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00:00:03 ◼   ► the incomparable number 304 2 2016 [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► incomparable we're gonna do a special [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► episode about the TV season pass now you [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► know technically the TV season is [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► endless and it never stops and there's [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► always new stuff on now even in the [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► summertime but we're going to take this [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► moment sort of for tradition sake you [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► gotta draw a line somewhere and the [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► traditional broadcast network TV season [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► did just end and so we're going to do a [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► couple episodes in the next month or so [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► about television sort of wrapping up [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► general interest like lots of different [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► stuff and I decided there was so much in [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► this times in these times of confusion [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► times of peak TV that we would take the [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► superhero ish kind of shows and throw [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► them all in a pot and do an episode [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► about them and that's this episode so [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► joining me to talk about the the year [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► gone by in superhero TV and other comic [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► book related TV it's a fine panel of [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► guest dan morgan is here [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► hi dan I Jason pleasure to be here from [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► i should say from the arrow cast yes [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► from the flash flash cast is mr. [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► philipose lachrymose high and also for [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► the flash flash cast Lisa Schmeisser [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► hello hello [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► and also from the flash flash cast at [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► Stony sindelar culinary arts we roll [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► deep that's how we do it all right yeah [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► I feel outnumbered [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► yeah well where the point I'd like maybe [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► time fragments yeah motivation two most [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► most also has a has the daredevil rewind [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► pin on his chest so he's a he's got he's [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► got a lot of superheroes that he's [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► covering and also joining us a guy who's [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► not in any flash cast about superheroes [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► because he saves that for dragons and [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► ice zombies it's Monty actually I'm [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► auntie I spent the last five years [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► trapped on a hellish podcast I'm just [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► adopting Monty for my arrow forever be [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► honorary arrow cast this text I worry [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► that money's gonna spend this entire [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► podcast flashing back to this five years [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► of good and we're just gonna be like why [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► is this relevant design and such a weird [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► week i'm awake when your podcasting I [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► like money but this the flashbacks in [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► the season [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► and I'm not as useful as facial hair [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► keeps changing my grows out if that's [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► what you mean [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► hey we're plugging superhero related [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► stuff we do i would say i right about [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► arrow and Gotham and marvel's agents of [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► shield on previously not TV excellent [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► plug [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► well done while plugged guys I'm [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► actually jason from episode to thousands [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► of the incomparable an immortal mad man [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► killed my family and I've come back in [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► time for unspecified reasons to change [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► history so said I've chosen all of you [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► to be my champions because of on-again [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► unspecified reasons that i was going on [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► with everything that's one word for [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► expected for the expendable ones i guess [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► if you do have the dust you're just [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► changing the present but you'll be [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► legends that sounds like a show it's [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► gonna be really really good [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► I mean really excited about that kind of [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► show I'm not that excited about the [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► other nine people that have been chosen [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► with me know when he was gonna yeah [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► development i think i think in the next [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► season our show will be much better [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► I don't want to be trapped on a [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► spaceship with dan take that [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► so let's let's uh start with we'll do [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► some check-ins on shows that of that are [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► already exist before we go to the the [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► new shows already existed i saw the [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► flashing arrow we mentioned we obviously [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► we've got people here who talked about [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► those shows weekly on the TV podcast [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► from the incomparable if you don't know [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► about it you should check it out we [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► recap and review lots and lots of show [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► is on the TV podcast including some [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► superhero shows uh so what why don't we [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► start with those two since they're kind [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► of in this connected universe and and [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► returning shows what everybody think [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► about the season of arrow as a whole [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► let's start there since we've got a [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► monte and Dan especially representing [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► the deep focus on the arrow show but I [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► know everybody watched it so what do you [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► guys think of this season of arrow neal [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► mcdonough know is you're not around [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► pronounce his name but he's great deal [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► McConaughey's even fantastic [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► yes he made this season if you thank God [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► for neal mcdonough because after last [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► year's wet blanket that was Michelle [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► goal [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► yeah it was a low bar to clear but he [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► cleared it with room to spare [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► by like a guy who enjoys being able [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► really evil with a smile on his face [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► did you guys see season 3 of justified [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► yes I did yes [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► yeah like this is kind of becoming his [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► bread-and-butter and I for one applaud [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► the move [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► he's he enjoys eating scenery at a [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► tremendous rate I'm totally okay with [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► that and he just he really it's [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► fascinating to me I mean he was credited [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► in all of the he appeared in almost [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► every episode in season except for a few [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► and he's credited special appearance by [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► and everyone which makes me wonder if [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► they just shoveled a whole lot of cash [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► in his direction i had several moments [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► where I thought to myself how did arrow [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► a forward meal McDonough because he's [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► way lyric video but he's I mean hey he [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► was worth every penny day yeah i agree i [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► greedy the importance of having a good [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► villain and the villain ideally the [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► villain has some kind of plan and yeah [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► it's gonna be flawed because they're [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► gonna have to be foiled but they gotta [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► have a plan [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► flash they gotta have a plan and then [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► and ideally you've got to just enjoy how [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► to chew the scenery and you know Damien [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► dark cup with a name like that he's got [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► to be a good villain and he was really [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► want darhk that ax ya strange the ages [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► for evil [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► now hold on real quick before we start [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► putting a bunch of feathers in Arrow's [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► cap was well well then it doesn't mind [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► dan I know I'm doing things like you [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► normally do the fetish to help with [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► stability of your that's right now most [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► okay thank you [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► you know I have guy English in my closet [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► right now so that you guys are you on [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► the show arrow was a punching above its [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► weight with nukes agents of shield and [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► Gotham and arrow all head nuclear weapon [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► plots going on at the end of the season [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► only arrow decided it was a good idea [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► for an eight o'clock show to blow up a [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► city and say oh tens of thousands of [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► people are dead off-screen and they [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► don't even mention it the flash [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► university systems near [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► there's nothing there's just there's [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► major issues going on there i guess but [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► i guess i think the problem you know if [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► the Pharaoh had any problems leading up [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► to the end of the season [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► I think what's great about Damien dark [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► is that he does have an agenda he is the [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► hero of his own story told me in a way [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► that in the way that racial goal was [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► just like super concerned about like org [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► charts and it i think that will work [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► well that worked well i agree that I [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► feel like they try to amp it up to a [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► degree that wasn't maybe wasn't [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► necessary and didn't mean that some of [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► the stuff in the in the finale fell a [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► little flat I felt fail the final [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► confrontation was kind of anticlimactic [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► after you after you pulled out nukes [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► like really where do you have to go [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► after that and it is weird [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► unless that in 2000 nukes unless you end [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► up making that anything like for the [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► next season unless you're setting [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► something up [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► I to just do that as sort of an example [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► of how evil the sky is and how much he's [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► powered up now like I don't know it [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► seemed it seemed unnecessary Lee like [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► what's the word I'm looking for [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► it just it seems like a raise the stakes [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► a little bit too much I felt like we [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► were right back in the eighties with all [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► the nuclear cold war stuff going on this [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► this year does it does everything have [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► to be the end of the world I mean that [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► was the other thought that is also [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► seemed awfully prosaic that that it was [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► going to be nuclear weapons blowing [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► everything up when this is a super magic [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► guy i kinda for it figured that would [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► lead to some horrible magic thing he [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► would do but no that's not it its [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► computers that can take over magically [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► can take over guess there's the magic [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► it's the computers must be magical to be [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► able to launch every single nuclear [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► missile in the world but they they they [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► are boy they really these city shows [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► really don't know anything about [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► computers they really you have the techs [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► eteam as we refer to them on the arrow [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► verse cast they yeah they should not be [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► there as far as they're concerned [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► apparently all technology is [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► indistinguishable from magic [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► yeah I will be interested to see if they [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► deal with the aftermath of the entire [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► world's nuclear arsenal being lost right [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► as i'm pretty sure what happened was all [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► 15,000 nuclear missiles were launched [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► they were going to take exactly two hour [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► to reach their destination except for [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► one which was going to reach star city [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► in 45 minutes and make a foiled by a [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► handheld camera and a tablet all 15,000 [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► other missiles got their horizon flipped [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► upside down so they thought they were [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► supposed to go into space instead of [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► down to earth which is not how gravity [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► works that's not how to clear missiles [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► working but they all went into space for [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► now there are no nukes left on earth [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► enero or presumably flash you would [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► think that would have some kind of [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► effect on and spaces irradiated that was [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► also the aliens come next season and [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► they're really mad like you believed to [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► live in the solar system Citadel say [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► yeah [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► Green Lantern's gonna write us a ticket [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► will be right and jon jones is gonna [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► show up and be like seriously people [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► he's got mad so I thought I thought [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► arrow have a stronger year than the year [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► before I thought the flashback for kind [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► of ridiculous but we're working point [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► now where next season presumably they're [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► basically gonna have to tell a story [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► that leads up to the first episode of [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► the first season I'm kind of looking [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► forward to that although i suspect it [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► still will be unnecessary I would be [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► happy if they drop the flash back and [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► seat entirely i'm also really amused by [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► the idea that in the sixth season [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► they'll have to come up with some other [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► conceit or flashback to the middle of [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► the first season of arrow we got a guy [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► English has been advocating for that [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► since like day one but i think well I [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► mean just drop it at that point there's [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► no reason not to use your unnecessarily [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► constrained by it and you really you [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► have a great idea for two years and they [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► were down to like two minutes of [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► flashbacks per episode in this last [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► season they did not have enough story [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► and they did women try when you've done [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► it for four out of the five years I can [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► see why you feel like you need to wrap [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► it up but yeah I think after season five [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► maybe just let it go [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► I like the couple of episodes where the [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► flashbacks worked all over on the is [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► diggle diggle had some good ones [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► yeah there's one yeah they wanted to [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► others too but yeah I think in there [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► wanted to episode where they dropped [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► entirely and you have to be and you're [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► like I really did not miss this flight i [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► can go through a little praise to some [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► of the supporting cast a narrow I i'm [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► constantly impressed by the supporting [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► cast a narrow especially Diggle and [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► Felicity I think those are our [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► characters that brings so much dimension [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► to the part they make the leading man [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► look better because [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► they give him things to play off of and [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► know that the way that they interact [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► with Oliver i think is a I think it's a [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► that something got some good they got [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► they got whether it's luck or things a [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► little bit of luck and then also the [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► wisdom to see what they had but those [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► those are those actors are both very [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► good and the characters really help that [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► show i think that would be that show [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► would be not watchable like thinking [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► maybe i would argue if you didn't have [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► such a great sort of trio at the at the [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► core of it with with Diggle and Felicity [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► along with all of her and they had a [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► great season arc I mean at the end of [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► the day [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► yeah i mean comparing it to other things [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► like the flash they actually had a full [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► season arc that yeah didn't seem to [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► stammer yeah they really did run right [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► through and they will they had I mean I [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► think they ran right through for the [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► most part there were a couple hiccups [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► here and there but they stuck to the [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► main plot he Damon dark shows up in [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► episode 1 and you know is evil and then [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► basically you know we unfold that [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► through the course of the season there's [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► a couple other good little mini arcs in [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► there there's some dumb arcs I think we [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► all probably agree that the I can't tell [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► my girlfriend about my filmmaking [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► community high on the ark was silly i [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► think they were just trying to back out [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► of Oliver marrying Felicity which by the [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► way [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► shouldn't we be married by now she seems [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► to have completely forgiven him but the [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► marriage did not go back on [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► well you know sometimes people feel very [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► strongly when they're like two about [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► illegitimate love children loves fickle [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► as we know as we now still better still [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► better season than last year's numero [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► yes [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► oh absolutely this is yeah i'm really [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► enjoying Felicity's mother and Curtis [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► Holt's yeah well that's fantastic [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► both of them are enthusiastic about [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► things and not mopey usually which I [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► love mom smokes so much I do she's the [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► greatest and i have i've enjoyed every [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► every episode she's been in the minute [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► she shows up on screen charlotte ross is [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► a pretty underrated player in this [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► university that's me [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► she's great and Jean Paul Blackthorne to [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► rr4 yeah that's all i can say is that [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► she even makes Paul Blackthorne is [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► character sort of interesting which for [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► me is a big thing because I i think they [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► should kill them off [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► couple seasons ago I find him when I [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► find him completely useless and boring i [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► hope maybe you know with with the the [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► Oliver Queen administration potentially [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► coming up in season five maybe they'll [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► give him something to do that will make [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► them interesting but as the cop on the [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► edge you skeptical of everything and [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► keeps getting into trouble [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► it's like his daughters keep getting [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► murdered yeah he has a heart condition [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► only when it's convenient I'm coming for [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► he's also the list of open topic in the [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► world record for the first few seasons [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► he's got a lot on his mind [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► uh-huh what he wasn't his daughters keep [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► getting killed me back in the day [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► beautiful beginning coming back from the [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► dead and becoming assassins and bringing [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► home girlfriends were heir to the dragon [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► and it's all good topic and its really [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► tough like I was gonna say that i'm [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► looking forward to season five I am [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► really kind of interested in the Oliver [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► as the mayor of Star City Art which i [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► believe was an Arsenal in the comics I [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► don't know I just like the idea of [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► balancing like we we got very little of [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► Oliver Queen this season like it really [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► was very centric on you know he is the [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► green arrow right that's his identity [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► and we didn't have to have been [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► balancing as much as he did in some of [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► the early seasons and I think this is a [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► new interesting and wrinkle for that how [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► do you fight crime and be the mayor I [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► love that the secret identity wrinkle of [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► like it's not just that he's a person [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► with a secret identity he's the mayor of [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► the city with and he's also a superhero [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► I bet that's where you get away with its [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► great hello I'm looking for the police [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► commissioner meetings where be running [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► against the light of your like I [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► promised your council meeting and police [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► scanner goes off near like guys can we [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► to table this 40 little bit i gotta go [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► but you have really specific crime stats [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► like this guy got married last night [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► like what you doing about that [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► yeah before we leave I will say I'm so [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► happy there's as much John Barrowman as [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► there is yeah always happy when he shows [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► up he's not even a villain anymore you [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► know released being Thea's father he's a [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► persistent nuisance more than anything [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► else which is enjoyable when he's a [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► special kind of helicopter parent [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► check the tiger mom little bit [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► alright let's move on and talk about the [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► flash than me at the arrows a parent [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► obviously the flash cast covered this [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► well episode by episode III I get the [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► sense from everybody that the general [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► feeling is that season 2 did not go as [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► well as season one did would that be [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► accurate to say what's our general when [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► i finish it [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► oh man that's generous [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► I have been thinking about this because [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► part of the problem is it's they didn't [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► have a very strong feeling this season [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► zoom was mostly incomprehensible and a [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► lot of his motivation was opaque and [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► best and I feel like this this season [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► was a lot of dropped potential and the [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► things that were already problems [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► emerging in season when we're not [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► addressed in season two for example the [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► flashes serious problems when characters [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► and it only got worse this year so it [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► was disappointing that way they didn't [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► have a good big bad and they try think [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► they bit off more than they could chew [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► with a bunch of the things that they [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► want to explore i enjoyed watching parts [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► and every episode but by the end of the [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► season I was like okay let's regroup [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► plus pullback whoever has been doing [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► double time on legends of tomorrow and [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► just give them one job and some to who [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► it was a sophomore slump and I blame [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► because i don't want to blame flash I [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► blame that sucky show legend very good [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► for screwing up a great show but who [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► knows [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► yeah I I early in the season I was [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► willing to chalk it up to legends of [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► tomorrow launching and that being a [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► problem but now you almost have to say [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► like did they was there a brain drain or [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► something that distracted them my and [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► I'm starting to think that's too that's [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► too much of an excuse that for me to [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► give to them that fact is a structural [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► issues there hmm [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► and we're pacing and a villain who to go [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► back to Damien dark villain unlike [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► Damien dark who it has no clear plan or [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► even maybe he just doesn't make sense in [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► fact they keep seeing kept him to change [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► what he was up to [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► he disappears for long he's very fast [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► you can be anywhere immediately but he [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► disappears for long stretches of time [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► where he seems to not be around only [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► because it's inconvenient for him to be [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► around and there's never any explanation [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► like I always I always said in our slack [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► channel he he's gets very hungry he goes [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► to buffalo wild wings he's watching [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► sports on the TV [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► it's like 80 plates wings and then he [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► comes back he doesn't dine and dash of [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► Buffalo one's the best explanation for [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► zoom is buffalo wild wings and that is a [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► problem is what i'm saying is also [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► inconvenient when he's around like in [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► that one episode where they have to make [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► the formula to steal Barry speed to give [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► to me to sit around watching do stuff [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► I'm a scientist who will just watching [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► science and about why i think that may [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► be the most awkward scene it was a [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► season where he was like i'm hanging out [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► i'll tell you something that may be the [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► same episode where he instructs his a [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► one of his villains to attack to kill [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► all the all the police jitters but don't [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► do it now do it we'll do it tonight [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► like why wait like what is there like [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► Derek enforcement community centers [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► where it's prime time you want the [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► ratings in primetime so you always just [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► there's so much about that that's just [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► so everything about zoom which is [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► battling an incomprehensible because the [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► very beginning [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► he's like yeah you're not a hero Barry [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► Allen he breaks his back and it's all [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► very dramatic and you're like oh this is [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► a guy with a real hate on for moral [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► codes but by like the last but by the [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► finale and you have too many dads and [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► I'm angry that you had a better [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► childhood and you turned out better than [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► I did and I'm going to kill your dad [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► because that will make you even like [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► wait what we turn them into a crazy [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► serial killer maybe I want you to be [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► evil or maybe I want to destroy the [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► universe it's unclear maybe just want [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► your skin maybe it's here [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► so here's the thing i think too much [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► stuff was put to service of the of the [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► twist right like of the they worked [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► really well in the first season where [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► they had the sort of lurking dramatic [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► irony of like and we all know that that [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► that Harrison wells is evil and that [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► slowly unfolded over the course of the [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► season and that works really well and [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► they felt like hey maybe like they want [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► to sort of the M night Shyamalan area of [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► like hey we need to twist and let's have [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► like they talked about the fact that [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► they like this is exactly what happened [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► to him last year but that doesn't really [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► observe them from trying to use the [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► exact same plot beats and so I think too [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► much was was made subservient to this [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► idea of like we want to set up this jay [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► garrick twist [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► iid feel like this was an idea they had [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► early on and then they just had to like [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► shove a lot of stuff into weird places [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► to make that what they thought make that [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► work [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► there's so many weird side tangent [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► states they take that make any sense I [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► think I kept waiting for there to be the [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► scene where it's like where he takes [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► Kayla and shows her the earth 111like [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► read a book in the oh yeah and the part [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► and that that never that never goes [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► anywhere that never makes any sense that [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► scene was just there so comic book [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► readers would go oh ok so Jay Garrick is [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► professor zoom then because that's 400 [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► all of his professor zoom so you're [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► tipping us off and that's just not fair [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► it's not fair at all that they that they [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► did that like there is no chance service [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► well there's street justice and I [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► there's only one guy that I know that [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► does street justice right so let's just [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► be honest it's daredevil but anyway the [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► UH so what what I want to praise some [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► things about the flash though because [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► although i think they could totally do [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► it on the on the ark in the villain what [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► I think they did well is in the [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► multiverse concept they did they had a [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► lot of fun playing with doppelgangers I [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► thought they did a really good job with [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► doppelgangers I thought they did a [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► fantastic creative job of giving Tom [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► Cavanagh different Harrison wells to [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► play he did a great job with the second [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► hair cells so great-looking character [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► from your thoughts MVP Tom Cavanagh hehe [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► really owned in season one you had the [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► evil Harrison wells who is friendly and [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► four season do they have the mean [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► Harrison wells who is good [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► and as long as they can keep trotting [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► tom cavanagh out i'm gonna be happy yeah [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► like incision to he learns how to be a [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► real boy in season 1 yards on is like I [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► didn't want to actually like you people [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► and that I I like Tom Cavanagh can play [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► the heck out of those scenes so he can [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► do is I really like Jesse Martin's work [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► this season and I liked when they [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► introduced the son he never knew he had [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► and although the the street racing plot [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► was really dumb like really dumb AI I [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► think after all these weird weirdish [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► introduction I like that things were [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► awkward with him and bury it first i [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► like how to become less so until by the [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► end while he's like no we're part of the [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► same family and I liked that a lot [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► I still feel like irises is just nobody [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► in the writers miss adopt you know I [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► look it's so first I'll idea i watch the [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► show every week with my girlfriend and [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► she is incensed every weekend likes to [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► point out every week the flaws in that [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► and and and you know to give credit when [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► they do occasionally do a good job she [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► liked in particular I think the episode [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► is the second time that he's lost his [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► speed the one with the zombie girder [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► yeah yeah like they actually that was [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► like one of the better episodes this [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► season I felt like and she felt that the [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► they actually gave her you know agency [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► and stuff to do in that episode also the [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► episode her doppelganger in particular I [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► feel like was a lot of fun so IE but [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► overall both her and caitlin who is just [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► you know Caitlin just perennial like her [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► love interest is going to be evil / [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► murdered his boyfriend is the drummer of [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► spinal tap [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► iris fundamentally she and Barry were [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► raised as brother and sister she can't [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► be the love interest that gross stop it [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► the flash is supposed to be a happy for [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► color cheerful world [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► yeah i agree with hand do the hat and [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► iris loses all of her her agency and [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► other there's that terrible scene where [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► she and Caitlin are talking and it is [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► the anti back l test scene because all [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► they're talking about is Barry they have [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► all this other stuff going on [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► and literally what iris is saying is [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► well you know I've always sort of been [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► vaguely interested in Barry but not but [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► now that I've seen that in parallel [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► universes and potential futures we're [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► together I guess I should just give up [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► and settle for bearing it's like it's [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► like the word [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► futurama episode it's awful like I hate [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► that she's like well since somebody saw [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► holographic newspaper where I had a [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► different byline back from this parallel [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► universe when told me that I'm married [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► to Baron were apparently quite happy [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► like I iris your reporter check the [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► primary sources and just yeah she's such [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► a great reporter that she dates her boss [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► lady oh oh my god that was the worst [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► then i will drop that is a little strong [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► have to work this out it's awful because [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► the boss is the one who is egregiously [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► inappropriate like all the way down the [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► line like he crosses the line at every [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► opportunity [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► oh I was unaware this is an actual [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► legitimate professional conversation I [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► thought that we were here so i could put [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► the moves on you and as if that's not [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► bad enough the end of the episode [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► wouldn't mind if you made a pass at me [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► with no yeah no yeah no it's not good [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► what do you mean let me all right let me [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► make this suggestion for season 3 what [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► if we just somehow like what if this [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► Irish mr. Lee goes mysteriously goes [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► missing and we get earth to Iris over [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► here and it's like okay look you saw a [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► lot of problems she wasn't raised with [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► Barry so they can be love interest [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► except that she's gonna miss her husband [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► Barry whatever here we can you tell [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► stories based on the way back to his [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► home wanna look like it's like the Black [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► Canary play where the first black canary [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► actually like in the widow danbury [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► that's how she felt so here's one of the [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► things that I think is interesting about [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► about the flash and arrow arrow arrow is [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► a show where they don't have any mentors [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► right he always out there doing it [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► himself [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► chinese dude from the eye with Felicity [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► and you have the island with Felicity [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► and with a with Diggle he's got he's got [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► a good support system who works with him [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► on the flash it's different it's a [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► different scenario he's got his dad's as [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► lisa says my three dads science dead and [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► police dad in prison dad who became [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► released from prison log cabin and then [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► dead dad [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► rolling stone dead dad but that but so [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► sad but I some and that part of the show [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► I think works great right i mean we'd [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► see Tom Cavanagh and jesse l martin [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► again they're like the MVPs of that show [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► I really anchor the grant gustin's Barry [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► Allen it's really good [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► the problem with the flash is that they [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► have some issues with a lot of the [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► supporting characters they've done some [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► good rehab on cisco who got who got some [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► five powers this year and that was [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► really good but yea Kaitlyn and iris are [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► our in trouble and it means that again [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► yes what we've got is if I Jesse quick [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► actually I thought was a more [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► interesting and had a female character [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► with depth then the two characters that [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► we had for two seasons now which is [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► painful [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► so I don't know what they're gonna do [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► next season i hope they get it i hope [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► they get it back together because it [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► when that show is fun and happy it is [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► the best and I I don't know quite why [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► they went so far off the ground what if [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► so much me reset everything and start [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► over [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► hmm again love it Tony I love it I love [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► that idea let's do that because remember [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► everything you've been talking about [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► especially Jason you have talked about [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► everything that we liked about season [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► one in fair the things that we loved [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► about season one how would you feel [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► about just watching a season that's all [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► of season one but Barry doesn't have any [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► powers [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► I don't think I want to do that is you [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► don't want to do it either but every [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► scene is the same so it's just running [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► at you i appreciate its just a [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► procedural will jog a lot doesn't seem [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► like maybe the part of the at the very [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► end of this season was intended as like [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► oh crap we just wrote herself into a [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► terrible season let's just quick pull [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► the ripcord that the one thing that [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► makes the flash appealing to me is that [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► they're willing to go for it like I felt [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► like that in season one where they were [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► like okay I don't know what we're [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► supposed to do [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► alright hit the big red button for [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► alternate universes already but no hit [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► boom go crazy for me that Cisco's role [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► on the show is he's there to remind [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► people this is a full-on comic book show [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► we're going nuts as often as possible [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► which is kind of way I still enjoy the [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► flash more than arrow where it took them [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► four season to say what we [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► just call him green arrow right people [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► after us [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► there's a build all right let's uh let's [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► move on from the Berlin diverse for a [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► little while and go to some other real [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► returning shows some shows that are not [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► not not new in the past year [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► let's check in before we before we leave [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► the DC Comics world behind [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► let's check in with Gotham on Fox [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► hey I haven't I gave up on and season [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► one I heard a lot of people say season [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► two is better [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► who out there is seen Gotham and would [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► like to talk about Gotham i have a [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► healthy relationship with all Batman [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► properties [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► hello Tony simple hi Tony hi I'm still [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► watching off them I it's actually it's [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► better I don't know why I stayed with it [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► but I think they look up i'm glad to [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► stop punishing before that [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► yeah it's not as many shows in the next [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► season [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► some of the shows that it continues to [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► be are actually covered wagon fun [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► uh yeah and i think it may have found [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► it's a it's group [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► I'm i would i'm interested to see where [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► it's going it's it it is not the crazy [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► garbage file instead it is like it's a [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► spectacular train wreck a train wreck is [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► on Rails the first half of this season I [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► thought was still not fantastic but [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► sometimes they came back after like that [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► midseason hiatus and I really felt like [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► they had like.we we picked the lane [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► basically like we've decided which of [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► eight million different shows that we [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► want to be [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► we're going to focus on this thing [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► everything was kind of related which [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► actually really helped everything sort [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► of focus around this idea of Arkham [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► Asylum and Hugo Strange and that really [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► unified a lot of storylines brought a [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► lot of characters into contact to rather [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► than having them all off in their [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► different stories beauty wang as he's [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► rangy on about a very dark he was [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► fantastic yeah it's really good [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► another good scenery-chewing I continue [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► to enjoy Harvey Bullock i will always [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► enjoy Donal Logue pretty much anything [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► he does he's great he has i really [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► enjoyed the AV club reviews of him just [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► have every week eh nevermind the [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► Bullock's section where they just have [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► his wacky his quote of the week they [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► really cut back on this season though [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► didn't they yeah yeah a little sad but [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► he's still around which is good [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► and i enjoy i also enjoy Sean Pertwee is [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► as Alfred I really and he's kind of an [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► easy very different Alfred I think from [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► the one that were used to and he's he's [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► definitely fun to watch especially [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► there's some episode we got into like a [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► like a street fight with a guy named was [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► eating my cupcake or something yes it [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► was amazing that was a really great [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► upset one thing that I have enjoyed [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► about this season is that at [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► in the first episode in the pilot [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► episode of Gotham you saw the Riddler [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► and he was introduced by saying [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► essentially hi I'm Edward nigga [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► riddle me this I enjoy your rental is [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► going to turn into I liked him in season [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► one that I thought he was overdoing it [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► season one in season two I love that guy [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► he is so great now there's a scene [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► towards the end of the season where [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► selina kyle is breaking into Arkham [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► Asylum while he's trying to break out [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► and they're both in the vents and they [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► bump into each other and they don't [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► really know each other so he's like your [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► that cat burglar girl she's like your [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► that police forensics guy do you know [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► where you're going [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► uh yeah over there okay well see ya and [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► it's such a fun scene i enjoy when he [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► gets caught red-handed trying to dig up [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► a corpse in the woods [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► yeah and it's just like I crap yep he's [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► great [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► penguin is great at this point I really [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► enjoyed penguin penguin sidekick butch [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► yes is really great like there's a lot [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► of really fun villains on the show which [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► is what you want what I want [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► well in the the sort of guy I thought [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► that the whole introduction of theo [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► galavan in the first half of the season [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► was kind of weak and then they basically [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► like off him and then bring him back as [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► as rail which is super weird but also [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► kind of hilarious [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► yeah well one thing that's great about [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► Hugo Strange was he was bringing people [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► back to life and he was brainwashing [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► people and you realize he's actually [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► pretty bad at this [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► like he was brainwashing people to be to [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► no longer be sociopaths and sending them [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► out into the world and inside of two [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► scenes they're like oh wait no I and I'm [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► a sociopath nevermind science is not an [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► exact science [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► I think I've got weird and fun sometime [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► during the second season I'm gonna have [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► to go watch it now yeah I was also happy [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► because i thought at the start of season [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► two like oh it looks like they might do [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► the court of owls and then it looks like [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► they wouldn't and now it looks like they [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► did it again so if you've read the [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► comics that's extra excited i will say [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► my least favorite part of the show is [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► Bruce Wayne it partly some Batman's in [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► nobody young Bruce Wayne is like 13 show [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► oh and the problem is that he keeps [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► wanting to go to bat many things like [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► I'm gonna go to live on the streets so i [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► know what it's like out there like [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► understand crime now it says well young [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► master Bruce you work for [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► I work for you so even though I'm your [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► legal guardian I can't stop you boy [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► well and I think that the fundamental [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► problem this show as I think I mentioned [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► last season is a if the show ends with [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► Bruce Wayne becoming Batman then [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► fundamentally nothing in this show has [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► really mattered because if the whole [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► point is like you know your focus they [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► spend so much time focused on Jim Gordon [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► and Jim Gordon's attempt to sort of like [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► clean up the city when in fact it's [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► really just about the downward spiral [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► and corruption it was not he's not doing [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► a great job [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► no Jim Gordon has one of the weaker [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► storylines this year and also liked his [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► career doesn't make any sense [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► well he doesn't have a career he's been [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► in jail a couple of times and he just [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► quit and left town also a baby [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► it does make me a little concerned that [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► by the time in the Gotham you universe [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► when Bruce Wayne actually becomes Batman [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► like all of his villains are like elder [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► later their way to elderly to really be [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► success maybe maybe Jim Gordon will [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► become Batman for a while here I know [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► that happened the comics reason Alex [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► yeah that there's no need for Batman in [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► this world this Riddler is not so subtle [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► that they need a supergenius to solve [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► what he's saying let's uh let's leave [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► Gotham behind although I am intrigued by [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► the fact that that it got better and [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► talk about some of the Marvel properties [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► agents of shield for its what is this [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► the fourth season of asians you [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► something like that feels right and then [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► we'll we'll talk about season two basic [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► agent Carter to so ages of shield [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► yeah uh how was yet how how was it how [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► was that iíve seen the first half of [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► the season and I haven't seen the second [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► half yet but you know don't worry about [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► me but I'm just kind of curious how [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► how do people think think it went and [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► had some really good scenes [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► overall it felt weird it's disappointing [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► because kyle maclachlan was no longer on [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► the show being awesome right [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► but for instance they wrote the [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► characters are hunter and Bobbi off the [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► show because they thought they were [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► going to get a spin-off spin-off we [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► didn't get twice I think [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► yeah but the scene where they've been [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► disavowed and this time for real and no [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► one can never talk to them again that [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► episode ended with a really really good [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► scene [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► totally agree where they're turned Bobby [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► ran a bar they look around they see [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► every other member of the team and they [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► all raised their glasses [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► yeah it's it's funny because then if you [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► decide because they didn't get a [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► spin-off that they need to be back on [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► the show walking that scene back really [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► cheap and spit [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► yeah just suck those tears baby i gave [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► up on the show halfway through the [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► season so I just say it does seem like [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► it took them three and a half years to [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► get to embrace the fact that [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► super-powered people were were were part [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► of the universe like this was the sort [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► of like what we're saying that Gotham [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► it's like hey you know what's great [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► about the Marvel Cinematic Universe not [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► the superhero part and uh but finally [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► with with shield day they sort of [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► embrace that with the Inhumans plot and [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► having a sky / daisy you know have her [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► wrists Daisy [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► however I yeah I know but for those who [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► gave up which is half of the people she [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► used to be skyping another color Daisy [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► because love character laundering she's [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► got earthquake power i strongly believe [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► that you call someone by the name they [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► wish to be called her name is Stacy [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► Johnson yes it is actually [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► I that was actually an interesting plot [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► line as some characters kept forgetting [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► that you didn't matter at her [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► yes and when she went to grant Ward who [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► is now dead and possessed by an ancient [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► evil alien inhuman that maybe the recent [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► hydro was formed in the first place or [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► possibly not that seems like a stretch [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► that they pulled back he kept calling [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► her sky and even though she was now [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► brainwashed by him she kept correcting [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► which I thought was really fun I i did [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► like that episode and I know a lot of [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► people praise that there was that [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► episode that it focuses on the the on [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► the alien planet where they wear [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► yeah was it isn't Simmons is trapped in [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► the alien planet with the astronaut and [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► there's a monster and it was a nice [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► change of the blue the blue planet the [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► planet where there's never any Sun it's [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► just blue light all the time i was at [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► the soul [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► yeah i was a really great yeah it's hard [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► to mean obviously it's hard to pull off [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► something like that every single week [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► because it's you know specifically set [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► up to like break the formula sure but it [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► is really nice that they've shown the [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► confidence to be able to do that I think [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► some of the action scenes came up with [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► this this year I think they did a nice [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► job with some of those especially adding [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► the powers into the mix there's a pretty [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► good fight later on that involves the [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► easy using her powers which is a pretty [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► is really really well choreographed [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► there's a couple nice twists and turns [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► in terms of like sort of how they deal [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► with the eventual villain problems and [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► like managed to tie up like another plot [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► line at the same time and I think that [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► there's there's some solid character [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► work here and there from i really like [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► mac i know he is not the most popular [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► characters but I really is not him he's [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► great i know a lot of people who don't [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► like him but I i really enjoy him [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► especially was right yeah it's ongoing [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► quest for a shotgun x which he got in [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► the final episode that looks grote he [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► gets one earlier on that he's just like [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► tapes and ax ya shotgun is pretty great [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► too [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► that was really that like you should [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► really liked that episode with him and [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► his brother I thought that was a good [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► episode [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► yeah I'm so there's some really solid [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► character kits it's an uneven show in [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► some ways and it doesn't quite hit the [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► the lows or the highs that's a Gotham [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► hits like atoms like wildly uneven and [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► agent agent of shield I think waivers a [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► little more like a little less from that [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► center line right like it's it's may not [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► be quite as good but it's also [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► definitely not quite as like terrible [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► and its first moments see and Dan [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► I've caught you know what you said is [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► perfect is the unevenness and I've said [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► this before have caught heat for it [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► which is that Marvel agents of shield [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► which is a weird name but is essentially [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► a kind of a carry through or a you know [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► a little bit of a booster for any Marvel [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► main movie like for example this season [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► was Civil War right which doesn't it [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► doesn't good like find itself is [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► beholding as much as it did say first [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► season with winter soldier where was [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► like really show it just like tank its [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► first half because it felt like it had [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► to be there for that twist and twist was [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► awesome but the show before that was [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► very mediocre and it doesn't it hasn't [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► hit quite as much to that in the [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► subsequent seasons I think they realize [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► that's problematic but the other problem [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► is as the even the lead i believe Chloe [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► Bennet said recently like doesn't seem [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► like the movies care at all about what [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► happens on the shows and that's it's [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► definitely uncomfortable when you feel [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► like why did you make this such a big [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► part of your whole I transmedia property [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► if you're not going to make it matter at [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► all [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► yeah that was a huge problem for me [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► because in civil war there's a lot of [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► talk danger i want to talk about a giant [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► movie there's a lot of talks among the [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► bad things that superheroes do and [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► nobody mentions the word in human which [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► is weird because according to the [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► television show in humans are the most [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► important thing anybody talks about and [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► the president of the united states is [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► constantly giving press conference to [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► talk about the inhuman problem [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► yeah oh yeah the movies don't mention [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► anything that happens on the TV show in [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► practical terms because the movies and [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► TV shows are now being operated by [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► different groups essentially the Marvel [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► TV shows have sheared off from the [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► Marvel movies and they're not even in [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► the same universe anymore and joss [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► whedon said with age of Ultron that uh [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► as far as he was concerned you know that [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► that Coulson was dead in age of Ultron [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► yeah well except that every time a movie [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► comes out they have to spend half of the [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► next eight next episode of agents of [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► shield talking about the milk [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► yeah so they keep kept turning to each [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► other and saying how about that sakova [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► an accord huh i know right and the [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► netflix unity netflix series for [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► whatever you know you basically get to [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► do their own thing completely which is I [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► think fine like you know because the [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► Netflix series have done a good job of [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► remaining like they're very [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► geographically limited and so you feel [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► like maybe the stuff there doesn't [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► doesn't make the headlines as much [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► worldwide necessarily yeah well that the [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► Netflix shows have the sense to stay [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► restrained in their power level that [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► yeah it right there Monty and that's [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► what I meant by arrow punching above its [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► weight [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► yeah most of the Netflix series stay [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► within their presence of specific [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► atmosphere [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► yeah yeah I agree so let's try my agent [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► Carter season 2 and final of agent [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► Carter i but what people think of of [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► this one I love the show [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► yes seconded third fourth i lost count [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► the motion carries okay shouldn't have [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► gotten caso resolved it is by the [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► uncomfortable that the agent Carter is [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► good and thus cancelled [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► to be fair it does require expensive [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► vintage cars and cool out short out have [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► to do a period TV show [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► yeah which is fantastic by the way exist [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► for a reason you can get all sorts of [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► vintage crap for cheap on the internet [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► like Marvel's agents of etsy would [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► totally watch that show [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► actually it's the best-looking TV show [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► out there you know those people who make [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► those those tactical uniforms that [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► they're running around every week on [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► agents of shield they totally have some [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► mad craft skills they're probably [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► secretly funding the organization [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► through an etsy shop the agent Carter [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► ratings weren't very good and I I [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► totally get that although I i do wonder [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► if this wouldn't have been a better [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► netflix kind of show given the short run [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► and the fact that it's a period piece [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► and all of those things and I get why [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► not everybody's gonna want to watch a [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► period piece about a about a secret [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► agent in the Marvel Universe but oh well [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► I think it should have been a Netflix [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► show i think that would have been great [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► i think they did a lot of things right [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► the season I thought the transplant to [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► LA was a lot of fun [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► it definitely like you know added some [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► pep to the show there were some like [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► conspiracy stuff going on Hayley Atwell [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► is fantastic i really enjoyed James [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► D'Arcy as well as [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► Edmund Jarvis I liked his wife they had [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► a lot of great supporting character [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► named Whitney Frost was a fun villain [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► like Howard Stark is awesome I really do [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► enjoy him yeah he acquired by Howard [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► Stark is gone now he's off somewhere [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► else doing another comic book show [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► yeah but they I mean there are a lot of [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► great ingredients here I'm kind of one [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► of those shows there are a lot of shows [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► i watch and I'm like okay I can see why [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► maybe that didn't catch on [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► I'm kind of baffled by this one I think [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► you know and Jason's reasons are as good [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► as any for why that's the case but it [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► does just seemed like this was far and [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► away the best comic book show on [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► broadcast when you told me the show got [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► canceled and that Gotham was like the [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► one of the more popular shows on the [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► channel of him [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► I thought you were like like this like [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► this is a trick I'm being set up for [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► some kind of all that time turning 40 [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► troll I what what is wrong with the [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► world people look I believe that isn't [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► it does not does not compute [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► i will briefly say that I have finally [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► forgiven the show for having a waitress [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► who worked at an automat she I like that [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► you they do a nice job of that one [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► episode she's in a dream sequence yeah I [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► actually really enjoyed that with the [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► singing and the dancing it was fun like [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► yeah the show was good i enjoyed the [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► brief appearances of Dottie Underwood i [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► love Dottie Underwood be so everytime up [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► with her and having her still be County [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► evil yeah great [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► I just shows where is the green that's [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► the fight choreography on agent Carter [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► is the best fight choreography I'm say [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► of the broadcast comic Claire you're [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► always been asked i would agree with [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► there you go there you go there you go [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► they used to fight styles of each [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► character to convey who they were when [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► you had Peggy Carter fighting she's [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► straightforward punches you in the face [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► to grab something heavy she whacks you [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► with it but then when she's facing daddy [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► who was trained by the Black Widow [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► school like the Tosh Romanov in the [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► Avengers she's doing all sorts of weird [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► flips and running up walls and stuff and [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► I really like that thought was put into [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► not just how do we make this fight look [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► cool but how would each of these [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► characters fight and we got like a [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► Daniel [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► got his last name now you know who's got [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► like a cane and so has to let hit people [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► with the cane [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► I don't know yeah they do a really good [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► job of tailoring all those scenes i [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► really enjoyed the the episode where [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► they have to break into the lab where [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► the bomb is and they had they recruit [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► sort of the terrible misfit like group [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► of people because i can't tell anybody [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► and so they've got like this the Science [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► Guy and the secretary from the lakefront [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► yeah when you mentioned fighting styles [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► actually something that came to mind [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► which is Marvel's daredevil which had [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► season two on netflix which I think [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► similarly did a good job at having sort [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► of different fighting styles for [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► different different characters also [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► there were lots of ninjas boy [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► yeah and-and-and some you know I i wear [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► down now the TV podcast about daredevil [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► is still going on so I don't want to [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► give away any spoilers about how [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► everything is going to feel about let's [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► do it let's go ahead and spoil some [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► things because you know Jason that you [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► and I were going to talk about this [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► yep we still are we're gonna it's gonna [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► happen right we're gonna talk about you [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► know daredevil I'm gonna say you know [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► above most people i'm a big fan boy to [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► daredevil so in my mind he can't do any [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► wrong however this is season it's like [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► I've been kind of shot through the heart [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► to x by the punisher yeah that the [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► punisher was probably one of the coolest [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► things in this one which is so weird [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► this and that's the sign over there like [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► all the punisher is cool and he's right [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► I agree yeah I agree [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► the pleasure was handled with great care [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► I thought and was way better than I [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► thought because you you and I talked [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► about how I i was i was really down on [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► the idea of you know putting the [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► punisher in here to me right is like the [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► worst of nineties comics where it's like [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► the celebration of nihilism and instead [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► the way Jon Bernthal portrayed him the [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► way that they wrote him he is exactly [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► the punisher supposed to be which is a [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► completely messed up guy who is not a [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► not even really an antihero he is a [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► villain but he sort of like trapped in [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► his own villainy because of the terrible [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► things that have happened to him and I [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► thought they did a great job with that [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► care and they didn't disguise it [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► the adjacent you and I talked about this [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► in person too and I think we came to [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► consensus that magic and ninjas were [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► kind of it [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► nice boy though but the punisher I like [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► that a lot [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► I liked watching the law firm fall apart [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► this year and i liked watching strong [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► meaningful well it was it was a great [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► break up though because you can see both [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► sides of it i enjoyed how many people [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► repeatedly called Matt Murdock out on [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► his own his nonsense like Claire temple [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► every single vs matt if you weren't such [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► an idiot like I know and then he go into [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► something dumb and I enjoyed i enjoyed [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► froggies arc as little as they gave that [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► character to do you know the stuff that [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► he did was great especially his [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► grappling with with you know the fact [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► that Matt is kind of a Bacchus visual on [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► take yeah I'm the only thing that [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► doesn't ring true to me as Karen pages [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► are over the course of the the season [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► but I like that she was kind of quietly [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► grappling with you know having shot [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► somebody from season one all on her own [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► right and i like that no matter what she [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► does she's just fixated on making sure [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► that the truth gets out there because in [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► her mind the truth is what sets people [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► free and it shall fight for that I'm [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► sure we a lot of us being you know [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► having worked in the journalism industry [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► have some complaints about some of that [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► arc over although I agree that the [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► giving her something to do is good [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► like that's something that's not just [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► revolving around being a love interest I [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► think that's I think that the diagram [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► walls a good actress and I know that she [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► gave her a lot of stuff to do in this [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► season which is great but yeah it's [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► tricky trying to navigate that because [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► you have fundamentally a character who [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► you've already explained is like well [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► they're not really you know they're not [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► qualified to be a lawyer [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► maybe they could be a journalist and [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► then like narrow definition of [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► journalism that we have here [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► ok but like he's a little weird but I I [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► thought they handle it well i will also [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► put a plug in because i really enjoy [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► Scott Glenn as stick even though he's a [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► triangle and utter asked you to daryl is [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► terrible but I love him so much i see i [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► think they I think they misused that [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► character this year i like them last [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► year this year i kinda i kinda I like [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► the actor and i like i like his [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► portrayal but I thought that they that [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► he got dragged down in this whole morale [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► massive like magic black star or [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► whatever Black Sun fate ninja a big you [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► know pit stealing blood from people [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► making zombie ninjas and stuff like that [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► which I i get that comes a lot of stuff [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► is just must remind from the frank [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► miller era of daredevil but uh I don't [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► totally get especially given what we got [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► last season which was really about you [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► know the kingpin and it was about a [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► criminal organization trying to trying [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► to setup and and and Matt fighting them [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► that this season 2 takes this turn with [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► when electric comes on screen and you [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► end up well for some good ninja fights i [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► thought some of that I thought the the [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► seat the fight where the ninjas surround [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► the hospital was there was a pretty [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► great sequence but magic ninjas endless [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► supplies of magic ninjas is to me not [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► with daredevil wasn't like it wasn't [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► listed in the ingredients on the side of [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► the box and I totally rejected it I just [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► basically was like this is nonsense and [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► even though i would totally accept [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► zombie ninjas and a magic pit and some [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► sort of chosen one that is happening in [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► smay be some other show that sort of [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► like set up that that's what it was [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► about what if we were to call it like [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► iron fist for example exactly exactly [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► put in daredevil I'm like no no you [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► don't get to do this you don't get to to [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► just sort of sweep this out from under [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► me and also like taking the punisher [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► story and then and then just kind of [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► pivoting into this I that that's the [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► part that just I found really [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► unfortunate i liked when the punisher [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► went to prison and talk to talk to the [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► kingpin and broke out of prison I [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► thought that was all actually pretty [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► awesome and when not really great to see [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► Vincent D'Onofrio I thought that was [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► really great but overlaying that last [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► half of the season he got these magic [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► ninjas and I just don't know I just [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► don't have so many of them too many [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► night of a million billion in July no I [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► mean the tick was making fun of those [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► comics 30 years ago and here it is they [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► still did they still did it [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► yes Stuart wellington in the Medusa [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► configuration often cites you know you [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► can have one ninja that's super powerful [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► but as you add ninjas they get less [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► power there's an equation you can do [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► that it all it all works out that it's [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► just ultimately when you [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► 500 ninjas those days the law of [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► diminishing ninja return one thing i [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► like about the zombie ninjas is it does [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► explain why they're so bad and so easy [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► to kill ya [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► is that they're not there admit there's [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► armies and their mother tricky format [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► because he can't hear them [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► yeah yes I've always been a huge fan of [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► the hundred ninja to run into a scene [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► after you just saw your 99 best pals get [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► beat up by the hero the last guy who was [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► like but I'm gonna get them i got they [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► say they've softened him up for me also [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► i like the ninjas fighting style because [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► it's not a it's not honorable in some [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► way to like everybody ganging up on the [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► hero at once and kill him they wait and [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► let like those guys got it I'll just [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► stand back here and wait [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► oh now they're all dead I guess it's my [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► turn instead of just warming him and [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► killing him which is also just trying a [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► good job and just way to go [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► yeah yeah it's really hard to fight as a [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► group effectively but they're ninjas and [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► should be good at that [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► so what I'm saying season to appear [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► devil not as good as season one that's [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► my review that's right i'm not i'm not [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► as negative on ninjas as Jason is but i [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► agree that there [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► yeah it does feel it was very bifurcated [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► because the punisher stuff was so good [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► and the ninja stuff was less good i [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► actually thought the actress who played [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► elector was pretty good i didn't think I [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► think they had some problems with the [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► stuff they wrote for her she's murder [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► Pixie dream girl yeah I thought you died [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► again I think the portrayal of her as [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► opposed to the stuff that was written [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► for her vs I thought the actress was [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► very competent and did some great stone [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► work I thought she was believable in [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► what they refer I don't necessarily [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► agree with the way that they took her [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► character but you know that's that's [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► another issue i liked how she vexes mad [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► at the beginning when she comes back i [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► think that was actually harkening back [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► to some of the best stuff in season one [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► where Matt is really challenged about [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► are you gonna do this who are you going [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► to be and and now he decides he's gonna [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► be and she comes in and sort of upsets [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► all of that I thought that initial [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► interaction between them was really good [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► but very rapidly becomes clear that [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► she's just kind of a crazy person who's [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► going to do crazy things [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► she's the crazy ex-girlfriend if you [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► will if only there were more musical [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► numbers and it's not it's not good [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► one of the things if there's a complaint [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► to have about the the women on the show [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► here i am making a woman cum [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► is that there was just such a good girl [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► bad girl thing going on between electra [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► as though she's bad and she said she [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► brings out Matt baser impulses and she [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► disregards his morality and she pushes [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► him to more and more extremes and [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► encourages them to disregard society and [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► then on the other side of that you've [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► got others this beautiful blonde woman [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► that I work with and I'm dating her and [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► I don't want to have scrapped because [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► this is the most beautiful pure thing in [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► my life and partners a girl come on you [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► know you don't need that the dichotomy [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► doesn't have to be that sharp and clear [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► temple navigated the beautiful and I [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► understand what i don't understand why [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► it had to be such a stark contrast like [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► why electra wasn't allowed more grace [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► and developments a person you know like [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► early days would stick notwithstanding [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► she seemed pretty stocking caricaturist [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► to me also awesome and you know I I [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► didn't I i get what she was supposed to [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► do because she exists to propel Matt [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► story forward and have him sever the [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► ties to the street life he had set up [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► with the law firm and have him you know [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► decide well since work involves a mom I [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► on this one and all that [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► um I get she was supposed to push him to [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► the next plateau and then season three [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► is going to be presumably him figure out [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► that's not working out so well for him [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► but we don't get much of a sense of her [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► as a person beyond that and and she and [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► she's basically everything i do i'm [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► doing because i have these feelings for [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► you and I want you to feel this way and [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► it's all for you Matthew and you just [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► like really you're beautiful you're rich [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► you're well connected and you literally [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► have nothing better to do than to [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► construct your entire inner life around [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► your ex-boyfriend two more minutes is [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► that what women do [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► ok and nights what I don't know is [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► elevated your life seems like it I can I [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► give a quick thumbs up to my favorite [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► supporting player of the season who was [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► the Melvin Potter began their Devils [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► armor [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► I just really enjoy him hes bizarre [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► character but I like him they reboot his [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► armor was great i like Madame gal I [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► cheered when Madame gal came back [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► oh she said she's fun too I like her I [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► loved all four scenes in season one I [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► love to c 0 [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► have a question about daredevil not [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► having watched this season or to be [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► honest these last half of the first [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► season [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► shame on you I have a lot to do i [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► understand there are some problems with [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► the journalism in this show [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► yes how does it rank compared to the [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► journalism on flash and Supergirl it is [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► more realistic than either of those i [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► would say yeah i was gonna agree with [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► that exception of the fact that you [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► don't get an office like your first day [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► on the job [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► ya know well it's not it's not she [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► doesn't get an office she gets been [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► eurex old office that is still sort of [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► the the shrine to the murdered [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► oh sorry spoilers for season one there [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► there don't want some girls they would [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► have had a shrine for 15 minutes and [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► then like three top industry moved in [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► there so they could talk smack about [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► people's grammar they don't have the [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► money in journalism to leave in office [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► empty as a shrine that is not a thing [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► that anyone is doing its basically [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► closet but anyway I but it's still more [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► realistic than either Supergirl or grief [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► or arrow so let's talk about or flash so [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► let's talk about Supergirl then we're [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► going to move on to some new shows here [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► at the end [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► Supergirl on the sauna on CBS but and [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► everybody said hey that's weird why [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► would that be MCW and then at the end of [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► the season CBS said hey that's weird why [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► doesn't it go to the CW and so it will [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► be on the CW this fall [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► dear greg berlanti we've noticed that [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► she's not solving a murder every single [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► episode please fix or we're sending you [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► to the CW love CBS yep that's pretty [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► much it so super girlfriend seems weird [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► fantasy VII don't know i think they [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► wanted to try it and just see what would [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► happen and the fact is it got better [TS]