The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► interoperable Titus number two [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► august 2010 [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► so one of the premises of doing comics [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► on this podcast is not to talk about the [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► minutiae of the continuity happening [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► with single issues being released this [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► week in the comic book stores and to [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► have to take it back level talk about [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► things on the level of stuff that's [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► largely available and trade paperback or [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► hardcover so you can get in your comic [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► store or your local bookstore or on [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► amazon or a readers as you to both have [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► done yes we have iPads here right with [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► our topic here so one of us did it [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► legally and the what other one [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► maybe not as much right yeah it's a [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► shame well i think that that you stole [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► that book [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► Lisa anyone happy i'm jason l and i am [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► here with just to make it extra [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► confusing jason reitman hello and Lisa [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► Schmeisser hi there and we're here to [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► talk comics it's funny that I'm in the [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► room with people who probably do visit [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► comic stores regularly i am a fraud and [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► and do not i am a trade paperback kind [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► of person or a digital download kind of [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► person but i like the idea of doing a [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► comic book club and and picking comic [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► that is available readily in bookstores [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► and then talking about animal i'm sure [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► go off on some tangent our topic this [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► week is the unwritten which is from [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► vertigo by mike perry and peanut grown i [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► carry and Peter grass [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► mhm this was lisa selection in the comic [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► book club i believe yes very good [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► selection [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► thank you Mike carries name sounds [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► vaguely familiar but I know nothing [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► about this comic and went into it with [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► no expectations whatsoever beyond the [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► sort of one sentence line that you used [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► to describe it [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► lisa said you want to explain to people [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► what what this story is about sure i'll [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► start with my kerry and Peter groans [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► both of whom have been in the vertigo [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► stable for quite a while they worked [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► together previously on Lucifer series of [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► comic books [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► Lucifer series was a spinoff from the [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► Sandman books so these guys have the [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► lineage that goes back to like the [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► nineties to be getting vertigo [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► yeah exactly so and vertigo is ready [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► Amir and yeah [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► and is that a creator-owned or is that a [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► that's DC own which is why the Sandman [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► was in there buddy it's it's so it's [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► their adult line is that the best way to [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► describe it over there almost every [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► trader fiction they're not in tights and [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► flights line for lack of a better word [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► their stories tend to focus on the [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► supernatural or on Norrish elements or [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► on narratives that are not necessarily [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► something and find in mainstream [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► publishers like DC Marvel image to get [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► examples of their current line the book [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► Northlanders the author of whom eludes [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► me but is basically writing stories [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► about Vikings and another is you guys an [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► alternate universe somewhere Viking [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► comments like a mainstream and [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► superheroes are like insanely readers [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► can watch me that will come up higher [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► and water rights but you know that [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► there's get by kings are big there yeah [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► and for is the only crossover hero there [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► yeah but another one of Vertigo's the [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► more critically beloved at the moment [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► scalped which is a book about Native [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► American FBI agent who has to go work [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► undercover on the deeply corrupt [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► reservation on which he was raised [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► so again on titan on flight for a while [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► they were really into face supernatural [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► stuff and they've moved away from that [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► thank God but the unwritten actions [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► right back into it more or less because [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► the entire book is about the power of [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► stories to shape people's perceptions of [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► reality or even to create reality [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► depending on who has power over the [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► story and what kind of authority the [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► audience gives them that was I thought [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► the theme of this whole first book [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► pointing out that Tommy Taylor that you [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► know hate stories can be truth truth can [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► be sorry so the concept here is that [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► this is guy named Tommy Taylor Thomas [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► Taylor and his father was a novelist and [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► he wrote a series of books that are [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► suspiciously similar to harry potter [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► books they are impacting to the point [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► where it's actually hilarious because [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► they're there's instead of having a [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► lightning scar on his forehead he's got [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► a tattoo on the back of his hand the [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► writing style is uncannily rolling like [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► with the adverbial explosions right and [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► harry potter was actually sort of [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► similar to the books of magic [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► Tim Hunter would you also a vertigo [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► title interested in your gross worked on [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► the Tim Hunter books of magic all the [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► way through the run of the series so [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► it's all kind of come back around yeah [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► there's a lot of self-referential things [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► how many even mentioned the the books of [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► magic in the first issue of the [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► unwritten [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► when they're talking about harry potter [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► and the similarities of all three of [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► them i'm amused by the fact that it's [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► it's tommy taylor and his two sidekicks [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► said the girl and the boy and it's it's [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► a very round remaining kind of thing and [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► then one of the issues opens amusingly [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► there's a writer's retreat at the house [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► where it's not really a fan and and one [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► of the writers has written this [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► fanfiction we're essentially all these [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► lovable kid characters disemboweled and [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► and so at you you think you're watching [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► another example from the book including [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► the pros passages and everything in it [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► and it turns out that it's this horrible [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► kind of what if we killed them all kind [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► of thing which which place with yet [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► another theme of this comic which is [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► it's all about creation and and [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► creativity and creation of fictional [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► ideas and how in the in the premise of [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► the comic they clash with reality [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► because this is Tom Taylor isn't Tommy [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► Taylor but everybody assumes he is and [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► then there's this spin on it which is [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► that you start to wonder if perhaps he [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► is and that this might have been based [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► or unreality or the book created the [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► reality more created him or it's [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► fascinating and with the only the first [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► trade which is five issues there's no [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► answer and if you'd read the second [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► trailer I guess you've got an answer but [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► I haven't the second trade can not only [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► this wednesday so our time we should [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► vary time yeah not available digitally [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► yes you're downloading something that's [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► pirated because it's almost like a [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► detective story in that you have the [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► first four episodes which introduced you [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► to Tommy and the dilemma and the themes [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► that will reverberate throughout the [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► entire series and then you've got the [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► story of record kipling and his [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► encounter with the same people and how [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► it turned out for him in that last one [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► with Kipling it kind of restated the [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► themes but not much more obvious in case [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► you didn't get it from the first four [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► issues [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► here's what we're really talking about [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► it was like a fill-in issue because it's [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► a standalone thing but yet it was also [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► that lets minded back now that you've [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► been dropped in the middle of the story [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► and wanted back and show you that this [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► has been going on for some time because [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► even read kipling and Mark Twain once [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► wrote by these demonic evil strange [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► people who get it from this power felt [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► very classic vertigo in that way and [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► very much to like those earlier stories [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► in The Sandman and things where every [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► now and then there would be an issue or [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► a chapter that sort of stepped back from [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► the ongoing narrative [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► kind of reiterate themes of the [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► narrative because they worked with [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► Shakespeare into the original Sandman [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► series as one of the fictional people [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► what I was going to say is one of the [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► things I found interesting was how you [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► had the British writer who made his deal [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► with the devil is that were and the [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► American writer who saw right through it [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► shortly before the sinister overload [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► stable you know America's what's going [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► on and I was actually wondering if this [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► was kind of these American writers way [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► of thumbing their nose at vertigo or [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► thumbing their nose that their forebears [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► because vertigo had that long tradition [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► of they've got a lot of British writers [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► in their stable and these British [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► writers have been great about plundering [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► classic literature classic comics and [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► these are American writers saying you [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► know what we can do the same thing but [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► we're gonna do it on our terms and we [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► would like to take you along for the [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► ride and see how it turns out my carries [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► American it was I just assumed he was [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► british she's working for vertigo now [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► actually i just read his bio this [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► morning and I believe he and Peter [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► grocer both American one of them was [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► from response and I think so [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► which is never know game in this now [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► though you didn't Minnesota high kick [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► some horrible and Midwestern a British [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► pipeline back and forth where they just [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► keep importing this right Ellen full but [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► i think i've had made notes early on in [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► the series how my carrier was born in [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► Liverpool England there goes my re or [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► just read exercises vertical lives in [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► London yeah is all about those on there [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► goes my theory because I honestly [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► thought they're making a statement about [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► the way Americans tend to see their [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► stories as opposed to the British [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► tradition of of storytelling legend [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► where when you think about the British [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► have this tradition of King Arthur that [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► goes back thousands of years and has [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► been polished and and modified through [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► different historic cycles it certainly [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► is fascinating because this story set in [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► London initially and then and then we [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► moved to the mainland Europe bi and the [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► characters are and references are [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► largely for british authors and then so [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► in this fifth issue the the last part of [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► the trade paperback vol.1 when Mark [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► Twain appears and there's this you know [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► seen in the US where Kipling comes to [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► meet Mark Twain it is kind of in an [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► interesting question of what it what are [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► you trying to say here and because he [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► did sort of see through it and was able [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► to create this work and so one of the [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► questions in this series is [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► it is the series saying that creativity [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► is essentially a magical power that is [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► enabled by this in in the series case [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► this this source or is it not [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► and is it is it subvert it in some way [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► but it does exist otherwise because Mark [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► Twain and told them to to hit the bricks [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► yeah and Mark Twain is Mark Twain right [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► well i don't think your theory is [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► actually wrong even though it's actually [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► just maybe we just move my carrier rise [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► to see but it actually was nothing more [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► to a sort of classic British perception [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► of not just American writers but the [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► American person you know sort of that [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► like wisdom in the simple people [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► approaching well of course mark twain [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► wouldn't fall for this because he's so [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► of the earth and folksy that he would [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► see right through all of this [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► manipulation and of the shadowy [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► organization and where the Brits of [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► course would fall right into it because [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► they're all about there might also be [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► some this might also be above the theme [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► that later ties into the whole [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► fictitious geography because at the end [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► of the trade they they do have an [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► excerpt from Wilson Taylor's map where [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► he puts in pins right so Tommy Tommy's [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► father the one thing that Tommy ever [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► really did the bond with his father the [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► writer was that his father taught him [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► the geographic locations where things [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► that were fictional happened yes and [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► which seemed to be important not [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► important at the time but seems to be [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► very important to becoming more [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► important now especially since it when [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► he breaks into the safe it's remember [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► what I taught you [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► right right so so so it's very much this [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► question of like what it what is how [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► does fiction and meet reality and does [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► it does it is there a sense of place [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► rightly yeah and it's actually one of [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► the parts of the book i liked the most [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► as I've always been somewhat interested [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► in where fictional things happen in real [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► life in growing up in New England and [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► going to the Hawthorne is House of the [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► Seven Gables and in New York City always [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► be in some random bar and be a little [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► plaque that the gift of the magi was [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► written here [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► yeah I always wanted to go down to [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► Greenwich Village and see where dr. [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► Strange's house isn't right [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► yeah because it's a real address and [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► there's nothing there and of course [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► that's part of the joke is that people [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► who don't know him he's hidden his [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► sanctum sanctorum behind 7-eleven or [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► whatever [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► is that right there it in the the soil [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► literary gps so I think they really [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► haven't but it is also interesting in [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► that the book is talking about where [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► fiction and reality meet and these [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► locations are at last sort of physical [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► place of where these things eat this is [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► real and the unreal so who is this guy [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► who is this antagonist this bearded guy [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► with a scythe who kills everybody [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► sorry to spoil alert because everybody [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► and everybody in this house except for [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► Tommy Taylor you know do what we know [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► about this guy is he he's a [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► representative of some force that has [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► been around and that is steering writers [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► to write about certain families why he [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► killed Kipling's daughter spoiler rayon [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► we also know that he lost his hand [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► courtesy of wilson because they [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► mentioned that let's take his other hand [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► yeah they mentioned that in the book and [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► the hand is imbued with some sort of [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► magical power because when Tommy goes to [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► visit Wilson's former mistress after she [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► delivers the message that this literary [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► cabal tells her to it turns out that she [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► also tried to slip in a little something [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► for Tommy and he threatened her with the [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► hands you've seen this hand you know [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► what it can do [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► right right and he does suggest at one [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► point that he's the devil although it [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► was actually discussed this with that [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► line [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► great I'm Lucifer the bringer of light [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► says the siam whose lighting his [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► cigarette and he says you might have [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► been off by a few feet on that one right [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► also interesting in the metal thing from [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► the fact that might carry the most [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► popular vertigo book was Lucifer the [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► Lightbringer yes [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► see I all of these references completely [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► lost on me did this is why I rely on you [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► guys but there's also there's so much [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► about this book that is I don't know [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► self-referential the right term it's not [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► a really rich family background is the [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► way I thought of it where I just you can [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► really tell that its forebears are in [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► Tim Hunter because I got to be honest I [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► was thinking of Tim Hunter a lot more [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► reading this book especially through the [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► London sequences and that 200 is Tim [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► Hunter is a boy wizard [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► oh this is in his various harry potter [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► before harry potter was around yeah and [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► that was part of another it's another [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► version another version ok and the way [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► he was originally introduced neil gaiman [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► wrote the original I think four-part [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► miniseries with him right with a [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► different artist was a painting prestige [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► thing is beautiful one of my first I and [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► looks like that i read and really got [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► into [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► and over the course of that book tim [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► runs into John Constantine and I think [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► dr. strange at one point [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► What's Wrong universal on you Adam [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► street and you know he wasn't ready to [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► all the DC mystical characters it was a [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► swamp thing you know that something [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► wasn't it was a mr. e Phantom Stranger [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► very classic 16 so DC literally i will [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► call it John Constantine the hellblazer [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► and this was just before the vertical [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► launch or maybe soon before the vertical [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► launch we're talking like 1991 so it's [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► sort of the equivalent of what would [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► have been vertigo if it had been [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► invented yet [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► yeah alright the same way that Eleanor [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► swamp thing is widely considered to be [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► vertical before alright was invented yet [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► that's a good rule of thumb and then [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► what they did with Tim Hunter is they [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► did books of magic which was 75 issue [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► serious which actually have the flimsies [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► and then after that they did names of [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► magic which was a 25 issue series [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► because people were not buying it but [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► one of the themes and names of magic [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► comes down to the power of words to set [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► the foundation for reality and one of [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► the villainous forces they have to [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► defeat is this this want to converse [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► creature that brings out of the book and [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► the only way it is stated and ultimately [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► defeated is when somebody says the right [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► word [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► so so Tim Hunter has always been a [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► little bit about that what is real what [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► is not real [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► what words have the power to shape not [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► to shape and these guys work on Tim [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► Hunter and they went to Lucifer which [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► also this really heavy metal article [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► background what you just said about the [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► writing this stuff is what's shaping [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► reality in the fourth issue that's [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► exactly what happened when you had that [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► bad literary gathering of more writers [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► yeah you know in the the house that [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► Frankenstein was written in discussing [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► horror and then the book becomes a [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► horror genre command yeah dad Joshua or [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► oh yeah kill our one-at-a-time a dark [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► house in the middle of a storm yeah and [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► that reminded me of the movie adaptation [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► yeah which had that same sort of the [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► movie is talking about we don't want to [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► become this thing that's going to be all [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► shoot-'em-up are chasing and then the [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► movie becomes yes [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► not that it's not my favorite movie [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► I I actually think it's it i think the [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► clever thing was that that was what they [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► were trying to do and in the end they [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► succeeded in making a bad movie about [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► making a bad movie right because it [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► wasn't it didn't seem ironic enough it [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► just seemed bad i like it on a metal of [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► but I like well that and that's one of [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► the things that really struck me about [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► the unwritten is it for me it was [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► actually very hard to get into the story [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► of the actual events of the unwritten [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► because i was so pulled out and viewing [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► it on that metal level of this is a [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► story about telling stories and about [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► the effect of storytelling i love that [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► stuff that is some of my favorite kind [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► of work in general i love love analyzing [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► works of fiction and discovering that [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► they're talking about themselves that [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► this is my topic for another podcast but [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► my favorite thing about the finale of [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► lost [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► no spoilers here other than to say that [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► I felt like it was I liked it many [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► people hated it [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► that's one of things I like best about [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► it was I felt like it was actually [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► talking about itself was talking about [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► what happens when you're at the end of a [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► story and the last episode of a TV show [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► and you want to say goodbye to everybody [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► because you know you're not going to see [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► them ever again and that it was very [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► self-aware and I know that doesn't work [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► for some people but I i got that same [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► kind of vibe from the unwritten that [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► without to the point where i was almost [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► lost on some of those people are getting [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► murdered in the house where where Mary [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► Shelley read frankenstein because i was [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► kinda more engaged in in the mystery of [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► this intertextual ality of like is it [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► real and how does it affect it and what [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► does it all mean and and I you know I [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► don't know if that that happen for you [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► guys but I didn't I was I was more [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► focused on that I was on the fact that [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► their characters and who are they and [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► that they're being murdered horribly [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► because they're just fictional [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► characters and then boom which of course [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► they all are right and that's the the [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► interesting thing in that I sort of look [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► at that the whole slasher part is sort [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► of a backdrop like uslike against the [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► bigger issues after the fact that [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► establishes the villain right now he's [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► actually really bad [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► I'm engines also really cathartic for [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► people who really hates genre [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► classification because they make a point [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► in earlier issue of having his people [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► identified by the genres that they write [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► and there's that one really annoying [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► person who's got oh I read a sexy [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► vampire detective and another guy's like [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► 'oh i take care of HP Lovecraft and one [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► guys like I do torture porn and they had [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► unabashedly embraced their market niches [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► her and then all of them just get killed [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► brutally right and I wonder if it comes [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► down to the creator's saying something [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► along the lines of look you know the [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► genre can make you but it can also kill [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► you or look we don't think that John was [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► a good idea this is so cathartic being [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► able to kill them and I think there's [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► something there about following your [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► creative Muse vs selling out [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► that's part of the story because in many [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► ways you could view those people as [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► being sell out there they're writing for [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► an audience in a market and they become [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► successful at it and then if you flip to [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► the the last chapter 15 issue with [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► kipling and Twain I mean that's [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► basically what the story is there is the [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► Kipling sort of sold-out and it made him [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► famous by selling out so it's like are [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► is it like a deal with the devil where [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► you become famous because you sold out [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► or is that just unusual cost effect the [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► sellouts the ones who become famous [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► because that's why they become famous as [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► they've sold out and Twain is not a [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► sellout and just sent them away that [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► it's it's really interesting it's like [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► that two levels are these writers [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► selling out and is that what this is [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► about is not being true to yourself are [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► all the right ourselves and how does the [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► wild fit into that because we're the [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► mysterious character whose name is [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► escaping me at the moment the blond guy [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► with the beard [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► hi when Kipling is worried about Wilder [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► that's wild that's why i asked a wild [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► and he says while doesn't actually have [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► you know staying power it's a piece of [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► the moment but my friends and I we don't [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► like him at all right which is [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► interesting because what is that what [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► does he want his trigger is true to [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► himself or he's true to himself and [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► writing things that they specifically [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► don't want cause Kipling says point2 [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► wild was that he was granted a lot of [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► his lines are very facile and flip but [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► his whole body of work is devoted to [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► pointing out hypocrisy and and telling [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► people that they need to learn to see [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► things as they truly are not as the [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► polite social delusions that are easier [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► for everybody else to swallow and there [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► is definitely a sense of this in a story [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► that this isn't just about you know [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► getting writers on the payroll it's [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► about steering but the reality or [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► theories reception of the time yeah in a [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► certain direction whatever that [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► direction might be that's interesting so [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► the idea of stories set the culture is [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► very interesting and very true if you [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► look at all the early science fiction [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► work in jewels for [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► turned in all these that the writers [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► envisioned all these things before the [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► scientists when I can make that [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► yeah wired once did this futures issue [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► is back in 1995 the reason I remember [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► this is because i actually ended up [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► writing a paper on in grad school where [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► they were interviewing futurologists or [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► whatever and the one thing that came out [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► of all the interviews was if you want to [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► find out where technology is going to be [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► in 25 years [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► read the science fiction it's happening [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► now because the kids who grew up reading [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► this stuff are then going to take into [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► their working lives right that's the [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► story about the motorola startac phone [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► which is not only named specifically to [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► reference star track but was designed by [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► a bunch of people who grew up with Star [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► Trek and wanted to flip out communicator [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► like Captain Kirk at and so they built [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► it to go back to the idea that story [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► shape the narrative of the time or [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► reflect them there's the page where you [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► see the news portal with the the google [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► search interface and the amplified news [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► network and the internet people talking [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► at once there's a forum thread is the [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► first time i think i've seen a forum [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► thread and a comic book one of the [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► people's names his bunk Moreland who is [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► a character on the wire [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► haha and the reason that stood out for [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► me is because I have totally missed that [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► I've been lucky enough to sit on another [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► academic panels were people have talked [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► about how the wire is essentially one of [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► the first examples of long-form [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► fictional reportage where as a TV series [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► it's deeply rooted in observation [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► reporting and then all of that this fax [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► got mashed into a fictional outline and [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► spit back out to people where once they [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► saw that they could then begin to see [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► how this is playing out in real life [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► there's already that fiction vs [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► nonfiction loop in the wire and then [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► there's a slight little reference to [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► riot read in the forum thing because you [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► got a to anyone standing man yeah [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► bunk Moreland and how Punk having you be [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► getting drunk with delta delta yes [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► yeah and I just you know again again you [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► could argue that the wire actually does [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► blur that line as well because i'm sure [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► there are people in Baltimore who would [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► love to tell you that look you know you [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► may have seen five seasons of this TV [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► show but this is what our it really is [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► like and I'm sure there are people [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► across the country who have this [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► impression of Baltimore based entirely [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► on five seasons of the wire right and [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► maybe some [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► some homicide in the corner but it's all [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► based on David Simon basically writing [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► about Baltimore David Simon's created a [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► fictitious Baltimore basically which is [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► based on real-life reporting see where [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► it gets all right right that's well [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► that's interesting because there and it [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► is it is fiction based on reality yeah [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► and that is one of the core questions [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► and the unwritten is is Tommy Taylor a [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► fraud who was adopted for stolen from [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► Eastern European parents or any real and [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► is he the real Tommy Taylor or is he [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► just a kid who had not none of that he [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► wasn't created by the story of existence [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► can be seen as right name with the [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► unwritten and what and what does that [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► what does the name of this comic mean [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► with all those people who get unwritten [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► who there are dissolved into words in [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► the book which I sort of like very [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► visually was it was really compelling [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► because we're talking a lot about this [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► on the sort of the meta-level and I [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► don't think you can actually talk about [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► it or not it isn't a successful story [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► like this something that you can enjoy [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► on the meta-level and get all those sort [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► of references but also on it on just [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► that reading it as a simple story and [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► does this work as a simple story i was [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► going to say i would love to find out [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► the impression of somebody who wasn't [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► familiar with vertigo [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► well that's me or fantasy and so Jason [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► yes what is your profession [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► well as I alluded to earlier I i did [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► have a difficult time really getting [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► into it on that simple story level [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► because i kept thinking about wow this [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► is this is playing on a lot of levels [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► here because it's a it's a story about [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► stories and you know and it wants you to [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► view it that way because every issue [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► begins in a story and then pulls you out [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► of the story into reality [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► so it was obviously i don't i'm not [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► going to get any other references to [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► other not only other works but also just [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► I don't know that the history of of the [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► the kind of things that vertigo produces [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► where you look at a vertigo thing and [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► say oh it's a vertical thing I got that [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► i think i've read i'm up to like the [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► fifth issue of The Sandman I'm like [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► completely a litter about that sort of [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► thing here that neil gaiman is good dump [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► he's gonna go place is he's coming out [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► yeah that's right i wonder what novel by [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► him would be like for a screenplay for [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► at episode of Doctor Who anyway we'll [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► find out [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► that kid is going places so so that was [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► my challenges like the characters are [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► our i'm not entirely sure what they are [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► and if they're kind of blanks [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► I mean Tommy Taylor is in many ways in [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► this first set of stories he's really [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► been frustrating character he's he's [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► he's a kind of grumpy guy who made who [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► is unsure about his past and he's trying [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► to repel against it and say no no I'm [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► not that kid but I think there's also [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► this great question there that has to be [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► there for the story but as a result of a [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► little off-putting and there's the the [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► one other character who's the woman [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► whose name escapes me hexham [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► yeah-hoo-hoo comes in and seems to know [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► what's going on and is trying to to help [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► him along the way she herself her name [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► is like character from a fictitious [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► right work right and there's a clear and [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► it seems it seems like she may actually [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► be a fictional creation come to life [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► although again we've seen there are a [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► couple characters early on where there's [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► a guy who supposedly as the the [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► Voldemort essentially of of the of the [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► Tommy Taylor books come to life and it [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► turns out that you have Jeff keen on the [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► first page but it turns out that the [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► voltage or whatever his name my mouth [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► something out Earl folio the vampire [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► ambrosio camp at contemporary oh he's a [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► he's a he's a drifter who just risky [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► they said at least so they say right [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► which gets us back to that but again so [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► much going on and rich in that level but [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► i would have to if if I'm answering your [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► question truthfully i have to say that i [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► was i was actually maybe two engaged too [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► soon on that upper level and not able to [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► invest enough and the characters and I [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► I'd almost rather have seen hard to do [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► this especially if you're coming out [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► with sequential issues you know 22 pages [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► at a time really hard to do this but I [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► almost like to see think i was reading [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► the story of a guy who's burdened by the [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► his father's work for longer and really [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► feel like you know I've connected with [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► that guy before you pull the rug out [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► from under me and I felt like the rug [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► was never under me I i fell in the first [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► issue I did feel some of that connection [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► but i wonder if it was them using some [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► shorthand in the sense that it it starts [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► in a comic book convention which I'm [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► intimately familiar with comic books [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► entrants into one of those now and as a [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► past month this one yeah yeah [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► comic-con 2010 is the first comic book [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► convention that she went big [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► yeah well we go big or go home exactly [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► then I went home the fact that it starts [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► at a comic convention with a guy who's [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► been he is there to make money off of [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► not even something he did years ago but [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► something his father did and named after [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► years ago and named after him [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► mhm you know being kind of embittered by [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► it being you know that he's defined by [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► this character but the same time they're [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► exploiting at making money because he [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► has no other way to do it if you go to [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► any moderately sized comic convention [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► you'll see those people from the [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► seventies sci-fi TV shows i took a [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► picture of guilt girardin Erin gray [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► signing things culture our hair and [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► wearing a pair of shorts signing Buck [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► Rogers memorabilia on the first page [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► they have them sitting next to somebody [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► who's name is Jareth calendar and [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► calendar basically calls out the [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► creator's intense with always thought [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► your Christopher Robin and Tommy replies [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► back looks like you've stopped the [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► circle of your immediate family and it's [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► pretty obvious that it's meant to be a [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► slam on Family Circle and Bill and Jeff [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► quinoa I did I didn't see a an article [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► somewhere where I think my kerry said [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► that the model for this story was [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► Christopher Robin and that the idea that [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► a million wrote these wildly successful [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► winnie-the-pooh books with Christopher [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► Robin at the center and that was his son [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► and yeah but in his attempt to director [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► eclipsed the Sun to the point where all [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► the people wanted to talk about was oh [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► you're Christopher Robin from the books [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► and the answer is No [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► yeah I'm the one from the real world and [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► it's it's a really interesting idea and [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► you're right you know they spend a lot [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► of the first issue I guess maybe what [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► did it for me is that by dropping you [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► into the Tommy Taylor books immediately [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► I I like immediately I'm like all right [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► we're going to juxtapose the books with [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► the reality of this guy i don't know [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► it's an interesting story but I guess I [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► was more engaged on that the meta-level [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► then I was on the actual level i would [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► love to know if the villain pull [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► Minister supposed to be named after [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► Philip Pullman in any way [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► wow that's a nice reference to get all [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► these different things and in pullman is [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► is such a distinct fantasy writer and [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► many of his conventions are both i would [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► say what he did in the golden compass [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► so different from any fiction [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► conventions we're all good news will [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► around you BTW guys can save the [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► universe but a horrible personal cost to [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► you and it's exactly the opposite of the [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► way a lot of fiction works that were [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► somehow magically works everybody so [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► before we move on from talking about the [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► unwritten night I want to ask a similar [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► question here which is did you like it [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► and would you keep reading it [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► yes and yes wow that's like no I do have [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► elaborate theories that I do have some [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► trepidation and this may be more my [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► experiences as a longtime comic book [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► reader and less a reflection on this [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► book but unless they have a way to [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► resolve this and then find a way to [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► continue the underlying bedrock themes I [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► worry that this book will turn into [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► something else after about 50 issues [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► because you can really only drag out the [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► central mystery who are these people why [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► are they trying to shape reality where [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► did Wilson go once you once you answer [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► those questions you have to have [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► invented a new set of questions into the [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► first quest that's a lot of quests into [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► the first quest or you have to kind of [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► hit a reboot button and summary boots [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► are are are good and others [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► wait what about us yes that's true with [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► any and kind of comic series especially [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► or any long-running series we're at some [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► point you you either need to shut it [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► down or that's actually the things I [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► like best about salmon as they shut it [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► down after 75 issues there was a story [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► he told it he was done but vertigo is [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► actually pretty good as an imprint about [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► doing that with the exception of swamp [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► thing and help laser you allow stories [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► to sort of run their course and then end [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► yeah so and I think you're actually [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► seeing that in comics a lot more often [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► and x mac is ending with issue 50 [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► planetary ended issue whatever 27-1 [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► right only took like five years to do [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► know if he started planting like 1999 oh [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► my god it was fantastic we should talk [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► about planetary sometime that Alright [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► yeah that haven't realized some serious [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► you've got it would be a bit you're [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► skipping skipping ahead now because I'm [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► gonna ask you what you're reading now [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► and what should you read because that's [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► going to be one of the recurring themes [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► on this yeah [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► excellently named podcast whatever it's [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► named just i saya i was surprised that I [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► like this it's been a long time since [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► i've read a vertigo book for many years [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► and so I i did enjoy this and [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► I'm intrigued enough about some of the [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► mystery that will keep reading it I [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► think they set up a lot of questions the [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► way to sort of cliffhanger it ends on is [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► the flying cat it's quite painful that [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► they end on a cliffhanger and do the [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► thing that I like the least [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► although again intentionally frustrating [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► in comics which is you end on a [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► cliffhanger and then you do a standalone [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► issue that's not related to anything [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► with the company for gotta build that [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► tension guy finally it's here it so it [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► doesn't answer any of those questions [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► and this is why trades i think of more [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► satisfying sometimes is because they're [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► published so far after flimsies that if [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► you really want to find out what [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► happened to you you can go and then do [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► so so does there's probably an entire [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► podcast here but just the short version [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► of trade paperback versus the little you [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► know flimsies as we as we seem to have [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► have started calling them you know where [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► do you where do you come down on on that [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► leaving digital aside for a minute just [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► the trade trades versus the flames I've [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► obviously I i attempted to reconnect to [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► the flimsy you know individual issues [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► and fail then went back to two trades [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► and hardcovers just because the [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► individual tracking and I was trained [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► not to throw them out or recycle them [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► which means you gotta save them away [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► unlike every other periodicals yet [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► higher garage is now taken over with my [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► flimsies collection which is why switch [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► to trade so you you switched and aren't [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► buying individual issues anymore [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► the only exception might be ex machina [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► because I've been following that since [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► issue 1 and you want to ride it to the [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► end [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► yeah because that's what I do with what [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► that's what i do y the last man or if [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► it's a limited brunch series that I [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► suspect won't make it into trade [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► all right i'll do that for example [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► vertigo had a series called the witching [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► that I enjoyed that you'll never see [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► internet was a tennis shoe run it didn't [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► do well at all and disappeared i'm glad [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► i have this because I can pull those out [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► there's one or two series i'll still buy [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► flimsies mainly just to support the [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► series because i don't think it's that [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► popular or big but then I had switch [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► entirely trades and now I'm kind of [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► dropping trades in favor of more omnibus [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► collections in the Attic offers as Biggs [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► hundred-dollar tire collection and [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► because now it you're reading a floppy [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► takes like two minutes and it sort of [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► very disposable but now even a lot of [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► trades there are five issues of these [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► two minutes floppies so in trade is like [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► 15 minutes of reading a lot of times [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► which that's not enough for me anymore [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► it takes me longer to bagged and boarded [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► flames and it does to actually be [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► absolute collections tend to be 24 plus [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► issues and to me that's a good [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► experience and you're getting more [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► complete story it as a part of that [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► experience are you [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► yeah I have some in some things I picked [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► up and trade because i have made sure i [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► wanted to commit to them and then i end [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► up with them in trading I'm like I wish [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► I just like invincible actually you [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► bought me the first two traits of [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► invincible and they're great and I [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► actually wish that I had a big hard [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► cover on the buses of those and i may go [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► back and do that because i am that's [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► another topic for another show i suppose [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► but I love love love Robert Kirkman's [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► invincible to the point where i should [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► have you know just committed to the [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► hardcovers like i did with ultimate [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► spider-man right I just have a hard for [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► planetary i bought the I first absolute [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► collection and then I had to wait three [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► four years for the second look like a [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► little swing out yeah and to finish the [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► story but now I have to go back and [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► reread the first absolute so i can read [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► the whole thing at once but yeah that's [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► the problem with the bigger you get in [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► the collections the longer you have to [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► wait [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► writing collections right even on the [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► when I was doing the Marvel heart cut [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► our soft covers of ultimate spider-man [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► and waiting for the hardcover you to its [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► to trade weights so it's like a year [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► yeah yeah so to a yearly hardcover the [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► drops on your desk and like all right [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► which is not that different from you [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► know that the Harry Potter series or any [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► other kind of a novel series where you [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► wait a year or two kids like the [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► difference between when television shows [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► get broadcast on the air for the first [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► time versus the dvds right there shows [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► we're back to the wire [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► well I actually watch the wire as it was [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► on HBO [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► i'm watching about DVD and I actually [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► think that there's a substantial [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► difference between when you watch a show [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► and it airs every weekend have a week to [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► let it percolate your brain you think [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► about you invested his expectations into [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► it i just have to do that with a wire I [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► can't watch the wire like like now Andy [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► because now it can be but um okay here's [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► another example television what might be [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► one of my favorite junk series is the [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► tutors I just I just find that series [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► delightful it's hysterically funny [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► jonathan rhys-meyers place Henry the [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► answers and I [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► hinge lunatic rock god the history has [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► been tied up and left in a closet [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► somewhere i think if i had watched an [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► episode by episode on showtime I would [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► have been very frustrated because Oh [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► they've dropped this storyline and oh [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► this person was on this episode there [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► and you never see them again i download [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► entire seasons from itunes and just run [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► them when I'm working on something or if [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► I feel like watching two or three in a [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► row and it's a much different experience [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► and I feel sometimes that reading [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► single-issue comics compared to reading [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► the entire story arc through trade it's [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► the same thing where you can be really [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► disappointed by single issue where you [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► can be really late to buy a single issue [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► but when you see it in context in trades [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► it's it's a it's a different experience [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► in a different reaction when watch men [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► came out i read watchmen as it was [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► coming out and and actually stopped [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► reading comics after the last issue [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► because I felt like I I all it is put it [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► made everything else pale incompatible [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► done it this will never happen again two [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► years but what that experience was [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► really you know you would read issue 1 [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► and then a month later you would read [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► issue 1 an issue 2 and then a month [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► later you would read one two and three [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► and then you had enough time to read the [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► text in the back where there were these [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► detailed excerpts that would take you [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► longer to read the comic just these [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► three or four text pages and then by the [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► end you know there were two months [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► between issue 11 an issue 12 it had been [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► monthly up till that boy that was [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► painful and delayed a month and and what [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► a cliffhanger and again you know it then [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► it's read 1 through 11 so that when 12 [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► hits and that's a very different [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► experience to have all that time to [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► ponder vs vs not i think that's why I [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► was so disappointed with how J michael [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► Straczynski is rising stars ended its [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► because i had to wait a billion years [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► for for the final issue and then once it [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► was done I was this is at so i waited [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► for this I felt that way about the Star [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► Wars trilogy the second one [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► oh my god that's right i want to have my [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► life for three more star wars movies and [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► this is what I get haha yeah yeah you're [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► right i mean rising stars what I think [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► if you'd read all all of those as I'm [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► unit and is angry my heart away with [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► disappointing [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► yeah yeah cuz i read i read vol.3 in [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► after reading vol.12 much earlier in [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► trade paperback I I like vol.3 came out [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► my reaction was ok i see what he was [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► doing there I wasn't quite as enraged as [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► you but I do [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► think that it's about expectations about [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► waiting and he held up and if it's build [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► up for nothing then I did feel in the [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► unwritten that the issues were pretty [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► dense yes yes yes going like it's only [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► 22 pages I know which i haven't had that [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► experience in a comic in a long time [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► since they're so decompressed now and if [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► you read them digitally it's just like a [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► conversation on the previous podcast [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► about reading in the end an e-reader you [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► don't even know how far into it you are [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► yeah and and you realize what this is [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► page 15 you know you tap and see that [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► it's page fifteen to twenty i almost [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► think that our meeting this week's [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► reading this comic monthly would work [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► yeah but it's so it's a good so you have [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► so much to chillin right and you have a [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► good a good enough experience in reading [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► the single issue that you don't feel [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► like you're wasting your money or that [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► you need the second one right away your [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► own you're not getting necessarily a [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► complete story but you're getting enough [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► of a story that satisfied she wanted [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► yeah it feels is actually really [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► satisfying an issue by issue basis [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► because even after you finish the story [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► you go back and you take a look at the [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► side panel artwork and the themes that [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► they've introduced and you get what [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► they're doing visually on top of [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► narrative Lee it's it's it's delightful [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► that by ok let's move on to what are you [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► reading right now i thought i would ask [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► each of you you don't have to go into a [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► lot of detail if you don't want to but [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► even in the realm of comics you know [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► what's got your attention these days [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► well the I don't need to stump you [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► rather than going on written it's what [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► we've been reading yet on the trade side [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► everything i'm getting his old material [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► and really enjoy that out Sandman [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► mystery theater which is the [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► nineteen-thirties New York City Sandman [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► in the gas mask pulp stories written by [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► matt wagner mostly illustrated by guy [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► davis beautiful work there we could do a [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► podcast about that and maybe we will [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► send a series of trades that i've been [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► reading issue wise i enjoy agents of [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► atlas from marvel comics which is a [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► crazy sort of the brat pack of superhero [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► books it's it's taken from a what-if [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► story from like for the rat past six not [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► Brad pack the red right [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► pat was not it was gonna be so washy [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► right mom and dad back ere I thanks the [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► best friend Sammy Andy and itself is [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► essentially this a talking gorilla Man U [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► Iranian spaceman a Venus goddess a [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► murderer woman and a nineteen fifties [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► FBI agent jimmy wu yep guys forming a [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► team it's pretty fantastic written by [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► Jeff Parker yeah really good i read the [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► miniseries of that on your [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► recommendation and really really good [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► and funny and and is you know it's a [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► actually an interesting because that is [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► one of those rare cases where you've got [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► a publisher owned scenario that that [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► feels a lot more like it was a [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► creator-owned book because there's so [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► much creativity that goes into the [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► building of that from from some old [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► characters that would they found laying [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► around in the Marvel and intellectual [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► property in right yeah characters that [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► were in like an eight-page backup story [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► in a from a comic in the sixties ya and [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► bring them into the modern-day quite [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► literally bring them into the modern day [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► followed him out and put them down in [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► today and put them in charge of a little [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► organization but syndicate yeah [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► exit guys in charge of criminal criminal [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► syndicate understand Francisco yes nice [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► could be right here right now I love [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► reading comics in San Francisco just for [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► that reason because i love seeing how [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► what landmarks they get or what ones [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► they create I keep meaning to read those [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► x-men issues we have moved to San I know [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► yes in the Tana lived in San Francisco [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► for a while so it was someone when she [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► was doing that because in seven soldiers [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► they explicitly referenced living in San [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► Francisco attending a superhero support [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► group in the east bay i was just telling [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► you about seven soldiers yeah we should [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► I've got all those if you want to bart [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► well you'll download the many ways going [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► to have got no no no I can't believe I [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► could borrow all the flames on a [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► wonderful NZ now i'm all the way if I [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► got to get back to you and a hardcover [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► so so what about you and Lisa what are [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► you reading right now [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► scalped real mention scale really love [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► scalped think Jason Aaron is a fantastic [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► writer it shows you characters that you [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► don't see a lot of the other stories [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► period so I'm enjoy an implicit snore [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► and I have a soft spot for nor I'm [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► catching up on invincible I just got the [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► last two trades i am thinking about [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► revisiting walking dead because [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► love walking dead i read through the [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► series run on my brother is an avid [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► collector and so I read through the [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► series run when I was visiting him last [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► Thanksgiving and I had horrible [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► nightmares for like three days straight [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► after finishing a cute little do that [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► for and so I there's part of me that's [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► like I don't want to do it again and [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► there's part of me that really wants to [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► go back and see what I missed when I was [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► busy cringing my way through the first [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► time because when i was really the first [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► time I just kept flipping the page to [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► see what happened and I would be like oh [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► this is horrible oh my god [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► but you like writing specifically [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► thinking obviously the first to the [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► first two hard covers are in my amazon I [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► i have read it and now the works too [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► hard covers are in my amazon shopping [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► cart i read both in the big hardcovers [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► so I sort of read walking dead every two [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► years when the new big hardcover comes [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► out but now we won't have to we can [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► watch it on AMC starting in november [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► kind of curious that's another reason I [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► want to reduce I want to be grounded and [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► as we're in the Canon before it comes [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► out on TV so i can be all pedantic and [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► picking not like it at all and i am [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► waiting for is turning over in his grave [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► right now I'm saying let me out [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► I'm Marvel from way back but i did get [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► into Gail Simone's running birds of prey [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► when she was that doing that in DC and [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► they recently revived the title and I'm [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► actually waiting for the trade to come [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► the first revived trade to come out a [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► few months when that happens on your [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► right around it [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► no it's galley brought it back at is [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► that just the recent recent reboot [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► reboot of like jun 2010 yeah that now [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► has the guys in it to the yeah yeah [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► yeahs be a jerk which i thought would [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► make an interesting [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► yeah salary could have a jerk in having [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► the book [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► sure well DC's always been really good [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► about that i mean they had garden and [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► the Green Lantern Corps booster gold [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► goes back mr. gold yeah i mean they've [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► always got somebody where you're just [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► like okay and and and Jason what are you [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► reading when I when I actually am [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► reading right now is I just finished [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► scott pilgrim vol 1 which did with a [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► movie coming out and I thought well okay [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► they would invest millions of dollars in [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► making a movie maybe I should read the [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► comic and so I i didn't i'm not sure i [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► liked it quite frankly here i'm going to [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► read it again i'm not a big fan of the [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► cart super cartoony black-and-white [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► comic genre and that's what that is and [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► and i would say that this story for you [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► that's not you know being married [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► with children Ryan sure it's making two [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► different i can remember around being [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► married although i can't remember you [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► know my gay roommate or anything like [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► that but it won't turn out [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► it is a you know I role model that's a [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► young adult you know but but it is it is [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► a different kind of vibe and it's [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► interesting and yeah it's probably not [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► for me but I curiosity ever read The [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► Runaways the Marvel well because that's [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► also again that's breaking up on right [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► Frank avon International Union and I was [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► gonna ask what your reaction to that was [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► when you read that i really like the [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► runaways actually am i I'm i enjoyed [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► both both volumes of the runaways [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► I i like that like the premise you know [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► it's it's a it's a lot of players are [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► evil like these premises keep it [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► floating around is invincible the whole [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► ideas is dat superman except it turns [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► out that he's evil and he goes away and [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► i have been reading your redeemable by [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► Mark weight which is about student and [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► going evil and killing everybody I want [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► to get into that she's very good very [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► good [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► the The Runaways or bryan cave on just [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► in general his stories are always he's [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► got such great concepts that you can sum [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► up in the one sentence yeah kids find [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► out their parents are evil they run away [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► or mayor gets infected with the alien [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► technology right in New York City runs [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► new right all the best-looking guy with [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► a monkey yeah exactly just great [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► concepts of the runways I felt started [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► off really strong and then after reboot [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► after reboot can be entered out a bit as [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► much as a joss whedon fans i am I [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► actually felt like they made a mistake [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► by trying to keep it as an ongoing and [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► not say you know again we've done 12 [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► issues in the story is over and we might [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► do another volume at some other point [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► and instead sort of said let's make it [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► like any other Marvel comic and just [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► keep on producing those issues take a [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► page from british television limited-run [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► yeah just make the run and then come [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► back if you want to come back with [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► another story of something to marvel I [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► think did fairly well with the ultimate [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► swear they did volume on its volume to [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► really hone and if I at least put itself [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► contains the blast radius of jeph loeb [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► writing ultimate vol.3 is you can or [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► because you just don't read it and [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► they're okay we should do a pot entire [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► podcast and Ultimate Universe sometimes [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► i would love I would have strong [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► opinions about that see the good thing [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► about this starting this podcast is that [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► we seem to emerge from the episodes with [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► more concepts for future episodes [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► not entered with righteous onto the [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► comic book club because I'm never gonna [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► go to a regular book club I don't want [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► to read Eat Pray Love and talk about it [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► out and talk about combat is that is one [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► yes that is why somebody somebody [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► suggested on Twitter today that a zombie [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► version of Eat Pray Love would be great [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► grimsby brains love right [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► um I'm sure someone is working on that [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► right now is I'm sure Neal game and [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► maybe working on that in fact that you [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► have the marble on the universe that [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► went on so my question not just for me [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► but for for all of us to share is a is a [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► what should I read which should be [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► reading do you have a suggestion for [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► something that we should read next or if [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► you want based on if you like if you if [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► you like let's read on written or just [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► think just what [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► well you could you can do whatever you [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► like there are no rules here but I'm [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► just you know him but what should we be [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► what we should be reading in the future [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► whether this is not a guarantee that [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► we'll talk about it here but the wiimote [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► books i think we should talk about the [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► future are the one out there x makina I [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► alright next Mac michael bloomberg gets [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► magical powers my lord of its pretty [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► much it you know because he's [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► conservative i'm going to lobby for [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► preacher if you've never read it [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► mm not having an affair well that could [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► be good [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► yeah well I yeah I i started reading it [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► back when it first then I tried the [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► trades every now and then yeah I've [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► never successfully been able to finish [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► it could be my yeah yeah well we can get [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► into a few my casa very exciting the [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► planetary yes [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► oh let me out various planetary for [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► geologists of the unknown you know [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► because that also gives us an [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► opportunity to talk about that [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► university created which ties into the [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► authority and storm watch as well notice [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► right yeah i recently read the authority [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► and I thought that was actually pretty [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► pretty good haha [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► have you heard of the 20th century yeah [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► consideration it's really good they [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► rebooted a few times it's gotten really [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► if you just read the market a large [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► stuff or the warren ellis right yeah [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► just those two are awesome in all it's [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► actually more impressive if you consider [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► when it was written in which was all [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► late nineties there's actually as [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► everything is like that authority got [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► under the skin of some writer so badly [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► just Superman issue devoted to debunking [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► it which is like I'm not gay [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► fuck you know this basically it was that [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► because you know one of the bedrock [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► premises of the authorities look we're [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► gonna we're gonna take responsibility [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► and do things that you people will shy [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► away from doing and there is an [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► authority like cabal that runs while the [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► DC Universe for a couple of episodes and [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► Superman take some medicine and it was [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► no way we have an obligation to high [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► standards not that rebooted the rebooted [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► Justice League Justice William unlimited [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► or grin explores and where the the [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► aliens come from another planet and they [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► basically say we're superheroes and [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► we're going to take over and make the [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► world a better place in the JLA is like [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► what the hell [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► there's like a Justice League extreme or [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► justice league dark I can't remember the [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► name of the title i have it i'll have to [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► check my archive Scott that sounds so [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► pretentious have to check but yes it had [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► like the Ark of Noah had flashlights to [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► different rooms like a black uniform who [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► were working with this team and then the [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► regular uniform have the regular Justice [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► League and it was just insane i know i [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► can t really good i don't think i can [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► even give you guys any recommendations [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► for something you should read that you [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► haven't already read or that you have [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► been recommended to me because I could [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► say that the authority and I know that [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► you recommended that Jamie and agreed [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► Tom strong or top 10 [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► have you got a result by snot naga lat [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► long long time there's a nice big on the [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► bus have thought yeah there's heat i [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► ended up i had to have surgery at ucsf [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► last year and they delayed it by a [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► couple of hours and somebody had left [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► his omnibus in the waiting room and I've [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► read the entire thing while waiting for [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► it and good way to pass the time it was [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► a great way to pass the time and because [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► MacLeod is is the guy who wrote how did [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► you know understand comics exactly it [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► was fascinating to see what he was [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► putting into practice in his own book as [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► well so i think i just to be obscure [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► although you probably have read this i'm [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► going to say what you should read is [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► micronauts 1 through 12 by Bill man [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► alone Michael golden from the late [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► seventies the most delightful example of [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► how you can take a star wars ripoff [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► based on a toy and make it something [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► that actually is among my favorite [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► things in the entire medium so he might [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► that's my hand on my pile to read [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► yeah it is it isn't available in the [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► trade what I have two morrow 10 because [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► the rights have been completely messed [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► up it's available [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► it's available on on computers & ipad [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► that's k & and I actually i have these [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► but the Marvel reprinted a fine issue on [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► high-quality paper recolored watercolor [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► recolor of the first 12 issues a special [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► edition and I have that [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► actually on my bookshelf and I will [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► bring it in and Lexi because of [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► licensing issues there currently is no [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► legitimate way to buy a collection right [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► of the Micronauts right and in fact that [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► is why i downloaded i'm also that's why [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► i downloaded the migrants bit torn i [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► have all the flimsy issues but quite [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► frankly they're in a box under a box [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► under the rocks and micro i'm reading [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► rom right last night also [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► that's my girl that's built low and sal [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► buscema didn't want to know those were [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► those great to kind of toy tions that I [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► think far surpass her and outlived their [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► toy antecedence yeah there's a rom was [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► 75 issues and a bunch of annuals and [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► people still talk about Rob yeah message [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► board and it's not available because of [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► the rice and always Harker brothers i [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► think is that one and then the Abrams [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► Gentile entertainment that have tried to [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► relicense micronauts a million times and [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► Marvel actually did to issues of microns [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► reboot before the writer and artist [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► discovered that the talks have broken [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► down and that they weren't able to [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► publish them and so yeah but anyway that [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► first run of the the first 12 issues [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► that's a huge fun and you can see the [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► star wars influences and you can see [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► them trying to find ways to get these [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► toys in but not happen be toys just and [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► as a seven-year-old basically right that [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► was the thing that was my know if we [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► don't like to star wars comic books for [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► those are classic seventies Marvel style [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► storing yeah which and Michael golden [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► doesn't get enough credit Jim medow [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► detection for Marvel from the seventies [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► were all the rage that right yeah grew [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► up reading it in the late 70s early [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► nineties half icy hot but I don't didn't [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► happen for me because watchman was [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► published and then I went away right [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► then you missed it you missed the entire [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► rob liefeld era i had a friend who [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► should be a better man I mean I said [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► let's not make our own guy he's really [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► popular and I looked at the Todd [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► McFarlane's spider-man I was like yes so [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► glad i'm not buying comics anymore right [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► having lived through the nineties comics [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► but there was so many at three years [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► where I would go to the comic store and [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► every wednesday and get walk out with [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► nothing very sad it was a depressing [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► dark time and then I picked up on a whim [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► in this comic store in in boerum hill in [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► Brooklyn a chris where acne novelty [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► library number three and that just [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► opened the entire world of like indie [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► comics [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► me would sort of saved the 1980 comics [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► used to be lame i'm with it again yeah [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► with people who can do make sure about [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► this and and spend for another time that [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► it used to be a used to be lame I mean [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► ever i bought John sable freelance by my [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► grill and it was pretty good [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► red star was jim Starlin owned it and [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► that was pretty cool but that was not [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► and you know there was your health [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► quests and you're you know you you make [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► fun of the elf question in HealthQuest [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► got me through 10th grade well I believe [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► it you know I by tenth grade English [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► class was so boring that my friends I [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► would pass around our issues of health [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► quest and and go back to it and it it's [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► tyrone we bad i'll admit that i'll be [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► it's like don bluth put to paper home [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► and get sauced Erica long way [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► yeah and it actually you know I have a [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► nice dream well yeah at the time you [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► know what you would you would never get [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► any an indie comic like invincible which [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► is essentially a marvel comic except in [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► its own universe and that's so great [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► because it's freed from all of that [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► stuff but it's still that kind of tone [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► which I grew up with and I love you so [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► but before we go I will say following on [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► my recommendation of micro not something [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► that you can get when you talk about us [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► being children of the seventies of [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► comics so are many of the creators out [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► there now which is why you start to see [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► those echoes and I i have the hardcover [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► of Planet Hulk which is by a guy named [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► Greg Pak planet hulk is so rife with [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► references and ama jizz to the [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► Micronauts especially those first 12 [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► issues that when i first read it I I i [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► was so excited I was like pacing around [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► my house because it's like oh my god [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► somebody else remembers the microphones [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► and they're gonna come and he's inviting [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► residents and it's hilarious good it's [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► it's true every night and every actual [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► characters that are that are are clearly [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► analogues of itself my that would be my [TS]