The Incomparable

25: Studied His Agrippa


  the incomparable podcast is Morgenstern [TS]

  page one number 25 for february's 2011 i [TS]

  would like to tell you a story based on [TS]

  a film based on a book that's not based [TS]

  on another quick didn't ever actually [TS]

  exist the topic today is the princess [TS]

  bride a fine film from the nineteen [TS]

  eighties a good decade directed by [TS]

  robert wieder a movie that was a minor [TS]

  success i suppose at the time and yet [TS]

  has become one of the most quoted and I [TS]

  think beloved cult if it can even be [TS]

  called a cult film anymore so much to [TS]

  talk about joining me today to discuss [TS]

  this beloved film our serenity Caldwell [TS]

  hi Jason Glenn fleischmann howdy [TS]

  Greg moss hello Jason and Dan Morgan hi [TS]

  Jason [TS]

  thanks for coming back it's been awhile [TS]

  it has so the princess bride a movie [TS]

  that i don't think i ever saw in the [TS]

  theater I was alive when it was in the [TS]

  theater which puts me up on some people [TS]

  who [TS]

  yeah that's ok but but I didn't see it [TS]

  either i did I saw on home video and I [TS]

  was wondering what everybody was quoting [TS]

  I didn't understand any of the quotes [TS]

  when people were quoting things in [TS]

  college I had no idea and then I saw the [TS]

  princess bride well those are all from [TS]

  one movie and I think we're going to [TS]

  need to establish the ground all that [TS]

  the first person who kind of [TS]

  unintentionally spasmodically quotes the [TS]

  movie losses or did they win [TS]

  no they lose they lose the game points [TS]

  for style [TS]

  ok ok so you've got to go this entire [TS]

  podcast without making a reference to [TS]

  the princess bride I don't think that's [TS]

  gonna work [TS]

  that's inconceivable in fact there are i [TS]

  was gonna say never go in against a [TS]

  sicilian when death comes online it's [TS]

  only mostly inconceivable [TS]

  now this podcast is over yes so first [TS]

  thing I wanted to talk about about the [TS]

  princess bride is to begin at the [TS]

  beginning and talk about the framing [TS]

  sequence because one of the interesting [TS]

  things about this movie is that it is it [TS]

  is a once-upon-a-time kind of fairytale [TS]

  and it is told as [TS]

  story by a grandfather to his grandson [TS]

  and so we've got these scenes at the [TS]

  beginning end in a couple places in the [TS]

  Middle not too much they don't they [TS]

  don't overdo it [TS]

  where you've got what you got young Fred [TS]

  Savage young before the wonder years [TS]

  even young fred savage and old Peter [TS]

  Falk before he was really really old [TS]

  Peter Falk but still old a little bit [TS]

  scary and Fred savages in his room with [TS]

  his chicago bears stephane and he's [TS]

  playing I think it's micro League [TS]

  Baseball I'm like a Commodore 64 and and [TS]

  then we and then he tells Peter Falk [TS]

  tells him the story of the princess [TS]

  bride is Morgenstern and then you know [TS]

  he interjected a few points in at the [TS]

  end there it is spoilered huh [TS]

  he finishes the story at the end and and [TS]

  it's kind of hard work but I it's [TS]

  interesting that they chose to do this i [TS]

  mean the space on a book the book itself [TS]

  has its own framing sequence which is a [TS]

  little bit different and how would you [TS]

  adapt that but it is charming although [TS]

  every time I put in the movie i'm i'm [TS]

  shocked because the the main part of the [TS]

  story is so timeless and yet the framing [TS]

  sequence is so so very eighties it's the [TS]

  original book i think i read a librarian [TS]

  high school suggested it to me and I [TS]

  don't think she told me that it was a [TS]

  parody and i think i was just naive [TS]

  enough that when I read it I thought it [TS]

  was I don't know who you're callin was [TS]

  and so I started reading it and I don't [TS]

  you know I should have even at that [TS]

  point known because i was at like film [TS]

  and I was like man this is sort of [TS]

  bizarre and while I guess the original [TS]

  book would really boring and they're [TS]

  like oh okay I get it now I think I [TS]

  should have seen that already but yeah [TS]

  okay because he's talking about how he's [TS]

  adapted it from the original form s [TS]

  Morgenstern in there lots of footnotes [TS]

  and judge things like that he took out a [TS]

  40-page sequence describing the flory [TS]

  and royalty and how they dress it was an [TS]

  elaborate parody that is Morgenstern is [TS]

  written that he didn't think modern [TS]

  audiences were peasants it's like half a [TS]

  paragraph and it just blows by it you [TS]

  think wow it was written so colloquially [TS]

  actually read a little bit like [TS]

  nonfiction until starting until you get [TS]

  to rodents of unusual size and some [TS]

  other obvious giveaways but it seemed [TS]

  like he was reinterpreting a story it's [TS]

  like someone found talkin lord of the [TS]

  rings and turned it into a [TS]

  your page breezy tale about a guide us [TS]

  to throw a runaway well i think if you [TS]

  look at the actual like circumstances [TS]

  that arose in the inn in Goldman's [TS]

  writing the story which is to say I [TS]

  believe he has two daughters and yes I'm [TS]

  one night [TS]

  what do you want to hear a story about [TS]

  before you go to bed and one of them [TS]

  said a princess and the other one said a [TS]

  bride so he combined them basically to [TS]

  create this and so it has a very Desiree [TS]

  bedtime story quality right like it [TS]

  veers off in strange directions but as [TS]

  though it is all being invented on the [TS]

  spot in some ways but as if you drop off [TS]

  momentarily you wake up and the plot is [TS]

  really remarkably different because we [TS]

  missed a piece of it and very colloquial [TS]

  like you know like sort of a dry humor [TS]

  of a you know someone telling a story [TS]

  that is set in grounded in a particular [TS]

  time but he's telling it from the [TS]

  perspective of a time that like like [TS]

  jason said like you know the family [TS]

  stories very narrow in anchored in the [TS]

  eighties and so it has a very the whole [TS]

  thing has a very anachronistic style to [TS]

  it right like the people the way people [TS]

  talk for a lot of it and the the jokes [TS]

  and references are all like Billy [TS]

  Crystal's characters is exactly such a [TS]

  random you know random voice that the [TS]

  miracle it the miracle max and Valerie [TS]

  his wife do it's it's it's even miracle [TS]

  max and Valerie Wright like us don't [TS]

  know it seemed to fit in a semi in the [TS]

  world of the story but they do because [TS]

  nothing quite fits when I first saw the [TS]

  movie i thought they just didn't fit all [TS]

  it seemed just just bled into me and [TS]

  then I read the book in there in the [TS]

  book exactly the same way they're [TS]

  described as elderly Jews in the book [TS]

  and you know this was this was from a [TS]

  time like before Europe was invented is [TS]

  the quote that uses and then his copy [TS]

  editor he says he says in the notes that [TS]

  his copy editor it in the notes within [TS]

  the book that is copy editor said how [TS]

  could how is that even possible before [TS]

  Europe has invented was that mean [TS]

  and so his invented copy editor he says [TS]

  that's the first time they've had gotten [TS]

  emotional with me in the margins and the [TS]

  the book is an astonishingly faithful [TS]

  adaptation he leaves out very very [TS]

  little in his screenplay and everything [TS]

  proceeds exactly as its he got exactly [TS]

  what he wanted and Goldman wrote the [TS]

  screenplay too right yeah I noticed i'm [TS]

  watching it there actually are some [TS]

  editing and continuity [TS]

  there's like the movie is a little [TS]

  sloppier than I remember [TS]

  no Mike's come down into this into the [TS]

  scene but they really uh it's it's a [TS]

  it's choppy at points not sure that's [TS]

  intentional to follow the book story or [TS]

  because they just kinda you know they [TS]

  whipped it out this is not gotten me you [TS]

  know 25-year golden deluxe reissue [TS]

  anniversary set yet [TS]

  well that's actually not true because i [TS]

  own this island this movie on DVD twice [TS]

  already [TS]

  really one of them is the anniversary [TS]

  edition and it does have some extras and [TS]

  stuff that the original and I think the [TS]

  print is a little bit better is the [TS]

  printer master that would be my only [TS]

  question [TS]

  yeah it still doesn't look at grabbing [TS]

  this is a movie that is deserving of a [TS]

  real rehab treatment although i don't [TS]

  know how they shot and how good the [TS]

  quality of the masterís but but they [TS]

  did do something like that they added a [TS]

  commentary track and some interviews and [TS]

  I've actually seen this in in 35 [TS]

  millimeter film at are at our college [TS]

  campus movie theater when I was when I [TS]

  was an undergrad I'm and the print was [TS]

  was terrible and of course but I mean [TS]

  you know you go it was at midnight and [TS]

  everybody went there and of course [TS]

  everybody is quoting along and so it [TS]

  didn't really matter if it was a [TS]

  terrible printer not it was a great [TS]

  experience rocky horror of fantasy [TS]

  movies [TS]

  it kind of reminded me of ladyhawke i [TS]

  just rewatched it input i noticed during [TS]

  the preparation for this podcast i just [TS]

  rewatched you watching you watch [TS]

  ladyhawke in preparation for this month [TS]

  yell but i have i have seen part of it [TS]

  recently love Lady Hawks with my [TS]

  favorite films from that time I was [TS]

  trying to think of other movies that are [TS]

  like this and the only thing I could [TS]

  come up with was Stardust it's kind of a [TS]

  self-conscious adventure parody Omar I [TS]

  think princess brides the rest of them [TS]

  but why don't they make more movies like [TS]

  this i think this is a terrific movie in [TS]

  a terrific templates for years since [TS]

  I've seen it but what about like Time [TS]

  Bandits kinda reminds me of that too [TS]

  well you're right about Stardust the [TS]

  Stardust is a really good example and a [TS]

  movie i liked and did have a little bit [TS]

  of that vibe time pants at which far [TS]

  Senate I think and puppets the parson [TS]

  puppets Carson puppets is the downfall [TS]

  of my career is my new hot pie store is [TS]

  going to call farce and puppets [TS]

  that's my autobiography imaginarium of [TS]

  doctor parnassus also had kind of a [TS]

  field anybody saw that very few people [TS]

  did for 44 people sorry there are their [TS]

  talent terry gilliam you know [TS]

  has kind of elements of this but I i [TS]

  think or maybe a little too have the [TS]

  heart is a little too black [TS]

  yeah he goes he goes a little dark with [TS]

  his little too weird to a little too [TS]

  weird [TS]

  well watching the movie again reminded [TS]

  me of all kinds of things i had [TS]

  forgotten about from that era among [TS]

  other things that cary elwes an [TS]

  incredibly funny physical actor which I [TS]

  you know I guess I and I've seen plenty [TS]

  of stuff since but he's come to use a [TS]

  stiff sometimes he's full of himself [TS]

  sometimes he's not really acting and he [TS]

  is got a straight face this whole thing [TS]

  and it's just incredibly funny to watch [TS]

  Kerry Ellis was one of those people that [TS]

  I followed somewhat obsessively through [TS]

  middle school and high school even [TS]

  though his career was pretty much a dead [TS]

  end at that point it's like mid mid [TS]

  nineties early two thousands it wasn't [TS]

  doing much but i like it when he was the [TS]

  impediment agent on The X Files that's [TS]

  when I I saw that I thought really [TS]

  you're the guy who you know because [TS]

  there's always going to be kind of suit [TS]

  who's from the bad part of the [TS]

  government who says oh I can't let you [TS]

  do that [TS]

  bulgaria you're looking at things you [TS]

  should look at and cary elwes really [TS]

  attended this you've sunk to this point [TS]

  I i was actually really excited i ended [TS]

  up for god knows what reason seeing ella [TS]

  enchanted the movie version which the [TS]

  book version the book of Ellen chanted [TS]

  is quite a wonderful young adult novel [TS]

  and the movie is completely terrible but [TS]

  Kerry else is in it playing you know [TS]

  kind of a kind of the the count [TS]

  character in princess bride for ella [TS]

  enchanted it's a very it'sit's kind of [TS]

  wonderful he is a snake and I'm like oh [TS]

  finally you're doing something that's [TS]

  not saw or small TV parts even if it is [TS]

  a terrible movie [TS]

  can we come to some consensus on his [TS]

  last name dlw es el L I always yeah I [TS]

  always said l's but I guess LLS i'm [TS]

  consulting wikipedia which does not have [TS]

  a pronunciation carry Elvis this is like [TS]

  well sure something it could be anything [TS]

  like that elvish in elvish carry out why [TS]

  is he not in order [TS]

  rings Bell to relish it yes that's true [TS]

  so so he's opposite he's oppositely [TS]

  young Robin Robin right there yes very [TS]

  young i would like to claim credit for [TS]

  knowing Robin right before anybody else [TS]

  because in high school I would come home [TS]

  every day and plopped down in front of [TS]

  Santa Barbara the Four Seasons soap [TS]

  opera is this something you want to [TS]

  admit Greg it was awesome wasn't it i [TS]

  had and i have never given myself up to [TS]

  anything even remotely like that before [TS]

  or since [TS]

  and it had a Martinez and margins right [TS]

  it had not v martinez a margin 49 one of [TS]

  the many many Martinez it was very [TS]

  enjoyable and then Robin Wright goes off [TS]

  to an actual career and I just think [TS]

  she's sorry you mentioned santa barbara [TS]

  that's where all the you know hot girls [TS]

  come from is whenever I happened to be [TS]

  watching [TS]

  I just I'm just gonna put it I happen to [TS]

  have carrier was as wikipedia page up [TS]

  and since we're trying to figure out his [TS]

  name and I scroll down to his credits [TS]

  and i gotta say i absolutely love that [TS]

  his credits include include TV credits [TS]

  include such wonderful things as pinky [TS]

  and the brain [TS]

  yeah i'm not and the x-files as Jason [TS]

  mentioned but most recently among two of [TS]

  these rolls are the young pope john paul [TS]

  the second home [TS]

  the adventuresome pope john paul is [TS]

  saying some sort of you know villa or [TS]

  you know presumably probably have [TS]

  villain in 111 order SVU and Ted Bundy [TS]

  so I think his career is clearly [TS]

  actually I'm gonna put every plug which [TS]

  is to say he did a small recurring role [TS]

  guest role on psych in the last couple [TS]

  seasons as a like a jewel thief and he [TS]

  was actually really really still working [TS]

  hey what is arming he's got the charm [TS]

  he's still working and I get our Michael [TS]

  Caine's out there who take what comes [TS]

  because that's how they pay the bill [TS]

  that's right there's nothing wrong with [TS]

  that and and of course Robin Wright has [TS]

  gone on to be in many many things but [TS]

  here she was you know she's she's the [TS]

  princess she was introduced with this [TS]

  movie that was our credit that was the [TS]

  first time I'd seen in introducing [TS]

  introducing credit since like you know [TS]

  the thirties it's the aunjanue it's a [TS]

  throwback I really [TS]

  mmm that is she really did about she did [TS]

  practically no acting the entire thing [TS]

  so that's that's what the introduce you [TS]

  just need to look around you throughout [TS]

  this film put on a fake accent mr. sort [TS]

  of but it's really is the traditional [TS]

  role you introduce the actress in order [TS]

  that we may view her through the film [TS]

  later he may be allowed to act but in [TS]

  this introduction you must just observer [TS]

  i don't know i love her delivery of the [TS]

  line the which is it the one that most [TS]

  likely kill myself in the morning or the [TS]

  it nothing i'm gonna go to my lock [TS]

  myself in my room and shoot I've lost [TS]

  one see i'm really i'm gonna win the [TS]

  award for you're not bothering me from [TS]

  watching princess bride she tells the [TS]

  king but she's gonna she's gonna kill [TS]

  himself kill herself and he says would [TS]

  that be nice [TS]

  yes before the West she kissed me yeah [TS]

  that's right i love that i liked her [TS]

  delivery there it sounds kind of [TS]

  despondent but uplifting at the same [TS]

  time [TS]

  well and also the the ever so popular oh [TS]

  my sweet whistling viton so I'm just [TS]

  runs it all together so um the structure [TS]

  of this movie is very strange [TS]

  as mentioned earlier we start with an [TS]

  extended chase essentially there's the [TS]

  prologue right there is framing sequence [TS]

  and then there's the prologue with the [TS]

  Buttercup in the farmhand yeah yeah [TS]

  kissing book but then there's the chase [TS]

  scene which is where we get to meet our [TS]

  not heroes are anti-heroes but they are [TS]

  our heroes there or at least two of them [TS]

  are kind are mercenaries and represented [TS]

  very very comfortably in the mercenary [TS]

  role play all the parts of gold Vizzini [TS]

  41 physic and Inigo Montoya played by [TS]

  mandy patinkin Andre the Giant and [TS]

  Wallace Shawn man of letters and also [TS]

  the man you don't want to go in with [TS]

  death on with the Sicilian something [TS]

  never going against a sicilian when [TS]

  death is on the line now we are you [TS]

  but i gotta throw out the one thing [TS]

  Jason you just you just like tweak like [TS]

  something in my head that made me make a [TS]

  connection i never made that's what I'm [TS]

  here for the chase scene is is very [TS]

  analogous to the chase scene from [TS]

  another William Goldman film which [TS]

  Cassidy and the Sundance Kid where you [TS]

  have the people running away and then [TS]

  there's the the follower the people who [TS]

  are disordered oddly following them and [TS]

  never quite gets shaken off the trail [TS]

  but i just found that interesting [TS]

  because there's definitely an echo in [TS]

  both those movies are both great movies [TS]

  and William Goldman's a tremendous [TS]

  writer but I thought it was funny that [TS]

  it suddenly reminded me of that because [TS]

  you you see him in the distance right [TS]

  he's following them in the boat and then [TS]

  climbs up the cliffs and everything a [TS]

  very similar scene i just think that [TS]

  there's something there [TS]

  inconceivable but so we begin you know [TS]

  they-they-they kidnapper they take her [TS]

  to the boat to go across there screaming [TS]

  heels you know they there's the boat in [TS]

  the distance and we see them and so [TS]

  we've met our three characters may have [TS]

  kidnapped the the the girl and and they [TS]

  go to cliffs of insanity [TS]

  all right do it with the list Jason the [TS]

  cliffs of insanity the they Andre the [TS]

  Giant is so powerful that he just [TS]

  basically pulls them up on her bottom [TS]

  rope with like three people hanging off [TS]

  of him i love that and faster faster [TS]

  azines we're going faster the poor poor [TS]

  Andre the Giant and then we have this [TS]

  interesting structure where once they [TS]

  get to the top of the cliffs we all [TS]

  split up in true scooby-doo fashion so [TS]

  that each character can meet the man in [TS]

  black individually instead of as a group [TS]

  where they might just kill the man in [TS]

  black and be done with it so they have [TS]

  to delivery to their back stories as [TS]

  well of course right so that it sits [TS]

  this great structure in in the middle of [TS]

  the chase where we now unspool these [TS]

  characters one by one and we need an ego [TS]

  Montoya and there isn't just a [TS]

  swordfight Inigo Montoya gets to tell [TS]

  him the whole story so Inigo Montoya has [TS]

  got to be the the most quoted character [TS]

  in this movie right I you know day he [TS]

  has great quotes why he's been growing [TS]

  like whoa whoa which is time after time [TS]

  and of course it's repeated right many [TS]

  times in the movie because he sort of [TS]

  talks about he tells the whole story of [TS]

  the six-fingered man of the six-fingered [TS]

  man [TS]

  his father I don't but I like the other [TS]

  one I actually was able to insert into a [TS]

  fortune magazine article 99 about [TS]

  windows XP that word you use it does not [TS]

  mean what you think it means yeah and he [TS]

  goes got amigos god Ilana got a lot of [TS]

  lines singer so anytime Montoya [TS]

  obviously you killed my father prepare [TS]

  to die and it is it obviously passion [TS]

  juice that's going to really sell it I'm [TS]

  not an actor I'm quoting I'm I'm but the [TS]

  host uh our players would like if they [TS]

  would like to act out the parts we could [TS]

  do a little staging we could just sit [TS]

  here for the next 90 minutes and reenact [TS]

  the entire princess from my friend of [TS]

  mine actually did this recently he was [TS]

  at a party where it came up that at [TS]

  least a couple people there had not seen [TS]

  the princess bride and he determined he [TS]

  could pretty much do the entire movie [TS]

  from memory so he fed lines through a [TS]

  bunch of them and there he infected the [TS]

  entire pan and someone videotaped it and [TS]

  I'm like please get me a copy of this [TS]

  because i think this would be awesome [TS]

  it's the one-man show of the princess [TS]

  bride so so um any moment i love the [TS]

  swordfight great sword fighting my wife [TS]

  is a is a former fencer and she was [TS]

  amused by the fact that they fence with [TS]

  swords that would not you couldn't do [TS]

  that kind of fencing with swords like [TS]

  that so they're obviously very light [TS]

  swords but I'm it's a very exciting [TS]

  scene and the when they're talking [TS]

  during the the sword fight about the [TS]

  different methods that they're using you [TS]

  know if I you must respond with kappa [TS]

  Farrah that sort of thing those are all [TS]

  actual names of fencing new moves and [TS]

  that actually that sort of is one of my [TS]

  favorite lines which is if he has [TS]

  considered his Agrippa which I have see [TS]

  I don't know what it is about this movie [TS]

  that which i have it's light-hearted it [TS]

  has quit [TS]

  it's witty in a in a way 3 scene has had [TS]

  that infused in it and I get the sword [TS]

  fight no no it's not just it is a [TS]

  swordfight that's a pretty good sword [TS]

  fighting it's actually too because [TS]

  there's the left handed sword fight and [TS]

  then there's the right here and sword [TS]

  fight it separated by gymnastics [TS]

  yes yes the the high bar a sidebar [TS]

  gymkata anyone seen at gym [TS]

  movie of just a few years older than [TS]

  this one no I'm not sure any no money in [TS]

  it is seen in pic metal with that I've [TS]

  seen it [TS]

  Greg seen every movie ever he's in this [TS]

  town and they're all rushing at him and [TS]

  at the end of the movie and he runs into [TS]

  the center of town and there just [TS]

  happens to be a gym horse there and so [TS]

  he knows he'll gymkata skills to spin [TS]

  his legs around and beat the people off [TS]

  came out wrong [TS]

  it's a combination of gymnastics and [TS]

  some other thing from gymnastics martial [TS]

  arts like it's like the guncotton from [TS]

  equilibrium another great maybe it's the [TS]

  miraculous appearances specific to [TS]

  national equipment within the context of [TS]

  the action that that resonates with [TS]

  Princess Bride [TS]

  yes why is there are on a high bar in [TS]

  the middle of the ruins of the [TS]

  whatever-it-is on the top of the cliff [TS]

  is ready set I was admiring that [TS]

  yesterday that was such a great set [TS]

  really is it's funny when i was doing [TS]

  stage combat my very first year of high [TS]

  school I went to an arts high school I [TS]

  we I took fencing and we actually ran [TS]

  through this seen among a couple of [TS]

  other very different film scenes in [TS]

  order to get a grip of certain [TS]

  techniques and to get taught certain [TS]

  techniques which was hilarious [TS]

  just like okay yes I'm gonna go after [TS]

  school and reenact Grand Princess Bride [TS]

  seen or seen from the matrix or [TS]

  something like that there was some high [TS]

  school it was pretty great [TS]

  I mean if you're doing matrix yes hey I [TS]

  got to I got to choreograph burly brawl [TS]

  so that was pretty great none of them [TS]

  went to college i'm a shot down the [TS]

  school and decertified it and fired all [TS]

  the teachers there's a great moment [TS]

  scattered as gems like little jewels [TS]

  chain throughout this movie one of the [TS]

  reasons i think it's an enduring film [TS]

  it's enjoyable to watch is that it's got [TS]

  ridiculously low farce and stupid crap [TS]

  in it and I mean you know i should say [TS]

  it's actually pretty high brother are no [TS]

  crap jokes was like no it's the Middle [TS]

  Ages or whatever eighteen hundreds or [TS]

  whatever supposed to be in the not [TS]

  stepping in manure you know so it's not [TS]

  an L Brooks movie we know that if I was [TS]

  about to say it [TS]

  they didn't take the mel brooks path [TS]

  other than the fact that the miracle max [TS]

  the miracle max would be the mel brooks [TS]

  part except you're not being played by [TS]

  now that billy crystal is seemingly Loki [TS]

  by comparison to hell Brooks would have [TS]

  played that but the but so little gems [TS]

  stronger at the film are these deeply [TS]

  serious moments that resonate well above [TS]

  the far so I was watching last night and [TS]

  I i remember the scene in my head but [TS]

  seeing it [TS]

  he's carry out west is making its way up [TS]

  the cliffs of insanity many tankers [TS]

  waiting for marriage like you don't go [TS]

  faster if you get a rope without you [TS]

  know I don't know what you trust me no I [TS]

  give you my what can I where is the [TS]

  Spaniard man you're known to many [TS]

  Spaniards how hard that he says I swear [TS]

  on the soul of my father don't be going [TS]

  twice you will not fall and it's like [TS]

  when a different film and he says [TS]

  they're all right just a little you get [TS]

  like 10 seconds 15 seconds of this [TS]

  beautiful moment that is completely [TS]

  genuine and then we're back to silly [TS]

  stuff in there but the same thing when [TS]

  he confronts the six-fingered man when [TS]

  he confronts the count you know he gives [TS]

  a really really effective speech about [TS]

  you know I've been searching my whole [TS]

  life and and you know and he finally he [TS]

  he gives it low-key really intensely you [TS]

  killed my father prepare to die and [TS]

  christopher guest looks at him and then [TS]

  turns and runs away you go from one of [TS]

  the great timing of the great little [TS]

  piece of the time but in the end when he [TS]

  gets to go to count Rugen he you know he [TS]

  gives a very impassioned speech it is [TS]

  the speech that he's been waiting to get [TS]

  his whole life and it's not a joke it's [TS]

  it you know he he wants him to beg for [TS]

  his life and then he's gonna say i want [TS]

  my father back you son of a bitch and [TS]

  he's going to kill a man and he does and [TS]

  it's not played for laughs and it [TS]

  shouldn't be and whenever there are some [TS]

  moments of real realism you know some [TS]

  seriousness and you have made the [TS]

  silliness [TS]

  I think the one thing that I really love [TS]

  about this film is that no line is [TS]

  really thrown away you know in in other [TS]

  films you can have there's you know [TS]

  there are scenes there are lines that [TS]

  it's obvious that the screenwriter [TS]

  either wasn't really paying attention or [TS]

  it wasn't really that it's not really [TS]

  that important just 30 advance the story [TS]

  but every single scene every single line [TS]

  in this movie is designed for several [TS]

  purposes and that's what kind of [TS]

  captures the imagination so much clearer [TS]

  yeah there are so many great just like I [TS]

  think of other moments i was just [TS]

  looking through a list of quotes refresh [TS]

  my memory but i love this scene you know [TS]

  right before we unmask the dread pirate [TS]

  roberts the man in black where he says [TS]

  he has that wonderful life is pain [TS]

  Highness anyone who sells says [TS]

  differently something good [TS]

  inches which is another like another [TS]

  sort of anachronism yes fine right but [TS]

  cute but what a great line we what [TS]

  strikes me about this movie is is it's [TS]

  the writing that makes it what it is [TS]

  inside the nerd cannon I mean it'sit's [TS]

  kind of oddball for the way movies that [TS]

  nerds enjoy because there's no sequels [TS]

  and there's not much investment in the [TS]

  world i don't have a lot of Princess [TS]

  Bride fanfic oh god but i don't i don't [TS]

  know of any cost play i don't know of [TS]

  any conventions but everybody i know [TS]

  loves this movie and can quote it like [TS]

  crazy and it has to be because of the [TS]

  writing it's a fairytale to write like [TS]

  there's an aspect to that it seems more [TS]

  like a timeless fairytale story then [TS]

  even like a a beloved movie right in [TS]

  some ways you don't tampering with it [TS]

  would be would be wrong you know it [TS]

  taking it to any of those places would [TS]

  be deserving experior it's it's magic [TS]

  and fun at its most pure it's not at you [TS]

  know you don't it's not something that [TS]

  you can take in any way mark market [TS]

  forces take things like crazy [TS]

  great great i'll send you mind my [TS]

  manuscript of about the about the the [TS]

  Gilder royal family and imaginations [TS]

  that they go through when their attempts [TS]

  to according to other than goldman i [TS]

  read something different before the show [TS]

  from goldman which said that he had [TS]

  actually tried to write a sequel but he [TS]

  said I got I got pissed at myself [TS]

  because I would stand i would sit there [TS]

  looking at a blank page i just couldn't [TS]

  think of anything to write there's [TS]

  another s Morgenstern book called the [TS]

  silent gondoliers but it's not the floor [TS]

  in universe right and even that doesn't [TS]

  see me odd-even that I said that the [TS]

  floor in universe you can talk about [TS]

  Star Trek Star Wars I i believe the [TS]

  accepted turn is the floor reverse for [TS]

  Gil diverse it just seems wrong [TS]

  it's the you know it's the the [TS]

  neverending story part 2 like ABS that [TS]

  would be here right i mean that was a [TS]

  problem that was the problem so so I [TS]

  want to I want to get back to what [TS]

  little structure this podcast has which [TS]

  I'm sort of walking part of part of this [TS]

  of the structure of the movie we left [TS]

  Inigo Montoya knocked out because it [TS]

  would be a an awful waste [TS]

  of material to leave this poor sorts [TS]

  been dead and move on the man in black [TS]

  then moves on to the to the next bit of [TS]

  peril which is Fezzik the giant played [TS]

  by wrestler wrestling hall of famer i'll [TS]

  i'll point out Andre the Giant who [TS]

  didn't speak English basically at all [TS]

  and apparently was given his lines by [TS]

  somebody off-screen before he would [TS]

  shoot the scenes so that he would yet so [TS]

  that he could save him because he was [TS]

  really really terrible at English and [TS]

  yet there's something so delightful [TS]

  about his about his double honest he's [TS]

  my favorite thing in the entire movie is [TS]

  that sometimes we have you know David [TS]

  Lynch often likes the cast like native [TS]

  people he like Andy and twin peaks the [TS]

  sheriff's deputy was like a driver and [TS]

  the guy could not act to save his life [TS]

  and was I kind of loved him because he [TS]

  had this awkwardness that was completely [TS]

  honest and and completely charming [TS]

  yeah i mean one of one of my other again [TS]

  i'm going to just list all these [TS]

  favorite things in this movie but the [TS]

  thing I love about the about the scenes [TS]

  where would where they send Fezzik to [TS]

  kill the man in black is is that the [TS]

  scene he tells him to throw to get a [TS]

  rock hide behind the high behind the [TS]

  boulder and throw the rock at his head [TS]

  and kill him and he said my way is not [TS]

  very sportsmanlike in which was my way [TS]

  that's not very sportsmanlike and and [TS]

  and again this movie doesn't such an [TS]

  amazing job of taking you're essentially [TS]

  what are supposed to be your bad guys [TS]

  and by the time they get the to the [TS]

  point where where they're going to [TS]

  perpetrate their they're supposedly evil [TS]

  acts you're on their side and you hope [TS]

  that they don't get killed by the the [TS]

  man in black and so obviously the man in [TS]

  black does his does his his best on the [TS]

  you know as God intended i think they [TS]

  say where it's a you know fist against [TS]

  fists which is slightly unfair for the [TS]

  man in black but he managed this is your [TS]

  you mean you put down your rock and I [TS]

  put that my sword and we try to kill [TS]

  each other like civilized people yes [TS]

  that's right that sportsman like not not [TS]

  not like throwing a rock at his head [TS]

  I could have hit you you know so course [TS]

  no one loves eeny there's no love for [TS]

  his no no Sol Sol Sol of busyness so now [TS]

  we get to it so now it is down to you [TS]

  and it is down to me they meet this is [TS]

  easy meets the man in black [TS]

  with buttercup tied up and there's a [TS]

  battle of wits which he accepted the [TS]

  death [TS]

  that's right and so while sean is busy [TS]

  knee again inconceivable the one of the [TS]

  most courted things from this movie and [TS]

  such a funny part you know he--he's in [TS]

  it in the first third and then he's dead [TS]

  but you know such a just I laughs the [TS]

  entire time he's on the screen he [TS]

  captures the screen [TS]

  anytime he's on it's just eyes they're [TS]

  ok he's looking around he's got is [TS]

  gesturing me that there's a lot going on [TS]

  because he obviously thinks he's a [TS]

  genius you know and to Socrates Plato [TS]

  amateurs moron moron morons [TS]

  I just I love that was just looking at [TS]

  the the transcript of that of the battle [TS]

  of the woods which is hilarious because [TS]

  of course he spends the entire time like [TS]

  you essentially stalling gonna try to [TS]

  make all these conclusions you've [TS]

  decided then not hardly [TS]

  yeah you're just stalling now you'd like [TS]

  to think that wouldn't you [TS]

  but then he gets you know basically what [TS]

  is it all come down to he switches the [TS]

  glasses all right look over there [TS]

  yeah which is you're right i mean that's [TS]

  that's that's actually probably the [TS]

  right game but if they haven't poisoned [TS]

  both cups with I O'Kane and of course [TS]

  and of course then we learned that the [TS]

  man in black not only you know is smart [TS]

  enough to know good enough that sword [TS]

  fighting to be enabled Montoya and sort [TS]

  of clever enough and resilient enough to [TS]

  be physical but he is also far far [TS]

  smarter because in you know he went into [TS]

  this game knowing there was no way he [TS]

  could lose its a brilliant strategy i [TS]

  thought when i call forward call for 25 [TS]

  years to sherlock BBC discussed as heard [TS]

  on the previous episode of the [TS]

  uncomfortable and we were talking about [TS]

  the cyanide capsule or whatever capsule [TS]

  episode it was the first right yeah [TS]

  yes and it was exactly this scene and I [TS]

  actually thought that the resolution of [TS]

  that would be that the spoiler horn cab [TS]

  driver was how to make yourself immune [TS]

  to some poison are mostly municipalities [TS]

  it seemed like the logical outcome and [TS]

  it was not that that even that leads up [TS]

  to the the Battle of it also leads up to [TS]

  one of my favorite scenes which is when [TS]

  the prince is trying to track them down [TS]

  and so we've been told this I O'Kane [TS]

  powder which he used to poison it is is [TS]

  odorless and tasteless and [TS]

  you know totally invisible and so [TS]

  there's a scene where the Prince comes [TS]

  up you know but picks up the little vial [TS]

  sniffs it and goes I Akane powder think [TS]

  it's a great scene [TS]

  yeah why I don't know because he's such [TS]

  a buffoon in like in every other way [TS]

  right really sense I ok and powder but [TS]

  there's something but it's what he does [TS]

  not smell [TS]

  yes is I ok yeah but that's that's the [TS]

  same scene where he were he says that if [TS]

  this doesn't go well he will be most put [TS]

  out what's the book has much more about [TS]

  him being mean if it's mentioned the [TS]

  movie i realized the first time you see [TS]

  the princess really doing anything he's [TS]

  tracking but there's no explanation of [TS]

  it gets down he looks at some footsteps [TS]

  and introduces the entire story from [TS]

  that which is a great tell there was a [TS]

  little what's up [TS]

  oh yes I don't know that there was a [TS]

  battle and butt in the in the book it's [TS]

  much more overtime really guy only lives [TS]

  for hunting and fighting the reason he [TS]

  wants a war with guilders because he [TS]

  wants to do some more you know fighting [TS]

  and fighting [TS]

  yeah right so I Wesley and Buttercup [TS]

  irawr reunited and he tells a story [TS]

  about the dread pirate roberts and and [TS]

  then if they go down a hill and and then [TS]

  the movie strips to a completely [TS]

  different location that's not in any way [TS]

  related to anything we've seen before [TS]

  he's a Dogma 95 issue here and I throat [TS]

  I'm just throwing that out there that is [TS]

  that the first time those two things [TS]

  have i mentioned princess bride and [TS]

  documenting five [TS]

  well let me ask you this you would think [TS]

  so you know that you know that large [TS]

  front rear and his elk right dogma [TS]

  continuity of sort of form in space [TS]

  without flashbacks we have the friendly [TS]

  mechanism which violates that but i was [TS]

  thinking and I thought about this again [TS]

  we watching the movie that the Dread [TS]

  Pirate Roberts will be a great little [TS]

  action scene right it would have been [TS]

  that well I was captured by the dread [TS]

  pirate roberts and in the book I think [TS]

  it's more of a narrative it's not him [TS]

  telling it's a little more narrow [TS]

  description [TS]

  although I'm hazy on that and I'm yet to [TS]

  resume for to preserve that continuity [TS]

  of of space didn't want to break out [TS]

  acts within flashbacks exactly the [TS]

  flashbacks to defray mechanism and [TS]

  there's the action movie which is coming [TS]

  out dreams their dream sequences that [TS]

  are cheating dream sweet sequences so I [TS]

  don't think you're right [TS]

  yeah that is outside but i also think [TS]

  Wesley telling the story of its time [TS]

  the cabin boy establishes a lot about [TS]

  his character too I mean he's he's smart [TS]

  and he's resilient and he just kind of [TS]

  goes with it [TS]

  I'll probably kill you in the morning [TS]

  sleep well most likely kill you in the [TS]

  morning he just delivers that so [TS]

  nonchalantly that it's perfect for [TS]

  pirates is good [TS]

  yeah exactly what I love that he tells [TS]

  the whole story right of the inheritance [TS]

  of the the mantle of the dread pirate [TS]

  roberts my name is Ryan yeah it i love [TS]

  the right you know my name is Ryan hired [TS]

  the ship from the previous trip pirate [TS]

  roberts and he got it from a guy named [TS]

  cover button like it's just the real [TS]

  robbers be retired 15 years and living [TS]

  like a king in Patagonia no it'sit's [TS]

  there's something lovely about that [TS]

  whole thing and I think you're right it [TS]

  does show it shows us a depth to Wesley [TS]

  that we don't get from him early on when [TS]

  he's just you know the nameless yeah [TS]

  these that he's the farm boy right you [TS]

  know and so I don't know it's I I love [TS]

  him telling the story part of that is [TS]

  again Carrie always his charisma in in [TS]

  relating the story and the tension the [TS]

  tension between them there is actually [TS]

  really nice where where he feels that [TS]

  she has betrayed him because he assumes [TS]

  that her getting married is because [TS]

  she's moved on from their true love [TS]

  which is not which is not the case [TS]

  really because she doesn't like the [TS]

  prints but she's agreed to marry him [TS]

  because what else you gonna do with [TS]

  yourself [TS]

  yeah well exactly would that be nice so [TS]

  so I like that Dad given taken and she's [TS]

  kind of mad because who is this guy and [TS]

  she's making light of of her true love [TS]

  and he's angry at her because she's you [TS]

  know not holding up her side of the deal [TS]

  of true love and I in Iowa and then of [TS]

  course she figures out but it's a really [TS]

  nice little bit of tension between them [TS]

  for that one moment so and then go into [TS]

  the fire swamp in their giant rats and [TS]

  people in giant rat costumes but i never [TS]

  understood why that i rotated 12 false [TS]

  elements in the book is the rodents of [TS]

  unusual size i feel like he was trying [TS]

  to get at something with that I don't [TS]

  know what it was that he was a parody of [TS]

  something I didn't understand he was [TS]

  parodying well i think the cliffs of [TS]

  insanity or the first time he does that [TS]

  he did something is just so ridiculously [TS]

  name you know kind of liked [TS]

  hyperbolically named and I think for [TS]

  cliffs of insanity it works for are you [TS]

  rous is I don't think it does i love the [TS]

  rous is that is one of the great moments [TS]

  of physical slap it's funny but it [TS]

  doesn't feel like it's from the universe [TS]

  doesn't feel like it's from the story [TS]

  the people named the cliffs of insanity [TS]

  wouldn't call them rodents of unusual [TS]

  size [TS]

  yeah but I think that's part of what the [TS]

  whole thing is it's kind of all pastiche [TS]

  right it's all not quite real or worlds [TS]

  that aren't quite don't quite line up [TS]

  I feel like getting you don't get like a [TS]

  clear idea like even though you know [TS]

  sort of history about flora and killed [TS]

  or whatever but used to long [TS]

  yeah I feel it feels all disjointed like [TS]

  a jigsaw piece missing a few puzzles but [TS]

  that's actually kind of what i love [TS]

  about it is that there are all these [TS]

  little hooks in and you makes you wonder [TS]

  where did that come from or how is this [TS]

  what is this world that we're in here [TS]

  where you know it patched together for [TS]

  resources [TS]

  why'd I think he had a whole bunch of [TS]

  tropes he wanted to use I mean he just [TS]

  fill the bag with in every kind of [TS]

  cliché from fantasy and adventure so we [TS]

  have a we have a scary swamped with fire [TS]

  and monsters and crazy let's bring it [TS]

  back to the bedtime story it's all about [TS]

  you know when when you're sitting with [TS]

  your children and you're making things [TS]

  up you're gonna go all the different [TS]

  places from and pull from different [TS]

  types of stories and it doesn't doesn't [TS]

  necessarily need to fit together after I [TS]

  first saw this movie um I ended up i [TS]

  think taping it when it was on TV and [TS]

  and that was the version that i saw for [TS]

  a long time and I still got that version [TS]

  better in my head a little bit and one [TS]

  of the things that to this day I noticed [TS]

  when i watch the DVD now is that BM the [TS]

  fire small obscene is where they cut for [TS]

  time and and that fire swamp seeing is [TS]

  in the movie is in the cut version but [TS]

  it is it is a much shortened and i gotta [TS]

  say i understand why because the movie [TS]

  kind of grinds to a halt it is a [TS]

  transitional phase and when they're in [TS]

  the swamp before they start sort of the [TS]

  next act and you know it [TS]

  there-there's you know that all the [TS]

  pauses and then there's that they go [TS]

  underneath and the wrote walks by which [TS]

  they just risky moment yes key moment in [TS]

  the film to have both everyone [TS]

  off-screen for a moment i remember [TS]

  seeing everything the original film we [TS]

  watching and I was that this is great [TS]

  like there's nobody on screen for a few [TS]

  seconds while the tension builds it was [TS]

  brilliant well you expect the hand to [TS]

  emerge right from the quicksand but you [TS]

  don't expect that a giant kind of Muppet [TS]

  rat will slowly ample across the screen [TS]

  exit then it'll be quiet for a while and [TS]

  then the hand but about how many of us [TS]

  are super super happy that you know they [TS]

  didn't go back in a 25th anniversary [TS]

  edition to replace it with a cgi euro/us [TS]

  oh shit without like I'm just saying I [TS]

  understand why when they cut the movie [TS]

  for time that's what they chose to cut [TS]

  out no i mean it's it's also the one the [TS]

  one seen especially when the Prince [TS]

  catches up to him [TS]

  I remember the first time I ever saw it [TS]

  coincidentally when I was sick on a beta [TS]

  player but I'm you were sick on [TS]

  automated I was sick and I watch it on [TS]

  the beta plan even made a lot of people [TS]

  sick [TS]

  yes as I heard I know but it's it's the [TS]

  one scene where once Wesley his kind of [TS]

  revealed all I'm not actually Dread [TS]

  Pirate Roberts all of a sudden [TS]

  hey he's not quite so badass anymore and [TS]

  gets taken pretty much without a fight [TS]

  and I remember at that point I'm just [TS]

  kind of like we what's going on but he [TS]

  was just he was so smart and now he's [TS]

  this is this is one of those those [TS]

  solder points where they've taken [TS]

  they've taken act 1 and now it's like [TS]

  all right fire swamp now we got to [TS]

  recalibrate and that's the second whole [TS]

  movement of this movie which is he's [TS]

  trapped and they got and then he's dead [TS]

  and they gotta rescue him and she's you [TS]

  know waiting for the fastest ships to to [TS]

  to bring backward of him which is you [TS]

  know it's the i would argue maybe the [TS]

  weakest of the three kind of sections of [TS]

  the movie III and there's some this is [TS]

  where it gets a little little Mel Brooks [TS]

  e to me not just with despair exactly so [TS]

  I don't even think about trying to [TS]

  escape [TS]

  yeah yeah we've got that we've got the [TS]

  pit of despair and we've got the guy [TS]

  down there who is right out of a mel [TS]

  brooks movie and boys thought that was [TS]

  robbie coltrane the first time I saw [TS]

  them like probably Coltrane no I'm going [TS]

  to early and that the tree with the door [TS]

  and ends that secret [TS]

  yeah it's just it's it's a funny little [TS]

  part of the movie and and it's necessary [TS]

  but you know the torture equipment the [TS]

  life I've actually had that done to me [TS]

  you had years more why we stopped off [TS]

  i'm going to an acupuncturist have an [TS]

  acupuncturist they've put a million [TS]

  little glass cups on my back and lit [TS]

  fires on top of them decide [TS]

  they're out feels great but it looks [TS]

  remarkably like well and I hate to tell [TS]

  you that wasn't an active practice does [TS]

  explain the wealth though [TS]

  mm that's why you pulled a little lever [TS]

  and then water comes out and my wife had [TS]

  been beaten with oranges I do i do [TS]

  actually like Adam I like that scene [TS]

  where they crank up the the and and even [TS]

  count Rugen says no not 100 or whatever [TS]

  it is 50 [TS]

  yeah and they and they are and he's his [TS]

  scream can be heard throughout the [TS]

  kingdom [TS]

  I i like that the the event the man in [TS]

  black is feeling it now that is the pit [TS]

  of despair buttercup cannot hear no no [TS]

  so she's wearing her headphones so but [TS]

  it does it after they after they kill [TS]

  the kill the kill the man in black is a [TS]

  great interlude with them [TS]

  Fred Savage was very upset because you [TS]

  know we can't be and then there's a [TS]

  really nice bit of narrative twist in [TS]

  there where where I'm Peter Falk says [TS]

  nothing happens to 22 the Prince he he [TS]

  lives 2000 jeez grampa what are you [TS]

  doing why you telling me this story [TS]

  added that is a great that is a great [TS]

  scene because it's that defying of all [TS]

  of the rules you know sometimes bad [TS]

  people get away right and so it's that [TS]

  whole to find breaking all the rules of [TS]

  the fairytale at that point you know you [TS]

  kill the hero and you you know you have [TS]

  the bad guys or waltzes and it's great i [TS]

  love the same same with the screaming [TS]

  deals where he says she doesn't die at [TS]

  this time she doesn't get my deals its [TS]

  let's just say because you looked a [TS]

  little more attention to fuse all that [TS]

  tension we're not gonna don't worry [TS]

  about it so they they they revealed that [TS]

  upfront which is which is a really funny [TS]

  and then so then he's dead and we get [TS]

  the the class leader classic is but it [TS]

  turns out he's only mostly dead me and [TS]

  we get that the scenes with with the [TS]

  physic and indigo taking the men in [TS]

  black [TS]

  after after an ego is is a is has water [TS]

  poured over him by desert because he's [TS]

  part of the brute squad you want to brew [TS]

  system is the risk and then what a great [TS]

  another great example of cary elwes is a [TS]

  physical actors i love that whole bits [TS]

  with him you know where he can't walk [TS]

  basically because he's just getting his [TS]

  strength back [TS]

  he flops his head from side to side with [TS]

  whatever I mean he's left over the [TS]

  parapet and they slide them up in his [TS]

  head completely lost slides of hope the [TS]

  cops we can see it in like that should [TS]

  be physically impossible [TS]

  it's like defend but it's it's hilarious [TS]

  is great to watch and that whole scene [TS]

  where he's trying to come up with a plan [TS]

  if only we had a holocaust clue like [TS]

  what why wasn't i wasn't listed among [TS]

  the things that we had another [TS]

  wheelbarrow i will burst it among our [TS]

  resources to help find out having a [TS]

  rodent i'm not i'm still not really [TS]

  clear on how wheeling Andre the Giant in [TS]

  a wheelbarrow with a big cloak and and [TS]

  lighting him on fire is the it was the [TS]

  reputation of the dread pirate roberts [TS]

  yeah the dread pirate roberts I know it [TS]

  wasn't tall enough he wasn't told that [TS]

  by himself [TS]

  that's right under the giant giant [TS]

  enough quite so so they get into the [TS]

  they that with the use of what gate key [TS]

  oh you mean this gate key they get into [TS]

  his arms off quickly i forgot because [TS]

  they get into the castle and then we [TS]

  have our you know that that's all part [TS]

  of this last act which is the the rescue [TS]

  of butter cup in and you're right [TS]

  cary elwes is fantastic because [TS]

  throughout this he's holding onto suits [TS]

  of armor and laying on a bed completely [TS]

  flat and is he's our hero and he's [TS]

  completely incapable of doing anything [TS]

  he's as weak as a kitten throughout it's [TS]

  a little-bitty hill at that moment to [TS]

  people or English bedroom farce it's [TS]

  like people are running down hallways [TS]

  people come by people are stabbed doors [TS]

  open and shut [TS]

  people are certainly where they [TS]

  shouldn't be in beds like it buttercup [TS]

  throws herself on Cary Elwes and on the [TS]

  right that says what Leslie what's I [TS]

  actually love when when count Rugen so [TS]

  so you know gives his speech and can't [TS]

  ruin runs away which is hilarious [TS]

  what I really love and and didn't notice [TS]

  for a while about that scene but now [TS]

  I've seen it so many times I noticed [TS]

  everything is is I love mandy patinkin [TS]

  is panic when count Rugen runs away and [TS]

  he can't go after him because the door [TS]

  is closed heat and there's a scene where [TS]

  he's he's smashing against the door and [TS]

  shouting and it is so well played he [TS]

  shouting Fezzik physics and he's [TS]

  desperate for physics to come and like [TS]

  he does because he's a giant knockdown [TS]

  the door because this is his moment and [TS]

  and the guy is getting away and it's you [TS]

  know again a little bit of that [TS]

  emotional realism injected in this [TS]

  ridiculous scene that's happening now [TS]

  it's a great that's also a very moment I [TS]

  also love the the final showdown between [TS]

  wesleyan and humperdinck with both [TS]

  because I think they both get both both [TS]

  I carry always in Chris around and head [TS]

  have such a great presence in that scene [TS]

  where you know I'm predict to the death [TS]

  note to the pain and he sort of has that [TS]

  pause i'm not quite familiar with that [TS]

  because you know but explaining and [TS]

  that's what the pig comes in we sure [TS]

  that your warhol he's going he's going [TS]

  to use small words so that you'll [TS]

  understand he's going all in because he [TS]

  knows that he can't you know he doesn't [TS]

  have any strength or at least not enough [TS]

  strange lately more than just lift his [TS]

  arm so he's got a late he's got a blade [TS]

  he's playing place right through it [TS]

  that's right so he blamed this all the [TS]

  way up to that point where he can do is [TS]

  one physical move [TS]

  drop your sword drop your and it's great [TS]

  and then he lives of course because [TS]

  we've been told he lives that's not the [TS]

  point the point is that is that he's [TS]

  humiliated yeah that's right and that [TS]

  Wesley and and and butter cop go off [TS]

  together on there otherwise lets you say [TS]

  butter color copies but this is equal to [TS]

  Rho ok no with the seagull the RoboCup [TS]

  she's get it right now Wesley and butter [TS]

  got go off buttercup buttercup buttercup [TS]

  buttercup back up buttercup there [TS]

  Leslie and Buttercup go off together on [TS]

  four white horses that seem to have been [TS]

  found somewhere in the stables by andre [TS]

  the giant designate found these [TS]

  warehouses [TS]

  that's right i think there are four of [TS]

  us if we find a big hello lady that's [TS]

  how fairytales work is if you need to [TS]

  resolve the story of course there is a [TS]

  horse there are and why would you how [TS]

  would you in the story anyway other than [TS]

  riding with them riding off into the [TS]

  sunrise in this case on four white [TS]

  horses flying dragons [TS]

  oh yeah oh I have to say one of the ways [TS]

  that this movie has gotten into my head [TS]

  is that in reading the george RR martin [TS]

  fantasy series starts with a game of [TS]

  thrones i actually can't picture a [TS]

  really nefarious character Jaime [TS]

  Lannister the sort of stuff sorry [TS]

  yes i can't iive cast Chris Sarandon is [TS]

  Jaime Lannister hope but he's no but I [TS]

  I'm sorry that's the part that's for [TS]

  another podcast it's kind of a date is [TS]

  kind of ridiculous and yet because that [TS]

  guy's really is will be evil but at the [TS]

  same time well let's just say it's the [TS]

  greatest role chris sarandon has never [TS]

  played percentage of the eric roberts of [TS]

  his particular yes that's right because [TS]

  it's just his sister is really famous [TS]

  but now I just because when i started [TS]

  reading those books i thought well this [TS]

  is a this is a real kind of stuffed [TS]

  shirt prince and the problem is he's not [TS]

  and I it's got me into trouble where [TS]

  again Chris Sarandon is being inhabited [TS]

  by a much better actor i suppose in my [TS]

  in my mind the old skull cinema while [TS]

  we're playing the george RR martin i'm [TS]

  sure it'll when the guy from New [TS]

  Amsterdam plays a minium in the TV [TS]

  series on HBO then i won't that'll [TS]

  that'll wipe it down and we'll get that [TS]

  for you or maybe you'll be sitting there [TS]

  saying I think Chris array antenna he [TS]

  would have been perfect when you years [TS]

  ago have to do a podcast in April when [TS]

  the show comes out [TS]

  do you think yeah but THX installed in [TS]

  your skull cinema because i really [TS]

  should work enough grade [TS]

  no i only have that my real cinema my [TS]

  school had this is gary undergo be fine [TS]

  when inside your head [TS]

  well you know I can I my two years are [TS]

  perfectly good at listening to 5.1 so [TS]

  why wouldn't I just make it in my head [TS]

  too [TS]

  I don't have 5.1 years Glenn not yet not [TS]

  yet but maybe some of the features here [TS]

  what else I want to talk about here I [TS]

  think so Rob Reiner directed this movie [TS]

  TVs meathead by the way back when he [TS]

  directed good movie yes yes so so here's [TS]

  the funny thing [TS]

  this is one in a string of movies there [TS]

  was a point when Rob Reiner had directed [TS]

  something like six or seven movies in a [TS]

  row all of which were good movies [TS]

  beautiful story extend by me very much [TS]

  this is this is spinal tap followed by [TS]

  the sure thing followed by stand by me [TS]

  followed by the princess bride followed [TS]

  by when harry met sally followed by [TS]

  misery followed by a few good man [TS]

  well I think that was the shit i think [TS]

  that that's the chain i might be missing [TS]

  one in there enough for anyone life I [TS]

  well and that's good because that was it [TS]

  and it just went yeah but then he made [TS]

  North but um [TS]

  but it's also i should i should mention [TS]

  we have Billy Crystal who went on to be [TS]

  the leading man in his next movie when [TS]

  harry met sally and also appeared in a [TS]

  small cameo in this is spinal tap and [TS]

  christopher guest from this is spinal [TS]

  tap and who's going to make on all these [TS]

  other mockumentaries is of course count [TS]

  Rugen the six-fingered man so their [TS]

  little bits of of the of the team from [TS]

  these other movies of Rob writers who [TS]

  have dropped into the princess bride but [TS]

  what I want to run that that was for him [TS]

  and some really different kinds of [TS]

  movies i mean it's so many different [TS]

  genres he did and yeah and then that was [TS]

  it because he has made a good movie [TS]

  since it's the same it's the same with [TS]

  William Goldman who's had an amazing [TS]

  writing career just across a whole bunch [TS]

  of different genres just just pick [TS]

  cherry-picking here Butch Cassidy and [TS]

  the Sundance Kid Stepford Wives Marathon [TS]

  Man bridge too far misery maverick the [TS]

  ghost in the darkness they're not all [TS]

  terrific movies so he is so screenwriter [TS]

  of misery that's interesting so we we [TS]

  teamed with Ron Goldman Goldman didn't [TS]

  he write that terrible book about John [TS]

  Lana don't think so [TS]

  no he wrote he wrote a nonfiction book [TS]

  called adventures in the screen trade [TS]

  that supposed to be terrific when I [TS]

  haven't read it out that is I don't read [TS]

  it but I has been highly recommended to [TS]

  me as well that may be the guy who wrote [TS]

  princess bride the book and the [TS]

  screenplay also wrote Marathon Man the [TS]

  book and the screenplay and all the prep [TS]

  all the programs man i don't see how one [TS]

  guide masters those two Chandra's just [TS]

  just so wildly diverse in both such high [TS]

  quality was he also an actor on a 70 [TS]

  sitcom because that would give him the [TS]

  traction now you need Ron Howard for the [TS]

  and yeah we know we get skipped over [TS]

  miracle max in our chronological [TS]

  condition film we talked about him [TS]

  online chile we briefly touched on on [TS]

  him it's one scene it's a memorable [TS]

  scene although true but to believe we [TS]

  all quote to believe which means to [TS]

  block laiá laiá laiá it because he [TS]

  just doesn't miracle max is very grumpy [TS]

  because he got fired by Prince [TS]

  Humperdinck you know you talk about the [TS]

  center part of the movie where things [TS]

  get kind of slap sticky and miracle max [TS]

  and and billy crystal and Carol Kane [TS]

  just they they epitomise that for me [TS]

  that you just didn't get in with the [TS]

  rest of the movie it's the mel brooks [TS]

  portion of the movie and and the and the [TS]

  and the albino and the the torture [TS]

  machine and [TS]

  on that and although it's all in the [TS]

  book is the funny plastic I mean it was [TS]

  off it was accurately converted to the [TS]

  screen to something a bit funnier and [TS]

  much much briefer than in the book but [TS]

  everybody everybody remembers it right [TS]

  everybody relax Billy Crystal and using [TS]

  iMovie for what three minutes [TS]

  well and in some ways you can argue it [TS]

  works because it doesn't work [TS]

  I mean big again I come back to that [TS]

  idea of okay well because because of [TS]

  everything every nothing fits in this [TS]

  movie it feels like to me and yet that [TS]

  that is kind of the one thing that [TS]

  having it all have in common is that [TS]

  it's all drawn from all these these [TS]

  places it's all this patchwork quilt and [TS]

  yet it's something where each individual [TS]

  piece might not seem like it works but [TS]

  for some reason when they come together [TS]

  it creates something larger than the sum [TS]

  of its parts [TS]

  um ok then so what you're saying really [TS]

  now you disagree what you're saying is [TS]

  that it because it doesn't fit [TS]

  that's why it fits well didn't they have [TS]

  sex mackey died in there and so they [TS]

  pull out Billy Crystal I mean it was [TS]

  eating the book to it's like if you're [TS]

  you're hopeless the marriage is about to [TS]

  happen your main character is dead and [TS]

  Goldman pulls out this completely you [TS]

  know ridiculous things always a wizard [TS]

  so he makes the wizard you know as long [TS]

  as you're being ridiculous go full-on [TS]

  ridiculous [TS]

  yeah right i mean of course the thing is [TS]

  he was already screenwriter at that [TS]

  point so the question is how much of the [TS]

  book was written with the notion he may [TS]

  have had Billy Crystal in mind for all [TS]

  we know for that point because it's not [TS]

  in 1974 [TS]

  yeah it was that all yeah only crystal [TS]

  wasn't even on so my goodness okay and I [TS]

  withdraw I can kind of i'll edit that [TS]

  out jacketing yes please leave it all [TS]

  inconvenient wrong opinions from this [TS]

  podcast I can kind of see it though I [TS]

  mean the beauty of the movie being so [TS]

  many different things is that it can [TS]

  appeal to so many different people as [TS]

  well so i can see that in a way being [TS]

  towards the more not lowbrow humor set [TS]

  because it's not it's not really lowbrow [TS]

  humor but the mel brooks part of the [TS]

  audience who wants who want those quotes [TS]

  to say at their you know their parties [TS]

  at least no farting history or cover a [TS]

  crotch shot small miracles see have you [TS]

  i don't know if my tone gave give this [TS]

  away but I'm not [TS]

  take Mel Brooks fan actually he said it [TS]

  depends on the area i mean he made some [TS]

  producers is one of the funniest movies [TS]

  ever made but I could really stand right [TS]

  blazing saddles and sandals yeah we [TS]

  gettin our blazing cells grateful [TS]

  blazing saddles I mean this is like [TS]

  about TV editing there are so many films [TS]

  from the eighties seventies and eighties [TS]

  that were ruined for us who grew up in [TS]

  the eighties and nineties because we saw [TS]

  them on television they were butchered [TS]

  the point of recognizability so I didn't [TS]

  understand funny blazing saddles was [TS]

  until I saw it unedited again I think [TS]

  the Blazing Saddles episode will be one [TS]

  of those great episodes where Dan Morgan [TS]

  is the host because i'm not talking [TS]

  about [TS]

  I I don't need that movie to waste any [TS]

  more of my life I saw the case on the [TS]

  campfire scene on TV where they just [TS]

  damp the sound down to zero it made no [TS]

  sense whatsoever mr. fine there is that [TS]

  but slim pickins slim pickins live down [TS]

  lived in the town where I grew up under [TS]

  the giant you have school by samuel [TS]

  beckett i like it i have Fred Savage in [TS]

  my closet that's where he's been that's [TS]

  how this game works and speak actually [TS]

  Peter Falk is still alive or no yes [TS]

  because what i want is it's like [TS]

  funnyordie to get Fred Savage and peter [TS]

  falk together to re-record their son [TS]

  please together would be awesome when [TS]

  Goldman still alive know right they [TS]

  would they would rerecord the scene [TS]

  except Peter Falk would be reading [TS]

  something horrible with a they could [TS]

  just cut it straight into the movie as [TS]

  it is it's it's part of the criterion is [TS]

  they've recorded just those seen to [TS]

  update them that's the only dated part [TS]

  of the movie [TS]

  Peter Falk is in the nursing home and [TS]

  Fred Savage is reading history that's [TS]

  touching the penthouse that makes me sad [TS]

  that's like the ending of big fish [TS]

  captain bring-down making everybody sad [TS]

  at the end of a podcast about the happy [TS]

  movie that everyone looks okay i want to [TS]

  go around the the room and asked [TS]

  everybody for since this is the most [TS]

  quotable movie in the universe [TS]

  my question to you since this movie is [TS]

  so incredibly quotable and this is the [TS]

  task you must perform for me [TS]

  you must tell me your favorite bar none [TS]

  single favorite [TS]

  lime from the princess bride [TS]

  I know it's hard it's difficult think [TS]

  ponder dan I get to go first you don't [TS]

  have to [TS]

  who would like to go through I got it I [TS]

  got it I got it I got right it's my mind [TS]

  you say it's an integral another any [TS]

  girl quote yep which i've used in other [TS]

  places let me spray [TS]

  no there's too much let me sum up [TS]

  excellent one of my favorites i use that [TS]

  one all the time [TS]

  Glenn I've already said it but i will [TS]

  repeat it [TS]

  you keep using that word i do not think [TS]

  it means what you think it means [TS]

  Greg I I'm classic and you go just [TS]

  because we were in college we left this [TS]

  on our answering machine which is my [TS]

  name is inigo montoya you killed my [TS]

  father prepare to leave a message when [TS]

  I'm gonna break leaning onto a streak [TS]

  but as you wish [TS]

  oh I thought um well I want to thank my [TS]

  guests for talking about the princess [TS]

  bride my my guests are our serenity [TS]

  Caldwell Greg moss Glenn Fleischmann and [TS]

  Dan more'n until next time on the [TS]

  incomparable have fun storming the [TS]

  castle [TS]

  ok on earth there may be a more quarter [TS]

  quotable movie on the planet 617 where [TS]

  movies are performed with only the sense [TS]

  of smell and to quote them it's very [TS]

  hard manager to call you ever been a [TS]

  party where everybody is passing [TS]

  pheromones also all of my partner Mel [TS]

  Brooks is very popular in 607 Jason I [TS]

  I've always thought of you as [TS]

  particularly musky thank thank you Greg [TS]

  I mean Edmund muskie that's I work I [TS]

  worked I worked hard on that I i have [TS]

  Edmund muskie in my closet [TS]

  you think it'll work we take immunity [TS]

  if he has a studied his Agrippa which I [TS]

  have [TS]