The Incomparable

71: The Holiday Movie Vault


  the Intolerable podcast number 71 [TS]

  December 2011 [TS]

  welcome back to the incomparable podcast [TS]

  I'm your host Jason smell it is the [TS]

  holiday season as we record this in [TS]

  december and so we're trying to be a [TS]

  little seasonal that's why our topic [TS]

  today is holiday movies that we love not [TS]

  that we hate that we love [TS]

  that's what John syracuse isn't here [TS]

  because this is all about love not hate [TS]

  a love it's the season for love it love [TS]

  conquers all [TS]

  everything is about happiness and [TS]

  goodness and I'm sure none of us will [TS]

  ever disagree with anybody else's [TS]

  comments [TS]

  okay that's probably at acting too [TS]

  asking too much [TS]

  I agree with you so to discuss the [TS]

  holiday movies that we love [TS]

  let's play debert to spread the love i [TS]

  would like to introduce my guess my many [TS]

  many guests who are going to share the [TS]

  love and spread the holiday holiday joy [TS]

  first off Steve Lutz hi Steve a Merry [TS]

  Christmas you wonderful drafty old barn [TS]

  also joining me serenity Caldwell hello [TS]

  hello dayson you don't have a wacky zany [TS]

  holiday of expression to share my god [TS]

  did I just do the same universe it is [TS]

  Amy all dear I manicures a meanness for [TS]

  the actual movies and then the [TS]

  introduction of lip kid that gets you [TS]

  one up on Steve Glenn Fleischman is also [TS]

  here Glenn how happy Holidays to you [TS]

  lose Powell's social spoils [TS]

  well it's bleedin you're in a year in a [TS]

  mixed household are you not do you do [TS]

  not do Hanukkah and Christmas we're sort [TS]

  of mix between atheism and something [TS]

  else i don't know if this so as you're [TS]

  celebrating the solstice and the [TS]

  movement of the earth around the Sun as [TS]

  as a friend of mine asked me in college [TS]

  when she found out I was Jewish he said [TS]

  you don't celebrate Christmas now I said [TS]

  she said not even commercially and as [TS]

  I've grown up I discover in fact that is [TS]

  that we celebrated we celebrate [TS]

  Christmas in a commercial spirit through [TS]

  Christmas observed for our children for [TS]

  purchase and then 22 visitors who have [TS]

  been on the podcast before and I [TS]

  back to celebrate with us first off damn [TS]

  freaks hide and welcome [TS]

  hi you know I really didn't think this [TS]

  is the christmas movies that suck [TS]

  episode [TS]

  no no no I'm gonna kill prepared i'm [TS]

  gonna have to hang up on you [TS]

  one man season the wonders another man [TS]

  suck thats that's what if that's what [TS]

  makes you feel the love is I want to [TS]

  terrible hope is that the episodes a [TS]

  designated circulating yeah i'm playing [TS]

  Little John series tonight [TS]

  yikes where this is American League [TS]

  rules so and also joining us is a man [TS]

  who loves every Christmas movie and has [TS]

  never said anything negative about any [TS]

  christmas-themed movie ever in his life [TS]

  mr. Andy anarcho hello every new year to [TS]

  you in jail go on home Jason there [TS]

  waiting for you how this is the greatest [TS]

  podcast ever isn't it though [TS]

  god bless us everyone happy birthday i [TS]

  just made an angel [TS]

  I want you to Pixies go to the door out [TS]

  the window [TS]

  it gave me i'm handing out winners don't [TS]

  just only those who listen to copper [TS]

  realize we have no format and i have no [TS]

  organizational principle for any episode [TS]

  this is no different [TS]

  so what I'm going to do is go around the [TS]

  the table the virtual table of our panel [TS]

  and ask them to bring up a particular [TS]

  movie that they would like to to just [TS]

  slobber all over with adoration and love [TS]

  for the colony goodness that it brings [TS]

  to all of our lives or something like [TS]

  that or at least their own life right [TS]

  exactly right now we of course what will [TS]

  happen is that the rest of us will sit [TS]

  there and go [TS]

  yes yes absolutely or mmm [TS]

  and now maybe not and that's a then [TS]

  you've got a podcast so let's begin with [TS]

  Glenn fleischmann really i have a [TS]

  modern-day classic exactly but it's a [TS]

  lot of fun you know there's all the [TS]

  classic films we do try out things like [TS]

  holiday and so forth that we try to [TS]

  watch over here just for fun but I like [TS]

  elf will ferrell's elf and I was [TS]

  discussing this with a couple people in [TS]

  the last few days some of whom do not [TS]

  understand the glory that is elf because [TS]

  they think of it as kind of a uneven [TS]

  movie that sort of stupid and I think [TS]

  they don't quite get the spirit behind [TS]

  it because one of the things that i love [TS]

  about Will Ferrell is his total [TS]

  commitment and on Saturday Night Live [TS]

  that didn't always work because he [TS]

  sometimes had really terrible characters [TS]

  but he was totally committed to it and [TS]

  you you know I even if you hated this is [TS]

  my love her schedule my lover think he [TS]

  did with Rachel Dratch I kinda hate that [TS]

  one but he was all there and an elf [TS]

  he's a child who is actually found by or [TS]

  so left get left behind or something or [TS]

  adopted winds up being raised the North [TS]

  Pole by i bought a new heart by bob [TS]

  newhart is awesome my always thinks he's [TS]

  an elf we find that he's adopted even [TS]

  though he's you know six and a half foot [TS]

  tall and all the other officer repeat [TS]

  all you rather lay in his childhood and [TS]

  his twenties and he's not as good a [TS]

  healthy thing so he goes to seek out his [TS]

  up his real parents as biological [TS]

  parents and Friends his mother's gone [TS]

  and his father is of course James Caan [TS]

  and worse it's I find the movie and it's [TS]

  just great and at some other steam [TS]

  version is that much as mom and there is [TS]

  a God as they're playing Santa Claus [TS]

  it's crazy movie it's not you know its [TS]

  own forget of course there's a love [TS]

  interest station and sort of slowly [TS]

  forgetting it so i always want to see [TS]

  additional but it is not sweet dishes [TS]

  and we know it is rejection is in fact [TS]

  only dish now this case your your [TS]

  instinct is correct i wanted to say [TS]

  Scarlett has additionally been wanting [TS]

  for a rolls and I think the movie it's a [TS]

  lot of fun because you know Will Ferrell [TS]

  his character believes he's now and in [TS]

  Santa Claus exists and RL so it's not [TS]

  played [TS]

  for muggin which are terrible movies [TS]

  it's not played as farce exactly there's [TS]

  a lot of slapstick and farcical things [TS]

  he's an alpha star seekers dad and james [TS]

  caan is awesome because James Caan is [TS]

  doing a James Caan role he's kind of a [TS]

  hard-ass and he doesn't really dig the [TS]

  whole thing and he doesn't believe [TS]

  anything that buddy the elf played by [TS]

  Will Ferrell is saying for a while until [TS]

  he starts to come around and it's [TS]

  discreet things like it's oh my god [TS]

  thats you know MF and james caan they're [TS]

  being cut James Caan and because of that [TS]

  is that it's a film I think it kind of [TS]

  holds together and it's got some great [TS]

  seats got some stupid stuff and of [TS]

  course mother some lovely bits and [TS]

  there's just a nice little things where [TS]

  buddy the elf what's up essentially he [TS]

  has a job at a department store or [TS]

  thinks he has a job Department story [TS]

  just starts working there because that's [TS]

  where Santa is all the elves and he [TS]

  stays overnight in the store and creates [TS]

  of course because he is he's been [TS]

  trained by else he creates in the most [TS]

  crazy ridiculous over-the-top display [TS]

  and no one can figure out you know who [TS]

  did it and they for your corporate [TS]

  corporate set down someone to do this [TS]

  because they weren't you know [TS]

  sufficiently cheerful enough for [TS]

  something and of course it has the [TS]

  obligatory so additional in the shower [TS]

  scene which every move she appears and I [TS]

  believe contractually has to have her in [TS]

  the shower [TS]

  she's in Hitchhiker's Guide the shower [TS]

  i'm sure you know everything i can think [TS]

  she's in the shower and and that's in [TS]

  there too i agree though that that every [TS]

  every move its traditional is in should [TS]

  have a shower scene with her in it and [TS]

  not will ferrell I didn't really start [TS]

  the people the people like elf because I [TS]

  don't know if we watched over here we [TS]

  bought it we watch it every year i like [TS]

  i like a lot i loved Alf I'll i think [TS]

  it's great i watch it for the first time [TS]

  a couple years ago when I I do like it I [TS]

  like it it accepts its own absurdity [TS]

  you're right in saying that will ferrell [TS]

  commits that's actually the thing i love [TS]

  about Will Ferrell and he's made a lot [TS]

  of bad movies and he's made some good [TS]

  movies but i think his best attribute is [TS]

  that he fully commit and will do any [TS]

  level of ridiculousness that is required [TS]

  and even if i don't like the movie that [TS]

  I'm watching if I will often just smile [TS]

  at the fact that will Ferrell is doing [TS]

  everything possible to try and make it [TS]

  work [TS]

  yeah not fun it is they do now in the [TS]

  money he's there it moving they suck but [TS]

  he is there and this character of Buddy [TS]

  the elf is fully committed to Christmas [TS]

  right he's insanely maniacally committed [TS]

  in a way that no regular person would be [TS]

  and that's right right exactly and [TS]

  that's why and that's why it works and [TS]

  you and I wanted to bring up [TS]

  I mean there's that there's a hilarious [TS]

  scene where Peter Dinklage is mistaken [TS]

  by buddy for a real elf is he's an angry [TS]

  oh yeah but I like there's a scene that [TS]

  I love that where he gets a job and it's [TS]

  like a boiler room [TS]

  it's a start maybe they'll raise [TS]

  concepts into the mailroom to do sorting [TS]

  to keep matters here which is a classic [TS]

  Christmas show [TS]

  yeah exactly Miracle on thirty-fourth [TS]

  Street right exactly but it's but it's [TS]

  like the mailroom as hell it is like the [TS]

  worst place in the world and Buddy the [TS]

  elf shiny know and Buddy the elf astern [TS]

  on anyway yeah so I agree I i love well [TS]

  it's a good thing that's exactly the [TS]

  thing I like so much about it i mean [TS]

  it's it's the only recent a holiday film [TS]

  that i can think of this really true to [TS]

  the spirit of the older classics and and [TS]

  it has a lot of kind of nifty little [TS]

  references to the older films like I'm [TS]

  pretty sure that the mailroom was there [TS]

  because it was you know is featured in [TS]

  Maryland sorcery fourth Street exactly [TS]

  and actually I watched it last night [TS]

  because I hadn't seen in awhile and and [TS]

  noticed a couple of good little bits of [TS]

  trivia in the in the credits are playing [TS]

  one of the polar bear cubs at the [TS]

  beginning when he's in the North Pole [TS]

  and there's various animals and stop [TS]

  motion animation Ray Harryhausen that I [TS]

  think he has maybe two lines but you [TS]

  know it's it's just super cool that [TS]

  they've got this sort of a you know stop [TS]

  motion animation going on in there a [TS]

  providing the voice instead of instead [TS]

  of burl ives being the Snowman it's at [TS]

  Leon Redbone hook boat only a redbone [TS]

  this is my problem it's I'd also say [TS]

  it's gotta you know for those of us and [TS]

  publishing it's got that bit where James [TS]

  Caan is a children's book publisher is [TS]

  publishing these terrible things any [TS]

  signs off on proofs that have a blank [TS]

  page in it and I'm like I can't believe [TS]

  everything else I can believe the elf [TS]

  insanity office [TS]

  everything but I cannot believe he would [TS]

  actually sign those proofs [TS]

  no he's just that naughty the depiction [TS]

  of Santa is very realistic depiction of [TS]

  the publishing industry that's what not [TS]

  so much [TS]

  yeah and then lastly and I would never [TS]

  cut this without seeing the credits [TS]

  because it's been forever since I've [TS]

  seen him I the character of the elf [TS]

  foreman who kind of a no frowns on but [TS]

  he's okay boys is actually Peter [TS]

  Billingsley he's uncredited alright he's [TS]

  uncredited but yes he does tomorrow play [TS]

  that part and you would never recognize [TS]

  him he may or may not come up later for [TS]

  obvious reasons right yeah once you [TS]

  realize it's him and end you take a good [TS]

  look at him and you see those you know [TS]

  bright blue eyes looking at you like oh [TS]

  god has been feeling like crazy [TS]

  I'm so because he's mostly a producer [TS]

  now is me pretty hard riding so yeah [TS]

  yeah that's exactly the same now as you [TS]

  did and kind of weak little little [TS]

  freaky part of this great about this [TS]

  film is like every secondary character [TS]

  is a terrific character in traffic actor [TS]

  so it's got you know one-half of of Jack [TS]

  Black and Kyle gasps aah gasps and it's [TS]

  also Emily and the director is the one [TS]

  that the writing team right to them and [TS]

  you've got Amy Sedaris looking pretty [TS]

  not making her face deformed as the [TS]

  secretary James Caan and another thing [TS]

  it's not it's very nice i'm still trying [TS]

  to figure out how Mary Steenburgen and [TS]

  james caan made that little italian boy [TS]

  it's true i just love her she's so sweet [TS]

  this film has a crazy amount of [TS]

  sweetness and for being such a strange [TS]

  weird thing it's just it's very sweet at [TS]

  the end when everyone starts singing you [TS]

  better not cry better not how it is i [TS]

  actually tear up it's it's just it's [TS]

  genuinely sweet and just kind of a [TS]

  lovely thing I'm glad people liked it [TS]

  we are going to put elf in the in the [TS]

  vault in the movie vault on the nice [TS]

  list which is no light or air correct [TS]

  that's right we poke some holes in it so [TS]

  it can breathe from there it's on the [TS]

  nice list thank you glad that is [TS]

  excellent use of the theme [TS]

  let's uh let's move on and i'm going to [TS]

  let damn freaks have our next choice [TS]

  this movie is not officially a holiday [TS]

  movie but so much of it takes place on [TS]

  the holidays that I'm demon it so and I [TS]

  should also say that probably [TS]

  the big reason that i love it so much is [TS]

  because my wife and I have always loved [TS]

  it and so it's got a lot of sentimental [TS]

  value but it also has to do with all the [TS]

  things that make you know the holidays [TS]

  great family being together with you [TS]

  know with your loved ones for Godfather [TS]

  admit it [TS]

  yeah but aren't and that is actually [TS]

  1989's When Harry Met Sally ohh haha and [TS]

  we love this movie it's more of a new [TS]

  year's movies and creates its holidays [TS]

  you know they're dragging the Christmas [TS]

  tree through New York City yeah there's [TS]

  all these you know there's the Bing [TS]

  Crosby version of have yourself a merry [TS]

  little christmas which I contend is the [TS]

  best version sorry Frank fans and you [TS]

  know there's lots of scenes on the [TS]

  holidays lots of things about being [TS]

  together with people the holidays being [TS]

  ripped apart from people at the holidays [TS]

  and in the end it's you know you know [TS]

  the the final scene in The New Year's [TS]

  party where they say hey this is what [TS]

  I've been looking for all along what [TS]

  I've been doing and it's it's around our [TS]

  family it's sort of the holiday movie we [TS]

  make sure we watch once a year [TS]

  dan my wife and I watched try to watch [TS]

  that movie on new year's eve every every [TS]

  yes and and and the other thing I think [TS]

  is really interesting about it is that I [TS]

  i told my wife when I guess it was last [TS]

  year I said you know this was the very [TS]

  first aaron sorkin movie because the [TS]

  although that because the dialogue in it [TS]

  was at the time when it when it came out [TS]

  9990 dialogue around really snappy [TS]

  dialogue and lower and more effort but [TS]

  Peter people are talking over each other [TS]

  people talking over each other people [TS]

  talking over each other all right back [TS]

  and forth back and forth back and forth [TS]

  you know like the wave no one really [TS]

  actually talk to your life but he's [TS]

  funny and so we were laughing about that [TS]

  because we're thinking now it's all the [TS]

  rage you know for these air circuit [TS]

  movies they had that kind of dialogue [TS]

  but in 99 this was pretty interesting [TS]

  way of having you know two characters in [TS]

  the movie talk [TS]

  yeah i am meg Ryan has never looked [TS]

  lovelier in a couple of scenes in the [TS]

  middle of that movie so or yet or been [TS]

  better and billy crystal has never [TS]

  looked better cuz for frankly really [TS]

  yeah he's never look that's the only [TS]

  movie which i could buy him as a [TS]

  romantic lead after I exactly oh yeah [TS]

  I've seen in other films he's always [TS]

  he's always too sticky he's always too [TS]

  during the week with the thing and this [TS]

  is actually [TS]

  sort of honest lots of his stand-up [TS]

  lines are actually in this movie better [TS]

  right hehe something about it he's a [TS]

  he's not so sticky hehe it's a little [TS]

  more rounded of character [TS]

  I think it helps that his character is [TS]

  so beaten down so early in the movie [TS]

  when he's like that he's abandoned by [TS]

  his wife she leaves him for another man [TS]

  that gets you on his side a little bit [TS]

  and I think that helps that movie [TS]

  structurally to have this your review [TS]

  how to root for him a little because mr. [TS]

  0new yeah well it's Charlie and his [TS]

  character actually developed over the [TS]

  course the movie like you said so he's [TS]

  he's he's kind of the cheesy obnoxious [TS]

  guy for the first you know 45 minutes in [TS]

  there you suddenly see is his softer [TS]

  side I his is I've been rubbed in the [TS]

  ground side and he comes you know in the [TS]

  end he turns out he's actually a really [TS]

  good guy but yeah there's so much so [TS]

  many quotable i just kind of like the e [TS]

  the princess bride of romantic comedies [TS]

  it's like the contemporary adult radio [TS]

  or the princess bride and a good Carrie [TS]

  Fisher I think this is the only other [TS]

  things other than Star Wars of the [TS]

  carrie fisher's been in that I liked but [TS]

  Carrie Fisher and Bruno Kirby really [TS]

  plays so great they were awesome as [TS]

  important like in there in the thirties [TS]

  and forties those the sort of actors who [TS]

  could have made a 30-year career playing [TS]

  the best friend of the leading man in [TS]

  the leading lady and they just would've [TS]

  been every single movie they would have [TS]

  retired very very wealthy and very well [TS]

  known about ever having other name above [TS]

  the title [TS]

  Bruno Kirby yeah he is he's great miss [TS]

  they're both great miss this is a and [TS]

  they're not that many characters in this [TS]

  movie really i mean they're really the [TS]

  four characters and a few other very [TS]

  minor characters it really is about the [TS]

  for the for the characters and and they [TS]

  try to try to double date with the wrong [TS]

  pair and it's very clear immediately [TS]

  that Bruno Kirby and Carrie Fisher want [TS]

  to be together and they abandoned harry [TS]

  and Sally leave them by themselves it's [TS]

  just yeah just adore also great to cameo [TS]

  Rob Reiner mother of course right who [TS]

  says I'll have what she's having [TS]

  and gerald ford's son is also in this [TS]

  movie really thats some trivia the it's [TS]

  always boyfriend who she who takes he [TS]

  takes her to the airport which you [TS]

  should never do at the beginning of a [TS]

  relationship because then later right [TS]

  you don't take them to the airport they [TS]

  say why didn't you take why don't you [TS]

  take me to the airport anymore say I've [TS]

  seen this movie too many times yes [TS]

  yeah yeah might my wife and we were [TS]

  first courting each other we would put [TS]

  this movie far too much it's a little [TS]

  scary but and then all of course all the [TS]

  know the little vignettes with the the [TS]

  old couples where you're perfect for the [TS]

  right yeah I think that's a great choice [TS]

  but to keep and keeping my my string of [TS]

  a job damn of odd movies but like I [TS]

  picked groundhog day for time travel so [TS]

  I'm just going for that unusual [TS]

  what every time a great choice great [TS]

  choice dan will put it in the vault then [TS]

  we can cuddle up next to elf will [TS]

  ferrell will be fully committing the [TS]

  cuddling up next to when harry met sally [TS]

  let's go to mr. Andy anat cohen next [TS]

  I'll a proposed choice because by pic [TS]

  has actually already been mentioned [TS]

  groundhog day I think it's one of my all [TS]

  exactly see well it's even this is this [TS]

  is like the preparation you do for this [TS]

  for this kind of a topic because I'm [TS]

  like well okay sent a clear the mystery [TS]

  science theater 3000 version of santa [TS]

  claus conquers the martians or the [TS]

  cinematic titanic personal that's great [TS]

  that's a great pic visit there's a [TS]

  perfect it's the perfect enhancement to [TS]

  a really really awful movie but there's [TS]

  not really much to talk about it's [TS]

  really really funny [TS]

  well done ten bucks most money goes to [TS]

  the people who actually put it together [TS]

  good go for it I I i think that I I [TS]

  didn't pick groundhog day specifically [TS]

  for this topic I've always thought that [TS]

  groundhog day is probably the most [TS]

  authentic version of a christmas carol [TS]

  that's ever been done in the form of a [TS]

  moon even more so than the other bill [TS]

  murray christmas carol was going to say [TS]

  screws try screws by now the idea of a [TS]

  christmas carol the idea of Scrooge's so [TS]

  homogenized that all you got to do is [TS]

  get a dude column Scrooge make sure he's [TS]

  rich and really really nasty at the very [TS]

  top of the movie and you okay the [TS]

  government will allow you to get the tax [TS]

  break that has occurred that as a [TS]

  according to you by virtue of the fact [TS]

  you're making virtual christmas carol [TS]

  they don't really sort of tune into what [TS]

  the story was really about like if you [TS]

  if you take the time to really like free [TS]

  the original story which is really an [TS]

  amazing or listen to Patrick Stewart's [TS]

  dramatic reading of it which is as close [TS]

  as you're going to get to actually [TS]

  reading the original story because the [TS]

  whole story of Christmas Carol [TS]

  was supposed to be if you if you're [TS]

  gonna make a great version of this you [TS]

  have to understand that screws in the [TS]

  villains Scrooge's the hero of the story [TS]

  where he has to rehabilitate himself he [TS]

  has to spend one night confronting [TS]

  everything that's going on in his life [TS]

  all the mistakes that he's made at the [TS]

  end it's not that he's terrified that [TS]

  gosh what if I've been it's been proven [TS]

  to me that if I don't change my ways i'm [TS]

  gonna die and go to hell [TS]

  it's more like God I have been one big [TS]

  bus load of crap for my entire life [TS]

  unfortunately i have some unfortunately [TS]

  I'm i woke up in the morning I got and I [TS]

  had an opportunity to make this day [TS]

  better than any other day that I've ever [TS]

  had my entire life really more of a [TS]

  horse-drawn carriage load [TS]

  no I think they they did have the honor [TS]

  of respect and I think that they could [TS]

  have created it specifically for the [TS]

  load of crap which was was it wasn't [TS]

  just the crap in his life he was a [TS]

  leading export of crap in other people's [TS]

  lives [TS]

  I'll accept that so and this was the [TS]

  Industrial Revolution so he probably [TS]

  would have paid to have small tiny tiny [TS]

  workhouse children assembling all the [TS]

  gears and rods in this machine because [TS]

  he was he was quick it was a factory [TS]

  town for emotional crap everywhere [TS]

  everywhere around the Scrooge and Marley [TS]

  business district but so but what is [TS]

  Groundhog Day but the entire that same [TS]

  entire thing where Bill Murray is he's [TS]

  not named screw just not Christmas [TS]

  although we have lots and lots of snow [TS]

  around so we can call that you know nice [TS]

  and Christmassy in wintry a his whole [TS]

  job is to figure out a it is certainly [TS]

  to figure out what's wrong with his life [TS]

  what is he not doing correctly [TS]

  why is he being YC so selfish and [TS]

  self-centered why does he absolutely not [TS]

  spend any time thinking about anybody [TS]

  else [TS]

  and although there's never any stated [TS]

  rule as to why he's living this day over [TS]

  and over and over again [TS]

  there comes the day when he lives this [TS]

  day perfectly where he's doing nothing [TS]

  but thinking about other people not [TS]

  because he's desperate to avoid faith [TS]

  but because he's been trapped in the [TS]

  state for I think I'll Ramos said that [TS]

  the original plan was that he was sort [TS]

  of stuck in this day for 10 years but by [TS]

  the end of the movie so over 10 years he [TS]

  had basically played out every other [TS]

  scenario of [TS]

  what do you do when you know that at the [TS]

  end of the day there'll be no [TS]

  consequences and whilst restart the [TS]

  entire day brand-new he goes through all [TS]

  the selfish stuff of using people and [TS]

  stealing and even have some fun killing [TS]

  himself time and time and time again to [TS]

  try to escape it but at some point it [TS]

  becomes what can i do to make this day [TS]

  the best first day I could possibly ever [TS]

  have and so he rehabilitates himself [TS]

  this is the day that the end of the [TS]

  movie i do legitimately love who he is [TS]

  by the end of the movie because it [TS]

  really is that entire scene at the end [TS]

  of a christmas carol we're screwed just [TS]

  throwing over throwing open the door to [TS]

  the the the door the doors to his window [TS]

  and so are you boil wonderful boy what a [TS]

  lovely boy get you know that to the [TS]

  prize Turkey thats hanging the poachers [TS]

  going to fetch it's such a lovely boy [TS]

  well the only sits more subdued because [TS]

  he's like the got the same guy that he [TS]

  wanted to see the the same guy who when [TS]

  confronted with like you know Ned [TS]

  Ryerson Ned the head needlenose ned was [TS]

  just pursue probably annoyed by him the [TS]

  first time you met him and then when he [TS]

  was in the gosh I can do whatever I want [TS]

  this is great i could just punch him [TS]

  right in the freaking face and nobody [TS]

  will care because nothing happened about [TS]

  it give it a free choices like no I will [TS]

  make this guy i will give this guy the [TS]

  best day he's ever had as a cell when [TS]

  I'm gonna buy a boat insurance even [TS]

  though i don't have a boat i'm going to [TS]

  take care of every single person in this [TS]

  town only because that's something that [TS]

  I can do and I don't want to wait for [TS]

  anybody else to fix things in this town [TS]

  you know there's a subtle thing I wonder [TS]

  if I'm the only one who's caught this or [TS]

  I'm getting I'm getting it wrong as the [TS]

  chris elliott character as the cameraman [TS]

  for the shoot that that bill murray [TS]

  supposed to be doing on-site there in a [TS]

  Pakistani chris elliott and the [TS]

  beginning the movie you think he's a [TS]

  really nice guy is being abused by the [TS]

  end of the movie chris elliott seems [TS]

  like a total schmuck and there's like a [TS]

  cosmic balance power as the day goes on [TS]

  the more you see cresselia or as the day [TS]

  repeats itself the worst where she comes [TS]

  off as Bill Murray becomes a better and [TS]

  better person at the end you're like [TS]

  what it's come back i think i think is [TS]

  that everybody looks better have cut [TS]

  place next to Bill Murray at the [TS]

  beginning that movie [TS]

  I also i also agree that if this movie [TS]

  had been shot let's say six years later [TS]

  he would have paid played by Paul [TS]

  Giamatti good because he's not he's not [TS]

  that sort of like active jerk is more [TS]

  like he's just he was raised in a [TS]

  basement with very little contact with [TS]

  outside people he has to sort of great [TS]

  released it released as an adult he now [TS]

  has to sort of figure out how human [TS]

  beings operate [TS]

  oh oh yes he is the sort of person to [TS]

  make a big big flash about tipping a [TS]

  bartender at dollar or two dollars while [TS]

  this perspective date is watching events [TS]

  like sneak back and like remove one [TS]

  dollar from that jar make a good case [TS]

  for this being Christmas Eve despite [TS]

  being place very high ground hard guy [TS]

  yeah it's it's a it's a holiday I i love [TS]

  groundhog day I think it's probably [TS]

  probably in my top 10 films of all time [TS]

  I think so well-constructed and and the [TS]

  thing that I think is remarkable about [TS]

  it as a bill murray vehicle is it's one [TS]

  of the very few instances I've seen [TS]

  where he does emotion and it seems it [TS]

  seems like real emotion it doesn't seem [TS]

  like he's he's play-acting or he's being [TS]

  sarcastic and that's really thinking [TS]

  about Scrooge that never quite worked [TS]

  for me is that big scene at the end [TS]

  where he is you know you can have the [TS]

  miracle to and all that business it it [TS]

  seems very contrived and very fake and [TS]

  and almost you know Manik and and weird [TS]

  and and it's it's not so much i would [TS]

  expect the people around him to be [TS]

  applauding and laughing along with him [TS]

  more sort of cycling toward the exit [TS]

  quietly and that's also in the problems [TS]

  of the end of christmas carol because [TS]

  all of a sudden Josh ok thank you you [TS]

  gave me is a secret turkey and like [TS]

  you're you you will you went to church [TS]

  that one day that makes up for the fact [TS]

  that you put hundreds if not thousands [TS]

  of poor Londoners out of the street and [TS]

  then in the middle of the cold like [TS]

  we're supposed to herald you as the [TS]

  resident finest man in town because of [TS]

  one day he decided to start to be a nice [TS]

  guy [TS]

  alright well that's the brilliance of [TS]

  the of the of the setting of this we [TS]

  kind of get the impression that he's [TS]

  going to continue to help or of course [TS]

  but that's the difference is that it's [TS]

  it's it's a point that's made veteran in [TS]

  the book then in the movies [TS]

  sure this is the the brilliance of the [TS]

  setting of the movie right because in [TS]

  any other setting [TS]

  where he's you know around people that [TS]

  know him and know that he's an ass [TS]

  it doesn't work but he goes out to the [TS]

  middle of nowhere where no one knows him [TS]

  except on TV and the only person only [TS]

  one person you get the impression that [TS]

  I'm Andy McDowell has never really [TS]

  worked there before and chris elliott [TS]

  you know he's a little socially in [TS]

  episode 1 matter but no one knows him so [TS]

  he can keep going through this every day [TS]

  and by the time he's actually it you [TS]

  know become this good real good person [TS]

  no one else really know that he made [TS]

  this dramatic change they just think [TS]

  that's the way he's always been right [TS]

  right yeah what else if it becomes [TS]

  interesting just that this is this is [TS]

  why that movie begins and ends in [TS]

  exactly the right spots because you [TS]

  don't want to have like a follow-up a [TS]

  week later where everybody who knows him [TS]

  back in this back in the states [TS]

  violation of his / as any idea why are [TS]

  you what are you up to what are you [TS]

  trying to get out of me the fact that [TS]

  you brought donuts for the entire office [TS]

  are you tried are you trying to weasel [TS]

  internal god that's just like you fill [TS]

  maybe that's not even an issue because [TS]

  the last line of the film is let's live [TS]

  here so you know right here is done with [TS]

  this purple one of the smartest things [TS]

  the entire movie is that they wisely [TS]

  realized that nobody in the audience [TS]

  cares why this day is being replayed [TS]

  over and over again [TS]

  nobody cares if there's any rules for [TS]

  how he can pray how we got into this or [TS]

  how we can break out of it because there [TS]

  earlier draft of the script that [TS]

  according to the director commentary on [TS]

  the DVD it was that all she he created [TS]

  created an old girlfriend badly in the [TS]

  girlfriend put a spell on without him [TS]

  knowing it this is how this happened [TS]

  nobody cares about that just was just [TS]

  accept that this just like just like we [TS]

  can accept that will Ferrell is a six [TS]

  foot three else haha who has to hop and [TS]

  skip the true cross walks in New York [TS]

  City it's okay we're in a movie theater [TS]

  we we're willing to suspend our [TS]

  disbelief if you do a good job with this [TS]

  movie will put groundhog day in the [TS]

  vault and hit when harry met sally and [TS]

  elf will say what are you doing here and [TS]

  but that's I think that's a great [TS]

  selection i do think that movie is a [TS]

  classic and I love thinking of it as a [TS]

  christmas carol that is a great way of [TS]

  thinking of Groundhog Day now you can [TS]

  watch groundhog day in December not just [TS]

  februari oh thank goodness that's great [TS]

  but it was a gift you give it is that's [TS]

  it's [TS]

  it's more portable now so long as the [TS]

  government will get off our backs about [TS]

  when we can watch this movie [TS]

  let's uh move on to miss Caldwell [TS]

  serenity called well what do you think [TS]

  what what do you have for us [TS]

  okay well growing up my parents and my [TS]

  sister and I would routinely watched [TS]

  three movies and I will talk about one [TS]

  but the the three movies were it's a [TS]

  wonderful life Miracle on thirty-fourth [TS]

  Street and and he's going to kill me but [TS]

  white Christmas so i'm not going to talk [TS]

  about white Christmas for fear of having [TS]

  this turn into a nasty holiday special [TS]

  I'm nothing but sunshine and light if [TS]

  you wanna find quality but memories [TS]

  attached to it that I certainly would be [TS]

  a very small person to try to sell you [TS]

  those members I appreciate you not [TS]

  ruining my seven-year-old childhood [TS]

  dreams I but thankfully I won't talk to [TS]

  introduce Miss miracle there's another [TS]

  podcast you can listen to if you'd like [TS]

  to [TS]

  we're holding rims holiday Christmas [TS]

  running definitely i love that one [TS]

  I think Syracuse would do it good he [TS]

  certainly would and make fun of me [TS]

  anyway I'm i want to talk about it's a [TS]

  wonderful life because it's probably my [TS]

  favorite holiday movie and I try and [TS]

  watch it at least once a year [TS]

  yeah I love it night Jimmy Jimmy Stewart [TS]

  is probably one of my personal heroes [TS]

  and I watched a lot of movies from the [TS]

  the thirties or forties and fifties [TS]

  growing up so I love that era of [TS]

  filmmaking and frank capra's movies are [TS]

  great but it's a wonderful life at and [TS]

  actually in in coincide with all the [TS]

  previous pics that we have it has a [TS]

  lovely has a lovely our core level for a [TS]

  story I think that's what makes for good [TS]

  holiday movies is its you have a [TS]

  character who's in one place and then he [TS]

  discovered either there's something [TS]

  that's like self-discovery or it's a [TS]

  life change or something but you always [TS]

  you know even even those parts of this [TS]

  movie are very you know getting go to a [TS]

  dark place I it all comes out right in [TS]

  the end and I i really like that about [TS]

  this movie I there's a lot of a lot of [TS]

  great scenes i love that we start with [TS]

  you know basically start by giving a the [TS]

  first half of the movie is a summary of [TS]

  of Jimmy Stewart's character's life [TS]

  up until then so you get all this you [TS]

  know you get you get a reason for oh [TS]

  here's here's how his life could have [TS]

  gone here's here are the people that are [TS]

  important in his life here is what he'd [TS]

  be giving up by committing suicide at [TS]

  you just have some wonderful character [TS]

  interaction i love lionel Barrymore with [TS]

  a passion and he plays the bad guys so [TS]

  well Henry Traverse is adorable as [TS]

  Clarence Donna Reed puts in a fine [TS]

  showing as madam librarian in general I [TS]

  just it's hard to articulate exactly why [TS]

  I love this movie it's a bunch of really [TS]

  lovely vignettes that put together [TS]

  create a lovely overarching film and I [TS]

  saw it actually got a chance to see it [TS]

  in as a 35-millimeter print on my [TS]

  birthday about three years ago and like [TS]

  this small theater in Connecticut and [TS]

  until I saw the the revamped Raiders [TS]

  print I think that was my favorite film [TS]

  ever seen in theaters [TS]

  well it wasn't a terrible failure during [TS]

  capital and he was this originally like [TS]

  a box-office flop and it it took three [TS]

  runs on television to turn into [TS]

  something that we all adore so much of a [TS]

  lambasted this movie is like Oh Frank [TS]

  Cambridge's doesn't he doesn't have the [TS]

  stuff anymore and I don't know what yeah [TS]

  i mean it was wrong for chorus [TS]

  yeah we need some nostalgia ready the [TS]

  the lens of nostalgia for this to appear [TS]

  because when you're living through that [TS]

  you're like we're in the middle of a war [TS]

  and we're all poor and it's all horrible [TS]

  when it came out but you need a few [TS]

  years space maybe yeah well I think [TS]

  everybody's kind of in that mindset [TS]

  where they're like no all of our lives [TS]

  are sucky what are you why are you [TS]

  trying to instead of give us you know [TS]

  escapism like white Christmas why are [TS]

  you why are you trying to prove that [TS]

  things are are terrible and that there [TS]

  are bad things and where are you talking [TS]

  about mortgages and home loans we don't [TS]

  want to watch out holiday movie about [TS]

  home loans [TS]

  yeah in the future financial collapses [TS]

  will not occur and this will not be [TS]

  relevant anyway I have a question for [TS]

  you as I came to this movie very late i [TS]

  only saw it for the first time I don't [TS]

  know five or ten years ago [TS]

  do you think that the the focus on him [TS]

  being on the bridge the focus on the [TS]

  here's what would happen [TS]

  if your life had been different which is [TS]

  I was surprised how long it takes to get [TS]

  to that point of the movie do you think [TS]

  that do you think that the movie not the [TS]

  movie suffers but the movie that it's [TS]

  harder to view the movie now because [TS]

  it's got this [TS]

  it's taken a life of its own but but but [TS]

  people are very focused on the last part [TS]

  of the movie instead of the movie as a [TS]

  whole [TS]

  no it's true i mean before when I i [TS]

  watch this movie a lot like I said I [TS]

  pretty much every year growing up and [TS]

  there's a three or four-year period [TS]

  where I didn't watch it and you get sort [TS]

  of like the idealized all this is what [TS]

  this movie is about and then when i [TS]

  watched it again for the first time [TS]

  after those like four years I'm like all [TS]

  right there's this whole first half that [TS]

  we just don't really think about but at [TS]

  the same time I feel like that first [TS]

  half is so integral to selling the [TS]

  second half like you don't really care [TS]

  about Jimmy Stewart's alternate reality [TS]

  life if you don't know the people like [TS]

  the cast of characters in the first [TS]

  place I feel like you don't you don't [TS]

  get the high school dance you don't get [TS]

  him meet Mary you don't you don't get [TS]

  all of that in the first half then [TS]

  Oh member is a librarian like you don't [TS]

  that doesn't hit you as as well as I [TS]

  think it would like if you start that if [TS]

  you start him jump like you start him [TS]

  jumping off the bridge all all like a [TS]

  Christmas like a Scrooge tail [TS]

  I don't think you quite it quite [TS]

  connects as well as it could would might [TS]

  be the modern way you do this story [TS]

  would be first off you start with him on [TS]

  the bridge [TS]

  yeah and then you do you know two days [TS]

  earlier which are hate what you do those [TS]

  sort of because there's the scene at the [TS]

  beginning with the the Angels locking [TS]

  ring and Claire ya know the Angels eight [TS]

  they inform us that someone is all other [TS]

  boleyn so you can sort of like a memento [TS]

  cut when you start with like to keep [TS]

  like going to the very very beginning [TS]

  and what happens is he he's in the bad [TS]

  universe and he decides to step through [TS]

  a portal and change history so that is [TS]

  what I I'm just I'm just saying I i [TS]

  sometimes I think I worry that people [TS]

  will look at this movie and think oh [TS]

  this is the famous movie where all this [TS]

  stuff happens and maybe it's something [TS]

  about our patients now versus our [TS]

  patients you know the patience of the [TS]

  people who are the anticipated audience [TS]

  of this back then but I was shocked when [TS]

  i first saw it [TS]

  this movie is not about him being [TS]

  plunged into this world where he didn't [TS]

  exist you know the movies about the guy [TS]

  and his life and then all that other [TS]

  stuff happens and it doesn't happen 10 [TS]

  minutes into the movie it happens way [TS]

  deep in the movie Jason the table is a [TS]

  wonderful life right that's right i was [TS]

  wonderful did you not think it was [TS]

  wonderful [TS]

  what's wrong with you don't think the [TS]

  big the big deal is just to point out [TS]

  that if he had through it wasn't just [TS]

  the it wasn't just the idea that he [TS]

  would kill himself but he would kill him [TS]

  kill himself having thrown away this [TS]

  lifetime of experiences that had come to [TS]

  that point also the experiences that [TS]

  would have come after that point that he [TS]

  would be a worst-case would go to jail [TS]

  for a few years but he would have gotten [TS]

  out of jail and he had this really great [TS]

  life to return to but it's it's such a [TS]

  but it's such a great movie that you do [TS]

  tend to overlook to rather glaring [TS]

  issues so we say now we get both of them [TS]

  have to do with Clarence now we when he [TS]

  pops in pcs Jimmy Stewart is about to [TS]

  commit suicide [TS]

  how does Clarence decided to keep Jimmy [TS]

  Stewart from jumping off the bridge [TS]

  killing himself by jumping off the [TS]

  bridge himself and forcing Jimmy Stewart [TS]

  to jump into and thereby proving that [TS]

  the bridge is not nearly tall enough to [TS]

  actually kill either of them are going [TS]

  to failure right so i would have all [TS]

  depressed because that to the second [TS]

  problem though this is this is what like [TS]

  I i do love this movie but this this [TS]

  idea popped into my head it color like [TS]

  all subsequent viewings I realize that [TS]

  at the very very beginning the the two [TS]

  like senior angels once were actual [TS]

  actual galaxies as opposed to just one [TS]

  little little star pip have like called [TS]

  and Clarence because I well he got these [TS]

  pieces and it hasn't got his wings yet [TS]

  he's sort of you know sort of like the [TS]

  misfit of the group we gotta go get his [TS]

  wings gotta get this gig you realize [TS]

  that what they're saying is that they've [TS]

  keep sending him to prevent people from [TS]

  killing themselves and they kill [TS]

  themselves anyway this is the first time [TS]

  you've succeeded and talking something [TS]

  out of it [TS]

  oh my god he leaves a trail of bodies [TS]

  behind them and eternity long o'clair [TS]

  and how I prefer to think that he just [TS]

  got transferred to the prevent suicide [TS]

  division rather than he was in a [TS]

  lifetime event given something simple [TS]

  and Khushi like preventing you [TS]

  the death of human being what we [TS]

  probably have to assume that if he keeps [TS]

  on you know helping people commit [TS]

  suicide rather than preventing them from [TS]

  committing suicide that he wouldn't be [TS]

  assigned such a interesting duties may [TS]

  be going to like savor hats or something [TS]

  it doesn't give you a whole lot of [TS]

  regard for what the the senior angels [TS]

  think of Jimmy Stewart's character if [TS]

  they send out this loose [TS]

  exactly and number of just say I get the [TS]

  sense that their hands are tied almost [TS]

  you know it's like it's been having [TS]

  bureaucracy device land it is within [TS]

  your not exactly think they go on the [TS]

  seniority system unfortunately it's a [TS]

  last in first out sort of thing [TS]

  Clarence's number is up so you get [TS]

  Clarence sorry he's the next up it's his [TS]

  case by the way clouds if you screw this [TS]

  one up we cast you into purgatory for [TS]

  all that no pressha let us place it's a [TS]

  wonderful life as we are not surprised [TS]

  at all [TS]

  we will place it in the vault of [TS]

  excellent holiday movies I think that's [TS]

  a great a great selection and I'm glad [TS]

  we didn't spend an hour talking about [TS]

  white Christmas Steve let's what do you [TS]

  have for us [TS]

  well I'm actually quite glad that I got [TS]

  to go before you because I have a [TS]

  suspicion that we might have picked the [TS]

  same thing one thing I was realizing [TS]

  when I was digging through the endless [TS]

  numbers of top 20 greatest christmas [TS]

  movie list online to try and refresh my [TS]

  memory is that I I i seem to think that [TS]

  there are a lot of classic holiday films [TS]

  but when I actually sit down and look at [TS]

  the ones that that i've seen over the [TS]

  years there really aren't that many that [TS]

  are that great me a lot of them are you [TS]

  you really only love because you [TS]

  remember seeing a million times when you [TS]

  were a kid like I could die get throw I [TS]

  here without a Santa Claus out the [TS]

  window now in and never think of it [TS]

  again the end and then he was bothered [TS]

  it but when I was a kid man I love that [TS]

  the the heat miser song in the cold my [TS]

  song and and and then I went back into [TS]

  whoa these are not could and most of the [TS]

  rankin/bass stop motions it into that [TS]

  category for me you're not great but at [TS]

  the same time like [TS]

  those specials I will always watch those [TS]

  specials if they're on this because it's [TS]

  it's one of those things you know like [TS]

  the movies that you watch when your kid [TS]

  and even though you can kind of admit [TS]

  they're not great right now there's one [TS]

  to have on the background while you set [TS]

  the table [TS]

  I agree with that Rudolph is a good one [TS]

  yeah it's diminishing returns with the [TS]

  rank about all finish I i will get rid [TS]

  off good issue status but then in the [TS]

  song what happened is that all the other [TS]

  Rangers in his peer group shunned him [TS]

  which is of course I just what happens [TS]

  and you know school kids that they're [TS]

  mean but in the canvas special it was [TS]

  the authority figure the coach of the [TS]

  reindeer games [TS]

  who said and now I think we all agree [TS]

  that she can't play in any reindeer [TS]

  games like Lester that is the primary [TS]

  you're supposed to be the authority [TS]

  figure here sir [TS]

  that's why they gave you the little hat [TS]

  and the whistle jerk [TS]

  so Steve we didn't actually get to your [TS]

  selection [TS]

  this is true i got off on a bit of a [TS]

  tangent there Michael and does that [TS]

  surprise is non rankin/bass but it is [TS]

  someone in the tape same time frame it [TS]

  is of course the classic first peanuts [TS]

  especially charlie brown christmas are [TS]

  from 1965 I would never talk about [TS]

  movies that would have been my pic that [TS]

  is that is the one that that is the one [TS]

  to end the most eves cheating basically [TS]

  no I think he said holiday don't want to [TS]

  leave your your-your-your the officials [TS]

  are your dad we go back and look at i'm [TS]

  gonna i'm going to allow it in the [TS]

  spirit of the holiday [TS]

  oh yeah i know god bless us everyone and [TS]

  the moderators hurt grew three sizes [TS]

  that a Scrooge is reformed quick Steve [TS]

  run out and get it get that turkey in [TS]

  the window down the street and bring it [TS]

  back and then tell us more about Charlie [TS]

  Brown you lovely lad [TS]

  yes I mean what's not to love about a [TS]

  charlie brown christmas it's so it's so [TS]

  simple and so sweet and so weird I mean [TS]

  there are so many elements piled [TS]

  together there that just really should [TS]

  not work mean that the animation is [TS]

  terrible you know that I guess they were [TS]

  on a real shoestring budget make they [TS]

  couldn't really afford to do a decent [TS]

  job on it and apparently bill melendez [TS]

  several years later was kind of [TS]

  embarrassed by it but Schultz wouldn't [TS]

  let him go back and fix it that the [TS]

  voice acting is you notice that sort of [TS]

  halting you know it's real kids for a [TS]

  change which I guess was unusual at the [TS]

  time was very and no and just like that [TS]

  we played Sally couldn't even read so [TS]

  they had to feed her one line at a time [TS]

  it and it shows [TS]

  yeah and then just you know the [TS]

  weirdness of the plot the fact that the [TS]

  the Christmas play seems to consist of [TS]

  them dancing and and Lucy's not at all [TS]

  bothered by that sheet looks to Charlie [TS]

  Brown and says is this a great play I [TS]

  mean it's all it's just strange and then [TS]

  you put together the garage as music [TS]

  there which is wonderful and its own [TS]

  right but you would never think it would [TS]

  fit with the rest of the peanuts sort of [TS]

  environment and yet it all works on such [TS]

  such a strange level and it's feminist [TS]

  mesmerizing and it said and it's I mean [TS]

  it it's just that is so so earnest and [TS]

  so sweet and you know it's strange that [TS]

  you know I've I've lived my whole life [TS]

  as a as an unwashed even and yet for [TS]

  some reason [TS]

  Linus gets on that stage and says lights [TS]

  please and lays out with that gospel of [TS]

  luke man it moves be in a weird way [TS]

  because it's so well done and then and [TS]

  then of course charlie brown afterwards [TS]

  it's the first time I think you may have [TS]

  ever seen charlie brown with sort of a a [TS]

  wash of peace is over this free because [TS]

  he has that little smile and he walks [TS]

  out with his tree and it is immediately [TS]

  dashed of course because that's just [TS]

  charlie brown's lot in life but yeah [TS]

  it's just it's just a lovely film it's [TS]

  strange to me to that because it's so [TS]

  slow and and kind of odd and weirdly [TS]

  paste you would expect the modern child [TS]

  to to still enjoy it but I i plot my [TS]

  kids down in front of it last year and [TS]

  we watched again this year and they just [TS]

  aren't all my kids love it too and I [TS]

  didn't think they would I got it and [TS]

  what I was hopeful but I was waiting for [TS]

  my my hopes to be dashed and the fact is [TS]

  they think it's they think all the [TS]

  peanuts specials are great and they love [TS]

  Charlie Brown Christmas and I'm that [TS]

  makes me very happy that that that 40 [TS]

  years later basically it's still works [TS]

  it's still getting it done they work [TS]

  the the kids because they like you think [TS]

  because it relates to its it slower [TS]

  paced it's more gentle [TS]

  it's got voices that sound like there's [TS]

  I think there's something about it is [TS]

  really relatable and Snoopy is also [TS]

  really funny [TS]

  sure don't forget Snoopy Snoopy Snoopy [TS]

  kills even now he is old one and that's [TS]

  one of the few films where he doesn't [TS]

  have an extended scene where he's you [TS]

  know playing hockey year you know doing [TS]

  his world war one flying ace thing which [TS]

  I think they relied on a bit too heavily [TS]

  on the ice skates and dances I mean what [TS]

  we have to ask for your gonna be really [TS]

  brief interludes it doesn't occupy a 10 [TS]

  minutes like already short special so so [TS]

  what the things that struck me about [TS]

  this and I i think i may have expanded [TS]

  on the mend some other podcast in a [TS]

  parallel universe this week but the the [TS]

  you mentioned Steve I i I'm not a [TS]

  religious person really but but i like [TS]

  the scene with Linus doing the reading [TS]

  it because you know it is Christmas that [TS]

  is the source of the holiday and to [TS]

  treat it with respect and and and not [TS]

  shy away from that i like it i like i [TS]

  like the honesty of it and the end the [TS]

  clarity of it and I I'm not sure that a [TS]

  show on a network today would do that [TS]

  wouldn't want to do it [TS]

  yeah they didn't want to listen and [TS]

  networks hated that idea they didn't [TS]

  especially skiing on the black diamond [TS]

  course there [TS]

  yeah because it's not only would not [TS]

  only do they have will have to fight to [TS]

  get that in but also it would be so easy [TS]

  to turn that into proselytizing I say [TS]

  now I'm going to where we are today this [TS]

  is not an xmas so this is not a holiday [TS]

  special this is a Christmas special [TS]

  jesus is the reason for the season hits [TS]

  this but this is exist exactly it's [TS]

  exactly what Linus was feeling at that [TS]

  moment so you're talking about Linus's [TS]

  feelings are not necessarily the [TS]

  feelings of what everybody should be [TS]

  going thinking at that moment and it [TS]

  really is one of those moments where if [TS]

  someone has an opposition to that i'm [TS]

  not i wouldn't judge them based on that [TS]

  thing but i'd be more curious as to why [TS]

  they have an opposition to that scene [TS]

  then I would be wondering about that [TS]

  scene itself [TS]

  well i was gonna say something similar [TS]

  and just there's a there's a great quote [TS]

  from Charles Schulz about that where he [TS]

  was fighting with that [TS]

  executives and he's like well we don't [TS]

  show them the true meaning of Christmas [TS]

  then who the hell will [TS]

  haha so so so the other thing in this [TS]

  that similarly I think you could get [TS]

  away with today at least not in the way [TS]

  it's handled this this is still peanuts [TS]

  right and so Charlie Brown has terrible [TS]

  things happen to him but it's the it's [TS]

  the anti-consumerist message which is [TS]

  which is you know that this isn't and [TS]

  they go hand in hand right because it's [TS]

  like this is what this holiday is [TS]

  supposed to be about and i love that and [TS]

  after having coca-cola well that's [TS]

  that's what I was like the Charlie Brown [TS]

  all that special brought to you by macys [TS]

  records but and yet and gallery [TS]

  Madison's neck when you buy it for 999 [TS]

  on itunes there were no commercials well [TS]

  and now you can buy the Charlie Brown [TS]

  tree to you can with the commercial [TS]

  Charlie Brown tree you know this right [TS]

  yes [TS]

  yeah it's all over the internet but but [TS]

  be that as it may if we do if you look [TS]

  at the work spot I one of those things i [TS]

  like about it is that Sally basically [TS]

  says just give me I just want what's [TS]

  coming to be just reminding their sugar [TS]

  yeah exactly that's what I've got coming [TS]

  to me yeah amazing i could probably [TS]

  recite that film line for more although [TS]

  there is no better line in that in that [TS]

  special and when sure me says every [TS]

  Christmas it's the same i always end up [TS]

  playing a shepherd because every [TS]

  Christmas it's the second but he still [TS]

  gets to play the Shepherd every year i [TS]

  think maybe you know this is the year he [TS]

  gets to play the baby Jesus know [TS]

  Sherman's Shepherd again always the [TS]

  shepherd [TS]

  hey Jason yeah yeah but we've all been [TS]

  talking about our favorite movies and I [TS]

  don't know that seems a little selfish [TS]

  now to me that we spent always been [TS]

  talking and what is the season sharing i [TS]

  know but in this you know we should ask [TS]

  you what do you think what's your [TS]

  favorite holiday [TS]

  what I'm curious why Steve thought that [TS]

  I was going to choose charlie brown [TS]

  christmas is it because I drafted [TS]

  Charlie Brown and RDC character-driven [TS]

  well i'm going to choose the team and [TS]

  special with this Christmas know which [TS]

  is which is just hit netflix streaming [TS]

  by the way as lacking out during [TS]

  christmas by the power of grayskull know [TS]

  louisiana Lisa it's so we mentioned it [TS]

  already and I this is a movie that I had [TS]

  never seen before my wife exposed to me [TS]

  because it was one of her favorites and [TS]

  it is now one of mine if not my favorite [TS]

  which is Miracle on thirty-fourth Street [TS]

  em the originally ok we have to david [TS]

  hart no Maureen O'Hara edmund gwenn [TS]

  Natalie Wood is a little girl I love [TS]

  this movie [TS]

  the dylan mcdermott remake no no that's [TS]

  been remade so many times good accept no [TS]

  substitutes watch the original don't [TS]

  even watch the colorized version of the [TS]

  original watch the original [TS]

  black-and-white be and it is a classic [TS]

  and it does not need to be made again [TS]

  because it's time the way it is in fact [TS]

  that performance by edmund gwenn the [TS]

  English actor who came to Hollywood late [TS]

  in life and made this movie and won an [TS]

  Oscar for Best Supporting Actor his [TS]

  performance is so great you know i love [TS]

  this movie I think there's a theme [TS]

  running through a lot of these movies [TS]

  where they have something about them [TS]

  that is that sets them apart that's a [TS]

  little bit strange a little bit skewed [TS]

  and it's not treacly it's not sappy mean [TS]

  obviously at the heart of Miracle on [TS]

  thirty-fourth Street is this story of [TS]

  you know it's not like a heartwarming [TS]

  family story and there's a believe in [TS]

  Santa Claus kind of story and the [TS]

  importance of family but it's also like [TS]

  a wacky courtroom drama where with where [TS]

  there's sort of satirizing the political [TS]

  aspects of Santa Claus there's William [TS]

  Frawley who was fred mertz on I Love [TS]

  Lucy plays a political operative who [TS]

  advises the judge each option of this [TS]

  movie isnot is I think the highlight of [TS]

  the film from yes adding at the judge [TS]

  that the whole just because there's the [TS]

  sham of a court proceeding involving [TS]

  Santa closet and a whole thing comes off [TS]

  basically because of the publicity of [TS]

  the judge and his advisor is Fred Mertz [TS]

  but don't you feel for that judge that [TS]

  the way out what the way the movie [TS]

  outlines his position to say that [TS]

  well of course this guy's not CSIS he [TS]

  says he's Santa Claus he really should [TS]

  this should be a close quarter which is [TS]

  just committed like three seconds but if [TS]

  there's so much attention now that if i [TS]

  do this odd Christmas Eve I'll be the [TS]

  idiot who sent Santa Claus to jail on [TS]

  Christmas [TS]

  yes it is Lord delivered me from this [TS]

  let this cup pass from me as Edwards and [TS]

  when all these letters start dumping on [TS]

  his father's a lot of his bed just like [TS]

  thank god I've got a lame excuse to [TS]

  dismiss this case and I'm gonna take a [TS]

  strike Fred Mertz as has stepped in and [TS]

  helped him out [TS]

  yeah and and they put the they put the [TS]

  district attorney's son on this [TS]

  yeah that's your daddy it's just it's so [TS]

  so you know I mean there's other great [TS]

  stuff here where there's the drunk Santa [TS]

  he's kicked out oh you say it comes in [TS]

  and he he upsets people [TS]

  it says something about actually there's [TS]

  an interesting whole bit in here about [TS]

  good customer service which again it's [TS]

  like what a strange thing to be a movie [TS]

  but the idea that that it's like Santa [TS]

  and Miracle on thirty-fourth Street is [TS]

  like the original genius from the genius [TS]

  bar at Apple hehe basically gets these [TS]

  questions and he says well no we don't [TS]

  have that here but i'll tell you where [TS]

  you can get that you can get that across [TS]

  the street at Gimbels they have it and [TS]

  it's a pretty good deal you should go [TS]

  over there and and his supervised like [TS]

  what no we can't do that and it and then [TS]

  all of a sudden I think mr. Macy [TS]

  realized to say wait a second [TS]

  people are coming here now because they [TS]

  trust us because they know will tell the [TS]

  truth even if we don't have what what [TS]

  they go what I will tell you that this [TS]

  was the founding you remember i worked [TS]

  at amazon the early days this was [TS]

  practically the founding principle [TS]

  amazon was that was the American 30 [TS]

  registers on it was that your [TS]

  authoritative people think they can come [TS]

  to you and find not only what you need [TS]

  but what you don't have and as long as [TS]

  they believe that they don't go anywhere [TS]

  else right well the the idea that if we [TS]

  don't have it will tell you where you [TS]

  can get instant instead of playing dumb [TS]

  and hoping you buy something that you [TS]

  don't really want and and yeah but [TS]

  that's a whole that's a whole thread in [TS]

  this movie too so there's just a lot of [TS]

  interesting and strange stuff that's all [TS]

  mashed together and there's the is that [TS]

  Alan Young who's the who's the guy who I [TS]

  I forget who it is but they there's the [TS]

  kriss kringle promises the little girl [TS]

  house and then at the end and there's a [TS]

  house in the countryside and we just [TS]

  driving along is like it's all [TS]

  Palestinians it's there it is and now [TS]

  ok this is a for-sale wait a second [TS]

  that's his cane [TS]

  yeah because they do the whole he's not [TS]

  magic really he's just a crazy old man [TS]

  or is he right I didn't do such a [TS]

  wonderful four walls [TS]

  oh so so I you know I I really do love [TS]

  this movie so I will you know this is a [TS]

  shows the sensibility that I i have in [TS]

  were in marrying mary my wife who has [TS]

  such good taste and holiday movies that [TS]

  I I do really love Miracle on [TS]

  thirty-fourth Street because it is that [TS]

  great mixture of kind of oddball weird [TS]

  courtroom drama and there's that there [TS]

  is the the mail room or whatever that's [TS]

  the boiler room kind of terrible place [TS]

  and there's just great stuff in it so so [TS]

  Miracle on thirty-fourth Street that's [TS]

  my selection with some of the best [TS]

  holiday movies the ones that are totally [TS]

  not self-conscious about themselves or [TS]

  that there's no need to explain anything [TS]

  this no need to be terribly hip there [TS]

  okay was simply saying yep it's move [TS]

  about Santa Claus no please not this is [TS]

  not gonna be a secret twist at the end [TS]

  where turns out that he actually is [TS]

  crazy but everybody decides to fall [TS]

  behind because he's such a good Santa [TS]

  Claus it really is a Santa Claus you [TS]

  have to deal with that we decided to [TS]

  make a movie that will leave you smiling [TS]

  instead of puzzle isn't a little bit [TS]

  tortured yeah yeah exactly right that it [TS]

  is a movie about a guy who is Santa [TS]

  Claus and and he teaches a lot of people [TS]

  little lessons along the way and then [TS]

  there's crazy courtroom antics you well [TS]

  for me it's the epitome of just the [TS]

  perfect Christmas mobile because it's so [TS]

  it's so earnest and it's so earnest that [TS]

  it makes you smile rather like you know [TS]

  there's somewhere it's like oh yeah [TS]

  where were being a little hammy you know [TS]

  get get in the Christmas spirit and this [TS]

  one is just like no let's let's show the [TS]

  Macy's parade [TS]

  let's be adorable and sell it a hundred [TS]

  and ten percent Jason can give out [TS]

  shoutouts for honorary nominee yes I was [TS]

  going I was going to say now that we've [TS]

  each had a pic i want to i want to say [TS]

  what did we miss [TS]

  what what should we mentioned before we [TS]

  go that that we didn't mention yeah we [TS]

  have to we have to mention die hard [TS]

  because Stan word is not on the podcast [TS]

  every resource yes yeah and I heart is a [TS]

  great film and we did a whole podcast [TS]

  about die hard so dip into the archives [TS]

  back to December 2010 and you can find [TS]

  our entire podcast about I'll [TS]

  our languages which is a Christmas movie [TS]

  it is strange that is it is a Christmas [TS]

  movie it is possibly best adult [TS]

  christmas movie [TS]

  oh now I have a machine gun yes no [TS]

  there's a better adult christmas movie [TS]

  which would be bad santa which I don't [TS]

  know if I can watch I'll give a [TS]

  shout-out to but it's like that's it's a [TS]

  funny strange horrible horrible film and [TS]

  I don't know if I can ever watch the [TS]

  second time but wow it's it's something [TS]

  also for including TV shows i have to [TS]

  push out to the sctv christmas special [TS]

  wow we're gonna have we're just Johnny [TS]

  Larew he has that there are two great [TS]

  stories out of it one of which is Johnny [TS]

  LaRue has to it is at this the whole [TS]

  thing is around the biggest CCTV Network [TS]

  like Christmas party but John Luke and [TS]

  like stay and drink and smoke and he [TS]

  wants to because the station manager [TS]

  sending him out to do like a special [TS]

  Christmas treat be free just like walk [TS]

  down the street and interviews like [TS]

  people who are just like on the street [TS]

  on Christmas Eve late at night doing [TS]

  nothing and he said he's drunk and he's [TS]

  drinking even more and just winds up [TS]

  like alone because the camera crew like [TS]

  it's easy it's also the camera crew once [TS]

  too often so he's just there sitting in [TS]

  the middle of the snow on the sidewalk [TS]

  with a boom mic to speaking into it it's [TS]

  I had Talent [TS]

  I had salad ever tell you this little [TS]

  bigger [TS]

  all I wanted was a crane shot by the [TS]

  caviar is it chief scape and then this [TS]

  is going to put this the Christmas magic [TS]

  like that glorious like celestial music [TS]

  ahead the camera like pics itself [TS]

  opposite [TS]

  well who are you I'm Santa what's this [TS]

  why it's your crane shot Johnny and [TS]

  their full back to see a beautiful like [TS]

  huge Chapman crane wrapped in christmas [TS]

  lights and the backstories even funnier [TS]

  because I will get the vocoder all the [TS]

  details would take a long time to [TS]

  explain but essentially John Candy to [TS]

  get back at the producers had [TS]

  intentionally written the most expensive [TS]

  sketch that would do that today with the [TS]

  this series would ever film not by [TS]

  saying oh and there's 8,000 pounds of [TS]

  real goals you have to get us that he [TS]

  found every trick to make sure that it [TS]

  would [TS]

  as much as possible including knowing [TS]

  there was only one Chapman crane and in [TS]

  Canada that they have to really get it [TS]

  on a flatbed that have to also pay for [TS]

  the person who operated just they could [TS]

  use it as a prop in this sketch but is [TS]

  it was a great skills a great sketch [TS]

  start to finish but does this idea of [TS]

  John Candy knowing that I just cost of [TS]

  production eighteen thousand dollars [TS]

  more than they thought they were going [TS]

  to spend on this five-minute of comedy [TS]

  piece i am a happy John Candy of this [TS]

  night really quick for talking christmas [TS]

  TV specials are not necessarily specials [TS]

  but Christmas TV shows pretty much all [TS]

  of Aaron circus shows have wonderful [TS]

  wonderful Christmas episodes [TS]

  there's a sort of you yeah and one in [TS]

  particular if for people who have [TS]

  watched the west wing is no well which [TS]

  is deals with one of the characters [TS]

  post-traumatic stress disorder over an [TS]

  event that i will not mention because it [TS]

  will spoil the show for people who [TS]

  haven't watched the show and if you [TS]

  haven't watched the show [TS]

  what's wrong with you go watch it but [TS]

  anyway Aaron Sorkin shows great with [TS]

  christmas specials pisses me off that [TS]

  we're all shying away from mentioning a [TS]

  christmas story because TBS had to ruin [TS]

  it by overexposing it i love watching [TS]

  the hundred million times ten years ago [TS]

  every one of us would probably have set [TS]

  a christmas story maybe not everyone but [TS]

  a good many of us because it is [TS]

  absolutely fantastic film that's good [TS]

  but yes i still have my cry actually [TS]

  have a Christmas Day tradition where I i [TS]

  spend the entire day like driving all [TS]

  over creation visiting friends and [TS]

  family but i will like to have Christmas [TS]

  breakfast and then i will go home and [TS]

  then spend two hours wrapping gifts [TS]

  while watching the Christmas story [TS]

  probably exactly 1.78 times as it loops [TS]

  around and then loaded blend i love my [TS]

  car up with freshly rep presence and [TS]

  make make my tour and so they would not [TS]

  be Christmas without a Christmas story [TS]

  in the morning it's a you know I haven't [TS]

  like actual broadcaster cable whatever [TS]

  television for years so Christmas story [TS]

  now seems fresh to me is that we own the [TS]

  DVD so we could be sure to watch and [TS]

  we've lost its terrible things that we [TS]

  have to do something drastic to get it [TS]

  back at the bite easy bothered by the [TS]

  moms eighties hair that's all that's the [TS]

  only for the problems we love that move [TS]

  old Ralphie wrong my terrible admission [TS]

  is that I've never seen more than the [TS]

  first [TS]

  10 minutes of that film but yeah what [TS]

  yeah we're you raised by the same wolves [TS]

  that raised Jason where he didn't see [TS]

  that it's a wonderful life and America [TS]

  on thirty-fourth Street until like five [TS]

  years ago just hadn't seen him home [TS]

  alone right Jason I've seen I've seen [TS]

  home alone 3 right but never the [TS]

  internet doesn't count which blows my [TS]

  mind I'm one of only about 55 people [TS]

  mind I'm one of only about 55 people [TS]

  the North America who were alive in the [TS]

  in the nineteen eighties who did not see [TS]

  home alone [TS]

  I've got your home alone i escaped the [TS]

  i'm not saying that either the patrol on [TS]

  my legs I was actually considering [TS]

  mentioning all alone because it's it's [TS]

  very good read on it that's an honorable [TS]

  mention alone that blows my mind but [TS]

  I've seen home alone 3 know it Scarlett [TS]

  Johansson assistants are you saying that [TS]

  like it helps [TS]

  please don't oh ok what else did we miss [TS]

  anything on holiday holiday is not he [TS]

  actually mentioned briefly before [TS]

  holiday inn is too has a Christmas seen [TS]

  and it's not a traditional Christmas [TS]

  movie but there's something very [TS]

  Christmasy about what's the hotel chain [TS]

  named for the film it is yes it is it is [TS]

  it's and it's a it's the the plot is [TS]

  that Bing Crosby is you know wants to [TS]

  open all these what's with this and all [TS]

  these invested almost be opening a chain [TS]

  of hotels he wants to open a country [TS]

  hotel in the wilds of Connecticut as far [TS]

  away as Greenwich i believe from New [TS]

  York City that's already open on my [TS]

  holidays [TS]

  yeah it's only open on holidays all open [TS]

  once a supper club open once a month [TS]

  right and so every Berlin has the stout [TS]

  challenge of having to come up with a [TS]

  song for every holiday every month of [TS]

  interesting part is if you watch it you [TS]

  get two versions one has lincoln's [TS]

  birthday and wondrous Monica's breakfast [TS]

  ham Abraham it's their terrifying [TS]

  wow it's like face and you know it used [TS]

  to be it's really it was acceptable once [TS]

  apparently so anyway but it's a great [TS]

  film but sometimes you see that scene [TS]

  sometimes you don't see that [TS]

  wait a minute it's a blackface tribute [TS]

  to Abraham Lincoln i'm not getting you [TS]

  is like in crosby in full like you know [TS]

  in full blackface while and the female [TS]

  lead in this or riffic female black face [TS]

  character that it's like it's like it's [TS]

  might even when i'm even if you can see [TS]

  it on youtube but even on youtube but [TS]

  I've got my springtime for Hitler face [TS]

  on like that audience reaction it's [TS]

  either they're african-american [TS]

  characters in the two and they sing [TS]

  along and they sing about the darkies [TS]

  and it's like it's it's a product of its [TS]

  time so if you see the movie i recommend [TS]

  not saying that seen the judge [TS]

  it's like just like a forest areas [TS]

  bojangles hormone Harlem number in the [TS]

  swing time was it uh you could at least [TS]

  say okay he's not he's he's wearing [TS]

  theatrical we eat you want to give them [TS]

  out for this so you can torturously say [TS]

  okay he's wearing theatrical makeup as [TS]

  opposed to what is more constricted mark [TS]

  invent more stereotypical black face [TS]

  he's also doing a tribute to I known [TS]

  dancer and also he's dancing the style [TS]

  of one of his mentors who also was an [TS]

  african-american i'm willing to sort of [TS]

  give him a free pass on that on that [TS]

  basis this number any holiday and with [TS]

  Bing Crosby like ohmygod ohmygod ohmygod [TS]

  ohmygod ohmygod it was culturally [TS]

  appropriate in its time and requires a [TS]

  disclaimer but it is a lovely film [TS]

  despite that scene it is a lovely as we [TS]

  film and it's a great film for the [TS]

  holidays especially without the scene [TS]

  one of the best things that film is at [TS]

  the end of the film [TS]

  I it's a big Crosby and uh who is the [TS]

  co-star male the male co-stars some [TS]

  research first trimester so Fred Astaire [TS]

  goes to make a move your on the heavy by [TS]

  the way he made yeah i'm fred astaire [TS]

  decides that make a movie of bing [TS]

  crosby's experience and so in the film [TS]

  there's a bit with a pullback and you [TS]

  see that there's a set of the holiday n [TS]

  it's obviously the set they used in [TS]

  making that part of the movie but now [TS]

  it's being presented as a set that was [TS]

  constructed in Hollywood to make a movie [TS]

  about the experience and it's I just [TS]

  love the craziness at and and and [TS]

  incidentally they reuse that exact same [TS]

  set for wed Christmas was originally not [TS]

  seriously it it is the exact same set [TS]

  that's the sweet because it's a ski [TS]

  lodge if it's a long as you know if you [TS]

  remember remember the scene where the [TS]

  coat-check was that is like the [TS]

  entranceway in holiday inn and white [TS]

  Christmas word like I did all the action [TS]

  happens [TS]

  wow I i will i'll put in a brief word [TS]

  for one of like the 80,000 doctor who [TS]

  christmas specials that have now been [TS]

  done in the in the last decade there [TS]

  there there enjoyable at a they are [TS]

  they're crafted to be watched as as [TS]

  unlike in America in England one of the [TS]

  most watched TV days of the air is [TS]

  Christmas Day it is a part of a [TS]

  tradition to turn on the TV after your [TS]

  your roast is is out of the oven and [TS]

  you've had your meal and then you switch [TS]

  it over to the BBC or I TV and there are [TS]

  specials on and the doctor who christmas [TS]

  special which we've talked about on this [TS]

  podcast are in general quite delightful [TS]

  in that they're big and fun and not [TS]

  meant to be they're meant to be watched [TS]

  on a full stomach of Christmas roast and [TS]

  to be enjoyed on that level and in fact [TS]

  I would say the one from the one from [TS]

  last year which was a which featured [TS]

  michael gambon and as the screws like [TS]

  character in A Christmas Carol where the [TS]

  Christmas past Christmas future are all [TS]

  determined by a a certain character who [TS]

  has a time machine was was a very [TS]

  Christmasy enjoyable episode and there [TS]

  was also a shark that flies there was [TS]

  that that had a great shot where the [TS]

  doctors take it that the doctor is [TS]

  showing like the the child version of [TS]

  the of Scrooge to him and go so I'm [TS]

  supposed to my heart as opposed to melt [TS]

  when I see the innocent young lad that i [TS]

  was was was not going to work [TS]

  the title says no I'm showing i'm [TS]

  showing the boy what a dick UT turn [TS]

  starts growing up you just be quiet [TS]

  really beautiful that's what I became a [TS]

  doctor who fan of the new secret it's [TS]

  good that's a great little bit yeah it's [TS]

  it's a great twist on the on the [TS]

  Christmas Carol that we hadn't seen its [TS]

  not Groundhog Day mind you but a nice to [TS]

  a nice twist and where you going to say [TS]

  something oh well the only one on my [TS]

  list that having been said so far now [TS]

  that we've touched on home alone and the [TS]

  fact that half of us haven't seen it [TS]

  Are The Nightmare Before Christmas thank [TS]

  yous just right and although it's it's a [TS]

  quite a little bit of an earlier holiday [TS]

  still falls in the holiday season is a [TS]

  plane trains and automobiles with job i [TS]

  still get a kick out of other it's [TS]

  thanksgiving but let's just pretend it's [TS]

  their holiday movies [TS]

  yes yes oh yes go there you go that is [TS]

  not day works then too [TS]

  yeah yeah John Hughes I've got one more [TS]

  which is again a a christmas carol story [TS]

  which is Muppet Christmas Carol [TS]

  Oh [TS]

  no I can't get through the holidays [TS]

  without watching that at least once and [TS]

  I always pleasantly surprised to find [TS]

  there are things that I've forgotten or [TS]

  missed about it right now when I have [TS]

  not yet seen which we're trying to watch [TS]

  that was a good one of my children are [TS]

  little sensitive and we were we were not [TS]

  able to get past the ghost of christmas [TS]

  past which is not that scary because [TS]

  it's too terrifying to them so we're [TS]

  working our way through it [TS]

  Wow working your way through struggling [TS]

  through the monthly curse around her [TS]

  told my children are a little hothouse [TS]

  flower they're lovely kids gentle and [TS]

  sweet [TS]

  wow already got to mention one more [TS]

  because it has become an annual [TS]

  tradition around my house and that is [TS]

  the star wars holiday special with [TS]

  rifftrax ah I've mentioned before but it [TS]

  is i believe their finest hour a lot of [TS]

  tracks are hit or miss this one is hit [TS]

  all the way I and it's it that I think [TS]

  the thing that's great about it is that [TS]

  they they sound like they had a bit of [TS]

  the knob what they cannot do that [TS]

  because they're laughing a lot of each [TS]

  other's jokes and it really adds they [TS]

  they rip over the commercials which are [TS]

  just the classic seventies commercials [TS]

  and and they're just a ghast added and [TS]

  and and it really works because you [TS]

  can't help but be a gas that star wars [TS]

  holiday special and otherwise you want [TS]

  to say what one thing that I've always [TS]

  thought about that that I think it's a [TS]

  worse rap than it should just because [TS]

  it's Star Wars I that kind of weird [TS]

  variety special was not that unusual in [TS]

  the seventies and and that the level of [TS]

  badness to which that sinks [TS]

  I don't think it's as bad as some of the [TS]

  other ones that i recall seeing as a boy [TS]

  you have to wonder if the star wars [TS]

  holiday special would not have such a [TS]

  place in lower if George Lucas had just [TS]

  said alright it's here it is it's on DVD [TS]

  you can get it [TS]

  let's never speak of it again instead of [TS]

  sort of hiding it away [TS]

  it's probably the single piece of film [TS]

  from that period that he was entirely [TS]

  responsible for no help from lawrence [TS]

  kasdan I i'll explain so much [TS]

  well this has been great i think we've I [TS]

  think we've covered a lot of really [TS]

  excellent holiday fair that maybe we'll [TS]

  give our list or some ideas of things [TS]

  that they [TS]

  watch over over the holiday season so [TS]

  until next time when we will discuss oh [TS]

  I don't know maybe a doctor who [TS]

  christmas special something like that [TS]

  I i would like to thank my guess Steve [TS]

  let's thanks for being here [TS]

  oh ho ho ho ho serenity called well [TS]

  thank you [TS]

  now I've got a machine gun thank you [TS]

  Andy and not go thank you so much for [TS]

  joining us tonight [TS]

  Merry Christmas yo what old building and [TS]

  Loan thank you very much [TS]

  Glenn fleischmann thank you have [TS]

  yourself a merry little Christmas Jason [TS]

  and Dan freaks thank you thank you i'm [TS]

  so tempted to sing the billy crystal a [TS]

  voicemail message from When Harry Met [TS]

  Sally but I will if you feel just all be [TS]

  pick up that phone and just phone wako [TS]

  euro and then you're singing Surrey with [TS]

  the fringe on top and front of i right [TS]

  yeah at well there was enough anger your [TS]

  was alright sorry Dan [TS]

  thank you for being here for the [TS]

  uncomfortable podcast I'm Jason oh I [TS]

  don't have any clever holiday thing to [TS]

  say i think i've been out covered by my [TS]

  panel it wouldn't be the first time so [TS]

  until next time thanks for listening [TS]

  happy holidays everybody [TS]

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