The Accidental Tech Podcast

◼   ► source of excitement for you like like

◼   ► what like when I kind of fell out of

◼   ► love with BMW that was easy for me

◼   ► because now I'm now I'm a big fan of

◼   ► Tesla and so like it just kind of got

◼   ► replaced the reason the Apple stuff bugs

◼   ► me so much is that like I haven't

◼   ► replaced that yet in my life and I don't

◼   ► really know what will replace it

◼   ► replaced it with video games yeah you

◼   ► love video games now more than you have

◼   ► in a long time that's replacing your

◼   ► Apple of I mean I love yeah I love a few

◼   ► video games I would hardly call it like

◼   ► a cat you just said that this which is

◼   ► like the best gaming thing you've had

◼   ► since like your childhood yes you know

◼   ► Sega so I think that's that's pretty

◼   ► high praise and the grand scheme of

◼   ► things that you have loved in your life

◼   ► and that video games may say if the next

◼   ► Nintendo thing is like that doesn't

◼   ► appeal to you or doesn't have good games

◼   ► and then you'll be all excited about

◼   ► your new Jaguar ipace I would probably

◼   ► like no matter how good or appealing it

◼   ► was I don't think I would ever actually

◼   ► buy a car from that brand because I just

◼   ► never want to have to say it to people

◼   ► you know you don't have to say Jaguar

◼   ► you can just say Jaguar you can say

◼   ► Jaguar like Steve Jobs oh god no I mean

◼   ► it but the problem is like no matter at

◼   ► first of all it's kind of like like a

◼   ► brand right no it's I mean they both are

◼   ► to some degree like it is it is it is

◼   ► snootier sounding but I think if you had

◼   ► to picture the kind of person who drives

◼   ► a Jaguar and the kind of person who

◼   ► drives a BMW and you're gonna sign

◼   ► you're gonna put a label underneath one

◼   ► of them it's definitely going either

◼   ► brand if you if somebody asks you like

◼   ► out like it out loud in a roomful of

◼   ► other people who are being kind of quiet

◼   ► hey what brand is your car like if you

◼   ► have a BMW you you want to say that a

◼   ► little bit quietly if I had a Jag I'd be

◼   ► I'd like I would just be like I don't

◼   ► have a car like I think the Jaguar

◼   ► product of managers you know marketing

◼   ► managers would love to hear you say that

◼   ► because that's the image they want they

◼   ► want it to be like snooty and

◼   ► highfalutin but realistically speaking

◼   ► these days I don't think it is I think

◼   ► jag would just love to be included in

◼   ► the same buying decision it's Lexus let

◼   ► alone BMW Mercedes oh yeah they're

◼   ► totally irrelevant but the other factor

◼   ► is like I just don't want to hear

◼   ► everyone

◼   ► me how to pronounce it well then never

◼   ► get a Porsche either I was about I was

◼   ► thinking the same thing I said I'm like

◼   ► you know yeah that would also apply to

◼   ► that brand which I'm also not even try

◼   ► to say here because I'm not gonna say it

◼   ► right now I don't care

◼   ► it's anyway I don't want a I don't want

◼   ► a stinger but yeah I think you hit the

◼   ► nail on the head Marco about part of the

◼   ► reason why I'm bummed about BMW not

◼   ► really revving my engine anymore is that

◼   ► I haven't figured out what's replaced

◼   ► replacing it like there's a part of me

◼   ► that's enthusiastic about getting a

◼   ► Wrangler and I'm not trying to open that

◼   ► can of worms but I I don't know that

◼   ► that's really gonna replace that love

◼   ► because there was a stretch of time

◼   ► that every time I got in my car I was

◼   ► just thrilled and excited to be sitting

◼   ► in that chair and now it's it's not an

◼   ► appliance but it's closer to an

◼   ► appliance than then something that gives

◼   ► me pleasure and that's really

◼   ► unfortunate and I don't think I don't

◼   ► think I would view a Jeep in quite the

◼   ► same way as I did the BMW circa 2013

◼   ► that just bums me out like I wish I had

◼   ► something to replace that that kind of

◼   ► joy in my life and and and you know

◼   ► maybe I will but not to maybe it'll be

◼   ► your family

◼   ► nah no what can replace this joy says

◼   ► the person who just had a new child come

◼   ► on I gotta make me sound like such a

◼   ► jerk speaking of which like back in

◼   ► build and analyze I forget like when in

◼   ► the series it was but sometime during

◼   ► build and analyze I was talking back

◼   ► then about like you know possibly that

◼   ► was when I was like waffling over like

◼   ► what car to get and like after that

◼   ► after the first BMW I was what think

◼   ► about something fast and and Dan was

◼   ► talking about how like he used to care

◼   ► about fast cars and now he just got him

◼   ► he just got minivans and he was totally

◼   ► fun and he just kind of stopped caring

◼   ► about driving fast that's a lie because

◼   ► he eventually got like an Audi yeah

◼   ► there was an Audi so but but like but

◼   ► that's that like that sounded to me like

◼   ► it like that would never happen to me I

◼   ► could not fathom that that ever happened

◼   ► to me I would always care you know as

◼   ► much as I did then and I did care for a

◼   ► while like I went through some nice

◼   ► cars and my current car is fast but I I

◼   ► really do feel myself carrying a lot

◼   ► less over time like and like I'm not

◼   ► really like you know like taking that

◼   ► taking a little like a little turn

◼   ► that's down at the bottom of my street

◼   ► where I can kick it out a little bit

◼   ► when there's leaves down like I don't do

◼   ► that anymore like there's certain like

◼   ► you know highway ramp so I could go

◼   ► super fast before and I just kind of

◼   ► don't do that anymore either like I have

◼   ► even just like over the last like year

◼   ► I've felt myself like really chilling

◼   ► out a lot in that way where I like even

◼   ► even who there I was thinking like maybe

◼   ► on the next one I won't mind so much

◼   ► that now I'm now forced to get the smart

◼   ► air suspension which softens the ride

◼   ► that can sound kind of nice like I

◼   ► realize after I was thinking that I'm

◼   ► like oh my god Who am I

◼   ► but like you're Mercedes here we come

◼   ► yeah but like but I realizing like like

◼   ► you know my priorities have changed too

◼   ► like if I was buying a new car today I

◼   ► would still get a Tesla and I would

◼   ► still get this the you know a fast model

◼   ► but it's because I would want the the

◼   ► biggest range which is which is not the

◼   ► fastest model which is the decision I

◼   ► made with this one and I would make the

◼   ► exact same decision again like the speed

◼   ► of it is way less important to me than

◼   ► the range of it I like that it's fast I

◼   ► have fun with the speed sometimes but

◼   ► it's way less often that that's relevant

◼   ► to me than it used to be and you know

◼   ► for UKC like you know as we've mentioned

◼   ► in the past like you know being a car

◼   ► enthusiast is so much a part of your

◼   ► identity that you know and it need not

◼   ► be you know that's that's an option that

◼   ► you have yeah but but you know you you

◼   ► still you you have a lot of that love

◼   ► and you and some degree you probably

◼   ► always will but it's okay if if it comes

◼   ► to this if you realize this in your you

◼   ► know in introspection

◼   ► it's okay for your priorities to change

◼   ► or for like the the the significance

◼   ► that you apply to certain factors to be

◼   ► rearranged or to shift around and so

◼   ► like it's like you know you said like

◼   ► you know used to be you know you should

◼   ► be really like you know thrilled getting

◼   ► in your car and now it's more of a

◼   ► function and part of that is because

◼   ► you're you know you've had this car for

◼   ► a while so it's no longer as novel part

◼   ► of that is you kind of hate this car

◼   ► because

◼   ► cost you but you know par that's also

◼   ► like you are growing up you know you

◼   ► your your but what six seven years older

◼   ► now them then when you growing up he's

◼   ► in his mid-30s he's getting old you stop

◼   ► growing up we're always growing up you

◼   ► know you start getting older certain

◼   ► morning I think you okay yeah we are

◼   ► continuing to get old some of us older

◼   ► the busy living or get busy dying

◼   ► finally something you both get reference

◼   ► technology whatever it is like you know

◼   ► it's okay to change over time and to

◼   ► recognize that's what's happening and I

◼   ► agree with you the thing is I don't feel

◼   ► like I'm that different I agree that I

◼   ► am slightly different and the joy I get

◼   ► from Aaron's car is indication to me

◼   ► that I am feeling differently because

◼   ► Aaron's car feels to me anyway very

◼   ► cushy it has a lot of those techno bits

◼   ► that like your car has not exactly the

◼   ► same but like you know there's an app

◼   ► where I can start it remotely and I know

◼   ► you're like haha what's an engine but

◼   ► you get what I'm driving at and and I

◼   ► get a lot of pleasure from Aaron's car

◼   ► despite the fact that it's big it's slow

◼   ► it according to Jon tips over if you

◼   ► steer more than you know five degrees

◼   ► laterally but but it's in every way it's

◼   ► wrong from the list of things that Casey

◼   ► enjoys but I do like it and I think the

◼   ► thing that that the crisis I'm having is

◼   ► that I don't feel like I'm that

◼   ► different like well all I really want in

◼   ► the world is somebody that is not BMW to

◼   ► make me either a 340 sedan or an m3 and

◼   ► I don't think that really exists and

◼   ► there was a report I'm not gonna be able

◼   ► to find the link but a friend of mine

◼   ► Brad sent me a report some rumors that

◼   ► the 3-series is going to lose the stick

◼   ► in the next generation which isn't

◼   ► particularly surprising but is kind of

◼   ► devastating and I know I need to just

◼   ► wake up and smell reality that that the

◼   ► three pedal cars are not long for this

◼   ► world

◼   ► but I feel like I'm being this is a lot

◼   ► of words to say I feel like I'm being

◼   ► abandoned and BMW is supposed to help me

◼   ► and it sounds like they're abandoning me

◼   ► and either way

◼   ► grumpy about the fact that this cars

◼   ► cost me a bazillion dollars so I I just

◼   ► I feel like I'm a ronin right like I'm a

◼   ► man without a master now and and that

◼   ► bums me out because I want to be able to

◼   ► to find a car that gives me that joy

◼   ► again and you know the the Julia did

◼   ► give me a lot of that joy and maybe I

◼   ► would feel slightly differently about it

◼   ► if there was literally no other options

◼   ► like if there were no three pedal cars

◼   ► but you know I mean like I feel like

◼   ► I've been I've been left wanting in and

◼   ► that that kind of bums me out cuz I feel

◼   ► like I'm the same as I've always been

◼   ► older and maybe wiser and certainly

◼   ► slower but it's I at least older at

◼   ► least older but but you know what I mean

◼   ► like I just I feel like nothing is

◼   ► filling that void even though I'm ready

◼   ► for something to fill that void

◼   ► for something to fill that void

◼   ► if the first version has to be assembled

◼   ► partially out of parts that come in the

◼   ► industry that's fine but eventually we

◼   ► like to bring that in-house because we

◼   ► feel like we can do it better we know

◼   ► exactly what we want for the watch we

◼   ► know exactly what we want for our phones

◼   ► I don't want to have to convince some

◼   ► other company to make this product for

◼   ► me and in fact we have some better ideas

◼   ► about how it might be dump is behind all

◼   ► the best people in this industry because

◼   ► we have too much money right and that is

◼   ► way more aggressive than just shopping

◼   ► among like oh we're gonna use the Sony

◼   ► panel in this display or we're gonna use

◼   ► Tran Tran so the best CRTs and you know

◼   ► like it's way more aggressive to say

◼   ► we're gonna do it ourselves because it's

◼   ► a competitive advantage not to have to

◼   ► wait for the rest of the industry to do

◼   ► anything and in the case of these

◼   ► screens even if you're in a situation

◼   ► where one company makes the best screens

◼   ► and Apple wants the best screens and

◼   ► they feel bad getting a one supplier I

◼   ► think apples view on it aside from that

◼   ► we just don't like giving money to

◼   ► Samsung as a single suppliers to say we

◼   ► think we can do that better because we

◼   ► know exactly what we want and it's a

◼   ► pain to have to tell Samsung exactly

◼   ► what we want and get them to build the

◼   ► thing that we want and go through all

◼   ► that thing we know what we want why

◼   ► don't we just do it ourselves and that's

◼   ► what they've been doing with lots of

◼   ► components if they have any problems

◼   ► with any kind of supplier like Qualcomm

◼   ► being annoying and about you know

◼   ► charging them lots of money or them not

◼   ► having lots of alternatives and trying

◼   ► to get Intel to build radio chips and

◼   ► stuff in a venture they say you know

◼   ► what I'm tired of this we have good

◼   ► engineers we know how to build things

◼   ► why don't we build the radio chips and

◼   ► not build so much as design and have

◼   ► manufactured for us the last bastion of

◼   ► that is manufacturing we're thus far

◼   ► Apple has been happy to say

◼   ► manufacturers compete amongst yourselves

◼   ► and we will give you CPU fab our design

◼   ► that you will fab for us and we will

◼   ► give you manufacturing thing our case

◼   ► design that you will machine that of

◼   ► aluminum for us and we will help you buy

◼   ► the machines for it and we'll help you

◼   ► work on the techniques to use those

◼   ► machines and we'll do all this stuff but

◼   ► in the end Apple doesn't own the

◼   ► factories Apple does not own a silicon

◼   ► CPU fab it still allows other companies

◼   ► to do that for it so it hasn't gotten to

◼   ► the point where we say you know what I'm

◼   ► tired of waiting for you know Taiwan

◼   ► Semiconductor to come up with a new fab

◼   ► let's make our own fab because that

◼   ► starts to get you know a couple billion

◼   ► here capability in there so you're

◼   ► talking real money so so far they've

◼   ► been avoiding that but

◼   ► the modern Apple I think is more

◼   ► aggressive than any other Apple has been

◼   ► in their drive to get a real competitive

◼   ► edge in the market by saying we'll do it

◼   ► ourselves and having the confidence that

◼   ► they'll be able to be able to do it

◼   ► better than anyone else which is

◼   ► exciting from a technology perspective

◼   ► to see you know that's what we always

◼   ► want Apple to although it may seem

◼   ► exciting when Apple is able to

◼   ► synthesize from the parts that are

◼   ► available to almost anybody or most

◼   ► people you know plus or minus one or two

◼   ► parts to make a great product at it it's

◼   ► even more exciting I guess in the iPhone

◼   ► age to see them make phones that are

◼   ► just leaps and bounds better in certain

◼   ► areas than other phones for reasons that

◼   ► are directly traceable to Apple strategy

◼   ► to say bring the system out of chips in

◼   ► house that's why their system on chips

◼   ► are so much better than everybody else's

◼   ► if they were still sitting around they

◼   ► were using the same chips as Android

◼   ► phones though the I think the phone

◼   ► landscape would look very different

◼   ► Apple wouldn't be able to do half the

◼   ► things that it does because it would be

◼   ► working with CPUs that are not now I'm

◼   ► gonna say that are worse or slower which

◼   ► I'm in case they are but that simply are

◼   ► not tailored to the set of features that

◼   ► Apple wants it picks the exact number of

◼   ► cores the exact number of amount of

◼   ► cache right the the you know the exact

◼   ► layout so they can put all their

◼   ► different you know they know exactly

◼   ► what they want for like the iPhone tend

◼   ► to do face ID if they had to adapt some

◼   ► weird you know Snapdragon processor that

◼   ► has way more cores and they want but not

◼   ► enough of something else that they want

◼   ► we'd still be waiting for for a face ID

◼   ► so I don't know I know I'm going with

◼   ► this except to say that I think that

◼   ► this aspect of Apple the technological

◼   ► aggression is actually I think one of

◼   ► the most interesting aspects of the

◼   ► company today and probably

◼   ► underappreciated by you know by anybody

◼   ► who doesn't fall Apple really closely

◼   ► doesn't really care what's in their

◼   ► products but I find it exciting

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◼   ► Simon edge Singh says hey what's the

◼   ► deal with the bits that were once used

◼   ► as an important spec for gaming consoles

◼   ► how many bits does a modern console have

◼   ► and why's it no longer used in marketing

◼   ► and so as soon as I read this I thought

◼   ► back to the days of the Nintendo 64

◼   ► which everyone knew was 64-bit because

◼   ► it was right there in the name and oh

◼   ► man was that thing way cooler than any

◼   ► other modern console or so I thought

◼   ► when I was 10 or whatever so John is the

◼   ► chief gamer of the three of us can you

◼   ► explain to me what's the deal with these

◼   ► bits and why are they no longer used in

◼   ► marketing well marketing has moved

◼   ► entirely on to blast proccesing as a all

◼   ► right so the bits thing like first I

◼   ► read this question I'm like is that a

◼   ► thing that people really wonder about

◼   ► like our consoles still marketed with

◼   ► bits and I think the person who's asking

◼   ► this must have lived through the era

◼   ► when that was

◼   ► these days I haven't seen like the the

◼   ► ps3 or ps4 are you the ps2 for that

◼   ► matter marketing with bits like its it's

◼   ► a thing that is that has passed us by

◼   ► for for good reasons but back when it

◼   ► was used as the marketing turn ascribing

◼   ► a number of bits to a CPU like oh this

◼   ► is a 16-bit CPU this is 32-bit CPU this

◼   ► is a 64-bit CPU there's no hard and fast

◼   ► rules as with most things and

◼   ► marketing's and when you can say

◼   ► something like that but in general the

◼   ► number of bits tended to be applicable

◼   ► because certain things have the same

◼   ► number of bits so the you know the

◼   ► integer registers the place where you

◼   ► store a number would have 16 bits and

◼   ► the address but bus would be 16 bits

◼   ► wide which they controlled how much RAM

◼   ► you could address and you'd call that

◼   ► processor a 16 bit processor didn't have

◼   ► to be the case for example there are

◼   ► many quote-unquote 32-bit processors

◼   ► that shipped with hardware wise

◼   ► physically speaking a 24 bit memory bus

◼   ► and thinking of the original Macintosh

◼   ► and many after that you'd still call it

◼   ► a 32 bit processor though because the

◼   ► integer registers for 32 bits wide and

◼   ► even on a quote-unquote 32 bit processor

◼   ► the floating-point registers might have

◼   ► been 64 bits wide why is that not a 64

◼   ► bit processor and what if the memory bus

◼   ► is wider than the integers and what if

◼   ► the integer is wider than the memory bus

◼   ► and like so there is no hard and fast

◼   ► rule but in general because usually

◼   ► either the memory bus or the integer

◼   ► register width or both were on this

◼   ► number and because there was a

◼   ► progression because it's more expensive

◼   ► especially in the early days to make

◼   ► wider buses to make larger registers

◼   ► right that each leap like now we can

◼   ► make the registers 32 bits each leap was

◼   ► met with a marketing push to say you

◼   ► know the 386 is the 32-bit processor and

◼   ► importantly in terms of representable

◼   ► numbers for integers 64-bit integers and

◼   ► way before you want them to like 65535

◼   ► right 32-bit integers ended a pretty

◼   ► high number that you feel like I can do

◼   ► a lot more with four billion oh yeah

◼   ► there's a lot more things I can count

◼   ► with precision from you know with the

◼   ► four billion

◼   ► item so I can count where's 65,000 I can

◼   ► think of lots of scenarios where I might

◼   ► need to bend I'm bigger than that so

◼   ► once we cross 32 bits we're and same

◼   ► thing for memory addressing although in

◼   ► the beginning there was no computer no

◼   ► personal computer could fill up all the

◼   ► third qubits that memory bus so

◼   ► eventually we got there once you cross

◼   ► 32 you have a lot more Headroom so 8-bit

◼   ► and 16-bit it's like lots of problems

◼   ► where this is annoying and flowing port

◼   ► doesn't help you entirely because of

◼   ► precision and all that stuff

◼   ► 32 bits so I can run this for a while

◼   ► and we did we ran on quote-unquote

◼   ► 32-bit processors for a long time till

◼   ► we eventually got to the point where you

◼   ► could fill a PC with more RAM that could

◼   ► be addressed with 32 bits and then we

◼   ► needed to go to 64 but that took a

◼   ► really long time now our phones are

◼   ► freaking 64-bit which is amazing if you

◼   ► live for the era where you had to

◼   ► progress you're 16 and 32 and so on and

◼   ► so forth game consoles same deal their

◼   ► computers they have memory buses usually

◼   ► they use cheaper stuff because they cost

◼   ► less money than a PC so when pcs were

◼   ► using 32-bit processors game consoles

◼   ► maybe a eight or 16-bit processors just

◼   ► because they had to cost so much less

◼   ► money and it costs less money to make

◼   ► you know smaller chips in surface area

◼   ► and the more lanes you have for your

◼   ► address buses everywhere and though the

◼   ► wider your interest registers and all

◼   ► that of stuff the bigger there so once

◼   ► consoles like so 16-bit was turbo

◼   ► graphics Christine SNES Genesis Sega

◼   ► Master System was 8-bit right yeah

◼   ► anyway you can look on Wikipedia what

◼   ► the bits were but so there was there was

◼   ► eight bit gaming consoles two 16-bit

◼   ► once we got to 32 around the era

◼   ► surprisingly of the Nintendo 64 we got

◼   ► the 32 PlayStation was 32 entender 64

◼   ► was arguably not as 64 e as they made it

◼   ► out to be okay why do you say that I

◼   ► don't think every like it didn't I have

◼   ► to look up him what computer but I don't

◼   ► I don't think the the memory bus and

◼   ► he's more for example or 64 bits what

◼   ► yeah I think you're right there were

◼   ► like parts of it that were 64 bit but

◼   ► not like it was arguable because like

◼   ► because why would you make the memory

◼   ► about 64 bits why I have no idea I'm

◼   ► just pulling this off the top of my head

◼   ► but seriously there's no way in hell the

◼   ► physically speaking they have a 64-bit

◼   ► memory bus and something that had like 2

◼   ► megabytes of RAM like it doesn't make

◼   ► any sense right you need 4 gigs to

◼   ► see the addressability of 32 minutes and

◼   ► if they did it must have only been

◼   ► because they were using an existing part

◼   ► but it just doesn't seem like they would

◼   ► do it's the same reason they had 24-bit

◼   ► memory bus on the Macintosh because

◼   ► first of all you're never going to

◼   ► address like 32 4 gigabytes of RAM

◼   ► gigabytes you can't you can't have four

◼   ► gigabit you know the Mac guys had 128

◼   ► kilobytes of RAM oh yeah even a 24-bit

◼   ► Mary bus preserve so you save money

◼   ► because you have less you know what less

◼   ► room on the chip less traces on your

◼   ► board blah blah so I'm assuming that it

◼   ► wasn't but if there's any part of it is

◼   ► 64-bit you can call it 64-bit okay so a

◼   ► little bit of digging as you were

◼   ► talking the are 4200 has a 30 20 trans

◼   ► translation lookaside buffer table the

◼   ► system bus the 64 bits wide and operates

◼   ► at half the internal clock frequency

◼   ► however the are 4300 I which is what I

◼   ► believe was in the n64 is a derivative

◼   ► of that blah blah blah blah blah and a

◼   ► cut-down 32-bit system bus for reduced

◼   ► cost yeah but in marketing for mark

◼   ► needs and by the way like I said lots of

◼   ► times in 32-bit processors the like I

◼   ► know but x86 indexes have a 8080 bit

◼   ► wide floating-point registers doesn't

◼   ► like that I don't remember something I

◼   ► just had to learn how to decode that

◼   ► format yeah but no one ever said it's an

◼   ► 80 bit processor just because of

◼   ► convention they just kind of say oh the

◼   ► memory bus and the engine registers

◼   ► that's kind of what we call the

◼   ► processor right that's why it that's why

◼   ► they're marketing terms because 16-bit

◼   ► and 32-bit it might you might think it

◼   ► means something but unless you know

◼   ► exactly what it means it doesn't you

◼   ► know never mind that like the width of

◼   ► the memory bus and the size of integer

◼   ► registers really says nothing about how

◼   ► fast the thing processes stuff like and

◼   ► you know anyway gating speed is hard but

◼   ► there was a clear progression with

◼   ► number of bits up to about the 32-bit

◼   ► point where we hung out for a long time

◼   ► and now that we've gone to 64-bit where

◼   ► we really are 64 bits you know even 64

◼   ► memory bus I don't think we're at full

◼   ► 64 what does worth like the Zeon's have

◼   ► they probably have like 48 bit yeah

◼   ► because there was that there was that

◼   ► PAE thing for awhile where I like to

◼   ► address more than I think 16 gigs there

◼   ► was something like that we're like even

◼   ► even the Intel even when Intel went

◼   ► 64-bit

◼   ► you couldn't address 64 bits

◼   ► worth of memory without certain tricks

◼   ► here and there and I I think that has

◼   ► since been lifted to a pretty high level

◼   ► but but but probably out of full 64 like

◼   ► I I know that you can buy servers with

◼   ► like 200 gigs of RAM in them right but

◼   ► you can't buy servers with however much

◼   ► RAM fits in 64 bits which is some

◼   ► astronomical man right yeah

◼   ► Zeta bytes or whatever the hell it is so

◼   ► we're still saving money in that regard

◼   ► but 64-bit integer registers are gonna

◼   ► run us a good long while and I don't

◼   ► really seem any anything going to

◼   ► personal there's no need for a 128-bit

◼   ► memory bus because we can't even

◼   ► physically put 64 bits of memory like to

◼   ► fill that whole address space and

◼   ► 128-bit integers aren't really getting

◼   ► you that much more of problems that you

◼   ► can deal with in 64-bit registers

◼   ► floating-point registers are even wider

◼   ► than they've ever been now - and on GPUs

◼   ► and in sort of the you know media

◼   ► streaming sim D instruction sets those

◼   ► could actually stand to go a little bit

◼   ► wider just to be able to process more

◼   ► values at once because a lot of times

◼   ► they're using like where they call half

◼   ► precision values for games and stuff

◼   ► where you don't need so they'll use

◼   ► they'll still use 16-bit stuff just to

◼   ► pack more into process martin lunch so

◼   ► there's probably Headroom for those two

◼   ► all cranked up to 32 and 64-bit to you

◼   ► know or or could use floating-point

◼   ► everywhere for everything so there's

◼   ► some headroom there but no one brags

◼   ► about GPUs in terms of number bits

◼   ► either because it doesn't make any sense

◼   ► and that's just not how they're marketed

◼   ► so this is a very long-winded

◼   ► explanation that gets into more

◼   ► everything you probably cared about but

◼   ► I think that's that's part of the thing

◼   ► that this was entirely a marketing thing

◼   ► that latched on to a real thing that

◼   ► happened in the progression of certain

◼   ► the width of certain aspects of CPU

◼   ► design in the 70s 80s and 90s that has

◼   ► leveled off because there's no longer

◼   ► any obvious benefit to widening these

◼   ► things at an accelerated rate again

◼   ► setting aside GPUs which there is some

◼   ► benefit to continuing to wide and stuff

◼   ► there and they will continue to be one

◼   ► but GPUs are and marketed in that way so

◼   ► marketing is weird I would also say like

◼   ► you know date like back in you know

◼   ► we're like we grew up in the well Casey

◼   ► and I grew up in these days John was

◼   ► already infected but but you know we're

◼   ► over the time we're like you know like

◼   ► like we we both really saw like the the

◼   ► two 16-bit two 32-bit generations and

◼   ► you know 8-bit systems like they didn't

◼   ► market themselves as 8-bit it was the

◼   ► you know the NES versus the Sega Master

◼   ► System

◼   ► you know vast majority dominated by the

◼   ► NES and then the Sega Genesis Mass you

◼   ► know was very heavily marketed when it

◼   ► came out of 16-bit because it was like

◼   ► this is twice as good like that was

◼   ► really like when the marketing I think

◼   ► was a peak like oh my god this is 16-bit

◼   ► and then the Super Nintendo came out and

◼   ► that was you know well marketed to be

◼   ► 16-bit as well not as heavily as the

◼   ► Genesis though and then you know we went

◼   ► 32-bit with the PlayStation 1 the Sega

◼   ► Saturn and then the generations kind of

◼   ► started being staggered like the n64

◼   ► came out there was a gap between the

◼   ► 32-bit generation and the n64 so it

◼   ► started becoming like oh look since

◼   ► there's a gap and the n64 was in many

◼   ► ways significantly better than the

◼   ► Saturn on the PlayStation 1 then it was

◼   ► like this is they were they were kind of

◼   ► trying to say this is the next

◼   ► generation even though it was kind of

◼   ► like a half generational step and like

◼   ► the generations were no longer in sync

◼   ► and then that continued in the future

◼   ► generations like Sega went kind of you

◼   ► know middle of generation with the

◼   ► Dreamcast

◼   ► then the ps2 came out really early and

◼   ► then the Xbox happened like a little bit

◼   ► later so like the generation started to

◼   ► become more staggered and it wasn't all

◼   ► like okay these are the two systems of

◼   ► this one then these are the two systems

◼   ► for this one and then of course this

◼   ► correspondent with us what John was

◼   ► saying highlight the bits kind of

◼   ► stopped growing and stopped mattering

◼   ► the number of bits has so little bearing

◼   ► on modern performance like computers

◼   ► back then especially the kind of

◼   ► computers that were in game consoles

◼   ► were really simple I think once we've

◼   ► got to the era of having many different

◼   ► processors being involved and having

◼   ► them all be pretty complex and then

◼   ► having things like vector instructions

◼   ► which you know take the street like you

◼   ► know you mentioned Cindy and then you

◼   ► have GPUs coming and you have the GPU

◼   ► revolution that's happened like over the

◼   ► last you know you know decade or so

◼   ► we're like GPUs have gotten so

◼   ► incredible and so much of computing is

◼   ► moving to the GPU and that's where so

◼   ► much of the action is happening and

◼   ► they're the bits you know are completely

◼   ► different than the CPU but you know it's

◼   ► it's you know a lot of things don't work

◼   ► the same way or don't matter the same

◼   ► so I think most of the reason we've

◼   ► moved past the bits thing is that you

◼   ► like like you know like Simon asks like

◼   ► how many bits does a modern console have

◼   ► you kind of can't say guys like well how

◼   ► many how many bits in what part do the

◼   ► integer registers of the CPU or the

◼   ► address bus even matter to modern

◼   ► performance or is it like for a game

◼   ► console you're probably looking more

◼   ► more at the GPU than anything else how

◼   ► many bits wide is the GPU you know in

◼   ► various like buses and thing like that

◼   ► like that might matter but even that's

◼   ► hard to compare between different

◼   ► architectures and different generations

◼   ► and everything else like it's just

◼   ► everything is so much more advanced now

◼   ► that it's way more complicated there

◼   ► really is no single number you can say

◼   ► all right this is a you know 128-bit

◼   ► system like you really can't say that

◼   ► anymore and it's not really a relevant

◼   ► question to even ask they do have the

◼   ► numbers that they say though like to

◼   ► that end manufacturers do throw numbers

◼   ► at you but the numbers are no longer

◼   ► about width in most cases although like

◼   ► I said I think they probably will go

◼   ► back to with once they start once the

◼   ► GPU precision starts going up and that

◼   ► starts mattering more in-game so for now

◼   ► they don't say that but what they do

◼   ► tell you is they tell you flops

◼   ► floating-point operations per second

◼   ► from the GPU because that's kind of how

◼   ► they just do this sort of you know my

◼   ► GPU is bigger than your GPU like the

◼   ► architecture is so complicated that no

◼   ► one can comprehend it right no regular

◼   ► people comprehend it but and it's very

◼   ► regular and repeated in those maybe

◼   ► they'll tell you the number of execution

◼   ► units just something a number of engines

◼   ► or a number of building blocks but

◼   ► really want you want to know is

◼   ► floating-point operations per second

◼   ► that's just a big aggregate number that

◼   ► doesn't really have any bearing piece

◼   ► you're never actually maxing it out well

◼   ► maybe if you're really good game

◼   ► developer you might be maxing out for

◼   ► some period of time they'll tell you

◼   ► memory bandwidth which is important for

◼   ► how you can shuffle information to and

◼   ► from your big pool of RAM and to and

◼   ► from the CPU and the GPU and those

◼   ► numbers I think have way more bearing on

◼   ► performance than any kind of width

◼   ► because at least they tell you like I

◼   ► can process this many things in this

◼   ► amount of times that I can ship this

◼   ► many things from A to B and these days

◼   ► that's what people are measuring

◼   ► consoles are and then maybe clock speeds

◼   ► they'll throw in there but really that's

◼   ► not so much they don't do even do that

◼   ► much CPU measuring if there's lots of

◼   ► ways you could measure CP

◼   ► but they don't even really compare those

◼   ► because they know that for the most part

◼   ► especially as we've gone to HD and now

◼   ► 4k the GPU is very often the limiting

◼   ► factor so they throw they throw that

◼   ► stuff around so there's always some

◼   ► number that come up with a marketing

◼   ► team to to let people measure their

◼   ► consoles against the let people's

◼   ► consoles but it hasn't been bits for a

◼   ► while and and speaking on the bits thing

◼   ► like and I don't know if this was clear

◼   ► but like the reason the reason it

◼   ► mattered so much back when we were gone

◼   ► to 8 to 16 and 60 and 32 is not just

◼   ► like the count ability of things of

◼   ► saying 65 K is not quite enough I think

◼   ► the the the thing that brings it home is

◼   ► a link that I couldn't find out it tried

◼   ► to Google for it maybe it wouldn't be

◼   ► more successful is to think about what

◼   ► it would be like to build a game on a

◼   ► device that had 8-bit integer registers

◼   ► and no floating-point so you get you get

◼   ► 0 to 255 and you have to make a game

◼   ► like that's all you have you can add

◼   ► subtract divide you can do whatever you

◼   ► want with those numbers right but

◼   ► there's no floating point and you can

◼   ► never have a number bigger than 255 and

◼   ► you can ever number smaller than 0 and

◼   ► if you want to do negatives you can you

◼   ► know reserved a bit for sign and have

◼   ► your range right and that's I'm if my

◼   ► memory serves me correctly that is not

◼   ► just a hypothetical exercise that's the

◼   ► original Gameboy and if you think of the

◼   ► some of the games that are arranged in

◼   ► the middle of Gameboy like say you're

◼   ► making a side scroller how do you keep

◼   ► track of where they are on the thing or

◼   ► say you're doing a top view Legend of

◼   ► Zelda where are they on the map how many

◼   ► inventory items do they have like try

◼   ► making a game where you can only count

◼   ► from 0 to 255

◼   ► it's really hard you have to be very

◼   ► clever and never mind that oh by the way

◼   ► that's also the thing that's figuring

◼   ► out how to draw the screen and what

◼   ► palettes to go from and had to define

◼   ► sprites and do stuff like that that's

◼   ► why the bits mattered so much because

◼   ► when you went from 8-bit 16-bit suddenly

◼   ► you had enough numbers for counting that

◼   ► you could define bigger color look-up

◼   ► tables and you could make bigger sprites

◼   ► and ship them around and count to higher

◼   ► numbers to make bigger maps and yes of

◼   ► course is the audio processing as you

◼   ► know higher bitrate for audio and stuff

◼   ► like that you would see the result of

◼   ► those bits on the screen

◼   ► the clock speed you don't even care what

◼   ► that was you're just like now I can

◼   ► count the higher numbers now I can keep

◼   ► track of more colors and more things on

◼   ► the screen because I have you know that

◼   ► there's literally you can count the

◼   ► higher number it makes a big difference

◼   ► especially when you don't have

◼   ► floating-point to approximate those

◼   ► things and so the leap from 8 16 to 32

◼   ► were huge partially because of the

◼   ► bidness just because you were so starved

◼   ► you were so starved for the ability to

◼   ► just count and do basic math and keep

◼   ► track of things in the limited

◼   ► architecture but once you can count to 4

◼   ► billion you're probably ok with the

◼   ► counting thing you're probably ok with

◼   ► the number of colors you got all that

◼   ► stuff covered and by the way you have

◼   ► floating-point some of the point along

◼   ► and like floating point comes in so if

◼   ► you really need to do something you can

◼   ► do floating point and so that's why you

◼   ► don't have rehab it's anymore but I

◼   ► think bits were actually super important

◼   ► like Margot said 16-bit was a change you

◼   ► could see so much more than you could

◼   ► see that you know a difference in ps3

◼   ► and ps4 8-bit 16-bit was just like it

◼   ► was bigger than retina it was no one is

◼   ► confused about it and they asked gamer s

◼   ► any asked and nobody is confused it was

◼   ► such a big difference that's kids these

◼   ► days closest thing they have is

◼   ► appreciating how much faster new iPhones

◼   ► are than previous ones because they're

◼   ► still getting faster pretty fast but

◼   ► there is no technological equivalent to

◼   ► 8 16 32 bit console progression for

◼   ► people growing up today so far maybe

◼   ► when they get into the holographic

◼   ► things they're biologic or modification

◼   ► it will have even bigger changes but for

◼   ► now you just listen to stories from old

◼   ► people what I would say to like I think

◼   ► one of the biggest reasons why we stop

◼   ► talking about bits is that even the

◼   ► whole concept of having these like

◼   ► console measuring contests just like

◼   ► fell out of relevance because consoles

◼   ► are all so powerful now I don't know

◼   ► anybody who I mean maybe except John who

◼   ► would make a console buying decision

◼   ► based on hardware specs

◼   ► you're you're just down the ride forums

◼   ► that's the console war still exists oh I

◼   ► mean I'm sure I'm sure those people will

◼   ► always talk about it but like I think

◼   ► it's definitely not in the mass market

◼   ► if it ever was even like

◼   ► you don't buy a new consult today

◼   ► because of how many mega flops or

◼   ► teraflops or whatever the unit is today

◼   ► like you don't buy a console today based

◼   ► on that like you know if you're deciding

◼   ► between the you know the xbox of the of

◼   ► the day and the PlayStation of the day

◼   ► and the switch of the day that decision

◼   ► is going to be made based on things like

◼   ► games like like titles that are

◼   ► available for the system's it's gonna be

◼   ► based on things like media features

◼   ► heart like output features like doesn't

◼   ► support 4k or not you know VR potential

◼   ► you know add-on potentially that's gonna

◼   ► be the kind of thing that most people

◼   ► buy their consoles based on these days

◼   ► the hardware is so good now it's you

◼   ► know it's the the the gains that are

◼   ► occurring in the hardware are oftentimes

◼   ► not very relevant in like numeric terms

◼   ► compared to other attributes of the

◼   ► system that aren't necessarily its raw

◼   ► performance so my dad as I've mentioned

◼   ► in the past on this show worked for IBM

◼   ► for almost my entire life and I remember

◼   ► that he was so excited about the cel

◼   ► processor in the PlayStation 3 and was

◼   ► talking to me constantly about it I

◼   ► don't know how much of that was just

◼   ► because he was an IBM ER and it was an

◼   ► IBM processor or at least in part anyway

◼   ► I don't know how much that was like

◼   ► regular people marketing or how much of

◼   ► that was just IBM patting themselves on

◼   ► the back but and John I'm kind of

◼   ► looking to you to clarify but I heard

◼   ► about this Cell processor constantly in

◼   ► about OKC did you hear what they're

◼   ► doing to sell now oh and they're doing

◼   ► this for you know scientific computing

◼   ► oh they're doing this for some other

◼   ► thing you know it's not just about the

◼   ► Playstations it's gonna revolutionize

◼   ► the way computers are built which sort

◼   ► of kind of was sort of kind of wasn't

◼   ► but anyway did did that marketing ever

◼   ► really happen or was that just being the

◼   ► child of an IBM er it it did and like I

◼   ► said there part of the reason you don't

◼   ► see as much of that these days it's just

◼   ► because the consoles became so similar

◼   ► because the the ability to create the

◼   ► stuff that goes into consoles started to

◼   ► go so far outside the realm of console

◼   ► developers ability they could they

◼   ► couldn't even like outsource it and say

◼   ► we want you to build you a CPU like this

◼   ► just because it cost so much money and

◼   ► so they started to have to pool their

◼   ► resources and it would be like Nvidia's

◼   ► as well we

◼   ► got a lot of GPUs and we can customize

◼   ► one of our GPUs for your thing but we're

◼   ► not gonna build you a fresh GPU from

◼   ► scratch just for your thing we can

◼   ► cobble together something out of like

◼   ► leftover bits of the last generation of

◼   ► our desktop parts site and there's no

◼   ► way you Nintendo or Microsoft or Sony

◼   ► are gonna design here on CPU from

◼   ► scratch like forget it so how about

◼   ► everybody just uses PowerPC cpus of a

◼   ► couple of different variants and AMD ATI

◼   ► GPUs and so we have whole generation of

◼   ► consoles with PowerPC TV CPUs cobbled

◼   ► together from cores that were used in

◼   ► like Mac's slightly modified and ATI at

◼   ► that time GPUs and in this generation

◼   ► you've got x86 CPUs from AMD they're in

◼   ► the PlayStation and the Xbox that use

◼   ► that and GPUs from AMD also very similar

◼   ► very off-the-shelf parts so what are you

◼   ► gonna brag about right and so the sell

◼   ► was different the sell was probably the

◼   ► last the last gasp of we want a

◼   ► radically different thing that is not

◼   ► just a bunch of PowerPC your x86 CPU

◼   ► core store and although there were

◼   ► PowerPC cores in there because you can't

◼   ► do everything from scratch but it's

◼   ► gonna be really weird really different

◼   ► really exotic and have lots of

◼   ► interesting ideas in it and to make that

◼   ► happen they had to convince IBM or IBM

◼   ► had to convince itself that like your

◼   ► dad said it's not just about the

◼   ► PlayStation there's gonna be lots of

◼   ► applications for the sale and we user of

◼   ► this and we can use with that to justify

◼   ► the massive investment they put in

◼   ► partnership with all these other people

◼   ► to make this thing and they did reuse

◼   ► PowerPC cores for certains for the like

◼   ► the effort where they call it the PPEs

◼   ► right both for the SPU's they made these

◼   ► other little cores and they made this

◼   ► ring bus and everything and it was a

◼   ► really cool really interesting cpu

◼   ► architecture like go read the articles

◼   ► about the cell it is it is novel and

◼   ► interesting and has lots of ideas from

◼   ► like supercomputing and other things in

◼   ► a small package totally a technological

◼   ► feat so your dad was right to be excited

◼   ► about it but to Marco's point you know

◼   ► people don't care about that

◼   ► they just care about the games

◼   ► to your point Casey Sony did market the

◼   ► exoticness of the cell as much as they

◼   ► could they were all about the cell is

◼   ► different than other people's things and

◼   ► it was different

◼   ► Sony's pitch was it's different in a way

◼   ► that will make you have amazing things

◼   ► in reality it was different in a way

◼   ► that will make it very difficult to

◼   ► write dev tools that work to it because

◼   ► it doesn't work like any other game

◼   ► console and it was very difficult to

◼   ► write a program that efficiently used

◼   ► all those resources because it was

◼   ► honestly not quite a good balance in

◼   ► resources you really had to figure out

◼   ► how to orchestrate them just so you were

◼   ► using them all to their maximum extent

◼   ► and not leaving any idle and it was just

◼   ► it took years and years for the best

◼   ► developers game developers in the world

◼   ► to figure out how to ring all the

◼   ► performance out of the cell by the time

◼   ► the Last of Us came out it's like wow

◼   ► ps3 is pretty powerful gonna do some

◼   ► pretty amazing stuff but it's still kind

◼   ► of unbalanced and the whole system is

◼   ► kind of RAM starved and I wish it had

◼   ► more of this and a little bit of that

◼   ► and it's the you know this is the case

◼   ► you must love this because the current

◼   ► generation of consoles and you know for

◼   ► a while now it's been the American

◼   ► approach of there's no substitute for

◼   ► cubic inches you know you can give it a

◼   ► ton of RAM give it a big powerful x86

◼   ► CPU and like a cut-down desktop GPU done

◼   ► and done no exotic architecture needed

◼   ► solve the problem by throwing by

◼   ► throwing this placement that's what

◼   ► they're throwing it right and it's easy

◼   ► to develop for it because it's kind of

◼   ► the same you know PC game console

◼   ► whatever you can x86 CPU GPU that you

◼   ► familiar with 3d api's that you're

◼   ► familiar with amateur toolchain and

◼   ► everything that's what people want and

◼   ► that's what they have so the sell

◼   ► approach was technologically really cool

◼   ► and interesting and they did market the

◼   ► really cool interesting part of it but

◼   ► it ended up making a console that didn't

◼   ► produce the results in terms of cool fun

◼   ► novel games that Sony wanted it to and

◼   ► so everybody learned the lesson of that

◼   ► including Sony and the ps4 was like a

◼   ► giant apology about the ps3 the ps4

◼   ► fixed everything that was wrong with the

◼   ► ps3 it was so conventional so

◼   ► straightforward had so much friggin RAM

◼   ► was so simple to develop for that's why

◼   ► the ps3 did so much better than the ps4

◼   ► did so much better than the ps3 that

◼   ► went on longer than expected but that

◼   ► was that was awesome so thank you John

◼   ► for telling us a bottle of skåne

◼   ► consoles they're great

◼   ► I won't argue with you but I've been

◼   ► really liking my switch lately as I keep

◼   ► bringing up over and over again that

◼   ► uses an off-the-shelf NVIDIA Tegra x1

◼   ► because Nintendo can't even afford to

◼   ► have people make mildly custom things

◼   ► for them

◼   ► really I love the switch I'm so it is

◼   ► the system I and and you know it is

◼   ► assume that I've been happiest with you

◼   ► know it's basically since my Genesis

◼   ► like that's I have not had a game system

◼   ► since my Genesis that I was dis happy

◼   ► with and it has almost nothing to do

◼   ► with the processor or the GPU I have no

◼   ► idea what it has in it I I didn't look

◼   ► at that when getting it I haven't

◼   ► thought to look at that since I have no

◼   ► idea how it compares to the Xbox 17 or

◼   ► whatever the hell Xbox is the current

◼   ► Xbox way less powerful that's how I

◼   ► could probably but it doesn't matter at

◼   ► all like it just doesn't because what

◼   ► matters is the games and the games are

◼   ► awesome like that's that that to me is

◼   ► so much more important than any of the

◼   ► specs and like I'm just I'm incredibly

◼   ► happy with my game console and I have no

◼   ► idea what's in it so it does matter in

◼   ► that if it was really difficult to

◼   ► develop for the switch it would take

◼   ► longer to make games that are up to the

◼   ► standards that you're currently playing

◼   ► them right and if there were fewer games

◼   ► because not as many developers would be

◼   ► able to to you know so like there is

◼   ► there are aspects of a technology that

◼   ► impact like how do we end up with good

◼   ► games you need to have a minimum

◼   ► baseline of like oh I can develop games

◼   ► to this and it's not too weird and I can

◼   ► develop them efficiently with skills I

◼   ► already have without encountering too

◼   ► many bugs without having to learn an

◼   ► entirely new custom dev environment and

◼   ► 3d API and toolchain and everything like

◼   ► that's a part of the technology

◼   ► selection that does impact the part that

◼   ► you care about I would also argue that

◼   ► the power of the system also influences

◼   ► what you care about but it's clear that

◼   ► the switch is a compromise between a

◼   ► plugged into the wall TV connected

◼   ► console and a portable one so they made

◼   ► they have to make compromises in power

◼   ► and it is less powerful and I think that

◼   ► decrease in power gives you the huge

◼   ► benefits of portability which according

◼   ► to defend those surveys that they're

◼   ► running tons of people use this in

◼   ► portable mode so they made the right

◼   ► choice there but the downside is that

◼   ► games that are possible on the ps4 and

◼   ► Xbox one X and especially the Xbox one X

◼   ► and but also the Xbox one may not be

◼   ► possible on the switch and so they won't

◼   ► even get ports or if they do get ports

◼   ► they'll be cut down ports which means

◼   ► that most people want to play them other

◼   ► consoles right so power is still think

◼   ► the thing that Apple needs to Apple in

◼   ► tender needs to keep up with there there

◼   ► are rumors that Nintendo actually is

◼   ► going to come out with a sort of a

◼   ► switch Pro with a more powerful probably

◼   ► nvidia tegra x2 maybe chip inside it

◼   ► again probably off the shelf because

◼   ► that's the thing they're doing these

◼   ► days is making speck bumped versions of

◼   ► existing consoles that nevertheless play

◼   ► all the old games sort of like a

◼   ► generation and a half type thing and the

◼   ► reason they do that is like the Nintendo

◼   ► also knows if we make this more powerful

◼   ► we it expands the realm of the kind of

◼   ► games we can make the breadth of the

◼   ► wilds follow up if there ever is one for

◼   ► the switch but whatever platform it's on

◼   ► we'll be able to have a more detailed

◼   ► more expansive world than this one was

◼   ► in the same way that you could never do

◼   ► breath of the wild on a Wii U or are we

◼   ► like that better game that we all love

◼   ► it just care about the games you can't

◼   ► do that game on less powerful consoles

◼   ► because the world is too big the draw

◼   ► businesses are too large doesn't have

◼   ► the you know the heart of our software

◼   ► to set for all the level of detail stuff

◼   ► doesn't have the RAM so on and so forth

◼   ► so technology does enable good games and

◼   ► has to be pursued but absolute spec

◼   ► numbers are not the end-all be-all

◼   ► because if you add up all the

◼   ► theoretical floating-point operations of

◼   ► the cell could do it looks like it's

◼   ► amazing monster CPU when in the end

◼   ► people couldn't even figure out how to

◼   ► use half of it and half the launch games

◼   ► we're leaving leaving huge swaths of the

◼   ► surface area the silicon surface area of

◼   ► the chip idle because they just couldn't

◼   ► figure out how to even use all those

◼   ► cores and their engine only knew how to

◼   ► use like one or two so they would use

◼   ► one or two and leave half the hardware

◼   ► idle like the launch games that's not a

◼   ► good situation and just put a period on

◼   ► this four hour ask ATP hey I really love

◼   ► having the ability to pop the switch out

◼   ► of the dock and just walk around with it

◼   ► and I might be the only one I mean

◼   ► obviously what you said John is that it

◼   ► sounds like in in Nintendo is seeing a

◼   ► lot of that but they released there is

◼   ► some numbers like we surveyed their

◼   ► users like something that Apple never

◼   ► does

◼   ► how often do you use your switch docks

◼   ► portable and both and like the number

◼   ► like the number of people who are like

◼   ► me and Marco who only use a docked was

◼   ► very small it was like 20% or something

◼   ► and 80% of people are using a portable

◼   ► at least some of the time yeah yeah and

◼   ► I use it probably half and half to be

◼   ► honest which I know is probably barbaric

◼   ► to you but you know it is what it is all

◼   ► right so we'll try to do an abridged a

◼   ► couple of ask ATP's to round this out

◼   ► Johnny Oh would like to know hey what's

◼   ► the deal with sports

◼   ► he writes please explain to the nerd

◼   ► crowd the concept of being a sports team

◼   ► fan I don't understand why people refer

◼   ► to my team etc unless they've actually

◼   ► played for that team well you've written

◼   ► into the right podcast Johnny er

◼   ► supports experts here now we can cover

◼   ► this quickly so Sports is about more

◼   ► than just as with anything in life is

◼   ► about more than just looking at the the

◼   ► quote unquote ones and zeros of it and

◼   ► looking kind of a little bit deeper and

◼   ► so let's talk about my team so I went to

◼   ► school at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg

◼   ► Virginia and Virginia Tech had at the

◼   ► time this was in the very early 2000s

◼   ► had a exceptionally great football team

◼   ► that was quarterbacked by Michael Vick

◼   ► who ended up being a not so

◼   ► exceptionally great human being the

◼   ► dukey's home pods but are they whatever

◼   ► they are Hokies

◼   ► there we go yep yeah so the reason we

◼   ► would one would be enthusiastic about

◼   ► that is because in the case of college

◼   ► sports that's your peers like they were

◼   ► also students of the same University

◼   ► that are playing in this Gill National

◼   ► Arena and so why is it my team because I

◼   ► was also a student at Virginia Tech just

◼   ► like because you went to school in the

◼   ► same and same school that they did right

◼   ► so you were there right and they were

◼   ► there right so doesn't it make it our

◼   ► time you don't get that reference stop

◼   ► laughing Margo no I'm laughing at the

◼   ► ridiculousness of this situation like

◼   ► you're right I don't the reference but

◼   ► like like I like like when I was in high

◼   ► school I was in the marching band for

◼   ► the football team right so like I was

◼   ► literally at every football game sitting

◼   ► 30 feet from the football players

◼   ► watching the whole game participating in

◼   ► this weird

◼   ► like playing music to encourage them and

◼   ► celebrate victories in the game and I

◼   ► still wouldn't say we won okay I would

◼   ► never like my team our team like it was

◼   ► literally I was right there I was

◼   ► somewhat involved I would never thought

◼   ► that way this is my team I couldn't give

◼   ► less of a craft they did I think gays KC

◼   ► is explaining is an accurate explanation

◼   ► of why people feel it's their team yeah

◼   ► I just I was my kind of thing snarky and

◼   ► I'm silly but I think people who go to

◼   ► the school do feel it's their team

◼   ► because they go to the same school

◼   ► despite the fact that I feel like most

◼   ► college athletes especially biased love

◼   ► are really going to a different school

◼   ► than you are oh that's variance of

◼   ► school in your experience of school

◼   ► absolutely but it is still your school

◼   ► and you are going to it and so are they

◼   ► yeah and and this is also applicable for

◼   ► professional sports except it's a much

◼   ► more nebulous Association that the

◼   ► school is your state and/or region

◼   ► exactly so country for the Toronto

◼   ► vision right so if you look at a

◼   ► professional sports team it's often that

◼   ► it's the team that either your family

◼   ► has been rooting for so as an example

◼   ► I'm a fan of the New York Giants and my

◼   ► grandfather my mother's father has been

◼   ► a Giants fan pretty much since the

◼   ► franchise started and so I just grew up

◼   ► watching the Giants such as what we did

◼   ► and at the time we lived in the New York

◼   ► area and so it made sense for that to be

◼   ► our team because of geographic proximity

◼   ► where this really falls apart is all the

◼   ► completely that all the people who are

◼   ► woefully uninformed and think that the

◼   ► Dallas Cowboys or the Pittsburgh

◼   ► Steelers are good football teams with

◼   ► the notable exception of the 10 fans

◼   ► from each team that actually live in

◼   ► Dallas or Pittsburgh because if you ever

◼   ► notice an NFL fan generally speaking

◼   ► they either like the Cowboys or the

◼   ► Steelers and generally speaking they

◼   ► have no association with either

◼   ► Pittsburgh or Dallas not that I'm bitter

◼   ► about this

◼   ► that's old football fans who remember

◼   ► when the Cowboys and steals Steelers

◼   ► they win Super Bowls isn't it now about

◼   ► like Cowboys versus the cheaters it's

◼   ► really purses anybody and then the

◼   ► cheaters are John's team actually and I

◼   ► don't have a team well cuz your team is

◼   ► cheaters yes I wouldn't want to claim

◼   ► them either

◼   ► I wasn't rooting for the Patriots in the

◼   ► Super Bowl

◼   ► so anyway so the idea is that take

◼   ► something that you either participated

◼   ► in as a kid so as an example I played a

◼   ► little bit of basketball as a kid and

◼   ► imagine watching something that you can

◼   ► do all right but watching some watching

◼   ► somebody who is a professional at that

◼   ► thing and it's just it's it's almost

◼   ► poetic watching how good they are at

◼   ► that particular skill in that particular

◼   ► sport that's what's that's what's fun

◼   ► about it and then when you add in that

◼   ► kind of ownership either by way of a

◼   ► school affiliation or geographic

◼   ► affiliation

◼   ► it just becomes fun and you know why

◼   ► would you watch somebody play a video

◼   ► game right it's the same thing now maybe

◼   ► you wouldn't claim that that's your team

◼   ► within the video game but many games

◼   ► have teams now to though point you sport

◼   ► eSports actually do have teams and the

◼   ► teams are original and they're so

◼   ► they're trying to adopt that model yeah

◼   ► but you get the idea is that imagine

◼   ► it's something that you do but it's some

◼   ► other people that do it a hell of a lot

◼   ► better than you will ever do it and it's

◼   ► just cool to watch and plus you know

◼   ► games are fun games are fun to watch

◼   ► games are fun to play and so it's just a

◼   ► confluence of all of that and I have a

◼   ► feeling that Johnny oh you're gonna

◼   ► listen to this and be like yeah that

◼   ► didn't convince me at all and that's

◼   ► okay not it sports aren't for everyone

◼   ► and I'm not a crazy sports person that

◼   ► watches ESPN all day every day and lives

◼   ► for SportsCenter or anything like that I

◼   ► just enjoy football and occasionally a

◼   ► couple other sports too well the

◼   ► question was about why do I endorse was

◼   ► about why being a sports team fan of

◼   ► having my team I think you did address

◼   ► that but like it doesn't I don't think

◼   ► the question was like why are sports and

◼   ► durable period like just to see

◼   ► achievement a human achievement or

◼   ► whatever it's about the fandom and my

◼   ► team type of thing to that end if I was

◼   ► to give my short version of the answer

◼   ► this would be that sports are a socially

◼   ► acceptable outlet for xenophobia well

◼   ► that's who that - not that I was making

◼   ► fun of Pittsburgh Steelers or Dallas

◼   ► Cowboys fans at all just moments ago all

◼   ► right

◼   ► Tee tee on air writes hey I know you're

◼   ► not a big fan of Facebook and what they

◼   ► do with their data how do you guys feel

◼   ► about this whole Instagram thing since

◼   ► Instagram is owned by Facebook and I

◼   ► don't have a good answer for this I will

◼   ► be the first to tell you I do not have a

◼   ► good answer for this and my answer is I

◼   ► freaking love Instagram and I'm gonna

◼   ► steal Marcus thunder

◼   ► Steele Marcos line and say it's my happy

◼   ► place and because it's my happy place

◼   ► despite the fact that they're insistent

◼   ► on trying to ruin it I'm going to keep

◼   ► using it until I have an even more

◼   ► compelling reason not to use it I will I

◼   ► do have a Facebook account I

◼   ► occasionally look at it I would happily

◼   ► get rid of my Facebook account

◼   ► long before I would get rid of my

◼   ► Instagram account and that's just a

◼   ► choice I'm making I'm not saying it's a

◼   ► good choice I'm not saying it's

◼   ► reasonable I'm not saying it's not

◼   ► hypocritical or backwards or whatever

◼   ► but it's just my choice Marco yeah I

◼   ► mean this it's a really like I talked a

◼   ► little bit on Twitter about this earlier

◼   ► like it's hard because you know the the

◼   ► tech giant's are so big like Facebook

◼   ► owns so much stuff if you're trying to

◼   ► for instance get off all Facebook

◼   ► services what if you're in one of the

◼   ► many parts of the world where whatsapp

◼   ► is like the default messaging platform

◼   ► like that's that applies to a lot of

◼   ► places to a lot of people there's a

◼   ► reason why Facebook bought it for what

◼   ► was like 19 billion dollars or something

◼   ► like that like it's everywhere in

◼   ► certain places like it I know it's kind

◼   ► of oxymoron but like it's like because

◼   ► whatsapp is not very big in the US so

◼   ► like US residents might not realize how

◼   ► big of a deal it is but everywhere else

◼   ► in the world whatsapp is huge and really

◼   ► is like it you know it's bigger than SMS

◼   ► it's bigger than messaging it's bigger

◼   ► than iMessage like it's bigger than

◼   ► everything in certain parts of the world

◼   ► just to tell somebody like oh well

◼   ► Facebook happens to own that and

◼   ► Facebook is a terrible company and so

◼   ► you should quit you know everything of

◼   ► theirs including whatsapp that could

◼   ► really have a pretty significant

◼   ► negative impact on on someone's life if

◼   ► they're in an area where like whatsapp

◼   ► is it's big for them this and it's hard

◼   ► like I I love the idea of like dropping

◼   ► a tech giant that that is you know being

◼   ► you know horrible to people or to its

◼   ► company or to data or whatever else in

◼   ► some cases it's easier than others like

◼   ► when uber is being terrible which

◼   ► happens all the time like you know a lot

◼   ► of us move to lift like I did I haven't

◼   ► used uber since all that crap and

◼   ► whatever it was like a year ago saying

◼   ► I've been using lyft and it's you know

◼   ► what it's totally fine because every

◼   ► everywhere I've been like I don't I

◼   ► don't use ride-sharing that often

◼   ► usually it's only like when I'm

◼   ► traveling somewhere but you know every

◼   ► time I've used I've like hired a lift it

◼   ► and totally fine but there are certain

◼   ► regions where like lift just doesn't

◼   ► really serve or doesn't serve anywhere

◼   ► near well enough to be useful and so

◼   ► people there have to use you know suck

◼   ► it up and use uber and I'm not gonna

◼   ► tell them like don't use any of these

◼   ► services like if they sometimes that's

◼   ► your best option

◼   ► sometimes that's your only option so

◼   ► it's it and so with Facebook like they

◼   ► own so much and and a lot of what they

◼   ► own you know both things like whatsapp

◼   ► and and Instagram instagrams little bit

◼   ► of a special case which get to in a

◼   ► second but like you know this stuff they

◼   ► own like whatsapp and the core Facebook

◼   ► service itself for a lot of people they

◼   ► can just drop this stuff and it's no big

◼   ► deal

◼   ► and that's great I encourage you to but

◼   ► for a lot of people like if they aren't

◼   ► on Facebook they can no longer see like

◼   ► the pictures of their shoulder of their

◼   ► grandchildren because that's the only

◼   ► place where people post them or like

◼   ► like like I have never been a really

◼   ► active Facebook user I've never like

◼   ► posted stuff to Facebook or anything

◼   ► else but I do regularly check to

◼   ► communities on Facebook because that's

◼   ► the only place that these communities

◼   ► exist one of them is for our summer

◼   ► place and one of them is for the local

◼   ► school like there's like a group of like

◼   ► parents for the local school on Facebook

◼   ► and a lot of times that is the the first

◼   ► the best or sometimes the only place

◼   ► that certain very relevant news or info

◼   ► is posted and this applies like lots of

◼   ► people they're kind of stuck using

◼   ► Facebook for this reason because there's

◼   ► some kind of community or something that

◼   ► that only posts incredibly important to

◼   ► them information on Facebook so it's

◼   ► really hard to tell people like that you

◼   ► should stop using Facebook because the

◼   ► impact of them not using Facebook like

◼   ► like the cost to Facebook of one less

◼   ► account is probably virtually nothing

◼   ► compared to the cost in that person's

◼   ► life of not having access to these

◼   ► communities or this information that is

◼   ► posted there so it's hard to make that

◼   ► argument that people who were in a

◼   ► situation like that should do it and I

◼   ► made the analogy earlier on Twitter it's

◼   ► it's kind of like when people get mad

◼   ► because they have like a bad experience

◼   ► with a flight and they try to like swear

◼   ► off an arrow

◼   ► forever and there's like five airlines

◼   ► and like they don't they don't all go to

◼   ► all the same places so like like you

◼   ► know if you live in say like a hub for

◼   ► United and United and you get you have a

◼   ► bad experience on United but just common

◼   ► it's terrible like what are you gonna do

◼   ► we're off united it was like if you live

◼   ► somewhere that's one of their hubs and

◼   ► all the flights going in and out are

◼   ► united you're gonna have a really hard

◼   ► time flying anywhere after that and

◼   ► there's not that many airlines so if you

◼   ► if you swear one off when you have a bad

◼   ► experience and you eat say you're never

◼   ► gonna fly with them again that starts to

◼   ► impact your life pretty significantly

◼   ► without too much time and so I feel like

◼   ► the tech giants are in a similar

◼   ► situation where like they owned so much

◼   ► and so much of so many views of these

◼   ► like big tech services are so critical

◼   ► to people's lives and many of them don't

◼   ► have direct alternatives or direct or

◼   ► they have such lock into certain

◼   ► communities that's very it's kind of

◼   ► unrealistic to expect people to move in

◼   ► mass that it's really hard to just tell

◼   ► people like you shouldn't use everything

◼   ► Instagram is is a bit of a special case

◼   ► because to a lot of people Instagram is

◼   ► not critical you know it's not like it

◼   ► isn't often like part of your job or

◼   ► anything but like like for me if I quit

◼   ► Instagram I would lose access to a lot

◼   ► of like my friends and my family's

◼   ► photos because that's where they all

◼   ► post them you know and like they don't

◼   ► have blogs they don't have websites we

◼   ► don't have photo shares elsewhere and

◼   ► maybe we could try to set some up but

◼   ► like that that becomes a much harder

◼   ► problem for like for me to be taking a

◼   ► political stance to say I don't want to

◼   ► use Facebook stuff anymore to then try

◼   ► to convince all my friends and family

◼   ► and people I don't know very well who I

◼   ► just enjoy their photos like hey you

◼   ► know can you instead start posting these

◼   ► over here or in addition start postings

◼   ► over here like it becomes a much harder

◼   ► harder proposition and you know I could

◼   ► I would be fine without Facebook I would

◼   ► just lose access to these communities

◼   ► that are occasionally useful to me and

◼   ► I'd be fine with that Instagram I would

◼   ► be less happy there certain like just

◼   ► you know inertia that in that

◼   ► like I've been on Instagram since I

◼   ► think 2010 my entire you know like the

◼   ► entire life I have here in the suburbs

◼   ► that includes the house my dog the

◼   ► entire life of my son has all been

◼   ► cataloged routinely on Instagram every

◼   ► year TIFF makes a photo book of

◼   ► Instagram photos for our family that's

◼   ► kind of like our families aren't like

◼   ► our family photo albums are like these

◼   ► Instagram books like it would it would

◼   ► disrupt a lot of that stuff and so I

◼   ► it's hard for me to overstate how much I

◼   ► dislike and disrespect Facebook the

◼   ► people who run Facebook the the idea of

◼   ► Facebook and and just the horrible

◼   ► amoral you know morally bankrupt people

◼   ► they're included right at the top right

◼   ► up to Zuckerberg and Sheryl Sandberg

◼   ► right at the top like they are morally

◼   ► bankrupt horrible people doing horrible

◼   ► things and that's also not very new

◼   ► that's it's not like this just started

◼   ► happening and this 2016 election like

◼   ► this is not new at all they always have

◼   ► been horrible people doing horrible

◼   ► things they're spineless turds and

◼   ► cowards I really really do not like them

◼   ► but I also can't totally avoid their

◼   ► services and retain like access to

◼   ► certain information that I need and want

◼   ► and you know the the joy and family and

◼   ► friends connections I get through

◼   ► Instagram so it's it's hard to avoid

◼   ► it's it's not a simple thing it isn't it

◼   ► isn't so simple to say like you know you

◼   ► know are you being hypocritical by still

◼   ► using it or you know why haven't you

◼   ► quit yet like to a lot of people it's

◼   ► more complicated than that and it's it

◼   ► isn't it's a bigger calculus than just

◼   ► like do you like these people or not

◼   ► because I hate those people but I still

◼   ► you know I've decided that the that like

◼   ► the statement I would make by leaving is

◼   ► too small to for the the cost it would

◼   ► be to me in my life you call those

◼   ► services too big to bail I guess

◼   ► Wow I see what you did there that's

◼   ► where you buy the cricket oh yeah

◼   ► definitely not affect in there I think

◼   ► that was quality commands you would like

◼   ► you would like to get out of them but

◼   ► they're just too big you can't convince

◼   ► everybody um so two things one I'm going

◼   ► to remind the world and the recording

◼   ► that I'm speaking into to take credit

◼   ► for the airline analogy you just make is

◼   ► I'm pretty sure I made that exact same

◼   ► one a couple years ago although you

◼   ► probably don't remember also I'm pretty

◼   ► sure jar Mark made it before you yeah no

◼   ► it's it's Turtles all the way down no I

◼   ► mean like in real life not in a podcast

◼   ► sometimes I say things that aren't

◼   ► recorded on podcast did you really save

◼   ► them then yeah this is not recording who

◼   ► can tell and two I'm going to predict

◼   ► that three weeks from now or so there

◼   ► will be a podcast featuring me where I

◼   ► talk about this very same issue at

◼   ► length and so I'm not going to talk

◼   ► about at length here so if you're

◼   ► interested in hearing that discussion

◼   ► that will probably happen sometime in

◼   ► the next three weeks you can check out

◼   ► reconcilable differences on real aid fm

◼   ► I look forward to hearing that in six to

◼   ► eight weeks erectus is by the way one of

◼   ► my favorite podcasts in the entire world

◼   ► I love that show so much yeah it's quite

◼   ► good you really should be you the

◼   ► listeners should really be listening to

◼   ► that if you're not already and and not

◼   ► unlike this show the shows do tend to

◼   ► run a little long but they are worth

◼   ► every damn minute so you should be

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◼   ► now the show is over they didn't even

◼   ► mean to begin because it was accidental

◼   ► oh it was accidental johnny research

◼   ► Margo and Casey wouldn't let him cuz it

◼   ► was accidentally was accidental you can

◼   ► find a CAS URL is Esther that's Casey

◼   ► less and a are Co a RM auntie Marco

◼   ► Arment

◼   ► SI r AC USA Syracuse

◼   ► a lot of people have been reaching out

◼   ► and saying hey Casey have you thought

◼   ► about the Kea stinger GT you should

◼   ► think about it it's a nice car it's not

◼   ► that nice it's nice be upset in it see

◼   ► it in like the interior in d2 pedals but

◼   ► otherwise if you you know other than

◼   ► that mrs. Lincoln how did you enjoy the

◼   ► play otherwise it sounds nice

◼   ► it did ty BMW 340 I and in comparison

◼   ► test which shows just how far BMWs

◼   ► fallen I think I mentioned that in a

◼   ► past show BMWs I actually occurred to me

◼   ► just the other day I was saying this to

◼   ► somebody shoot I don't remember who was

◼   ► but it wasn't on a podcast I guess I

◼   ► never said it I was walking back up the

◼   ► driveway from getting the Mayall and I

◼   ► looked at the garage and I looked at

◼   ► Aaron's car and went to my car I looked

◼   ► at my car for a while and it occurred to

◼   ► me just a few years ago like especially

◼   ► in 2013 for example when when Marco and

◼   ► me and underscore went to the driving

◼   ► school just a few years ago I would have

◼   ► said I was pretty much equally into

◼   ► Apple and BMW like that was during the

◼   ► heyday of my BMW loved speaking of

◼   ► heydays and I loved both of those brands

◼   ► more than almost anything and I don't

◼   ► really give a crap about BMW anymore I

◼   ► feel like I've been so let down by this

◼   ► one this one experience and I know I

◼   ► shouldn't judge all BMWs forever more

◼   ► based on one somewhat crummy almost

◼   ► lemon but I just I can't find myself I

◼   ► can't find myself getting excited by BMW

◼   ► anymore yeah I'm also I mean I think I'm

◼   ► in a very similar boat but may even

◼   ► workstream like BMWs doesn't relevant to

◼   ► me anymore like I you know when I moved

◼   ► to Tesla like I didn't realize quite how

◼   ► different it would be and quite how much

◼   ► it would make all other cars

◼   ► it's just seem like the past by

◼   ► comparison in multiple ways not just the

◼   ► drivetrain but like you know like the

◼   ► just hat you know that the big

◼   ► touchscreen having the some of the more

◼   ► like smart useful little features the

◼   ► app features some of

◼   ► the the practicalities of just like the

◼   ► giant hatchback and how much space how

◼   ► much cargo space there isn't it it's

◼   ► super nice like yesterday I brought I

◼   ► had a flat tire my bike it had to get a

◼   ► new inner tube but I don't know how to

◼   ► do that so I brought my bike to the

◼   ► store in town to have them do it and I

◼   ► fit this giant you know 27.5 Plus

◼   ► semi-fat bike in the back of my car and

◼   ► as I was

◼   ► I opened the open the truck it doesn't

◼   ► fit with a lot of leeway but it does fit

◼   ► and like I open the trunk when I got

◼   ► there like parked in the street and I

◼   ► pulled this giant bike out there's this

◼   ► I'm like wow you just pulled that out of

◼   ► that car like it's so nice anyway yeah I

◼   ► I kind of have the a similar feeling of

◼   ► like like I have no interest in like go

◼   ► on a test drive the new m5 or anything

◼   ► like that like and that's why it's one

◼   ► of the reasons why it was so hard for me

◼   ► to answer that question a few weeks ago

◼   ► of like you know what car would you have

◼   ► if you couldn't have you know this

◼   ► thing's the Tesla like I I really have

◼   ► no idea I'm not interested in any other

◼   ► cars at all and you know again maybe

◼   ► that will change in the future you know

◼   ► when there's more electric options from

◼   ► everybody but honestly I don't

◼   ► anticipate that changing in the near

◼   ► future I think it's what we're gonna be

◼   ► a far future thing but anyway I I'm

◼   ► totally with you like what BMW the

◼   ► direction they've gone in has has

◼   ► seemingly been you know significantly

◼   ► more mass luxury market like obviously

◼   ► going after a lot of what were probably

◼   ► formerly Alexis customers and you know

◼   ► that a lot of that came at the cost of

◼   ► the enthusiasts Joby's not gonna get any

◼   ► like Cisco surahs lesson customers need

◼   ► reliability they're going after Mercedes

◼   ► customers reliability but want a softer

◼   ► car yeah that's fair yeah but it was

◼   ► kind of funny that like kind of like the

◼   ► the decline of BMWs appeal to us has

◼   ► correspondant somewhat to the decline of

◼   ► Apple's appeal to us it's kind of sad

◼   ► really

◼   ► hi you took them you took my moment cuz

◼   ► I was about to say the same that was

◼   ► obvious you can't blame me for that but

◼   ► still but nah right you can have any but

◼   ► I mean I shouldn't cut you off it Here I

◼   ► am so since I have I feel of

◼   ► very similarly but way way way less so

◼   ► about Apple that there are things that

◼   ► are annoying me about Apple that never

◼   ► used to annoy me you know and will and

◼   ► I'll beat up on Siri just briefly

◼   ► because that's the most obvious example

◼   ► like you know anytime I go to use Siri

◼   ► I'm just died a little inside not

◼   ► literally of course that's a bit what

◼   ► support I'm looking for hyperbolic I

◼   ► don't whatever anyway it's a bit extreme

◼   ► but but nevertheless it's like it annoys

◼   ► me every time in a way that Apple stuff

◼   ► used to delight me every time

◼   ► consistently that I touched it and and I

◼   ► feel you know I feel like it's this

◼   ► vector is the same direction but a far

◼   ► smaller magnitude that I'm getting I'm

◼   ► finding myself not is emotionally like

◼   ► excited by Apple stuff as I was in the

◼   ► past now there are exceptions like just

◼   ► the other day I looked down at my iPhone

◼   ► 10 and I was like you know what this is

◼   ► a really awesome phone and having that

◼   ► swipe gesture has made everything better

◼   ► and in the lack of a home button like

◼   ► face ID still does drive me nuts in a

◼   ► few hey he's put by and large it's so

◼   ► cool and so I'm not trying to say that

◼   ► I've like lost hope and Apple by any

◼   ► means but and certainly the alternatives

◼   ► that's we've gone around and around

◼   ► about numerous times on the show the

◼   ► alternatives are not really alternatives

◼   ► but but nevertheless I I find myself

◼   ► getting similarly disappoint yeah I'm

◼   ► not mad I'm disappointed in you Apple

◼   ► and and that's that's a bummer because

◼   ► it's I mean it's just a company right

◼   ► like it and here again like have to come

◼   ► back to the SKT P about sports like

◼   ► Apple is kind of my team and Marco I'm

◼   ► definitely taking a page out of your

◼   ► PlayBook on that one cuz you've made

◼   ► this point for years that Apple was kind

◼   ► of your team and I feel like my team

◼   ► isn't it's not a slump that's that's

◼   ► dramatic but my team is not winning

◼   ► championships left and right like they

◼   ► used to be and that's that's a little

◼   ► bit of a bummer

◼   ► yeah and it's I think it's especially

◼   ► it's a little depressing when you don't

◼   ► have something else to replace that

◼   ► have something else to replace that

◼   ► it's gonna be long you know long drive

◼   ► but I bought walkie-talkies so that we

◼   ► could be like Top Gear stuff ain't gonna

◼   ► find out how crappy walkie-talkies are

◼   ► compared to modern digital cell network

◼   ► yep

◼   ► just start calling each other yeah but

◼   ► they're really fast like that something

◼   ► like you just push a button and talk

◼   ► that's like no linear static type type

◼   ► type you know I got decent ones right

◼   ► when I said the modern digital cell

◼   ► network I meant with the voice like you

◼   ► do you know you're you can talk into

◼   ► your phone oh yeah no one does that

◼   ► I'm just saying you can call people on

◼   ► it try it

◼   ► no oh how we miss the days of the Nextel

◼   ► push-to-talk

◼   ► yeah no it's not it's not push-to-talk

◼   ► if you just leave the call connected all

◼   ► the time you don't even have to push you

◼   ► set up a WebEx in each car Jesus now

◼   ► definitely going to bed

◼   ► Damien Shaw writes Google home allows

◼   ► for both compound commands and

◼   ► context-sensitive commands I do this all

◼   ► the time quote play something and set

◼   ► volume to five it gets it every time and

◼   ► quote Google what's the weather in San

◼   ► Diego - I just said it oh well sorry

◼   ► people

◼   ► hey cylinder what's the weather in San

◼   ► Diego today a few seconds later

◼   ► hey cylinder what about tomorrow and at

◼   ► all that also always works for Damian

◼   ► Shaw yeah I mean this was my bad because

◼   ► I said last episode that none of the

◼   ► cylinder supported multiple commands in

◼   ► one sentence I'm not talking about a

◼   ► follow up like afterwards I'm talking

◼   ► about like play Weezer and the volume to

◼   ► five or you know make a pasta time or

◼   ► five minutes and a sauce timer for 20

◼   ► minutes like stuff like that like that's

◼   ► having all that be in one command and I

◼   ► don't even know it did anybody say if it

◼   ► can do multiple name timers I don't even

◼   ► know anyway it doesn't matter it

◼   ► apparently Google home can do it with

◼   ► certain commands so oh well I made a

◼   ► mistake

◼   ► I wish Siri and the Amazon service would

◼   ► add this that's and this was in the

◼   ► content of Amazon adding there

◼   ► they're like follow up listening feature

◼   ► to the echo of like it'll it'll listen

◼   ► for a few seconds after you give after

◼   ► it does a command to see if you have any

◼   ► more to say like you know that's that's

◼   ► a BS non feature but multiple command

◼   ► support in one sentence is a great

◼   ► feature and something that we've

◼   ► definitely needed I thought nobody had

◼   ► it turns out Google has it done

◼   ► so the thing about these cylinders is

◼   ► like they don't really have a

◼   ► particularly discoverable interface

◼   ► that's one of the reasons that Amazon

◼   ► emails you all the time to tell you all

◼   ► the new things that you can do with your

◼   ► cylinder because otherwise how would you

◼   ► know like it just sits there you know it

◼   ► doesn't it has no apparent way to

◼   ► communicate to you that it is now has it

◼   ► now has a new capability on this topic

◼   ► are you sure Marko that your Amazon

◼   ► cylinder can't do compound commands like

◼   ► when's the last time you tried that's a

◼   ► reasonable question I don't I guess I'm

◼   ► not sure I I'd the last time I tried was

◼   ► probably months ago and May they could

◼   ► have added it last week I don't I don't

◼   ► actually read those emails I think I

◼   ► might have done multiple timers in one

◼   ► sentence but I don't know like I treat