The Incomparable

00:00:02 ◼   ► the incomparable number 320 a November [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► uncomfortable i'm your host Jason Snell [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► we are going to do an unusual thing semi [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► unusual thing for the uncomfortable [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► which is talk about a movie that is in [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► theaters now as we record this it is [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► November 2016 and a film released in [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► this very month is on our agenda we are [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► going to talk about a rival directed by [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► Denny Villeneuve and starring Amy Adams [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► and jeremy renner along with forest [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► whitaker and some other interesting [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► people based on the ted chang story [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► story of your life which I i should i [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► should look up we discussed it that [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► story and his entire collection in in an [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► early episode of the incomparable [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► episode number 20 nope 3232 you can go [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► back to number 32 and here past us talk [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► about that [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► joining me to talk about arrival are [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► these three lovely people lean sims [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► hello hello [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► it's good to have you here thank you i'm [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► excited to talk about this amazing movie [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► I loved spoilers John siracusa is also [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► here is was will be something like that [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► hi John [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► yeah it's kinda seems like I've always [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► been here and yet I haven't arrived yet [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► Glenn fleischmann was joining us and [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► always joins us hi Glenn [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► hi I can't tell you how hard it was [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► we're talking about the story is a few [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► years ago do not mention this episode [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► but i did it i pulled it off [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► that's good that's good heptapod be and [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► of course I don't know why of course he [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► saw the movie and I want to talk about [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► its just oh hi Joe [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► hello you were one of the motivators for [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► me to finally pull the trigger on on [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► this because you're like I have things I [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► would like to say I'm like alright so do [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► I let's do it let's make it happen our [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► friend Erica and sign can't be here [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► because she's traveling we're recording [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► this just before Thanksgiving and she's [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► traveling to the United States for [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► thanksgiving but but out at a key moment [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► we will interject something that she [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► wanted to make known about goal this [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► film so that's exciting [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► everybody stay tuned stay tuned for that [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► it's a it's a good officer is actually [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► the first review of it i read excellent [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► very similar observation and it's very [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► good [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► so this is a movie like a so many about [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► aliens appearing on earth and you can [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► probably guess what will happen next and [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► pretty much none of those things happen [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► i think that's that's my opening [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► statement is one of the I mean I know [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► what was going to happen because i read [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► the short story five years ago but i [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► really enjoy how it's on one level it's [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► like 50 other movies and yet when you [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► get a little of that level it is not [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► like very many other movies at all [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► I i really like that about it what do [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► you all what did you all do you all [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► think about the the concept of this of [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► this movie the basic concept but i'm a [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► huge fan up the short story i'd say the [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► story is which I reread after seeing the [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► film I don't want to spoil my memory [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► that gets into the home phone itself i [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► don't remember too well when I was about [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► to see and it's a story that I think [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► about all the time like I would say not [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► a month goes by that the story doesn't [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► pop up my thoughts in some ways are [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► reminded by it over the many years since [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► i first read it because it it has this [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► residence to me about especially since [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► becoming a parent because I think [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► there's something deep in a story of [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► your life about parenthood but also it's [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► a rollicking sci-fi story that has [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► really interesting elements that are [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► almost unique to the story that you [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► almost don't see in the whole of science [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► fiction which is kinda Ted Chang thing [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► that he said he does so many stories [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► that are almost three generous you don't [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► you know you're like how I rented [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► anywhere else like no no not exactly so [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► watching in the movie i had that [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► medicine sation of kind of knowing what [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► the whole movie is going to be about [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► which is perfect for this film but not [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► really knowing what I was what I was [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► about to see so I had that overlay on it [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► as well I went into this i knew nothing [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► about it I hadn't read the short story I [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► don't even know if I knew there was a [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► short story I hadn't seen a trailer and [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► I just had a bunch of friends who saw it [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► more like wow that was astounding as so [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► I one of them being you Jason text my [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► husband from lake in the middle of my [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► class that i was teaching was like it [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► you can see the movie tonight [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► and so we went I and i loved it so much [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► there's so much that is extremely well [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► done and I i do have some quibbles but [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► by and large the the entire thing I [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► thought was really really beautiful and [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► both from lake at a cinematic mood [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► setting standpoint and I thought amy [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► adams was absolutely amazing she did [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► such a great job in that role and I felt [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► a little betrayed that I said jeremy [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► renner movie but I gotta ask that and I [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► i really loved it like I walked out of [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► there my husband we do a rating system [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► when we see movies or whatever and he [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► was like okay so how many stars and I [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► was like this is a solid like four and a [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► half stars movie for me it is one of the [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► best movies i've seen in a long time and [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► he's wrong he gave it three and a half [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► but it wasn't the best movies that i [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► have seen and we're gonna have you said [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► he trashed three-and-a-half is not [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► trashing it [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► he no no he didn't trash it but he [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► didn't love it on the level that i did [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► and i think part of that is some of the [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► stuff that Erica wanted to bring up that [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► will talk about after the spoiler home [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► porn goes off so earn and but yeah I [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► think from a gender perspective from [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► seeing people represented in movies who [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► are like me this did better than any [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► movie that I've seen in maybe ever and [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► but we'll talk about that later [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► I just learned that there will be a [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► spoiler horn coming up so i will pilot [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► the ship accordingly Joe do you have any [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► initial thoughts that you want to share [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► about arrival I like a clean i had not [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► read the short story and if I ever [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► listened to the comfortable episode [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► about it i completely forgot which is [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► how i do most of the book episodes and [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► then I usually remember that i wanted to [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► read something based on what you had [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► talked about and eventually get around [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► to it [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► we call that the modified McNulty rule [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► which is a few of you you for even [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► forget about listening to podcast about [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► books you might read yeah and it's so it [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► worked it worked out okay in terms of I [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► like the movie but now i have tried to [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► go back and read the book I didn't [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► manage before this podcast though and I [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► know going into it that the two are not [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► directly related in enough of a way that [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► would seriously impact my movie-going [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► experience so i'm a i'm kind of a happy [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► that I did get the the fresh take on it [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► I wasn't worried about any sort of [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► divergence from from the plot of the [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► book and I I should specify it's not [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► even a book it's a short stories about [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► 70 pages long in in a collection of [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► short stories called stories of your [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► life and others but the actual story [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► story of your life is about 70 pages [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► long [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► it's not exciting but not quite a [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► novella right it's like yeah maybe it's [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► a short novella is its short story [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► feeling [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► yeah i just started with the beginning [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► of the book in there it's like some [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► Babylon tower thing [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► oh yeah that's that's a pretty good [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► story but they're not related you don't [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► you don't have to read them anymore but [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► I like that one too that was weird is it [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► he's a good writer like just wanted to [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► get some context did her the will get [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► done but still but now I i like the [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► execution of this movie like being said [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► I do have some quibbles with it a [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► particularly in terms of execution of [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► some hair or something um ok [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► yeah but the overall i have really [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► positive feelings about about what I saw [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► and I think part of that is the film's [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► optimistic a tone that it sets in spite [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► of a certain bittersweet moments that [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► you might have in your life so i really [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► look forward to discussing that all [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► right today so I'm it's like I'm drawing [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► opening statements out of people who [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► have not John you have some initial [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► thoughts before we blow the spoiler horn [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► I guess I'm the third one who also [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► didn't read the short story and may or [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► may not have listened to the incompetent [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► episode about and i'm pretty sure i did [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► but i think like it wasn't one of those [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► ones where you you talk about a lot of [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► things and I think I may be managed to [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► talk about this story without actually [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► spoiling it because I I think that's [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► probably about it [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► yeah i think we talked about the flavor [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► of the shape of it yeah yeah i didn't i [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► didn't know how it was gonna turn out [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► but it's not like I was watching oh yeah [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► I kind of know this is gonna turn out [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► like i didn't i didn't had no memory of [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► it at all and I and likely not mostly [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► went to it based on Jason's raves it and [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► a couple of the people said good things [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► about to but you were raving about him [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► like ah right well then I guess what we [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► took the whole family because I figured [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► what the heck [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► although my daughter was bored by it but [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► yeah I i we didn't take the kids because [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► i figured that they would probably [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► keyboard yeah it's a little slow but [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► anyway I'm I i had seen the trailers a [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► little bit of the trailers I had avoided [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► any spoilers that it wasn't spoiled for [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► this movie and and I wanted to see it [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► kind of the same way I see a lot of [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► movies where I feel like I want to [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► support the kind of movie I like to see [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► made and even if I didn't like this [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► movie at all like well it's one of those [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► kind of seems like serious [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► character-driven sci-fi stories and I [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► more I wish there was more of those like [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► it doesn't always have to be you know a [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► Marvel movie are you blowing up aliens [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► or even like a space opera star wars [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► like you know just playing outside [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► families just not enough that's what the [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► reason I see oblivion even though it's [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► not great you know just like i watch i [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► watch almost anything that promises to [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► be a semi-serious sci-fi movie and I [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► thought this movie was executed in an [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► interesting way and told the story that [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► I hadn't seen you know told in movies [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► that often i think i like they're [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► probably less than everybody else's [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► opinion ever heard so far but i totally [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► want there to be more movies like this [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► and I appreciate a lot of things about [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► this movie is just it the story in the [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► end doesn't hold together for me but [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► just don't I ask you one question about [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► the film which is if you had this [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► reaction which was that the depiction of [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► like setting stuff up in a tent and the [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► kind of stuff that computers were doing [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► seemed actually okay like it [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► it struck me as not exaggerating the [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► potential even though we can tell it's [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► maybe slightly in the future I'm not [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► sure maybe tiny bit that it felt [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► realistic and earthy that was that's the [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► least of my concerns like this point i'm [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► so so willing to you know they it was [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► beneath the level of my concern if i can [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► let you have to really be egregiously [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► terrible at showing technology from you [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► to notice at this point and they [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► everything was fine and notice the [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► little bit of the idea of like the [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► beautiful design graphics showing when [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► people are the countries are [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► disconnected as a as a movie isn't the [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► jumped out a little bit i have no that's [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► not part of what I the problems i [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► haven't I can't really talk about [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► spoiling I only bring it up because the [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► I feel like there's also some [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► science-fiction movies are spoiled for [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► me now because I feel like some of the [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► fundamental stuff they're showing not [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► just the technology but the kind of [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► interaction what things are expected to [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► do break for me [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► so much i can't get over the suspension [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► of disbelief there's too much and radium [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► without enough story underneath it in [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► this case I felt like that they depicted [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► technology realistically and very [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► plainly in the middle of what was a very [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► technologically sophisticated thing [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► happening and that to me maybe know the [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► more I felt more real to meet and feels [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► distant you had a light touch with all [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► that stuff like they weren't the entire [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► movie had a light touch which I [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► appreciated but they weren't going to [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► tell that the events that took place uh [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► and very often were like oh I've seen it [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► seen like this in 55 movies but they [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► weren't shown the way they're normally [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► shown and the things they would you [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► would expect them to do well on there [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► like actually that's not what we really [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► care about this movie I mean the whole [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► the opening of the movies is a great [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► tell because it doesn't open with you [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► ominous throwing and pictures of space [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► and aliens like it'sit's a human story [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► starts with it with the our main [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► character narrating and it's about her [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► for the entire movie essentially and she [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► she tells a story and it like it starts [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► the same way you can imagine like a [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► family drama starting or something you [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► know what I mean like that and that [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► that's how the movie plays throughout [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► and it's almost almost incidental that [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► there's this alien syfy angle to it [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► really is a character-driven story and [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► you know except this is I would love to [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► see more movies like this because i [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► think this is a great combination of you [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► know serious character-driven story with [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► a sci-fi setting thrown in shot in an [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► interesting way [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► so before we before we dive into [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► spoilers are a couple of the topics that [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► I wanted to at least mention that i [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► think are our kind of free of the plot [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► of this movie and it's this this movie [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► has some plot i don't know if i want to [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► say twist but it has some surprises [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► throughout that I think it's better I [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► think aliens suggestion that we use the [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► spoiler horn is is is a good one [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► although it one of the things i will say [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► now is it [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► I don't feel like this is a puzzle box [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► movie where the goal is to solve the [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► puzzle or be surprised by the puzzle i [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► think it's in it enjoyable story all the [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► way through even though there are [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► surprises as it goes but i really wanted [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► to bring up i want to bring up the eye [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► can see direction i could say [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► cinematography it this i think this [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► movie looks really good and then also [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► the muse [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► sick it sounds really good just on those [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► levels i think the pacing of it the way [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► it's shot especially a lot of this takes [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► place out in the field [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► I mean there's like there's a there's a [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► house on a lake and there's a which is [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► beautiful but there's this field in [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► Montana or Wyoming or wherever they're [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► out out and on the plains there's this [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► field with a big spaceship hovering over [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► it sort of and it's just slow camera [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► movements and beautiful beautifully shot [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► and I just think it's a [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► beautiful-looking movie and a very [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► restrained movie and I talking about [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► john-john saying i wanna i wanna have [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► more movies like this there are so many [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► especially genre movies that are not [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► restrained and this is a very restrained [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► movie you can see the sort of discipline [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► we're going to take our time we're going [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► to move slow [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► we're not going to push this too fast [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► and I really like really liked all of [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► that in the look and the feel of it i'm [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► so glad you said to restring these I was [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► thinking restraint was the thing is it's [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► quiet in spots they have their time the [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► alien ships are not fancy [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► we don't know anything about how they [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► work really it's not important [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► it reminds me of some 1960 sci-fi films [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► are some really elaborate stuff in the [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► sixties it goes way over the top of [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► course but then there's a few quieter [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► films that are very spare and restrained [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► some avant-garde movies that aren't even [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► sci-fi but they're slightly magical [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► realistic where things happen unfold in [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► a way that doesn't seem entirely linear [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► I was thinking particularly of the [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► original solaris which is more active [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► and has more kind of a sci-fi vibe to it [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► and this film does in this bill has [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► aliens in it but it has moments in [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► solaris there's just this kind of [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► repetitive thing or quietness or someone [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► staring and it has more power because [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► it's not genetic it's wonderful and I [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► want to try some similarities i guess to [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► contact if people are you know thinking [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► about ya dip it was much more [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► conventional this so much more democracy [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► yeah but it's it's still the kind of [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► story they're trying to tell about a [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► person and their interaction with [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► something beyond it's not it's not as a [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► space opera ask it took it so seriously [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► serious on by i mean i think they [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► diverge widely at in terms of how much [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► they care about character versus how [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► much they care about the science but [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► both of them i would file as serious [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► sci-fi movies made essentially for [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► adults and it's just that I I you know I [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► everyone contact is so much more [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► conventional in terms of just how [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► everything is shot how everything is lit [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► the the events to take place the music [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► everything about it this is arrivals [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► almost more like an arthouse movie [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► compared to contact [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► yeah but they they are in terms of most [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► what movie is this movie's most like I [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► that's probably what I would say is [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► contact and the only other alternative I [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► could I could come up with is probably a [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► christopher nolan movie like memento or [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► the prestige which are which are very [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► different movies and yet there's [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► something about the vibe of this that [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► reminded me of some of those the non bad [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► man Christopher Nolan movies uh I don't [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► know that those the best ones that I [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► could come up with but I think contact [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► is probably the the most comparable ha [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► whoo yeah not not in terms of execution [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► of no no ya didn't watch solaris good i [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► think that was a good comparison the [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► original solaris no it's just I yeah I [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► find it i find that kind of beautiful [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► and and gentlemen a lot of ways that you [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► know so many movies assault us and it's [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► nice to feel like again this is a like [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► that i think that's what John is getting [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► out this is this is a sci-fi movie for [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► adults like it is it is defiantly for [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► adults it's not for bring the whole [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► family and I think even though you can I [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► mean there's not many other than some [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► language you it's fine i just think kids [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► will be kinda bored and I think [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► teenagers will probably be bored bored [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► by 2 because it's not like single and [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► make it an older kid can get wrapped up [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► in it because it's one of those movies [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► where like it's slow but if you get [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► caught up in it that slowness that's [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► tension that's like you're looking at [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► every you have enough times there like [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► the little rough texture on the edge of [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► the little tunnel going up into the ship [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► you haven't had time to think about [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► these things and to dwell on them and [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► and to look at the mist covering the [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► field and like I feel like kind of like [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► I said like jaws but kind of like it a [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► lot of the older movies from decades [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► past where they were slow paced and they [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► don't grab you it's just like a boring [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► movie but they do grab you that slow [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► pace is like you just feel like you're [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► being pulled along by string through the [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► whole movie you just you just can't wait [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► to see it unfold [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► I've got another comp by the way I'm [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► gonna throw in here the slowness and [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► restrain this actually reminded me of [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► unbreakable a little bit which is a [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► movie i love oh yeah there's this [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► definitely Shyamalan anything here [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► yeah i'm yeah looks good the good kind [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► of a good point [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► not the kind where there's an elevator [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► that's the devil but I you said you [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► didn't think this was a puzzle box movie [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► and I agree it's not you're not trying [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► to like figure it out but I feel like to [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► the turn in this movie I wouldn't call [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► the twist that were called the turn [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► yeah the turn in this movie because i [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► didn't know anything about the short [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► story i really appreciate it because i [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► felt like it kind of like blossomed as I [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► realize what they were doing right in a [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► pleasant way I in a way that made me [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► appreciate that you think that was the [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► high point of the movie for me when I [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► when I realized what they were doing [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► like are you know around the turn part [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► kind of want a little bit downhill after [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► but when I realized what they were doing [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► timeline wise kind of like another thing [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► that that's another piece of media that [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► we won't talk about because we want to [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► spoil that and this particular podcast I [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► I appreciate that unlike a big smile [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► came across my face and like very well [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► done because I need you know just [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► ripples backwards and you realize with [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► the hoping of the movie and what they [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► were getting at was like good job i felt [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► like giving them a little bit of [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► applause there and that's a pleasant [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► sensation better than the haha didn't [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► you know the twist was whatever like it [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► was totally even even the twist was [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► gentle twist was a turn [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► yeah no you're right this does uh the [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► film does exactly what the story doesn't [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► that's one of the qualities that [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► captures which we can talk about more [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► for the spoiler but it diffuses what you [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► learn sort of backwards and forward in [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► time so it actually rebuild in your mind [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► what you think you've just read or seen [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► and the film did it i want to say almost [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► perfectly they had a structured [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► differently in the in the story some of [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► the stuff comes later they don't shows [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► what that he doesn't want to them i [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► think give you too much of the [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► information but you have to present [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► visually you have to keep people in [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► because otherwise it would be [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► sudden twist and it wouldn't make sense [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► so the way they kind of rippled it in [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► the film i think was the perfect [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► cinematic analog to what the story [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► unfolded as alright I am going to now [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► play a a transcript of the alien [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► language as heard in the movie arrival [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► no it's actually it's just the spoiler [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► horn but they're similar here it is [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► ok whoo boy that you right up oh yeah [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► it's it makes a circle with any way you [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► see the spoiler horn so i can understand [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► what this one's trying to say [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► yeah okay all all spoilers have been [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► cleared now we can now talk about what [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► happened what happens in this movie and [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► you know it's the thing knowing having [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► read the story the very beginning of the [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► movie i actually said this to Lauren [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► when we were walking out to the car at [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► the end i said it's there in the first [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► line like the first line of the movie is [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► I used to think that your story began [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► here but now I'm not so sure [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► right so it sits there from the [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► beginning and what a move [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► I mean I guess up like maybe up to come [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► to hear want to move to have the first [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► part of this movie it's okay we're gonna [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► go see a movie about aliens and it's no [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► it's actually about a mother caring for [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► her dying child and then the child dies [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► Wow okay that's that's where we start I [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► was bawling to my friend of mine said [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► she'd said I cried heavily three times [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► during the film I was crying two minutes [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► and I was like oh they already just [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► totally got their hooks in me I was [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► crying during the during the trailers [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► plan to discover bad those movies aren't [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► that bad oh you know it is it is well [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► because what it sets it as the tone of [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► the movie is you're watching a story of [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► a woman who is trying to piece her life [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► back together after a horrible tragedy [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► which is not what the movie is that [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► you're actually watching and it's it's [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► interesting to me because there are a [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► lot of and I don't know parallels isn't [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► exactly the right word but there are [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► things that i can very deeply relate to [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► you i have several several sets of [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► friends who have actually lost their [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► daughters to childhood cancer and and i [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► have been there and supported them [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► through that and and I have been there [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► in the aftermath of that and watching [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► them do that work and so I was like oh [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► wow ok and i also teach college classes [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► and somehow watching her go to school [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► and like having this this level of [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► empathy for her is she's like I think [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► you know we're trying trying to teach [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► students and move on with her life [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► and you know go home and talk with her [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► mom and like all of the stuff I'm like [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► you know how how does like feel after [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► that you know from from her perspective [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► and so I was like I can't imagine [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► teaching class you know after my [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► daughter died and and in keeping it [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► together and in teaching about languages [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► and and how do you find your purpose in [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► that and you know like all of those [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► things so it was like immediately I was [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► like oh wow this is right in the feels [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► right in the feels right off the bat i [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► also thought about but I was also [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► thinking during that whole section where [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► is the other parent for this child and [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► it was like a first-time light is just [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► bad movie making where they didn't cast [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► that part it's not important and then [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► like well no this is just more part of [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► her very tragic story that she's been [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► raising this girl alone and she asked to [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► help this girl died alone like that you [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► know that that's part of the tragedy [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► evidence that and and I like the fact [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► that my my questions and puzzling about [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► that were nicely then logically answered [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► later in the movie you know after the [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► turn their addressed in the middle [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► because at one point there's that scene [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► where she's helping her daughter do her [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► homework and says I just didn't like [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► father it was science ask your father [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► yeah that's not like he's out of the [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► picture like yeah you know that you know [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► that they split so hard that he's just [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► didn't want to have anything to do with [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► the daughter anymore or you know like [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► yeah any day that that's that's that I [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► where I consider the turn to have [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► happened is probably way before the [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► movie thinks it's revealing it because [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► they did leave lots of clues right so i [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► probably the pieces like right yeah [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► exactly [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► you know I mean and also law of [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► conservation of characters and so on and [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► so forth but I it doesn't matter where [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► it occurs i think it was it was it was [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► nice it was this is a sturdily [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► constructed turn [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► yeah that no matter where you get it is [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► satisfying and and yea and all and it [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► really helps that all those scenes work [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► both before you know and they work after [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► and it's not like they only work after [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► or they may you know like it's just it's [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► just good movie making you know i won't [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► ask folks we have read the story I [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► didn't even understand this alien until [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► you just said it is one of the first [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► things came up I was so wrapped up and [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► seeing the story i love on screen and I [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► was a niners to the time sequence [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► because I dread it [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► so the daughter we see her you know [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► dying and then the mothers it's good no [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► Louise is teaching I never thought about [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► that as the emotional reaction of her [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► daughter just died like the [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► chronological sequence and she's back [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► teaching and this is why she looks sort [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► of morose because I knew the order of [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► things happening it never struck me [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► until you decide and straight until you [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► just said that [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► yeah I met and how douchey process the [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► arrival of aliens it's like you're all [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► your thinking when you watch that scene [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► it's all about that she's coping with [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► this loss [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► he's not actually what you're saying [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► yeah because it's very traditionally it [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► in terms of the mechanics of traditional [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► movie making these would-be flashbacks [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► because we haven't seen the movie yet so [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► I that not only makes logical sense if [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► you if you're not familiar with the [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► story I and one of the other interesting [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► things that they didn't use a flash [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► forward flashbacks is that they she [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► looks exactly the same [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► they didn't do any aging makeup or the [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► other touch-up work or anything [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► she always looks like amy adams of the [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► present throughout the entire film [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► whenever she's in one of these altered [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► time states and i think at first I [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► wasn't sure why they chose to do that [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► but then after you find out what the [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► twist is it's like oh because if you saw [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► an old Amy Adams with her child has been [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► alive for 20-something years then it [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► isn't was willing to accept it in the [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► movie it made it seem like she was [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► entertained but I don't they probably [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► were careful with it that's the one part [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► of this movie that probably doesn't read [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► the same in both directions only because [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► they're trying to not give anything away [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► they're subtle but I had that same [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► ecology age as well I mean I probably [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► just put on less makeup and hit her [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► crow's feet less well and maybe did a [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► little touch-up on the hair but honestly [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► you know various not as if you're going [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► to change to a wrinkled old hag and 15 [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► years especially if you you know that I [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► the only thing that the thing that [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► struck me about this both isn't it's not [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► a timeline question is the story of how [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► she comes from a family that makes your [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► independently wealthy because there's no [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► way and a professor salary that you can [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► have the house in the lac all by herself [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► there's a lot of those fantasy movie as [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► it was a beautiful house apparently the [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► house when they when they went into the [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► home and [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► and Ryan you know what the hell of a [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► place it isn't that the show is in case [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► shot and came back I thought it was out [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► here actually yeah it's like it's [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► exactly like washing it looks like [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► Washington I had that same thought I [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► just assumed that she was in seattle and [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► that was exhausted and open and since [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► since the author is from seattle right [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► doesn't change that from seeing exactly [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► that is why do I assume that that's that [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► was at least an homage to that if [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► nothing else I think so I mean I think [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► they set up the community in the college [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► that she teaches at a community college [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► what has that feeling of like a 1960s [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► built Community College just the brick [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► and whatever so lean this is the time [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► where we should talk since since makeup [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► and Amy Adams came up we should talk [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► about this and it's something and like i [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► said in the review that i read to which [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► is Amy Adams look this is a movie Amy [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► Adams is made up in this movie but she's [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► not made up to be like glamorous [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► glamorous yeah she's made up to be like [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► a person living their life and that is [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► not usually what happens when women are [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► in movies [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► yeah yeah and and I think as I said at [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► the beginning I think that's part of why [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► i love this movie so much as it's [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► because and I mean there are a lot of [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► ways that can relate to her but one of [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► them is a I don't wear makeup everyday [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► and some days I don't even brush my hair [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► I work from home so and often work from [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► home so you know it in there were times [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► when it it looked like she had gone [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► directly from her cot on site to the [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► computer to you know they're the better [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► no blueprints of of the language or [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► whatever and and I loved that because at [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► no point was she [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► well okay one point she was an address [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► to the nines with every hair in place [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► right but the rest of the time she just [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► looked normal and that's not something I [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► get in movies you know we get hair is [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► precisely in place and perfect you know [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► whatever winged eyeliner i don't even [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► really know what that means if you have [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► things like that and so it was so [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► refreshing to see someone look real to [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► see a woman look real in a movie and not [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► only that she looked real and she was [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► respected [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► yeah and not only was she respected she [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► turned them away like she did not bow to [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► the government you know too that was [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► what does this rank colonel-general [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► whatever he was her and all she did he [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► she was like okay walk away I'm better [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► you ask him this question you come back [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► to me you will come back to me in and [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► she was just honest you're strong and [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► amazing and respected and real [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► throughout the movie in a way that I [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► don't know that I've ever seen [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► can I ask you about there's a scene [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► early on that I thought set the tone too [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► is when they go into 10 and ian is [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► introduced and she is not reduced unlike [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► the colonel is doing that typical thing [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► of these disrespecting woman that's not [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► gonna be a plot point that he takes her [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► to the other tenses she this is your [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► team you're in charge and I went oh my [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► god this is not what I was expecting [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► I don't remember it wasn't set up in the [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► story she is part of a party man charged [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► but just the casual business casual miss [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► of military leader like doing what was [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► directed here in this is the team your [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► part of boom [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► Louise this your team these people [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► working for you I had that moment she [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► was like oh he's gonna say something [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► weird to her and I'm gonna get mad and i [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► did not i was i was world and I superly [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► she just she did whatever the F she [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► wanted [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► I think she you know she saw the [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► whiteboard she took the whiteboard in [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► and was like this this is what I'm doing [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► she and going to check off the hazmat [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► suit in the caverns that she could [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► communicate better without you no [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► permission without vetting it with [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► anybody she just did it and I i don't [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► know i really love to seeing all of that [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► it just and in a way that I can't really [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► Express only to say that you know this [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► is this is why representation in media [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► matters why women need to see ourselves [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► depicted why people of color need to see [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► themselves in amazing roles so I've got [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► two notes one is um I like as the movie [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► progresses the the San Francisco [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► Chronicle review by Peter Hartlaub said [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► it literally looks like amy adams and [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► jeremy renner just kinda like kept [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► shooting and sleeping in their clothes [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► and shoot and really it feels like [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► they're there it you know so many movies [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► can make it was like yeah I [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► know that they're actually out there [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► working around the clock and they've [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► been there for weeks but there they [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► totally got it together and they look [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► beautiful and fashionable it's like nope [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► they they look like they got thrown on a [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► helicopter and put out in the middle of [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► nowhere and are getting no sleep and [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► they're trying to figure this out and it [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► really works for the the idea that [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► they're trying to work this problem and [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► figure this out but they do look like [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► they've been sleeping in their clothes [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► and it's and it's good and it's [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► effective and the other thing i want to [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► say talk about forest whitaker for a [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► second is the colonel i really like [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► forest whitaker I mean force which is [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► great but in this movie I really like [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► him because it's very clear that his job [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► is to be a conduit and he's not like we [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► see in so many movies this like totally [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► bullheaded military man who's gonna [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► who's gonna say all you scientists you [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► don't even know he he's very much like [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► you need to explain it to me so that I [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► can explain it to them because the the [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► people I'm talking to don't hear you and [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► I need to let you know i need to make [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► this all work and that's his job is to [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► be that conduit and he doesn't he pushes [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► back on them but when he does it's for [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► good reason and it generally is because [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► he knows the politics up the chain and I [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► really liked that felt like a much more [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► realistic performance of a and a [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► character in a role in this in this [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► story and and you know forest whitaker [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► did it really well and more importantly [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► to Louise's whole story of her being [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► plopped down in there whatever she comes [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► in and you know she doesn't think she [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► tries to be assertive with the deal [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► being made for her and her competitor [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► linguist or whatever everyone to [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► eventually goes there she is you know [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► nervous about what its gonna be like and [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► she tries to assert herself but forest [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► whitaker makes it clear that there are [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► opposing forces here and so it's not [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► like she comes in is just all of a [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► sudden in charge of everybody and is you [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► know it is it is a it is a nice balance [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► like it's not as if the world lays down [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► before her and merely because she is a [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► sort of everything goes your way [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► immediately there are challenges there [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► are there other powers and charges she [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► asked to deal with she has to be [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► convincing to them she gets pushed back [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► she doesn't get everything that she [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► wants immediately it is a much more [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► reasonable example of multiple people [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► all trying to do that [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► right thing with strong personalities [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► and skills coming to an agreement and i [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► would say like both this and with the [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► women who are constantly in Regulus [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► makeup sci-fi does both of these things [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► better than many other genres because [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► very often it involves multiple smart [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► people trying to do the right thing [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► working towards a common goal which is a [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► nice thing to see you don't see a lot of [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► other movies where they have to have [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► like a villain all the time and not [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► there are a lot of them but if of all [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► the genres that are well-known sci-fi is [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► more likely to it than others to have a [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► woman character who is not there [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► constantly made up all the time anyway [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► there's not many examples but like that [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► but I was trying to think of other [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► characters that are like this [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► women who are allowed to do a job and [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► not constantly be glamorous women who [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► are allowed to look damp and sweaty [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► because they're there in a hot spaceship [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► or they're on the the the fog ridden [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► plains of Montana or whatever you've got [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► ripley in the alien movies you've got a [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► series of you know female marines and [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► various future scenarios where it's not [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► all about the glamour that's basically [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► the only time they'll actresses to [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► appear not you know that not look like [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► they'd spent two hours in hair and [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► makeup before they arrived and we go [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► back to Jodie Foster in contact right [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► right i mean she's got a ponytail right [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► and she's running around and she's [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► sleeping in our clothes and I I you know [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► she's obviously I'm probably more made [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► up the name e adams in this but i still [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► think like you know it in these movies [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► they still have a scene where the bank [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► jodie foster gets get dressed up in the [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► fancy dress for her one seen this one [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► has the yeah meeting with the ambassador [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► and there but fine like you you give [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► them that but the rest of the time the [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► because of the because of the settings [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► like if you're going to have really [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► running around the spaceship and she's [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► not going to be wearing like you know [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► Princess Leia outfit the whole time [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► she's not she's not a princess she [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► started working on the ship the ship is [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► gross and it's filled with you know [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► temperature fluctuations and and [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► moisture and aliens the drip things on [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► you and you know she's allowed to look [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► like that for the whole movie and it's [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► fine [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► one of the moments where I really like [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► for Amy Adams is when she [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► is explaining the question that the [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► general would like to start the colonel [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► would like them to ask what they would [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► like to get to anyone he doesn't feel [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► like they're moving fast enough and she [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► breaks it down in a really amazing way [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► that died sex all the complexity of of [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► the problem that is in front of them a [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► takes up to something that looks so easy [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► and presents you with every facet of of [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► difficulty in communicating with these [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► beings who have just started to refer to [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► in terms of names so it's quite nice and [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► it really it you reinforces her [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► particular strengths in a way that none [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► of the other characters in the film are [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► able to provide even the scientists [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► doesn't let me know Jeremy Renner [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► doesn't understand really much of [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► anything about communicating with the [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► aliens he's what was your life like the [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► piece like the bimbo in this movie I was [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► jeremy renner there is just therefore i [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► can do to help those who help us to be [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► the science guy but he was so little [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► help with the science so happy but they [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► have a baby so you need a guy and really [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► I'm not really had it especially [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► interesting role reversal were nothing [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► like the woman would be there just to be [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► like every once in awhile say somethin [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► to show ya no I'm really a science [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► person but you know he was supposed to [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► be on top in case they know they shoot a [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► bunch of physics in the story there's [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► there's a there's more of that they're [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► not a team like that they just work you [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► know it's a it's set up separately but i [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► think they carried over that feeling [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► into the movie without any of the actual [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► like any other teaching us some physics [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► as we go but we can't figure out how to [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► talk about physics because their [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► conception of physics is a totally [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► different thing than ours and he owned [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► the only thing you have the movies he [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► had the he got the one in twelve [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► pointing at the they put all the symbols [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► up and he figured out the 112 fraction [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► and that's essentially isn't his entire [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► contribution he wasn't even particularly [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► supportive of anybody just kind of came [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► in and it's like sitting back and [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► watching I mean he's a supporting [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► character it's fine but it is an [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► interesting reversal where normally the [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► token woman would be the one who's there [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► who has the supposed job and is allowed [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► to demonstrate your skill for some [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► simple thing but one could argue this is [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► within the structure of the film the [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► reason is there is because he was there [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► yeah not [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► because you know you're the only had to [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► be there because you had to be there so [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► they could fall in love at the trial [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► that's just what I'm gonna have to do [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► have important conversations like it i [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► think that the most important role is [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► like aside from the romantic thing is [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► the bloody angle the two of them kind of [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► come into this together [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► yeah are kind of in over their heads [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► together like a one of the more [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► important scenes I feel like it as the [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► turn was revealing itself was sitting [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► out there just like away from the camp [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► for a little bit and just talking and [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► and you know talking / mild flirting [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► colored by the weird situation saying [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► like you know boy it must be handy to be [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► an expert in communication with inches [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► believe me you can end up alone even if [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► you're an expert in which works in both [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► directions because you're like oh yeah [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► no she's alone because whatever whoever [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► scientist has been frightening [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► oversizing her husband signs at this [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► point you wherever husband wasn't there [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► when her daughter died earlier in the [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► movie so boy she must be said but you [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► know as we learned later she's also long [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► before that so that statement works fine [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► in both directions and it shows that [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► they are you know that they have a [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► connection yet so I uh I want to talk [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► about the art direction a little bit [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► before we talk about some more Pilate [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► things and talk about like I know I [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► mentioned some of this before the [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► spoiler horn but like I like the weird [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► texture of the spaceship [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► I like the weird entryway into the [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► spaceship that's an example where how do [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► you take a 70-page story and you make it [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► into a movie [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► well one thing is you go through instead [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► of into sentences explaining how you get [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► into the spaceship you take the time to [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► slowly drive out to the spaceship and [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► get on the thing that's gonna lift you [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► up to the place where the gravity [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► changes and now you're going sideways [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► and when you look back [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► you're looking down and all of that [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► right let's yell down the theater don't [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► look back don't know there's a moment [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► where somebody is a jeremy renner maybe [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► he's like totally freaking out [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► oh yeah and he looks back after he jumps [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► it was like no no don't do that don't do [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► that but i really liked it is [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► atmospheric and it's one of those things [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► where they could've skipped ahead right [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► but the first time you go into the [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► spaceship you're going in with them and [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► it's it's like it's a weird rough like [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► out like a lava rock or something and [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► they've got they've jury-rigged this [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► you know human tech to get you up the [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► lifter to get you up and then the [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► gravity gets weird and you know I liked [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► all of that I thought that was all [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► really clever and I enjoyed the fact [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► that we took the time to set the mood of [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► like entering this alien spaceship [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► thingy i will say though I well I agree [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► that afterwards I did think you know [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► that's not an especially inviting way to [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► talk to people [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► hey you don't want any made the error [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► the right so they could read it so much [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► they made the beautiful hallway they [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► sculpted it out they get everything the [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► right height for humans you want them to [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► have a lift to you know you want a [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► ladder [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► jeez you bring their own sister looks [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► like intelligent tests show it's like [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► putting your name on the paper at least [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► they could do they came light-years to [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► get there please do you go to bring a [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► scissor lift [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► I love the mechanism though because that [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► was that thing where you're like as a [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► sci-fi nerd you never see real sci-fi in [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► enough movies you see stuff that's an [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► approximation and simplification and the [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► idea that the aliens just obviously have [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► control over gravity they've got there [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► hovering ships that are hovering in the [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► air the way that bricks don't write to [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► quote one beside us and and then they [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► have the weird opening because it's just [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► convenient because they just control [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► gravity and the transition where the [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► military guys have already mastered its [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► they leap out Amy Adams a good job the [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► jerky better falls on his face which was [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► again a reversal you're like you're [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► expecting them to be suave and whatever [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► they know he gets the trip but amy adams [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► had to be helped i noticed that part I [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► was like why why do you gotta help the [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► woman and legislative demand i think [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► they redeemed it by having him and I [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► haven't fallen is exactly like that's [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► what it is it shows the unequal [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► treatment that is one of the many things [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► I don't accept but i think that the idea [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► that they have because they control [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► gravity this is a logical thing for the [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► aliens to do it's the most convenient [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► thing for them and then everything is [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► sort of like it's you know it's got that [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► wonderful texture mind a little [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► brutalist architecture the kind of [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► doubling of it but they go into a room [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► and it's a very playing room it's got a [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► big piece of glass in it and there's [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► trillions there is and what it wasn't [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► hard [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► the hard sci-fi part of me was picking [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► it knits around this the section about [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► the whole idea of like what you get when [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► you bring these people into the base you [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► really going to bring them on there [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► without telling exactly what they're in [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► for the yeah they're behind glass like [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► they gave you enough hints so that the [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► audience kind of new [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► what was coming but obviously you would [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► you would tell the people hear the [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► dialogue was when they're coming in [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► there is over top there's a talking [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► going on we'll always and came in and [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► what the science says you have that we [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► at the end of the session the gravity [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► changes slid us gently out yeah it's [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► just like a little bit of background [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► conversation but they're not briefed on [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► it apparently i mean like maybe the [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► audience wouldn't have to know but [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► surely those two people they were tell [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► them exactly undergoing instead of them [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► being surprised when they throw it like [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► the light stick up there and and you [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► they've got scientists there wouldn't [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► you think like pretty much the only [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► thing the scientists would be doing [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► would be like how is the ship hovering [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► there right get the instruments out now [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► like this is the most interesting thing [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► that you it's observable is a gigantic [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► thing and it's not falling want you to [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► get on that kind of that is that's [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► another teenager like available just got [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► the team intense working on that they're [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► a bunch of teams in 10 [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► there's a physics guy and he's just not [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► like what you got it you know you take [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► get some instruments like get some [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► measurements like do something going for [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► the tricorder and wave it around it [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► looks like you're doing something that [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► was driving out there with pickup trucks [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► and saying well suffice it to say that [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► giant thing hovering over us [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► let's disregard that the government of [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► this whole yeah yeah I can be no the [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► thing that made me stop for a moment was [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► was the idea that surely they would be [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► briefed in detail before they were put [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► in hazmat suits and sent into the space [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► right about what do they look like [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► you'll see you'll see the arm and I [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► think there might be some dialogue but [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► you know the idea of like there is this [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► little bit wishy to start fresh and the [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► last guy is that left and we want you to [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► write this with open eyes first before [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► we tell you anything about it but come [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► on it's really so be sure the eyes of [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► the audience [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► it was so clear that the characters [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► didn't know that's fine for the audience [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► not to know because that's like Spencer [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► the audience but it was so clear that [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► the character you didn't know what they [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► were in for and suddenly like you should [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► have briefed the characters but maybe [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► they did because I mean honestly if you [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► were in a room with someone they were [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► like yeah the gravity's gonna like kind [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► of shift 90 degrees if you're gonna go [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► leaping them fall to your feet on the [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► wall like I don't know that I would be [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► able to really comprehend that until I [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► was actually doing it and i think i [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► would actually feel a lot of anxiety [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► about it because it's completely foreign [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► so i mean i agree i don't think they [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► were but maybe they were and it was just [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► such so [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► suspended belief or disbelief that that [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► they just could wrap their brains around [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► until they actually had to do it [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► I don't know why they're freaking out [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► standing underneath this thing the size [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► of a mountain that is not falling on [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► them for some reason like so it's okay [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► is it okay for us to stand here should [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► we drive the trucks right under this [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► thing cuz i love the claustrophobia [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► though I thought they did wonderful job [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► at made us feel like we were Louise in [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► that moment we're watching it you're [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► trying not to hyperventilate you don't [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► know exactly what's gonna happen thats [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► 15-foot tall elephant-like cephalopods [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► whoo whoooooo and other bad choices on [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► this base [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► don't let the military people there and [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► watch fox news oh yeah they would never [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► be like another thing that standard [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► military like okay well you're off duty [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► military people now watch a bunch of [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► paranoid lunatic like conspiracy [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► conspiracy website dot net is for that [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► is your free time feel free to watch [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► that that's fine [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► we've been total radio silence would [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► watch TV or skype calls me I have some [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► issues with that entire plot line which [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► we can get to but I want to ask about [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► the aliens so yeah it does anybody have [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► any thoughts about the way that the [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► Abbott and Costello our friends the [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► aliens are our differently [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► I don't know why they made a window [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► where you can only see their knees I [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► guess it's the review is to get you get [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► to reveal the end of the movie but I [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► feel like as far as window placement if [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► I was meeting a bunch of aliens I [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► wouldn't make a windows so they can see [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► from my knees down [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► that's the heptapods go figure they [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► don't they don't uh don't think like us [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► and also i was disappointed they weren't [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► wearing clothes i'm not saying that [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► aliens have to wear clothes but the [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► number of naked aliens and sci-fi movies [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► like all right come on the law of [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► averages some I'm gonna have some kind [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► of fast thing going on or they'll have [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► to be naked were not naked [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► seems like a thing you might do their [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► their own star trek don't protect your [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► puritanical values on the heptapod I've [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► got to say like you some of them are [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► going to be naked I'm fine but like [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► there should be some percentage of the [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► half-closed I was trying to think of a [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► pot with like a little jacket you know [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► probably a little bow tie is this like [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► panspermia but for clothes like [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► everybody wears clothes everywhere [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► no one wears clothes anywhere except [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► were using it to regulate your [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► temperature in some way and then [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► eventually they become fashion as your [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► society becomes more days it's not it's [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► not inconceivable that anything looks [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► kind of animal like these these aliens [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► are always like they look like animals [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► some kind they have joints and skin and [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► muscle and so on and so forth but never [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► any clothes for me clothing paradox [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► where everybody's clothes nudity is [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► universal state so that's it [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► also I have some questions about their [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► riding technique which seems to require [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► a big glass panel like how do they [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► haven't communicated riding with each [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► other when there's not a big glass [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► pitcher hovering in the role it's [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► hovering in the fluid there the fluid [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► environment and hovers is it looks gasps [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► it looks like they're in a cloud kind of [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► the exact makeup is never really and [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► especially hard there in ama a foggy [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► medium of some sort yeah like when she [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► enters later on there's there's writing [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► it just floats [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► I don't know it's like I mean I I kind [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► of understand the art direction like I [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► shouldn't be overthinking it should be [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► like what it is a type of network so [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► much better and writing because when you [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► do the visual you have to pin it down to [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► something when you put it down you're [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► like that's probably maybe not i don't [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► know like you you don't see the [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► advantages of it you see it looks cool [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► but practically speaking you know spring [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► including coalescing the shapes seems [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► massively inefficient compared to [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► dispose of you know advanced advancement [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► of their writing in but it doesn't get [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► to it in the film that they kind of are [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► there they're creating a simultaneity [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► above a thing at once and i think the [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► movie conveys it very implicitly its [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► explicit in the story it's a big hunk of [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► the story and I don't know that they [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► Jason I don't think they expressed as [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► well in the movie why that was I think [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► they did a pretty good job that there's [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► a scene where Amy Adams says imagine [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► writing you know writing a sentence with [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► both hands starting at the beginning and [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► the end and meeting in the middle that's [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► what that's what they do is they [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► encompass the entire thought and then [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► they put it out there and you know [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► there's there there squid-like they [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► express inc in and and I just I like [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► about it that you know they're alien [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► they're very different from us and [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► there's difficulty in communicating it's [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► not it's not be headed star trek aliens [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► and I like that about it that they are [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► that they're so they're so different and [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► weird and that's what aliens we if we [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► ever meet aliens they're going to not be [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► like some animal from some part of the [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► earth except intelligent right there [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► going to be very different and this is a [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► good way to do that even though yet they [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► are sort of like octopuses sort of [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► elephant and octopi [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► yeah there's a bit there that that thing [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► with the the aliens and the glasses [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► really is a trope though and I thought [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► they handled it really well like I'm [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► thinking of Independence Day with the [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► brent Spiner seen pushed up against the [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► glass and I felt like there's so many [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► opportunities in this film where you [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► think you're about to see something that [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► gets you into horror and you find out [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► what the reveal is I mean I knew the [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► story and think they changed that much [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► but I still thought is there something [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► coming [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► that's going to terrify me like it's [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► going to change the whole meaning of it [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► and I don't know how watching without [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► knowing the story if you felt like we [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► were on the verge of something terrible [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► happening with the aliens and then that [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► never results turns out the aliens are [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► just great central to sucks you know a [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► meditative job of not having like music [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► cues to make you think all of a sudden [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► some bloody thing is gonna they didn't [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► have any jumpscares they didn't have any [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► thing making you think there is going to [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► be jumpscares didn't have anything [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► making you think there was gonna be a [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► whore aspect and I appreciated that also [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► because my kids were there and be scared [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► i would say that when she put her hand [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► up to the class though there was sort of [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► the anticipation of a jump-scare like [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► she she's firmly interacting with the [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► physical environment at this point and [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► what will the alien response to that be [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► whether it is physical or their repulsed [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► by somebody touching it or whatever like [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► Italy either was there was no clear path [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► forward for what that would wind up [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► taking plate will wind up taking place [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► but it was fine all right uh plot stuff [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► so let's talk about those those angry [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► military guys with their conspiracy [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► websites and all that this is this is a [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► part of the story that I don't love but [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► i see why they did it [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► it's the entire we're we're [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► communicating with all the other [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► countries and then we're shutting it [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► down in China and Russia are causing [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► trouble and then we've got our own guys [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► who have decided that they're going to [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► blow up the thing or whatever I [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► understand why this adds a layer of of [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► suspense and action and threat [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► especially the very tense scene where [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► they're in the in the ship talking to [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► the heptapods while the bomb is about to [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► go off is the literal Hitchcock thing we [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► have [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► literal bond the audience knows is there [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► and the characters don't yeah but but [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► you know what the aliens know it's there [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► and they and they sweep them out to be [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► able to take their sweet time though [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► they do they do they leave it to the end [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► because they like a good then i'm going [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► to count their buildings especially like [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► with me tell you about the bomb behind [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► you but first let's just talk about some [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► other stuff yeah yeah I didn't I didn't [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► love this part I again I know why it's [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► there there's somebody who says you know [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► we need a little more conflict we need a [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► little more excitement about how about [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► an explosion and some gunfire but I [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► don't know why did I think this was my [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► favorite bit of not the plot part which [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► again I think it's just there is a [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► standard part in it i think it does help [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► the movie but the way it was handled i [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► thought was really different than I [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► would expect it so that the use of [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► things I liked about her sandal first of [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► all it was it was telegraphed pretty [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► obviously we have shown that guy's face [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► you know easy on the call was in fine [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► they did just somebody needs to do right [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► so they go there they plant the bomb we [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► see the bomb [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► it's got a time round up with it with [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► the standard 7 segment display the [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► timer's will always be made of what are [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► they gonna do when bombs don't have that [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► display on that anymore anyway that goes [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► up and they want to show you then is [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► like really only this other get this [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► guy's face has been here the whole time [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► going to be bored should be bored i [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► totally want to kill these aliens did I [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► say that out loud like the whole earlier [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► part of the movie we know it's gonna be [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► him then me then they show him down [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► there they send up the bomb [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► he's got other people with him you can't [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► really see like they're just like just [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► send him up whatever then they show the [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► close-up of them unpacking their weapons [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► unpacking their guns like and so it's [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► clear that it's a conspiracy essentially [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► all of them are like you know what [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► they're saying all the military stuff [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► like you know take good shots blog we [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► can do this but they only show them [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► opening the gun cases make sure their [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► hands from above right almost as if [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► you're looking out of the tunnel down at [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► it and they don't show that gunfight [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► they don't let your show like this they [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► show the trucks coming towards it they [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► showed the opening up the stuff and then [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► from within the cave area you hear some [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► gunshots but like we don't see the whole [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► battle because and i love that was like [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► I don't care about that guy [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► yeah I don't care how that battle turns [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► out i understand what you're getting at [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► you don't have to take me there [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► just just sketch it just be like don't [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► don't go down because so many other [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► movies would have had that battle scene [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► and have [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► cut back and forth in the battle scene [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► the bomb talking to aliens balancing the [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► Bob talking to aliens they stay with the [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► people in the room and then come back to [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► the bomb that much right now I love that [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► I love that I was not forced to spend [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► time with these Yahoo's down there [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► having their gunfighter even with the [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► good guys coming with the pickup trucks [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► try to stop them like I know how that's [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► gonna go you've established that you've [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► done it whatever now we're in the room [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► with the bomb and I really appreciated [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► again light touch on all that where they [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► just drop enough into the water to let [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► you know these are the things that are [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► happening you've seen this in 17 other [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► movies we don't need to show you that [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► stuff [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► let's show you the stuff we haven't seen [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► which is talking to these weird aliens [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► advancing that plot and oh yeah there's [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► a bomb in the thing and I thought the [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► way they resolve the bomb with the [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► little force push that the seven fingers [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► force push to save them and and float [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► them gently into the little gravity [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► tunnel on all that I thought that was [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► that was really nice and I do appreciate [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► a good explosion in the middle of a [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► sci-fi movie i'll say that was nice [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► explosion i want to bring up the I want [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► to circle back about the about that last [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► bit too is that Abbott does this because [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► they know it's gonna happen right this [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► is part of what we find out as we [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► develop further you look back at the [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► scene you say these aliens knew exactly [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► what was about to happen because they [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► know and this is this is an echo of Amy [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► Adams not changing the death of her [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► daughter even though ostensibly maybe [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► she could or she could not have [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► conceived the daughter line in the movie [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► in the book the story rather the [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► daughter dies in a climbing accident so [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► conceivably she could change events the [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► mother and Louise might have missed the [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► movie they make it essentially if you [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► have this child she's gonna do not die [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► of this rare and incurable disease which [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► is a different set of steaks so I think [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► they set up a bit in the same way as the [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► alien knows it's like the doctor right [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► he knows the staff is coming [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► somebody knocks four times where the [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► bomb is about to go off Abbott's entire [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► life is clear to him that leads up to [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► this moment when he commits this event [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► which has this consequence for his race [TS]