The Incomparable

95: Don`t Take the Cinnamon Challenge


  the in comfortable podcast number 95 to [TS]

  wear it well [TS]

  welcome back to being comfortable [TS]

  podcast on your post Jason Snell and we [TS]

  have a very special podcast for you [TS]

  tonight I'm joined over the magic of [TS]

  skype by Monty Ashley who is the [TS]

  recapture for Game of Thrones on [TS]

  television without pity and our very [TS]

  special guest because we're going to be [TS]

  talking about season 2 of Game of [TS]

  Thrones haimanti hello thanks for being [TS]

  here [TS]

  no problem and in the same room as me [TS]

  for a very very rare special occasion we [TS]

  have three other in comfortable guest [TS]

  this is contravening the constitution of [TS]

  the uncomfortable which not does not [TS]

  allow more than two of us to be in the [TS]

  same place at the same time of the whole [TS]

  podcast dies [TS]

  Scott McNulty is a table secure remote [TS]

  he is with the Secretary of Agriculture [TS]

  right now yeah so join me to my left [TS]

  although you can't see him because radio [TS]

  we're not here to my radio left is dave [TS]

  morin hi dan I Jason nice to see you and [TS]

  put it is nice to see you know we're [TS]

  looking to do not like I'm trying but I [TS]

  don't want to look at the mic and talk [TS]

  to me look at you sideways [TS]

  I used to sit doing these podcasts [TS]

  sitting on my bed with the door closed [TS]

  with a USB put a microphone in my lap [TS]

  I'm and I'm and I'm not wearing done in [TS]

  the world i made wearing pants right now [TS]

  so it's a big it's a big change serenity [TS]

  Caldwell is leaning into a microphone is [TS]

  which she went as if she was going to [TS]

  speak which is funny because I can see [TS]

  her cause she's in the room with me how [TS]

  I know hi I'm very glad that everybody [TS]

  in this room is in fact wearing pants [TS]

  yes this is a good thing so far so far I [TS]

  mean you never know you never know [TS]

  and across from me is John siracusa who [TS]

  is in whose west of the Mississippi for [TS]

  one of his rare excursions to the left [TS]

  coast hi John that is that is John [TS]

  syracuse over there or not sure if he's [TS]

  real or the hologram he claims to be [TS]

  epic Jason will do it live doing live [TS]

  we're doing it live except not streaming [TS]

  a live not live [TS]

  yeah ah sigh live fish I should've [TS]

  brought my macbook air it would have [TS]

  worked with this but well so Monty sorry [TS]

  you couldn't be here [TS]

  that's alright but it's nice that we [TS]

  that we have you on because you've eaten [TS]

  recap [TS]

  the show for television without pity [TS]

  doesn't that mean that you have to watch [TS]

  it every episode like several times i [TS]

  watch them about two-and-a-half times [TS]

  each the halftime just going through [TS]

  making sure that i actually have [TS]

  someone's particular wording correct [TS]

  because i have a lot of quotes that I [TS]

  put in does that does not diminish your [TS]

  enthusiasm for the series by the way to [TS]

  happen to have to do it or not yet it's [TS]

  not a very long season luckily at this [TS]

  if you recap show with that's 22 [TS]

  episodes you get really sick of it but [TS]

  so far it's only two or two-and-a-half [TS]

  months so a new episode comes up there [TS]

  looking forward to it and about the time [TS]

  i'm starting to think oh god then the [TS]

  season's over [TS]

  that's good that's good so when we last [TS]

  left the game of thrones there were some [TS]

  dragons Darby dragons nice a baby [TS]

  dragons hatched [TS]

  so you Ned Stark was dead [TS]

  having better take a shot dead baby [TS]

  more like I'm dead stark go home [TS]

  hey yeah that's why I'm here that's what [TS]

  a pain wow so that's what it looks like [TS]

  when you make terrible terrible jokes i [TS]

  did the napping yeah well I room by [TS]

  myself I got to see his looking to leave [TS]

  when he did that that's very exciting [TS]

  let's see what else there are many kings [TS]

  many Thrones maybe so i throw my name [TS]

  then throwing many it's like it's really [TS]

  like musical chairs the game of thrones [TS]

  or a cakewalk one of those two carnival [TS]

  game really festival game music stops [TS]

  and then somebody dies [TS]

  ok you don't have the game Jason yeah [TS]

  paper is right it's true especially [TS]

  necessary especially Joffrey so that it [TS]

  so this is obviously this season was [TS]

  based on the second book in the series [TS]

  this is the the point at which this this [TS]

  one book per season will begin to break [TS]

  down because the third season is [TS]

  probably not going to be the third book [TS]

  but part of the third book is third book [TS]

  is gigantic butt so in this season we [TS]

  have let's see what we have so so Tyrion [TS]

  comes to force the hand of the King in [TS]

  King's Landing which I is in my mind is [TS]

  one of my favorite things about [TS]

  the season and about the book to is that [TS]

  we get to see a lot of Tyrion and he [TS]

  gets to do smart things and and so that [TS]

  that's happening here we have Jon Snow [TS]

  beyond the wall and an heiress kind of [TS]

  having a little sojourn in the city of [TS]

  cars those are two stories that felt [TS]

  like they could have been told in like a [TS]

  single episode except that they [TS]

  stretched it out / / 10 episodes well [TS]

  because then otherwise you have like you [TS]

  know oh so episode 7 is about you but [TS]

  that's the only evidence we see and use [TS]

  you know it reminded me of you watch the [TS]

  first season of battlestar galactica [TS]

  every every episode had like a [TS]

  minute-and-a-half with helo [TS]

  oh yeah and the Skylon girlfriend on the [TS]

  planet and that was the worst plot line [TS]

  and it was the worst and at the end of [TS]

  the season my wife turned to me and she [TS]

  said [TS]

  couldn't you just edit that whole thing [TS]

  together into like one episode it's like [TS]

  meanwhile helo when around with his [TS]

  girlfriend that reminded me about a [TS]

  little bit where it's that stall ball [TS]

  kind of thing like that we don't have [TS]

  anything for them to do but really but [TS]

  we need to show them so you don't forget [TS]

  who they are and bother me though like [TS]

  it i guess they could have compressed it [TS]

  onto one but it weren't you [TS]

  I liked it when they cut back to them [TS]

  and say what's the nearest up to and [TS]

  then you'd see her do something and be [TS]

  like oh that's nice [TS]

  and then you go back like it's a palate [TS]

  cleanser I think that structure worked [TS]

  for for the show I didn't want myself [TS]

  like they're going back to them again [TS]

  Michael I wasn't sad about it is just [TS]

  one of the structural problems of the of [TS]

  the of the book is that there they don't [TS]

  have a lot to do over the course of the [TS]

  story it's nice to see them again but [TS]

  when you think back to sort of like what [TS]

  Denarius do [TS]

  yeah she found the town and met the guy [TS]

  hand and her diagonal rubble and [TS]

  resolved that they could have given her [TS]

  more to do in the books Jaime Lannister [TS]

  doesn't do anything for the entire [TS]

  second well that's true that you back [TS]

  today mr. nitin indicate you spend a lot [TS]

  of time with metal around it had yeah [TS]

  you got to kill a guy in this one you [TS]

  know and and be grumpy and say things [TS]

  that were mildly threatening which him [TS]

  because he's basically not in the second [TS]

  book so so but yeah I you know I always [TS]

  like Jon Snow he's always been one of my [TS]

  favorites and it's a and it was a little [TS]

  disappointing to not not see more of him [TS]

  but that's just how about how the book [TS]

  went although i love the setting that I [TS]

  guess they shot all of the John's [TS]

  no not only does it feel like it's a [TS]

  different show which kinda is a [TS]

  different show because they shoot [TS]

  different parts in different parts of [TS]

  the world so rightly so about that [TS]

  background with like you know the [TS]

  mountains and everything is I mean it [TS]

  looks great [TS]

  it's Iceland they went to Iceland to [TS]

  shoot the north of the wall stuff and it [TS]

  looks fantastic i mean really does not [TS]

  feel they're CGI in there too but it is [TS]

  not the alleged suddenly like me to make [TS]

  a cgi plan at their own they're like [TS]

  actually called I think they I think [TS]

  they are and they're freezing and [TS]

  miserable you could method and trask [TS]

  this to something like off where it [TS]

  actually looks like where you are as [TS]

  opposed to you know off with Norway [TS]

  what's the matter [TS]

  yeah it's terrible i'm not saying it is [TS]

  hot 30 is very important I mean then it [TS]

  would be a completely different shot no [TS]

  one like Captain Kirk is is jettisoned [TS]

  lands on the ice planet in star trek [TS]

  he's it's not even a soundstage he's in [TS]

  the parking lot of dodger stadium [TS]

  because I've seen that the in a [TS]

  behind-the-scenes clips it's like fake [TS]

  snow blown on the parking lot of Dodger [TS]

  Stadium and whereas the ice and they do [TS]

  a good job but it's not you know that [TS]

  Iceland landscape is a real landscape [TS]

  that they're walking over there on a [TS]

  frozen lake and and I was like the north [TS]

  of the wall stuff there's way more of [TS]

  that you know obviously spoiler but you [TS]

  know in future there's more of that in [TS]

  the future the story continues which is [TS]

  great because it looks so great we just [TS]

  didn't get a whole lot of it this time [TS]

  i'm wondering i guess you should [TS]

  restructure this by the different little [TS]

  story chunks because this is one of the [TS]

  funny things about Game of Thrones is [TS]

  that is that we're really looking at a [TS]

  lot of parallel stories and occasionally [TS]

  they cross over but it's really the this [TS]

  series of parallel stories then there's [TS]

  a lot less crossover I mean I think we [TS]

  started out right in the first season [TS]

  with all these characters and there are [TS]

  sort of a couple knots of characters and [TS]

  then over the course of the first season [TS]

  and and furthermore in the second season [TS]

  they start to all move in separate [TS]

  directions so we end up with all these [TS]

  different independent storylines and [TS]

  there are not as many intersections in [TS]

  season two I feel like a lot of the [TS]

  characters are left to sort of go on [TS]

  their own devices we do get a few [TS]

  including a couple I think invented for [TS]

  the TV show ones the I think the scenes [TS]

  with a area and Syrian military unit i [TS]

  win right [TS]

  oh yeah those are on the other hand have [TS]

  ignited [TS]

  but I don't believe any of that is [TS]

  really she she acts as a cover for [TS]

  someone that I did not think it was time [TS]

  when no one else is a copper for mommy's [TS]

  got the fax she spends a lot just [TS]

  finished the book as well as just having [TS]

  flu season she spends a lot of time just [TS]

  being a prisoner and Harrenhal and then [TS]

  when Tywin leave she comes a cupbearer [TS]

  for whatever random guys left in charge [TS]

  of Harrenhal and then she gets to start [TS]

  killing people off [TS]

  I thought that was nice though the [TS]

  tender meats Tywin what the Ascension of [TS]

  the second season is that these [TS]

  characters who were more or less [TS]

  together in the first season have now [TS]

  been spread to the four winds and you [TS]

  want as a viewer to floor it to for them [TS]

  to get back together you want to see the [TS]

  mother reunited with child you want to [TS]

  see are you get back two of them you [TS]

  want to see them to find out about each [TS]

  other especially since all these lies [TS]

  about what's going on are flying between [TS]

  them and then they don't have iphones [TS]

  and they just got the friggin birds they [TS]

  killed all the birds and like that [TS]

  that's a good reminded me of the [TS]

  attention of what's your name that the [TS]

  girl who went missing in walking dead [TS]

  alright I think that was the whole [TS]

  second season of walking dead is a [TS]

  Stephanie your general whatever that [TS]

  girl goes missing and that underlies the [TS]

  entire season so this was all like those [TS]

  people who you like bad things happen to [TS]

  them in season one and season two [TS]

  they're all spread out and you want them [TS]

  to like you want them to get together [TS]

  and even where Sophia where Sophia we [TS]

  want you want more bad things to happen [TS]

  to the people that you don't like I said [TS]

  well right now but that's like it's I [TS]

  thought that was nice i thought it added [TS]

  it added an extra element of tension two [TS]

  scenes that would otherwise be like you [TS]

  know because it's just always in the [TS]

  back of your mind that one night you [TS]

  know as I think I mentioned in the first [TS]

  in about when we talk about games of [TS]

  Thrones last year that still remains my [TS]

  favorite line from the first season is [TS]

  in the first episode Ned Stark saying to [TS]

  John Snow oh I'll tell you about your [TS]

  mother next time i see you and having [TS]

  read the book and I point just laughing [TS]

  hilariously looking at it yes I'll [TS]

  resolve all mysteries in the next time [TS]

  we talk [TS]

  yeah we'll just watch it together for [TS]

  you know for a coffee [TS]

  yeah like 10 episodes will be good in [TS]

  the 11th episode yeah there is no maybe [TS]

  comes back as a white Walker and like me [TS]

  looks headless yeah you're so sure I [TS]

  mean kinky coffee but he doesn't have [TS]

  ears and he'll never hear the story it's [TS]

  so touching the worst tries to speak but [TS]

  there's no head so we can't say anything [TS]

  is awkward [TS]

  india so generates so the Jon Snow story [TS]

  is a lifetime movie they basically they [TS]

  basically saddle up and go beyond the [TS]

  wall to find mance rayder right we lose [TS]

  the like masking an army who are they [TS]

  looking for they're looking really [TS]

  looking invention the the start no they [TS]

  don't they go out to look for you know [TS]

  the wild things right to basically [TS]

  figure out what's going on that you [TS]

  don't be on the wall that wasn't made [TS]

  clear to me as a viewer who hasn't read [TS]

  the books what it is they were like this [TS]

  stuff going on north of all this the [TS]

  wildlings but then why did they feel we [TS]

  have set out from our little [TS]

  fortification and now we need to go out [TS]

  into the cold area well I don't think [TS]

  they sort of get that Mance Rayder is it [TS]

  start building an army [TS]

  yeah they know two things manage all the [TS]

  wildlings have gone north to wherever [TS]

  match Raiders cave is actually he's in a [TS]

  cave and also there's those two guys [TS]

  that came back from the dead [TS]

  sure the whites and answer but this this [TS]

  makes them decide this small band that's [TS]

  charged with guarding the wall everyone [TS]

  mount up [TS]

  let's go into the wild to do what [TS]

  exactly you know to to scout scout that [TS]

  is gonna check it out to see what Mance [TS]

  Rayder is doing with his army take care [TS]

  of what needs doing it you know the last [TS]

  several scouting parties didn't come [TS]

  back including bench and start right so [TS]

  naturally you just gotta write the Great [TS]

  Britain people and you know maybe the [TS]

  the most important people in the Nights [TS]

  Watch to scout because none of the other [TS]

  press scouting parties come back what [TS]

  could possibly go wrong on that so then [TS]

  they go to date they go to Craster's for [TS]

  a little while [TS]

  yeah where he's got he's got which is [TS]

  which is unrelenting from the novel [TS]

  which although he was not quite as i [TS]

  pictured him but it was I mean the [TS]

  setting is is well and the concept which [TS]

  is that he has he has sex with his his [TS]

  daughters and then they kill all the [TS]

  baby boys and keep the girl with a [TS]

  camera on it they giving it to Eddie [TS]

  give you a white Walker yet which I'd [TS]

  already blessed in the show they don't [TS]

  actually show it happening in the moment [TS]

  it's it's sort of alluded to I feel like [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  but it was it was effects that guy well [TS]

  we know they've given us a lot more [TS]

  glimpses we started out right and the [TS]

  first book opens and the first series [TS]

  opens with manual and and an encounter [TS]

  right Walker but I feel like by the end [TS]

  of season do especially by the very last [TS]

  shot we have seen a lot more of them [TS]

  than we ever really see in the book like [TS]

  clear like from a clear perspective and [TS]

  so you know i i've sort of mixed [TS]

  feelings about that because on the one [TS]

  hand it look kind of cool about the [TS]

  zombies are cool that the whites but at [TS]

  the same time everyday it [TS]

  it reduces some of the mysteriousness [TS]

  around them and especially when you have [TS]

  to apply like special effects it's one [TS]

  of the few elements of the show [TS]

  basically that in the dragons that are [TS]

  really into a certain extent Melisandre [TS]

  yes the other one [TS]

  those are kind of the magic the magic [TS]

  element which is sort of few and far [TS]

  between in the first season and in the [TS]

  second season becomes much more [TS]

  prevalent up [TS]

  that's an original engine that I was [TS]

  also the guy that Daenerys talks to the [TS]

  Warlock separate like this [TS]

  he's like me she asked guy but like this [TS]

  this idea like that i like the fact that [TS]

  they open the show because i knew [TS]

  nothing about Game of Thrones and so the [TS]

  opening scene is the white Walker [TS]

  something like this it can be sure about [TS]

  these magic monsters and then nothing [TS]

  for a long time but then at the end of [TS]

  season one dragon so now the whole I [TS]

  don't know how game of thrones goes in [TS]

  the book but I think of the thing as a [TS]

  bunch of annoying human squabbling with [TS]

  each other all the while supernatural [TS]

  forces are massing on all sides and they [TS]

  don't realize it and they don't know [TS]

  what's coming [TS]

  that is true it is the theme of the [TS]

  books right is that is that humans are [TS]

  fighting each other and killing each [TS]

  other and meanwhile something really bad [TS]

  is going on from everywhere and other [TS]

  than the Nights Watch yeah nobody's [TS]

  paying attention and damaris anyone near [TS]

  Daenerys she's got dragons these guys [TS]

  are zombies and this is crazy witch lady [TS]

  and you know what's really funny is to [TS]

  put in parallel there i don't know if [TS]

  any of you have played there is a game [TS]

  of thrones board game which is sort of a [TS]

  tactical board game but what I love [TS]

  about it is you're basically all playing [TS]

  the houses and you're sort of squabbling [TS]

  and meanwhile there's sort of a counter [TS]

  that goes on waiting until the others [TS]

  come and a certain point you all have to [TS]

  sort of band together and secretly you [TS]

  sort of bid how many like armies you're [TS]

  going to commit [TS]

  and if you all like if you turn it over [TS]

  and it turns out you're bitten off your [TS]

  fine and then but everybody tries to [TS]

  jockey with each other like I'm not [TS]

  going to commit that many forces because [TS]

  I don't want to leave myself undefended [TS]

  and so one time I was playing with my [TS]

  friends and we all bit like one and when [TS]

  the walkers just come down and like wipe [TS]

  you a question is like well I guess we [TS]

  learned a lesson there [TS]

  sadly the people in this book not gonna [TS]

  learn that was yeah no spoilers [TS]

  narratives man [TS]

  no and I'm not giving any somebody's no [TS]

  no baby you could sort of you can sort [TS]

  of put it together when ya based on how [TS]

  these guys act that's really the name of [TS]

  the of the of the story is that man [TS]

  squabble 'he's and doesn't recognize [TS]

  this existential threat that is [TS]

  happening and and the i think in the is [TS]

  it the first season where they send the [TS]

  guys to King's Landing to recruit more [TS]

  members little urine and write going [TS]

  ends up taking re away with him and then [TS]

  he meets with a an unfortunate end but [TS]

  that's how she gets out of King's [TS]

  Landing that whole thing is like they're [TS]

  trying to drum up support for the the [TS]

  because the Nights Watch we see them and [TS]

  they've got their little castle and all [TS]

  that but this story is that they don't [TS]

  they don't have any resources they used [TS]

  to have feel like all these camels along [TS]

  the border and only let's see only three [TS]

  of them have people and it's been a [TS]

  thousand years or whatever it's gonna do [TS]

  that you know we don't need these guys [TS]

  enjoy [TS]

  I'm plus that there Pete there they're [TS]

  recruiting system sucks because it's [TS]

  like a wall you'll never be able to [TS]

  marry and again tonight and get a [TS]

  criminal [TS]

  ok anybody basically like Australia exit [TS]

  colder it's like the priesthood you [TS]

  can't you can't you can't really say you [TS]

  can't say no you deny them the right to [TS]

  marry that that's that's a real real [TS]

  part hurts their recruiting efforts i'm [TS]

  really surprised that the Nights Watch [TS]

  functions as a you know an actual [TS]

  organization and all of the ax murderers [TS]

  and criminals don't try and staged a [TS]

  coup [TS]

  you know I mean they don't work together [TS]

  that that ya know is that you know they [TS]

  they're basically given the option you [TS]

  want to die or you 52 you want to [TS]

  continue living basically like life [TS]

  sentence but like you know essentially [TS]

  not be a prisoner and you know that [TS]

  people want to live I think the violent [TS]

  environment would make them so they [TS]

  don't get hard it's hard for them to run [TS]

  for example and they don't have a lot of [TS]

  other options and there are enough [TS]

  people in there who are either [TS]

  therefore other white-collar reasons so [TS]

  to speak [TS]

  my dad didn't love me that's why he [TS]

  essentially or for voluntary reason I [TS]

  mean I try to remember if it's is it i [TS]

  don't remember enough of the books [TS]

  because it's been awhile since i've read [TS]

  them i don't remember if Mormon if they [TS]

  ever give the reason that he ends up [TS]

  there other than does he go voluntarily [TS]

  the the old bear the commander [TS]

  yeah i don't know i don't think I mean [TS]

  he's obviously not a criminal and you [TS]

  know i believe i lost a bet it ya know I [TS]

  think it has something to do with his [TS]

  with you with his son right right moment [TS]

  yeah oh yeah not not giving away [TS]

  spoilers but there was something that's [TS]

  not a spoiler there are two different [TS]

  languages there are two more yes yes we [TS]

  don't know i mean we know they're really [TS]

  because there isn't related and we know [TS]

  that you are always exiled you just [TS]

  don't know why yet but anyway the night [TS]

  watches you know they're the last guards [TS]

  of humanity and their their their [TS]

  underfunded their crappy it's a little [TS]

  but it's not it's not a lot of pot holes [TS]

  in the wall and so don't have the money [TS]

  to fix ya and plot holes but it's an [TS]

  infrastructure problem so John goes and [TS]

  ends up it actually what i would say is [TS]

  one of the weakest things in the second [TS]

  season is that they find the wildling [TS]

  girl I egret and um and the other Nights [TS]

  Watch guys basically Jon Snow you get [TS]

  there we're gonna leave you take care of [TS]

  her and kill her [TS]

  we're gonna we're gonna go over here [TS]

  thought they did a better job of [TS]

  explaining in you know in terms of in [TS]

  the TV show like they're basically just [TS]

  gonna kill her right and he doesn't want [TS]

  to kill her [TS]

  yeah he's like well no I'll do it you [TS]

  know kind of realized why did they go so [TS]

  far away why don't you just go around [TS]

  the corner like it did you kill my [TS]

  apartment yet come out like they just [TS]

  like no actually believed you for a day [TS]

  I'm gonna go take I need to get them [TS]

  separated somehow it's all right i think [TS]

  the other that I think coroner the other [TS]

  Rangers don't like job snow right he was [TS]

  attached to their little delegation and [TS]

  they're thinking you kill her [TS]

  they just tiptoe away hope united [TS]

  watching him they're ditching we're [TS]

  gonna go get some fast food i think it [TS]

  was realistic they would say you kill [TS]

  her as kind of like a test of like show [TS]

  that you're up for you know we've been a [TS]

  lot of wildlings we kill them and your [TS]

  new guy so show us that you understand [TS]

  the room when we meet these guys we kill [TS]

  them and so you know it's like a test to [TS]

  see if you've got an especially if you [TS]

  use the hot redhead is production but he [TS]

  fails the test you know but that that [TS]

  was a test you failed so we get you get [TS]

  the next that then they get captured by [TS]

  the Wildings right yeah she leads him [TS]

  into a trap [TS]

  the worst thing you could wrap not only [TS]

  can I kill her he can't keep a prisoner [TS]

  he doesn't like his the worst he's also [TS]

  not good with women because she's so [TS]

  pretty great with the night and chewing [TS]

  apparently he's a good at fighting but [TS]

  he's incompetent many other ways and [TS]

  probably deserves to be in like you know [TS]

  nothing Jon series gonna carry him or [TS]

  I'll bring you by a string but this will [TS]

  be attached to you and I we like sex [TS]

  cuddle he was raised settle in [TS]

  Winterfell he's not really a ranger come [TS]

  on everyone in this world lousy at [TS]

  keeping prisoners right of the season [TS]

  escape with bran and Rickon were about [TS]

  to escape are you had already escaped [TS]

  they love taking prisoners they can't [TS]

  hold them [TS]

  yeah that would slow down the plot even [TS]

  more the i really i really like although [TS]

  he doesn't get much time in the TV show [TS]

  I like corn half handle a lot million [TS]

  part of that is just mainly the [TS]

  characterization from the books he's [TS]

  basically like you know the [TS]

  tough-as-nails doesn't really like this [TS]

  guy but kind of also is smart enough to [TS]

  know what's going on and how you know [TS]

  essentially sacrifices himself for what [TS]

  is the only real option so in the TV [TS]

  show it is much more it's much less [TS]

  obvious than in the books that the way [TS]

  they do it is that is that have hand in [TS]

  the eighth episode tells John basically [TS]

  when the time comes you're gonna have to [TS]

  do what you need to do and then there's [TS]

  the ninth episode where they don't [TS]

  appear and then in the 10th episode he [TS]

  picks a fight with them and and jon is [TS]

  forced to kill him [TS]

  which is interesting is in the books as [TS]

  i recall Monty you just read it you can [TS]

  remind me of this that and I recall it's [TS]

  much more like they get in a position [TS]

  where they realize that they're going to [TS]

  be in trouble and [TS]

  half and basically tells him okay you [TS]

  need to kill me now because the only way [TS]

  either of us is getting out of there is [TS]

  if you do that and can prove your [TS]

  loyalty to them and and it's spelled out [TS]

  very clearly and I'm not sure whether [TS]

  it's better or worse that it's done this [TS]

  way it's more ambiguous I think it's a [TS]

  little more unclear for for the viewer [TS]

  but uh but I mean like it's lesson is [TS]

  also less of that kind of like stage [TS]

  whispering headed right now am i killing [TS]

  me and I thought it was heavy-handed in [TS]

  the show I thought I thought I thought [TS]

  isn't it [TS]

  I thought it was so heavy hands like you [TS]

  know we're all in a business like you [TS]

  know having one of us the inside would [TS]

  be great if you can do what must be done [TS]

  like that do you have to spell it out [TS]

  four majors i rolled my eyes but then [TS]

  with them when they were fighting and [TS]

  they were killing mark was like what's [TS]

  going on him i did you see that other [TS]

  episode where he's like a few can do I [TS]

  thought it was so heavy-handed that's [TS]

  like and I thought it would be it was [TS]

  like a human element where jon snow [TS]

  doesn't go what do you mean what do you [TS]

  mean do what must be done like a you an [TS]

  idiot he just said it would be great to [TS]

  have one of us on the inside and then he [TS]

  and right after that he yells at him and [TS]

  says you know right now what would have [TS]

  been much better but if you have and it [TS]

  said it would be great to have one of us [TS]

  on the inside and it was generally but [TS]

  not why not busy right after that like [TS]

  on and then I don't actually remember [TS]

  that scene in the book and I think it [TS]

  might actually be something that happens [TS]

  right at the beginning of the third oh [TS]

  ok well our cat because once it is one [TS]

  of the things they did do in this series [TS]

  is is there's some stuff in the end of [TS]

  the first season that's from the second [TS]

  book and their stuff at the end of the [TS]

  second season is from the third book and [TS]

  they also withheld some stuff from the [TS]

  second book because they didn't want to [TS]

  cast characters and have them in one [TS]

  scene of one season so like we don't see [TS]

  Mance Rayder frog men we don't see the [TS]

  field we don't see the Frog people we [TS]

  don't it's just like how we didn't see [TS]

  sounds like it's like frog be sorry we [TS]

  was gonna be on windows into the show [TS]

  frogadier's we don't see we don't see [TS]

  scan us in the first season even though [TS]

  he's in the previously mentioned he's [TS]

  mentioned but we don't see them even [TS]

  other scenes with him look I think I [TS]

  think there was a problem the series is [TS]

  a lot of time they would put characters [TS]

  on the screen and I'm like wait which [TS]

  one is he [TS]

  because I'd heard Stannis Baratheon and [TS]

  like I know that name but I don't [TS]

  recognize the actor and I guess because [TS]

  he wasn't in the first season but I they [TS]

  kept talking about him and Renly they [TS]

  talked about right you know but it [TS]

  really does appear though they have the [TS]

  first she's [TS]

  will they ever seen him in the night of [TS]

  y-yeah hard to forget yeah and the [TS]

  knight of flowers are buddies that's why [TS]

  that's why his betrothed people talk [TS]

  about that in the first season Michael [TS]

  did you have trouble falling with all [TS]

  these characters like nose right on [TS]

  board but season 2 it start to lose me [TS]

  and because I was like it's not going to [TS]

  get into it was only like for the first [TS]

  three episodes that I settled in but it [TS]

  was because it's like all the all these [TS]

  new actors are like I thought Renly was [TS]

  new I mean I guess it did seem in season [TS]

  1 but he was so unimportant in this [TS]

  season it's like Stannis and Renly and [TS]

  that whole thing is like you don't [TS]

  remember the scene with the night flower [TS]

  shaves his chest and season one I didn't [TS]

  recognize them as the same guy i like my [TS]

  wife reminded that for me i remember the [TS]

  scene but I didn't connect that guy [TS]

  what's interesting is to we've already [TS]

  met minor character we met characters in [TS]

  a minor capacity in season that wanted [TS]

  to that appear later i'm thinking [TS]

  particularly of we have a brief [TS]

  appearance in season one of beric [TS]

  Dondarrion was the sort of this becomes [TS]

  this mercenary leader in the the [TS]

  Brotherhood without banners from and I [TS]

  which is reference but which is [TS]

  reference and we don't medium but he [TS]

  appears in a brief scene where like [TS]

  Robert tells him [TS]

  oh go up to the Riverlands and root out [TS]

  all these troublemakers and we like he's [TS]

  out there for 30 seconds like all right [TS]

  I'm off them to do that number kind of [TS]

  wondering are they gonna bring back the [TS]

  same like random same a dude that they [TS]

  had the letters it totally recast they [TS]

  only change that cup electors I think [TS]

  they the mountain is played by different [TS]

  guy is the one season typically huh [TS]

  seems like it'd be hard to find another [TS]

  guy who looks like this put a big guy [TS]

  with the dominant side of his head [TS]

  no that's the dog that surrounds his [TS]

  brother who had this right dude [TS]

  yeah if anything of scarier than that [TS]

  yeah I wouldn't notice that recast that [TS]

  because all you see is like you know his [TS]

  shoulders and his chin [TS]

  I know yeah it's like that guy police [TS]

  squad so so I'm let's talk about the [TS]

  Brethren brothers because they're [TS]

  they're both in playing a game account [TS]

  on the way and yes the brothers [TS]

  Baratheon I think that's what you're [TS]

  thinking fine independent film they they [TS]

  they have that interesting scene where [TS]

  they they have that conversation like [TS]

  well join with me as I know join with me [TS]

  know and then the the one of those [TS]

  shocking uses of magic where where the [TS]

  red lady Melisandre like has a shadow [TS]

  baby down in a boat somewhere that's [TS]

  pretty efficient magic I mean it was [TS]

  strangely produced but it went and got [TS]

  the job [TS]

  done right away right i mean [TS]

  conventionally produced to just you know [TS]

  instead of a regular baby there was [TS]

  smoke baby there was yeah yeah it had [TS]

  like this purple shadow baby did not [TS]

  mess around just went right to i'm [TS]

  supposed to go and kill this one person [TS]

  i will come out materialize I will kill [TS]

  him I will leave its magic magic [TS]

  assassination which pity which I like an [TS]

  actual price i like it because John [TS]

  sighs what Ollie what George Martin does [TS]

  that in these books that i think is is [TS]

  good and that they picked up for the TV [TS]

  show is these moments of shocking magic [TS]

  where you you're logged into feeling [TS]

  like I'm watching a world where the [TS]

  rules are the rules of the world and [TS]

  said you know it's a different setting [TS]

  but all the rules apply and then there's [TS]

  a magic shadow thing that comes and [TS]

  kills you and it's not going on but and [TS]

  i love that because it's that moment was [TS]

  a great fantasy right I I like also like [TS]

  I don't know how this is going to be [TS]

  resolved but i like the fact that she [TS]

  was like the whole you know you have to [TS]

  join my religion and like we're gonna do [TS]

  this whole big thing in your life boy [TS]

  he's getting bamboozle this is all made [TS]

  up BS right then she gives birth to [TS]

  shadow baby like how she was excited me [TS]

  I'm here runs out well you know i don't [TS]

  i'm still like skeptical about like her [TS]

  powers versus you know like it because [TS]

  first you thought it was justjust [TS]

  power-hungry she's gonna trick this dupe [TS]

  the stupid guy into following her with [TS]

  this fake made up religion thing but she [TS]

  does have actual magic but as it turns [TS]

  out it's not quite enough to seal [TS]

  victory that they will I really like [TS]

  that scene with a with Stannis and Renly [TS]

  because there is I feel like an element [TS]

  of the sort of the brotherly aspect of [TS]

  it where it's just like neither of them [TS]

  you know there's so many resentments and [TS]

  everything built up over time that the [TS]

  two of them are just like you can't [TS]

  trust each other because they know each [TS]

  other so well in some ways but this [TS]

  regret in both of them like regretting [TS]

  both devices that you know because they [TS]

  want you know and you and it's hard to [TS]

  root despite the fact that Stannis you [TS]

  know and insofar as the the rules of the [TS]

  world to go you can look all right stand [TS]

  is technically now is the guide to do [TS]

  this but he's the wrong got like you [TS]

  know he's he's friendly is no prize [TS]

  either they're right there really is not [TS]

  much better but like what Stannis has [TS]

  that you know they were you know which [TS]

  everyone talks about which is just like [TS]

  he's got such a stick up his back [TS]

  really i don't think any of the [TS]

  candidates would be good Kings I don't [TS]

  understand like like who who is the [TS]

  better guy like whose motives or more [TS]

  pure who you know you know like they all [TS]

  have they all have weird motivations but [TS]

  like Sam is kind of like he's trying to [TS]

  be a stand-up guy like he's good too [TS]

  what's his name wasn't on the boat at [TS]

  the end what's this friend of the onion [TS]

  yeah yeah he was one of the few really [TS]

  redeemed like right and generally good [TS]

  character and addison shrinking you know [TS]

  he's spanish and her like are he's good [TS]

  he's gotta know you know he's honorable [TS]

  if not particularly agencies are making [TS]

  matic he makes bad choices but in [TS]

  general he's trying to do the right [TS]

  thing and ran late for the same thing [TS]

  really is not crazy and power-hungry [TS]

  like he's not he's not Joffrey you know [TS]

  or anything like that he's he's finds [TS]

  himself in a difficult situation as well [TS]

  and so that's why it's that kind of [TS]

  tragedy of those two brothers that if [TS]

  they had just they just talk to each [TS]

  other [TS]

  well if you're gonna go by motivations [TS]

  the only candidates for King that really [TS]

  have pure motivations are garrisoned [TS]

  Joffrey well Benares is not very pure I [TS]

  think it crazy i think the world belongs [TS]

  to me because i have dragons does not [TS]

  mean i don't birth people i think relax [TS]

  King Robb has you know Rob at least the [TS]

  way it starts out which is to say Rob [TS]

  generally is like really I just want us [TS]

  to kind of be left alone but you're not [TS]

  going to do that so I think and then I'm [TS]

  really pissed off because you killed my [TS]

  dad and so I think you know rob has his [TS]

  flaws but at the same time he comes off [TS]

  looking pretty good [TS]

  based on the competition like even once [TS]

  you know we get him in season two we get [TS]

  him falling in love and he wants to [TS]

  screw over his tactical decisions [TS]

  because of his heart which is [TS]

  unfortunately you know that's my thing [TS]

  is just with real kings to we're talking [TS]

  about Joffrey has there ever been a [TS]

  better character that you love to hate [TS]

  that poor actor will he ever get a job [TS]

  again is so good at planes offerings [TS]

  here [TS]

  oh man reminds me the kid who plays [TS]

  draco malfoy their economy that's [TS]

  everything I found Rico more more [TS]

  sympathetic away more simple trace those [TS]

  wrinkles not a sadist right now what [TS]

  draco starts out as being a little bit [TS]

  crazy right as like 11 and 12 year old [TS]

  boy he gets more relatable as he grows [TS]

  older Joffrey Joffrey start [TS]

  yes he's joking with you [TS]

  yeah you're really relatable one can [TS]

  even when he was trying to impress the [TS]

  girl and failing and hurting himself [TS]

  with like the swords by the right that [TS]

  was one relatable seen and that was the [TS]

  turning point is character and he just [TS]

  went you know what it's like if anyone [TS]

  didn't you read the stand I want to make [TS]

  this register right there now you didn't [TS]

  i'm not related to Joffrey in the scene [TS]

  were a hound quit [TS]

  yes yeah that's right there where he [TS]

  doesn't need that right what lousy kid [TS]

  with that seems odd man also where Terry [TS]

  and it's like listen go out there you [TS]

  need to do this as a kid like you could [TS]

  be there's still time to salvage us king [TS]

  that makes me go out there and do it [TS]

  maybe like tyrion more but I knew he [TS]

  wasn't going to write what I think [TS]

  there's a moment there's a moment of [TS]

  indecision in Joffrey that and then it's [TS]

  just you can he be redeemed in three you [TS]

  know right like he's just it's not that [TS]

  he's like necessarily in that moment you [TS]

  see that he's not he's not a douchebag [TS]

  necessarily because he's just I think he [TS]

  has problems but like it's fear at the [TS]

  root of that right [TS]

  he's just honestly scared and wants to [TS]

  hang out but he's already decided the [TS]

  way he deals with his feelings by fears [TS]

  by turning by turning into evil acts [TS]

  against others not to make some event [TS]

  but he's still I mean agreed but he's [TS]

  still young enough at that point that [TS]

  you feel like maybe you could change him [TS]

  but I have pity for his situation but [TS]

  but the character is he's like totally [TS]

  we all need just at a certain point it's [TS]

  just tipped and it's like there's no [TS]

  going back for him needs to be slapped [TS]

  in every stain and then eventually [TS]

  killed what I what I love about Joffrey [TS]

  is that he is the embodiment of [TS]

  everything that I've ever thought that [TS]

  in reading history about young people [TS]

  being put on the throne as monarchs [TS]

  which is which is and it's also a little [TS]

  bit like it like Anthony in that [TS]

  Twilight Zone episode 2 it's like you [TS]

  give absolute power to somebody who has [TS]

  absolutely no maturity at all [TS]

  what do you think is going to happen [TS]

  more often than not you are you are you [TS]

  are taking a huge risk that they're [TS]

  going to be so warped by their [TS]

  experience that got them to that point [TS]

  that you're the bad things are gonna [TS]

  happen Joffrey is the embodiment of that [TS]

  he is the wrong person in so many [TS]

  different ways to tip to be on that [TS]

  throne and yet he's the next design most [TS]

  as war [TS]

  as a what's-her-name license dog license [TS]

  son Robert Aaron Robert Aaron yeah we [TS]

  didn't see this year right you did tell [TS]

  you didn't do we see like that all this [TS]

  you know we didn't know how your issue [TS]

  will get her back we'll get their money [TS]

  back [TS]

  yeah i like the fact that Cersei thought [TS]

  she could control like all but Joffrey [TS]

  up there he's my boy was holding me [TS]

  listen to me and that seemed like it was [TS]

  working out for like two episodes and [TS]

  then and then she lost it and now she's [TS]

  like this is dumb [TS]

  well I mean as I made him a scene where [TS]

  it's the same where he kills net right [TS]

  yeah the other season where she suddenly [TS]

  goes that was about again oh no so [TS]

  forgot that's right King [TS]

  so the best part the best part of this [TS]

  of this season is i think is Tyrion in [TS]

  that position where he's got his sister [TS]

  on one side he's for his father has [TS]

  invested in him [TS]

  recognizing that he's a very smart [TS]

  person and then also may be figuring [TS]

  what this might be unwinnable i'm just [TS]

  going to use Tyrion and this and if you [TS]

  close it so what [TS]

  but Terry and then is stuck between [TS]

  searcy and and Joffrey and he's an end [TS]

  it's this great dynamic of somebody you [TS]

  want to root for [TS]

  but his job is to fix it for all the [TS]

  terrible people and I love that because [TS]

  i want Tyrion to do well I wanted to [TS]

  succeed he's smart he's funny he's does [TS]

  quips he's he cares about his his [TS]

  girlfriend he slaps Joffrey which is an [TS]

  excellent [TS]

  it just happens to be from not-so-great [TS]

  family yeah but he's loyal two ish yeah [TS]

  that's the prophets Islam is all I don't [TS]

  like he says at the end of it like why [TS]

  don't you just leave it so it's not just [TS]

  like oh it's my duty it's like kinda [TS]

  like he's good i can just as easily he's [TS]

  willing to admit it's not just because [TS]

  of duties not just because of loyalty is [TS]

  not just because this one is good basic [TS]

  kind of enjoy it [TS]

  yeah i kinda like doing that turns out [TS]

  he's good at it because when we see in [TS]

  the first season he's kind of a drift [TS]

  right he's just he's going from place to [TS]

  place and he's disaffected he's grumpy [TS]

  and he meets Braun and they go to the [TS]

  earring almost dies but he brought saves [TS]

  them and they make the deal with the [TS]

  hill people and he's very clever but he [TS]

  said reason aired well drifter you waste [TS]

  of police has talent yeah and then in [TS]

  this it's like this is what he was born [TS]

  for which makes it so sad that at the [TS]

  end he gets no credit for kids you know [TS]

  did you say things that they gotta try [TS]

  to kill em season and especially yeah [TS]

  the whole scene on the Blackwater which [TS]

  I'm sure will get to you no he realizes [TS]

  that the only way to sort of you know [TS]

  get anything done is to do it himself [TS]

  and to lead everybody knows that because [TS]

  that's what you get credit for being a [TS]

  victory in battle right now I could like [TS]

  it but also because he knew that that [TS]

  without that would fail [TS]

  nothing would happen because that scene [TS]

  where Jeffrey runs away we were just [TS]

  talking about he's like you know you can [TS]

  see that he's losing everybody knows if [TS]

  he lets it go [TS]

  the city is just dead so you know he as [TS]

  much as he doesn't want to go out and go [TS]

  into battle not his forte maybe oh yeah [TS]

  but he does it because he knows that it [TS]

  has to be done [TS]

  yeah that makes you my the redeeming [TS]

  care and provides the inspiration that [TS]

  the King now cannot do [TS]

  butBut Tyrion fun Tyrion does what [TS]

  joffrey can't which is dig deep even [TS]

  even though he doesn't want to be out [TS]

  there and he's maybe terrified and does [TS]

  what he needs to do to save the city and [TS]

  who was sent to kill him one of the one [TS]

  of the Kingsguard sky right one of the [TS]

  when they when they send out the goods [TS]

  saying spent by who though there's think [TS]

  Cersei I mean according to various right [TS]

  now but who of course has his own agenda [TS]

  because i was confused at first i [TS]

  thought when i saw him getting attacked [TS]

  by his own guy I'm like the audit I [TS]

  wouldn't send him that send that guy you [TS]

  know because it seems like a pilot but [TS]

  it's kind of left and say oh cried [TS]

  because I was just buy one comes in and [TS]

  he's like I save the day you know and so [TS]

  yeah but I was not I mean like I think [TS]

  you get the impression from thailand [TS]

  character is that he's he's much more [TS]

  straightforward the net [TS]

  despite being yeah yeah like you get the [TS]

  whole thing with him which is kind of I [TS]

  don't know if it's clear from these TV [TS]

  show but we get the rains of castamere [TS]

  we get I I saying I think his [TS]

  interaction with mari actually are [TS]

  reviewing elaborates his character and [TS]

  makes it very clear that he is a [TS]

  difficult person but he's really smart [TS]

  yeah and that management is sympathetic [TS]

  in a way that I never felt really like [TS]

  almost like he's honorable like he has [TS]

  his own code it's absolutely messed up [TS]

  code but it's his code and like well [TS]

  it's because he's been kind to someone [TS]

  that we like to add the right that he is [TS]

  decent there that he's not a jerk to her [TS]

  whatever just so happens that he's a [TS]

  jerk to the rest of the world [TS]

  raimondi sorry I we've been [TS]

  you're surfing you've been quiet [TS]

  thoughts about about the Syrian and and [TS]

  that's really well i agree that Terry [TS]

  and starts as an arrow well in fact the [TS]

  first time we see him he's being [TS]

  portrayed as a drunken whore mom oh yeah [TS]

  which he has you know whatever weather [TS]

  that everybody in the world is a drunken [TS]

  whore monitor just class hear about in [TS]

  most summer my original the original [TS]

  title being they live stream of drunken [TS]

  whore groans get Rockets around so it [TS]

  also we have Theon Greyjoy [TS]

  oh that you have people who take ya for [TS]

  the like maybe this guy is ok to the wow [TS]

  this guy is probably this is got this [TS]

  guy's like ninth circle of hell right so [TS]

  you actually goes home right he goes [TS]

  home yeah i'm going home is better than [TS]

  a hostage in Winterfell for all the time [TS]

  of day goin home now this wasn't clear [TS]

  for me from the show like when he's on [TS]

  his way home is his intention to it is [TS]

  is he going there fully intending to do [TS]

  the mission he was sent to do or is he [TS]

  going there the whole time thinking now [TS]

  you know like we know what he actually [TS]

  does but it's like I thought when he was [TS]

  on his way there [TS]

  he's gonna do a Rob set will get those [TS]

  guys you know I think so i think he is I [TS]

  think he feels he is at that point still [TS]

  feels like oh I'm Rob's buddy Rob wants [TS]

  to be king that'll put me in like a [TS]

  really great position in position I I [TS]

  kind of he's like my brother tiny go to [TS]

  my family and I don't be outright [TS]

  because they they'll miss me on the [TS]

  prodigal son returned right but the [TS]

  second he gets there it's like when [TS]

  everything goes south grand like in a [TS]

  second is like but but daddy why don't [TS]

  you love me and had sex with my sister [TS]

  and it would just mean you have [TS]

  secretary the field right yeah did I [TS]

  thought they did horse ride you don't [TS]

  know what happened it's just that his [TS]

  sister is a piece of work [TS]

  yeah yeah i mean that's a good [TS]

  characters I'm not really enjoyed the [TS]

  great for my family in general and we [TS]

  will meet more the Greyjoy family is an [TS]

  interesting group of those Islands [TS]

  that's not good for the tourist board [TS]

  for like probably the Iron Islands where [TS]

  they belong to the IRA all the people [TS]

  are terrible pay the iron pray come to [TS]

  be around in the water whatever what is [TS]

  their slogan LOL what is dead may never [TS]

  die [TS]

  that is that's a great family slogan to [TS]

  run for City crack the the actual [TS]

  Greyjoy one which is the we do not so [TS]

  you know we're not we're not farmers we [TS]

  conquer like that in the iron price [TS]

  right that was which is it was a great [TS]

  scene where I love the culture clash [TS]

  there with Eon has been you know it's [TS]

  that you send the kids off to school and [TS]

  they and they get they get the altar get [TS]

  all uppity they get their their [TS]

  upbringing in their book learning and [TS]

  all over the evening and they come back [TS]

  and it's like you know hey mr. cultured [TS]

  guy we here we kill people and steal [TS]

  their stuff that's what we do here [TS]

  generally doesn't like sustainable [TS]

  economic system of tyrunt's they get [TS]

  pirate to have a mile Arizona and [TS]

  wrapping my fish five pirate fishing now [TS]

  that's what i'm actually they find the [TS]

  food the fish I'm gonna take it from [TS]

  them their fish pirates they're paying [TS]

  them have asked you scurvy fish boy [TS]

  anyway and it's so then beyond get the [TS]

  great idea to go to Winterfell which is [TS]

  a success in a way [TS]

  well that's part of the family those [TS]

  like yeah I got to go with his family [TS]

  program in my family programs disobey [TS]

  orders and take stuff and solve the heat [TS]

  go [TS]

  you know i will disobey orders and i'll [TS]

  try to take stuff yeah and he will wish [TS]

  I comment and yeah it's fascinating to [TS]

  see just how far he'll go to write like [TS]

  we get the scene where he's taking over [TS]

  he's kind of whiny right about taking [TS]

  over why wont everybody respect me I [TS]

  concrete is placed on like that many [TS]

  guys I'm awesome that was like cause [TS]

  you're a dick [TS]

  well if that is like first in command is [TS]

  like you know you should really killed [TS]

  that guy i get everything he does is [TS]

  because of like it's like back he's [TS]

  doing it's like people future can you [TS]

  know all right well yeah but you don't [TS]

  kill these two little kids chicken mean [TS]

  it's worse [TS]

  yea and NEA and then in he feels like us [TS]

  to prove himself right so we have that [TS]

  whole thing where he tries to track down [TS]

  brand and Rickon because you let them [TS]

  get away with what's behind embarrassing [TS]

  he let a child a cripple and a half wit [TS]

  you know Escape and so does you know [TS]

  this really it's even more despicable [TS]

  right like that Sam he basically just [TS]

  kills two innocent I'm sure he'll do it [TS]

  but I like the part where he was forced [TS]

  to be the one to you know [TS]

  oh yeah still right I like the fact that [TS]

  he did it and didn't like that he's [TS]

  better than Joffrey already like the [TS]

  police to have the guts to do it you [TS]

  know i mean he he was shaking the whole [TS]

  time it couldn't [TS]

  handle it but go ahead Monty really like [TS]

  that on the show it was eons fault the [TS]

  kids escaped in the book it's they just [TS]

  kind of sneak out with their too weird [TS]

  green friends that aren't on the show [TS]

  but on the show it specifically because [TS]

  he couldn't not have sex with this weird [TS]

  wildly lady that leads to his big [TS]

  disgrace [TS]

  so it's more his fault that wasn't his [TS]

  fault this is incompetent guards he's [TS]

  not guarding all castle himself [TS]

  you might say he paid the ironic price [TS]

  uh we're gonna say that then you know [TS]

  the thing that stands out in my mind I [TS]

  is when beyond to take over Winterfell [TS]

  has two who is it that he that he kills [TS]

  like the leader of the guard right here [TS]

  that Roger casa record careful [TS]

  yeah the the the section where you [TS]

  basically date tries to behead him and [TS]

  France [TS]

  yeah like eventually yeah but and you [TS]

  can hear the hacking away and I was a [TS]

  pretty good i haven't beheaded anybody [TS]

  but many general and we thought about a [TS]

  lot [TS]

  well that's telling me that's the [TS]

  parallel ism with Ned Stark exactly what [TS]

  other Lane cut says I'll do it whereas [TS]

  bianca i guess i could do it and then he [TS]

  can't do it and he hacks he goes through [TS]

  with it and that's and that's a [TS]

  different sort master right that's the [TS]

  guy who taught him how to find [TS]

  everything he was kind of a jerk but [TS]

  still [TS]

  yeah and he ended up i do love that [TS]

  lasts in the last episode which one [TS]

  another had seen with the horn the guy [TS]

  who keeps playing the horn Outside the [TS]

  Walls i'm already kill that guy with [TS]

  this beautiful water give this big [TS]

  speech then punk and then they just [TS]

  bought him on the head that it's a great [TS]

  scene and killed and kill the poor old [TS]

  man [TS]

  yeah yeah the Meister becomes your hand [TS]

  is one bad judgment it was to run out [TS]

  and say what's going on here just stay [TS]

  in the room you find it yeah what's [TS]

  going on all were poking people very [TS]

  equipped for that game sorry I did he [TS]

  not do not know where he lives [TS]

  it was a bad choice everybody's going to [TS]

  see what everybody nice guys John he was [TS]

  so wise and he was so good like a [TS]

  no-kill killing the Ravens and sending [TS]

  the message before like I had it all [TS]

  together and well I serve Winterfell and [TS]

  bought the end [TS]

  that one bad decision at the end what's [TS]

  going on here well they probably just [TS]

  would've burned him down then I seem [TS]

  like they were just added there I [TS]

  wouldn't know that the hope they come [TS]

  out remember yet i did it is alternately [TS]

  somebody could've got out here with all [TS]

  the ghosts are you know good hitting [TS]

  down in the down in the bottom line with [TS]

  the kids ramp in the crypts and the [TS]

  Crips eat meat so so uh let's talk about [TS]

  will move across the Narrow Sea and talk [TS]

  to do you know it's not true that [TS]

  overall in sync this time because we're [TS]

  all heels we're all here we don't have [TS]

  skype as an excuse to get ya muzik as we [TS]

  as we fly it yes we're moving across the [TS]

  Narrow Sea and to Daenerys Targaryen who [TS]

  is lost out in the in the desert because [TS]

  she was abandoned by the remnants of [TS]

  cultural goes army at the end of the [TS]

  first season but she has baby dragons so [TS]

  this season we got to see her first we [TS]

  see a few episodes where they're kind of [TS]

  venturing out trying to find somewhere [TS]

  to go and its really desperate and she's [TS]

  trying to hold them together which is [TS]

  interesting and then they find the city [TS]

  of cars and they go there negotiate [TS]

  negotiate worth that core cars cars cars [TS]

  and the gates both think yeah haha so [TS]

  mad at paneras for pronouncing it [TS]

  quarter when she had never seen it [TS]

  written down that was set to stupid lock [TS]

  well I mean think about she's been [TS]

  speaking you know when I don't even she [TS]

  learned about the great cities of yeah [TS]

  I'm gonna call incident angles Carl [TS]

  Drogo from now on area you know Carl [TS]

  Drogo carbon- Chicago that I know him [TS]

  he's a nice guy he's a good guy he fell [TS]

  off his horse that was everyone's yeah [TS]

  whatever you say clearly see the existed [TS]

  the existence of a city like cars like [TS]

  coming out of you know in the TV series [TS]

  like oh here's this world that we're [TS]

  concerned about it like what like this [TS]

  whole thriving economy and this other [TS]

  big giant entity that's over there and [TS]

  like the only one [TS]

  why don't we why don't we don't care [TS]

  about those people like that the shows [TS]

  for so provincial who cares who owned [TS]

  the gallons the Seven Kingdoms that was [TS]

  awesome City well just like twenty seven [TS]

  kingdoms left it isn't that the one [TS]

  that's I think that's part of the idea [TS]

  right as it turns out that that that [TS]

  this whole story were telling us in this [TS]

  backwater that's like the it's it's like [TS]

  not the part of the [TS]

  general that's cool i can't get a handle [TS]

  on how big this the planet is I'm he's [TS]

  looking at opening scene I i know but [TS]

  like like it was an amazing is it on the [TS]

  map it's the kind of candy that is like [TS]

  winterfeldt the King's Landing is that [TS]

  like that like you know the top and [TS]

  bottom of England or not like a tangent [TS]

  of the murder of Africa like no I think [TS]

  it's like Europe I think I think [TS]

  Westeros is meant to be kind of like the [TS]

  size of Europe Western PA you know you [TS]

  get my king landing is kind of like you [TS]

  know England but then you have stuff [TS]

  that goes below it can you also have [TS]

  stuff that goes but yea above it and [TS]

  apply and wait I've got like you know [TS]

  Winterfell is coming they're kind of [TS]

  scholarship wasn't there was like you [TS]

  can tell from my theories you can tell [TS]

  from how long it takes to go from place [TS]

  to place how big the map is so Roz went [TS]

  from Winterfell to King's Landing in one [TS]

  episode at the beginning of the season [TS]

  and Peter Littlefinger kind of jaded all [TS]

  around the place [TS]

  ignoring the fact that there was a war [TS]

  going on in the middle of season two so [TS]

  I feel like it can't be that big little [TS]

  finger has a private jet is a balloon [TS]

  nice it's gonna be what seems it's [TS]

  supposed to be a couple days ride from [TS]

  King's Landing to Winterfell because [TS]

  they were a little longer than that but [TS]

  Moving's right yeah yeah well on the [TS]

  kingsroad it's not supposed to take them [TS]

  that long because Aria when ru is [TS]

  traveling with the you know Nights Watch [TS]

  to be group they're supposed to only be [TS]

  on the roof or maybe it's maybe it's [TS]

  kind of the size of England if you [TS]

  measure from King's Landing two together [TS]

  at the wall yeah but then there's a vast [TS]

  sort of like an avian kind you get my [TS]

  going north and then you get like Dorne [TS]

  and stuff underneath which we have to [TS]

  place anymore [TS]

  that's like Spain kind of attitude of [TS]

  hot but the point is like going into [TS]

  Egypt to the point is it like for all we [TS]

  know what there's an equivalent of north [TS]

  america south america and australia that [TS]

  are like so far off these guys right [TS]

  over there it's hard to judge to based [TS]

  on like you know I definitely feel like [TS]

  that in this season where it's you know [TS]

  you'll see someone disappear and then [TS]

  like next episode will show up like [TS]

  halfway across the country like how a [TS]

  how long has gone by visual inspection [TS]

  system president but my impression at [TS]

  least the way I always viewed it was [TS]

  that that Westeros is in some ways like [TS]

  North America in the sense that it's [TS]

  like it's more recently settled and it's [TS]

  kind of a backwater and and then there [TS]

  and then there's the the main [TS]

  the all the cities on the main continent [TS]

  which is where the remains of ancient [TS]

  Valyria are and then there's like [TS]

  islands and some stuff to the south [TS]

  where it's just too hot in there be [TS]

  dragons there or not dragons monsters or [TS]

  something or whatever so so but i love [TS]

  that is not right that you go and you [TS]

  see the city of cars and you're like [TS]

  wait a second [TS]

  they've got like money and riches and [TS]

  magical internal combustion engines I [TS]

  don't know what they got airplanes fly [TS]

  safe that work a little magic things [TS]

  that go in them [TS]

  yeah generis wants to go across this [TS]

  yeah she wants the concrete application [TS]

  of concord cars are you where you need [TS]

  to go patient mean it was seriously [TS]

  finger doesn't matter an indoor plumbing [TS]

  their warlocks all the Warlord's you get [TS]

  into place with the Warlocks guy was [TS]

  creepy that was that was a good job with [TS]

  him I had no no I have no memory of [TS]

  genera storyline from the book of that [TS]

  is what they changed it i believe pretty [TS]

  much as you read this recently so you [TS]

  can back me up and I feel like they [TS]

  changed that pretty dress yeah well [TS]

  there was no dragon kid yeah that didn't [TS]

  happen [TS]

  no but I mean in general it's so unusual [TS]

  and she wanders around for a long time [TS]

  Marty in the books has three different [TS]

  ruling groups that all battle one of [TS]

  them's the 13 and the show I think [TS]

  wisely just cut everybody out with a 13 [TS]

  and then killed 12 of the 13 movies [TS]

  about to know those guys either Canaris [TS]

  is a lot more rambling and boring and [TS]

  cars in the book in my know there's [TS]

  there's a lot of time with her sort of [TS]

  wandering around trying to figure out [TS]

  like how do i get the money to you know [TS]

  go back to where I want to go and have [TS]

  anything make good stories someone [TS]

  struggling with money problems right to [TS]

  vote good and it iron to see [TS]

  impoverished when you're quite when [TS]

  you're trying to take over the yeah I [TS]

  thought the narratives a little bit [TS]

  whiny the season like i like i like to [TS]

  arise from you know the from being you [TS]

  know when the property always figuring [TS]

  it out and now she just kind of got a [TS]

  little bit cranky and like what I [TS]

  mcqueen and no mother of dragons listen [TS]

  I die all my people got killed and I'm [TS]

  not a very good Queen I guess right well [TS]

  i mean i think and i think they set up [TS]

  nicely for just sort of that towards the [TS]

  end of this season it's sort of figuring [TS]

  out how she like who she needs to be and [TS]

  what she can do [TS]

  I'm to say all right now she's sort of [TS]

  acquired some of that confidence with [TS]

  all right I can take care of myself I [TS]

  know more or less i think he was loyal [TS]

  to me and I'm going to take that and use [TS]

  it as sort of my jumping off point is [TS]

  that what about my magical what you have [TS]

  magic [TS]

  what are you waiting so long to pull out [TS]

  the magic why didn't you all I got to do [TS]

  with these guys tell me I got a big this [TS]

  guy for money but apparently she could [TS]

  just go in there and say haha magic I'm [TS]

  impervious to fire my dragons obey my [TS]

  command and all that you like you could [TS]

  have done that at the beginning of the [TS]

  season they let me in our i'll make my [TS]

  tiny little dragons melt your city [TS]

  little slowly slowly very slowly you get [TS]

  a 5 make it apparently I'm invulnerable [TS]

  multi multiple fire fire because the [TS]

  American ideal battle plans just be the [TS]

  hole up somewhere [TS]

  wait 20 years until she has giant killer [TS]

  dragons and it fly over the narrow now [TS]

  should burn is just very with her she's [TS]

  very impatient yeah she's very beautiful [TS]

  as her brother's yeah spoke to him she [TS]

  and Jeffrey should get together with a [TS]

  conversation that would be sure and you [TS]

  know how we did it like you would roast [TS]

  haha that would be no it's hard because [TS]

  I don't know you guys and maybe we [TS]

  talked about this a little bit in summer [TS]

  podcast the deal with the books I feel [TS]

  like a lot of people argue to me that [TS]

  she's sort of the sympathetic character [TS]

  and I maybe it's because I find her as [TS]

  with John you know of it rambly and a [TS]

  lot of points but I've never felt that I [TS]

  don't know maybe it's because i find [TS]

  that storyline much more boring than [TS]

  what's going on and i think it's [TS]

  interesting as a threat to the other [TS]

  people but her motivation for why do I [TS]

  want to take over the world always liked [TS]

  but because it's mine and I deserve it [TS]

  because I'm you know like when you would [TS]

  think that would fade like I liked hurt [TS]

  thing for my call you're being given to [TS]

  this guy is a possession but you realize [TS]

  you come into your own and she falls in [TS]

  love with him and it's strange brutal [TS]

  world you live in but then like that [TS]

  she's stuck on like I have to go back [TS]

  and rule to get yy-you truly kingdoms or [TS]

  any don't know i don't think it was in [TS]

  terms of her saying oh no I have to be [TS]

  you know I have to go back to the place [TS]

  that it's my birthright blah blah i [TS]

  think that she is basically made a life [TS]

  for herself with Khal Drogo of a weird [TS]

  sort of life no life and yeah but when [TS]

  he died it's basically it threw her into [TS]

  a tailspin [TS]

  it's kind of well that's all i gotta [TS]

  hold onto yeah it's basically you know [TS]

  that that's my birthright and I have [TS]

  these dragons and clearly you know the [TS]

  dragons were given to me as a wedding [TS]

  present [TS]

  therefore I must head what gets me is [TS]

  that from the perspective of everybody [TS]

  else that we meet back in Westeros we [TS]

  keep getting told that the Targaryen [TS]

  were freaking crazy man [TS]

  yes it's like I don't know I feel like [TS]

  that's kind of born out by you know the [TS]

  papa how many Targaryen have we known [TS]

  and they're both about a little bit with [TS]

  a little bit of you [TS]

  yeah yeah so it's hard for me to find [TS]

  her sympathetic mostly gonna get the [TS]

  most sympathetic characters Carl girl i [TS]

  like them he was so like I like that [TS]

  actor listen to me that my sire at the [TS]

  end I yeah great revisit yet I didn't [TS]

  want to miss him until that why he yes [TS]

  he purchases and rapes his bride but as [TS]

  far as as far as the the tribes go [TS]

  this is one of the gentler yeah yeah [TS]

  we'd just have to defend horse people [TS]

  and their ways [TS]

  I felt like as always and movie wasn't [TS]

  so good i was really glad to see he at [TS]

  least got to come back for a brief [TS]

  paycheck for this show yeah yeah I was [TS]

  gonna say never let him speak English [TS]

  them know well of course not over that I [TS]

  want some more interesting character to [TS]

  me is that someone who like is in a [TS]

  relationship with this barbarian with [TS]

  his whore barbarian but then like he was [TS]

  it she falls in love with him she comes [TS]

  to terms with the fact that she that she [TS]

  is the bride of this crazy bar rapist [TS]

  barbarian and she decides I'm going to [TS]

  make the most of this by becoming the [TS]

  good bride to the crazy rapist barbarian [TS]

  it kinda and then that all falls apart [TS]

  like the russian-made softens him to [TS]

  which is interesting right because you [TS]

  start to come around to him a little bit [TS]

  that first scene with him is very is [TS]

  very hard to like think how would I ever [TS]

  sympathize with no accent which is which [TS]

  is one of the strengths of this series [TS]

  in general there are a number of [TS]

  characters that we are presented with [TS]

  it's like how could i ever sympathize [TS]

  with this person and yet as you go along [TS]

  you start to figure out [TS]

  yeah they're not just ate they're not [TS]

  just a cookie cutter right they all have [TS]

  reasons for the terrible things that [TS]

  they do right well Jamie and seriously [TS]

  friends you have a separate Joffrey but [TS]

  Jamie and seriously both yelling got to [TS]

  Jamie have trouble sympathizing with [TS]

  Jimmy wait right wait for you [TS]

  you will be shocked as I definitely can [TS]

  we get a brief glimpse of of the Jaime [TS]

  and Brienne the maid of Tarth great [TS]

  character bri endless as an actor that [TS]

  actress was so good to Association [TS]

  played that perfectly that is she is [TS]

  that woman she is that character she [TS]

  really likes a girl that like CGI think [TS]

  I do a little bit of perspective but she [TS]

  is pretty tall [TS]

  yeah that was great to get second kids [TS]

  over 60 and she's well over they cast a [TS]

  giant lady [TS]

  yeah well shoot she is suitably giant [TS]

  and also very good at and we can we get [TS]

  her you know we see her and and and [TS]

  Ned's uh mrs. mrs. Ned yeah but I are [TS]

  there catlin while the weld a well [TS]

  there's the horrible shadow murder and [TS]

  it and they're like you did this and I'm [TS]

  like oh so we gotta start right that's [TS]

  why I don't know what happened I don't [TS]

  know what happens is Brienne but I feel [TS]

  like she is done it's an HBO show I [TS]

  could swear she's lined up to be the [TS]

  next you know Ned Stark because she's [TS]

  the one person who we see in most of the [TS]

  things was like honor loyalty obeying my [TS]

  master doing my duty and I think that's [TS]

  what her old their thing is tied up and [TS]

  she's crushed when the person she was [TS]

  pledged to dies and she immediately [TS]

  pledges just like Don Draper immediately [TS]

  getting remarried [TS]

  I'm gonna find the next nearest person [TS]

  and you know I i will pledge my [TS]

  allegiance to you because that's our [TS]

  whole thing is like loyalty and i will [TS]

  serve and then she's happy again out now [TS]

  I have someone to serve just like Ned [TS]

  like well I'm you know I have to if the [TS]

  King says I have to go I'm pledge to [TS]

  serve the King therefore i go it's my [TS]

  duty my head is chopped off so I don't [TS]

  like a beast [TS]

  yeah duty doesn't work out so right and [TS]

  i like to change the only president who [TS]

  feels a duty I get half these people who [TS]

  like you you swore to his banner I'll [TS]

  have to have that I do that I hate that [TS]

  like no one's going to do t equal and [TS]

  that last seen with her and Jamie where [TS]

  she's basically forced to kill those you [TS]

  know the stark people right who are more [TS]

  letters or side yeah why don't you just [TS]

  run all bodyguard yeah and she's she's [TS]

  she is a fascinating character and I [TS]

  think they do some really great things [TS]

  with her and I look forward to seeing [TS]

  that borne out in the show [TS]

  yeah we should talk about before we talk [TS]

  about the Blackwater a little bit i [TS]

  wanted to do at least touch on area who [TS]

  has her her she ends up at Harrenhal [TS]

  with with Tywin Lannister as her as his [TS]

  cupbearer and there's some interesting [TS]

  and that that's all invented for the TV [TS]

  series and it's great because we're [TS]

  getting really interesting characters [TS]

  interesting stuff and J&J Quinn Hegar [TS]

  was one of my favorites when when I [TS]

  really really enjoyed every time i watch [TS]

  this I was watching [TS]

  I've been watching the show this season [TS]

  with several friends and we we kept from [TS]

  remarking how at the you know we all [TS]

  root for aria right because everybody [TS]

  loves aria [TS]

  but the scenes where she figures out [TS]

  about like the killing people and [TS]

  everything and she's we're all like [TS]

  wrong yeah sweet she's going all your [TS]

  hours every day and then we will join [TS]

  the realize and like someone one of my [TS]

  friends watermark if that was a little [TS]

  boy we'd all be like that kid is a [TS]

  psychopath and why did a little bit of [TS]

  people that guy a skill that guy who [TS]

  found that I had stolen yeah one of the [TS]

  best comics it has the entire season no [TS]

  because you're on the edge of your seat [TS]

  everything from her finger and just take [TS]

  one of the greatest pratfalls I've ever [TS]

  seen dies as he enters the room you have [TS]

  to kill him now after all this is this [TS]

  is a manufacturer that makes me feel [TS]

  better about the books because like [TS]

  she's there with Tywin and you know she [TS]

  still blames him for killing her father [TS]

  but y'all sit like she never liked it [TS]

  looks at the plans [TS]

  she looks at the knife she look like [TS]

  she's I guess it's too much to ask of a [TS]

  little girl but she's not very competent [TS]

  in terms of like you had so many chances [TS]

  to kill him [TS]

  you're like we knew that you could have [TS]

  named him you could have killed yourself [TS]

  you're going to poison him you could [TS]

  have done so many shooting and she's a [TS]

  kid and he does nothing but she was [TS]

  smart to a certain extent in knowing [TS]

  that there is a lot more value to be [TS]

  gained by but if she was a little boy [TS]

  she would have killed she would have [TS]

  killed time without really like she [TS]

  would've been so caught up with revenge [TS]

  motive right and then she would have [TS]

  gotten immediately murdered yeah and she [TS]

  would have been that's fine i'm rob [TS]

  avenging my father but like time isn't [TS]

  really the person who actually ja [TS]

  freelance writer she blames the whole [TS]

  canisters but kill Joffrey kill Joffrey [TS]

  but she doesn't do that i love you my [TS]

  love [TS]

  listing names of people she wanted to [TS]

  kill ya time it was not elicit a free [TS]

  was and that she didn't list any of [TS]

  those named ass just right when she had [TS]

  a chance tonight so get back to talking [TS]

  about just got the torturing guy [TS]

  feelings that are guys like I would just [TS]

  experience that it was horrible i really [TS]

  needs to go the right guy right you know [TS]

  who one of the people on her list is [TS]

  that sounds like nothing right it you [TS]

  damn right it was alright [TS]

  browse really know I'm really i love the [TS]

  relationship with her and jacket Hegar [TS]

  who is this i might not remember him [TS]

  talking just really don't know he's [TS]

  increase from bravo's rights like Syria [TS]

  10 has this very stylized man man [TS]

  doesn't talk about when does not appear [TS]

  on his way girl does not ask him and [TS]

  through that [TS]

  yeah I'd love to be such a great [TS]

  character although I was little I wanted [TS]

  to see the the the end shot of him done [TS]

  I kept looking forward to it because I [TS]

  knew it was coming in the book I had [TS]

  always pictured it as just him going and [TS]

  it can be great on the podcast be just [TS]

  sort of runs his hand open tennis and [TS]

  then changed his new jersey jazz hands [TS]

  yeah but that they didn't handle that [TS]

  pretty well where he turned [TS]

  pretty well where he turned [TS]

  the way interns right back into the [TS]

  seamless and yet it's a failed once but [TS]

  I don't want that habit i like the first [TS]

  act their voice I like oh absolutely [TS]

  yeah that second actor like I haven't [TS]

  met him yet but the first actor i [TS]

  thought was great with the long flowing [TS]

  hair and I don't think you added the [TS]

  second guy he's not like Doctor Who I [TS]

  don't think he's actually regenerating [TS]

  into that guy he's just been just [TS]

  traveling face it takes faces all right [TS]

  like the only this character comes back [TS]

  we'll bring the same actor back [TS]

  well I don't want to spoil anything [TS]

  right now but i'll write it would be [TS]

  nice little because that was a good [TS]

  actor but the whole and basically we now [TS]

  we have opened up this world for aria [TS]

  right where she realizes finally a [TS]

  google i want to you know this is [TS]

  something that is going to get me [TS]

  someone who gives her the little coin so [TS]

  you don't give they don't do that if [TS]

  they're not going to bring back because [TS]

  in this this this plotline I'm goulais [TS]

  on that coin will be used in later [TS]

  seasons I have a strange feeling yeah it [TS]

  might it might come up you know what I [TS]

  love ang again is one of the other [TS]

  characters in the book who just it's [TS]

  strangely enough despite being like [TS]

  essentially murderous yeah she's [TS]

  everything my favorite character rating [TS]

  there Alex and she's spunky and funny [TS]

  and smart and me and speaking of all [TS]

  those things the actress who is just [TS]

  fantastic [TS]

  I thought all those scenes with her in [TS]

  Thailand where she just like looks them [TS]

  down and they have this sort of weird [TS]

  like mutual respect going on and she's [TS]

  constantly lying to him but he knows [TS]

  that she's lying to him but doesn't [TS]

  really realize the extent but [TS]

  occasionally put her in her place right [TS]

  little stern word here there to show [TS]

  where the boundaries are but it's a easy [TS]

  easy Williams John she's a fantastic and [TS]

  I I think she has a long hopefully a [TS]

  long career and I saw a video of her [TS]

  doing the cinnamon challenge recently [TS]

  and kind of character for me [TS]

  hey this is terrible I didn't tent and [TS]

  she was like it was like a bunch of our [TS]

  friends like a suburb in england right [TS]

  although they all speak with that accent [TS]

  so I guess you just a teenage girl [TS]

  that's not what are you would do she's [TS]

  much more dignified sorry we're not take [TS]

  the cinnamon challenge I've never heard [TS]

  of the cinnamon challenge [TS]

  well you better ask your kids yeah they [TS]

  don't want to do it right that I did we [TS]

  had we had a taco bell hot sauce eating [TS]

  contest haha it's kind of like it's [TS]

  kinda like well basically it's did you [TS]

  know what is it like like a half [TS]

  teaspoon of cinnamon [TS]

  yeah but you can't do very dangerous [TS]

  don't [TS]

  and do what can you what I'm doing kids [TS]

  but you can't you will cough it up [TS]

  essentially because it can be done on [TS]

  Mythbusters they did [TS]

  yeah it's just it's really hard to do [TS]

  because it's all dry and everything I [TS]

  know it doesn't like you can't like [TS]

  swallowing like a like a trauma and it's [TS]

  very dangerous to inhale that's right [TS]

  because it's in the lung just about that [TS]

  and you also just want to swallow [TS]

  because it's also probably choking [TS]

  hazard this [TS]

  wow so pro tip don't take this should [TS]

  totally take the cinnamon challenge was [TS]

  nothing dads are entitled to all the [TS]

  internet Jason that you can learn about [TS]

  all sorts like this funny pictures of [TS]

  cats also well i got I've got I've got [TS]

  it up with my ipad and also jason Mentos [TS]

  and Diet Coke and a populist right pop [TS]

  rocks and soda killed my and it's not [TS]

  not true so many things you might not [TS]

  know about not having access to the [TS]

  Internet yeah its true like you like all [TS]

  the people in Westeros mm let's talk [TS]

  about the black water which is the 9th [TS]

  episode which was written by george RR [TS]

  martin it's the it's the it's the [TS]

  blockbuster budget episode yet we're [TS]

  going to old have anything yeah a great [TS]

  episode formats excellent focus on that [TS]

  and all the different players the the [TS]

  boats are coming there's those kind of [TS]

  dark scenes of the boats out there in [TS]

  the distance I where they got one today [TS]

  doing what is the guy with the beard [TS]

  named standard rate amo stops we were [TS]

  dark eyes always seen his stock as about [TS]

  he's got a son is like all right dad I'm [TS]

  gonna go in there boom yeah and I idea [TS]

  that's just that the seven ice creepy [TS]

  mobile where they come on that one vote [TS]

  it's like who's on that boat is there [TS]

  anybody what's what's going on there and [TS]

  soldiers once you see an MCN and you're [TS]

  like drama yeah seriously it's like [TS]

  physically here let's think about it [TS]

  tomorrow will scratch your heads no [TS]

  reverse reverse that but it's hard to do [TS]

  right for water didn't help the Titanic [TS]

  either i guess my name [TS]

  well george RR martin wrote that episode [TS]

  do which you can definitely tell because [TS]

  the dialogue gains a slightly more not [TS]

  necessarily froofy feel to it but [TS]

  there's definitely there's less cursing [TS]

  and more interesting derivatives and [TS]

  keeps coming back between the action on [TS]

  the surface and then down to keep where [TS]

  C and and the women are and Cersei is [TS]

  increasingly awful and drunk you do not [TS]

  want to be in her word RNA and a strong [TS]

  out there are bomb shelter shelter have [TS]

  any kind really because she has pointy [TS]

  objects and she'll kill you and she [TS]

  almost gets gets serious girlfriend too [TS]

  she starts to take it to her apartment [TS]

  there's a yeah there's a distraction [TS]

  saved by the bell and and so she said [TS]

  she had been hard to tell her derision [TS]

  at the rest of the ladies you know [TS]

  they're praying and singing and she's [TS]

  like oh yeah i could have bought but is [TS]

  she the only one there who knows that [TS]

  big grumpy guys there to kill them [TS]

  yeah that's a big down or if you if [TS]

  you're the only one here i'm gonna show [TS]

  you a big frowny face guy he's gonna [TS]

  kill me if anything goes wrong so I [TS]

  assumed she has the metal like [TS]

  breastplate [TS]

  yeah I assumed she had given she had [TS]

  given that order yeah because who else [TS]

  would have [TS]

  Joffrey wasn't gonna do it no I assume [TS]

  that Tyrion was my sushi knew she knew [TS]

  that they could not because she's like [TS]

  it's so sad that she accepts that like [TS]

  she started this powerful one and has [TS]

  her own schemes cheeks so accepts the [TS]

  place of a woman in her world that she's [TS]

  just like well you know i'm absolutely [TS]

  attack comes she leaves that room [TS]

  immediately I'm gonna call the nameless [TS]

  idiot women making killed by but she [TS]

  goes down to the throne room it's like I [TS]

  got some poison yeah well she didn't ask [TS]

  your way out [TS]

  she's gonna she's gonna kill Holman [TS]

  right there was only I mean that that [TS]

  would seem kind of expression was doing [TS]

  in a loving way though [TS]

  yeah well actually no order that is the [TS]

  one of the few scenes where Cersei [TS]

  actually seems like a a regular old mom [TS]

  was like yes baby I'm not your mom [TS]

  always written a poisoned you i'm gonna [TS]

  protect you before the crazy you know [TS]

  Stannis for your story about ordering [TS]

  you make that story about the Mayan evil [TS]

  stagnates tags and people yesterday [TS]

  off ya adjacent as the other a child of [TS]

  the 80s who has kids right now can [TS]

  probably relate maybe you can't but I [TS]

  think you probably can't have you [TS]

  thought about if there was a nuclear war [TS]

  would you would you kill your kids in a [TS]

  in a in a peaceful way that seems [TS]

  extreme just that you're you're you're [TS]

  not open to pop the possibility that [TS]

  that things might actually get brighter [TS]

  areas if you're all gonna die radiation [TS]

  watch the third Torchwood see children [TS]

  met and yet [TS]

  children / children over the Torchwood [TS]

  season yeah the guy who sort of that the [TS]

  wall the flunky right the the civil [TS]

  servant guy [TS]

  yeah with the two daughters right which [TS]

  was a brutal brutal scene in that as [TS]

  well I don't know it's I don't know we [TS]

  have a son that's not how I relationship [TS]

  because if you do if excited everyone [TS]

  was born in the 80s had had to consider [TS]

  well what would you do it and if the [TS]

  world in nuclear holocaust as we all [TS]

  know it will from every piece of media [TS]

  fed into our brains with certain [TS]

  vibration part of yours are like I know [TS]

  but I know John Alden but now that we're [TS]

  parents like well you know I don't want [TS]

  my kids to to suffer that fate so i [TS]

  would i would put and so that's what she [TS]

  was doing she's like well this is the [TS]

  end I don't want my kids to suffer [TS]

  horrible deaths are going to tell him [TS]

  and I story give him a sip of poison [TS]

  will go to sleep that'll be it [TS]

  yeah it's real it's a relatable feeling [TS]

  and you can debate whether she was [TS]

  accurately assessing the gravity of the [TS]

  situation obviously she probably wasn't [TS]

  you know all I don't know about that i [TS]

  mean what standards you're in Game of [TS]

  Thrones you eventually have to realize [TS]

  this is a horrible world where the worst [TS]

  thing happens all the time so I think [TS]

  planning for the worst is probably a [TS]

  good idea [TS]

  well like he was a little boy though he [TS]

  would have a fighting chance he wasn't [TS]

  gonna be raped to death like any of his [TS]

  daughters [TS]

  well I think the difference the [TS]

  difference is that he was he was our [TS]

  inline inline small that's right they're [TS]

  getting rid of a bastard china right [TS]

  he's an abomination of volume license [TS]

  photo she has always inbred kids are [TS]

  probably not right in the head anyways [TS]

  our Joffrey yeah I'm saying like it like [TS]

  the reasons to be a little bit all we [TS]

  want to get the idea that he's a little [TS]

  well I made it he's just a day it's just [TS]

  a little kid weasley ok but we also [TS]

  don't have to i think that he's a little [TS]

  directly but you're right Jonathan I [TS]

  thought that was like well within the [TS]

  women down to keep i can understand [TS]

  because they're basically saying if they [TS]

  come in they're going to rape you and [TS]

  there [TS]

  going to kill you yeah but with Tom and [TS]

  I was like well what we're going to do [TS]

  with him and said well no he's he's [TS]

  gonna kill Joffrey and they're gonna [TS]

  kill Tommy yeah so that the life around [TS]

  me i'm going to live because she got [TS]

  such a foreign yeah yeah butBut and then [TS]

  be there just because that's what they [TS]

  did to the Targaryen is right they tried [TS]

  to do all the Targaryen and it just rang [TS]

  guys Brandi just long missed a couple of [TS]

  them [TS]

  ya missed it by that minus a couple [TS]

  Targaryen there there you know [TS]

  Tyrion has actually snuck Tommen out of [TS]

  the city and at one point Sansa is being [TS]

  beaten and Tyrion tell sir see that [TS]

  everything that happens to Sansa any [TS]

  beating or any raping he will personally [TS]

  do to Tommen thought it was interesting [TS]

  they took that out trying to get tearing [TS]

  is trying to be more the the feel-good [TS]

  sympathetic character in this in the TV [TS]

  series anyway so yeah well that would [TS]

  that right in the book that he's he's [TS]

  he's exerting his control over his [TS]

  family in the only ways that he feels [TS]

  that we can and his let's be honest [TS]

  what's his sister's weak spot his [TS]

  sister's weak spot is the love of her [TS]

  children and so that would be and where [TS]

  they don't want to show show are [TS]

  sympathetic Tyrion the TV show maybe I [TS]

  it exploiting like basically taking his [TS]

  nephew and saying I will do terrible [TS]

  things to my nephew if you if you mess [TS]

  up this girl [TS]

  well and I mean us coincident with that [TS]

  plot line we have the the sansa stark [TS]

  her camera is blossoming into womanhood [TS]

  to put it [TS]

  obviously I mean also the whole thing [TS]

  and not just that specifically but the [TS]

  the whole season right because the first [TS]

  season she is pretty much like I'm going [TS]

  to be queen [TS]

  it's okay three blades yeah and this is [TS]

  the season where it's really like oh [TS]

  yeah well welcome to real-world later [TS]

  like and I think you know we have the [TS]

  scene where she is accosted by the mob [TS]

  and almost raped [TS]

  yeah and murdered and the dog Dave [TS]

  around yeah and a great scene with [TS]

  really i think with the Hound later [TS]

  where we when he quits and come up there [TS]

  and says like look I'll take you home my [TS]

  wife and I bought that shirt on with [TS]

  them [TS]

  yeah oh yeah yes yes she should have [TS]

  just yeah [TS]

  around clearly and then we have that [TS]

  scene at the end right where she gets [TS]

  thrown over I in a very carefully staged [TS]

  yes seen surely i cannot hide marry her [TS]

  no but the church says it's okay so well [TS]

  that but but what about this yeah no no [TS]

  it's okay all right well then done and [TS]

  she's so yeah we had a brief moment [TS]

  where she's like yeah I married a middle [TS]

  finger swoops in and says everything out [TS]

  is yeah if you marry me all will be [TS]

  grand last in reality it's like just [TS]

  because you're free of him you're not [TS]

  free of him now enough for you now here [TS]

  we now he's your now heat you can be the [TS]

  Kings play thing and he doesn't have to [TS]

  take good care of you because you know [TS]

  his wife right [TS]

  I asked not to mention you know little [TS]

  finger out of the frying pan into the [TS]

  fire because little finger [TS]

  I was a friend of your mind i was going [TS]

  to be so much and you know tell me my [TS]

  candy no yeah it wasn't a good marry [TS]

  either [TS]

  ok I'm the mayor of Winterfell now or [TS]

  what is inherent hot topic I thought it [TS]

  was interesting that they had Shady's [TS]

  sansas handmade them when Sansa and Shey [TS]

  have no connection at all the books it [TS]

  was like what they did with thumb Tywin [TS]

  and and are you right where they have [TS]

  two characters in the same place and the [TS]

  show shoves them up together to get some [TS]

  really interesting scene after that just [TS]

  aren't in the original source material [TS]

  and it lets you lets you kind of reduce [TS]

  the number of locations you've got and [TS]

  increase the use of incidentally I was [TS]

  really glad by the way that they finally [TS]

  pronounce the change from shy because [TS]

  reading that in the book always [TS]

  mispronounce it it's got two S's yeah [TS]

  looks like si I think of what they did [TS]

  with pushing characters together that [TS]

  aren't together that is vastly [TS]

  preferable to the other thing that you [TS]

  do when you're compressing a big book [TS]

  into TV which is the grated composite [TS]

  carrier you take two or three characters [TS]

  that you make them into one she is the [TS]

  daughter of bed stark and a prostitute [TS]

  rubbish i rose yeah roses every [TS]

  prostitute in western boots [TS]

  that they like that for the most part [TS]

  they do a pretty good job of even in the [TS]

  cases where we have these random [TS]

  characters who anyone who read the books [TS]

  is like oh it's that guy like I thought [TS]

  that was nice they had Roose Bolton in a [TS]

  couple scenes right we don't but we [TS]

  don't see his bastard sometimes be one [TS]

  of those characters they're like we're [TS]

  gonna cast him next [TS]

  right because again he would have been [TS]

  too much but you cuz but he is very [TS]

  important there the little characters [TS]

  that are better in there and then the [TS]

  others it's nice when we get hot y-yeah [TS]

  papaya and Game three high with Aria are [TS]

  also nice her little pals who that go on [TS]

  the lam from Harrenhal with I like those [TS]

  little collections I mean of characters [TS]

  where it's like oh they're out an [TS]

  adventure bad things are gonna happen [TS]

  waiting for that out of the way that [TS]

  fact to die every episode haha he's dead [TS]

  me a hot pie [TS]

  he's he said me he was gonna die he can [TS]

  cook [TS]

  okay okay okay okay but you need to cook [TS]

  I don't think it's interesting you know [TS]

  it's it seems like one of those shows [TS]

  where it's like you get to the end it's [TS]

  the most improbable characters survive [TS]

  right times like this guy is dead [TS]

  that guy's dead and then like like [TS]

  booked 8 it's like King hot pie [TS]

  he's the only one laughing yeah well I [TS]

  had a but we find out the game 3 is one [TS]

  of the bastard children of robert i like [TS]

  is this gonna end with everybody else [TS]

  dead kennedys gonna go you know rubbish [TS]

  my dad my king [TS]

  Andrey universe my daddy and ever and [TS]

  ever elsa/getty on you know we've been [TS]

  rethinking this whole hereditary [TS]

  monarchy thing and we think they may be [TS]

  a better way to decide who rules us [TS]

  here's out book in book seven they have [TS]

  a constitutional command oliver cromwell [TS]

  appears from the east and that's the end [TS]

  of the Kings too many King like water we [TS]

  didn't mention the I do like the [TS]

  alchemist fire which I thought they did [TS]

  a cool job with the special effect [TS]

  meaning they did that mean [TS]

  yeah was more it was more complicated [TS]

  with the chain and stuff in the book yet [TS]

  but in the in the in the they took the [TS]

  coolest part and put it in the water [TS]

  when it is a nice a moment of an area of [TS]

  like six or seven episodes it's a nice [TS]

  moment of Tyrion getting like proving [TS]

  again once again that he is he's [TS]

  actually pretty good at the whole [TS]

  strategy and I like the idea that the [TS]

  explosion was bigger than anyone thought [TS]

  it was good it was kinda like you know [TS]

  it's playing with firecrackers like whoa [TS]

  tonight it's that classic scene from [TS]

  Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid where [TS]

  it goes to blow up the train car and [TS]

  he's like well that audit and then it [TS]

  just blows off the entire car [TS]

  yeah yeah anyway over after [TS]

  overestimated a little well if you're [TS]

  gonna go go big [TS]

  yeah and so they went they go home and [TS]

  some truly horrific Lee brutal special [TS]

  effects in that battle scene where we [TS]

  will be my friends and I will be [TS]

  watching your kind of chatting and then [TS]

  they drop a rock on someone's head [TS]

  you're just like oh my god that was oh [TS]

  that was true but awesome but yeah yeah [TS]

  already cut off some of these legs many [TS]

  people in half [TS]

  yeah cheering and chop someone's leg I [TS]

  like and the hound being afraid of fire [TS]

  was good yeah well I mean writers why [TS]

  he's beyond oh yeah i know it was good [TS]

  at em go you know what [TS]

  no no yeah he's big enough he talks a [TS]

  good game and they said but he's like [TS]

  you better not get that fire anywhere [TS]

  near me and the right like I'm out of [TS]

  here right when I like the fact that you [TS]

  see him I see him by the flames and he's [TS]

  all like why the I didn't need your [TS]

  insanely connection and you would expect [TS]

  him to go but then he overcomes it in [TS]

  like he's going about 80 god he's here [TS]

  he changes his mind he go [TS]

  it's like a princess it's like the [TS]

  princess bride yeah girl died i'm out of [TS]

  here [TS]

  yeah it was and I mean it's that seemed [TS]

  it's also it's not overplayed right it's [TS]

  either explain you know when I was a [TS]

  child I was sure it yeah yeah no I have [TS]

  a friend of fun i also like still very [TS]

  well-loved the showdown with him and [TS]

  brawn where there's yeah oh yeah it's [TS]

  like that can be together yeah and if it [TS]

  bronzed you know Ron kinda knows like [TS]

  this guy's probably tough but i think i [TS]

  think i can take him but it's gonna be a [TS]

  tough fight and then there's sit [TS]

  literally saved by the bell but we [TS]

  haven't we gotta let's have a drink [TS]

  before we go kill all those guys alright [TS]

  although do that droid broad i loved how [TS]

  much more there was to him than there is [TS]

  in the books where he's just a guy [TS]

  standing 90 really want to do is more to [TS]

  you yeah great character in the in the [TS]

  in the show yeah absolutely i love he [TS]

  great master able to he makes me laugh [TS]

  when he's at my wife and I were talking [TS]

  about it's like Oh Braun it's great to [TS]

  have more brawn he's he's Tyrion the [TS]

  brains and he's the Brawn yeah a [TS]

  straightforward he is he's a guy with [TS]

  the sword knows how to use it and he's [TS]

  like you be in charge of the of the City [TS]

  Guard okay yeah I can do that [TS]

  more or less yeah yeah but in it and [TS]

  then at the end of the season with [TS]

  Tyrion we have him basically stripped of [TS]

  all his resources and cranny of the [TS]

  older guy comes to gloat what's-his-name [TS]

  the did the guy Harry three-eye i would [TS]

  just like to tell you digitally that i [TS]

  am on top now and use it's a it's [TS]

  commander veers from a partial expansion [TS]

  yeah I just guessing picturing him doing [TS]

  his like squat exercises and his bro [TS]

  right so that previously said that is [TS]

  defined his character for me remember [TS]

  that song I could help but i'm going to [TS]

  Ferris a great team were very surprised [TS]

  to get seduced by prostitute [TS]

  mmhmm yeah yeah although thatthat's a [TS]

  there's also the good scene where they [TS]

  where they come from Syria and said look [TS]

  you know that we know we know what you [TS]

  did here and and as calculating as [TS]

  everybody is playing their own game here [TS]

  do you know there will be there are [TS]

  there are there are a bunch of us who [TS]

  realize that you're actually the guy who [TS]

  saved the city [TS]

  he's becoming more sympathetic like yeah [TS]

  but a little but at the same time they [TS]

  establish his character so well that [TS]

  every time he does something that [TS]

  sympathetic I keep thinking out there [TS]

  they're just doing it's a trick [TS]

  he's trying to to trick me into being [TS]

  sympathetic to you you know and so every [TS]

  someone I see him making visit like we [TS]

  believe in you Tyrion I don't listen to [TS]

  him he's totally set you up yeah right [TS]

  he's trying to grow yeah i was doing and [TS]

  that it were confident that everything [TS]

  with their lives [TS]

  various Littlefinger Tyrion you know [TS]

  Tyrion is certainly certainly the most [TS]

  no I likable of the three of them but my [TS]

  self regulating and trying anyways [TS]

  no I would say Tyrion is definitely more [TS]

  an audience people through the [TS]

  calculating part where as pie cells just [TS]

  dirty little finger is creepy and [TS]

  Littlefinger you don't want to know what [TS]

  he's doing because probably it's [TS]

  something crazy and a terrace is just [TS]

  like two verses just for the game [TS]

  variares the game various and he's [TS]

  playing a long game and he's a survivor [TS]

  oh yeah he's amazing he's kind of like [TS]

  is there like he's been around since the [TS]

  Targaryen to be still there yeah [TS]

  spider in the web still there without [TS]

  without his balls get along he's got a [TS]

  lot of other things occupies although i [TS]

  do like I do like that scene with him in [TS]

  the prostitute jazz [TS]

  she thinks she's totally in control [TS]

  center now I know you are and she's [TS]

  really not just 10 angry is but the fact [TS]

  that she realizes if it was any other [TS]

  man i know exactly how to write man [TS]

  because that is my job and then she [TS]

  realizes what basically this guy is like [TS]

  kryptonite we're gonna take my trump [TS]

  card [TS]

  yeah I have no power over you right now [TS]

  it'll be nice little scene [TS]

  yeah yeah anyway so so season 2 in you [TS]

  know I last year i love the show I [TS]

  really enjoyed watching it this year [TS]

  you got HBO again specifically to watch [TS]

  it and i gotta say over those ten weeks [TS]

  which is felt like way too short a time [TS]

  sunday night comes around I'm like [TS]

  alright Game of Thrones and you know [TS]

  what there's not a lot of TV alone right [TS]

  now that I feel like I want to watch the [TS]

  night of and I'm really excited to watch [TS]

  it and I'm thinking like Oh in a couple [TS]

  of days note it's Saturday [TS]

  yeah there's a weekend but tomorrow [TS]

  night the thrones right and that's how i [TS]

  felt and madman is on the same day [TS]

  that's the other side of this was me and [TS]

  i watch The Killing as well which is [TS]

  also on the sunday sunday not monday is [TS]

  like ease the pain of ending the weekend [TS]

  so I so anyway my my my thought is I [TS]

  thought they did a really good job [TS]

  I you're more changes this year but [TS]

  there I think they're done well in the [TS]

  service of making a good show [TS]

  yes as opposed to a good novel yeah well [TS]

  I think they're on the right track of [TS]

  what they're adapting from the novel and [TS]

  what their splicing and there's not [TS]

  really any sort of big warning flags [TS]

  that I've seen so far in terms of [TS]

  missteps that they've made a donation [TS]

  I think the narrative weaknesses of the [TS]

  season are largely because there are [TS]

  things that America this is because the [TS]

  book the book put some stories on hold [TS]

  and does some sort of plate spinning for [TS]

  a while and and that's not going to get [TS]

  any better we know it your next season [TS]

  is going to be tricky because of the [TS]

  whole the split right but they've got [TS]

  what I what I like is they they seem to [TS]

  have not only they are they making some [TS]

  good decisions but they've also got [TS]

  george RR martin on board so there's [TS]

  nobody who's sort of like you're ruining [TS]

  the brilliance of the books like no [TS]

  we're telling the TV show and we're [TS]

  telling the same story but we're gonna [TS]

  figure out the ways to fix it so it [TS]

  works better as a TV show and they [TS]

  really i think they really did that [TS]

  so I was I was really happy with what [TS]

  they did yeah really it's a different [TS]

  medium you know and the story is being [TS]

  told if you want the in-depth honest and [TS]

  the occasional drawn-out relationships [TS]

  of the book then you can read the book [TS]

  it's not like that the television heroes [TS]

  replacing them you've got 10 1 our [TS]

  chapters to tell the story that's all [TS]

  that's all i got it's more than a [TS]

  two-hour movie but it's not you know a [TS]

  thousand paper money yeah it's they [TS]

  continue to be tops in both h like [TS]

  basically in production value i mean [TS]

  there's a lot of stuff that they do a [TS]

  little bit of poker poker to make sure [TS]

  it doesn't like we can't afford all [TS]

  these horses and all this nothing [TS]

  Ragan's like but they look good with a [TS]

  big place at night up right now but very [TS]

  dark out there man they do it anyway you [TS]

  can they do it in a way that it feels [TS]

  natural asterix and for me what really [TS]

  sells the show especially coming from [TS]

  having read the books is the casting [TS]

  which tends to be which continues to be [TS]

  as with season one they they think very [TS]

  hard about how do we capture this [TS]

  particular character and to my mind [TS]

  there is very little that I look at any [TS]

  of those characters and think I mean [TS]

  there are definitely times when I look [TS]

  at them and think now that's not exactly [TS]

  how I pictured that character whatever [TS]

  but the character still coming through [TS]

  like a lot like watchman when you're [TS]

  like oh you miss cast this horribly we [TS]

  have living it's like know that let's go [TS]

  they actually do have hired good actor [TS]

  especially when they're little person [TS]

  this is a show with a lot of characters [TS]

  right it's not just like well you know [TS]

  you gotta get jon snow right and you [TS]

  gotta get Ned Stark right etc etc know [TS]

  like you know again we talked about [TS]

  people like Varys and Littlefinger who [TS]

  wants my nourishment characters but [TS]

  really important and key morning [TS]

  campaigns like nail didn't agree i'm ron [TS]

  you know all these yellow stamens not [TS]

  Stannis yeah I think they look they did [TS]

  a great job and I think the production [TS]

  design helps the characters because it's [TS]

  one of those shows where when you go to [TS]

  the IMDb page are you google them or [TS]

  whatever and you see the actors out of [TS]

  class and what is status look like when [TS]

  he's not dressed up a status he just [TS]

  looks like some dude but like he looks [TS]

  like status when it like they do the [TS]

  hair and the negative and family and how [TS]

  much dirt they have on a space and just [TS]

  like everything or you know well that's [TS]

  off to their FX department and [TS]

  specifically the people who are doing [TS]

  the mats in the cgi paintings [TS]

  the effects and things like that because [TS]

  it's integrated so sara lee i watched [TS]

  the first for you you was talking to the [TS]

  screeners of that first season the first [TS]

  five episodes what we can see rocks [TS]

  it is amazing that how a naturalistic [TS]

  most of the cgi is where you wouldn't [TS]

  know but also hats off for them [TS]

  realizing less enough making this an [TS]

  international production and doing the [TS]

  smart thing that most you know probably [TS]

  cost a lot more but saying we're going [TS]

  to take a unit and we're gonna do all of [TS]

  the north of the wall stuff separately [TS]

  in Iceland we're gonna do this stuff in [TS]

  Northern Ireland and we're gonna do this [TS]

  stuff and I don't know that in Croatia I [TS]

  think they went this year that remains [TS]

  with the car that stuff i'm so so they [TS]

  feel like they're in different parts of [TS]

  the world because they're actually in [TS]

  different parts of the world right there [TS]

  is no substitute makes a difference it's [TS]

  just like it's just like back in the day [TS]

  when I was watching a when I was [TS]

  watching a star trek the next generation [TS]

  and they would go to planets and nine [TS]

  times out of ten the planet was a sound [TS]

  stash and its marching down and that he [TS]

  has evidence right and then they would [TS]

  do an episode like Darmok and they're [TS]

  like out by Vasquez rocks but it's like [TS]

  hey there outdoors it's like that's a [TS]

  real outdoors and and there's just [TS]

  something making a fake about it and so [TS]

  seeing them in Iceland and seeing them [TS]

  and Croatia even you feel like they're [TS]

  in a real world and as and that and when [TS]

  you cut between them it's like oh we're [TS]

  something really different now and the [TS]

  dragons are a little bit over the budget [TS]

  that [TS]

  yeah yeah keep it it's off i know i have [TS]

  a little bit they save it for the last [TS]

  episode but I can't if you're gonna have [TS]

  to spend more time with the Dragons [TS]

  eventually but you know right there's [TS]

  gonna be tough because like it costs a [TS]

  lot of money to living things that CJ [TS]

  when you already get away with a little [TS]

  bit with things that are real and you [TS]

  haven't happened [TS]

  I know but like that put them at like [TS]

  money set them in the dark if you don't [TS]

  come out dragon only come out at night [TS]

  or is there is actually is the shadow of [TS]

  the night dragons psle there is actually [TS]

  in fact they do that a little bit in [TS]

  some of the later books [TS]

  yeah they're dragons are kind of not [TS]

  talking about a little but we don't want [TS]

  to hear there in the dark the other the [TS]

  dark spoilers but it's interesting [TS]

  HBO post well HBO mentioned some figures [TS]

  and facts about their how much money it [TS]

  costs to produce each episode and how [TS]

  that budget went up twenty percent for [TS]

  this season specifically for the last [TS]

  two episodes and nothing else [TS]

  yeah so they did twenty percent more an [TS]

  episode [TS]

  and episodes already cost like fifty [TS]

  million dollars and then they took all [TS]

  that twenty percent they didn't spend it [TS]

  on those individual episodes put on a [TS]

  dragon it's on the Blackwater exactly [TS]

  well so here's the thing now this is [TS]

  this is the show on HBO [TS]

  this is like their show yeah and i was i [TS]

  was talking to two friend I know who is [TS]

  a friend of mine who's a TV critic and [TS]

  and what he said to me was this is their [TS]

  show they need to pony up the this is [TS]

  the time when you spend more money you [TS]

  order more episodes which they don't [TS]

  seem like they're gonna do what they're [TS]

  gonna do 10 you spend more money and you [TS]

  say you know we have an opportunity here [TS]

  this is our flagship let's not cheap it [TS]

  out [TS]

  this is this is like we're going [TS]

  together so surprised that's what we're [TS]

  gonna get our money back now because [TS]

  this is going to be a hit [TS]

  let's spend the money and I have no [TS]

  doubt that it's already an expensive [TS]

  show but I look at it and think you know [TS]

  what you guys could spend more money and [TS]

  you're gonna get it back because this [TS]

  thing is like this like really good lord [TS]

  of the rings that they bet big on Lord [TS]

  of the Rings they spend all the money's [TS]

  all the money is on all the movie and it [TS]

  paid off and as much as I like having [TS]

  more show i'm not sure that I go both [TS]

  ways on the upping the episode count [TS]

  because I feel like constraining them to [TS]

  do the show in 10 episodes makes them [TS]

  make hard choices him 12 [TS]

  yeah 13 I think that's what I'm coming [TS]

  out 20 stocks no no no you get what you [TS]

  give him 12 [TS]

  yeah and you give them a bigger budget [TS]

  very or or both her and that's when can [TS]

  I think for the next two seasons [TS]

  covering book 3 i think that they might [TS]

  need to yeah they're gonna have some [TS]

  really interesting challenges because I [TS]

  I don't think there's a logical way to [TS]

  tell that story straight through and cut [TS]

  it in the middle [TS]

  I think they're going to need a climax [TS]

  and that means that they're gonna [TS]

  they're gonna have to really change [TS]

  around the sequencing which my jean [TS]

  doing accelerating some plotline [TS]

  lengthening some other plot line which [TS]

  could be cool but it is there going to [TS]

  be going to be harder the writers have [TS]

  their work cut out for the help me god i [TS]

  hope they got these characters into [TS]

  long-term contracts are there going to [TS]

  be a seinfeld situation like that always [TS]

  on the show is famous and then and then [TS]

  the lead want ten times my Magic's also [TS]

  is because it takes them so long to make [TS]

  it and because you have a number of [TS]

  people who are young kids yeah that gets [TS]

  trickier hard before our yeah he signals [TS]

  that are in trouble for Africa so I job [TS]

  and I would look that I have no doubt [TS]

  the Joffrey will still look mrs. got [TS]

  that face is going to be punched a [TS]

  magnet for like what are ya [TS]

  like things like 37 Monty and what are [TS]

  ya can't become like you know [TS]

  yes you can be a 40 year old woman [TS]

  chain-smoking like she needs to be she [TS]

  used to be like a little girl yeah who [TS]

  could pass as a boy Monty what did you [TS]

  think about the second season you [TS]

  towards the end of the second season [TS]

  though i started watching The Borgias to [TS]

  which I thought was an interesting [TS]

  comparison in terms of episode by [TS]

  episode budget because the Borgias [TS]

  doesn't have any magic and stays largely [TS]

  in one place that has a much higher [TS]

  fancy outfit and ridiculous setting but [TS]

  they have more they're more kravat's and [TS]

  capes and more pomp and circumstance [TS]

  they have a panther there in a cage for [TS]

  no reason but there's no seats never let [TS]

  it out of the cage people that's why [TS]

  that's the reason see a couple episodes [TS]

  ago [TS]

  alright that's good that's good to know [TS]

  well so onward to onwards the season [TS]

  three of Game of Thrones in a year [TS]

  could be worse could be Sherlock out [TS]

  game of thrones good stuff i like it [TS]

  it's one of my favorites on the air [TS]

  right now so looks like everybody agrees [TS]

  alright well i think that that's going [TS]

  to close up our special wacky four [TS]

  people in a room together and somebody [TS]

  else on skype Monty thank you for being [TS]

  the odd man out sorry you're at the [TS]

  other end of the skype when we wish you [TS]

  were here and I could help [TS]

  yeah i was great it was great having you [TS]

  sorry sorry that you're you're down down [TS]

  a well or you know down a Skype [TS]

  connection but an escape it wasn't it [TS]

  was nice to have you in your wisdom with [TS]

  us and in the room i would like to thank [TS]

  my in room my in room guests damn more'n [TS]

  thanks for being here thank you for [TS]

  having me jason is a pleasure to [TS]

  actually see you in person and now i [TS]

  will poison you all just in case status [TS]

  storms that's well that's i have the ear [TS]

  poison at the ready for serenity [TS]

  Caldwell thanks for being here and by [TS]

  that I mean physically here I love being [TS]

  physically here Jason and you know if [TS]

  Dan decides to poison us well what is [TS]

  dead may never die [TS]

  Wow John siracusa it is great to see you [TS]

  in person [TS]

  and this is when i record podcast all [TS]

  the time is sort of that this late in [TS]

  the day this is much nicer i hereby [TS]

  volunteer to teleport out here anytime [TS]

  you want to record teleport you and like [TS]

  all part of a shower i'm here my son is [TS]

  working on portal technology because it [TS]

  would save him from having to walk to [TS]

  school patented it will never be able to [TS]

  patent right now is there a patent for [TS]

  portals already asked sure patented [TS]

  items don't have to work is it a [TS]

  standard essential patent for the the [TS]

  portaling standard I think valve might [TS]

  have the patent on the world's certainly [TS]

  do my portals are different green and [TS]

  orange totally different and they're [TS]

  square there on tagging Aristide the [TS]

  right it's a new invention that it's a [TS]

  new invention [TS]

  yes alright until next time the [TS]

  incomparable this is jason snow signing [TS]

  off thanks for listening [TS]

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