The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the incomparable podcast episode 7 / [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► 2010 we are back on the incomparable [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► podcast and today we're going to be [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► talking about TV [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► joining me here is serenity Caldwell ren [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► welcome hello thank you [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► and by the magic of the interwebs we [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► have from the great state of [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► Massachusetts dan more'n hi Jason and [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► John siracusa greetings everyone [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► are you sitting next to each other or [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► you in your separate locations if only [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► yes you'll never know already sitting [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► next to each other alright I like to [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► imagine it that way so the the topic is [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► TV and I think we we all decided to [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► correct me if I'm wrong that we were [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► going to talk about the fall TV season [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► you know I used to be so excited about [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► the fall TV season when it when it [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► happened and the new shows that were [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► coming on and I cannot imagine a a fall [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► season that I have been less interested [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► in then this one is there anything for [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► me to be excited about this fall [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► well it's a little weird right because [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► that the TV landscape has changed a lot [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► in the last few years and I think that [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► especially now with the cable networks [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► we see so many shows that debut [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► out-of-season like summer shows shows [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► the debut debut midseason that it's [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► really not as concentrated as it used to [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► write used to be every fall you know [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► that's when the new shows came out right [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► but this stuff is very sprinkled [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► throughout the year now and so you know [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► I'm sure that the major a lot of the [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► stuff aired on the major broadcast [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► networks still comes out in the fall but [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► yeah it's been it's been a little [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► lackluster I feel like this year i think [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► a lot of the better shows that are [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► coming out are the cable shows really at [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► this point the broadcast networks have [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► have kind of put themselves in a strange [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► position where they have to appeal to so [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► many so many people but it really takes [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► like a mega-hit to make it i find it [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► funny that the the broadcast networks [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► still are trying to do something that [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► you could consider [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► sort of fantasy or sci-fi even though it [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► that I think that I suspect that the [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► fantasy sci fi audience isn't large [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► enough to actually satisfy any broadcast [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► network and yet they still try well I [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► find their uh I find that desperation [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► endearing don't you like this and like [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► the networks are just you know we've got [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► to do something to get people to watch [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► us because we're not capable and we [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► can't cursor have nudity right but this [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► isn't even see me crying they'll try [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► sorts of crazy ideas and I I don't know [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► why they keep going back to fantasy sci [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► fi you're kind of right like even if you [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► have a wildly successful show you won't [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► get enough viewers but they see things [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► like lost inside you know it can be done [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► right that's the dream you know right [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► it's possible and the number of if you [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► look at the movie industry the number of [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► successful especially blockbuster movies [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► that are at least science fiction you [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► might argue or a fantasy is actually [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► pretty large I mean things like Star [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► Trek and Star Wars obviously being you [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► know at the top of that was all the [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► blockbusters right all the movie [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► westerns they always on the move like [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► sci-fi edge or something right so you [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► can't argue even though people do that [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► people don't like the sci-fi or that or [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► the genre stuff because those are the [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► huge hits of the summer but on TV it [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► seems like you can't get more than a few [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► million people to watch one of those [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► shows while they like it into our chunks [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► you know some fantasy thing happens as a [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► hero to villain a fight in two hours [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► it's over if you're gonna get them [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► coming back week after week I think [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► people have shown what they want to [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► happen are you know fights between [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► mothers and daughters and unwanted [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► pregnancies indonesia and all the things [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► you see on like dogs here shows that [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► lawyers cops cops that top show is [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► remanded and murder in just human drama [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► are the longest lasting shows with those [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► ridiculous soap operas the ones that run [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► for like 50 years being that the obvious [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► example that you can just keep the show [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► going forever so I think the more [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► interesting is that the story is the [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► smaller doses the public wanted to be in [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► which kind of gets eventually to the [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► whole lost backlash in anger you know [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► the funny funny thing is that they've [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► tried to mix them to write we had like [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► space lawyers and space cops and space [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► doctors and those haven't worked either [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► so people don't even want their lawyers [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► in space which way there was there were [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► spaced lawyers don't remember Spacely [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► where there's basically I thought [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► that there was a I thought that was the [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► show wasn't it wasn't on ebay stories [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► the watcher lawyers right your lawyer I [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► was at like century century city that's [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► God why do I know that future lawyers [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► lawyers from the future where their [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► argument that means a clever idea right [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► it's like they're arguing cases that you [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► could sort of extrapolate from the [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► present and the future about like what [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► if there was a case about clones and who [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► wanted to be free and not be used as [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► organ donors again that's more on the [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► subjects and the sci-fi subjects and it [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► is the characters I mean you look at the [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► old cereals like Flash Gordon and things [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► like that and I mean that did kind of [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► have a serial of the week kind of thing [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► that everybody likes so much and stuff [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► like bones and castle and that you know [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► typical cop dramas you have the series [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► like the the big sort of action ideas [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► that everybody's trying to cram into [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► television this season they kind of [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► forget about the human and it tastes [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► like the human atmosphere even lost [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► I mean the thing that people champion so [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► much about lost a zoo the mysteries are [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► pretty but we really theoretically care [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► about are the characters and I think [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► that plays into kind of tvs need who [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► it's all about the crossover forwards [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► law-and-order Atlantis [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► Oh God hmm that's terrifying [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► it will sell though people watch the [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► sound effect there isn't like Clint love [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► da ya slow plugging a slogan of death [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► that's right is this is there like a [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► fish whose the the judge murmur man if [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► you will I'm well i was thinking like a [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► normal justice and an alligator bailiff [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► I think this is gold i think i think the [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► studio should be lining up at the door [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► dick wolf is already on that he's [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► already printing money and we get [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► nothing because he gets all the [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► law-and-order money so despite this [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► insanity or because of this insanity [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► there are some genre TV shows this fall [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► NBC is trying its level best to [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► duplicate lost [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► although it it's fear is that it's going [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► to duplicate flash forward with the [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► event [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► hey Jason what is the event [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► unfortunately you cannot be told the [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► event you know great experience oh yeah [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► that's right rule one of the event is [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► that nobody talks about the event [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► I say talk about little I i don't know i [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► mean the event it do i I saw the second [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► episode of the event actually and i miss [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► the pilot and I saw the second episode [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► although sometimes the second episode [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► tells you a lot because if the second [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► episode pilots can often be good and [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► they spend lots of money on them right [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► and then they do the second episode and [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► they have a real budget and they they [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► are a second episode is very always very [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► illuminating yeah and it's hard i mean [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► they tend to be bad even good shows the [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► second episode tends to be bad because [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► I've got to find their footing as a [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► series anyway I saw it and I i just had [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► that moment of like about my wife just [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► that this is ridiculous i'm not watching [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► this and and I was like well you know [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► it's kind of vaguely compelling in a way [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► that I felt about flash forward for a [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► while and then but it just seems like [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► it's a smattering of of various plot [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► points and some wacky I mean there's [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► definitely wackiness they they really [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► downplayed whether it was a sci-fi or [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► not and and then of course at the end of [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► the of the pilot and airplane disappears [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► through a wormhole [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► oh I think it is sci-fi ask your eyes it [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► is definitely science fiction and there [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► are and there's like a population of of [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► people who might be aliens or not and [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► then a lot of people jump to the [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► conclusion of their aliens but they've [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► got our DNA they're just slightly [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► different so are they from the future [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► which makes it sort of like the 4400 [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► that cable show which was about people [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► from the future I think coming back [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► something like that so you have you guys [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► seen it have you guys seen you have been [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► watching every episode because I'm that [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► desperate for sci-fi and television and [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► I don't know why I find myself compelled [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► to watch the shows fringes another one [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► then I guess we'll talk about later but [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► i just want to see this type of story on [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► television and no matter how badly done [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► it is for example i watched all [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► flash-forward I will watch it on the [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► event i think is going to be another [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► cautionary tale and it's going to be it [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► could be like an a prototypical [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► cautionary tale of what not to do when [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► you're trying to duplicate the [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► successful of a program like lost [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► because they are doing all the exact [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► same things you would do if you were [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► trying to imitate lost but go overboard [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► let's get all the ridiculousness of lost [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► crashing when you're gonna actually [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► matched with the realism of 24 [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► yeah and they put it in the trailer the [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► second I wish I could remember the [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► tagline but they say something to the [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► effect the subtext of what that said [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► that tagline is is unlike that show lost [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► we won't keep secrets from you forever [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► and drive you crazy we're going to tell [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► you everything up front so by the third [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► episode they revealed more than lost in [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► three seasons right and i think that [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► maybe their their eventual undoing to a [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► certain yeah like you begin to think [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► that questions the questions on this [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► show could potentially be interesting [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► except they are answering them really [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► quickly and I think the one thing that [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► this does seem to lack so far that that [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► is Ren said that lost really had going [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► for it was characters and we don't have [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► that on this show yet i think there are [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► some good actors but like they're not [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► necessarily people is not necessarily a [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► character I feel like really invested in [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► which ones are good actors what magical [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► and mystical thing happened in the first [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► in a first season of lost what could you [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► point to how many sci-fi elements are [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► there in that first season of loss right [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► there are things I can always on my [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► lawyer there's no way there's there's a [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► monster that might or might not be [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► supernatural and there's walk walking [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► right and as the polar bear and the [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► horse that's not so how do ya thats just [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► a great girl and mr. but an exotic is [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► not specifically sci-fi my point being [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► that they took 22 hours to emotionally [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► tell character stories with a little [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► tinge of of you know sci-fi is a nice [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► i'm making hand gestures that ring gonna [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► see and it's disconcerting when the when [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► the uncomfortable is not just an audio [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► podcast anyway uh you know they have the [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► time with the with the characters and [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► and i feel like these other shows one of [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► the problems with thought flash forward [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► with the event is that they don't have [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► enough confidence in their ability to be [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► a good show without all the flashing the [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► bang and so they drop in all the crazy [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► sci-fi elements and are missing what I [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► think made lost work at least for some [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► people for a while because I know John [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► feels totally ripped off by lost but um [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► but they did at least you got to admit [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► that they spend time with these [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► characters and yeah i think that that [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► show does not pay off at all if you're [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► not invested in the characters are you [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► know totally I know that's pretty much [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► what but the payoff is if you believe [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► there to be a pale and I think that yeah [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► definitely the event doesn't have that [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► yet it really has an established a [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► strong case for it going in it does [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► still have some great story hooks i have [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► to say that I think that you know I've [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► watched all three episodes i guess and [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► the though at least the most recent one [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► the cliff the sort of my last seen that [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► they review on is a great scene it just [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► is really one of those sort of whoa [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► what's going on your scenes and not to [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► like keep hooking you in for that next [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► show but they'll resolve it within the [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► first scene of the next show right maybe [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► I got even down this was a kid like I [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► was bottled my mind was bottle when they [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► were like hitting it there that maybe [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► these people infiltrating certain ranks [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► like they dropped the hint at first when [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► they drop it verbally they say hey you [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► know they have some guys say on camera [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► there maybe you know who knows how [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► deeply they've infiltrated the very next [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► scene like yep that's kind of what they [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► spend you know there's like four [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► episodes not revealing who Ben was when [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► he was a henry gale or whatever like for [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► a parabola to that this is not the same [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► as which seems without giving away the [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► answer but don't worry because they have [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► like 50 more questions to pull out more [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► about this okay we answer that board [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► about this okay we answer that you can't [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► build the show on that you're going down [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► a check coughing all the wrong things [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► about lost reminded me a little bit of [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► heroes actually which was sort of in its [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► first season people said see it's like [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► lot it's not it's like lost but better [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► because they are answering questions [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► since like yeah they're there they are [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► answering questions that's one thing you [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► get when you many questions nobody [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► nobody watches and we're gonna get any [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► more ice and eventually just becomes [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► ridiculous like three episodes and it's [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► already kind of ridiculous you have you [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► can't name a show the event and then you [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► know you're really gonna find out what [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► the event is or not and at this rate [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► we're going to find out what the event [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► is in two episodes and then what are [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► they going to do I guess they'll be [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► cancelled that so and what you got us [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► but talk about the acting you've got [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► Jason Ritter running around basically [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► saying where's my girlfriend with my [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► girlfriend you've got blair Underwood [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► saying I'm the president [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► i'm the president and then you've got [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► laura innes who I think was cast in this [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► because she sort of talks like an alien [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► so let her be an alien all right [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► elko evonik who is my favorite the [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► creepy City Security Advisor guy [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► yes that's his third party was born to [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► play while United States basically [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► played that part in in the first season [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► of 24 too i think are roughly about that [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► some other equally sinister oh yeah I [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► was the Magister under blood or it may [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► be yeah i think so I it's funny because [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► I first saw him in homicide where he was [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► a good guys everywhere and anybody is [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► almost always a bad guy and but he was [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► introduced to me as a good guy on [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► homicide [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► and so now it's always am always [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► disappointed because I was like he might [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► be a good guy he might not be evil and [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► he's always evil and it's too bad [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► because you know on homicide he was a [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► good guy [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► why do you think it's something [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► interesting to be said for the event [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► that intern at least for me I've watched [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► three episodes i can think of everybody [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► by their character their character [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► archetypes but i cannot in any way think [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► of their names i can't think of Jason [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► others named in the like his character [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► named justin was writing his [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► girlfriend's name is Lila or leila or [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► something like that and i can't remember [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► I can't remember his name I can't [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► remember the cops like I can't remember [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► any i can remember the president's name [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► although i don't think that president [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► Taylor Underwood's that's the point we [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► remember the actors and we remember I [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► mean if it's a good character drama it [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► you should be able to remember [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► characters you should not have to resort [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► to television without your drama poses [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► like a it's like a video game we're all [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► it is is set pieces and cutscenes right [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► well I mean it's never intentional I [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► gameplay there's a difference between [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► relying on actors and relying on [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► characters right like you know there are [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► solid actors in that show but they're [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► not playing characters and remanding [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► wayside internet to say exposition and [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► look out and come here and I have to [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► find my girlfriend and then you know the [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► people who are given any exit that this [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► dramatic scenes between people were [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► someone has information that the other [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► person doesn't want to have and they do [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► nothing with them like think of all the [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► scenes with the henry lost where they [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► have this big dance with so many [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► different characters trying to figure [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► out if it's legit or not that's good [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► writing that's the way you do that in [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► this show is just by the numbers guy [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► goes into the room I need to know the [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► answers now is I'm the president I can [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► tell you've seen over [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► well that's not a show i think i think i [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► was trying to think about how lost would [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► do it but the problem is that i think [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► there's also just fear involved in the [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► creative choices being made here because [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► they're afraid they're going to get [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► cancelled so quickly so they try to [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► trying to make an impression but the [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► problem is if you if you run that pace [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► too long like John what you said that [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► they will run out of things to talk [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► about and and you know I when I think [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► about what loss would do with something [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► like the event I think okay there's a [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► really great story in these people who [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► were being kept in that camp in Alaska [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► or wherever and and and then discovering [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► that they were not actually quite human [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► and all of that and yet you know that's [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► just tossed off and then they move on [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► with you no more people running through [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► the desert next [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► lotions and car chases and and people [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► escaping from the police and and stuff [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► that's sort of your bog-standard action [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► device which is why I think you know [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► what they're really trying to do is is [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► is do 24 more than they're trying to do [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► lost which was a completely although not [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► really a genre show in the sense of [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► being you know explicitly fantastic it [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► was also something that was completely [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► fantasy and could never possibly happen [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► and was just wall-to-wall action [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► the event is really reminds me of one of [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► my favorite sort of apocryphal stories [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► about about the Olive Garden of all [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► places which is to say is that there's [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► this this law is sort of you know urban [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► legend type story i don't know if this [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► is true enough but i love the idea of [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► this story which is that they spent you [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► know they spent a million dollars trying [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► to make their sauce [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► they're like red pasta sauce as bland as [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► possible so that there's many people as [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► possible with like it which i just i [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► mean i think that's that's such a a [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► microcosm of all these issues of we're [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► going to try to make this program as [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► kind of inoffensive as possible in terms [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► of not like riling up anybody or not [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► doing anything particularly innovative [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► so that people will watch it like so [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► that it's not necessarily bad but it's [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► just kind of bland they don't want to [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► challenge the audience that's the thing [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► I lost lost would challenge the audience [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► are not one good example of that is they [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► see that are lost always did flashbacks [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► let's do flashbacks my first of all they [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► don't they forgot the reason loss was [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► doing the flashbacks was for character [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► development they never do them for [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► character development on the event and [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► seconds every time they have a flashback [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► a title comes flying at you in 3d [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► I'll tell you exactly tell you look at [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► how long ago I wasn't it's comical like [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► 10 minutes ago it seemed minutes ago [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► 22 minutes ago that is the funny hopping [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► about that show it is it makes me laugh [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► at you can do a drinking game based on [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► that is seriously like 10 minutes before [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► three minutes later eight days earlier [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► for years earlier wait don't tell us [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► what's the city we can figure it out [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► from context if you write it while lost [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► never did that lost change scenes and [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► you had no idea and I wasn't totally [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► started to talk that's the point though [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► is like in a show like lost they treated [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► the audience is smart enough as if we're [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► flashing to 1944 you're going to be able [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► to tell by the clothing you the costume [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► choices and you're going to be able to [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► tell because someone's gonna drop it in [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► dialogue you don't need to tell somebody [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► by three [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► when the words at them or are by what [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► they seem to know they seem to think [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► this person is still alive this seems [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► not know about exit must be before why [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► like you know just it's the event is so [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► dumb down that there's nothing left to [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► do except to just watch events unfolded [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► i feel like i could get a synopsis of [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► the event and I'm the one they should [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► have just called it events that would be [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► a good name through a series of events [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► that are happening [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► um ok so let's move on and talk to you [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► what you wanna talk about dumb shows [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► because i don't want to follow that [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► oh ok go ahead I i have a list here but [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► you can you can drive your color go [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► ahead is no is no ordinary family and in [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► fact it's funny that you should mention [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► again because i was about to say so no [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► no ordinary family is another show that [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► sort of a bizarre fusion actively dump [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► the incredibles and well really the [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► incredibles is is the is the mode it's a [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► live-action version of The Incredibles [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► which itself was sort of a watch men [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► happy Fantastic Four kind of thing again [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► it was in fun right it had good [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► characters it was funny it had something [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► to go for it where is no ordinary family [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► like forget subtext barely has text so I [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► guess what I'm fast as you know I out so [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► I watched the pilot and i kinda liked it [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► i mean let me let me say that back it up [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► and their credit they don't come on i [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► can take it but bring it on it has some [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► of the worst dialogue [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► yes some of the most like terrible [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► character development again no subtext [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► no response [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► I admit there are couple things in the [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► show where I thought usually sort of the [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► twist part oh yeah oh ok that's kind of [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► interesting there were some references [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► in there that I thought were good there [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► was some like comic book and and [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► pop-culture references that were not [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► yelling graph that were just like oh i [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► see what they did there which is not [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► migrate all that what happened yes there [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► was all there were playing with [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► micronauts and in fact the only show i [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► can that's made reference to the [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► Micronauts actually as freaks and geeks [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► and for that I will always love it but [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► there's like a watchman reference at one [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► point that you could you but you have to [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► know the ride kicks are so much more [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► interested in the actual and Levy and [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► the dial your right is dialogue is on [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► the nose like that the whole point [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► obviously was we're going to write this [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► and the family is going to have some [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► just like the incredibles actually [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► there's going to be some problems [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► between [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► wife and husband and accept that it's [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► sort of like I am happy i am not [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► entirely satisfied in my marriage wife [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► well husband you have issues with me [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► being so such a successful business [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► person you know where it's just like [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► guys come on i mean it's very obvious [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► what the situation is in that household [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► and yet you end up with all this dialog [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► where Julie Benz has to explain that [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► she's a very successful businesswoman [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► you know I got that eight scenes ago [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► when you were putting on your suit and [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► and going to the make a corporation and [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► having the meeting with the bosses have [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► you had better get into the second [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► episode there they literally have like [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► they introduce you know a couple server [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► side characters like neighbors who [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► literally have lines like oh I leave my [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► phone on so my children can reach me if [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► they need me or wow must be like they [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► have a another husband's basically yeah [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► well someone's gotta earn the money for [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► your family or whatever like they [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► literally like just sailing out they [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► live this is set in an alternate [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► universe where there is no subtext [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► pretty much it's just people just say [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► things that they're thinking you know I [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► i agree with all that and yet I felt [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► much more inclined to watch another [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► episode III when i finished the pilot of [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► no ordinary family i recorded the second [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► episode as opposed to the event where I [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► finished the second episode of the event [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► and said yeah I don't think I'm gonna [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► come back here maybe on netflix or [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► something [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► so whatever it was about it i mean that [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► the twist in the enough pilot the twist [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► is that this guy you think that you're [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► watching I are our newly RR commish our [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► shield micra checklists we talk about [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► that but we talked about having a [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► barbarous Michael check but we've got a [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► shovel the objects gerald [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► yes I'm suddenly going to show that just [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► a bit lighter and only not that not only [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► that I mean like I have trouble with the [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► associations with both of those actors [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► just because Michael chick was yeah i [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► watched all the shield the shield's a [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► great show [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► it is really hard to see him in a role [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► that is 180 degrees from that role and [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► of course julie benz also playing she [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► was also on Buffy to ashes Darla ate a [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► vampire and so and whistling twice and [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► of course i like both of those actors i [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► think there again their characters [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► really have little to do and have kind [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► of no chemistry though I you know I [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► hesitate to blame the after [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► actors as I think they have so little [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► work within that script but um I don't [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► know it just [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► but i like to try again i do i did like [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► the sort of the twist at the end so that [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► sort of the guy that he's fighting you [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► have a guy that he's finding that you [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► think it's just some sort of bog [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► standard Robert turns out that he can [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► like teleport in a puff of black smoke [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► so he sort of the night crawler analog [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► in this except he doesn't look like a [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► devil and and Stephen colonize Stephen [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► lawman's s.korea in fact I shouted at [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► the TV when that happened I said no [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► Stephen Collins no no you're no longer [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► one of every chapter is a bad guy [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► oh come on Stephen Collins yes but it's [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► kind of fantastic [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► I know if the thing about an ordinary [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► family is like it's it's so cheesy it's [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► unbelievably cheated and like it grates [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► against my skin in my eyeballs and like [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► everything but it's sometimes a big [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► cheese grater oh it is it don't but at [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► the same time like well I could put this [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► on while i was doing laundry it's a good [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► like it'sit's the first cut the first [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► couple of at Castle episodes were for me [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► which is like this is cute but it's [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► nothing special and I mean castrated [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► become something more interesting and [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► I'm kind of hoping but I mean the way [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► the writing is right now which makes me [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► so sad because it's it's great plenty [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► right who's Kosho running this yes did [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► ever would in general Bobby and well and [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► the hope and and I haven't seen the [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► second episode which will probably crash [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► my crush my hopes but that my hope was [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► iffy if you get the balance right you've [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► got something that isn't necessarily [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► like Buffy level but you've got the [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► ability to explore kind of you got ya [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► like friday night lights you've got a [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► plot with with a marriage that's [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► interesting and they've got adult issues [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► and you've got the kids and you've got [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► their high school issues and they're [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► growing up issues and any and you throw [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► this layer of of of fantasy on top of it [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► that sort of heightens everything and it [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► could be good [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► that butters there's potential there's [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► moments of brilliance and especially I [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► know you said you haven't seen the [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► second episode yet but there's a there's [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► a similar sort of like all twist but [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► there's something that happens at the [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► end of the second episode that surprised [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► me because it was really dark [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► well there's darkness in this and I mean [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► I when the plane crashes in the in the [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► pilot and a and a pilot Lee well pilot [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► is dead because that's a good sign of [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► any company so [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► anytime toilet that uh is in a pilot [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► will die [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► that's the rule it's it's the title [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► character from the pilot and co-pilot [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► always dies but they have the blob I i [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► will say I'm getting tired of the [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► conspiracy thing I thought that was cool [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► that they go to Brazil and there's like [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► stuff in the Amazon that gives them [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► powers but it was so obvious by the end [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► of the first episode that so well the [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► company has a thing in the Amazon and [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► they they they know about the powers and [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► it's obviously a conspiracy and [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► something's going on my that really a [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► conspiracy whatever happened to cause [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► we're a on this wiki right well yeah I [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► mean I'd rather it be a fantastic thing [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► that maybe you maybe plays out over a [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► long period of time I was thinking well [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► this is cool over over an entire year [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► they could end up having to go back to [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► the Amazon and try to figure out what it [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► is and what's causing it like note they [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► again they they went right to it in in [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► the pilot which was I was a little [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► disappointed by that so do we really [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► need to start eating our own premise [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► while we're setting the premise I don't [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► know but I i recorded the second episode [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► so it obviously did something maybe I [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► need to just fold my laundry [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► well I mean the thing about this i watch [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► the second episode and the second [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► episode again the writing just as [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► terrible the cheesiness probably there [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► there's if there's one point where the [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► husband and wife are in bed and like [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► tell me your three favorite word's or [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► something like that or my three favorite [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► word's and the husband's like you were [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► right and then they do the I love you [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► and it's just like it's so painful but [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► I'm i mean the cheesiness aside there [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► are moments of brilliance you know Peter [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► by minutes of tedium and I mean it all [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► works out and i feel like i can still [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► watch it especially with like the last [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► 10 minutes of the second episode which [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► is dan brought up it's like ok they're [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► compelling things you're not afraid to [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► put characters in danger like that and [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► I'm like alright as long as you can stop [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► stating everything of like no subtext [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► would say it has the glee problem maybe [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► i can maybe I can forgive the lack of [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► good dialogue and I because it's an [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► attempt to kind of explore characters in [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► a way that I couldn't forgive the event [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► for taking its characters and basically [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► making them little plate little pieces [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► on a game board that they slide around [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► maybe I'm maybe that says something [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► about me that I was actually more [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► willing [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► to forgive the show with a bad dialogue [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► even know what I recognize that it's bad [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► dialogue and I don't like bad dialogue [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► because i like what they were trying to [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► do and could see some potential and that [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► where the event was just sort of noisy [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► and and full of little kind of puppet [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► characters at least they're trying to [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► make some kind of character as opposed [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► and I would and I i like the scenes [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► where that you know especially in the [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► second episode there's some really good [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► scenes were where Michael Chiklis his [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► character whose name I can't remember [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► Jim something I mr. incredible [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► no yeah choice to pick so it's sort of [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► how his powers work there's an [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► interesting like that in the pilot [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► listicle talking about the the [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► references I mean I I felt like there [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► was a watchman reference in the pilot I [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► thought that there was a tick reference [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► in the pilot I thought that there was an [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► invincible invincible [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► yeah no not invincible unbreakable [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► reference in the pilot too so I did feel [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► and maybe and because i love i love and [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► braker leading into that if I just it [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► may be well because they're all they're [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► all superhero stories right so maybe i'm [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► just reading into it but but my larger [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► point here is that as somebody who loved [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► the movie unbreakable and loved the [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► incredibles I do have a soft spot in my [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► heart for us a show that seems to [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► essentially be viewing those kind of [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► stories as the model here i mean in some [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► ways this is and heroes had a couple [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► moments of that in its first season [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► right before when I'm an idea there was [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► there's a great scene where where Peter [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► milo ventimiglia character tries to [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► figure out if he can he can fly by like [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► trying to jump off like a right monkey [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► that's in the playground oh yeah right [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► which is to any just Falls or gonna say [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► anything like that I just I i love those [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► maybe it was gonna sucker for practicals [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► but I just I think it's the end this is [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► a couple of really great ones in the [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► second episode [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► yeah so you know I don't know what that [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► says John I mean I think you might want [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► to give it a try just because you are so [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► hungry for this stuff I i setup to [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► record just because i saw the ads and [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► incredible my favorite Pixar movie [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► unbreakable is my favorite and night [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► movie I'm with you there on both of us [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► I'm all set to to like this but I have a [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► 500 tolerance for schlock and shows that [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► there are very few shows that he could [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► make that transition from like hockey [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► stealing this to drama like Buffy would [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► be one example where kind of start silly [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► but then they start cranking right it [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► drama later on that's why I still have [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► some hope for no ordinary family as if [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► they can make that [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► turn ya transmission and really hard to [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► make like a hero's was always dour from [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► the beginning that was the problem [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► heroes like that one good season up to [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► the end but they were just always take [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► themselves so seriously superhero right [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► great hero was the only good in the [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► first season like heroes story was was [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► hilarious and light and funny and [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► self-aware and the rest of it was the [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► same term irrationally get them [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► yeah but so hows I think your family [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► badly needs new writers maybe they'll [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► get some new blood as it progresses if [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► they survive long right and if they [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► figure out what this let's first the [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► event are no ordinary family [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► I think no ordinary family gets [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► cancelled first on that i would agree [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► it's more likely mostly because of that [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► no ordinary family is on ABC and ABC is [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► doing better and NBC is so desperate [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► that they any event ratings aren't so [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► bad that I think NBC has shown that [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► they'll let something right for a whole [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► year whereas if no ordinary family I [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► think it's too early to tell but if the [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► ratings keep dropping they'll replace it [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► with something else I mean their ratings [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► haven't been bad especially going up [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► against Glee which is a big thing right [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► well we'll see so we'll see we'll see [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► but I i think just playing the odds i'd [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► say that the show on NBC has a greater [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► likelihood of staying around just [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► because they're hoping that it'll it'll [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► catch fire and they've got nothing to [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► replace it with NBC is a bit content [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► laughs at the moment yes the the sad [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► little peacock and they're going through [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► there also we also going through an [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► executive transition right now so so so [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► yes there's a merger and Jeff sucker is [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► leaving and they've got the new guy in [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► charge of programming and so that that [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► may make it unsettled as well so so [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► let's move on [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► I actually wanted to talk about fringe a [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► little bit which came up earlier fringe [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► which is not new but is back for its [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► third season on Fox and I'm just going [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► to go out and say it i think fringe is [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► the best sci-fi show on TV right now I [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► think I think every season has improved [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► I'm shocked at how much better it has [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► gotten in fact all the end is starting [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► at the end of the first season where [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► they released you know start doing [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► mythology stuff [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► yeah and then they you know they had a [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► couple one-offs in the second season but [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► also some really great episodes in the [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► second season including the the retro [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► episode [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► yeah it's just that was fans [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► ask they didn't I mean not only just [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► whatever special effects they used to [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► make john noble look 20 years younger [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► but they just did a great job and it's a [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► show that's managed I think finally [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► managed to find its footing and there's [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► a show that that cloaked it's super [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► science fictional premise inside a more [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► comfortable premise that the comfortable [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► promise was like the x-files right it [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► was like weird things are happening and [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► they investigate them but in the end it [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► turned out know this is a show about [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► parallel universes clashing with each [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► other and they took a year to get there [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► that's what I would like the show to be [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► about the end of the first season I [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► almost stopped watching and they said no [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► yet that show that they had at the end [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► of the first season that's the show I [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► want to watch yes I want but the season [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► two is that going to be the show or that [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► we're going to go back to Monster of the [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► Week and like they're always on the line [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► between iron I have to be honest I'm not [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► going to make me stop watching but have [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► you seen yes i have seen this seasoning [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► for the show [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► yeah i was seems pretty much a clear [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► I mean it's a parallel around to show [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► everyone but you don't know if they're [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► gonna resolve that three-episode to be [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► back to Monster of the Week but I mean [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► all agree with this analogy tho friends [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► txt files as the event is too lost [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► I mean I was never an X file span so i [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► can't speak to that you want i want the [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► podcast I trust it is you just might [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► guess it's over it [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► I i I'll of the x-files although I I [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► grew to hate it actually toward the end [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► because I felt like they really [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► squandered I I thought they were much [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► better at the standalone episodes then [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► the mythology and that the mythology [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► murdered that show which is too bad [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► because I like it already did eventually [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► kill it but they had I think they had [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► six good seasons of exiles mythology and [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► or was that went off the rails i'd say [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► about five-and-a-half more but but yeah [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► but they're similar upside French [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► trenches the x-files with the serial [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► numbers filed off although i think that [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► was a faint right i think that was they [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► were trying to make you think it was [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► just the x-files it was something a [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► little different but yes it is the [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► spiritual successor to the x-files but [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► no I think determine it has a week your [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► characters in The X Files exhales had to [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► character who know where they stood [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► changed over time writing those little [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► people never helps with a cardboard [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► cutout infringed it seems like everybody [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► is kind of semi carpet like for example [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► i do not buy the romance plot lines [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► anywhere like completely but I i think [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► that's a disaster i think they should [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► never have made that mistake and I think [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► they're one of the reasons they did it [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► because they felt like they were [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► switch the Olivia's they knew they were [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► going to switch the Olivia's from the [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► different universes and they wanted not [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► work and they wanted to have that sort [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► of like who he doesn't know who he's [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► sleeping with kind of thing but it [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► because they were much better as a [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► brother and sister kind of yeah it's [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► like watching brother and sister kiss [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► when they're like my know it's crazy vs [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► The X Files where you totally bought the [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► tension between the two of them right [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► and obviously stretched out too long and [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► did the lying thing with in everything [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► but still you bought my attention from [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► episode number one right but i'm not i'm [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► gonna i'm gonna say that that I think I [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► like the French cast of characters [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► better not necessarily first off i think [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► that what we've seen with olivia is that [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► she was put in the position of having to [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► play the serious FBI agent for a while [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► and her character was pretty boring and [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► I feel like this season especially we've [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► seen that the actress is quite capable [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► of all because having her play two [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► characters really does showed that she [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► Ali you know she's got some talent and [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► that it's just more a function s in some [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► ways of that carrot write the character [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► had a role to the angle to be the [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► functionalist reading Olivia that [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► monotone kind of way though and I think [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► that was kind of like I don't know if [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► they directed her to do that or that was [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► her choice for the character but it's [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► like jeez convinced this this person is [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► pretty because she act well but she was [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► feeling that our Olivia she does fine [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► but then the old olivia is still boring [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► i don't know others i think she's less [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► boring than she was but i but i think [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► the writers realized that she was [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► fulfilling that Fox Mulder kind of role [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► and she was supposed to be serious and [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► skeptical and I think that's one of the [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► reasons they added her sister and her [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► sister's daughter was to try and give [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► her more thing with your side give her [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► more things to do [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► she gets emotional distress and I don't [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► think like Scully had emotional distress [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► from her cancer and from like you know [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► just worrying about if things are real [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► or not an ipad or maybe chilling images [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► a better actress but I just need more I [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► been doing the same thing I think she is [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► but I i think that that Olivia it you [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► know is works a lot better but but my [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► broader point was that now I'm i am [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► going to call Joshua Jackson but really [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► at home he's Pacey I think I think Pacey [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► peter is I think that's a fun character [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► I think he's really good and I think I i [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► like that and john noble I think as [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► walter johnson dr into without without [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► Walter that show does not work i [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► don't--there's practically a separate [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► show like he is [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► I i would put him at any jo-ann its [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► second that he's just about Walter like [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► bleep my Walter says I don't know Lance [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► Reddick is doing his thing and and and [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► you've got now i can't remember name and [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► Royals Broyles is kind of wasted there [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► especially after seeing him in the wire [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► well doesn't it yeah he's doing the same [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► thing right they don't give him anything [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► to do [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► no no he's he's he's he's I i like [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► watching him when he's in it but he [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► sorted doesn't have anything to do its [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► trees the skin wire [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► I mean he was so good in the wire right [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► and we all know that I can although i [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► don't know I i would compare him [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► favorably with Skinner on The X Files [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► well they're feeling the same role [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► really come into the scene say something [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► gruff and leave but right now it's [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► finally found something to do with [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► Skinner eventually they're always gonna [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► be conflicted character and broil so far [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► will the evil Broyles is not conflicted [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► yeah they're all lieutenant Castillo [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► from Miami Vice under the skin little [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► James energy zone out there for you keep [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► me informed others and Crockett keep me [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► full it's nice that it's nice to have [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► honey I think they've had a pretty good [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► luck in guest stars and and and other [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► you know sort of guest actors I mean [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► leonard nimoy especially I thought I [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► just really enjoyed learning one is my [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► state were seen with him and maybe but [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► the suit was john noble the second [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► season him and john hope will have [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► awesome chemist yet like the scenes [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► weather in the parallel universe and [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► they're kind of like talking and [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► bickering I thought work to atty like [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► quickly established the dynamic between [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► these two characters who of course you [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► know i always thought was funny that you [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► know it lately have the same initials in [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► are clearly sort of the two sides of the [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► same coin character [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► yeah yeah I i agree i I've been very [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► happy with it though I was saying this [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► to my wife after the we watch the second [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► episode i think of the of the the season [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► of fringe i said this show has gotten so [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► much better and and you don't usually [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► see a show I think go from being kinda [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► you know watchable I can watch the whole [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► first season I never really I was like [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► yeah okay I it's kinda interesting just [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► barely enough to keep it going and and [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► then the second season I thought was [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► better and this third season i have the [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► last two episodes are the first two [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► episodes of the season just I'm so [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► impressed i love the fact that they can [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► tell stories on both sides of the [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► universe with the same actors more or [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► less so you've got a couple playing [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► different aspects of themselves with [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► storylines that sort of intersect but [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► don't know [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► necessarily have to and I think that's [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► great i hope that they keep that going [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► for I watched an interview with some of [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► the cast and and creative people [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► sometime over the summer or something [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► and they said you know basically their [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► goal is to if they said something like [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► if we can get you to care as much about [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► the people in the alternate universe as [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► you do about you know the people in the [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► universe that we start with that is kind [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► of what we're shooting like you know we [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► want to get to the point where it's not [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► just all these are the bad guys you know [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► from the other universe we want to get [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► to the point where it's like well we can [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► kind of see the perspective solutely [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► well I mean from their perspective right [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► there universe had like a hole blown [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► into it and and our characters that [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► we've been told are our friends that we [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► like to follow every week are at fault [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► and so that you know they view this is [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► being there you know they're striking [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► back against against the suppressor now [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► their their their their actions are [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► sometimes questionable but I think [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► that's an interesting point about at [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► what point do you you know what's [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► justified as a reaction to something [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► that has blown up buildings and killed [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► lots of people i mean it are they [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► justified is is the alternate Olivia who [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► you can call fo Olivia or Bolivia or [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► whatever else you want to call her you [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► know she she takes that guy and she [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► kills him because he she's got erase all [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► the all the you know information about [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► who's getting that box in the second [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► episode right well that's you know [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► cold-blooded murder to shut somebody up [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► and of course [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► presumably the alternate is just done [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► some horrible things on his side and [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► send all these people over to our side [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► and yet the justification is that not [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► only does he have this personal vendetta [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► which is that his son was stolen but [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► that they stuff is like blown up and [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► people have been killed so I think it's [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► fascinating to think that maybe our guys [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► are universe more or less is the is the [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► villain in this from their space also [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► making a doomsday machine and it's kinda [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► hard to paper over that one [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► oh yeah no he's the best guy you're [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► right hardware told it's a doomsday [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► machine [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► well whatever it is he's clearly they're [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► clearly painting him as evil is gonna be [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► tough to redeem a million i don't think [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► it'll be ready next year and even ground [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► with those to Olivia's because they act [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► in ways that are understandable and the [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► rest of the French team I think too but [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► not what not the alternate know he's bad [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► in fact it wouldn't surprise me and we [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► find out that all these terrible things [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► that happened in [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► the alternate universe are the result of [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► alternate trying to get his son back and [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► not because of the original breach but [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► we'll see [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► it's interesting I mean I i kinda hope [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► that you know it reminds me it is sort [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► of the beginning of this third season [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► reminds me of one of my favorite parts [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► from sci-fi television in recent years [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► on a show that otherwise kind of went [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► off the rails which is the third season [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► occupation Arctic battlestar galactica [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► right is a fantastic art but I see it [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► John's point about the will they stick [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► with this plotline or will they go back [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► to sort of the formulaic [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► monster-of-the-week I mean battlestar [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► galactica 20 out on a limb and tried to [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► totally sort of reinvent itself and had [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► did a fantastic bit of work in creating [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► of you know a great sort of parable [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► basically for are you know but the war [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► in iraq essentially at that point and [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► then basically solved the entire problem [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► in like six episodes like right back to [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► the spaceship [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► let's do this and that for me is where [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► that show right totally lost the [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► difference here is that what they've set [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► up with the parallel universes is their [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► premise twice instead of what battlestar [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► galactica was which was a totally [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► different show and I did love it and I [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► thought it was really interesting that [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► they did it but this is a little bit [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► more comfortable i think of a resting [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► place to have sort of yeah I think you [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► can experience a solid argument to that [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► idea that it's a Trojan horse right like [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► this is you know that they started out [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► with the monster of the week stuff to [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► build it into a mythology show and I'm [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► glad they're actually doing that it you [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► know I i think this is why I stick with [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► so many shows as long as I do because I [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► keep thinking well okay there's some you [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► know there are kids that there's more [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► going on here that there's interesting [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► stories to be told here but we just have [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► to wait to till the show's establish [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► enough because it's hard to like delve [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► right into a mythology show right you [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► know unless you're the adventurous music [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► go for it but planes will respect that I [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► gotta respect fringe for that first [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► season because i was on the edge of not [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► what are just being totally disgusted [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► with it until that final thing and it's [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► like you know the plan that right so [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► it's not like they just thought of it at [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► the end of the thing like they spend it [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► on oir sees an entire season of a show [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► building up to essentially their promise [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► they didn't give you the premise until [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► the end of the first season and and they [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► hit you with the big hammer of like not [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► only do we have a really awesome premise [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► but here we have this horrible horrible [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► event of like stealing your soul [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► and for another place in the main [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► character been with isn't even from this [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► universe and stuff like that and he [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► feels terrible bad it's not played for [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► laughs it's serious like that was a big [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► payoff after it like a long lead up it's [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► like and I think they did they did drop [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► just enough like every time they didn't [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► tell you a little story observers and [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► stuff in it like I was for me that's why [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► i kept watch yes but it there's [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► something interesting still could have [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► been lame is still coming like yes a lot [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► pattern observers ball guys whatever you [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► like you didn't care until the character [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► on the game until you realize his son [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► died and he stole his son is not like [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► he's sitting him sitting by the grave [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► that's the best thing in the entire [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► frizzy and like that just like nails you [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► right it's not in the first season was [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► not miss yet this is the first season [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► Allen calling upset to Peter's greywacke [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► I mean they dropped it pretty heavy [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► before that like there are definitely a [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► one-out they like her season firm that [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► they seal the deal here yeah and the [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► best thing was seeing Walter this [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► character who is either crazy or zany [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► just totally break down this it's a wait [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► wait you're not used to seeing a [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► character that you've come to care about [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► and realizing that that he kind of [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► deserves a lot of the insanity that you [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► got maybe you know I mean like that was [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► a big payoff when X Files used to do was [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► do the ark episodes at the end of the [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► season and the beginning of the next and [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► they would just do for bookends 22 [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► episodes in two episodes then back to [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► Monster the weekend that the theory or [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► everything thats the Star Trek next [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► generation bright red kimono so I was [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► just saying it's interesting because [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► I've seen I've seen one of the monster [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► of the week episodes of fringe and then [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► it's very first season I haven't seen [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► anything else and now you guys talking [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► about it just made me kind of curious to [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► go back and never come out [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► yeah and now I'm everything started [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► their season guys are with the second [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► season is there no you I think you have [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► to i don't know i'm a complete I'm a [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► completionist usually i would say start [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► at the beginning angle yeah because it [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► you know why is going to be some paper [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► all right they're easy to digest to like [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► it's another thing where ya the monster [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► of the week episode you know what's [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► gonna like that they go by the numbers [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► like this is a strange thing that [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► happens like just like long are they [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► find a dead body in the beginning [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► somebody's head to the same interaction [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► like every comment about halfway through [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► the first season is one of my friends [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► who who watches the show maybe tweet [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► about something like so i guess i should [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► stop getting attached to all these [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► characters IC infringed before the [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► before this happened yeah and with the [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► way my wife put that is don't they watch [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► the show [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► don't they don't go in there don't they [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► know that they're on fringe [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► they're gonna die if [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► they go in there if you if the only [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► watch the show they would know [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► well we've got a little bit more time [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► o.o before he goes up and watch by the [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► way alternate universe in fridge has [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► this one it's allowing Zeppelin's that's [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► how you know three years of that left 12 [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► probably Cybermen in there too [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► probably because alternate universes [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► with Zeppelin's there's actually another [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► good show at least I i am not a badass [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► battlestar galactica watcher and I have [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► to preface it with that and I've never [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► seen either battlestar galactica which [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► may make me a horrible syfy without [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► original and really awesome we have [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► anything on x-files watcher and a non [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► new battlestar galactica watch her on [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► the syfy television now it is shining [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► it's really scary time we take all kinds [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► here John [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► we're a big family by Errol I'm gonna [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► come on the comics com podcast and we [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► have no standards but in any case i [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► started watching caprica when it [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► premiered in January which is I guess [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► watching out [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► yeah sorry i fell asleep there when you [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► mention Caprica [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► ah that's terrible no I mean I i watched [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► it but I do I knew it was a prequel go [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► ahead and I'll go ahead no no no I mean [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► I I knew it was a prequel to battlestar [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► galactica but i had no idea what they [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► were two other than I know there are [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► things called silence and that's all I [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► knew going into this and actually first [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► couple episodes of caprica are slow they [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► are very very slow but at the same time [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► oddly intriguing i mean it's very it's a [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► very political show its its political [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► sci fi and it's about robots and then [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► the creation of robots and I Jason's [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► looking like no no ID but hell no I i [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► watched the first 45 episode yeah and I [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► i found it kind of fascinating [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► intellectually and yet the fairies just [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► very slow-paced and you know i'm not [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► asking for planes to go through [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► wormholes in the end of the first [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► episode I just I I wasn't quite sure [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► where they were going or or what they [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► were doing and I'm not sure they didn't [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► either and they are so many different [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► moving pieces I i will say i think them [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► coming back to it which is is this is [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► episode 10 but theoretically it's [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► supposed to be the second the start of [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► the second season or seasonally now I've [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► yeah exactly yeah they've named it but I [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► mean it was very very slow i watched [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► maybe the first six or seven episodes in [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► one chunk when I was sick one [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► like one point but at the side say at [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► episode like eight or nine it starts to [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► pick up and you start kind of getting [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► all of these plots kind of intertwining [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► and now like with the opening of the set [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► this the entire the entire show is [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► really based around the concept of you [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► know what if we can bring sort of the [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► soul of a person into the digital world [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► and work with that like what if that can [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► be a pseudo afterlife and there's a [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► whole like religious aspect and the [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► religious aspect is starting to take out [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► more of more of a main focus in this [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► second half of the season I don't know [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► it really piqued my curiosity and it's [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► not necessarily my favorite sci-fi show [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► on television because they're still it [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► has problems but I definitely like I i [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► have it on my list and i'm watching it [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► regularly and I'm i'm intrigued to see [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► where we'll go assuming it lasts longer [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► than the season [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► yeah I'm not sure I mean it's been on [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► for a long time already i'm surprised [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► that it wasn't canceled already have a [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► bike shop is 20 episodes right they shot [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► the 20 episodes and and I was going to [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► say yeah that they didn't like a fringe [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► went through an entire first season but [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► paid off at the end and it seems like [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► Africa came and went on break without [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► paying off anything so I was like well [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► that's it for that show i guess it's [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► been cancelled i'll never see it again [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► and they didn't even have time to pay [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► off but now it's back so maybe at the [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► end of the 20 it will still pay off on I [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► I suspect so i think that the ratings [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► have been so lackluster that they [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► decided stretch out the time and then [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► that would give them more time to decide [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► that they want to bring it back I'd be [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► surprised if it comes back just because [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► it seems like it's not really catching [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► on but you never know [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► i I just couldn't why I mean I felt so [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► so angry and badly burned by the end by [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► the last season about hot glass like I [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► just I'm just gonna yeah I'm just yeah [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► i'm just depressed super angry and sad [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► there's a whole podcast would be done [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► about that I don't hold grudges though [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► because i like that the first few [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► seasons about our collective I like [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► install fond memories of the program [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► together just because they screwed up at [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► the end doesn't make me I I the more I [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► looked it's one of those shows that I [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► looked back and it really ruined a lot [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► of the earlier episodes there are [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► romantic episodes and just pretend those [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► are really don't exist [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► no but even the second season there are [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► still some terrible terrible episode [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► well everybody's I wanted two bad ones [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► it's like the Star Wars prequels just [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► pretending [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► Kristen you have a much happier life hey [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► I heard the other day that run more [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► maybe rebooting wild wild west so I'm [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► willing to give that a shot because I do [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► like Ron Moore and if you're watching a [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► good Ron Moore Show albeit one that also [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► doesn't have an ending curveball and [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► yeah I intentionally didn't start that [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► because i heard that it died before it [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► ended well speaking of of shows that uh [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► that I think are are encouraging yeah [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► I'm gonna throw out stargate universe [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► which I'm so woefully behind on now i'm [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► like 10 episodes behind on it but the [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► it's I think it actually gets hampered [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► by the fact that it's a Stargate show [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► because it's so unlike it really is like [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► the weird stepchild or offspring I guess [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► of Battlestar Galactica and stargate [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► because it's much darker Stargate was [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► this bright and shiny first five seasons [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► of stargate i love because they're just [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► they're from they're happy friendly go [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► through this and explore new worlds kind [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► of stuff and then they kind of [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► disappeared up there anything I Anderson [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► that's all we have made anderson i love [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► ya those first five years and then he [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► kind of like goes in the background in [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► their government conspiracies and became [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► the x-files and it was a disaster so [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► this this new show is saddled with that [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► history and yet I thought was pretty [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► good in trying to be different in that [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► the pilot doesn't end up with a sort of [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► reset where everybody's happy and ready [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► to go on adventures that the problems [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► put out the pilot take you know episode [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► after episode i think they finish the [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► pilot not having air or water or food [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► and then the first episode they've got [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► to try to find a way to get air and the [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► next one is trying to find a way to get [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► water and try to get food and a little [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► circle and yeah well in in in and uh I'm [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► embracing unlikable characters the lead [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► character and stargate universe is [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► robert carlyle character and he's a DJ [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► jerk so I i think that show is [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► interesting although some for some [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► reason not gripping enough for me to [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► actually have kept current with it to [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► the point where I'm like a half a dozen [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► episodes behind now and I like Johnson [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► is john scalzi is the is the the science [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► consultant fight through it [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► well your story story controlling yeah [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► and I can sort of feel that too because [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► it's its outsized it's not you know kind [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► of hard sci-fi realism but there's some [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► some character realism and there's some [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► resistance to sort of the standard kind [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► sci-fi show plot device where you hit [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► the big reset button at the end of every [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► episode where you get the sense that [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► this is kind of a meandering story and [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► there's characters who aren't like a [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► ball and ones who are and they're [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► changing over time and you know I it's [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► not a anything I'd say it's like a [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► grade-a kind of show but I I'm [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► encouraged by because it I I fully [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► expected to hate the pilot and i ended [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► up watching whatever eight or ten [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► episodes of it and not not feeling bad [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► about it because I thought that was kind [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► of drinking you know it's interesting [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► because I think that's what it really [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► comes down to is not so much that we all [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► necessarily get invested in genre shows [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► so much as I think I'll you know for the [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► most part I think the people who like [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► sonra chose a tend to cross over pretty [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► well with people who like shows that [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► have those non resetting plots that have [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► a longer build that have characters that [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► develop and change over time I mean I [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► wouldn't like that would make it more [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► standard shows don't write and one of [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► the things about genre shows is that [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► because they are not setting a real [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► universe there's like chance for things [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► you haven't seen before that you know I [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► don't need to see another cop show or [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► another even space cops quite honestly [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► or space lawyers but of you know i-i-i [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► wanna see something they're not just [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► that like that you can have a good cop [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► shit like the wire for sure can have a [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► good cop shortly [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► that's about people develop over time [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► about challenging questions that really [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► you know tries to build something in [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► rather than showing you all 45 minute [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► movie every week shows you a like rich [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► story you know series that builds over [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► time that really uses TV as its medium [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► and i think that's that's really what a [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► lot of people you know I know we're sort [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► of focused on geek stuff here but I [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► think I like that idea of you know [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► really good television being something [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► that uses that this medium this serious [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► cereal episodic stories helping to its [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► fullest and like the wire is interesting [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► because it is such a you know cop shell [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► that's that's pretty well-trod [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► convention there and by simply being [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► more true to what real human beings are [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► like it defies the genre conventions of [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► the cop show right so sci-fi has you [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► know even more conventions i find is [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► this like a road convention for house is [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► done and when you get a sci-fi show it [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► can repel against the combined [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► she's a regular TV it can also repel [TS]