100: Who Cares What We Think?
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the incomparable podcast number 100
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delight well well
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it's the incomparable podcast I'm your
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host Jason L this is a very special
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edition of the uncomfortable and that is
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episode number 100
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it's a lie i feel like this is a huge
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milestone other than the fact that you
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know we just do a podcast every week and
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in less than two years you are at
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episode 100 but we use a base-10
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counting system and 100 a milestone so
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I've caught I've gathered together to
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celebrate episode number 100 the five
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panelists on the incomparable who have
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been on the most episodes of this show
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they are the core members of the
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incomparable panel and i'm going to
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introduce them in order of their their
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appearances their number of appearances
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on the show by the way i should say I'm
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Jason Snell who has appeared on 90 of
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the 100 episodes of the uncomfortable so
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one in ten you don't have to listen to
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me but if two-thirds 68 episodes of the
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incomparable have featured the man who's
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on every podcast damn Ouran High Dam I i
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was told there would be no math well I'm
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do i did the math for you
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oh well that's that's well Jason I
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appreciate it's good to be here as I am
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contractually obligated to be on every
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podcast yes or at least two-thirds of
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the incomparable podcast that's a writer
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that we attach later my agent had some
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also joining me is a serenity caldwell
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who has appeared on exactly half of the
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episodes of the uncomfortable 50 of me
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100 welcome 50 whole episodes i would
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say this feels like a milestone Jason
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accepted it feels like a podcast which
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is pretty much like every other podcast
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pretty much a little hotter today
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yeah that's that's about right also
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joining me Scott McNulty who has
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appeared on 49 of 100 podcast episodes I
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Scott so close to 50 I'm an
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underachiever the next one you'll get
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you'll get there with the next one will
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do something that is a topic that rent
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isn't interested in them then you'll be
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it you'll be on top
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John Syracuse's here he has appeared on
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43 incomparable podcast hai jaan and
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blue and I blew my long game why is it
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42 what happened I don't know what this
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one counts as number 43
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if you messed up this encounters for I
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was 42 exactly do we do we start without
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does anyone remember now that would put
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me at 44 he's counting this episode is
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he ruined my master papermaster plant
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episode 0 is missing that Voice you
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heard is the man who's been on 38
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episodes of the uncomfortable one flesh
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you know if you count on number 6 I'm
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number six if you count the number of
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episodes on which I'm ridiculed it gets
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closer to 80 know that's true
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oh that's very true i should also point
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out in the since we're talking
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incomparable trivia here that although
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i've hosted 19 episodes i've actually
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appeared on 93 haha because sometimes I
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appear even though i'm not the host but
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i would like to thank glen and Dan both
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of whom have hosted four episodes of the
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incomparable how is it four episodes
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yeah I memory of that long then retired
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lost amidst the time watching game after
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game hosting episode 42 and music
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episode of futurama episode at three
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you're going to them and then there's
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the light is some games did some game
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episode i remember that and I think I
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pinch-hit for you want him when you were
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yeah but what if you remember all there
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is the last minute I ar-15 cast yeah
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that's right yeah i recall i did a
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disaster three jason i got an important
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question for you are you counting
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additional projects such as our
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wonderful riff track episode who had no
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her know that had no host
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but it did feature for members in fact
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you didn't eat your members of the panel
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that doesn't count either damn great
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nice also hosted an episode and lex
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friedman of course hosted our recent
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jonathan coulton episode as well as an
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alternate universe version of the
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incompetent that's right the fake
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episode be altered the first version so
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the purpose here the topic here and we
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and we do sort of have one that rather
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than just counting up episodes of the
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incomparable for our first hundred
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episodes is to talk about why we do the
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incomparable why is this here and I and
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i'll admit that this idea came to me as
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all my good ideas do in the shower
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because that happens and I we we ran a
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podcast a few weeks ago that was that
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dead involved some criticism of a
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blockbuster movie I'm not gonna I'm not
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gonna name any names but one of the
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panelists didn't like this beloved
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blockbuster movie and and people were
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really upset and I thought that was
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really interesting and I juxtapose that
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with a review that was posted on itunes
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around the same time from a listener who
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apparently listen to one episode but i
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think i think listeners includes Jason
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yeah I was listener that was I look
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floats for implied there who complained
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that all we ever do is praised things
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and recap what happened and not actually
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do anything more insightful than that
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well I thought that review was really
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good and here's what it said uh-huh
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I thought we would just talk about why
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we do the podcast and why we like the
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stuff we do and what's the purpose of a
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of a show like this and and you know it
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when our dear colleagues said he didn't
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like the that superhero movie and quite
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honestly if we've been doing the podcast
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a few years ago I would have said that I
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didn't like the dark knight and people
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would have freaked out about that too
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but we also do episodes where like the
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star wars episodes where although we we
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pick up things were also really just
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talking about something that we that we
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love so and then you know it goes back
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and forth then then you take something
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like the ready ready player one podcast
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where we really just kind of ripped the
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book apart i was not on that one
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the way I kind of liked that book but
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wasn't on it so my question for all of
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you guys is you know why other than your
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devotion to me I suppose
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why you know why do you like being on
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the podcast and you know what is your
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approach when when when you come on i
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mean they are you trying to be critical
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you're trying to just talk about stuff
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that you like what's the what's the
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point of it all why are we here
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John siracusa you are famous for being
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hypocritical it's our said devotion to
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this ancient macworld editor
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haha that's right it's all coming out
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now yeah I've was too i just made the
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joke when you mentioned the topic of the
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show that i was going to sue you for
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stealing the idea for of Christ lon cast
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than everything related to it because
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they are back in 2009 i wrote a blog
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post and ours back when actually blogged
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on ours the title of which was
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hypercritical which some people might
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recognized as the future title of my
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current podcast yes you appeared on the
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incomparable podcast and we're so great
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that damn Benjamin said hey he should
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have his own podcast yeah and it was
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like this was the genesis of it is that
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i wrote a thing about a bit because I
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write a lot of articles and my articles
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i complain about stuff and that like
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that's kind of like my stick right I am
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I first started doing it people would
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decide who i was based on the fact that
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I was complaining about things so here's
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this guy that never seen before and he's
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writing about apple stuff and it's full
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of complaints so this must be somebody
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who hates Apple I didn't take long to
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dispel that notion but it was kind of
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funny to me going from being the mac
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fanboy on the internet to all the sudden
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everyone saying you pc user you probably
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never used back in your life you don't
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like them why you've been writing about
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the right and so that that thing like
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where if you criticize something that
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means like you're taking sides against
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it or something was strange to me and
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funny and so that this much later
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article around uh about the idea of
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criticizing something was trying to
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explain why i personally do it and the
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value that I think there is in
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criticizing something that's kinda like
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I think that Alan cake what you know is
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Macintosh was the first computer were
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criticizing to me the things i'm most
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interested in criticizing other things
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that could have been great but weren't
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or really really good but just have one
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thing that's a little bit off you know I
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mean so i'm not inclined to do like
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entire podcast about something that I
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see no redeeming value in so for example
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we ripped apart ready player one right
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but that's a science-fiction book about
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people who go around in a video game
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I like that kind of thing right on i'm
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not doing a book about I read this you
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know we didn't read 50 shades of grey
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and write like armies and we never
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planned to wait wait we didn't read that
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I mean we didn't read that
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oh yeah and it's so like it's even
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though where you know all you guys just
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like to rip apart were ripping apart
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things that we read we are interested in
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because it's like it's right up our
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I totally into books about people
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running around in a virtual video game
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world with a tease like you know it and
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that's that that's one thing that people
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don't get because if you come into it
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thinking that if you say something bad
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about that you know any piece of media
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or whatever you're taking sides against
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it and that's totally not how I view it
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yeah I i agree with that i mean i think
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that it's interesting to hear people's
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complaints about something that I liked
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and I know not lots of people don't
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react that way and we saw that after the
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Avengers podcast is that people a lot of
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people enjoyed it and then when they
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heard the criticism of that they they
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got really mad and that's fine to
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disagree but I I'm always fascinated
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when I hear somebody's complaints about
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something whether I like it or not if
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they go into some detail in it and it
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makes me and makes me think about it and
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that goes to what you said John about
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you know being the first whatever worth
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criticized thing is there is value in
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having something that's worth looking at
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critically at all and if it leads me to
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a place where I appreciate the work more
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i understand it more or I think I
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mentioned this to to it when we did the
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jonathan coulton podcast and I briefly
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got to got to talk to him i mean it i
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love the fact that when I saw inception
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I thought about it for five days and I
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thought about lots of different aspects
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of it and I decided I kind of didn't
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like it but the fact was I really am
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glad that I saw it
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was it had you know it was thought
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provoking and it was worth me that you
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know worth the time for me to think why
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don't I like this and what what's the
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detail my wife and I talked about it and
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anything with you liked it dislike I
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really think that having that ability to
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kind of take it apart and talk about why
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did it work or why did it not work is as
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valuable um you know I I'd I I don't
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have a problem that i know that some
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people that bothers some people but i
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always i love it my favorite um praise
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that i get for the uncomfortable is when
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people say I've seen that movie about
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you know I a half dozen times and had
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never thought about that seemed that way
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until you guys talked about it that way
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and i love that because it shows that
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this stuff that we love even if it's a
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sci-fi movie or you know a sci-fi book
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or whatever it is it can be enhanced by
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that kind of scrutiny whether you're
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loving it or whether you're pointing out
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that the latter on the x-wing doesn't
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have anyplace to go it's still
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interesting well nobody likes to hear
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something that they really like just get
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trashed i mean i think that we all you
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know if there's something you're really
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passionate about is something you really
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care about or book you really like a
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movie that you love
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it's no fun to hear somebody else just
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like trash it right i mean there there's
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a way I think it which is what John is
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saying there is a way to look at these
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things critically and say this is good
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but here are some you know criticisms or
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or you know things that I've noticed
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that perhaps you haven't thought about
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and I think there is value in that I
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also you know I think there's a value in
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talking positively about these kind of
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works as even in cases where you feel
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like you want to be critical because
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there are things that bothered you about
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it it's worthwhile to say what you liked
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about things not only because I think we
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all are in part here because we enjoy
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sharing things that we like with other
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people who we think might like them but
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also because i don't know for me someone
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who has spent time you know trying to
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create something it's nice to feel like
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there are people behind it's nice to be
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remembered that there are people behind
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these things right and these people in
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many cases are trying very hard to
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think they're not always you know
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nailing it perfectly but you know these
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are these are creations born of man and
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so it's nice to see you know that
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recognize and say well I like what this
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person did hear you know that showed
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some thought I fought hard to be on the
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second episode of this podcast primarily
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because i really wanted to talk over a
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series i had just seen sherlock with
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people because at that point I was
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living in a relatively small town in
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western Massachusetts and had absolutely
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no geeky friends in proximity so I had
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just like I just watched sherlock i had
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just started reading some of the books
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that were being discussed in the book
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club in episode 1 and when I found out
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that Jason was doing this it was very
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much a oh gosh finally people I can talk
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about interesting books and movies and
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television with I must be on this
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Scott you uh you read a lot of books
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actually any story you could argue to
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actual brain a little bit that stories
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things happen and it's internally
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readers or consumers of of media and
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attention into it as we are
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paying to it and so you don't have that
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sense of thinking about you know we a we
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give this much attention to something
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like Star Wars and it's nice to see like
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foreshadow things or that's constructed
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consistent and it bothers us when things
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are not consistent right so that you
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know there are things that are mentioned
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in the the the only three star wars
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movies that exist that are then in some
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that were never made and that's annoying
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already set up these these possibilities
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happened yet or referencing things that
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you've already been in much prior much
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previous volumes and lois mcmaster
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bujold foreclosing saga which we didn't
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episode on where there are you know tips
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of the hat to things that happened you
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know ten books earlier or there are
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references to things that will be
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important in 10 books and so it's nice
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to feel like there is this world that's
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constructed that exists even when we're
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not actively paying attention to it that
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we can visit when we like and I think
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and other media as well like things like
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multiplayer online games you know people
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like this idea of being able to visit
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another world and it helps if it's
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constructed in such a way as to feel
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well fleshed out and consistent it's
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prequels because i was going to use the
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the what calls well okay so we devoted
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six episodes to talking about in great
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detail all three star wars movies and I
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about us that we devoted all that time
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hours and hours and hours like nine
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hours of running time to movies that
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didn't run that long
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quite honestly and yet we we haven't we
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talked about it we joke about we haven't
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done an episode about you know the
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Phantom Menace right we be because what
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would we say I mean it might be fun to
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creepy it if they did they might be very
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well you know audiobooks it i guess they
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do read themselves really if you buy the
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audio book Glenn fleischmann you've been
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on 30 episodes and everyone in every one
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of them your cleansing because that's
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thanks for being here it's sort of my
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job the show Jason I want to thank you
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for the time and effort you put into
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this one of those fun things i do a
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regular basis and I appreciate you
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making this all happen on a regular
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basis and i also appreciate unlike
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perhaps some listeners I do appreciate
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the titles the show because for me they
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bring back i can read dr. Sherlock in
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the multi man and the whole episode
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floods back my head that's good
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and in that case if it's an episode you
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liked then then that's very good
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so for the next hundred episodes and
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beyond you know we'll be back with a new
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episode of the uncomfortable in the next
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week or two and until then thanks
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everybody for listening
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if you people didn't listen to this
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podcast well I guess we've revealed that
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we would still do it but we would
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probably swear a lot more and not wear
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so thank you for keeping us in line dear
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listeners until next time this is jason
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aldean comparable thanks for listening
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