The Incomparable

4: This Film Presented in Mummy-Vision


  it's September 2010 this is the [TS]

  incomparable podcast we're back on the [TS]

  incomparable podcast the topic today is [TS]

  movies it's free form because we have [TS]

  lots of really grand designs big plans [TS]

  and pants to match and they they failed [TS]

  miserably so instead that it's like the [TS]

  potpourri category of the uncomfortable [TS]

  i'm jason l joining me today on the [TS]

  podcast we have from the wilds of [TS]

  Massachusetts and more'n I'd and it's [TS]

  nice to be back it seems like it's been [TS]

  so long since the last time i was on a [TS]

  podcast you're like on the podcast every [TS]

  week now what's that about you got [TS]

  almost everyday really use that your for [TS]

  tool hehe podcast guy I got it all and [TS]

  joining me from the wilds of Southern [TS]

  California is ben boychuk hi Ben [TS]

  hello my fine feathered friends there [TS]

  are no feathers here this is not the [TS]

  feathery podcast that's a different [TS]

  podcast oh darn I think I supposed to be [TS]

  on a different call up so movies movies [TS]

  at the topic and I know you guys are [TS]

  movie lovers i would actually thought I [TS]

  would start by bringing up the topic of [TS]

  movie music because that's like the [TS]

  double bonus of geekiness and in [TS]

  particular i was going to talk about [TS]

  since this is the incomparable podcast [TS]

  music in genre movies [TS]

  Ben and I have had a running [TS]

  conversation about the star trek [TS]

  soundtracks that is exactly what I was [TS]

  just thinking when you said that because [TS]

  i have i have opinions [TS]

  yeah that's that's good and then my no [TS]

  Daniel a big john williams fan and a big [TS]

  star wars and indiana jones fan as well [TS]

  so we can talk john williams who has [TS]

  never scored a star trek movie by the [TS]

  way he has not but he has scored many [TS]

  other large franchises and parts of that [TS]

  was like the star wars and indiana jones [TS]

  and he did the first 3i believe Harry [TS]

  Potter movies at least the first two I [TS]

  think I think he did the third one is [TS]

  well I think that was the last one that [TS]

  he did was did he do that or did they [TS]

  just sort of play cues from the other [TS]

  movies starting and starting in four [TS]

  they actually play cues from like that [TS]

  you know it's other composers using the [TS]

  themes that he established in the first [TS]

  three [TS]

  nice nice sorry motif session say if i [TS]

  want to sound all sophisticated so in [TS]

  this discussion of composers where you [TS]

  guys are probably more much more [TS]

  well-versed in i am going to i'm gonna [TS]

  throw out the first name here which is [TS]

  michael giacchino who is an excellent [TS]

  composer not only of the latest Star [TS]

  Trek movie the JJ Abrams Star Trek [TS]

  reboot [TS]

  lots of the recent pics ours which are I [TS]

  think excellent the incredibles is a [TS]

  great score up as a very good score [TS]

  he scored ratatouille to did yes and [TS]

  also scored lost which i think is one of [TS]

  the best scored TV shows of all time [TS]

  it's interesting because the the music [TS]

  on lost is very subtle righty like you [TS]

  almost don't notice that they're there [TS]

  is except one goes yeah I mean it's very [TS]

  it's very weird show in that regard that [TS]

  was my jakey no there there yes because [TS]

  it they only use it very sparsely and [TS]

  it's very subtle when it comes up and [TS]

  you don't always think about it i think [TS]

  that's that's good like because of that [TS]

  show it would be very easy for it to be [TS]

  distracting or overwhelming or take you [TS]

  out of the moment but if they do such a [TS]

  he does such a great job thereof of [TS]

  reinforcing the feelings that you want [TS]

  to experience the sort of the mystery [TS]

  the suspense aspects of it and yet there [TS]

  are those moments where it comes to the [TS]

  fore and sometimes I i guess this is [TS]

  would be a good question to ask you guys [TS]

  in general that scores mostly for films [TS]

  because you don't usually talk about it [TS]

  although we could talk about it with [TS]

  lost [TS]

  do you notice the music in the film and [TS]

  think oh wow that's a really nice piece [TS]

  of music or do you say well you know [TS]

  you're not really doing your job if I'm [TS]

  noticing the music and not what's on the [TS]

  screen because there are some moments in [TS]

  Los where I actually felt like that [TS]

  night and i liked it i didn't dislike it [TS]

  that when they launched the the raft at [TS]

  the end of the first season in there yet [TS]

  incredibly uplifting score and i felt [TS]

  myself thinking wow this is great music [TS]

  for what's going on it took me out of [TS]

  the moment maybe a little bit but I [TS]

  didn't care because it was such a [TS]

  beautiful piece of work so is that valid [TS]

  to appreciate the music while you're [TS]

  watching something or is that a failing [TS]

  of either the music or the movie i think [TS]

  so i know i think so i think i think [TS]

  it's at its best score can be like [TS]

  another character in the film or can [TS]

  really really compliments the film in [TS]

  that was some of the most memorable [TS]

  films you'll see you [TS]

  you often associate with music I mean [TS]

  you could think of course of Star Wars [TS]

  and and the inner Indiana Jones movies [TS]

  and I think I think certainly the last [TS]

  star trek film with the cheeky no star [TS]

  trek is another great example of that I [TS]

  mean that was a I read an article not [TS]

  too long ago about how he approached it [TS]

  and and he had said chiquinho did that [TS]

  he was [TS]

  little bit overwhelmed because you know [TS]

  there's a there's a great tradition of [TS]

  jerry goldsmith did all you know of some [TS]

  of the original scores and then james [TS]

  horner did two very very good scores for [TS]

  four star trek to and star trek 3 and so [TS]

  he had that you know very much on his [TS]

  mind and he was sort of struggling with [TS]

  it and then sat down with Abraham's JJ [TS]

  Abrams and and they talked about it and [TS]

  they decided that this this movie was [TS]

  going to be a departure from that and [TS]

  that he should really approach it not as [TS]

  a space adventure film but as a film [TS]

  about friends about these these friends [TS]

  who would become lifelong friends and [TS]

  how they got together and so I don't [TS]

  know that that necessarily comes out [TS]

  when you see the movie but if you think [TS]

  about it knowing that and you listen to [TS]

  it again you you get some of that some [TS]

  of that pathos and some of that high [TS]

  adventure stuff and I think it works i [TS]

  think it works very well [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  yeah i like to I like GQ school actually [TS]

  pop this the new star trek score [TS]

  oh not too long ago and I like it though [TS]

  I think that the soundtrack via the [TS]

  album version that i bought which i [TS]

  bought from itunes felt very disjointed [TS]

  to me and that's difficult i think i [TS]

  think soundtrack albums or score albums [TS]

  have really have a have a problem with [TS]

  that sometimes in that they get sort of [TS]

  chopped up and the ques aren't always [TS]

  exactly the same as they are in the [TS]

  movie because in the movie they're also [TS]

  edited to fit various seen lengths and [TS]

  stuff like that and so I found that the [TS]

  star trek album to have a couple [TS]

  outstanding tracks on it but at the same [TS]

  time to feel very disjointed for example [TS]

  you know the use of some of the central [TS]

  themes which I remember very vividly [TS]

  from the movie because they really stood [TS]

  out for me seem to only come up a couple [TS]

  times in the kate in the course of Billy [TS]

  entire album array whereas I felt like [TS]

  they happened more in the movie and so I [TS]

  right you know a little business on [TS]

  where we're going is so I think [TS]

  affecting in the movie and and effective [TS]

  and it on the soundtrack you know you [TS]

  almost missed it [TS]

  I I kept saying oh yeah that was the [TS]

  spot game and we'll never hear there is [TS]

  a there is a deluxe version of the [TS]

  soundtrack it came out words and it went [TS]

  out of friend after about five minutes [TS]

  because they only pressed 5000 copies of [TS]

  it but I got one and it's it's the [TS]

  complete score in order of appearance in [TS]

  the film and it's awake i agree with you [TS]

  completely that the standard album [TS]

  version is kind of a disappointment in [TS]

  that respect the deluxe version is great [TS]

  and if you can get help get ahold of it [TS]

  more power to you I'm going to look on [TS]

  amazon right now okay you might be able [TS]

  to anyway yeah you might have to go to [TS]

  ebay for that [TS]

  alright well that's good i'm glad to [TS]

  know that something like that exists [TS]

  because i find that that's a huge [TS]

  problem i mean like movies were talking [TS]

  you know movies that are a couple hours [TS]

  long and you know a soundtrack that's an [TS]

  hour short you know that they might sort [TS]

  of hit the high notes as it were for [TS]

  pardon the expression but the I always [TS]

  feel like there's so much missing that [TS]

  it's it's great when you can get a [TS]

  larger version of the you know that [TS]

  contains the entire score i had this [TS]

  issue and i will bring up a score that i [TS]

  really like oranges [TS]

  serve as an aside was for a terrible [TS]

  movie is the Phantom Menace core which [TS]

  is actually a very good score on CD yeah [TS]

  that's a great sports it's sort of john [TS]

  williams getting to revisit that that [TS]

  language that he he hadn't spoken in in [TS]

  years and it was really nice really [TS]

  more to the point there's a double CD [TS]

  edition of back that is vastly superior [TS]

  to the single the mission just but a [TS]

  terrible movie but a terrible [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  speaking of great scores for for bad [TS]

  films i mean our star trek is concerned [TS]

  there is a deluxe edition of the star [TS]

  trek 3 soundtrack that just came out a [TS]

  couple months ago [TS]

  terrible movie but it's a really good [TS]

  score and in some i add in some ways I [TS]

  think it maybe even a little bit better [TS]

  than Star Trek to because both of those [TS]

  were composed by james horner in the [TS]

  early part of his career before he [TS]

  started repeating himself and and if [TS]

  there's some notice some really really [TS]

  nice stuff on there and the difference [TS]

  between Star Trek to start 3 at least as [TS]

  far as the soundtrack goes is I think [TS]

  order had a larger orchestra to work [TS]

  with 43 than he did with two [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  you get the sense from the liner notes [TS]

  of the special edition of the star 2 [TS]

  soundtrack that corner was sort of hired [TS]

  because he was young and she and didn't [TS]

  give him anything to do there and then [TS]

  with the third one there like all right [TS]

  kid you proved yourself here have an [TS]

  orchestra right and it and it shows and [TS]

  in particular the queue where they're [TS]

  stealing the enterprise from oh yeah [TS]

  that that's a great great q and so that [TS]

  alone was was worth buying the deluxe [TS]

  edition for since the original [TS]

  soundtrack disc is long out of print but [TS]

  the the deluxe edition just came out I [TS]

  think it's still available i think it's [TS]

  reasonably priced wow I had both of [TS]

  those on tape on connecticut back in the [TS]

  day but but search or three not terrible [TS]

  by the way I think it's mediocre but I i [TS]

  don't think it was a terrible start to [TS]

  fly and which actually had Jerry [TS]

  Goldsmith revisiting his Star Trek the [TS]

  motion picture score now that's bad [TS]

  now let me tell you that the Star Trek [TS]

  the motion picture score i maintain is [TS]

  an awesome score and I have the two-disc [TS]

  set of that came out a couple several [TS]

  years ago now and I think that and i [TS]

  recently ripped it to my it to my [TS]

  computer since i rarely play CDs anymore [TS]

  and i just love that I mean not only for [TS]

  the fact that goldsmith created the [TS]

  theme that would then go on to be used [TS]

  as the theme for the next generation and [TS]

  even fact I think goldsmith version in [TS]

  the motion picture is slightly different [TS]

  and superior i would argue [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  but the whole sort of experimental [TS]

  aspects with the electronic aspects and [TS]

  you know dealing with the soundtrack for [TS]

  feature and all of the the sort of wacky [TS]

  parts i love i think it's great i think [TS]

  it is a fantastic score so i can't speak [TS]

  highly enough of that score though again [TS]

  the movie itself is weird and kind of [TS]

  mediocre yeah yeah that's the movie that [TS]

  really needed an editor at like one and [TS]

  then they released the special edition [TS]

  and it might want two minutes more high [TS]

  bias [TS]

  oh yeah yeah but the beauty of those [TS]

  flyby shots is that the music is quite [TS]

  quite points for entertaining and I've [TS]

  been trying to on your recommendation i [TS]

  do not actually own a copy of the star [TS]

  trek to score which I keep trying to [TS]

  find but it's not available anywhere as [TS]

  a electronic download right it was just [TS]

  the silver screen music CD the last CD [TS]

  that's the only CD I bought in the last [TS]

  three years is that is that because it [TS]

  was only available on CD is so [TS]

  frustrating i hate it when that happens [TS]

  but I thought I always thought was funny [TS]

  because you mentioned that the tape [TS]

  score and i remember that when i was in [TS]

  high school my friend Evan had a the [TS]

  tape of the star trek motion picture [TS]

  score and I borrowed that from him for a [TS]

  really long time and I think I even dug [TS]

  my own copy of it at one point onto [TS]

  cassette tape because i loved it someone [TS]

  here's a little-known fact and actually [TS]

  I don't know if been even knows this i [TS]

  was disappointed when they did the [TS]

  complete star trek to CD though that [TS]

  it's missing a track that was on my tape [TS]

  what's really on at the end of the [TS]

  second side of the cassette of the star [TS]

  trek to soundtrack boy were deep in the [TS]

  weeds aren't we [TS]

  it you know how on cassette tapes and [TS]

  records at the time but especially tapes [TS]

  you have side one inside too and they [TS]

  would be not quite the same length and [TS]

  you end up with like a big gap anh anh [TS]

  at the end of the tape that you have to [TS]

  fast-forward through if you have it over [TS]

  and listen again after about I think [TS]

  several minutes of silence at the end of [TS]

  the star 2 soundtrack there's like a [TS]

  three minute track that is like a pop [TS]

  remix of the theme of star trek to with [TS]

  drum machines and it's like up it i [TS]

  don't know where it came from i don't [TS]

  know who did it but my friends and I in [TS]

  high school thought it was really cool [TS]

  and we like a friend of mine made a [TS]

  montage of the best scenes of star trek [TS]

  to and and dubbed it over that that pop [TS]

  remix thing how is that not made it to [TS]

  youtube as well i don't think i have a [TS]

  copy of it anymore but but um uh or it [TS]

  would be on YouTube now but I it's funny [TS]

  and I so hoping somebody would explain [TS]

  the liner notes of what the heck that [TS]

  was even was because I don't even know [TS]

  if it appeared on the record but I know [TS]

  that it was hidden away with a secret [TS]

  bonus track on the tape of star trek to [TS]

  suit maybe james horner knows maybe he [TS]

  doesn't ever want that to be heard again [TS]

  yes I don't know ok let's talk Jackie [TS]

  know for one more minute though I i [TS]

  wanted to i'm curious what you think his [TS]

  best work is because he's done a lot of [TS]

  different film work now with Pixar with [TS]

  with Star Trek and and on on TV with [TS]

  lost any any opinions about that because [TS]

  I think incredible is the one that kills [TS]

  me because that's like I know perfect [TS]

  i'm john barry askah James Bond score [TS]

  with the brass and I i love the [TS]

  incredibles I don't own a lot of his [TS]

  albums but i will say that from you know [TS]

  my memories of watching the movie i [TS]

  thought that the score top was really [TS]

  fantastic and also just because i think [TS]

  you know my given my surpassing familiar [TS]

  with Jackie no I think that was very [TS]

  different from anything else I'd heard [TS]

  from at that point which was primarily [TS]

  like lost right and I and I thought that [TS]

  you know the up score would was so it [TS]

  was so sweet and and melodious and fit [TS]

  so well with the story that it really I [TS]

  really there's you know the theme that [TS]

  they played and you know the Oscars [TS]

  whenever they show a clip and they play [TS]

  sort of the central motif of that of the [TS]

  movie and it's just it's such a it's [TS]

  such a note-perfect beautiful little [TS]

  little piece [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  I just saw an interview with him where [TS]

  where I'm not sure whether it's it i [TS]

  could misinterpret what he said or [TS]

  whether he actually made it this way but [TS]

  the impression I got was that he [TS]

  believes that his score saved that movie [TS]

  because he believes that he tell you [TS]

  what he said was something like if I if [TS]

  I don't score the the montage right [TS]

  where you really forget feel the emotion [TS]

  of of the guy and his wife and their [TS]

  life together in him losing her [TS]

  he said by the time you get to the point [TS]

  where there are dogs hijacking airplanes [TS]

  you're just gonna be checked out and say [TS]

  and I thought it was really interesting [TS]

  and i'm not quite sure whether he was [TS]

  misquoted or what's going on because [TS]

  he's essentially saying any maybe right [TS]

  is that unless you make that emotional [TS]

  investment in that montage which is kind [TS]

  of amazing in which the music is a major [TS]

  part of because there is no dialogue [TS]

  there it is just the music and visual [TS]

  right right that that movie might not [TS]

  play as well if you if you don't get the [TS]

  emotional investment to ground you [TS]

  before you have talking dogs who are [TS]

  running around a a dirigible a Zeppelin [TS]

  if you will that makes that makes a lot [TS]

  of sense to me [TS]

  yeah I think this is probably my [TS]

  favorite and for just that reason I mean [TS]

  it really that you know that that first [TS]

  six seven minutes so that you know what [TS]

  that montage it just rips your heart [TS]

  right out [TS]

  it was just so good second second place [TS]

  might be the the ratatouille score which [TS]

  is just so charming and you know [TS]

  locative of this this world that they [TS]

  create in Paris but now i want to put in [TS]

  the good word for for the music that God [TS]

  had noticed which was his videogame work [TS]

  and the Medal of Honor series which I [TS]

  guess is like that you have 12 or 13 [TS]

  years old now and that that first medal [TS]

  of honor score which is on CD it's [TS]

  pretty easy to get i think it's even [TS]

  downloadable is really good and it you [TS]

  know it's really sounds like a film and [TS]

  it's really just it's really cool [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  actually Jason I like the incredible [TS]

  score but I I'm kind of its kind of [TS]

  third tier for me precisely because it's [TS]

  a little bit too derivative of John be [TS]

  right [TS]

  this is true this is true I i see what I [TS]

  love I love it I and I part of it is [TS]

  that i love that movie yeah and then one [TS]

  more thing that for time there I would [TS]

  have said that that it would be very [TS]

  difficult for him to go wrong and it's [TS]

  interesting that you brought up the [TS]

  interview which i'd love to track down [TS]

  and look at the you know that his music [TS]

  saved may have saved help save up which [TS]

  is interesting because his worst score [TS]

  by far has got to be landing lost which [TS]

  was abysmal e bad and the music sounds [TS]

  like it's written to the material if you [TS]

  if you hear it so he wasn't trying to [TS]

  save it he was just going with i guess [TS]

  so i saw the movie months after I [TS]

  because i have this kind of funny habit [TS]

  i tend to buy soundtracks before I see [TS]

  movies and sometimes I never get around [TS]

  to seeing the movie but i have the [TS]

  soundtrack but that was one where i had [TS]

  i bought the soundtrack the day it came [TS]

  out i downloaded from itunes the day [TS]

  came out and then saw the movie when it [TS]

  came out on DVD in it and almost didn't [TS]

  finish it it it's really terrible and [TS]

  the music is about this it's very uneven [TS]

  that's sort of you know he goes from [TS]

  slapstick to and it just feels like he [TS]

  kind of phone do then and the movies [TS]

  about like that to dan you were saying [TS]

  that you've been listening to the word [TS]

  temple of doom soundtrack yeah i just [TS]

  had that on this afternoon actually [TS]

  well you're to go they released a box [TS]

  set of all full of all that was all for [TS]

  you know I hate to admit this is worth [TS]

  that there's for the leader going on but [TS]

  of all ps4 Indiana Jones that come out [TS]

  yeah yeah I don't know it had something [TS]

  to do with that others Arthur said there [TS]

  was a skull and on there i have this box [TS]

  that has the scores for all for Indiana [TS]

  Jones movies and so I you know had [TS]

  ripped them off my computer and I like [TS]

  to find that they're really helpful [TS]

  working just because there's not there's [TS]

  no words or anything so you know you can [TS]

  kind of zone out [TS]

  have that running in the background and [TS]

  so I the Temple of Doom is the one that [TS]

  I am beast familiar with because i [TS]

  actually already owned copies of raiders [TS]

  and last crusade at you know that the [TS]

  album versions of those at when before I [TS]

  even got the box set [TS]

  I like that i was listening temple you [TS]

  because I don't know it as well as the [TS]

  others and I think you seen that movie [TS]

  recently by the way I tell you know I [TS]

  I'm not gonna lie i've actually only [TS]

  seen it maybe 15 only seen it once I [TS]

  it's never had a desire to revisit my [TS]

  now wondering if it's as bad as i [TS]

  remember honestly the first day I might [TS]

  with a very funny experience I had with [TS]

  this was that when i was in high school [TS]

  we used to do these like movie marathon [TS]

  nights for my friends birthday and so [TS]

  one times like will do you know we did [TS]

  Star Wars last year will do Indiana [TS]

  Jones this year and so we watch traders [TS]

  and then we put in Temple of Doom and [TS]

  watch the first 10 minutes right up to [TS]

  the part where they jump out of the [TS]

  plane and then they said the rest of [TS]

  this movie is no good he started [TS]

  everything we went on to Last Crusade i [TS]

  did see the first 10 minutes of it again [TS]

  on cable and i watched it up until they [TS]

  jump out of the plane and and then I [TS]

  said alright that's that entire first [TS]

  scene is fantastic and actually on the [TS]

  soundtrack i really loved the cake [TS]

  capture singing the Chinese version of [TS]

  anything-goes which is just kind of a [TS]

  it's a bizarre little kind of fun [TS]

  musical number one of the funniest [TS]

  things and in the entire Indiana Jones [TS]

  series is that is the moment I love that [TS]

  moment where he's standing at the door [TS]

  of the plane having finally escaped and [TS]

  he shouts nice trial oj and closes the [TS]

  door to reveal that he's on a lounge [TS]

  chair freight plane i love that it's so [TS]

  funny and then there in the plane and [TS]

  they jump out and it [TS]

  yeah i mean age actually the movie is [TS]

  not awful there are some great sequences [TS]

  in but it's still a pretty good score [TS]

  all things considered I don't think it [TS]

  resonates with me quite as much as the [TS]

  other two because i love those movies so [TS]

  much but i think you know [TS]

  say what you will and i know a lot of [TS]

  people you know don't necessarily have [TS]

  the all-embracing love John Williams [TS]

  that i have but i think you know even at [TS]

  his worst you know the worst you can say [TS]

  about a John Williams score is that it's [TS]

  you know constantly professional scorer [TS]

  you know it may not be one of his best [TS]

  works but at the same time [TS]

  I it's john williams and that [TS]

  automatically for me put it a cut above [TS]

  most most things [TS]

  if we had talked about scott pilgrim I [TS]

  would have talked about the scott [TS]

  pilgrim music was there haha yeah that's [TS]

  good music good you [TS]

  although let me tell you inception has [TS]

  music haha inception has music that beat [TS]

  you over the head until you are dead [TS]

  did you see that the youtube video about [TS]

  it though no this is a kind of all just [TS]

  because this is actually gonna talk [TS]

  about spoilers for inception but I but [TS]

  the music is is who is the composer Hans [TS]

  Zimmer oh it's hans zimmer yes and so [TS]

  what's fascinating about this that [TS]

  somebody notices so you know the sort of [TS]

  the main queue for that movie you've got [TS]

  the dawn dawn it's sort of like having a [TS]

  ponderous background and bring into your [TS]

  head turns out that's actually so you [TS]

  know in the music they use a in the [TS]

  movie they use the there's an Edith Piaf [TS]

  song that they used to synchronize I [TS]

  don't try to do this I can't wait to a [TS]

  spoiler I'm to synchronize the the kick [TS]

  yes right if you take the beginning of [TS]

  that song and slow it down [TS]

  that is what it sounds like and he did [TS]

  that kind of on purpose as it's [TS]

  fascinating go look at the there's a [TS]

  youtube video online somewhere of [TS]

  comparing the two and it's actually [TS]

  quite clever when you think of it that [TS]

  way i know it is kind of a we [TS]

  we're not particularly melodious a piece [TS]

  of music but I kind of appreciated it [TS]

  for that aspect of it i was going to say [TS]

  who wrote it for him sing well I [TS]

  obviously was that Edith Piaf song just [TS]

  slow down right we'll see that's the [TS]

  entire score you know it's to our two [TS]

  and it's like it's like that justin [TS]

  bieber song on twitter that that they [TS]

  slow down so it's 18 minutes long and [TS]

  suddenly it's a pure moods half an hour [TS]

  long and it's great and it's not [TS]

  attacked guitar oh it's great it's one [TS]

  of the most relaxing things I've heard [TS]

  in years [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  actually heard the it's the doctor who [TS]

  theme slow down to 110 that speed and [TS]

  that's great too [TS]

  that actually is you can tell where you [TS]

  are in the theme but you know it'll take [TS]

  45 minutes to get through it [TS]

  fantastic [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  more music should be played at 17 the [TS]

  speed perhaps except from Hans Zimmer [TS]

  yeah maybe not so much although I do [TS]

  love his idea of his score for the rock [TS]

  you love the rock though i do that do [TS]

  that might be on my list of terrible [TS]

  movies i was gonna say what's your [TS]

  suggestion was we should talk about [TS]

  movies that other people don't like that [TS]

  you like that's not even the worst movie [TS]

  that I like that other people hate sure [TS]

  I could go all around i think the rock [TS]

  was ok but I know there are a lot of [TS]

  people who it's it's it's you know i [TS]

  will say this it's michael bay's right [TS]

  it's michael bay's best work which [TS]

  cannot say much but or ok Dan you [TS]

  intrigue me with your words that [TS]

  suggests that there are other movies [TS]

  that you like the people hate anymore [TS]

  i'm gonna get castigated for this but [TS]

  one of my favorite movies of all of [TS]

  possibly of all time is a terrible bruce [TS]

  willis vehicle called hudson hawk is up [TS]

  is a fan decks significant because it's [TS]

  so so bizarre it is a movie that it's [TS]

  surreal and kind of you know filled with [TS]

  terrible like plays on words and and all [TS]

  sorts of like slapstick humor and yet I [TS]

  find utterly delightful and it was when [TS]

  it came out as i believe it was you know [TS]

  roundly panned by are pretty much [TS]

  everybody for being like you know Bruce [TS]

  Willis trying to basically make his own [TS]

  character movie franchise and and sort [TS]

  of like it was a vanity piece basically [TS]

  but a friend of mine introduced me to it [TS]

  either in high school or college and I [TS]

  don't know it's just it's so [TS]

  over-the-top and so campy that I just [TS]

  find it utterly you know delightful to [TS]

  watch and and kind of ridiculous eclairs [TS]

  it's a no and for those of you not [TS]

  familiar with it basically bruce willis [TS]

  plays a thief reform thief is so it [TS]

  starts with him getting out of prison [TS]

  who is then sort of hired by this [TS]

  mysterious benefactor to to steal things [TS]

  that belong to me in our davinci [TS]

  actually sounds plausible but the best [TS]

  the best part of this is that so his his [TS]

  partner his in crime is played by danny [TS]

  aiello [TS]

  and they do their robberies by a time [TS]

  their robberies synchronizing them by [TS]

  singing songs so there's this great [TS]

  number where they're robbing uh an [TS]

  auction house and singing swinging on a [TS]

  star [TS]

  dad it's fantastic and so it is so [TS]

  strange and entertaining [TS]

  I don't know it's that's one of my [TS]

  guilty pleasure I saw it for the first [TS]

  time this year actually some friend of [TS]

  mine said you got to see this now it's [TS]

  really not as bad as it is as you've [TS]

  heard it wasn't as bad as I've heard [TS]

  okay i'll give you that and and that [TS]

  particular robbery scene is one that [TS]

  kind of sticks in my mind but then you [TS]

  got Sandra bernhardt in there you know [TS]

  chewing up the scenery and yeah you can [TS]

  kind of see why it was really so reviled [TS]

  but at yeah it isn't it isn't as bad as [TS]

  as it's been made out to be but that [TS]

  doesn't make it any good but it's very [TS]

  delightful little turns from my favorite [TS]

  being james coburn as a his uh his [TS]

  character's name but he is it George [TS]

  cabin [TS]

  yeah it's an homage to North by [TS]

  Northwest and the just call yourself a [TS]

  fan I just like it slipped my mind and [TS]

  all the heat because i have to defend [TS]

  this movie with my with my life [TS]

  you're out of the hudson hawk fan club [TS]

  now what I'm the old any president and [TS]

  founder of secretary-treasurer yeah [TS]

  you're out anyway so right now there's [TS]

  nobody anymore [TS]

  who let you in it's my turn off the [TS]

  lights yeah it's a it's a it's a fun [TS]

  ridiculously terrible me and and you get [TS]

  to the end and there's a there's a scene [TS]

  which makes it all worthwhile because [TS]

  you can basically tell that they they [TS]

  know that this movie is is not even [TS]

  remotely serious where a character who [TS]

  you think is dead after seeing them like [TS]

  go off a cliff with like an exploding [TS]

  car so you know rides up of course kind [TS]

  of city and everything and they're like [TS]

  oh my god you're alive like how did you [TS]

  get out of the fire and they go [TS]

  sprinkler system and they're all like [TS]

  that's got to be it you know that it's [TS]

  like that [TS]

  I love that sort of sheer joyful moment [TS]

  of B we don't even believe this [TS]

  ourselves but we're having a good time [TS]

  wow well dan I might be want to be on my [TS]

  story podcast side I don't think I I [TS]

  don't I've got the 1i i'm such a are a [TS]

  rugged individualist that I actually [TS]

  don't know whether people like movies [TS]

  that I like nor do i care but i know [TS]

  that everybody hates em night Shyamalan [TS]

  and really why not [TS]

  but not only did I kind of like the [TS]

  village but I love unbreakable which i [TS]

  think is generally thought to have been [TS]

  a failure because it was just follow up [TS]

  to the sixties I thought it was [TS]

  well-received there but it's kind of a [TS]

  cult classic and i'll say that a cult [TS]

  classic seaside also want to note I'm [TS]

  gonna file that under cult classic [TS]

  because I I talk about unbreakable with [TS]

  some people in there like ugh you know [TS]

  just oh come on [TS]

  but I thought it was a great I one of [TS]

  the better superhero movies ever to be [TS]

  made because it wasn't you don't go in [TS]

  understanding that it is a superhero [TS]

  movie and it's only later that you [TS]

  discover that Bruce Willis there he is [TS]

  again is actually poncho man and you [TS]

  just didn't even know that poncho purple [TS]

  punch oh man was a superhero because he [TS]

  wasn't until you saw the movie and i [TS]

  realize that i will say that it's a [TS]

  fantastic movie let me try another one [TS]

  then I didn't think that watchman was [TS]

  terrible [TS]

  oh I although although that scene in the [TS]

  it with the music playing and with uh [TS]

  what is it hallelujah which is just [TS]

  destroyed that a that music entirely [TS]

  where they're having sex in the AL ship [TS]

  up in the sky was so terrible and I [TS]

  think there's some questionable casting [TS]

  decisions but you know I actually [TS]

  thought that was not I i I've lived with [TS]

  that comic book for a long time and I [TS]

  actually thought that that as film [TS]

  adaptations of I've imagined go it would [TS]

  probably have been it was not not a [TS]

  complete disaster i thought that it had [TS]

  its heart in the right place and parts [TS]

  of it worked pretty well and then other [TS]

  yeah they have any should've cast real [TS]

  actors instead of pretty on unknown [TS]

  people who were they should spend less [TS]

  money on some of their green screen work [TS]

  and maybe a little more money on alcohol [TS]

  though it had to you know I thought that [TS]

  was a movie that was flawed but [TS]

  ambitious and as a result I think you [TS]

  know there's something to be said for [TS]

  that [TS]

  it also does have a couple [TS]

  markable terms I thought out Jackie are [TS]

  highly as Rorschach is nicer a fantastic [TS]

  and probably the best performance in [TS]

  that entirely as opposed to the worst [TS]

  performance in the entire movie which is [TS]

  it a toss up between melon acre melon [TS]

  and who is you can't act her way out of [TS]

  a paper bag and matthew goode who is not [TS]

  a bad actor but you've hit the two [TS]

  biggest but he get in my face probably [TS]

  his accent changes like every five [TS]

  minutes in that movie and he just looks [TS]

  he just can't yell it in English its [TS]

  German its American it is English its [TS]

  but i agree that it's not it's not an [TS]

  awful movie I wouldn't say that I really [TS]

  liked it loved it or anything but you [TS]

  know I agree that it was kind of a noble [TS]

  failure that movie for me that actually [TS]

  diminished source material haha because [TS]

  I i left that I saw with a friend of [TS]

  mine yet you can look at Lori now [TS]

  without thinking of mail & Ackerman no [TS]

  vacant eyes of man cannot be best [TS]

  this is that no it actually 2222 see [TS]

  that movie on screen is to understand [TS]

  why more thought it couldn't and [TS]

  shouldn't have been made into a film [TS]

  because the to actually see it play out [TS]

  that way is to realize that there are [TS]

  some real incoherent aspects of the [TS]

  story so it sort of exposes it exposes [TS]

  parts of the story that maybe we're [TS]

  hidden in the in a comic write it but [TS]

  that but there are some real sins in [TS]

  that film that the greatest of which is [TS]

  to give to mail & Ackerman the most [TS]

  important Lyle in the entire book which [TS]

  was dr. Manhattan's line at the very end [TS]

  hey I remember what John said to me once [TS]

  about something that was none related to [TS]

  this at all one thing ever never ever [TS]

  really over [TS]

  no nothing's ever really / you know he [TS]

  told me that once haha yeah alright [TS]

  that's a no you want to eat i'm hungry [TS]

  that's gonna like let's do i'm gonna dye [TS]

  my hair and moved to California so yeah [TS]

  that yeah it had a lot of loss i said [TS]

  for years that the only way that [TS]

  watchman should ever be made into [TS]

  anything would be a 12-part like HBO [TS]

  series miniseries where they could do it [TS]

  in the twelve parts and tell these [TS]

  individual sort of story chunks with [TS]

  those [TS]

  endings and the cliffhangers that [TS]

  happened at the end of the chapters the [TS]

  issues from the comic there is some [TS]

  attempt you know the game of thrones by [TS]

  george RR martin is being made into an [TS]

  HBO series and I I look at that and say [TS]

  now that's I think that's how you how [TS]

  you have to do it or if you some of the [TS]

  band of brothers are the Pacific where [TS]

  there's a essentially a big mega [TS]

  miniseries I just think that the the [TS]

  concept was just going to be too [TS]

  expensive for them to do it so they end [TS]

  up making this movie instead [TS]

  and it's funny when you say that because [TS]

  the first thing I thought when you when [TS]

  you mentioned watchman is that that is [TS]

  my feeling on it's like wow you know [TS]

  this movie the best thing I can say [TS]

  about this movie is it makes me long for [TS]

  the day when they eventually we might [TS]

  not as a TV series in the Indian [TS]

  depreciated category and throughout kiss [TS]

  kiss bang bang [TS]

  how is that uh appreciate that's that is [TS]

  like one of the best movies like nobody [TS]

  even knows that exists right Shane [TS]

  Black's uh directed and written and he's [TS]

  got a bad reputation right from the sum [TS]

  of the didn't you do last action hero or [TS]

  something or you did some day he's got a [TS]

  bad like personal rep I feel like [TS]

  because I think he went through some bad [TS]

  stuff in the eighties but he also wrote [TS]

  I mean the original lead away which is [TS]

  actually a pretty darn good movie but [TS]

  that's that's a welcomer and robbins [TS]

  junior that's managed on him [TS]

  no I haven't and send the cue but it's [TS]

  very mellow yeah yeah I we recommended [TS]

  race on shocked the country actually [TS]

  because I didn't have high expectations [TS]

  I i had recommended by somebody in and i [TS]

  was i could not believe how good it was [TS]

  that was one of the last movie I saw [TS]

  multiple times in a movie theater i [TS]

  think i actually saw three times because [TS]

  i kept dragging other people to it being [TS]

  like you got to see this movie and last [TS]

  on my list of course spider-man 3 which [TS]

  is no I can't even he can't even pretend [TS]

  that this terrible funny though because [TS]

  you mentioned Sean and I was going to [TS]

  say not only do i like the village and [TS]

  unbreakable [TS]

  I like lady in the water and I'm [TS]

  definitely in the minority there I [TS]

  didn't although i will say that [TS]

  happening is a terrible movie [TS]

  I haven't seen it happening that will [TS]

  wear my own just don't know it's so bad [TS]

  it's a terrible movie I will I will [TS]

  argue that shaman is a is an excellent [TS]

  an extremely talented filmmaker I mean [TS]

  if you look at any of his movies not [TS]

  just you know from a writing perspective [TS]

  but from the perspective of a you know [TS]

  an officer the the films that he put [TS]

  together our [TS]

  so well they're well shot ya know so [TS]

  deliberate yes it's got you know really [TS]

  great total consistency for the most [TS]

  part he's just an excellent filmmaker [TS]

  but you know for whatever reason his [TS]

  last couple movies I mean I think it's [TS]

  unfortunate because like you said I [TS]

  think so much got banged on the name you [TS]

  know like after he made his reputation [TS]

  with six cents like everybody got to [TS]

  expecting a certain type of movie from [TS]

  the total and that lucky especially the [TS]

  whole like twist ending thing I think [TS]

  that unfortunately kinda kinda you know [TS]

  not enough foot yeah yeah because like I [TS]

  mean and and to be fair six cents [TS]

  unbreakable has a great twist ending [TS]

  that I you know I will say I did not see [TS]

  coming at all yet and that seems still [TS]

  gets me every time I last scene where [TS]

  it's just like oh my god you know this [TS]

  was not a coincidence [TS]

  yeah and so I mean I think he he makes [TS]

  great films and I think you know I [TS]

  certainly don't think we've heard the [TS]

  last of him he's got this but I don't [TS]

  know he's got this knight chronicles [TS]

  thing going which is I guess he's [TS]

  producing these films and they're sort [TS]

  of based on maybe some of his ideas but [TS]

  he's letting other people right and [TS]

  directed my first one of these is devil [TS]

  which is coming out [TS]

  I don't know when it's coming out this [TS]

  it's coming out soon yeah i mean i have [TS]

  to interject there because i went to see [TS]

  went to the movies last week and they [TS]

  played the trailer for this right right [TS]

  arm [TS]

  oh yeah and that the text came up [TS]

  because they don't say that he's not [TS]

  directing it you tried my internet [TS]

  channel and from the mind [TS]

  yes and he moves people booed it was [TS]

  good yeah it was booed when i was there [TS]

  everyone goes OH really you know like [TS]

  and and I'm surprised because this was [TS]

  not like a Peter where that I feel like [TS]

  there's there's a lot of bed often [TS]

  happening but man we all my friends and [TS]

  our kind of looked at each other like [TS]

  holding out we didn't realize that you [TS]

  know i mean we know that he's using his [TS]

  reputation and credibility has gone [TS]

  downhill but that was pretty brutal [TS]

  that's too bad i mean he's a he's a guy [TS]

  who's right for a comeback if he gets [TS]

  there although if you see the online [TS]

  there's a parody so that movies about [TS]

  like you know a bunch of people get shot [TS]

  like stuck in an elevator in a tall [TS]

  building and there's like a demon or [TS]

  something in there with them I don't [TS]

  know Devil's you be heated a parody of [TS]

  it [TS]

  um [TS]

  with people trapped on including himself [TS]

  in it of people trapped on an escalator [TS]

  which is actually pretty funny so [TS]

  there's like a two minute trailer of [TS]

  this movie about these three people get [TS]

  stuck on an escalator [TS]

  ya know canvas career be saved I I think [TS]

  he's got the talent so it's gonna give [TS]

  him five to ten years to sort of you [TS]

  know cool off fine go find himself and I [TS]

  think I think you'll see him come back [TS]

  with something that that will everybody [TS]

  will go [TS]

  hey remember I'm not java on that you [TS]

  bet you thought he was like dad or [TS]

  something out in this movie is good that [TS]

  that's that's the hope is us [TS]

  occasionally talk about I think he took [TS]

  it as a personal affront that [TS]

  unbreakable wasn't a hit but he noted [TS]

  talking occasionally about about doing a [TS]

  sequel which I would love because I love [TS]

  the first movie [TS]

  yea though I heard last I heard was that [TS]

  one of the ideas for this Knight [TS]

  Chronicles series was going to be [TS]

  somebody doing you know taking the [TS]

  idomeni he had taken the idea he had for [TS]

  a sequel and turning it into a separate [TS]

  unconnected movie cells too well he also [TS]

  said he still wants to do the sequel but [TS]

  that is idea is one idea for a villain [TS]

  that you had briefly thought about [TS]

  including in the first movie was going [TS]

  to be broken off but he said so because [TS]

  i think i saw the same interview I think [TS]

  you're talking about and I think he said [TS]

  so the unbreakable sequel will be [TS]

  something else [TS]

  so that's you know that's promising [TS]

  maybe they'll be nice i mean like i [TS]

  think the big as you said I think he [TS]

  took it very personally my cousin who's [TS]

  a huge movie aficionado you know will [TS]

  always point the scene and Lady of the [TS]

  water where that basically involves the [TS]

  sort of brutal killing of a film critic [TS]

  and say there's something wrong yeah and [TS]

  you've got to put that into a movie like [TS]

  clearly you know you have some issues [TS]

  that you need to work out and I think [TS]

  he's probably not wrong about that and [TS]

  and I hope that he works through those [TS]

  issues because again i do think he's a [TS]

  really talented filmmaker yeah I yes [TS]

  let's hide that that seem that seam is [TS]

  mystifying and terrible and in otherwise [TS]

  wonder movie that i really like but you [TS]

  know well again it had its faults it's [TS]

  it's a it's interesting because it's the [TS]

  sort of parable fairytale kind of movie [TS]

  all that it was not marketed as such [TS]

  which was one of the big reasons I think [TS]

  it fly faster but Stardust was better [TS]

  start us was I like to start us but I [TS]

  don't know there's something about [TS]

  leaving the water that it may have just [TS]

  been you know the point at which i saw [TS]

  or you know what was feeling good that [TS]

  day [TS]

  yeah i don't know i mean i really i [TS]

  thought it was really good and speaking [TS]

  of movies with a great score it has a [TS]

  fantastic score by James Newton Howard [TS]

  who does i think almost all the nice [TS]

  John with stuff i think i think it does [TS]

  involve yeah i like the young guy like [TS]

  the ingredients for yeah that's a great [TS]

  scores well he did that he did that too [TS]

  i think that they're good they're good [TS]

  pair i was thinking that you're talking [TS]

  about about Shana I was thinking I [TS]

  wonder if I wonder if Robert Rodriguez [TS]

  is so entering that period where you [TS]

  know some of his material is just a [TS]

  little bit too self-indulgent and [TS]

  not-so-great he's in his comfort zone [TS]

  right because he's just making movies [TS]

  for himself down in the down in Austin [TS]

  like your eyes in his house [TS]

  I i mean i'll say I liked I liked both [TS]

  Rodriguez half of a grindhouse and I saw [TS]

  machete this past week and actually [TS]

  thought it was pretty darn good [TS]

  I mean it's set up to do a certain thing [TS]

  and I think it really did that pretty I [TS]

  am [TS]

  no I i actually yeah I liked planet [TS]

  terror [TS]

  I mean of the two parts by the terror [TS]

  was the tighter and less sprawling of [TS]

  the two and i did see machete and I and [TS]

  I liked it more or less likely said he [TS]

  was a little bit little bit long little [TS]

  bit episodic but yeah I didn't I enjoyed [TS]

  it a great deal and i i i i laughed [TS]

  throughout and and i've since i have [TS]

  i've read a lot of a lot of the [TS]

  criticism of in particular some of the [TS]

  political criticism of men and it's kind [TS]

  of like a little bit too much but it's [TS]

  not bad it could be probably half an [TS]

  hour shorter than it is but yeah my [TS]

  friend said that cut 10 minutes of [TS]

  people talking and replace it with you [TS]

  no more killing people can be there [TS]

  yeah that's right that's right for a [TS]

  movie that started as a joke [TS]

  yes oh yeah joke time it fulfilled on [TS]

  exactly the movie you wanted to see [TS]

  after that trailer which was pretty [TS]

  impressive is he and host or is he just [TS]

  a wrong guy [TS]

  no no easy he's wrong he's an expert on [TS]

  ladies who has been left for dead and [TS]

  write comebacks comes back with his [TS]

  mature for revenge [TS]

  right you know what else is something [TS]

  you know what else is getting made hobo [TS]

  with a shotgun [TS]

  yes I heard that with whatever our [TS]

  director our looking about a hundred and [TS]

  fifty-five years old but and he's not a [TS]

  day over a hundred and seventy-five I've [TS]

  seen hobos on fire by the Grail road [TS]

  gate 5 i've heard the cries of a shotgun [TS]

  freaking out that have been in [TS]

  identifying release too many times I'm [TS]

  to cash in [TS]

  I had a conversation with somebody about [TS]

  blade runner the other day saying I you [TS]

  know maybe for me it's never been one of [TS]

  those like you know a lot of people side [TS]

  is such a great guy like me I i think [TS]

  it's I've enjoyed the one version of it [TS]

  that I've seen which was the director's [TS]

  cut version so i guess that's the middle [TS]

  version the version that was not the [TS]

  theatrical release for the voiceover but [TS]

  the version that was not the final cut [TS]

  that was really later it's like let me [TS]

  tell you that's a movie that's been [TS]

  released [TS]

  way too many times now and and also I i [TS]

  really dislike ridley scott from [TS]

  meddling in i think you know I'm very [TS]

  strong believer that once the movie [TS]

  leaves the hands of the filmmaker and [TS]

  enters that the audience that basically [TS]

  you should shut the hell up as a [TS]

  filmmaker I like the idea of saying look [TS]

  at that we hit we all hated the [TS]

  voiceover let's try it without right but [TS]

  i've heard people who say that they [TS]

  really like the voice-over version and [TS]

  that to them is a pure version because [TS]

  it was sort of the original and they [TS]

  think that you know there's a there's an [TS]

  aspect of the noir hard-boiled more [TS]

  detective to it that makes sense [TS]

  I've seen the original and the final cut [TS]

  of Blade Runner and so one with [TS]

  narration and one without [TS]

  and what I'll tell you is while I [TS]

  appreciated things about them and some [TS]

  of the dialogue and and the art [TS]

  direction i find both of them sleep [TS]

  inducing and in fact both times i [TS]

  inflicted this moving on my wife she [TS]

  fell asleep [TS]

  both times that's a that's a perfect [TS]

  batting average of putting my wife to [TS]

  sleep and really driving me close to the [TS]

  edge of sleep to I if we were talking [TS]

  about movies that i think are overrated [TS]

  i have to say it I think blade runner's [TS]

  is as fascinating as it is or [TS]

  psychologically they had I I don't [TS]

  really like it based on a book that is [TS]

  that is very different from the movie [TS]

  yeah very clearly has a very different [TS]

  vision from philip k dick original novel [TS]

  and I think that's again the [TS]

  the reason that I mean I just don't I [TS]

  you know really Scott basically came out [TS]

  one point said I think you know [TS]

  decorative woman you know i won't go [TS]

  which way not going to sense come on [TS]

  you're not gonna sound this point no no [TS]

  I'm not that old he thinks the doctored [TS]

  was a replicant right yeah and it's like [TS]

  well I mean I you know I respect that as [TS]

  his own interpretation but i think that [TS]

  you know it's basically again once it's [TS]

  out of your hands like you know shut the [TS]

  hell up and let the audience like I feel [TS]

  because the movie leaves it kind of you [TS]

  know ambiguous and well I know the first [TS]

  15 years I knew about that movie I [TS]

  didn't even give that a serious bit of [TS]

  consideration as possibility so I i find [TS]

  it ambiguous yeah okay that's very did [TS]

  but I mean I think you know I think that [TS]

  it should be left up to the audience to [TS]

  make their own interpretation that's [TS]

  that's my opinion that you know the way [TS]

  that the filmmaker should not interfere [TS]

  with that right but you know what the [TS]

  score holds up pretty well [TS]

  see that's part of the reason that I I [TS]

  pass out when i try to watch it is that [TS]

  there's no Angeles yeah to put me just [TS]

  wants me to pull it's actually not it's [TS]

  it's actually just his chariots of fire [TS]

  theme slowed was gonna say that would be [TS]

  awesome be awesome you just remade that [TS]

  movie with the chariots of fire theme [TS]

  and said no now let's know it 17 species [TS]

  into the score listen to the score on [TS]

  its own [TS]

  let's go to score on sounds trip [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  are there any movies that are that are [TS]

  on the way or that you've seen recently [TS]

  that are coming to video that you would [TS]

  like to recommend to our massive [TS]

  incomparable movie audience who is [TS]

  already shut off their ipods and putting [TS]

  them into the sea because this podcast [TS]

  has gone on too long [TS]

  kickass kick-ass just add on well DVD i [TS]

  think it's big enough now for a lot of [TS]

  time people here is probably what a [TS]

  month six weeks but so you like kick-ass [TS]

  with the tablet with a foul mouth little [TS]

  girl [TS]

  yeah yeah and actually that was the [TS]

  thing where I i wasn't really familiar [TS]

  with the graphic novel on which it was [TS]

  based but um read the graphic novel [TS]

  before I saw the movie and so I kind of [TS]

  a new kind of what to expect going in [TS]

  and it it improved some things on the [TS]

  graphic novel and it and it makes some [TS]

  compromises but I think for the most [TS]

  part of the improvements outweigh the [TS]

  deficiencies and I thought it was it was [TS]

  really good and kind of looking forward [TS]

  to the sequel i will say that i think [TS]

  the first two-thirds of it is excellent [TS]

  and then I think it kind of last act it [TS]

  loses its way a little bit a bit a bit [TS]

  but it if it's such a great like parody [TS]

  not like parody satire on on the whole [TS]

  superhero genre for about the first [TS]

  two-thirds three-fourths of it and then [TS]

  the last act really turns it into wait [TS]

  now you're actually making a superhero [TS]

  movie and so you kind of become the [TS]

  thing that you're satirizing and I think [TS]

  that's where it lost me but i think that [TS]

  the first two-thirds of it is really [TS]

  really good [TS]

  ya know and the actors are great in it [TS]

  and you know Nick Cage hams it up [TS]

  beautifully and now it's um it's it's [TS]

  well worth seeing and I'm gonna watch it [TS]

  again on DVD pretty soon but too well [TS]

  worth it not worth it all right what [TS]

  about you Dan [TS]

  I'm sort of flipping through and seeing [TS]

  with what's coming out soon because I [TS]

  think there were a couple things coming [TS]

  out in a in the next month or two that i [TS]

  did want to see you want to see that [TS]

  movie about the owls that saved the [TS]

  magical fairyland that was totally one [TS]

  of them how did you know in a way where [TS]

  this razor one with chihuahuas [TS]

  I I don't share their personal foul [TS]

  remotely was with two was in it I think [TS]

  the two that I sort of see as I flipping [TS]

  through what's coming out is there's a [TS]

  movie coming out called [TS]

  hold up buried with ryan right yeah yeah [TS]

  which has a it's basically about a guy [TS]

  who gets you know sort of the divers [TS]

  like a military contractor and iran iraq [TS]

  i think it's like kidnapped and buried [TS]

  basically in a coffin and it's got this [TS]

  fascinating [TS]

  it's got some great trailers to you know [TS]

  very atmospheric there's an aspect of it [TS]

  that you know they've been really [TS]

  playing up in a lot of the posters and [TS]

  and trailers almost AAA saul bass sort [TS]

  of like ethic design ethic that reminds [TS]

  you of like the old Hitchcock openings [TS]

  and I think there is something sort of i [TS]

  like to be I love those movies that are [TS]

  based on those really really constrained [TS]

  sets i think of I think again of his [TS]

  cock movies like a rope and lifeboat [TS]

  where it's really confined into ace a a [TS]

  single location and it and i think [TS]

  especially for a movie that is this is [TS]

  clearly a little really claustrophobic [TS]

  I think that that that's a really [TS]

  interesting idea so I have no idea if [TS]

  it's good or not but it said it strikes [TS]

  me as something that's that's different [TS]

  and unique and I don't know if Reynolds [TS]

  has what it takes to pull it off but i [TS]

  think that's I would certainly be [TS]

  interested finding out and then the [TS]

  other thing i think i was really [TS]

  interested in seeing was actually the [TS]

  social network because i think i really [TS]

  like David Fincher I think he's a he's a [TS]

  very talented director and it strikes [TS]

  and I like the guy who they get slightly [TS]

  to jesse eisenberg who last year was in [TS]

  zombieland and did a fantastic job in [TS]

  that movie and if you ever want to see [TS]

  him in another really good roll movie [TS]

  called rodger dodger that he did many [TS]

  years ago with Campbell Scott is also [TS]

  really good and so those are converted [TS]

  the interesting intersection of that [TS]

  along with this story of I don't know is [TS]

  the story of facebook is really that [TS]

  interesting but the idea that you know [TS]

  it interested both venture and aaron [TS]

  sorkin who wrote the screenplay enough [TS]

  to make a movie out of it suggests to me [TS]

  that there is there something there [TS]

  news broke this week or or maybe last [TS]

  week as you're listening to this dear [TS]

  listener for that a deal has been cut [TS]

  between Stephen King yes soul and Brian [TS]

  Grazer and Ron Howard and they are going [TS]

  to make the dark tower not as a movie [TS]

  and not as a TV series but as a movie [TS]

  and a TV series in another movie and [TS]

  another season of a TV series and [TS]

  another movie this is this is the most [TS]

  ambitious thing I've heard since the [TS]

  week before when they announced that [TS]

  they were going to turn Sandman into a [TS]

  TV show and then we'll save that for [TS]

  another podcast yeah we'll save that for [TS]

  another podcast but still i love the [TS]

  dark tower and and I you know if it's [TS]

  going to be done then I agree that it [TS]

  needs to be done in a suitably sprawling [TS]

  epic fashion and honestly I could spend [TS]

  an entire podcast talking about the dark [TS]

  tower but not this but not this one but [TS]

  you know a separate separate the road I [TS]

  I just in some ways even with the you [TS]

  know people like Ron Howard you know [TS]

  names like that behind it [TS]

  part of me wonders if this will ever get [TS]

  done just because it's so ambitious [TS]

  yeah and and there's a lot of talk about [TS]

  it and and previously in fact the the [TS]

  rights were held by JJ Abrams and garlic [TS]

  you say yeah and so they couldn't figure [TS]

  out how to get a handle on it and after [TS]

  several years and so you know i think [TS]

  Howard's you know Ron Howard is a you [TS]

  know has made some good movies in the [TS]

  past but he's also you know turned out a [TS]

  lot of really really bland studio [TS]

  pictures in recent years and so it's [TS]

  it's a weird pairing from that regard to [TS]

  see him involved in that and akiva [TS]

  goldsman who is the writer has quite a [TS]

  spotty resume in space [TS]

  I believe those who wrote the Batman and [TS]

  Robin Thicke get lost in space Batman [TS]

  and Robin but also beautiful mind a [TS]

  beautiful mind and actually is already [TS]

  gun parts of French yeah actually [TS]

  brought some so up and down up and down [TS]

  yeah but interesting I I think it's a [TS]

  great idea and the idea that they would [TS]

  cast they were [TS]

  cast the people and they would be in the [TS]

  movies and TV shows and they would shoot [TS]

  it I presumably in advance my guess is [TS]

  to the TV series would be one of these [TS]

  13-episode jobs and not like a full [TS]

  sprawling 22-episode kind of thing and [TS]

  that they would shoot in an extended [TS]

  period of time they would shoot a movie [TS]

  and some episodes and then another film [TS]

  with the same crew and cast which is I [TS]

  think never been done so and yeah any [TS]

  obviously that would be a lot for an [TS]

  actor to to commit to so I find it in [TS]

  i'm gonna find it really interesting to [TS]

  see what they get for that i read an [TS]

  interview with Stephen King today asking [TS]

  him about it and asking him one of the [TS]

  questions they asked him was well how do [TS]

  you feel about this on you know NBC as [TS]

  opposed to something like HBO because [TS]

  this is you know the dark tower is a [TS]

  pretty grim at times violent and brutal [TS]

  a piece of work and you know can you do [TS]

  that justice on on broadcast television [TS]

  as opposed to on you know what something [TS]

  like HBO and he said well you know every [TS]

  time I i feel like i've worked on in an [TS]

  environment like that which is [TS]

  constrained me a little bit really [TS]

  challenges me to find a creative [TS]

  solution and so I think he seemed sort [TS]

  of intrigued in the challenges that that [TS]

  would raise me i'm on a little more [TS]

  skeptical maybe of how that's going to [TS]

  pan out but I i think it will it will [TS]

  certainly be interesting to see all [TS]

  right I predict we'll all be mummies by [TS]

  the time comes yeah that's that's right [TS]

  but the good news ben is that mummy [TS]

  vision will launch by then and we'll be [TS]

  able to see it in our tombs in our [TS]

  sarcophagi well you know that you have [TS]

  to put on the 3d wrap around your head [TS]

  see it in full 3d in my vision [TS]

  alright well I think that we've done [TS]

  enough damage for one day until the next [TS]

  installment of the uncomfortable podcast [TS]

  i want to thank my guess [TS]

  dan born thank you you're welcome that [TS]

  wait that doesn't make any sense and ben [TS]

  boychuk thanks for having me thank you [TS]

  very much [TS]

  this is jason smell thanks for listening [TS]

  to the incomparable see you next time [TS]

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