The Incomparable

91: The Hungry Tributes of Catan


  the comfortable podcast number 91 may [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  welcome back to the incomparable podcast [TS]

  I'm Jason Snelling your host and our [TS]

  topic on this edition of the [TS]

  incomparable is the phenomenon known as [TS]

  The Hunger Games which is which began as [TS]

  a series of novels by suzanne collins [TS]

  trilogy of and then recently was made [TS]

  into a major motion picture as they say [TS]

  which made it a whole lot of money [TS]

  directed by gary ross and starring [TS]

  Jennifer Lawrence among others [TS]

  so we're going to talk about The Hunger [TS]

  Games the book The Hunger Games them the [TS]

  movie we will fire off the spoiler horn [TS]

  and talk about the sequels to the hunger [TS]

  games book and joining me to talk [TS]

  everything [TS]

  Katniss Everdeen are my guests too [TS]

  delightful guests or softly Schmeisser [TS]

  hi Lisa thanks for being here thanks for [TS]

  having me and also serenity Caldwell hi [TS]

  red [TS]

  hello alright so the hunger games now I [TS]

  my story with the hunger games is that [TS]

  my wife was read the issues that she's a [TS]

  librarian and and she works at the [TS]

  Children's Library she reads a lot of [TS]

  children and young adult books and she [TS]

  enjoyed these books and was very excited [TS]

  to see the movie and she demanded that i [TS]

  read that i read the books before the [TS]

  movie came out so that we could go see [TS]

  the movie with me having properly read [TS]

  the book first as one is supposed to do [TS]

  so i did in fact I read all three in the [TS]

  course of a couple of weeks so you know [TS]

  that was my introduction to this series [TS]

  what about you guys uh were you both the [TS]

  readers of the books before you saw the [TS]

  movie i had heard bits and pieces about [TS]

  the hunger games and i want to say [TS]

  December of 2010 or November 2010 the [TS]

  third book in the series had just come [TS]

  out and a friend of mine i had basically [TS]

  written this long very very long blog [TS]

  post about how crushed she was a [TS]

  office about book 3 and not necessarily [TS]

  you know we'll get into later i'm sure [TS]

  the highs and lows of the the end of [TS]

  this trilogy but I read enough to [TS]

  realize like this could potentially be a [TS]

  really interesting book so over the [TS]

  winter holidays that year i think i got [TS]

  home in los angeles on december twenty [TS]

  fourth and i had bought the original the [TS]

  hunger games the first book in theory to [TS]

  give to my sister as a christmas present [TS]

  and on my way home I mean it's easy [TS]

  sitting here she won't notice if I've [TS]

  read it before I wrap it and give it to [TS]

  her so I read that book in 12 hours and [TS]

  then the beauty of being able to get [TS]

  books on the internet instead of having [TS]

  to wait until the bookstore opens the [TS]

  next day is that on Christmas Eve and [TS]

  Christmas Day i read catching fire and [TS]

  mockingjay respectively on my kindle so [TS]

  I managed to get through things [TS]

  basically the entire book in a weekend [TS]

  which was a very mostly after dark too [TS]

  so it was a very weird rushed way to [TS]

  read this series which I actually think [TS]

  kind of fits well with the weird crazy [TS]

  things that go on to it but yeah it was [TS]

  kind of by accident but I mean I you [TS]

  know there are different there are [TS]

  things that we can talk about later with [TS]

  the books in terms of their strengths [TS]

  and weaknesses but it was definitely use [TS]

  a refreshing little series to read and [TS]

  definitely better than some other young [TS]

  adult that i've read recently about you [TS]

  Lisa [TS]

  indulging in a little bit of personal [TS]

  history on august 12 2010 my husband my [TS]

  celebrated our tenth wedding anniversary [TS]

  and we had originally planned on going [TS]

  to Paris but I had just entered my third [TS]

  trimester pregnancy so that the Paris [TS]

  trip and be put on hold and Phil gave me [TS]

  a candle for my anniversary present [TS]

  instead I have some girlfriends who ry a [TS]

  librarians and had talked about the [TS]

  first two books in the series and they [TS]

  noted that Mockingjay was coming out on [TS]

  an August twenty-fourth 2010 and so what [TS]

  I did is I actually downloaded all three [TS]

  books on the day the Mockingjay dropped [TS]

  and then spent the next week and propped [TS]

  up on the couch learning how to use my [TS]

  kindle and ready through those those [TS]

  three books over and over again so I i'm [TS]

  hella been one great go up over a [TS]

  weekend and you know later up and over [TS]

  the next 18 months I've nursed my [TS]

  daughter and rocked her down I will [TS]

  occasionally read snatches here and [TS]

  there to myself and before the first [TS]

  movie came out i did go back and reread [TS]

  the original book just because I like to [TS]

  see how movie adaptations what they keep [TS]

  what they don't and I'm better able to [TS]

  jump that when the source material is [TS]

  still pretty fresh and the books are [TS]

  really fast early and so it's just [TS]

  easier to work through the matter of [TS]

  hours [TS]

  yeah well that's into it it's good to [TS]

  know that we all read the book before [TS]

  the movie and in my case very [TS]

  specifically which which is actually my [TS]

  my story with them my story with a game [TS]

  of thrones to as i heard it was gonna be [TS]

  made into a HBO series and so I started [TS]

  reading the george RR martin books of [TS]

  course I've read them all by the time [TS]

  the show come on [TS]

  so I was way ahead by the time the show [TS]

  came on the air but anyway so so the [TS]

  hunger games so so let's uh let's start [TS]

  with the book itself you know this is a [TS]

  this is a story if you if you are [TS]

  listening and do not know it's a sort of [TS]

  post-apocalyptic story about it said [TS]

  North America where the United States [TS]

  used to exist but now it's the it's the [TS]

  country of Panama and there are multiple [TS]

  districts run by a capital which is an [TS]

  advanced city in the rocky mountains and [TS]

  if they're sort of the cruel overlords [TS]

  of the of the of the the country and [TS]

  a mine and take all the resources from [TS]

  all the different districts and you know [TS]

  they live large while the district [TS]

  suffer and just to remind them with [TS]

  their places they hold these annual [TS]

  Hunger Games where it's a enjoyable [TS]

  reality-tv kind of competition where [TS]

  everybody dies except one the 24 young [TS]

  people go let it go in one comes out [TS]

  that one person is applauded and the [TS]

  other 23 or dead there awhile everybody [TS]

  watches so we're here we've got we've [TS]

  had some political issues we've got [TS]

  we've got a commentary about reality [TS]

  television [TS]

  there's lots of stuff going on which is [TS]

  interesting for a book that is you know [TS]

  it's a young adult book it's also you [TS]

  know it's kinda kind of gruesome in the [TS]

  sense that you know there are lots of [TS]

  people who died horrible deaths a young [TS]

  people who died horrible deaths in the [TS]

  course of this book then actually Jason [TS]

  you've touched on something that was one [TS]

  of my favorite time establishing details [TS]

  in the movie can we talk about that too [TS]

  at the same time [TS]

  yeah I'm what one of my favorite [TS]

  establishing details that you see in the [TS]

  in the act one where it's setting up [TS]

  though the world of the capital and so [TS]

  on and so forth is between stanley tucci [TS]

  and toby jones who are playing [TS]

  respectively Caesar Flickerman and not a [TS]

  simple Smith but they're playing the two [TS]

  people who are basically the the live [TS]

  mcs the the ryan seacrest's of the [TS]

  hunger games that were and on spit it in [TS]

  on screen you see this really horrible [TS]

  murder that's about to take place as one [TS]

  child has pinned on another he's about [TS]

  to bashing his head with a brick and [TS]

  stanley tucci says in this really banal [TS]

  very again Ryan Seacrest edelivery and [TS]

  here we see the moment where a [TS]

  contestant is about to become a victor [TS]

  and in San Fair plays and it's such a [TS]

  stunning overlay of the will full [TS]

  version of a narrative in the media [TS]

  where they're telling you what you're [TS]

  watching as opposed to what you are [TS]

  actually watching which is one child [TS]

  desperately fighting for its life as [TS]

  another one tries to kill him [TS]

  um and again beautiful establishing [TS]

  detail and that's something that happens [TS]

  a lot of the books 2 i'm one of the [TS]

  things that struck me in the first book [TS]

  repeatedly is how casually Katniss [TS]

  first to all of the myriad ways people [TS]

  died in previous games you know because [TS]

  she makes offhanded references to the [TS]

  Year everybody died of dehydration in [TS]

  the desert or the everybody froze to [TS]

  death or the year there was a volcano [TS]

  and somebody got decapitated and there's [TS]

  it's just the matter of fact this with [TS]

  oh yes every year we have to watch [TS]

  people horribly die [TS]

  boom it's it's it's like a walking case [TS]

  of PTSD and that's only like the first [TS]

  few chapters of the book and we get [TS]

  introduced to the world far before we [TS]

  actually get placed in the games [TS]

  themselves and i know some people who [TS]

  hadn't read the books and saw the film [TS]

  and they're like why you know we get so [TS]

  much of the preparation and so little of [TS]

  the games themselves and I think that's [TS]

  largely to make a point where it's like [TS]

  we you know the movie although it's been [TS]

  in the books have even compared to [TS]

  battle royale it's really not about the [TS]

  children fighting it's about the [TS]

  psychology of everything behind it it's [TS]

  about this you know its expenses [TS]

  packaging too because yeah because [TS]

  because when you think about it it's the [TS]

  biggest damn Khan that anybody could [TS]

  possibly run because I want it I i [TS]

  realize that part of the the horror of [TS]

  the Hunger Games is supposed to be the [TS]

  gap between how it sold to its pampered [TS]

  citizens of the capital as a no it's a [TS]

  reality show with these brave tributes [TS]

  and so on and so forth versus what it [TS]

  actually is [TS]

  which is state-sanctioned murder but [TS]

  what I think she focuses on excessively [TS]

  or the way that the tributes are our [TS]

  buffed and polished and brought up to [TS]

  capital standards and and and that's [TS]

  part of the narrative that the makeover [TS]

  narrative which is a convention of [TS]

  reality TV and then there's the training [TS]

  narrative which is another thing that's [TS]

  pretty popular like in Survivor Amazing [TS]

  Grace and and I think she has a lot of [TS]

  really trench and things to say about [TS]

  the way we package even our news as as a [TS]

  moral entertainment [TS]

  I think she did say that she was [TS]

  inspired to write the books after [TS]

  looking at how we covered um how the US [TS]

  media covered wars in Afghanistan and [TS]

  Iraq and in contrast that against the [TS]

  the boom in reality TV that was taking [TS]

  place at the same time are definitely [TS]

  media satire is a huge threat of this is [TS]

  it is it goes into the manufacturing of [TS]

  contest [TS]

  it's in the creation of storylines yes [TS]

  and in fact it's even echoed I i was [TS]

  reminded while reading it the of how you [TS]

  take you take sort of a pure premise and [TS]

  then over time in order to keep people [TS]

  interested you have to modify it so in [TS]

  in the hunger games that i was always [TS]

  structed you know the way I envisioned [TS]

  it when once they start to play it you [TS]

  see that there's this pandering to [TS]

  sponsors where they will actually drop [TS]

  in you know gifts which changed the [TS]

  course of the game and of course the [TS]

  gamemaster does things and this is much [TS]

  I I thought much more clear in the movie [TS]

  that that there are even more [TS]

  aggressively middle manipulative about [TS]

  what's going on to get what they want [TS]

  but also you know people have to do what [TS]

  they want to do in front of the camera [TS]

  to get to get the right result from the [TS]

  producers and i will remind me of is [TS]

  like on Survivor originally that show [TS]

  had a very clear set of rules and then [TS]

  over time it's like well we'll throw in [TS]

  this rule will throw in that role in [TS]

  what will be able to have a you know an [TS]

  exile Island and you'll have a tiki idol [TS]

  that you can hold that makes you immune [TS]

  and it just became incredibly complex [TS]

  and american idol the same way they [TS]

  added the ability for judges to save a [TS]

  contestant who lost the vote and and and [TS]

  that it really reminded me of that when [TS]

  i was reading Hunger Games that not only [TS]

  is this about media construction but [TS]

  it's about a a something that started [TS]

  out as a more straightforward [TS]

  competition that has had to be that in [TS]

  itself that this terrible competition [TS]

  has been corrupted because they have to [TS]

  they have to keep the interest and keep [TS]

  the drama and and it's you know it's not [TS]

  even a fair competition anymore they're [TS]

  there that even that has gone by the [TS]

  wayside like they talk about how i'm [TS]

  going in that the people from district 1 [TS]

  and 2 3 maybe evidence for that the [TS]

  first closest districts to the capital [TS]

  you're not supposed to raise people to [TS]

  be tributes to to be in the hunger games [TS]

  but they do and everybody knows they do [TS]

  and those ones usually win and so so [TS]

  even there even in this and you know [TS]

  it's a corrupt society with this this [TS]

  game at its heart and even the game is [TS]

  completely corrupt even the thing that [TS]

  should have been like sort of you know [TS]

  you could you be like well okay you're [TS]

  terrible and you're gonna make me die [TS]

  but [TS]

  at least I got a fighting chance like no [TS]

  you don't even have that actually the [TS]

  premise of the professional tributes or [TS]

  what they call the careers she draws a [TS]

  line in the book where it's okay because [TS]

  districts 12 and four have had a lot of [TS]

  tributes when do they have a cold [TS]

  culture of career tributes whereas [TS]

  districts like 12 11 the rest of her [TS]

  super poor go they don't that really [TS]

  doesn't make sense from a from a [TS]

  resource resources perspective because I [TS]

  would think if you're if you're really [TS]

  poor district somebody add at a local [TS]

  level is going to make the calculation [TS]

  that it makes sense to cultivate some [TS]

  children to go out and fight to the [TS]

  death for you so that your entire [TS]

  district can get allotments and so why [TS]

  wouldn't you pull your resources and and [TS]

  try to and try to build up strong strong [TS]

  candidates in the poor districts in the [TS]

  hope of reallocate those resources [TS]

  rather than just say okay here's two or [TS]

  three districts that are always going to [TS]

  win [TS]

  off you go kids go die um it doesn't it [TS]

  doesn't make sense especially in a [TS]

  culture where they've had 75 years to [TS]

  get used to the games you think at this [TS]

  point you would have had somebody in one [TS]

  of the districts that said alright let's [TS]

  start taking a look at our ten-year olds [TS]

  and and figure out which ones we can [TS]

  turn to blood foreseeable killers and [TS]

  after a few years this dish and pan out [TS]

  for us [TS]

  I mean it really depends on the makeup [TS]

  of the district's to is that I think [TS]

  that a large reason why districts 12 and [TS]

  four have the career tribute is not [TS]

  necessarily just that oh they decided [TS]

  that it would be a good plan to to start [TS]

  up schools it's that what they make for [TS]

  the capital is largely a lot easier i [TS]

  want to say like what district district [TS]

  one makes jewelry or luxury goods yeah [TS]

  luxury goods & district for makes [TS]

  fishing or does fishing and yes or two [TS]

  is in charge of masonry I kind of got [TS]

  the picture that the poor districts are [TS]

  horror primarily because their children [TS]

  are having two more or less illegally [TS]

  work to keep things that status quo i [TS]

  actually have the Hunger Games tribute [TS]

  guide which is not my meat I'm not [TS]

  kiddin my 14 year old niece is a huge [TS]

  fan and she let me borrow it for the [TS]

  sake of this podcast and the tribute [TS]

  guide is actually written like a piece [TS]

  of propaganda for [TS]

  a citizen of the capital you know for [TS]

  example they describe the reaping they [TS]

  describe it as festive and they talk [TS]

  about how awesome every trick it is but [TS]

  they break down the did they break down [TS]

  the districts and what they make and [TS]

  this might be according to the movies [TS]

  but yea district 1 is the luxury goods [TS]

  district district who does masonry [TS]

  district 3 is technology these are the [TS]

  people who are taught from an early age [TS]

  how to program computers how to get out [TS]

  how to make circuit like that district 4 [TS]

  is fishing district 5 is your power [TS]

  district district 6 is allegedly [TS]

  transportation [TS]

  where is the guide notes ironically the [TS]

  citizens your help little love for [TS]

  travel district 7 as lumber district 8 [TS]

  is textiles district nine is grain [TS]

  district 10 as livestock district 11 as [TS]

  agriculture district was mining so so I [TS]

  takes the release point that some of [TS]

  these districts like basically district [TS]

  nine through eleven with sugar and [TS]

  districts [TS]

  I mean the kids are probably working the [TS]

  fields all day but the problem I have [TS]

  with these districts is there so [TS]

  simplified that I mean have you read it [TS]

  like that it really I feel like we're [TS]

  watching a game of settlers of catan you [TS]

  like that it's like the hungry [TS]

  tributes of catan i didn't had gone [TS]

  horribly horribly wrong and the people [TS]

  who make the lumber and the claim have [TS]

  25 each other [TS]

  oh yeah and but it you know this [TS]

  district that the Katniss is from it's [TS]

  like a town in the in the mountains with [TS]

  like a few people it I I struggle I find [TS]

  the setting of of the this book I guess [TS]

  I'm kind of unbelievable that uh that it [TS]

  seems to fall apart if you try to think [TS]

  about it too much because district 12 is [TS]

  a Dorothea Lange photograph and yeah [TS]

  just to justice will be out of town up [TS]

  and you know up in the up in the [TS]

  mountains north carolina foothills yeah [TS]

  i understand from this is that i mean [TS]

  the the whole premise of the the wide [TS]

  world of Penn m is it's basically [TS]

  post-apocalyptic post-apocalyptic USA [TS]

  where nukes were dropped bad endings [TS]

  happened and basically the entire world [TS]

  water levels really so that the [TS]

  batteries of the u.s. aren't what they [TS]

  used to be so yeah the way that I kind [TS]

  of interpret the district is [TS]

  that initially you can say oh the [TS]

  districts are the equivalent of states [TS]

  and there are only 12 states and then [TS]

  the capital is a state within itself but [TS]

  as i continue to read the books i think [TS]

  i get more of the feeling that the [TS]

  district's our cities and that's really [TS]

  like the only safe places that they're [TS]

  supposedly are in penn mr just these [TS]

  twelve cities because everything else [TS]

  has been so blasted by radiation or and [TS]

  by just you know unhappy one Hospital [TS]

  uninhabitable situations or at least [TS]

  that's the propaganda I kind of took the [TS]

  parallel for the Soviet Union to because [TS]

  back in back in the days of the old [TS]

  Soviet republics they did try to [TS]

  cultivate a tourist train and one and a [TS]

  natural gas trade and another and an oil [TS]

  trading third and you know that lumber [TS]

  up and up and you know up in the north [TS]

  and things like that and granted we saw [TS]

  how well that model did not work because [TS]

  um it seems like a really effective way [TS]

  to to brutalize the updated to brutalize [TS]

  it up people to is to point out that you [TS]

  know you have no chance of mobility you [TS]

  were born a farmer you're gonna die a [TS]

  farmer and the state needs your food [TS]

  sure figuratively that makes sense [TS]

  understanding you want to try to look at [TS]

  this logically I and how you talk about [TS]

  the travel times between the different [TS]

  zones and all that it's sort of you know [TS]

  it's like she wants to tell me dammit [TS]

  story about what's happening in these [TS]

  districts and yet you know it i would [TS]

  have understood if they had said that [TS]

  district 12 is a you know is a bunch of [TS]

  mining towns up and down this entire [TS]

  mountain range and she's from one town [TS]

  that happens to be near the seat of it [TS]

  and you know their one little cog in the [TS]

  wheel of this district that's mining [TS]

  that's apparently is literally like you [TS]

  got a small town here up in the [TS]

  mountains there's 100 people and this is [TS]

  where the whole district right here it's [TS]

  a no-no how yeah that's yeah it's not [TS]

  you know but that's ok if this is just a [TS]

  lot of hand waving with the technology [TS]

  to because it if they have these [TS]

  hardscrabble existence is where they [TS]

  wash out of bases and then we're on a [TS]

  train and order the Rockies and magnetic [TS]

  levitation is you know it's it's she's [TS]

  the point here is not is not to take it [TS]

  too literally the point here is that [TS]

  she's making media satire and she's [TS]

  making political satire she's talking [TS]

  about uh you know in many ways this is [TS]

  like um 1984 [TS]

  or as as young adult fiction it its it [TS]

  and and I was actually impressed as I [TS]

  read the sequences in the capital of [TS]

  course in the in the success of books [TS]

  you get more of this to that that this [TS]

  is you know this is the flash the flashy [TS]

  story is about the the tributes going [TS]

  down into the into the arena but it you [TS]

  know it's really a story about a [TS]

  totalitarian government and depressing [TS]

  its people and ended that way I thought [TS]

  it was like oh this is like you know my [TS]

  little golden book 1984 which is nice [TS]

  and subversive and i like that would [TS]

  have the place as as goofy as some of [TS]

  the technology does I can kind of [TS]

  explain it away in my head logistical e [TS]

  but yeah I mean it's definitely the [TS]

  hunger games does not set out to be [TS]

  super ok we're going to be completely [TS]

  factually accurate about what would [TS]

  happen in the case of a post a lot of [TS]

  post-apocalyptic United States but I [TS]

  mean they have a lot of this that said [TS]

  she plays with a lot of really strange [TS]

  and fascinating technology the game can [TS]

  we talk about the game for a second just [TS]

  the actual Hunger Games and the okay [TS]

  yeah he has to start firing up a spoiler [TS]

  horn so the pediatric well yeah we're [TS]

  going to talk about the I feel [TS]

  constrained don't know we yes exactly [TS]

  right [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  we're going to talk freely about the [TS]

  first book in the movie we will warn [TS]

  people before we talk about the sequel's [TS]

  so go for it [TS]

  ray ok so talking about the way let's [TS]

  let's get into the killing the hundred [TS]

  games themselves at heinz oh yeah Jason [TS]

  yeah well she wins for this book so I [TS]

  really love the light love is a weird [TS]

  word to use about kids killing each [TS]

  other in a in a crazy what Truman Show [TS]

  like dome but i love the technology [TS]

  behind the hunger games like I love that [TS]

  it's basically a giant virtual [TS]

  chessboard for this group of engineers [TS]

  and you don't really get to see that in [TS]

  the books you know because it's all from [TS]

  Katniss's point of view so you can only [TS]

  really interact with the technology [TS]

  through her eyes so you hear about the [TS]

  the mutations or the blood tests much [TS]

  imagination [TS]

  yeah yeah mutations which i always want [TS]

  to pronounce as much seoeon's because i [TS]

  don't know why it is because they are [TS]

  French yes so even want to show friends [TS]

  friends will tell you we are doing [TS]

  people we do not like that'll happen so [TS]

  income like in comparison to the film i [TS]

  really like that we get to see seneca [TS]

  cranes big headquarters and we get more [TS]

  interaction you know we get to see the [TS]

  engineers building the the dogs like oh [TS]

  yeah let's let's place that here let's [TS]

  make a tree fall it's not first person [TS]

  that I i think that's a huge strength of [TS]

  the of the movie is that it we are not [TS]

  locked in Katniss's perspective for the [TS]

  entire thing we can't see the story [TS]

  being planted that so I found myself [TS]

  really digging for that in in the whole [TS]

  series but certainly the movie did it [TS]

  will get to it but and certainly the [TS]

  movie did a very good job of letting you [TS]

  see the game master and the attic and [TS]

  the end the politics behind the scenes [TS]

  while they're in there that that added a [TS]

  huge it was just it was a great thing to [TS]

  add into also love coming again they [TS]

  illustrate how blithely disconnected the [TS]

  capital the capital citizens and the [TS]

  capital workers are from the nature of [TS]

  the game [TS]

  and because you've got these workers who [TS]

  are very intently just maneuvering [TS]

  things in the board and they're [TS]

  obviously jockeying for their boss's [TS]

  approval and they clearly don't care [TS]

  that what they're basically doing is is [TS]

  making it very very easy for children to [TS]

  die instead it's like a boss do you want [TS]

  me to divert this river yeah that sounds [TS]

  great let's move her and and for them [TS]

  it's it's it's they're basically [TS]

  manipulating pixels that's where it [TS]

  begins and ends with them and I i found [TS]

  that sense of detachment to be really [TS]

  really chilling an effective or more so [TS]

  than if you had peeps somebody who came [TS]

  in and said hey does it ever bother you [TS]

  that we are moving with human beings [TS]

  lives know that the fact that nobody did [TS]

  that i thought was the best thing that [TS]

  could have done that these people don't [TS]

  even bother to think about the [TS]

  contestants as human beings anymore that [TS]

  that part of the story is over and [TS]

  they're just chess pieces that they're [TS]

  just kids [TS]

  what do you think I want to do it no [TS]

  that guy already died he was our he was [TS]

  executed the 73rd yeah we don't talk [TS]

  about him you know actually okay here's [TS]

  a question about prior Hunger Games how [TS]

  come nobody ever tried civil [TS]

  disobedience where were like all the [TS]

  contestants just that all right you know [TS]

  what we're not participating we're just [TS]

  gonna hang out the Cornucopia and hold [TS]

  hands [TS]

  you know because if it's televised the [TS]

  capital is in a position where either [TS]

  they're going to have to start killing [TS]

  off the contestants families or the [TS]

  great circle have two contestants on [TS]

  live TV like it never occurred to [TS]

  anybody to to rally up the other the [TS]

  other tributes and say we're not going [TS]

  to participate [TS]

  everyone goes in this with the [TS]

  assumption they have to participate and [TS]

  I can't believe that in 74 years nobody [TS]

  ever tried it differently [TS]

  I suspect they have but i also suspect [TS]

  you know you have districts 12 and four [TS]

  you have the career tribute to have [TS]

  people who think oh well what if that's [TS]

  a trap and they're just saying let's [TS]

  hold hands so one of us you know can [TS]

  drop down with a machete and kill [TS]

  everybody [TS]

  that's the absolute the the hunger games [TS]

  where everybody died of dehydration [TS]

  who's to say that they didn't its [TS]

  channel refuse to fight and so they just [TS]

  turn up the heat and and tried to see if [TS]

  they could make them fight until they [TS]

  all dropped right now I also think [TS]

  you're right the capital could have been [TS]

  manipulating the narrative so [TS]

  there-there is that i have millions of [TS]

  cameras and I mean the hunger games is [TS]

  but even in this one starts off with [TS]

  lots of allies and friendships among the [TS]

  contestants until it gets down [TS]

  2 2 or 3 so what's to say that they [TS]

  don't start it off as oh yeah all 24 [TS]

  let's see how they slowly turn against [TS]

  each other I mean that's typical reality [TS]

  television isn't it you put everybody in [TS]

  the house when you watch them crack [TS]

  basically and the the beauty of the they [TS]

  could have made it 24 wonder what did we [TS]

  learn from the first season of survivor [TS]

  is alliances are formed even though you [TS]

  know there can only be one winner and so [TS]

  that happens here and that's also [TS]

  fascinating the idea that we're going to [TS]

  join together and work together for some [TS]

  unknown period of time and then we'll [TS]

  turn on each other and and kill each [TS]

  other and that's a natural kind of thing [TS]

  so you end up getting the oh well world [TS]

  could work together but you know that in [TS]

  the end [TS]

  something's gonna happen and that for me [TS]

  that was a lot of big drama in watching [TS]

  what was happening with with Katniss was [TS]

  you know she when she teams up with roo [TS]

  um there is an underlying fear there and [TS]

  and likewise with pita that up until [TS]

  they change the rules in the middle of [TS]

  the game which always seemed really [TS]

  kinky to me that the big fear is what if [TS]

  we're too successful because if we're to [TS]

  successful we will be the last two and [TS]

  then one of us has to kill the other one [TS]

  right i mean that's like a fascinating [TS]

  kind of alternate like sidebar fear that [TS]

  is what if we win because then my buddy [TS]

  I I you know I hope my buddy dies [TS]

  accidentally by a stray arrow but before [TS]

  we get to the end because i don't have [TS]

  to kill her [TS]

  well did they chichi handle she has that [TS]

  scenario kind of it in with a little bit [TS]

  of back story book number two which will [TS]

  get to when we get to it but that goes [TS]

  through cause you're like oh gosh what [TS]

  is cat is going to do about room later [TS]

  on and and well actually someone did [TS]

  before so this other whatever you know [TS]

  i-i-i again sweet character i can i can [TS]

  i felt a little manipulated [TS]

  oh yeah no I mean she's they're entirely [TS]

  to stand yell to die in to stand in as a [TS]

  figure for Katniss's sister [TS]

  yeah and comedian she's painted like [TS]

  that from the start [TS]

  oh yeah but because of the only person [TS]

  Katniss cares about and so this is this [TS]

  is part of the emotional education of [TS]

  katniss everdeen and learning how to [TS]

  care about other people to exactly what [TS]

  we talked about the the the romance [TS]

  aspect here because that was that what I [TS]

  was feeling kind of twilit while I was [TS]

  reading I have to say I thought that [TS]

  this is you know if you're going to [TS]

  write a young adult novel [TS]

  note to self because I wrote one and I [TS]

  didn't do this so this is obviously [TS]

  something for the rewrite [TS]

  you know you're gonna have the female [TS]

  character with the two male characters [TS]

  both over its similar and yet different [TS]

  no I just can't decide and oh I know it [TS]

  must be him no no no it must be him [TS]

  no no it must be him instead that is [TS]

  like that is a pathway to riches i'll [TS]

  tell ya dad drove me with with the with [TS]

  now I'm gonna remember there's with Gail [TS]

  and Peeta that was you know I i had that [TS]

  motor like really really good in a book [TS]

  that i really enjoyed that was the [TS]

  moment like this feels a little [TS]

  calculated to me that I have to have a [TS]

  romantic subplot where she's torn and it [TS]

  just it felt very much like well it [TS]

  worked for twilight let's do it here [TS]

  which is why I really enjoy and [TS]

  presidents no calls around her patent [TS]

  and sincerity towards Peter at the end I [TS]

  I thought that was just delightful [TS]

  because because he's got her number [TS]

  oh yeah he rubs it in oh yeah i think [TS]

  it's interesting that in both cases it's [TS]

  not that while Gail and Peeta may [TS]

  express themselves and their intentions [TS]

  towards Katniss she she looked and this [TS]

  is my problem because there's not a [TS]

  whole lot I i did read that a lot of [TS]

  people to kill here [TS]

  yeah yeah I i did read the twilight [TS]

  books and and she doesn't really do a [TS]

  whole lot of the the introspective but [TS]

  me [TS]

  Oh what do they see anything that says [TS]

  special vs that Bella Swan did instead [TS]

  she's like again either she either she [TS]

  has gained to catch she has people to [TS]

  kill and she will figure it all out [TS]

  later [TS]

  well she is and she's clueless about it [TS]

  for a long period of time which i [TS]

  thought was turning it shows how young [TS]

  she really is and it's you know in the [TS]

  movie you know you can't you can't [TS]

  really cast thirteen-year-olds in this [TS]

  movie but that was actually one of my [TS]

  big problems with the movie is that it [TS]

  like like watching any TV show set in [TS]

  high school you've got a whole bunch of [TS]

  people in their mid-twenties me a 16 [TS]

  year olds and and you miss at least at [TS]

  least some of the characters like rue [TS]

  were they cast young and so you could be [TS]

  like oh she's really young but the main [TS]

  characters are older and you know in the [TS]

  book that was a nice bit of Katniss is [TS]

  she's so capable in so many ways and yet [TS]

  no she you know doesn't really even have [TS]

  just really even get it with Gail like [TS]

  later Shannon ok I'll he actually is [TS]

  kind of interesting huh i have the right [TS]

  it's like sheet it's not it doesn't even [TS]

  occur to her because she's young and [TS]

  she's really just not even focused on [TS]

  that at the same time he's focused on [TS]

  feeding your family and you know where [TS]

  and whereas in in the movie it's a [TS]

  different it's a very different story [TS]

  because Jennifer Lawrence is a you know [TS]

  she's he's a full-grown woman she's a [TS]

  full-grown woman that she's she's on the [TS]

  younger side I think she's like 22 or [TS]

  something but yeah but but she's still a [TS]

  full-grown woman and it and it has a [TS]

  different meaning when when when you [TS]

  read it that way and also I don't think [TS]

  escaped your notice the forest younger [TS]

  brother is pretty hot so so that there's [TS]

  a little bit of there's a little bit of [TS]

  that it is 37 brother i had that moment [TS]

  where i was watching it and get thinking [TS]

  he looks familiar he's he's kinda like [TS]

  Thor Captain Kirk's dad but he's younger [TS]

  and then at the end i see i see that it [TS]

  has a is actually a hips worth my weight [TS]

  haha i don't know what they're putting [TS]

  the water in that family but Asgard they [TS]

  grow big group projects water so [TS]

  referring once again to the Hunger Games [TS]

  tribute guide flipping through it right [TS]

  now and a lot of the background tribute [TS]

  to get killed almost immediately they [TS]

  actually did cast people who look really [TS]

  young and childlike I'm oh yeah well [TS]

  that's the trip night is is that they [TS]

  they tried to get the idea that young [TS]

  people are going to die by having a TV [TS]

  and important parts but the important [TS]

  parts when two people who were 20 21 in [TS]

  there Tony [TS]

  yeah yeah you got stars yeah in in the [TS]

  future in a post-apocalyptic future [TS]

  people mature much faster that it's [TS]

  literally information let the hard world [TS]

  you have to get is that when you're the [TS]

  mines and didn't wealth [TS]

  oh yeah yeah i mean in the movie i have [TS]

  to say they did a pretty good job of the [TS]

  romance without making it feel / rot [TS]

  I really love the look and feel of the [TS]

  movie but the one thing I think they got [TS]

  wrong [TS]

  um I i just liked how they they turn the [TS]

  capital aesthetic into i'm christian [TS]

  lacroix needs Marie Antoinette because [TS]

  it's a well it had to feel that someone [TS]

  watched the app series from the nineteen [TS]

  nineties and then they watch Sophia [TS]

  Coppola Marie Antoinette said stop [TS]

  drilling you struck oil [TS]

  because they had this very baroque very [TS]

  elaborate look and it just didn't sit [TS]

  right for some reason it's that weirdly [TS]

  on my eyes and I kept thinking this is [TS]

  very plausible but that could just be my [TS]

  own the book she wanted to make it seem [TS]

  that was one of the sci-fi kind of [TS]

  futuristic elements is this is an [TS]

  outlandish ridiculous completely like to [TS]

  our eyes and yeah into the eyes of the [TS]

  people in the districts because that's [TS]

  who were who were seeing this world [TS]

  through their eyes to people in green [TS]

  skin it's outrageous right there their [TS]

  script skin is different colors and they [TS]

  you know it it's and the fashion is [TS]

  outrageous and they told it down i think [TS]

  in pain because it would have seemed [TS]

  kind of insane to movie audiences [TS]

  because then you take your taking it [TS]

  literally you're actually seeing it [TS]

  whereas a as a sci-fi you know [TS]

  bookreader i read that really wow that's [TS]

  pretty wacky but I I kind of go with it [TS]

  so yeah sure okay blue skin or giant [TS]

  hair and what I don't see these people [TS]

  in groups and you're reading in a book [TS]

  but when you see it and it's like [TS]

  stanley tucci and I think that goes to [TS]

  the architecture and things like that is [TS]

  that they'd rather than make it kind of [TS]

  outlandish they make it this sort of you [TS]

  know it's it's a a wealthy future it's [TS]

  actually the only part of this thing [TS]

  that set in the future that actually [TS]

  feels like it's in the future which i [TS]

  think is part of the point is like [TS]

  everybody else is basically been thrown [TS]

  into the past and the future has been [TS]

  hoarded by the cat the winners honestly [TS]

  I feel like they could have just [TS]

  everybody the real housewives of new [TS]

  jersey and got the same effect [TS]

  yeah let's go and it would have been up [TS]

  because i was watching that when i flew [TS]

  home last last Monday be flown virgin [TS]

  and I had it on one of the headrests and [TS]

  I didn't have the headphone so she's [TS]

  kind of when I was intended to the [TS]

  toddler's catching bits and pieces of it [TS]

  out of the corner of my eye on mute so [TS]

  it was like this really weird kabuki [TS]

  pantomime they just and that seemed [TS]

  weird and disconnected from reality and [TS]

  bizarrely futuristic because everyone's [TS]

  got this this incredibly manufactured [TS]

  machine-made look to them so really all [TS]

  you had to do was just look at the real [TS]

  housewives of new jersey the that the [TS]

  flashback to the Baroque things what [TS]

  bugs me from an athletic perspective and [TS]

  I can't quite put my finger on why is [TS]

  obviously it's a great metaphor with the [TS]

  Marie Antoinette the hoarding of riches [TS]

  let them eat cake and all that but for [TS]

  some reason I'm for some reason if [TS]

  you've got a movie that calls back so [TS]

  clearly to other periods of great [TS]

  economic and [TS]

  justice in the u.s. you know since [TS]

  district was obviously meant to evoke [TS]

  the Dorothea Lange photographs of [TS]

  decimal my coworkers and since the games [TS]

  themselves are supposed to evoke that [TS]

  the the the sooner rustic narrative of [TS]

  cowboy indian movies you know [TS]

  then why do you not go with the roaring [TS]

  twenties or Gilded Age theme for the [TS]

  capital why do you have to go to Marie [TS]

  Antoinette instead see I look at it more [TS]

  as these are people who for the last [TS]

  what 75 80 years since the capital has [TS]

  conquered the rest of the districts and [TS]

  sort of kept everything peace [TS]

  these are people who probably haven't [TS]

  had to work a day in their lives and it [TS]

  basically spend every single moment [TS]

  shopping and interior designing and you [TS]

  know dressing up Julie I saw the bravo [TS]

  network is keeping us all down where [TS]

  we're going basically well it's the [TS]

  hunger games and broadcast on bravo and [TS]

  I bet you in there will be the one who [TS]

  does that the interviews he sees her [TS]

  Flickerman oh my god yes [TS]

  you think it's all gonna go together [TS]

  yeah yeah I feel like if if you have [TS]

  eight years because people who can't [TS]

  create artwork or you know they can't [TS]

  exercise their passions it just all goes [TS]

  into just fashion which goes I mean you [TS]

  see what's going on really personal yeah [TS]

  but it reads quickly to is being you [TS]

  know a decadent society and and that in [TS]

  a film that has to compress so much to [TS]

  get book content into into its into its [TS]

  running time even though it does you [TS]

  know run for more than two hours it's [TS]

  still got to compress a lot and that's [TS]

  one of the ways that they that they [TS]

  would compress it so this so Gary Ross [TS]

  the director big for him to make a movie [TS]

  without to be wire in it usually know [TS]

  that it that's his is touching your dick [TS]

  know and is that is that has music yes [TS]

  well pleasantville and Seabiscuit or [TS]

  both his most successful in Paradise and [TS]

  Mia's and Toto people yeah i know it is [TS]

  a strange choice and it's making me do [TS]

  things [TS]

  what did what do you think I mean we we [TS]

  watch this movie after having read the [TS]

  book and I'm just curious how you think [TS]

  that they in general it worked as a [TS]

  movie because it what's been fascinating [TS]

  to see [TS]

  is that the movie did so well and that [TS]

  people went obviously who saw the movie [TS]

  who hadn't read the book and it has [TS]

  driven people to read the book because I [TS]

  see people reading the Hunger Games [TS]

  everywhere now which is warms my heart [TS]

  that people are reading books it's great [TS]

  and then a movie you know not only the [TS]

  book create this audience for a movie [TS]

  series which is awesome but also that [TS]

  the success of the movie has led people [TS]

  to read the book so the question is you [TS]

  know what was your take on the movie is [TS]

  a movie i really liked the film as a [TS]

  whole I i went into it really not [TS]

  expecting to like it very much because [TS]

  while I like Jennifer Lawrence and why [TS]

  like a lot of people who are in the film [TS]

  I'm like well it's pretty it's [TS]

  complicated as far as things go and you [TS]

  you have to walk the line between you [TS]

  know killing kids on screen how do you [TS]

  gonna do that a lot of exactly how you [TS]

  do that [TS]

  yeah exactly Gary Ross's answer was a [TS]

  really really good editor and a lot of [TS]

  shaky cam which while the shaky shaky [TS]

  cam elements were used for effect they [TS]

  were used to show OES district 12 is [TS]

  very somber and meager and we're going [TS]

  to express that by moving the camera [TS]

  quickly and showing lots of down faces [TS]

  and then to avoid brutal murder of [TS]

  children on screen they use the shaky [TS]

  cam 2 and cuts to basically make it all [TS]

  happened very fast and so that resulted [TS]

  in a little bit of nausea but that aside [TS]

  what did not allow them to keep their [TS]

  pg-13 [TS]

  yeah okay just about what BS that is [TS]

  because bear in mind this movie dropped [TS]

  at the same time that bully did and the [TS]

  mpaa gay bullying that rated R rating [TS]

  because of an F bomb dropped but this [TS]

  movie which which is all about the Mary [TS]

  murder of children for entertainment [TS]

  it's a pg-13 [TS]

  yeah yep yeah no no that's that is like [TS]

  Hunger Games little crazy the role right [TS]

  there so the thing about about it is is [TS]

  that they want this movie to be wide a [TS]

  you-know-what with a wide audience in it [TS]

  and it does appeal to younger audience [TS]

  as well so they they did what they had [TS]

  to do to make it a movie that was still [TS]

  about people killing other people kids [TS]

  killing other kids while not making it [TS]

  so bloody that it would get in our and [TS]

  it wasn't i actually thought that we [TS]

  be a real challenge I while I was [TS]

  reading the book and and you know a lot [TS]

  of a little shaky cam goes a long way [TS]

  and into making surprisingly lose track [TS]

  of the detail but still no because in [TS]

  the old days they would be sort of like [TS]

  you'd show the reaction of the person [TS]

  that yahoo and then you know [TS]

  suffice to say he died but we don't know [TS]

  how because blood spurt yeah so you get [TS]

  enough of it but at the same time you [TS]

  could argue that the whole point of this [TS]

  is that it should be brutal and that you [TS]

  know if you want her down the violence [TS]

  you really kind of missing the point of [TS]

  view of what this is about I think they [TS]

  will they walked that nice line whereas [TS]

  i don't think any of the deaths felt [TS]

  hollow to me when we're actually seeing [TS]

  it on screen which is nice even the [TS]

  moment that Lisa brought up earlier when [TS]

  Katniss is basically writing on the [TS]

  train and watching I what I'm guessing [TS]

  our rebroadcasts of old Hunger Games in [TS]

  order to strike up the tributes for [TS]

  blasting other games network [TS]

  yes exactly look at what's fun a week to [TS]

  you but I mean 8 they show it pretty [TS]

  well I enter without necessarily showing [TS]

  you the the gruesome details they [TS]

  managed to evoke the oh this kid gets [TS]

  killed with a spear this kid gets blown [TS]

  up [TS]

  it's kind of funny actually the [TS]

  sequences so many ways to die [TS]

  you know a good trailer that there's a [TS]

  good promo for catching fire [TS]

  aya I really you know I liked it I liked [TS]

  the movie i thought they did I thought [TS]

  they did a pretty good job with a movie [TS]

  that or with a source material that was [TS]

  hard to figure out how they were going [TS]

  to fit it all in and I think as we said [TS]

  earlier having perspective to earn [TS]

  Katniss's helps it i think you know this [TS]

  is not i think if not a first novel but [TS]

  an early novel and it's got some some [TS]

  issues that these you know screenwriters [TS]

  got to fix [TS]

  I mean I did there are things in it that [TS]

  are that are the story by slowing it [TS]

  down getting it into a little more than [TS]

  two hours instead of the the length of [TS]

  the book which would guess film would [TS]

  have been you know whatever eight hours [TS]

  i made some good choices clarified a lot [TS]

  of things they can show some things that [TS]

  don't they don't need to go into detail [TS]

  because you see if you're like oh yeah I [TS]

  get that [TS]

  they can move on with the rest of the [TS]

  premise and you know the casting just [TS]

  Jennifer Lawrence herself and goes a [TS]

  long way and woody harrelson children [TS]

  worldwide Harrelson into I thought that [TS]

  the the casting really help this movie [TS]

  if they had not found the right Katniss [TS]

  this would have been a disaster [TS]

  Elizabeth Banks was fantastic oh my yeah [TS]

  Elizabeth length is good in almost [TS]

  everything she is it is amazing isn't it [TS]

  josh hutcherson does nothing for me and [TS]

  he seems like kind of a human blanket [TS]

  but that's ok it's funny that I didn't [TS]

  like it [TS]

  we have to take our hats off to stanley [TS]

  tucci because man and he was amazing [TS]

  these I well the opening of introducing [TS]

  yes I'm Caesar Flickerman and this is my [TS]

  television show you know exactly who he [TS]

  is within the first 10 seconds of him [TS]

  sitting on stage and you just see the [TS]

  flashes of marque behind him with him [TS]

  smiling in like 20 different clip shows [TS]

  that that whole sort of clip show [TS]

  experience when he's interviewing the [TS]

  candidates it feels like you're watching [TS]

  all of the best episodes of David [TS]

  Letterman kind of strung up together and [TS]

  you get a sense very clearly is like oh [TS]

  he is the talk show personality in the [TS]

  capital like this is the man and i would [TS]

  love to know who he watched when he was [TS]

  prepping for this [TS]

  oh yeah and because it seems like he's [TS]

  obviously picking up on a bunch of [TS]

  different people who are out there right [TS]

  now there's a little Johnny Carson is a [TS]

  little Jack any yeah I thought it was a [TS]

  good adaptation because like you said [TS]

  that Paris back a lot of the problematic [TS]

  stuff it [TS]

  it told a good fast story you didn't [TS]

  need to know a whole lot of backstory [TS]

  and they didn't have too many in jokes [TS]

  or anything that people who didn't read [TS]

  the book first would miss um that's [TS]

  actually my complaint about collecting [TS]

  movies a lot of times they do a lot of [TS]

  fanservice expensive people who just [TS]

  want to watch a film and this didn't he [TS]

  was it was a good i think that will [TS]

  probably people who watch all three or [TS]

  four hunger games movies and never read [TS]

  the books and that's ok we'll be fine [TS]

  with it you know and they won't need to [TS]

  read the books to have gotten the full [TS]

  impact of the story it tells a much more [TS]

  complete story than any of the harry [TS]

  potter book movies for instance [TS]

  no which by and large just feel like [TS]

  this scene and then this scene and then [TS]

  this scene [TS]

  whereas the hunger games movie was [TS]

  written well enough that you're like oh [TS]

  no I'm actually following a plot here [TS]

  and I don't feel like if i missed a [TS]

  scene somewhere right going number one [TS]

  thing I did want to bring up from the [TS]

  film is there's there's a scene between [TS]

  President Snow and Seneca Crane the [TS]

  gamemaster which we do not get in the [TS]

  books where he's basically you know he's [TS]

  basically lecturing Seneca Crane about [TS]

  being too nice to Katniss but he has [TS]

  this wonderful line where it's like yeah [TS]

  do you know why we do this why don't we [TS]

  just you know roundup 24 people shoot [TS]

  them and the whole concept of you [TS]

  we're doing this to give them hope and [TS]

  the the idea of giving these nations who [TS]

  have basically betrayed us the idea that [TS]

  were being lenient in any sort of way [TS]

  dampens the idea of this sacrifice I [TS]

  mean that's a really powerful image that [TS]

  it takes [TS]

  Katniss in mint in like her inner [TS]

  dialogue in the book something like [TS]

  seven or eight chapters for us to really [TS]

  grasp but on-screen they managed to do [TS]

  it in five minutes with this [TS]

  conversation and I really really love [TS]

  that so I think we're going to move on [TS]

  to the other two books about you have [TS]

  been made in movies and so we will [TS]

  consider this your spoiler warning [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  so if you haven't read second or third [TS]

  books please turn away or be spoiled [TS]

  forever so let's talk about catching [TS]

  fire which is the second book in the [TS]

  trilogy or as i like to call it a that [TS]

  book was so fun i'm gonna write it again [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah it's actually got there [TS]

  are a lot of things in catching fire [TS]

  that are better than the hunger games [TS]

  but my disappointment is she decided to [TS]

  tell the same story again so it's like [TS]

  we're getting the band back together [TS]

  we're gonna we're gonna put we're gonna [TS]

  put it you know you're back in and it's [TS]

  gonna be an all-star matchup of for the [TS]

  75th anniversary of all the tributes who [TS]

  survived and and all your own they also [TS]

  never works on reality TV and those to [TS]

  be criticism now called a TV as well but [TS]

  that's what I don't know what it is [TS]

  that's what we're about how all-star [TS]

  survivor was a real disappointment and [TS]

  that's what destroyed so I i see that [TS]

  more or less as not a cop out by the [TS]

  writer but actually as a permanent thing [TS]

  where she's she's basically showing the [TS]

  capital being like oh well crap our [TS]

  citizens are becoming restless and we [TS]

  don't know how to control them and the [TS]

  only way we've been able to control them [TS]

  before is the hunger games so let's [TS]

  throw the people who are making trouble [TS]

  right back into the hunger games i won't [TS]

  be manufactured the history where he [TS]

  brings up as envelope notes with a look [TS]

  at this year's challenge return oh yes [TS]

  sure it's been the sealed for this year [TS]

  years and only now revealed like so huh [TS]

  it's so strong structurally uh what I [TS]

  would like to see this goes back to my [TS]

  praise of the movie for showing us a [TS]

  different perspective I felt like she [TS]

  had again were criticizing somebody who [TS]

  made a gigantic boatload of money with [TS]

  these and and you know she may be made a [TS]

  great commercial decision to just replay [TS]

  the first book again and she did get a [TS]

  chance to improve like this some of the [TS]

  action that happens in the arena is [TS]

  better i think she you know took a [TS]

  second crack at it and did some things [TS]

  right but I kept feeling like I would [TS]

  almost rather have seen [TS]

  the Katniss as a mentor and seen the [TS]

  political imagination is happening and [TS]

  sea the games as they're viewed from the [TS]

  outside by the mentors as this stuff is [TS]

  happening and maybe as they're plotting [TS]

  to get people out of the capital and [TS]

  good even rescue people from in the game [TS]

  I i would have almost rather Katniss not [TS]

  had been in there and seen it from the [TS]

  perspective of the person on the outside [TS]

  we meet a new contestant and it's very [TS]

  upsetting but they're gonna die and [TS]

  Katniss has to watch it at my end they [TS]

  missed you know she missed an [TS]

  opportunity to sort of like explore a [TS]

  different part of the world and that [TS]

  frustrated me with this as well done [TS]

  some of it is that it's just a retread & [TS]

  it's like you know she had parts of her [TS]

  world that she could have explored more [TS]

  and chose to do the replay [TS]

  so here's my theory actually is if you [TS]

  take a look at the arc of Katniss's [TS]

  development over the course of the [TS]

  trilogy um by the but the the third book [TS]

  is basically about how people who are on [TS]

  the cusp of adulthood have to learn how [TS]

  to negotiate the adult world where they [TS]

  don't understand a lot of the rules and [TS]

  are not sure who was friend who's though [TS]

  it's your basic ok i'm in college doing [TS]

  out my roommate type scenario except you [TS]

  know revolutions and the way I see it is [TS]

  the second book is kind of the bridge [TS]

  between the profoundly adolescent junior [TS]

  high / high school mentality of the [TS]

  hunger games where you work where the [TS]

  readers meant to relate to Katniss as [TS]

  you would relate to a 9th grader or [TS]

  anybody else who's in the situation that [TS]

  feels hostile and they don't make the [TS]

  rules and their job is just to survive [TS]

  it [TS]

  this book is meant to say okay we've had [TS]

  a point adolescence where we realize [TS]

  that the rules are rigged and where we [TS]

  realize that adults don't have all the [TS]

  answers and sometimes they're going to [TS]

  look to us for the answers and we have [TS]

  to step up because that's going to be [TS]

  our job more as we get older and so by [TS]

  the third book she'sshe's neck-deep in [TS]

  in the messy adult world and there's no [TS]

  more adolescent hunger games at all so [TS]

  so I think this book provides a valuable [TS]

  transition role I i think it has the [TS]

  worst ending out of the three books like [TS]

  like the last few chapters are just like [TS]

  what what what oh it's a cliffhanger [TS]

  RNA maybe it's just it's an empire [TS]

  strikes back ask trying to capture that [TS]

  and so it's just so miserably [TS]

  yeah it's just I i think it's got a [TS]

  really weak ending but i think that in [TS]

  terms of how Katniss involves a care or [TS]

  s involvement how she grows into who [TS]

  she's going to be on i think that this [TS]

  book provides a pretty valuable bridge [TS]

  between simplistic or childlike [TS]

  understanding of who she was in the [TS]

  first book versus the more nuanced [TS]

  reconstruction of her personality that [TS]

  she has 22 it to undergo by the end of [TS]

  the third book [TS]

  so you know it's it's I don't miss I [TS]

  don't necessarily see it as a retrail I [TS]

  see this kind of okay the first book is [TS]

  is junior high or ninth grade maybe the [TS]

  second book is your senior year of high [TS]

  school [TS]

  this launches you the third book which [TS]

  is college and what is everything is [TS]

  different cities and in sinaa who we've [TS]

  seen all along and we haven't really [TS]

  talked about who was cast in the movie I [TS]

  didn't let your wife know you know what [TS]

  I thought he was fine [TS]

  however I thought his creations were [TS]

  miscast in the movie oh yeah because you [TS]

  get you get the picture of them being [TS]

  these flamboyant amazed but am I crazy [TS]

  and that i remembered her when her when [TS]

  she spins around like showing off her [TS]

  dress the original dress burns off yes [TS]

  they took it out [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah but it was very [TS]

  interesting character in and you know [TS]

  Lenny Kravitz to play with the movie was [TS]

  not he was charismatic although not [TS]

  really what I expected but you're right [TS]

  read that the the outfits I was really [TS]

  disappointed that they didn't do her [TS]

  trick where the outfit burns off to [TS]

  reveal the other outfit that way yeah my [TS]

  favorite things and I was I can picture [TS]

  that in my mind's eye they're like yeah [TS]

  it's too hard we're not going to do that [TS]

  and they even around unless you're [TS]

  picturing even the outfits of the [TS]

  charity with the chariot were like yeah [TS]

  yeah yeah no it was not i guess it's [TS]

  easier to say they were very impressive [TS]

  and people were people who love them and [TS]

  they were like nothing ever seen before [TS]

  and then you're the costumes of your [TS]

  life what the hell am I gonna do cuz i [TS]

  can't do that so I don't have this [TS]

  technology available to me now which is [TS]

  what it is so that I think micro I think [TS]

  Michael early would have been a really [TS]

  nice setup [TS]

  I think he's got I think I I think he I [TS]

  think he would have provided a really [TS]

  compelling look and he's got a certain [TS]

  stillness of character that works well [TS]

  for Senna and I don't have tended to be [TS]

  so intriguing but because how do you [TS]

  work in basically a bravo TV style [TS]

  industry like remaking tributes and live [TS]

  in the capital and still be somebody who [TS]

  decides that your core this is wrong [TS]

  this is wrong i'm going to help foment [TS]

  rebellion with what I do you know we [TS]

  never that that's one of my criticisms [TS]

  of the book is we never get an idea of [TS]

  what draws people to the rebellion [TS]

  or how they managed to join it um I mean [TS]

  the district's it's kind of obvious but [TS]

  in the capital that there's a lot of [TS]

  people in the capital horn rebellion how [TS]

  did they get there what made them decide [TS]

  it was that [TS]

  do you believe the catalyst was confused [TS]

  and clueless at the end as that was one [TS]

  of those moments of like really does she [TS]

  not understand what's happening here [TS]

  that they're like oh I just fired my [TS]

  arrows and I don't know what I'm you [TS]

  know at the end I thought I thought she [TS]

  came across as being a little a little [TS]

  clueless that was surprising for me to [TS]

  think it's um it's all very hectic right [TS]

  at the second book is all about being [TS]

  you know everything's going crazy [TS]

  she's caught off-guard 23 button i think [TS]

  one of the reasons the second book it [TS]

  shook me the first time I read it is [TS]

  because she's persistently off her game [TS]

  both she and gallant young gets whipped [TS]

  in a public square and this is something [TS]

  you've got the sense of the first book [TS]

  that they had basically figured out [TS]

  district 12 and they had it gained they [TS]

  had figured out ways to get out of it [TS]

  for hunting they had participation [TS]

  thriving black market [TS]

  nobody mess with them they're just two [TS]

  kids who like to hunt and in the second [TS]

  book Katniss is besieged on all sides [TS]

  her uncle cousin is greatness it and she [TS]

  doesn't have to trust that these games [TS]

  are even more confusing because she's [TS]

  going up against older more seasoned [TS]

  opponents well they're no longer novel [TS]

  and they can't get away with all the [TS]

  tricks that got them where they were the [TS]

  first time and then that that is [TS]

  interesting right that they can't you [TS]

  know all the old tricks aren't going to [TS]

  work anymore where they worked once but [TS]

  this is now we know who you are we we [TS]

  know going in what your skills are ya [TS]

  yeah and then Peter pulls oh and by the [TS]

  way she's pregnant lie and you know [TS]

  yeah just what a hand I was like they [TS]

  were that was the worst like reality TV [TS]

  kind of stuff and how ya doing those [TS]

  places even try that but but you know [TS]

  there are there are interesting things [TS]

  in here [TS]

  the strategy the stuff that happens [TS]

  there are there are killer monkeys [TS]

  oh yes i love that there are killer my [TS]

  love the glue and now we can talk about [TS]

  now I can talk about the tiny narrative [TS]

  conceited book to wear when they're [TS]

  watching him pitches games and he's [TS]

  hanging out with the other girl from [TS]

  district 12 amazingly Donner [TS]

  and the two of them help each other out [TS]

  and then after all it is a curse than [TS]

  the arrow this is not going to go well [TS]

  if it right on just the two of us and [TS]

  something like well see ya [TS]

  and she gets killed moments later by our [TS]

  legal hummingbird and I thought that [TS]

  that's kind of convenient for him it's [TS]

  because he doesn't have to be the one to [TS]

  kill her he doesn't have to make the [TS]

  hard choice again you know that that is [TS]

  the that is the funny part about being [TS]

  in the in the games is that you know you [TS]

  you love your allies but you you kind of [TS]

  want them to die so you don't have to [TS]

  kill them all right so my marking Chang [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  mockingjay I felt laying about halfway [TS]

  through takes a turn spent so [TS]

  spectacularly blutbad that is completely [TS]

  threatens to not only swamp the my view [TS]

  of the novel is the whole but the series [TS]

  and it doesn't because you know we can't [TS]

  really retro actively go back and make [TS]

  the other two books stink they are what [TS]

  they are and i did enjoy reading them [TS]

  but I thought Mockingjay was a complete [TS]

  disaster because she essentially can't [TS]

  put put them back in the hunger games [TS]

  again so she puts them in an [TS]

  amalgamation of sort of the hunger games [TS]

  on the streets of the capital in this [TS]

  kind of bizarre guerrilla warfare on the [TS]

  streets of the capital kind of thing and [TS]

  it you know and she resolves the love [TS]

  triangle / st. yeah because i was [TS]

  wondering about that the whole [TS]

  deprogramming of pita which is crazy [TS]

  real or not real I'm now here's what i [TS]

  like about that though is is Katniss [TS]

  ends the book as a profoundly damaged [TS]

  person is going to have PT we add the [TS]

  rest of her life and I think it was [TS]

  important for Suzanne Collins to to [TS]

  point out that you know when you've gone [TS]

  through the kind of experiences that [TS]

  someone like Katniss has gone through [TS]

  there is no bouncing back [TS]

  I mean she was already a pretty damaged [TS]

  person going into the first Hunger Games [TS]

  and by the time that she survived two [TS]

  games and a civil war on and seen and [TS]

  heard several people gruesome deaths and [TS]

  then lost her sister to President coins [TS]

  machinations you don't get to be happy [TS]

  well I mean yeah i could appreciate that [TS]

  we should be one of I think I can [TS]

  appreciate that that's where she wanted [TS]

  to leave it but boy that that that last [TS]

  section feel so i also hate the hand [TS]

  waving well I do hate the hand waving [TS]

  they did where they're like oh I'm gonna [TS]

  troll happened [TS]

  well yeah i think the treatment of the [TS]

  sister first off was like oh and it [TS]

  turns out her sister was there and she's [TS]

  yes [TS]

  yeah it's just you know it's so poorly [TS]

  handled and I think I you have so much [TS]

  invested in the story I i like it a [TS]

  little bit too how in alien 3 [TS]

  mhm uh so we have alien great movie [TS]

  aliens and then David Fincher's not [TS]

  really his best work alien 3 the opening [TS]

  of alien 3 is hey Ripley you're alive oh [TS]

  nude she died [TS]

  she's going it's like wait a second [TS]

  that's just like you've just given a big [TS]

  fu to the second movie and I like the [TS]

  second movie that's why i'm watching the [TS]

  third movie and I feel like that with [TS]

  killing the sister it's like you know [TS]

  the sister her her sacrificing her life [TS]

  and her or whether it's her literally [TS]

  her life for its that she's going to be [TS]

  messed up for the rest of her life for [TS]

  her sister is a nice part of the story [TS]

  and any and here it's like well yeah but [TS]

  i'm going to very quickly move pieces [TS]

  around so that the sister dies so that [TS]

  things are really messed up it's like [TS]

  you know well she's not allowed to have [TS]

  a happy ending she's not allowed to have [TS]

  any kind of hope [TS]

  yeah even if the happy ending is is is [TS]

  that somebody else has a has a lives on [TS]

  and Katniss doesn't or her you know her [TS]

  life is kinda wrecked it felt like I [TS]

  could have seen her sister be killed in [TS]

  some sort of way that made sense but but [TS]

  that's not that this isn't that it this [TS]

  was it felt like a real mess to me that [TS]

  she she needed to make these things [TS]

  happen and so she made that happen and [TS]

  they happen in this crucible of this [TS]

  kind of like bizarre civil war on the [TS]

  streets of the capital thing like oh [TS]

  we're rolling through all the districts [TS]

  that's not gonna be a problem of there's [TS]

  a little problem district to you can [TS]

  have to go there you know be on TV but [TS]

  but you know the plot my cancer kind of [TS]

  kind of visible and obvious because the [TS]

  whole point of district 2 is where [TS]

  Katniss realizes that the gal she [TS]

  thought she knew was not really the girl [TS]

  who came out more time and and this is [TS]

  coming home and then when you but I [TS]

  agree they that business in the capital [TS]

  is just ridiculous especially to get to [TS]

  the rotation but smell like roses and [TS]

  are programmed to respond the Katniss's [TS]

  need and this are so its orders we had [TS]

  ended the end in the end after she wakes [TS]

  up and there's the whole you know I [TS]

  appreciate the idea that the the rebels [TS]

  are all are not any better I think it's [TS]

  a very very well this is critical and [TS]

  and and awful thing to think it also [TS]

  protect you know that's her point is is [TS]

  the people who want to take over always [TS]

  going to want to be there always going [TS]

  to be the same people [TS]

  yeah I think President Snow made a great [TS]

  point about that was like president coin [TS]

  did it right she loved the district's [TS]

  care themselves apartment you just waltz [TS]

  on in and if you decide [TS]

  yeah and so I don't mind that Katniss [TS]

  does her little trick and although it [TS]

  still seems bizarre like you okay [TS]

  she shoots the other one and now you [TS]

  know it but it just eventually goes [TS]

  bonkers and they have a trial off-screen [TS]

  others an epilogue him [TS]

  yep what did you guys think about the [TS]

  whole what did you guys think about the [TS]

  catalyst of the story being the decision [TS]

  to throw a hunger games using capital [TS]

  children it's a little frustrating when [TS]

  you've come so far and then only to see [TS]

  ya this district 13 is basically a whole [TS]

  new cap right if they're the same that [TS]

  they're the same bastards wearing new [TS]

  faces but that that I mean that's the [TS]

  message right and again we're back to [TS]

  the front from the the anti kind of [TS]

  totalitarian and-and-and-and-and [TS]

  government's out-of-control kind of [TS]

  thing I I totally see that but the way [TS]

  that it [TS]

  that it [TS]

  done is the problem I think is that is [TS]

  that it's it loses i I've I my concern [TS]

  is that Susan Collins really only has [TS]

  one story to tell here and shoveled it [TS]

  twice already and so the third time [TS]

  she's kind of run out and so she's kind [TS]

  of pulling some strings to get things to [TS]

  to get where that she wants them to go [TS]

  and it just you know I was really [TS]

  unhappy with the whole thing I thought I [TS]

  thought it was not not because it didn't [TS]

  have a wonderful happy ending because I [TS]

  that so I'm okay with the dark endings [TS]

  but that it just seemed kind of out of [TS]

  the blue and badly executed and I yeah [TS]

  just like she had she was obligated to [TS]

  turn in the third book so this is what [TS]

  we got [TS]

  so ran it in any other thoughts that you [TS]

  have about a mockingjay now that I don't [TS]

  know I've yelled about it for 20 of you [TS]

  know see I've only read mockingjay want [TS]

  the once on the tail end of my you know [TS]

  three-day Hunger Games extravaganza and [TS]

  there's still people we read books will [TS]

  tell him I crazy people but a I don't [TS]

  know it it's blurry to me but I think [TS]

  that's also the way the book was written [TS]

  for it just it it and catching fire to a [TS]

  certain extent are both very hectic [TS]

  books and when you're traveling through [TS]

  Katniss's eyes especially the thing that [TS]

  I really like about book 3 is how [TS]

  reluctant Katniss's to be a symbol of [TS]

  anything it's like we were talking about [TS]

  earlier in the in the podcast about [TS]

  Katniss isn't focused on love stories or [TS]

  you know overarching plots she's just [TS]

  focused on the next thing at hand [TS]

  she's focused on saving her sister she's [TS]

  focused on getting through the night [TS]

  she's focused on avoiding being killed [TS]

  you know or finding food or you know [TS]

  oh god I have to talk to people on live [TS]

  television there's never there's never [TS]

  any big picture to her and people [TS]

  wanting her to be a symbol of this war [TS]

  effort and this cause she I feel like [TS]

  she seems to shy away from from the [TS]

  start you know where she's just doing [TS]

  these things and she doesn't really she [TS]

  doesn't really have a sense for her [TS]

  overarching actions like she's doing [TS]

  stuff too [TS]

  save herself and to save pita and to [TS]

  save her sister say the people that she [TS]

  cares about but she I don't think she [TS]

  ever really goes into it intentionally [TS]

  thinking oh this will be a good symbol [TS]

  to the people and browse them up into [TS]

  rebellion and so when district 13 is [TS]

  like yep you're going to be the [TS]

  Mockingjay you're going to be our great [TS]

  wonderful symbol [TS]

  she's very unenthused about it and even [TS]

  when they you know she gives them all [TS]

  these demands that they agree to she's [TS]

  still very uncomfortable and she's [TS]

  uncomfortable throughout the entire book [TS]

  III like that I i think that's one of [TS]

  the good things about her progression as [TS]

  a character is colleagues about how does [TS]

  somebody become a revolutionary icon [TS]

  how does somebody become a symbol of [TS]

  revolution somebody that people rally [TS]

  behind and you can you can plan to be at [TS]

  all you like it will never be it or you [TS]

  can be in the right place wrong place i [TS]

  guess that there at the right time or [TS]

  wrong time and and you just become that [TS]

  and and that's Katniss's story and she [TS]

  doesn't she has to realize the power [TS]

  that she's accumulating just by her [TS]

  actions and she first finds out because [TS]

  the people in power are quite upset and [TS]

  threatened by her [TS]

  how could that be she's just this poor [TS]

  girl from the country who you know was [TS]

  fortunate enough to win this thing and [TS]

  over time you know she realizes that [TS]

  she's got some some some power and in [TS]

  that third book the seams in district 13 [TS]

  you know they make that clear that you [TS]

  know you are at you are a symbol and she [TS]

  has to try to come to terms with that I [TS]

  thought that was all really interesting [TS]

  just just from the sense of of [TS]

  revolutions having symbols and what if [TS]

  you're that person and you may not have [TS]

  done it for any of those reasons but you [TS]

  know you know what being that symbol and [TS]

  the choices well do you represent it or [TS]

  do you run away from it and she has kind [TS]

  of a she has a little bit of both in [TS]

  this book was really nice and there's [TS]

  also the contrast between she who really [TS]

  has no desire to be a national symbol [TS]

  and Gayle who really i mean gales the [TS]

  person who really should be the [TS]

  Mockingjay and should be the symbol of [TS]

  revolutionary warfare and he ends up [TS]

  more or less being so I towards the end [TS]

  of the book [TS]

  thanks to like bomb raids and certain [TS]

  things but it's interesting to contrast [TS]

  the two of them i mean even their arcs [TS]

  from the start of the books where [TS]

  they're hunting partners but from the [TS]

  beginning we've had very different [TS]

  philosophies and as the books progress [TS]

  and very much so in Mockingjay sort of [TS]

  see those come to a head for Gayle who [TS]

  is always kind of been a revolutionary [TS]

  really gets his chance to step into the [TS]

  spotlight and Katniss takes the [TS]

  revolutionary banner set somewhat [TS]

  unwillingly and really comes out the [TS]

  worst for it you know right yeah I on [TS]

  mockingjay I have problems [TS]

  mockingjay well and maybe if somebody [TS]

  read these books when they were when [TS]

  they were released and had a long wait [TS]

  between them they would view it [TS]

  differently than then somebody like me [TS]

  and I guess like you who who tore [TS]

  through the read them all in order yeah [TS]

  basically but when you run when you read [TS]

  them in order you can see the decline i [TS]

  think in quality very starkly as you go [TS]

  home with the second one is better in [TS]

  some certain ways but disappointing that [TS]

  it doesn't really try to be more and [TS]

  then the third one feels like she's kind [TS]

  of like got her part in the weird [TS]

  district 13 which is kind of interesting [TS]

  and sterile and those people are kind of [TS]

  messed up in their own way because [TS]

  they've been in isolation so long and [TS]

  then they go to there's the military [TS]

  stuff in the the march on the capital [TS]

  and it just kind of koreans out of [TS]

  control in my mind that she's just like [TS]

  slapping things in there and open that [TS]

  it all makes sense which it doesn't [TS]

  yeah the difference between the hunger [TS]

  games the first book and the latter two [TS]

  is that the first book is a standalone [TS]

  story and a very powerful standalone [TS]

  story we get introduced to characters we [TS]

  get the tension we get the conflict we [TS]

  get the resolution more or less but both [TS]

  catching fire and mockingjay are clearly [TS]

  books in an installment they make no [TS]

  pretenses of oh we're going to [TS]

  reintroduce you to people or you know [TS]

  that you know and the reason why Empire [TS]

  is such a good film is that it stands on [TS]

  its own [TS]

  even though it is the second [TS]

  in a trilogy whereas catching fire i [TS]

  would never read catching fire unless it [TS]

  was part of a reread of the entire [TS]

  trilogy because it just doesn't make [TS]

  sense and that's I think a large part of [TS]

  the of the writing decline as it goes [TS]

  I don't have a link here but there was a [TS]

  great blog post where somebody said hey [TS]

  so the Hunger Games has been a success [TS]

  that's great uh there [TS]

  what are they gonna do about the third [TS]

  book me that was that was literally the [TS]

  blog post was alright and i can see how [TS]

  they're going to make the second movie [TS]

  based on the second book and we can see [TS]

  how that will work and then you get to [TS]

  the third book it's like it was nice to [TS]

  read it because I having read and I [TS]

  thought it might be only one who thinks [TS]

  this blogger was saying their books [TS]

  complete mess [TS]

  how do they deal with it and a mic my [TS]

  question is going to be how much input [TS]

  suzanne collins in an approval she has [TS]

  she co-wrote the screenplay for this CNT [TS]

  i think so [TS]

  so that doesn't fill me with hope but [TS]

  you know who knows maybe in simplifying [TS]

  it into a movie like story it will make [TS]

  you know it will be less messy because [TS]

  just as they did with the first 1i think [TS]

  they made improvements as they went so [TS]

  maybe maybe so but it's interesting to [TS]

  think about it big wow thats they got [TS]

  some work you know cut out for them when [TS]

  they get to the third book [TS]

  oh yeah it can't be as messy as matrix [TS]

  revolutions we'll just yeah okay you've [TS]

  always got hired at a time [TS]

  you always got that third at third movie [TS]

  that it will never be as big a problem [TS]

  as The Matrix Revolutions at least we [TS]

  can help [TS]

  alright so we have now beaten a hunger [TS]

  games books to death in film as well we [TS]

  like the first you know we like the [TS]

  first move movie and book and the second [TS]

  one has a lot of potential for a movie [TS]

  and then the third book will everyone [TS]

  will be interesting i hope they get a [TS]

  good director and a good screenwriter [TS]

  interesting problem for them to solve [TS]

  and they'll have lots of money to use to [TS]

  strive solving yes though I pray they [TS]

  won't try and fit into such a tight [TS]

  release date they're trying to get [TS]

  catching fire out for next november i [TS]

  believe so November 2013 which is crazy [TS]

  and they're trying to fit in shooting [TS]

  before Jennifer [TS]

  Lawrence runs off for x-men in the fall [TS]

  this fall [TS]

  what a boost so yeah let's let's hope [TS]

  they manage to do this and not [TS]

  compromise on story but financially [TS]

  motivated that's for sure [TS]

  so that's true we'll see alright well i [TS]

  would like to thank my guests for [TS]

  joining me today red thank you so much [TS]

  thank you Jason and maybe odds be ever [TS]

  in your favor [TS]

  thank you Lisa thank you for being here [TS]

  thanks Lisa [TS]

  alright what they talkin to sort of the [TS]

  season two so until our next edition of [TS]

  the comfortable thanks for joining us [TS]

  I'm Jason still see you next time [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  actually speaking of running out my [TS]

  daughter is kind of having a nutty [TS]

  downstairs so I'm gonna have to go play [TS]

  mom now that I had so much fun talking [TS]

  about this with you guys [TS]

  Lisa thank you for being here alright [TS]

  enjoy bye [TS]

  alright so I guess I'm the only survivor [TS]

  i win the Hunger Games uh yeah something [TS]

  like that except you're still here right [TS]

  we do we make a deal are we from the [TS]

  same district we get to do we you know [TS]

  you hear some poison berries you can ok [TS]

  you know well we'll end this podcast [TS]

  together [TS]