304: Law of Diminishing Ninja Returns
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the incomparable number 304 2 2016
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welcome back everybody to the
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incomparable we're gonna do a special
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episode about the TV season pass now you
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know technically the TV season is
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endless and it never stops and there's
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always new stuff on now even in the
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summertime but we're going to take this
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moment sort of for tradition sake you
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gotta draw a line somewhere and the
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traditional broadcast network TV season
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did just end and so we're going to do a
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couple episodes in the next month or so
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about television sort of wrapping up
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general interest like lots of different
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stuff and I decided there was so much in
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this times in these times of confusion
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times of peak TV that we would take the
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superhero ish kind of shows and throw
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them all in a pot and do an episode
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about them and that's this episode so
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joining me to talk about the the year
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gone by in superhero TV and other comic
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book related TV it's a fine panel of
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guest dan morgan is here
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hi dan I Jason pleasure to be here from
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i should say from the arrow cast yes
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from the flash flash cast is mr.
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philipose lachrymose high and also for
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the flash flash cast Lisa Schmeisser
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and also from the flash flash cast at
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Stony sindelar culinary arts we roll
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deep that's how we do it all right yeah
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I feel outnumbered
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yeah well where the point I'd like maybe
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time fragments yeah motivation two most
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most also has a has the daredevil rewind
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pin on his chest so he's a he's got he's
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got a lot of superheroes that he's
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covering and also joining us a guy who's
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not in any flash cast about superheroes
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because he saves that for dragons and
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ice zombies it's Monty actually I'm
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auntie I spent the last five years
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trapped on a hellish podcast I'm just
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adopting Monty for my arrow forever be
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honorary arrow cast this text I worry
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that money's gonna spend this entire
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podcast flashing back to this five years
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of good and we're just gonna be like why
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is this relevant design and such a weird
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week i'm awake when your podcasting I
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like money but this the flashbacks in
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and I'm not as useful as facial hair
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keeps changing my grows out if that's
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hey we're plugging superhero related
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stuff we do i would say i right about
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arrow and Gotham and marvel's agents of
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shield on previously not TV excellent
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well done while plugged guys I'm
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actually jason from episode to thousands
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of the incomparable an immortal mad man
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killed my family and I've come back in
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time for unspecified reasons to change
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history so said I've chosen all of you
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to be my champions because of on-again
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unspecified reasons that i was going on
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with everything that's one word for
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expected for the expendable ones i guess
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if you do have the dust you're just
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changing the present but you'll be
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legends that sounds like a show it's
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gonna be really really good
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I mean really excited about that kind of
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show I'm not that excited about the
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other nine people that have been chosen
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with me know when he was gonna yeah
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development i think i think in the next
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season our show will be much better
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I don't want to be trapped on a
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spaceship with dan take that
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so let's let's uh start with we'll do
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some check-ins on shows that of that are
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already exist before we go to the the
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new shows already existed i saw the
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flashing arrow we mentioned we obviously
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we've got people here who talked about
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those shows weekly on the TV podcast
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from the incomparable if you don't know
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about it you should check it out we
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recap and review lots and lots of show
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is on the TV podcast including some
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superhero shows uh so what why don't we
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start with those two since they're kind
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of in this connected universe and and
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returning shows what everybody think
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about the season of arrow as a whole
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let's start there since we've got a
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monte and Dan especially representing
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the deep focus on the arrow show but I
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know everybody watched it so what do you
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guys think of this season of arrow neal
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mcdonough know is you're not around
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pronounce his name but he's great deal
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McConaughey's even fantastic
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yes he made this season if you thank God
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for neal mcdonough because after last
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year's wet blanket that was Michelle
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yeah it was a low bar to clear but he
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cleared it with room to spare
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by like a guy who enjoys being able
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really evil with a smile on his face
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did you guys see season 3 of justified
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yeah like this is kind of becoming his
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bread-and-butter and I for one applaud
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he's he enjoys eating scenery at a
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tremendous rate I'm totally okay with
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that and he just he really it's
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fascinating to me I mean he was credited
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in all of the he appeared in almost
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every episode in season except for a few
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and he's credited special appearance by
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and everyone which makes me wonder if
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they just shoveled a whole lot of cash
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in his direction i had several moments
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where I thought to myself how did arrow
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a forward meal McDonough because he's
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way lyric video but he's I mean hey he
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was worth every penny day yeah i agree i
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greedy the importance of having a good
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villain and the villain ideally the
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villain has some kind of plan and yeah
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it's gonna be flawed because they're
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gonna have to be foiled but they gotta
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flash they gotta have a plan and then
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and ideally you've got to just enjoy how
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to chew the scenery and you know Damien
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dark cup with a name like that he's got
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to be a good villain and he was really
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want darhk that ax ya strange the ages
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now hold on real quick before we start
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putting a bunch of feathers in Arrow's
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cap was well well then it doesn't mind
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dan I know I'm doing things like you
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normally do the fetish to help with
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stability of your that's right now most
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you know I have guy English in my closet
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right now so that you guys are you on
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the show arrow was a punching above its
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weight with nukes agents of shield and
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Gotham and arrow all head nuclear weapon
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plots going on at the end of the season
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only arrow decided it was a good idea
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for an eight o'clock show to blow up a
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city and say oh tens of thousands of
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people are dead off-screen and they
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don't even mention it the flash
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university systems near
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there's nothing there's just there's
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major issues going on there i guess but
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i guess i think the problem you know if
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the Pharaoh had any problems leading up
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to the end of the season
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I think what's great about Damien dark
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is that he does have an agenda he is the
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hero of his own story told me in a way
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that in the way that racial goal was
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just like super concerned about like org
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charts and it i think that will work
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well that worked well i agree that I
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feel like they try to amp it up to a
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degree that wasn't maybe wasn't
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necessary and didn't mean that some of
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the stuff in the in the finale fell a
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little flat I felt fail the final
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confrontation was kind of anticlimactic
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after you after you pulled out nukes
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like really where do you have to go
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after that and it is weird
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unless that in 2000 nukes unless you end
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up making that anything like for the
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next season unless you're setting
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I to just do that as sort of an example
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of how evil the sky is and how much he's
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powered up now like I don't know it
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seemed it seemed unnecessary Lee like
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what's the word I'm looking for
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it just it seems like a raise the stakes
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a little bit too much I felt like we
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were right back in the eighties with all
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the nuclear cold war stuff going on this
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this year does it does everything have
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to be the end of the world I mean that
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was the other thought that is also
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seemed awfully prosaic that that it was
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going to be nuclear weapons blowing
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everything up when this is a super magic
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guy i kinda for it figured that would
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lead to some horrible magic thing he
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would do but no that's not it its
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computers that can take over magically
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can take over guess there's the magic
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it's the computers must be magical to be
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able to launch every single nuclear
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missile in the world but they they they
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are boy they really these city shows
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really don't know anything about
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computers they really you have the techs
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eteam as we refer to them on the arrow
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verse cast they yeah they should not be
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there as far as they're concerned
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apparently all technology is
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indistinguishable from magic
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yeah I will be interested to see if they
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deal with the aftermath of the entire
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world's nuclear arsenal being lost right
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as i'm pretty sure what happened was all
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15,000 nuclear missiles were launched
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they were going to take exactly two hour
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to reach their destination except for
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one which was going to reach star city
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in 45 minutes and make a foiled by a
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handheld camera and a tablet all 15,000
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other missiles got their horizon flipped
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upside down so they thought they were
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supposed to go into space instead of
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down to earth which is not how gravity
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works that's not how to clear missiles
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working but they all went into space for
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now there are no nukes left on earth
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enero or presumably flash you would
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think that would have some kind of
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effect on and spaces irradiated that was
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also the aliens come next season and
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they're really mad like you believed to
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live in the solar system Citadel say
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Green Lantern's gonna write us a ticket
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will be right and jon jones is gonna
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show up and be like seriously people
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he's got mad so I thought I thought
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arrow have a stronger year than the year
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before I thought the flashback for kind
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of ridiculous but we're working point
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now where next season presumably they're
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basically gonna have to tell a story
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that leads up to the first episode of
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the first season I'm kind of looking
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forward to that although i suspect it
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still will be unnecessary I would be
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happy if they drop the flash back and
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seat entirely i'm also really amused by
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the idea that in the sixth season
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they'll have to come up with some other
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conceit or flashback to the middle of
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the first season of arrow we got a guy
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English has been advocating for that
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since like day one but i think well I
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mean just drop it at that point there's
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no reason not to use your unnecessarily
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constrained by it and you really you
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have a great idea for two years and they
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were down to like two minutes of
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flashbacks per episode in this last
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season they did not have enough story
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and they did women try when you've done
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it for four out of the five years I can
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see why you feel like you need to wrap
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it up but yeah I think after season five
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maybe just let it go
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I like the couple of episodes where the
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flashbacks worked all over on the is
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diggle diggle had some good ones
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yeah there's one yeah they wanted to
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others too but yeah I think in there
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wanted to episode where they dropped
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entirely and you have to be and you're
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like I really did not miss this flight i
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can go through a little praise to some
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of the supporting cast a narrow I i'm
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constantly impressed by the supporting
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cast a narrow especially Diggle and
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Felicity I think those are our
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characters that brings so much dimension
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to the part they make the leading man
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look better because
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they give him things to play off of and
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know that the way that they interact
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with Oliver i think is a I think it's a
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that something got some good they got
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they got whether it's luck or things a
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little bit of luck and then also the
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wisdom to see what they had but those
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those are those actors are both very
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good and the characters really help that
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show i think that would be that show
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would be not watchable like thinking
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maybe i would argue if you didn't have
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such a great sort of trio at the at the
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core of it with with Diggle and Felicity
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along with all of her and they had a
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great season arc I mean at the end of
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yeah i mean comparing it to other things
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like the flash they actually had a full
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season arc that yeah didn't seem to
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stammer yeah they really did run right
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through and they will they had I mean I
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think they ran right through for the
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most part there were a couple hiccups
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here and there but they stuck to the
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main plot he Damon dark shows up in
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episode 1 and you know is evil and then
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basically you know we unfold that
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through the course of the season there's
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a couple other good little mini arcs in
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there there's some dumb arcs I think we
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all probably agree that the I can't tell
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my girlfriend about my filmmaking
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community high on the ark was silly i
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think they were just trying to back out
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of Oliver marrying Felicity which by the
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shouldn't we be married by now she seems
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to have completely forgiven him but the
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marriage did not go back on
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well you know sometimes people feel very
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strongly when they're like two about
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illegitimate love children loves fickle
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as we know as we now still better still
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better season than last year's numero
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oh absolutely this is yeah i'm really
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enjoying Felicity's mother and Curtis
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Holt's yeah well that's fantastic
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both of them are enthusiastic about
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things and not mopey usually which I
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love mom smokes so much I do she's the
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greatest and i have i've enjoyed every
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every episode she's been in the minute
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she shows up on screen charlotte ross is
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a pretty underrated player in this
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university that's me
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she's great and Jean Paul Blackthorne to
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rr4 yeah that's all i can say is that
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she even makes Paul Blackthorne is
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character sort of interesting which for
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me is a big thing because I i think they
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should kill them off
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couple seasons ago I find him when I
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find him completely useless and boring i
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hope maybe you know with with the the
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Oliver Queen administration potentially
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coming up in season five maybe they'll
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give him something to do that will make
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them interesting but as the cop on the
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murdered yeah he has a heart condition
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only when it's convenient I'm coming for
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he's also the list of open topic in the
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world record for the first few seasons
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he's got a lot on his mind
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uh-huh what he wasn't his daughters keep
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getting killed me back in the day
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beautiful beginning coming back from the
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dead and becoming assassins and bringing
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home girlfriends were heir to the dragon
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tough like I was gonna say that i'm
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looking forward to season five I am
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really kind of interested in the Oliver
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as the mayor of Star City Art which i
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believe was an Arsenal in the comics I
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don't know I just like the idea of
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balancing like we we got very little of
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Oliver Queen this season like it really
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was very centric on you know he is the
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green arrow right that's his identity
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and we didn't have to have been
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balancing as much as he did in some of
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the early seasons and I think this is a
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new interesting and wrinkle for that how
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do you fight crime and be the mayor I
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love that the secret identity wrinkle of
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like it's not just that he's a person
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with a secret identity he's the mayor of
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the city with and he's also a superhero
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I bet that's where you get away with its
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great hello I'm looking for the police
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commissioner meetings where be running
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against the light of your like I
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promised your council meeting and police
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scanner goes off near like guys can we
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to table this 40 little bit i gotta go
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but you have really specific crime stats
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like this guy got married last night
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like what you doing about that
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yeah before we leave I will say I'm so
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happy there's as much John Barrowman as
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there is yeah always happy when he shows
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up he's not even a villain anymore you
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know released being Thea's father he's a
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persistent nuisance more than anything
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else which is enjoyable when he's a
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special kind of helicopter parent
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check the tiger mom little bit
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alright let's move on and talk about the
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flash than me at the arrows a parent
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obviously the flash cast covered this
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well episode by episode III I get the
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sense from everybody that the general
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feeling is that season 2 did not go as
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well as season one did would that be
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accurate to say what's our general when
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oh man that's generous
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I have been thinking about this because
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part of the problem is it's they didn't
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have a very strong feeling this season
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zoom was mostly incomprehensible and a
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lot of his motivation was opaque and
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best and I feel like this this season
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was a lot of dropped potential and the
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things that were already problems
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emerging in season when we're not
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addressed in season two for example the
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flashes serious problems when characters
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and it only got worse this year so it
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was disappointing that way they didn't
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have a good big bad and they try think
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they bit off more than they could chew
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with a bunch of the things that they
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want to explore i enjoyed watching parts
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and every episode but by the end of the
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season I was like okay let's regroup
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plus pullback whoever has been doing
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double time on legends of tomorrow and
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just give them one job and some to who
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it was a sophomore slump and I blame
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because i don't want to blame flash I
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blame that sucky show legend very good
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for screwing up a great show but who
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yeah I I early in the season I was
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willing to chalk it up to legends of
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tomorrow launching and that being a
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problem but now you almost have to say
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like did they was there a brain drain or
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something that distracted them my and
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I'm starting to think that's too that's
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too much of an excuse that for me to
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give to them that fact is a structural
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issues there hmm
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and we're pacing and a villain who to go
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back to Damien dark villain unlike
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Damien dark who it has no clear plan or
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even maybe he just doesn't make sense in
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fact they keep seeing kept him to change
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what he was up to
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he disappears for long he's very fast
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you can be anywhere immediately but he
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disappears for long stretches of time
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where he seems to not be around only
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because it's inconvenient for him to be
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around and there's never any explanation
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like I always I always said in our slack
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channel he he's gets very hungry he goes
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to buffalo wild wings he's watching
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sports on the TV
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it's like 80 plates wings and then he
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comes back he doesn't dine and dash of
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Buffalo one's the best explanation for
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zoom is buffalo wild wings and that is a
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problem is what i'm saying is also
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inconvenient when he's around like in
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that one episode where they have to make
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the formula to steal Barry speed to give
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to me to sit around watching do stuff
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I'm a scientist who will just watching
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science and about why i think that may
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be the most awkward scene it was a
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season where he was like i'm hanging out
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i'll tell you something that may be the
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same episode where he instructs his a
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one of his villains to attack to kill
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all the all the police jitters but don't
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do it now do it we'll do it tonight
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like why wait like what is there like
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Derek enforcement community centers
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where it's prime time you want the
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ratings in primetime so you always just
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there's so much about that that's just
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so everything about zoom which is
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battling an incomprehensible because the
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he's like yeah you're not a hero Barry
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Allen he breaks his back and it's all
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very dramatic and you're like oh this is
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a guy with a real hate on for moral
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codes but by like the last but by the
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finale and you have too many dads and
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I'm angry that you had a better
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childhood and you turned out better than
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I did and I'm going to kill your dad
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because that will make you even like
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wait what we turn them into a crazy
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serial killer maybe I want you to be
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evil or maybe I want to destroy the
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universe it's unclear maybe just want
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your skin maybe it's here
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so here's the thing i think too much
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stuff was put to service of the of the
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twist right like of the they worked
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really well in the first season where
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they had the sort of lurking dramatic
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irony of like and we all know that that
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that Harrison wells is evil and that
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slowly unfolded over the course of the
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season and that works really well and
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they felt like hey maybe like they want
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to sort of the M night Shyamalan area of
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like hey we need to twist and let's have
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like they talked about the fact that
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they like this is exactly what happened
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to him last year but that doesn't really
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observe them from trying to use the
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exact same plot beats and so I think too
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much was was made subservient to this
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idea of like we want to set up this jay
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iid feel like this was an idea they had
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early on and then they just had to like
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shove a lot of stuff into weird places
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to make that what they thought make that
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there's so many weird side tangent
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states they take that make any sense I
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think I kept waiting for there to be the
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scene where it's like where he takes
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Kayla and shows her the earth 111like
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read a book in the oh yeah and the part
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and that that never that never goes
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anywhere that never makes any sense that
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scene was just there so comic book
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readers would go oh ok so Jay Garrick is
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professor zoom then because that's 400
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all of his professor zoom so you're
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tipping us off and that's just not fair
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it's not fair at all that they that they
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did that like there is no chance service
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well there's street justice and I
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there's only one guy that I know that
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does street justice right so let's just
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be honest it's daredevil but anyway the
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UH so what what I want to praise some
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things about the flash though because
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although i think they could totally do
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it on the on the ark in the villain what
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I think they did well is in the
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multiverse concept they did they had a
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lot of fun playing with doppelgangers I
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thought they did a really good job with
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doppelgangers I thought they did a
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fantastic creative job of giving Tom
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Cavanagh different Harrison wells to
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play he did a great job with the second
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hair cells so great-looking character
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from your thoughts MVP Tom Cavanagh hehe
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really owned in season one you had the
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evil Harrison wells who is friendly and
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four season do they have the mean
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Harrison wells who is good
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and as long as they can keep trotting
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tom cavanagh out i'm gonna be happy yeah
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like incision to he learns how to be a
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real boy in season 1 yards on is like I
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didn't want to actually like you people
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and that I I like Tom Cavanagh can play
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the heck out of those scenes so he can
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do is I really like Jesse Martin's work
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this season and I liked when they
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introduced the son he never knew he had
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and although the the street racing plot
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was really dumb like really dumb AI I
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think after all these weird weirdish
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introduction I like that things were
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awkward with him and bury it first i
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like how to become less so until by the
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end while he's like no we're part of the
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same family and I liked that a lot
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I still feel like irises is just nobody
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in the writers miss adopt you know I
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look it's so first I'll idea i watch the
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show every week with my girlfriend and
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she is incensed every weekend likes to
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point out every week the flaws in that
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and and and you know to give credit when
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they do occasionally do a good job she
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liked in particular I think the episode
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is the second time that he's lost his
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speed the one with the zombie girder
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yeah yeah like they actually that was
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like one of the better episodes this
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season I felt like and she felt that the
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they actually gave her you know agency
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and stuff to do in that episode also the
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episode her doppelganger in particular I
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feel like was a lot of fun so IE but
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overall both her and caitlin who is just
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you know Caitlin just perennial like her
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love interest is going to be evil /
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murdered his boyfriend is the drummer of
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iris fundamentally she and Barry were
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raised as brother and sister she can't
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be the love interest that gross stop it
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the flash is supposed to be a happy for
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color cheerful world
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yeah i agree with hand do the hat and
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iris loses all of her her agency and
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other there's that terrible scene where
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she and Caitlin are talking and it is
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the anti back l test scene because all
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they're talking about is Barry they have
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all this other stuff going on
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and literally what iris is saying is
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well you know I've always sort of been
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vaguely interested in Barry but not but
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now that I've seen that in parallel
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universes and potential futures we're
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together I guess I should just give up
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and settle for bearing it's like it's
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futurama episode it's awful like I hate
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that she's like well since somebody saw
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holographic newspaper where I had a
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different byline back from this parallel
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universe when told me that I'm married
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to Baron were apparently quite happy
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like I iris your reporter check the
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primary sources and just yeah she's such
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a great reporter that she dates her boss
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lady oh oh my god that was the worst
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then i will drop that is a little strong
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have to work this out it's awful because
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the boss is the one who is egregiously
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inappropriate like all the way down the
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line like he crosses the line at every
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oh I was unaware this is an actual
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legitimate professional conversation I
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thought that we were here so i could put
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the moves on you and as if that's not
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bad enough the end of the episode
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wouldn't mind if you made a pass at me
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with no yeah no yeah no it's not good
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what do you mean let me all right let me
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make this suggestion for season 3 what
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if we just somehow like what if this
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Irish mr. Lee goes mysteriously goes
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missing and we get earth to Iris over
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here and it's like okay look you saw a
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lot of problems she wasn't raised with
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Barry so they can be love interest
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except that she's gonna miss her husband
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Barry whatever here we can you tell
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stories based on the way back to his
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home wanna look like it's like the Black
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Canary play where the first black canary
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actually like in the widow danbury
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that's how she felt so here's one of the
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things that I think is interesting about
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about the flash and arrow arrow arrow is
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a show where they don't have any mentors
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right he always out there doing it
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chinese dude from the eye with Felicity
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and you have the island with Felicity
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and with a with Diggle he's got he's got
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a good support system who works with him
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on the flash it's different it's a
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different scenario he's got his dad's as
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lisa says my three dads science dead and
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police dad in prison dad who became
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released from prison log cabin and then
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rolling stone dead dad but that but so
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sad but I some and that part of the show
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I think works great right i mean we'd
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see Tom Cavanagh and jesse l martin
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again they're like the MVPs of that show
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I really anchor the grant gustin's Barry
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Allen it's really good
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the problem with the flash is that they
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have some issues with a lot of the
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supporting characters they've done some
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good rehab on cisco who got who got some
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five powers this year and that was
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really good but yea Kaitlyn and iris are
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our in trouble and it means that again
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yes what we've got is if I Jesse quick
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actually I thought was a more
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interesting and had a female character
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with depth then the two characters that
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we had for two seasons now which is
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so I don't know what they're gonna do
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next season i hope they get it i hope
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they get it back together because it
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when that show is fun and happy it is
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the best and I I don't know quite why
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they went so far off the ground what if
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so much me reset everything and start
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hmm again love it Tony I love it I love
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that idea let's do that because remember
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everything you've been talking about
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everything that we liked about season
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one in fair the things that we loved
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about season one how would you feel
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about just watching a season that's all
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I don't think I want to do that is you
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don't want to do it either but every
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scene is the same so it's just running
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at you i appreciate its just a
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procedural will jog a lot doesn't seem
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like maybe the part of the at the very
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end of this season was intended as like
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oh crap we just wrote herself into a
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terrible season let's just quick pull
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the ripcord that the one thing that
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makes the flash appealing to me is that
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they're willing to go for it like I felt
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like that in season one where they were
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like okay I don't know what we're
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alright hit the big red button for
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alternate universes already but no hit
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boom go crazy for me that Cisco's role
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on the show is he's there to remind
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people this is a full-on comic book show
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we're going nuts as often as possible
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which is kind of way I still enjoy the
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flash more than arrow where it took them
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four season to say what we
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just call him green arrow right people
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there's a build all right let's uh let's
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move on from the Berlin diverse for a
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little while and go to some other real
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returning shows some shows that are not
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not not new in the past year
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let's check in before we before we leave
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the DC Comics world behind
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let's check in with Gotham on Fox
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hey I haven't I gave up on and season
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one I heard a lot of people say season
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who out there is seen Gotham and would
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like to talk about Gotham i have a
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healthy relationship with all Batman
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hello Tony simple hi Tony hi I'm still
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watching off them I it's actually it's
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better I don't know why I stayed with it
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but I think they look up i'm glad to
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stop punishing before that
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yeah it's not as many shows in the next
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some of the shows that it continues to
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be are actually covered wagon fun
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uh yeah and i think it may have found
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it's a it's group
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I'm i would i'm interested to see where
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it's going it's it it is not the crazy
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garbage file instead it is like it's a
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spectacular train wreck a train wreck is
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on Rails the first half of this season I
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thought was still not fantastic but
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sometimes they came back after like that
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midseason hiatus and I really felt like
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they had like.we we picked the lane
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basically like we've decided which of
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eight million different shows that we
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we're going to focus on this thing
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everything was kind of related which
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actually really helped everything sort
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of focus around this idea of Arkham
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Asylum and Hugo Strange and that really
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unified a lot of storylines brought a
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lot of characters into contact to rather
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than having them all off in their
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different stories beauty wang as he's
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rangy on about a very dark he was
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fantastic yeah it's really good
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another good scenery-chewing I continue
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to enjoy Harvey Bullock i will always
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enjoy Donal Logue pretty much anything
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he does he's great he has i really
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enjoyed the AV club reviews of him just
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have every week eh nevermind the
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Bullock's section where they just have
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his wacky his quote of the week they
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really cut back on this season though
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didn't they yeah yeah a little sad but
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he's still around which is good
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and i enjoy i also enjoy Sean Pertwee is
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as Alfred I really and he's kind of an
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easy very different Alfred I think from
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the one that were used to and he's he's
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definitely fun to watch especially
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there's some episode we got into like a
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like a street fight with a guy named was
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eating my cupcake or something yes it
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was amazing that was a really great
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upset one thing that I have enjoyed
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about this season is that at
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in the first episode in the pilot
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episode of Gotham you saw the Riddler
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and he was introduced by saying
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essentially hi I'm Edward nigga
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riddle me this I enjoy your rental is
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going to turn into I liked him in season
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one that I thought he was overdoing it
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season one in season two I love that guy
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he is so great now there's a scene
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towards the end of the season where
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selina kyle is breaking into Arkham
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Asylum while he's trying to break out
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and they're both in the vents and they
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bump into each other and they don't
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really know each other so he's like your
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that cat burglar girl she's like your
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that police forensics guy do you know
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where you're going
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uh yeah over there okay well see ya and
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it's such a fun scene i enjoy when he
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gets caught red-handed trying to dig up
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a corpse in the woods
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yeah and it's just like I crap yep he's
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penguin is great at this point I really
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enjoyed penguin penguin sidekick butch
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yes is really great like there's a lot
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of really fun villains on the show which
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is what you want what I want
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well in the the sort of guy I thought
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that the whole introduction of theo
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galavan in the first half of the season
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was kind of weak and then they basically
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like off him and then bring him back as
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as rail which is super weird but also
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kind of hilarious
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yeah well one thing that's great about
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Hugo Strange was he was bringing people
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back to life and he was brainwashing
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people and you realize he's actually
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pretty bad at this
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like he was brainwashing people to be to
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no longer be sociopaths and sending them
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out into the world and inside of two
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scenes they're like oh wait no I and I'm
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a sociopath nevermind science is not an
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I think I've got weird and fun sometime
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during the second season I'm gonna have
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to go watch it now yeah I was also happy
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because i thought at the start of season
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two like oh it looks like they might do
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the court of owls and then it looks like
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they wouldn't and now it looks like they
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did it again so if you've read the
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comics that's extra excited i will say
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my least favorite part of the show is
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Bruce Wayne it partly some Batman's in
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nobody young Bruce Wayne is like 13 show
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oh and the problem is that he keeps
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wanting to go to bat many things like
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I'm gonna go to live on the streets so i
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know what it's like out there like
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understand crime now it says well young
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master Bruce you work for
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I work for you so even though I'm your
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legal guardian I can't stop you boy
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well and I think that the fundamental
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problem this show as I think I mentioned
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last season is a if the show ends with
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Bruce Wayne becoming Batman then
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fundamentally nothing in this show has
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really mattered because if the whole
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point is like you know your focus they
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spend so much time focused on Jim Gordon
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and Jim Gordon's attempt to sort of like
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clean up the city when in fact it's
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really just about the downward spiral
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and corruption it was not he's not doing
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no Jim Gordon has one of the weaker
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storylines this year and also liked his
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career doesn't make any sense
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well he doesn't have a career he's been
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in jail a couple of times and he just
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quit and left town also a baby
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it does make me a little concerned that
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by the time in the Gotham you universe
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when Bruce Wayne actually becomes Batman
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like all of his villains are like elder
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later their way to elderly to really be
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success maybe maybe Jim Gordon will
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become Batman for a while here I know
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that happened the comics reason Alex
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yeah that there's no need for Batman in
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this world this Riddler is not so subtle
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that they need a supergenius to solve
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what he's saying let's uh let's leave
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Gotham behind although I am intrigued by
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the fact that that it got better and
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talk about some of the Marvel properties
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agents of shield for its what is this
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the fourth season of asians you
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something like that feels right and then
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we'll we'll talk about season two basic
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agent Carter to so ages of shield
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yeah uh how was yet how how was it how
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was that iÃve seen the first half of
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the season and I haven't seen the second
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half yet but you know don't worry about
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me but I'm just kind of curious how
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how do people think think it went and
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had some really good scenes
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overall it felt weird it's disappointing
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because kyle maclachlan was no longer on
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the show being awesome right
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but for instance they wrote the
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characters are hunter and Bobbi off the
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show because they thought they were
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going to get a spin-off spin-off we
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didn't get twice I think
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yeah but the scene where they've been
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disavowed and this time for real and no
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one can never talk to them again that
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episode ended with a really really good
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totally agree where they're turned Bobby
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ran a bar they look around they see
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every other member of the team and they
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all raised their glasses
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yeah it's it's funny because then if you
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decide because they didn't get a
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spin-off that they need to be back on
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the show walking that scene back really
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yeah just suck those tears baby i gave
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up on the show halfway through the
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season so I just say it does seem like
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it took them three and a half years to
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get to embrace the fact that
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super-powered people were were were part
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of the universe like this was the sort
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of like what we're saying that Gotham
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it's like hey you know what's great
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about the Marvel Cinematic Universe not
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the superhero part and uh but finally
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with with shield day they sort of
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embrace that with the Inhumans plot and
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having a sky / daisy you know have her
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however I yeah I know but for those who
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gave up which is half of the people she
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used to be skyping another color Daisy
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because love character laundering she's
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got earthquake power i strongly believe
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that you call someone by the name they
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wish to be called her name is Stacy
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Johnson yes it is actually
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I that was actually an interesting plot
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line as some characters kept forgetting
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that you didn't matter at her
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yes and when she went to grant Ward who
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is now dead and possessed by an ancient
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evil alien inhuman that maybe the recent
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hydro was formed in the first place or
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possibly not that seems like a stretch
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that they pulled back he kept calling
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her sky and even though she was now
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brainwashed by him she kept correcting
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which I thought was really fun I i did
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like that episode and I know a lot of
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people praise that there was that
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episode that it focuses on the the on
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the alien planet where they wear
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yeah was it isn't Simmons is trapped in
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the alien planet with the astronaut and
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there's a monster and it was a nice
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change of the blue the blue planet the
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planet where there's never any Sun it's
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just blue light all the time i was at
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yeah i was a really great yeah it's hard
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to mean obviously it's hard to pull off
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something like that every single week
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because it's you know specifically set
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up to like break the formula sure but it
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is really nice that they've shown the
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confidence to be able to do that I think
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some of the action scenes came up with
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this this year I think they did a nice
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job with some of those especially adding
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the powers into the mix there's a pretty
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good fight later on that involves the
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easy using her powers which is a pretty
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is really really well choreographed
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there's a couple nice twists and turns
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in terms of like sort of how they deal
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with the eventual villain problems and
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like managed to tie up like another plot
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line at the same time and I think that
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there's there's some solid character
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work here and there from i really like
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mac i know he is not the most popular
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characters but I really is not him he's
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great i know a lot of people who don't
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like him but I i really enjoy him
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especially was right yeah it's ongoing
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quest for a shotgun x which he got in
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the final episode that looks grote he
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gets one earlier on that he's just like
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tapes and ax ya shotgun is pretty great
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that was really that like you should
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really liked that episode with him and
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his brother I thought that was a good
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yeah I'm so there's some really solid
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character kits it's an uneven show in
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some ways and it doesn't quite hit the
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the lows or the highs that's a Gotham
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hits like atoms like wildly uneven and
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agent agent of shield I think waivers a
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little more like a little less from that
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center line right like it's it's may not
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be quite as good but it's also
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definitely not quite as like terrible
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and its first moments see and Dan
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I've caught you know what you said is
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perfect is the unevenness and I've said
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this before have caught heat for it
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which is that Marvel agents of shield
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which is a weird name but is essentially
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a kind of a carry through or a you know
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a little bit of a booster for any Marvel
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main movie like for example this season
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was Civil War right which doesn't it
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doesn't good like find itself is
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beholding as much as it did say first
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season with winter soldier where was
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like really show it just like tank its
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first half because it felt like it had
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to be there for that twist and twist was
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awesome but the show before that was
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very mediocre and it doesn't it hasn't
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hit quite as much to that in the
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subsequent seasons I think they realize
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that's problematic but the other problem
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is as the even the lead i believe Chloe
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Bennet said recently like doesn't seem
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like the movies care at all about what
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happens on the shows and that's it's
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definitely uncomfortable when you feel
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like why did you make this such a big
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part of your whole I transmedia property
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if you're not going to make it matter at
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yeah that was a huge problem for me
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because in civil war there's a lot of
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talk danger i want to talk about a giant
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movie there's a lot of talks among the
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bad things that superheroes do and
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nobody mentions the word in human which
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is weird because according to the
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television show in humans are the most
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the president of the united states is
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talk about the inhuman problem
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yeah oh yeah the movies don't mention
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anything that happens on the TV show in
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practical terms because the movies and
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Marvel movies and they're not even in
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the same universe anymore and joss
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whedon said with age of Ultron that uh
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as far as he was concerned you know that
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that Coulson was dead in age of Ultron
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yeah well except that every time a movie
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comes out they have to spend half of the
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next eight next episode of agents of
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shield talking about the milk
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yeah so they keep kept turning to each
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other and saying how about that sakova
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an accord huh i know right and the
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netflix unity netflix series for
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whatever you know you basically get to
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do their own thing completely which is I
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think fine like you know because the
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Netflix series have done a good job of
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remaining like they're very
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geographically limited and so you feel
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like maybe the stuff there doesn't
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doesn't make the headlines as much
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worldwide necessarily yeah well that the
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Netflix shows have the sense to stay
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restrained in their power level that
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yeah it right there Monty and that's
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what I meant by arrow punching above its
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yeah most of the Netflix series stay
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within their presence of specific
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yeah yeah I agree so let's try my agent
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Carter season 2 and final of agent
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Carter i but what people think of of
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this one I love the show
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yes seconded third fourth i lost count
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the motion carries okay shouldn't have
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gotten caso resolved it is by the
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uncomfortable that the agent Carter is
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good and thus cancelled
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to be fair it does require expensive
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vintage cars and cool out short out have
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to do a period TV show
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yeah which is fantastic by the way exist
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for a reason you can get all sorts of
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vintage crap for cheap on the internet
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like Marvel's agents of etsy would
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totally watch that show
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actually it's the best-looking TV show
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out there you know those people who make
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those those tactical uniforms that
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they're running around every week on
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agents of shield they totally have some
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mad craft skills they're probably
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secretly funding the organization
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through an etsy shop the agent Carter
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ratings weren't very good and I I
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totally get that although I i do wonder
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if this wouldn't have been a better
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netflix kind of show given the short run
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and the fact that it's a period piece
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and all of those things and I get why
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not everybody's gonna want to watch a
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period piece about a about a secret
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agent in the Marvel Universe but oh well
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I think it should have been a Netflix
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show i think that would have been great
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i think they did a lot of things right
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the season I thought the transplant to
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LA was a lot of fun
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it definitely like you know added some
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pep to the show there were some like
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conspiracy stuff going on Hayley Atwell
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is fantastic i really enjoyed James
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D'Arcy as well as
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Edmund Jarvis I liked his wife they had
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a lot of great supporting character
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named Whitney Frost was a fun villain
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like Howard Stark is awesome I really do
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enjoy him yeah he acquired by Howard
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Stark is gone now he's off somewhere
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else doing another comic book show
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yeah but they I mean there are a lot of
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great ingredients here I'm kind of one
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of those shows there are a lot of shows
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i watch and I'm like okay I can see why
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maybe that didn't catch on
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I'm kind of baffled by this one I think
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you know and Jason's reasons are as good
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as any for why that's the case but it
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does just seemed like this was far and
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away the best comic book show on
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broadcast when you told me the show got
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canceled and that Gotham was like the
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one of the more popular shows on the
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I thought you were like like this like
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this is a trick I'm being set up for
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some kind of all that time turning 40
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troll I what what is wrong with the
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world people look I believe that isn't
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it does not does not compute
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i will briefly say that I have finally
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forgiven the show for having a waitress
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who worked at an automat she I like that
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you they do a nice job of that one
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episode she's in a dream sequence yeah I
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actually really enjoyed that with the
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singing and the dancing it was fun like
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yeah the show was good i enjoyed the
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brief appearances of Dottie Underwood i
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love Dottie Underwood be so everytime up
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with her and having her still be County
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I just shows where is the green that's
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the fight choreography on agent Carter
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is the best fight choreography I'm say
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of the broadcast comic Claire you're
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always been asked i would agree with
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there you go there you go there you go
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they used to fight styles of each
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character to convey who they were when
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you had Peggy Carter fighting she's
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straightforward punches you in the face
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to grab something heavy she whacks you
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with it but then when she's facing daddy
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who was trained by the Black Widow
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school like the Tosh Romanov in the
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Avengers she's doing all sorts of weird
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flips and running up walls and stuff and
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I really like that thought was put into
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not just how do we make this fight look
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cool but how would each of these
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characters fight and we got like a
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got his last name now you know who's got
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like a cane and so has to let hit people
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I don't know yeah they do a really good
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job of tailoring all those scenes i
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really enjoyed the the episode where
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they have to break into the lab where
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the bomb is and they had they recruit
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sort of the terrible misfit like group
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of people because i can't tell anybody
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and so they've got like this the Science
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Guy and the secretary from the lakefront
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yeah when you mentioned fighting styles
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actually something that came to mind
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which is Marvel's daredevil which had
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season two on netflix which I think
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similarly did a good job at having sort
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of different fighting styles for
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different different characters also
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there were lots of ninjas boy
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yeah and-and-and some you know I i wear
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down now the TV podcast about daredevil
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is still going on so I don't want to
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give away any spoilers about how
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everything is going to feel about let's
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do it let's go ahead and spoil some
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things because you know Jason that you
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and I were going to talk about this
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yep we still are we're gonna it's gonna
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happen right we're gonna talk about you
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know daredevil I'm gonna say you know
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above most people i'm a big fan boy to
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daredevil so in my mind he can't do any
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wrong however this is season it's like
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I've been kind of shot through the heart
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to x by the punisher yeah that the
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punisher was probably one of the coolest
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things in this one which is so weird
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this and that's the sign over there like
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all the punisher is cool and he's right
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I agree yeah I agree
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the pleasure was handled with great care
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I thought and was way better than I
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thought because you you and I talked
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about how I i was i was really down on
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the idea of you know putting the
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punisher in here to me right is like the
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worst of nineties comics where it's like
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the celebration of nihilism and instead
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the way Jon Bernthal portrayed him the
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way that they wrote him he is exactly
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the punisher supposed to be which is a
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completely messed up guy who is not a
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not even really an antihero he is a
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villain but he sort of like trapped in
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his own villainy because of the terrible
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things that have happened to him and I
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thought they did a great job with that
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care and they didn't disguise it
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the adjacent you and I talked about this
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in person too and I think we came to
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consensus that magic and ninjas were
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nice boy though but the punisher I like
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I liked watching the law firm fall apart
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this year and i liked watching strong
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meaningful well it was it was a great
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break up though because you can see both
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sides of it i enjoyed how many people
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repeatedly called Matt Murdock out on
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his own his nonsense like Claire temple
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every single vs matt if you weren't such
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an idiot like I know and then he go into
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something dumb and I enjoyed i enjoyed
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froggies arc as little as they gave that
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character to do you know the stuff that
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he did was great especially his
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grappling with with you know the fact
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that Matt is kind of a Bacchus visual on
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take yeah I'm the only thing that
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doesn't ring true to me as Karen pages
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are over the course of the the season
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but I like that she was kind of quietly
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grappling with you know having shot
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somebody from season one all on her own
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right and i like that no matter what she
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does she's just fixated on making sure
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that the truth gets out there because in
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her mind the truth is what sets people
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free and it shall fight for that I'm
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sure we a lot of us being you know
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having worked in the journalism industry
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have some complaints about some of that
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arc over although I agree that the
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giving her something to do is good
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like that's something that's not just
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revolving around being a love interest I
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think that's I think that the diagram
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walls a good actress and I know that she
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gave her a lot of stuff to do in this
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season which is great but yeah it's
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tricky trying to navigate that because
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you have fundamentally a character who
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you've already explained is like well
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they're not really you know they're not
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qualified to be a lawyer
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maybe they could be a journalist and
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then like narrow definition of
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journalism that we have here
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ok but like he's a little weird but I I
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thought they handle it well i will also
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put a plug in because i really enjoy
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Scott Glenn as stick even though he's a
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triangle and utter asked you to daryl is
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terrible but I love him so much i see i
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think they I think they misused that
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character this year i like them last
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year this year i kinda i kinda I like
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the actor and i like i like his
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portrayal but I thought that they that
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he got dragged down in this whole morale
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massive like magic black star or
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whatever Black Sun fate ninja a big you
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know pit stealing blood from people
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making zombie ninjas and stuff like that
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which I i get that comes a lot of stuff
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is just must remind from the frank
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miller era of daredevil but uh I don't
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totally get especially given what we got
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last season which was really about you
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know the kingpin and it was about a
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criminal organization trying to trying
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to setup and and and Matt fighting them
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that this season 2 takes this turn with
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when electric comes on screen and you
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end up well for some good ninja fights i
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thought some of that I thought the the
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seat the fight where the ninjas surround
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the hospital was there was a pretty
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great sequence but magic ninjas endless
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supplies of magic ninjas is to me not
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with daredevil wasn't like it wasn't
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listed in the ingredients on the side of
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the box and I totally rejected it I just
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basically was like this is nonsense and
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even though i would totally accept
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zombie ninjas and a magic pit and some
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sort of chosen one that is happening in
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smay be some other show that sort of
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like set up that that's what it was
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about what if we were to call it like
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iron fist for example exactly exactly
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put in daredevil I'm like no no you
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don't get to do this you don't get to to
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just sort of sweep this out from under
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me and also like taking the punisher
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story and then and then just kind of
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pivoting into this I that that's the
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part that just I found really
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unfortunate i liked when the punisher
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went to prison and talk to talk to the
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kingpin and broke out of prison I
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thought that was all actually pretty
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awesome and when not really great to see
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Vincent D'Onofrio I thought that was
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really great but overlaying that last
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half of the season he got these magic
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ninjas and I just don't know I just
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don't have so many of them too many
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night of a million billion in July no I
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mean the tick was making fun of those
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comics 30 years ago and here it is they
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still did they still did it
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yes Stuart wellington in the Medusa
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configuration often cites you know you
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can have one ninja that's super powerful
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but as you add ninjas they get less
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power there's an equation you can do
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that it all it all works out that it's
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just ultimately when you
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500 ninjas those days the law of
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diminishing ninja return one thing i
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like about the zombie ninjas is it does
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explain why they're so bad and so easy
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is that they're not there admit there's
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armies and their mother tricky format
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because he can't hear them
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yeah yes I've always been a huge fan of
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the hundred ninja to run into a scene
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after you just saw your 99 best pals get
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beat up by the hero the last guy who was
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like but I'm gonna get them i got they
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say they've softened him up for me also
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i like the ninjas fighting style because
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it's not a it's not honorable in some
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way to like everybody ganging up on the
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hero at once and kill him they wait and
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let like those guys got it I'll just
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stand back here and wait
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oh now they're all dead I guess it's my
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turn instead of just warming him and
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killing him which is also just trying a
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good job and just way to go
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yeah yeah it's really hard to fight as a
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group effectively but they're ninjas and
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should be good at that
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so what I'm saying season to appear
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devil not as good as season one that's
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my review that's right i'm not i'm not
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as negative on ninjas as Jason is but i
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agree that there
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yeah it does feel it was very bifurcated
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because the punisher stuff was so good
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and the ninja stuff was less good i
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actually thought the actress who played
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elector was pretty good i didn't think I
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think they had some problems with the
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stuff they wrote for her she's murder
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Pixie dream girl yeah I thought you died
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again I think the portrayal of her as
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opposed to the stuff that was written
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for her vs I thought the actress was
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very competent and did some great stone
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work I thought she was believable in
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what they refer I don't necessarily
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agree with the way that they took her
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character but you know that's that's
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another issue i liked how she vexes mad
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at the beginning when she comes back i
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think that was actually harkening back
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to some of the best stuff in season one
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where Matt is really challenged about
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are you gonna do this who are you going
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to be and and now he decides he's gonna
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be and she comes in and sort of upsets
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all of that I thought that initial
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interaction between them was really good
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but very rapidly becomes clear that
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she's just kind of a crazy person who's
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going to do crazy things
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she's the crazy ex-girlfriend if you
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will if only there were more musical
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numbers and it's not it's not good
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one of the things if there's a complaint
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to have about the the women on the show
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here i am making a woman cum
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is that there was just such a good girl
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bad girl thing going on between electra
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as though she's bad and she said she
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brings out Matt baser impulses and she
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disregards his morality and she pushes
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him to more and more extremes and
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encourages them to disregard society and
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then on the other side of that you've
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got others this beautiful blonde woman
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that I work with and I'm dating her and
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I don't want to have scrapped because
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this is the most beautiful pure thing in
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my life and partners a girl come on you
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know you don't need that the dichotomy
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doesn't have to be that sharp and clear
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temple navigated the beautiful and I
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understand what i don't understand why
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it had to be such a stark contrast like
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why electra wasn't allowed more grace
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and developments a person you know like
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early days would stick notwithstanding
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she seemed pretty stocking caricaturist
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to me also awesome and you know I I
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didn't I i get what she was supposed to
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do because she exists to propel Matt
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story forward and have him sever the
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ties to the street life he had set up
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with the law firm and have him you know
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decide well since work involves a mom I
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on this one and all that
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um I get she was supposed to push him to
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the next plateau and then season three
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is going to be presumably him figure out
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that's not working out so well for him
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but we don't get much of a sense of her
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as a person beyond that and and she and
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she's basically everything i do i'm
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doing because i have these feelings for
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you and I want you to feel this way and
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it's all for you Matthew and you just
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like really you're beautiful you're rich
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you're well connected and you literally
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have nothing better to do than to
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construct your entire inner life around
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your ex-boyfriend two more minutes is
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that what women do
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ok and nights what I don't know is
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elevated your life seems like it I can I
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give a quick thumbs up to my favorite
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supporting player of the season who was
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the Melvin Potter began their Devils
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I just really enjoy him hes bizarre
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character but I like him they reboot his
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armor was great i like Madame gal I
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cheered when Madame gal came back
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oh she said she's fun too I like her I
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loved all four scenes in season one I
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have a question about daredevil not
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having watched this season or to be
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honest these last half of the first
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shame on you I have a lot to do i
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understand there are some problems with
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the journalism in this show
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yes how does it rank compared to the
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journalism on flash and Supergirl it is
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more realistic than either of those i
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would say yeah i was gonna agree with
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that exception of the fact that you
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don't get an office like your first day
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ya know well it's not it's not she
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doesn't get an office she gets been
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eurex old office that is still sort of
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the the shrine to the murdered
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oh sorry spoilers for season one there
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there don't want some girls they would
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have had a shrine for 15 minutes and
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then like three top industry moved in
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there so they could talk smack about
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people's grammar they don't have the
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money in journalism to leave in office
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empty as a shrine that is not a thing
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that anyone is doing its basically
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closet but anyway I but it's still more
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realistic than either Supergirl or grief
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or arrow so let's talk about or flash so
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let's talk about Supergirl then we're
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going to move on to some new shows here
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Supergirl on the sauna on CBS but and
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everybody said hey that's weird why
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would that be MCW and then at the end of
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the season CBS said hey that's weird why
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doesn't it go to the CW and so it will
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be on the CW this fall
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dear greg berlanti we've noticed that
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she's not solving a murder every single
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episode please fix or we're sending you
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to the CW love CBS yep that's pretty
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much it so super girlfriend seems weird
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fantasy VII don't know i think they
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wanted to try it and just see what would
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happen and the fact is it got better
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ratings than any show on the CW and it
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it will be interesting to see how its
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it may have been a brilliant way to
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launch CW show put it put it on CBS for
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a year and then make the audience finds
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on the other network
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I don't know is that true it got better
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it got better rating as supergirls
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ratings and numerically our heart were
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low for CBS but they were higher than
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any individual show on the CW CW is not
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a very popular network yeah it's crazy
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but the big three networks still matter
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there are people who are not watching
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superhero stuff how's that possible i
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know it is well now CW's got a god they
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may have changed into the superhero
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channel because they're gonna have a
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superhero stuff on it and basically
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every night of the week when people
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think of a of Supergirl I'm i will give
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I'll give up my thumbnail sketch which
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is I felt like it took a while for it to
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find its way but it still had a sunny
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innocent fun quality throughout that the
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flash had in season one that I really
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like I don't care it i don't think it
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emerges fully formed as the flash I
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think it really struggled to figure out
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what I wanted to be they made they
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introduced a whole bunch of stuff in the
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pilot that they spent the entire first
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year walking back and figuring out how
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to break so that they could go somewhere
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else but i think the last half of it for
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me it really started to shape up and
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they started to figure out what the what
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the show wanted to be in it and it ended
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a lot stronger than it started
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that's my can i say i did have my my
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fanboy freakout came when they act like
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they actually were like oh my god you're
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actually going to make this hand cannon
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shot character jon jones yeah yeah yeah
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mr. and I was like oh my god you're
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actually going to do this this is
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amazing i was one of the things they
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walk back right now because you're
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supposed to be a villain and they just
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changed it and they're like this isn't
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work they like to I think they like
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David Harewood to good actor totally
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boring character in a total who works in
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a totally boring place the government's
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the de 0 which is the most boring thing
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and and they like they spent the whole
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season like extracting characters from
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the stupid do because it was dumb and
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that should never have done it and they
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saved that actor from playing that
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stupid character and said how about you
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be the Martian Manhunter instead
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alright yeah let's do that was also
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smart move because it gives way to
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connect to Cara and the way to connect
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cuz he and Alex happy analysis of the
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professional relationship Jacqueline and
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then the deeper ties because he's
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responsible for this is watching out
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from but here in cars are are basically
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you know refugees in the strange world
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and they they have a peer-to-peer
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relationship that Alex is never going to
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have and I enjoy that differentiation
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comes out on screen and it allows for
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two different types of relationships to
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happen even when there's three people
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around I'd say he's all he's almost like
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a mentor to both of them to which which
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gives you that flash mentor feel a
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little bit and and more than that like
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he's a mentor in a way that they sort of
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sub him in for a lot of places where
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they I guess they could sort of head
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Superman but they didn't really didn't
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want to do Superman in the first side
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and so they have him filling that role
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in a lot of places like hey I'm a
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powered guy who's been around the block
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a little bit and like I can sort of you
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know helped lead you and i'm down this
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path or whatever but I'm not Superman so
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you don't have to like there's not like
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so much of a shadow cast their right but
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yeah I like that I guess a in apparently
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this is where all the writing team
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female characters went to because the
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show meet with good female character yes
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oh my god i love cat Grants so much and
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every time some people's out of her
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I'm just clapping my hands into like it
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could have been so bad and it's not like
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like the writing is good Calista
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Flockhart is great it's a great
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well I feel like she's been waiting her
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whole career to be old enough to play
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this side of the character
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yeah which is the best part about it and
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and it it started weird it started weird
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and I wasn't totally convinced and then
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I watched it with my daughters and I
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realized this show has legs and should
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be a top-tier show
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yeah yeah i agree they made a lot of
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good course corrections the flash
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crossover episode was delightful goofy
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and fun like a basket of adorable
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puppies it's so great hills it was just
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like it was like this is the superhero
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team-up that I wanted to see like screw
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that Batman since you can i tell you i
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save that episode of my tivo it's still
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on my tivo and I just I just watch it
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sometimes when I'm feeling down because
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it is just a right
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of sunshine that episode let's in the
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flash to other shows he's worked great
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on the cross races done so far yeah I I
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just you know when what what do we use
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our superpowers for the answer is to get
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fantastic just yeah just super speed i
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can get the ice cream back and won't
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even be melted all right let's do that
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just just amazing so I Superman came up
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and i wanted to i want to mention i
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actually think Superman was one of the
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great problems of Supergirl this year
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because they didn't want to do the show
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and not talk about Superman because the
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premise of Supergirl is that she's his
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cousin and all that so they talk about
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him and they show him like in silhouette
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and there's like a cgi Superman at one
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point and there's a blur of a Superman a
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lot of long i am instant messaging lot
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instant messaging a lot of texts with
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Clark right which I I felt like the show
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got better again better as they went
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along at first I felt was like almost
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almost like we talked about the bechdel
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test and you know women women but
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they're not talking about themselves are
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talking about men
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I almost felt like Supergirl started out
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as failing that own a test about herself
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like it was all about Superman is like
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guys it is not his show
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stop talking about your cousin and they
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got better at it and I think they did a
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pretty good job but it was just really
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weird that he that he was kind of
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hovering over them for so much like they
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had to explain why he wasn't involved
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I don't know what to take the the rumor
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is or the the news is that they are
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going to do they're gonna cast somebody
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and have Superman at least as a
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recurring character in season two
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Supergirl I don't know I disagree I
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disagree i don't know i think I I feel
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like that would be better than the limbo
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state where you where he's there but not
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there i think you almost need to just
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have don't mention Superman or he needs
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to show up but you can't have it be like
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what I wasn't easy excuse of it like in
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the finale where it looks super man he's
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finally coming to help us
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oh wait he's been brainwashed with
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everybody else was terrible
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that was yes that was a very clear like
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okay we need to have this acknowledge
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and yet we also need to take him off the
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board because otherwise he'll just fix
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everything and and that's a problem and
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I i agree with Jason wholeheartedly
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there so i think the the answer is um
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show up for a couple episodes at the
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beginning of next season then he needs
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to go deal with some stuff like offworld
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is likely not going to
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space q I go to space car I trust you
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take care of stuff while I'm gone and
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i'll be back at some point and maybe
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even pop in later in the season to be
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like everything cool here great and go
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back to space or we could have Cara
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accidentally fall through a wormhole and
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end up in the arrow purse yeah where the
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cameraman my oh my gosh yes the whole
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building trails through yeah we need cat
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as well to definitely yeah sure maybe a
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or maybe this will be like some mando
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crossover where it turns out that
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Barry's erasing his own timeline river
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breaks up and down different earths and
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care all of a sudden they get knocked in
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20 think these are submerged been
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basically there's no topple gaggers like
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there are other circuits I don't miss
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that always advocate the whole shipper
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perspective but let me put it this way
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if Cara and Barry just ended up the
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instead of Karen are a berry entirety I
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feel like we'd all be okay with that i
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am well that's that's like Felicity
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level of chemistry to wear like oh these
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two actors were both actually both were
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even shared scenes together on Glee
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they they they been on TV together
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great connection that they don't have
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with other people on their shows let's
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briefly distance myself from my own my
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own idea okay I don't think Supergirl
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degree bigger I want her to be trying to
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live up to and I'll attainable ID he
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the background or they need to move into
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the foreground enough to explain them
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away and i hope that they do next season
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is is like he is because before it was
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like well we don't have understood the
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candidate him permission to use Superman
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they but they couldn't cast a person as
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maybe Batman vs Superman I don't know
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when they're like yeah that's fine your
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that's a totally different world just
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you know yeah if you wanna have Superman
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is a recurring go ahead because it's
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tough to live up to him it's tough to
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live up to him when we have no idea like
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this show is predicated on the idea that
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we all know who Superman is right like
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and it's tough to to get an idea when
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you're like I don't know which version
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like yeah who is this person she's
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trying to live up to it is it is it the
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community action comics version is
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Henry Cavill is it Brandon route is it
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Christopher Reeve like there's lots of
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different versions sort of wish it would
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be brand around people just keep looking
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at present I was like it's a lot like
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someone else we did not agree well I
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know if I can be hilarious
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oh yeah I would I would I would go for
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that or you know they're there are a
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bunch of good actors that they could
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cast a Superman that would be hilarious
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bit of casting but I i think i think
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that it is a Gotham problem to which is
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alternate like to it was really be
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Supergirl and and and we get Jimmy Olsen
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but then we get like Lois Lane's sister
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and we're going to get like I think next
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season we're gonna get lex luthor sister
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and all that it's like Superman drop-in
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have Lois Lane drop in and talk to Jimmy
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for an episode and kind of upset the
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apple cart and leave again I would like
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them to take those Superman characters
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and kinda rifle them through and then
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move them along right i think that would
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be fine i think that would be okay how
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about eliminate Superman altogether and
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just let her be her
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what do you Lex Luthor all of a sudden
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yes sudden not something I guess that's
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sort of what I'm saying is you bring you
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actually cast Superman so you can bring
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them on and then send him away and stop
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talking about him like we saw in he was
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here we had some good times and then he
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left and let's never speak of him again
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he can just just a sticky note it says
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you know I'm gonna go to space yeah it's
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not you it's to prevent the kind of had
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the same problem arrow did where you
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want to make references to other comic
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books but if you accidentally say you
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know like that nutcase over and
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Bludhaven or you can call yourself
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oracle that's taken and all of a sudden
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that implies way more things about your
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universe and you're prepared to deal
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with I didn't bother me on the arrow
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thing just because I figured it was just
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a joke for for nerds like us we are all
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arrow backed away from it they didn't
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keep dwelling on it was super girl we
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want to talk about Superman yeah right
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captain Superman too much what's going
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on right uh okay we got a couple more
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than I want to cover before we before we
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wrap and we got it we got a I don't want
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to end on a negative note so we're going
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legends of tomorrow first alright
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that's a positive
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alright legends of tomorrow is next on
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the docket who will speak for legends of
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tomorrow Tony Williams legends of
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no I'm writing the prosecution oh it's a
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it's a court case is it oh I can be the
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judge as i watched none of it I I will
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do I will do some defendant guilty
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beyond a lot not a lot I think you can
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defend individual elements of it like I
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really liked with flowers performance in
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it I like caity lotz I'm yes yes imagine
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if they were on other shows
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Oh like I know right they should be it's
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just there they were like approximately
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52 many legends of tomorrow and
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repositories worse than useless and then
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you have Martin Donovan has already
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shown up in late you have Martin Donovan
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acting all evil and I'm like but imagine
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a world where there was no legends of
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tomorrow and you got three more Captain
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Cold episodes in the season of flash
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better better world you know when the
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class soon as you find a nice gun the
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person who has run to it thesaurus and
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start learning all of the words for cold
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because that's all you talk about the
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rest of my maybe Leonard snart had a lot
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of lonely friday nights and already knew
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all the words because he had nothing
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better to do you know you one of the few
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things i enjoy from the season all
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agreed with many of the things Lisa just
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said but i do think that they took Mick
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Rory for my character that I could not
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yes about to an actually interesting and
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very cool character who I dig Domonic
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Brown really came a long way from the
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just like I'm stupid and like me and
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just want to burn things it's like well
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that's a hard cut its a very
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one-dimensional character and it worked
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fine on his few flash appearances but
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like how do you have a character like
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Captain Cold you can kind of see why
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he's like maybe decides to like join up
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with these guys but it made no sense for
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heat wave to be there and so I think
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they did a nice job of the chrono stuff
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and with the time masters like
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brainwashing him and all that I actually
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really enjoyed that that was one of the
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few things about the season I was like
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wholeheartedly thumbs up on agree I
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agree at least thing they did right by
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him i want to point out so the the
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showrunner for legends of tomorrow to
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the interview where people asked him
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about the fact that the time travel in
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his time travel show doesn't follow any
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consistent rules and makes no sense
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and his response was basically to say oh
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you know people complain about stuff and
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those people are not having fun and they
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should you know that people are like
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looking for things to complain about
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and I thought this is everything that's
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wrong with legends of tomorrow because
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this this is the showrunner of a show
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that's about time travel and look
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time travel is totally made up and
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ridiculous I you can you can make up
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whatever crazy rules you want but if
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your show does it about time travel
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doesn't have rules it also doesn't have
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steaks it doesn't have internal
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consistency and that means it doesn't
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have any drama because you're just
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watching like flashing lights on a
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screen at that point and that his
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writings of came about and why should we
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exactly and it shows it shows in legends
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of tomorrow you can decide to change
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your time-travel I mean doctor who is
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not always the most consistent about its
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rules for time travel but like I was not
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know that cow it is very definitively
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not but it tries to have a framework
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that makes sense right in and win in
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episodes where that is a central exactly
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they work hard to make it work and so I
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think there's a couple places in here
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where it goes okay I enjoyed ray and
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kendra being stuck in the 50 i love them
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that's my favorite episode yeah and Ray
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having trouble like we had a life like
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how can you just decide to go back to
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this like and just like turn it off like
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that i thought was good consequences to
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that but you're right that's so much
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other stuff in here does not make a
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difference i will agree with that to
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doctor who throws its rules out at the
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drop of a hat but it knows what it's
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doing that gives you just on the hand
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way to say i know we normally can't ever
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do this we're doing at this time we've
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got five doctors deal with it here we're
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not looking for rigorous like yeah
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tested time-travel logic here i would i
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would take but when when the court
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conceded the show is a guy is trying to
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save his family by going back in time
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and stopping got another guy and yet
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even like within the episodes about that
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story it's unclear how that would happen
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or where that would happen or why that
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would happen and it never becomes clear
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it's never really resolved to anybody
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satisfaction about why any of that
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you know you just tossed like like sort
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of like the flash this season you just
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kind of toss your whole season long
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premise away without with a hand wave
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and it makes for like religious tomorrow
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I just kept wondering like what are the
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stakes here and it was never clear the
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worst is when Sarah wants to go back and
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save her sister and there's no hole like
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this is why you can it's like this
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doesn't like that is letter to me was
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like did you do you watching the show
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do you know what the show is about we
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can do we can't do that because
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yeah just in time to save your wife and
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child but nobody that you pick to help
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save your wife and child can actually
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see their loved ones got it you hunter
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you're worse he's the horse like you're
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literally is the worst Eli's been
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constantly he has no understanding of
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Team Dynamics he has no leadership
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skills whatsoever he has no planning
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he doesn't listen to the people that are
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gonna log I i just kept actively ready
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for him to get killed he just he's got a
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stolen spaceship and and and a fancy gun
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that's that so he's basically a
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sixteen-year-old his boost the parents
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car on a friday night like what's up
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that would have been that would have
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been interesting because that's like
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your doctor who promised there would
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likely be fair to be fair
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his parents are an evil corrupt time
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agents Nicholson yeah I i really do like
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Arthur Darvill and I think it's a damn
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shame that they didn't give him yes sir
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who made sense in any way and he's he's
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he's a good actor and he's charming and
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he can do the sort of rakish like Time
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Master thing but like his I will take
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your word for it because none of that
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was on evidence i know but his yeah
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you're right that his motivations make
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no sense his plot makes no sense his
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character is awful and and see all the
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things you listed are totally correct
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Lisa but III can't lay that having seen
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him you know in several seasons of
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Doctor Who and on broadchurch and a
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bunch of other stuff he's a good actor
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he really just was not given any any
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sensible material to work with here
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because this is the only thing i've seen
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him in so I'm just like me the same
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reason perhaps the cement John wonder
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that played hawkman is fantastic and
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whatever else you are whatever Germany
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soap opera he was in when they find ya
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like that the the whole hawkman hawkgirl
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thing makes no sense whatsoever and then
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the season finale when she's like we're
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just gonna hang out here and
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and and just be together and do cock
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things for a while and I was like girl
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no no you don't know this man from from
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a glass of milk you had a life with Ray
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who clearly adores you and this is the
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hot man from the future who they've
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brought back it doesn't know kendra is
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like one of the most poorly served
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characters in the sense that she's like
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the linchpin to all these plots she gets
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to be the object of romantic interest
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and she literally doesn't have a thought
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in her head that somebody else hasn't
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put their or motivation everybody is
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constant from episode to episode it's it
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was just really frustrating watching her
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be treated like that and it was also
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super frustrating that the show begins
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with an older white man drugging and
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kidnapping young black man and somehow
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this forced conscription into my feet
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are like this guide wants is never
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addressed either Lisa does this deserve
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Susan too does the shower is my rant i
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will accept the ramp in season two but
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do they deserve a shot at season 2i
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thought they were going to scrap
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everything and it was gonna be a whole
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new ensemble so yeah I'll take a
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complete teardown yeah yeah but no
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apparently they're bringing a bunch of
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people back there doing the sleeper it's
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a 50-percent tear down at least I mean
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they're not bringing Vandal Savage back
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no no yeah maybe the Hawks aren't coming
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back I don't know though the Hawks are
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not the Hawks are not coming back i
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think i think they are gone which is
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good he should cast like some
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professional wrestler vandal savages you
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need to be like a big huge guy even if
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he was a much worse actor
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yeah that was good wait is that possible
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free i mean like i think they had a bye
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if they had a professional wrestler like
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reading off the cue cards okay making
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eye contact with the camera i feel like
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the show would have been about twenty
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percent better i have breaking news
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yes most you have you have news for us
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ya know guilty guilty is so ruled so
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LT legislation marel I was so excited
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about it and it was really bad
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it also can we mention just how cheap it
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come on line one ah there were so many
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guys who are just wearing like
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motorcycle jackets who are supposed to
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be like look like Times greatest killer
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to stop at the gap first I guess it's
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like that that npc doesn't even have to
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be compensated they spent a lot of money
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on that spaceship that Jason really
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disliked it's a superhero show
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first off it you think it's a show
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populated by superheroes but they're
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never allowed to be super because it's
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too expensive and so they don't use
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their powers and and so at that point
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why is it not just a time-travel show
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with regular people and why why have you
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populated with superheroes who can't use
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their powers like firestorm is really
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awesome and I thought oh I'll show with
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firestorm gets to be firestorm like
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three times over the course of the
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which obviously I'm overqualified
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uh-huh i would handcuff those two
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don't have to stand in different rooms
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you don't get to get into the little
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station while he stays here it's like
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know you guys like you eat together you
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sleep together and you firestorm
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together yes I waste a lot of money i
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would give up my kids college tuition
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for you to be rip hunter you know how
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I've got the jacket already you'll be
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legends let's end on what I think is it
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going to be a more positive note which
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is adjusted just a touch base on another
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netflix series jessica jones which we
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get TV series about the lean put
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together there's of the bunch of
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episodes about it and this 1i I i
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thought that this one actually set the
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bar a lot higher for daredevil and I
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think they're double didn't clear its
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own bar for season one I thought yeah I
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thought that jessica jones i was excited
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by it after I read the comic when I
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heard there was going to be a TV show i
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read the comic and I think they did a
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great job I think jessica jones was a
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real surprise for me about just how much
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I i liked it when people think I loved
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it Krysten Ritter has been a favorite of
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I know what this sounds like but don't
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trust the B in apartment 23
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I love that show so much really funny
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and she's so much fun on it
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smart and funny guy she was great on
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breaking bad so I was really looking
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forward to her here and you don't see a
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superhero who's afraid that much and
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she's playing fear and PTSD so well
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through so much of that series i've
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heard especially this year and last year
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and I i hesitate to use the term which
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is called agency i don't like it and I
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don't like the word strong male strong
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female we don't use that term very often
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i think that gets misunderstood because
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i think what the intent of a lot of
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people discussing that is saying this is
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a strong character in the sense that
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this is a three-dimensional character
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not necessarily this hour and
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emotionally or physically strong but
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they are well drawn although jessica
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jones to be fair is physically extremely
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strong and does her thing her superpower
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is opening locked doors and also broke
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yes generally very broken character is
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which is great as a character
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yeah yeah agreed a hundred percent at
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the same time I feel bad because my
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girls can't watch that one
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no no never met but it is it is so great
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to see when we meet jessica jones she's
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a disaster and we learn as we go
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why she's a disaster speaking of shows
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with great village
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yeah i was going to do maybe on it kills
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it this show is ruined david tennant for
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me I just need any money and like I've
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seen him a lot of things before this
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broad Church and Doctor Who of course
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but now when I see him another stuff
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especially things where he does voices
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for animated characters like I can't I
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can't deal with anything
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kilgrave yeah he's just he's good he's
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gonna be kill great for a long time so
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he plays like a like a a wacky cyborg in
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the ninja turtles cartoon it's like no I
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can't deal with you as a wacky the
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reasons i like Supergirl so much is
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because you've got the car Alex
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relationship where there are each other
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sisters and do his best friends and it
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reminds me a lot of the jessica Patsy
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relationship which to me was the beating
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heart of the show like hundred it's
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great that it's great that she and Luke
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are are splendidly matched you know in
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the bedroom Anderson chemistry by the
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way in terms of castor and he's such a
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racy great casting michael white culture
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so red and he's handsome
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oh my gosh but the beating heart of the
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show is is the fact that Jessica loves
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Patsy and would do anything for her and
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the feeling is more than mutual and
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those two girls save each other's lives
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over and over and over again and the
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whole show is about love and connection
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and i adore it for that reason it's the
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Marvel TV property or actions even the
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first property in the MCU that's really
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gotten female relationships right I that
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show i watch probably way too much of it
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in like one sitting at a couple times
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and like the dreams you get after that
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let me tell you this is some seriously
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crazy so it's super creepy like and I
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thought just so effectively done some
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great portrayals I really like you know
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my only I feel like I you know I had
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seen carrie-anne moss and a bunch of
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things over the years especially the
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matrix i always thought she was one of
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the one most underserved characters in
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that entire franchise and she's just
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phenomenal here i really enjoyed her
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character than and yeah I look forward
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to see more of her in an iron fist but I
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i think that she's great in her
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relationship with Jessica and her own
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personal screwed-up life and all this
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like again you get a lot of characters
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who do things that make sense even when
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that throws wrenches into like the plans
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of our of our heroes like well yeah this
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is this is kind of what happens when you
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don't like people don't believe you or
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when you don't fully explain what's
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going on and it's just how is this was
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just a fantastic show from starts
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weirdly hopeful when you think about it
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because even though there are so many
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people in such desperate straits they
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all keep trying and they keep trying to
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connect with each other and they keep
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and they keep trying to become better
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people and they keep trying and they
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keep hoping and and pushing towards the
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hope that things will get better and
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it's an odd thing to say about a show
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that has one of the darkest ethics i can
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remember like it in daredevil are kind
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of neck and neck for like how many dark
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might seems can you have or things are
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but it is one of it like it's hard it's
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it's just a very hopeful show and a very
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warm show in some ways yeah what I like
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about it is that it was willing to take
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kilgrave say here is a monster and then
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spend a few episodes later in the season
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saying and this is how he became that
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way and now you're starting to feel some
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sympathy for him and no actually still
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all monster now because they talk about
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choices and agency it's all like this is
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precisely what makes kilgrave so bad is
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he makes poor choices and because it is
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fortresses he doesn't want anyone else
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to have any choices at all
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yeah but we we get to learn why he is
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the way he is but he's still amounts to
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a decision such a hard episode i do want
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to give a I really thought that I'm a
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kedar ville echo darvill no relation to
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Arthur Darvill presumably who put his
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Malcolm the the junkie i hope that
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storyline was amazing just because that
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that moment when you realize like not
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only is he like been spying on her
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because he's been mind-controlled to a
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certain extent but also like he just he
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turned him into a junkie like that was
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just because heartbreaking right it's
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just heartbreaking because now because
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he could but because it served his ends
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you know like oh now I don't even have
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to mind control my just you know making
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dependent on something else and I just
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thought that guy did a fantastic
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yeah he was the neighbor I liked yeah
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let's not speak of the other and talk
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about 24 okay yeah let's ignore the
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twins for another choice
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yeah she was acting a completely
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different series everyone else their
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depiction of New York City apartment
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buildings little too real
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yeah this is it supposed to be like
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Seinfeld or friends or something
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why don't they all have beautiful large
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spacious apartments that are tastefully
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decorated that's why wasn't it the other
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yes I draw the line at New York
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apartments so yeah I'm super looking
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forward to the luke cage so yes yes you
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can regress alright well we're going to
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wrap the superhero TV season there are
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more superhero shows oh god there are
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always more superhero
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Tom so I'm sure we'll be back and see
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many more of them next year but that's
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that's all that's all for this year
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mixed mix crop that always happens i'd
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like to thank my panelists for joining
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me to talk about the bounty of superhero
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related TV shows
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did Morgan thanks for being here was a
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great pleasure I'm sure we'll talk about
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many many superheroes next so many
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superheroes films lack most thanks for
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I'm so thrilled and we've spent two
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hours talking about super I know I know
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almost almost and we could have could
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have done for another two probably Lisa
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Schmeisser thank you and look forward to
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the day they make the show about us
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talking about superheroes to know you
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and then we'll talk about and somebody
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will talk about it won't be as Monte
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Ashley thank you
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spoon okay solid and Tony sindelar
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thanks for being here
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goodbye Jason goodbye Tony and goodbye
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to everybody out there listening on the
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we'll be back again next week
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and there's about 20 minutes of extra
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material and outtakes from this
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recording session in the bonus track for
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members go to the incomparable calm /
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members to sign up
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