303: Kitty`s in Space Now
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uncomfortable on your host Jason Snell
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and here we go we're going to talk about
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know back in the early days of the
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uncomfortable what we often did was talk
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about Billy broad broad topics and then
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over the years we've realized we need to
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focus in a little bit because there's a
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lot of episodes you can't you can't stay
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abroad forever you're gonna get detailed
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but it's a little bit of a throwback in
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this one because we're gonna be talking
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about the x-men and you ask yourself
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what do you mean Jason the demon the
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x-men movies do you mean particular runs
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of the x-men you the graphic novel from
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the eighties or or the the you know the
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plastic burn claremont era or or the
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original x-men that Stanley did with I
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don't even remember was that car jack
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kirby was that I don't know it doesn't
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the answer is yes we're gonna talk about
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the x-men that's what i said the x-men
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that's it that's it
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this is an overview about the x-men
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joining me to talk about all things
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mutant e.r.a find a panel of people
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Monty actually is out there hello Monty
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hello Jason I i'm scanning with cerebro
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and I detect a very powerful mutant it's
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lisa Schmeisser hello very careful yes
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that's my favorite line from I think
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it's the first x-men movie yes where I
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tried to make that into a US mean but
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nobody else wanted to join to it was not
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me it was like the year 2000 means
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really quite across the internet yet i
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just tried to make the other thing that
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nobody would join me and saying all he's
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a very powerful mutant but I don't want
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you and that's right well you know who
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else is a powerful mutant it's Merlin
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hi and then unit circus I was midnight
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crawler any of our region and our our
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comrade from no i'm not i would why am I
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going into a colossal thing I don't know
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also joining us for her second time in
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the uncomfortable it's only worker hello
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so the x-men I just wanted to do so also
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i should say there's a new x-men movie
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out as we record this and it's not this
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episode is not about that either because
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in my in my continuing attempts to
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frustrate fans who want to talk about
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our recent release motion pictures I
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instead go you know I swerve and instead
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of batman vs superman we talk about the
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batman animated series instead of x-men
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apocalypse we talk about everything but
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Xmen apocalypse basically so
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what I i want to go around and ask
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everybody first just sort of what their
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personal histories with the x-men you
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know where how did you discover them and
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and and and maybe how you know what what
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what resonated with you what was the
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thing that really struck you when you
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when you discovered about these uh these
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Marvel Comics superheroes and there are
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so many so I'm sure there will be some
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some right here least one we start with
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you what what would a what how do you
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discover the x-men and how do they
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resonate with you it was entirely
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serendipitous it was nineteen
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eighty-three my mom let my brother and I
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each pick something up from a drugstore
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comic book rack before a road trip and I
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picked the uncanny x-men annual number 5
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titled lubuntu yes and it's a crossover
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the Fantastic Four and the reason i
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picked it as a 5th grader was because I
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had seen the nineteen sixties version of
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Fantastic Four before and I always kind
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of liked both Sue Storm and dr. to but I
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was like well I don't know the Fantastic
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Four let's see what else is going on and
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I i read that issue and what I didn't
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realize at the time was well actually I
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did realize was it was pretty quietly
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radical because you know as a group as a
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little girl growing up with things like
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stable even star wars or the Justice
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League I was used to the formula for any
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sort of ensemble being all of these
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dudes plus one of the girl and in
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uncanny x-men annual number five the
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team was led by a woman by storm and
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there was somebody you know who is a
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team very young teenager kitty pryde now
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is revelation as well and Sue Storm is
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part of the team and Sue Storm becomes
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part of the team and the menus on the
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team are listening to the women and
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doing what they say and it's storm and
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Sue who come up with the plan to rescue
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the rest of the Fantastic Four from the
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bedroom for these these evil lizard like
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people and you know professor at their
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gets a little side action with the
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laundry the interest of the Empire and
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it was such a radical thing to see this
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this mix of people of all ages and
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ethnicities and genders working together
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and i love that comic book I read it
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over and over again until it fell apart
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and then i discovered the new mutants
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and that was pretty much my full bore
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bore introduction to the x men in
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general and that the the Nubians are
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pretty much my flagship book and it's
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from there the kind of spread sprung
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into other books other plot lines but
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didn't the Newton's are always when I
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return to again and again I Merlin what
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about you what's your x-men relationship
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my best friend when I was a kid I loved
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all things nerdy stuff that like it's
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kind of normal like now he was a weirdo
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and he loved Lord of the Rings I mean
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all the talking books and especially
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loved x-men and so I knew about he was
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just here I couldn't stop talking about
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it so I knew about all these characters
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i read a little of it didn't get super
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into it I was that's never really stuck
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with me although I like the pictures I
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didn't follow the stories in
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flashforward many years I on windows
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have some kind of midlife crisis and for
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some reason from am I went to amazon i
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picked up the big omnibus of uncanny
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x-men starting with giant-size x-men and
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you know it probably i started reading
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it and reading with my little kid and I
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don't know it really i instantly just it
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came alive and I instantly loved so many
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of these characters and and sort of like
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Lisa said i'ii instantly got the kind of
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the sort of voce message that this is
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really this is about discrimination and
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people who don't fit in and gosh who
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doesn't feel like that especially
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middle-aged men having a midlife crisis
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and i'm really into it and that kinda
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brought me back into comics for the
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first time since I was a kid and for the
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last what six years now seven years now
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it's something that i really come back
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to enjoying still loving the x-men not
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reading so much new stuff right now but
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sometimes you know my kids i will just
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pick up you know masterworks you know
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trade of uncanny x-men we'll just we'll
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just read two or three issues and it
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still delights me
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so you did you have no childhood
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experience with their exposure to the X
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manner or was really just in recent
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well when I was a kid my best friend was
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a super nerd who's really into stuff
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like talkin books and he was really into
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and other Marvel books i was really more
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into the thing i like the thing and I
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like the Hulk like I didn't have the
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cash layout for thirty-five cents to
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follow these kinds of things but you
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know it's funny because as soon as I
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open that up and started reading the
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first few pages you see Kurt you know
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getting chased up a building they're
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setting on fire and i'm just gonna click
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for me and and so mean that was the
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beginning but all on the way like now I
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love uncanny x-force you know how I love
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them just ended like Lisa said that the
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new meat and stuff there's just so much
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that I get out of this and have all of
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the big story all the big teams in
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marvel over the years
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fantastic 4 into an even greater extent
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the x-men are two that I can stick with
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even through some of their Silius times
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mostly because there's just something
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special about that team that I can't
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quite put my finger on and it's the
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blights me to this time point what's
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your--oh what's your experience with the
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x-men well um what happened was
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sometimes I think it was between my
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freshman and sophomore year of high
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school I basically fell in with the
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by which you mean comic book nerds by
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which I mean comic book nerds yeah um
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but yeah well I shouldn't say that
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because I had already dipped a toe into
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the comic book universe because i had
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discovered Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
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through the cartoon i had gone back and
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discovered the original Eastman and
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Laird and so I had actually stepped foot
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in a comic book store
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I had you know had that introduction to
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the world and so through that I sort of
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knew the existence of these x-men and
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you know the rest of the Marvel Universe
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but so I sort of hopped between social
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groups from one year to the next in the
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in high school and they like met these
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like my new friend Tony and my new
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friend Julie and oh hey we're all going
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over to tony's this weekend and we're
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bringing a long boxes you want to come
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I'm like okay sure so I we go over there
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and it's just there it's just x-men it's
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just like this room full of loose issues
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of every x-men series and i just sat
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down and started reading and I was
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absolutely hooked room sounds like
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well you would think so except that Tony
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lived above a funeral home soon so it
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literally was paradise then he had very
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quiet neighbors some fascinating place
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to me but no it really was and we would
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do that like once a month or so we would
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all just go over to someone's house and
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and you know make our parents put all of
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our long boxes in the car and and you
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know take them over and that was that
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was it you know i just i started reading
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as many of their back issues as I could
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so that I didn't have to lay out the
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cash myself but I would go and buy a few
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that they didn't have it was like the
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the three or four of us were all trying
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to like build the complete collection
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together and that was about when the
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second book started up i think it's my
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understanding is now it's called x-men
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vol 2 was like in 1991 they just started
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x-men without the uncanny in front of it
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and they split into blue and gold teams
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and now oh there's another title you
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have to buy and and but I was the the
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book this sort of became my book was
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Excalibur because it had because it had
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Kitty Pryde and because it had Kurt and
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that mean even though I knew
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intellectually that it was rather silly
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and some of it was pretty bad
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two of them i would forgive a lot for
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the two of them the tools they were sort
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of my touchstones through the whole
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thing and that lasted I had a very
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intense x-men period that ended rather
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suddenly actually at the end of high
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school and from then on it's been sort
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of like I'll go back and check in on
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them every once in awhile it's sort of
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like getting your college alumni
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newsletter and and say oh wait she had a
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kid when did that happen and you know
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away now he's on the other team and no
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oh no he's back again okay
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so that's been and the movies and you
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know nostalgia and all of that so that's
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been sort of my relationship since then
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money what about you
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well when I was a tiny child i read some
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comic books i remember being partial to
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the flash and richie rich i don't know
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how i picked those two there and so
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often happens yes I like the combination
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yeah I don't those were the ones i
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gravitated to i assume i wanted to run
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fast and be rich 34 friends then I
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drifted away from comics but state a
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huge nerd and then the mid-nineteen
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eighties I fell in with the right crowd
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by which i mean comic book readers and
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role-playing east and the first really
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long role-playing campaign i got into
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was this game of teenage mutant ninja
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turtles and other straightness a
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palladium RPG that is terribly balanced
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and i actually knew about it as a great
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RPG first and then I found out about the
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comics and checking what issues I had I
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this looks like it was about mid
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nineteen eighty-five so again so we both
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of you encounter teenage mutant ninja
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turtles which are of course satirizing
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among other things the x-men the x-men
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is the mutant part and the teenage party
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i guess to a certain extent and the
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ninjas is more of a daredevil kind of
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reaction but that's so you see
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discovered Mutant Ninja Turtles before
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you discovered yeah
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Marvel mutants because i was going to
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comic book stores a bunch at that point
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and then somewhere in mid nineteen
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eighty-five i found the x-men and
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absolutely fell in love with it i am
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unable to tell what my first issue was
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because I immediately started buying
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issues back from where I was to find out
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who these characters were because in
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those days we do not have Wikipedia for
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cheap reprints but I feel like it was
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probably around issue 190 because i know
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for a fact that the x-men team in my
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head is the correct x-men team which is
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storm as leader possibly without powers
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and then we'll bring Nightcrawler road
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Colossus kitty pryde that sort of thing
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classic and i bought almost every
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spin-off book as they came along I was
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very into New Mutants I tried to get
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into x factor but those old characters
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are boring and not my x-men so who cares
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mm ah i did not get very into power pack
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although i did have to buy at least two
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issues because of secret wars crossovers
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bug ya based in secret wars two
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crossovers even better but basically the
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mid-eighties x-men is my entry into
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mainstream comic books the so for me
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very very close to Monte an era i would
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say i discovered i i i really got into
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comics in the in the in the early to mid
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while they're being shunned by by by the
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that one of the appeals of the x-men at
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it for price 30-year is um there are so
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many different characters that it's not
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a book for just a really specific time
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in your life but there are so many
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different characters with so many
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different circumstances you you'll find
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somebody to relate to it almost every
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point um and they love the strongest
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riders on the series have always done a
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good job of blending and balancing
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different types of personalities because
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types and some wildly and secure types
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some straight for heroic types and when
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sparking off of each other
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another part of the appeal as well is in
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addition to the whole you know where all
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mutants under the skin message there's
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with three circumstance and then we have
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people that we want to be with by choice
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the appeal as well as you eat is you get
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pegou you're like oh my god like I can
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remember reading the New Mutants and be
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why are you being such a jerk and at the
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with my crush Colossus and like the
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people I thought were my peers and being
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forced to hang out with with the ex
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babies i would be a I would be a real
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little pill too so that you know it was
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it was a great mirror for seeing your
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interpersonal conflicts and I find it
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incredibly rewarding that way
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series in the eighth provided structure
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everyone waking up in their own separate
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apartments and and you know having
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little thought bubbles about what
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they're doing they're all having to deal
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with each other in each other's faces
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and it creates tension and it creates a
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lot of opportunity for the writers to
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just pair people up and see how they
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bounce off each other and in that way it
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thinking of The Sopranos and in how
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like the work lives and how the two of
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them just mesh completely that you have
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what's going on at the school and you
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flying the jet and deal with and at the
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they're all developing and yeah i do
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superheroes was that they were these
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people who were on ironically gifted
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great interesting and enduring you know
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in the case of almost all of them
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especially fantastic foursome
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radiation concerned about you know
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segregation and things like that in the
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of being part of or away from society
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result so when Kitty Pryde is getting
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from up there is a lot of little girls
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a lot of the same stuff like that I did
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weirdo in the world and nothing good
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will ever happen to me
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them but you're also going to you're
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gonna have an opportunity to say you
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know what I am a weirdo but I'm gonna
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find some way to make something good out
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think about all those folks who were
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like you know bank needs to be real
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handsome guy he didn't like looking like
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that into something better and bigger
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than himself and that's to me what makes
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the promise of the x-men so interesting
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continues to be a big 10-4 anybody feels
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mutants even if they look normal they
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hunted and despite just for being
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who know their different inside and I
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they don't you know if they behave right
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it's not true and and that they could be
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team you've got people who got these two
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they're in different stages of life and
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they've got different ways that they
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interact with with society and it makes
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it really interesting
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society and I was gonna say would also
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appeals to be about the x-men especially
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become adults is the writers tend to
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come back repeatedly to each character
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ask themselves who do I want to be and
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what am I going to do in the world with
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who why with with that the talents and
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detective agency or am I going to be
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become off high-class prostitute because
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could god I'm going to become a rock
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star or disco star was thinking
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the bad guys the baddies but I mean you
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know what does it make the Joker so
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great with Batman the Joker Dino super
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deep cataloging Batman but one of the
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reasons i love the Joker is that he
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realize that thing and that thing is we
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need each other like we cannot rise to
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capable of without pushing each other so
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that makes a great every single
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reasons for being added in various times
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with his name in godless man kills or
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without striker striker yesterday haha
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striker that guy or whomever like you
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need a the thing is this is what makes
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why magneto continues to be interesting
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because you know you don't know what
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side he's going to be on but he's
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definitely not on the same page as
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everybody else but i don't know i think
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that continues to making such an
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yeah he was on the x-men for a long time
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and it was completely justified he
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didn't have to change any of his basic
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motivations to do it which is not
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yeah or listen carefully I mean you know
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you could have the lex luthor he is
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working with Superman now is like yeah
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okay but with Maggie know it was about
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his approach and and I mean he sometimes
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agree so much of this is about or emma
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frost yeah well i was thinking i was
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gonna bring her up because i actually
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the classic things about the x-men that
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i kind of am sad that they don't have
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I it's hard for me to complain about a
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comic-book trying to progress characters
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because usually they don't and and so
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clothing we've established this she
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really doesn't want to wear any it's she
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wears as little as possible so she was
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and the Hellfire Club and she's up she's
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a baddie and it turns around and becomes
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a really interesting character as Scott
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Summers girlfriend and a teacher who's
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basically running the school and um you
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know she's she and she's got an itch to
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her because she isn't like a goody-goody
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because she was a villain and ends up
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being a you know it did that there's a
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all these characters who are mutants
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they're all on in one level they're on
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the same side right and it's just a
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matter of what they choose to do
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politically about being on that side
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they're the ones they're all apart the
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good guys and the bad guys are all apart
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they're in general and the x-men all
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mutants that's really interesting i'd
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rather than my frost just because you
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talk about you know she was rolled out
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and she's the white queen she can
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Sebastian's you know Sebastian's shot is
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terrifying and what was striking even
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back in the eighties was her laser focus
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was i'm going to raise these children so
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they don't have to go through what I go
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through and if if her means were you
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know seen as evil or manipulative she
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she could not care less what you thought
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because she had a goal is really focused
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on I feel like she shares that with
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magneto where they have this one
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principle that drives everything they do
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and it's a good principle it's just that
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they are very much of the well you
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cannot make an omelet without going
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through accident
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yeah but I'm one of my the moment I will
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always love Emma Frost for actually
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happens during marvel civil war event
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when Tony Stark comes and he's like yeah
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we really want the mutants to help out
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the side of the side of Tony Stark the
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side of right and she's like I like the
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way the Avengers helped after her big
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crisis last year Donna are we in the
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Marvel Universe now I hadn't noticed
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yeah and just the way she throws his
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crap in the street and she's all know
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you know what mutants mutants lookout
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for mutants I don't care what the rest
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of you do every mutant has their orders
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to stay out of this and when she when
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she puts it like that you know that
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everyone staying out of it like you know
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there's not going to be Wolverine
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popping into this book to Goose sales
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because II you even he goes back and i
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love that she explicitly draws length of
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solid evidence is no these are the
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people I'm for you are not one of them
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and by the way you work you work for us
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what we needed you so have a Coke and a
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smile and good luck in Captain America
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going the other way road was a villain
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who turned you into a hero as a complete
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turning on a dime in it yeah yeah yeah i
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mean there was there was some tragedy in
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her but it did happen awful fast that
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was right at Corrin in the core of my
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expanding and and she was meant to be a
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tragic character her tragedy was that
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she almost killed miss marvel but still
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kinda messed her up in the head man
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cause she kinda absorbed the heroism of
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and it sort of made her rethink things
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and they haven't rehabbing a villain and
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and turning them into an x-man was an
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interesting story for rogue but it was
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no no I i am with You Monty it's gonna
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happen awfully awfully fast i also find
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a chilling that we gave this woman a
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personality transplant now she's
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wonderful as is seen as a completely
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valid after everybody
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yeah by the time i was reading she's
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just the invulnerable flying one with a
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southern sun and magnificent mullet oh
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my god i think it's going straight
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john romita like to take his time with
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it's one of the things that I sort of
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hesitate to go back and read the the era
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nineties because looking back at it now
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but I thought that you know her plight
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well observed and he basically exist to
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be the man she cannot touch and but at
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that was on at about the same time where
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it was where they set up the tension so
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well that anything that was you know two
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pinkies touching constituted you know
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full-on you know going at it and that
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was what they set up for the two of them
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was completely enraptured by anything
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embarrassed but they managed to touch
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something really primal with her which
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if you couldn't touch anyone for the
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rest of your life and just that ability
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the the double-edged sword of being a
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mutant you have this amazing power and
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Charles Xavier at all but they they he
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Jason they kill them off and then he
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me goes but there's so many characters
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not the draft but i do want to go around
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and ask everybody if they have if they
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have a favorite one or two x-men because
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we have a your favorite favorite x-men
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favorite Beatles song and it's really
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hard to changes from time to time but an
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i think that's probably when everybody's
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favorite because she feels like us and
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she's the way that and if you can get
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with the Marvel style and you know I
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totally understand if you can't get with
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the Marvel stop when she's introduced I
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will freely return to that crazy run
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that awesome run so much great stuff
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around that time when they introduced
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dazzler and they introduced kitty pryde
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there's so much great stuff but the way
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that she's written she really feels like
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a Jewish kid from Chicago who takes
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ballet lessons really i buy it I'm in
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many people talk about about kitty and i
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comics fans who all loved x-men and I'll
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love Wolverine these are all a bunch of
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12 year old boys were like wolverine
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he's so cool you can cut things with his
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claws he's awesome he's got a cigar he's
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and then there's me who you know quite
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frankly would not talk about it to those
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to those guys because I didn't want to
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let on but it's like I actually really
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like kitty pryde she's the one she's one
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question I don't have anything connected
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to Wolverine at all it's like he's just
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this grumbly canadian guy right cliff
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Claus but kitty is an awkward teenager
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who is trying to interact in a world
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with all of these adults who have
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who seem to have their stuff together
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and I'll in a way that she absolutely
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she's like the bass player from
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Metallica like no matter how long she's
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in that band she's always going to be
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the new one yeah but that's what makes
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her and Wolverines two great teams drink
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yeah whatever I I always been
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interesting how all Wolverine principal
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yeah he's great at that he so there's
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that cover worries about to kill a
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powerpack kid when they did that
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recently they did the wolverine and the
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x-men series which which plays off of
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wolverine as actually not you know he
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doesn't want to let on because he's got
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that profits Terry to live down but he
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the thing that I think i'm a lot of like
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manly man boys miss that to me has
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become my I mean I happen to really like
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wolverine I think he's gotten a little
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lot of baggage over the years because
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people have God love him I videography
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added so much unnecessary origin stuff
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to this character was connected within
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jack has noticed that yeah well that was
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the most interesting we didn't
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understand what how the claws work we
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don't know like we don't need like you
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know but the thing is and you know it's
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funny this didn't really really hit me
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until the first x-men movie which i
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think is a really good movie but when
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when when rogue has seen him
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wielding his claws and they're sitting
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there in the pickup and they do a great
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shot with a zoom in on his hands and
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he's gripping the wheel doesn't hand and
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she and Andros says to him
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does it hurt and he says every time
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three-time loser here's here's what you
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don't know about wolverine hey this is
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the thing you can drop him from space
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and he will the social part 3
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he will heal the particular it's gonna
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hurt so much when he hits the ground
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every time he does anything that we
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think of as like it's not like it's not
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like Superman like lifting something
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with his irate I lasers or something
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like everything he does hurts just as
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much as it would hurt you and me he
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wastes 352 he weighs 300 pounds damn and
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pain because his body is permanently
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trying to heal something that can't be
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imagine being a human scab that smokes
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that's what he'd call his entire life is
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healing something unavailable and that
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now maybe that's the 49-year old man
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because I heard that I was over
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they're my my Canadian brother i feel
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you there was i remember this issue
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where Jean Grey had to go find him
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it was like the aftermath of some battle
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or other and he decided to deal with the
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emotional fallout by going and picking
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fights in bars and she found him with
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cerebro and she got him and he had been
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i basically daring this guy to hit him
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with brass knuckles and the guy you know
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obliged and Wolverine then you know had
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to pop his I back into place and Papa
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shoulder back into place and whatever
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and then he said my turn in the guy ran
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and Jean Grey's like why are you doing
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this and he says the the answer
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basically boiled down to I don't scar I
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don't get to scar the way you guys do
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and you can look at your body and say
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this is from with this fight and this is
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from the other fight and this is from
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when you know I tripped on something
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when I was a kid so this is how I deal
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with it and I remember being very blown
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away by that because I yeah it's that
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feeling of you can do anything to him
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and he comes back and what what's what
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does that reek in in in the head that
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just makes guy interesting and I think
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he's I think Wolverines a character is a
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victim of his unpopularity that he ended
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up being you know not only I think like
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by some people for some of the wrong
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reasons and that lost some of the
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subtlety of the character but also he
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just got so popular that he was
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overexposed and they had a min a bunch
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of different books that spider-man is
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really was something on every team for
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know particularly good reason yeah you
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know that's the joke as Wolverines the
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Wolverines the loners on every team in
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yeah but you know it's just we think
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about he's ultimately so tragic because
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here is somebody who is a grown-ass man
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living in a mansion with a bunch of
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teenagers he can't get married and have
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children because that's just their there
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are no circumstances that's going to
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work for him and what I found
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interesting about the way he's been
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characterized over the years is I loved
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him in the eighties when I was a little
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girl and then a teenager because he was
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he was always the wisecracking cynic on
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um and I like the undercut the tone of
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high-minded idea
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it's part of high-minded heroes and that
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Scott Summers strove to bring to the
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proceedings and but it seems like a lot
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of the writers use them to workout
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meditations on what it means to be
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masculine in almost a decade and that
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has kind of gradually shifted over the
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years and when you see him another book
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sometimes it's fascinating
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like I love his appearance in this
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Marvel when Kamala cosmic irony fanfic
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about you and they worked together and
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he has to accept help from her and they
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take a selfie and he treats her like up
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here but he still runs interference to
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make sure that she's not on the Avengers
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Walsh while she's still a child and you
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contrast that to somebody who in the
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eighties had no problem throwing
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teenagers into battle when it was
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expedient and I think it's really
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interesting how the character has
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suddenly grown and changed and how that
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might be pointing to cultural currents
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about the the way we regard what it
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means to be manly or to be a man of
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culture too because because the Marines
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kind of Wolverines kind of marbles
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masculine fantasy the only people that
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the people the the greatest American
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filmmakers working today dealing with in
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every movie in some way dealing with
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what does it mean to be a man in America
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and what would you do if you had
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unlimited power and money
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coen brothers coen brothers should do a
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Wolverine movie probably can't just to
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add george clooney's Wolverine I was all
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set to answer your question i'm not
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going to say Nightcrawler I'm not gonna
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say I'm gonna stick I'm gonna save and
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no this is not a draft although it's
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technically a draft i'll choose kitty
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pryde ok nite drafting fried still would
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be on board because there's no board as
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it's not a draft thank you shooting and
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she would also phase through the board
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thank you she would she would but she's
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not she's not going down with those
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x-babies Celine Dion favorite x-men
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character or two
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well it's a good thing you pick me next
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because I know he's going soon it has to
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be Nightcrawler alright it's not a draft
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he's not going anywhere but alright why
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our group of the x-men he's so talented
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and so underrated it's a draft Jason
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making a dress alessi teleports there
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with a pup with puffs of brimstone and
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ok so as a fellow Jewish girl from
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suburban Chicago kitty bride was my
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identity character but as far as
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who i thought the most interesting and
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compelling person in the x-men was it
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will absolutely had to be Nightcrawler
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and to me he sort of was the
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personification of what the x-men were
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about in that you have this guy who has
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every reason to be a mopey loner hating
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the world and instead he is this
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delightful sweetheart of a guy who loves
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to watch old films and fences and is
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religious in a way that very few comic
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book characters that I was sort of
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exposed to then or I don't know about
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now but goodness like a devout Catholic
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like is that done you know in in comic
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books and actually treated with with you
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know some degree sometimes some degree
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of tastefulness we won't talk about when
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they're not fighting my fist oh oh god
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but and at the same time like you know
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in people called him a double people
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called him you know like the agent of
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satan and people you know literal town's
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folk with pitchforks and torches came
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after this guy and he managed not to let
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it like Colonel his soul and is a very
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fun person and you know very sensitive
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and thoughtful person and just always
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drove to be his best and I feel the way
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about him the way i think a lot of
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people feel about spider-man which is
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like I hope that I would be that person
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in that situation and it doesn't hurt
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I'll end it with that I fuzzy elf is a
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great case such a great character also
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I'll that's the first German I ever
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learned where the first Russian quite
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frankly to where the thing
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because as I think Monty has pointed out
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before the way chris claremont road all
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the dialogue is these people speak
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english except occasionally they will
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drop in one or two words of their native
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language just for flavor really
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occasionally meaning once every other
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page never learned what the White Wolf
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is anyone even know what what is there a
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particular white wolf that Colossus is
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always talking about her so just any
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random white wolf that happens to show
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up for going to get your writer was
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insane to Peter and the wolf it's
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important just decided that surely him i
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could say well I learned most of my
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French mall share about you can but I
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monte and the waterfall oxygen with my
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see it Monty do you have to have a a
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favorite x-men or two that you would
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like to mention i have a bizarre
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fondness for proto gambit longshot
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longshot are we just talking about
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mullets god yeah and i can report that
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according to wikipedia when they besides
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longshots costume they decided why why
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does somebody always have something to
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we better put some pouches on his outfit
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and that's where all the poachers in the
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nineties came from
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I just I just learned the official name
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a few weeks ago is only a few weeks ago
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so that we can somebody some kind of
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lame reference so i want to get that
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lame reference correct i learned the
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official title for long shots power and
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I just a decision today i really wish i
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had probability manipulation
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yeah maybe that would be really i could
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really use that which is weird because
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that was kind of scarlet witch's at
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scarlet was initially heard that was her
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friend our you exactly but then she has
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universe shuttering magic powers instead
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yeah yeah what can I say one that's not
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an x-man but was a new Mutant yeah mute
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mute ensure all mute and surveillance
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oh my yes I'd sorry much baby unit were
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okay this is not actually a mutant but i
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really like warlock I was going to
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mention warlock Monty i actually was
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going to mention Morlock he's not even
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really a mutant iza he's an alien react
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no alien who comes and meets the new
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mutants that Doug know doug is cipher
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time for the world who could talk to
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warlock because Doug
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a lot merge later become double lock yes
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oh that's where i'm getting ok ok
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there's a great i think New Mutants
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annual warlock and impossible man have a
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contest to see who can beat the other in
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becoming ridiculous things and it ends
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up with impossible man can't change
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colors but more like a so there it's
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no warlock looks great yeah I love him
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not actually mean
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so I'm gonna say storm oh yeah mostly
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because she was able to lead the team
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even when she didn't have powers in
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probably my favorite sequence where she
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had a contest with Cyclops in the Danger
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Room and she won the even though he had
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powers and she didn't I think storm has
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a great look when she gets the really
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yeah i like both her looks I like that I
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like her punk rock from Mohawk phase and
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i also like her like big white hair and
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the long flowy cloak kind of kind of I
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think they're both really cool and she
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was a good leader
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I also think it shows she proved that
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you cannot be the leader of the x-men
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and not be totally boring like Cyclops
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so they're all my favorite bigger xmen
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she has a great background to in that
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instead of you know having rocks thrown
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at her and Ali she was I goddess
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yeah but she left that to come fight
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evildoers anyway
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good for her Lisa do you have a do you
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have a favorite x-men or x-men i feel
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like can you practice the phil hartman
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everybody is gonna everybody good
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everybody gets no and because she is my
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favorite she is she's like a hundred
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percent and again it's because I began
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reading it right before I went to middle
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school and you know when you're that age
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and you're just entering adolescence you
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almost instinctively looking characters
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are just a few years older than you are
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because they're more relatable their
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kind of you want to be and so Kitty i
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always use a contemporary and could
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empathize acutely with with almost any
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any storyline that she had and I locked
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her and so she's my number one with a
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bullet that said I have a real soft spot
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for both karma and Mirage who were
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introduced in the new mutants and I like
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them precisely because they were both of
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them were sort of force
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sort of forced into the team as older
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teenagers as opposed to you know being a
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little kitty there but there are newer
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to the mutant games that makes it
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interesting because they were you know
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incident having the experience kitty
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have they have they have a different set
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of experience with the midfielder yet
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less experienced otherwise they both
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lost their parents and had to grow up
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too fast and they brought some gravitas
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to a good pops he can see and they have
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some of the most interesting stories um
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karma gets kidnapped very early on in
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the series run I I'm but I it like long
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story short he's this telepathic
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telepathic despot who takes her body
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binge eating it constantly until she's
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like 400 pounds when she's finally
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rescued she's stranded in a desert on a
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different dimension and wanders around
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to all the way it falls off and she's in
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he seems really which seems really dumb
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except the whole time you know she's
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really struggling to choose out of shape
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and she's being held hostage in a body
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that is hideous an alien tour because
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it's out of our control and again it's a
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great metaphor for adolescents yeah um
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and then a mirage Danielle Moonstar has
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of course the iconic demon Barry saga
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story in The New Mutants which is when
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what and like the big seem as though you
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have to confront the things you fear
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because once you take them apart you
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figure out who you are it's rewarding
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and the more shallow superficial thing
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both of them into one bear and she has
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them is as they you know progressed over
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the next 30 years when you think about
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it they're not there they they've come
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back and become administrators the
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mentors and they've built solid teams
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that like every once in awhile
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excellent will go off the reservation
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spectacularly like just complete utter
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lunacy and and that hasn't happened with
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them yet and i like that you've got
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these people who are pretty even-keeled
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about things they've been punched
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they've been punched by life a few times
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but they just kind of go and you know
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lean on their friends for a bit and then
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get out and get the job done
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like I I found that really admirable
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that as a very young woman and I like it
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let's see what are we what are we
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missing out there I I mean kitty pryde
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was going to be what I talk about her
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then I was gonna mention Nightcrawler I
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i actually was gonna throw out a warlock
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because because he was pretty cool left
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hand so i don't know i don't know what I
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don't know who's left to choose I when I
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i guess i'll throw out ileana rescued
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magic because i think that she started
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out as a it's a just a fascinating story
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turn with her where she's this little
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girl she's Peter Rasputin's little
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little sister and in the course of what
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one panel she goes from being kidnapped
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and sent to Limbo right and she and she
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comes back as a teenager and and from
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time all this time has passed in a blink
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of an eye and then we they spend their
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time throwing up a story of what
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happened to her to make her into a
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teenager over that time and it turns out
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it was you know as you might expect from
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being in a Hell dimension it was kind of
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awful but she also has like a really
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cool sword and teleportation powers so
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she ends up being a a keep a key player
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in in the x-men not going forward i was
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just reading a bunch of x-men issues uh
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recently in the in the Scott Summers has
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a big x over his face and is a is sort
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of feeling the magneto role and she's
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she's pretty great in that too and she
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still has kept her friendship with kitty
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which I really like to then they're both
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adults now and the relationship although
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it has changed is still kind of
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delightful and in that it's it's solid
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no matter you know what water is under
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the bridge between Kitty and her and
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Leon is a brother for Kitty Pryde her
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habit of dating men named Peter yeah
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well just sighed people in comic books
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do not learn i do love the idea that
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they can take Kitty Pryde and and try
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out some other storylines like putting
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her in the guardians of the galaxy I
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think that's really great and fun to do
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that i just found out about the
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development recently and it was like in
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the middle of a barnes and noble just
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you know going through the various
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trades and I saw like keep ride and you
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know Peter whatever I forget it's like
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well i love peter will in guardians of
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the galaxy and the two of them like
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kissing in space and i nearly I I like
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merely squealed out loud because it was
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it was again that feeling of like a
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friend of yours from long ago that you
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just discovered like monkeys in space no
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Oh kitties face and she's with Peter
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Quillin oh my god that's so awesome like
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I wanted to send her a congrats card
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like it was just it was just the most
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awesome development
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I don't know where as far as I was
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concerned that's how I felt when I found
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out she was a professor at the school
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the first time I was like oh good for
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her good thing she had in her
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it's when Sean Quinn man karma becomes a
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lot of library at the University Chicago
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I'm like not bad university happens a
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great school lightweight know that it's
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gonna do it they also put in a word is
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not a draft I'll put in a word for Jean
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Grey although I would actually say that
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I think Jean Grey has gotten way more
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retro actively then she was in the
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original x-men and certainly even during
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the the Dark Phoenix saga it was very
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much like oh I you know know I've I'm
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out of control and she turns evil person
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a lot of 19 late 1970s 1980s plots
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revolving around female excellent female
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maybe this could all be seen as like a
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body horror / r8 metaphor yeah because
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it's always some poor woman getting
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something done to her body that she had
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said that she can't consent to she's
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powerless to stop and just live with the
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repercussions of so one of the clever
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things that has happened in the x-men
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recently is brian michael bendis did a
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run of the all-new x-men which the
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premise of which is totally nuts which
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is the original x-men are brought
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forward in time to see what's happened
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in the marvel universe since they and
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and and one of the things that I think
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is really great about it is as a written
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by Bendis Jean Grey who is immediately
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brought to a school that's named after
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her because she's dead
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you know is she becomes a really
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interesting character she doesn't have
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most of her powers yet there yet to come
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and she's dealing with all of the
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expectations that surround her because
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finally finding out what she does it in
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and uh it's really kind of great and
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that that has made me rich r actively
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like gene green all gray a whole lot
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I also like the fact that they that they
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didn't like send them back in time after
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six issues instead they basically said
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well no you're here to stay this is you
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know you've you know we split off from
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your timeline and you're just going to
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beat your younger selves are going to be
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here with your old ourselves and you're
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just going to have to deal with it and I
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kind of love that too so that was a
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kind of love that too so that was a
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really nice weird take on the x-men that
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I I feel like rehab Jane Jim Gray as a
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weirdly enough the ultimate x-men
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actually rehab jean kerr crazy character
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for me I g the well it's really cool
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that they could put a gene and storm and
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Kitty and Cyclops and Iceman they're all
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on the same they're all the same age and
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ultimate x-men so Kitty is one is on the
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team with a bunch of other x-men but
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they're all the same age which is a lot
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of fun and Kitty dates spider-man for a
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it's fun yeah and so it's you know the
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but i think the quality of ultimate
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x-men goes up and down depending on his
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um but there's there's a lot notes
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there's a lot of it's really charming
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like there's one issue where there's
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just the panel where you walk by you see
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that Scott Summers was on the phone with
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toad who has become good friends with
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despite the family go to different
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schools okay and just the fact that he's
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on the phone talking with toad and just
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jibber jabbering away is it's it's the
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most I've ever like Scott Summers
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speaking of jean grey and Scott Summers
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i cannot remember what Marvel writer
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this was but every time i hear the name
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Jean Grey I think of a Marvel writer at
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a san diego comic-con panel in probably
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87 or 88 doing an imitation of Scott
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Summers that went like this and graze
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dead again my eye
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ideally you would see the gesture we're
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with the owl you put your fists up to
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your eye and pull it out what you're
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playing for the term I'm a leader I
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leave that one of the things that
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happens with a lot of these things
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because it became so popular is finely
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marbled got the idea we need to do more
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of these they did a Wolverine miniseries
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they started the new mutants and then
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just as I was sort of getting out of
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comics for 4 15 years there was an
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explosion of new you know you get your
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ex factors in your ex calibers and all
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of that and I don't know if anybody has
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particular favorites in the spin-offs i
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will when i will mention one of mine
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I mean already mentioned the relatively
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recently the all-new x-men which is
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ironically the old x-men but now they're
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anyway i want to mention exiles because
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i read all of exiles and i and i love it
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and the premise of exiles is its x-men
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from all across multiple realities to
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form a parallel universe
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sort of like x-men team that has to go
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from parallel universe to parallel
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universe correcting I guess righting
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wrongs in parallel universes or
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something like that the premise is
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fine-tuned over time but huge amount of
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fun and and they were able to cycle
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through a lot of different alternate
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versions of characters as they went and
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kill people off because it was parallel
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universes there were always more with
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that where that came from essentially
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and it was a pretty great pretty great
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comic the first I mean I think they did
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a hundred issues of the first volume and
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i love that one a lot and it was you
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know technically an x-men comic but
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because it has an X in the X was bigger
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even though it's called exile TX was a
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large know what you know that it was
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x-men you can't spell exiles without the
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accent would just be miles anyway i
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like-like exiles like it so I'm gonna
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throw that out there any other spin-offs
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that does come to mind I'll of X Factor
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investigations is written by peter david
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especially the first 50 issues herself
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so that's x-men detective agency
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well the premises is Magic jamie madrox
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multiple man decides that he's not
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really cut out for fighting and being an
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x-men he's seen too much is to discuss
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he's he's he's got a little bit of a
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Philip Marlowe streak in him or a little
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bit of a raincheck he's a little bit
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Raymond Chandler risk and at the start
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of X Factor investigations you find out
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that what he's done is he's he created a
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bunch of dupes sent them out to do
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different things and learn as much about
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the world as possible because he wanted
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gain a greater understanding of the
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world around him and yes he does solve
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crimes for mutants or mutilated that he
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solves cases for mutants or meet related
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cases and his detective agency attracts
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a couple other people who also want
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nothing to do with with being a
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professional accidentally Morsi it's
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raining Sinclair who is will spain one
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of the new mutants who has been having a
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hard time with the whole thing and had
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to leave Xavier Academy and disgrace and
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he gets from your standard quota generic
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guy named guido who is actually quite
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funny and quite good at being you know
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and he gets amazing la who was again had
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a really weird tortured backstory
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towards the end of the mutants and into
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some of the other x-men spin-offs word
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it involves like secret autistic twins
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and a sadistic brother in another
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dimension and it just gets weird and
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incoherent and just anyway she's she's
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one of Marvel's classic you know drops
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draw bitchy one-liners and is
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conveniently very very psychic then it
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also has daughter banshees siren and /
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the quick so it's kind of volatile
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ensemble because you've got some people
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who are seen as legacy character some
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people have always been made to feel as
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johnny-come-lately needs some people who
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have felt forcibly exiled from the
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clinicians of the x-men and they deal
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with mutant culture and general culture
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at large and they also have to hunt down
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some Maddox Matt Jamie's more
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recalcitrant duplicates who don't want
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to be reabsorbed and assimilated
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Wow from early on but really all the way
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through these elements of the x-men arcs
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that are very much like a soap opera and
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you know especially a lot of the state
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you know a lot of stuff in the late
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seventies very much especially with
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Scott jeans god woman like that get free
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so but you know happen to love that I'm
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staying out of this cuz I don't causing
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trouble but i will say that i love is it
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in every one of these some of my
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favorite things with the reboots you
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know well Mabel model of time to get to
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things like new x-men astonishing x-men
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but what I love about all of those is
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that sense of family for better or for
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worse and there yet there are bits there
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are what could in some contexts be a
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cliche but like when you haven't seen
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the fastball special in awhile and
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fastball special you pump your fist
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because that's been around forever or
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you see you know in in the same way that
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like you know what like Johnny and Ben
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are always going after each other
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fantastic for these little these little
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back-and-forth and you get the feeling
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that there's it's almost a little bit
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like The Sopranos where one reason a
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good show with a big caskets good game
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of thrones Sopranos whatever anything HP
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I guess is next time you stop thinking
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about how the world revolves around the
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main guy in the main girl you get very
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interested in going to who
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like what's gonna happen this week
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between the two soprano kids in that
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relationship you don't mean in this case
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like what there's there's always there's
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warmth there's tension and there's an
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innumerable number of longtime
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storylines that can have a lot of can be
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very moving and kind of heart-tugging
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overtime so and I don't know again a
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full-time talk about astonishing x-men
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but that's where there's just pay off
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after payoff of like stuff that's been
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going on for years where you can use
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hint at these things that happen you
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know almost 20 years ago that can still
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be very resonant 4 ppm and they had
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something like joss whedon Peter bring
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out a lot of what you people call the
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fields when they brought joss whedon
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into right astonishing x-men 2004 right
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i mean his x-men that he loved and knew
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was very much the x-men from the abs and
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so it's very rare that you end up with
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somebody who really gets yeah oh yeah
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exactly i call it wasn't his it wasn't
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his deal breaker he he said I have to
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have kitty pryde you have to give me
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kitty pryde yeah yeah I believe that was
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one of the things and was not surprising
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because he's cited her so often as an
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influence for buffy the vampire slayer
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sure I started like the idea that the
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theme of this podcast has been the kitty
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practice pretty much the engine of the
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yes I think people somebody else I
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different podcast would say that it was
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it was a Wolverine but that's not this
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podcast it's it's sort of a shame she
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never broke out but maybe that's good
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maybe that's when we have her and she's
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our girl she's everywhere though right
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I'm a little surprised that she hasn't
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been prominently featured in an x-men
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movie yet but she's always kind of on
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the side while they kind of messed that
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up by taking her personality and putting
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it on road i do see but how do you back
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out of that exactly
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yeah somebody in the chat room is asking
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i think this was a this is what I wanted
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to sort of end on is if you could
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recommend something for people to read
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that too you know because one of the
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challenges I found in going back to a
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lot of the classic so-called classic
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x-men from the eighties is the way it's
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written it's so impenetrable because it
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is written like a soap opera where
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there's never a very clear into any
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story everything is always sort of
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multi-threaded and it's very hard to
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pull any of it apart to get to the
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beginning of the story and each issue is
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just like it's like an episode of Game
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of Thrones basically where there's like
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five different things going on all at
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different points and it's very hard to
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tell what what we're where you are so
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it's more than a lot of the other comics
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of that era I thought you know chris
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claremont definitely had a flowchart
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somewhere about what he was doing so I
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what I want to ask is it to anybody have
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any any things that you would recommend
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as things that people could read if this
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if this episode makes them want to get
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it try out or get back into the x-men we
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mentioned Joss Whedon's run on
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astonishing x-men which i think is
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pretty accessible i mentioned exiles and
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I mentioned businesses all-new x-men
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which i think is kind of fun
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what else are there are there other
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things out there that we we might do
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suggest people i'm gonna be hard for
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Newton's classic I was that's where i
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was going to go to starting with New
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Mutants number 26 specifically yeah
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which is where bilson cabbage is making
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the art crazy and amazing with Walker
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isn't well I don't know you could just
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started number one you're gonna get
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you're gonna meet the entire team and
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now and the great the reason i would
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recommend actually start at the
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beginning and going all the way through
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is because this book works as a great
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entry into the X universe because it has
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you introduced two different x-men and
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the whole premise of this of the whole
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premise and everybody in the whole
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universe everybody it through the eyes
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of people have gotten thrown into it
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just like the reader but you're right
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Monty it gets it gets super it gets
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super goes from being really
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conventional to be extremely weird right
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and 26 is for me where the height of the
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weirdest starts because that's where the
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multi-issue storyline of Legion had
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oh god professor X's son has every
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mutant power but he he also has every
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personality so every mutant power is
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headed by every purchase a different
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personality people have to go into his
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minded it is crazy and amazing soon to
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be an FX television series
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ok lol anyway by the way uh in Deadpool
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you briefly see that negasonic teenage
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warhead is wearing a new mutants uniform
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instead of an x-men uniform and I think
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yes teenage i think i would suggest um
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uh days the the original days of future
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yeah maybe one and I know that it's one
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of those things where instance is an
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alternate reality and it's in you know
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like a future that the may or may not
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happen and you see everyone sort of sped
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up and half the in the in you know the
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older older cells and your kitty pryde
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is now like a grown woman
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it's one of those things where you end
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up sort of reverse engineering reality
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from what's presented as a very dramatic
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alternate reality or a possible future
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but it set up so much of the tone I feel
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like of what came after at least in the
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nineties that I saw of you know that
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with the Sentinels in the just this
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feeling of being hunted that you know it
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just sort of accelerated all of that and
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I felt I remember feeling that it was
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more mature than a lot of the stuff that
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i had read until then and that it just
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was a very it ended up you know it so
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much so much i sort of flown off it over
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the years that it it feels like a
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seminal event so that's that's we issued
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141 and 142 of smack dab in the middle
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of the john byrne chris claremont air
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yeah if you want to be specific 190 when
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i looked it up i looked up that was
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super influential that that whole yeah
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the burn the burn
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I think most people would say the hover
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turn chris claremont run in uncanny
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x-men is is probably considered by
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comics needs to be the definitive set of
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issues and that includes the Dark
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Phoenix story and days of future past so
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but it's also a comic from the 19 from
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1981 so you have to come to get Union
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mindset that I was flipping through the
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giant hardback that Merlin mentioned
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earlier because i also have it Wolverine
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sure called storm abroad a lot
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he's on pc Syrian kid pushes the archie
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bunker in my beloved uncanny x-men
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annual number 5 storm actually snaps
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back at him that he you know that he
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wouldn't no tact if it came up and beat
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him over the head
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it's a lovely moment it's a special time
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in any girl's life when they when they
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transition from being a pumpkin to be in
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abroad in the Marines I sweet such as
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much quisiera some-some my lives are
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some cultures have a big felt like a
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party to mark about that day when they
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smashed the puzzle college you know
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that's how smashing pumpkins that's sure
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it's the right turns out turns out I i
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am you know III there's part of me that
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you know what's the point people back to
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giant-size x-men just because i have a
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lot of affinity for that but i gotta to
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that are super obvious because i do not
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have the deep catalog which all have I
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gotta say astonishing x-men gifted the
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just Whedon and is jon cassidy yeah one
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that's me is like the prisoner of
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azkaban of x-men that's the one where
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you know no matter if you if you've
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never like had a lick of this stuff if
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you if you're totally new to this
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it's surprisingly gettable fairly
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quickly if you're super confused there
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are resources figure for figuring it out
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but like there's great storytelling in
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that where you don't need to know that
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that much when when when Wolverine shows
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up you get that he and Scott have a past
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having to do with Jean you do not need
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wikipedia to figure that out you will
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figure that out but astonishing x-men
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has a better so again like prisoner of
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azkaban which i consider the best of the
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books and movies Harry Potter um it's
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one where like if you if you are into
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only satisfying it's kind of right in
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the pocket it's not it's not too it's
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it's not too complicated but astonishing
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accident but if you stick with it
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through all the volumes you'll get to
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some very you'll really get that even if
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you haven't been with x-men for long
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you're going to get super attached to
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these characters and their their their
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wonderful skills are on full display
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you know and by the end of the other one
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is like it's coming from the other angle
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if you're somebody who's like oh yeah
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i've read a couple image titles and I
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don't like superheroes i'm just going to
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say try new x-men you'll actually I
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think you'll appreciate astonishing
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x-men a lot more if you have read new
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x-men new x-men is really really weird
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and I think you know grant morrison has
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tractors for apparently very good
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reasons and rioted saviors storyline all
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the stuff with the don't spoil anything
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but some some really creative pretty
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hallucinogenic there's one issue very
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famous issues currently on my iPad lock
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screen with it is done i think it has
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maybe one dialogue balloons in the
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entire thing it's done completely with
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the most hallucinogenic mainstream comic
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art you're likely to see but very well
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execute crazy amounts of like super
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string storytelling and also very
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important that if it matters to you
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I think this might be where I feel like
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this is where Emma like first starts
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really helping out she realizes there's
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some stuff for she has unique skills
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that could really help people
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this is when I think this is one point
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when she really becomes part of the team
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and it's also guys was hugely into vegas
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alongside Ultimates but very influential
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on the movie so if you like the the
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leather boy uniforms and those movies
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you like these but i thought was great i
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thought it was a nice development of all
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the characters over x the new x-men by
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Grant Morrison and mostly frank quitely
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and then but the primary 1i can say
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without reservation is start with
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astonishing x-men gifted with the just
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Whedon and John Cassady yeah i totally
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agree on new x-men 2 i loved i also love
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the introduction of new characters in
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new x-men i love the separate cookies
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oh yeah all god that's great it's the
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hivemind to hive mind uh it's Emma Frost
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hivemind babies yeah yeah because we
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find out later that they were they were
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closed without her consent and
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permission or knowledge and that there's
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there's originally there's five of them
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and they're they're mean girls and their
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delightful it's if these are series that
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i did not even know existed and now i'm
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just-just feeling my money just run out
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do you know are all these available / um
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which is a marvel yes I was going to
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mention if you really want to dive into
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the x-men the best way to do it is to
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get Marvel a minute
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it's such a bargain such a party yeah it
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is so if you're if you are thinking of
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doing a deep dive marvel unlimited you
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can you it's ten dollars a month so if
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you want to just try it for a month for
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ten dollars you get access to as many
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issues as you can read in the month for
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ten dollars and if if you're at all
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intrigued by it i believe it's sixty
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nine dollars a year but i will tell you
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reading sixty nine dollars worth of new
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comics will take you like a half an hour
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so if you use a if you use it at all the
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yearly i use the yearly plan for that
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and it's a great deal because if i read
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like 15 comics I've basically paid for a
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year and then I've got the rest of the
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year to read even more comics but
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certainly it's a great deal at ten
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dollars if you want to dive back into
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the x-men archive because most of this
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i do recommend having a tablet because
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it feels right it's the right side yes
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yeah i agree i love reading it on my
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iPad but one thing I feel like I want to
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stipulate for myself you know if you
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want to get all John syracuse about this
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yes you absolutely can go back and read
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I'm gonna say don't there's a good let's
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call it 12 years of x-men you could read
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it there's lots of great stuff you get
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to learn about you know you learn about
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magneto you get to learn about you know
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all kinds of stuff like your don't feel
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like you have to read is don't feel like
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you have to rely didn't mention even
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like even if you want to start at the
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beginning of the x-men is such a
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tortured history it was the wikipedia
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article says and I don't know if this is
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actually true but in knowing what I know
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about the early days of Marvel Comics I
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believe it that the x-men was invented
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because Stanley was tired of it
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finding new origins for characters and
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it's AP and they were born with it yeah
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that's it haha excels regardless which
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it was it was the weakest of all of the
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you think of the core more the reason
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people in the eighties had never heard
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of the x-men was because the x-men was
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the flop of all of those Stanley Jack
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Kirby comics made in the sixties and
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then it went into rerun it had actual
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reruns in their issues by they were
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buying monthly and they were doing
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reprints at to keep it in print but it
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was basically they wouldn't even invest
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any time it or and money and making new
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stories and then if you must be a
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completist i would say then what what
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happened was they did giant-size x-men
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number one and then that led to the
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revival of uncanny x-men that's when the
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new x-men were introduced and and those
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are the ones that we know that's your
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Wolverine Nightcrawler storm era it's
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it's a it's a it's there so that is in
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many ways where it started off in
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reading those old issues on Marvel
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unlimited is hilarious because you you
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see her for quite a while they were
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still bimonthly so it was a low-priority
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comic but at least it existed and then
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there's the period where it rapidly
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accelerates into becoming a phenomenon
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and you can you can see it happen
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whether we're going to be monthly now
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and and it became a priority for Marvel
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and as it as it became more popular but
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it was not it was a slow burn with the
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x-men it took a good 15 years for it to
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alright well we should probably wrap it
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up this has been a great delving into
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into into mutant kind and I'm sure we'll
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