The Incomparable

104: Kids Have Bad Taste


  the incomparable podcast number 104 [TS]

  artists 2012 [TS]

  welcome back everybody to the [TS]

  incomparable podcast I'm your host Jason [TS]

  snail and tonight's topic is being a [TS]

  parent I have assembled a panel of [TS]

  incomparable panelists who are parents [TS]

  like I am and I thought we would talk a [TS]

  little bit about what we the decisions [TS]

  we make his parents for what we what we [TS]

  expose our kids to in terms of the media [TS]

  that we talked about on the show but in [TS]

  terms of movies and TV and comic books [TS]

  and things like that [TS]

  what are the decisions that we make what [TS]

  are the things that we're kind of [TS]

  gleefully expecting to and anticipating [TS]

  exposing our children to what stuff are [TS]

  we trying to protect them from and and [TS]

  the like so it's all about being a [TS]

  parent and having kids on the [TS]

  incomparable so my panel tonight [TS]

  first off damn Frank's hi Dan hello [TS]

  Jason [TS]

  thanks for having me you have two [TS]

  daughters [TS]

  yes two daughters thank you and their [TS]

  ages 6 and 4 6 and for all right [TS]

  also joining us is ben boychuk been you [TS]

  have a son and a daughter [TS]

  can you get wrecked their ages please [TS]

  yes my son Benjamin is 10 and my [TS]

  daughter isabella is for wow alright [TS]

  can't believe management's 10 I can't [TS]

  believe it is I know it now [TS]

  Timeflies yes well you did those [TS]

  ten-year-olds it is amazing that Voice [TS]

  you heard is Lisa Schmeisser lisa has a [TS]

  daughter who is one year old [TS]

  yes yes she is and she's almost too and [TS]

  she's only one month's it's crazy I [TS]

  can't believe she's almost him well my [TS]

  question is that what age do i stop [TS]

  referring to her in in terms of months [TS]

  when did you guys make the shift because [TS]

  22 that you don't cross 24 yeah that's [TS]

  the rule [TS]

  ok The Voice you heard there is John [TS]

  siracusa who has a son and a daughter [TS]

  correct sorry i have an eight-year-old [TS]

  boy named alex and a five-year-old girl [TS]

  named Kate alright excellent and Steve [TS]

  let's is also here Believe It or Not [TS]

  Steve let his children [TS]

  yes I successfully breeded [TS]

  problem shocked all and-and-and are you [TS]

  have a boy and a girl or both or both [TS]

  girls I do have one of each one of a [TS]

  nine-year-old daughter and a [TS]

  five-year-old son five-year-old son [TS]

  excellent also joining us is Glenn [TS]

  fleischmann Glenn you have two sons what [TS]

  are their ages five and one just turned [TS]

  eight a couple days ago [TS]

  yes yes i should say that that a that [TS]

  Glenn son and my son were born on the [TS]

  same day the after the same day it was a [TS]

  harmonic convergence really cool i can [TS]

  find out anything Jason's playing on his [TS]

  editorial calendar by asking them [TS]

  yes very useful it's just it goes from [TS]

  ben from Glen to bend to Julian to me [TS]

  and then back amazing and i should say [TS]

  that I have two children my daughter [TS]

  Jamie is 10 and my son Julian just [TS]

  turned eight so which is pretty crazy so [TS]

  so that's that's the readout those are [TS]

  those are the facts so I don't know I i [TS]

  guess the first thing I i think i'd like [TS]

  to ask you guys is off [TS]

  was there something you know at what [TS]

  this could be something that's already [TS]

  happened or something that's in your [TS]

  future it you know what is there [TS]

  something that you particularly been [TS]

  anticipating or really anticipated in [TS]

  terms of oh I can't wait to to show this [TS]

  thing that I love to my kids because [TS]

  they're going to love it and I'm [TS]

  interested in hearing how that went to [TS]

  because i'd imagine i'd imagine [TS]

  sometimes you for you discover that they [TS]

  don't care about it I as much as you [TS]

  would hope and my example be that i [TS]

  showed my my daughter star wars i think [TS]

  a little bit too early and then I [TS]

  explained I explained to her that it had [TS]

  a princess Senate which probably was [TS]

  overselling it just a tad and and she [TS]

  found it incredibly boring and i think [TS]

  this was when she was maybe I don't know [TS]

  five or six and i waited another year or [TS]

  two and showed it to her again and then [TS]

  she thought it was great but i but i [TS]

  remember being really disappointed that [TS]

  I i had had the handheld out and not [TS]

  shown her star wars even though they [TS]

  were toys and she'd seen that the people [TS]

  the characters and all that i held out [TS]

  and I thought okay now now i can show [TS]

  you this is going to be a momentous time [TS]

  in my life where I'm fine [TS]

  showing my daughter star wars and she [TS]

  was like totally bored and would have [TS]

  rather just watched you know the little [TS]

  mermaid or sleeping beauty again so [TS]

  that's mine but so and of course it's a [TS]

  sad story but i'm just wondering what [TS]

  will you guys just brought down the road [TS]

  and disappointed i made a similar [TS]

  mistake oh yeah I I let my son watch all [TS]

  six in order i mean in 126 which was a [TS]

  mistake so you started with the prequels [TS]

  I should have [TS]

  yeah I should have acted well I should [TS]

  never have exposed him to the prequels [TS]

  at all because that was yeah that's [TS]

  that's child abuse that was better [TS]

  ya know that I I a bit not only child [TS]

  abuse i had to relive you know it i had [TS]

  to experience another two weeks of [TS]

  depression having having seen those [TS]

  again but yeah he preferred the prequels [TS]

  to the originals and and i realized at [TS]

  that point that I was a terrible [TS]

  terrible father and I won't make it [TS]

  I won't make the same mistake with bella [TS]

  but you live and you learn [TS]

  see I expected this would be the moment [TS]

  that John John siracusa would would [TS]

  explain his detailed his detailed [TS]

  strategy for keeping the prequels away [TS]

  from his children [TS]

  I'm Justin finally shaking my head [TS]

  terrible terrible decision like that [TS]

  this is what's weird about those [TS]

  decisions it's not you didn't know like [TS]

  everyone here knew what like we we knew [TS]

  about the prequels the kids are born at [TS]

  this retirement after the prequels came [TS]

  out we knew that these things were out [TS]

  there that they were dangerous for our [TS]

  children and you just you you chose you [TS]

  chose to bring that into your home like [TS]

  noticed your arm like you talk about [TS]

  sharing something you love what I have [TS]

  what are you sharing something you love [TS]

  by including something that every [TS]

  right-thinking person hates in at the [TS]

  same time i will tell you what i wanted [TS]

  to do i tell you what i wanted to do i I [TS]

  I wanted to teach a lesson [TS]

  Stephanie look it's a good and bad taste [TS]

  of sun i'm just waiting on your report [TS]

  card sit down because it's time for the [TS]

  clone war [TS]

  this is for your own good [TS]

  I was wrong I was wrong I failed [TS]

  oh it's jason the questions kind of [TS]

  intriguing because i was thinking that [TS]

  for me one of the hardest things is [TS]

  going to be sitting back and letting my [TS]

  daughter come to her own independent [TS]

  judgment on the things I think are cool [TS]

  or really like right I'm for example [TS]

  I've saved nearly all of my childhood [TS]

  books and I thought well I could try and [TS]

  in crime down her throat with all you've [TS]

  got to read this is so great or i could [TS]

  hope to discover some on her own and [TS]

  then talk to her about them but i was [TS]

  thinking about how one of the biggest [TS]

  pleasures of my childhood was [TS]

  discovering different books on my own [TS]

  and discovering different TV shows on my [TS]

  own and the idea of getting to know my [TS]

  own taste was was really you know I [TS]

  think it's one of the biggest thrills [TS]

  you can have the developing person and [TS]

  it's different from the experience you [TS]

  have on your parents to down to watch a [TS]

  movie that they love and you're like [TS]

  okay you know because because my parents [TS]

  will get upset if my brother and I got [TS]

  up and walked out during the middle of a [TS]

  movie that wasn't showing on on saturday [TS]

  afternoon or if we made fun of it or if [TS]

  we could understand what the big deal [TS]

  was so I thought that perhaps the best [TS]

  approaches to make sure the stuff is [TS]

  just kind of lying around the house and [TS]

  she picks it up or she happens to watch [TS]

  it great but I'm not trying to I'm not [TS]

  trying to implicate her with my taste [TS]

  if that makes sense you know I i would [TS]

  rather that she did I would rather do [TS]

  what i can to to help her develop her [TS]

  own taste and and with luck we'll have [TS]

  some overlap [TS]

  but you have to bear in mind i'm talking [TS]

  about somebody who thinks that c is for [TS]

  cookies is the highest formulation land [TS]

  right now [TS]

  yeah it coming up to you still got time [TS]

  to to swerve and realize oh god I need [TS]

  to do something now or this is gonna go [TS]

  really horribly wrong now [TS]

  well you know what more did totally [TS]

  different period cuz we don't let her [TS]

  watch TV so you know we have all that [TS]

  stuff still head of us where what TV do [TS]

  let her watch or what movies can we see [TS]

  what is there something that you've got [TS]

  that you're thinking I can't wait until [TS]

  i can show this to her when she's your [TS]

  whether it's TV or a book or whatever [TS]

  the incredibles okay yeah fine elbow [TS]

  alpha album i can't wait to show the [TS]

  incredibles or a bug's life or a [TS]

  ratatouille or any or or very nearly any [TS]

  of the other pixar movies there there [TS]

  are exceptions but sure but generally [TS]

  yeah the brave i'm not showing your [TS]

  brave but the rest are fine [TS]

  mhm fair enough so Steve anything in [TS]

  particular that you have you know [TS]

  showing your kids or have anticipated [TS]

  one day being able to share with your [TS]

  kids you know weirdly enough i think [TS]

  most of the stuff that you know the star [TS]

  wars in the Indiana Jones is at the of [TS]

  the world as far as movies are concerned [TS]

  we kind of already shown up in my [TS]

  daughter's nine so she seemed like she [TS]

  was kind of ready for all that stuff and [TS]

  the five-year-old you know you can't [TS]

  really make him leave the room there's [TS]

  really no way to prevent a five-year-old [TS]

  boy from being wherever he wants to be [TS]

  unless you physically chain him up in [TS]

  the yard to a post or something back [TS]

  yards to the neighbors can't see right [TS]

  generally yeah unless we want to send a [TS]

  message to the neighbors as well so most [TS]

  of that stuff i mean we've done a [TS]

  pirates of the caribbean I bust out with [TS]

  monty python a couple of months ago and [TS]

  we watched a couple episodes of flying [TS]

  circus and they they actually enjoyed [TS]

  that surprisingly that was gonna be my [TS]

  question is is you've deployed these [TS]

  things that our beloved but did they [TS]

  work to some extent well Monty Python [TS]

  obviously they liked the silly sketches [TS]

  they love confuse a cat you know where [TS]

  there is just insane stuff going on I [TS]

  think it kind of appeals to their sort [TS]

  of the general insanity that children [TS]

  always live in there you know it's [TS]

  interesting my son has act [TS]

  the experience most of these things [TS]

  through through the lego video games [TS]

  oh yes playthrough legostarwars he's [TS]

  played through lego pirates of the [TS]

  caribbean he's played through lego harry [TS]

  potter and when we watch the movies most [TS]

  of the time you'll say something along [TS]

  the lines of oh yeah that's a that's a [TS]

  chapter 4 episode 3 or whatever you know [TS]

  their name whichever portion of the lego [TS]

  game it is so his experience first was [TS]

  pretty much always the lego game and [TS]

  then the movie second my kids haven't [TS]

  seen anything in Indiana Jones movies [TS]

  yet but they know the plots of all of [TS]

  all three of the original movies because [TS]

  they're usually go [TS]

  yeah my nephew's the same with Batman [TS]

  date they know all they know Batman's [TS]

  entire rogues gallery right from lego [TS]

  batman oh yeah my kids to that every [TS]

  lego game they have it and they've [TS]

  committed to memory and lego star wars [TS]

  which is I really the only serious [TS]

  prequel well they've seen two of the [TS]

  prequels but that you know only like [TS]

  once and then we thought better of it [TS]

  but they know the plot from the lego [TS]

  games really of the of the couple of [TS]

  things that i'm still waiting to share [TS]

  with my kids one of his music and [TS]

  thatthat's just simply because as far as [TS]

  i can tell kids don't really get music [TS]

  until they start to get angsty and and [TS]

  then it actually kinda makes some sense [TS]

  to them apart from you know that they'll [TS]

  jump around the room two kids Bob or [TS]

  whatever [TS]

  actually my daughter is very into top 40 [TS]

  pop music which is one place where I [TS]

  have failed miserably [TS]

  already the everybody everybody has to [TS]

  go through that right [TS]

  uu yeah but in terms of actually sitting [TS]

  down enjoying music with my kids that [TS]

  hasn't happened yet i'm really looking [TS]

  forward to that and then and then [TS]

  possibly coming up this october i might [TS]

  slowly start to introduce my daughter to [TS]

  a some horror movies [TS]

  whoo Wow which is something that which [TS]

  is something that I shared with my mom [TS]

  as I was growing up because we both were [TS]

  very into horror movies and you don't [TS]

  like to sleep is what you're saying that [TS]

  you like to wake up at 2am by crying [TS]

  children well well that's the reason [TS]

  we've avoided them to date my dad shared [TS]

  his favorite horror movie with me at 13 [TS]

  when I was 13 and what was that the [TS]

  exorcist [TS]

  oh that's a good one to start with hall [TS]

  my god yes 4 first first horror movie [TS]

  ever soft i was 13 02 and and I i can't [TS]

  i can't handle it to this day i would [TS]

  say that was a bad move on Dad's player [TS]

  yeah well what makes it worse as we were [TS]

  Catholic so it is a true we believe it [TS]

  was responsible truth more lifestyle [TS]

  through stories [TS]

  yeah they do based on a true story and [TS]

  you know we had seen the Georgetown [TS]

  steps and then my dad's like oh you know [TS]

  urban legend has it that bad things [TS]

  happen on the set and and oh my god [TS]

  canada notes I selected the lights on [TS]

  for like a week action [TS]

  Steve hot what would you introduce your [TS]

  daughter too and for how would you do [TS]

  that I don't know I'm not sure it's it's [TS]

  something that I'm I'm kind of playing [TS]

  with right now because certainly you [TS]

  could go with maybe the universal [TS]

  monster movies but those are so cheesy [TS]

  you know there's they're not really [TS]

  actually scary and i'm not even be [TS]

  entertaining at this point to a modern [TS]

  kit [TS]

  although perhaps they would just because [TS]

  she she really hasn't been exposed to [TS]

  much along those lines [TS]

  what i have been doing lately is we've [TS]

  been sitting down and watching the [TS]

  occasional Twilight Zone episode [TS]

  ok excellent huh and I think that serves [TS]

  as a pretty good starter we've we've [TS]

  gone through should right now we haven't [TS]

  done anything that's super weird [TS]

  we watched time enough at last the [TS]

  burgess Meredith episode yeah glasses at [TS]

  the end [TS]

  yes yes I did that with my son he didn't [TS]

  take that was the first my dad watched [TS]

  with me and in size which is we've [TS]

  established all burgess Meredith needs [TS]

  to do is feel this way down to [TS]

  lenscrafters yes she was she was [TS]

  suitably intrigued by that which i was i [TS]

  was pleased with that's encouraging it [TS]

  made me very very happy so will perhaps [TS]

  move into something certainly not a [TS]

  modern or a movie because those are kind [TS]

  of gone over the top is and we discussed [TS]

  once before on this podcast yes maybe [TS]

  maybe we'll start in on Night of the [TS]

  Living Dead which is fairly subdued the [TS]

  black-and-white that the black-and-white [TS]

  I think takes it away a little bit takes [TS]

  away some of the horror put in the mind [TS]

  instead of on the screen [TS]

  it's much better right there's no better [TS]

  one or two scenes i'm a little concerned [TS]

  about just because they they actually [TS]

  are a little bit gory but the [TS]

  interesting thing is my daughter is very [TS]

  very into that kind of stuff it's [TS]

  strange we have a we have kind of a [TS]

  illustrated anatomy primer for kids and [TS]

  she always seems to focus on like the [TS]

  skin diseases and flesh-eating bacteria [TS]

  and that kind of thing that's she's [TS]

  she's very dangerous is your kids do [TS]

  she's well she's not pretty much it [TS]

  that's that's great I i am the last year [TS]

  we watched the new season of doctor who [TS]

  is a family which the first time we sort [TS]

  of watch the episodes without screening [TS]

  them and sort of saying well you know [TS]

  you might not like this one it's a [TS]

  little scary and of course that's a show [TS]

  that is meant to be watched by families [TS]

  in when it in the UK it's it's intended [TS]

  as a family show and and we watched the [TS]

  first episode of last season which has [TS]

  the silence which of those scary [TS]

  big-headed aliens that that kill people [TS]

  in her and you can't remember them when [TS]

  you turn away from them and and and my [TS]

  son was like having nightmares and come [TS]

  crawling into bed with us afterward and [TS]

  my wife was very upset with me and I [TS]

  just was smiling because I'm like no [TS]

  it's a pretty supposed to be scared [TS]

  that's all [TS]

  your rite of passage its heart it's but [TS]

  supposed to be gently scaring just a [TS]

  little bit scary [TS]

  dan do you have anything that you're [TS]

  particularly you need that you've been [TS]

  introducing to your to your daughters or [TS]

  are planning to we haven't done too much [TS]

  with movies yet because I daughters are [TS]

  still a little young as a matter of fact [TS]

  we took we took them both my older [TS]

  daughter seen brave twice the first time [TS]

  she was fine the second time she got [TS]

  really scared by all the violent scenes [TS]

  in the scary scenes so then the younger [TS]

  daughter insisted on going [TS]

  I'm said oh no it's fine i'm not scared [TS]

  ended up being really scared so I think [TS]

  those kind of things are just a little [TS]

  early so yeah um but we do have a lot of [TS]

  movies you want them to see but right [TS]

  now I think the thing that we've been [TS]

  doing is interesting to a lot of music [TS]

  because both my wife and I are huge [TS]

  music fans I mean I grew up you know [TS]

  with music on 24 hours a day even in [TS]

  class because I'm the kid with the one [TS]

  earphone in [TS]

  here while the teachers giving a lecture [TS]

  and stuff so I was a big music fan [TS]

  growing up and so to me I think more [TS]

  than like movies and TV shows i want [TS]

  them to appreciate music and a wide [TS]

  range of it and so far we've been we've [TS]

  been surprised for one thing they both [TS]

  love music they always want to turn [TS]

  music on when they go to bed at night [TS]

  they're asking for specific things they [TS]

  know the lyrics to a lot of songs [TS]

  already even though there are 64 which [TS]

  is unfortunately why we bought a Kidz [TS]

  Bop album how because they were reciting [TS]

  lyrics that we didn't like them reciting [TS]

  it's been fascinating watching my [TS]

  daughter try to learn the lyrics to [TS]

  songs [TS]

  yeah she does that now yeah I'm much [TS]

  more with and this is not just a music [TS]

  this is just a good general thing that [TS]

  I'm sure you can all agree with it i [TS]

  took lyrics just lyrics and words and TV [TS]

  shows and the things in TV commercials I [TS]

  just they kind of just were there until [TS]

  I had kids and now listen they're like [TS]

  what did he say a week [TS]

  turn it off you know it's I'm so matter [TS]

  where now of what is being said in [TS]

  everything you can do that because then [TS]

  they immediately kyon yeah right don't [TS]

  think I said there's a good luck classic [TS]

  youtube video called help the police [TS]

  which is a british couple driving with [TS]

  their kids in the back and the F the [TS]

  police song comes on the radio and and [TS]

  and he just keeps his hand on the dial [TS]

  and they substitute in help the police [TS]

  and other ways you can be friendly and [TS]

  help the police as they turn down the [TS]

  volume every time there's a bad word and [TS]

  I had myself doing a lot of loud [TS]

  unexpected coughing and oh yeah right [TS]

  radio right now because you're right i [TS]

  mean you can't you can't just all of a [TS]

  sudden reach for the radio turn it off [TS]

  and then they say what's wrong like oh [TS]

  that was words we don't want to hear [TS]

  because then they want to hear them [TS]

  right now you know I agree so we we try [TS]

  to suddenly you know steer attention [TS]

  hopeful hey [TS]

  but but but music is a big thing for us [TS]

  and so that's that's what we're we're [TS]

  excited that our kids are liking music [TS]

  and we're excited to introduce the more [TS]

  things as they get older who if I left [TS]

  out John siracusa do you have a you have [TS]

  any tales of introducing your kids two [TS]

  things that you love or or or two [TS]

  that you're planning on that you have [TS]

  strategized about I'm the star wars [TS]

  front mostly what I was concerned about [TS]

  was not so much like oh I need my kids [TS]

  to see Star Wars and like it like I do [TS]

  love you know of course you have that [TS]

  feeling my main concern was to ensure [TS]

  that what they thought of as Star Wars [TS]

  was what I thought of his star and so I [TS]

  knew that once they came became [TS]

  school-aged and like got older all their [TS]

  friends who have parents that don't know [TS]

  these rules are going to be telling them [TS]

  about that the paper and so I had I had [TS]

  to cement in their little minds that [TS]

  star wars Luke Skywalker Princess Leia [TS]

  Han Solo Chewbacca c-3po you know like I [TS]

  had like that is star wars so that by [TS]

  the time they inevitably enter the world [TS]

  of their peers in kindergarten and you [TS]

  know and regular elementary school and [TS]

  all their friends tell the model is [TS]

  pretty cool stuff that will be like like [TS]

  explain expanded universe John if you [TS]

  don't explain the prequels to your kids [TS]

  are only gonna hear about it on the [TS]

  street man hit us the thing i knew they [TS]

  were going to hear about it from their [TS]

  friends I just wanted to really lay down [TS]

  those tracks of like this is what star [TS]

  wars is it and I almost didn't care so [TS]

  much if they were like excited like that [TS]

  or whenever I just wanted to think of [TS]

  this star wars and then this is other [TS]

  crazy stuff and I know it's weird to use [TS]

  expanding universe to explain to the [TS]

  expanding universe is a real thing with [TS]

  the star wars universe but i'm i'm [TS]

  trying to say let's push the prequels [TS]

  out in right there's the cannon right [TS]

  and then there's the like sort of non [TS]

  you know not really cannon right and I [TS]

  was like this out there push the [TS]

  prequels because this star wars games [TS]

  like they play lego star wars always [TS]

  saying something like a nice nap so what [TS]

  I did was I showed those like the Star [TS]

  Wars version of the Nicene Creed where [TS]

  you just decided what's dr. no it's not [TS]

  it's it's started storing those Amish I [TS]

  think he's raising the star wars Amish [TS]

  Italy we believe in one star in the [TS]

  galaxy far far away where the Skywalker [TS]

  is the protagonist believe in three star [TS]

  wars so i showed my on my son a new hope [TS]

  first it's strictly the trigger oh yeah [TS]

  run the risk of having the ostracized [TS]

  kids who can't talk the prequels with [TS]

  their little friends on the playground [TS]

  you like the kids who didn't have TV [TS]

  they're gonna start knocking on doors [TS]

  have you like this is anyone else having [TS]

  like imagine a little circus on the [TS]

  playground like chastising his his [TS]

  fellow six-year-olds that like this is [TS]

  not always be signs are only three [TS]

  movies and Star Wars of the unbelievers [TS]

  the unbelievers in the name of the son [TS]

  and of the father that's impossible and [TS]

  the force but loading Yoda say I wasn't [TS]

  trying to turn them into like a [TS]

  preacher's for this the gospel type [TS]

  thing all you have to do is just expose [TS]

  the original movies and it's not Michael [TS]

  807 will see the kids you know i didn't [TS]

  i didn't want them to go out there like [TS]

  I knew they were gonna be told those [TS]

  other movies and I'm i was sure that [TS]

  those other movies were going to appeal [TS]

  to them I just wanted to get there first [TS]

  basically and so I showed my children a [TS]

  new hope when they were old enough to [TS]

  take it is not particularly scary but [TS]

  you know that kind of exciting whatever [TS]

  and I let that settle in i'll let them [TS]

  you know [TS]

  hey can i watch Star Wars again and they [TS]

  were just got to keep showing the New [TS]

  Hope over and over again like every time [TS]

  I ask for starters i will show the man [TS]

  your help and then when my son was older [TS]

  I said okay now he's ready for Empire [TS]

  probably maybe a show to do a little bit [TS]

  too early but I was there with them he [TS]

  made it through he was ok and then same [TS]

  type of you can see Empire few times I [TS]

  tried to simulate the experience of like [TS]

  don't destroy all three at once like I I [TS]

  let him know after he's seen the first [TS]

  Star Wars movie 19 times like you know [TS]

  is another one of these and he's like [TS]

  really oh cool watch that right and then [TS]

  after Empire was a little shaken up and [TS]

  we watched Empire until we became [TS]

  comfortable with whatever then a little [TS]

  later it's like you want to see how the [TS]

  story turns out and then the final and I [TS]

  think that simulated in compressed form [TS]

  the proper experience of star wars which [TS]

  is to watch the three movies but some [TS]

  sort of gap between them which one year [TS]

  you know three and four and five years [TS]

  old [TS]

  those gaps in you know even though it's [TS]

  like two months it seems like a long [TS]

  time i'm starting to picture scenes from [TS]

  Walden to hear as you describe this [TS]

  it ends at the enjoyed you know how did [TS]

  you get the eye hooks on the top and [TS]

  bottom eyelids did you drop like while [TS]

  they're watching the president thing I I [TS]

  let them like you know I didn't I didn't [TS]

  push the movies on the mind i showed [TS]

  them like you know you show them like [TS]

  the case for the DVD and save your [TS]

  interested that's what I never liked and [TS]

  if your instant didn't and they said no [TS]

  them in the first couple times I showed [TS]

  both of them they weren't they weren't [TS]

  interested in it also i said all right [TS]

  you're not interested you know I [TS]

  definitely did not push it on and I [TS]

  wanted them to come to it in the same [TS]

  type of way and eventually the here's [TS]

  the bad thing about this eventually they [TS]

  got through them and now it's like a [TS]

  star wars that's old hat like they're [TS]

  out of that phase already and they're [TS]

  like the easy eight years old and star [TS]

  wars all had moved on like magic cards [TS]

  or whatever you know obviously just take [TS]

  a step further use actual aversion [TS]

  therapy so you show the first three [TS]

  movies is a terrifying horrible [TS]

  circumstances and a way that's illegal [TS]

  yeah probably that's just showing them [TS]

  the first movies that have a compact in [TS]

  with the exact tried that didn't work [TS]

  that sad fact of the modern world we [TS]

  live in that there's so much other [TS]

  entertainment available that you never [TS]

  really sit down and focus on one thing I [TS]

  mean all we had with Star Wars man yeah [TS]

  unless you wanted to enjoy battle beyond [TS]

  the stars spouse are not like every time [TS]

  we watched the videotape got a little [TS]

  worse and worse yeah yeah a [TS]

  little-little stretched out now the guy [TS]

  i think one of the problems with the [TS]

  prequels is and there are so many but [TS]

  one of them is if you if you start with [TS]

  the prequels you end up with this idea [TS]

  that this is a story about this kid who [TS]

  grows up to be Darth Vader which is a is [TS]

  a totally different take on it then if [TS]

  you think it's the story of this kid [TS]

  Luke Skywalker and this bad guy Darth [TS]

  Vader and the other problem with the [TS]

  prequels is if you try to watch them in [TS]

  in that correct order the third movies [TS]

  pg-13 you know third movies Roth third [TS]

  movie is is way rougher than the other [TS]

  five [TS]

  yeah and you know my kids haven't seen [TS]

  episode 3 and we do have it in the house [TS]

  we are not a kosher family like the [TS]

  Syracuse's but we've got in our house to [TS]

  just have never seen it [TS]

  that's in the vault yeah it's sitting on [TS]

  the shelf next to all the other movies [TS]

  they can go up there at any time read [TS]

  the spine who say look at that star wars [TS]

  episode 3 [TS]

  well but but the family episode 3 is is [TS]

  that too so you if you want to watch one [TS]

  through six I i have a problem with with [TS]

  that third episode because it's it's um [TS]

  it's rougher it's just it'sit's a darker [TS]

  thing and for our kids you know I'm [TS]

  trying we've seen a few pg-13 movies but [TS]

  you know especially with really violent [TS]

  stuff I'm a little hesitant and and you [TS]

  know my son is super sensitive to the [TS]

  scary sound effects and scary music and [TS]

  actually more than things that he sees [TS]

  hears like this music and he's like oh [TS]

  no something Bad's gonna happen any [TS]

  kinda is afraid of it so so I i consider [TS]

  that episode 3 kind of a roadblock to [TS]

  taking that approach anyway I gotta say [TS]

  that compared to episode 3 is Benjamin [TS]

  seen episode 3 and actually that one [TS]

  didn't leave that much of an impression [TS]

  on him know compared to that tron tron [TS]

  legacy actually left a greater impact [TS]

  truck tron tron legacy costs me twelve [TS]

  hundred dollars because did you buy a [TS]

  let-up suit is that how that works [TS]

  no no baby did a frisbee come through [TS]

  your house and smash to give your own [TS]

  virtual reality chamber he we saw the [TS]

  movie he enjoyed it very much and that [TS]

  night he came in into two to bed with us [TS]

  and had a vivid dream and fell out of [TS]

  bed and split his head open [TS]

  uh-huh did you see them sue the filmic i [TS]

  blame the fridges know but it but his [TS]

  expects planation later and this was [TS]

  that all this was the all-time great [TS]

  line though this is what makes this a [TS]

  funny story [TS]

  he said tron legacy was just too epic [TS]

  you can't go to you can be too epic it [TS]

  was just too epic and and he spilled [TS]

  blood for tron legacy so thick veil [TS]

  thinking about thinking of trying this [TS]

  is the weird thing we're just talking [TS]

  about with the lego star wars and how a [TS]

  lot of our kids end up seeing the things [TS]

  not the source material but the derived [TS]

  properties like the video games or [TS]

  whatever and it's it may be because [TS]

  we're old we want our children to be [TS]

  interest franchises that we saw when we [TS]

  were kids and their first exposure is [TS]

  probably going to be through a child's [TS]

  television show or toy video game but at [TS]

  the same thing with tron tron uprising [TS]

  is a cartoon series [TS]

  that my son has started watching and he [TS]

  doesn't have to tell him you know it's [TS]

  based on a movie and there's two movies [TS]

  and I explained all the backstory of [TS]

  whatever but i think a lot of kids today [TS]

  are seeing that reused properties but [TS]

  not in their original form [TS]

  I like if it tells me no television [TS]

  shows based on books or yeah and or [TS]

  television shows based on movies which [TS]

  are based on books and I know that's [TS]

  because of like Hollywood sequel is the [TS]

  remake of The Beverly Hillbillies [TS]

  instead of the classic original yeah [TS]

  there's an entire generation of teeny [TS]

  boppers who are under the impression [TS]

  that if the song has an apparently it [TS]

  doesn't exist [TS]

  oh no my name my fort my 14 year old [TS]

  niece was watching the glee project and [TS]

  one of the children came onto catalogs [TS]

  son of a preacher man and I was sort of [TS]

  singing along under my breath of mine [TS]

  Easterns look at us [TS]

  you've heard of this song and I said [TS]

  honey I need to tell you about a little [TS]

  lady named dusty springfield because [TS]

  that is where this song started did not [TS]

  start with ryan murphy about their inner [TS]

  my niece and her heart are under the [TS]

  impression that the song is illegitimate [TS]

  unless or until he's been featured on [TS]

  Glee it's the same thing we've got the [TS]

  source material but Sri next to [TS]

  repackage for kids up to the job done [TS]

  example also which is my five-year-old [TS]

  Rex suddenly become fascinated with [TS]

  superheroes switch to him are all knew [TS]

  that he's done anything about in the [TS]

  Paris it's the classic and it's no [TS]

  wonder woman Superman group with the DC [TS]

  and dad did you know that there are [TS]

  super powerful creatures name [TS]

  superheroes and the properties have [TS]

  changed so much it's very complicated [TS]

  too because you know one flies now and [TS]

  the last number of years so what [TS]

  but the deal was that his preschool one [TS]

  of the kids started reading helping [TS]

  comic books with some of these pretty [TS]

  one so wretched very interested in these [TS]

  I can read books that are you know [TS]

  taking a stripped-down comic book format [TS]

  maybe more adult-oriented these days and [TS]

  putting it into a kid-friendly or format [TS]

  but the deal is the story's the same [TS]

  it's like all this incredibly terrifying [TS]

  looking characters doing stuffs [TS]

  languages like you know Lex Luthor is [TS]

  bad [TS]

  Lex Luthor has to take over the earth [TS]

  Lex Luthor fight Superman he has his [TS]

  kryptonite which can hurt Superman [TS]

  Superman bashes Lex Luthor and lex [TS]

  liquor [TS]

  mrs. he is sad but I've taken here's [TS]

  what i'm using as an education lesson [TS]

  also directs Rex ok so why does someone [TS]

  around the world that seems like a lot [TS]

  of trouble [TS]

  why does Lex Luthor want to be in charge [TS]

  he's a bad guys at villains [TS]

  supervillains like to break things and [TS]

  like but isn't a lot of effort was going [TS]

  no no daddy daddy daddy he says [TS]

  university he's bad he's a bad man he's [TS]

  a supervillain supervillains they like [TS]

  to blow up things like oh so they're [TS]

  evil yes they're evil super-villains [TS]

  like so they you know running the world [TS]

  that's the ala doesn't matter just like [TS]

  the break things but i'm trying to use [TS]

  it as lessons to explicate on the [TS]

  spectrum of evil in the world we live in [TS]

  the net interesting not sure I'm not [TS]

  sure how that's gonna go [TS]

  it has catechism hasn't gone so well so [TS]

  because you know i think in reality of [TS]

  I've complicated story before in [TS]

  previous episodes of the apples that is [TS]

  that one of the problems with things [TS]

  like Harry Potter is that I don't think [TS]

  evil exists in the end the real world to [TS]

  a large extent that everyone believes [TS]

  that they are well-intentioned no matter [TS]

  how horribly their behaved and so books [TS]

  in which evil is actually betrayed and [TS]

  find unrealistic from that standpoint [TS]

  i'd rather see very nuanced well meeting [TS]

  parties that are acting on their own [TS]

  interests and think or pretend they're [TS]

  acting well so Rex are working on that [TS]

  did daddy daddy daddy Lex Luthor it had [TS]

  a difficult childhood you don't [TS]

  understand my smooth ER just wants to be [TS]

  loved [TS]

  daddy daddy just want Superman to say [TS]

  that he's okay and that it doesn't [TS]

  matter he's bald and I think Mike Luther [TS]

  didn't get dessert daddy that's what [TS]

  happened on canonical nature of these I [TS]

  can read books like I have a real [TS]

  problem they're teaching kids the wrong [TS]

  things about hero mythos that that [TS]

  Superman you know it's just I don't like [TS]

  kryptonite here it's Superman what are [TS]

  you talking about [TS]

  does but there's just parts of its axis [TS]

  dad when he loses for some reason Jimmy [TS]

  Olsen's on the top of the Daily Planet [TS]

  like with his camera just shooting [TS]

  people on the ground there's telephoto [TS]

  lens to look for a story [TS]

  no newspaper reporter does that let me [TS]

  tell you why Jimmy Olsen well i think [TS]

  its recruits party city where you had a [TS]

  world in which a newspaper is still a [TS]

  viable employer though so you may as [TS]

  well spend most of the laws of reality [TS]

  he's he's the last Employee Lois Lane [TS]

  the only two people working at the [TS]

  finest Julian's got a book like that is [TS]

  the spider-man it's like the spider-man [TS]

  3 book and that's a terrible movie but [TS]

  the public is amusing [TS]

  is it sort of like this is Peter Peter [TS]

  it's so perfect and I was like peter is [TS]

  sad [TS]

  Peter Peter wants to do good as [TS]

  spider-man but nobody likes him like yep [TS]

  that's pretty much it i can't argue [TS]

  sheets we have some of those books too [TS]

  and it makes me sad to like another to [TS]

  teach your kids to read but unlike [TS]

  that's a that's a gross over simple i [TS]

  know you can only fit three words in [TS]

  this page but those are the three words [TS]

  then I'm was not created like that John [TS]

  this is a profound moment you and I are [TS]

  in complete Accord as moment John and I [TS]

  think we should just have a moment of [TS]

  celebration over that [TS]

  yeah its a broiling Sun kurose over [TS]

  simplification of the spider-man / [TS]

  Superman my house district now on the [TS]

  other hand my older boy has read Harry [TS]

  Potter is read the first four and teasy [TS]

  he's a good reader and he's got some [TS]

  friends his age were you are even [TS]

  stronger readers and some have read like [TS]

  the entire harry potter canada and i'm [TS]

  always sort of stunned by that Ben is [TS]

  eight just turned eight and his friends [TS]

  are around the same age and I you know I [TS]

  had veterans had difficulties as an [TS]

  adult reading Harry Potter but this is [TS]

  pretty serious stuff in the middle of [TS]

  the nonsense [TS]

  even when you get the book for we were [TS]

  only London reads books 1 2 & 3 [TS]

  initially and he kind of knew the plot [TS]

  of for me let him read it and we talked [TS]

  about it we made sure how to read it [TS]

  earlier in the day so you wouldn't read [TS]

  it just before bedtime and he didn't [TS]

  really have it sort of cartoony enough [TS]

  and it's the magic part in everything [TS]

  that i don't think the death part really [TS]

  resonated with him in the same way that [TS]

  someone being hurt and watching [TS]

  something visually would have gotten him [TS]

  like some of the videos that we've shown [TS]

  been in the past he hasn't seen any I [TS]

  mean he's really seen the muppet movie [TS]

  was actually almost too much for him [TS]

  wow what is very little too sensitive [TS]

  boys the the newer one we try to watch [TS]

  night we try to match the muppet [TS]

  christmas carol you know from 30 years [TS]

  ago and my younger boy found it [TS]

  terrifying elder is very scary ghost [TS]

  this is something that's a little [TS]

  whatever and and then wasn't totally you [TS]

  spying with it was totally into my [TS]

  fellows are my fellows are sensitive in [TS]

  a way that I hope the world will crush [TS]

  them so at some point I want to pitch [TS]

  you ate them a little bit more over time [TS]

  we try to show them things that are a [TS]

  little more difficult or a little not [TS]

  scary but just a little harder to take [TS]

  because otherwise you know they're going [TS]

  to be absolute [TS]

  destroyed by mainstream culture and i [TS]

  would prefer that not happen to them [TS]

  well what was it about the and remind me [TS]

  because I've seen I've seen them up at [TS]

  the the latest models but what was it [TS]

  what was it about the new one that was [TS]

  particularly disturbing because i don't [TS]

  have a conflict there is conflict that [TS]

  time I was younger boy gets has trouble [TS]

  really any conflict like we're like [TS]

  we've actually said to him things like [TS]

  you know this is made for kids your age [TS]

  and do you think anyone's gonna die [TS]

  zagat now he was really get hurt in a [TS]

  movie that's made for you [TS]

  I mean sometimes we've had that would [TS]

  even like Bob the Builder they'll be [TS]

  something that comes up [TS]

  where is something bad you know they're [TS]

  like this and episodes and their [TS]

  specials like a Christmas someone's lost [TS]

  in you know cant the radio doesn't work [TS]

  whatever you like they're really not [TS]

  going to freeze to death this bob the [TS]

  builder I don't recall a bob hit there [TS]

  was that episode about mr. where where [TS]

  one of the trucks was crushed by a [TS]

  little concrete but it's very special [TS]

  order a bottle fills the Donner and [TS]

  that's memorial yeah so was i don't know [TS]

  about that one choices but i think the [TS]

  muppet movie there's parks where black [TS]

  is chris chris cooper Chris Cooper [TS]

  Harrigan astok performing with your [TS]

  friends name [TS]

  yeah he is the Michael left that brings [TS]

  up an interesting point about what our [TS]

  kids are ready to handle and everything [TS]

  like that and i think this is one of [TS]

  things I didn't realize before I became [TS]

  a parent is the insane variability and [TS]

  what different children of the same age [TS]

  are able to handle media wants but in [TS]

  the singers vs reading things versus you [TS]

  know music or violence or skip it just [TS]

  unbelievable range where that I you know [TS]

  I know my children are just not I people [TS]

  ask me what age did you show your kids [TS]

  this like I don't feel like giving [TS]

  advice because the variability is like a [TS]

  multiple of their age some things that [TS]

  kids can watch it eight other kids can [TS]

  watch until they're sixteen like [TS]

  literally and it blows me away whenever [TS]

  I see John Gruber talking about what his [TS]

  son is watching because his son is right [TS]

  about my older boys aged and he'll be [TS]

  like yeah we're just watching apocalypse [TS]

  now for the 16 years old [TS]

  no I'm well I'm but maybe this [TS]

  litigation thousand police officer James [TS]

  Bond movies which was a lot of kids who [TS]

  are eight years old or nine years old [TS]

  can't handle but some kids can like and [TS]

  that's the thing like it so you know [TS]

  some parents who just put their kids in [TS]

  front of any movie they're like I don't [TS]

  care he'll be fine in the poor kid has [TS]

  nightmares and they don't care but some [TS]

  can't think most people are being [TS]

  conscientious parents and they just know [TS]

  what their kid is able to handle [TS]

  mathematically this segment of the [TS]

  discussion is making me so grateful I [TS]

  have a toddler and i haven't had to do [TS]

  that yet oh my god i have a conversation [TS]

  with been many years ago where he talked [TS]

  about how he has shown spider-man the [TS]

  the original movie to Benjamin Rand that [TS]

  blew me away because i think i think [TS]

  Julian still hasn't seen it because yeah [TS]

  there's just no way we could there's [TS]

  just no way he was going to be able to [TS]

  do it but different kids really react [TS]

  like I said with Julian it's a lot of [TS]

  its the music but he's kind of sensitive [TS]

  to it and and and other kids it's not a [TS]

  it's not a big deal at all so it is [TS]

  insane like John said it's an insane [TS]

  amount of variation between kids [TS]

  yeah well i was i mean the the [TS]

  Apocalypse Now example was one actually [TS]

  wanted to bring up because i was [TS]

  thinking about this before you know it [TS]

  leading up to this podcast because you [TS]

  know first time I saw pockets now was [TS]

  was 1981-82 so I would have been like 10 [TS]

  years old sheets [TS]

  well and and my son is 10 now and there [TS]

  is no way he's going to see apocalypse [TS]

  but did your parents know that you saw [TS]

  it that's the No [TS]

  yeah like that's I saw many movies [TS]

  before I should have seen them and I [TS]

  regret seeing anybody surely like my [TS]

  parents saying hey you know some life [TS]

  was a lot easier before parents [TS]

  understood cable that's right why was it [TS]

  that was the parents got onto on TV or [TS]

  cable that's that's when it all went [TS]

  wrong forecast for that's how I saw all [TS]

  of the movies but yeah so I saw [TS]

  apocalypse now when i was ten years old [TS]

  I've got you know like I don't know four [TS]

  different DVD versions of Apocalypse Now [TS]

  and blu-ray and there's no way he's [TS]

  gonna see pockets now but but in my [TS]

  judgment the first spider-man movie even [TS]

  though it was PG 13 and even though it [TS]

  was it was a bit intense with the with [TS]

  Uncle Ben and the Goblin all that [TS]

  it was it was ok because it was in a way [TS]

  it was it was so sort of cartoonish that [TS]

  it was it was not that big of a deal [TS]

  it's like a power rangers episode in [TS]

  some ways because the costumes are so [TS]

  inexpressive to write and so so in my [TS]

  judgment that was ok and yet we went and [TS]

  saw with with some friends of ours the a [TS]

  friend of mine and he has a slightly [TS]

  older son he's 12 or 13 whoo-hoo [TS]

  Benjamin is good pals with we went and [TS]

  saw a super 8 when that came out and [TS]

  that one those those two kids could add [TS]

  a terrible time with super 8 because of [TS]

  the the intensity of some some of the [TS]

  sequences in that movie so it depends on [TS]

  the kid it depends on the movie and so [TS]

  right now so it's all that I don't want [TS]

  to hijack this but I do have a question [TS]

  for the panel because this question just [TS]

  came up last night about the hunger [TS]

  games at my end and Benjamin hasn't read [TS]

  the books [TS]

  no not right now the mood and I idea and [TS]

  my in what I told him was I don't think [TS]

  you're ready [TS]

  the books are actually pretty dark [TS]

  compared to the movie yet jamie has a [TS]

  friend who is reading the books and I [TS]

  think that's a lot i think that's [TS]

  premature and she's you know she's ten [TS]

  going on eleven and I think that pushes [TS]

  it [TS]

  well this is the thing I want to bring [TS]

  up is is my parents are actually really [TS]

  good about controlling what TV and what [TS]

  movies on growing up but they left all [TS]

  sorts of books lying around the house [TS]

  and that's how i got my hands on mario [TS]

  puzo's The Godfather in third grade haha [TS]

  and here's the thing is in the first 17 [TS]

  pages of The Godfather there's a very [TS]

  very graphic assignation between two [TS]

  people and as an eight-year-old not only [TS]

  didn't understand half the words those [TS]

  words weren't even in the dictionary [TS]

  when I went to look that up on the sly [TS]

  and i ended up asking not about it into [TS]

  a big thing so you know so like actually [TS]

  top online for me is is how do how do [TS]

  you cultivate that again that sense of [TS]

  discovery where your kid is figuring out [TS]

  their own taste and they're getting into [TS]

  their own thing [TS]

  how do you cultivate that discovery [TS]

  while [TS]

  managing the risks that they're going to [TS]

  end up picking up something or watching [TS]

  something that's that they're not [TS]

  they're definitely not ready for yet so [TS]

  so one thing I'll say about this because [TS]

  I worry about this a lot too and one [TS]

  thing I try to remember is that a lot of [TS]

  stuff until I was very close to being of [TS]

  an age where it made sense to me it [TS]

  completely was over my head [TS]

  yeah a-and and it's a little bit [TS]

  different with books with reading but [TS]

  yeah yeah i mean you you have to you [TS]

  have to read you have to know the words [TS]

  you have to get it and even with movies [TS]

  or TV below above a certain level I mean [TS]

  like when I was a kid there were lots of [TS]

  things that now I'm like oh wow that was [TS]

  really dirty and I had no idea when I [TS]

  was a kid just a no idea to be fair with [TS]

  the whole Godfather experiences i didn't [TS]

  get half of the words and didn't [TS]

  understand anybody's motivation it took [TS]

  me a few years to realize exactly what [TS]

  was going on and you probably haven't [TS]

  seen very many mob hits at that point [TS]

  now now the markets but that's the thing [TS]

  with reading is is they they can only [TS]

  really envision stuff that they've seen [TS]

  so if they run across if they run across [TS]

  you know good fellows at some point on [TS]

  cable then it's going to mean a lot more [TS]

  to him than it is if there's reading it [TS]

  going ok so then he saw his head off [TS]

  ok whatever that means moving on leave [TS]

  but I'm gonna bump up a level which is I [TS]

  think Ben's question it and we were [TS]

  apparently all scarred we all saw stuff [TS]

  I read step two young in age and we know [TS]

  that we know now that was too young for [TS]

  us but that's a question right it's what [TS]

  are we protecting your children from [TS]

  protecting in part from we don't want [TS]

  them to have nightmares because we know [TS]

  it's gonna be hard for them to sleep [TS]

  heart of the function if they can get [TS]

  these images out of their head is [TS]

  similar argument with pornography is [TS]

  that if some photography is made it will [TS]

  be acceptable adult some not and there's [TS]

  all variation around that but you don't [TS]

  want to have a developing mind that [TS]

  isn't prepared to have the [TS]

  sophistication of the emotional depth or [TS]

  the training to cope with feelings they [TS]

  have and that's true for this kind of [TS]

  material as well as you know more [TS]

  serious things things about death and [TS]

  and so forth so I wonder like are we [TS]

  protecting our kids too much are we [TS]

  going to scar them in Reverse likely [TS]

  them so unscarred as with my children [TS]

  for instance that they are immediately [TS]

  crushed on leaving are you [TS]

  our home they go to college and [TS]

  everything that they've seen and see in [TS]

  the first week leaves and shivering and [TS]

  fetal position in their dorm room or or [TS]

  is this a good course of action we [TS]

  helping them how to cultivate the right [TS]

  kind of emotional depth and [TS]

  sophistication awareness that when they [TS]

  see material that we thought we saw too [TS]

  early or read it that they actually can [TS]

  integrate it better into their worldview [TS]

  or personality I think as soon as they [TS]

  go off to elementary school not even [TS]

  high school not acknowledge that they go [TS]

  to all memory school you don't have [TS]

  nothing to worry about because their [TS]

  friends will corrupt them to the [TS]

  incredible degree without excellently [TS]

  all the curse words all the sex talk all [TS]

  the movies that all the kids who have [TS]

  seen apocalypse now we're in their class [TS]

  and are totally cool and I'm gonna tell [TS]

  them about the seat in securing a [TS]

  picture and a third grader sitting in [TS]

  the back of the class saying horror and [TS]

  who are on Terra I of friends so that's [TS]

  why I've made it my goal to to be there [TS]

  to have the kids that seed the rest of [TS]

  transcendental century sitting on the [TS]

  Shelf which is why I've taught both my [TS]

  kids the diarrhea's already i no see [TS]

  that was my kids came back from [TS]

  elementary school with all these songs [TS]

  to my cup various songs go out there [TS]

  because like coming back from [TS]

  kindergarten kid sings it to you like [TS]

  they didn't complain new songs in the [TS]

  past 30 years i guess not you know not [TS]

  even any new version and light and it's [TS]

  good because then your kids are amazing [TS]

  you know that's how to Mike yep I no [TS]

  longer need a tiny the ocean like you [TS]

  know that's how come you know the punch [TS]

  line to all these jokes like the same [TS]

  jokes they told me in first grade and [TS]

  you know disinfected yeah so I think [TS]

  like all the protection that you do like [TS]

  they're gonna go out unless you like [TS]

  homeschool them or send them to like a [TS]

  private school private like they're [TS]

  going to go out into the world and [TS]

  there's going to be people with [TS]

  different parenting styles and like [TS]

  that's what I don't think you need to [TS]

  cultivate their curiosity because they [TS]

  they have it and they'll find the stuff [TS]

  and you can't stop them from being [TS]

  influenced by their friends and stuff [TS]

  like that you know i think i think it [TS]

  socializing with your peers is how even [TS]

  the most overprotective parent has their [TS]

  work either done or undone for them [TS]

  depending on how you look at it so like [TS]

  you get you get until they go off to [TS]

  some environment where there with other [TS]

  kids their age for most of the day and [TS]

  that that's your time to do your best to [TS]

  set this kid on the road [TS]

  exposed to the things you want to expose [TS]

  them to and everybody after that like [TS]

  you i don't i'm not into magic cards i [TS]

  don't like those things i have a pretty [TS]

  low opinion of that everything I would [TS]

  rather be my children to D&D but they [TS]

  went off and he's also friends are into [TS]

  magic cards now he's into magic cards i [TS]

  have no saying that it's just gonna [TS]

  happen you know and like my kids were [TS]

  playing pokemon made-up rules of pokemon [TS]

  and obviously getting funky mama too [TS]

  young to figure out the rules [TS]

  yeah you gotta go c'mon we have pokemon [TS]

  infection in my older boys school and [TS]

  its really spread the virus is pretty [TS]

  powerful full credit to the guys at the [TS]

  at the store where my wife bought the [TS]

  pokemon cards for my son's birthday is [TS]

  is they at first question asker is are [TS]

  they actually going to play it or just [TS]

  look at the cards and she's just the [TS]

  hackers I go get them get these they're [TS]

  cheaper in there they're more felt so [TS]

  Greg nice our good friend who was going [TS]

  to be on this podcast but he was late [TS]

  because he was helping us kids with it [TS]

  with their homework so so he doesn't get [TS]

  to be on the podcast cause he's [TS]

  parenting but Greg asked a really good [TS]

  question which is about video games that [TS]

  he I know Greg had this problem where [TS]

  he's been trying to get good games for [TS]

  his kids and his boys who are older than [TS]

  most of the kids uh of the people on [TS]

  this podcast trying to find games that [TS]

  aren't like mature rated video games [TS]

  that he's comfortable with them with [TS]

  them playing and and so I i thought i'd [TS]

  ask you guys if you've got video game [TS]

  experience with your kids and and what [TS]

  do you do I mean our kids are young [TS]

  enough i think that most of us that the [TS]

  answer is you know i'm i'm I we've got [TS]

  well with Trixie you know Lisa you just [TS]

  kind of don't have to worry about yet [TS]

  and laser pointer actually have an idea [TS]

  how about is is inadvertently [TS]

  introducing a glass ceiling because i'm [TS]

  not a gamer and because game culture is [TS]

  still not you know particularly obsessed [TS]

  with gender parity so so I worry that [TS]

  she's gonna miss out on the sort of [TS]

  cultural signifiers or more common [TS]

  experiences and I think that's always [TS]

  the rate you're going to have I i don't [TS]

  think so i can tell you that that all my [TS]

  all of Jaime's friends are into a video [TS]

  game stuff too and it really doesn't [TS]

  seem to have any split between boys and [TS]

  girls and they're all you know let that [TS]

  there's a lot at at the younger ages [TS]

  there's a lot of stuff that is really [TS]

  great and appropriate for kids [TS]

  my concern is that above a certain level [TS]

  that starts to [TS]

  seemed babyish and that's what greg has [TS]

  run into which is above that level [TS]

  you're basically on into this full-on [TS]

  adult stuff and what Greg says that he [TS]

  ends up doing is buying the generation [TS]

  older games so that like Arkham Asylum [TS]

  is rated tv-14 but arkham city is an M [TS]

  so you just kind of go back and buy the [TS]

  old game for nine dollars and and that's [TS]

  and that's but that also means his kids [TS]

  are like hopelessly years behind [TS]

  everybody else in terms of the games [TS]

  that this plenty of games in that gap [TS]

  though like they're like most distant [TS]

  you don't go right from lego star wars [TS]

  to Arkham City yes this is it may seem [TS]

  like there's a gap there because certain [TS]

  titles are popular and the reason that [TS]

  probably seems like a gap there is what [TS]

  if your kid goes off the third grade is [TS]

  gonna be all the cool third graders are [TS]

  going to be playing the rated amateur [TS]

  you know arkham asylum game and they're [TS]

  gonna tell your child about Arkham [TS]

  Asylum and neutrons going home and say [TS]

  my friends are playing arkham asylum can [TS]

  i play it but knowing your kid is ready [TS]

  to play that and and like you can steer [TS]

  them towards games that are also there [TS]

  will be there will actually be more fun [TS]

  for your child [TS]

  I actually is here again i will go back [TS]

  to what I said before about it depends [TS]

  on the kid and it depends on the product [TS]

  so as up so like some of these M games [TS]

  some some not all md games are created [TS]

  equal and so so with my son some of the [TS]

  halo games RM games and he's played them [TS]

  because they're ridiculously cartoonish [TS]

  yeah yeah and and they're they're barely [TS]

  and I I mean I don't even understand in [TS]

  some cases why there's cursing and the [TS]

  voice over so yeah there's a little bit [TS]

  as a platter violence but it's really [TS]

  not right but with that but that it's [TS]

  it's it's ridiculous and so yeah so it's [TS]

  not that not that big of a deal now that [TS]

  I actually with the with arkham city we [TS]

  actually played that together and so i [TS]

  didn't i didn't have a great problem [TS]

  with that one but there's other games [TS]

  like I play you know I place of my own I [TS]

  played a lot of modern warfare 3 and [TS]

  there's no way you know he plays that [TS]

  and there's no way he's going to play [TS]

  that on multiplayer where everybody is a [TS]

  is a savage [TS]

  and so so that we are very lightly [TS]

  actually yeah I know they're there [TS]

  they're barbarians so I make judgments [TS]

  sonic on a case-by-case basis and a lot [TS]

  of these things and so there's a lot of [TS]

  other games you like something you know [TS]

  the the little big planet was you know [TS]

  we were playing that for a long long [TS]

  time and the xbox 360 there was that oh [TS]

  shoot i can't remember the name of it [TS]

  now so that the one where I don't crap [TS]

  with the piƱatas yes we have a pinata [TS]

  that's it goes yeah yeah and my wife [TS]

  loved playing that with with my son and [TS]

  so there was a lot of that Greg says [TS]

  that one of the one of the big things [TS]

  for his his boys that a that has been a [TS]

  huge boon is minecraft because they just [TS]

  spend all their time playing minecraft [TS]

  which is not a particularly violent [TS]

  because of Minecraft his legos without [TS]

  the foot injury [TS]

  yeah exactly you can't step on a [TS]

  minecraft so so John so John Gregg Gregg [TS]

  is in the chat room and he wants he [TS]

  demands that you name names about what [TS]

  game myself [TS]

  yeah go in between your Legos and your [TS]

  Skyrim wait what's on there so i would [TS]

  say the entire Zelda series will last [TS]

  your children from the age of like seven [TS]

  when they can actually play them until [TS]

  like 13 when they're ready to play [TS]

  rated T games because those games take [TS]

  forever to play and they aren't babyish [TS]

  like they're sophisticated complicated i [TS]

  got pretty darn hard games and they last [TS]

  forever and there are tons of them and i [TS]

  highly recommend like don't you know [TS]

  it's like over there is just one Wiesel [TS]

  the game let him play the gamecube games [TS]

  let him play the virtual console games [TS]

  for you know that I found that my kids [TS]

  do not mind playing Nintendo 64 game and [TS]

  I don't even know if they notice the [TS]

  difference between Nintendo 64 game and [TS]

  PlayStation 3 game [TS]

  yeah yeah I don't think we're gonna go [TS]

  we turn our daughter is the same thing [TS]

  right [TS]

  oh yeah those are hard games like it was [TS]

  a baby because you have married looks [TS]

  like a little plumber but those are [TS]

  complicated hard exciting and dangerous [TS]

  you know [TS]

  yeah very hard all those things yeah [TS]

  Mario Kart is the that's the champion [TS]

  game around our house even to this day [TS]

  but all the mall tomorrow stuff and [TS]

  and right and kirby the kirby game [TS]

  services some of those start to get into [TS]

  the hall [TS]

  everything is here's the thing there [TS]

  these games are going to look at all [TS]

  Kirby is like a babyish game or Mario is [TS]

  or even sell that because all the [TS]

  friends are playing battlefield 3 when [TS]

  they shouldn't be because it's totally [TS]

  not appropriate for kids that age and [TS]

  those are the cool kids right but that [TS]

  does not mean that your kid will not [TS]

  become totally addicted to playing [TS]

  through winwaker even though it's a [TS]

  little cartoony Zelda rights ok can I [TS]

  get a first person shooter with Mario [TS]

  that thing about first-person shooters [TS]

  like your talk about how hello has a [TS]

  cartoon violence and everything that is [TS]

  still kind of a game in which you play a [TS]

  disembodied gun floating out of the [TS]

  center of your body constantly pointing [TS]

  it new things to shoot even if its [TS]

  cartoon violence and even if it's not [TS]

  even if it's like played for laughs or [TS]

  whatever this still that's kind of a [TS]

  line of like to want my child spending [TS]

  all their time aiming their gun at [TS]

  something and then like magic want that [TS]

  blows bubbles [TS]

  okay all right yes that no no that and [TS]

  that's note that on that point John that [TS]

  that was very much alive in my mind it [TS]

  was initially and i think that in that [TS]

  instance see again I think it goes back [TS]

  to what we were talking about before i [TS]

  mean i think i think it I I don't think [TS]

  you can universalize it and I think it [TS]

  depends on the kid and I think it [TS]

  depends on on your level of maturity and [TS]

  the particular context which the game is [TS]

  played and I think again and also to you [TS]

  know I I don't let I don't let my my son [TS]

  spend you know hours and hours and hours [TS]

  and hours of one interrupt gaming time [TS]

  and you know and there's and I I [TS]

  supervise a great deal and so in that [TS]

  instance it was pretty clear that that [TS]

  you know that that this sort of that [TS]

  sort of shooting violence that you see [TS]

  in Halo versus what you would have in a [TS]

  in one of the modern warfare games or [TS]

  battlefield or whatever there there's [TS]

  there's a although the mechanics of the [TS]

  game are essentially the same the [TS]

  context is different [TS]

  yeah that thing is that that feeling [TS]

  like that that [TS]

  you have to know your children and it [TS]

  depending on your child children are [TS]

  going to be drawn to these types i know [TS]

  i was drawn to these types of games [TS]

  that's why all their friends are drawing [TS]

  these types of games and it's not as if [TS]

  you can keep them away from that type of [TS]

  game but you have to sort of like meter [TS]

  it like you want to give them an outlet [TS]

  for this desire to play these types of [TS]

  games but you don't want to let them [TS]

  indulgent to the degree that they would [TS]

  because many little boys and I assume [TS]

  little girls as well our are savages [TS]

  like if you have left is lord of the [TS]

  flies right so your job as a parent to [TS]

  kind of guide that and say you can play [TS]

  a first-person shooter but not the one [TS]

  where you you torture people to get [TS]

  information and killer rocky children or [TS]

  you know like yeah so and and then limit [TS]

  your time and like try to mix up with [TS]

  some racing games or so you know likes [TS]

  you just just because some little boy [TS]

  constantly wants to kill things doesn't [TS]

  end there are many forms of [TS]

  entertainment let them indulge those [TS]

  feelings you have to kind of like heard [TS]

  them towards you know you can't you [TS]

  can't cut it off that's the worst thing [TS]

  you do my parents would not let me own [TS]

  any toy guns and they removed the little [TS]

  sliding lightsabers from my star wars [TS]

  figures arms they went up and down now [TS]

  and all that made me do was want that [TS]

  stuff even more and everything i'm at a [TS]

  master weaponsmith in my childhood so [TS]

  that's not the answer either write your [TS]

  absence I just imagine with the tiny and [TS]

  filmmaking mesas and Syria you have [TS]

  spare you have no idea you have no it's [TS]

  not like that the making the ring of the [TS]

  needle looking at the spaceman tiny [TS]

  little ring of the needle again [TS]

  yeah and so that like that's what you [TS]

  are you coming fighting with you have to [TS]

  look at your kid and say how drawn is my [TS]

  child to this type of game and how can I [TS]

  give them an out some outlet for those [TS]

  feelings in a better manner than if if I [TS]

  just forbid it and then go over their [TS]

  friends house and play battlefield 3 [TS]

  which I don't want you know right to try [TS]

  and try and give them some of what they [TS]

  what they want and make it part of this [TS]

  nutritious breakfast so to speak instead [TS]

  of just the gorging on i'm going to just [TS]

  kill everything all the time [TS]

  although the the counter example would [TS]

  be if we want to get them to do things [TS]

  we should completely forbid them from [TS]

  you can't play D&D on my life you may [TS]

  never get a deeper however kids get [TS]

  smart fast the glam [TS]

  get smart really fast we have a running [TS]

  joke in my house is my kids will say [TS]

  something like when you can be watching [TS]

  out the simpsons or for this movie I'm [TS]

  like uh you know when you're 43 like [TS]

  we'll be at the house whatever in one [TS]

  night there like I wanna Rex I think it [TS]

  was Rex the five-year-old's an MP said [TS]

  something like I think we should all go [TS]

  skydiving as a family i said that's [TS]

  great you can totally do that [TS]

  a week after I'm dead let's put that on [TS]

  the calendar says I'm dead [TS]

  you're completely like this kind of as [TS]

  often as you want yeah you watch they're [TS]

  gonna make that like your memorial now [TS]

  as dad always said if that's the exact [TS]

  yeah making a skydiving scatter your [TS]

  ashes overall know they're gonna get it [TS]

  is slightly wrong I'm gonna be like dad [TS]

  always said that he wanted to be dropped [TS]

  out of an airplane mechanic behind [TS]

  that's the that's the telephone game [TS]

  version of last wishes [TS]

  yeah he'll take your ashes when they do [TS]

  their first guy Dave no that's great i [TS]

  like all those possibilities including [TS]

  having my corpse dropped out of a plane [TS]

  to capture damn fine with me if it makes [TS]

  them up whatever whatever my children [TS]

  want I just want them to grow up happy [TS]

  occasion I can see I don't want to go [TS]

  too well I did your children grow up [TS]

  miserable one now I'd like them to I'd [TS]

  like her to grow up with a sense of [TS]

  purpose and the tool flies have a [TS]

  productive life but send a Harvard that [TS]

  if that's what you have to do [TS]

  no I'm not saying it's not like that [TS]

  what I'm saying is I think if you're [TS]

  like well I just want them to be happy I [TS]

  think you I think you're actually kind [TS]

  of set the bar really high because then [TS]

  every time they're unhappy they sort of [TS]

  feel like they're feeling their parents [TS]

  will secretly honor them to fit secretly [TS]

  weather fails if I say whether it be [TS]

  happy i have no unhappy son i mean i'd [TS]

  rather have somebody who has a sense of [TS]

  who she is and what she wants and what [TS]

  she wants rather than somebody has to be [TS]

  you know i'm not happy what did I fail [TS]

  or I'm not happy i have no idea how to [TS]

  deal with that you know I want to [TS]

  achieve at their level of potential and [TS]

  if that means being a ski bomb and be a [TS]

  really great ski bum totally yeah that [TS]

  was actually approached my parents took [TS]

  and then they would depend what you're [TS]

  going to be a Beachcomber we have to [TS]

  support yourself [TS]

  yeah that's true too yeah but you could [TS]

  be awesome if you're awesome at its [TS]

  great be a really great [TS]

  yeah that's the to be speech covers [TS]

  pretty cool yeah i'm told me [TS]

  that something that Lisa said earlier [TS]

  that i really liked is this idea that [TS]

  you're not necessarily forcing your kids [TS]

  and because you kinda it kinda doesn't [TS]

  work [TS]

  forcing them to like things that you [TS]

  like but the idea that you create an [TS]

  environment where they're going to [TS]

  they're going to discover from you know [TS]

  from these things that you put in front [TS]

  of them they're gonna find the things [TS]

  that they like and and if they [TS]

  ultimately like things that you don't [TS]

  like that's fine but that you know you [TS]

  have those moments where you think you [TS]

  know if my daughter loves baseball [TS]

  my son doesn't really but my my daughter [TS]

  loves baseball she's got the MLB app on [TS]

  her ipod and she like [TS]

  we'll listen I used to listen to radio [TS]

  broadcast of games from far away when i [TS]

  fall asleep at night and she has the MLB [TS]

  app and she plays baseball games on the [TS]

  radio on her ipod as she falls asleep [TS]

  and that's great and I you know it just [TS]

  happened and I I it is a wonderful thing [TS]

  and it's a with my son [TS]

  where where I tried to encourage you [TS]

  know superheroes and comics and so I [TS]

  wanted my kids to be comic book literate [TS]

  because i think that it's just a form [TS]

  that that you've got to learn how to [TS]

  read comics and my wife never really [TS]

  learned how to read comics and so she [TS]

  doesn't appreciate them in the same way [TS]

  but I did have that moment with Julian [TS]

  where he said where we had a discussion [TS]

  of superheroes and he declared the [TS]

  Batman was the best superhero and I was [TS]

  as we as it as a spider-man as a [TS]

  spider-man partisan [TS]

  spider-man partisan [TS]

  this tour this tore my heart out and so [TS]

  we would have long actually debates [TS]

  about why why [TS]

  Spiderman was clearly better than Batman [TS]

  and and and the funny thing is when I [TS]

  when I let it drop and I said I you know [TS]

  I love my son even if he loves Batman [TS]

  I'm my son even if he loves fast i love [TS]

  my Batman loving son by letting it go [TS]

  for a little while he it it's amazing he [TS]

  kind of like once he was outside of that [TS]

  kind of discussion he started [TS]

  appreciating spider-man 2 right and so [TS]

  in some ways it was like he didn't know [TS]

  he was disappointing you hurting my [TS]

  father can see it in his eyes when he [TS]

  looks at me what once Maya once once the [TS]

  pressure was off then he was actually [TS]

  free to go back and appreciate [TS]

  spider-man but it is it was really a a [TS]

  great moment that I could I could get [TS]

  him exposed to all the great stuff but [TS]

  he's gonna do you like what he's gonna [TS]

  like and you gotta go with it and [TS]

  embrace the the stuff that you're [TS]

  excited about NX embrace in general that [TS]

  they found things that they love and the [TS]

  specifics don't matter and you can't [TS]

  control them anyway so don't sweat the [TS]

  specifics just be glad that there's [TS]

  their stuff that you love that you think [TS]

  is valuable and can add to their [TS]

  contentment in life that and some of [TS]

  that they may actually that may resonate [TS]

  with them and I think that's all that's [TS]

  all you can really do [TS]

  well i agree and that's that's why [TS]

  that's why it's a wonderful thing that [TS]

  my son knows that iron man is the best [TS]

  superhero nah didn't thank you God bless [TS]

  you and good reminded the point I want [TS]

  to make about about about kids and their [TS]

  and their taste and mark one thing we're [TS]

  not mentioning here that I think we all [TS]

  agree on is that kids have bad taste [TS]

  like it is it yes terrible great so like [TS]

  a little baby you think will you jingle [TS]

  your keys in front of a baby like that [TS]

  the highest form of entertainment ever [TS]

  you go like actually really I actually [TS]

  really enjoy finding out my daughter [TS]

  doesn't doesn't like as far as music [TS]

  goes because you will play stuff on the [TS]

  deep on the CD player and you just hear [TS]

  this display now from the backseat but [TS]

  she doesn't like some yeah and so like [TS]

  as they get older their taste the case [TS]

  change immature right but [TS]

  here's the danger when your kids are you [TS]

  know like toddler age or elementary [TS]

  school-age is that to them this awesome [TS]

  thing that you love is equally [TS]

  entertaining and valuable as this [TS]

  terrible thing that as an adult you can [TS]

  realize all this is like the lowest [TS]

  possible form of entertainment and this [TS]

  is high art but to a kid they're exactly [TS]

  the same so my strategy and my household [TS]

  has been looking if they're it's the [TS]

  same one way or the other [TS]

  like if Dora the Explorer is exactly the [TS]

  same to them as a Pixar movie like this [TS]

  they see no quality difference between [TS]

  these two things but I'm sure it's like [TS]

  do I have said look if it's the same to [TS]

  them i'm going to expunge all [TS]

  entertainment that I know not to be [TS]

  great entertainment from from the house [TS]

  because look if I you know if I can say [TS]

  no dora the explorer try kiki's delivery [TS]

  service and they like them equally [TS]

  it makes me feel so much better as a [TS]

  parent to know that that a i'm giving [TS]

  them something that isn't just terrible [TS]

  crap and be that when they're older they [TS]

  can say offers that movie that I saw [TS]

  when I was a kid and go back and watch [TS]

  it and not had that feeling that we all [TS]

  have like when we go back and look at [TS]

  the GI Joe episode in high school I do [TS]

  this every sat yeah like what was I [TS]

  thinking like you know they'll go back [TS]

  and go you know what I was a genius as a [TS]

  kid because i love this movie now as an [TS]

  adult to you know that's that's my goal [TS]

  with exposing my kids two things that [TS]

  that are high-quality thanks dad [TS]

  is there is there anything that you deny [TS]

  your kids because you think it's crap [TS]

  even though you know they would enjoy it [TS]

  probably i'm going to think I'd have to [TS]

  figure out what it is much Bob [TS]

  SpongeBob's awesome ones bob is the last [TS]

  thing I will ever let my kids I deny [TS]

  them stuff not because I'm afraid it's [TS]

  going to ruin their critical faculties [TS]

  or or turn them into you know my number [TS]

  hobbies but just because i can't abide [TS]

  it oh yeah thatthat's the usually [TS]

  primary motivation like I can't have [TS]

  their on in my house anywhere ever like [TS]

  cannot exist [TS]

  john i'm the map i'm the map i'm the man [TS]

  who do we have when we don't know which [TS]

  way to go [TS]

  say map saying [TS]

  back back back back certain seasons [TS]

  spongebob early seasons were quite good [TS]

  before it before it went downhill and i [TS]

  still would never let my children [TS]

  watching you two it's like there's a [TS]

  level of subversiveness friend of mine [TS]

  his story is used to watch with his very [TS]

  young children watch things like king of [TS]

  the hill in the simpsons until the night [TS]

  his four-year-old slaps his wife on the [TS]

  action says get me my food woman and [TS]

  that was the end all your household in [TS]

  the hell and some students and those [TS]

  cartoons until the children left the [TS]

  house that is a universe away from from [TS]

  SpongeBob SquarePants [TS]

  yeah like the things that might seem to [TS]

  have no value like spongebob seems to [TS]

  have no value to me know knowing a [TS]

  spongebob spongebob is very funny as [TS]

  certain very arch episodes if you want [TS]

  the wrong spongebob you think it's [TS]

  terrible to watch the right one [TS]

  it's an incredible indictment serious [TS]

  statement of money now it's actually [TS]

  very clever episode some of them [TS]

  well well well it's like the Simpsons [TS]

  right i mean i mean spongebob is [TS]

  actually i think more attuned to adults [TS]

  and teenagers in this for toddlers and [TS]

  preschoolers because i really want to [TS]

  jerk right i mean the show is full of [TS]

  jerks who talked like well jerks and and [TS]

  it's funny at times if you get like [TS]

  let's get the kind of you know the the [TS]

  the the hinted at stories but the but [TS]

  the actual stories on the top surface [TS]

  what the kids are going to take away [TS]

  from it is just these people are jerks [TS]

  Wow and the other thing that I did try [TS]

  to hurt my kids or something good is [TS]

  foremost for like especially my first [TS]

  good for the first like three years I [TS]

  like these children and never saw an [TS]

  advertisement and never saw a program [TS]

  that was not educational in some way [TS]

  yeah so like my kids are like crazy i'm [TS]

  like in a word world WordGirl Super Why [TS]

  like and like those shows even though [TS]

  they work long and annoying i didn't [TS]

  care about their letters right and it [TS]

  was almost like my kids not going to [TS]

  know that there exists entertainment [TS]

  that isn't also educational look at a [TS]

  certain point I was afraid that i should [TS]

  show them something that doesn't have an [TS]

  educational component because of them [TS]

  will be failing them but that took care [TS]

  of itself [TS]

  that goes back to building up kind of an [TS]

  inoculation against the outside culture [TS]

  where I discovered I've said this on the [TS]

  podcast before we use the DVR so much [TS]

  that at some point we will we suddenly [TS]

  were watching something like sports or [TS]

  something that was alive and my kids had [TS]

  no immunity to commercials because they [TS]

  they had not built up that in there like [TS]

  volume products can be purchased like no [TS]

  no no no let me explain what you're [TS]

  seeing here because they just had no no [TS]

  we learn to eventually to tune out [TS]

  commercials are knew what they were [TS]

  doing today we learned that a beggar mom [TS]

  to buy the toys what we learned capital [TS]

  of the classic but they were out of [TS]

  class and my parents the buzz kills [TS]

  would sit around a reality check the [TS]

  commercials for us what I have the [TS]

  classic is my kids and watching some of [TS]

  the NBA with my in-laws house where they [TS]

  have actual television which we do not [TS]

  watch the olympics on the line watch the [TS]

  game watch the game commercial comes on [TS]

  the light commercial commercial NBC [TS]

  comedies come on like commercial [TS]

  commercial know those people are [TS]

  actually talking about no it's clearly [TS]

  an advertising like know those people [TS]

  actually pay all right maybe you can [TS]

  filter the couple was very funny and no [TS]

  no i think it's interesting I mean what [TS]

  other people do about commercials for us [TS]

  like like John said we we we started out [TS]

  with all shows must be educational have [TS]

  no no commercials and it's still our [TS]

  favorite thing about netflix streaming [TS]

  is that we can watch the same shows that [TS]

  are on TV but have them without the [TS]

  commercials because the cover so [TS]

  horrible and insidious in a lot of ways [TS]

  we've gotten to the point now where they [TS]

  see commercials but like jason said that [TS]

  they didn't have that immunity built up [TS]

  and so when they first started seeing [TS]

  commercials like they burned into their [TS]

  brain and they could immediately recall [TS]

  them a week later exactly what they saw [TS]

  that commercial and why they wanted have [TS]

  no immunity commercials anymore [TS]

  technology a combination of hulu tivo & [TS]

  web streaming media it i just i'd never [TS]

  see them stuff i'm watching live TV and [TS]

  commercial comes all of a sudden it's [TS]

  it's I feel like that make it harder [TS]

  make it stop [TS]

  it's like no it's like I'm in a cargo [TS]

  cult from like what is this wondrous [TS]

  product you must tell me more come back [TS]

  on my screen please I need to see what's [TS]

  going on this is much easier i mean it's [TS]

  much easier to to dance point to isolate [TS]

  yourself from [TS]

  commercials and and just because you've [TS]

  got DVR so you can fast forward and [TS]

  you've got on demand stuff and dvds the [TS]

  don't even have it [TS]

  although i will i will say my kids if [TS]

  they're watching something at like lego [TS]

  ninjago which is itself a commercial [TS]

  right John it's yeah actually this is [TS]

  one area where I've actually done Lisa's [TS]

  parents thing and explain to my children [TS]

  how old [TS]

  lego ninjago is an ad for toys and as [TS]

  for toys realize that have explained [TS]

  this and just so you know you can keep [TS]

  watching and now you're like Legos and [TS]

  everything but you realize this is giant [TS]

  ad for toys but you know and somebody [TS]

  who works in in ad funded media they [TS]

  always say well you know people like the [TS]

  ads there its information to write and I [TS]

  you roll your eyes but my kids if [TS]

  they've got the remote and they're [TS]

  controlling it and you know adults [TS]

  stepped out of the room and they're [TS]

  watching lego ninjago they don't forward [TS]

  past commercials because to them the [TS]

  commercials are fascinating if it like [TS]

  oh we could get that that's so cool i [TS]

  like this commercial it's really funny [TS]

  and they don't you know I have to yell [TS]

  at them like fast-forward through the [TS]

  commercials stop watching the [TS]

  commercials because I'm rock it baby bug [TS]

  me and I don't want them watching them [TS]

  but they love them so it you know i [TS]

  think that's kind of interesting too [TS]

  that the kids actually kinda like [TS]

  commercials because they're targeted at [TS]

  them right [TS]

  like maybe can I just say that one of my [TS]

  proudest moments as a parent is when the [TS]

  six-year-old picked up the remote and [TS]

  and said I know where the 32nd Skinner [TS]

  but his daddy and uses it regularly now [TS]

  when watching the show so where we feel [TS]

  very SI kasta issue [TS]

  yeah I taught both my kids to use the [TS]

  tivo control in 30 seconds skip like way [TS]

  before they can do anything else think [TS]

  about it the play button the pause [TS]

  button and 30 seconds skip and the first [TS]

  time a commercial ever came on for my [TS]

  kids like I think they're watching a [TS]

  show one of us wasn't for once [TS]

  controlling the remote i think it was my [TS]

  son [TS]

  we're watching the show and then the [TS]

  show ended the show had the mid-show [TS]

  break in the commercial came on his [TS]

  daddy something's wrong with the TV and [TS]

  it was very concerned this television is [TS]

  broken like and he had no interest in [TS]

  them but as as Jason said eventually as [TS]

  they get older and they get into the [TS]

  target area those commercials are [TS]

  designed like guided missiles to make [TS]

  the kids want to watch them and I do the [TS]

  same thing like don't forget to skip [TS]

  commercials for the most part they skip [TS]

  because they want to see what happens [TS]

  next on Ninjago yeah and [TS]

  is no way they're gonna sit there and [TS]

  sit through something but occasionally [TS]

  they like it commercial starts playing [TS]

  and it catches out of chloride will sit [TS]

  there and watch it and I have to school [TS]

  one to go past about you can you can [TS]

  select the whole ads are all the [TS]

  televisions themselves are ads [TS]

  advertising data is not asking in we've [TS]

  had that conversation with our [TS]

  six-year-old though about commercials [TS]

  like likely said where you sit down with [TS]

  him you say these are there because [TS]

  they're there they're trying to get you [TS]

  to buy stuff [TS]

  yeah I want you to go to the store and [TS]

  buy this thing and and the six-year-old [TS]

  is kind of understands that now and and [TS]

  and and so we're happy about that the [TS]

  four-year-olds not quite there yet but [TS]

  he says so dad bod for me to buy it for [TS]

  me that's exactly it [TS]

  that's that right and what about what I [TS]

  want to happen actually mean the [TS]

  commercial or an agreement on this [TS]

  matter that Julian what you want for [TS]

  your birthday I want to go to target and [TS]

  buy things really ok we're not gonna do [TS]

  that but Ben knows every location within [TS]

  a 30-mile radius to sell phone cards by [TS]

  the same thing that's expected so so I'm [TS]

  before we go because we've been talking [TS]

  for quite a long time I want to go [TS]

  around and and ask everybody to tell me [TS]

  this is this is a little bit like in our [TS]

  book club where I ask what are you [TS]

  reading I'd like to hear something that [TS]

  your kids something that your kids [TS]

  really like and it could be anything but [TS]

  i think that would be kind of [TS]

  interesting of like something book movie [TS]

  TV show [TS]

  I don't know music whatever something [TS]

  that you and your kids let's say really [TS]

  like I i think that would be interesting [TS]

  maybe it won't be in which case i'll [TS]

  edit this whole part out then what is [TS]

  what something that your kids like well [TS]

  this is going to sound even worse than [TS]

  the Spongebob commercials because we're [TS]

  sort of Spongebob cultists but Benjamin [TS]

  and I Benjamin and i really love [TS]

  watching regular show on cartoon network [TS]

  switch maybe yeah which may be a little [TS]

  bit may not be quite appropriate for his [TS]

  age but we we get a great big kick out [TS]

  of [TS]

  you know the the Blue Jay and the McCune [TS]

  easy and am I wasn't hell is he [TS]

  you know meddling with with supernatural [TS]

  forces and let you know which I know [TS]

  nothing [TS]

  well i just i look like i blanked out [TS]

  and I've had a couple of glasses as [TS]

  infidels yeah [TS]

  forgive me good but that's that's the [TS]

  show that my son and I like to watch and [TS]

  then umbrella over the lessons [TS]

  infidelity two or three or in bella [TS]

  really is into right now she's into [TS]

  tangled actually and and that the thing [TS]

  about that is she likes Rapunzel but [TS]

  mainly she wants to she wants to grow [TS]

  her hair really long so that's I think [TS]

  that's what that's all about [TS]

  so that's that's my deal right that's [TS]

  great Dan Frakes what what what are your [TS]

  kids liking well before I said I just [TS]

  want to say that I know I'm not supposed [TS]

  to do this on the internet but um ok [TS]

  like hearing about other people parents [TS]

  the way other people other way other [TS]

  parents do things and I I appreciate [TS]

  that not supposed to like other parents [TS]

  you're not supposed to like other [TS]

  parents thing on the internet i know i [TS]

  know but but now I mean it's for me [TS]

  being a parent is has always been a [TS]

  terrifying thing from before I was [TS]

  apparent and even now because you're [TS]

  creating a human being even more now i [TS]

  would say right right hex now you see [TS]

  the full impact of it but now it's a [TS]

  terrifying thing to me and I'm always [TS]

  trying to be you know be a good parent [TS]

  and I just know I know other good [TS]

  parents and i like to hear how they do [TS]

  things so it's been fascinating [TS]

  listening to other things here that out [TS]

  of the way the thing that might my older [TS]

  daughter right now loves is doc [TS]

  mcstuffin and I know what I mean if [TS]

  you've seen this but it's a disney [TS]

  cartoon and at first my wife when I [TS]

  really don't know a disney cartoon about [TS]

  a girl but it's a it's this little [TS]

  african-american girl whose parents are [TS]

  both doctors and she wants to be a [TS]

  doctor and she's smart and she's like [TS]

  the whole like fixing problems and [TS]

  finding problems in figure [TS]

  fixing gadgets and stuff and it was so [TS]

  unlike anything I expected from a Disney [TS]

  show and I'm actually kind of happy that [TS]

  my daughter likes this because it's so [TS]

  different than any other cartoons out [TS]

  there and it's still a Disney show and [TS]

  still kinda cheesy here and there but [TS]

  the role models if it has an ending [TS]

  things that it that it highlights are [TS]

  you know are things that were ok with [TS]

  and so we're pretty we're kind of [TS]

  enjoying that she's going through this [TS]

  phase [TS]

  ok alright i hadn't heard of that one so [TS]

  good [TS]

  good to know Glenn fleischmann what what [TS]

  are your kids liking well pokemon cards [TS]

  pokemon pokemon is a medic virus it's us [TS]

  south park episode about the Polka [TS]

  Chinpokomon yes doesn't seem false to me [TS]

  now it's just something a little too [TS]

  dramatic about it but I know what we we [TS]

  like is as a family is shaun the sheep [TS]

  which is only sold favorite there's even [TS]

  a spin-off about Timmy the Sheep little [TS]

  baby she going to preschool the opposite [TS]

  is good but Sean the only thing that's [TS]

  wrong with sean is it needs to be more [TS]

  and more seasons is very clever show [TS]

  it's got a lot of good Israel will roll [TS]

  weakly kind of grown-up stuff in it and [TS]

  it is just hilarious [TS]

  what's funny is we used we watch the [TS]

  show for a while in my wife popped in [TS]

  once and said nobody talks the show do [TS]

  they all the future 100 where's think [TS]

  about it because they make bleeding [TS]

  noises and other things in the farmer [TS]

  makes noises but it's pretty good my dad [TS]

  wants us all to watch phineas and ferb [TS]

  he's taken by that my dad was a [TS]

  political fan used to watch TV sales [TS]

  music college and and like spongebob it [TS]

  was on the early seasons so i have not [TS]

  worn condition for being perhaps in the [TS]

  kids are older we will [TS]

  it's good it's not bad [TS]

  financing for John syracuse so what are [TS]

  your kids liking something [TS]

  lego ninjago a lot yeah there's not a [TS]

  lot of overlap between my daughter and [TS]

  my son like it's not for lack of trying [TS]

  because we get them all pretty much the [TS]

  same don't totally get them both legos [TS]

  we get them both you know dolls but you [TS]

  know action figures over and it's like [TS]

  they just gravitate towards [TS]

  what they want but they did find one [TS]

  common interest in a television show and [TS]

  that they're forced to watch each [TS]

  other's television shows to some degree [TS]

  because the others the one TV and sit on [TS]

  the couch and take turns right the one [TS]

  show that they could both agree on for a [TS]

  long period of time and they're actually [TS]

  out of this phase now but I think it's [TS]

  worth mentioning is a my little pony [TS]

  friendship is magic [TS]

  Wow holy jesus your kids are bronies [TS]

  which is a show that adult men profess [TS]

  phantom 4 and both both my son and my [TS]

  daughter got totally into the show my [TS]

  son was old enough now to to to hide [TS]

  this fact a little bit and I you know [TS]

  like we are writing a picture of what [TS]

  while he was watching my little pony [TS]

  like that take pictures and why do you [TS]

  know but he was totally into it and so [TS]

  is my daughter and this is a show by the [TS]

  way that my little pony show is made by [TS]

  I think it's a woman or whoever is the [TS]

  creative force behind this research is [TS]

  someone who played with my little ponies [TS]

  a child but realize that her childhood [TS]

  my little pony and the things they had [TS]

  back then were crap and she wanted to [TS]

  make a show that looks to her now as an [TS]

  adult [TS]

  what she imagined the quality she [TS]

  imagined in my little pony when she was [TS]

  a child so she made a show that is not [TS]

  terrible for adults to watch that [TS]

  actually is clever and interesting i [TS]

  kind of like you know Richie's [TS]

  retconning her own childhood so my [TS]

  little pony was just hollow crap when I [TS]

  was a kid but I thought it was the best [TS]

  thing ever so I'm going to make a show [TS]

  now is a creative adult that actually is [TS]

  the best thing ever and oh by the way [TS]

  kids boys and girls will like it and I [TS]

  was amazed by that I didn't introduce [TS]

  the show to them they found it on their [TS]

  own [TS]

  through the magic of netflix or one of [TS]

  the other team services we have hooked [TS]

  up to our TV and I give that a big [TS]

  thumbs-up community between brother and [TS]

  sister [TS]

  alright 22 which been a check replied [TS]

  holy jesus just throw that in there [TS]

  uh Steve Lutz what what are your kids [TS]

  like him [TS]

  well it's kind of hard to to Center on [TS]

  one particular thing because just the [TS]

  nature of having so much entertainment [TS]

  at their fingertips we kind of bounced [TS]

  all over the place you know they'll go [TS]

  through a phase where we're we're [TS]

  enjoying a particular show or or [TS]

  or a movie or something but that phase [TS]

  seems like it lasts about 30 seconds and [TS]

  then we're on to the next thing they're [TS]

  there was a kind of harry potter thing [TS]

  going on for a while ago yeah and and [TS]

  that's that's kind of over and done with [TS]

  although it so i mean that's that's [TS]

  that's pretty much done that they were [TS]

  big on and still are actually I big on [TS]

  all the Disney Channel shows I I can [TS]

  kind of here Greg NOS from here [TS]

  screaming he's not a big fan of those [TS]

  but some of them are not terribly bad [TS]

  and I can get some of them are even [TS]

  tolerable enough to sit and watch that [TS]

  maybe I'm going too far but yeah okay [TS]

  and there are a few that aren't that bad [TS]

  i mean there's there's something fairly [TS]

  clever good luck charlie is not terrible [TS]

  huh [TS]

  there are there something that you know [TS]

  make you want to call your eyeballs out [TS]

  but yeah there are a few that are decent [TS]

  and there was briefly there was actually [TS]

  a sketch show called so random which was [TS]

  I guess a spin-off of something called [TS]

  sunny with a chance that i forget the [TS]

  girl's name she had some sort of eating [TS]

  disorder and had quit [TS]

  well at any rate her her previous [TS]

  vehicle ended and then the rest of the [TS]

  Caddy the show was about her being on a [TS]

  sketch-comedy show and when she could no [TS]

  longer continue with the show and that [TS]

  show was cancelled they actually took [TS]

  the show within the show and made it the [TS]

  show so so random which was the show [TS]

  that she had previously been starring in [TS]

  in sunny with the chance what it was now [TS]

  the actual show which is kind of weird [TS]

  and meta because the characters in the [TS]

  show have you know there there there [TS]

  there Sonny with a Chance names so [TS]

  everybody has a different name than what [TS]

  their actual name is I don't know it's [TS]

  it's a it's a little weird anyway up but [TS]

  we really enjoyed that i'm not sure if [TS]

  that's been been cancelled or not but [TS]

  that was actually appointment viewing [TS]

  for the family for a while [TS]

  lately though the the probably one of [TS]

  the be prouder moments of my parenting [TS]

  career is that i have managed to get the [TS]

  kids into point-and-click adventure [TS]

  games something for my you that I really [TS]

  appreciate it [TS]

  and most recently we've been playing [TS]

  through the first series of the telltale [TS]

  games salmon max which has been pretty [TS]

  enjoyable and they it's fun to watch [TS]

  them kind of work through things [TS]

  although they get frustrated and give up [TS]

  a lot quicker than i would like which is [TS]

  kind of something that I'm trying to [TS]

  work on with them I you know I could [TS]

  through got other things to do for us we [TS]

  had nothing but that screen and mouse [TS]

  and you're gonna figure out how to see [TS]

  the next screen if it kills us [TS]

  well it's really interesting to see the [TS]

  difference between my son and my [TS]

  daughter my daughter gives up [TS]

  immediately and she'll ask me you know [TS]

  what I do and my son will bang his head [TS]

  against the wall for a long long time [TS]

  before he'll give up so they have very [TS]

  different approaches to to the game but [TS]

  it's interesting trying to kind of walk [TS]

  the tightrope between you know I don't [TS]

  want to just walk you through the game I [TS]

  want you to actually go get something [TS]

  out of it and appreciate the truth [TS]

  you've managed to solve a puzzle and you [TS]

  figured out the game and nu you really [TS]

  feel like you've achieved something when [TS]

  you're done with it but at the same time [TS]

  if you don't guide them through at a [TS]

  reasonable level they give up on it and [TS]

  they walk away and then they don't get [TS]

  to enjoy the game out that was good [TS]

  those games are pretty hard though I [TS]

  mean as adults who can't get through [TS]

  those so you do have to help out a [TS]

  little bit [TS]

  well the tell-tale ones I find are all [TS]

  pretty easy which is nice because [TS]

  they're there episodic and so you know [TS]

  they release one of six episodes every [TS]

  month or something and so each of them [TS]

  is in its own right maybe about an hour [TS]

  and a half long at the most so most [TS]

  puzzles are pretty simplistic you don't [TS]

  have 6,000 are you're playing the new [TS]

  ones not be about the originals [TS]

  that's right yeah now I haven't I [TS]

  haven't really gotten into the the old [TS]

  ones before becoming harder to [TS]

  experience the ones with the full they [TS]

  were yeah and having experienced the [TS]

  games with the full voice acting and all [TS]

  that stuff it's it's kind of hard to [TS]

  wean them off of that and pull them back [TS]

  to something like monkey island which I [TS]

  would dearly love to get them into [TS]

  although in the case of monkey island [TS]

  they have actually released some special [TS]

  editions that would with the voice [TS]

  acting so that's probably where we'll go [TS]

  next but right now I'm just trying to [TS]

  wrap them up to where they they they [TS]

  enjoy the game and with the kind of [TS]

  simplicity of the short episodic [TS]

  structure it that actually works pretty [TS]

  well for them so we're having a good [TS]

  time with that's right [TS]

  Lisa what is a what is twenty-two [TS]

  month-old Trixie liking she's at a [TS]

  buddys fault nobody give her some credit [TS]

  I'm you know you're right i was gonna [TS]

  say it since she's in the phase where [TS]

  her likes and dislikes change by the [TS]

  minute [TS]

  some of the more constant when she does [TS]

  love her canonical books all three of [TS]

  them and she's got enough all careful [TS]

  yeah it's canonical and it's got well [TS]

  what's really interesting to me and she [TS]

  points at issue point I different [TS]

  details in the books now can you put on [TS]

  dogs if she sees dogs and she does the [TS]

  little fits along with Trixie in the [TS]

  books so she likes those she really [TS]

  really loves the ipad and there's a [TS]

  bunch of apps on there that she likes [TS]

  there's a company called toca Boca oh [TS]

  yeah yeah and she loves the toca Boca [TS]

  tea party we have tea parties all the [TS]

  time and she and she's very good [TS]

  dragging and dropping and and and you [TS]

  know getting her bunny to eat the [TS]

  cookies and refill [TS]

  there is also an apt for the old Sesame [TS]

  Street book the Monster at the End of [TS]

  this book and she loves that app and one [TS]

  of the things that she insists we watch [TS]

  every day is the video made by that guy [TS]

  who goes around the world and dances [TS]

  infront of things were different people [TS]

  other where the where the hell is Matt [TS]

  she loves the she loves the most recent [TS]

  video and she will point out when the [TS]

  witch doctor comes up in South Africa [TS]

  and she's looks forward to seeing the [TS]

  seal and she likes she knows where all [TS]

  the kids are in different shots and she [TS]

  claps along and today when i was showing [TS]

  it to her secretary during the scheduled [TS]

  ten am showing when I was showing it to [TS]

  she was actually singing along to the [TS]

  lyrics so she's been you know she kind [TS]

  of picks up the lyrics and sings along [TS]

  to those two [TS]

  I mean I haven't I have a whole reading [TS]

  was because because the first thing [TS]

  she'll do when she gets up she reads but [TS]

  you know the books that Ricky likes [TS]

  change for the day she's much more [TS]

  consistent with your videos are apps [TS]

  coming back around two to me the the [TS]

  apps the if I had to pick one thing to [TS]

  my kids like I would say the ipad just [TS]

  as a as a device the number of of apps [TS]

  and [TS]

  and games and just giant time wasters [TS]

  and it is that we have a we and the kids [TS]

  playing the way but really if there's a [TS]

  device that would be the thing that [TS]

  obsesses them and that they would like [TS]

  to play all the time forever [TS]

  it would be the ipad and I think that's [TS]

  what they're going to think of it there [TS]

  there you know remember when we were [TS]

  kids what we did [TS]

  it's going to be playing stuff on the [TS]

  ipad the only other thing I would say [TS]

  that my kids are liking now is my [TS]

  daughter is really into a lot of [TS]

  different reality TV like cooking [TS]

  competition shows especially like the [TS]

  cupcake show the cake show and all these [TS]

  other possible yeah all the shows that I [TS]

  refuse to watch the one place where [TS]

  where where my my kids do have a show in [TS]

  common other than lego ninjago of course [TS]

  is the amazing race my kids are obsessed [TS]

  with the amazing race and that's [TS]

  actually a relatively friendly show for [TS]

  them to watch and their friends are are [TS]

  into it too so it's been on for a [TS]

  billion years but now kids are are [TS]

  discovering the delights of the amazing [TS]

  race so that's that's show my kids that [TS]

  house completely different from [TS]

  reference for reality TV than we do [TS]

  yeah yeah absolutely it's kind of [TS]

  mind-blowing yeah you're just so i'll [TS]

  i'll echo that my kids I i talked about [TS]

  TV shows but my kids would take an ipad [TS]

  over TV everyday everyday and and you [TS]

  know it's it's amazing that this kind of [TS]

  thing didn't exist you know five years [TS]

  ago but the interactivity is what they [TS]

  they like about it they they would [TS]

  rather do something where they're [TS]

  interacting with it then sit in front of [TS]

  a TV and watch something happen and and [TS]

  and you know people talk about kids [TS]

  using ipads and iphones and ipod touches [TS]

  too much but there's something to be [TS]

  said for that that's that's a good thing [TS]

  I think what I think it's kind of [TS]

  exciting is if you take a look at the [TS]

  direction pop culture is going into it's [TS]

  very participatory and hands-on you've [TS]

  got a lot of people who make fan videos [TS]

  and and super dubs and they'll take what [TS]

  I mean it seems like the attitude among [TS]

  teenagers and twenty-somethings now is [TS]

  that commercially produced pop culture [TS]

  is just source material for them to do [TS]

  something new and original and funny [TS]

  and I think that's kind of exciting and [TS]

  we're raising a generation of kids who [TS]

  see interactivity and remix culture is [TS]

  their birthright [TS]

  so I'm looking forward to seeing where [TS]

  this goes the next 10 years [TS]

  yeah that definitely yeah yeah it's big [TS]

  it's a big deal [TS]

  well this brings us to the end of this [TS]

  lovely parental guidance edition of the [TS]

  uncomfortable and that this is where my [TS]

  kids and I were watching back to the [TS]

  future and their some bad words in there [TS]

  and we started I said it's rated PG and [TS]

  I said I'll guide you when necessary and [TS]

  then whenever they would be a bad word [TS]

  to guidance guidance that was a bad one [TS]

  don't say the word and then we will just [TS]

  continue on [TS]

  so anyway this has been great and and a [TS]

  little off the beaten path for us and [TS]

  and yet I you know this is for those of [TS]

  us who are parents this is the stuff we [TS]

  grapple with day in and day out i think [TS]

  it's fun to you it's sort of in the [TS]

  context of the incomparable on the [TS]

  Commedia and stuff that we're interested [TS]

  in ourselves so thank you all for being [TS]

  here [TS]

  I'm now i'll thank you individually as [TS]

  is my custom blend fleischmann thank you [TS]

  for being here thank you young man dick [TS]

  Thank You old old grandpappy a Steve [TS]

  let's thank you for being here it's 950 [TS]

  p.m. do you know where your children are [TS]

  we're on Todd cast we why would we know [TS]

  that I have no idea my son once wrote a [TS]

  a thing about his parents and he said he [TS]

  said at night my daddy does podcasting [TS]

  Lisa Schwyzer thank you for being here [TS]

  my pleasure it's great having you damn [TS]

  freaks thank you for coming back on so [TS]

  soon and no thank you never thank you [TS]

  everybody actually for for all the all [TS]

  the inside gives interesting [TS]

  yeah this is great Ben Boychuk are [TS]

  always a pleasure to have you on we need [TS]

  to have you on more often [TS]

  well thanks for having me and I really [TS]

  feel like I need a krabby patty right [TS]

  about now [TS]

  and John siracusa thank you as always [TS]

  for being on the incomparable my [TS]

  pleasure Jason and until next time this [TS]

  is jason still signing off thanks for [TS]

  listening [TS]