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it's September 2010 this is the
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incomparable podcast we're back on the
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incomparable podcast the topic today is
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movies it's free form because we have
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lots of really grand designs big plans
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and pants to match and they they failed
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miserably so instead that it's like the
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potpourri category of the uncomfortable
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i'm jason l joining me today on the
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podcast we have from the wilds of
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Massachusetts and more'n I'd and it's
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nice to be back it seems like it's been
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so long since the last time i was on a
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podcast you're like on the podcast every
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week now what's that about you got
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almost everyday really use that your for
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tool hehe podcast guy I got it all and
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joining me from the wilds of Southern
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California is ben boychuk hi Ben
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hello my fine feathered friends there
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are no feathers here this is not the
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feathery podcast that's a different
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podcast oh darn I think I supposed to be
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on a different call up so movies movies
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at the topic and I know you guys are
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movie lovers i would actually thought I
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would start by bringing up the topic of
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movie music because that's like the
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double bonus of geekiness and in
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particular i was going to talk about
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since this is the incomparable podcast
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music in genre movies
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Ben and I have had a running
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conversation about the star trek
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soundtracks that is exactly what I was
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just thinking when you said that because
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i have i have opinions
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yeah that's that's good and then my no
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Daniel a big john williams fan and a big
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star wars and indiana jones fan as well
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so we can talk john williams who has
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never scored a star trek movie by the
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way he has not but he has scored many
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other large franchises and parts of that
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was like the star wars and indiana jones
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and he did the first 3i believe Harry
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Potter movies at least the first two I
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think I think he did the third one is
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well I think that was the last one that
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he did was did he do that or did they
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just sort of play cues from the other
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movies starting and starting in four
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they actually play cues from like that
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you know it's other composers using the
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themes that he established in the first
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nice nice sorry motif session say if i
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want to sound all sophisticated so in
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this discussion of composers where you
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guys are probably more much more
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well-versed in i am going to i'm gonna
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throw out the first name here which is
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michael giacchino who is an excellent
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composer not only of the latest Star
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Trek movie the JJ Abrams Star Trek
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lots of the recent pics ours which are I
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think excellent the incredibles is a
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great score up as a very good score
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he scored ratatouille to did yes and
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also scored lost which i think is one of
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the best scored TV shows of all time
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it's interesting because the the music
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on lost is very subtle righty like you
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almost don't notice that they're there
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is except one goes yeah I mean it's very
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it's very weird show in that regard that
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was my jakey no there there yes because
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it they only use it very sparsely and
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it's very subtle when it comes up and
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you don't always think about it i think
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that's that's good like because of that
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show it would be very easy for it to be
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distracting or overwhelming or take you
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out of the moment but if they do such a
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he does such a great job thereof of
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reinforcing the feelings that you want
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to experience the sort of the mystery
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the suspense aspects of it and yet there
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are those moments where it comes to the
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fore and sometimes I i guess this is
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would be a good question to ask you guys
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in general that scores mostly for films
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because you don't usually talk about it
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although we could talk about it with
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do you notice the music in the film and
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think oh wow that's a really nice piece
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of music or do you say well you know
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you're not really doing your job if I'm
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noticing the music and not what's on the
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screen because there are some moments in
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Los where I actually felt like that
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night and i liked it i didn't dislike it
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that when they launched the the raft at
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the end of the first season in there yet
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incredibly uplifting score and i felt
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myself thinking wow this is great music
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for what's going on it took me out of
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the moment maybe a little bit but I
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didn't care because it was such a
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beautiful piece of work so is that valid
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to appreciate the music while you're
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watching something or is that a failing
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of either the music or the movie i think
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so i know i think so i think i think
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it's at its best score can be like
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another character in the film or can
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really really compliments the film in
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that was some of the most memorable
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films you'll see you
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you often associate with music I mean
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you could think of course of Star Wars
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and and the inner Indiana Jones movies
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and I think I think certainly the last
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star trek film with the cheeky no star
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trek is another great example of that I
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mean that was a I read an article not
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too long ago about how he approached it
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and and he had said chiquinho did that
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little bit overwhelmed because you know
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there's a there's a great tradition of
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jerry goldsmith did all you know of some
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of the original scores and then james
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horner did two very very good scores for
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four star trek to and star trek 3 and so
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he had that you know very much on his
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mind and he was sort of struggling with
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it and then sat down with Abraham's JJ
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Abrams and and they talked about it and
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they decided that this this movie was
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going to be a departure from that and
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that he should really approach it not as
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a space adventure film but as a film
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about friends about these these friends
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who would become lifelong friends and
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how they got together and so I don't
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know that that necessarily comes out
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when you see the movie but if you think
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about it knowing that and you listen to
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it again you you get some of that some
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of that pathos and some of that high
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adventure stuff and I think it works i
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think it works very well
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yeah i like to I like GQ school actually
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pop this the new star trek score
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oh not too long ago and I like it though
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I think that the soundtrack via the
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album version that i bought which i
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bought from itunes felt very disjointed
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to me and that's difficult i think i
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think soundtrack albums or score albums
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have really have a have a problem with
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that sometimes in that they get sort of
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chopped up and the ques aren't always
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exactly the same as they are in the
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movie because in the movie they're also
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edited to fit various seen lengths and
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stuff like that and so I found that the
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star trek album to have a couple
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outstanding tracks on it but at the same
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time to feel very disjointed for example
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you know the use of some of the central
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themes which I remember very vividly
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from the movie because they really stood
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out for me seem to only come up a couple
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times in the kate in the course of Billy
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entire album array whereas I felt like
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they happened more in the movie and so I
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right you know a little business on
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where we're going is so I think
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affecting in the movie and and effective
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and it on the soundtrack you know you
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almost missed it
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I I kept saying oh yeah that was the
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spot game and we'll never hear there is
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a there is a deluxe version of the
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soundtrack it came out words and it went
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out of friend after about five minutes
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because they only pressed 5000 copies of
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it but I got one and it's it's the
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complete score in order of appearance in
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the film and it's awake i agree with you
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completely that the standard album
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version is kind of a disappointment in
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that respect the deluxe version is great
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and if you can get help get ahold of it
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more power to you I'm going to look on
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amazon right now okay you might be able
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to anyway yeah you might have to go to
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ebay for that
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alright well that's good i'm glad to
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know that something like that exists
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because i find that that's a huge
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problem i mean like movies were talking
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you know movies that are a couple hours
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long and you know a soundtrack that's an
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hour short you know that they might sort
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of hit the high notes as it were for
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pardon the expression but the I always
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feel like there's so much missing that
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it's it's great when you can get a
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larger version of the you know that
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contains the entire score i had this
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issue and i will bring up a score that i
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really like oranges
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serve as an aside was for a terrible
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movie is the Phantom Menace core which
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is actually a very good score on CD yeah
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that's a great sports it's sort of john
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williams getting to revisit that that
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language that he he hadn't spoken in in
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years and it was really nice really
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more to the point there's a double CD
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edition of back that is vastly superior
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to the single the mission just but a
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terrible movie but a terrible
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speaking of great scores for for bad
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films i mean our star trek is concerned
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there is a deluxe edition of the star
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trek 3 soundtrack that just came out a
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couple months ago
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terrible movie but it's a really good
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score and in some i add in some ways I
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think it maybe even a little bit better
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than Star Trek to because both of those
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were composed by james horner in the
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early part of his career before he
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started repeating himself and and if
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there's some notice some really really
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nice stuff on there and the difference
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between Star Trek to start 3 at least as
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far as the soundtrack goes is I think
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order had a larger orchestra to work
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with 43 than he did with two
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you get the sense from the liner notes
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of the special edition of the star 2
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soundtrack that corner was sort of hired
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because he was young and she and didn't
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give him anything to do there and then
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with the third one there like all right
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kid you proved yourself here have an
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orchestra right and it and it shows and
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in particular the queue where they're
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stealing the enterprise from oh yeah
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that that's a great great q and so that
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alone was was worth buying the deluxe
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edition for since the original
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soundtrack disc is long out of print but
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the the deluxe edition just came out I
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think it's still available i think it's
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reasonably priced wow I had both of
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those on tape on connecticut back in the
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day but but search or three not terrible
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by the way I think it's mediocre but I i
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don't think it was a terrible start to
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fly and which actually had Jerry
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motion picture score now that's bad
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now let me tell you that the Star Trek
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the motion picture score i maintain is
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an awesome score and I have the two-disc
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set of that came out a couple several
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years ago now and I think that and i
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recently ripped it to my it to my
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computer since i rarely play CDs anymore
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and i just love that I mean not only for
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the fact that goldsmith created the
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theme that would then go on to be used
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as the theme for the next generation and
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even fact I think goldsmith version in
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the motion picture is slightly different
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and superior i would argue
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[Music]
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but the whole sort of experimental
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aspects with the electronic aspects and
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you know dealing with the soundtrack for
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feature and all of the the sort of wacky
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parts i love i think it's great i think
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it is a fantastic score so i can't speak
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highly enough of that score though again
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the movie itself is weird and kind of
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mediocre yeah yeah that's the movie that
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really needed an editor at like one and
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then they released the special edition
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and it might want two minutes more high
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oh yeah yeah but the beauty of those
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flyby shots is that the music is quite
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quite points for entertaining and I've
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been trying to on your recommendation i
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do not actually own a copy of the star
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trek to score which I keep trying to
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find but it's not available anywhere as
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a electronic download right it was just
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the silver screen music CD the last CD
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that's the only CD I bought in the last
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three years is that is that because it
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was only available on CD is so
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frustrating i hate it when that happens
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but I thought I always thought was funny
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because you mentioned that the tape
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score and i remember that when i was in
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high school my friend Evan had a the
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tape of the star trek motion picture
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score and I borrowed that from him for a
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really long time and I think I even dug
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my own copy of it at one point onto
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cassette tape because i loved it someone
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here's a little-known fact and actually
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I don't know if been even knows this i
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was disappointed when they did the
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complete star trek to CD though that
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it's missing a track that was on my tape
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what's really on at the end of the
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second side of the cassette of the star
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trek to soundtrack boy were deep in the
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weeds aren't we
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it you know how on cassette tapes and
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records at the time but especially tapes
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you have side one inside too and they
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would be not quite the same length and
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you end up with like a big gap anh anh
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at the end of the tape that you have to
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fast-forward through if you have it over
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and listen again after about I think
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several minutes of silence at the end of
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the star 2 soundtrack there's like a
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three minute track that is like a pop
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remix of the theme of star trek to with
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drum machines and it's like up it i
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don't know where it came from i don't
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know who did it but my friends and I in
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high school thought it was really cool
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and we like a friend of mine made a
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montage of the best scenes of star trek
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to and and dubbed it over that that pop
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remix thing how is that not made it to
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youtube as well i don't think i have a
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copy of it anymore but but um uh or it
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would be on YouTube now but I it's funny
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and I so hoping somebody would explain
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the liner notes of what the heck that
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was even was because I don't even know
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if it appeared on the record but I know
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that it was hidden away with a secret
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bonus track on the tape of star trek to
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suit maybe james horner knows maybe he
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doesn't ever want that to be heard again
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yes I don't know ok let's talk Jackie
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know for one more minute though I i
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wanted to i'm curious what you think his
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best work is because he's done a lot of
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different film work now with Pixar with
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with Star Trek and and on on TV with
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lost any any opinions about that because
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I think incredible is the one that kills
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me because that's like I know perfect
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i'm john barry askah James Bond score
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with the brass and I i love the
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incredibles I don't own a lot of his
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albums but i will say that from you know
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my memories of watching the movie i
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thought that the score top was really
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fantastic and also just because i think
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you know my given my surpassing familiar
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with Jackie no I think that was very
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different from anything else I'd heard
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from at that point which was primarily
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like lost right and I and I thought that
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you know the up score would was so it
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was so sweet and and melodious and fit
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so well with the story that it really I
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really there's you know the theme that
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they played and you know the Oscars
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whenever they show a clip and they play
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sort of the central motif of that of the
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movie and it's just it's such a it's
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such a note-perfect beautiful little
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little piece
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I just saw an interview with him where
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where I'm not sure whether it's it i
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could misinterpret what he said or
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whether he actually made it this way but
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the impression I got was that he
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believes that his score saved that movie
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because he believes that he tell you
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what he said was something like if I if
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I don't score the the montage right
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where you really forget feel the emotion
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of of the guy and his wife and their
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life together in him losing her
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he said by the time you get to the point
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where there are dogs hijacking airplanes
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you're just gonna be checked out and say
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and I thought it was really interesting
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and i'm not quite sure whether he was
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misquoted or what's going on because
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he's essentially saying any maybe right
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is that unless you make that emotional
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investment in that montage which is kind
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of amazing in which the music is a major
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part of because there is no dialogue
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there it is just the music and visual
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right right that that movie might not
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play as well if you if you don't get the
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emotional investment to ground you
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before you have talking dogs who are
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running around a a dirigible a Zeppelin
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if you will that makes that makes a lot
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of sense to me
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yeah I think this is probably my
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favorite and for just that reason I mean
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it really that you know that that first
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six seven minutes so that you know what
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that montage it just rips your heart
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right out
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it was just so good second second place
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might be the the ratatouille score which
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is just so charming and you know
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locative of this this world that they
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create in Paris but now i want to put in
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the good word for for the music that God
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had noticed which was his videogame work
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and the Medal of Honor series which I
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guess is like that you have 12 or 13
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years old now and that that first medal
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of honor score which is on CD it's
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pretty easy to get i think it's even
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downloadable is really good and it you
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know it's really sounds like a film and
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it's really just it's really cool
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actually Jason I like the incredible
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score but I I'm kind of its kind of
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third tier for me precisely because it's
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a little bit too derivative of John be
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this is true this is true I i see what I
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love I love it I and I part of it is
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that i love that movie yeah and then one
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more thing that for time there I would
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have said that that it would be very
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difficult for him to go wrong and it's
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interesting that you brought up the
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interview which i'd love to track down
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and look at the you know that his music
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saved may have saved help save up which
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is interesting because his worst score
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by far has got to be landing lost which
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was abysmal e bad and the music sounds
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like it's written to the material if you
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if you hear it so he wasn't trying to
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save it he was just going with i guess
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so i saw the movie months after I
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because i have this kind of funny habit
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i tend to buy soundtracks before I see
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movies and sometimes I never get around
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to seeing the movie but i have the
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soundtrack but that was one where i had
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i bought the soundtrack the day it came
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out i downloaded from itunes the day
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came out and then saw the movie when it
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came out on DVD in it and almost didn't
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finish it it it's really terrible and
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the music is about this it's very uneven
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that's sort of you know he goes from
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slapstick to and it just feels like he
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kind of phone do then and the movies
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about like that to dan you were saying
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that you've been listening to the word
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temple of doom soundtrack yeah i just
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had that on this afternoon actually
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well you're to go they released a box
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set of all full of all that was all for
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you know I hate to admit this is worth
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that there's for the leader going on but
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of all ps4 Indiana Jones that come out
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yeah yeah I don't know it had something
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to do with that others Arthur said there
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was a skull and on there i have this box
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that has the scores for all for Indiana
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Jones movies and so I you know had
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ripped them off my computer and I like
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to find that they're really helpful
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working just because there's not there's
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no words or anything so you know you can
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kind of zone out
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have that running in the background and
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so I the Temple of Doom is the one that
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I am beast familiar with because i
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actually already owned copies of raiders
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and last crusade at you know that the
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album versions of those at when before I
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even got the box set
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I like that i was listening temple you
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because I don't know it as well as the
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others and I think you seen that movie
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recently by the way I tell you know I
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I'm not gonna lie i've actually only
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seen it maybe 15 only seen it once I
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it's never had a desire to revisit my
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now wondering if it's as bad as i
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remember honestly the first day I might
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with a very funny experience I had with
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this was that when i was in high school
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we used to do these like movie marathon
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nights for my friends birthday and so
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one times like will do you know we did
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Star Wars last year will do Indiana
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Jones this year and so we watch traders
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and then we put in Temple of Doom and
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watch the first 10 minutes right up to
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the part where they jump out of the
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plane and then they said the rest of
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this movie is no good he started
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everything we went on to Last Crusade i
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did see the first 10 minutes of it again
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on cable and i watched it up until they
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jump out of the plane and and then I
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said alright that's that entire first
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scene is fantastic and actually on the
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soundtrack i really loved the cake
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capture singing the Chinese version of
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anything-goes which is just kind of a
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it's a bizarre little kind of fun
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musical number one of the funniest
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things and in the entire Indiana Jones
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series is that is the moment I love that
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moment where he's standing at the door
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of the plane having finally escaped and
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he shouts nice trial oj and closes the
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door to reveal that he's on a lounge
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chair freight plane i love that it's so
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funny and then there in the plane and
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they jump out and it
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yeah i mean age actually the movie is
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not awful there are some great sequences
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in but it's still a pretty good score
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all things considered I don't think it
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resonates with me quite as much as the
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other two because i love those movies so
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much but i think you know
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say what you will and i know a lot of
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people you know don't necessarily have
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the all-embracing love John Williams
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that i have but i think you know even at
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his worst you know the worst you can say
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about a John Williams score is that it's
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you know constantly professional scorer
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you know it may not be one of his best
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works but at the same time
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I it's john williams and that
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automatically for me put it a cut above
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most most things
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if we had talked about scott pilgrim I
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would have talked about the scott
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pilgrim music was there haha yeah that's
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good music good you
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although let me tell you inception has
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music haha inception has music that beat
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you over the head until you are dead
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did you see that the youtube video about
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it though no this is a kind of all just
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because this is actually gonna talk
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about spoilers for inception but I but
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the music is is who is the composer Hans
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Zimmer oh it's hans zimmer yes and so
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what's fascinating about this that
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somebody notices so you know the sort of
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the main queue for that movie you've got
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the dawn dawn it's sort of like having a
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ponderous background and bring into your
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head turns out that's actually so you
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know in the music they use a in the
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movie they use the there's an Edith Piaf
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song that they used to synchronize I
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don't try to do this I can't wait to a
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spoiler I'm to synchronize the the kick
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yes right if you take the beginning of
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that song and slow it down
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that is what it sounds like and he did
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that kind of on purpose as it's
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fascinating go look at the there's a
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youtube video online somewhere of
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comparing the two and it's actually
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quite clever when you think of it that
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way i know it is kind of a we
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we're not particularly melodious a piece
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of music but I kind of appreciated it
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for that aspect of it i was going to say
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who wrote it for him sing well I
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obviously was that Edith Piaf song just
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slow down right we'll see that's the
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entire score you know it's to our two
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and it's like it's like that justin
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bieber song on twitter that that they
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slow down so it's 18 minutes long and
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suddenly it's a pure moods half an hour
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long and it's great and it's not
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attacked guitar oh it's great it's one
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of the most relaxing things I've heard
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in years
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actually heard the it's the doctor who
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theme slow down to 110 that speed and
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that's great too
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that actually is you can tell where you
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are in the theme but you know it'll take
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45 minutes to get through it
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fantastic
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more music should be played at 17 the
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speed perhaps except from Hans Zimmer
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yeah maybe not so much although I do
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love his idea of his score for the rock
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you love the rock though i do that do
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that might be on my list of terrible
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movies i was gonna say what's your
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suggestion was we should talk about
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movies that other people don't like that
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you like that's not even the worst movie
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that I like that other people hate sure
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I could go all around i think the rock
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was ok but I know there are a lot of
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people who it's it's it's you know i
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will say this it's michael bay's right
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it's michael bay's best work which
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cannot say much but or ok Dan you
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intrigue me with your words that
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suggests that there are other movies
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that you like the people hate anymore
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i'm gonna get castigated for this but
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one of my favorite movies of all of
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possibly of all time is a terrible bruce
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willis vehicle called hudson hawk is up
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is a fan decks significant because it's
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so so bizarre it is a movie that it's
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surreal and kind of you know filled with
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terrible like plays on words and and all
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sorts of like slapstick humor and yet I
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find utterly delightful and it was when
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it came out as i believe it was you know
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roundly panned by are pretty much
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everybody for being like you know Bruce
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Willis trying to basically make his own
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character movie franchise and and sort
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of like it was a vanity piece basically
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but a friend of mine introduced me to it
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either in high school or college and I
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don't know it's just it's so
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over-the-top and so campy that I just
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find it utterly you know delightful to
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watch and and kind of ridiculous eclairs
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it's a no and for those of you not
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familiar with it basically bruce willis
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plays a thief reform thief is so it
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starts with him getting out of prison
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who is then sort of hired by this
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mysterious benefactor to to steal things
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that belong to me in our davinci
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actually sounds plausible but the best
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the best part of this is that so his his
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partner his in crime is played by danny
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and they do their robberies by a time
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their robberies synchronizing them by
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singing songs so there's this great
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number where they're robbing uh an
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auction house and singing swinging on a
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dad it's fantastic and so it is so
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strange and entertaining
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I don't know it's that's one of my
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guilty pleasure I saw it for the first
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time this year actually some friend of
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mine said you got to see this now it's
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really not as bad as it is as you've
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heard it wasn't as bad as I've heard
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okay i'll give you that and and that
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particular robbery scene is one that
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kind of sticks in my mind but then you
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got Sandra bernhardt in there you know
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chewing up the scenery and yeah you can
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kind of see why it was really so reviled
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but at yeah it isn't it isn't as bad as
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as it's been made out to be but that
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doesn't make it any good but it's very
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delightful little turns from my favorite
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being james coburn as a his uh his
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character's name but he is it George
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yeah it's an homage to North by
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Northwest and the just call yourself a
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fan I just like it slipped my mind and
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all the heat because i have to defend
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this movie with my with my life
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you're out of the hudson hawk fan club
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now what I'm the old any president and
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founder of secretary-treasurer yeah
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you're out anyway so right now there's
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nobody anymore
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who let you in it's my turn off the
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lights yeah it's a it's a it's a fun
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ridiculously terrible me and and you get
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to the end and there's a there's a scene
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which makes it all worthwhile because
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you can basically tell that they they
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know that this movie is is not even
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remotely serious where a character who
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you think is dead after seeing them like
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go off a cliff with like an exploding
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car so you know rides up of course kind
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of city and everything and they're like
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oh my god you're alive like how did you
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get out of the fire and they go
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sprinkler system and they're all like
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that's got to be it you know that it's
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like that
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I love that sort of sheer joyful moment
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of B we don't even believe this
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ourselves but we're having a good time
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wow well dan I might be want to be on my
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story podcast side I don't think I I
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don't I've got the 1i i'm such a are a
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rugged individualist that I actually
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don't know whether people like movies
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that I like nor do i care but i know
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that everybody hates em night Shyamalan
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and really why not
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but not only did I kind of like the
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village but I love unbreakable which i
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think is generally thought to have been
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a failure because it was just follow up
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to the sixties I thought it was
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well-received there but it's kind of a
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cult classic and i'll say that a cult
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classic seaside also want to note I'm
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gonna file that under cult classic
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because I I talk about unbreakable with
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some people in there like ugh you know
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just oh come on
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but I thought it was a great I one of
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the better superhero movies ever to be
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made because it wasn't you don't go in
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understanding that it is a superhero
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movie and it's only later that you
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discover that Bruce Willis there he is
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again is actually poncho man and you
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just didn't even know that poncho purple
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punch oh man was a superhero because he
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wasn't until you saw the movie and i
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realize that i will say that it's a
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fantastic movie let me try another one
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then I didn't think that watchman was
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terrible
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oh I although although that scene in the
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it with the music playing and with uh
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what is it hallelujah which is just
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destroyed that a that music entirely
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where they're having sex in the AL ship
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up in the sky was so terrible and I
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think there's some questionable casting
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decisions but you know I actually
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thought that was not I i I've lived with
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that comic book for a long time and I
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actually thought that that as film
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adaptations of I've imagined go it would
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probably have been it was not not a
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complete disaster i thought that it had
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its heart in the right place and parts
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of it worked pretty well and then other
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yeah they have any should've cast real
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actors instead of pretty on unknown
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people who were they should spend less
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money on some of their green screen work
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and maybe a little more money on alcohol
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though it had to you know I thought that
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was a movie that was flawed but
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ambitious and as a result I think you
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know there's something to be said for
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it also does have a couple
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markable terms I thought out Jackie are
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highly as Rorschach is nicer a fantastic
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and probably the best performance in
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that entirely as opposed to the worst
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performance in the entire movie which is
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it a toss up between melon acre melon
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and who is you can't act her way out of
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a paper bag and matthew goode who is not
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a bad actor but you've hit the two
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biggest but he get in my face probably
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his accent changes like every five
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minutes in that movie and he just looks
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he just can't yell it in English its
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German its American it is English its
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but i agree that it's not it's not an
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awful movie I wouldn't say that I really
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liked it loved it or anything but you
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know I agree that it was kind of a noble
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failure that movie for me that actually
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diminished source material haha because
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mine yet you can look at Lori now
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why more thought it couldn't and
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some real incoherent aspects of the
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story so it sort of exposes it exposes
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parts of the story that maybe we're
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hidden in the in a comic write it but
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that but there are some real sins in
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that film that the greatest of which is
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to give to mail & Ackerman the most
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important Lyle in the entire book which
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was dr. Manhattan's line at the very end
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hey I remember what John said to me once
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about something that was none related to
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this at all one thing ever never ever
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really over
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no nothing's ever really / you know he
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told me that once haha yeah alright
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that's a no you want to eat i'm hungry
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that's gonna like let's do i'm gonna dye
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my hair and moved to California so yeah
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that yeah it had a lot of loss i said
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for years that the only way that
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watchman should ever be made into
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anything would be a 12-part like HBO
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series miniseries where they could do it
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in the twelve parts and tell these
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individual sort of story chunks with
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endings and the cliffhangers that
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happened at the end of the chapters the
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issues from the comic there is some
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attempt you know the game of thrones by
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george RR martin is being made into an
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HBO series and I I look at that and say
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now that's I think that's how you how
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you have to do it or if you some of the
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band of brothers are the Pacific where
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there's a essentially a big mega
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miniseries I just think that the the
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concept was just going to be too
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expensive for them to do it so they end
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up making this movie instead
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the first thing I thought when you when
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you mentioned watchman is that that is
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my feeling on it's like wow you know
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this movie the best thing I can say
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about this movie is it makes me long for
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the day when they eventually we might
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not as a TV series in the Indian
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depreciated category and throughout kiss
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kiss bang bang
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how is that uh appreciate that's that is
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like one of the best movies like nobody
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even knows that exists right Shane
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Black's uh directed and written and he's
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got a bad reputation right from the sum
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of the didn't you do last action hero or
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something or you did some day he's got a
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bad like personal rep I feel like
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because I think he went through some bad
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stuff in the eighties but he also wrote
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I mean the original lead away which is
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actually a pretty darn good movie but
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that's that's a welcomer and robbins
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junior that's managed on him
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no I haven't and send the cue but it's
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very mellow yeah yeah I we recommended
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race on shocked the country actually
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because I didn't have high expectations
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I i had recommended by somebody in and i
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was i could not believe how good it was
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that was one of the last movie I saw
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multiple times in a movie theater i
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think i actually saw three times because
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i kept dragging other people to it being
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like you got to see this movie and last
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on my list of course spider-man 3 which
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is no I can't even he can't even pretend
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that this terrible funny though because
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you mentioned Sean and I was going to
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say not only do i like the village and
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unbreakable
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I like lady in the water and I'm
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definitely in the minority there I
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didn't although i will say that
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happening is a terrible movie
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I haven't seen it happening that will
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wear my own just don't know it's so bad
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it's a terrible movie I will I will
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argue that shaman is a is an excellent
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an extremely talented filmmaker I mean
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if you look at any of his movies not
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just you know from a writing perspective
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but from the perspective of a you know
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an officer the the films that he put
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together our
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so well they're well shot ya know so
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deliberate yes it's got you know really
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great total consistency for the most
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part he's just an excellent filmmaker
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but you know for whatever reason his
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last couple movies I mean I think it's
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unfortunate because like you said I
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think so much got banged on the name you
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know like after he made his reputation
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with six cents like everybody got to
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expecting a certain type of movie from
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the total and that lucky especially the
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whole like twist ending thing I think
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that unfortunately kinda kinda you know
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not enough foot yeah yeah because like I
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mean and and to be fair six cents
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unbreakable has a great twist ending
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that I you know I will say I did not see
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coming at all yet and that seems still
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gets me every time I last scene where
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it's just like oh my god you know this
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was not a coincidence
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yeah and so I mean I think he he makes
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great films and I think you know I
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certainly don't think we've heard the
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last of him he's got this but I don't
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know he's got this knight chronicles
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thing going which is I guess he's
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producing these films and they're sort
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of based on maybe some of his ideas but
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he's letting other people right and
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directed my first one of these is devil
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which is coming out
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I don't know when it's coming out this
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it's coming out soon yeah i mean i have
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to interject there because i went to see
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went to the movies last week and they
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played the trailer for this right right
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oh yeah and that the text came up
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because they don't say that he's not
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directing it you tried my internet
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channel and from the mind
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yes and he moves people booed it was
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good yeah it was booed when i was there
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everyone goes OH really you know like
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and and I'm surprised because this was
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not like a Peter where that I feel like
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there's there's a lot of bed often
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happening but man we all my friends and
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our kind of looked at each other like
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holding out we didn't realize that you
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know i mean we know that he's using his
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reputation and credibility has gone
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downhill but that was pretty brutal
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that's too bad i mean he's a he's a guy
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who's right for a comeback if he gets
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there although if you see the online
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there's a parody so that movies about
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like you know a bunch of people get shot
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like stuck in an elevator in a tall
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building and there's like a demon or
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something in there with them I don't
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know Devil's you be heated a parody of
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with people trapped on including himself
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in it of people trapped on an escalator
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which is actually pretty funny so
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there's like a two minute trailer of
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this movie about these three people get
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stuck on an escalator
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ya know canvas career be saved I I think
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he's got the talent so it's gonna give
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him five to ten years to sort of you
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know cool off fine go find himself and I
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think I think you'll see him come back
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with something that that will everybody
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will go
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hey remember I'm not java on that you
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bet you thought he was like dad or
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something out in this movie is good that
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that's that's the hope is us
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occasionally talk about I think he took
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it as a personal affront that
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unbreakable wasn't a hit but he noted
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talking occasionally about about doing a
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sequel which I would love because I love
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the first movie
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yea though I heard last I heard was that
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one of the ideas for this Knight
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Chronicles series was going to be
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somebody doing you know taking the
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idomeni he had taken the idea he had for
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a sequel and turning it into a separate
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unconnected movie cells too well he also
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said he still wants to do the sequel but
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that is idea is one idea for a villain
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that you had briefly thought about
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including in the first movie was going
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to be broken off but he said so because
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i think i saw the same interview I think
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you're talking about and I think he said
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so the unbreakable sequel will be
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something else
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so that's you know that's promising
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maybe they'll be nice i mean like i
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think the big as you said I think he
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took it very personally my cousin who's
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a huge movie aficionado you know will
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always point the scene and Lady of the
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water where that basically involves the
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sort of brutal killing of a film critic
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and say there's something wrong yeah and
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you've got to put that into a movie like
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clearly you know you have some issues
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that you need to work out and I think
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he's probably not wrong about that and
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and I hope that he works through those
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issues because again i do think he's a
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really talented filmmaker yeah I yes
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let's hide that that seem that seam is
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mystifying and terrible and in otherwise
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wonder movie that i really like but you
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know well again it had its faults it's
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it's a it's interesting because it's the
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sort of parable fairytale kind of movie
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all that it was not marketed as such
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which was one of the big reasons I think
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it fly faster but Stardust was better
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start us was I like to start us but I
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don't know there's something about
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leaving the water that it may have just
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been you know the point at which i saw
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or you know what was feeling good that
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yeah i don't know i mean i really i
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thought it was really good and speaking
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of movies with a great score it has a
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fantastic score by James Newton Howard
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who does i think almost all the nice
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John with stuff i think i think it does
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involve yeah i like the young guy like
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the ingredients for yeah that's a great
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scores well he did that he did that too
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i think that they're good they're good
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pair i was thinking that you're talking
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about about Shana I was thinking I
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wonder if I wonder if Robert Rodriguez
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is so entering that period where you
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know some of his material is just a
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little bit too self-indulgent and
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not-so-great he's in his comfort zone
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right because he's just making movies
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for himself down in the down in Austin
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like your eyes in his house
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I i mean i'll say I liked I liked both
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Rodriguez half of a grindhouse and I saw
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machete this past week and actually
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thought it was pretty darn good
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I mean it's set up to do a certain thing
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and I think it really did that pretty I
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no I i actually yeah I liked planet
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I mean of the two parts by the terror
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was the tighter and less sprawling of
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the two and i did see machete and I and
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I liked it more or less likely said he
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was a little bit little bit long little
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bit episodic but yeah I didn't I enjoyed
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psychologically they had I I don't
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really like it based on a book that is
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yeah very clearly has a very different
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vision from philip k dick original novel
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it should be left up to the audience to
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pass out when i try to watch it is that
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there's no Angeles yeah to put me just
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movie with the chariots of fire theme
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like to recommend to our massive
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incomparable movie audience who is
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kickass kick-ass just add on well DVD i
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time people here is probably what a
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month six weeks but so you like kick-ass
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yeah yeah and actually that was the
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thing where I i wasn't really familiar
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with the graphic novel on which it was
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based but um read the graphic novel
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before I saw the movie and so I kind of
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a new kind of what to expect going in
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graphic novel and it and it makes some
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deficiencies and I thought it was it was
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really good and kind of looking forward
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to the sequel i will say that i think
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loses its way a little bit a bit a bit
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but it if it's such a great like parody
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not like parody satire on on the whole
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superhero genre for about the first
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two-thirds three-fourths of it and then
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the last act really turns it into wait
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movie and so you kind of become the
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thing that you're satirizing and I think
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that's where it lost me but i think that
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the first two-thirds of it is really
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really good
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ya know and the actors are great in it
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beautifully and now it's um it's it's
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well worth seeing and I'm gonna watch it
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again on DVD pretty soon but too well
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worth it not worth it all right what
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about you Dan
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I'm sort of flipping through and seeing
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with what's coming out soon because I
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think there were a couple things coming
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out in a in the next month or two that i
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did want to see you want to see that
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movie about the owls that saved the
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magical fairyland that was totally one
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of them how did you know in a way where
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remotely was with two was in it I think
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the two that I sort of see as I flipping
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through what's coming out is there's a
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movie coming out called
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hold up buried with ryan right yeah yeah
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which has a it's basically about a guy
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who gets you know sort of the divers
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i think it's like kidnapped and buried
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basically in a coffin and it's got this
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fascinating
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it's got some great trailers to you know
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very atmospheric there's an aspect of it
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that you know they've been really
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playing up in a lot of the posters and
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and trailers almost AAA saul bass sort
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of like ethic design ethic that reminds
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sets i think of I think again of his
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cock movies like a rope and lifeboat
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single location and it and i think
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especially for a movie that is this is
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clearly a little really claustrophobic
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interesting idea so I have no idea if
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it's good or not but it said it strikes
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and unique and I don't know if Reynolds
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has what it takes to pull it off but i
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think that's I would certainly be
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interested finding out and then the
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interested in seeing was actually the
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social network because i think i really
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like David Fincher I think he's a he's a
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very talented director and it strikes
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to jesse eisenberg who last year was in
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zombieland and did a fantastic job in
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that movie and if you ever want to see
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him in another really good roll movie
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called rodger dodger that he did many
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years ago with Campbell Scott is also
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really good and so those are converted
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the interesting intersection of that
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along with this story of I don't know is
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the story of facebook is really that
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interesting but the idea that you know
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it interested both venture and aaron
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sorkin who wrote the screenplay enough
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to make a movie out of it suggests to me
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that there is there something there
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news broke this week or or maybe last
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listener for that a deal has been cut
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between Stephen King yes soul and Brian
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to make the dark tower not as a movie
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and not as a TV series but as a movie
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another season of a TV series and
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another movie this is this is the most
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ambitious thing I've heard since the
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week before when they announced that
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they were going to turn Sandman into a
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TV show and then we'll save that for
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another podcast yeah we'll save that for
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another podcast but still i love the
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dark tower and and I you know if it's
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going to be done then I agree that it
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needs to be done in a suitably sprawling
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epic fashion and honestly I could spend
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an entire podcast talking about the dark
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tower but not this but not this one but
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you know a separate separate the road I
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know people like Ron Howard you know
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names like that behind it
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part of me wonders if this will ever get
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done just because it's so ambitious
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yeah and and there's a lot of talk about
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it and and previously in fact the the
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rights were held by JJ Abrams and garlic
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actor to to commit to so I find it in
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see what they get for that i read an
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skeptical maybe of how that's going to
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pan out but I i think it will it will
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certainly be interesting to see all
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right I predict we'll all be mummies by
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the time comes yeah that's that's right
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vision will launch by then and we'll be
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able to see it in our tombs in our
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see it in full 3d in my vision
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wait that doesn't make any sense and ben
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boychuk thanks for having me thank you
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very much
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this is jason smell thanks for listening
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