The Incomparable

128: Bureaucracy Is Her Superpower


  the incomparable number 120 a februari [TS]

  welcome back to be uncomfortable my cast [TS]

  I'm your host Jason Snelling i'm joined [TS]

  by two members of our book club the [TS]

  esteemed dan more'n joins us hi dan I [TS]

  chase and it's it's nice to be esteemed [TS]

  and thank you for sitting in for me on [TS]

  our special LIVE macworld expo episode [TS]

  about Aaron Sorkin I didn't get to say [TS]

  any of my things that I wanted to say [TS]

  about how I thought that he was a you [TS]

  know kind of losing it in in his last [TS]

  season of The West Wing before they [TS]

  removed him probably because of the [TS]

  mushrooms but we're just gonna let that [TS]

  go by godspeed blufgan to save her for [TS]

  the aryan circle part to see exactly [TS]

  when John siracusa will list all of the [TS]

  things that he wishes he could have said [TS]

  if he had been in San Francisco but he [TS]

  doesn't travel [TS]

  he's a hermits true it's true yeah so [TS]

  but thank you for taking a short battle [TS]

  for that I appreciate that very much [TS]

  it's nice one we pick a topic and I'm [TS]

  I've got a whole plan and then I say can [TS]

  you do it instead and I say sure the [TS]

  sucker [TS]

  also joining me for this book club is [TS]

  Scott McNulty of course because Scott [TS]

  read every book I am contractually [TS]

  obligated to read every book in [TS]

  existence it's that's the rule [TS]

  I'm enough of that so this book this [TS]

  book had the we're going to be talking [TS]

  about the brook by Daniel O'Malley and [TS]

  double whammy of recommendations in our [TS]

  year ending episode that we did for 2012 [TS]

  we talked about things we like during [TS]

  the year and one of the books that that [TS]

  Scott you singled out was the rook [TS]

  I don't remember that but I'm glad I did [TS]

  I I assure you you said you said that it [TS]

  was good and what fascinates me about [TS]

  this is that my wife in trying to find [TS]

  books to buy me for Christmas ended up [TS]

  buying me two books one of which we may [TS]

  talk about later in what are you reading [TS]

  and the other one who has the rock and [TS]

  so when she got my God look Scott [TS]

  mobility recommended the rook it's [TS]

  perfect it's it's a double whammy [TS]

  because she talked to her friends who [TS]

  are librarians like she is and they said [TS]

  they recommended those those two books [TS]

  including the brook and so we're going [TS]

  to talk about the rook and upfront i [TS]

  want to say i really liked it i thought [TS]

  this was [TS]

  a lot of fun i've been searching for [TS]

  books to read that we're gonna make me [TS]

  make me happy and make me excited and [TS]

  make me really want to pay i haven't had [TS]

  a good page turner for a while where I [TS]

  really wanted to get through it as fast [TS]

  as I could I was really enjoying it and [TS]

  the rook fit the bill the trip was right [TS]

  was just I was smiling the whole way [TS]

  through and it wasn't what i expect i [TS]

  had no expectations at all really about [TS]

  what it was even going to be about and I [TS]

  was delighted by so that's my short I i [TS]

  would agree with that assessment i mean [TS]

  i got it from Scotts recognition as well [TS]

  good job to get kudos and I so I didn't [TS]

  really know and I was her between books [TS]

  and a couple things I was looking at [TS]

  reading what kind of this is kind of fun [TS]

  after I read the synopsis on amazon and [TS]

  i bought it for my kindle read it and [TS]

  found it delightful know what I mean [TS]

  it's one of the few books there aren't a [TS]

  lot of authors i find who can make me [TS]

  actually laugh out loud and this book [TS]

  manage to pull that off at multiple [TS]

  locations which I was very impressed [TS]

  with especially from a first-time rider [TS]

  who I had never heard of [TS]

  yeah so that was you know that was that [TS]

  was kind of kind of fun it's a good plot [TS]

  like you said it's a page-turner there's [TS]

  there's some mystery there are some [TS]

  supernatural stuff going on [TS]

  it's got also sort of that whole like [TS]

  British strange not-quite comedy of [TS]

  manners but there's there is an element [TS]

  of this bizarre British like very [TS]

  Britishness of this whole secret service [TS]

  thing that their organization that [TS]

  exists there and I you know it's sort of [TS]

  hit all the right spots for me [TS]

  yeah it's funny that this book is is a [TS]

  very British book it's about a secret [TS]

  organization in the British government [TS]

  called the shack a or is it the show k [TS]

  but there is that he is not is not the [TS]

  check e it's not the Cherokee I always [TS]

  the check I thought that too old you [TS]

  like in the producers right oh you gotta [TS]

  have your check e but it's not it's the [TS]

  shaky it actually says in the book that [TS]

  it's pronounced ok because nobody would [TS]

  not have orders and otherwise and it was [TS]

  funny about it is that this is an [TS]

  American educated Australian who wrote [TS]

  this book he has no connection england [TS]

  at all as far as i can tell except he [TS]

  loves England and so he's created like [TS]

  the mi5 for Supernatural affairs and [TS]

  populated by [TS]

  or at least managed by people with [TS]

  magical supernatural powers [TS]

  although there are also some non-powered [TS]

  people who work at the at the show k & [TS]

  and Scott does this ring a bell [TS]

  do you remember now something about this [TS]

  book i do i've been trying to remember [TS]

  why [TS]

  so I did not read this based on my own [TS]

  recommendations so I'm trying to figure [TS]

  your own grandfather try to recall how I [TS]

  even came across i think it's just so I [TS]

  read a bunch of book blog so i'm sure it [TS]

  came across there and I just think they [TS]

  remember reading the synopsis and [TS]

  thinking this sounds incredibly stupid [TS]

  and but then it kept showing up and all [TS]

  these different blogs and then I went to [TS]

  the library and it was sitting there on [TS]

  like the new book things so I was like [TS]

  well i can add a label on it that said [TS]

  for Scott it said please read these got [TS]

  and so I said well you know I I don't [TS]

  have any better do so i read it and i [TS]

  was delightfully surprised I mean it's a [TS]

  lot of fun [TS]

  this is certainly not a book that you [TS]

  are like if you're looking for deep [TS]

  literary criticism and thinking about [TS]

  the world and what what is the meaning [TS]

  of existence [TS]

  you probably should pass on the rock but [TS]

  whoever a fun read that you know you you [TS]

  want to get to the end as quickly as [TS]

  possible because it is good but you also [TS]

  don't want to get to the end because [TS]

  you're enjoyed the characters are no [TS]

  more books in the series it's just the [TS]

  one book was yet yet yet yet yet I know [TS]

  but you're so used to reading a book and [TS]

  saying oh there's 17 more of these [TS]

  that's true there's no there will be [TS]

  those of this but it's you gotta get on [TS]

  board right now fun read is exactly what [TS]

  you said in our in our year-end episode [TS]

  by the way you said it's a fun read [TS]

  I'm glad I agree with myself that's yes [TS]

  so yeah and he at least this author [TS]

  unlike george RR martin who I am afraid [TS]

  will die before he finishes his series [TS]

  this offer is very young he seems he's [TS]

  like he's healthy and surprise so [TS]

  vigorous hopefully he will have a large [TS]

  output that we can enjoy one of the [TS]

  years to come he's an Australian too so [TS]

  he is nothing can kill Australians if I [TS]

  don't know anything [TS]

  now they're they're so powerful that [TS]

  they can do Scott McNulty supercuts [TS]

  their taxes triple or that board [TS]

  and that I enjoy the fact that the [TS]

  author makes his living working for like [TS]

  the Australian we rode it all though [TS]

  it's the equivalent of the disease [TS]

  equivalent of the NTSB basically yeah [TS]

  exactly yeah [TS]

  such as easy it's hilarious accidents [TS]

  plane crashes and the heat which just [TS]

  delights me yeah and he was educated [TS]

  like ohio state or something he say yes [TS]

  american-educated Australian who were is [TS]

  a civil servant and in his spare time [TS]

  has written this novel that everybody [TS]

  seems to hike and it's cool lot of fun [TS]

  so yay good job good on ya [TS]

  Daniel O'Malley put another shrimp on [TS]

  the barbie [TS]

  sure sure so we should say so that the [TS]

  main character of the rook is missing [TS]

  any rhymes with Tiffany they say that [TS]

  even though it's spelled my FA and wy [TS]

  it's Welsh spelling she pronounces it [TS]

  mythity Tiffany Thomas which is looking [TS]

  name which is which is great and what's [TS]

  what's funny about this book is it's a [TS]

  wee-wee open the story with her [TS]

  Rick waking up having no memory she's an [TS]

  amnesiac basically her entire mind has [TS]

  been wiped so she's got skills and [TS]

  language and knowledge of of like how to [TS]

  behave as a person but she has no no [TS]

  memory of her previous life she's [TS]

  essentially a new person waking up in [TS]

  the body of somebody else in psychology [TS]

  terms she has no episodic memory so [TS]

  nothing that's like ever happened to her [TS]

  but she has all her procedural memory [TS]

  which means it's not like she has to [TS]

  learn how to be a walk again [TS]

  so thanks for the psychology there Dan [TS]

  that's AI that's that was some AP [TS]

  psychology from high school [TS]

  good job fancy and then also she wakes [TS]

  up not having these at not having her [TS]

  episodic memory and oh but she also [TS]

  makes up surrounded by corpses dead [TS]

  people and they're wearing latex gloves [TS]

  which you must be surprising in the [TS]

  radio that's okay i gotta say as far as [TS]

  the openings go you know despite the [TS]

  idea and needed kind of being you know [TS]

  an overused cliché it's really [TS]

  effective in this book because I think [TS]

  exactly because we're in the person's [TS]

  head and so we're trying to figure out [TS]

  along with her exactly what's going on [TS]

  here and I really enjoy the fact that [TS]

  as the book progresses she's we sort of [TS]

  learned you know get acquainted with the [TS]

  character of me as she has to adapt to [TS]

  all these circumstances they keep [TS]

  getting thrown her way and she does so [TS]

  most times with aplomb or manage to at [TS]

  least make it look like she knows what [TS]

  she's doing and so it is kind of an [TS]

  interesting take on the old you know em [TS]

  easy act rope [TS]

  I think she does sarah O'Malley does a [TS]

  really good job with it it's also [TS]

  interesting something he uses this plot [TS]

  device we're missing any ah knows ahead [TS]

  of time that something is going to [TS]

  happen to her and so we find out through [TS]

  the course of the books that method [TS]

  before her episodic memory was wiped [TS]

  I was very good at organizing things and [TS]

  very regimented and she had a plan for [TS]

  everything and so she you know logically [TS]

  planned for what would happen if her [TS]

  memory was wiped and left herself a [TS]

  series of notes so that she could a [TS]

  guide herself through her own life which [TS]

  leads us to two very different [TS]

  characters that are in fact the same [TS]

  character we have can't past listen II [TS]

  and then the current metheny who has a [TS]

  very different personality that the [TS]

  older one that's writing to herself [TS]

  yeah and I like to that the the [TS]

  character that we meet the new Metheny [TS]

  is is not the old one and that is never [TS]

  it's never suggested that she's going to [TS]

  find a way to bring the old one back at [TS]

  the old one is gone that they that they [TS]

  set it up very early on this is a new [TS]

  person waking up in in this body with [TS]

  these eyes the old person is gone and [TS]

  the old person has communicated with [TS]

  letters detailing because she got this [TS]

  prophecy that she was going to lose her [TS]

  memory but at several points is the new [TS]

  person behaves quite differently the [TS]

  middle person as much bolder is is is [TS]

  actually kind of freed from a lot of the [TS]

  baggage that the old person had that was [TS]

  holding her back that the old the the [TS]

  old Metheny her power is basically be [TS]

  able to tie into other people central [TS]

  nervous systems and control what they do [TS]

  and the old one was very limited in what [TS]

  she would do with it and so was sort of [TS]

  the people with powers are in the in the [TS]

  che kar are given [TS]

  the power positions but she was [TS]

  reluctant to use her power so even [TS]

  though she technically had them she [TS]

  wasn't expected to use them and what we [TS]

  learn is this new person who is the new [TS]

  Metheny it has none of these hang-ups [TS]

  and so they all Lester they all [TS]

  underestimate her and that's delightful [TS]

  but I never felt like I was going to get [TS]

  the rug pulled out from under me and she [TS]

  was going to recover her memories or [TS]

  anything like that [TS]

  and despite what you get to learn of the [TS]

  old myth me and she is quite resourceful [TS]

  so we learned that she is you know like [TS]

  an expert bureaucratically like she [TS]

  keeps everything running that's her aqua [TS]

  see is one of her superpowers and that [TS]

  but it's you know despite that despite [TS]

  the fact i think you sort of get maybe [TS]

  exactly fond of the old version the new [TS]

  one is actually just something so much [TS]

  better character right lucky the old one [TS]

  is kind she's kinda boring right she's [TS]

  very mousy yeah she's very she's very [TS]

  non-confrontational she's always like [TS]

  doing it's really crippled from her [TS]

  childhood where she's taken in this [TS]

  society the people with powers are [TS]

  basically ripped away from their family [TS]

  and put in this kind of awful home where [TS]

  they learn how to how to use their [TS]

  powers and she's the old Matheny was [TS]

  basically crippled by that it was just [TS]

  such an emotional emotionally [TS]

  destructive act and she never recovered [TS]

  and the new method he has no baggage and [TS]

  she never actually learned how to master [TS]

  her powers to the full extent that she [TS]

  could have right so she always kind of [TS]

  self-limited herself by second-guessing [TS]

  yourself thinking she should use your [TS]

  power associate ever she avoided using [TS]

  your powers at all which then led her to [TS]

  become kind of a desk jockey as if you [TS]

  will at the supernatural mi5 yes the [TS]

  Sheikh a shape which is the supernatural [TS]

  mi5 yeah it's so that's a great because [TS]

  you're right Dan the the amnesiac main [TS]

  character could have been a really kind [TS]

  of I rolling trope and yet for whatever [TS]

  reason I never really felt that it was [TS]

  because i always felt from the beginning [TS]

  I was wary that there was gonna be a [TS]

  twist where her memory was actually in [TS]

  somebody else and this was all part of a [TS]

  plot no yeah I i thought the same thing [TS]

  I was keeping my eyes open for that but [TS]

  it was very clear from the beginning [TS]

  that that this was a new character and [TS]

  and she was going to learn about her [TS]

  world just as we did which is really a [TS]

  great [TS]

  way into it and the fact that she's [TS]

  continually underestimated because they [TS]

  think she's the old myth me and she's [TS]

  not [TS]

  that's a that's a great bit and so you [TS]

  get on her side really quickly because [TS]

  she's like us [TS]

  she doesn't know what's going on and yet [TS]

  she doesn't have any of these old these [TS]

  hang-ups of her predecessor and I never [TS]

  felt like you know i was i was wearing [TS]

  for the plot twist but it doesn't come [TS]

  the it's not a ripoff [TS]

  it's not a the the you know the amnesia [TS]

  doesn't get cured magically it will and [TS]

  they do a good job they do a good job [TS]

  with the overall plot the sort of the [TS]

  hooks of the plot in the end and the [TS]

  twists and turns of the plot in that [TS]

  they don't try to outsmart you I think [TS]

  there's a lot of this is kind of a [TS]

  thriller and in some ways sure and in a [TS]

  lot of thrillers I think they they try [TS]

  so hard to do something that you won't [TS]

  see coming that they double back on [TS]

  themselves and just make it like not [TS]

  make any sense i'm thinking particularly [TS]

  of the the end of the british version of [TS]

  state of play which just goes like five [TS]

  episodes setting up this like oh yeah we [TS]

  think it's this this person is behind [TS]

  everything and then in the last episode [TS]

  they sort of pull the entire rug out [TS]

  from under you like oh you never saw [TS]

  this coming and you're like yes because [TS]

  that makes no sense [TS]

  and so in that in that way like I think [TS]

  I i thought this might be trying to pull [TS]

  something off like that later on in that [TS]

  you get this sort of conspiracy that [TS]

  she's investigating and she knows that [TS]

  someone inside her own organization is [TS]

  trying to kill her and so of course i'm [TS]

  thinking trying to like think through [TS]

  thoughts ahead and and figure out if [TS]

  it's well what if what if pastor is [TS]

  actually just setup future her to take [TS]

  the fall right out and I'm like.he kind [TS]

  of satisfying way but it but in the end [TS]

  of place fair right exactly and it's [TS]

  it's not like oh that totally that [TS]

  totally came out of left field right [TS]

  like the the villain doesn't totally [TS]

  come out of left field you're not like [TS]

  super surprised by it but at the same [TS]

  time you know but it makes sense and i [TS]

  think that's that's the larger virtue [TS]

  here is a plot that logically hangs [TS]

  together better rather than something [TS]

  where it's like we're gonna do something [TS]

  totally crazy just so we can catch you [TS]

  by surprise [TS]

  right right yeah it's it's a place fair [TS]

  and it's got these really nicely drawn [TS]

  characters where you you meet I kept [TS]

  thinking it was it was [TS]

  little bit less x-men a little more [TS]

  Hellfire Club where it's you know your [TS]

  meeting these in these in these rooms [TS]

  with dark wood and lots of you know a a [TS]

  personal assistants and it's very very [TS]

  wealthy upper echelon of the of the [TS]

  British government but you meet these [TS]

  characters who are the the top tier of [TS]

  super-powered you know defenders of [TS]

  England from super-powered attacks and [TS]

  and they all have these weird different [TS]

  powers that are interesting i think the [TS]

  most interesting of all of them is 0 [TS]

  gestalt don't know what you assassinated [TS]

  care which is three siblings 4444 [TS]

  siblings for the four siblings two of [TS]

  them are twins there's two twins and [TS]

  there's a girl and another guy [TS]

  Yeah Yeah right that's for four siblings [TS]

  that have the same consciousness there [TS]

  one individual that they have four [TS]

  bodies and but they've also got the band [TS]

  with the brainpower the processing [TS]

  course of four brains and their one [TS]

  consciousness and that leads that leads [TS]

  to lots and if you think well that's [TS]

  kinda cool but you know what about this [TS]

  but what about this there are so many [TS]

  aspects of that you think you want to [TS]

  start to wonder if the if the book's [TS]

  gonna get into the details of what what [TS]

  that means [TS]

  and the answer is yes the book actually [TS]

  does there are their plot twists were [TS]

  revolving around gestalt and how gestalt [TS]

  works and how they use the different [TS]

  bodies that is I was fulfilled i was [TS]

  like I yes i literally laughed out loud [TS]

  at one point there's a scene that [TS]

  reveals a trick that gestalt is [TS]

  performing by having these multiple [TS]

  bodies that made me laugh out loud my ex [TS]

  kind of expected it to happen but when [TS]

  it happened it was a you know it was [TS]

  hilarious to see so they're not these [TS]

  powers are not unexplored and you know [TS]

  in there there's a vampire character who [TS]

  is very funny because he's got you know [TS]

  he's he's he he [TS]

  there she runs into him at a dance card [TS]

  yeah accidentally and you know he's [TS]

  there to have a good time too but he's [TS]

  this you know ages old vampire and in [TS]

  all these other characters and there's [TS]

  that there is a major American [TS]

  equivalent of the shaky who comes and [TS]

  and we meet some of those characters and [TS]

  one in particular because a friend of [TS]

  minis and so I really like the world to [TS]

  that we were we were meeting these like [TS]

  with comic book superheroes or something [TS]

  we're meeting these people and their [TS]

  pets learning their powers and that the [TS]

  ones who are the most interesting we're [TS]

  the ones where we did actually explore [TS]

  their power some which wich i really [TS]

  liked like I felt that this world was [TS]

  incredibly rich that you know every new [TS]

  powered character that comes along [TS]

  you're like oh tell me what this person [TS]

  can do write one up the powers are so [TS]

  unusual right like they're not just your [TS]

  standard run-of-the-mill like this is [TS]

  really strong yeah this first control [TS]

  fire you know like they do these bizarre [TS]

  things and some things that don't even [TS]

  seem like they'd be that useful right [TS]

  like there's the guy who can contort [TS]

  himself into like virtually any shape [TS]

  you know which seems handy for some [TS]

  things but like a lot of the time just [TS]

  to spend like grossing people out [TS]

  because it's like the companies like his [TS]

  legs wrapped around his head or [TS]

  something crazy you know and there's [TS]

  things like that where you can clearly [TS]

  see I think there's a couple other [TS]

  examples they give it a few points where [TS]

  there's characters who just seem to have [TS]

  powers that are not really useful and [TS]

  it's interesting to put that in there [TS]

  because there they are kind of very [TS]

  diverse in terms of what what these [TS]

  powers ideas can be in and then [TS]

  sometimes there's a lot of throwaway [TS]

  characters that will get mentioned [TS]

  there's also there's some line about [TS]

  like how when she's at school she never [TS]

  drank it all Metheny weekend but like [TS]

  there's that one kid who you would like [TS]

  if you let them lick your eyeballs or [TS]

  something yeah I just like what a weird [TS]

  idea to come up with [TS]

  yeah there's a lot of there's a lot of [TS]

  humor and in this in this book there [TS]

  there's a one so one of the characters [TS]

  is a vampire and you think that it's [TS]

  going to be alright [TS]

  the vampire is gonna is gonna you know [TS]

  hehe obviously they found him and made [TS]

  him part of the of the group and that's [TS]

  not true [TS]

  he like was part of this horrible they [TS]

  emerge from nowhere and they kill these [TS]

  people and and it's not at all what you [TS]

  expected in fact I of this is one of [TS]

  things i highlighted in the book is is [TS]

  after the after he kills over 33 days [TS]

  they kill 72 people who work for the [TS]

  show k [TS]

  and then they appear to the the people [TS]

  who run it and say actually while we've [TS]

  been killing all your people we've [TS]

  learned about your organization and we [TS]

  find it interesting [TS]

  would you like to have our young [TS]

  vampires work for you for a while you're [TS]

  like okay and the line in the book is [TS]

  are you startled by this abrupt rate [TS]

  change in direction it's what what is [TS]

  happening because it's just it you know [TS]

  so where the Lord and Lady there a it's [TS]

  you know there's this whole bloody story [TS]

  and it's not what you expect and it's [TS]

  funny and there's a lot of that these [TS]

  left turns that happen that i really [TS]

  like the sense of humor of it i found [TS]

  myself amused incredibly by the scene [TS]

  where she gets dragged out of the club [TS]

  to be interrogated by the one of the [TS]

  villains who is like this like basically [TS]

  lives in like a tank is sort of like pot [TS]

  you know in part regrowing himself right [TS]

  in your body right in actually she's [TS]

  brought into a limo [TS]

  it's got a floating tank of this [TS]

  partially grown guy in it right but he [TS]

  keeps like yelling at her and sloshing [TS]

  stuff and she's like this is really [TS]

  gross you know and I don't know and he's [TS]

  all insistent and indignant that she [TS]

  doesn't know who he is because she has [TS]

  no idea who are you [TS]

  it's right she has amnesia and even then [TS]

  I didn't really know what was going on [TS]

  and there's all sorts of nice touches [TS]

  like that words you get these characters [TS]

  into situations where even this should [TS]

  seem really ponderous and over-the-top [TS]

  but at the same time they they have this [TS]

  very down-to-earth sort of casual nature [TS]

  of conversation that makes it seem very [TS]

  real wear yellow okay if I was [TS]

  confronted with a giant with a person [TS]

  have that it was believed to be growing [TS]

  themselves this is probably how I react [TS]

  lots of lots of funny asides to that I'm [TS]

  like there's a Brigadoon reference i [TS]

  don't know if you caught that the yes [TS]

  Brooks who led the four prongs assault [TS]

  on Brigadoon and burned every structure [TS]

  and put its citizens to death and all [TS]

  remaining survivors perished in [TS]

  captivity [TS]

  it's like well while they destroyed [TS]

  Brigadoon that's why we didn't see it [TS]

  again I guess the the legend a tap and [TS]

  there's a lot of that it's like in [TS]

  English history [TS]

  oh this fable it turns out it's true and [TS]

  horribly true in a in a really awful way [TS]

  because the cheeky is there too [TS]

  scare me like buffy the vampire slayer [TS]

  or something like that right there the [TS]

  x-files they're the ones which would [TS]

  yeah they're tortured tortured vs you [TS]

  Torchwood meets the expansion is [TS]

  actually a really great way to describe [TS]

  this book lots of lots of fun we haven't [TS]

  really spoiled anything yet but i mean [TS]

  it's it's a it's you know it i think i [TS]

  think it's really great good characters [TS]

  lots of fun really good read [TS]

  I and never I I never really got a sense [TS]

  of where you know so some you read so [TS]

  many books that you you right Scott you [TS]

  read so many books I've read to me that [TS]

  that it's really kind of delightful when [TS]

  you read something you think i have no [TS]

  idea where this is going but there's [TS]

  just this is crazy and interesting and [TS]

  creative and i'm just going to take the [TS]

  ride because I I don't you know you're [TS]

  you're making me laugh you're surprising [TS]

  me and I'm happy to be on that on that [TS]

  journey with the rock III felt like like [TS]

  I just I didn't know where it was going [TS]

  and I just surprised the whole way [TS]

  through and I like the book i read there [TS]

  are lots of books that I've read that [TS]

  are written just to be crazy so they [TS]

  have no real coheres cohesive plot and [TS]

  they just are kind of a an exercise in [TS]

  language which is fun but it is a good [TS]

  thing of the rock is that it is crazy [TS]

  but you don't know where it's going but [TS]

  it actually has a plot and it does go [TS]

  somewhere which is satisfying because [TS]

  you know after reading kind of a [TS]

  experimental literature book the payoff [TS]

  generally isn't all that great for you [TS]

  know for the narrative but in this book [TS]

  at least you have a story has a [TS]

  beginning a middle and an end and it's [TS]

  enjoyable the entire way through right [TS]

  we should say it's not one of those [TS]

  ripoffs where you get to the end and you [TS]

  need to read another book either to be [TS]

  continued yeah yeah just that I've got [TS]

  i'm looking at my kindle highlights here [TS]

  in the edges that the the casual kind of [TS]

  humor that happens throughout there's a [TS]

  there's an incident where they go to [TS]

  investigate a house that seems to be [TS]

  distributed like doing terrible things [TS]

  and this is what I highlighted after [TS]

  flickering of the violent lights and [TS]

  many subsequent screams a torrent of [TS]

  viscous medium fluid streamed out one of [TS]

  the windows the fluid was currently [TS]

  being analyzed to see if it contained [TS]

  any of the personnel [TS]

  because this house is eating people and [TS]

  that and it's just it's it's it's got [TS]

  there really life light i would say [TS]

  English humor touch accept these [TS]

  Australian but it's just really just [TS]

  funny and clever and yeah i mean again [TS]

  it it he sometimes you just want to read [TS]

  books like this right where it's just [TS]

  you can you can you can just lean back [TS]

  and say look this is gonna be fun [TS]

  it's pushing all the right buttons of [TS]

  something like a like a superhero story [TS]

  or an x-files kind of story [TS]

  supernatural thriller with humor and [TS]

  some surprises and boy you know there [TS]

  aren't enough of those i think now I [TS]

  wish I'd bookmark something because [TS]

  there is a really long passage was it [TS]

  there's like two pages where she goes on [TS]

  about our when the writer goes on about [TS]

  the like whole catalog of supernatural [TS]

  creatures that they're responsible for [TS]

  dealing with this particular town [TS]

  oh yeah I remember that like it's like a [TS]

  three-page catalog comment list words [TS]

  like every supernatural creature [TS]

  folktale creature and some random other [TS]

  things and some very mundane normal [TS]

  things all straight like in this one [TS]

  huge list and keeps calling that's right [TS]

  like I'm putting the kindle pages like [TS]

  wow he's really really going with its [TS]

  yeah that was just as soon see if i can [TS]

  find that I remember that very much that [TS]

  it was that it was literally up like a [TS]

  page long list of every monster possible [TS]

  so that you are so that you could you [TS]

  get the sense that the shaky is is out [TS]

  for big they've been around they they've [TS]

  been around for hundreds of years right [TS]

  right and then we have the whole issue [TS]

  so we have their antagonists to that the [TS]

  Belgians the body as evil Belgians the [TS]

  grafters yes as they're called the [TS]

  grafters and again I I kept waiting for [TS]

  a fake-out know the the Americans are in [TS]

  league with no right that it plays it [TS]

  straight the grafters are bad [TS]

  the grafters are a historically evil [TS]

  figure that the chick a hasn't worried [TS]

  about 400 years and they're back and [TS]

  they are back [TS]

  it's not a fake out you know it's not [TS]

  again without getting into deep spoilers [TS]

  for the book it's not a fake-out it [TS]

  plays fair the grafters they say they're [TS]

  bad they're bad [TS]

  nobody expects a Belgian Inquisition and [TS]

  it's and it's their Belgians and they [TS]

  like to change people's bodies and do [TS]

  weird stuff to the the bodies and and [TS]

  now i'm gonna i think i think maybe i'll [TS]

  fire off the spoiler horn here [TS]

  so I one of the the great things about [TS]

  this at the end we discover throughout [TS]

  the book there's this whole little [TS]

  thread that keeps coming back which is [TS]

  that you know the the Belgian angry [TS]

  Belgian with the floating floating in [TS]

  the tank is like where have you put them [TS]

  I want my guy back and and she's like I [TS]

  have no idea what you're talking about [TS]

  well he sent you a package i have no [TS]

  idea what you're talking about and it [TS]

  turns out that before she lost her [TS]

  memory there was a human heart that was [TS]

  sent to her in a package and she [TS]

  basically opened it and with who and [TS]

  send it down to the lab and right by [TS]

  wright at the end like like ninety [TS]

  percent plus through the book for kindle [TS]

  listeners out there kindle readers in a [TS]

  got a naked guy is in her office and [TS]

  this is the thing that made me laugh out [TS]

  loud he says I'm sorry i don't think [TS]

  i've explained well enough i have grown [TS]

  myself from the heart in your scientist [TS]

  laboratory freezer so this guy in order [TS]

  to get out of the grafters in order to [TS]

  come and talk to the chick a has has [TS]

  literally like taking his heart and mail [TS]

  and like FedEx it to England knowing [TS]

  that they'll just put it on ice [TS]

  somewhere and he'll grow out of his [TS]

  heart it's crazy and funny and i love [TS]

  that I love that the Belgians are you [TS]

  know are cutting out there are options [TS]

  include the Belgian since it's a [TS]

  traditional village there that's what [TS]

  they do they cut their heart out and [TS]

  then grow out of it like being invaded [TS]

  by liechtenstein nobody sees it coming [TS]

  better chocolate [TS]

  yes yeah and then and then I guess the [TS]

  other thing that I'll say now that I [TS]

  found out the spoiler horn that made me [TS]

  laugh out loud ism is when it's the [TS]

  reveal that there's an extra gestalt [TS]

  which I kept thinking I kept thinking [TS]

  it's possible you know if they've got [TS]

  four gestalt bodies that there could [TS]

  easily be another one because they're [TS]

  like they they captured two of them and [TS]

  they've got them in in Chains and she [TS]

  touches one of the gestalt and and [TS]

  suddenly can see out of not just one but [TS]

  all of their their their neural networks [TS]

  they're there they're all their senses [TS]

  and and there's a it's great because [TS]

  it's like this person's and chains and [TS]

  this persons on the run and this [TS]

  person's in Chains and this persons on [TS]

  the run and there's this other person [TS]

  looking at somebody like what what what [TS]

  the fifth it's so great [TS]

  also it's so it's also really really [TS]

  creepy it's like to kiss if really [TS]

  creepy when you find out who the fifth [TS]

  person is it's so great just a fun and I [TS]

  i laughed out loud i laughed out loud [TS]

  for minutes I had to explain to my [TS]

  family why I was laughing out loud [TS]

  because it was so clever and perfect [TS]

  right it wasn't it didn't feel like a [TS]

  ripoff and I again I keep saying that [TS]

  this is a book that could so easily have [TS]

  have taken these like ridiculous kind of [TS]

  twist twist for no reason other than to [TS]

  be a twist and instead it plays fair [TS]

  throughout and and earned it [TS]

  yeah I also liked like you said the the [TS]

  fake out the Americans right that didn't [TS]

  end up being a fake-out I think that's [TS]

  nice what's tricky about the amnesia [TS]

  thing especially in a case where she [TS]

  thinks like you know she's paranoid that [TS]

  everybody let's get her because someone [TS]

  clearly was out to get her and effect [TS]

  you know to a certain extent got her was [TS]

  well who do you trust right how do you [TS]

  have this character have meaningful [TS]

  relationships with people when anybody [TS]

  could be betraying her and I think he [TS]

  doesn't you know he started handles that [TS]

  fairly well which is you know at a [TS]

  certain point she realizes if I don't [TS]

  trust anybody i'm not going to get [TS]

  anything done so i have to you know just [TS]

  sort of make a judgment at some point as [TS]

  to whether or not I'm going to trust [TS]

  certain people and and there are some [TS]

  nice secondary characters coming and i [TS]

  absolutely loved her assistant Ingrid [TS]

  right because she's another sort of a [TS]

  minor character who I kind of picture [TS]

  looking like a like Leo secretary market [TS]

  from Margaret thats why i think but like [TS]

  was utterly unflappable and then [TS]

  undesirable right and then but then [TS]

  become sort of her confidant and also [TS]

  you know knows pretty early rate realize [TS]

  is pretty early on that it's not [TS]

  actually her but I sort of roles with it [TS]

  and just to see what's going to happen [TS]

  and so I like to their relationship a [TS]

  lot and it was nice to have a you know [TS]

  something where did you know she needs [TS]

  to have the ability to talk to other [TS]

  characters without being guarded and [TS]

  completely by call what are they trying [TS]

  to get information out of me too i need [TS]

  to be trying to get information on them [TS]

  so we get that nice rapport with her [TS]

  assistant we get a nice one with her and [TS]

  the American [TS]

  a bishop right right so the two of them [TS]

  you know who end up making kind of a [TS]

  kick-ass team i really enjoyed their [TS]

  relationship the one note that I thought [TS]

  struck kind of weird but i think looking [TS]

  back was probably one of those things [TS]

  where it's like this is great i wonder [TS]

  how we can spin it into more books was [TS]

  that they have her they have our sister [TS]

  come in right like she doesn't know her [TS]

  family she's not only just because she's [TS]

  amnesiac but because she was taken from [TS]

  her family from a very young age and [TS]

  raised by the UK and so we have her [TS]

  sister pop up out of nowhere and of [TS]

  course your initial thought is well this [TS]

  is going to be like a trap right [TS]

  president clearly but in fact that ends [TS]

  up being your sister and they start like [TS]

  oh I'm gonna reconnect with my sister [TS]

  and I'm gonna learn a lot about you know [TS]

  like all the family that I left behind [TS]

  everything and it felt kind of weird at [TS]

  the moment it came up especially because [TS]

  it come up like like like half of [TS]

  chapter after she's like oh it turns out [TS]

  i have a family or yeah like that [TS]

  yeah that's pretty quick yeah so that [TS]

  was the one that was the the only [TS]

  misstep I really got annoyed with in the [TS]

  book was like it seems a bit [TS]

  it seems a bit convenient for that plot [TS]

  point to come in there and also that [TS]

  plot point well it does intertwined a [TS]

  little bit like towards the end of the [TS]

  book is to a certain extent superfluous [TS]

  but it comes in two color out her [TS]

  character a little bit so i think i [TS]

  think one of the biggest potential flaws [TS]

  of this book is that throughout the book [TS]

  we alternate between the action and the [TS]

  letters that the original Matheny has [TS]

  written to her successor and at the [TS]

  beginning you sort of read them and you [TS]

  realize you're reading them as she's [TS]

  reading them right she writes a letter [TS]

  in their inner its energy jacket pocket [TS]

  that says you should go to the bank and [TS]

  she goes to the bank and people trying [TS]

  to kill her and she stops them and then [TS]

  she opens up the safe-deposit box and [TS]

  get another letter and she goes back to [TS]

  her flat and there are there are more [TS]

  letters there and more more [TS]

  documentation and that's fine but what [TS]

  happens as you go is should end and [TS]

  though the writer doesn't deal with this [TS]

  and actually i think in the end that's [TS]

  why it works is I kept thinking you know [TS]

  you're not seriously saying that she's [TS]

  reading these letters in the intervening [TS]

  time [TS]

  because that would be kind of ridiculous [TS]

  presumably she read all the letters at [TS]

  the beginning and I think that's what [TS]

  happens is that is that we're seeing the [TS]

  rest of the material that she left as [TS]

  the story goes on sort of when it's [TS]

  relevant because because that could have [TS]

  been a real I i was i was worried again [TS]

  that this was gonna be kind of a rip off [TS]

  where we were going to see the plot [TS]

  twists in a letter and that was going to [TS]

  be the moment where she realized that [TS]

  the letter was trying to tell her [TS]

  something when in reality if you were in [TS]

  this situation as we all are at some [TS]

  point when you're in md she act with [TS]

  superpowers who's put into a secret [TS]

  organization in England it happens or as [TS]

  i call it thursday [TS]

  yeah you read all the documentation [TS]

  right you'd read all the letters [TS]

  immediately and I i assume that she did [TS]

  that and then it just sort of plays out [TS]

  over time because they're a couple [TS]

  places where there's like a secret [TS]

  that's revealed that she discovers that [TS]

  there's this this conspiracy happening [TS]

  and there's this other school where [TS]

  their training super-powered kids and I [TS]

  kept thinking you know you really ought [TS]

  not to make this that the suit that this [TS]

  is a revelation and they didn't i'm [TS]

  actually again an example where he plays [TS]

  fair it it I was worried that the [TS]

  letters aspect of this was going to [TS]

  become kind of a rip off where we were [TS]

  where facts withheld from us and the way [TS]

  Metheny behaves she knows about what the [TS]

  letters say even though we don't and so [TS]

  in the end it it it ends up plan fair i [TS]

  think even there because that was that [TS]

  was where I was really worried it was [TS]

  going to go off the rails as the letters [TS]

  were going to be withholding information [TS]

  not just from us but from the main [TS]

  character and that didn't happen only [TS]

  read this letter after you read letter [TS]

  yeah that's right choose your own letter [TS]

  adventure read only when your book goes [TS]

  to eighty-five percent then open the [TS]

  land only then dan I found that set that [TS]

  passage that you liked by the way [TS]

  according to according to Thomas the [TS]

  city and once been this is bath once [TS]

  been a veritable hotbed of [TS]

  manifestations with every sorcerer [TS]

  Bunyip column goblin picked pixie demon [TS]

  thylacine Gorgon more on colts come [TS]

  mummy run me broke Sphinx minx muse [TS]

  flatulent diva reefer Weaver Reaper [TS]

  scatter scab mendler dwarf midget little [TS]

  person leprechaun marsh-wiggle toad [TS]

  soothsayer Truthsayer hatter happy fat [TS]

  nur in pan where Mothman shamon lucban [TS]

  warlock Morlock poltergeist zeitgeist [TS]

  elemental Banshee Banshee lycanthrope [TS]

  lycanthrope li CH and haha its upon [TS]

  sprite white off waiter harpy silky [TS]

  kelpie klepto Specter mutant cyborg [TS]

  Balrog troll ogre cat and shoes dog in a [TS]

  hat psychic and psychotic seemingly [TS]

  having decided that this was the hot [TS]

  spot to visit that I i just i love the [TS]

  idea that you know that someday got to [TS]

  sit down and just go [TS]

  I'm just gonna free associate with [TS]

  everyone could pick up that that fits [TS]

  under this category so like a [TS]

  lycanthrope this the moon comes out and [TS]

  you turn into something a lycanthrope [TS]

  you hi hike on a mountain and you see [TS]

  some lichen and then you turn into a [TS]

  something to into mosques you think [TS]

  Tomas Tomas where moss lomas yeah anyway [TS]

  so so presumably there's going to be a [TS]

  sequel i think that the author talked at [TS]

  some point that there's going to be a [TS]

  sequel isn't this just have the sense of [TS]

  a series to it but it's a new series so [TS]

  if you want to get on board now you know [TS]

  I you know we all we all liked it's it's [TS]

  a lot it's a lot of fun if you like a [TS]

  it's kind of a you know I guess it's [TS]

  fantasy it's fantasy in the way that [TS]

  superheroes or fantasy it's the [TS]

  supernatural superhero kind of thing I [TS]

  mean if false morel little bit of [TS]

  trouble with what we call them out urban [TS]

  fantasy sort of but it's also it does [TS]

  viewer more into the yeah it's not quite [TS]

  superhero but it's close it's great [TS]

  because it's got that supernatural [TS]

  yeah I want to it just has a little [TS]

  touch like you you know Torchwood meets [TS]

  the x-men is what kind of I felt because [TS]

  the x-men is that whole you know they [TS]

  find the people with powers they put [TS]

  them in the Academy and they learn how [TS]

  to use their powers and it's and then [TS]

  they put them in service to this [TS]

  organization so let ya little bit harry [TS]

  potter like when you put it like that [TS]

  little bit accept all grown up [TS]

  yeah I remind me of another one of the [TS]

  series i think i recommended on earlier [TS]

  podcast the Felix caster series by Mike [TS]

  Carey which is also set in London and is [TS]

  also sort of supernatural fantasy though [TS]

  that one is a little more like it's more [TS]

  of a new are where its there's a [TS]

  character who is a freelance exorcist [TS]

  and it's it's doesn't have the big [TS]

  organization but not everything whether [TS]

  there's a [TS]

  another series that i have read by Simon [TS]

  are green who is one of the authors that [TS]

  i read even though he is not a good [TS]

  writer [TS]

  I and that's a ringing endorsement when [TS]

  he is very good at writing really fun [TS]

  stories but his writing does not live up [TS]

  to his imagination it is the secret [TS]

  histories series follows this character [TS]

  called Eddie drood who is a member of a [TS]

  family called the Druids who have this [TS]

  magical torque that makes that they can [TS]

  make armor cum all over them and they [TS]

  are basically invisible and they are [TS]

  Earth's protectors against all [TS]

  supernatural yes so this was this was [TS]

  this was great i'm glad you recommended [TS]

  Scott I think Dan's glad you recommended [TS]

  to yes i do I i get off wholehearted [TS]

  thumbs up [TS]

  all right get it a heart stickers of [TS]

  thumb top are cut off from melee to [TS]

  somebody melted me don't mail it to [TS]

  anybody [TS]

  don't male body parts is I've learned [TS]

  this scott will put it in the freezer [TS]

  his wife will put it in a kid our age [TS]

  are true and then your body clone will [TS]

  grow from it true little sugar amazing a [TS]

  Pew [TS]

  that's how it works here in magic land [TS]

  tuned check a land [TS]

  well I'm glad that you both enjoyed it [TS]

  yeah a little don't let us down with [TS]

  your next recommendations on something a [TS]

  scholar thin ice here the pressure is on [TS]

  yeah the way the pressure should be off [TS]

  because you just successfully [TS]

  recommended a thing [TS]

  well I have to live up to that [TS]

  recommendation I guess we're not poor [TS]

  force that I so I think it's time for me [TS]

  to ask that other famous question that i [TS]

  like to ask the book club which is what [TS]

  doctor who already know that's a [TS]

  different question entirely doctor who [TS]

  know what are you reading reading scott [TS]

  what are you would what books about [TS]

  something like seven books right now [TS]

  right [TS]

  i I'm only reading one book right now or [TS]

  what have you read recently I suppose [TS]

  that I would like to talk about and [TS]

  recommend if you want to be all specific [TS]

  about it I know Scott that you just [TS]

  wrote a blog post about your [TS]

  best book you read in January it's true [TS]

  and it's all good i just read too so [TS]

  it's also what i am reading I was going [TS]

  to suggest perhaps it could be a future [TS]

  episode because i know a Lexington right [TS]

  exactly [TS]

  Lex Lex has read it so i guess we [TS]

  shouldn't talk about Peter Heller's the [TS]

  dark the dogstars other than to [TS]

  recommend that people read it I liked it [TS]

  I liked to this but I didn't like it as [TS]

  much as the rook [TS]

  oh and and and your your blog post about [TS]

  it i thought was telling too because it [TS]

  is a post-apocalyptic story and it [TS]

  reminded me a little bit of the road and [TS]

  it's like the sunny lite version of the [TS]

  road and read it it sort of pales in [TS]

  comparison it's unfair in some ways to [TS]

  compare to the road but but it is as [TS]

  opposed to apocalyptic story with a [TS]

  little bit more kind of humanity and [TS]

  slight optimism about what would happen [TS]

  in an apocalypse than the road which is [TS]

  everybody will die and that will be the [TS]

  end but unfortunately for the dogstars [TS]

  the road is just spectacular even though [TS]

  it is completely depressing [TS]

  yes where's the dog star is kind of [TS]

  depressing but it's not like soul [TS]

  crushingly depressing there's a little [TS]

  hope but it's also not as well written [TS]

  so when you compare it to the road it [TS]

  just kind of falls flat but uh if you [TS]

  don't compare to the road it's pretty [TS]

  good i agree it's that it'sit's if that [TS]

  was the road this is like the runway [TS]

  haha sidewalk because nobody the runway [TS]

  because he's a private piece of pilot he [TS]

  has a little air land and flies around [TS]

  ya doing stuff [TS]

  yeah and it starts out very much more [TS]

  like the road that sort of sad and [TS]

  depressing and then he has a little [TS]

  journey and learns things and grows as a [TS]

  person and yes and other people grow [TS]

  yeah well also shooting people who get [TS]

  2,000 that's that sounds really good [TS]

  it is the post pilot yeah ah let's see [TS]

  what else i read i read a bunch of books [TS]

  in january i read a leaf the unseen [TS]

  which is a good book probably the second [TS]

  best book I read that month i've read [TS]

  what else am i right [TS]

  I i read so here's another kind of Books [TS]

  series of books that aren't really well [TS]

  written but they're fun [TS]

  the iron druid series which is another [TS]

  urban fantasy it follows this the last [TS]

  druid who lives in tempe arizona and he [TS]

  does all kinds of wacky stuff and is [TS]

  goes around killing gods and making [TS]

  trouble and the hijinks ensue [TS]

  I got to be that wager it right now so I [TS]

  really help with those books and this [TS]

  month i read a PDF Hamilton's latest 950 [TS]

  page book the great north road which [TS]

  starts off with the murder mystery and [TS]

  ends up really kind of not well you kind [TS]

  of expect what's going to happen but [TS]

  it's very complicated and if I if you [TS]

  read any of Peter F Hamilton books he [TS]

  used he has like 200 characters and [TS]

  they're all kind of important and he's [TS]

  obsessed with portals that go to [TS]

  different planets [TS]

  so there are like five different planet [TS]

  certain are involved in this is really [TS]

  weird alien species and this [TS]

  organization has been designed to [TS]

  protect Earth against the species it's [TS]

  it's a very complicated but a good right [TS]

  dan what are you reading well I've been [TS]

  I haven't finished nearly as much as [TS]

  Scott has come no one has i know i'm on [TS]

  CW know what I used to read really fast [TS]

  and I think my problem is I probably [TS]

  said before is I just don't feel like I [TS]

  have as much time to read so I need that [TS]

  I need to make more time to read is what [TS]

  i need to do this year will be faster or [TS]

  read faster maybe I should diagonally [TS]

  gotta go [TS]

  yeah I finished earlier in january i [TS]

  finished the wind through the keyhole [TS]

  which is the new Stephen King darktower [TS]

  book which i like that was pretty good [TS]

  maybe not my favorite of all the dark [TS]

  tower books but I put it squarely in the [TS]

  middle it's got some it's also a story [TS]

  inside a story inside a story which he i [TS]

  think he likes to do now [TS]

  and so there's you know a couple [TS]

  different layers and serve at the heart [TS]

  of the nub of the story in the middle is [TS]

  a fairy tale which is actually kind of [TS]

  cool because it's set in this universe [TS]

  so I like that a lot night I do like the [TS]

  dark tower series overall it's one of my [TS]

  favorite series of books and someday [TS]

  we'll have a comfortable discussing [TS]

  extended today we're really likes it [TS]

  in addition to that over the brook which [TS]

  maybe you guys heard of drama [TS]

  it was pretty good lately [TS]

  no I i'm currently in two things one is [TS]

  I think Jason you agree mr. but I mean [TS]

  the human division by slc yes is [TS]

  episodic version he's episodically [TS]

  releasing parts of his book set in the [TS]

  old man's war universe you're calling [TS]

  every everything episodic tonight's all [TS]

  absolutely everything just everything is [TS]

  coming up as I don't you buy episode is [TS]

  the word of the day but its weekly [TS]

  installments for ninety-nine cents and [TS]

  there like 15 of them are 14 of them and [TS]

  it's us it's essentially just took a [TS]

  sci-fi novel and every chapter has [TS]

  gotten carved up into these mega bytes [TS]

  and bits so you can only read it at the [TS]

  pace of 1a week which is kind of fun [TS]

  right and they're also they stand alone [TS]

  but they also there's an arc right it's [TS]

  like a TV show right like you're reading [TS]

  an episode a week and there's work going [TS]

  on in the background where there's [TS]

  there's something larger going on here [TS]

  but each episode is more or less [TS]

  self-contained yeah I don't know if it [TS]

  feels to be like it's just a novel but [TS]

  it's been cuddling pieces it will [TS]

  because know kind of like a TV show we [TS]

  would have the adventures of the crew of [TS]

  that one chip and that that one team [TS]

  every week along with some other bits [TS]

  and it's not like there's well it jumps [TS]

  around there are local two of the four [TS]

  installments have not featured them at [TS]

  all [TS]

  well unless yet did you do you read also [TS]

  the the sort of episodes 0 i don't know [TS]

  if you read that there's there's a no [TS]

  yeah yeah which also does with the [TS]

  characters which also deals your [TS]

  characters from the Clark so there's [TS]

  kind of interludes basically it seems [TS]

  like we're every other episode roughly [TS]

  deals with our main characters and then [TS]

  the other ones are ya things that are [TS]

  tangential to the plot yeah but that [TS]

  makes me think that you wouldn't do that [TS]

  on TV show so it feels it feels a little [TS]

  more like it's just another thread into [TS]

  bits but it's it's a fun experiment and [TS]

  the cost of what they're gonna charge [TS]

  for the fully booked at the end is no [TS]

  more than the cost of reading a new [TS]

  installment every tuesday and it's kind [TS]

  of a fun it's not like the green mile [TS]

  its but it's like that and they're [TS]

  slowly you can you can knock them off [TS]

  and you know less than an hour because [TS]

  they're not that long [TS]

  no they're yeah they're short but the [TS]

  farm right and they're fun and I like [TS]

  that universe i really enjoyed and said [TS]

  in the the old man's war universe which [TS]

  is a great universe and so avenue I've [TS]

  been enjoying that although i think i'm [TS]

  behind one or two and I've also been [TS]

  reading the sequel to a book that I know [TS]

  Scott is also red which is i'm reading [TS]

  my kohls fortress Frontier which is the [TS]

  sequel to his book control point which I [TS]

  know we both read and I think [TS]

  recommended last year [TS]

  yes and so I'm enjoying that and then [TS]

  didn't it is an interesting departure [TS]

  I'm entirely finished I think I'm like [TS]

  eighty ninety percent down though it's [TS]

  an interesting departure in that it so [TS]

  far there's a it deals with a separate [TS]

  main character from the first book the [TS]

  the protagonist in the first book and [TS]

  appears in some of the earlier chapters [TS]

  but his story is again sort of [TS]

  intertwined with this new character [TS]

  which I'm i'm enjoying I ate it delves [TS]

  more into this parallel world called the [TS]

  source which is basically this where all [TS]

  the you know they're strange magical [TS]

  creatures and stuff but it follows the [TS]

  adventures of the American army and it's [TS]

  you know division of wizards basically [TS]

  who are in suckiness in this plane and i [TS]

  use it you know he's a what makes it [TS]

  what makes it interesting to read is [TS]

  that this is all you available all the [TS]

  characters are more on you know in the [TS]

  military and he's a Coast Guard [TS]

  reservist so he clearly knows what he's [TS]

  talking about and so I think that the [TS]

  verisimilitude aspect comes off really [TS]

  well and I think he's pretty sure i [TS]

  really enjoy his stuff it's it's fun [TS]

  it's kinda it's pretty light but it's [TS]

  more than the page turn around men in [TS]

  the you know heavy literature realm but [TS]

  I give it a thumbs up so far i will have [TS]

  to see how to last you know 10 15 [TS]

  percent of it goes i seem to recall that [TS]

  damn on Twitter taunted me and said that [TS]

  he would finish this book before I did [TS]

  and in fact i'm done with it failed burn [TS]

  you fail I fail so I found the the new [TS]

  character in a second but much more [TS]

  interesting than the main character of [TS]

  the last book so huh experiment more [TS]

  compelling that he has a little bit more [TS]

  of an arc going on in that the first [TS]

  book is set up more like this guy is a [TS]

  fugitive essentially through reasons [TS]

  that are kind of confusing but the [TS]

  second this one deals with a guy who is [TS]

  basically a and not once not dissimilar [TS]

  to the brook is a bureaucrat who is [TS]

  forced to do some decidedly not [TS]

  bureaucratic things huh [TS]

  and it rises to the occasion or does he [TS]

  pay somebody reading i have also i read [TS]

  the dog stars which we just talked about [TS]

  but aren't going to talk about further [TS]

  my talk about that later I also i'm [TS]

  reading the human division by john [TS]

  scalzi which we are in the middle of [TS]

  then we talked about already so i'm [TS]

  going to make people who like certain [TS]

  series sad i read i read stormfront [TS]

  which is the harry dresden first harry [TS]

  dresden book i know that a lot of fans [TS]

  and Harry dressed and novels out there i [TS]

  found it kind of mediocre oh there I [TS]

  know there were parts of it was not a [TS]

  bad kind of story but the writing the [TS]

  actual writing was kind of blame and I [TS]

  don't know it didn't I i haven't bought [TS]

  a second 1i guess that's you know we [TS]

  have to read the good one [TS]

  I'm sure Harry Dresden fans will say yes [TS]

  the fourth one is really good i haven't [TS]

  read any of them but I know that Jason [TS]

  tachi who occasionally appears on the [TS]

  spot yes had to basically have that same [TS]

  reaction was like I read the first 1i [TS]

  like wizards and stuff so I thought it [TS]

  might be kind of cool and then I just [TS]

  like couldn't stop reading them because [TS]

  you get like I've got like an hour-long [TS]

  hour-and-a-half kind i just need [TS]

  something to read is like they improve [TS]

  as they go along and laugh but it may [TS]

  not again I don't know it's one of those [TS]

  things were you know [TS]

  yeah how much time do you think it's [TS]

  serious but I guess if you go through [TS]

  books like Scott does and you can afford [TS]

  to read the entire yeah it was it was [TS]

  kinda it was kind of fun yes you can in [TS]

  the chat room and saying oh the series [TS]

  improved a lot three times am i doing [TS]

  better i do it um I also read the i want [TS]

  to say third thursday next book which is [TS]

  the well of lost plots and by jasper [TS]

  fforde and I got about a hundred and [TS]

  fifty pages into that and I said I give [TS]

  up [TS]

  wow yeah wow I don't remember what [TS]

  happens in that one [TS]

  well what happens now nothing happens in [TS]

  that one she's pregnant and she's [TS]

  hanging out in an unpublished novel for [TS]

  a long time [TS]

  well you know that happens does most yes [TS]

  got my gonna have to I I don't know I've [TS]

  read all those books I know Scott has to [TS]

  Iran lost in a good book and I i I'm [TS]

  wondering if maybe the deal with just [TS]

  four days it just takes me some time to [TS]

  get into them because lost in a good [TS]

  book that I felt like the first hundred [TS]

  and fifty two hundred pages whereas log [TS]

  and then the last half of the book was [TS]

  great and I read it through when I [TS]

  thought it was fine i thought let's go [TS]

  to the next [TS]

  and then the next one I'm back in this [TS]

  log again so i don't know i don't know [TS]

  i'm trying jasper fforde might get it [TS]

  back that was a library book so i can [TS]

  just get it back [TS]

  I felt like the library deserve to have [TS]

  it back because I was doing I was [TS]

  feeling bad about it but maybe I'll have [TS]

  it back [TS]

  I've never had that experience I it's [TS]

  always been super quick reads for being [TS]

  an interesting i can understand how [TS]

  people could not like Justin yeah I [TS]

  think he's very he's got a very distinct [TS]

  style and a very distinct tone I mean he [TS]

  reminds me of pratchett and Tara [TS]

  pressure in douglas adams a bit in his [TS]

  yeah humor but I can understand that [TS]

  those are I can't stand those aren't [TS]

  everybody's cup of tea either so I think [TS]

  just before kind of borders on being a [TS]

  little too precious [TS]

  if you wanna be ya know a little too [TS]

  clever [TS]

  yeah and for some people it can just go [TS]

  over that edge and then you're just not [TS]

  interested yeah I I'm on the fence about [TS]

  him i guess but but i might go back to [TS]

  it just tell us tell us what else you [TS]

  hate Jason crush ass cross-shot you know [TS]

  so those those are the two series that [TS]

  I've made people angry or they're going [TS]

  to tell me that other books are better [TS]

  but the other book that i'm going to [TS]

  mention here which is not a novel at all [TS]

  but i want to give it a plug because [TS]

  it's a book that i've been reading is a [TS]

  book called the Hall of nearly great and [TS]

  it was a Kickstarter but i believe it's [TS]

  available you can go to haul of nearly [TS]

  great calm it's a collection of essays [TS]

  headed by the it's a couple of baseball [TS]

  writers and the Hall of nearly great is [TS]

  a series of essays about baseball [TS]

  players who were really good but not [TS]

  great and not in the Hall of Fame so [TS]

  it's it's it's this celebration of not [TS]

  just the players themselves but of said [TS]

  they're just that there's some really [TS]

  great writing there there's a there's an [TS]

  essay about dogmatically that is about [TS]

  the it's really about how terrible human [TS]

  being George Steinbrenner was and it's I [TS]

  had no idea just how terrible [TS]

  George Steinbrenner was there there's a [TS]

  fantastic essay about [TS]

  oh god I can't even remember there's [TS]

  there's a [TS]

  is it norm cash yet norm cash by a guy [TS]

  named matthew Corey and you may not care [TS]

  anything about Detroit Tigers player [TS]

  norm cash but it is this it is such a [TS]

  funny just incredibly hilarious [TS]

  SI so so if you're a baseball fan i [TS]

  really recommend that you seek out the [TS]

  Hall of nearly great it is surprised me [TS]

  because i bought a kind of on a lark as [TS]

  a part of this kickstarter project and [TS]

  it turns out that every one of these [TS]

  essays which are by you know [TS]

  professional writers in some fields or [TS]

  another are actually they can be funny [TS]

  they can be heartwarming that can be [TS]

  bizarre but they're all really good [TS]

  little little sis so baseball fans check [TS]

  it out it's a secret little thing so [TS]

  I've been enjoying that in pieces [TS]

  because they're like 20 SI so you read a [TS]

  couple and then you move on so Hall of [TS]

  nearly great [TS]

  that's it that's what I've been reading [TS]

  then that's a pretty good the rook the [TS]

  Rick was good but we mentioned that feel [TS]

  like we've already covered the rook you [TS]

  should really give the dress and files [TS]

  another chance I that's what the chat [TS]

  room tells me other books are much [TS]

  better i have that bad what happened [TS]

  with harry potter with me I hated the [TS]

  first book of everyone's like oh you [TS]

  can't stop the first book because it [TS]

  gets really good at the third book and I [TS]

  don't like the first book [TS]

  why am I going to read two more books [TS]

  yeah that's the 8th is the tough part [TS]

  with with series right you know because [TS]

  i do think there are there are series [TS]

  that you can build to something but it [TS]

  is really hard to sell that if you're if [TS]

  the first book doesn't really when you [TS]

  overwrite yeah you gotta entertain me [TS]

  now I I'm not you know the fu ripped off [TS]

  if i read a whole book and I get to the [TS]

  evidence to be continued know but the [TS]

  second book is really good right now [TS]

  it's like it's like if you wanted two [TS]

  history classes I kind of the Romans are [TS]

  really boring no but wait wait until the [TS]

  pot the Empire follow it for it's gonna [TS]

  be good [TS]

  it's gonna be so good so good to just [TS]

  give you like to 3,000 years which we [TS]

  read next [TS]

  i guess.i guess we should we should talk [TS]

  about the dogstars next maybe the eyes [TS]

  that seems like low-hanging fruit that [TS]

  seems yeah so so people should go on and [TS]

  read that and read the book if you [TS]

  haven't because we really liked it [TS]

  true but you should read the dogstars [TS]

  before if you haven't read the road [TS]

  already read dogs first because then [TS]

  you'll enjoy ya [TS]

  then read the road and then read the [TS]

  road and you'll be like whoa that's [TS]

  crazy and depressing and I'm gonna kill [TS]

  myself now but it was great so just to [TS]

  read the dogstars first because after [TS]

  you read the book you want to read [TS]

  anything ever exactly and read the rook [TS]

  rook never read the book that's the it [TS]

  won't depress you at all yeah that one [TS]

  and then that will bring you back up [TS]

  right now is that laughs you won't cry [TS]

  no you won't cry or laugh because they [TS]

  laugh a lot yeah just say what are they [TS]

  putting in the water in Australia [TS]

  yeah greatness greatness is in the water [TS]

  what are they putting in me plane crash [TS]

  planes in the water and the hands the [TS]

  author of the book has to write a press [TS]

  release about pressure exactly and [TS]

  that's how it works in Australia it's [TS]

  amazing what a country well because yes [TS]

  that's not how they speak in Australia [TS]

  Scott but things never he doesn't [TS]

  actually know with anyway so we've come [TS]

  to the end of this book club and this [TS]

  was great and I i want i once again i'm [TS]

  grateful to Scott melty because he read [TS]

  all the books and then tell us which [TS]

  books to read and he was right again I [TS]

  have a pretty good batting average so [TS]

  far you do i'm trying to pretend like I [TS]

  know sports [TS]

  yeah that's good excellent work hard [TS]

  pollen really great you can get ready [TS]

  you really you really score a lot of [TS]

  goals Scott yeah with your badge down [TS]

  whoo yeah whoo so I'd like to thank my [TS]

  fellow compatriots here in this book [TS]

  club Dan Morgan thank you very much for [TS]

  joining us and for reading the book my [TS]

  pleasure i'll all the way through now i [TS]

  will now not read the next four books [TS]

  just to just understand sorry no you got [TS]

  to get back into you just said on the [TS]

  podcast you gotta read more books [TS]

  you can't hold me to everything I've [TS]

  ever said on this is true just you know [TS]

  books they're not that [TS]

  yeah I'm you there readable I do really [TS]

  love books I'm sorry and I'm i don't [TS]

  know i have cheated I cheated on the [TS]

  television too much as well how do i [TS]

  know i've fallen prey to them it's the [TS]

  most American of past yeah that's true [TS]

  and of course Scott McNulty thank you as [TS]

  always for controlling everything we do [TS]

  here you are all my puppets [TS]

  yeah yay you like but we're happy [TS]

  puppets because damn only dance because [TS]

  we're afraid we don't dance we only read [TS]

  books for you with book reading [TS]

  puppets read faster all right yes sir [TS]

  yes sir master with a lot of books [TS]

  together [TS]

  alright thanks to everybody out there [TS]

  who is reading and of course as always [TS]

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  it's okay forgive us we love you [TS]

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