The Incomparable

99: Convenience Store Clerk of Dune (A Summer Reading List)


  the incomparable pod test number 99 july [TS]

  welcome back everybody to be [TS]

  uncomfortable podcast I'm your host [TS]

  Jason snail and I am joined by a [TS]

  fantastic panel today to create [TS]

  something we're going to call the [TS]

  incomparable summer reading list are you [TS]

  somebody who lives in within hemisphere [TS]

  if not we apologize but we all are so [TS]

  we're going to say that it's summer and [TS]

  we're going to come up with some [TS]

  suggestions for books mostly sci-fi [TS]

  novels but we may cheat a little bit [TS]

  just things we like books we like we're [TS]

  not going to go heavy into the spoilers [TS]

  i think books we like that we think you [TS]

  should read and at the end of this there [TS]

  will be a wonderful list that will be [TS]

  posted at five by five TV / incomparable [TS]

  / 99 and it will be books that we at [TS]

  least some of us endorse and think that [TS]

  you should read if you haven't read them [TS]

  yet it's that simple [TS]

  and if you're saying to yourself this [TS]

  sounds Jason a little bit like you're [TS]

  doing a book draft but not calling it [TS]

  that you are very clever person and also [TS]

  very handsome i must say anyway [TS]

  joining me today to draft some books and [TS]

  talk about books we love our Dan Morgan [TS]

  hi dan I Jason I'm glad to be [TS]

  participating in this experiment in [TS]

  literacy that's good we will let you [TS]

  know the results one more time [TS]

  Scott McNulty is also here of course [TS]

  because he is the most well-read amongst [TS]

  hi Scott [TS]

  hello I'm also joined by serenity [TS]

  Caldwell hi thanks for being here [TS]

  yeah I'm happy to be here Jason I didn't [TS]

  think I would be able to but I managed [TS]

  to scrounge up some books [TS]

  that's good just got in under the wire [TS]

  and exactly and lex friedman is the [TS]

  least read among us but no but he's here [TS]

  anyway I'll I know I I don't think it's [TS]

  fair to say the least read i will say [TS]

  I'm the least qualified to appear on [TS]

  this podcast I side up what it was just [TS]

  a generic book draft but I still feel [TS]

  confident that I can contribute [TS]

  something at the very least the ability [TS]

  to be mocked mercilessly [TS]

  yes your confidence will be your undoing [TS]

  you may you may be mocked for not being [TS]

  key enough and that would make you [TS]

  perhaps one of the first people to be [TS]

  much so and also Glenn Fleischman is [TS]

  here hi Glenn [TS]

  hello [TS]

  I have no German books on my list okay [TS]

  and no Jermaine books that's also [TS]

  correct I would be less good [TS]

  alright so i am not going to be a cruel [TS]

  taskmaster and force a draft order here [TS]

  i'm going to just say the ground rules [TS]

  are of course if somebody else picture [TS]

  book you don't get to pick it but that's [TS]

  okay we're all friends here you can just [TS]

  you can file a concurring opinion so [TS]

  yeah that's it that is a great book good [TS]

  pic and when Glenn pics a book that [TS]

  we've never heard of we can say okay [TS]

  Glen so that's gonna be how this works [TS]

  for now this challenge that's how it [TS]

  always works [TS]

  damn or and why don't you go first then [TS]

  I'm gonna go first i'm gonna pick a and [TS]

  this is a science fiction book so i [TS]

  think i can check that box well done [TS]

  thank you thank you I'm done I'm done [TS]

  off to a good start a science-fiction [TS]

  book okay that's good look at that's my [TS]

  selection a science-fiction book so my [TS]

  first book is a book called altered [TS]

  carbon by a man named Richard K Morgan [TS]

  which is a sci-fi book i think that's [TS]

  about [TS]

  I wanna say early to mid-2000s and what [TS]

  I like about this book is that it's [TS]

  basically a neo-noir mystery set in the [TS]

  future in which people are variously [TS]

  downloaded into bodies that they call [TS]

  sleeves and that's sort of how they live [TS]

  out their existence and the book centers [TS]

  around one particular character whose [TS]

  name I'm going to butcher which but i [TS]

  think which is a to take a chico batch [TS]

  who is especially trained sort of a [TS]

  special ops guy he's an envoy i love [TS]

  that this is the future because you can [TS]

  tell it's the future and somewhat [TS]

  implausible because the like highly [TS]

  trained military convoys work for the [TS]

  United Nations in the future which I [TS]

  find entirely implausible but that's [TS]

  probably the most impossible thing in [TS]

  the book people gettin downloaded their [TS]

  consciousness downloaded different [TS]

  bodies you can't what about the United [TS]

  Nation relevant for the move but anyways [TS]

  he is sort of sucked into this mystery [TS]

  investigation and it's it's a great book [TS]

  it's really atmospheric reminded me in [TS]

  some ways of all the stuff i like the [TS]

  best from neuromancer which is sort of [TS]

  that that future bizarre future that's [TS]

  kind of like quite blade runner ask but [TS]

  its its kind of alien but the same time [TS]

  has these really recognize [TS]

  elements and it is probably the only [TS]

  book you will read in which one of the [TS]

  main characters is a hotel one of them [TS]

  one of them [TS]

  yeah it's followed by a couple sequels I [TS]

  didn't think either the sequel's were as [TS]

  good as the first one they take a kind [TS]

  of different tone and it I've read most [TS]

  of this guy's books and it is altered [TS]

  carbon is definitely my favorite and i [TS]

  would go so far as to call it one of the [TS]

  one of the best sci-fi books from the [TS]

  last decade [TS]

  wow ok altered carbon anybody else read [TS]

  that one of her life i have read it [TS]

  Scott you do you like it huh who knows i [TS]

  read it was gonna happen [TS]

  well you've even forgotten whether you [TS]

  like it I don't like it i did buy the [TS]

  sequel I haven't read the sequel that [TS]

  that hurts stick with the stick with the [TS]

  first moments the definitely the best [TS]

  throw the sequel in the wood chipper [TS]

  I will put it in the recycling bin okay [TS]

  that's even better [TS]

  Scott McNulty do you have a selection i [TS]

  do so I was unclear as to the format of [TS]

  tonight's show ok so was I and I came up [TS]

  with it so both excellent so i decided [TS]

  that i would just pick whatever the heck [TS]

  I want that so now if you are very clear [TS]

  on the format then excellent it wasn't [TS]

  whatever and we'll call it something [TS]

  else yes [TS]

  so one of the first books that i read [TS]

  that really set the course for my [TS]

  science fiction reading life [TS]

  isaac asimov's foundation trilogy which [TS]

  I i know many people are conflicted [TS]

  about isaac asimov because he was [TS]

  probably not the best writer in the [TS]

  world are he was quite prolific and he [TS]

  did he was part of kind of the be the [TS]

  golden age of science fiction writers [TS]

  that with all the pulp writers were [TS]

  around so you know he was a robber [TS]

  highland and you know lots of other [TS]

  people that whose names now escape me [TS]

  were writing at the same time in the the [TS]

  late fifties early sixties and so he [TS]

  wrote this foundation trilogy which is [TS]

  basically a sci-fi retelling of the fall [TS]

  of the Roman Empire I and and he it's [TS]

  just it really impacted me when I read [TS]

  it the first time because of [TS]

  it was the sweeping story of this this [TS]

  giant Galactic Empire and this character [TS]

  called Harry Sullivan who creates this [TS]

  form of predicting the future called [TS]

  psychohistory and he he goes to the [TS]

  Emperor who is on this planet called [TS]

  transit or that's a giant city planet [TS]

  which may sound familiar to some star [TS]

  wars fans who and so he tells the effort [TS]

  you know therefore the Empire is going [TS]

  to fall [TS]

  I know what it's going to fall and it [TS]

  will take 2,000 years for the Second [TS]

  Empire to rise unless we do what I tell [TS]

  you to do and then we'll take a thousand [TS]

  years and so he sets up this foundation [TS]

  to that basically preserves the human [TS]

  knowledge and can help the galaxy [TS]

  through the dark age but then also he [TS]

  sets up a second foundation that is [TS]

  really there to protect the humanity and [TS]

  Isaac has enough uses a this kind of [TS]

  this this this entries from this [TS]

  encyclopedia Galactica to to kind of [TS]

  tell you what's going on in the story [TS]

  which a lot of other science-fiction [TS]

  writers and pick up as a kind of trope [TS]

  that they use so he set a lot of things [TS]

  for the first time in this this series [TS]

  that a lot of other people have used [TS]

  over the last 50 years so it's a very [TS]

  important piece of science fiction [TS]

  it is also very much of its time so if [TS]

  you're reading it and expecting a [TS]

  science-fiction of like you know our our [TS]

  day you're going to be disappointed it's [TS]

  certainly reflects its time but i think [TS]

  it is well worth a read and the three [TS]

  books in the trilogy are altogether [TS]

  shorter than a lot of the current novels [TS]

  that are out now from the [TS]

  science-fiction writers so it's well [TS]

  worth a look [TS]

  yeah he would I don't know about him [TS]

  being bad right he's not a stylist right [TS]

  hehe just his style is very basic or as [TS]

  somebody in the chatroom just said karen [TS]

  j healey his pro styles like an IBM 360 [TS]

  operating manual that got drunk one [TS]

  evening and decided to be a novel [TS]

  instead and that's really not that far [TS]

  off a very kind of workmen like pros but [TS]

  some really fascinating ideas now I see [TS]

  Glenn said that the first heat up the [TS]

  first book and foundation was good [TS]

  but the rest not so much is that using [TS]

  see i disagree i think the first book [TS]

  for me is one of the most dull but I [TS]

  think foundation an empire which is the [TS]

  second book really kicks it up a notch [TS]

  and gets more interesting i guess the [TS]

  third is pretty awful but i don't [TS]

  remember the third I like someone the [TS]

  later ones i felt like asthma style got [TS]

  a little better so some of the ones that [TS]

  go back and do the prequel yeah I found [TS]

  much more like I was a prelude to [TS]

  foundation and for the foundation i [TS]

  found was much more accessible i don't [TS]

  know if you could argue they're better [TS]

  books but I like the first one best [TS]

  because it was that its empire building [TS]

  right it's like with all the ideas are [TS]

  fresh and all the exposition is there [TS]

  and I thought it was so clever i think [TS]

  you're right maybe the second one [TS]

  actually is better like it moves Morris [TS]

  was not as much exposition but you have [TS]

  a little more you have a little more [TS]

  plot right you got the mule that comes [TS]

  in which is sort of that's the part i [TS]

  remember being really excited right love [TS]

  ya and that's a good that's a good [TS]

  hidden thing like you don't realize i [TS]

  mean at some point I don't think the [TS]

  first time I read it I got it until the [TS]

  and you're like oh okay that makes sense [TS]

  but it's just like it's some good faints [TS]

  and double faints and he doesn't he [TS]

  doesn't Telegraph everything that's [TS]

  going to happen some of its obvious and [TS]

  especially now because everything that [TS]

  he did was absorbed into other records [TS]

  later works but i mean i think it is [TS]

  literally a Scot says it's it's the [TS]

  foundation of modern science fiction as [TS]

  you can't walk away from the ideas in [TS]

  the book because everyone read them and [TS]

  then they even if they hated it [TS]

  what they wrote was an opposition it's [TS]

  like atheists and the Bible right I I [TS]

  have to say I really enjoyed some of as [TS]

  most other works i have a soft spot for [TS]

  caves of steel which is his is murder [TS]

  mystery and the with a robot are jhoniel [TS]

  when lava la who which which actually [TS]

  not spoil too much which actually does [TS]

  link in with foundation that area [TS]

  yes but I i really enjoy that trilogy [TS]

  that he has with the Elijah Baley and [TS]

  Rdio lot solving mysteries and in [TS]

  various planets and stuff like that i [TS]

  can remember like I can remember that [TS]

  feeling of when when the way what's the [TS]

  fellows name the human work he works [TS]

  with daily my daily record which it goes [TS]

  on the surface the planet has never [TS]

  really been on the surface of the planet [TS]

  and just forces himself to do in that [TS]

  sense of being out of the terror of [TS]

  being an open space because he's lived [TS]

  his life underground you're like wow [TS]

  it's just that was actually some good [TS]

  writing [TS]

  ya know i think i think as much some [TS]

  some of this stuff is better [TS]

  and other stuff but foundation does and [TS]

  questionably sort of the the standard by [TS]

  which he is judged i think it's [TS]

  certainly the most influential work [TS]

  the big problem is there's all these was [TS]

  a great bear and some of the other some [TS]

  moderate size pictures were hired to [TS]

  write additional foundation books and [TS]

  those are sort of i've read a couple of [TS]

  them and I just remember anything except [TS]

  my screaming bad idea [TS]

  yeah and i am a devout as an offensive [TS]

  I've read all of his novels and I I like [TS]

  them all [TS]

  I do realize you know he's he's like [TS]

  jason said he's working so he likes [TS]

  water as let me ask you as an asthma fan [TS]

  i want to ask you i heard i remember [TS]

  when i was a kid I remember hearing this [TS]

  trivia that he had written something in [TS]

  every category of the dewey decimal [TS]

  system that is true and iíve also i [TS]

  don't know if it's true but that it is [TS]

  often said that he had it is it is an [TS]

  anti I don't know with your first get [TS]

  going to get that is true that is true [TS]

  it is uh i have read that I I cannot [TS]

  confirm whether or not it is true he had [TS]

  two previous it's true that he did it [TS]

  for all 10 major categories of pound ok [TS]

  but not sort of categories know and he [TS]

  was it was constantly writing he's also [TS]

  he has a PhD in chemistry he was he was [TS]

  a well at an accomplishment I've read [TS]

  his autobiography i'll have a great you [TS]

  know this is a joke but his [TS]

  autobiography over the title is in [TS]

  memory yet green and there's a sequel [TS]

  and he was asked to go use a line from [TS]

  poetry and then apparently he just [TS]

  invented a poem it's actually nice [TS]

  little poem but it was so convincing [TS]

  people thought it was some older you [TS]

  know 19th century work but he had [TS]

  borrowed from as a mom as well if a task [TS]

  out your sky was gonna ask it's like it [TS]

  usually takes a lifetime to read azimoff [TS]

  so you must be how many years old are [TS]

  you Scott [TS]

  i was born in 1887 that's right he just [TS]

  put the books under the pillow at night [TS]

  and wakes up having read them [TS]

  that's that's right alright so there is [TS]

  a as mob we have two items [TS]

  although really the foundation trilogy [TS]

  is more than one item but will let Scott [TS]

  have it [TS]

  let's move on to glen plan what is your [TS]

  selection and if it is in German then [TS]

  you will have to describe it in German [TS]

  it is not in channel right okay honey in [TS]

  English go tom [TS]

  I think I'm gonna pick do [TS]

  if we're picking great sprawling things [TS]

  and i can say with absolute definitive [TS]

  certainty that dude you should be doing [TS]

  and then forget that the word do exist [TS]

  in any other book title after that [TS]

  ah but the first book i mean i remember [TS]

  reading that this is one of these books [TS]

  are as a you know it's always a early [TS]

  teenager somewhere around there and I [TS]

  was totally absorbed by he created an [TS]

  entire universe full of improbable [TS]

  things that all sort of has some [TS]

  self-consistency and its mystical and [TS]

  there are these crazy [TS]

  none order that are like creating you're [TS]

  using genetics to bring about some kind [TS]

  of Messiah was going to unite the [TS]

  universe their giant sandworms and these [TS]

  evil horrible you know houses and it's [TS]

  just I think it's a great sprawling mass [TS]

  and it's very enjoyable great read and [TS]

  then freestanding you don't need to read [TS]

  please don't read the others because [TS]

  you'll be so disappointed is good in the [TS]

  summer because it's a very hot planet so [TS]

  if you're outright heat or you're [TS]

  beating the heat by staying inside you [TS]

  can you can kind of imagine the heat of [TS]

  the planet dude I i read dune in the [TS]

  summer in a hammock when I was growing [TS]

  up in high school and just like 90 [TS]

  degree heat and some iced tea and out my [TS]

  hammock reading when i read i don't know [TS]

  how many books in that hammock but doing [TS]

  what I remember about it is that it was [TS]

  one of the first really long books that [TS]

  i read because it's like five computers [TS]

  long [TS]

  yeah and my review of it at the time was [TS]

  well it's pretty good after the first [TS]

  200 pages there's a lot of setup but i [TS]

  think i would argue actually the setup [TS]

  on a second reading is better because [TS]

  there's all this stuff that's like the [TS]

  house of Arcola in the house of the [TS]

  trade is a blog global you're like okay [TS]

  don't get it and then the intricacy goes [TS]

  in later and you come back and one that [TS]

  there's a lot of stuff in there too that [TS]

  I sort of like because it's um it's he's [TS]

  trying to throw he was trying to [TS]

  overthrow tropes there are so many [TS]

  trucks and this is sort of i think this [TS]

  was considered one of the first [TS]

  environmentalist science-fiction novels [TS]

  that there's a bent about you know it is [TS]

  the country he does the trope of like [TS]

  the noble native you know the people who [TS]

  are the framing on [TS]

  the planet Arrakis known as doing are [TS]

  you know noble and this great culture [TS]

  and the Warriors but they're tender and [TS]

  kind and they have secret names in the [TS]

  tribe and they're secretly gathering all [TS]

  the scarce water on the planet to turn [TS]

  it into a green planet one day to [TS]

  unleash the water and just like you know [TS]

  wheels within wheels and anyway it's [TS]

  just I don't know I just I have a fond [TS]

  spot for it and the movie of it just by [TS]

  the way I'm it was reviewed so horribly [TS]

  David Lynch movie I've seen it again i [TS]

  watched it I think it's not in the [TS]

  theaters and I seen it again not that [TS]

  long ago it has a kind of charm to it I [TS]

  will kill him things fact that i love [TS]

  staying a lot of big helper air and love [TS]

  them as a friend rather Patrick students [TS]

  am I my favorite I'll o'clock and b is [TS]

  the the naming scheme and he goes on to [TS]

  like children of dune and my god emperor [TS]

  of dune and convenience store clerk of [TS]

  dune like 36 years ready to keep going [TS]

  pretty much the entire time [TS]

  oh my god they just are so horrible i [TS]

  read them all I can't imagine i read [TS]

  them all i would keep picking I got you [TS]

  through shame this one can and then his [TS]

  son started riding with other people i [TS]

  think i read one or two of those and it [TS]

  was like no no it's pretty mother to [TS]

  death [TS]

  it's pretty much the death of any [TS]

  franchise I feel like when I definitely [TS]

  want a relative takes it over but but [TS]

  almost almost when anybody takes over [TS]

  white piano starts writing in somebody [TS]

  else's world with rare exceptions it's [TS]

  pretty much always like that is the time [TS]

  to give up i don't recommend there was a [TS]

  young made for TV series version of it [TS]

  that was much closer to my channel [TS]

  yeah yeah it wasn't it wasn't fantastic [TS]

  i thought it was a good watch that I [TS]

  thought that any service was good yeah [TS]

  yeah yeah it was good it was well done [TS]

  not the sequel that that fits with the [TS]

  books so haha that's true the original [TS]

  source i would say the dune again as one [TS]

  of those things that echoes in the minds [TS]

  of other writers so even if they aren't [TS]

  trying to ape Herbert style in that [TS]

  first and only good book i also have the [TS]

  way plagued by him as I say doing his [TS]

  first and only good book that the they [TS]

  pick up all these elements the things [TS]

  about travel between the stars and [TS]

  having these navigators who need a kind [TS]

  of drug to let them to enter hyperspace [TS]

  where do we see that mental state oh yes [TS]

  embassy town you know so you [TS]

  reactive across decades and decades to [TS]

  come from it and shine mr. town when [TS]

  someone is trying to provoke 10 more [TS]

  minutes [TS]

  let's work let's move on to Lex Friedman [TS]

  who has a as a selection that will be [TS]

  less science-fictional I suspect that's [TS]

  ok Lex what do you have a trice you are [TS]

  correct and i will say that i was [TS]

  talking with my wife who is a very big [TS]

  sci-fi fan before we started taping and [TS]

  she said she disapproved of all three of [TS]

  my choices saying the word science [TS]

  fictiony enough [TS]

  why is she on the show and it's a great [TS]

  question but my first choice its is the [TS]

  time traveler's wife which I believe [TS]

  you've discussed in Latin relax i was [TS]

  gonna pick that so don't feel bad i was [TS]

  gonna act as one of my know it occurred [TS]

  to it occurred to me my lieutenant [TS]

  that's a valid scientific it is [TS]

  absolutely is one of the better [TS]

  portrayals of some of time travel travel [TS]

  right well that's exactly what i was [TS]

  going to say is you know I i love time [TS]

  travel watch any movie with time travel [TS]

  i have seen those and I'll read any book [TS]

  about time travel because I I'm [TS]

  fascinated by it and when we did when we [TS]

  talked about back to the future sometime [TS]

  back we talked about how back to the [TS]

  futures rules of time-travel are the [TS]

  ones that if you if your fiction follows [TS]

  those rules you don't have to explain [TS]

  them because that's how everybody now [TS]

  understand such a time-travel thanks to [TS]

  that movie right [TS]

  the time traveler's wife obviously does [TS]

  not take that approach it goes a very [TS]

  different way in a way that I as time [TS]

  travel goes it seems in some ways more [TS]

  logical i agree i makes considerably [TS]

  more sense and and I and I felt like it [TS]

  was good for summer reading list because [TS]

  it's also you know it's a love story and [TS]

  it's romance and that's you know that's [TS]

  the kind of light-hearted fair you want [TS]

  but I mean I can't believe it's her [TS]

  I don't know how to pronounce your name [TS]

  so I'm not even trying with audrey and a [TS]

  head the niffenegger like so I can't [TS]

  believe it's her first novel and I think [TS]

  it's just so very brilliantly put [TS]

  together and assembled in the the story [TS]

  is is obviously it's it's told in a [TS]

  linear fashion that is not at all in any [TS]

  sense of the term linear linear and I [TS]

  just I think it's excellent i really [TS]

  i've read it more than once I enjoyed [TS]

  every single time i get new things for [TS]

  what each time the movie is terrible but [TS]

  the book is really i found just [TS]

  excellent and an excellent handling of [TS]

  of time travel and really not just [TS]

  enforcing its own time travel rules but [TS]

  truly sticking to them and respecting [TS]

  what those rules would be the [TS]

  anybody who watch Doctor Who in the [TS]

  Steven Moffat era has gotten the river [TS]

  song story is very much a Time [TS]

  Traveler's Wife a influence let's say [TS]

  storyline and and the nice thing about [TS]

  the time traveler's wife is that the [TS]

  storyline and the timelines are [TS]

  internally consistent and that's what [TS]

  what I really like about it is it is [TS]

  using and we have talked about this [TS]

  before but i love it so much that i'm [TS]

  happy i was going to talk about it again [TS]

  you know it it's it's got all the [TS]

  ramifications of being up unstuck in [TS]

  time and how you're seeing this [TS]

  relationship from different vantage [TS]

  points from the two characters and it's [TS]

  it is touching and it talks about the [TS]

  fact that all relationships and all [TS]

  lives and and that in it but it does it [TS]

  in the strange way where you different [TS]

  you know the last time that they see [TS]

  each other is different for each person [TS]

  which is fascinating [TS]

  I loved it a lot hurt her apparently i [TS]

  think my wife tried to reach her second [TS]

  book and it wasn't very good but this [TS]

  terrible i didn't i didn't even get past [TS]

  like three chapters but this is a great [TS]

  book i love this book so I think that's [TS]

  a great pic Lex [TS]

  thank you i don't want to spoil anything [TS]

  to but it's a it's emotional the whole [TS]

  way through the early ends that just [TS]

  grab you and pull you and hurt you [TS]

  that's great don't watch the movie read [TS]

  the book can isolate my my criticism the [TS]

  book is not that it's a bad book I [TS]

  actually loved it until i reached the [TS]

  point in which she telegraph was gonna [TS]

  happen so strongly I had to put it down [TS]

  because i was too invested in the [TS]

  characters and I mean exactly what's [TS]

  going to happen and I can I don't know [TS]

  how many pages in it was like I cannot [TS]

  read this anymore because I'm going to [TS]

  scream and cry so she doesn't tell I [TS]

  mean it's time travel right i mean it's [TS]

  hard after I know but it but it's time [TS]

  travel I mean that's the whole point is [TS]

  she knows and the character knows that [TS]

  something terrible is going to happen [TS]

  and I think she could have done a better [TS]

  job of of manipulating the streams all [TS]

  I'm because you have no heart [TS]

  alright well I liked it I liked it [TS]

  thumbs up as well [TS]

  look at that oh yes i am so proud of [TS]

  myself right now [TS]

  Lex when that happens to relax you [TS]

  actually get important at this time [TS]

  minus a minus points to a Glen because [TS]

  he's rocking that's right and i make i [TS]

  have made up in volumes so far ahead [TS]

  the 1i have not right you shouldn't you [TS]

  should read that Scott I think you might [TS]

  even like it because i liked it and you [TS]

  and I like things [TS]

  true in my wife it's one of her favorite [TS]

  books see there you go there's lots of [TS]

  recently lights it's in my top center [TS]

  yeah it seems like a lady book to me i [TS]

  don't know if that's true it is you know [TS]

  in the summer [TS]

  Scott in the summertime i like to wear [TS]

  always outside with a beverage and and [TS]

  and let the breeze blow over me and if [TS]

  thats ladylike then so be it [TS]

  read my lady book i'm casting their [TS]

  judgments are just saying that's what it [TS]

  struck me my next choice is fifty Shades [TS]

  of Grey serenity Caldwell you're up [TS]

  what do you think well um actually been [TS]

  read the time traveler's wife so I will [TS]

  refrain from commenting on lexus pic I [TS]

  in terms of my own summer reading if i [TS]

  go back most of all of the books that i [TS]

  read during the summer read at a cabin [TS]

  by the lake and this cabin had lots of [TS]

  older books so a lot of my pics are from [TS]

  the 1970s sixties fifties forties so [TS]

  it'll make the things a little bit [TS]

  interesting but I also i went to the [TS]

  local library and so in addition to that [TS]

  i would read like I read lots and lots [TS]

  of star wars books growing up because it [TS]

  was just readily available and there [TS]

  were a lot of them and I could get [TS]

  through them quickly but the one book [TS]

  that I kept on coming back to besides [TS]

  the large amount of Tim's and other [TS]

  wonderful writers that I kept coming [TS]

  back to I was Madeline legals wrinkle in [TS]

  time which is 0 will possibly one of my [TS]

  top five favorite books but it's also [TS]

  choice as well relax tesseract there is [TS]

  such a thing as a tender act so this is [TS]

  the book that mean I mean there are [TS]

  other books in this in this series are [TS]

  not in their competitors but in my pics [TS]

  that will indicate my love of science as [TS]

  a young child but this was really my [TS]

  love of science fiction science where I [TS]

  picked up this book and I'm like oh my [TS]

  god interstellar time and space travel [TS]

  this is blowing my mind and it's all [TS]

  identifiable kids you know when your god [TS]

  I must have been seven or eight when I [TS]

  first picked this book up and then i [TS]

  read it you know through the through my [TS]

  teen years and there's someone to [TS]

  identify with as you grow up with this [TS]

  book whether you're you know Charles [TS]

  Wallace's age or you get up to megs age [TS]

  you know you really [TS]

  you can go through the book and find [TS]

  something new every time and that's what [TS]

  i really really adore about this book [TS]

  and then also there the missus which the [TS]

  interdimensional spirit / stars / we [TS]

  don't quite understand what they are but [TS]

  they're you know they can travel through [TS]

  time so it's it's cool and it's you know [TS]

  a good versus evil battle where the good [TS]

  folks are artists and scientists and the [TS]

  bad you know big big black things and [TS]

  and I'm not going to spoil the ending of [TS]

  the book for the people who haven't read [TS]

  it and if you haven't read what are you [TS]

  doing listening to this podcast go read [TS]

  it right now it is the perfect summer [TS]

  read i haven't read it but my guess is [TS]

  at the end time gets Botox and no longer [TS]

  has a wrinkle is that right [TS]

  something like that standpoint selects [TS]

  minus ten points yesterday sorry you're [TS]

  gonna get influenced and again but yeah [TS]

  I really love this book and I and it's [TS]

  sequels are also very good i actually [TS]

  one of one of its sequels many waters is [TS]

  a sequel a little bit down the ways [TS]

  which involves the sum of the wrinkled [TS]

  time folks going back to know was time I [TS]

  believe so basically playing with the [TS]

  idea of Bible characters and that is a [TS]

  very interesting book for very different [TS]

  reasons but also a good summary so [TS]

  that's my my pitch for a wrinkle in time [TS]

  and its successors and also i know for [TS]

  those people who don't like lots of [TS]

  words there's a graphic novel coming out [TS]

  this fall which is also i am very [TS]

  excited for because the person is doing [TS]

  the not the graphic novels like [TS]

  absolutely in love with a wrinkle in [TS]

  time and she's like oh my god this has [TS]

  been my favorite project to work on so [TS]

  I'm crossing my fingers that this will [TS]

  be yet another thing i can add to my reg [TS]

  one-time bookshelf for haters of words [TS]

  or lovers of groundwater levels of [TS]

  graphic novels that I mean they're still [TS]

  quite a few words and i think the [TS]

  graphic novel is going to be something [TS]

  like for 500 pages so it's there's no [TS]

  there's not going to be a dearth of [TS]

  words just more pictures [TS]

  alright that's it that's a classic what [TS]

  I still have my paperback copy i believe [TS]

  from [TS]

  when I was a kid that's in my daughter's [TS]

  bookshelf now uh-huh that's great one [TS]

  alright i guess it's my turn I know I [TS]

  get a turn [TS]

  it's shocking because we've been here [TS]

  forever and this is the end of the first [TS]

  round so we're gonna have to go faster [TS]

  but I i have a bunch of different things [TS]

  here i'm not really sure what what to to [TS]

  go with first so I'm gonna go with the [TS]

  obscurity route with the first pick and [TS]

  I i was always a big fan of the [TS]

  cyberpunk genre and you know william [TS]

  gibson's neuromancer was you know just [TS]

  blew me away when it came out and i [TS]

  would be an obvious choice and i'm not [TS]

  going to pick it so then then my choice [TS]

  was I think there's a Gibson book that [TS]

  may be better than neuromancer and I may [TS]

  get to it but instead i'm going to go [TS]

  with a much more obscure cyberpunk book [TS]

  from 1986 it's called when gravity fails [TS]

  by George Alec a finger but it was a [TS]

  Scot McNulty seal of approval [TS]

  check it out it was a nebula nominee was [TS]

  a hugo nominee it is set in a cyberpunk [TS]

  middle-eastern locale it's area it's a [TS]

  kind of an Islamic culture that is is [TS]

  dominant and predominant the it is it is [TS]

  a new war kind of story [TS]

  the the main character is married now [TS]

  drawn i think it Murray did is they you [TS]

  know he's kind of got a bad job and he [TS]

  he's involved with like criminals and [TS]

  there's this whole like organized crime [TS]

  system in the place where he lives and [TS]

  his girlfriend is a let me see if I can [TS]

  get this straight [TS]

  it was born male has been changed into a [TS]

  female and now works as a prostitute and [TS]

  she and the other prostitutes are sort [TS]

  of like Marines buddies in this kind of [TS]

  underworld setting and he gets into the [TS]

  store into trouble [TS]

  there are these things that you can [TS]

  stick in people's heads that modify [TS]

  their brains you know it's a great [TS]

  cyberpunk novel it is really widely [TS]

  known and it's kind of a mind-blowing [TS]

  story it is you know maybe we'll from [TS]

  literary merit perspectives not as great [TS]

  as some of the gibson stuff but i think [TS]

  under [TS]

  appreciated and I just remember these [TS]

  three novels its first myth series being [TS]

  just fantastic when i read them I was [TS]

  blown away by them they're they're so [TS]

  different in a in setting and in mood [TS]

  while still having this great kind of [TS]

  nor underworld you know crime story [TS]

  happening which like a lot of the [TS]

  cyberpunk stuff but it really it has [TS]

  stuck with me to this day so when [TS]

  gravity fails is my choice and I'm glad [TS]

  it got the McNulty not there [TS]

  that's good well you win the the first [TS]

  book in this list that I have not read [TS]

  haha 2 i'll have to put that on my list [TS]

  it's good aware of that it is in it [TS]

  isn't printed tour is publishing now in [TS]

  Georgia like a finger actually very good [TS]

  writer and sadly was a very ill for a [TS]

  long time the huge hospital bills and I [TS]

  remember he had it is like apartment [TS]

  burned down and and Harlan Ellison did [TS]

  this thing where they raise money to try [TS]

  and pay his bills and and and and then [TS]

  he died fairly young and while writing [TS]

  the fourth book in the series about 10 [TS]

  years ago i think so [TS]

  which is a real shame sort of sad life [TS]

  but I left some great work behind so [TS]

  George Alec a finger and I got the the [TS]

  Scot McMillan thumbs up in the damn [TS]

  morning huh [TS]

  so I consider that 242 uh oh man points [TS]

  thank you though I get points excellent [TS]

  i wish someone has on writing being [TS]

  let's go to dan moore and for a second [TS]

  selection dan back back around to the [TS]

  top all right well I'm gonna I'm gonna [TS]

  borrow page from the electromagnet [TS]

  playbook for a book about time travel [TS]

  very much very different from the first [TS]

  book i suggested and that is connie [TS]

  willis is to say nothing of the dog [TS]

  which is one of my favorite part that [TS]

  was on my list to as in mitotic area i'm [TS]

  wearing john against grace and tell you [TS]

  I've read it though so it's an excellent [TS]

  excellent book it's one of she's written [TS]

  I don't know four or five books now [TS]

  about this particular time travel which [TS]

  is to say but one of the things I like [TS]

  about is her time to books are always [TS]

  very grounded in the period to which the [TS]

  people travel so in some ways they're [TS]

  more like historical fiction to say [TS]

  nothing of the dog is my fav [TS]

  it because unlike the other one [TS]

  many of the other ones she writes about [TS]

  it's funny it's really really really [TS]

  funny like like laugh-out-loud put the [TS]

  book down because i'm crying funny and [TS]

  basically it involves some characters [TS]

  who are academics from Oxford going back [TS]

  to i think it's the is the nineteen [TS]

  twenties or so right yeah that's not a [TS]

  time period but back when back it when [TS]

  cats weren't extinct [TS]

  yeah it's sort of a it's sort of a [TS]

  mystery and sort of a comedy of manners [TS]

  and it's just it's incredibly delightful [TS]

  and I think it's really got me is I had [TS]

  not read anything by connie was proud of [TS]

  that and I think someone gave that book [TS]

  to me and I was like I was kinda [TS]

  interesting i'll start reading it and I [TS]

  loved it so much that I've gone back and [TS]

  reread many of her other books which are [TS]

  several of which were also close [TS]

  competitors on this list but to say [TS]

  nothing of the dog remains my favorite [TS]

  and I think that is because she manages [TS]

  to capture this beautiful madcap I say [TS]

  Woodhouse Ian a comedy aspect and I just [TS]

  I adore PG Wodehouse and I think she [TS]

  manages to sort of tapping to his psyche [TS]

  here with this with the comedy in to say [TS]

  nothing of the dog yeah I'm funny [TS]

  justjust I mean it is there are not that [TS]

  many site syfy comedies there are some [TS]

  yeah this is a sign right now well as [TS]

  done hilarious and I i think that you [TS]

  know for me it got started on the the [TS]

  thing that got me laughing so hard the [TS]

  first time I read it was that [TS]

  so in this university suffer from time [TS]

  lag as one might suffer from jet lag but [TS]

  one of the symptoms of time lag is [TS]

  increased sentimentality and so that's [TS]

  what the characters talking to a dog [TS]

  about our dog man's best friend you [TS]

  truly are better than the other [TS]

  characters are going like are you [TS]

  alright and so I think that does my [TS]

  favorite if you want the sort of darker [TS]

  turn on that one [TS]

  Doomsday vault which is also very good [TS]

  but extremely depressing and like you [TS]

  know is the tragedy to the comedy [TS]

  guessing everybody let's time travel to [TS]

  the Black Plague I is everything [TS]

  everybody dies [TS]

  basically yeah yeah and then and then [TS]

  sort of in the middle ground there you [TS]

  get the blackout all-clear ideology and [TS]

  then I think she wrote a short story as [TS]

  well fire watch which also [TS]

  so is in the same universe right and [TS]

  yeah and several other books are good [TS]

  I'd say they close the close runner-up [TS]

  there and it's less science-fictiony but [TS]

  the close runner-up for my favorite book [TS]

  by his bellwether which is a short [TS]

  adorable little book that we're out [TS]

  there but connie willis and authors but [TS]

  it is worth checking out and to say [TS]

  nothing of the dog in particular is my [TS]

  favorite good call let's move on to [TS]

  Scott McNulty yeah I I wasn't prepared [TS]

  to move about [TS]

  ah so in keeping with your cyberpunk of [TS]

  recommendation Jason I will i mentioned [TS]

  a book that is not to inform cyberpunk [TS]

  as a genre although when I read it I [TS]

  didn't pick up on that all the stars my [TS]

  destination by alfred bester oh yeah [TS]

  which is fantastic book also a kind of [TS]

  dark because the main character is a [TS]

  completely overtaken with a crazed needs [TS]

  to exact revenge he starts off the book [TS]

  it basically kind of a stuck in a Life [TS]

  pod in space basically for for many many [TS]

  months and a ship comes by anything so [TS]

  they're gonna pick me up but they don't [TS]

  and then through a series of events he [TS]

  gets out and then he he decides that he [TS]

  needs to get his revenge upon the the [TS]

  crew of the ship [TS]

  it's a very complicated book and this [TS]

  plot to a kind of the synopsis but the [TS]

  things that you need to remember is the [TS]

  the character main character crash-lands [TS]

  on this this planet that is constructed [TS]

  of discarded spaceships and unbeknownst [TS]

  to him the inhabitants of this planet [TS]

  tattoo a very elaborate tattoo on his [TS]

  face which they don't have mirrors so he [TS]

  never notices it and then he's picked up [TS]

  by another spaceship and they're like [TS]

  dude you have a tattoo on your face like [TS]

  oh my God he's also able to psychically [TS]

  teleport himself uh interstellar two [TS]

  different planets which other people [TS]

  can't do but they can do in shorter [TS]

  distances [TS]

  and other people can read people's minds [TS]

  its is very complicated out but through [TS]

  many kind of high jinks he eventually [TS]

  kind of gets revenge but doesn't there's [TS]

  a lot of twists and turns to the story [TS]

  it is kind of dark so be prepared for [TS]

  that but yeah it is very good really [TS]

  good really good [TS]

  I read that a few years ago and that's [TS]

  it is it's great that you can jaunt [TS]

  right is that like you teleport around [TS]

  but only so there's like a distance [TS]

  limitation or something but he doesn't [TS]

  have that he figures out how to get rid [TS]

  of that distance haha and and so people [TS]

  are quite interested in that diabolical [TS]

  another interesting point is that he [TS]

  gets exactly he gets the tattoo removed [TS]

  from his face so that he can you know a [TS]

  blend in with people so nobody knows [TS]

  it's him about except what he gets [TS]

  really excited the the faint tattoo [TS]

  where was kind of fills in again because [TS]

  the blood rushes to his face [TS]

  so that's a kind of a critical moment in [TS]

  the story he gets really excited and [TS]

  then people like I had to you all right [TS]

  the stars my destination could pick [TS]

  let's move on to glen me why are you [TS]

  also surprised i'm just going in the [TS]

  same order we did the last time we try [TS]

  to introduce element of tension in the [TS]

  shoulders haha you'll never know who [TS]

  i'll pick next except if you're paying [TS]

  attention then you'll know [TS]

  go ahead and also apparently wasn't I i [TS]

  am going to pick Hyperion by Dan Simmons [TS]

  also on my list great so 10 points to [TS]

  you [TS]

  thank you so the reason I i would [TS]

  mention Hyperion is I i think i try to [TS]

  pick all the things that might have [TS]

  along along with we will get to that [TS]

  perhaps we post our list on the side [TS]

  alone but the Hyperion is something like [TS]

  many other novels where when I read it I [TS]

  was struck I was struck by the beauty [TS]

  the intensity by unusual ideas that [TS]

  never entered my mind before and change [TS]

  my consciousness forever so iperion [TS]

  tells the story in a kind of not [TS]

  pilgrims progress but am [TS]

  a tracer what's the roster story the [TS]

  transfer anybody anybody transfer [TS]

  transfer yeah the canterbury tales [TS]

  characters yeah mom that opera this [TS]

  route is softer bigger slide on the [TS]

  showers [TS]

  suta hot that pair said to the ruta my [TS]

  god game hall where all English majors [TS]

  here i cannot i was art so i can just [TS]

  draw a picture of it so the candidates [TS]

  that has a loose structure of canterbury [TS]

  tales with stories told in turn by six [TS]

  different people on this spaceship that [TS]

  are all going off to something like [TS]

  uncharted space and they all center [TS]

  around a planet called Hyperion that [TS]

  theme of Glenn's evening like dune is a [TS]

  peculiar planet my period has strange [TS]

  properties and there's some like the [TS]

  sort of area that's almost impossible [TS]

  because it generates the plant life [TS]

  generates electrical fields and storms [TS]

  and lightning and you can't even really [TS]

  land spaceships there nobody really [TS]

  cares its kind of this beat-up old [TS]

  planet and mysterious events are [TS]

  happening or have been happening over a [TS]

  period of time and so there's a poet [TS]

  there's an ambassador or a diplomat [TS]

  there's a woman an old Jewish man whose [TS]

  daughter is aging backwards in time and [TS]

  a priest to has a actual well I won't [TS]

  tell that place too much of the spoilers [TS]

  yes technol the story but at the cross [TS]

  and the resurrection mean extra special [TS]

  things to the priest extra special so [TS]

  it's I think it's a great it's a great [TS]

  set of stories and apparently one of the [TS]

  stories about Cirie sis remembering [TS]

  serie very sorry it was originally a [TS]

  standalone story that we came to Germany [TS]

  this of the novel and it's you it's [TS]

  picaresque because you have different [TS]

  things happen that are facets of the of [TS]

  the same place but happening different [TS]

  hot right happen across space everything [TS]

  is coming to a point in Hyperion and [TS]

  there's this mysterious creature called [TS]

  the Shrike that is some enormous multi [TS]

  arms armored thing that no one quite [TS]

  knows what it is and I think it's got [TS]

  its full of mystery it's a it's [TS]

  beautifully written dan simmons [TS]

  everything he writes beautifully written [TS]

  but I find a lot of it so either [TS]

  hermetic or just you know it's [TS]

  impenetrable or just don't know I find [TS]

  an idiotic at this point that i can I [TS]

  try to read his stuff like the olympus [TS]

  and [TS]

  oh yeah only I'm not yeah Williams try [TS]

  red book is and i just found them so [TS]

  model I didn't know but he writes [TS]

  beautifully it carries man same thing [TS]

  with as with doing i would suggest if [TS]

  you read Hyperion read the first and [TS]

  don't read a full of Hyperion and demand [TS]

  rise of endymion because I think they're [TS]

  I think they lesson for me the [TS]

  appreciation that first novel there a [TS]

  second one especially it abandons the [TS]

  whole narrative structure and the app [TS]

  becomes kind of a space should be up [TS]

  with lots of study and then ends to the [TS]

  first of the Hyperion and so unfairly [TS]

  though as a reader because they [TS]

  descended into the valley and you like [TS]

  but but because the really the point is [TS]

  to tell you these seven stories of the [TS]

  travelers it's it's almost like an [TS]

  anthology set in the same universe along [TS]

  with this framing sequence and then the [TS]

  sequel is really like and this is what [TS]

  happened when they got there and I read [TS]

  it and I liked it but you're right that [TS]

  it's sort of not the point of the first [TS]

  book and I love you guys did love it he [TS]

  just what I think kind of gave up on the [TS]

  narrative structure Andy but theta so I [TS]

  like a period i have the same problem [TS]

  with a lot of you know books that have [TS]

  sequels but i think this one in [TS]

  particular it's like a period fantastic [TS]

  one of the best science fiction novels [TS]

  ever written despite the ending issue [TS]

  you know the next novel thats not bad [TS]

  but not great and then like all so I'm [TS]

  yeah just a riparian restrain yourself [TS]

  don't worry about don't worry about what [TS]

  happens to the characters just out there [TS]

  i'd say it's really too to book the [TS]

  Paris and you could read fall of [TS]

  hyperion I really wouldn't recommend [TS]

  reading the Endymion rise of endymion [TS]

  that's sure that the only reason you [TS]

  could read the Hyperion resolution well [TS]

  he needed the thing he was revisionist [TS]

  Endymion and rising and oh yeah there's [TS]

  a lot of red khan in there yeah it's [TS]

  retcon it's very frustrating right calm [TS]

  because you're like dude you made your [TS]

  universe [TS]

  you gotta live with it or rewrite your [TS]

  box because you're just going SSJ [TS]

  reactors [TS]

  yeah but it's good stuff I like that a [TS]

  lot and it was on my list i had it open [TS]

  a little browser tab right here i was [TS]

  going to talk about [TS]

  well thank you so 2 plus 10 to climb [TS]

  thank you for being such good taste i am [TS]

  glad that people know yes got it was [TS]

  also my list just to look at that plus [TS]

  22 Glenn amazing thing to ya know that's [TS]

  good that's really good he can square [TS]

  let us move on you need for a low score [TS]

  right it's like golf [TS]

  it's like golf that's exactly it let's [TS]

  move on to lex free [TS]

  men what I can't wait to hear what legs [TS]

  Friedman has now it's just bad travelers [TS]

  way to Schmidt moment you guys are [TS]

  already being cruel and haven't even [TS]

  gotten to the embarrassing part yet i [TS]

  will say with some trepidation that for [TS]

  my second selection i debated between [TS]

  not one not two but three separate [TS]

  novels all by the same guy a very famous [TS]

  author not necessarily renowned for his [TS]

  sci-fi work but it was the King Stephen [TS]

  King and I looked at the first one was [TS]

  going to pick was 11 22 63 but i didn't [TS]

  have two choices that had already had [TS]

  incomparable episodes that covered them [TS]

  and let me happy 263 and time travel [TS]

  yeah right it's not over time travel and [TS]

  this is felt redundant so I looked under [TS]

  the dome which i think is over all his [TS]

  best written story where in the you know [TS]

  the opening scenes a strange [TS]

  impenetrable glass dome or a glass maybe [TS]

  not be the right material with an [TS]

  impenetrable dome comes down over this [TS]

  town and then you watch what happens in [TS]

  this town with these people who are cut [TS]

  off from the rest of the world [TS]

  I mean it's just it's great it's long [TS]

  its vivid and every scene is I think [TS]

  really draw beautifully and I i think in [TS]

  a failure that is too common to King the [TS]

  the ending is just really kind of [TS]

  terrible so I rejected that one and I [TS]

  landed on the least sci-fi ish of my [TS]

  three selections but will allow it [TS]

  because it's a summer episode it was the [TS]

  Long Walk which he didn't even write a [TS]

  stephen king at the time he wrote it is [TS]

  Richard Bachman but the long walk is I [TS]

  think my my most beloved Stephen King [TS]

  novel the one that i reread the most [TS]

  often about a a dystopian society of [TS]

  some sort and for reasons that are never [TS]

  clearly explained various children are [TS]

  called up each year to walk endlessly [TS]

  and it's all televised for your [TS]

  enjoyment and if you don't keep up with [TS]

  the crowd or if you with the crowd of [TS]

  young boys were all walking or if you [TS]

  stumble or if at any point you falter [TS]

  off the path they kill you where you [TS]

  walk until you die and so you just it's [TS]

  the whole book essentially is the walk [TS]

  and that's on and also that's that's the [TS]

  size i promise if ever there was a [TS]

  satirical and all that so yes Lex I'll [TS]

  allow it to [TS]

  yes so but I mean you just you walk and [TS]

  you walk [TS]

  and I don't know for me it's i like it [TS]

  for I like the story i like the fact [TS]

  that he can tell a story where the [TS]

  entire journey is the walking and it's [TS]

  still a compelling read and I also think [TS]

  it's a very clear very direct influence [TS]

  to the Hunger Games [TS]

  yeah so I think that is to his credit as [TS]

  well I think that's a great choice Lex I [TS]

  but the correct summer reading choice [TS]

  for stephen king is probably the stand [TS]

  but still good choice standards on my [TS]

  summer reading list 0 for tackling it [TS]

  o.o you should read it but you might [TS]

  need a couple summers if you read the [TS]

  full on uncut version but already [TS]

  through you know song of ice and fire in [TS]

  two months I think I care [TS]

  yeah yeah so it's good pics already [TS]

  called well you are next [TS]

  don't be okay to cry whenever ya with me [TS]

  what why do you possibly be now Jason I [TS]

  think for my second pick [TS]

  I'm going to have to go with another [TS]

  book that I read probably once a summer [TS]

  for four or five summers as I was [TS]

  growing up and that is flowers for [TS]

  algernon which started out life is a [TS]

  short story and turned into a novel I [TS]

  this book was also made it to eat not so [TS]

  great film called Charlie which people [TS]

  have probably seen it I've vastly prefer [TS]

  the the book as do i with most film [TS]

  adaptations but the plot of flowers for [TS]

  algernon it's basically written log book [TS]

  style wherein we basically look through [TS]

  the eyes of a of a guy named Charlie who [TS]

  has an IQ of 68 and you meet him and [TS]

  he's working at this bakery and people [TS]

  don't necessarily know people are making [TS]

  fun of him but he can't really see it [TS]

  because he's a little dim and he [TS]

  basically gets drafted to be a guinea [TS]

  pig in this experiment to supersize [TS]

  human intelligence and so you're taking [TS]

  on this journey as he basically becomes [TS]

  smarter than anyone in any world and [TS]

  sort of climbs up and in first you see [TS]

  oh he's finally fitting in with his [TS]

  surroundings and he [TS]

  shooing you know all of the all of the [TS]

  things that aren't working in his life [TS]

  and then bad things happen with the IQ [TS]

  test and everything starts to go wrong [TS]

  and I really love this book because it's [TS]

  it's weirdly disturbing in a sort of [TS]

  it's a it's a glimpse into humanity at [TS]

  its best and its worst because not only [TS]

  do you see sort of Charlie's [TS]

  transformation but because you see the [TS]

  entire world through his eyes [TS]

  I you really get to see you know the [TS]

  people that he's working with at the [TS]

  start he thinks that they're his friends [TS]

  and as he starts to gain intelligence [TS]

  and as he you know becomes more aware of [TS]

  her surroundings he begins to realize oh [TS]

  no these people are mocking me and oh [TS]

  this woman I was you know really [TS]

  attracted to all of a sudden I can't [TS]

  interact with her at all because [TS]

  everything she says makes me wanna you [TS]

  know just walk away and I can't focus on [TS]

  anything but you know my experiment now [TS]

  like it's I find the entire book really [TS]

  fascinating and i love the log book [TS]

  style it's also kind of why I love John [TS]

  Waltons among others it's it's really [TS]

  really fun and intriguing to go directly [TS]

  through a character's point of view and [TS]

  not very many authors can do it really [TS]

  really well and the Daniel Keyes who [TS]

  wrote flowers for algernon just does it [TS]

  spectacularly so if you if you haven't I [TS]

  mean the short story if you don't have [TS]

  time to read another story is [TS]

  spectacular [TS]

  I don't know if I've you read the novel [TS]

  by remembering the short story and being [TS]

  blown away by the novel is very good [TS]

  the novel is a bit more adults the short [TS]

  story i started off with a short story [TS]

  because we actually had the the I think [TS]

  there's a magazine that was first [TS]

  published in we have that at my cabin [TS]

  and I was so blown away by the short [TS]

  story and my dad was basically like yeah [TS]

  he wrote a full book of that that I went [TS]

  immediately to the lake tahoe public [TS]

  library or the South Lake Tahoe public [TS]

  library like all right I want the actual [TS]

  novel i think i may have actually payday [TS]

  payday lost book fee on that one because [TS]

  it just stayed around at the cabin for [TS]

  years on end after that you stole it [TS]

  from the line i know i'm a horrible [TS]

  person but it was a really good book so [TS]

  I I feel justified and i paid the [TS]

  library back in spades [TS]

  all right you might be will be Holly for [TS]

  everybody [TS]

  she's a betting it was Lake Tahoe she's [TS]

  gambling minus 24 everybody who's turn [TS]

  is it all for free cheese cases their [TS]

  attorneys let's look do that's [TS]

  unexpected [TS]

  I had no idea as foreshadowed i'm going [TS]

  to pick a william gibson novel next and [TS]

  I think it's his best novel and that [TS]

  comes a lot from somebody who's bought [TS]

  neuromancer in about five different [TS]

  formats but I i think his novel from [TS]

  2003 pattern recognition is his best [TS]

  work it is sort of sci-fi but it's set [TS]

  in more or less the present day I think [TS]

  the premise here is that our world that [TS]

  we live in now is in many ways if you [TS]

  view it and in those ways uh [TS]

  science-fictional it's got a lot of his [TS]

  typical stories you know there's kind of [TS]

  a MacGuffin there's a mysterious [TS]

  billionaire there's some Russian [TS]

  mobsters but I think you just described [TS]

  the plot of Gilligan's Island [TS]

  yeah it is there is there are no Russian [TS]

  mobsters there on the other side of the [TS]

  island with the headhunters what are you [TS]

  talking about it you know it's um though [TS]

  the woman who is the protagonist is a is [TS]

  a cool find her she's finding she just [TS]

  kind of one walks around and discovers [TS]

  what's going to be cool and she uses [TS]

  that that's her consultancy but she [TS]

  discovers this strange set of of film [TS]

  clips that are posted that nobody knows [TS]

  what they mean and they're trained [TS]

  people are trying to figure out what [TS]

  these uh what these strange clips that [TS]

  are what are they called the found the [TS]

  footage of the footage and and there's [TS]

  like this whole internet group of people [TS]

  who are trying to figure out its like [TS]

  the sample is read this I couldn't [TS]

  already [TS]

  turn up the footage is viral alright [TS]

  it's like viral for viral was a thing [TS]

  for viral video was a thing his [TS]

  allergies all those earlier it and she's [TS]

  a marketing professional but she's [TS]

  allergic to branding which is so is she [TS]

  liking she if she sees the Michelin Man [TS]

  she like breaks out in hives and has a [TS]

  panic attack and even other brand names [TS]

  bother her and she's like special [TS]

  clothing that doesn't have have branding [TS]

  and it's and there's a there's a sep [TS]

  tember 11th reference in which in which [TS]

  he you know I think added in the latter [TS]

  stages but gives it gives it an [TS]

  interesting feeling and firmly a 21st [TS]

  century feeling and you know what he's a [TS]

  great writer but this is this is the [TS]

  book where like I like the characters [TS]

  especially the protagonist Casey Pollard [TS]

  but also big and is in it who is the [TS]

  thief was in all three of the novels in [TS]

  this series the Belgian ad agency [TS]

  millionaire or billionaire that the [TS]

  solution to what does true story of the [TS]

  footage is leads to there's some action [TS]

  but there's also sort of a touching [TS]

  situation where they go to Russia and [TS]

  try to figure out what who's behind it [TS]

  and along the way he just he he SAT [TS]

  arises so many things about our modern [TS]

  culture and also extrapolates just a [TS]

  little bit forward as somebody is a big [TS]

  fan of Max Headroom when it was on the [TS]

  eighties this is that feel of the 20 [TS]

  minutes into the future it's not it's [TS]

  not you know 500 years in the future [TS]

  it's just where our world is going to be [TS]

  not long after and i love that I i think [TS]

  it is him at the top of his game taking [TS]

  you know the skills that he's built up [TS]

  over the years and then and then I [TS]

  thought his middle trilogy did the first [TS]

  trilogy that was with neuromancer he did [TS]

  the bridge trilogy in the middle that I [TS]

  thought wasn't that great and then he [TS]

  came out with pattern recognition which [TS]

  turned out to be the first of this great [TS]

  trilogy of books and it's on its own you [TS]

  know it's a standalone novel you don't [TS]

  have to read the other books really good [TS]

  highly recommended so pattern [TS]

  recognition that's my choice [TS]

  that's the only give us in book I've [TS]

  ever read [TS]

  wow wow I like what I've said I would i [TS]

  think i would neuromancer above pattern [TS]

  recognition for me but i do like pattern [TS]

  recognition [TS]

  part of it was maybe when i read it let [TS]

  them kind of cold because i felt like it [TS]

  was it was so unless it was so I read it [TS]

  years after it came out and so all that [TS]

  stuff seemed kind of like old hat at [TS]

  that point like oh yeah viral video on [TS]

  the internet [TS]

  yep we're gonna put that together yeah [TS]

  alright and like it just seems like i [TS]

  don't know it lost a little something of [TS]

  a of the magic of it in there I think [TS]

  but I I it's an interesting book and [TS]

  there's a lot to like about it [TS]

  so the book so far ahead of its time [TS]

  when the time comes it seems to [TS]

  understand how well the reason i picked [TS]

  over over in romance because neuromancer [TS]

  is so iíve read that so many times and [TS]

  it was so influential but I felt like it [TS]

  was I not only is it is it of its time [TS]

  and it is it is more kind of clearly a [TS]

  new aurash you know if there's a [TS]

  megaphone one there and I right now I'm [TS]

  like 20 years after it came out and [TS]

  still found it like engrossing idea of [TS]

  getting very late to neuromancer and and [TS]

  really loved it [TS]

  yeah I I wanted to be less obvious too [TS]

  so there you go i think is going to [TS]

  choose to not not picking pattern [TS]

  recognition know i think i think is not [TS]

  is not appreciated as it should be by [TS]

  because neuromancer is such an [TS]

  influential novel so that's what a pic [TS]

  okay we're in we are into the third [TS]

  round now so we should move this on a [TS]

  little bit faster but i would like [TS]

  another set of books so we are going to [TS]

  go to glen fleischmann ha see what again [TS]

  i change the order Glenn what's your [TS]

  pick [TS]

  all right thing oh where the what the I [TS]

  want to pick something broad because [TS]

  Phil k dick i want everything he wrote [TS]

  no no you can't i'll pick out up a few [TS]

  but here is what you get for going to go [TS]

  and philip k dick is not Philip do you [TS]

  have anything my fellow Kate you're [TS]

  googling him right now I don't have that [TS]

  type of the field k dick you wrote an [TS]

  enormous amount and i'll recommend a [TS]

  couple in love when name one book [TS]

  Oh [TS]

  it starts with the Galactic pot healer [TS]

  which is the craziest title i think i [TS]

  found out about this book from blind or [TS]

  something and I it's a great release [TS]

  prolly weird thing with that you know a [TS]

  creature from another planet that sort [TS]

  of recruits the guy from this dystopian [TS]

  version of Earth many peers is like [TS]

  flames and a Phoenix and people can't [TS]

  see him in this like this underwater oh [TS]

  my god it's a great sprawling massive [TS]

  it's funny it's weird it's a if you want [TS]

  to get job advice you have to come up [TS]

  with actual quarters which cost a [TS]

  fortune and put them in like a phone [TS]

  booth and and robot gives you advice [TS]

  it's just it's a crazy thing I can't [TS]

  even explain it like I'm trying to [TS]

  explain really said that is but actually [TS]

  plant ecologist man in the high castle [TS]

  ubiq also like these are all some of [TS]

  them I think man the high castle is [TS]

  better known but I i would say pick up [TS]

  pick up some dick there's a couple of [TS]

  collections out now there's three from [TS]

  the new American Library came out with [TS]

  like officially edited and collected [TS]

  novels and have the first of them and I [TS]

  think it's he's a great it's not it's [TS]

  not easy summer reading always BUTT [TS]

  STUFF is interesting and [TS]

  thought-provoking bizarre and you don't [TS]

  find anything like it in most other [TS]

  science fiction because most people were [TS]

  not as seriously disturbed as philip k [TS]

  dick go active pot healer is that your [TS]

  choice [TS]

  well let's just put that over because [TS]

  it's just a personal but you know Phil [TS]

  okay to get a minute you gotta take one [TS]

  you gotta pick one all picked galactic [TS]

  particular for 200 Alex all right [TS]

  ok let's go to the mornin but wyd [TS]

  writers don't know what you're on the [TS]

  pie [TS]

  I'm going I'm going to veer off the [TS]

  science station train slightly to a oh I [TS]

  know I know [TS]

  282 a supernatural themed books are [TS]

  still the same [TS]

  that sounds about right it's a book [TS]

  about supernatural now it's the [TS]

  novelization absolutely you know maybe [TS]

  it's only that's easier if you watch the [TS]

  show opening tom and so yeah i know i'm [TS]

  just going to talk to myself now [TS]

  no it's a book called the devil you know [TS]

  by a writer named mike carey mike carey [TS]

  cut his teeth doing vertigo comics [TS]

  including of a very [TS]

  popular run on Lucifer which is branches [TS]

  off the story from neil gaiman's sandman [TS]

  about the the devil and he is the author [TS]

  of the unwritten which we talked about [TS]

  my comic book club episode I'm said I [TS]

  seconds i'm just i'm reading that now [TS]

  oh it's good yes it's very good i like [TS]

  it i like it it's like a better version [TS]

  of the magicians and so little richmond [TS]

  Christ so I'm gonna pick I'm gonna pick [TS]

  the w know which is the first in his [TS]

  series about Felix fix caster who is a [TS]

  freelance exorcist and i love this book [TS]

  because it is again as sort of with [TS]

  altered carbon which I talked about the [TS]

  top of the top of the show it's very nor [TS]

  its so basically sub out you know [TS]

  Humphrey Bogart as a private eye for [TS]

  this you know slightly schlubby guy who [TS]

  you know wanders around and dispatches [TS]

  ghosts or alternatively does magic at [TS]

  children's parties to me to pay the [TS]

  bills but he gets roughed up like all [TS]

  your new our heroes and he always [TS]

  stumbles upon these things which are [TS]

  somehow going on that are even bigger [TS]

  and I just I love it's so well drawn in [TS]

  the world is so well drawn it all takes [TS]

  place in London and there's there's i [TS]

  think five books so far and they kind of [TS]

  build there is sort of an ongoing plot [TS]

  that involves his best friend who has [TS]

  been possessed by an extremely powerful [TS]

  demon and there are some interesting [TS]

  characters and and the plus that develop [TS]

  along the course of these books some of [TS]

  them are better than others but i think [TS]

  most of them are actually really good [TS]

  and if you like sort of mysteries and [TS]

  enjoy any sort of supernatural ghost [TS]

  story type thing [TS]

  it's an excellent excellent pic i love [TS]

  the fact that every exorcist has to have [TS]

  their own particular stick sort of for [TS]

  dealing like none of them can really [TS]

  explain how their powers work but they [TS]

  have some method that works for them and [TS]

  for fix it say he carries around a tin [TS]

  whistle and uses music to sort of [TS]

  ensnare the ghosts and and send them on [TS]

  to their final resting place and it's [TS]

  one of the few books that actually start [TS]

  to get a little bit philosophical about [TS]

  like the heck to these guys go after we [TS]

  dispatch them like this and what does [TS]

  that all mean so it's a it's a great [TS]

  great series books highly recommend it [TS]

  alright the devil you know my carry [TS]

  let's go to a serenity Caldwell ok [TS]

  my next book on the list is carl sagan's [TS]

  contact which is actually been made into [TS]

  a film that's actually half decent but I [TS]

  i really love how about Jason that's I [TS]

  like moving [TS]

  I like it the movie has good point it's [TS]

  not it's not a perfect film but it has a [TS]

  lot of really really nice visualizations [TS]

  so the novel contact for people who [TS]

  haven't read it is basically about [TS]

  scientists and first contact with an [TS]

  alien species and how aliens might [TS]

  contact us and trying to get the world [TS]

  to believe that they actually have [TS]

  contacted us at how that related to [TS]

  faith and gets mired in all those fun [TS]

  faith and gets mired in all those fun [TS]

  fun subjects i love this book again I [TS]

  mean female protagonists always a good [TS]

  thing especially when they're pretty [TS]

  awesome but in addition its I like how [TS]

  this book makes you question faith and [TS]

  fate and moments in time I as a kid I [TS]

  loved aliens [TS]

  I love the idea of my dad was a ham [TS]

  radio operator so the idea of contacting [TS]

  another planet or another race of you [TS]

  know through the stars through radio [TS]

  waves with such a fascinating concept to [TS]

  me that I just don't write in which is [TS]

  why again the the 1997 film not a [TS]

  perfect movie but i must have washed it [TS]

  40 or 50 times after it came out and got [TS]

  it like I wore out that VHS just because [TS]

  you know it's there's something really [TS]

  excited about the idea of wanting you [TS]

  know first contact and and wanting that [TS]

  to be true and questioning your own [TS]

  sanity and you know it's I I think it's [TS]

  a really good book i've also think it's [TS]

  a really good film and it's it's light [TS]

  enough to be an easy beach read but it [TS]

  leaves you with some interesting [TS]

  questions at the close and it's great to [TS]

  read right before desk so you can you [TS]

  know go up on your growth for sit out on [TS]

  a dock and look up at the stars [TS]

  it's about in many ways the fundamental [TS]

  science fiction story right it's the the [TS]

  ultimate is what if there were other [TS]

  creatures out there and what would [TS]

  happen if we found out and that's and [TS]

  then take the science of it which carl [TS]

  sagan is quite capable of doing and then [TS]

  take the you know a realistic look at [TS]

  what the ramifications would be and and [TS]

  that then you've got the story [TS]

  yeah it's it's quite beautiful let's go [TS]

  now to lex friedman I cannot think of a [TS]

  worse book to follow-up contact within [TS]

  my last election but I was a [TS]

  novelization of effects of Star Wars [TS]

  it's called about a novelization of the [TS]

  movie contact [TS]

  adapted from the book content and I was [TS]

  thinking about reading and summer [TS]

  reading and I don't think of the truth [TS]

  is you know I don't think of some [TS]

  reading is a specific kind of reading [TS]

  for me anymore the way to do when I was [TS]

  growing up because now i just read all [TS]

  year long and I don't have extra reading [TS]

  time in the summer because I don't take [TS]

  a big summer vacation most summers I [TS]

  thought back to summer sci-fi reading [TS]

  that I would have done while growing up [TS]

  and I thought about a book that I [TS]

  consider my introduction to sci-fi genre [TS]

  i thought hey i enjoy reading this and I [TS]

  want to read more about it and so it [TS]

  would be the book that I say introduced [TS]

  me to sci-fi and scared me so thoroughly [TS]

  when I wasn't reading it I don't have to [TS]

  leave it face down because the cover was [TS]

  scary and that is my teacher is an alien [TS]

  by bruce coville and you know it's [TS]

  there's a whole series of my teachers an [TS]

  alien books that goes into my teacher [TS]

  fried my brain and glows in the dark and [TS]

  flunk the planet and it's all of them [TS]

  center on the same basic premise which [TS]

  is that aliens have invested this [TS]

  clearly a school with very poor hiring [TS]

  standards but it is up to various stock [TS]

  children from that school to prevent the [TS]

  aliens from taking over the world and [TS]

  the world really is endangering these [TS]

  stories for children and but luckily the [TS]

  children are there to to rescue us in to [TS]

  prevent the aliens from achieving what [TS]

  they hope to achieve where I glad now [TS]

  talk about the time that bruce coville [TS]

  came to my school and went around the [TS]

  classroom helping us having us each [TS]

  describe a characteristic of an alien we [TS]

  all created together and you know he had [TS]

  the first person so you know how tall is [TS]

  it insane person what colors and it got [TS]

  to me said eyes and I said three and he [TS]

  said you're the first person to ever say [TS]

  a number when I ask for is everybody [TS]

  else's provides a color and he thought I [TS]

  was great so I also think bruce coville [TS]

  is great but that did not influence my [TS]

  selection of my teachers an alien today [TS]

  so this is the book that you can slip in [TS]

  your kids bag to take to the beach yet [TS]

  you know once right now might my [TS]

  five-year-old loves chapter book shoot [TS]

  but she likes reading about fairies and [TS]

  princesses and magic and stuff she gets [TS]

  scared a little bit too easily for my [TS]

  teachers nearly now but I think come [TS]

  seven or eight she's gonna be ready but [TS]

  anyway I really did enjoy my teachers [TS]

  only in you know [TS]

  I looked at it again this week and it's [TS]

  because i still have all those books [TS]

  because I suppose was filled with books [TS]

  I saved from when I was a kid and I mean [TS]

  they don't hold up well in a sense of [TS]

  you know it's not like children's [TS]

  literature that's really great for [TS]

  adults to the way some might consider I [TS]

  don't know Harry Potter hunger games [TS]

  plus this target i think a younger [TS]

  reading audience but the stories are [TS]

  well-crafted and they you know you can [TS]

  see that it's scary in the right ways [TS]

  and it's the science fiction stuff is at [TS]

  least well done it's got its own you [TS]

  know thing and it works with it i know [TS]

  it's it's it's well-crafted and it's [TS]

  well targeted to its youthful audience [TS]

  that's great pic great pic all right [TS]

  we've got two selections left and cut up [TS]

  next is me haha see i changed it around [TS]

  i'm going to pick for some more [TS]

  contemplation in your summer reading if [TS]

  you'd like to think a little bit read [TS]

  joe haldeman is classic the forever war [TS]

  from the 74 here here just added that to [TS]

  my summer reading list actually oh [TS]

  that's that's a good one that was me [TS]

  working retro actively through time to [TS]

  put that on your list about the past few [TS]

  days so so well it's all that time [TS]

  dilation so that forever war which was [TS]

  written at toward the end of the Vietnam [TS]

  War and it is a kind of meditation on [TS]

  the the disaffection that soldiers felt [TS]

  it when returning home from Vietnam I [TS]

  think it's sort of fundamentally what [TS]

  it's about but it's not about a lot of [TS]

  other things about cultural ships during [TS]

  a war time and just in general it's [TS]

  about you know the life of a soldier and [TS]

  being removed from the people that [TS]

  they're fighting for it's about the [TS]

  question of whether war is necessary [TS]

  ever whether you know regardless of what [TS]

  the soldier we are doing is is war [TS]

  something that should never happen [TS]

  lots of big ideas you know there's a [TS]

  whole subplot about the well i'm not [TS]

  going to go into too much I mean suffice [TS]

  to say the culture of humanity changes [TS]

  and changes radically as these soldiers [TS]

  keep moving through time because when [TS]

  they they go out on a battle there's [TS]

  huge time dilation so battles are fought [TS]

  by the time you return hundreds of [TS]

  thousands of years have passed and so [TS]

  these future soldiers are quite [TS]

  literally returning to a place that [TS]

  isn't home and they are recognizable and [TS]

  they don't fit in with with what they [TS]

  got coming home to so it's just it isn't [TS]

  it is a masterpiece [TS]

  it is one of the classics of science [TS]

  fiction and it's got a lot it's in that [TS]

  mold of science fiction that not only is [TS]

  it telling you he's telling a good [TS]

  entertaining exciting story but the [TS]

  social commentary that he's doing while [TS]

  telling that story using all of the [TS]

  things that's sci-fi can do as a kid [TS]

  grew up watching Star Trek and realized [TS]

  as i as i watch the original Star Trek [TS]

  just how they were using science fiction [TS]

  to tell you know make commentary on the [TS]

  world that you might not get away with [TS]

  it wasn't science fiction and people [TS]

  with ray guns and things like that and [TS]

  the forever war does that to the forever [TS]

  war has this whole layer of commentary [TS]

  that it is able to get away with by [TS]

  having it be said in the science [TS]

  fictional premise so it's a classic and [TS]

  I recommend it and it's not a it's not [TS]

  really a downer it's just I mean it's [TS]

  weighty in its subject matter but it's [TS]

  not really a downer it's not like going [TS]

  to bum you out if you read it on the [TS]

  beach it's just gonna make you think so [TS]

  that's my choice I have to think there [TS]

  occasionally so that's my choice and [TS]

  that leaves us with Scott McNulty well I [TS]

  I approve of that choice Jason and thank [TS]

  you [TS]

  just in case you're wondering I took [TS]

  your silence as a descent but that is [TS]

  good and dan have you read it i have [TS]

  actually not ready to it's sort of been [TS]

  my perennial list for a long time right [TS]

  now we could work together with it gets [TS]

  put up there is no yes forever at war [TS]

  I've been with myself for know it's it's [TS]

  been put up there is sort of the polar [TS]

  opposite or in some ways the [TS]

  conversational opposite of the Starship [TS]

  Troopers which i think is an interesting [TS]

  yeah I green technology lets uh atom [TS]

  bombs in the forever wars i remembered [TS]

  but uh my pic is a book that I like [TS]

  honestly really yeah i-i've just tried [TS]

  to both without this works I [TS]

  going a little different route up the [TS]

  sparrow by married or Russell oh [TS]

  excellent excellent that was on my list [TS]

  to excellent [TS]

  yeah that thinking like this percent [TS]

  great it is always fantastic book not [TS]

  not a really uplifting story but I it [TS]

  revolves around so the Jesuits find this [TS]

  plant they hear a signal from a planet [TS]

  so they send a space mission to it to [TS]

  discover that there are aliens on this [TS]

  planet and you know through a series of [TS]

  unfortunate events they've really a kind [TS]

  of ruined the the aliens culture and the [TS]

  main character who's a Jesuit priest is [TS]

  can captured by this alien who is an [TS]

  artist and who does not nice things to [TS]

  this priest [TS]

  ah but it's in keeping with the alien [TS]

  culture so if they don't think of it as [TS]

  not nice but uh the Jesuit priest [TS]

  certainly does and he ends up coming [TS]

  back to earth a kind of doubting his [TS]

  faith and hating God for making him take [TS]

  this mission to this planet I it's [TS]

  beautifully written [TS]

  yeah it i went to a Jesuit High School [TS]

  so I i'm interested in the Jesuits [TS]

  connection but I think even if you were [TS]

  not taught by gesture with you will [TS]

  highlight like this book i would not [TS]

  read the sequel you know but I if you [TS]

  plan to read the sequel just read the [TS]

  sparrow again [TS]

  yes you will be happy i think i was [TS]

  hoping she was going to write some [TS]

  additional science fiction but then [TS]

  she's become mired in as i recall like [TS]

  alt history Holocaust rating or so now [TS]

  she's she's not alter history I mean she [TS]

  really actually oracle historical sure [TS]

  thing about world war two and in Italy [TS]

  with that and and her latest is about [TS]

  doc holliday and my wife read it and [TS]

  said it was actually quite ok well [TS]

  that's called doc but that the the the [TS]

  sparrows great although my one complaint [TS]

  about the sparrow is and i said in the [TS]

  podcast a couple of times you get to [TS]

  about eighty percent of ninety percent [TS]

  of the weigh-in and a lot of the detail [TS]

  kind of drops off and it becomes all [TS]

  about the plot and it's as if she [TS]

  realized she needed to [TS]

  in her manuscript which is unfortunate [TS]

  because all the stuff that I really [TS]

  loved about it up to that point kind of [TS]

  a lot of that fell away so she could [TS]

  finish she does finish which is good [TS]

  that is good she didn't just stop i know [TS]

  you'll see my dad or like the [TS]

  instruments but crappy exactly and seen [TS]

  exactly that's a great pic the sparrow [TS]

  that is one of my that is one of my [TS]

  favorites that is on my top ten and [TS]

  maybe even my top five list along with [TS]

  the along with the time traveler's wife [TS]

  honestly so if I had remembered that [TS]

  movie with the player but I'm glad Scott [TS]

  picked it [TS]

  yes I Scott saved us from jenny and save [TS]

  this just again it's what I do [TS]

  thank you Scott thanks for saving us all [TS]

  right we have reached the end of our [TS]

  list we have created a 18 books that we [TS]

  suggest that you consider reading this [TS]

  summer in the next six weeks before yes [TS]

  before we go or or put them on the list [TS]

  before we go I will go around and see if [TS]

  anybody had any others that they want to [TS]

  mention the titles of just to get them [TS]

  out there because you did the work why [TS]

  not show it off and while you're [TS]

  thinking of that i'll throw out to that [TS]

  I had I had the diamond age or a young [TS]

  ladies illustrated primer by neal [TS]

  stephenson which is my favorite maybe [TS]

  Stephenson although I like many of his [TS]

  books and I had a million open doors by [TS]

  john barnes which I mentioned on the [TS]

  podcast before which is the first book [TS]

  in a series where they there they invent [TS]

  things that let you step from one planet [TS]

  to another and there's lots of cultural [TS]

  hub that happens then because cultures [TS]

  are mixed for the first time in hundreds [TS]

  of years and it's very interesting [TS]

  dan do you have any extra names you [TS]

  would like to throw out there [TS]

  well I throw out a couple that we [TS]

  already talked about on the podcast in [TS]

  earlier editions which are John Scalzi [TS]

  his old man's war [TS]

  oh yeah right which-- someone in the [TS]

  chatroom also mentioned good companion [TS]

  my list that and the forever war that's [TS]

  not a bad one in fact I i recommend all [TS]

  three of the sequels that that's cause [TS]

  he has a certain for the old man's we're [TS]

  all very good yeah is about to embark [TS]

  upon writing ace sort of a not-quite [TS]

  serialize novel but an episodic novel [TS]

  which will be released in in weekly [TS]

  installments I think starting in [TS]

  december Wow contours website which [TS]

  sounds [TS]

  very interesting so I put that out there [TS]

  and of course the day i think one of the [TS]

  first books we talked about on this [TS]

  podcast which is Nick Harkaway is gone [TS]

  away world which remains one of the best [TS]

  science fiction novels i've read in [TS]

  recent years [TS]

  it's a good book we should talk about [TS]

  angel maker and future pot yes we should [TS]

  it's not quite your makers not quite [TS]

  science-fictional that's why I special [TS]

  woman now [TS]

  kind of yeah okay kinda we'll talk about [TS]

  that that's good that's good glad you do [TS]

  you have any leftovers on your list [TS]

  I got a bunch i'll go through superfast [TS]

  leavin have a nurse Lee kayla quinn [TS]

  great on my bookshelf yes uplift war of [TS]

  all the different [TS]

  yeah they bring we can talk about [TS]

  Everett bring a future podcast I think [TS]

  up therefore of all of those I think I [TS]

  reds 6 uplift universe novels anymore i [TS]

  think up therefore I like it's got a [TS]

  great plot great character is kind of [TS]

  fun [TS]

  its moves along and there's some really [TS]

  hilarious stuff and it was the gorillas [TS]

  not going on with all the things exactly [TS]

  much better uh NM because it rewired my [TS]

  brain I think it's one of my favorite [TS]

  Stevenson's red mars blue Mars screen [TS]

  Mars Kim Stanley Robinson yeah varied [TS]

  you know long series very involved [TS]

  million characters but i think he pulls [TS]

  it off quite well [TS]

  shadow of the torturer claw of the [TS]

  conciliator by Gene Wolfe I've read a [TS]

  lot of Gene Wolfe I wish I hadn't read [TS]

  much changed much of Gene Wolfe but [TS]

  those to the first in the the torturers [TS]

  rates than the ones that some of the new [TS]

  earth series of anger was called those [TS]

  first two I quite liked and solaris [TS]

  stanislav alem magnificent crazy [TS]

  difficult book that makes your brain [TS]

  working different ways after you read it [TS]

  awesome alright that's good Lex do you [TS]

  have anymore laughter work with were [TS]

  those your three science fiction books [TS]

  that you've ever read [TS]

  no I had others i am I couldn't decide [TS]

  between various I couldn't decide from [TS]

  various kurt vonnegut novels so I [TS]

  rejected them all but I was considering [TS]

  you know I think obvious Monica choices [TS]

  like sirens of titan and slaughterhouse [TS]

  five and uh help me another one after a [TS]

  long battle and butt [TS]

  and if you guys hadn't all hated it I [TS]

  would have mentioned ready player one [TS]

  because I think you all need wrong about [TS]

  it as long as we didn't all hitched [TS]

  which I do i read on because Scott [TS]

  McNulty mentioned it on twitter so i [TS]

  bought and read it and such a and i [TS]

  think yeah that's that's what i was [TS]

  thinking about kurt vonnegut nothing [TS]

  ready player one and I knew that [TS]

  mentioning the 2nd one would get me [TS]

  really cool too i left it off alright [TS]

  Kurt Vonnegut is much better than ready [TS]

  player one is that strong ordered or [TS]

  feed which nobody has mentioned my [TS]

  certainty Caldwell do you have any [TS]

  leftovers and a couple of guesses for [TS]

  space which I've mentioned several times [TS]

  on this podcast was a short young adult [TS]

  collection by Ray Bradbury is fantastic [TS]

  I i adore it American God's neil gaiman [TS]

  pseudo fantasy Sudan I had that on my [TS]

  list and then I decided it wasn't sci-fi [TS]

  really yeah but a great book i love it i [TS]

  feel really really not see boys American [TS]

  Gods looks better than boys yeah you'd [TS]

  like American I would tend to agree and [TS]

  that's it was kinda like a fable [TS]

  american gods as I don't know there's a [TS]

  little more in there's me a little more [TS]

  meters more than shall return it yeah [TS]

  that's good i can't believe no one [TS]

  mentioned hitchhiker's guide to the [TS]

  galaxy [TS]

  I think of that ya next time reading [TS]

  you're right you're on [TS]

  true you're a deficient because i hated [TS]

  I thought it was too obvious but yeah I [TS]

  michael crichton's Jurassic Park [TS]

  actually i have on my list when i read a [TS]

  lot of Creighton growing up over the [TS]

  summer and weird [TS]

  yeah it's a well I mean it's not it's [TS]

  again books that aren't maybe the best [TS]

  books in the world but are good [TS]

  interesting sci-fi and have been made [TS]

  into i guess most of my pics we've made [TS]

  it to weird movies and I didn't have [TS]

  ender's game on the list because I know [TS]

  it's a controversial book but i can't [TS]

  help but always grateful yeah its [TS]

  controversial author google [TS]

  controversial exactly i love the book [TS]

  but i always feel guilty mentioning it [TS]

  and people in the chat room ER yeah and [TS]

  then finally I I'm i keep on debating [TS]

  about following Joe Waltons science [TS]

  fiction list among others because there [TS]

  are a hundred nineteen or so really [TS]

  potentially good science fiction books [TS]

  on there and i have read very [TS]

  few of them like maybe one summer all [TS]

  just sit down and read one of those a [TS]

  day but that's that's always a good book [TS]

  to read if you want pics for even more [TS]

  science fiction novels i agree just read [TS]

  your walls and and it's also my pic and [TS]

  Scott's pick for the for the hugo award [TS]

  so you could read a good book and and [TS]

  find out about what about the good grade [TS]

  that's great and did Scott did i ask you [TS]

  I think you're the last one left without [TS]

  you you did not ask me and so i will now [TS]

  answer please please do i I keep [TS]

  flashing back to when I was a in high [TS]

  school [TS]

  one of my friends father's head like a [TS]

  shelf of Star Trek novels and I spent [TS]

  the summer reading like 40 Star Trek [TS]

  novels they weren't very good i remember [TS]

  one where Captain Kirk was in a pie [TS]

  fight with Klingons was located but and [TS]

  Spock's world those sticks out to me as [TS]

  a good book i don't remember anything [TS]

  about it but i do remember is being [TS]

  probably the best one out of those that [TS]

  i read but also AM banks has written a [TS]

  series of books about the culture it's a [TS]

  space opera good they're really good [TS]

  what else can i record bed i have ai [TS]

  throw an easy is his other non culture [TS]

  book the algebra is too which is a yes i [TS]

  have the out of my copy of the algebraic [TS]

  I didn't have the last two pages in it [TS]

  so how was a crucial Scott able my work [TS]

  together because formula incomplete sad [TS]

  i am currently in the midst of reading [TS]

  the Middle Kingdom by David wingrove [TS]

  which is it came out and the eighties is [TS]

  this like a nine or 28 or tens volume [TS]

  series of books uh the first one is [TS]

  chunko it is one of these series of the [TS]

  last book is absolutely horrible and [TS]

  kind of retro actively ruins the entire [TS]

  series but i haven't read the last book [TS]

  and the first book is incredible so I [TS]

  wouldn't suggest reading that and he's [TS]

  actually in the process of releasing [TS]

  them and as twenty volumes I don't [TS]

  really know how that works but he is [TS]

  doing that so that's kind of interesting [TS]

  i'd also there's a book the reason [TS]

  empire by scott westerfeld which is on [TS]

  which we mentioned yes it's a another [TS]

  kind of space opera anything although [TS]

  keep in mind that it was originally it's [TS]

  a two books it was released as two books [TS]

  that was originally one book that so [TS]

  they just kind of cut it in half so make [TS]

  sure that you have the second book [TS]

  immediately after the perfect because it [TS]

  does just end up in the middle of a [TS]

  sentence no less it's why I immediately [TS]

  you know it's funny that you mentioned [TS]

  Spock's world because that's Diane [TS]

  Dewayne and she wrote the wounded sky [TS]

  which I thought was the best of the Star [TS]

  Trek novels will see there's no which is [TS]

  like at she makes a real attempt to try [TS]

  to understand what a space battle would [TS]

  actually be like instead of just saying [TS]

  that their phasers and then no its [TS]

  twenty percent we can't take another hit [TS]

  and she had a there's like tactics and [TS]

  all and that was really cool [TS]

  he also wrote a large amount of very [TS]

  good fantasy books for people who don't [TS]

  know yet [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah but also also wrote star [TS]

  trek episode and the couple star trek [TS]

  novels is multifaceted should write the [TS]

  one with the Klingon to the pies though [TS]

  no I hope not gonna fix it [TS]

  alright so on that note we're going to [TS]

  close up the incomparables first annual [TS]

  and maybe only annual summer reading [TS]

  list we hope you've gotten a lot of [TS]

  books that uh some of which have struck [TS]

  your fancy and that you might take time [TS]

  to read if not this summer then later on [TS]

  this year just put them on your list and [TS]

  with that I would like to thank my [TS]

  guests for being here tonight Scott [TS]

  McNulty thank you thank you this summer [TS]

  i plan to read nothing but feed over and [TS]

  over and over again mixing deadline a [TS]

  little bit [TS]

  Glenn fleischmann you'll be reading only [TS]

  in the German this summer I assume he [TS]

  died I ya novel LOL thats let's say I [TS]

  then more and thank you for being here [TS]

  I was just static and put my own book on [TS]

  the list ya next year maybe next year [TS]

  maybe maybe back in Jerusalem i'll be [TS]

  hosting that is the most of that podcast [TS]

  i Lex Friedman thanks for being here [TS]

  thank you thank you nobody picked my [TS]

  books either and i already ordered [TS]

  pattern recognition to my kindle yeah I [TS]

  i win and cindy caldwell thank you so [TS]

  much for being here it is a pleasure as [TS]

  always I'm gonna go curl up in bed and [TS]

  the diamond age before bed now look at [TS]

  that it could be your illustrated primer [TS]

  I could know [TS]

  yeah I and for the uncomfortable once [TS]

  again I am Jason cell thanks for [TS]

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