The Incomparable

46: I Like My Coffee Like My Evil Sith Lords


  the constable test number four desserts [TS]

  to 2011 [TS]

  it's that time on the uncomfortable the [TS]

  podcast that I never thought would [TS]

  happen mostly because i'm not quite sure [TS]

  that this isn't going to go on for the [TS]

  next five hours but we're gonna give it [TS]

  a shot we are going to talk finally [TS]

  about Star Wars the original star wars [TS]

  or four gigantic star wars nerds like [TS]

  John siracusa star wars episode for a [TS]

  new hope it's not as if we haven't [TS]

  talked about star wars on the [TS]

  incomparable in fact i think basically [TS]

  every episode we talk about star wars in [TS]

  some way or other but we're actually [TS]

  going to dive in we're going to talk [TS]

  about the original movie and joining me [TS]

  today to discuss it are a group of Star [TS]

  Wars aficionados I guess we we could say [TS]

  the a4 mentioned John siracusa is here [TS]

  hi John Jason dan more'n as well hello [TS]

  Dan [TS]

  thank you for having me Jason no it's [TS]

  impossible [TS]

  no that's the wrong movie Scott McNulty [TS]

  hello hello [TS]

  and Greg moss hello hello Greg [TS]

  so star wars episode for a new hope my [TS]

  favorite character is Captain Kirk [TS]

  ah I like dr. Spock there's a button we [TS]

  can press to keep people off the right [TS]

  so start working out in 1977 and the [TS]

  first thing I wanted to ask everybody [TS]

  here knowing that's that several viewer [TS]

  are quite a bit younger that I am is how [TS]

  you you first experienced star wars [TS]

  before we get into the movie itself and [TS]

  how you heard about it what your [TS]

  memories are but i think i should start [TS]

  with the elder statesman of the podcast [TS]

  by like three years but Greg moss Greg [TS]

  where were you what tell us your [TS]

  childhood star wars story my my life it [TS]

  exists in into separate dimensions one [TS]

  pre star wars and one post Star Wars it [TS]

  was the transformative experience I I [TS]

  wasn't nine years old when Star Wars was [TS]

  released and I saw at nine times during [TS]

  its initial theatrical run i was just [TS]

  totally blown away by everything in it [TS]

  was it was perfect [TS]

  in every way and i still believe that [TS]

  and I will argue it with anybody who [TS]

  wants to that it is it remains perfect [TS]

  despite its flaws [TS]

  it is the Socratic ideal of what a [TS]

  science-fiction movie should be so what [TS]

  you're saying is even its flaws are part [TS]

  of its reaction that exactly it would it [TS]

  it is perfect because of its flaws all [TS]

  right I was a six I guess when this [TS]

  movie came out and i think i did see it [TS]

  in the theater but I was I was pretty [TS]

  young and I was a big star trek fan so I [TS]

  was kind of a little offended by how how [TS]

  much attention Star Wars God but in the [TS]

  end even I broke down and learn to love [TS]

  it [TS]

  John syracuse what about you so you know [TS]

  when you try to think about things that [TS]

  happened in your childhood and like your [TS]

  memory stops at a certain point you know [TS]

  like usually most people can't remember [TS]

  anything before they could talk [TS]

  obviously all I have two things are like [TS]

  that one of them is skiing [TS]

  I can't remember ever not knowing how to [TS]

  ski it's not like walking like people [TS]

  don't remember before they could walk [TS]

  right but most people if they learn to [TS]

  ski and a child they can remember all I [TS]

  didn't know how to ski and then I went [TS]

  through a learning process and I learned [TS]

  to see I have no memory of not only had [TS]

  a ski the other one is I have no memory [TS]

  of not having seen a new hope so [TS]

  obviously I didn't see when it came out [TS]

  because I was three I when they released [TS]

  you know I was five and I really doubt [TS]

  my parents took me to see it when I was [TS]

  five but I have no memory of any time in [TS]

  my life when I did not have an [TS]

  encyclopedic knowledge of a new hope so [TS]

  i'm assuming either my parents to come [TS]

  you see it when i was 5 or I saw it on [TS]

  VHS or something i have ever maybe we [TS]

  running in the movie theater when I was [TS]

  six or 7i have no idea when I first saw [TS]

  this movie but i might as well been born [TS]

  with it inside my head [TS]

  well are you going to call it a new hope [TS]

  for throughout this entire podcast [TS]

  well I used to just called Star Wars I [TS]

  definitely would not call it episode 4 [TS]

  because the word episode has been [TS]

  tainted by things that will not be [TS]

  mentioned on this podcast let's just [TS]

  agree to call it star worse than four no [TS]

  way and you with the idea that it [TS]

  doesn't refer to any other movie at this [TS]

  BS because that was the the thing that I [TS]

  called it you know until the second [TS]

  movie came out and what everybody called [TS]

  it and the episode thing was tacked on [TS]

  later and hope it just is just good for [TS]

  disambiguation at this point is you just [TS]

  say Star Wars god knows what people are [TS]

  thinking [TS]

  ok so we're going to limit ourselves in [TS]

  this as much as possible to just the [TS]

  first movie so yeah [TS]

  this for all those out there who are [TS]

  wondering we're not going to talk about [TS]

  anything Luke's father might be for [TS]

  example [TS]

  no I isn't he yes exactly so Dan Morgan [TS]

  how about you what's your Star Wars [TS]

  memory John kinda stole my line which is [TS]

  saying that I i mean i was born in [TS]

  nineteen eighty so I shortly before the [TS]

  Empire came out and so I literally there [TS]

  i did not exist in a time when there was [TS]

  no stars my closest cousin Tim who is [TS]

  was born in 77 actually can claim to [TS]

  have seen it in utero since his pregnant [TS]

  mother saw it but I did not have that [TS]

  however i guess my my memory of its [TS]

  really tied very closely to a lot of my [TS]

  cousins because i feel like every time [TS]

  they came in visited we would watch some [TS]

  star wars movie on VHS but it's hard for [TS]

  me to pin down kind of with that sort of [TS]

  fuzziness of youth exactly when that was [TS]

  I do know that i went to see a return [TS]

  the Jedi in the theater my parents [TS]

  picked me up from preschool so i must [TS]

  have been four or five at that point and [TS]

  I I knew what was going on so I must [TS]

  have seen the first two movies prior to [TS]

  that because i was really excited i [TS]

  really wanted to go see the movie but [TS]

  yeah it for me they're really there [TS]

  really isn't a time there's there's no [TS]

  way that I can remember not having seen [TS]

  Star Wars Scott McNulty have you seen [TS]

  Star Wars i have seen Star Wars for the [TS]

  first time earlier tonight no that's not [TS]

  true [TS]

  uh-huh i living thing that pic button so [TS]

  i was born in 1977 I was three months [TS]

  old when a star wars KS came out and I [TS]

  remember taking myself to the movie [TS]

  theater and buying know my first Star [TS]

  Wars related memory is doesn't actually [TS]

  involve the movie but involves my [TS]

  brother's Millennium Falcon he had the [TS]

  Millennium Falcon toy which was awesome [TS]

  and I have a very very clear memory of [TS]

  the whatever that force or birthing that [TS]

  Luke practices with the moon fell can [TS]

  have a little one in it and for some [TS]

  reason that fascinated me as a child [TS]

  and then I think the first Star Wars [TS]

  movie that I saw in a movie theater was [TS]

  Return of the Jedi [TS]

  I don't know and I don't recall ever not [TS]

  knowing about Star Wars wow that's for [TS]

  old people like me and Greg that's um [TS]

  that's such a strange idea the idea that [TS]

  star wars was always there [TS]

  I have to think that it would be a [TS]

  little disappointing having it always [TS]

  around because you didn't get to [TS]

  discover it didn't like up here you know [TS]

  dawn but I i might argue that that as as [TS]

  as your idea Greg that star wars a [TS]

  Socratic ideal in some ways up hasn't it [TS]

  always been there [TS]

  we just didn't know it's been inside of [TS]

  us it was inside the block of marble it [TS]

  was a long time ago in a galaxy far far [TS]

  away [TS]

  you know I never had never discovered [TS]

  star trek it was aight i have that same [TS]

  feeling about that original Star Trek is [TS]

  I have no memory of not knowing about [TS]

  Star Trek and Captain Kirk mr. Spock so [TS]

  i can i can relate to that and i would [TS]

  argue that that I don't wanna know what [TS]

  it was like to live in a world that [TS]

  other artworks just makes me sad but it [TS]

  was a very sad time I look back on with [TS]

  huge fondness on seeing the movie for [TS]

  the first time I mean I remember my [TS]

  little nine-year-old brain was imprinted [TS]

  with how jazzed i was walking out of the [TS]

  theater get convinced that i was Luke [TS]

  Skywalker until like you know caught [TS]

  sight of myself in a mirror [TS]

  sad trombone and was that your nickname [TS]

  is your phone said revoke I feel the [TS]

  same way about hitchhikers when i was [TS]

  home sick one day and my mom brought [TS]

  home a book from the library and turned [TS]

  out to be hitchhiker's guide to the [TS]

  galaxy and that chop [TS]

  I thought you were gonna say your mom [TS]

  your mom brought home an attacker that [TS]

  I've always had a great fondness for the [TS]

  minute to change my life it was it was [TS]

  rector Howard next week on a very [TS]

  special episode of the incomparable good [TS]

  men my mom brought home [TS]

  got a lot of really fun memories of that [TS]

  what we have really good amount of [TS]

  course quickly here so you know but [TS]

  that's that's good i mean i think i [TS]

  think that's true that you have those [TS]

  moments there the things that you sort [TS]

  of swim in they were always there and [TS]

  then you have those kind of regulatory [TS]

  moments where you're like oh my god I [TS]

  can't believe that instructors guide to [TS]

  the galaxy is a good example although [TS]

  the thing about books is usually old [TS]

  enough you know you're old enough to [TS]

  read and read books that are complex and [TS]

  so you all those are always moments of [TS]

  discovery wear something like a TV show [TS]

  or movie you know you don't have to you [TS]

  don't have to be old at all just to [TS]

  watch it and start absorbing it and so [TS]

  so it happens before that moment where [TS]

  you you know have you your memories [TS]

  beginning so it's just always movies and [TS]

  TV are much more likely to music I [TS]

  supposed to have always been there [TS]

  that was what as I was watching star [TS]

  wars that tonight to you know prepare [TS]

  for the podcast [TS]

  ah I thought to myself because you know [TS]

  a lot of kids the movie is like the [TS]

  perfect for the perfect movie for kids [TS]

  it's very exciting but it begins [TS]

  you have to read a bunch of stuff and a [TS]

  and i imagine when it first was in the [TS]

  movie theater a lot of parents reading [TS]

  to their children with the the the [TS]

  scroll says so that they can understand [TS]

  what's going on my son who's just now [TS]

  reading he he would he would shout at me [TS]

  while we watch Star Wars read daddy read [TS]

  it is that I demand to know what is the [TS]

  only it's the only movie with subtitles [TS]

  will get your kids to watch [TS]

  I tried to get my daughter into Star [TS]

  Wars a little bit too early and I tried [TS]

  to explain to her that it was an [TS]

  exciting movie that involved the [TS]

  princess and robots and she was sorely [TS]

  disappointed but then she liked to look [TS]

  like a year later but you have to read [TS]

  first I think there is something to that [TS]

  you know not to say there there's a you [TS]

  know it's very exciting beginning but [TS]

  there's also i was thinking about the [TS]

  fact that it takes so you know so long [TS]

  to get to the arguably the protagonist [TS]

  of the story like 15 minutes 15 minutes [TS]

  in and you know that's kind of a long [TS]

  time I think it struck me how this [TS]

  compared to a modern movie in the way [TS]

  that it's structured it isn't and that I [TS]

  feel like a lot of I wonder if kids [TS]

  today or people growing up in the area [TS]

  of this like cut a second you know so [TS]

  like speedy fast-paced [TS]

  films would you know would be bored [TS]

  sitting there as this unfolds and [TS]

  graduates out to exactly a studio [TS]

  executive today being like you know [TS]

  what's all this stuff out about you know [TS]

  at the beginning was just to the kind of [TS]

  thing everything do we get to Luke [TS]

  Skywalker I think it's genius where the [TS]

  way they open with a bank because they [TS]

  know there's gonna be this downtime of [TS]

  like the guy on the farm and he's got a [TS]

  loser and he's got a boring life they [TS]

  know that's gonna be there so that the [TS]

  movie opens for the bank gigantic [TS]

  spaceship that you have never the way [TS]

  you've never seen it before in your life [TS]

  laser battles big dark guy in black [TS]

  Chokin people like it starts the way [TS]

  you're supposed to start you know then a [TS]

  lot there's a low and it comes down but [TS]

  at that point like what the hell was [TS]

  that triangle ship dark dude you know [TS]

  even better than that it helps I think [TS]

  somatically because it establishes [TS]

  Luke's place in the universe which is [TS]

  pretty much zero until the story gets [TS]

  going on compared to what we just saw [TS]

  exactly thats and then suddenly you're [TS]

  dealing with this farm boy and you know [TS]

  you can go into the Campbell hoo-ha [TS]

  about you know the journey of the hero [TS]

  and all that but you want Luke to be [TS]

  unimportant at the beginning you know [TS]

  you not only that you don't even know [TS]

  his last name until like halfway through [TS]

  the movie it's Starkiller right [TS]

  nice nice unassuming name for a farm boy [TS]

  that killed stars whatever you know not [TS]

  to go too much into the backstory but of [TS]

  course I mean I believe the earlier of [TS]

  you know there are several cut scenes [TS]

  involving you know starting with Luke [TS]

  seeing this battle in space and whatever [TS]

  it being more leaving you know you start [TS]

  out earlier with him and I think this is [TS]

  I agree I agree that I think this is a [TS]

  lot stronger as an opening as a [TS]

  structure then then sort of a more [TS]

  gradual like easing in would be but you [TS]

  know i was just watching at the end of [TS]

  the just watch the movie as well like [TS]

  Scott and at the end it happened to flip [TS]

  over to it was one of the additions that [TS]

  has like an interview with George Lucas [TS]

  afterwards like you know 10 minute thing [TS]

  they were talking about like you know [TS]

  the selling this idea as a movie in like [TS]

  cow alan ladd at fox's like I don't know [TS]

  what's going on here but i love it let's [TS]

  do it [TS]

  it's just like that struck me as as [TS]

  amusing and the like I can imagine being [TS]

  a lot to take in if you're not like you [TS]

  know seven-year-old boy who loves this [TS]

  stuff anyway [TS]

  and there were no I'm [TS]

  there was really no sci-fi movies that [TS]

  they would have been 2001 yeah this is [TS]

  really not in the same thing sci-fi [TS]

  blockbuster summer blockbuster movie [TS]

  which we take for granted today did not [TS]

  really exist until this movie was [TS]

  released so it was a tough sell and I [TS]

  you know and as the documentary say was [TS]

  that attention go there for a while one [TS]

  of the things what we're talking about [TS]

  the opening 15 minutes basically is [TS]

  based on something that Greg said it was [TS]

  Greg there's so many of you [TS]

  the the spaceship that Princess Leia [TS]

  spaceship the it's all like white walls [TS]

  super clean and I find that really [TS]

  interesting because after that you know [TS]

  super bright like very future seems like [TS]

  a very almost 60 is kind of an idea of a [TS]

  spaceship and you know then the next [TS]

  thing we know we're on Tatooine and it's [TS]

  dirty and crappy and c3po is all beat up [TS]

  and scratched and and I I was really [TS]

  struck and watching it again by that by [TS]

  that choice that we start out on this [TS]

  kind of idealistic idealized future you [TS]

  know spaceship and we're promptly kind [TS]

  of kicked out of there and sit down on [TS]

  this planet where you know with with [TS]

  sand people and stuff you get you could [TS]

  almost take it as a knock against [TS]

  something like Star Trek or don't have [TS]

  someone that have that very sterile [TS]

  environment i love that's one of my [TS]

  favorite things [TS]

  the thing that that made this universe [TS]

  resonate for me so much more than Star [TS]

  Trek really ever has is that it's a [TS]

  universe that feels lived-in it feels [TS]

  used it's dirty it's not clean look at [TS]

  the Jawa sandcrawler there's crap [TS]

  everywhere there's wiring that's exposed [TS]

  it's clearly been cobbled together I [TS]

  mean something about that feels like [TS]

  very homey into me maybe because I have [TS]

  all these wires lying around my office [TS]

  for and a Jawa even on the 10 24 like [TS]

  even though we saw the white walls and [TS]

  everything it's two seconds when you're [TS]

  away from that scene when the layers [TS]

  like you know hiding the data tapes and [TS]

  reinvention like the engine room you [TS]

  know it's like more now it's dark and [TS]

  looks like it's more like a working type [TS]

  thing and the escape pod looks like a [TS]

  big mess of you know pipes and tubes it [TS]

  does not look like a sleek silver [TS]

  capsule you know so you know that's like [TS]

  the [TS]

  normal area of that ship and its [TS]

  color-coded white so you know that [TS]

  they're the good guys you know unlike [TS]

  the bad guys ship is all have black [TS]

  floors and gray ceilings and everything [TS]

  as soon as you get out off the main [TS]

  hallway even on the good guys ship it [TS]

  looks like you know a bunch of machinery [TS]

  and automatically it it continues i mean [TS]

  the there are the rich people and [TS]

  they're the bad guys and they're the [TS]

  only ones who are clean other [TS]

  technologies new their technology is [TS]

  polished you know and everybody else is [TS]

  making do with what they can because the [TS]

  Empire has crushed everybody they've [TS]

  really cornered the market on blinking [TS]

  lights around those little black boxes [TS]

  with wheels that roll around on their [TS]

  own man i want one of those when I was a [TS]

  kid that was that was like my favorite [TS]

  thing was the little boxes that one [TS]

  around like I want to romance reveals [TS]

  mankind's if around the droid sound and [TS]

  we re watching this I realized how [TS]

  useless most of the droids are I cannot [TS]

  understand any of them do they just walk [TS]

  around aimlessly and they're lost their [TS]

  could phase it but it's all dried as a [TS]

  clear purpose in case anyone remember [TS]

  all of your protocol needs r2 unit is a [TS]

  is a Swiss Army knife of we really why [TS]

  don't they just replace them all with r2 [TS]

  unit seems like those guys are the best [TS]

  because then who would translate for [TS]

  them because always speak is beep boop [TS]

  you think that just because you have to [TS]

  look at your x-wing screen understanding [TS]

  it is it is the only flaw in the r2 [TS]

  design would anyone need to talk to [TS]

  these and just make a beep yeah I can't [TS]

  we could actually fit the voice unit [TS]

  into there is just so crammed full of [TS]

  like welding tools we have to leave a [TS]

  space so someone can cram data tapes in [TS]

  here every universe needs its comic [TS]

  relief and it's a I feet British comic [TS]

  relief yeah that's what I was gonna say [TS]

  i I've heard people refer to c-3po is [TS]

  sort of this effeminate effeminate gay [TS]

  robot my thought no he's just English [TS]

  that's a legit the word you're looking [TS]

  for is prissy yeah no he's just english [TS]

  is an English robot don't you understand [TS]

  what would a gay robot involved [TS]

  I wonder who built c-3po laughs we'll [TS]

  never get the incident now that's he's [TS]

  was manufactured sure that there's [TS]

  vertical thousands of others like him [TS]

  alright would anyone build a protocol [TS]

  enjoyed themselves like in their garage [TS]

  or something in fact when we first see [TS]

  him there's another one just like him [TS]

  with a slightly different decks silvery [TS]

  Sheen right behind him and of course he [TS]

  has the mismatch leg too [TS]

  wow that's good knowledge so we meet [TS]

  Princess Leia very briefly and she [TS]

  recorded the famous hologram that help [TS]

  me obi-wan Kenobi you're my only hope [TS]

  and we see that's a nice touch that we [TS]

  see her recording it from afar c-3po [TS]

  sees her recording it and then later we [TS]

  we get the playback but you know Carrie [TS]

  Fisher interesting hairstyle she has it [TS]

  i had to bring it up its alien it is [TS]

  nanak it is it looks delicious [TS]

  I guess in a minivan will see is [TS]

  interesting it's dumb [TS]

  it's your brother she had forehead [TS]

  makeup mr. star trek I would in fact you [TS]

  know in in the seventies I could think [TS]

  of worse hairstyles to have and in and [TS]

  movie made in the late seventies exactly [TS]

  couldn't like Farrah Fawcett feathered [TS]

  enough Saturn to have would have been [TS]

  weird to you when you watch this movie [TS]

  do you get any sense of you know the [TS]

  seventies correct encroaching in or does [TS]

  it feel a little more time less than [TS]

  that [TS]

  almost none like maybe Luke's hair but [TS]

  almost none of the seventies is any [TS]

  right argue that the the filmmaking of [TS]

  it feels like the seventies to me [TS]

  I mean I guess there's lots of parts of [TS]

  it would feel what I feel like a [TS]

  throwback to earlier times though you [TS]

  know that the wipes and stuff like that [TS]

  that Lucas uses that are clearly [TS]

  revoking you know the serials from like [TS]

  the thirties but there's a couple it's [TS]

  just struck me in early on that there's [TS]

  a couple things in there that are a [TS]

  little feel a little off-kilter for for [TS]

  example the scene where r 2 is working [TS]

  his way through the canyon we get a [TS]

  couple POV shots from the job was point [TS]

  of view and they're very unsteady like [TS]

  you know like their film like with a [TS]

  handheld or something like that and that [TS]

  to me almost seems like it seems a [TS]

  little rough and a little edgy or [TS]

  something that might be more like [TS]

  seventies I feel like camera angles [TS]

  these days are very often very you know [TS]

  cut-and-dried in terms of what they [TS]

  attempt to do but isn't isn't that [TS]

  invoking the fact that you're being [TS]

  looking at him rather than absolutely i [TS]

  just don't think that I don't think that [TS]

  modern filmmaking would do that I feel [TS]

  like that was something that I mean [TS]

  Lucas you know obviously he was a film [TS]

  student he was exposed to a lot of these [TS]

  other you know sort of on guard stuff [TS]

  and stuff that was going on in the [TS]

  seventies I just feel like I mean I'm [TS]

  not criticizing it i think i think it's [TS]

  good i better not be easy [TS]

  ok i just think i just think it's it's [TS]

  sort of indicative of it as a seventies [TS]

  film in the way that it was body like it [TS]

  doesn't feel like the seventies at all [TS]

  to me [TS]

  I mean it I realize I'm totally over the [TS]

  hedge on this but it feels just as [TS]

  modern today it could be released today [TS]

  with some of the hairstyle exceptions [TS]

  and everything would look in you some of [TS]

  the set of special-effects I'm glad they [TS]

  go but don't ever go back and correct [TS]

  that yes that's good but it did [TS]

  everything about it feels totally [TS]

  timeless when you get especially when [TS]

  compared to even like THX which feels [TS]

  really really seventies to me you've [TS]

  actually seen THX yes why haven't you [TS]

  know why would I it sounds terrible but [TS]

  I'm holding out for the sequel THX 1 39 [TS]

  39 yeah I've reinforced to 1137 of them [TS]

  so I'm start with THX one so when we're [TS]

  on Tatooine moving ahead sort of [TS]

  chronologically here talking about the [TS]

  Jawas and they're spying are our little [TS]

  droid friends and and and then we meet [TS]

  Luke Skywalker our hero along with his [TS]

  aunt and uncle Owen and Beru that's 15 [TS]

  minutes in we have semantic you an [TS]

  interesting an interesting setting and [TS]

  the thing that I remember most actually [TS]

  from when I was a kid is that scene of [TS]

  Luke watching the two sons set over [TS]

  tattooing III that was burned into my [TS]

  brain when I was six years old when i [TS]

  watch that movie more than anything else [TS]

  just so so striking a scene to make you [TS]

  realize what you're watching that they [TS]

  were on an alien planet and I got a note [TS]

  about that is that like I know they do [TS]

  location shooting for modern movies and [TS]

  it's the but when they show that scene [TS]

  there like you [TS]

  you tell that they're there in Tunisia [TS]

  and the sun is actually setting right [TS]

  and if you like today if they were doing [TS]

  that scene either would be you know I [TS]

  can Vancouver or LA or something or they [TS]

  would just do it on blue-screen and have [TS]

  like they do that this guy in the sun's [TS]

  with CG because it's like more dramatic [TS]

  and I can draw whatever they want but [TS]

  for the scene they had to get look out [TS]

  there during sunset in Tunisia and [TS]

  haven't stand there and shoot him and it [TS]

  was a little bit windy and it just it [TS]

  works how much better than I can go [TS]

  ahead and that's so much better as well [TS]

  if you were still in modern techniques [TS]

  and I know for the movies that we won't [TS]

  mention they were actually in Tunisia [TS]

  for them too but it's just something [TS]

  about modern filmmaking but they don't [TS]

  wanna they don't want to take the time [TS]

  to get that shot or they would be [TS]

  annoyed that shop is it was too much [TS]

  wind looks hair was going into space or [TS]

  something that you know or if your GI [TS]

  they don't overdo it [TS]

  yeah they you know they do the cg sons [TS]

  we could they just took two sons and [TS]

  overlaid an optically and both of them [TS]

  look like the Sun and it's not you know [TS]

  there's not a lens flare is not rings [TS]

  around the Sun with a meteor shooting [TS]

  through the corner you know anything [TS]

  yeah they have have a big you know moon [TS]

  up there with a ring around it kind of [TS]

  hanging in the corner just say we're [TS]

  cool [TS]

  I i think that touches upon something [TS]

  that makes this such a great film and [TS]

  again you know part of this was it [TS]

  constraints freed creativity you know [TS]

  they only had a certain number of [TS]

  techniques to work with and they were [TS]

  busy inventing like pretty much every [TS]

  sort of technique they could think of [TS]

  but everything in this film seems much [TS]

  more real to me than almost any other [TS]

  film i feel like i've seen and it's just [TS]

  because you know some of those things [TS]

  are there real you can tell that it's a [TS]

  tangible object even if the sandcrawler [TS]

  is like a scale model it's a real thing [TS]

  right [TS]

  it's an object they were artists working [TS]

  on that painting these little details [TS]

  you know and it feels real as a result [TS]

  of that in a way that that as advanced [TS]

  as it's gotten you know computer [TS]

  graphics never feel like they always [TS]

  seem alien to me they always seem just a [TS]

  little bit out of place [TS]

  I mean whether that's just the way the [TS]

  light hits it or something you know I [TS]

  think that there's just something that [TS]

  hasn't been a they have been able to [TS]

  duplicate and so the thing that strikes [TS]

  me you know and in the way that I think [TS]

  greg was saying that this is sort of [TS]

  timeless is that it doesn't it's amazing [TS]

  to me how dated it does not feel given [TS]

  you know given its age and I think it a [TS]

  lot of that can be chalked up to the [TS]

  fact that these emphasis on these these [TS]

  real effects things like optical effects [TS]

  or model building or stuff like the [TS]

  costuming all that stuff some of the [TS]

  matte paintings weren't great they're [TS]

  like most likely spaceport and now when [TS]

  I see matte paintings nowadays it takes [TS]

  a really good matte painting to not make [TS]

  me go out like this in that painting [TS]

  because every now they just used for [TS]

  backgrounds but this is one of the [TS]

  things on watching this in the modern [TS]

  era especially if you're watching and [TS]

  the one that wasn't even cleaned up the [TS]

  original run of this head effects that [TS]

  now we looked at we like we'd be like [TS]

  jeez guys aren't afraid about the mat [TS]

  lines i mean the mat lines were just [TS]

  really bad but even just stuff like the [TS]

  the you know that paintings on glass [TS]

  they look fine but they look like [TS]

  paintings on glass and I I would never [TS]

  trade them for I mean there's definitely [TS]

  there are definitely rough edges i mean [TS]

  the one that always strikes me going [TS]

  back and watching star wars as opposed [TS]

  to empire and Jedi is Vader is somewhat [TS]

  is a little bit less imposing to me in [TS]

  this one and a couple that's a [TS]

  combination with a couple of x1 you can [TS]

  kind of see through the eyes and the [TS]

  master i feels like you lose something [TS]

  and two they don't do nearly as good a [TS]

  job either with james earl jones voice [TS]

  or sinking it up with what the what [TS]

  David Rosen doing it the audio looping [TS]

  in general is not great at anything I [TS]

  always notice in Darth Vader especially [TS]

  early on is I guess the peaks really [TS]

  fast he speaks really fast like they [TS]

  have a mistimed it or they change the [TS]

  dialogue and then they gave it to James [TS]

  Earl Jones misses really i need to read [TS]

  all of this right there and so you know [TS]

  I took her away to take her [TS]

  oh you're part of the lines of the table [TS]

  take away hey that's a run-on sentence [TS]

  yeah it doesn't it already baby there'll [TS]

  be no one to stop us this time he's got [TS]

  a boss to that I think the other thing [TS]

  is he's got a boss right Tarkin target [TS]

  is in charge of Darth Vader which you [TS]

  know later [TS]

  Darth Vader's the guy right there's the [TS]

  Emperor and their stars Vader but Miss [TS]

  it's like Peter Cushing is like Vader [TS]

  enough like really the plot reason for [TS]

  that you know yes I know but still it's [TS]

  it's almost people go away the second [TS]

  movie he's got a he's got a boss so it's [TS]

  just it sees a lot less imposing when [TS]

  there's like a general who's in charge [TS]

  of him i think that works better [TS]

  I [TS]

  minutes it it's a progression for [TS]

  innovators well you'd better get in his [TS]

  own ship and flies you haven't seen [TS]

  singing that level in later movies but [TS]

  that's what happens when all your bosses [TS]

  explode [TS]

  he's got a chauffeur and later movies [TS]

  supposed to send commander Riker to do [TS]

  all that stuff right so can we can we [TS]

  get a shout-out for peter cushing who I [TS]

  think is one of the one of the two [TS]

  performances in this that I think really [TS]

  really elevate is great with him in a [TS]

  lacuna sorry-assed they just bring a [TS]

  class to this like because i was gonna [TS]

  say Kenny Baker Eddy's great time we're [TS]

  not being around the guy who plays wedge [TS]

  Denis Lawson Ewan McGregor's we're [TS]

  actually ok anyways but I was gonna say [TS]

  both peter cushing analogous are so [TS]

  they're such professionals you know you [TS]

  can tell and like guinness famously did [TS]

  not really like making star wars but you [TS]

  can't tell that from his performance [TS]

  because he's such a professional is like [TS]

  you know I don't understand what the [TS]

  hell's going on here I don't want the [TS]

  lines are they sound like ridiculous but [TS]

  you know what I'm going to this i was [TS]

  paid to do this is my job i'm going to [TS]

  do the best damn job I can he does not [TS]

  sleepwalk through this he delivers a [TS]

  fantastic performance holy love Kenobi [TS]

  will be left [TS]

  now that's a name I've not heard in a [TS]

  long long time [TS]

  I think my uncle knows he said he was [TS]

  dead [TS]

  no he's not dead yet [TS]

  you know of course i know it is me when [TS]

  I haven't come by the name will be when [TS]

  in school with all you look pushing [TS]

  likewise was no no stranger to hockey [TS]

  you know horror movies and science [TS]

  fiction movies but also is just great [TS]

  and like menacing and and you know again [TS]

  you can't I don't think you can poke a [TS]

  hole in either of those performances [TS]

  well it helps that they're playing next [TS]

  two amateurs and makes them look even [TS]

  better right because at this point [TS]

  Carrie Fisher really doesn't know what [TS]

  she's doing her accent comes and goes [TS]

  and she changes her mind from seen Luke [TS]

  you know I mean it's not bad but he's [TS]

  not there cal but these are two young [TS]

  actors we're playing opposite these guys [TS]

  who could who could do this in their [TS]

  sleep and don't you know so it by [TS]

  comparison they stand out in this movie [TS]

  princess lianna before your execution i [TS]

  would like you to be my guest at a [TS]

  ceremony that will make this battle [TS]

  station operational [TS]

  no star system will be opposed the input [TS]

  on now [TS]

  the more you tighten your grip talk the [TS]

  more star systems will slip through your [TS]

  fingers [TS]

  not after we demonstrate the power of [TS]

  this dish in a way you have the term in [TS]

  the choice of the planet will be [TS]

  destroyed first since you are reluctant [TS]

  to provide us with the location of the [TS]

  rebel base I have chosen to test this [TS]

  stations destructive power on your home [TS]

  planet of Alderaan I know this piece but [TS]

  we have no weapons you can work without [TS]

  another target of visibility target then [TS]

  name the system all that said I will I [TS]

  will defend to the death to our Eunice [TS]

  you know just fantastic actor no matter [TS]

  what you put in [TS]

  oh ya know this and it is it is a good [TS]

  performance remember there are in [TS]

  watching it back there are a few moments [TS]

  where I i could sort of sense that he's [TS]

  like really stuff [TS]

  ok I'll just I'll just say it but in [TS]

  general it's a great performance and I [TS]

  know that Alec Guinness later you know [TS]

  at the end of his life was really tired [TS]

  of talking about Star Wars and didn't [TS]

  feel like it was you know really worth [TS]

  talking about compared to some of the [TS]

  other things that he did but he [TS]

  certainly brought credibility to this [TS]

  movie in a way that you know if the if [TS]

  he and pushing weren't in it I think [TS]

  you're right Dan you know think he just [TS]

  has a lot of weight he has a lot of [TS]

  gravitas to the to the movie and you [TS]

  have to take it more seriously than you [TS]

  might otherwise take it [TS]

  yeah otherwise it would be just a bunch [TS]

  of kids yeah i mean like he was so good [TS]

  he was one of the things that like entry [TS]

  you know intrigue me to go watch him and [TS]

  other things you know that's not [TS]

  necessarily the case for Mark Hamill [TS]

  that didn't happen with Marc and Jesse [TS]

  coordinate summer a Corvette summer is a [TS]

  great movie but hey i have i have some [TS]

  my incomparable trivia related to a [TS]

  lagunas when i bought the domain of the [TS]

  original intent was going to be for a [TS]

  little web game originally called the [TS]

  incomparable sean bean and they would [TS]

  search you would search google for [TS]

  actors names that had been labeled [TS]

  incomparable and whoever got the highest [TS]

  would win that particular round and we [TS]

  keep a running list of the incomparable [TS]

  whomever and Alec Guinness had the [TS]

  highest rating of anybody we could find [TS]

  when we're doing that and that's because [TS]

  it is impossible to compare him [TS]

  yes so that the reason the reason that [TS]

  this that we have the domain being comp [TS]

  bullies is in part because of a lagunas [TS]

  because he is the definition of [TS]

  uncomfortable on so long i'm captain the [TS]

  millennium fawlcon [TS]

  Chewie here tells me you're looking for [TS]

  passage to the Alderaan system is indeed [TS]

  if it's a fast ship fast ship you've [TS]

  never heard of the Millennium problem [TS]

  should i have it's the ship that made [TS]

  the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs [TS]

  so people complained a lot about the the [TS]

  the 12 parsecs thing I always the one [TS]

  and there are plenty of you know later [TS]

  explanations which i won't go into [TS]

  somewhat of a huge yard but my favorite [TS]

  you know simple explanation is I just [TS]

  always took that seen as as as Han [TS]

  trying to snow i'm a bit and if you [TS]

  watch the Guinness his expression after [TS]

  he says that is just this perfect like [TS]

  it narrows his eyes he looks at him you [TS]

  look like uh huh yeah whatever and I [TS]

  just I always loved that little it's a [TS]

  little moment it's a little moment that [TS]

  makes you think like oh maybe maybe [TS]

  solos just trying to like screw it up a [TS]

  bit to see how much they actually know [TS]

  like whether they he can take him for a [TS]

  ride or whatever and and you know [TS]

  obi-wan's being like now I know what [TS]

  you're talking about [TS]

  he confirms that right afterwards but [TS]

  these guys must really be desperate [TS]

  right that's it that's going over there [TS]

  I think that's one of my favorite things [TS]

  in the entire movie is that when they [TS]

  leave in hunts now we're left with Han [TS]

  Solo we don't follow that we stay with [TS]

  han Solo and he's like wow those guys [TS]

  you totally just print you realize this [TS]

  guy is a rogue and that felt very modern [TS]

  to me also [TS]

  that's that's the kind of scene where [TS]

  you know we're not just dealing with the [TS]

  text that the subtext is there it you [TS]

  know they they're making it clear to the [TS]

  audience that this guy is a is a kind of [TS]

  a con man or a scoundrel [TS]

  seventeen thousand those guys was really [TS]

  be desperate [TS]

  this can really save my neck get back to [TS]

  the ship already you know cuz he can we [TS]

  meet hot solo he's like who it is a [TS]

  smuggler we these units we've already [TS]

  seen several people be dismembered in [TS]

  this bar who knows what will be next and [TS]

  that shows him as a vulnerable person [TS]

  too because I mean he has he he's all [TS]

  bluster and confidence when he's talking [TS]

  to them and of course he's got the whole [TS]

  thing with Guido but when he's just [TS]

  talking to Chewie he's just you know [TS]

  he's like me and you he's got it [TS]

  concerns and Morgan is desperate right [TS]

  and that's basically i mean later movie [TS]

  they'll develop his character more in [TS]

  that regard but if he was just the [TS]

  cowboy was just i'm han Solo and I'm a [TS]

  big macho guy that's not his character [TS]

  at all it's it's the two halves and even [TS]

  in the very first movie and it's very [TS]

  first scenes they established that you [TS]

  can tell a nerd because if they come out [TS]

  of Star Wars complaining that a parsec [TS]

  is it is a measure of distance and not a [TS]

  measure of time it's like they came out [TS]

  of this star trek reboot saying a giant [TS]

  red reptile wouldn't evolve on an ice [TS]

  planet that it will they come out with [TS]

  that complaint of the first thing on [TS]

  their lips then then you know you are [TS]

  among profound and deep nerds and if [TS]

  they're super nerds they will tell you [TS]

  that it's because the castle system is [TS]

  full of black holes and therefore you [TS]

  try to turn the shower the shortest [TS]

  route through it all that's red car and [TS]

  could be an astronaut you have to charge [TS]

  the shortest distance through as many [TS]

  many explanations that involve [TS]

  rationalize I just like i like i like [TS]

  the con man and when in reality is just [TS]

  the George Lucas doesn't know what he's [TS]

  talking about this time let's stick with [TS]

  the conman angle that's my favorite [TS]

  spice mines of Kessel right yeah yeah [TS]

  they're too casual restaurants on the [TS]

  movie [TS]

  yeah I hope they have sandworms on [TS]

  Castle that would be good [TS]

  they've gotten interested to sell our [TS]

  flight but the biggest commodity for [TS]

  trade is the spices just like it was on [TS]

  earth in the 15th century [TS]

  yes or in dune I'm telling you no [TS]

  special spice the different kinds but [TS]

  she was the one that didn't get to be in [TS]

  the group anymore huh scary spice and i [TS]

  realize i miss the next generation [TS]

  podcast but my favorite piece about the [TS]

  about three hours back story was that [TS]

  her like planet was known for its rape [TS]

  gangs yes that that was their major [TS]

  export was rape gangs yeah [TS]

  the entire planet following that they're [TS]

  really good [TS]

  who's buying it there was a severe trade [TS]

  deficit going until she hears planet so [TS]

  we talked about about Han Solo hey you [TS]

  know the this is where we have the [TS]

  classic cantina scene you know that was [TS]

  that was so i remember when i was young [TS]

  i remember there being a buzz about that [TS]

  scene amongst the adults are like the [TS]

  media or whatever that the cantina scene [TS]

  was like the that you know the highlight [TS]

  of this movie I guess it's because you [TS]

  know the adults were like wow look at [TS]

  all these crazy aliens but i don't [TS]

  remember being that impressed with it as [TS]

  a child and it certainly hasn't grown in [TS]

  stature it's a bunch of guys with masks [TS]

  on and I mean it works fine in the movie [TS]

  does what it's supposed to do but it was [TS]

  not as not a special effects [TS]

  tour-de-force it was not particularly [TS]

  you know important to the plot that they [TS]

  were always there [TS]

  that's just the setting for seams [TS]

  between the characters as a as a small [TS]

  child I will tell you what impressed me [TS]

  most about that scene the bloody arm [TS]

  oh yeah yeah that's just the action [TS]

  happening out it was also a gold mine [TS]

  for licensing I i think i had a [TS]

  hammerhead and that of course what was [TS]

  we all know that keep that kept George [TS]

  Lucas in business [TS]

  that's the wrong arm on the Florida of [TS]

  course and of course otherwise they [TS]

  would probably cauterize the wound [TS]

  Oh nerdiness I don't know that [TS]

  Mythbusters has to do that because I [TS]

  think the it would not cauterize it will [TS]

  spend enough time in contact with the [TS]

  parts that has to colorize doesn't [TS]

  because hand isn't bleeding and like a [TS]

  later movie when these things happen [TS]

  asleep discovering also swings the [TS]

  lightsaber much faster in the cantina [TS]

  its alien blood whatever little they cut [TS]

  off the arm of the guy who speaks the [TS]

  who doesn't speak the language and not [TS]

  his friend who says we're wanted men [TS]

  incidentally that is the best skit in [TS]

  the robot chicken star what is anybody [TS]

  that it about what the two of them are [TS]

  actually doing at the bar jeep onda I [TS]

  just don't see how you can keep [TS]

  designing with no drawing arm or work or [TS]

  oral [TS]

  I'm sorry but we have to let you go [TS]

  and i recommend highly both of those [TS]

  robot chicken star wars episodes [TS]

  although it does it does is their third [TS]

  yes [TS]

  oh man okay well I'm gonna go down like [TS]

  that that it has completely changed how [TS]

  I view star wars now because honestly I [TS]

  can't watch the scene where we're wanted [TS]

  men and the guy gets his arm cut off [TS]

  without thinking of the poor architect [TS]

  who drawing with his life I could still [TS]

  draw with my left [TS]

  it's just I can't not if you think about [TS]

  it i can't think of a little mouse [TS]

  that's driving the little black robot [TS]

  box on the floor and get scared when [TS]

  Chewbacca else Adam I can't stop [TS]

  thinking of all the jokes because those [TS]

  are made by people who've seen the movie [TS]

  you know fifty or a hundred times just [TS]

  like all of us except and i'm sure you [TS]

  guys do as you know as I do like I had [TS]

  you know my good friend Evan who I was [TS]

  like Star Wars fanatics with me and we [TS]

  will watch these movies like weekend we [TS]

  got used to do Star Wars trivia on AOL [TS]

  that metal datos but nobody else would [TS]

  and it was just you know of course you [TS]

  develop you see it so many times you [TS]

  develop all these little in jokes and [TS]

  you know lines about about the [TS]

  ridiculous things going on in these [TS]

  movies in the back stories of these tiny [TS]

  little characters it's all I mean the [TS]

  funny thing about this movie and most [TS]

  these movies especially this movie file [TS]

  other than the cantina scene [TS]

  are there any aliens any warehouse it's [TS]

  all chewy chips are all aliens Jason on [TS]

  the morrow yeah and I ok long time ago [TS]

  but to say they kind of blew their whole [TS]

  costuming budget on that onesie [TS]

  yeah there's the job was early on and [TS]

  the and cheerleaders very little [TS]

  it's imagine a young will be on that [TS]

  guy's masks but only in a bar i believe [TS]

  the Federation is a homo sapien club [TS]

  there's also i'm sorry wrong wrong but [TS]

  also they walk into the bar and they get [TS]

  we get instant racism right from serve [TS]

  your kind here kind welcome here [TS]

  I like they have a robot detector but [TS]

  why would droids go to bars i don't [TS]

  understand different oil is like bender [TS]

  on futurama their power by cool they [TS]

  have to they have to you know sold their [TS]

  masters drinks for them also we learned [TS]

  that the correct way to I'm order a [TS]

  drink at a bar is to read [TS]

  Josh the bartender of different [TS]

  especially you that's right that's what [TS]

  I try to gently actually I do one of the [TS]

  things i noticed this time because i was [TS]

  a little watching my laser disc version [TS]

  i had the volume turned up whatever he [TS]

  does bumble what can I have one of those [TS]

  but it's really quiet [TS]

  hey mister mister i like that because [TS]

  he's it's the first time he's been in a [TS]

  bar he doesn't know what the protocol is [TS]

  you gotta water blue milk if he had his [TS]

  protocol droid with him [TS]

  yes exactly both know dammit that's what [TS]

  he would have been useful it's so sad [TS]

  and then so then at the end of the scene [TS]

  han Solo is confronted to defy Greedo [TS]

  what greater was like as a kid anyway it [TS]

  so we can talk about it now other than [TS]

  to say that one of the things we learned [TS]

  about Han Solo is that into in addition [TS]

  to being a roegan kind of desperate he [TS]

  is willing when threatened by Greedo to [TS]

  shoot grito before Greedo shoots him [TS]

  right little cowboy western kind of [TS]

  scene exactly it's a few on he unblocked [TS]

  unbuttons his his holster in fact under [TS]

  the table it's such a really behavior [TS]

  that makes sense and it shows that he's [TS]

  not tied to an honor system where he's [TS]

  not like a white knight he's not going [TS]

  to say i wanna honorably do you know it [TS]

  will show you under the table [TS]

  yeah although he will pay for the mess [TS]

  and then then I on returns to the the [TS]

  Millennium Falcon and I believe there [TS]

  was a scene there that got cut out so [TS]

  that's where there was a scene there [TS]

  where they were going to put in jabba [TS]

  the hutt but they decided not to and so [TS]

  we sure that seems most intimidating [TS]

  that Irish guy playing yeah I'm sure [TS]

  surely we can just leave that seen [TS]

  Sydney Greenstreet as Jabba the Hutt [TS]

  speaking of cutting out scenes I want to [TS]

  get this before when you're talking [TS]

  about the seventies influence one part [TS]

  where I see the seventies is in the it [TS]

  not the fact that we're on on you know [TS]

  that this planet with this farm boy for [TS]

  a while but the pacing of that section [TS]

  is very 77 tease they were not in a [TS]

  hurry so it seems like you spent a [TS]

  really long time just kind of wandering [TS]

  through is a farm boys going into town [TS]

  has been nobody won the side thing with [TS]

  the job was it just takes its time like [TS]

  they're not enough [TS]

  re and that's very much like a lot of [TS]

  seventies movies where they were like [TS]

  action-packed when you saw them but if [TS]

  you go back and watch them like go back [TS]

  and watch mean streets or something [TS]

  you're like boy they you know they were [TS]

  not in a hurry to get to the next scene [TS]

  where that right well that's the whole [TS]

  generation of directors [TS]

  I I dancing is very very very fast at [TS]

  other points that this one thing struck [TS]

  me watching it all yet picks up that it [TS]

  picks up to it by the end of the movie [TS]

  and just got you if you're instantly [TS]

  fast [TS]

  yeah that's amazing having a movie [TS]

  that's not going 90 miles an hour from [TS]

  the opening scene [TS]

  yeah you know that's that's what people [TS]

  like about the seventies movies you know [TS]

  that that style facing something that [TS]

  reminds me of the seventies that they [TS]

  did right you know movies back then just [TS]

  did it wasn't like this was a leisurely [TS]

  pace this was par for the course you [TS]

  know if anything this movie was [TS]

  different in the it cranked up the speed [TS]

  at the end and sort of you know you have [TS]

  brought on the whole idea of like a look [TS]

  at me crank up the speed and intensity [TS]

  you know people like that so let's just [TS]

  do a whole movie like that and that of [TS]

  course doesn't work but that was sort of [TS]

  the outcome of this it helps the [TS]

  structure a little bit i think this is [TS]

  in many ways at you know it is act one [TS]

  of a story and it kind of doesn't have [TS]

  an end and we'll get to the ending but [TS]

  that is working for it in some ways to [TS]

  that it's going to lay out the world and [TS]

  introduce all the characters and then [TS]

  the action starts but I mean we were [TS]

  about to get as we walk through the plot [TS]

  here get on the millennium falcon for [TS]

  the first time [TS]

  yeah and for we've been talking for [TS]

  quite a while now but there's a lot that [TS]

  happens and it does take its time to get [TS]

  there before we get on the on the ship [TS]

  and and you know i'm i'm i'm aight lobby [TS]

  for I was thinking about this earlier [TS]

  you mentioned about favorite characters [TS]

  and I feel like it's hard to it's hard [TS]

  to pick a favorite character but i might [TS]

  actually lobby for the Millennium Falcon [TS]

  is my favorite character nerd [TS]

  wow it's a man who did not want a [TS]

  millennium fawlcon wanted to notice only [TS]

  characterized through a han because of [TS]

  Han wasn't on it is not as if the thing [TS]

  has a computer voice like it or you know [TS]

  it's missing characters really isn't for [TS]

  that's what i want to see I want to see [TS]

  ability Williams and michael william [TS]

  daniel daniels in night falken that's [TS]

  what i want to say anything and I would [TS]

  watch that ship lads at turbo boost [TS]

  their coming out [TS]

  driving you know I I think I'm my other [TS]

  I mean you know the argument make and I [TS]

  think this is a larger point was i think [TS]

  there's something really impressive [TS]

  about the number of characters of the [TS]

  don't talk intelligently in this movie [TS]

  and yet how much those characters convey [TS]

  and in particular I mean our to [TS]

  obviously but also to Ibaka who I think [TS]

  is a is a he's legitimately i think one [TS]

  of my favorite characters [TS]

  regardless of the fact that he does not [TS]

  speak any intelligible words in three [TS]

  movies and that's because you still get [TS]

  an idea of who he is you know you still [TS]

  get an idea of his character later on [TS]

  you know you see it being like that [TS]

  despite the fact being this big [TS]

  tough-looking guy and he's very scary at [TS]

  times he still freaks out the thing in [TS]

  the garbage compactor right like you [TS]

  know I think there's there's enough [TS]

  going on there that I i really like him [TS]

  to care and he doesn't get subtitle just [TS]

  like r2d2 doesn't get subtitled which is [TS]

  something which is actually move I mean [TS]

  like that's that [TS]

  yeah i think i like you would have a [TS]

  hard time selling that today [TS]

  well that's how you get them to say [TS]

  things that you couldn't stay in a [TS]

  pg-rated movie because you know what [TS]

  that you can imagine what they're saying [TS]

  based on the people's reaction to them [TS]

  and basically get all that both of them [TS]

  are free to say horrible things and [TS]

  essentially curse without have I want to [TS]

  actually do so I don't think r2d2 would [TS]

  curse all you have that that's what that [TS]

  really low [TS]

  I sound is trusting so that lets we were [TS]

  up to the water up to the mass murder [TS]

  now [TS]

  basketball is a peaceful planet we have [TS]

  no weapons seriously now we have danced [TS]

  on the whole planet is like this one [TS]

  it's locked in a box i didn't we use [TS]

  butter knives to cut our meat that's [TS]

  right the so Alderaan I don't know if [TS]

  anybody has anything to say here i think [TS]

  this is one of those interesting [TS]

  interesting parts of the movie where [TS]

  where we get a little demonstration of [TS]

  the Death Star and and they decide hey [TS]

  will blow up a planet there's a there's [TS]

  a great piece out there on the internet [TS]

  on a blog called overthinking it where [TS]

  they talk about the economy of of the [TS]

  Empire i believe and they talk about i [TS]

  think that's what I think it's not [TS]

  overthinking and they talk about this is [TS]

  how much how much economic impact you [TS]

  have on the Empire if you destroy [TS]

  presumably what's a fairly high level [TS]

  industrial planet and where [TS]

  it was cost-effective to destroy [TS]

  Alderaan entire I mean they destroyed [TS]

  the planet that that's major export was [TS]

  peace and thus descended into civil war [TS]

  but they kept the rape gang Quinn that [TS]

  overthinking thing didn't just [TS]

  overthinking it but I mean it over [TS]

  played the opposing view because as the [TS]

  overthinking it peace eventually got to [TS]

  it's it's it's terrorism it's just as an [TS]

  example of its cementing your power [TS]

  through fear and economic impact of it [TS]

  pales compared I mean they say that [TS]

  yeah here will keep the systems in line [TS]

  yeah right exactly was that like this [TS]

  but i want to have got the piece is [TS]

  really funny and trying to try to put in [TS]

  a context but it's absolutely it is is [TS]

  we don't need the Senate really we just [TS]

  need them to realize that if they ever [TS]

  oppose us we will just blow up the [TS]

  planet at all the way that scene is also [TS]

  notable for the the appearance and [TS]

  disappearance of layers inexplicable [TS]

  accent her English it is it because [TS]

  English its I really any English very [TS]

  early on and i totally you know what I [TS]

  think that totally escaped me on almost [TS]

  every other prior viewing but this time [TS]

  for some reason when she first comes in [TS]

  on the you know the first scene with her [TS]

  entire log I was like she using a [TS]

  british accent and there's like [TS]

  Madonna's British accent it's not a real [TS]

  British she's speaking in the [TS]

  ambassadorial yes she's a freakin sense [TS]

  and she's speaking in the vernacular of [TS]

  diplomacy you know using a particular [TS]

  accent and then that goes away when she [TS]

  becomes a rebel yeah but IDK doing so [TS]

  can you explain the French accent yeah [TS]

  oh yes I else and you a good attacking [TS]

  IM supplies anything you want because [TS]

  and never underestimate the podcast that [TS]

  bank and working his French accent and [TS]

  my proudest moment as a father is [TS]

  related to the destruction of Alderaan [TS]

  okay but how my eldest son [TS]

  upon seeing the movie a few times but he [TS]

  says hey when they blew up Alderaan [TS]

  wouldn't she become queen and i have [TS]

  never considered that off my favorite [TS]

  queen of my friend for my it is that uh [TS]

  is that if i don't know if anybody else [TS]

  has listened to the star wars radio [TS]

  dramas which are actually quite good but [TS]

  there's there's that that infamous line [TS]

  of course where where Luke tries to [TS]

  convince hon to go after the princess it [TS]

  says [TS]

  bitch and in upon the radio to actually [TS]

  point out [TS]

  well she was Richard all dread but it's [TS]

  not there anymore [TS]

  our money is on and money was an account [TS]

  don't have the money on the minded the [TS]

  Galactic Bank in PL crowns on the planet [TS]

  that's the the capital city your capital [TS]

  planet the Empire whatever its name is I [TS]

  guess we'll never know now [TS]

  yeah Imperial center something like that [TS]

  but but still I mean it's quite a [TS]

  shocking thing and this is the this is [TS]

  the point where you realize you know why [TS]

  the Death Star's here and they blow up [TS]

  an entire planet that's quite gets kind [TS]

  of bold these Empire guys are not [TS]

  messing around that's right they don't [TS]

  kid around and it's good for our kids [TS]

  movie where she gives in to the threats [TS]

  like we're going to blow up your planet [TS]

  you gotta tell us she tells them and [TS]

  when your kid you're like oh she told [TS]

  him to save our planet and they [TS]

  immediately blow it up which is not a [TS]

  complicated didn't she was lying and she [TS]

  does realize that's what happens when [TS]

  you like kids but to a little kid that [TS]

  was fairly shocking the plan because we [TS]

  all know it wasn't tortured does not [TS]

  produce accurate information enhanced [TS]

  interrogation the the sound design [TS]

  yeah when they're cranking up the Death [TS]

  Star I remember it just it just rattled [TS]

  me in my seat [TS]

  the low hum as they don't bounce the [TS]

  beam around inside whatever they're [TS]

  doing when it when it starts cranking up [TS]

  they were commenced and groom [TS]

  recognition [TS]

  yes thank you thank you can wait in [TS]

  general though the sound design it is [TS]

  fantastic i mean i think you know Ben [TS]

  Burtt seriously deserves a shout-out for [TS]

  all the work that's done we have because [TS]

  it's and that is some of the you know [TS]

  it's just phenomenal the stuff that he [TS]

  comes up with this stuff that like it's [TS]

  always fascinating if you were watching [TS]

  the behind-the-scenes stuff to see how [TS]

  we came up with all these sounds from [TS]

  these like ordinary objects that exist [TS]

  in our world and then taking them and [TS]

  distorting them and combining them into [TS]

  something that's unrecognizable yet at [TS]

  the same time fits perfectly like chewy [TS]

  you know it seems like his voice seems [TS]

  right for him the blasters sound like [TS]

  right from what we would you know think [TS]

  of as blasters the lightsabers you know [TS]

  it all just seems to fit with you know [TS]

  the objects they're portraying and yet [TS]

  these are sounds that are you know [TS]

  totally unrecognizable you know from our [TS]

  reality [TS]

  and it's not just like that the sounds [TS]

  they pick it's it's the fact that they [TS]

  decided that certain things needed sound [TS]

  at all that is the big thing with the [TS]

  soundscape this moving out the music but [TS]

  the soundscape is that you know when it [TS]

  comes time to say okay we're gonna have [TS]

  people shooting a gun obviously you know [TS]

  that has to make a sound and even like [TS]

  that they'll desktop has to make a sound [TS]

  but they add sounds in places where the [TS]

  movies didn't have any sound ever [TS]

  whatsoever in the biggest one I see is [TS]

  that whenever there's a piece of [TS]

  machinery on the screen [TS]

  they have a sound of that machinery and [TS]

  operation and the sound is different [TS]

  from the person inside the missionary to [TS]

  the person outside so this for example [TS]

  the x-wing [TS]

  when you're inside the x-wing this [TS]

  constant background high-pitched hum and [TS]

  they're saying that's the sound of the [TS]

  x-wing running and of course when you're [TS]

  outside it in space with no sound [TS]

  whatever there's a different sound of [TS]

  each of the neck but machinery in this [TS]

  universe makes noise when it's running [TS]

  this like your lawnmower make noise when [TS]

  it's ryan doesn't sound like your lawn [TS]

  mower but that but if any machinery is [TS]

  running there is a constant background [TS]

  noise and that adds tremendously to me [TS]

  when you're a little kid you know when [TS]

  you're in a car the car makes noise so [TS]

  when he's in his x-wing you can hear the [TS]

  x-wing running you the sound of the [TS]

  machine is there it really makes [TS]

  everything feel much more rebound of [TS]

  turning tractor beams off like it being [TS]

  dirty as well [TS]

  yeah just like visually all the machines [TS]

  are dirty because you [TS]

  yeah exactly it's a riddle lived in [TS]

  universe when I was a cheese I must have [TS]

  been ten just a few years after i made [TS]

  the discovery that if you take two [TS]

  double A batteries hold them loosely at [TS]

  the base and bang them together they [TS]

  sound just a little like lightsabers and [TS]

  and so I spend 40 50 60 hours doing that [TS]

  so [TS]

  autumn autumn fall come a day off is [TS]

  when we get our first introduction into [TS]

  the force and then it's a mystical [TS]

  magical wonderful thing that is [TS]

  everywhere all around us and blue and [TS]

  put a little too technically we go out [TS]

  before they left but hey he will do [TS]

  wheeler or whether some of that well i'm [TS]

  thinking we wanted Ben Ben breaks him in [TS]

  and when he's at his house at ben's [TS]

  house and add the forces and mystical [TS]

  and he lies to him to about maybe about [TS]

  well maybe about his father in theory [TS]

  certain point of view [TS]

  thank you John R i'm thinking of Luke's [TS]

  for first we get the dead [TS]

  the chats with the Ray Harryhausen and [TS]

  stop motion animation animated chest [TS]

  guys right but working with my kiddos [TS]

  Laver one of my favorite things let the [TS]

  wookie that whole lakes that whole [TS]

  exchange is great stories don't pull [TS]

  people's arms out of theirs [TS]

  did they reverse the film there in terms [TS]

  of you know the perspectives when they [TS]

  were to win [TS]

  jubak is taking his arms down from [TS]

  behind his head [TS]

  they just seem to fall awfully fast the [TS]

  seventies they had trouble with film [TS]

  speed they were still cranking it by [TS]

  hand i think that's it you talk about [TS]

  the the some of the places where the [TS]

  special effects look just off and like [TS]

  the Millennium Falcon leaving most [TS]

  isolate always look like a really bad [TS]

  Matt to me even when I was young and [TS]

  Chewbacca taking his hand down from [TS]

  behind his head looks artificial I never [TS]

  noticed that when the sandpeople thrust [TS]

  their little Spears up and down that I I [TS]

  never realized that that's just like a [TS]

  half a second film played forward and [TS]

  backward a couple of times yeah that had [TS]

  no idea that you need in the ending [TS]

  scene with the with the space battle [TS]

  there's a couple clips to get reused in [TS]

  there too but it's I would still say [TS]

  they're really use fewer clips than a [TS]

  much later movie like for example top [TS]

  gun which we use air combat footage like [TS]

  crazy to an annoying degree that's what [TS]

  you found annoying about the elephant [TS]

  even something that had a limited budget [TS]

  yep yeah and the mix were training but [TS]

  the homoerotic subtext is perfect [TS]

  that was the best part about on the [TS]

  danger zone I mean what a song [TS]

  Oh Kenny Loggins wherefore art thou [TS]

  wow finally catalog incident involved in [TS]

  so now we probably have an attitude of [TS]

  the Opera ya inside of the star wars [TS]

  episode we were we finally got into what [TS]

  we wanted to talk about from real [TS]

  witches topcoat it's you know Star Wars [TS]

  is really a riddle wrapped in a mystery [TS]

  wrapped inside top gun so the other [TS]

  thing that happens on the Millennium [TS]

  Falcon is is Luke wears a helmet with [TS]

  the blast shield down and gets shot in [TS]

  the butt by a laser from a floating ball [TS]

  thing with spikes on it as you do i [TS]

  would like to know what a practical use [TS]

  of that blast shield is because [TS]

  seriously if you throw away from slabs [TS]

  and you have a time to put a completely [TS]

  opaque piece of [TS]

  metal over the front of your face it's I [TS]

  don't know it's free welding cheese this [TS]

  for well it's a completely opaque [TS]

  yeah when you don't need to see what [TS]

  your well-being and why did he have that [TS]

  thing [TS]

  it depends on how bright the blast is [TS]

  nothing if you put the word blast in [TS]

  front of everything anything it can make [TS]

  this a futuristic it's just like my [TS]

  heart to order the guys you're writing [TS]

  it and saying what's that thing has [TS]

  gotten from his case on i'll call a [TS]

  blast shield that was my George Lucas [TS]

  impression floating spiky blast ball you [TS]

  need a blast shield in case you get hit [TS]

  by a turbolaser but i think the keys the [TS]

  key part of the scene on the Millennium [TS]

  Falcon other than once again having the [TS]

  sound of the inside of the money back on [TS]

  the outside which we can all hear in [TS]

  your head now and know that that's the [TS]

  sound of the mine Falcon but anyway the [TS]

  key scene there i think is the Han [TS]

  expressing skepticism about the force [TS]

  because up to this point we were from [TS]

  Luke's point of view this old guy tells [TS]

  us about the forest now is always going [TS]

  to show us how to do it [TS]

  we've seen is all guide to effectively [TS]

  magic with these are not the droids [TS]

  you're looking for and stuff and we get [TS]

  on the ship and his lowest branches and [TS]

  we're not heroes to ya and hongos listen [TS]

  kid I seen a lot of strange things you [TS]

  know you go through that whole speech [TS]

  about I've never seen anything that he [TS]

  thinks is something some magical force [TS]

  controlling everything [TS]

  no forced finds his destiny you know it [TS]

  it'll give visit we didn't have that not [TS]

  so much in this movie but in later [TS]

  movies you wouldn't have any sort of [TS]

  diabetes like all the force and I and [TS]

  look believes and so I believe it and it [TS]

  shows that their skepticism that it's [TS]

  not you know that that there's some some [TS]

  leap of faith requires them to believe [TS]

  this is even possible even though we [TS]

  live in a world with spaceships and [TS]

  everything this crazy idea of the force [TS]

  is still a little bit wacky I think that [TS]

  was the key plot point dropped and in [TS]

  the interior the line talking scene in [TS]

  that but you know not only does a Darth [TS]

  Vader use the Force to choke somebody to [TS]

  death [TS]

  he also uses it to get coffee in the [TS]

  comic con it [TS]

  yeah he does you don't use the word [TS]

  faith there to find his lack of faith [TS]

  disturbing [TS]

  I want you need that faith i'm choking [TS]

  you dude you don't have to believe [TS]

  believe that I believe it may go Greg [TS]

  can you explain [TS]

  can you explain the darth vader coffee [TS]

  thing by the way for those who don't [TS]

  know because this is one of my favorite [TS]

  things about about the original star [TS]

  wars in the comic version [TS]

  there's the conference room scene where [TS]

  they're discussing how the plans got [TS]

  away and who's to blame and your ancient [TS]

  religion blah blah blah and it just as [TS]

  as the people are talking around the [TS]

  table Vader floats over a Styrofoam cup [TS]

  of coffee and a little yes [TS]

  how does he drink it yes I don't know [TS]

  using the force and then United States [TS]

  he's holding it for the rest of the [TS]

  scene including our show gonna need to [TS]

  do all the only thing that would have [TS]

  been awesome about that is it well to [TS]

  give you guys something of a copy that [TS]

  throws it in his face installed that [TS]

  would be hilarious [TS]

  he should have been quietly sipping [TS]

  through his helmet while choking the guy [TS]

  that's the dark side band confidence for [TS]

  chokers Vader doesn't put any cream in [TS]

  his coffee by the way he likes it black [TS]

  takes that black just like you like I [TS]

  like my coffee like my like my evil [TS]

  likewise if Lawrence so we're gonna take [TS]

  a pause right here because of the [TS]

  podcast God's forced us to not do it to [TS]

  our podcast so we're going to cut this [TS]

  into two pieces [TS]

  stay tuned for the next installment [TS]

  where we will continue talking about [TS]

  star wars until then I want to thank my [TS]

  guests for taking us up to the halfway [TS]

  point John siracusa thank you you're [TS]

  very welcome Dan Moore and thank you may [TS]

  the force be with you always [TS]

  Scott McNulty thank you for being here [TS]

  for half of it i hope you come back for [TS]

  the second half [TS]

  I have a bad feeling about this ok and [TS]

  Greg moss [TS]

  thank you thank you Jason uh he feels [TS]

  like it sounds like a beaten man but [TS]

  he'll be back for more [TS]

  in our next installment and until then [TS]

  this is jason still thanks for listening [TS]

  we'll see you next time with more star [TS]

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