66: Regular People Like Us
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the incomparable contest number 66
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welcome back to being comfortable
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podcast i'm dan moore and sitting in for
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Jason Snell we are convening once again
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our book club this week we're discussing
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ready player one by Ernest Cline and
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with me i have an elite group of
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panelists i am joined by scott McNulty
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insert random eighties reference here I
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I see you came prepared
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I did in addition we are joined by John
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siracusa hi John little bit sleepy
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tonight Dan but maybe my anger or wake
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we are also have Monty Ashley hi Monty
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intruder alert is that a video game that
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was in this book if not it's the only
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one that wasn't you could have just said
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video game in this book and then we will
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with laughed knowingly haha
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and of course serenity Caldwell Iran hi
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our topic tonight as i mentioned ready
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player one by Ernest Cline this is I i
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think this may be his first book but he
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is a screenwriter I believe he wrote a
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movie fan boys as i recall which
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surprisingly enough is about science
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fiction and geeks who would have seen it
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coming but ready player one is a scifi
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books said in the i guess you could say
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it seems to borrow from pretty much
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every property if you're within the age
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of what say 2240 maybe like every single
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thing that you grew up with seems to
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have found its way into this book
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somehow does that make it a good book
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doesn't make it a band does it just make
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it a book i guess we'll see
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so to start off I thought we talked a
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little bit about the story of the book
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itself and then we can we can delve a
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little more into the the numerous
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limoges but the story sort of follows
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this this young guy
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Wade we learn about him through this
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massively multiplayer online game
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that he plays which may sound like other
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massively multiplayer online games but
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there seemed to be a it seems to be one
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big metaverse style world in the in the
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in the ways of william gibson and neal
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stephenson and I i will start off by
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saying that I thought the the
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introduction part of this book where
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that story is laid out for us was
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somewhat horrific and almost made me put
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the book down horrific and waterway dan
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I think it was I think they'd be the
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information dump aspect of it not the
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ideas the ideas were fine i mean the
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ideas we seem like science fiction the
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kind of stuff that were used to but it
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was all shoveled at you so quickly that
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I got bored because i felt like i was
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reading you know like a history book for
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something that never happened
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well you know he just wanted to get all
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that information out of the way so we
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could delve really into his characters
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and tell us about their backstories and
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yeah I asking inside their head exactly
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richly paint them or just reference
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eighties movies a lot you so I'm I'm
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getting the feeling that you guys feel
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similarly about so at you know as
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someone who has never written any real
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fiction and doesn't write anything I
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think there's something that everybody
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knows about the craft of writing fiction
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even if you've never written any fiction
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i never tried to write infections like
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one rule that people know and this book
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dances on its little gray from what is
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that rule show don't tell
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for the love of God people this book is
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like a giant exercise and what not to do
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and did the first little part the damage
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talking about what did you do
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he tells you a bunch of stuff it's like
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I don't I don't want you to tell me show
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me show me this cool world that you have
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don't tell me everything about it and it
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just never stops
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I would have really loved if there had
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been a way to just frame it so that the
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entire story is just holidays video the
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prelude and then we have to get the
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information from there instead it's
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holidays video along with oh let me tell
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you all the backstory about holidays
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video let me tell you about holiday
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oh let me also tell you about the world
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it just doesn't quite work the way you
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wanted to a lot of telling it reads
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original I mean of course client like I
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said you know he was a screenwriter and
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i think it is summer reads not so much
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like a screen look like a synopsis right
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like the premise like
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right so here's my concept it's a world
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where there's a big video game and
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everybody's looking for this one
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easter egg that's inside the video game
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how and then it's like it's got like the
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end is like he wrote the entire
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wikipedia like or it's a bad voiceover
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in a world where voiceover the trailer
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voiceover for the first scene of the
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movie before you get to the actual movie
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but nothing that is really the point of
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the book the idea is to get into a world
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where you're obsessive memorization of
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Monty Python actually matters all geeked
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streams yeah we basically all kind of
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hope right that all this random data
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that we've acquired over the many many
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years that we've been alive will come in
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handy someday somehow and in this world
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in some ways the geeks you know are the
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ultimate class because they are the ones
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who have all this esoteric knowledge
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yeah practicing joust for hours and
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learning how to get through store in 15
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that was an important skill that's gonna
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pay off at some point it's it's this
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book reads a little bit like like like
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cognitive dissonance reduction or
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something like this like I didn't waste
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my childhood these skills have used see
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mom I could be a I could be a superhero
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it would be getting out the geek mine
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repels repels of the idea that they need
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this such a vast world of things that
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geeks do that this book in this contest
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can necessarily only include tiny subset
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of them and the odds of that subset
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exactly overlapping with your particular
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subset of basically zero so the only
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thing that's believe bonus is that the
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Sixers could have a vast network of
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highly paid people who cumulatively
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could have these skills and they didn't
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waste their sales but individually the
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odds of any individual one person having
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the scales let alone like the three or
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four good guys all knowing exactly these
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specific things that human brain can't
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hold that much information you know well
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the the point of the whole beginning
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prologue right is that they they
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obsessively study what holiday they
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study but you can't you just can't this
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too much you just can't study that
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matter is it's it's the there there are
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the script they are led by the script to
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have memorize these particular movies
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news but not actually they've memorized
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every moving it is also a photographic
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memories it's you know
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so in the future yes I've nearly spent
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my life learning exactly what these
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characters have learned but I can't go
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play pac-man and get a perfect score
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just because I on your first try
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yeah but well that's because you're not
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trying hard enough ah well that's
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because that's because you're not
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trapped in the story where every single
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thing that happens has happened for an
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obvious reason its television stars like
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I wonder why this packing able that be
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important now certainly not rule I i
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have to say remind me a little bit i was
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watching at a friend's house a kung fu
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movie the other night and this is a this
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come from movie from the seventies it
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was awesome and by awesome i mean
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terrible but the end up the the moral of
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the story ended up being that this this
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random sort of chinese kung foo kid this
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cube and studying it like under his
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father accidentally challenges like all
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the greatest masters of Japanese kungfu
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and like all the great masters of
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Japanese kungfu show up and somehow this
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random kid beats all of them with in all
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their various disciplines it was the
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main character you see that's how it
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works the more the camera points that
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you the more powerful you are
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it should have been obvious to me so to
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develop the plot a little bit so those
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who are falling on haven't read the book
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and who may now never read i liked it i
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I you know that i enjoyed as well but
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the to sort of spell of the world
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basically there's this massively
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multiplayer online game in which the
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Creator james halliday has hidden
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various easter eggs that will sort of
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lead people on this treasure hunt at the
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end of which they'll come into
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unimaginable power of course and of
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course everything is locked into all
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these geek culture references movies TV
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shows video games from the eighties
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because that's the time when the
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inventor grew up so our main character
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is a huge geek who is really into all
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these subject areas and is trained and
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you'll memorize all this in the hopes
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that he can find this easter egg which
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of course he never does in the book is
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really boring and ends
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wait no that's not this book okay that
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would have been too sad i'm curious as
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to what you guys thought about the sort
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of the moments that we spend outside of
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the game in this future which looks
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talk of her moment about the stacks
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because trying to imagine that visually
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gives me a son can you can you explain
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what that yeah so the stacks it there
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are is where our main character grows up
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and it's basically from what I can
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gather it's that the the cities of the
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United States and of the world are still
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you know fairly five functioning things
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however power and and various other you
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know important livelihood type things
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have basically died out everywhere
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that's not a major city so people drove
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their RVs and their mobile homes and
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their trailers in an attempt to try and
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get near the big cities and then failed
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and so they decided to stack their
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mobile homes on top of each other and
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create virtual apartments and it
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it all sounds very dangerous and very I
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every time there's a couple chapters
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where we're in the stacks and every time
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i'm reading about the stacks I feel like
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I'm about to step on something with
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that's what I felt like in their heat
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our main character has a place to sort
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of hide away thats in this junkyard in
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this old van that's like half crushed
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and that's what I kept thinking was you
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know the same the same idea of this
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seems really really dangerous and
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alternatively also reminded me of
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anybody who ever read The Three
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Investigators they had a trailer that
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was buried in a junkyard which was
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awesome I totally won i remember that i
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decide you just activated a memory
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achievement unlocked they had a
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chauffeur that drove them everywhere all
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the trailers are all stacked up there
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the better to blow up my dear
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yes true because what wouldn't be
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complete with a giant evil corporation
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blowing stuff up by topic like dominoes
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in the movie adaptation just wait
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they are so essentially yes oh so our
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hero does manage to sort of be the first
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one who unlocks it part of this this
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mystery and he comes across up against
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this major corporation that is as John
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was talking about earlier that sort of
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assembled all this raw talent to try and
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you know cheat the system or less and
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they essentially blow up his home with
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his family for remote remains of his
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family in it but that's okay because we
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didn't really like them anyway we did
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like the downstairs neighbor in that one
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yeah we felt bad for her for about the
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that was a weird I mean even even the
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thing with like the well the answer is
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really awful the Anthony lives with is
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really awful that's still it was such a
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bizarre choice to be like I'm just gonna
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kill these people often really no
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conscious yet they went right from like
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from future world video game into murder
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like that transition was not smooth
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I think that's still just pure geek
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wish-fulfillment though because they
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stole his computer wouldn't let him go
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online so naturally they must die
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I wish our corporation would blow to my
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mom up about my trouble since Cinderella
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would have done the same thing they took
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her laptop that's always been so then we
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enter into this strange period where our
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character sort of goes on the run but
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he's much more well outfitted now
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because he's become this at least in the
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virtual world the celebrity so he sold
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himself out to sponsorships
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I mean that sounds like the future to me
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that that whole thing especially right
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after he finds the first key and then he
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gets the opportunity from the big giant
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corporation to come join them and be
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their head and he tells them to screw
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off and then they blow up his trailer
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and then go to survive he sells himself
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to all kinds of companies and it just it
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it felt a little i mean i understand why
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it's necessary and context of the book
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but it felt very much like yes I am I am
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totally badass i'm going to be on a
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sneaker company and a milk carton now
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and I'm totally above light
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I'm above retribution and I'm above you
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know finger-pointing with it with a
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sneaker company and the milk carton
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different things because like milk
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cartons because he's like missing and
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it's not him it's his avatar and you
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know you know and have a target never be
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copied because there's no way to copy
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the amount of the American avatar know
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whatever do that would've been more
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realistic they all agreed to pay him but
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that is paypal account got frozen for
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fraud and he was never get there we'll
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get any money because he couldn't get
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through human to do the resolution it's
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also extremely convenient that the first
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key that he goes looking for happens to
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be on the only planet that he can
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justify that in my head I figured out
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that naturally the keys would have to be
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on a planet that holiday had created so
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naturally it's not going to be on one of
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these far-flung new plan well they did
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they justified like crazy in the book
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they were like kinda makes sense you see
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because it's gonna be that's a near
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school and have to be someplace because
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you wanted two kids find it was a kid
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like it they went they bent over
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backwards to justify that was the least
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this kid so I can it's like charlie and
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the chocolate factory right once to get
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into the world of crazy solving puzzles
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i have no problem with whatever deus ex
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machina you want to invent so all right
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he finds the key because it's the only
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a perfect school because no one can
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bully him because he's in virtual world
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fine that that all works for me it's its
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subsequent layers that where things
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second or third key they made a lot of
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second one a lot of like all these these
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experts especially the Sixers and
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everything racking their brains trying
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to figure out like they just can't get a
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foothold they don't even know where to
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begin they're just making not making any
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progress every one of them if you knew
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any part of the reference you're like oh
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yeah I think that's probably the you
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know something to do with the name of
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the DNG module and you know i got the
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first one the two before yeah
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and-and-and suppose the second one again
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I forgotten already
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I think the second one was or yes the
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not that I'm saying I solved me that I
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knew exactly what it was because he
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couldn't there was enough information
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that really but I I had an inkling I
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knew what I know what references they
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believe that these super experts would
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just be totally stumped and not know
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where to go and be missing the obvious
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how many people you know today come up
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with the you know tell in document every
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possible little obscure thing in the
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world right just type the closing to
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google and he'll get how there's no
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google in the future John yeah right
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Scott there's only oasis I mean I work
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at the company that makes dnd and i
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still play text adventures so those
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Clues didn't even read as close to me
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was oh tomb of horrors
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oh dork i know that's that's something
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like that they're trying to balance it
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when you're writing the book you don't
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want it to be so obscure that the
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average reader is gonna be like no human
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could have gotten that but on the other
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hand you don't have to be super easy and
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I felt like if this book is aimed the
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geeks every gig had some piece of
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knowledge they're like well that seems
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like it's going to be this thing it's
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the thing that makes it hard to set up
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right because the idea is supposed to be
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bye-bye premise alone right
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he's were locked into a world where
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nobody has found this thing yet right so
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I I think we're kind of stuck in that
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regard so it's really hard to pass that
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bar as the author and be like here's why
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it's so hard you know in a brainteaser
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fashion for everybody to have figured it
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out maybe they should just put a lot of
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guns around it or something it's kind of
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like scripting comedy show right where
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your show it like twice the joke why
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studio 60 failed is that the comedy on
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the behind-the-scenes comedy show wasn't
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actually funny it's the same basic
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principle we're all right i need these
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clues to be hard but at the same time
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they need to be brilliant and there's a
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certain level where the clues are fun
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but they're not they're not you know the
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hardest cryptography or puzzle that I've
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ever come across and that's maybe where
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we run into trouble that's the danger
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with using real information because had
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had this all been synthetic you know
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total fantasy world no relation to our
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own then you can make very clever
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puzzles you don't have to account for
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you don't you don't have to account for
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the varying levels of knowledge in the
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reader because all your readers have
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zero knowledge about your new world but
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if it's like yeah that's what's our
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world but I really now you're kind of
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screwed but as it is I jump right past
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our brilliant protagonist say Oh tomb of
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horrors and then I get mad because to
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move forward was actually reprinted in
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different editions for 2nd edition D&D
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not to mention that likes of the rules
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of Oasis are probably not you know
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standard D&D rules if you're going to
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open the door to super geeky stuff you
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absolutely have to get it right you
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better know it's going to come in
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otherwise you're asking for this kind of
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complaint it is true now I knew I was in
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trouble with the first clue when I knew
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the answer and I thought okay so he's
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written this book about really geeky
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things so that geeks like me will buy it
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geeks like me could solve it easily so
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we would feel special and he's pandering
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to me and now I hate him
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it's just a it's just a set of dominoes
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not going over right there it's true and
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then I I didn't like the book from them
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because every reference I thought more
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pandering I hate this guy but I think
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Jason made this a comment and I'll often
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for him he was like the pandering it's
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it annoyed me to the same reasons and
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Scott but the thing about it is and I
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didn't think this would happen to me but
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it did like three quarters with a bucket
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like an hour and reference reference
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reference reference reference what
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they're trying to do is like the night
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and when you see an interesting
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references like oh wow you know I didn't
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think anyone knew their reverence with
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me but these were so common like who
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doesn't know all these things like first
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bueller's day off thats obscure right
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our John Hughes movies or whatever herbs
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here in the dark future jail
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well you know i know they didn't talk
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about pandering to the readers but then
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finally towards the end he threw in a
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reference in like hey I didn't think
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other people knew about that like he got
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me with one out and soon as i read my
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damn you know 8950 references later one
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of them finally lands that I don't
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discount the rest of you Father and
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right into my trap and it was a it was
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black tiger the arcade game that I
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played way too much of that very few
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other people at least in my group of
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friends even knew the game existed miss
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this game only existed in the lobby
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outside modells it wasn't even in it
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wasn't even that in the actual video
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okay that I used to go to go to Modell's
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just play black tiger as you can see i
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enjoyed having a barrage of references
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all things that i love and then I got
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mad when i got to the chapter about rush
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because i don't like ride
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I don't recognize this at all something
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went wrong with my book
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yes and then he plays an interlude on a
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different if you had an older brother
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who was born in 10 years earlier than
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you you know if you shake the book a few
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times this little shuffle it up for you
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get sticks why wasn't it dr. Demento
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song definite you know I agree with
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Monty I i mean i have my criticisms of
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the book and I have places like one
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looking back on it I'm like a but the
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first I want to say the first love the
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books broken up into levels the first
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level i could not stop grinning because
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as absurd as it was and all of the
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references and although so it's
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post-apocalyptic world and there and yet
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they can all play this crazy video game
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in and final time into it
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all that aside it's really fun
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it's it's the kind of book where you
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don't have to concentrate a whole lot to
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figure out what's going on so you can
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bring it really fast and just be like oh
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yeah playing video games i feel like i'm
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12 again and that kind of highest kinda
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is fun it's not necessarily world
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literature but it was still a lot of
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know or you could just play a video game
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I wanted to say something about one of
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the parts of the book that I actually
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kind of liked which is so about midway
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through are our hero has removed himself
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to its cleveland right
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yes yeah mm-hmm this is how you can tell
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this book is fiction because cleveland
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is important well it was known as a
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holidays hometown that's why it wasn't
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there yes yes yeah well that's that's
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where their company that's where they
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help the company and that's where he
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goes so we can power and is good
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internet good internet yeah that's how
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you know he's not just Lord British and
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so he realizes at a certain point that
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he's going to be sort of stymied unless
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inside this corporation that is that is
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his main antagonist and so he sets up
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kind of up you know a scenario in which
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he ends up having to infiltrate them
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from the inside and get some information
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and get out and I kind of found that to
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be that might have been my
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my top five favorite part of the book
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with that I i really enjoyed those
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scenes that were you know because i felt
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like it took a little bit of a leap from
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the you know we were outside of the the
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game and we get a little more picture of
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this world that he lives in and
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particularly this this company and I
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thought that was really interesting
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I was just gonna say it reminds me of a
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terry gilliam's Brazil yes where you
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know they knocked on the door and take
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away because he is out of he's bankrupt
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or something and that he needs to enter
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into indentured servitude so he can
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repay his debt to his corporation and
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then he uses his mad hacker skills to
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figure out what's going on
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I love the idea by the way of indentured
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servitude due to credit card debt and
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I'm surprised that no major credit card
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corporation has figured out a way to do
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it yes this is not a political podcast
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no politics now I'm just amused by the
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idea as in science fiction book know as
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a science which ensure i mean you know
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it's not necessarily particularly
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original and so on right either but a it
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at least that was the part of which I
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felt from a plot perspective I actually
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felt there was some tension in this book
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well yeah because I mean you have him
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throwing basically throwing himself into
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a really sketchy situation whereas
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before it's like oh my virtual
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characters at stake but that's okay
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because I'm locked in this high tech
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room where everybody brings me my food
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and I have a virtual butler to make sure
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that i'm running and fit never used it
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yeah they're nerd fantasy right finally
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they'll find a fun way to get fit in in
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that world it's really it's very sterile
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and you and you do you step away from
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the game world so you're not being
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bashed with references every 10 minutes
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and I feel like it actually gives
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earnest clients writing a bit of a
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chance to breathe it's you know you're
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you're playing with actual plot
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developments here not just I missed a
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couple of references on top of each
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other and try and morph it into oh we're
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going forward he didn't necessarily have
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the crutch to lean on of the game and
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all the the 0 Maj but and like I said I
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felt like there was actually some
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tension here as opposed to like run was
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saying in in the game world where it
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is the the what's at stake feels very
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vague in some way so if the bad guys get
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this will suck because they'll take over
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the game and I make everybody pay for it
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and capitalism is bad it's very very
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confusing what's at stake for about a
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hundred pages his life's in danger until
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the literal deus ex machina other
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founder of the company shows up and says
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you can all come to my super secure
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it'll be fine hey guys its cool fly on
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did anyone else picture him as he was
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the okay good thank you thank you
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because that's exactly what I imagined i
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read this book right after Steve Jobs
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died it was impossible not to think of
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that well let's let's a detour first
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going to talk about some of the other
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characters in the book since you brought
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up the great and powerful log but we we
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do have you know the character Wade is
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not easy he's got a couple friends who
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are helping out with this we have h
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who's his sort of only friend
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great you know is supposed to be his
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sort of kindred spirit and then we have
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Artemis was another hunter who is a a
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basically our love interest they don't
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get much more three dimensional that and
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that is about all those two japanese
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guys is actually kinda like I actually
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kind of like those guys even if they are
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kind of ridiculous and stereotypical I
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thought the interesting part of these
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other two hunters Amy to he assumes are
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brothers for the longest time of these
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two japanese hunters and I think you
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know I guess I was more interested when
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I found out like more about them you
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know the people who are playing their
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characters when that twister comes up
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later in the book that these two people
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had like never met in real life despite
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going around basically pretending to be
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brothers and this online world it that
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was more of an interesting dynamic to me
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but you know we don't spend a lot of
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time with them because they're kind of
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secondary did you guys have like it was
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there any characters that you felt that
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we were particularly liked or felt were
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well thought-out and well-drawn I like
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startimus before she got introduced as
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the love interest when she's talked
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about more as oh there's this really
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badass girl who is right you know who is
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writing all about this in her in her web
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blog and keeping updates and and so
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she's great until she cums on screen
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until when she comes on screen then it
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becomes I mean I don't get me wrong I
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enjoy coming some of the banter between
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what i look like and what what's the
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in real life she just has a scar or some
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yes yeah i think with was it that with h
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AI right kind of story that was going
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but I felt there was even a bigger cheat
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too just like it it's just I where I
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thought it was going to go on it was
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gonna be like well that she's real is as
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a girl obviously and it seems logically
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logical that should be in love with the
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main character but I don't know we don't
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want to have that kind of conflict so
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let's just make her lesbian
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it's like you dodged that bullet
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well and they they kind of they kind of
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sock away any chance of actually making
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that interesting if you know if they
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were actually wanted to make a one
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triangle with her an artifact bigger the
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inmate would make perfect sense that
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should be a girl masquerading as a guy
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to you know be friends with this person
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but that she would be you know that it
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would be a triangle situation but not
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United interest she just bout just past
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the newbie don't wanna i unduly burden
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weighed with any sophisticated
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complicated emotional situations
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well let's be fair we don't wanna we
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don't want to love triangle in this book
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anyway I we're talking about please
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assist the silly infatuation triangle
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whatever I still say Artemis has more
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dimension than most of the female
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characters in The Wise Man's Fear
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because she does have skills of her own
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she's cheap she makes choices on her are
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you socially disengages for silly
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romantic reasons it's because she wants
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to more or less concentrated on her work
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noble I'm sorry honey I have to
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concentrate on my blog
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well you know i just showed she's not
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just like a no I'm not sick and I shan't
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Emma center and she's like I've got work
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to do she's not she's not pine and she
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and she does stuff on her own she didn't
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need to be rescued in the NHL she finds
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the second key before anybody else know
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mhm no I mean they're they're definitely
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things about her character that I like I
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the interaction between the two main
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characters just kind of like yeah but
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she has she has good qualities
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h-has interesting qualities even though
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we they're all they're all very tertiary
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if the problem is is you you get these
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hints that these characters could
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actually be really really interesting
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but because the book is so very Wade
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focused you don't get much more than
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well we're in his head so you like that
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regard we are sort of walked into him
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what about the the antagonists who the
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Sixers cardboard cutout uh so
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two-dimensional nothing going on but
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it's not literally
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yeah it's come on their the evil
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corporation and what did they do to show
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their evil they blow up a stack of
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trailers and they cheat in a game and
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they do everything possible to win
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unfairly Bob ya ever so not today all
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dress alike they have caring avatars
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it's true that's just offensive from
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this you know purely aesthetic you know
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they're evil their Stormtroopers they
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are ya era counts man you just don't
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know you don't know where that accounts
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been anything that's unsanitary true
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they have a starship so don't think
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writing so that's kind of cool end up
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planning they like a rude everybody gets
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a robot later on which is pretty awesome
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and so there are benefits to be evil but
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I wondered about the today or else what
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about the intellectual property is yes I
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was just going to say well that was
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exciting but there's obviously a movie
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adaptation of this coming and this is
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gonna be a nightmare from licensing
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perspective I think they'll just have
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everything from one property rights to
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do and I love you can keep making a
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movie yeah i don't know like GE and NBC
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owned enough things that surely you can
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just that's not our wizards of the coast
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not yet i mean you can write you can
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write a decent amount off on parody but
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that being said it's something its
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entirety when you're mouthing the words
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to Ferris Bueller it's not happening
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yeah that's seen it's gonna be hard to
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do but because we're gonna have to watch
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the entirety of Ferris Bueller inside
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its entirety of ready player one this
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movie's gonna be like eight hours long
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they do have that as a game now on
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connect it's just I just a scene and
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apparently it's really annoying to play
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more than once but I wondered how this
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actually worked in the world of the game
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because they have all these like they
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have the spaceships from like Firefly
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and Star Wars and Star Trek and it's
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like oh yeah intellectual property
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seized to exist for the same
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inexplicable reasons that all other
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values that we have today or disappeared
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once they ran out of gasoline
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I mean look at look at the mud that
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popped up in the eighties and the
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brushes I mean no one had the rights to
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create a star wars much for a cowboy
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bebop yes but that was text but I'm
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still saying it's the same its well but
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this this game is free to play this is
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this is a world-spanning right but it's
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the world it's the world but branching
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out of our world right look at city of
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you can't even have a character named
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wolf are keen but doesn't he mentioned
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in the book that so everyone gets an
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oasis free oasis account right and then
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you your avatars kind of playing and you
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have to pay to get other cool stuff so
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one imagines if everyone in the world is
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playing oasis all these companies would
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license their property so that you know
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players could buy you know you know an
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enterprise for you know whatever a
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hundred bucks and then paramount get a
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hundred dollars or you know probably
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thirty percent or whatever would be so
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kind of I mean I don't know if he went
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into that detail in his head but i will
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assume he did and that is how it
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explains all of those things in the
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I guess it's just a good thing that
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everyone of holidays childhood
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obsessions was owned by somebody who is
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willing to sign a license fee to this
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exactly i also thought it was strange
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that the most powerful person you know
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that we have this character holiday and
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I also thought it was weird that his his
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character in the game is named after
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like a jacket yeah and in some ways this
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whole week when I mean everything about
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this book is is basically a trope right
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like the plot the characters and the
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amaj and I guess you know it seems like
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it's one of those situations that should
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be a perfect storm of things that people
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like and yet it doesn't quite seem to
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succeed just community it doesn't have
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that one thing that people like which is
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a story is a story that keeps them
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guessing and I mean like with fine
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pandered to whatever but you want to you
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want to be kept like I'm i was going
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through the story but it was just you
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just saw where was going in there wasn't
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much surprised that's why the pacman
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steam so it out so much because there
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was so little in this thing that you
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knew kind of like in a movie that you
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know anything they show you it's like a
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wall you know that's gonna be
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significant is probably gonna save them
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in the end and because no one else is
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doing it like there wasn't enough stuff
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for you because it like a good mystery
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even a short little mystery although I
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mean enough stuff going on that you can
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immediately pick out a hobby when that
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guy came into the room put that thing
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down that was important because so much
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other stuff happens in the story and you
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wrapped up in the people in this thing
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it was just everything was just poking
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up out of the the ground really tall
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like here's this tower which is this
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plot point this power which is this plot
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point and it wasn't any meat on the
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bones you know you can't blame part of
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ernest cline being a screenwriter first
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and foremost but I think also it reflect
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its kind of a microcosm of the eighties
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culture that represents because I feel
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reading the book I feel like it's going
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and watching like an eighties movie and
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it's necessary you know watching war
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games where war games isn't higher and a
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lot of its predictable but it's still
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careful careful youyou've anger John
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siracusa hear you
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hey war games is one of my favorite
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eighties movies it's a it's a two-hour
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movie you know it's it like this yes is
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a much longer than a screenplay but
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isn't much of it is a much longer book
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but i'd say it reads it reads like a
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two-hour movie for better or for well
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that's because it is a two hour
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will be and it's you know it's not the
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film has already been options so it's
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clear that he broke this and he is a
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screenwriter right so he wrote a screen
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play in book form and now it's going to
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be a movie and the movie is going to
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know and maybe even more so just out of
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curiosity debut seen fanboys yes i have
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some stories just to share of fanboys
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please Marty okay actually I want to
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tell a quick story about Ernie clients
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first screenplay which was a fan written
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script for the theoretical buckaroo
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banzai against the world crime Lee ok so
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this is not his first half at writing
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something full of fan references
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somewhere in the early nineties he got
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impatient because buckaroo banzai is a
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great movie and it claimed to have a
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sequel and it wasn't happening so he
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wrote one that kind of mash it together
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with big trouble in little china as you
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do and it's pretty fun I actually
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contacted them back then emailed him and
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told him I liked it
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a friend of mine did too and he put her
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hong kong couple your character into his
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script but not you
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now not you I'm sorry much he didn't
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like my uncle your character as much i
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maintain the name platinum cowboy is
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totally buckaroo banzai appropriate
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anyway for fanboys I don't know if
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people know this but the basic plot of
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fanboys is that people want to go see
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the phantom menace before it comes out
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because that's when people thought
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Phantom Menace was going to be a good
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so these band of geeks getting a van
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they go cross-country and they break
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into Lucasfilm and I think they get
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caught and they see the movie what's
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weird is that the movie as made cuts out
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an essential plot element which is that
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one of them is dying of cancer
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yeah I've heard the story at us well and
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that's that was actually that actually
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I i would call that being in the version
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that i saw i thought they put that back
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i thought he basically held out until
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they put it back in because it was it
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was a big deal like i remember them
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going back and forth about like whether
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or not to take out this plot because i
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remember seeing it with some friends and
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like saying like telling the Masters
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like oh yeah they wanted to cut that
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whole thing out there like that makes no
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sense without like the movie has no plot
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without without that but when i saw it
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didn't have that in
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I may have to go back and watch it again
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as the version i saw was just people
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decide to go break in and see the movie
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a week early for no reason which seemed
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yeah which is which is a week a week 1
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this little bit anyway what's especially
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odd about the movie is that these sound
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was done by THX sound so Ernie actually
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got to go to Skywalker Ranch where THX
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sound is located in a giant barn and he
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was walked very carefully because
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apparently somebody who's written a
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script about people breaking into
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Lucasfilm is not entirely trusted while
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walking around loose on Skywalker Ranch
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I'm going to call his star wars
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credentials into question that always
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the events section where he talked about
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that he had gone through all the Holy
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trilogy with Lord of the Rings the
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matrix and stuff like that all the one
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of the ones listed with Star Wars and he
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says you're supposed to watch the
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original and prequel trilogy in that
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order and the fact that he telling you
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to watch the prequels at all
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Matt right now now I i actually just
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consult wikipedia tour by myself and i
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did now i recall this so basically the
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they took my cancer story line out and
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then before they released it they gave
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the director 36 hours to react it back
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in which he did and it was released with
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that in a release there was a release
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oh my it was it's it's not it's it's
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actually a pretty good movie I i would I
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thought it's pretty entertaining I mean
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clearly it's from a guy's huge stars
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heard it also has one of the best ending
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lines of any movie so I each clearly
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this is you know he this is a guy with a
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lot of appreciation for for pop culture
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I guess what get stabbed me in the end
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is the the curiosity of whether he has
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anything sort of his own to say because
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I feel like everything he does
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piggybacks on this and if you strip away
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all those so much like another another
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series III really love that that is big
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on the lodges is spaced which is a show
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that it is a sitcom which is slightly
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different but there's a lot of a margin
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there but it it somehow is only adds to
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its in service of its own story that's
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telling about people
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I I mean there's there's if you clip
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that out it would the story would still
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hold on that's more like it's part of
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the character of a space use references
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the same way like regular people like us
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to use references and then it's part of
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our life but it doesn't define our
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flyers you know it will be older and
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used them to illuminate a situation you
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find yourself in the situation itself is
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not directly related to some sort of
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the most in particular I think it's easy
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to like pac-man fine we all this not you
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don't need to be like into pacman to
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understand the concept of the perfect
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game and stuff like that but the way his
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game world works makes me think and the
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way he describes technology in general
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makes like is maybe he's not like maybe
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he doesn't play modern video games maybe
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he's not really that into technology you
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know well yeah I think his future world
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is not so much based on a logical
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expansion of mmos so much as reading
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snow crash I did the things he didn't
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put it's far enough in the future you
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know I had like I have a whole bunch of
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the whole list of quibbles and notes
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maybe i'll save them for the end more in
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style but a lot of the stuff in the book
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easy made me think that just gave me
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hints that like if you set your thing
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really far in the future i'll give it to
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compare with another sci-fi author who i
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like but who just makes up ridiculous
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like vintage vintage make his technology
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of engine makes up to just nonsensical
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but it's so far in the future and so
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distant we have that as long as a sort
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believable than this even though this
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was like ninety-eight percent the same
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as our technology just you know a little
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bit extrapolated but then he messes it
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up i think the problem is if you set
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this book 200 years in the future
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you've got people living in a weird
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cargo cult obsessively redoing things
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really long will you joke about
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everybody's remaking movies over and
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over and over again and soon we won't
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have any movies left to remake I feel
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like yeah that runs out after about 40
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well I think that be an interesting book
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do that but it rate over that for a
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thousand years and showed me that book
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i see what's going on here there you
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know this is what John Hughes movies are
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like in the future you mentioned the
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cargo cultures may be compared this even
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more to snow crash
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yeah which I which i think is you know
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obviously one of the sort of seminal
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metaverse style you know pieces and I I
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feel like it kept crashing up against
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this in some ways and yet at no crashes
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for me on arguably a better book but it
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doesn't quite have the same links into
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popular culture i guess but i guess
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maybe they're also just very different
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did you have any of you guys find
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anything in particular that you felt
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like stood out from this is a book
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because I heard that was talking to a
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friend about ready player one the other
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day and he said you know there's been a
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lot of people saying that this is you
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know this is a nerd classic and we
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should replace you know
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ender's game with ready player one and i
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just both of us were sitting there going
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how working do you think this book will
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last is that backlash against orson
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well I mean and that's one thing like
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you know that's a whole separate issue
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but i think i would say ender's game is
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a vastly better book than this I me and
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or perhaps that is suggested by people
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who have not read ender's game and this
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is the only science fiction book they
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have ever read what i like is this a
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game is this a game is a book and this
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is a game specifically a real and it's
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hardly has a book that has any longevity
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to it or you know now this book has an
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expired eight and it is like six months
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yeah I feel like it has to be read by
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somebody exactly my age with exactly my
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background somebody 10 years younger
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isn't gonna care about half of it
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I mean speaking as the 10 years younger
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contingent you're probably more than
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that I think I have to interrupt this in
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every show you know
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no I only because you all make me
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speaking as someone who's young and hip
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this is jive turkeys it's something that
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I was kind of considering was reading
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the book and then also afterwards I for
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some reason after i finished reading and
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I was contemplating the idea of a
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language built up entirely of pop
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culture references because i feel like
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and not to go all high and mighty
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judging society here but why not do it
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go take it society we're about 50
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minutes in the podcast so decide no
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younger younger children I kind of feel
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like on the whole a lot of the big
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things in the the big important stuff
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that were into is all it's all older
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culture like it's cool and hip for a 13
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or 14 year-old to like nineteen eighties
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movies right now it's cool and hip to
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dress in 1980 styles
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there's not really a defining you know
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dammit only missed it by 25 years
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yeah i was so close so close but it's
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it's strange and what the people who are
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saying ready player one is going to be a
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seminal classic I kind of wonder if
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that's not based on the the trend of
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culture right now which is basically
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regurgitating old things
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well what goes in cycles i remember
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american graffiti was not released in
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the time when people were dressing like
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that but there was a nostalgia for that
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period and there was kind of that that
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craze of bringing back that thing but
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that you know that past you know did we
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ever bring back the sixties and we
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brought back the fifties for a long time
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still do that you get the fifties diner
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sixties totally I mean you know i think
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when i was growing up in like the
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nineties when I was a teenager like
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there were a lot of people were very
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into the hippie culture that was clearly
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a big part of the 60 silent mode when I
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grew up in the eighties you know I
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listen to the beatles a lot when I was a
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little kid and you know i think that at
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that point you know that band had been
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broken up for over a decade
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so you know we always look back to the
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but the Beatles it's the Beatles is a
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good example something like long-lasting
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that will go on for a long long time
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because it was like you know the first
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big important rock band stuff like that
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but this is not the first big important
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scifi books on the first big important
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five book involving video games it's not
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the principles first of anything early
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well its most emphatically not the
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first of anything that's the whole
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planet and it's not even the first like
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iteration on pop culture it's not for me
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it's not even the first meta meta
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science fiction now so I don't think
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it's not sticking around to me know
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yeah and if it is we will hunt it down
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it's a fun but i still liked it
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oh alright so we have Monty and Ashley
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on the side of its it's a fun book those
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are both me you have Scott and John on
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the side of the angels I mean on the
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side of its terrible and i would
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probably lean towards that side but I
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mean I enter i enjoyed parts of it i
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don't want to wipe it entirely from my
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brain I guess which is which is a win
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for a brother that was fun to read it
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but I you so I read it
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my uh well I turned against the author
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partway through which is not good but
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you chained up in your basement here I
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don't have a basement so I killed him
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the no place to put I I came through so
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I would you know the height on this book
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was like oh my god this is going to you
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know redefine the field of science
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fiction and you have to read this book
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because it's gonna be super great so I
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was like all right i'll read this book
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it's gonna be super great those are all
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people who have never played video games
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are saying that apparently i wish i had
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the copy I have which I got out of the
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library because i read the if you read
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the back the quotes they had on the back
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I no quotes are the blurbs are terrible
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because they're always you know people
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pimping stuff but I went down the list
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of the people like these are people i
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really like and respect in these are
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good people but they're all that
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guarantee you they're all old
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some of them are in that module here is
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a list of names I have the book right no
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top charlaine harris author of the
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sookie stackhouse series although our
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don't play video games i was there was a
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older girls but I want to offend anybody
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who ever to terry brooks author of these
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nevermind i think back everything I said
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operating now later on the ground
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skullsy and patrick rothfuss yeah like
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scalzi and I like rafas with but it's
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weird that I mean scholars and brothels
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like getting your friends though too
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today bloggers book I mean it's like
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it's like marketing that's like I mean
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yeah those that's your crowd right like
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your you figure this cross-promotional
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marketing is my secret i guess that's
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neither here nor there but it was I like
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like Scott was saying about it being
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hyped up was like wow that sounds pretty
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cool and like the idea of it sounds cool
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enough but yeah found the execution did
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did fall kind of analyze and speaking of
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execution of like some1 people
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especially people on the show like Monty
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or glad or whatever say they're like one
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or two or three degrees separated from
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the people who actually wrote the book
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I've I start to feel bad about saying
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bad things about them about the people
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who wrote the book is like I don't want
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to hurt people's feelings
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wo you know Jason is best friend with
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best friends with val kilmer oh and I'm
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i find myself like censoring myself one
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of the things i had in my notes here and
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like and upsetting myself in this first
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several reasons but i think i should
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just say it and go against my better
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instincts here was 12 it well i'll start
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with our meetings this the central
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question to me when I'm reading this
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I've already like turn the Scott corner
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and I'm like against it and you know I'm
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fuming about various things for the
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central question but I don't know if I
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want that to be called the Scott move it
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is a good corner he's got your name and
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printed in the cement is is this book
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supposed to be written at like it was
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written by a teenage boy like it's his
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journal or is it just supposed to be a
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book from the perspective of a teenage
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boy but written by professional writers
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and I'm saying is when i read it reads
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like if I was 13 years old and started
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my little salt and pepper notebook to
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write myself a novel about an idea of
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this world and that sounds awful but but
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like but then I stopped my supposed to
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wait a second know what he's a
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professional author like I maybe I don't
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really know much about this guy maybe
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he's trying to write it like it's that
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thirteen-year-old busy really does read
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like Wade the character in the book
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wrote this book so what do you guys
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think is it mi is he a genius and it's
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supposed to written that way or is he
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just a terrible writer don't give him
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that is it's very much in Wade's voice
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you can't deny that it's in in the 18
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year olds voice and they were in his
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I think it I think it reads very much
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like a screenwriter tried to write a
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novel it's supposed to appeal to the
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thirteen-year-old Deacon all of us
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the question about it being written by
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like Walt it's it's as if it's written
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by weight is ok then can i write a book
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that looks like a book written by
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someone who has no idea how to write
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fiction because i can write that book
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right now because I have no idea how to
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write fiction and when they say this is
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a horrible box and no no you don't
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understand its it's from the perspective
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like this it's you know its first person
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is from the perspective of a character
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and the character in the book doesn't
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know how to write fiction so this is his
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journal and that's why i'd make all the
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same mistakes that have you known him
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saying I'm going crazy reading this book
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Thinking is horrible writer i am I going
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if you can do that and simultaneously
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tell a good story than yes PG Woodhouse
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created Bertie Wooster who's an idiot
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but birdie as a protagonist and as the
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narrator still manages to somehow convey
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a complicated story that's what's it
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like yeah they're there are books like
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that where there will be written you
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know its first person and the character
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tells you everything and it's in the
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voice of the character but the thing
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that burns about this is that Bernie
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doesn't come across as a if there's a
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difference between the weights rewrite
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bad like not quite dramatically bad
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writing because it's an automatically
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very simplistic writing like a lot of
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sentences are like he did this and then
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he did this I i pulled out i pulled out
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a couple examples here okay so this is
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all right so let's start with this one
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this move was a shut your hole penis
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ville IROC replied using his favorite
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mispronunciation of my avatars name
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using his favorite mispronunciation my
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avatars name you don't write that like
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you don't you don't expect we understand
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that his name is possible you have the
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guy say panvel you know it it's you
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don't put confident it's your show not
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it's your show Yeah right and you know
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what what a pumpernickel this was a game
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we played always called him by some
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random h named Harry Hubert Hogan Knows
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you Bob we will get if you just keep
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calling major his name is H in the game
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we're not idiots like but that's what
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you would write if you were like if
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you're 13 years old because you wanted
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right out the part that says see how
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clever it is i thought that they should
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always be called my agent you know and
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that stuff is what a kid would write in
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his little notebook when he's writing a
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story but it's not what Wade would think
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it's I don't know if I Drive myself
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crazy when he would think but it's yeah
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it's not something that should actually
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be in the box yeah well it's something
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you think when you're not feet because
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when you think you don't filter your
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thoughts right like they just all happen
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whereas when you're writing stuff down
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your choosing right and that's what
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makes it either a good writer better and
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and the worst the worst thought I had
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which is that when I reading this was
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especially after I like all the reviews
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it and all the things you're talking
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about everyone saying this is the
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greatest book ever and stuff like that
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I i would I thought to myself and this
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is not true but i actually have this
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thought that I could write something
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like this this is famous guys getting
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famous i could write this which is not
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true I totally cannot write i cannot
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even right you know not even close right
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but the fact that thought occurred to me
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shows how angry I was at the the craft
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of writing on this malay in this book it
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is angered me huh
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alright so for everybody listening out
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there John syracuse a highly recommend
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it and also claims that he can write a
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well I I think we're nanowrimo John
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we're getting we're getting we're
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getting your only eight days late get on
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ya know I know I can't but the fact that
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thought even entered my head to show us
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how to better place this book romito
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alright so we're getting close to really
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be our allotted time here so I'm gonna
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ask if anybody else wants to throw out
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anything about this before we before we
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wrap up the name by did I not hit
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anything something on any of your lists
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that i would say what I liked was the
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references because they were directed at
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me when I would be fascinated to read
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the version of this book where all the
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references are either imaginary or
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things i didn't get and see what I
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mm so it's all a book entirely about
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rush but haha the umberto eco book the
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mystery of Queen Lana is also a burrata
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preferences but it's a broader
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references to umberto eco's childhood in
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Italy and it makes no sense to me at all
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I think this podcast maybe the only time
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that this ernest cline will be compared
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to PG Woodhouse and umberto eco
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it's just let that go and open that echo
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book is just a series of somebody saying
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oh and then i'll pick up this book for
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my childhood memory memory memory
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oh and there's a picture i liked so it's
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like a like a seven-year-old tell the
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well no the sentences are a lot longer
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marketplace because he's a freshman
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semiotician like unless my favorite
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thing from you think my favorite thing
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about this book was is that you've it's
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over you finished it was that a it has a
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bright color on the cover to show
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something that I said it shows something
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that I suspected for a long time does
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that you could make a good story about
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the things that we enjoy about video
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games like you know when you're playing
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a video game and you get you know you
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it's an enjoyable experience and it's
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hard to relate let's relate that
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experience to somebody who doesn't play
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video games perhaps and I like to have
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this this book even though it's kind of
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just a minor aspect of it could show
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like having this artificial rule the
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world with this set of rules and the
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things you can do it in the end exploits
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that you have there can be fun and I
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like the fact that it was it was so
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close to modern MMOs that it wasn't like
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like ender's game or some other fantasy
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type thing where it's just so far in the
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future it's like well we have nothing
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like the now it's like we have things
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like this now and people experience
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without the trail blowing up part but
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you know experience in games this type
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of experience and see its kind of
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exciting and I'll be interested to see
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if they can make a movie out of it that
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also expresses that you know this is the
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fun that people have playing games and
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here it is in the screen because
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whenever they do it in movies it's
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always so horrible and even this book I
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was kind of stay at the end or like sea
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and in the real world is the only place
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where you can really have any fun know
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the game is fun to you know that
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moralizing at the end i just want to
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it's like it Indian don't you know that
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we have to like yes okay fine to have
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actual sex instead of cyber sex that's
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better I'm with you there but like video
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games are fun too
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that's real there's a real fun
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experiences so that was my favorite part
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of this book is it showed it can be done
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and you don't have to pretend it's in
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some fantasy world has no relation to
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our own so maybe the movie of this won't
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be good but the video game adaptation of
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the movie will be a daunting want to
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think about just like the matrix video
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games are awesome and then the
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novelization by umberto economical
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quick little know-it-all comes around
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and then the DNG module based on the
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adaptation of the novel of the video
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game of the movie of the book will be
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available in stores all right i think
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i'm going to leave their we're going to
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come back next time on the book of and
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talk about another book that also
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strangely enough deals with multiplayer
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online games although that it takes a
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sharp left turn and that's Neal
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Stephenson's Rudy it takes a sharp left
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turn and then goes for six miles on foot
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six you think it was just six anyways
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that's for next time so I'd like to
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thank all of my panelists can't make
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Nothing though the pleasure was all mine
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John siracusa with pleasure
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Monty action game over and serenity
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cultural show so much fun
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well thank all of you and for Jason's
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now this is the uncomfortable
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we'll see you next time
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oh you're on it you want me to go
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through my my complaints on key is a
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neck world-building alright so it's one
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hit they rattle off that always can
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handle up to 5 million simultaneous
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users with no discernible agency and no
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chance of a system crash that's like an
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understand technology noticeable agency
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so the speed of light is suspended now
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you figure if they have a handle on the
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speed of light their energy crisis would
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you know and no chance of a system crash
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it's a new overclock processor it's so
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fast its cycle time Bourdon precognition
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first of all overclocking that was like
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so two decades ago and cycle time board
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its original mission make no sense but
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like I asked my mother to write a
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sentence about how fast the cpu a 10-10
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zettabyte flash drive does anyone know
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how big a zettabyte is anybody 10
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million terabytes you could give a one
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terabyte hard drive to every man woman
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and child on earth and still have to
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like stacked you on their heads at and
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then and then he he transfers 10
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zettabytes of data and in just over
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three hours that's just that's just
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sighs I if my math is right into the few
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times i think that's 1 billion terabytes
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I don't know where they're getting that
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kind of throughput it doesn't really
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make much Leland
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ya heard thunder you mentioned
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Thunderbolts given pixel images that his
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avatars killed you lose all his stuff
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and the three levels he'd managed to
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gain over the past few years what kind
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of a memo has a thing where you pay for
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a few years and your level 3 not a
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successful in all that's what I you
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don't have a sneak off to a 33
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dimensions that one of the guys i think
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was arguing or something had had played
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he played all those games he said they
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were actually pretty good he was a
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decent quarterback before he sold his
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soul mate was talking about the 64 guy
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he's a decent coder you have you don't
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these days and any modern area you don't
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make good games are being a decent coder
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coders don't make the games it's the art
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assets and the you know you need a huge
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team of artists and writers to make a
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game it's not coder I think that's the
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standard my shortlist i compiled for
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thing but just these technical yeah you
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wait wait wait to hear my pockets and
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steve jobs biopic on air more this year
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