The Incomparable

119: The Guilt-Trip Superhero


  the Intolerable 190 december twenty well [TS]

  welcome back to the uncomfortable [TS]

  podcast I'm Jason smell your host and [TS]

  the topic today is something near and [TS]

  dear to my heart is my favorite [TS]

  superhero of all time [TS]

  spider-man yeah he does whatever a [TS]

  spider can and to talk about many [TS]

  aspects of spidey from the comics too [TS]

  animated shows to we can talk about that [TS]

  crazy japanese TV show we could talk [TS]

  about the 70 show with Nicholas Hammond [TS]

  didn't of course we can talk about the [TS]

  movies with both of the same Ramey [TS]

  version and then the new version the [TS]

  amazing spider-man which came out the [TS]

  summer [TS]

  joining me to talk about Spidey are two [TS]

  people who i think are fairly expert in [TS]

  the ways of the webhead five-by-five is [TS]

  very own damn Benjamin is back and it's [TS]

  great to have you here hi Dan [TS]

  hey man thanks for having me back i like [TS]

  this i can dark can be a gas that can [TS]

  relax it's like the party [TS]

  there's no stress when your guests i [TS]

  love being a guest when you're the host [TS]

  like oh god what do I do now but just [TS]

  relax sit back we'll talk talk about a [TS]

  talking about Peter Parker a little bit [TS]

  and also joining me is an do not know [TS]

  who else but india naka what i call on [TS]

  in my moment of need hi Andy [TS]

  hello Jason did you uh actually sadly [TS]

  tragically my Uncle Ben was killed by a [TS]

  miscreant he said before before he died [TS]

  he said with great power comes a [TS]

  responsibility to book Indian art Kohn [TS]

  more podcasts so he let that's [TS]

  interesting because two days ago I made [TS]

  some uncle ben's rice and the box said [TS]

  add butter be about 10 minutes before [TS]

  it's done so that they're so uncle uncle [TS]

  uncle has been there always just packed [TS]

  with wisdom [TS]

  why why were they living in that crappy [TS]

  place in queens if he was the heir to a [TS]

  rice fortune and I think he was on the [TS]

  exile from you know from from very basic [TS]

  by you based right interesting LOL most [TS]

  grains are controlled by their media [TS]

  Marcia had to kick him out and 17 sir [TS]

  it's something that every time I I I go [TS]

  to New York I'm coming from JFK and we [TS]

  go through queens and forest hills and I [TS]

  and I think that spider-man territory [TS]

  it's funny how the geography of New York [TS]

  for me in so many ways is is to find not [TS]

  just by marvel comics because they would [TS]

  set you know unlike DC which has [TS]

  metropolis to Gotham City and things [TS]

  like that he's a fictional city [TS]

  he's the new york city stars in the [TS]

  Marvel Comics and for me it was always [TS]

  spider-man and so to this day I will see [TS]

  things other than a few places where [TS]

  like how that's in ghostbusters right [TS]

  but mostly it's it's spider-man it's all [TS]

  the various bridges that horrible things [TS]

  have happened on and in spider-man lower [TS]

  and and even even going to queens it's [TS]

  like how does he get to the city from [TS]

  all the way out here in Queens [TS]

  I try to think about the geography is [TS]

  like is to jump on the back of a subway [TS]

  does he [TS]

  I I don't even know well of course this [TS]

  is calls to mind a legendary a Peter [TS]

  Parker at the peter david issue of I [TS]

  believe Peter Parker the spectacular [TS]

  spider-man which he has discovered that [TS]

  the first the person who's chasing is [TS]

  actually hold up in a New York suburb [TS]

  and so he has to basically do exactly [TS]

  there no tall buildings to like web [TS]

  swing by there eat essentially has to [TS]

  like wet himself to the back of like [TS]

  buses [TS]

  yeah the d train that's why I'm taking a [TS]

  a pedestrian spider-man is not exactly [TS]

  the most movie movie oriented a visual [TS]

  history get you want him to get there as [TS]

  fast as to the big buildings as fast as [TS]

  possible [TS]

  what's going on in Brooklyn these days [TS]

  maybe he'll be a around Brooklyn more [TS]

  now let's say that the let's see that's [TS]

  the other thing to like because that you [TS]

  because Marvel uses like real New York [TS]

  locations they always try to put him in [TS]

  well he's broke all the time so let's [TS]

  put them into all the low-rent district [TS]

  of new york but that's kind of like a [TS]

  map like the trendiest places imaginable [TS]

  to go up because one of those hip [TS]

  Chelsea apartments know but 1973 that [TS]

  was a really bad place to live i was [TS]

  taxi driver neighborhood but you know [TS]

  it's interesting Jason because you [TS]

  mention you know Marvel always picks the [TS]

  relocations in DC dozen so that I just I [TS]

  just shown I just seen this Dark Knight [TS]

  Rises which we're not talking about and [TS]

  I have come to understand [TS]

  yeah can I haven't seen yet we will why [TS]

  shall I was showing you know my kid just [TS]

  turned five he's not old enough to watch [TS]

  that movie again he seen the first three [TS]

  the tobey maguire spider-man despite the [TS]

  fact that he was not old enough to watch [TS]

  those either sir but definitely not [TS]

  enough for dark knight rises but he [TS]

  really he a for his birthday one of the [TS]

  things he got was the bat he got a bat [TS]

  wing that goes with this Batcave set [TS]

  thing that he had and and so I said well [TS]

  you know there's some really cool like [TS]

  bat wings they don't call the batwing [TS]

  they call the bat in this movie there's [TS]

  animal ruining and you've seen this in [TS]

  previous but there's couple cool scenes [TS]

  that I want to show them this [TS]

  so show them this and and then he [TS]

  recalled that I have met Batman I don't [TS]

  know if you guys know this but there was [TS]

  an awesome comic con year ago and i went [TS]

  to it and there was a man who was to [TS]

  come [TS]

  I mean I'm talking the full suit i mean [TS]

  the d the real deal [TS]

  this was the dark knight suit full-on [TS]

  and he was just tall australian dude I [TS]

  said listen my kid doesn't believe me [TS]

  that I no man can I get a picture with [TS]

  you so I had on my buddy take a picture [TS]

  me Maurice I think took it and sent and [TS]

  I sent that to to my kid [TS]

  long story short he immediately was a oh [TS]

  my god i got the coolest dad in a world [TS]

  he knows bad it really does know Batman [TS]

  yeah so ever since then like it once in [TS]

  a while bringing up and he said cool [TS]

  where does where does Batman let loose [TS]

  in gotham aces well where's Gotham is [TS]

  Gotham real like he's knows Batman [TS]

  thrilled but he's not sure about java [TS]

  and and and so you know he knows [TS]

  spider-man lives in New York knows I've [TS]

  been in New York so why didn't I meet [TS]

  spider-man was it's an interesting [TS]

  decision right to have that real [TS]

  geography instead of that someone [TS]

  fiction metropolis their arguments about [TS]

  where metropolis is and-and-and Gotham [TS]

  and what is its central city where the [TS]

  flashes and cola right coast city and [TS]

  they're all kind of like these you know [TS]

  slightly rewritten versions of cities [TS]

  but it's like it's a parallel universe [TS]

  and marvels trick was always to just say [TS]

  that you know this is this is real Peter [TS]

  Parker lives and in queens you know it [TS]

  you know this is part of downtown in [TS]

  manhattan and and there is no Empire [TS]

  State University though sadly my [TS]

  application was rejected to State on [TS]

  account of the fact that it doesn't [TS]

  actually exist its and I guess nyu I [TS]

  don't know but um that but Peter Parker [TS]

  went there so let's talk about the movie [TS]

  first just because it's it's new this is [TS]

  the andrew garfield reboot which is this [TS]

  is a topic of its own because do we need [TS]

  to reboot ten years after the last time [TS]

  we told this story and and that is a [TS]

  frustration for me the fact that they [TS]

  decided not just to keep making [TS]

  spider-man movie that's great spider-man [TS]

  3 was really bad some it was time to [TS]

  change the creative team I think [TS]

  to tell the same story again I remember [TS]

  being really upset that they were going [TS]

  to you know tell the the origin story [TS]

  again because I feel like how many [TS]

  origin stories do we need to see about [TS]

  how many times can you tell the same [TS]

  story and and what's interesting about [TS]

  these characters isn't their origin [TS]

  right it'sit's all the things that come [TS]

  after the origin the origin is like one [TS]

  issue of a comic book and then you move [TS]

  on and yet they they went back and they [TS]

  told the story again and it's a [TS]

  different take [TS]

  I wonder what you guys think I mean in [TS]

  watching it again a few weeks ago when [TS]

  it came out on video [TS]

  my take on it cause I saw in the theater [TS]

  was that this was very much like a [TS]

  modern ultimate spider-man kind of [TS]

  retelling whereas the sam raimi movie [TS]

  from a decade ago felt like it was [TS]

  really honoring the sixties original [TS]

  kind of steve ditko Stanley version of [TS]

  spider-man i felt like i was really [TS]

  watching the that was that was very much [TS]

  kind of honoring the past and this one [TS]

  was happy to try to make it much more [TS]

  updated they were thinking you know but [TS]

  they just going into this and we we [TS]

  talked about this a little bit before [TS]

  the show there were things that I had [TS]

  heard about about this movie that [TS]

  concern me i was i thought well like [TS]

  that they had sort of changed the the [TS]

  the concept of Peter Parker's that [TS]

  what's his first name do we know it [TS]

  doesn't matter is Richard I think okay [TS]

  so they had sort of changed his the [TS]

  backstory on this a little bit to me [TS]

  I mean do we need to mention that you [TS]

  need to see this movie before you listen [TS]

  to rest it was funny will fire off the [TS]

  spoiler horn that's a good idea [TS]

  I mean it had this point if they don't [TS]

  know that they're in trouble [TS]

  you're listening to a show it's a hot [TS]

  portal that merited so you know here's [TS]

  here's the issue of that I have with [TS]

  this is they wrote it now [TS]

  originally you don't really need for a [TS]

  long time you don't really know the mom [TS]

  and dad Parker you don't really know [TS]

  that you don't need to know you know [TS]

  been you know MA in your Peter and [TS]

  that's good and the other way back in [TS]

  the past it's not relevant right and in [TS]

  this story that they added the whole [TS]

  concept of well they you know his dad [TS]

  was the scientist and he was doing [TS]

  things with spiders and is it didn't die [TS]

  by accident right yeah and I didn't know [TS]

  that like I was very apprehensive as you [TS]

  know I was a little nervous as a little [TS]

  i had to lay down as the scares her but [TS]

  it went it was alright it wound up being [TS]

  alright i thought it was gonna like that [TS]

  part but I did really didn't it didn't [TS]

  it didn't do much to bother me [TS]

  that's a story straight out of brian [TS]

  michael bendis ultimate spider-man which [TS]

  i should say is my favorite comic [TS]

  basically in the last 10-15 years and it [TS]

  it you know about a hundred fifty issues [TS]

  to tell the whole story then they had a [TS]

  it came to a conclusion and now that [TS]

  they're doing something different with a [TS]

  different character but yeah but that [TS]

  was part of the story and I always [TS]

  thought that was really interesting it [TS]

  was it was like let's take what we know [TS]

  about spider-man and then kind of retail [TS]

  it in this more modern way and that was [TS]

  one of the plot points was that the [TS]

  Peters parents dying was was part of the [TS]

  story and it is Norman Osborn and [TS]

  research into various kinds of things [TS]

  that these shadowy companies are doing [TS]

  and that and that there was more to it [TS]

  than that and and they did that in this [TS]

  movie too and yeah I didn't let it [TS]

  bother me either i thought i was going [TS]

  to be questionable bored by just like oh [TS]

  you have great power great [TS]

  responsibility they don't even say that [TS]

  in the movie don't even say it now what [TS]

  did you think about them not saying it [TS]

  don't they have to say it's so hokey [TS]

  though it's so smoky sixties I mean I [TS]

  love it and yet it's it's to have [TS]

  regular human beings say it out loud son [TS]

  with great power comes great [TS]

  responsibility it so it just feels you [TS]

  know is that so that I think that I [TS]

  think that's a little bit cynical that's [TS]

  something they're a little okay because [TS]

  I think I think of every single great [TS]

  moving line from every great moment [TS]

  every every great movie i mean [TS]

  casablanca you know our two part of the [TS]

  problem with two people don't amount to [TS]

  a hill of beans the student that's not a [TS]

  really really naturalistic sort of piece [TS]

  of language but breadstick to you and if [TS]

  you were there if you're there in the [TS]

  scene in that actual location you could [TS]

  sense that communication between Uncle [TS]

  Ben and Peter through gesture through [TS]

  movement through the way they interact [TS]

  with each other but you don't have that [TS]

  available to you so a great writer and [TS]

  Stanley is a great writer comes up the [TS]

  line like with great power Sun comes [TS]

  great responsibility and also it allows [TS]

  its it's this is like a musical theme [TS]

  that in the soundtrack of Peter Parker's [TS]

  life time and time and time again that [TS]

  every time he wants to be taken back to [TS]

  his greatest failure and the thing that [TS]

  will haunt him and motivated for the [TS]

  rest of his life [TS]

  this one absolutely locked in your brain [TS]

  phrase has to be revoked and that [TS]

  instantly brings all of that together [TS]

  and that's actually why i didn't i [TS]

  didn't like this development i didn't [TS]

  like it and the two other times I find [TS]

  where at where it turns out that there's [TS]

  a there's a there's a dark secret to to [TS]

  Peter Parker's parents being kept from [TS]

  Peter Parker we so saw that movie of [TS]

  course we saw an ultimate ultimate [TS]

  spider-man later on when Marvel writers [TS]

  seem to have run out of things to do [TS]

  with this character they actually made [TS]

  Peter Parker's parents spies and their [TS]

  killed off because they're actually [TS]

  supermarket spies and this is something [TS]

  that I just never I it's it's it's a [TS]

  tricky thing i don't like it because [TS]

  it's in elegant I don't like the fact [TS]

  that it's difficult to create civilians [TS]

  inside a superhero universe that i like [TS]

  the idea that he is a normal kid in a [TS]

  normal life he had this piece of tragedy [TS]

  that so many of the people who are [TS]

  paying their ten cents to buy that comic [TS]

  in the sixties through the through the [TS]

  nineties have had where my lost I never [TS]

  really knew my parents they died when I [TS]

  was really really young I have felt as [TS]

  though i don't really have my own [TS]

  identity and then when you say all [TS]

  actually your parents were SuperDuper [TS]

  Spiner special that's kinda removes that [TS]

  touchstone that makes it gives that [TS]

  extra emotional have now in terms of the [TS]

  movie [TS]

  well citing thank you very much a bit in [TS]

  terms of the movie I don't like it just [TS]

  because [TS]

  simply because now this isn't the story [TS]

  about Peter Parker and spider-man [TS]

  this is the story about Oscorp this is [TS]

  the story about this district research [TS]

  being done [TS]

  oh and by the way incidentally in the [TS]

  course of evolving this story this is [TS]

  kid gets Spider Man's power yoga but [TS]

  he's just one of several people who gets [TS]

  panel powers because this planet but [TS]

  really really want to know about this [TS]

  Oscorp that's the feather that's the [TS]

  thing that that brought us through fit [TS]

  through 40 years of continuity as [TS]

  restoring her yet and well but i think i [TS]

  think it's an issue of emphasis though [TS]

  we're in bandar TSA's ultimate [TS]

  spider-man over the course of again a [TS]

  hundred and fifty issues that it becomes [TS]

  a part of the story but it's not the [TS]

  whole point of the story and there's [TS]

  several things an amazing spider-man [TS]

  that I felt like you know it's forced [TS]

  because they only have two hours to tell [TS]

  their story or two and a half hours or [TS]

  three hours or whatever it seemed kinda [TS]

  long over long but in in Venice itself [TS]

  somehow felt more natural they weren't [TS]

  the solution to the entire story right [TS]

  it was an added little quirk that they [TS]

  might have been involved in some of this [TS]

  and and you know what about you a clone [TS]

  of his father comes back and it's not [TS]

  really following whatever but it felt a [TS]

  little more natural because it was not [TS]

  shoehorned into the first five issues [TS]

  right it was something that was kinda [TS]

  dropped 50 issues down the road and and [TS]

  that's I mean there's a lot of stuff in [TS]

  this movie that feels like they just [TS]

  they cut corners because they need to [TS]

  jam it all into a single movie and movie [TS]

  storytelling is very different from [TS]

  long-form comic book story telling in [TS]

  the way that you know the original comic [TS]

  was was done or the way that bends told [TS]

  ultimate spider-man sofa if you felt [TS]

  much less kind of offensive to me coming [TS]

  from Bendis than it did in this movie I [TS]

  didn't even mind it so much only because [TS]

  it was different and I was really [TS]

  dreading more than anything [TS]

  another faithful retelling of Leanne [TS]

  Ditko because they already made that [TS]

  movie they made that movie like nine [TS]

  years ago it was not at larger to 11 [TS]

  years ago was not very long ago so I [TS]

  wanted to see something different and it [TS]

  was different [TS]

  i'll give it that for sure but but two [TS]

  points there [TS]

  why do they feel as though they need to [TS]

  completely reboot the franchise they [TS]

  could simply recast the character and [TS]

  find new things for spider-man to do [TS]

  there's so many great stories libraries [TS]

  assuming this is my [TS]

  retail the origin is rather than that [TS]

  Peter Parker in some ways is more more [TS]

  interesting when he's new to the role as [TS]

  a kid in school and that in I i was i [TS]

  was really love that an ultimate [TS]

  spider-man he's in school he's in high [TS]

  school the entire run he never graduated [TS]

  from high school or anything like that [TS]

  and with tobey maguire who was already [TS]

  like 30 women started right they had to [TS]

  get him out of there as quickly as they [TS]

  could write i think in in in this one in [TS]

  the Andrew Garfield one they wanted to [TS]

  go back to that he's a kid in school [TS]

  thing so that's the reason but you're [TS]

  right did they even then did they really [TS]

  need to do anything but have like an [TS]

  origin in the opening montage and then [TS]

  just tell stories let me put it this way [TS]

  we never as far as I can recall we have [TS]

  never ever ever heard James Bond origin [TS]

  story we have never there's never been a [TS]

  movie in which we hear about here is [TS]

  worried what he was doing before he [TS]

  became a secret agent [TS]

  there there it's in the books was never [TS]

  the movie the movies just simply say I [TS]

  see my guy he's James Bond he's a spy [TS]

  and we often run where you come from [TS]

  who knows and it would migrate I think I [TS]

  superhero movies in general over to the [TS]

  origin story thing you know and it and [TS]

  it infuriates me because it's not [TS]

  necessary right i mean it's not the most [TS]

  interesting story for the most of these [TS]

  characters is there anybody on this [TS]

  planet who does not know who Superman is [TS]

  at this point you can just put it a shot [TS]

  one Scene one of the movie is Superman [TS]

  in the red and blues in the Cape [TS]

  fighting and we're on our cat catching [TS]

  somebody who's fallen off a building I [TS]

  mean you know and that's okay i don't [TS]

  know if we're ready to did I mean [TS]

  Jason's your show but I don't know if [TS]

  you're ready to dive into this point but [TS]

  I I there there I have issues I have [TS]

  issues with with spider-man in this [TS]

  movie i guess i gotta say guys i like [TS]

  this movie I liked it a lot [TS]

  really enjoyed it but but but i gotta [TS]

  have some problem let me before before [TS]

  we go into the problems i want i want to [TS]

  mention something happens very early in [TS]

  this movie that and I this movie is [TS]

  really flawed and I did like it and I [TS]

  think the reason I like it is because it [TS]

  got me on its side very early on and [TS]

  it's a a single scene that I felt [TS]

  encapsulated the character better than [TS]

  any of the samurai movies were really [TS]

  any other filmed spider-man or animated [TS]

  right the 60 spider-man always that was [TS]

  that was some work i'm tired of all [TS]

  these teenagers right that was me i ee i [TS]

  watch that show when I was a kid jenna [TS]

  jameson really hate teenagers anyway and [TS]

  there's no daily bugle or Jameson in [TS]

  this movie either which is interesting [TS]

  no wait a minute that masonry straight [TS]

  yeah there was a Daily Bugle always [TS]

  there Daily Bugle just you know if you [TS]

  remember when they are showing the news [TS]

  on TV there is a little bugle and it is [TS]

  underneath Daily Bugle where the CNN [TS]

  logo might have been not so it's in the [TS]

  world but if we haven't seen it in [TS]

  quarters and part of it [TS]

  ok so anyway the scene that gets me on [TS]

  its side is in the in the lien deco you [TS]

  know he's a Wimpy click kid with glasses [TS]

  correct and he gets beat up and and or [TS]

  or you know taunted and biomass Thompson [TS]

  yeah and I'm the jocks and he's a he's a [TS]

  pencil-neck geek and then he gets these [TS]

  powers and and we know that story right [TS]

  and he BN his his uncle dies and he [TS]

  feels really bad with great power comes [TS]

  great responsibility and decides to be a [TS]

  hero [TS]

  what I really liked about the scene [TS]

  early in this movie is he gets he gets [TS]

  bullied by flash and then flashes out in [TS]

  the quad and there's another kid that's [TS]

  getting bullied right and and Peter [TS]

  Parker and he's like hey Parker take a [TS]

  picture of this and he says put him down [TS]

  flash end and then flash basically beats [TS]

  the crap out of Peter because peter is [TS]

  not playing along with flash being a [TS]

  bully to somebody else like the shoes on [TS]

  the other foot [TS]

  Peter could play along it would be easy [TS]

  or you could walk away but it was [TS]

  something about that scene the decency [TS]

  of Peter Parker as a human being i [TS]

  really liked how they did that because [TS]

  what they said is this is a person he [TS]

  doesn't have power [TS]

  he's a weakling but he's a fundamentally [TS]

  decent human being who understands right [TS]

  and wrong but he doesn't have it the [TS]

  ability to do anything but he's brave [TS]

  enough to stand up to the bully he just [TS]

  get the crap beat out of him and I [TS]

  really like that because i felt like [TS]

  that was Peter Parker that said [TS]

  something like they they got the [TS]

  character that is that is the kind of [TS]

  person who would end up following this [TS]

  arc and becoming spider-man he's heroic [TS]

  but doesn't have the powers and that [TS]

  made up for a lot of things like why [TS]

  gwen stacy is somehow running or [TS]

  research lab for us corp when she's a [TS]

  high school student and all of these [TS]

  other bizarre connections that are kind [TS]

  of pointless just because I felt like [TS]

  I'm not on a purely kind of character [TS]

  level they got him right and it was that [TS]

  scene so that scene heard a lot of [TS]

  goodwill for me i don't know if that if [TS]

  it did for you guys but Tony it was like [TS]

  they got him that that is the best Peter [TS]

  Parker scene I've ever seen [TS]

  no I mean that i totally agree that for [TS]

  me you know the one of the things that [TS]

  that made that movie I mean obviously [TS]

  we're talking about superheroes it's not [TS]

  gonna be like completely real but that [TS]

  felt like a real city in a lot of ways [TS]

  of felt more like a real scene to me the [TS]

  idea of Peter Parker being sort of [TS]

  universally bullied universally not [TS]

  fitting in universally you know just as [TS]

  you said pencil-neck geek you know like [TS]

  that's that story was kind of I felt [TS]

  like that was old and I like what I [TS]

  liked about the retelling of this one [TS]

  was that you know what you what you have [TS]

  here is somebody who you know maybe he [TS]

  doesn't exactly fit in maybe because [TS]

  he's a bit smarter maybe because he's a [TS]

  bit a different anyway but it you know [TS]

  it's not like he's ugly it's not like he [TS]

  can't communicate and can't you know [TS]

  coexist with the other members of [TS]

  society no I mean he's he's relatively [TS]

  like a cool kid you know he knows how to [TS]

  dress in that sort of ground has a [TS]

  skateboard high as escape or like you [TS]

  know and that wraps it up right and yeah [TS]

  and there's and there's one guy one guy [TS]

  who who is kind of a bully universally [TS]

  who happens to pick on him most of the [TS]

  time and that's a little bit more like [TS]

  what I remember high school junior high [TS]

  beam island is like a computer nerd he's [TS]

  got a skateboard and he's just wants to [TS]

  do his own thing and he's not part of [TS]

  the popular jock crowd [TS]

  yeah yeah but it's not like it's not [TS]

  it's not like everybody beats him me and [TS]

  you don't have a pocket protector and [TS]

  flash sorry about that i don't know [TS]

  which is very 67 needed that with the [TS]

  classic story and what you think [TS]

  well i don't i don't think that was a [TS]

  bad scene at all I thought was but that [TS]

  was good it deserves the purposes of you [TS]

  explain so well um I i wonder if it [TS]

  couldn't if the story could have been a [TS]

  bit more powerful if they would let [TS]

  let that a little bit more ambiguous I [TS]

  think it's fascinating when you're [TS]

  writing stories about superheroes when [TS]

  you're talking about here is it here you [TS]

  go kid [TS]

  you now have superpowers what are you [TS]

  gonna do with them [TS]

  how is it going to change your life was [TS]

  gonna change how you interact with [TS]

  people here's how it's gonna change how [TS]

  you resolve problems that you're going [TS]

  to have in your wife and I don't like i [TS]

  said i don't think that scene where he's [TS]

  interviewing with a bully is it makes it [TS]

  is a bad scene but it would have been [TS]

  more into it when it does it says always [TS]

  Peter Parker was always heroic now these [TS]

  not easy [TS]

  he's a hero who can actually actually [TS]

  have influence over other people [TS]

  it's more interesting when he might be a [TS]

  little bit more interesting depending on [TS]

  how you would write that scene if you [TS]

  said that he was a little bit weak he [TS]

  did not he would be you didn't give him [TS]

  a specific instance to prove who he was [TS]

  when confronted with that kind of danger [TS]

  when you put them in a situation where [TS]

  now he feels so he can do something [TS]

  how is he going to do with but i was [TS]

  gonna deal with it is he going to say [TS]

  well it's not my job to get into other [TS]

  people's fights I'd not been fully [TS]

  enough that day I have two people have [TS]

  to figure out their own solutions of [TS]

  that or they gonna simply really going [TS]

  to simply say I've got the super period [TS]

  superpowers in my back pocket to use [TS]

  them if i'm going to use them but right [TS]

  now I feel as though I can intervene [TS]

  without having to twist somebody's head [TS]

  off like a like a like a champagne cork [TS]

  I'd I just think that it's it's it's a [TS]

  plug that something that I that is often [TS]

  something that I don't like about the [TS]

  way that a lot of comics are written dan [TS]

  and I my own podcast we're talking about [TS]

  the Marvel now Roe a version of the [TS]

  Fantastic Four where each the fantastic [TS]

  four names a replacement for the that's [TS]

  gonna be substituted for them for the [TS]

  four minutes they think they're going to [TS]

  be away while they're off exploring [TS]

  other dimensions and so Johnny Storm [TS]

  being about being a gold-plated idiot [TS]

  basically says each of these dating [TS]

  paris hilton so it's okay well guess [TS]

  what Paracelsus that would be take my [TS]

  place on the team and so they did that [TS]

  the issue comes out tomorrow we find out [TS]

  exactly how that happens but pouring the [TS]

  cover art that we've seen so far [TS]

  essentially she wears one of like Ben [TS]

  grams old like thing exoskeletons back [TS]

  when he was deep powered [TS]

  unlike the mid hundreds issues of [TS]

  Fantastic Four and that sort of i [TS]

  haven't read this issue i don't know how [TS]

  they're doing it but it just gets my it [TS]

  gets some expectations very very low [TS]

  because it's like a man so what you're [TS]

  saying is that all you gotta do is put a [TS]

  supersuit on somebody and suddenly they [TS]

  act heroically no that's not how it [TS]

  works [TS]

  it's there is a horrible horrible [TS]

  horrible horrible incident that just [TS]

  came to mind that i'm sure a lot of a [TS]

  service sadly familiar with where a man [TS]

  tried to break up with him and try to [TS]

  break up a fight on New York subway [TS]

  platform that pushed onto the tracks a [TS]

  drainage came by and nobody helped them [TS]

  as he was trying to get out of there one [TS]

  person decided to take a picture that is [TS]

  the demonstration of what people when [TS]

  i'm not saying that all these hundred [TS]

  people are idiots [TS]

  I'm saying that you don't know there are [TS]

  times when you don't know what to do in [TS]

  that circumstance and there are people [TS]

  who have done the right thing in that [TS]

  circumstance that later on would say I [TS]

  don't deserve any praise for this [TS]

  the next thing I knew I was jumping down [TS]

  there and shoving them into the alcove [TS]

  and hoping that I don't get run over [TS]

  either it wasn't a conscious decision [TS]

  that i made i just think that that by [TS]

  putting in that little bit that little [TS]

  bit of a scene it might have diminished [TS]

  the the the gravity of Peter Parker's [TS]

  decision to act in heroic manner once he [TS]

  gave got superpowers that's all it's [TS]

  it's a different take and I I think I [TS]

  sense throughout this movie that they [TS]

  were trying to take that different path [TS]

  that the fact that Uncle Ben doesn't say [TS]

  the words with great power comes great [TS]

  responsibility that would that Peter is [TS]

  shown as having this fundamental decency [TS]

  upfront that his confrontation that [TS]

  leads to Uncle Ben's death is it you [TS]

  know it's less kind of offensive it's [TS]

  more just like he gets pissed off at a [TS]

  jerk at the convenience store and so he [TS]

  he doesn't you know hehe it's not it's [TS]

  not quite as bad as the saria i'm going [TS]

  to look out for number one and that [TS]

  means me it's just a little more [TS]

  pedestrian right [TS]

  in fact a little more every day of like [TS]

  you just said something you just like go [TS]

  by that you probably shouldn't and it [TS]

  comes back together but it looks like [TS]

  they felt like they took a different [TS]

  path and and I guess everybody can [TS]

  decide which kind of spider-man story [TS]

  they like the best i love the fact that [TS]

  they said hey you know what Peter Parker [TS]

  was always a stand-up guy he just [TS]

  couldn't do anything about it he just [TS]

  was a weakling [TS]

  and he had a decency that would serve [TS]

  him well later when he got the power to [TS]

  do something about it i like that anyway [TS]

  we should probably talk about some other [TS]

  stuff dance you want to do you want to [TS]

  detail all the things that drove me nuts [TS]

  now I mean okay we have time [TS]

  alright so here's a free yeah well we [TS]

  got time actually got time I want you [TS]

  got a fresh fresh fresh reel-to-reel up [TS]

  there we've got at least two hours in a [TS]

  borrowed yeah so I'll get upgrade that [TS]

  equipment and I mean it was ok nothing [TS]

  watching the network right now it's [TS]

  really embarrassing if that well I'll [TS]

  get right on so that I I don't really [TS]

  know where to start let's start let's [TS]

  start with the fact that when he gets [TS]

  his powers let's start right there when [TS]

  you get the hours alright so here's the [TS]

  experience he has on the trains on the [TS]

  subway train [TS]

  he's sort of have fallen asleep in the [TS]

  in the in the subway in the car and he [TS]

  he'd uh somebody's trying to what are [TS]

  they trying to steal some magic [TS]

  skateboard still a skateboard which I [TS]

  just get bored you see because you know [TS]

  super valuable thing to steal from [TS]

  someone and he winds up sort of getting [TS]

  his hands get stuck to the pole because [TS]

  he's now got the super grippy can't [TS]

  control it and the heat accidentally [TS]

  knocking people out with this poll which [TS]

  he pops right out of the thing and [TS]

  that's fine [TS]

  that was cute i like that that was fine [TS]

  and then somebody breaks a skateboard or [TS]

  does his skateboard over his arm which [TS]

  he holds up the block himself now if you [TS]

  remember the first time that that Tobey [TS]

  Maguire's Peter Parker realized that he [TS]

  had these sort of fast reflexes and [TS]

  things like that you have this quite [TS]

  comic it all would be yeah I'm up on [TS]

  away web right and this was so I was so [TS]

  glad that this did not take that [TS]

  approach i was so glad that you didn't [TS]

  have the Flash Thompson slow-motion fist [TS]

  which he's like kind of walking around [TS]

  looking up underneath and all that [TS]

  ridiculous this was much better sort of [TS]

  discovery of his powers and of and I [TS]

  mean on the one hand I didn't think he [TS]

  was weirded out enough even when he was [TS]

  breaking things in the bathroom but let [TS]

  me let's let's just go forward here for [TS]

  a second [TS]

  how does he start exploring his powers [TS]

  now listen he has comic books in this [TS]

  alternate world that he's in ok or DC DC [TS]

  comics DC Comics exist so it let me just [TS]

  leave it okay [TS]

  if I will if I have this happen to me on [TS]

  a subway the first thing I'm gonna do is [TS]

  be like why the heck am I so strong [TS]

  right now and I'm gonna walk to a place [TS]

  where no one can see me and I'm gonna [TS]

  start lifting stuff and I'm going to see [TS]

  exactly how strong and I am can lift [TS]

  that rock in the back you know because [TS]

  we have this rock in the backyard that I [TS]

  can i oh I'm gonna have to budget i have [TS]

  to hire someone to move this thing [TS]

  because it's not where we wanted to be [TS]

  i'm just going to can't lift that can [TS]

  lift in you know I think if you just if [TS]

  you started doing this a hundred [TS]

  push-ups thing you're going to maybe i [TS]

  can lift maybe i can move that chair [TS]

  without you know that big that big lazy [TS]

  boys I'm probably just move that [TS]

  everyone I'm gonna the first thing I'm [TS]

  gonna do is see how strong I am I and [TS]

  you know what why did my hand stick to [TS]

  that thing [TS]

  what else can i do can I climb can i let [TS]

  what else can I stick to my hand I'm [TS]

  gonna figure this thing out what he do [TS]

  he goes me skateboards around and does a [TS]

  little parkour is that always say it [TS]

  come on man do something climb the wall [TS]

  I want to see what i can do first of all [TS]

  the second is now he goes on this [TS]

  vendetta thing where he's trying to find [TS]

  the guy that eventually is trying to [TS]

  find the guy that killed his uncle right [TS]

  right so he's running around town [TS]

  looking which he never does which is [TS]

  another diversion right never done he [TS]

  gets over it instead but here you go [TS]

  here's another thing I'm just stopped me [TS]

  for that if I you know if you need a [TS]

  break it then he goes he's chasing this [TS]

  guy now okay so one point he finds this [TS]

  guy and then his his druggies for lack [TS]

  of a better term start chasing after him [TS]

  and he's up he's got five or six of [TS]

  these guys now hold on a second [TS]

  flashback to him unintentionally kicking [TS]

  the crap out of like eight people on a [TS]

  subway car and easily flicking people [TS]

  around and he's running from like four [TS]

  or five guys come on now listen in the [TS]

  comic books in the comic books he's [TS]

  quite strong [TS]

  he's quite strong now I don't know how [TS]

  whether this is the ultimate spider-man [TS]

  strong or whether this is the Marvel [TS]

  Universe traditional strong but either [TS]

  way like spider-man can at least move if [TS]

  not pick up a car he might not be it [TS]

  might not be easy yeah it might be like [TS]

  are gonna fling a car around fine but [TS]

  he's strong i mean the dude strong you [TS]

  know he has two for those who don't [TS]

  follow this closely he has to pull his [TS]

  punches completely so that he doesn't [TS]

  not [TS]

  seriously injured but come just kill [TS]

  kill people in regular human beings if [TS]

  he doesn't pull a punch your dad and [TS]

  you're so dead and yet he's running away [TS]

  from five guys chasing after him and it [TS]

  did it was just inconsistent the way [TS]

  that they portrayed strength [TS]

  he's in the bathroom they're just using [TS]

  a little you know little like first [TS]

  finger and the thumb and boom pops off [TS]

  the knob if you can pop off a knob from [TS]

  a sync with your two fingers i'm not i'm [TS]

  not running away from a couple guys with [TS]

  a knife if I have super fast reflexes [TS]

  and can fling up and down on the wall [TS]

  like I'm not going anywhere [TS]

  you guys are going to leave you know [TS]

  what I'm saying and I just all of these [TS]

  things it really bother why did he have [TS]

  to be so hard dr. really rude joke right [TS]

  now but that's how inexperienced to you [TS]

  stand right that's he doesn't even he's [TS]

  not even thinking straight it wasn't [TS]

  about inexperienced he blocked he [TS]

  blocked the skateboard on the bus with [TS]

  his natural instinctive movements [TS]

  because he's a spider now so this is [TS]

  natural reflexes are going to protect [TS]

  him [TS]

  where was his spider sense in this movie [TS]

  where was his spider sense [TS]

  yo go there was always has a spider [TS]

  sense because like there's a spider in a [TS]

  bug walking around near but like warned [TS]

  him that someone's gonna hit you that [TS]

  was not coming to okay in the Marvel [TS]

  Universe it has been stated hang on our [TS]

  I'm upset I i can tell that this is the [TS]

  voice of a man in pain this is just one [TS]

  thing guys find it amazing that the the [TS]

  proportional strength differences upset [TS]

  you more than the fact that a high [TS]

  school student is leading a lab midterm [TS]

  been at did you add you see the [TS]

  photograph that I sent to you guys each [TS]

  in the india in the skype window if you [TS]

  look at that photograph oh no i haven't [TS]

  if you have that if you're able to [TS]

  access please load think I'm seeing it [TS]

  right now it is a flickr link we can put [TS]

  this into the show notes I'm for in this [TS]

  picture and whom I sitting with it i'm [TS]

  in a mall in the shower spider-man I'm [TS]

  sitting with nishan neshaminy mall i'm [TS]

  sitting with spiderman spiderman as I [TS]

  love Batman don't get me wrong when I [TS]

  played superheroes I was Batman by love [TS]

  spider-man [TS]

  so this continues for the classic tights [TS]

  costume yes the filmmakers have had a [TS]

  struggle to try and make it look cooler [TS]

  yes then this will all will get to the [TS]

  costume in a minute [TS]

  and-and-and so and i'm not going to take [TS]

  over your show all stopped because I [TS]

  know people are about to turn it off but [TS]

  here's the thing is it where's his [TS]

  spider sense in this [TS]

  where's his regular spider strengthen [TS]

  this isn't there spider-sense I get the [TS]

  sense that they have a couple of scenes [TS]

  where there's a where he has a [TS]

  realization and they do one of those [TS]

  kind of fries and turn around doing a [TS]

  little but it has been said in the [TS]

  Marvel Universe that but even even the [TS]

  fastest and most super-powered super [TS]

  folks in the Marvel Universe have [TS]

  trouble hitting spider-man because of [TS]

  his spider sense even if he's [TS]

  unconscious [TS]

  his body will make him dodge it Andy [TS]

  correct me if I'm wrong on this and [TS]

  again am i right about the I not sure if [TS]

  you're right about him being unconscious [TS]

  maybe not about it but I think it does [TS]

  have a spidey sense as as as well as has [TS]

  been attacked by tadpoles and see this [TS]

  is another thing in this book that I [TS]

  read to my kid there's this one with the [TS]

  vulture it's AG and I know it's for [TS]

  four-year-olds but in the voltage the [TS]

  vulture catches him by surprise at every [TS]

  time I read this page i wanted i don't [TS]

  wanna I don't want my kids to grow up [TS]

  thinking that he could be taken [TS]

  advantage of by the vulture sneak attack [TS]

  because he's on silent magnetic wings [TS]

  like come on [TS]

  oh it's that he's not going to get [TS]

  attack he spider-man he's got despite I [TS]

  can't kill a spider can you know I could [TS]

  want to kill spiders spiders i can kill [TS]

  us but I can't do it from they get out [TS]

  of we're using a moral thing because i [TS]

  also have no moral compunction again [TS]

  skipper no i'm talking about you tried [TS]

  maybe you got different spiders but here [TS]

  in taxes they're fast you gotta Chuck [TS]

  you gotta Chuck a lot of things in them [TS]

  together so you you don't like the [TS]

  spider-man is a is his power seem [TS]

  inconsistent well as they become spotted [TS]

  yes because here's the thing there's [TS]

  learning and mastering your powers and [TS]

  there's having them and if all of a [TS]

  sudden I could lift a car that might not [TS]

  mean I know how to aim the car when I [TS]

  throw it or my a might not be great or [TS]

  something but like I've i can lift a car [TS]

  i'm gonna feel pretty confident walking [TS]

  down that back alley at night so you [TS]

  know I wonder if some of this I I see [TS]

  what you're saying [TS]

  although i'm in the chatroom they're [TS]

  saying that the the subway scene is sort [TS]

  of suggesting spider-sense throughout [TS]

  but I I see what you're saying [TS]

  I wonder if so does it suggest where did [TS]

  go the rest of the movie awesome i [TS]

  suggest that you're helping out in the [TS]

  brain and your Lego first time outside [TS]

  normal fitness the senior that seemed [TS]

  totally does indicate spider-sense why [TS]

  don't we see it again for the restaurant [TS]

  again right thank you [TS]

  I i wonder if the filmmakers decided in [TS]

  this sort of Jesus we just did this [TS]

  movie ten years ago to take some of that [TS]

  stuff out right which may not have been [TS]

  the right decision somebody else in the [TS]

  chatroom pointed out what you want less [TS]

  origin and more of that lizard story of [TS]

  a fair point right fair point but I do [TS]

  wonder if they were like yeah I do we [TS]

  really need lots of scenes where he [TS]

  enjoys learning about his powers when we [TS]

  are telling an origin story that people [TS]

  just saw 10 years ago [TS]

  no I don't give me more that's all you [TS]

  want i want to let you know I don't need [TS]

  a lot more I don't need a lot more but [TS]

  just give me some more [TS]

  I don't enjoy the the crafting of the of [TS]

  the web shooters identify was that was [TS]

  gonna be there to me if you give him [TS]

  organic web shooters you don't get it [TS]

  because I bye but when the best parts of [TS]

  the kind of the craftsmanship of this [TS]

  character take that Sam Raimi there you [TS]

  go [TS]

  yeah you again I mean it's because it's [TS]

  this is a Peter Parker's a fusion of the [TS]

  power she got from the accident the [TS]

  morals that he grew up with that he [TS]

  described himself and also the fact that [TS]

  he is please notice he's a super [TS]

  scientist but oh my God he's a very very [TS]

  clever young man and so it's I've always [TS]

  loved the pre the the fusion between he [TS]

  got these powers from from the [TS]

  radioactive spider bite then he had to [TS]

  go go but goes home go to his house and [TS]

  figure out how to build this sort of [TS]

  thing and I also always dug the idea [TS]

  that he could that it could become a [TS]

  problem that oh I'm out of fluid I i was [TS]

  i was supposed to fix that makes them [TS]

  more yesterday but I got back I i stayed [TS]

  out late my date with maryjane o [TS]

  baguette friend one of the best one of [TS]

  the nice things about ultimate [TS]

  spider-man is that that various points [TS]

  he runs out of web fluid and he runs up [TS]

  costumes [TS]

  that's because his costumes get shredded [TS]

  right so you end up in situations where [TS]

  he has no spider pants and i love that [TS]

  because it's like this kid doesn't [TS]

  really know what he's doing and that's [TS]

  that's a nice thing about the character [TS]

  is that he's teased he doesn't have it [TS]

  all together he's a kid he's making as [TS]

  it goes along and also and also get [TS]

  gamepak2 what [TS]

  we talked about earlier it takes it [TS]

  takes a great deal to voluntarily get [TS]

  hit even if you even if you know that [TS]

  you that you can take that this person [TS]

  is swinging your face is not going to do [TS]

  much damage to you [TS]

  it takes a lot to put yourself in that [TS]

  situation we're willing to get it right [TS]

  so I think I i think that we're here we [TS]

  are just having talked about how we [TS]

  really wish there wasn't an orange [TS]

  origin story if you really wanted to [TS]

  prosecute that make that an interesting [TS]

  way to tell talk about this person's [TS]

  origin it's not about the spider bite is [TS]

  by figuring out that [TS]

  oh actually it's okay for me to get hit [TS]

  in the face or it's okay okay for me to [TS]

  put myself in this dangerous situation [TS]

  because there's a limit to how badly can [TS]

  get hurt but also the than that other [TS]

  thing that makes spider-man so good is [TS]

  that he's not like he's not like the [TS]

  Hulk is not like she hulk where you know [TS]

  she's the she-hulk is to me a very [TS]

  boring character because it's been [TS]

  demonstrated with a pet specialty the [TS]

  past 10 years that nothing can possibly [TS]

  hurt her and when Dan Slott took over [TS]

  and i love dance lot but he didn't [TS]

  because one of the things I didn't like [TS]

  about when he was doing the she-hulk run [TS]

  is that established now she has a [TS]

  healing factor you can be basically [TS]

  stabbed her through the chest you found [TS]

  the one thing in the universe that can [TS]

  actually hurt her and just as long as [TS]

  you remove it should be okay in about 30 [TS]

  seconds no problem there [TS]

  Peter Parker he gets bruised he gets cut [TS]

  if you shoot him if that if that bullet [TS]

  if he can touch on the way if that ball [TS]

  hit hard [TS]

  Peter Parker he'd be dead and the fact [TS]

  that he's yeses and i know i totally [TS]

  agree that's a really great point but [TS]

  that's also consistent with the comments [TS]

  to you know he gets shot in the [TS]

  competition he shied I i agree that I [TS]

  think the movie will have put a lot on [TS]

  its plate that if that at some point [TS]

  later window down the feature set of [TS]

  this movie saying oh yeah we can either [TS]

  yet it's like trying to figure out [TS]

  exactly how much fuel to take on a trip [TS]

  to the moon it's like okay but if you if [TS]

  you want to take on this piece of [TS]

  equipment we're gonna have to take on [TS]

  less fuel which means that we can't we [TS]

  can't stay out for quite such much time [TS]

  what you want to do next [TS]

  they should have said ok if you really [TS]

  want to make this a story about Oscorp [TS]

  in science that means you're going to [TS]

  cut back on his origin story because we [TS]

  don't have enough there is enough [TS]

  bandwidth in the audience to to keep [TS]

  track of all these sort of things [TS]

  similarly if you can say well we really [TS]

  we know that he has it in every single [TS]

  incarnations character as a spidey sense [TS]

  we cannot figure out a way to [TS]

  economically communicate that to the [TS]

  audience when he's fighting so let's [TS]

  just say either was just not use that in [TS]

  this story at best we'll say that oh [TS]

  well he has the spider sense but he [TS]

  hasn't figured out he's really figured [TS]

  that out yet in the next week in the [TS]

  next in the next movie we'll figure out [TS]

  the spider-sense so I really but one [TS]

  thing for the record I when I think I'm [TS]

  saying after listening to you guys [TS]

  explain this is that really like Peter [TS]

  Parker maybe not so much spider-man in [TS]

  this movie like I felt like he wasn't [TS]

  you know I'm saying like oh yeah i know [TS]

  this is this is I think that's accurate [TS]

  because I mean when he takes he's got to [TS]

  talk to captain Stacy when he's been you [TS]

  know been wounded is on the ground and [TS]

  says I gotta go you gotta let me go [TS]

  she's at the tower and all of that yes [TS]

  you know the it's yeah it's Pete its [TS]

  this kid trying to figure out to be so [TS]

  this is not like mr. professional [TS]

  spider-man right this is amateur kid [TS]

  trying to become spider-man yeah and ona [TS]

  Andy to your point the one that they [TS]

  kept in that they should have completely [TS]

  edited out is the whole there's the [TS]

  whole subplot where there's like a [TS]

  lizard gasps the turns pure and [TS]

  delicious [TS]

  yeah and that exists seems to exist only [TS]

  so that he can have the antidote up on [TS]

  top of the tower and I there are lots of [TS]

  things like that and the fact that Gwen [TS]

  coincidentally works with dr. Conners [TS]

  and all these all these interconnected [TS]

  things and and then there's the whole [TS]

  like our story arc set up about Norman [TS]

  Osborn needs his vaccine because he's [TS]

  dying and there's the executive from [TS]

  Moss Corp and all that stuff is [TS]

  completely unnecessary and extraneous I [TS]

  felt as though there there's the [TS]

  Christopher Nolan style superhero movie [TS]

  in which you set the which the director [TS]

  filmmaker sets the bar really really [TS]

  high in which we're going to take we're [TS]

  gonna take nothing for granted we're not [TS]

  we're gonna take nothin for free [TS]

  we're gonna make a wix incredibly well [TS]

  thought-out and polished movie and then [TS]

  there's the Avengers style movie which [TS]

  can be just as entertaining but it's [TS]

  like nope we're gonna have action flash [TS]

  noises great special effects just seen [TS]

  scene of keeping the keep the energy up [TS]

  and then of course when the lights come [TS]

  back up again you realize what that [TS]

  didn't make any sense all this point [TS]

  they do this this made no such thing to [TS]

  do that one either [TS]

  well who cares i had some popcorn had [TS]

  time for for two-and-a-half hours [TS]

  despite the spider-man movie is one of [TS]

  those types of movies really I feel like [TS]

  I feel like it's got more you know and [TS]

  we can we and have disagreed about the [TS]

  Avengers but but i will agree with you [TS]

  this that there's that there's the [TS]

  spectacle part which is fights and [TS]

  explosions and stuff like that and and [TS]

  if technical stuff and well-handled what [TS]

  I like about amazing spider-man that [TS]

  pushes it over the top for me is that [TS]

  when you get outside those moments you [TS]

  do have some either nice or interesting [TS]

  or funny character moments right you [TS]

  know the the stuff with this where he [TS]

  goes to Gwen Stacy's apartment and the [TS]

  dinner the super awkward dinner with [TS]

  Denis Leary and limonite what dinner [TS]

  with Dennis there would be awkward but I [TS]

  mean that's a great great casting yeah [TS]

  it's probably gonna be George Stacy and [TS]

  and so Peter what did that guy is a that [TS]

  guy's a freak he's a he's a he's a [TS]

  vigilante is outside the law and and [TS]

  it's just I love that stuff and like I [TS]

  said the stuff where Peter is shown to [TS]

  be decent and also when he's kind of [TS]

  like confused and doesn't really know [TS]

  what the heck he's doing [TS]

  I and when he learns about being that [TS]

  he's obsessed with the guy who killed [TS]

  Uncle Ben I mean all those things that [TS]

  those were nice moment so i got i got [TS]

  some sort of like I got the junk food [TS]

  part and I got some other nice kind of [TS]

  funny and and and good character stuff [TS]

  and for a bit you know for a summer [TS]

  blockbuster superhero movie that's not [TS]

  that's not bad that may not be the [TS]

  apotheosis of of of superhero movies but [TS]

  that's that's not bad to get a little [TS]

  bit of both of those things and not just [TS]

  the junk food if that makes sense that's [TS]

  a good way to say yeah i mean the AI [TS]

  think it's just the difference between [TS]

  the movie that you that sticks with you [TS]

  for four years afterward and the kind [TS]

  where your you leave the theater and [TS]

  it's behind responsible guy I believe it [TS]

  or not I'd completely forgotten that the [TS]

  spider-man but there's a new spider-man [TS]

  movie this year until you know this this [TS]

  topic for this show came out even though [TS]

  you can't give you that you could you [TS]

  can't escape all the ads for a whereas i [TS]

  mean it's it's it it's it's great [TS]

  dessert it's a great snack food is just [TS]

  not something that really sticks with [TS]

  and I think that it's those kind of [TS]

  decisions that the filmmaker makes [TS]

  yeah although i'll say that that scene [TS]

  where Peter stands up for the person [TS]

  who's getting beat up and and actually [TS]

  got really awkward dinner and a few [TS]

  other scenes in this movie we'll stick [TS]

  with me I don't feel like you know [TS]

  spider-man 2 I feel and and the original [TS]

  but but spider-man 2 was a movie that [TS]

  hung together i think really well and is [TS]

  one of my top superhero movies and this [TS]

  isn't this isn't necessarily in that [TS]

  class but I i think you know but it [TS]

  worked it worked for me and like I said [TS]

  a lot of it was getting that character [TS]

  in that place early on that let me [TS]

  accept some of the ridiculous plot and [TS]

  circumstance that happened later because [TS]

  I i got like the characters journey was [TS]

  more important to me than the ridiculous [TS]

  connections of the plot and thatthat's [TS]

  if you don't make that connection then [TS]

  you have nothing to go on and you're [TS]

  just staring at the plot saying why [TS]

  would this makes no sense but if you're [TS]

  rooting for the this kid then the movies [TS]

  gonna work a lot better just from just [TS]

  because you're on his side and so like a [TS]

  you know like this at the beginning I [TS]

  feel like that's that for me and I can't [TS]

  maybe if thats it doesn't work for you [TS]

  it's not gonna work the movies not gonna [TS]

  work the same way but for me it was like [TS]

  so perfect decision to get me on his [TS]

  side that fast because then that excuse [TS]

  a whole lot of sins and there were well [TS]

  I want to send anything like this way [TS]

  wouldn't have wouldn't have been [TS]

  interesting if he had he saw that and [TS]

  his money his main thought was that I'm [TS]

  just glad I'm not glad this person is [TS]

  being bullied but i'm glad that i can [TS]

  get my class on time it's not like that [TS]

  i'm saying more of a practical thing [TS]

  where I really thought that I was going [TS]

  to be five minutes late and bleeding by [TS]

  the time I got to math class [TS]

  I'm glad I'm just you know glad that I'm [TS]

  I'm not getting hassled today and that [TS]

  you see that's this kid has changed his [TS]

  attitude where we was being mean before [TS]

  but he may be looks back on his past [TS]

  things think I really wish there had [TS]

  been someone to interviewing intervene [TS]

  for me every time that I had been i I've [TS]

  been writing that sure now that I mean [TS]

  that would be a different story i guess [TS]

  for me i liked I liked it was a way i [TS]

  had not follow the character before in [TS]

  thinking that he didn't get his bravery [TS]

  because he got powers [TS]

  yeah right you see him stand up to flash [TS]

  when he is impervious and can beat the [TS]

  crap out of flash you seen that in [TS]

  various retellings and I like [TS]

  here that he said no no he stands up the [TS]

  flash even when he's gonna get he knows [TS]

  he's gonna get beaten down by him [TS]

  because he's a decent person and that [TS]

  was a different take [TS]

  and i like that take because it wasn't [TS]

  what I'd seen before but it you know [TS]

  that would be a different choice to go [TS]

  the way that you it's just be which [TS]

  would be interesting because it would be [TS]

  it would have been have resonance with [TS]

  that whole I'm looking out for number [TS]

  one kind of thing that was from the Lee [TS]

  and Ditko story of like you know who [TS]

  it's not me I'm gonna walk on by and [TS]

  then regretting that later there's [TS]

  there's a fundamental aspect of [TS]

  storytelling and that is changes as part [TS]

  of life that you are the sum total of [TS]

  your your experiences in the past that [TS]

  dictates how you react to new [TS]

  experiences in the future and that if [TS]

  you're the same person today as you were [TS]

  five years ago then congrats so glad you [TS]

  came out of that coma serve didn't think [TS]

  you'd live hands it so i love when a [TS]

  comic uses takes an opportunity to [TS]

  really underscored those kind of markers [TS]

  to say that mean that Peter Parker is a [TS]

  different person at age 24 h 23 then he [TS]

  was a teenager he would have been a [TS]

  different person 24 even if he had not [TS]

  been bitten by a radioactive spider and [TS]

  that a it [TS]

  I'm sorry I'm sorry that everything i [TS]

  say he's come back to an unkind comment [TS]

  about fantastic for the past lessons and [TS]

  that's why it's so interesting to me [TS]

  that you have the in fantastic four of [TS]

  these four people that were two of them [TS]

  are absolute tourists you know you have [TS]

  this disc this good this woman who he'd [TS]

  sort of dabbled in modeling dabbled in [TS]

  this really didn't have any focus you [TS]

  have this kid who is just two idiot jerk [TS]

  from like from day one and they had to [TS]

  really change who they were by the [TS]

  virtue of the fact that now we have [TS]

  these powers and now we're being thrown [TS]

  into these situations and so when you [TS]

  when the different fantastic four riders [TS]

  try to establish oh no Sue Storm she was [TS]

  a 1 choose a hero even before then she [TS]

  was a strong independent dominant person [TS]

  who gets what she wants and goes and get [TS]

  your no no that's okay so you have since [TS]

  essentially robbed her of that part of [TS]

  the journey by saying that now she's the [TS]

  same person she was before only now she [TS]

  can become invisible so that that so [TS]

  that's so I I that comes back to I don't [TS]

  diss [TS]

  agree with you that strong seen I just [TS]

  my tears mortoon towards why would an [TS]

  opportunity that would have been to say [TS]

  this is the process he's going through [TS]

  the Pat over the next 2-3 years now that [TS]

  he has superpowers he will he would be [TS]

  he will be different person start to [TS]

  finish but how [TS]

  however how we gonna compare him to who [TS]

  he was at the start the start of the [TS]

  movie it's it's it's interesting when [TS]

  you start off his character that we [TS]

  don't really like or that we ourselves [TS]

  might ignore making oh my god this guy [TS]

  is such a was he didn't even like wanted [TS]

  like throw a rock at this guy to may be [TS]

  distracted wow he just had the easiest [TS]

  one day was and then thinking well but [TS]

  finding out that he has learned to get [TS]

  the get a bit of a backbone and it's not [TS]

  the sort of arrogance well now that I'm [TS]

  invulnerable now I can do what I want is [TS]

  that you know what I really wish that [TS]

  somebody who would add any opportunity [TS]

  to do anything had intervene for me any [TS]

  the hundred times when I really needed a [TS]

  hero come by so I'm looking forward to [TS]

  reading indian tacos new run on the the [TS]

  adjective inserted here spider-man [TS]

  beginning that email address again is a [TS]

  knocko @ supermarket letter [TS]

  that's right just let it can be and get [TS]

  in touch [TS]

  I'm the bed Marvel was doing some it's [TS]

  an interesting time to be a fan of [TS]

  spider-man we have we have spider-man [TS]

  number 700 coming out which is promises [TS]

  lots of changes and then there's day [TS]

  they are shutting down [TS]

  yeah until they start back up again [TS]

  amazing spider-man with number seven [TS]

  hundred and they're starting a new [TS]

  spider-man title which I I think they're [TS]

  hinting is not going to have Peter [TS]

  Parker as spider-man and this is another [TS]

  point where Moises says that Dan's going [TS]

  to be a Hulk rage out but bear with me [TS]

  here because in all of the spider-man we [TS]

  also had a storyline which led to [TS]

  another character becoming spider-man [TS]

  and so this the you know where we had a [TS]

  little bit and there there was the [TS]

  spider-man 2099 was an alternate [TS]

  spider-man right but generally keyword [TS]

  alternate spider-men but this is their [TS]

  plan with Peter Parker and spider-man [TS]

  here in ways that they haven't before [TS]

  and I think it's sort of strange timing [TS]

  that they're doing this and I don't [TS]

  really understand it i will say that i [TS]

  think the ultimate spider-man with Miles [TS]

  Morales who is the new ultimate [TS]

  spider-man despite all of my feelings [TS]

  like that was a giant mistake and [TS]

  was Miss marketed and all these all [TS]

  these problems I had with it has turned [TS]

  out to actually be a really good story [TS]

  despite all of that so it's like the [TS]

  people you know when you get past the PR [TS]

  and go back to actually an interesting [TS]

  story the story's pretty good even if [TS]

  the pr was really annoying but this 700 [TS]

  amazing spider-man and then the big [TS]

  mystery about what happens to spider-man [TS]

  after that it's like I i had that moment [TS]

  of like why do you keep so why are you [TS]

  screwing around with Peter Parker they [TS]

  already did the one more day fan where [TS]

  they notified the video with the devil [TS]

  that nullifies the the wedding and all [TS]

  of those i gotta keep it in continuity [TS]

  lot of things we got to keep it in [TS]

  continuity but we'll just have a magic [TS]

  spell the changes all the communities [TS]

  that are usually continuity [TS]

  oh my guys so i sold it right right so [TS]

  why did they messing with I mean I feel [TS]

  like you're messing up messing up a good [TS]

  thing when they mess around the state [TS]

  not necessarily i like I too was like oh [TS]

  boy I was really really worried when the [TS]

  more the more Marvel hype something in [TS]

  advance the more worried i get about it [TS]

  because I think they're batting maybe 04 [TS]

  a hundred in how they pay off what they [TS]

  promised to be doing in a big event and [TS]

  dan slott whom I again absolutely love [TS]

  music is one of those names were and [TS]

  instantly interested in any comic that [TS]

  he's writing wrote one cup what wrote [TS]

  one guy I have a co-author credit with [TS]

  him on one Marvel comic instantly so [TS]

  he's a colleague and we work together [TS]

  no it's the lamest credit whatsoever [TS]

  that story for the day but I'd so he was [TS]

  typing typing typing issue 698r that was [TS]

  that was the ornery spider-man number [TS]

  was red sticky comics and stories by [TS]

  locate the indigestible spider-man [TS]

  number one but the I thought they did [TS]

  something really interesting with are we [TS]

  doing spoilers are we not doing spoilers [TS]

  for this am doing yesterday [TS]

  weatherzone yeah the UH the in advance [TS]

  we knew that all who is spider-man like [TS]

  Oh guys are gonna be another one where [TS]

  they figure out that well people don't [TS]

  really care about Peter Parker what they [TS]

  care about is the costume so if we put [TS]

  another person in the costume [TS]

  oh boy i'll still love that which is why [TS]

  Miles Morales I really couldn't I it's a [TS]

  fine story but it's like okay why bother [TS]

  making spider-man [TS]

  I don't care about a different person as [TS]

  spider-man following Peter Parker so by [TS]

  doing this story very very cleverly [TS]

  written 698 where it sounds yeah i was [TS]

  i'm reading the story and thinking oh [TS]

  I'm so glad to see the Peter Parker [TS]

  finally is like losing his like [TS]

  self-deprecating you know self-defense [TS]

  attitude [TS]

  hey I'm doing great work for the [TS]

  scientists and that as a scientist and [TS]

  you know what I'm gonna start things up [TS]

  with Mary Jane I don't know why I'm not [TS]

  doing this and I'm an Avenger is that [TS]

  wonderful and adventure is a great Peter [TS]

  Parker's having some pride that we find [TS]

  out that no actually dr. body swap or [TS]

  could i maybe something that involved [TS]

  because the doctor octopus putting his [TS]

  his brain his thoughts his personality [TS]

  and everything and taking don't don't [TS]

  dad don't try to get exactly on it I [TS]

  think thanks but yes he copied his [TS]

  personality but the memories of pickles [TS]

  right and and however that were resident [TS]

  699 then you know that now peter [TS]

  parker's owner has a time yes [TS]

  dhaka stock smell and including his date [TS]

  with and thanks [TS]

  yeah thatthat's I i think that that's [TS]

  I'm relieved and now intrigue and what [TS]

  he's going to do with that because what [TS]

  I don't like is these things were a if [TS]

  I'm have a question if with the one more [TS]

  day thing if you're having a [TS]

  conversation with somebody and they ask [TS]

  you why did this happen expected the [TS]

  answer oh well II see Peter Parker did [TS]

  this deal with the devil but no the [TS]

  answer is well some editor decided that [TS]

  he wanted Peter Parker to not be married [TS]

  anymore and so not really caring how [TS]

  they did this so long as they did it [TS]

  they did it the most lame way possible [TS]

  because it whenever there's what I feel [TS]

  ok so Peter Parker is going to be [TS]

  they're gonna kill Peter Parker and [TS]

  someone else could have to take on the [TS]

  mantle of Peter Parker and so fast for [TS]

  three years from now when nobody [TS]

  remembers that Peter Parker was dead [TS]

  not even Peter Parker because they [TS]

  reversed in such a lame stupid way it [TS]

  was a waste of time to get that to sell [TS]

  comics in November of 2012 [TS]

  this is an interesting thing that [TS]

  doesn't validate was gone before [TS]

  promises to be an interesting dilemma [TS]

  for Peter to be in and I you can make [TS]

  too much about what I'm about to say I [TS]

  hope I articulate this correctly when [TS]

  you get to the end of this story line it [TS]

  doesn't create something that has to be [TS]

  ignored for the next five years like [TS]

  wednesday michael Straczynski decided [TS]

  that Peter Parker is actually is [TS]

  morphing into an actual spider dies it's [TS]

  a totem an exact yes it seemed had then [TS]

  I knew that Peter Parker after turning [TS]

  into a horrible spider creature dies a [TS]

  new Peter Parker cry crawls out of that [TS]

  husk of that preacher that Peter Parker [TS]

  was and now there's that again there's [TS]

  this business meeting in which the story [TS]

  conference like everybody had their [TS]

  donuts great everybody have coffee great [TS]

  ok we not we all know what we're gonna [TS]

  have to say let's just all stay at the [TS]

  same time [TS]

  123 the thing with the spider house [TS]

  never happened good around the same yeah [TS]

  let's never speak of this ever again [TS]

  i I just don't like those things which [TS]

  is clearly this is gonna happen [TS]

  temporarily and then this huge thing [TS]

  that should be for the rest of his life [TS]

  Peter Parker should be holy mother of [TS]

  god I was a spider who ate human flesh [TS]

  and then I called holy mother that I'm [TS]

  not coming to work today [TS]

  what you go to work that has to be every [TS]

  single day for the rest of his life if [TS]

  we accept this actually happened [TS]

  whereas but dan has been doing with rock [TS]

  its that's going to be very interesting [TS]

  that that's a trial is going to teach us [TS]

  a lot about who Peter Parker is and it [TS]

  isn't and also isn't that the worst [TS]

  thing imaginable latest that that as as [TS]

  as trustworthy as that they as a horror [TS]

  story element as body swap that someone [TS]

  is living her life for you isn't the [TS]

  worst fear that oh my god this guy is [TS]

  doing a better job of being me than any [TS]

  better any god damn it [TS]

  yeah that's the yeah exactly [TS]

  continuity is just a crushing thing in [TS]

  comics in general and and that mean [TS]

  that's why ultimate spider-man worked so [TS]

  well for me is that that they got to [TS]

  toss it out and tell that story again [TS]

  after you tell the story is long enough [TS]

  then you know literally every story has [TS]

  been told and then you end up doing [TS]

  these backtracking things there's [TS]

  nothing worse like you said then and [TS]

  saying the reason this story happened is [TS]

  because we have an editorial directive [TS]

  to change the continuity [TS]

  I mean that's it that one more day I [TS]

  would put the crisis on Infinite Earths [TS]

  thing in DC Comics the same sort of [TS]

  thing is like it's a story about [TS]

  continuity that's not a story continuity [TS]

  is not a story right get being back I [TS]

  would much rather do if you ever watch [TS]

  the TV show friday night lights the [TS]

  second season of friday night lights [TS]

  kind of goes off the rails and the third [TS]

  season comes along and they don't have [TS]

  Bobby Ewing standing in the shower and [TS]

  though it was all a dream [TS]

  they're just like we're not going to [TS]

  talk about what happened we're just [TS]

  gonna eat did never happen right [TS]

  they just don't talk about it and tell [TS]

  more stories and comics sometimes get [TS]

  way too caught up in the mechanics of [TS]

  continuity and i think that the writers [TS]

  are at fault the editors our fault my [TS]

  fans are at fault when really what we [TS]

  wanted our good stories that that shed [TS]

  light on these characters that we like [TS]

  that are that that's different something [TS]

  that we haven't thought of before an [TS]

  interesting take on a character and if [TS]

  spider-man 700 leads down to interesting [TS]

  stories about these characters [TS]

  especially if they don't have to read [TS]

  content all later [TS]

  that's great that's that's what i want [TS]

  is I want good stories right ultimately [TS]

  up that's yeah but and andy and i talked [TS]

  about this in the past when I forget [TS]

  which episode was Andy but we were [TS]

  talking about why these characters [TS]

  who've been around for so long why I the [TS]

  authors continue to write for them and [TS]

  not come out with new heroes are new [TS]

  villains quite as much and it this kind [TS]

  of circles back to that in some way and [TS]

  that you know you have you have somebody [TS]

  like me who at age four was sitting next [TS]

  to spider-man and like spider-man is a [TS]

  certain he's a certain guy under the [TS]

  mask and it's not like I don't want to [TS]

  see him change like when he got married [TS]

  am j like I thought that was great you [TS]

  know I thought that was go look at this [TS]

  you know he's growing up I grew up he [TS]

  shouldn't haha right you know and like [TS]

  that was fine and there's been things [TS]

  i'm not going to say that I was a fan of [TS]

  the the clone things when he had the [TS]

  extra arms or you know when he came out [TS]

  of the house like those those things are [TS]

  kind of weird [TS]

  and you know the entire world knowing [TS]

  his identity [TS]

  well okay you know it's not your friend [TS]

  less interesting dr. Mary Jane Mary Jane [TS]

  also had a baby that they don't talk [TS]

  about so yeah and there was a clone that [TS]

  took his identity but it didn't take [TS]

  this identity but it did yeah andyou [TS]

  know there have been introduced and [TS]

  apparently yeah okay [TS]

  scarlet spider but that you know so that [TS]

  there are different there i mean if [TS]

  you're almost gonna draw I'll go along [TS]

  with it but it you know for me it's it's [TS]

  it's tough because this is a character [TS]

  who you know like if you sell well [TS]

  Superman's not gonna be Clark Kent it's [TS]

  gonna be Lex Luthor in in his brain [TS]

  well they've done things like that you [TS]

  know but you you always got the sense [TS]

  that it wasn't there wasn't a sense of [TS]

  permanence to it and everything that [TS]

  that Marvel and the people from Marvel [TS]

  have been saying is you know that that [TS]

  you're starting a new series with we're [TS]

  talking about the superior spider-man [TS]

  because and we didn't think we've said [TS]

  this issue and 700 I it [TS]

  this issue and 700 I it [TS]

  is the last few of the amazing [TS]

  spider-man last until it proves useful [TS]

  to make it not the last but yes but [TS]

  there is the new series to replace it is [TS]

  called superior spider-man right which [TS]

  is going to start with issue number one [TS]

  in january and I it it is not this is [TS]

  what they said it is not going to be [TS]

  Peter Parker yeah the masking now at [TS]

  least we're being unless this is all [TS]

  just a red herring [TS]

  yeah we're being led to believe that [TS]

  this is now doc ock I rocks brainpower [TS]

  and met and and yet still his own [TS]

  memories and Peter Parker's memories [TS]

  it's totally a red herring but you know [TS]

  but to what end [TS]

  I don't know the sad thing is they did [TS]

  this already I mean that as a fan of [TS]

  ultimate spider-man they stopped [TS]

  ultimate spider-man and they remembered [TS]

  it with number one they had that event [TS]

  where nothing will ever be the same and [TS]

  New York was flooded and then of course [TS]

  five issues later everything was the [TS]

  same but because it's comics but um and [TS]

  then spider-man will not be behind the [TS]

  mask and all of that Peter Parker won't [TS]

  be behind the mask and it was all just [TS]

  you know it was bogus [TS]

  it was you and now here they are doing [TS]

  it again yeah so it's it's pee again [TS]

  sometimes I feel like the pr actually [TS]

  serves to make me less interested in [TS]

  what they're doing that and then the [TS]

  stories have to redeem the PR which [TS]

  seems backward to me but ok fair enough [TS]

  but but we don't want them to screw up [TS]

  spider-man oh that's my thought is like [TS]

  amazing spider-man 700 issues it's been [TS]

  there since the beginning the second [TS]

  appearance of spider-man was amazing [TS]

  spider-man number one and now there's [TS]

  like well we're going to do this other [TS]

  spider-man and we're gonna see what [TS]

  happens and what is this may be this [TS]

  good stories will come out of it is [TS]

  necessary to do it's not like this with [TS]

  spider-man I I say no I say no and [TS]

  that's the thing like you want to keep [TS]

  them relevant you want to keep them [TS]

  interesting well i thought the ultimate [TS]

  spider-man both spider-man characters [TS]

  you know in that and those stories [TS]

  around it or really interesting and you [TS]

  know what okay so Peter Parker died died [TS]

  and was very sad [TS]

  it was very sad and that kind of sucked [TS]

  and there are people who got really [TS]

  upset about that [TS]

  yeah I damn i actually got more upset [TS]

  that they advertise it as the death of [TS]

  Spiderman five-issue arc for upfront [TS]

  yeah and so when it happened it was like [TS]

  oh so they did [TS]

  instead of it being actually like oh I [TS]

  can't believe what they just did it [TS]

  again the PR / blue the story which is [TS]

  that was too bad but I we had about it [TS]

  but you know like they can do that kind [TS]

  of thing but you knew that they were [TS]

  doing that and that they're bringing in [TS]

  miles and then you're like well at least [TS]

  we got Peter Parker over here in the [TS]

  real yeah right you know like you knew [TS]

  that and we were over here again and now [TS]

  they're screwing around with that you [TS]

  like I just like I and you know what I [TS]

  mean I know that I know why they're [TS]

  doing what they're doing seen in you [TS]

  need to sell these things and that's [TS]

  fine but can I don't know [TS]

  now i'm trying not to get upsetting is [TS]

  that what I don't like is that there's a [TS]

  I don't know why they make they have to [TS]

  make every story line about the stupid [TS]

  details about the characters if this [TS]

  this is this is a pet it was all the way [TS]

  back to III first I first really [TS]

  identified by watching Star Trek The [TS]

  Next Generation all of those episodes in [TS]

  which i have it i just wanted to get the [TS]

  showrunner in a room and just say dude [TS]

  you have interesting colorful range of [TS]

  characters that are on a starship that [TS]

  can go anywhere and do anything and this [TS]

  season you had five episodes of which [TS]

  something happens to the holodeck they [TS]

  have to fix the computer i'm not [TS]

  interested in this ship go someplace [TS]

  interesting and have them do something [TS]

  interesting and so yeah I don't know [TS]

  yeah I know you're right the short story [TS]

  about a character when you could just [TS]

  tell an interesting story [TS]

  well it's like it would we want to do [TS]

  something really really terrific with [TS]

  with Peter Parker so I know let's mess [TS]

  around with his powers or let's have [TS]

  someone else in his body or let's have a [TS]

  morph into something else as opposed to [TS]

  you get Peter Parker great character [TS]

  you've done great now let's put an [TS]

  interesting interesting situation and [TS]

  see see how he reacts to it [TS]

  one of my favorite moments in comics [TS]

  where they did when doing a special [TS]

  event crossovers for a little bit more [TS]

  special than they used to be there was a [TS]

  special one out 11 shot in which Peter [TS]

  premature spider-man and wolverine [TS]

  teamed up and did something together and [TS]

  at the end of this book of it at the [TS]

  it's being a Wolverine story of course [TS]

  she had of course it's about like [TS]

  former lover of wolverine and hershey's [TS]

  the shadowy business she's in right now [TS]

  and then assassins and stuff like that [TS]

  and the climactic moment is one in which [TS]

  is essentially the Wolverines lover [TS]

  decided to suicide by cop thing and [TS]

  involves spider-man it [TS]

  we're just by reflex she attacks you [TS]

  attack them from behind knowing that he [TS]

  would basically flout without really [TS]

  without red really be able to think [TS]

  about it and basically killed her and [TS]

  the entire deal of this story was [TS]

  Wolverine like no man that's horrible [TS]

  because I can kill somebody and I really [TS]

  think twice this is gonna miss this guy [TS]

  up forever and that's the last scene and [TS]

  there's a bubble follow-ups in which we [TS]

  see him just not knowing what to do with [TS]

  this fact knowing that he even by [TS]

  accident has killed this person been [TS]

  irresponsible and you don't have to give [TS]

  him an extra set of arms you don't have [TS]

  to you know make his powers transferable [TS]

  to somebody else you don't have to put [TS]

  another person in his head to make these [TS]

  incredible moments you know that Peter [TS]

  Parker even if you kill someone by [TS]

  accident that will change him that will [TS]

  make you that level you can feel the [TS]

  burden that he's put on himself this [TS]

  happened to him [TS]

  I want to see more stories like that and [TS]

  the problem is that there are two [TS]

  problems with pitching a story like that [TS]

  number one always leave a they rent [TS]

  their Marvel and DC does this to me they [TS]

  rented a rental suite at the ramada inn [TS]

  someplace and they put all their their [TS]

  their editors and their riders and [TS]

  veteran for three days you know and they [TS]

  can create a sound and no one's gonna [TS]

  say no no it's sort of like going to [TS]

  being the creative summit at like TGI [TS]

  Fridays and saying what if we were to [TS]

  source RB from the best grain-fed farm [TS]

  ever will get our our vegetables locally [TS]

  will produce mistake and vegetables are [TS]

  just fresh a perfectly cut from [TS]

  perfectly cooked [TS]

  nobody's gonna be here you say that [TS]

  they're gonna say what if we put [TS]

  sparklers and we can fit we coated in [TS]

  chocolate in a double black black orchid [TS]

  chili sauce or coffee is the death on a [TS]

  plate yes you win you win i think the [TS]

  same thing happens these creative [TS]

  summits where everyone tries to top each [TS]

  other and top each other and top each [TS]

  other when they say no I have this [TS]

  really wonderful moment what if Peter [TS]

  Parker had to simply stop that [TS]

  had this sort of moment that happens to [TS]

  him where he can still go on with his [TS]

  life they're gonna be no physical [TS]

  repercussions was gonna make him rethink [TS]

  every decision he's ever made because [TS]

  he's never had to make he's everything I [TS]

  ever had to make this decision before we [TS]

  had is literally say these five people [TS]

  are gonna have to die because I dare [TS]

  these 20 people that I might be able to [TS]

  save and then maybe he only saved four [TS]

  of those people that and that and that [TS]

  bus they ran off to go and save that and [TS]

  that could go five or six issues as he [TS]

  just tosses this around and said time [TS]

  and time again it would be one of those [TS]

  little one of those stories that just [TS]

  sticks with you remember 20 years later [TS]

  I mean the only reason why we're talking [TS]

  about one more day 22 the years later is [TS]

  that it's the the predicate to the [TS]

  subject line what's the dumbest thing [TS]

  that has ever been a a marvel comic ever [TS]

  he thought you can outdo the game after [TS]

  the Clone Saga and one-hop wait we did [TS]

  you're right i mean I I wonder sometimes [TS]

  if it and again i have great left for [TS]

  ultimate spider-man if the reason that I [TS]

  think that was so successful is really [TS]

  because it was often decide it was one [TS]

  author basically his vision Brian Bendis [TS]

  bit vision and he got to tell the [TS]

  stories he wanted to tell and wasn't [TS]

  part of the creative summit imaginations [TS]

  with crossover events and things like [TS]

  that and that you know that you lose [TS]

  that and then it becomes this weird kind [TS]

  of committee driven stunt driven thing [TS]

  and maybe that's just the nature of the [TS]

  of the medium but uh you know I i love [TS]

  the character though I mean I guess [TS]

  before have been going for a little [TS]

  while here before we go I want to ask [TS]

  you know what makes us love spider-man [TS]

  why do we why do we love Him do we love [TS]

  Him because He is this guy who doesn't [TS]

  have his act together we loved him [TS]

  because his is outfitted school and he's [TS]

  got cool powers why why is he one of the [TS]

  top you know two or three comic book [TS]

  superheroes that that have ever existed [TS]

  which is I think kind of undeniable you [TS]

  got Superman and Batman you got [TS]

  spider-man I think those are the top [TS]

  three right so why is he end up in the [TS]

  pantheon what why we love Him because [TS]

  the way this personality has been [TS]

  crafted it is classic powerful story and [TS]

  doesn't mean it doesn't really even [TS]

  matter that he is spider-man or this is [TS]

  a comic book the fact that he could be [TS]

  so much more than he actually is and he [TS]

  has held back by this overwhelming [TS]

  guilt that he will never use think is [TS]

  the guilt trip superintendent and about [TS]

  and I am NOT whining way either [TS]

  ok where is that were either you've seen [TS]

  other characters were psycho for the for [TS]

  the love of God you know is that what [TS]

  happened 20 years ago and that person [TS]

  would be dead or Undead dead by now [TS]

  anyway what just stop whining about it [TS]

  if he doesn't know doesn't do a whole [TS]

  lot of pacing in rain-soaked midnight [TS]

  streets about not being able to [TS]

  intervene and save the same example been [TS]

  but you see that this is why I Eve is [TS]

  he's going to he's gonna go [TS]

  he has a big job interview at 9am he's [TS]

  gonna do it on two and a half hours [TS]

  sleep because he felt was all I need to [TS]

  cover this one more block because there [TS]

  might be something his life is a [TS]

  disaster in part because he's so [TS]

  responsible in he'll he's allowed Peter [TS]

  Parker's life to be a disaster because [TS]

  of the responsibility he feels right [TS]

  spider-man you know and it's I mean we [TS]

  could we could have such a regular [TS]

  spiritual and religious discussion about [TS]

  this [TS]

  we're at some point it even become self [TS]

  indulgent that he feels this amount of [TS]

  guilt that he could move on to be twice [TS]

  and be twice as effective at helping [TS]

  people but it's a there's a there's [TS]

  there's a reason why the grieving [TS]

  process is called a process because a [TS]

  process ends if you make grief your [TS]

  entire life theme you are throwing away [TS]

  when the greatest gifts that the [TS]

  universe gives you which is life so that [TS]

  the this is the this is a condensed [TS]

  version of the three are excited [TS]

  discussion we can have about the gospel [TS]

  for computer Parker but that's why he is [TS]

  such a powerful character you could [TS]

  write an opera based on this character [TS]

  you could buy an app you could you could [TS]

  write a epic novel about this character [TS]

  it's such a powerful and compelling [TS]

  concept that a innocence he's almost [TS]

  bulletproof he will he will he will [TS]

  survive one more day he will survive [TS]

  being turned into a giant spider he [TS]

  would even survive the spider buggy [TS]

  because of this core concept that [TS]

  mission just can't mention you know you [TS]

  mentioned guilty I i think the [TS]

  interesting thing about him and and I do [TS]

  think guilt is at the root of his origin [TS]

  but it's that the great power comes [TS]

  great responsibility to be guilt [TS]

  transmuted into responsibility but it [TS]

  does it gives you a good reason why he [TS]

  does what he does and why he prioritizes [TS]

  that superheroes sometimes struggle with [TS]

  you always a view if you apply some [TS]

  reality some logic to some of these [TS]

  superhero stories like why why do it why [TS]

  would you even do it what you want you [TS]

  getting beat up you're gonna die [TS]

  you know all these reasons why do you do [TS]

  it and with spider-man we got a really [TS]

  good reason why which is it starts with [TS]

  guilt and it leads to an understanding [TS]

  that he has to do it because he's got [TS]

  these powers and he would be [TS]

  irresponsible he would be by not acting [TS]

  he would be perfect he would be [TS]

  committing up a bad back right by not [TS]

  acting and that's what drives him so [TS]

  maybe it maybe maybe he's worked through [TS]

  some of that guilt Andy maybe not [TS]

  depends on the story right but he [TS]

  certainly hasn't lost the fact that [TS]

  guilt turns into this rock-solid you [TS]

  know credo of responsibility that he has [TS]

  to he's always going to have these [TS]

  powers and therefore he's always going [TS]

  to be responsible but it's it's it's [TS]

  it's fascinating to me know it's there [TS]

  have been a few a really emotionally [TS]

  fulfilling but maybe not story-wise [TS]

  filming scenes which through one trick [TS]

  or another [TS]

  peter parker gets to talk to his uncle [TS]

  ben one more time and the interest the [TS]

  interesting way to end that would be at [TS]

  Pete I really wish that you had married [TS]

  mary jane i wish you would have kids I [TS]

  wish that you had built a life for [TS]

  yourself and sort of living your life [TS]

  through others because you know if I [TS]

  taught you anything it was because you [TS]

  have value in this world and you are [TS]

  keeping your own value on this planet by [TS]

  not living your life for yourself that [TS]

  way the sort of thing now there's the [TS]

  six-issue story arc in which oh god now [TS]

  he's staring at the pills in the rope [TS]

  but he's having problems with dan what a [TS]

  what what it would make spider-man [TS]

  appeal to you you know i mean at I think [TS]

  obviously there's that the very basic [TS]

  stuff that because i don't remember a [TS]

  world that didn't have spider-man in it [TS]

  right [TS]

  you know just like their kids yeah born [TS]

  today who like you know like the [TS]

  Simpsons is really old cartoon right [TS]

  well damn more and you never live never [TS]

  knew life without star wars which blows [TS]

  me away i remember discovering star wars [TS]

  but you're spider-man for us right was [TS]

  always die of those that 1967-68 crazy [TS]

  cheap weird [TS]

  spiderman cartoon yeah [TS]

  man yeah man does whatever that was my [TS]

  introduction spider-man and I thought it [TS]

  was great [TS]

  absolutely even though they only had [TS]

  like the one shot of him swinging from [TS]

  the side one shot of that were good [TS]

  thing those teenagers are gonna you know [TS]

  what it was that was oh my god no [TS]

  spider-man he's the greatest yeah I [TS]

  always holders from that and then like [TS]

  he came to my mall and it was like the [TS]

  coolest thing in the world so you know [TS]

  I've always gotta a place for and here's [TS]

  eight here's what I always liked about [TS]

  him and I didn't realize that i like [TS]

  this until see I didn't self-identify as [TS]

  what you call a nerd or geek until I was [TS]

  old enough to really know what that was [TS]

  so the fact that like Parker was you [TS]

  know pocket protector pencil nike kind [TS]

  of kid like that didn't especially [TS]

  appeal to me and I I remember thinking [TS]

  you know like why doesn't he just buys [TS]

  me spider-man all the time why would you [TS]

  ever want to be Peter Parker it seems [TS]

  stupid the same thing with likes you [TS]

  know what Batman like why does he wear [TS]

  the suit all the time he does and even [TS]

  struggling with your records I'm sorry [TS]

  once I don't let you get back it has to [TS]

  be pointed out that Batman is the real [TS]

  personality super the costume is Bruce [TS]

  Wayne [TS]

  yeah then very very very interesting [TS]

  Bruce Wayne is a is a fraud and Batman [TS]

  is the guy we get it we gotta get we [TS]

  gotta get Jason to see that movie so you [TS]

  can tell ya those we will read we will [TS]

  revisit the other Nolan trilogy I want [TS]

  to talk about that be great there [TS]

  remember yeah dad that's the difference [TS]

  of Superman that was always the argument [TS]

  is right from Clark Kent is the is the [TS]

  is to put on and Superman is the galaxy [TS]

  I think it's the other way around Peter [TS]

  Parker is the hero hear you i will say [TS]

  again [TS]

  parenthetically that's completely [TS]

  reverse of it that the car cat is the [TS]

  real person Superman is the fake [TS]

  personality they're super Superman is [TS]

  the fake person okay fair enough fair [TS]

  enough [TS]

  where's Batman Bruce Wayne is a potent [TS]

  right Bruce Wayne is millionaire doofus [TS]

  right [TS]

  gernot real right not not a reed not a [TS]

  real guy even though there is a real guy [TS]

  that's not how that's not him right [TS]

  where's Peter Parker I don't know why is [TS]

  who's the real who's the real guy I've [TS]

  Peter Parker's the hero peter parker's a [TS]

  hero and you always feel like you and [TS]

  this is do you ask me what appeals to me [TS]

  you feel like that's Peter Parker at [TS]

  least I do when I really want to read [TS]

  when the good writers you know home [TS]

  talking and it's the sacrifice right [TS]

  sacrifice to look like i said his his [TS]

  wife is is just crap you don't come at [TS]

  least I sacrifices a totally and I don't [TS]

  feel when I'm reading you know when you [TS]

  when you read Batman ok taping caloron [TS]

  let's you know let's let's get down to [TS]

  business here with some of the cow with [TS]

  Peter Parker and spider-man I feel like [TS]

  it's one guy I don't feel like there's a [TS]

  duel at least you know [TS]

  not since the black suit I don't feel [TS]

  like there's a dual thing happening here [TS]

  it's one guy he sometimes wears the mask [TS]

  because he's out there and he's doing [TS]

  stuff where he doesn't want you know [TS]

  people know who he is and and then the [TS]

  rest of the time he's not but it's still [TS]

  one guy and one of the things back to [TS]

  this movie [TS]

  one of the things that was was you know [TS]

  need about and of course you have to do [TS]

  this because you know you want to see [TS]

  his expressions and stuff but there's a [TS]

  lot of parts of the movie where he was [TS]

  although he was doing stuff as [TS]

  spider-man he might not have the mask on [TS]

  again right you know you do that because [TS]

  you want to see the actor you want to [TS]

  see what he's experiencing the girls [TS]

  like him whatever but you say that like [TS]

  that and it totally makes sense but that [TS]

  was one of the problems with the [TS]

  original Sam Raimi's again is that it [TS]

  was like a Power Rangers movies you [TS]

  never saw people face it was like 50 [TS]

  million better and-and-and know who was [TS]

  a who was the Green Goblin that it was a [TS]

  fall wedding photo right I admit they're [TS]

  having these moments where it's coming [TS]

  back and forth and it's like it is but [TS]

  its member states a man it's a series of [TS]

  masks so it's so is that like he loses [TS]

  his mask he takes his mask offerings [TS]

  like it's a gun right it's this [TS]

  candidates the heart of spider-man to me [TS]

  ya know i think that i think you're [TS]

  right the flat in fact that things don't [TS]

  always go well for him that he's a [TS]

  reaction to those like super with it [TS]

  together DC heroes where you know [TS]

  especially back in the sixties when he [TS]

  was created and the then Peter Parker is [TS]

  just kind of it's kind of messed things [TS]

  don't go well he gets beat up he you [TS]

  know he he loses his job or he misses an [TS]

  assignment or whatever it is and that [TS]

  that's kind of endearing to that he he [TS]

  you know he's struggling with being a [TS]

  superhero it's not easy right it's not [TS]

  easy alright and this is this is what [TS]

  I'm gonna like him you know the cops [TS]

  don't like him jonah Jameson does right [TS]

  come you know you know what I felt like [TS]

  I didn't miss was the whole show me lass [TS]

  pecked to the tobey maguire Peter Parker [TS]

  the sad sack still behind bars way [TS]

  you said it kicks the can is nothing to [TS]

  give to you right [TS]

  you're the pretty girl and you like me [TS]

  but I just can't my heart is too full [TS]

  right right what you want to shake it [TS]

  and you're like stupid Peter Parker and [TS]

  there's not there's none of that in this [TS]

  for again he had you in my life and [TS]

  dignity [TS]

  yeah andrew garfield so I think did a [TS]

  good job I thought he was a I think he [TS]

  again I didn't know when thanks to get [TS]

  you I thought I was not gonna like him [TS]

  in this role and and I wound up thinking [TS]

  he did a pretty pretty good job and [TS]

  Martin Sheen pretty good a Uncle Ben I [TS]

  thought to surprise especially [TS]

  especially in that scene in the High [TS]

  School where gwen stacy is there and he [TS]

  basically tries very hard to embarrass [TS]

  ya at lunch is possible [TS]

  I'm his parole on separately expect it [TS]

  sadly walking everybody walk into [TS]

  talking a lot more though [TS]

  yeah I know I know it's like well you're [TS]

  your dad your uncle is the president of [TS]

  the united states for pete's sake yeah [TS]

  and you're and you're on and is Sally [TS]

  Field yeah come on how bad can life be [TS]

  your girlfriend's got it much worse [TS]

  Denis Leary and father I mean [TS]

  alright so let's listen one thing we [TS]

  haven't really talked about very much at [TS]

  all and i don't want to spend too much [TS]

  more time in the center you guys because [TS]

  they're running out of time but yes I [TS]

  think I think we're thinking the same [TS]

  thing [TS]

  ok what is nanny should spider-man be an [TS]

  adventure oh well that's a good question [TS]

  to the maybe better than what I was [TS]

  gonna say so should he be various [TS]

  various movie contract suggestion but [TS]

  yeah I would say no I would say [TS]

  absolutely not [TS]

  and the fact that he is in the comics is [TS]

  strange and it's strange to Peter Parker [TS]

  by the way in the comics too [TS]

  yeah I never liked that beyond beyond [TS]

  like Marvel team-up I never liked Peter [TS]

  Parker never like spider-man interacting [TS]

  with the other Marvel heroes beyond a [TS]

  you know misunderstanding i get in the [TS]

  way happy having trouble for having been [TS]

  pool for that he's a lonely you know [TS]

  he's a loner [TS]

  he's a lonely guy and and being part of [TS]

  me that was an interesting story arc [TS]

  when they were like move into the [TS]

  penthouse of Avengers mansion with [TS]

  ant-man and things like that because it [TS]

  was so like whoa this is not my life [TS]

  right that so so i could see telling a [TS]

  story like that but in general to just [TS]

  have them kinda be tagging along with [TS]

  the adventures it doesn't seem to eat [TS]

  because i'm writing those in and it did [TS]

  the running joke in those is that he's a [TS]

  speaking of underpowered he's so [TS]

  underpowered when he's with the other [TS]

  cheers and that's the joke that's the [TS]

  joke in the comics well okay Black Widow [TS]

  is an adventure to when captain captain [TS]

  america's number one superpower is being [TS]

  really really liked by brian michael [TS]

  bendis after one superpower keeps [TS]

  writing some pretty good power but [TS]

  it'sit's it deprived putting it at its [TS]

  so much stronger that he has the respect [TS]

  of pretty much all the other girls out [TS]

  there right but he doesn't feel as [TS]

  though he deserves it he's been that had [TS]

  been offered a spot of the event started [TS]

  bouncing no I'm not really in this [TS]

  league guys I really at your level and [TS]

  also there's the idea alright so people [TS]

  in the chat room and ear by pointing out [TS]

  that Hawkeye is he's okay so fine he's [TS]

  not underpowered compared to all of them [TS]

  but you know you're still running around [TS]

  with with the whole home you know and [TS]

  Iron Man Thor I wouldn't be bad PR for [TS]

  them too [TS]

  i mean i-i he's he's so disliked by so [TS]

  many people would be like you know [TS]

  Spidey we love you but we can't be seen [TS]

  around row anyway I like I think he adds [TS]

  a bit of hard to the Avengers team i [TS]

  haven't seen that movie yet either but [TS]

  in the comic books they're a bit bit [TS]

  boring yeah sadly not allowed to be in [TS]

  the in there because of all the x-men 1 [TS]

  world and right spot although although [TS]

  apparently they were gonna stick stark [TS]

  tower in the amazing spider-man and [TS]

  stick the Oscorp tower in the Avengers [TS]

  just as an odd even though they're [TS]

  totally separate studios and then there [TS]

  i guess they ran out of rendering time [TS]

  and it didn't happen but that would have [TS]

  been cool little easter egg dan what we [TS]

  sow what-what-what's the elephant in the [TS]

  room for you that because Andy what I [TS]

  was gonna say is it didn't guess what we [TS]

  haven't even talked about the lizard we [TS]

  haven't even talked about them [TS]

  oh my god answered I try to explain me [TS]

  what do you think do you think you know [TS]

  that what do you think of uh of this of [TS]

  this lizard you know they wanted to pick [TS]

  a villain who was not in the other [TS]

  movies so they're down to to the lizard [TS]

  and yeah I i think the lizard kinda [TS]

  deserve better just because the lizard [TS]

  for me has always been this tragic guy [TS]

  that I'm super triangle especially when [TS]

  he's ready girls are back right [TS]

  he's not a megalomaniac he tries to [TS]

  grows on back and open this door and and [TS]

  and let this monster out and then in I [TS]

  like actually in the comics down the [TS]

  road they always had Connors kind of [TS]

  comeback [TS]

  in and be really kind of chase and like [TS]

  you know boy I screw up but now i'm [TS]

  going to help you can use my science [TS]

  powers to help here because I 0 and 100 [TS]

  yeah I like that I was like that dynamic [TS]

  but in this heat just becomes he starts [TS]

  out kind of nutty and then he becomes [TS]

  completely insane [TS]

  he's like that professor in college that [TS]

  flunking you just couldn't figure out [TS]

  why because you didn't do a bad job you [TS]

  know he has that kind of attitude is a [TS]

  little bit aloof LOL it turns out he was [TS]

  injecting radioactive lizard by his you [TS]

  know intravenously and that explains [TS]

  everything and I and that's the thing [TS]

  like I didn't I didn't I didn't think [TS]

  the treatment of a of I the character [TS]

  was good i didn't especially like the [TS]

  lizard as the lizard [TS]

  i I just I felt like at least they had [TS]

  him in the lab coat for that one scene I [TS]

  was grateful for that right [TS]

  they had to have that uh huh everybody's [TS]

  getting shot up the lizard's great [TS]

  choice for being here this is gonna be [TS]

  this is gonna be an action movie what's [TS]

  cooler than anthropomorphic lizard this [TS]

  insane and then yeah it is and he's also [TS]

  ok he's also a character that can fight [TS]

  someone with spider-man's powers very [TS]

  very effectively you don't you know it's [TS]

  good monster exactly a good monster my [TS]

  problem was the the lab scenes where [TS]

  he's like ranting about where I I guess [TS]

  I'll i prefer a lizard that's kind of [TS]

  more like the Hulk where it's like [TS]

  there's this really regretful scientists [TS]

  and then there's this monster the dress [TS]

  over and instead he just became this [TS]

  metric megalomaniac side right wanted to [TS]

  become a lizard yeah and he was happy as [TS]

  the lizard it seemed like and and play [TS]

  content and then when he went back to [TS]

  being connor's again he wanted to go [TS]

  back to Lizard right away and I mean [TS]

  there's a little bit of that dynamic in [TS]

  in the books as well but I don't know I [TS]

  just didn't think the tree and and to be [TS]

  honest I didn't like the look of the [TS]

  lizard one bed [TS]

  not one bit huh didn't like it when I [TS]

  did like when ripped off his tail i was [TS]

  pretty cool i was good but I do know [TS]

  that this sort of smushy face and you [TS]

  know I always delicious supposed to have [TS]

  a little bit of a snout he didn't need [TS]

  the chelsea grin as they say he was a [TS]

  little bit God's yeah Smitty Godzilla [TS]

  tiny Katella I don't know [TS]

  I don't know i was i was disappointed [TS]

  that i like you know III Gwen Stacy I [TS]

  liked aspects of that I thought you know [TS]

  she's cute as a button I you their [TS]

  interaction was really nice but the [TS]

  whole like she's also in the lab a [TS]

  couple of nonsense that was lame i think [TS]

  it would've been better if she was a [TS]

  regular high school student and I mean [TS]

  something else about Peter led him you [TS]

  know the fact that that her dad is the [TS]

  captain is enough of a coincidence to [TS]

  have her also work at the lab with [TS]

  honors who has the Oscar up which is the [TS]

  formula from Peters parents and all that [TS]

  it's just like too much too much and it [TS]

  makes her makes her character not make [TS]

  sense because she's just a kid like [TS]

  Peter in her school and she's not some [TS]

  scientific supergenius even if she's a [TS]

  very bright student she's not gonna be [TS]

  like literally on the line honours it's [TS]

  like when you're gonna run the whole [TS]

  intern program for all the other interns [TS]

  it's like know that no too many [TS]

  coincidences not necessary but but i [TS]

  liked you know I i like the character I [TS]

  like the performance I I like lots of [TS]

  things about it i like to also not [TS]

  having the burden of the mary-jane thing [TS]

  and having it you know be kind of little [TS]

  lighter it's like it's a girl he likes [TS]

  in high school and it's gonna be his [TS]

  first girlfriend and we know what [TS]

  happens to Gwen Stacy in the comics but [TS]

  i like that they that they just want to [TS]

  sit out better happen in the next movie [TS]

  that's all i've got to say they better [TS]

  happen it better happen early on in the [TS]

  movie i'm gonna be very upset i'll be [TS]

  very upset if she dies because I i think [TS]

  that's a good idea better i but but you [TS]

  kind of that sort of what you do with [TS]

  Gwen Stacy do you have the Green Goblin [TS]

  you help that's that's the next movie [TS]

  I'm gonna tell everybody right now the [TS]

  next movie is Green Goblin and it's [TS]

  going Stacy and she better die in this [TS]

  thing because if they go off the rails [TS]

  with that one too [TS]

  you've lost me it's not that I don't [TS]

  like her I think she's great I'll I I [TS]

  wish you would stick around but she [TS]

  can't it's too late [TS]

  the rumor is that electro really is the [TS]

  the villain in the next one and i hope [TS]

  so I hope there's no green goblin in the [TS]

  next one and they play that out even [TS]

  further with Norman Osborn because what [TS]

  I'd what I've learned about superhero [TS]

  movies and you guys can back me up on [TS]

  this is when you start adding more [TS]

  villains that's when the quality of the [TS]

  movie goes through ten you do I likely [TS]

  an IV around electro though [TS]

  well they didn't find lizard you've got [TS]

  to transformation you've got him as a [TS]

  scientist that the thing we discussed [TS]

  the way the electric shows [TS]

  japanese you know he's happen people [TS]

  yeah Jamie Foxx is what gives you any a [TS]

  any encouragement realize this will be [TS]

  one of only 17 different subplots but I [TS]

  think that's something i think that i [TS]

  really wish that were like the [TS]

  Commissioner of movies where that this [TS]

  is like how like China controls the the [TS]

  internet where they don't stop you from [TS]

  doing anything but they realize that you [TS]

  realize that we are giving you were [TS]

  giving you a license to operate in our [TS]

  country if you do not please us we will [TS]

  pull that license if I have that sort of [TS]

  authority over the movie industry i [TS]

  would say okay Marvel if you want to [TS]

  continue to have a license to make [TS]

  movies you will never ever ever ever [TS]

  ever ever ever ever ever until I say [TS]

  otherwise do anything that builds up to [TS]

  a post-credit sequence in which somebody [TS]

  meet somebody else and shoes hidden by [TS]

  shadows on some and reveal something [TS]

  that tells us also he's gonna be the big [TS]

  guy in the next movie right because I [TS]

  mean both spoke with the spider-man [TS]

  movie the avengers that had that same [TS]

  problem where few have removed the fact [TS]

  that you have to have this other guy who [TS]

  has absolute almost no role in the [TS]

  actual movie but he's just there for the [TS]

  post-credit sequence to set up the [TS]

  sequel [TS]

  oh man you get that's like that's like [TS]

  dropping leg weights and being able to [TS]

  fly after that so it's like oh the [TS]

  Commissioner of movies has been so mote [TS]

  it be up there anything else you want to [TS]

  talk about a about a about Spidey before [TS]

  we go I feel like we've turned this over [TS]

  a few different because the constant but [TS]

  we don't have to go [TS]

  yeah I was ok that's a tough time there [TS]

  wasn't any real in real life right [TS]

  it was alright but I you know like to me [TS]

  he could build though I know you guys [TS]

  want to just get down but he made it [TS]

  right i mean i didn't like I believe he [TS]

  could make those web shooters fine but [TS]

  it got that constant come on come on [TS]

  yeah there's a there's a little there i [TS]

  like that they showed him like getting [TS]

  fabric and trying to make it right [TS]

  because i think that is part of the [TS]

  story but it was a good cause it was [TS]

  really good yeah and he was a future he [TS]

  has a future in in costume design for [TS]

  the movies well that in ultimate [TS]

  spider-man he has he ends up having Mary [TS]

  Jane makeup costumes and which is great [TS]

  because she's in on it early on and then [TS]

  he keeps losing his costumes and she's [TS]

  like do I have to make you another [TS]

  costume and its really funny and you [TS]

  know like I said he's got no spider [TS]

  pants for a while [TS]

  it's good it's that's really great stuff [TS]

  so you know i like that they tried to [TS]

  make it that this is a homespun guy [TS]

  though that he's making his web shooters [TS]

  he's making his costume he doesn't have [TS]

  you know he's trying to do it all [TS]

  himself i thought that was fun even [TS]

  though it's completely unlikely that [TS]

  anybody who is not a professional could [TS]

  have made a suit like that right but i [TS]

  did i did like he ran around with a [TS]

  little mask on for a while the beginning [TS]

  that was pretty cool does whatever a [TS]

  spider can apparently spiders can make [TS]

  very detailed superior past outside [TS]

  didn't know that that integrate the [TS]

  greatest gift a superhero movies if not [TS]

  superiors in general is the fact that [TS]

  they're in real in real life there is [TS]

  this thing called a 3d printer so now [TS]

  that's your solution to every problem [TS]

  like how to delete kcee he's eating into [TS]

  the lab and use the 3d printer because [TS]

  he just picked out that they've been [TS]

  made this made this model in google [TS]

  sketchup of the costume that he's a good [TS]

  artist to a nice little schedules I know [TS]

  that I know that there's no way to get [TS]

  no way to get around the idea of putting [TS]

  him in the iconic costume nor should [TS]

  they get around that idea but I do [TS]

  always well these superhero movies when [TS]

  they the the trend is to not set in a [TS]

  superhero universe to set it in our real [TS]

  world and to make it a little bit more [TS]

  grounded and I don't think any with the [TS]

  possible exception of the Batman movie I [TS]

  don't know that chris nolan's batman [TS]

  movies I don't think they've set a [TS]

  reality in which somebody can dress like [TS]

  spider-man and not look like the fight [TS]

  starts with what the hell are you [TS]

  wearing boy right well you know that new [TS]

  with the new manager the Man of Steel [TS]

  trailer you know there's that shot with [TS]

  the big billowing cape and I'm like oh [TS]

  here's the cape right and it's just it's [TS]

  not if you're looking for reality you're [TS]

  going to do I mean the x-men they tried [TS]

  to do that by putting them all in [TS]

  leather flight suits or whatever instead [TS]

  of spandex but it's it's hard i liked [TS]

  that scene where he tries to fight in a [TS]

  like a hoodie I thought that was that [TS]

  was good yeah but I mean unless you're [TS]

  like one of my one of my favorite [TS]

  superhero movies is unbreakable the M [TS]

  night Shyamalan movie with bruce willis [TS]

  and and what it Bruce Willis turns out [TS]

  spoiler alert [TS]

  he's sort of a superhero what's his [TS]

  costume a purple poncho that he's [TS]

  wearing because it's raining [TS]

  that's his costume it's a guy in a [TS]

  poncho but that's there's your [TS]

  real-world take is that this kid would [TS]

  not have a super spin [TS]

  Dex costume on but you know that's [TS]

  that's the intellectual property i hate [TS]

  to say it unless they do it's a real [TS]

  gritty rethinking of spider-man wear it [TS]

  you know it's not it's he's gonna have [TS]

  tights on the account can escape just [TS]

  like Superman is gonna have the big [TS]

  glowing red cape just gonna happen so I [TS]

  like with Batman Chris Nolan to solve [TS]

  the problem by creating a heightened [TS]

  sense of unreality in the entire movie [TS]

  and even so pointed out that rice [TS]

  dressing specifically for a fact that [TS]

  everything is working as a tactical [TS]

  nature to it's not that he's right [TS]

  Batman is all about the equipment right [TS]

  so it's perfect to do that it's like [TS]

  it's part of the equipment Superman i [TS]

  think that the only way to make the [TS]

  character work is that you really do [TS]

  have to set it in a more cartoonish sort [TS]

  of environment where that we are not [TS]

  married not where you have your Plastic [TS]

  Man bouncing every frame even like [TS]

  everything is the first movie of this [TS]

  but you have to create a different sort [TS]

  of reality in which a man dressed in [TS]

  Mandarin a big red cape in blue long [TS]

  johns and and tight rocky red jockey [TS]

  shorts are over it makes sense inside [TS]

  that you inside that world which is why [TS]

  that movie like Fantastic Four movie [TS]

  like Superman I don't know by the insist [TS]

  on shooting in live-action where they [TS]

  didn't entirely CGI that that's that's [TS]

  the way to do is our Fantastic Four [TS]

  movie that's not that's that's that's [TS]

  you can really really can't do a movie [TS]

  like that where four characters with [TS]

  such interesting powers integrate into [TS]

  their world unless nothing you're seeing [TS]

  in any frame is real we were gonna have [TS]

  to include new Fantastic Four what year [TS]

  2015 yeah yeah well I hate to say it but [TS]

  you know some of these deals superhero [TS]

  deals they the studios have to keep [TS]

  making movies or they give it back [TS]

  tomorrow and at this point Marvel and [TS]

  Disney are I i'm pretty sure in the [TS]

  business of accumulating whatever [TS]

  intellectual property they can so we're [TS]

  going to keep seeing fantastic four [TS]

  movies we're gonna keep seeing x-men [TS]

  movies because they don't want to give I [TS]

  guess they'll give daredevil back right [TS]

  what I did something that was part of [TS]

  the spike just be a rumor but I read [TS]

  part of a deal that said that with we [TS]

  give you daredevil back will you give us [TS]

  some extra time to make this movie huh [TS]

  that could be that could be because [TS]

  Marvel back when it was making its own [TS]

  movies split you know splits all [TS]

  intellectual property across these many [TS]

  studios which is why [TS]

  we won't see spider-man integrated into [TS]

  the Avengers because they don't the [TS]

  Columbia Pictures has and Sony have the [TS]

  spider-man rights and Fox has the x-men [TS]

  rights and so Marvel and Disney can't do [TS]

  those but there is at but there is this [TS]

  expiration in the contract which is why [TS]

  you know you don't keep making movies if [TS]

  they think that there's return on them [TS]

  because if they stopped making movies [TS]

  than the rights go back at Disney and [TS]

  Marvel Marvel they have a what do they [TS]

  have sort of a reality Claus there [TS]

  because this is the famous story about [TS]

  the first Fantastic Four movie that was [TS]

  made by roger corman's roger corman's [TS]

  truly become a need for a million [TS]

  because like if they didn't make of it [TS]

  didn't start production by x date [TS]

  they're going to lose the rights they [TS]

  lose their option for the movie seems [TS]

  like basically is paid next to nothing [TS]

  but this really awful movie be made [TS]

  maybe maybe maybe that's pretty this [TS]

  part of like like the black male aspect [TS]

  of it saying well you can either give us [TS]

  another year to make it to make out the [TS]

  spider-man movie or we will go to a [TS]

  mexican studio we will hire some [TS]

  wrestlers we will make it and release it [TS]

  only in many well there is the hand cast [TS]

  we will cast a stone National City yeah [TS]

  yeah the champion they're saying that [TS]

  the deal was trying to get some Galactus [TS]

  and silver surfer writes back in [TS]

  exchange for a little more time to [TS]

  develop daredevil and I'm sure there's [TS]

  some horse trading like that but that [TS]

  goes on at this point because clearly [TS]

  Marvel would love to have all that stuff [TS]

  back under now that it's got a Towson [TS]

  order which it didn't want it made those [TS]

  deals right i mean their work for years [TS]

  no Marvel movies and they finally cut [TS]

  the deal especially the x-men deal with [TS]

  fox and that was like oh my god there's [TS]

  gonna be a movie about a marvel comic [TS]

  and in the end the spider-man deal with [TS]

  columbia and so you know we're left with [TS]

  with Marvel's property split up which [TS]

  maybe isn't a bad thing because then [TS]

  they would try to shoot one all those [TS]

  other all these the x-men and spider-man [TS]

  into the Avengers arc in and that would [TS]

  be kind of insane before their [TS]

  adventures Avengers was a good movie [TS]

  because it was a combined like for lame [TS]

  sequels and two lame origin movies in 21 [TS]

  and 1 and so that that can outlast what [TS]

  made it so you the Hawkeyes entire [TS]

  origin is [TS]

  one scene which all wow he's really he's [TS]

  a really good marks been done with the [TS]

  origin now let's move on to the story [TS]

  yeah we get the lane for sequel to get [TS]

  the lame Hulk sequel we get the lame [TS]

  ironman sequel in it all ends up at all [TS]

  ends up to entertainment it's like it's [TS]

  like it's like the Whitman sampler [TS]

  there's still an orange cream in there [TS]

  somewhere but well good luck finding [TS]

  anyone we won't realize that until we've [TS]

  already been made to it so it's kind of [TS]

  ok at so as we say goodbye I can't [TS]

  believe that we didn't touch on the most [TS]

  integral part of the spider-man mythos [TS]

  which is of course his appearance on The [TS]

  Electric Company yeah yeah [TS]

  in the late seventies which he could it [TS]

  wasn't does whatever a spider can it was [TS]

  a spot a man nobody knows who you are [TS]

  that was it nobody knows who you are [TS]

  nobody knows who anybody you know haha [TS]

  and he would he would shoot his his web [TS]

  webs and it would be drawn on the screen [TS]

  right and you'd cut and people would [TS]

  have like a big fishing net yeah that's [TS]

  right wife isn't that all that we go [TS]

  no spider-man and i wounded and spacing [TS]

  that he only spoke he only spoken [TS]

  bubbles in he didn't actually say [TS]

  anything out loud he would think he [TS]

  would you adjust your in a big like [TS]

  thought bubble would appear above his [TS]

  head out the worst of the worst work [TS]

  i'll ever and also and also know the [TS]

  Japanese the Japanese live-action [TS]

  spider-man where he like turns into a [TS]

  robot or something is the craziest one [TS]

  and Marvel has this on its website i [TS]

  think you can actually go with that does [TS]

  bring up some of my favorites especially [TS]

  moderns favorite spider-man stories the [TS]

  electric company that they actually [TS]

  licensed medical license for [TS]

  commissioned marvel to do a series of [TS]

  like water company spider-man comics [TS]

  where there might be super super stories [TS]

  exactly where else i read all of those [TS]

  there was a gate there Freddie Freddie [TS]

  dr. do but dr. doom has not kidnapped [TS]

  entire town and Poland and turning [TS]

  turning his former lover into a living [TS]

  suit of armor for his magical powers [TS]

  it's like more low-key like you kind of [TS]

  kind of your child a child the friendly [TS]

  source told he stole a cupcake [TS]

  exactly now we have figured that [TS]

  Spiderman ever had the Fantastic Four [TS]

  has to get the cupcake back [TS]

  yeah that's Franklin's cupcake we want [TS]

  it back exasperated oh you don't want to [TS]

  make Franklin angry because you can wish [TS]

  you have the cornfield real quick [TS]

  yeah it's aight i'll good anytime that I [TS]

  don't like what's happening the Avengers [TS]

  but I don't like what's happening and in [TS]

  spider-man i love the fact that Marvel [TS]

  does have these all ages comics because [TS]

  i think that the people guys and then [TS]

  the people who write those comics they [TS]

  are not writing stupid dumb down stories [TS]

  they're writing stories that are more [TS]

  clamor for true to like the 1967 1968 [TS]

  right superheroes wear interesting [TS]

  characters will do a story that's that [TS]

  can be finished in one issue we will let [TS]

  don't necessarily have to reinvent [TS]

  what's going on we don't do anything for [TS]

  shocker dramatically promotional value [TS]

  and because these are individual issues [TS]

  that can be read out of order [TS]

  we can have to make sure these [TS]

  characters are consistent from issue to [TS]

  issue to issue so um they have Marvel [TS]

  Avengers spider-man which is marvel also [TS]

  is it does a line of digest which are [TS]

  our kind of like manga style there on [TS]

  newsprint but they're digest paperbacks [TS]

  and i bought a bunch of those for my [TS]

  kids and those are really good and the [TS]

  end and i'll also put in a plug for [TS]

  spider-girl which was time to Falcone [TS]

  Ron friends which is also a series of [TS]

  stand-alone issues all ages [TS]

  it's it's peter parker's daughter the [TS]

  one that I said before that they kind of [TS]

  pretend doesn't exist in this is set in [TS]

  the future and peers retired and right [TS]

  she is spider-girl and has his powers [TS]

  and those are great to my daughter [TS]

  really loves those and and it's nice to [TS]

  get that that's it that's a character it [TS]

  doesn't have to all its darkest recesses [TS]

  just is an alternative i can say that [TS]

  yeah i'm not i'm not saying the [TS]

  fantastic for the past 3-4 years has [TS]

  been bad i'm not saying the Avengers the [TS]

  past 34 years has been bad you just be [TS]

  just each individually have our own [TS]

  tastes as to what we hope to get out of [TS]

  out of a familiar with familiar team [TS]

  book so i can with that said I've the [TS]

  moral adventures version of fantastic [TS]

  for the marvel adventures version of The [TS]

  Avengers I've enjoyed those books a lot [TS]

  more than their mainstream yeah versions [TS]

  yeah Marvel Avengers spider-man yeah i [TS]

  recommend it's great that they do that [TS]

  that line 24 for younger readers of I i [TS]

  occasionally I see somebody asked you [TS]

  know how do I introduce my kids comic [TS]

  standing Dan youyou get that sometimes [TS]

  too and and there are some there's some [TS]

  good ones out there that are Merlin Mann [TS]

  was asking that about about introducing [TS]

  his daughter spider-man [TS]

  I I said marvel adventures going [TS]

  spider-girl is really good and ultimate [TS]

  spider-man it you gotta be a little bit [TS]

  older but I think ultimate spider-man is [TS]

  a great sort of like tween preteen level [TS]

  story because it starts from the [TS]

  beginning and there's a lot of high [TS]

  school angst and it's good i like that [TS]

  so when i was there is there is this one [TS]

  line i'll just add to that [TS]

  that's my kid loves like spider-man and [TS]

  Batman and they make these books that [TS]

  are you know for kids [TS]

  I and they're you know they're they're [TS]

  not quite comic books but there i'll put [TS]

  some of these into the show notes for [TS]

  you but they they're they're more like [TS]

  little books that your kid can read that [TS]

  are simple but they still represent the [TS]

  cakes and for the thing with the vulture [TS]

  again that the jumping spider but if [TS]

  they're pretty otherwise they're pretty [TS]

  good and you can get the Batman once you [TS]

  get all the different here once and i [TS]

  think the public spider-man spider-sense [TS]

  been well fine and all right track them [TS]

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  that's great alright this has been great [TS]

  I feel like we've covered a lot a lot of [TS]

  ground and we've will we laughed we [TS]

  cried we've learned and and I've my [TS]

  appreciation spider-man has actually [TS]

  grown several sizes today so I'd like to [TS]

  thank my guests for joining in the [TS]

  celebration of the that that [TS]

  wall-crawling Menace teenagers at the [TS]

  apt and Benjamin thanks so much for [TS]

  being back on the show is great we [TS]

  should do this again sometime [TS]

  anytime you name the day right Thursday [TS]

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  as an eco thanks again for being here [TS]

  always a sly station [TS]

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  thanks to everybody out there for [TS]

  listening to be uncomfortable on Jason [TS]

  snow until next time thanks for [TS]

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