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  the incomparable podcast episode 64 [TS]

  December 2010 [TS]

  we're back on the incomparable podcast [TS]

  I'm Jason Snell I'm apparently the host [TS]

  of the podcast I viewed myself as one of [TS]

  the cast of characters until then more [TS]

  and referred to me as the host and him [TS]

  is the guest host last time so all right [TS]

  this week i'm the host of the podcast [TS]

  until then more and opposes me and and [TS]

  disposes of my body so I would like to [TS]

  welcome the most dire the parasites [TS]

  oh nice that's a nice metaphor that [TS]

  Voice you heard is one of my guests [TS]

  today because as the host I have guessed [TS]

  Greg NOS who who has suddenly become a [TS]

  regular fixture in this podcast [TS]

  well yeah boy it's good to hear from you [TS]

  Greg not that good though and also on [TS]

  the line is John siracusa hey John [TS]

  welcome back Jason I just hope you don't [TS]

  let this hosting thing go to your head [TS]

  yeah i had with power seriously well you [TS]

  know I had a big deal more into host the [TS]

  video game podcast mostly because i was [TS]

  busy with the nanowrimo you know writing [TS]

  a novel for the month and also because i [TS]

  felt like i was a complete amateur when [TS]

  it came to to video games out after [TS]

  having heard the podcast I felt like [TS]

  that stop yeah i really could have done [TS]

  and you made a good point that I was a [TS]

  total amateur when it came to horror [TS]

  movies but I still hosted that podcast [TS]

  that was largely because i couldn't get [TS]

  very many people to be on it because all [TS]

  of our podcast participants are wimps [TS]

  and don't like we're moving so including [TS]

  myself so I was stuck I was like a [TS]

  seat-filler that any way across the [TS]

  table for me here in San Francisco is [TS]

  serenity Caldwell [TS]

  hello welcome hello from across the [TS]

  internet dan moore and joins us to hide [TS]

  an hi Jason thanks for having me [TS]

  so as we as we move toward the toward [TS]

  the Christmas holiday we're in the [TS]

  holiday season now Hanukkah has past [TS]

  Christmases forthcoming the new year [TS]

  that's how it works by the way if you [TS]

  weren't aware the December there are [TS]

  series of holidays some of which are [TS]

  more real and summer kind of totally [TS]

  made up getting the ones are made of [TS]

  politics was my birthday which is your [TS]

  birthday ass when is your birthday [TS]

  birthday is on the fourteenth you'll be [TS]

  14 right [TS]

  oh yes come on 15 sorry she said ok [TS]

  blaring it really cure that I come out [TS]

  really after the harry potter [TS]

  fanfiction thing there's nowhere to go [TS]

  but up no it's true i can just mock you [TS]

  all for making fun of me yes please do [TS]

  mockery we're no strangers to mockery in [TS]

  Our Lives speaking of our childhood so I [TS]

  want to talk about the holidays and [TS]

  where I wanted to start really was with [TS]

  with the holiday presents Christmas [TS]

  presence i certainly have memories of [TS]

  getting all sorts of gifts and also if [TS]

  not getting gifts that I really [TS]

  desperately wanted when I was a kid and [TS]

  I i imagine that the people who [TS]

  participate in this podcast would all [TS]

  have memories of kind of a gift that in [TS]

  hindsight were a little bit on the geeky [TS]

  side that they that they received her or [TS]

  even failed to receive so I thought I [TS]

  would start there which is what what [TS]

  geeky holiday gifts do you remember from [TS]

  your from your childhood Greg nice i [TS]

  hear you have a fantastic story to tell [TS]

  tonight you're not been up to me you [TS]

  just pointed to the left field bleachers [TS]

  and i'm going to bunt [TS]

  huh when I was a young and so I eighteen [TS]

  fifties you may have been where you may [TS]

  you may have guessed that I enjoyed [TS]

  video games quite a bit and it was in in [TS]

  October 1977 atari released the 2600 and [TS]

  it was the hottest thing going and i [TS]

  believe it was a year later I played the [TS]

  friends I died you know it broken [TS]

  several of the joysticks played combat [TS]

  and adventure and all the great games [TS]

  from the first year and I desperately [TS]

  wanted one just because I knew that [TS]

  that's what was going to be my entire [TS]

  life was that single piece of hardware [TS]

  and so roundabout November 1978 i began [TS]

  a campaign of of desperately begging my [TS]

  parents for it i don't remember how much [TS]

  it was but it seemed like an infinite [TS]

  amount of money but I said I want [TS]

  nothing else I want nothing else for the [TS]

  rest of the year my birthday is a month [TS]

  later I don't know anything for that I [TS]

  just want 2600 and and whatever [TS]

  cartridges it came with and we'll worry [TS]

  about other games later i can swap them [TS]

  with friends and come Christmas Eve [TS]

  there was a box that appeared under the [TS]

  tree and it was exactly the right shape [TS]

  and it was exactly the right size for [TS]

  the 2600 and so before the word squee [TS]

  was invented i actually went ahead and [TS]

  squeeze need [TS]

  we didn't have term a term for it back [TS]

  then and I I had visions of sugarplums [TS]

  dancing in my head and they were all [TS]

  playing 2600 games and so I went to bed [TS]

  in the next morning I woke up and I was [TS]

  an activation game wasn't sugarplums was [TS]

  evidently you were had sugar plums [TS]

  thrown at you and they exploded [TS]

  something like no low-resolution [TS]

  explosions and do [TS]

  yeah we had a very orderly christmas at [TS]

  my house and we would take turns and one [TS]

  person would get a gift and another [TS]

  person would get a gift and another [TS]

  person would get a gift and and digital [TS]

  I nap hehe yes it was like Christmas in [TS]

  east germany is sort of like a cafeteria [TS]

  for presence [TS]

  everything is just a stale bread and a [TS]

  small piece of ham and finally it rolled [TS]

  around to the last gift for me and what [TS]

  i thought was the last gift for me and [TS]

  so my mother goes over and picks up the [TS]

  box from the back of the tree and she [TS]

  carries it over to me and she puts it [TS]

  into my hands and says Greg this is for [TS]

  you to give to your sister [TS]

  oh i thought well okay fine fine [TS]

  they're making it hers I have no problem [TS]

  with that i will get to play it it's in [TS]

  the house everybody shares because we're [TS]

  in the People's Republic of East Germany [TS]

  and it is a socialist paradise and so I [TS]

  handed her and she opens it up and it's [TS]

  a pair of roller skates and you can [TS]

  actually still here out in the deepness [TS]

  of space my heart breaking [TS]

  you couldn't tell the difference between [TS]

  an atari 2600 and a pair of roller [TS]

  skates what was the lightweight i was i [TS]

  with the right away that's way too heavy [TS]

  for 2600 I didn't know how much they [TS]

  weigh to be reminded you did not hold [TS]

  your present deduction skills as a child [TS]

  I can see that they only had they had [TS]

  its ears you know you could go and used [TS]

  to play that series the series edition [TS]

  of the 2600 but it was bolted down so i [TS]

  couldn't pick it up and anyway that it I [TS]

  I was I was it was the cruelest thing my [TS]

  parents have ever done to me and to this [TS]

  day I think they think it's funny and so [TS]

  I went through the next year all of 1979 [TS]

  desperate to get 2600 and then I got it [TS]

  that year for Christmas before Christmas [TS]

  yes one year later so you have an entire [TS]

  year [TS]

  where you're like your sisters roller [TS]

  skates and cursing that they didn't play [TS]

  combat the fire still burned your [TS]

  parents know that you felt this way up [TS]

  until that point or only I think they [TS]

  felt I think they felt a little bad they [TS]

  knew they were screwing with me but i [TS]

  think they felt bad though [TS]

  oh I doubt they still considered as [TS]

  funny as and I think that's really [TS]

  formed my parenting philosophy today it [TS]

  is mocking derived and and torture your [TS]

  children as much as possible do give [TS]

  your kids a presence that are carefully [TS]

  weighted to pose as other presidents i [TS]

  make my kids by their own expensive [TS]

  electronics [TS]

  alright I spirit will they learn the [TS]

  value of things then yes because and [TS]

  they made my two eldest children just [TS]

  bought themselves ipod touches the [TS]

  fourth generation and we had a little [TS]

  talk beforehand that they if they drop [TS]

  them and broke them that was on them and [TS]

  they went ahead and did it anyway so our [TS]

  database timing around the house now [TS]

  like so hey look at this cool thing i [TS]

  found into the couch [TS]

  yes and they play spy games with all [TS]

  that someone will sneak into a room and [TS]

  start surveilling someone else and [TS]

  facetiming it going back to home base [TS]

  what I was often get them ready for [TS]

  their futures adults and 21st century [TS]

  america i bet i just recently got back [TS]

  from a business trip and i facetimed [TS]

  with my children it was it was really [TS]

  quite wonderful for the first 30 seconds [TS]

  when they had something to say and then [TS]

  they would get bored with me like in [TS]

  person and wonder what they just like [TS]

  lace half the ipod walk away if they [TS]

  would start going they would go back to [TS]

  watching TV or you no good having a [TS]

  conversation with somebody else in the [TS]

  room so did your parents were they [TS]

  I in the video game podcast i think john [TS]

  said that his parents were fundamentally [TS]

  opposed to video games in the house [TS]

  where your parents opposed to it or did [TS]

  they just not want to get it or thought [TS]

  it was too expensive i think it fell on [TS]

  the this is a fad side [TS]

  mmm i mean i had only really been hard [TS]

  guide my first contact with computers [TS]

  was going over to a friend's house who [TS]

  had an apple to not an apple to plus but [TS]

  an apple to and sitting there and [TS]

  playing games for hours and hours and [TS]

  hours and and that was to my memory [TS]

  right before I started asking for the [TS]

  2600 and it built from there and I [TS]

  thought you know so I was rabbit a few [TS]

  months later when November rolled around [TS]

  I started asking for this and they saw [TS]

  that the price was like 200 [TS]

  dollars in late seventies dollars which [TS]

  is what thirty forty thousand dollars [TS]

  today roughly and good math there but [TS]

  when i had when i had fixated on this [TS]

  thing for a full year that I think they [TS]

  thought that I had I had earned it just [TS]

  through my own desperation I and [TS]

  coincidentally that's how i got married [TS]

  as well [TS]

  the power of desperation he seemed he [TS]

  seems like an easy bet it the ROI on the [TS]

  2600 given that that it has shaped the [TS]

  past 30 or so years and has been the [TS]

  foundation of my career and I everything [TS]

  that I have quoted received unquote [TS]

  since then it was a pretty good [TS]

  investment [TS]

  yeah also I mean my dad didn't want us [TS]

  to get one because you thought it would [TS]

  break the TV i'm not going but I'm still [TS]

  not clear on what he thought that what [TS]

  you like it releases demon spirits into [TS]

  the team you can no longer do anything [TS]

  else would would brew the tea would be [TS]

  confused that I'm not made for this [TS]

  crazy video game stuff i made for live [TS]

  action would break weather usually [TS]

  beaverton dangers you could run a game [TS]

  for too long with the static screens on [TS]

  the 2600 nearly video i really doubt [TS]

  that he was concerned about burn-in but [TS]

  but he didn't think it would break the [TS]

  TV and of course in those days you [TS]

  didn't even have like a coaxial cable we [TS]

  had like the little twin lead thing that [TS]

  you to unscrew and then put in the [TS]

  adapter that really our effort every [TS]

  slide and then it would go to come on i [TS]

  can't remember how old I was when when [TS]

  we got an Atari but it was probably in [TS]

  that it was probably like 80 or 79 or [TS]

  something like that that's about right [TS]

  so did you have a camera or is your dad [TS]

  afraid it was still your spirit haha [TS]

  good question and I don't know the [TS]

  answer it didn't [TS]

  yes but I let it out later delivery [TS]

  you mentioned breaking atari joystick by [TS]

  the way and this isn't a video game [TS]

  podcast but still I i remember breaking [TS]

  an atari joystick and desperately trying [TS]

  to figure out how to fix it when you [TS]

  opened it up right yeah white plastic [TS]

  ring oh the white plastic ring yeah that [TS]

  had snapped and you try and glue it back [TS]

  together and you screw it back together [TS]

  and it lasts for another 30 seconds and [TS]

  it breaks again right and then you just [TS]

  try to play the game knowing that if you [TS]

  go with the top laughs wrestle her it'll [TS]

  it'll sag and it might [TS]

  work but it's not or you take it off [TS]

  entirely and you've got those little [TS]

  metal buttons the little metal buttons [TS]

  and you just try to fake it with the [TS]

  little buttons which does also doesn't [TS]

  work a little membrane buttons [TS]

  good times good that's I tried [TS]

  everything I could to fix the joysticks [TS]

  I i actually got out matches and tried [TS]

  to melt the plastic wow yeah which the [TS]

  fumes probably affected me just as much [TS]

  as the video games kid [TS]

  well they really didn't have a strong [TS]

  roi then another lie that explains a lot [TS]

  look at the colors so pretty and also [TS]

  taught you about advertising on [TS]

  television where you saw that crazy [TS]

  commercial that would run with a guy and [TS]

  the the hardhat stick into the IBM and [TS]

  you like dammit that crazy-looking [TS]

  definitely makes the story controller [TS]

  you try yourself and you see that [TS]

  sometimes sometimes things on TV don't [TS]

  tell the truth speaking of Christmas [TS]

  present there was a whole secondary [TS]

  market for heavy-duty joysticks for the [TS]

  2600 I mean you can get joysticks that [TS]

  weighed three or four pounds and had [TS]

  arcade sighs buttons on them [TS]

  Wow is that like the same market as the [TS]

  the keyboards that make the really loud [TS]

  noises that people people will be allies [TS]

  now you're making fun of me because I [TS]

  want one of those this year [TS]

  oh really is that on your holiday list [TS]

  for this year the they're like seventy [TS]

  dollars the aftermarket clones of the [TS]

  old IBM right huge keyboards that rich [TS]

  single from barebone software has one of [TS]

  those i believe i had i have no one to [TS]

  twenty years ago at my first real [TS]

  corporate job and you could hear me like [TS]

  down the hall and around the corner [TS]

  well I friends who love that keyboard or [TS]

  the the athletic equipment and I say is [TS]

  on my desk captn well at what I say to [TS]

  them is I work in an office with people [TS]

  I can't use that chief heard that humans [TS]

  would come and kill me if i use that [TS]

  they beat me to death with the keyboard [TS]

  keyboard that you have to do that they [TS]

  are ya [TS]

  you added serious tapping and you just a [TS]

  little self for trouble locking [TS]

  clackety-clack I was watching you love [TS]

  it is the tactile sensation of actually [TS]

  pushing something down then clicks and [TS]

  forces your finger back up because the [TS]

  spring is so strong so that's what you [TS]

  want it that's what i want for christmas [TS]

  i want that an amazon gift cards lots of [TS]

  amazon gift guides with which you can [TS]

  buy more keyboards hot that's just after [TS]

  SEIU's anymore is is is free money to [TS]

  Amazon will dump the change in the house [TS]

  and you take him to like coinstar and [TS]

  you can either get cash [TS]

  back at nine percent interest rate or p [TS]

  or you can get free Amazon gift card [TS]

  right right or itunes i think yeah I've [TS]

  done that [TS]

  hey that's fine i spent a lot of money [TS]

  on amazon and itunes so that works then [TS]

  what about you [TS]

  you got a LG a particularly fund holiday [TS]

  gift memory and Treadwell on the on the [TS]

  theme of parents tricking children there [TS]

  are there have been a couple because my [TS]

  birthday is so close to christmas i [TS]

  never ran into the problem where you [TS]

  either got big birthday present or big [TS]

  Christmas present and then one or two of [TS]

  the holidays just kind of flopped [TS]

  together [TS]

  I was always able to kind of get like [TS]

  separate little presence but I use it to [TS]

  my advantage a lot to combine big-ticket [TS]

  items that i knew i wanted that I knew I [TS]

  couldn't get away with just to go to [TS]

  Christmas and I think not the original [TS]

  ipod cuz i got the original ipod i think [TS]

  in I mean maybe early December but the [TS]

  ipod photo when that came out I remember [TS]

  being like all right you know it has a [TS]

  color screen and if you do a little bit [TS]

  of hacking to it you can actually maybe [TS]

  make it play videos and oh it's so cool [TS]

  and so I went around pastoring my father [TS]

  for at least two or three months being [TS]

  like yes please please please buy this [TS]

  for me i know i I'm my original five [TS]

  gigs just too small and too bulky and [TS]

  what if someone at school steals it and [TS]

  this one smaller I get made up all sorts [TS]

  of different reasons and then I'd is [TS]

  more valuable so nobody will steal [TS]

  exactly sure let's let's go with that [TS]

  but I didn't get it for my birthday so I [TS]

  was like okay so they're probably [TS]

  waiting for it for christmas which they [TS]

  wish they did in the past I that's how i [TS]

  got my first imac well I'm since my [TS]

  friend in these stories after the [TS]

  terrible things parents to their [TS]

  children ok go ahead without so [TS]

  Christmas morning rolls around they're [TS]

  always runs a different things and I [TS]

  like I knew exactly what the ipod photo [TS]

  packaging looks like as I'd you know i [TS]

  cased out the store and I was just like [TS]

  all right fingers crossed and there was [TS]

  no Ricky there was no square box under [TS]

  under the tree they're just there a [TS]

  couple of like big macy's boxes and [TS]

  things like that so our last yet know [TS]

  the last the last box is a big macy's [TS]

  box and I'm like damn it i got a coat or [TS]

  a you know like a hat or something [TS]

  that's when I wasn't nearly as obsessed [TS]

  about coats i was more blessed [TS]

  or hats yeah it was more about [TS]

  technology so I pick up the macy's box [TS]

  and I open it and inside is a laptop box [TS]

  and I'm like wait what I open i open the [TS]

  laptop box and there's another box and I [TS]

  opened that box there's another box I [TS]

  open inside his Russian nesting dolls [TS]

  pretty much inside for a human head [TS]

  yeah inside of the ipod photo packaging [TS]

  and I was like holy crap they got me an [TS]

  iPod photo and I like I freaked out and [TS]

  I you know open the packaging is as [TS]

  delicately as I could because i still [TS]

  like the packaging and open up the thing [TS]

  and there's no ipod in the iphone whole [TS]

  package it's a code it's just look at [TS]

  socks [TS]

  it's nothing and I got the ipod photo [TS]

  marks they got a GI products [TS]

  yeah you can put your old ipod in here [TS]

  and pretend yes and so I i look at my [TS]

  father who is this very devilish the [TS]

  evil grin on his face and he's like well [TS]

  you know I I I wanted to see if it was [TS]

  just as good as you said it was and he [TS]

  pulls it out of his pocket and he's been [TS]

  playing with it for the last two hours [TS]

  unbeknownst to me while we're opening [TS]

  presence so he unwrapped the thing [TS]

  rewrapped it without the item and had [TS]

  the entire hit in his pocket the entire [TS]

  time and so then he put it back in the [TS]

  box and handed to you and said give this [TS]

  to your sister [TS]

  yeah i think i might have that is my [TS]

  father has it has a long history of [TS]

  doing that when I got my first guitar [TS]

  there was a scavenger hunt in 14 parts [TS]

  which which led to the trunk of his car [TS]

  which sounds like actually there isn't [TS]

  it was the body that goes with the head [TS]

  that was not exactly in the nesting doll [TS]

  back anytime buddy Adam my my dad likes [TS]

  likes playing tricks and but that's yeah [TS]

  lots lots of evil parenting stories on [TS]

  the podcast today that's that is crazy [TS]

  my parents never did I think anything [TS]

  like that my uncle once brought me a box [TS]

  that was enormous and it had eight boxes [TS]

  inside with padding in [TS]

  in the end what it was was a two-headed [TS]

  nickel [TS]

  yeah yeah and where two bodies in his [TS]

  trunk yeah after he put a matter yeah [TS]

  John what about you and remember bola [TS]

  memorable stories from holidays gone by [TS]

  I like that [TS]

  start by thanking ran for making us all [TS]

  feel old again because her childhood [TS]

  story was about the i-pod photo class [TS]

  that was like last year wasn't i was [TS]

  added I was 15 I was at that apple event [TS]

  with the with Bono and the edge of the [TS]

  at the california theatre in san jose [TS]

  when they rolled that thing out [TS]

  oh I was just I was just looking at the [TS]

  opening of the apple store today in two [TS]

  thousand yeah everyone and I'm like hey [TS]

  I went to I went to the glendale store [TS]

  opening and then Dan more and says yeah [TS]

  you were like 13 weren't you [TS]

  and then I said no comment yeah our own [TS]

  been boy jack will cover that event for [TS]

  macworld I remember him him making [TS]

  comments about the people in line [TS]

  actually I'm a little afraid that [TS]

  doesn't sound like Bennett no not at all [TS]

  not at all okay so John yes the rest of [TS]

  us we've established that the rest of us [TS]

  are old i think we've established and [TS]

  i'm almost every week but no one noticed [TS]

  it wasn't for her because we all have [TS]

  similar memories and I know follow that [TS]

  it's like ran just play along and say [TS]

  that you love in the macro carry out [TS]

  your Atari your nintendo gameboy what's [TS]

  that with Oh pawn your original pong [TS]

  game i did get it a powerbook duo for [TS]

  Christmas one year so i can i can talk [TS]

  about my old Mac stuff [TS]

  hand me downs but I can talk about them [TS]

  like their new alright sure it's not [TS]

  it's not working [TS]

  John what about you practicing whatever [TS]

  is back longer deeper into time yeah [TS]

  well I've got two things one of them is [TS]

  not really geeky but i have to throw it [TS]

  out there and the other one is geeky so [TS]

  the non-key one is to quote a christmas [TS]

  story is the greatest Christmas gift [TS]

  I've ever received or ever would receive [TS]

  in contrast to all these parents who are [TS]

  cruel and torture their children this is [TS]

  the reverse type of story so when I was [TS]

  about ten i wanted a bike for Christmas [TS]

  but I didn't just want a regular bike i [TS]

  was already corning my [TS]

  taste for extremely expensive things and [TS]

  I wanted a specific bike which was [TS]

  nineteen eighty-four mongoose [TS]

  Californian which I think was like two [TS]

  hundred fifty dollars in nineteen [TS]

  eighties money i don't know how much was [TS]

  but since I was 10 years old it's just [TS]

  an astronomical amount of money and I [TS]

  remember I asked for it because i had [TS]

  seen someone in the neighborhood had one [TS]

  and I didn't expect to get it and spend [TS]

  time begging I didn't you know I do all [TS]

  the things that I would later do to [TS]

  ensure that i got expensive presence and [TS]

  I we went through the whole Christmas [TS]

  morning and I didn't get it and then at [TS]

  the end of Christmas morning they took [TS]

  me out to the porch and there was the [TS]

  bike and I still have the bike and it's [TS]

  still in my basement and even though [TS]

  it's not a gift to talk about it in a [TS]

  literal mileage for a gift i rode that [TS]

  bike for when i was ten years old until [TS]

  practically I had no license to drive a [TS]

  car and it went like six weeks just [TS]

  about [TS]

  I'm not New York you know when you're [TS]

  seventeen seventy years is a long time [TS]

  my formative years were spent on that on [TS]

  the hard plastic seat of that bicycle [TS]

  what kind of city was it was like a [TS]

  banana seat or not we don't want to [TS]

  start with your x-bike a mongoose you [TS]

  know it's got the that ridiculously [TS]

  uncomfortable hard plastic seat for [TS]

  racing because it was lightweight but it [TS]

  definitely gave me a taste for expensive [TS]

  things because it was very different [TS]

  from like that you know happy that you [TS]

  would get down at toys r us or whatever [TS]

  this was like a serious bike with ball [TS]

  bearings and everything but you do drive [TS]

  some crazy expensive car now i would if [TS]

  i had the money feel free if anyone [TS]

  would like me to drive you crazy [TS]

  expensive color on those animals and [TS]

  links on the podcast and instead of [TS]

  driving a crazy expensive the car I i [TS]

  read car magazines and I read about [TS]

  crazy expensive cars not which I [TS]

  actually own it so my second gift is [TS]

  Giggy and this is long after the phase [TS]

  when I had shifted into high gear in [TS]

  terms of doing whatever it took to get [TS]

  the increasingly expensive gifts that I [TS]

  wanted and I like ran my birthday's in [TS]

  december so I always pulled the [TS]

  combination birthday Christmas thing to [TS]

  get presence there were financially you [TS]

  know unfeasible otherwise the way to go [TS]

  it's like it's like something you'd see [TS]

  on Wall Street where it's like well now [TS]

  if we take a coupon from the birthday [TS]

  and then we apply that to the Christmas [TS]

  ya know [TS]

  is it was there was a hard hard sell and [TS]

  this is a special trip computer [TS]

  equipment i was I always had my heart [TS]

  set on computer equipment so i have like [TS]

  months ahead of time i have the catalog [TS]

  that have you know Mac user magazine [TS]

  maybe with an article by old man Jason [TS]

  Snelling it they would open up the net [TS]

  connection page that was in the [TS]

  beginning the seven page spread from [TS]

  that connection remember that yeah [TS]

  what's wrong with the headset she was my [TS]

  warehouse not reason haha i bet on those [TS]

  aster yeah so at any rate i would add [TS]

  the the catalogs that would come in the [TS]

  mail I would circle the stuff i would [TS]

  find the best price you know and i would [TS]

  say this is what I want and I know it's [TS]

  a lot of money and the other thing I [TS]

  would pull is that i would say look I [TS]

  know this is really expensive but I got [TS]

  Christmas I've got my birthday and i'll [TS]

  pay for some portion of it with my own [TS]

  money so i will also be saving my money [TS]

  all year long to add to the giant pool [TS]

  of money to pay for this thing [TS]

  wow what the the what was this amazing [TS]

  thing that I wanted for 450 dollars [TS]

  again and you know 1986-87 mind just an [TS]

  astronomical amount for an individual [TS]

  person for a present under the tree like [TS]

  a hard drive with an 800 k floppy drive [TS]

  external hard drive for my mac plus and [TS]

  you know why that was that was such a [TS]

  significant gift because you wouldn't [TS]

  have to swap discs you understand you [TS]

  can put your OS disk in onedrive and [TS]

  your applications the other drive and it [TS]

  was like you had doubled the room to put [TS]

  forget about hard drives are [TS]

  entertaining fantasy part i have a mac [TS]

  plus with one floppy drive that was 800 [TS]

  k which was you know twice as big as [TS]

  foreigners are pretty good but man if [TS]

  I'd to 800 k discs i would just put two [TS]

  discs in there and I would never need [TS]

  anything else in my entire life so I i [TS]

  burned through huge amount of goodwill [TS]

  and nagging at the end of the time i got [TS]

  a you know 800k floppy this drive for [TS]

  400 and something dollars and that was [TS]

  probably the best gift I ever possibly [TS]

  got that look back and I'm like oh how [TS]

  could I have been so excited about a [TS]

  floppy drive but I was man i was excited [TS]

  more excited when I was in my hard drive [TS]

  soon so upgrading from a cat cassette [TS]

  tape to a disk drive changed my life [TS]

  yeah but this isn't afraid it's very [TS]

  very sad isn't it [TS]

  when I think like what you can get for [TS]

  450 dollars you know get an entire ipod [TS]

  touch that has more computing power and [TS]

  storage than 70 Mac plus this pilot heap [TS]

  can get two of them being the John so [TS]

  while I'm I your story amazes and [TS]

  confuses me [TS]

  did you did you end up having to kick in [TS]

  money of your own [TS]

  oh yeah I kicked in over a hundred [TS]

  dollars to get towards that presents a [TS]

  serious and potentially cash value with [TS]

  your parents [TS]

  well i would say look here's here's the [TS]

  best price i could find for it and you [TS]

  know here is like the relative cost of [TS]

  the gifts you getting for the other [TS]

  children in the family [TS]

  he's on an offset that yeah because he [TS]

  couldn't be like I'm not gonna get you [TS]

  you know well we know your sister wants [TS]

  this and your brother wants that and you [TS]

  want some 450 dollar computer thing that [TS]

  I didn't understand the stuff they're [TS]

  like we don't know what this is [TS]

  we don't know why cost 450 dollars [TS]

  what's wrong with the computer that we [TS]

  have it already cost the Brazilians was [TS]

  a presentation with like poster boards [TS]

  on a tripod teachers look it was a cam [TS]

  sister to talk up like to ask for [TS]

  something really expensive because i [TS]

  needed on top here that's not how it [TS]

  worked and then they would do anything [TS]

  to make sure that i didn't get this [TS]

  because they thought they thought it was [TS]

  done to me try explaining in any [TS]

  eighties of floppy drive to anyone in [TS]

  your family doesn't know anything about [TS]

  computers connected already has a floppy [TS]

  drive John what exactly one and that [TS]

  computer costs like 25 hundred dollars [TS]

  like astronomically expensive [TS]

  twenty-five hundred dollars in a tease [TS]

  money like we already bought this [TS]

  expensive computer for the family [TS]

  quote-unquote and i spent you know all [TS]

  my time on it no one else was allowed to [TS]

  touch it in or do they understand it but [TS]

  now I want anything else eighties money [TS]

  had a picture of rick astley on it was a [TS]

  tease money like i had Michael J Fox on [TS]

  it intensely is actually well rick [TS]

  astley was on the two but Michael J Fox [TS]

  was on the 50 [TS]

  it's just it's funny because I did [TS]

  something very very similar and on top [TS]

  of that it's funny because my dad and I [TS]

  were the two big technology geeks in the [TS]

  family [TS]

  his birthdays the day after mine so [TS]

  sometimes like when my dad got the wall [TS]

  street i remember he was basically [TS]

  pestering my mother [TS]

  unlike all right let's let's uh let's I [TS]

  know this is a lot of money but let's [TS]

  put it aside so I can buy this wall [TS]

  street powerbook g3 because it's really [TS]

  awesome and it's an upgrade from the duo [TS]

  and I'm like okay I can get the duo if I [TS]

  can pester mom to help you get the wall [TS]

  street so it became kind of like a joint [TS]

  tag-team effort and very very silly [TS]

  things but totally with the with the [TS]

  poster boards and the spreadsheets and [TS]

  bargaining with the siblings always [TS]

  happened every year [TS]

  Wow ourselves a mercenary time in my [TS]

  life definitely well I mean you gotta do [TS]

  what you gotta do I'm just impressed [TS]

  with your with your attention to detail [TS]

  or something like that so we're talking [TS]

  about a presence that we got our or [TS]

  apparently negotiated or horrible things [TS]

  our parents did to us to mock us and not [TS]

  give us presents those are the various [TS]

  topics that we've got on the podcast [TS]

  Diane Warren what about you do you have [TS]

  a particularly for horrifying or [TS]

  gratifying story i have two stories that [TS]

  I thought of my head one which was and [TS]

  this is kind of indistinct because from [TS]

  when i was younger i remember getting [TS]

  some sort of transformer when I was [TS]

  probably i don't know seven or something [TS]

  seven or eight and i remember i have [TS]

  very big memories all I remember is that [TS]

  it turned into a car and it's like the [TS]

  Micronauts right [TS]

  transformers yeah i can just look under [TS]

  before before Michael Bay decided to [TS]

  just didn't you know desecrate my entire [TS]

  childhood so we were having this and I [TS]

  remember being in my uncle's place in [TS]

  upstate New York where we spend [TS]

  Christmas and I was like I'm so psyched [TS]

  about this and i was driving it all [TS]

  around the floors and everything and I [TS]

  just thought this was the coolest thing [TS]

  ever [TS]

  and then on the way home we got a we got [TS]

  a flat tire on the drive back to Boston [TS]

  and it was dark it was right raining or [TS]

  snowing or something we hammer we pulled [TS]

  over understand this bridge and somehow [TS]

  for some reason and i'm still unclear [TS]

  how and why this happens in my memory [TS]

  that the it got left behind at the place [TS]

  we pulled over on the road and so I [TS]

  never saw you like we're carrying around [TS]

  and thought I think I must have been so [TS]

  yeah anyways I don't even know why I got [TS]

  out of my car frankly at that point but [TS]

  I don't have a transformer and it's [TS]

  raining outside and it turns into a car [TS]

  and you're stopped on the side of the [TS]

  road I mean but I mean we're talking [TS]

  like like you know six seven o'clock at [TS]

  night it's just pitch black outside to [TS]

  like run around you know the mass pike [TS]

  or something so it's not like the kind [TS]

  of place you're going to get out and [TS]

  play on the side of the road but anyway [TS]

  repressed memory in there i think yeah [TS]

  exactly what i would actually happen we [TS]

  could do a whole movie out of this but I [TS]

  mean I remember just being crushed is [TS]

  the thing like I mean not physically [TS]

  obviously but I I just remember being so [TS]

  sad about this and you know wanting to [TS]

  go back and look for it and and [TS]

  well there's no you know we can't go [TS]

  back there is no way to go back there [TS]

  and then I was just I was just you know [TS]

  inconsolable for four years afterwards [TS]

  so I can't really remember what I got [TS]

  for most of the rest of my childhood as [TS]

  christmas brother sister should focus on [TS]

  your transformer I was so focused that [TS]

  lost it but i will say that the other [TS]

  the other present that I got which was [TS]

  later in my life this is you know after [TS]

  this is like my junior year of college [TS]

  was I you know I did the Christmas [TS]

  morning with my parents and you know [TS]

  that my mother put some stuff in the [TS]

  stocking like normally awesome candy and [TS]

  things like that and then headed soul [TS]

  like little small Q boxes like few [TS]

  inches by a few inches i assume you know [TS]

  maybe she got me like a mug or something [TS]

  and I opened it up and it was an [TS]

  original ipod in the year that the [TS]

  original ipod came out and this was a [TS]

  total under surprised me i hadn't asked [TS]

  for one [TS]

  i mean like i had mentioned it to them [TS]

  like because I remember this was the [TS]

  year how's Marilyn yeah so it came out [TS]

  like october and I was thinking actually [TS]

  didn't didn't come out until now it was [TS]

  announced it was now see in October [TS]

  because i remember being in the library [TS]

  at school when I when they announced it [TS]

  yeah and I remember being in a room with [TS]

  Steve genuine oh yeah I don't read that [TS]

  in Jason yeah well anyway so we rubbed [TS]

  it was a it was i I you know I think a [TS]

  lot of times when I was a kid my parents [TS]

  would ask me what i want for christmas [TS]

  or I tell them you know I want this toy [TS]

  or whatever and so there wasn't always a [TS]

  lot it was like nice but that wasn't [TS]

  always a lot of surprise to it right [TS]

  this is probably the only gift i think [TS]

  i've gotten ever in which I was really [TS]

  just like shocked like speechless [TS]

  because i could not believe because it [TS]

  was so expensive for one thing like at [TS]

  that point is like 500 bucks right [TS]

  that's like I couldn't believe that they [TS]

  would buy this for me you know [TS]

  especially because it's like a luxury [TS]

  thing and I just was sort of it totally [TS]

  taken aback and but they totally right [TS]

  there like odeon would love this [TS]

  yeah absolutely nail like I was so [TS]

  excited like I remember taking it home [TS]

  like on the drive back to home in my own [TS]

  car they were driving separately i try [TS]

  plugged it in and it actually like [TS]

  crashed place the look within the first [TS]

  like five minutes of using it [TS]

  I was like oh my god it's broken this is [TS]

  terrible that's the worst thing ever so [TS]

  I like pulled over into a gas station [TS]

  and I might put up a meet back when they [TS]

  still came with manuals like pulling out [TS]

  the manual like flipping through like [TS]

  there must be something I can do and I [TS]

  finally figured out that you could like [TS]

  restarted by holding down the menu [TS]

  button in the center button and then it [TS]

  came back up and I used it the rest of [TS]

  the ride home and I was just like this [TS]

  is this is the coolest thing ever and i [TS]

  was i was so excited you're rich ipods [TS]

  came with pre played like a playlist [TS]

  right well that was I to know came with [TS]

  the one that they I think the ones they [TS]

  gave out if they're the ones yeah they [TS]

  discussed once museum don't mind I have [TS]

  my University's i have my laptop there [TS]

  so i also had like like loaded up all my [TS]

  stuff from my old powerbook g3 onto it [TS]

  but it was just I was just blown away [TS]

  with how cool this was like I can pick [TS]

  whatever song I want to listen to i [TS]

  didn't have to trade my cds and work [TS]

  with all those burn cds i had made and [TS]

  man it was just it was probably about [TS]

  the coolest gift I've ever gotten so [TS]

  basically any more interference win at [TS]

  the end of that story and be that you [TS]

  left it on the side of the road you try [TS]

  again [TS]

  oh my god i would have I just would have [TS]

  not gone home and welcome no he would [TS]

  have gotten off the mass pike and [TS]

  doubled back and then going on that you [TS]

  know that if you can't tell ya how are [TS]

  ya yeah I mean I wait you're seven they [TS]

  don't leave your I've that would be [TS]

  unfortunate maybe we're chasing [TS]

  girlfriend harm another a tractor at 7i [TS]

  no no I didn't drive the tractor at [TS]

  seven tractor who wants to drive the [TS]

  tractor i drove the tractor it seven it [TS]

  is fun to have we i drove the lawn mower [TS]

  is a euphemism [TS]

  yeah that's cause this code for [TS]

  something that we had about my barn and [TS]

  drove the tractor actually what I what I [TS]

  because I pretty much drove the tractor [TS]

  through my entire childhood I really [TS]

  wish [TS]

  here now because he could go off on that [TS]

  and that would be that would be [TS]

  enjoyable process i'm glad he's not here [TS]

  because he would take that far too [TS]

  extreme and on with it and run with it [TS]

  into the born with the tractor dan it's [TS]

  funny when you talk about not knowing [TS]

  how that transformer got lost we my wife [TS]

  is Jewish so we do Hanukkah and [TS]

  Christmas and my son just got a kirby [TS]

  speaking of video games again he got a [TS]

  stuffed Kirby which he specifically [TS]

  asked for [TS]

  I think just in a litany of things that [TS]

  he thought were great and then we got [TS]

  him one he couldn't he was beside [TS]

  himself it was the greatest present ever [TS]

  cause it's like these exist and i have [TS]

  one [TS]

  how is that possible how are they [TS]

  listening to me yes we were listening to [TS]

  you son i but he takes that he took that [TS]

  everyone to school they're not allowed [TS]

  school stuffed animals can be at school [TS]

  unless they just stay in your bag when [TS]

  they're at school but he wanted to do [TS]

  that thing has not left his side other [TS]

  than going to school since we got it for [TS]

  him and that's what I thought when you [TS]

  talk about the Transformers like it's so [TS]

  awesome you might not even realize that [TS]

  you just got the death grip on it [TS]

  what about the death grip because then [TS]

  you can let it go and leave it by the [TS]

  side of the road but you know just to [TS]

  take it with you everywhere cause it's [TS]

  so cool you didn't love the transformer [TS]

  and I try there was the most i add slip [TS]

  out of your hands [TS]

  I'm thinking of a toy story montage [TS]

  where a single tears rolling down the [TS]

  Transformers cheap as you pull by this [TS]

  as you know in toy story they just [TS]

  turned into a car and drive away to the [TS]

  yeah very small car [TS]

  yeah very loving Autobots said if you [TS]

  know it's it's funny because you [TS]

  mentioned the the doing doing Hanukkah [TS]

  and up my dad's Jewish my mother's loops [TS]

  my mother celebrates Christmas and so I [TS]

  had the same sort of like bargaining [TS]

  thing with like well maybe I can get [TS]

  this for hanukkah but maybe I can get [TS]

  this for Christmas and I just suddenly [TS]

  remembered when thinking about that I [TS]

  wanted like because I would try to pole [TS]

  I know John was talking about the [TS]

  pulling the like the Christmas and [TS]

  birthday present combined i would i [TS]

  would try to pull the Hanukkah and [TS]

  Christmas present combined like always [TS]

  just getting this one thing and like you [TS]

  don't need to get me any other Hanukkah [TS]

  or Christmas presents and I remember [TS]

  that the one thing that I wanted at one [TS]

  point was a the castle from Ultron there [TS]

  is this like place at Castle white white [TS]

  Castle I just looked it up online [TS]

  because I was like I had a memory of it [TS]

  and looked it up like that is exactly [TS]

  what it was like [TS]

  except it looks much now i look at it [TS]

  and go it looks really lame daddy crappy [TS]

  toy I remember that but it looked [TS]

  awesome at the time but you know I was [TS]

  awesome was that were the metal diecast [TS]

  of Ultron line yeah we important that [TS]

  you get in the flea market I still have [TS]

  those somewhere i had was drastic i have [TS]

  the entire plastic Voltron as the [TS]

  american one that's not yeah not as good [TS]

  not as good but it's in pretty good [TS]

  shape i think it's missing like one wing [TS]

  or something [TS]

  that's a bad thing about the diecast [TS]

  metal ones they were delicate and broke [TS]

  really easily [TS]

  I remember my friend had one of those [TS]

  couldn't you argue that that by saying [TS]

  just don't give me any presents except [TS]

  this one thing you're basically saying [TS]

  hey cancel Hanukkah roll it all up in [TS]

  Christmas well he's getting a double is [TS]

  like hey I've got two different you know [TS]

  all that is is not double the amount now [TS]

  there's a time I mean as anyone relevant [TS]

  as ever celebrate Hanukkah as a child [TS]

  knows there's a time that you try to [TS]

  string it out and get a present for [TS]

  every day for all eight days and like [TS]

  each day and like it's you know maybe I [TS]

  think I might have pulled up once with [TS]

  my parents gave me like a small thing [TS]

  everyday but ok i'm also never have [TS]

  always been spoiling our children [TS]

  because we actually gave him something [TS]

  everyday [TS]

  nobody to love and you can just skip my [TS]

  ass you know isn't Monica doesn't have [TS]

  to look back at the biblical record and [TS]

  you can see the macro phoenix at the [TS]

  mcafee skip tonight I don't think so [TS]

  maybe I didn't know they were there like [TS]

  pineapple work so they were just about [TS]

  to be slaughtered I don't know the kirby [TS]

  stuffed animals figured Kurt Kirby [TS]

  passed over the firstborn and I don't [TS]

  know again I don't really know the [TS]

  people very well you put the blood of [TS]

  kirby on your friend haha wow it is [TS]

  turning to the horror podcast all the [TS]

  info from the video game podcast for the [TS]

  horrifying car that's religion and I was [TS]

  a fine line sometimes so so when I was [TS]

  when I was a kid I I as Greg alluded to [TS]

  earlier micronauts were my favorite toys [TS]

  and my the one the big present to [TS]

  mention this because i know it comes up [TS]

  every now and then the the rocket tubes [TS]

  I don't know if anybody remembers rocket [TS]

  tubes what rocket tubes was it wasn't [TS]

  even my crops for those figures rocket [TS]

  tubes wasn't even like that it was like [TS]

  they found a toy and said hey that's a [TS]

  good idea let's make that a micronauts [TS]

  toy and it was a bunch of plastic tubes [TS]

  that you snap together and there was a [TS]

  base this plastic base you plug in and [TS]

  it basically had a fan inside of it so [TS]

  you'd stick the tubes onto the base and [TS]

  then and it was like almost like a [TS]

  racetrack except it was a a tube of and [TS]

  it had this little like capsule that was [TS]

  a basically a plastic oval that fit of [TS]

  micro not in it you could stick a micro [TS]

  not inside and then you dropped it in [TS]

  the tube and turn on the fan and it [TS]

  created air [TS]

  pressure inside the tube and it would [TS]

  shoot the guy around like it was a [TS]

  racecar except it was all air pressure [TS]

  in this pneumatic tube [TS]

  maybe they had like leftover pneumatic [TS]

  tubes from them 15 like what the hell we [TS]

  gonna do with pneumatic tube technology [TS]

  nobody was that Hawaii thataway I [TS]

  diecast plastic toy brilliant [TS]

  let's play nineteen seventies [TS]

  drive-through banking window so that [TS]

  exactly what was the 70 so they just [TS]

  listening party from flow bees maybe it [TS]

  was just called banking window then Greg [TS]

  because it was the seventies and and so [TS]

  but the cool thing about it was that it [TS]

  had two modes it had the mode where you [TS]

  it was like a racetrack and you could [TS]

  like shoot you you flip the switch and [TS]

  the air would we go from being diverted [TS]

  to being pumped into the tube in it and [TS]

  the thing would shoot around and that [TS]

  was kinda cool but it got boring but the [TS]

  other thing you could do is it had a the [TS]

  the place where you diverted it was on [TS]

  top and it was also that same size kind [TS]

  of plastic ring so you could take the [TS]

  straight pieces and pop them on the top [TS]

  and stick the guy down in and then flip [TS]

  the switch and shoot the guy out with [TS]

  air pad apparent fly across the room and [TS]

  basically what happens when he reaches [TS]

  the end of the track because it can't be [TS]

  a certain way to pumping air pretty it [TS]

  is it was a circle it was a circle i [TS]

  think that was just-- and like a side [TS]

  vent yapping yeah exactly [TS]

  ok so it would go around it was slow [TS]

  down and speed up and it would and you [TS]

  know it was it was I think back down its [TS]

  like none of the things that i liked [TS]

  about the actual toys were in this [TS]

  product and yet man that TV commercial [TS]

  was awesome are the TV commercials [TS]

  always the best part like you watch [TS]

  those who like this thing looks so cool [TS]

  and then get it rarely measures up so [TS]

  can I see my style I supplies my kids do [TS]

  that now and the worst part is my kids [TS]

  don't have the immunity we all had the [TS]

  immunity of like watching lots of [TS]

  commercials and knowing well it's a [TS]

  commercial but it looks cool my kids we [TS]

  have you know tivo is my kids have no [TS]

  commercial immunity at all so that they [TS]

  will they will see a commercial and be [TS]

  like I must have that right now it is [TS]

  the greatest thing ever it's like no no [TS]

  commercial commercial made it's kinda [TS]

  scary though right guy like AC at though [TS]

  well sporting events or occasionally [TS]

  there's a lady or occasionally there's a [TS]

  kids show and they don't date they get [TS]

  bored and they don't or they're not [TS]

  paying attention they don't fast forward [TS]

  and in fact that's they [TS]

  today when we're not around and they're [TS]

  watching a kids show in the other room [TS]

  because we're better sr they don't ask [TS]

  for because the four sweet forbidden [TS]

  fruit of the commercial that's kind of [TS]

  scary though because it's one of those [TS]

  things that point out just how effective [TS]

  they are right like mine I like like [TS]

  there should be warning labels it's like [TS]

  mind control [TS]

  it's amazing although my son that [TS]

  happened once with my son where where I [TS]

  was watching back the the ipad [TS]

  introduction for work I was just because [TS]

  I was there and I I you know when you're [TS]

  covering it is dns you know especially [TS]

  it's kind of a blur and then you go back [TS]

  later maybe in low-level I've been to [TS]

  Steve Jobs events yeah occasionally our [TS]

  alright well that's true it's a blur [TS]

  this is your proof mother is my [TS]

  transformer anything anyway my my my son [TS]

  it [TS]

  I didn't realize was watching from [TS]

  behind the couch and after i was done he [TS]

  said daddy I have to have an ipad right [TS]

  now I'm so I don't know he's in the [TS]

  reality reality distortion field know [TS]

  and but it turns out it's just a [TS]

  commercial field he doesn't have any [TS]

  isn't immunity everything that you're [TS]

  trying to they're trying to sell the me [TS]

  right like they're trying to make me [TS]

  explain commercial six children when [TS]

  they first saw them I said he was [TS]

  watching a show and daddy what's this [TS]

  because he'd never seen that car before [TS]

  and I said I said the the commercials [TS]

  that was the commercial says it's the [TS]

  things they put on TV to make you buy [TS]

  stuff and now he now he is first [TS]

  impression of those that someone trying [TS]

  to make him do something so that's how [TS]

  he understands marshals and I don't [TS]

  battle against the idea of someone [TS]

  making him do anything that sounds like [TS]

  how we would make him do something still [TS]

  can't get pulled into the field but I [TS]

  also taught them had a 30-second skip [TS]

  very early on so he really does skip the [TS]

  stuff on his own like that you have your [TS]

  priorities in line i described [TS]

  commercials to my children as they're [TS]

  lying to you that takes it one step [TS]

  further [TS]

  ya welcome and you need to do that right [TS]

  because there's that that expectation [TS]

  gap where you seen on TV and it looks [TS]

  really cool and then when you get it [TS]

  you're like wow this is really growing [TS]

  up though isn't it like you have to [TS]

  learn that yourself and I make things [TS]

  like mail-order freshwater humiliating [TS]

  disappoint many ways own eight weeks for [TS]

  deriving the mail and I were commonly [TS]

  asked piece of crap that you saved your [TS]

  allowance oh my god stop talking i said [TS]

  in the world roxrite yeah i totally for [TS]

  the battle [TS]

  star Galactica play kit in whatever the [TS]

  1979 presumably and it took it was like [TS]

  a lot of six to eight weeks for delivery [TS]

  well first off that was a lie [TS]

  it took like a 14 weeks for delivery and [TS]

  when I got it was like pieces of [TS]

  cardboard that you could fold into the [TS]

  shape of a Viper pilots dashboard or [TS]

  something [TS]

  it was so disappointing and I i sent my [TS]

  valuable box tops in for that people [TS]

  saying shrimp are not actually mermen [TS]

  what i will say that they be the [TS]

  exception I roll my experience was used [TS]

  to love when I was a kid we had all of [TS]

  the like whenever you bought a set of [TS]

  legos they would come with like the [TS]

  catalog for all the lego sets and this [TS]

  is back when the girls were still good [TS]

  and wait and wait for legos not good [TS]

  news [TS]

  they're good to spend ok they're ok [TS]

  they're not they're not what they used [TS]

  to be [TS]

  can you only buys the whole we have a [TS]

  whole podcast about like all right okay [TS]

  anyway so like I remember what I would [TS]

  walk to school with my friends again the [TS]

  elementary school and have all the [TS]

  catalogs and they would divvy up and [TS]

  someone will be like the space catalog [TS]

  or like the town cataloguing the castle [TS]

  catalog and what we would like flip [TS]

  through those things and like pick out [TS]

  all the awesome sets that we wanted and [TS]

  I were that's that was the same sort of [TS]

  thing like you had to like fill out like [TS]

  an order form and make sure that you [TS]

  were like I would like fill out the [TS]

  order forms for my parents and be like [TS]

  because United trust them right to get [TS]

  the right sets and everything so I would [TS]

  fill them all out and then they would [TS]

  take like like six to eight weeks to [TS]

  show up and it would just be like every [TS]

  day coming home and lights and waiting [TS]

  by the door for kids torture you and you [TS]

  don't really realize mine is torture if [TS]

  I can't wait the amazon prime [TS]

  deliberately have two days have been [TS]

  talking two days and they can't believe [TS]

  that you're offering at the mouth by the [TS]

  time the fedex guy showed up [TS]

  dan didn't you want the princess castle [TS]

  know what one of them [TS]

  hello curse you I would be so sad you [TS]

  can't trust your parents my parents my [TS]

  parents were like hey you like it's the [TS]

  80s you like music here's a Thompson [TS]

  Twins cassette like you can't just go to [TS]

  go to the drugstore and buy a tape and [TS]

  so yeah it's music from the eighties [TS]

  were in the eighties now he's a kid [TS]

  enjoy doesn't know dr. dog was it only [TS]

  in the nineties where they would do like [TS]

  if you signed up for a book fair at [TS]

  school you could potentially get these [TS]

  weird like special edition packets of [TS]

  whatever seems things like I remember [TS]

  using too easy to get like sign up for [TS]

  the Star Wars special edition packet [TS]

  where you get like a membership packet [TS]

  every month if you paid 1295 and their [TS]

  be maybe like a cute little cardboard [TS]

  taught toy but also like special [TS]

  exclusive content from George Lucas are [TS]

  from like one of them was that only like [TS]

  a nineties thing that we spent the past [TS]

  ten years trying to not get special card [TS]

  4gb exactly the opposite you get to take [TS]

  I find up and shove it back into George [TS]

  Lucas there's a podcast wow i'm still [TS]

  waiting for that movie by the way the [TS]

  people versus George Lucas I don't know [TS]

  if it's out yet but I'm I'm ready for [TS]

  that one [TS]

  there's a whole something on your [TS]

  Christmas letters and yes they're too [TS]

  man [TS]

  we we we are gonna you know I have to [TS]

  break it to the listeners of the [TS]

  incomparable bad news we have lots of [TS]

  ideas for topics we may be here for a [TS]

  while so if you're waiting for us to [TS]

  give up your dumb sorry we might not be [TS]

  able to give up because we gotta cover [TS]

  you know all the star wars' I just was [TS]

  thinking when was talking about that I [TS]

  was remembering Star Wars cards and then [TS]

  it's like baseball cards and was like [TS]

  that we had blue cards and then there [TS]

  were the yellow cards in the red cards [TS]

  and you open a package like oh these are [TS]

  the greencards their crappy the moment I [TS]

  call it a whole bunch of those later on [TS]

  in like I remember what year when the [TS]

  early nineties maybe that they must be [TS]

  after that because they had these like [TS]

  widescreen cards that tops came out with [TS]

  that were all like scenes from the star [TS]

  wars movie yeah that's it that was much [TS]

  that was much later [TS]

  hey I had a ton of us greg did you and I [TS]

  were of the generation while you make [TS]

  might have been a little tool for that [TS]

  when when there's like the boba fett or [TS]

  you're sorry [TS]

  well I know maybe you were the right [TS]

  generation when they're like promise to [TS]

  boba fett but they didn't fire away [TS]

  back or know what was it wasn't no star [TS]

  wars action figures in 77 where the with [TS]

  a wood saw an empty promise all the [TS]

  action figures and you all you got was a [TS]

  box with nothing in it and the promise [TS]

  of action figures because they can't [TS]

  read manufacture them in time for the [TS]

  popularity of the movie so you go to the [TS]

  store and what you buy with your money [TS]

  was this empty cardboard box with little [TS]

  pictures of the things that you might [TS]

  get eventually I never bought action [TS]

  figures but i do remember that friends [TS]

  had like a Luke who had a lightsaber [TS]

  stuck-up is only a little [TS]

  yeah they were all nighter yeah that's [TS]

  the anything about my parents also know [TS]

  not what they didn't allow video games [TS]

  they also my mother specifically did not [TS]

  allow weapons [TS]

  John and I have to call my dentist our [TS]

  wires they took away all the guns I [TS]

  think I money like that everywhere he [TS]

  goes no I'm not Amish I'd just my mother [TS]

  was a hippie but they couldn't take away [TS]

  lightsabers because they're all inserted [TS]

  into the arms a little bit well you can [TS]

  pull it matters ever made like some yea [TS]

  though they didn't read that but you [TS]

  could like pull up the plastic insert [TS]

  but the writing and lifesavers whatever [TS]

  those little black but then later on [TS]

  everyone [TS]

  I don't like later on I had a Return of [TS]

  the Jedi Luke that actually had like a [TS]

  detachable white sangria that we're [TS]

  gonna involve in figures and they got [TS]

  over the years to 12-inch figures the [TS]

  Barbie figures with the all the extra [TS]

  accessories I modern tell you that I [TS]

  loved that had like a removable helmet [TS]

  when they were awesome [TS]

  they were on the same scale as the [TS]

  Barbies I i had actually thanks for [TS]

  mentioning that ran because I i got one [TS]

  Christmas I got AI got a Barbie [TS]

  Winnebago and you may be asking Jason I [TS]

  didn't know you play with Barbies I [TS]

  didn't but my Captain Kirk mr. Spock [TS]

  dolls were on the exact same scale so [TS]

  Captain Kirk mr. Spock would take [TS]

  adventures in their shuttle and have it [TS]

  was a Winnebago and I think I inherited [TS]

  that a bad room and and you could you [TS]

  could you lift up it had a retractable [TS]

  kind of metal roof yeah and I had that I [TS]

  had is inherited that from 10 minutes [TS]

  that was great Captain Kirk mr. Spock [TS]

  the adventures they had that Winnebago [TS]

  who I had a 12 pitch radar we can cancel [TS]

  the most flash fiction know what since [TS]

  last fall and that's all I had it I had [TS]

  a 12-inch GI joe that had actual stubble [TS]

  on his head and a scar on his face was [TS]

  before they made him pitch friendly he [TS]

  wasn't anything I was originally a toast [TS]

  Vietnam g [TS]

  I Joe my we started out before they [TS]

  track him down into a quote-unquote [TS]

  action figure because boys don't play [TS]

  with dolls PDF flyer max to every once [TS]

  in awhile he would go in slaughter [TS]

  Superman punch back action [TS]

  wow you Superman Superman had a rubber a [TS]

  bicep muscle you could wrap a little [TS]

  piece of silver plastic around and so [TS]

  when you flex his arm it would pop the [TS]

  steel band off their search are clever [TS]

  in those days I feel like instead of [TS]

  just relying on like battery power and [TS]

  light up the whole transformers are [TS]

  pretty clever over 24 hours were pretty [TS]

  cool [TS]

  yeah july gotta get out this form right [TS]

  now we're terrible as again there are [TS]

  plastic right and there didn't we were [TS]

  not like metal ones when I was in we [TS]

  send we spent last year a long time [TS]

  trying to find transformer that was the [TS]

  basic you know it's a it's a guy who [TS]

  folds up into a car and we couldn't even [TS]

  find any of them because now they're all [TS]

  like in little pieces are you sticking [TS]

  together with your animals and crap or [TS]

  Orchestra tuning on the old ones where [TS]

  they were my son had one that he kinda [TS]

  like but it was super simple you can [TS]

  push it together it was a car and then [TS]

  it would press a button and it popped up [TS]

  and it was a robot top in a car which is [TS]

  not fun [TS]

  so it's really the Transformers even you [TS]

  know I blame Michael know that I still [TS]

  have online identity now I should start [TS]

  something to like pay for what 10 i'm [TS]

  gonna go cry now [TS]

  wow wow I do like a transformer so much [TS]

  but you can't remember which one it was [TS]

  so how much do you really like blocked [TS]

  it out [TS]

  seriously we'll just look at all your [TS]

  Transformers now and see which one is [TS]

  missing [TS]

  aye aye aye aye win but I bought a micro [TS]

  not on ebay a couple years ago no one [TS]

  I've already bought like go on ebay [TS]

  starting sighs and I I saved my biotron [TS]

  now that's a you from missing and MIT [TS]

  and yet hehe damage so I blame my [TS]

  parents I think this room way and so I [TS]

  went on on ebay and i found one and now [TS]

  he's he stands up on the top of my [TS]

  bookshelf in my bedroom and looks down [TS]

  on me and says foolish foolish human i [TS]

  am but a lump of plans i'm sure he's not [TS]

  the only thing looking down here [TS]

  no there's there's there's a bunch of [TS]

  stuff looking down on me from up there [TS]

  that's what you meant at night [TS]

  yeah absolutely what I'm not you [TS]

  familiar with all pretty much everybody [TS]

  else on the podcast is looking down [TS]

  Jason yeah after some of the stories I [TS]

  heard today I i'm not sure about they're [TS]

  on the same dirty plane [TS]

  yeah yeah really so well I think that [TS]

  we've done enough damage for one day so [TS]

  I would like to thank my guests for [TS]

  joining me today for this special [TS]

  holiday filled edition of the [TS]

  uncomfortable so thank you Dan Morgan [TS]

  thanks for having me thank you John [TS]

  siracusa thank you Greg NOS thank you [TS]

  again [TS]

  happy Holidays Happy Holidays and ran [TS]

  called well thank you thank you pleasure [TS]

  as always [TS]

  alright and until next time this is [TS]

  jason l thanks for listening to the [TS]

  encounter [TS]

  happy holidays Roman anyone at the [TS]

  incomparable podcast visit us at the [TS]

  incomparable dot-com [TS]

  dan is coming that's why he's not here [TS]

  yes thank you Wow we'll put that on the [TS]

  end with all of the other any Syracuse's [TS]

  slot as I'll now call it yeah I [TS]

  appreciate that last time ago i think i [TS]

  went a little long [TS]

  just got to get the feet the little [TS]

  nuggets like if someone makes a strange [TS]

  noise during the finger says a weird [TS]

  word just that one word can be the thing [TS]

  or you can have two minutes of talk i'm [TS]

  glad to have you here to explain the [TS]

  proper format for the junk that gets [TS]

  left at the end of an excellent source [TS]

  of things other people should do that i [TS]

  don't have to do one day we might have a [TS]

  podcast where there isn't anything left [TS]

  in the cutting room floor at the perfect [TS]

  podcast sadly today is not that no today [TS]

  we dream about it [TS]

  listen to that I wonder what that means [TS]

  it means it is time no see I can't say [TS]

  that cuz there's no context right it's [TS]

  time for the in pop imponderable podcast [TS]

  I do that every time [TS]

  stop stop stop stop with the music [TS]

  yourself talking about the perfect vodka [TS]

  i know i know you can talk about it [TS]

  totally ruins it [TS]

  okay feel better now excuse me the [TS]

  spoiler horn has come in law [TS]

  pace yourself pace yourself it's a long [TS]

  podcast god that's everything long [TS]

  podcast [TS]