The Accidental Tech Podcast

◼   ► they're beings for harbor today but

◼   ► assuming that they are cuz this was kind

◼   ► of weirdly tied to the macro and this PR

◼   ► thing they should just make the kind of

◼   ► computer that has the most you can

◼   ► possibly have in it for this role like

◼   ► for like the Mac Pro it's a tower

◼   ► there's no limitations really on power

◼   ► consumption or price or size so give it

◼   ► the most you can get when you're making

◼   ► a laptop you want to have something

◼   ► that's portable presumably thin and

◼   ► light if you can get it there has a good

◼   ► battery life but within but other than

◼   ► that make it as versatile as possible

◼   ► this is an argument I always have with

◼   ► people who are like well you why do you

◼   ► need the SD card slot I never used mine

◼   ► so I'm glad they removed it that's these

◼   ► are versatile general purpose machines

◼   ► they should have commented as much as

◼   ► possible removing anything should not be

◼   ► considered a feature except wait that's

◼   ► the only thing that should be considered

◼   ► a feature of removing like everything

◼   ► else like these should accommodate as

◼   ► much as possible so to try to pick like

◼   ► a few certain narrow use cases or a few

◼   ► certain industries or types of quote Pro

◼   ► users which is meaningless to say like

◼   ► we're gonna optimize it or we're gonna

◼   ► design it to accommodate these things it

◼   ► makes like a like a spiky or peaky

◼   ► design instead of something that is more

◼   ► versatile that can accommodate a

◼   ► well-rounded group of things people

◼   ► might want to do with these computers

◼   ► the way to properly design computers is

◼   ► to cover as much as possible not as

◼   ► little as possible and I and this is

◼   ► that this has been a design conflict

◼   ► between me and Apple for a long time

◼   ► well for recent years especially I wish

◼   ► that the products we were getting out of

◼   ► Apple were just more general-purpose

◼   ► more versatile the 2013 Mac Pro went in

◼   ► the other direction and flopped

◼   ► miserably the 2013 Mac Pro is saying

◼   ► let's take all the different things

◼   ► people can do with the old Mac Pro

◼   ► towers so many different configurations

◼   ► possible for so many different kinds of

◼   ► uses and priorities and budgets and

◼   ► everything else and then they made this

◼   ► little trashcan thing that was optimized

◼   ► for like one use case and one type of

◼   ► customer they replace this in

◼   ► credible versatile broad-reaching

◼   ► product with a very narrow one and it

◼   ► flopped I can make many parallels to the

◼   ► laptop lineup right now I hope that they

◼   ► have learned some lessons from the 2013

◼   ► Mac Pro and from the negative reactions

◼   ► to 2016 MacBook Pro and I hope they're

◼   ► gonna start giving us more broad

◼   ► products the iMac Pro is a pretty good

◼   ► start in that direction I want to see

◼   ► more from the Mac Pro so it really

◼   ► depends on how they're using these

◼   ► people because they don't go into that

◼   ► much detail I think said I didn't tell

◼   ► you when they were formed they just like

◼   ► oh they're right down the hall and yes

◼   ► they're influencing the Mac Pro and so

◼   ► on so I can think of lots of good users

◼   ► these people this gets to the to my

◼   ► point earlier about it's apples job to

◼   ► make a good product the people they

◼   ► consult aren't making the product aren't

◼   ► dictating the product design like

◼   ► they're just one input and you have to

◼   ► know what what input do you actually

◼   ► want from these people you don't want

◼   ► them just to just go in there with a

◼   ► blank sheet of paper and say here pros

◼   ► what kind of computer would you like us

◼   ► to build and they all draw a picture of

◼   ► their home or car and you go great we'll

◼   ► build that and then you build it as

◼   ► terrible no one likes and you can't

◼   ► figure out what you did wrong like an

◼   ► apples not doing that I'm sure right

◼   ► right you but there is valuable feedback

◼   ► to be harvested from them to your point

◼   ► markup to make a general-purpose

◼   ► computer that that doesn't have doesn't

◼   ► have stupid limits right so to give to

◼   ► give some examples that might sound

◼   ► silly but I think is is hopefully

◼   ► exactly the kind of feedback they're

◼   ► getting from these people for the Video

◼   ► Editor examples I'm going to make up

◼   ► stuff by video wedding cuz I don't know

◼   ► anything about it right but say the

◼   ► video editors say that they they never

◼   ► put their computers on their desk they

◼   ► always have it like underneath there in

◼   ► like a some standard cabinet or Bay or

◼   ► something or whatever right and for it

◼   ► to be there the cords that connect from

◼   ► the monitor to the computer have to be

◼   ► some length and they could say the last

◼   ► monitor you made the cords are never

◼   ► long enough so we have to buy extenders

◼   ► and extenders are flaky or the you know

◼   ► the bus doesn't doesn't support cords of

◼   ► that length and it's kind of annoying

◼   ► and same deal with the input devices

◼   ► because of the distances if you just

◼   ► made all your cords like a foot longer

◼   ► there would be so much less frustrating

◼   ► that's valuable feedback because it's

◼   ► just saying look this is how people like

◼   ► to arrange their stuff it seems like a

◼   ► minor issue but if we don't do this if

◼   ► we make our codes like Accords the

◼   ► normal length it's gonna be annoying to

◼   ► these people in the same way the

◼   ► five-second long Final Cut Pro Windows

◼   ► it is annoying like they can get around

◼   ► it the product is not dead on arrival

◼   ► but it's a thing we wouldn't have

◼   ► thought of have we hadn't if we hadn't

◼   ► talked to real people who use them in a

◼   ► certain situation and it's a thing we

◼   ► can do it's not dictating the design of

◼   ► the computer just make the cords a

◼   ► little longer I have to think that they

◼   ► had a similar type of reason for the

◼   ► ridiculously long charger cord for the

◼   ► the Apple watch you know the core for

◼   ► that thing is like well sometimes the

◼   ► outlet is like behind the headboard of

◼   ► the bed in the middle and to reach the

◼   ► nightstand it has to be pretty darn long

◼   ► and yeah people can use an extension

◼   ► cord but that's kind of annoying so

◼   ► we're just gonna include a really long

◼   ► cord stuff like that is exactly the kind

◼   ► of hardware feedback that you can get

◼   ► without saying oh whatever hardware you

◼   ► need for your three specific specialties

◼   ► we're just going to build something that

◼   ► does that and then leave someone out in

◼   ► the cold who wants to do like MRI

◼   ► imaging it's like well I don't want

◼   ► about any of those people want I want

◼   ► something else entirely so they should

◼   ► be making a general-purpose flexible

◼   ► computer but if they can you know to the

◼   ► the goal of accommodating more use cases

◼   ► is you have to talk to all sorts of

◼   ► people these people want to for longer

◼   ► record these people don't want any

◼   ► lights in the front or you have to be

◼   ► able to disable the lights like stuff

◼   ► like that but you can just do that it

◼   ► when you look at the whole computer like

◼   ► why are the cords so long and who cares

◼   ► about turning off the lights I certainly

◼   ► don't care about turning off the lights

◼   ► and why does it have like slots in front

◼   ► end and back or why are they a why are

◼   ► they on the side instead of over here

◼   ► it's like you shrug your shoulders and

◼   ► say whatever it's fine for me but to

◼   ► make a machine that accommodates the

◼   ► most possible use cases that's

◼   ► worthwhile feedback on a hardware level

◼   ► you still you don't want it to be the

◼   ► Homer and have everything that everybody

◼   ► wants because it stops being coherent at

◼   ► some point but that kind of feedback in

◼   ► the feedback I mentioned before of like

◼   ► please don't make something that like

◼   ► is cooled by gel and magnetically

◼   ► levitates and you know is a bunch of

◼   ► boxes that snap together with magnets

◼   ► like we don't nobody wants that like

◼   ► nope I know you think it's cool but I

◼   ► guess you know but I mean say we as

◼   ► professionals talk to everybody talk to

◼   ► the video better talk to the audio

◼   ► editors talk to the scientific people

◼   ► nobody wants that and and the people who

◼   ► think it's cool they're not the ones

◼   ► buying matter exactly otherwise we're

◼   ► gonna complain the to expense and so so

◼   ► I think you know that feedback is is

◼   ► good to consent on the right path but

◼   ► after that it's just a matter of finding

◼   ► out all the little little things that

◼   ► are easy for Apple to do that can go a

◼   ► long way that I mean and that's perfect

◼   ► for Apple to brag about like in their

◼   ► presentation say and we've learned that

◼   ► you know again I'm making up all this

◼   ► stuff because I don't use them as

◼   ► contacts it was like and we learned that

◼   ► in certain studios people don't like to

◼   ► have lights so if you want to turn off

◼   ► all the lights on you on your thing you

◼   ► turn them off and the audience would

◼   ► applaud if they were if they also knew

◼   ► about this whole light thing right

◼   ► that's that's the type of feedback

◼   ► they're getting is that it for now III I

◼   ► don't know what to do

◼   ► don't worry there'll be more don't worry

◼   ► yeah they didn't actually release that

◼   ► much new information so all we can do is

◼   ► speculate oh and I guess related to this

◼   ► and how I got on this topic but I was

◼   ► wandering YouTube looking at fancy PC

◼   ► towers and there are some cool ones

◼   ► because I you know this is sort of I

◼   ► don't know like Mac Pro methadone right

◼   ► I'm just I can't I don't have any news

◼   ► about a Mac Pro so I can just go look at

◼   ► other things and say if the Mac Pro was

◼   ► like this it would be neat like I saw

◼   ► one recently that was a tower like a

◼   ► mini tower PC with no fans like

◼   ► passively cooled but with reasonably

◼   ► modern hardware in it like no fans that

◼   ► is a certain appeal doesn't it right and

◼   ► you know it obviously outperforms any

◼   ► Mac ever sold right because it's a PC

◼   ► you know with the real video card and

◼   ► everything it's not the fastest video

◼   ► card you can get an anna bc but it was

◼   ► fast

◼   ► I was like no fans really it wasn't even

◼   ► that big it didn't even get that hot I

◼   ► was like wow if Apple and this by the

◼   ► way Apple don't do this none of your

◼   ► pros are asking for No

◼   ► but if if this was like an avenue of

◼   ► weirdness that they made like instead of

◼   ► making the trashcan they instead decided

◼   ► you know Steve Jobs still odd this is

◼   ► that the thing I can imagine him getting

◼   ► it being his butt about and saying let's

◼   ► try and make it with no fans he'd like

◼   ► but Steve nobody wants that bit I said

◼   ► no fans like the original Macintosh by

◼   ► the way I had no fans in it right and

◼   ► like that's more difficult and it got a

◼   ► little bit too hot inside there and they

◼   ► eventually put fans in the max

◼   ► eventually they're like Steve we kind of

◼   ► really need to like fine all right fine

◼   ► put fan sent fine make the Rama seat

◼   ► really expandable to phyto kilobytes I'm

◼   ► you don't think you're ever gonna need

◼   ► it but anyway sometimes it's not great

◼   ► to listen to Steve Jobs but if they made

◼   ► a Mac prototype thing where the design

◼   ► goal was for no no no good reason to

◼   ► make it have no fans I think they could

◼   ► still make a good one it would be stupid

◼   ► it would be less flexible to having fans

◼   ► but it put it this way it would be

◼   ► better than trashcan you can make

◼   ► actually a pretty good conventional

◼   ► tower looking fanless thing that it has

◼   ► much more flexibility than the trashcan

◼   ► which is more of a condemnation that a

◼   ► trash can than endorsement for something

◼   ► the Apple could do it yeah but to do it

◼   ► it would have to be really big and

◼   ► really ugly things that Apple would

◼   ► never do not that big you should I'll

◼   ► send you a youtube link it's smaller

◼   ► than the regular is way smaller than my

◼   ► cheese grater it's pretty amazing the

◼   ► amazing things you can do we if you

◼   ► apply large amounts of metal in large

◼   ► amounts of surface area so tell me this

◼   ► is gonna come across really snarky and I

◼   ► don't mean it to but I do the same sort

◼   ► of thing that Marco does for a living

◼   ► and if you exclude gaming I do the same

◼   ► sort of thing that John does for a

◼   ► living I can do my job on a MacBook on a

◼   ► 15-inch MacBook Pro on an iMac and I

◼   ► have done and will continue to do my job

◼   ► on any of those things there is no part

◼   ► of me that feels like I need or even

◼   ► really want a Mac Pro because presumably

◼   ► if the iMac Pro is something like five

◼   ► grand the Mac Pro is probably going to

◼   ► be one and a half that twice that three

◼   ► times that

◼   ► I I don't really understand why someone

◼   ► who writes code the kind of code that

◼   ► the three of us write anyway why does

◼   ► one need a MacPro

◼   ► unless you want it to last 40 years and

◼   ► for Marco you go through that you go

◼   ► through computers as quickly as you go

◼   ► through underwear so that's not a

◼   ► concern for you and I'll give you a

◼   ► cop-out which which I can't argue with

◼   ► and it's that I am the most impatient

◼   ► human alive and damn it I will wait as

◼   ► little time as possible for anything to

◼   ► happen on my computer and that is I

◼   ► don't personally think it's worth 5 or

◼   ► 10 or whatever grand to to be that

◼   ► impatient but you know if you do that's

◼   ► fine that's that's your math that's your

◼   ► business that's fine but do you know

◼   ► what I mean like it seems kind of silly

◼   ► like why does any of the three of us

◼   ► need a MacPro

◼   ► why do you need a fancy BMW to drive

◼   ► yourself to work you could take a moped

◼   ► or you could walk walk would be a

◼   ► stretch moped would probably end up with

◼   ► me dead the right answer you're looking

◼   ► for the right answer you're looking for

◼   ► is with a Chevy Volt

◼   ► or just like the cheapest you know you

◼   ► could you could get by with like you

◼   ► know it's a little like you know the

◼   ► cheap cheap little two-door you know

◼   ► ikana box like why do you have a nice

◼   ► car why you know why you have a car that

◼   ► is fast as opposed to like you can still

◼   ► we're driving the same places right like

◼   ► this car analogy definitely has some

◼   ► legs looking at an article right now

◼   ► from 2013 that has the picture of a

◼   ► beautiful matte finish LFA here we go

◼   ► case you're back for a successor this is

◼   ► exactly the reason because we're car

◼   ► guys that's why that's why that though I

◼   ► don't buy that well I mean it isn't a

◼   ► perfect analogy because you know there

◼   ► are certain capabilities that you know

◼   ► higher-end computers offer you that you

◼   ► know that aren't necessarily always the

◼   ► case are always available on lower end

◼   ► ones yeah it's it's even more

◼   ► justifiable than right yeah exactly but

◼   ► it's you know it's it's almost kind of

◼   ► like saying like you know why like why

◼   ► get a pickup truck

◼   ► if you don't usually haul stuff you know

◼   ► but some people just like pickup trucks

◼   ► a lot and they're and that's you know

◼   ► they get pleasure out of that and

◼   ► like who cares right and maybe sometimes

◼   ► they do occasionally have to haul stuff

◼   ► and it wouldn't have fit in their Civic

◼   ► like buying more than you technically

◼   ► need is something to consider if you're

◼   ► you know outfitting a business with

◼   ► 10000 pcs when you're an individual

◼   ► who's a computer enthusiast and you have

◼   ► a little bit of extra money and you can

◼   ► buy yourself a really nice computer

◼   ► there's nothing wrong with buying more

◼   ► computer than you need yes we do the

◼   ► same job in a lot of ways and by the way

◼   ► development is a very big and diverse

◼   ► field that many people have many

◼   ► different needs and as I was spouting

◼   ► off on Twitter earlier about I think the

◼   ► true developer computer is the MacBook

◼   ► Pro like the MacBook Pro is by far the

◼   ► more commonly used computer for

◼   ► developers than the Mac Pro the Mac Pro

◼   ► is much more commonly used by non

◼   ► developers for you know things like

◼   ► video farms and stuff like that like

◼   ► it's really not frequently used by

◼   ► software developers in my my knowledge

◼   ► and experience the MacBook Pro really is

◼   ► is that but you know I could do my job

◼   ► on a map a pro I have done my job on a

◼   ► MacBook Pro I spent years do my job

◼   ► groans it's fine I'm happier and I think

◼   ► I'm more productive and at least certain

◼   ► things are much faster using my cool new

◼   ► iMac pro before this I use an iMac which

◼   ► is basically a MacBook Pro that's

◼   ► stationary that was also really great

◼   ► for years and that was good enough but I

◼   ► can get a better one and I really you

◼   ► know in the same way that you really

◼   ► value having a nice fast car I really

◼   ► get a lot of pleasure out of having a

◼   ► nice fast Mac to do my work on we don't

◼   ► need any of these things in the in most

◼   ► senses we get them because you know some

◼   ► people really do need the extra

◼   ► horsepower we're like you know if I was

◼   ► actually encoding video all day and my

◼   ► encodes could be like four times faster

◼   ► than they could on a MacBook Pro or on

◼   ► an iMac I'm burgler iMac then yeah I

◼   ► think I could justifiably say you know

◼   ► this is worth it to my job because it's

◼   ► it's saving a vast amount of time

◼   ► throughout the day for me the game isn't

◼   ► that big between this and something a

◼   ► little more pedestrian but there is

◼   ► still a gain like every time I build and

◼   ► run

◼   ► in Xcode like I'm doing this a lot

◼   ► throughout the day and it is faster on

◼   ► this than it was on my old iMac not by

◼   ► hours faster it's not our faster but

◼   ► it's seconds faster and I do that I do

◼   ► it a lot so it's better this this

◼   ► computer is able to do things basically

◼   ► anything I ask it to do in near silence

◼   ► I have yet to hear the fan spin up I was

◼   ► maxing out all ten cores the other day

◼   ► importing a big lightroom import and I

◼   ► didn't hear the fans at all the entire

◼   ► time I've encoded video I have encoded

◼   ► 4k video didn't hear the fans at all

◼   ► it's wonderful and so none of us Orwell

◼   ► few of us actually quote need these

◼   ► machines but that's not to say this on a

◼   ► market for them just like nobody needs a

◼   ► car that can go zero to 60 in 2.5

◼   ► seconds but there's a whole lot of

◼   ► people who would sure like one I were

◼   ► going further to further away from

◼   ► trying to justify it although there are

◼   ► definitely justifications basically the

◼   ► same justification says anybody who uses

◼   ► a tool to do a job like Parker was

◼   ► saying you could edit video on a MacBook

◼   ► Air but you're gonna be miserable

◼   ► compared to if you had a bigger faster

◼   ► computer if you do it for the living so

◼   ► I mean anytime you do anything for a

◼   ► living you want like the best tools for

◼   ► it even if it's not a straight time as

◼   ► money thing so there is that

◼   ► justification but I think the more

◼   ► important thing in that the pitch I was

◼   ► trying to make in this old article from

◼   ► before they introduced the trash can was

◼   ► that it's important to the company to to

◼   ► reach for this particular star uh you

◼   ► know for to try to make the biggest best

◼   ► fastest most powerful whatever they're

◼   ► doing that with the phone every every

◼   ► year they try to make the best most

◼   ► powerful phone like the iPhone 10 like

◼   ► it's not kind of like we think this is a

◼   ► pretty good phone like it's kind of fast

◼   ► like it's the best fastest coolest thing

◼   ► they know how to make with all the best

◼   ► specs it's better than everything you

◼   ► know they're they're always reaching for

◼   ► the stars there and that's that's a good

◼   ► Sumer product but for the pro stuff it's

◼   ► you know the hella car analogy right

◼   ► you're not gonna make a lot of money

◼   ► from it you're not gonna sell a lot of

◼   ► them most people don't need one nobody

◼   ► needs one but having it exists not even

◼   ► buying it like please I'm I'm in

◼   ► karzai by honda chords right but just

◼   ► people knowing that it exists that that

◼   ► these cars are out there and that this

◼   ► is the company that makes them raises

◼   ► the prestige of that company and is

◼   ► interest interesting from a sort of

◼   ► human achievement perspective yes it's

◼   ► not the same as the space race but it's

◼   ► it's similar like it you did someone is

◼   ► out that you know Ferraris out there

◼   ► making Ferraris even if I never buy one

◼   ► certainly I don't need one and even if I

◼   ► never buy one I you know spend hours

◼   ► reading about them in magazines and

◼   ► looking at them and get excited when I

◼   ► see one and it changes my opinion of

◼   ► what cars can be and you know like it

◼   ► gives me a different view of Ferrari

◼   ► than if they just made SUVs and Apple

◼   ► I think should always continue to push

◼   ► up against this envelope regardless how

◼   ► many people buy it just because for the

◼   ► same reason I use the Viper and then in

◼   ► the thing because it was a direct quote

◼   ► from the magazine I've been reading

◼   ► where that you know the car guys wanted

◼   ► to make the Viper because it's it's cool

◼   ► essentially and they're into cars and

◼   ► the people who deal with the money like

◼   ► why would you ever make that it's a

◼   ► terrible idea it's not gonna make you

◼   ► money and it's stupid and no one's gonna

◼   ► buy one but that's that's bad decision

◼   ► making so I got your question Casey was

◼   ► why do you want to get a MacPro

◼   ► but I would take it even farther back

◼   ► and say why do you care if a MacPro

◼   ► exists if you're not gonna buy one and I

◼   ► do

◼   ► I cared that for our existing they'll

◼   ► never going to get one and I care the

◼   ► Mac Pro exists even if I wasn't gonna

◼   ► buy one but I totally am probably and

◼   ► I want Apple to be reaching for the

◼   ► stars pushing the limits you know going

◼   ► farther and faster than they've ever

◼   ► gone before and I want them to keep

◼   ► pushing that because I think that an

◼   ► apple that does that is an apple that

◼   ► makes better products overall yeah I

◼   ► don't debate that Apple needs to reach

◼   ► for this it's just again like you

◼   ► neither of you has to answer to me and

◼   ► you know I'm not the boss of you and you

◼   ► can do it just because damn it I want to

◼   ► and that's a perfectly acceptable reason

◼   ► but I look at my what is it like two

◼   ► year old iMac right now and when I write

◼   ► code on this thing like

◼   ► the screen is beautiful with the

◼   ► exception a little bit of burnin the

◼   ► screen is beautiful it still two years

◼   ► on feels crazy fast like I don't feel

◼   ► like I'm waiting for more than a moment

◼   ► for anything when it comes to

◼   ► development not obviously if I'm doing

◼   ► transcodes or something like that that's

◼   ► a different discussion yeah Asian aliy

◼   ► the fans spin up but I'm I'm okay with

◼   ► that I know that makes me a monster but

◼   ► I'm okay with hearing a fan from time to

◼   ► time and I look at the iMac Pro and then

◼   ► I look at the Mac Pro and I feel like

◼   ► there are on paper anyway deeply

◼   ► diminishing returns for both I item to

◼   ► me it's like yeah okay if you're gonna

◼   ► use the car analogy like yes I spent a

◼   ► bit more to have a nicer experience when

◼   ► I Drive two miles to and from work each

◼   ► day a hundred percent and on the surface

◼   ► it's not really that different from what

◼   ► put either you guys are talking about

◼   ► but I feel like what work but a more apt

◼   ► analogy is like well why did you get the

◼   ► regular Ferrari instead of the hyper

◼   ► lightweight Ferrari

◼   ► you know like or it's such diminishing

◼   ► returns like why even bother or or maybe

◼   ► a more apt analogy would be you know a

◼   ► Hellcat will get you somewhere just as

◼   ► quick as a Ferrari will as long as there

◼   ► are no turns as long as there are no

◼   ► turns but I mean I guess it's analogies

◼   ► falling apart as well it's just it seems

◼   ► like it's it's way more money to get you

◼   ► not that much more speed that's true of

◼   ► you BMW - over my court over your record

◼   ► it's considerably more speed over

◼   ► brand-new Accord no it's not not

◼   ► proportional to the money that's always

◼   ► it's always diminishing returns and you

◼   ► get over the top it's always by the way

◼   ► if you're doing parallel tasks it

◼   ► actually is that much more speed yeah

◼   ► don't go like the practical

◼   ► justifications I want this whole I think

◼   ► a totally an impractical justification

◼   ► alone it would be worth it but there are

◼   ► in fact actual practical justification

◼   ► that's worth it just it's it's again

◼   ► like you don't have to answer me I'll

◼   ► let it go it's just it's really hard for

◼   ► me to understand why any human who lives

◼   ► in Xcode needs a MacPro like I can see

◼   ► final cut I could see Lightroom remark

◼   ► oh you brought up Lightroom earlier I

◼   ► can make I can make a pretty good

◼   ► argument that light

◼   ► could justify MacPro but for someone who

◼   ► lives and breathes Xcode or even even

◼   ► more like you know 90 year old

◼   ► programming languages like Perl I don't

◼   ► get why one would want a Mac Pro and and

◼   ► I'll let it go it's just it's don't um

◼   ► and Swift yeah you should be dying for a

◼   ► Mac Pro it's not that bad it's not the

◼   ► gaming angle that you mentioned before

◼   ► though actually is one of the more

◼   ► irrelevant

◼   ► pratik ones because if you reel a lot of

◼   ► it if you really want a Mac like the

◼   ► your they force you to buy this gigantic

◼   ► be incredibly get the the good cheap you

◼   ► know I mean I Pro is a good deep you but

◼   ► presumably this one will have a better

◼   ► one and so if you really are stuck on a

◼   ► Mac and you really want to play games on

◼   ► it which you know people said why would

◼   ► you in the other one I just get a gaming

◼   ► PC blah blah like it's you know it's we

◼   ► are we are oddballs to understand that

◼   ► we have to explain the practical reasons

◼   ► why people want them like that's what

◼   ► all those pros are doing like if you do

◼   ► it for a living

◼   ► and it will make whatever you're doing

◼   ► twice as fast or twice as reliable at

◼   ► the same speed then that's the that's

◼   ► the reason to get them and it's the

◼   ► reason professionals by a professional

◼   ► stuff period like snap-on tools why do

◼   ► they cost so much more than craftsmen

◼   ► are they that much better no they're not

◼   ► that much better but they're better and

◼   ► if you all you do all day is turn a

◼   ► wrench get a good one well but on top of

◼   ► that they also had a ridiculous warranty

◼   ► do they not craftsmen used to be

◼   ► guaranteed for life guarantee forever

◼   ► before like Sears went into business or

◼   ► whatever that's true I don't I'll let it

◼   ► go but it's it's it's it's an odd thing

◼   ► to me again I am a hundred and fifty

◼   ► percent on board with Apple pursuing

◼   ► this I completely agree with you and

◼   ► again gaming is a pretty good reason

◼   ► because I friggin want to leave me alone

◼   ► Casey is a good reason which is what I'm

◼   ► mostly hearing Lightroom is good reason

◼   ► but if you're just living in Xcode or

◼   ► terminal or Visual Studio code or

◼   ► what-have-you it seems a little weird

◼   ► well I mean this is my home computer

◼   ► though I'm not getting it for work you

◼   ► realize like I would never be able to

◼   ► just try to work why they should give me

◼   ► a Mac Pro I can't even justify work for

◼   ► them to get me an iMac for crying out

◼   ► loud it's gonna be stupid laptop right

◼   ► like it's a hobby computer like it's the

◼   ► same you know if you if you had a taxi

◼   ► business you're like how can you justify

◼   ► a BMW if your taxes like don't it's

◼   ► gonna break down and cost you too much

◼   ► money like

◼   ► for your taxi but for your home car I'm

◼   ► gonna BMW because I like cars we are

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◼   ► Moncrief writes hey Marco what's your

◼   ► go-to hand grinder for those of us who

◼   ► don't want your fancy powered instant

◼   ► coffee tubes for travel hand grinding

◼   ► hmm I've had to both hereo first like

◼   ► the skinny one I forget what it's called

◼   ► and then I later got the I'm kind of

◼   ► stubby or one which is called the

◼   ► Skerton I can

◼   ► recommend either of them really if you

◼   ► if you insist on hand grinding coffee

◼   ► the hereos curtain is the much better

◼   ► one like the little skinnier one it's it

◼   ► was useless it was very hard to get

◼   ► anything out of it thus curtain is

◼   ► bulkier but substantially faster the

◼   ► problem is there's a reason why coffee

◼   ► grinders are all electric because you

◼   ► need to do a lot of hand cranking to

◼   ► really get a meaningful amount of coffee

◼   ► especially if you're doing something

◼   ► that needs a finer grind like a narrow

◼   ► press this is one of the many reasons

◼   ► why I decided after only like one or two

◼   ► tries that travel coffee setups are not

◼   ► for me so the only thing I can say is

◼   ► please try not to do this at all but if

◼   ► you're going to do it

◼   ► the hereo Skerton is the one to get and

◼   ► additionally dog oh boy II would like to

◼   ► know what is your coffee setup hike I

◼   ► just found out that you like coffee how

◼   ► do you just find out that Marco likes

◼   ► coffee

◼   ► his blood is coffee that's right anyway

◼   ► I just found out you like coffee would

◼   ► like to know more about your setup yeah

◼   ► alright so basically I'm a crazy coffee

◼   ► enthusiast if you think I care a lot

◼   ► about macbook keyboards you haven't seen

◼   ► me try to make or brew coffee I'm a home

◼   ► roaster i roast my own coffee on a hot

◼   ► top roaster I get the unroasted beans

◼   ► from sweet Maria's I tend to get kenya

◼   ► beans the vast majority is my favorite

◼   ► being sweet Maria's is the best resource

◼   ► I've ever seen

◼   ► for not only getting unroasted beans but

◼   ► getting roosters and learning how to use

◼   ► them so I suggest sweet Maria's calm

◼   ► they've been doing this for a very long

◼   ► time and they've been wonderful and if

◼   ► you're going to start out on a coffee

◼   ► roaster you can start with the cheap air

◼   ► popper or a the Dame or 1300 I think our

◼   ► 1,600 yeah that's that's the one I had

◼   ► first it's decent the hot top is about

◼   ► three times the price but is three times

◼   ► better so it's up to you how you how you

◼   ► want to deal with that but coffee home

◼   ► roasting is something that nobody should

◼   ► really do but I do it because I care a

◼   ► lot about things that people don't care

◼   ► and I'm very happy with that and I'm

◼   ► content with that so that being said

◼   ► when I'm out I mentioned last time I've

◼   ► been recently trying these these cool

◼   ► new sudden coffee instant coffee things

◼   ► like when I'm traveling or on an

◼   ► airplane or something

◼   ► it's Southern Coffee is surprisingly

◼   ► good I also in the meantime have been

◼   ► recommended to other ones

◼   ► voilá spelled like viola you-know-who

◼   ► wallah

◼   ► coffee and Swift cup coffee both of

◼   ► which are also like kind of pricey

◼   ► high-end instant coffee packets both of

◼   ► them are good Swift cup I think might be

◼   ► my favorite of all three so far I have

◼   ► to try a little bit more of it but I'm

◼   ► very impressed by the Swift cup flavor

◼   ► but southern coffee is actually more

◼   ► practical because you can use the tube

◼   ► as a stirrer which is nice anyway at

◼   ► home when I'm using my home roasted

◼   ► beans I grind them with a Bharat's of

◼   ► virtuoso and I put them in a narrow

◼   ► press and I use a fairly imprecise

◼   ► inverted Aeropress method and I use a

◼   ► electric kettle to pour hot water into

◼   ► it that's about it that's my coffee

◼   ► setup I pour I press the coffee into a

◼   ► mug and then I drink it usually I'm

◼   ► making coffee for me and TIFF at the

◼   ► same time so I use two air presses in

◼   ► parallel one in each hand and it's

◼   ► totally fine I've tried pretty much

◼   ► every way I know of to brew coffee I had

◼   ► way I've tried French presses drip pots

◼   ► good drip hot bad drip pots butters

◼   ► right I have I have tried the butter

◼   ► that's terrible I have tried the what's

◼   ► the big expensive oh the clover machine

◼   ► I've tried the clover machine both at a

◼   ► real coffee shop and then later at

◼   ► Starbucks I've tried lots of different

◼   ► brew I've tried a vacuum brewer I have

◼   ► tried so many different ways to brew

◼   ► coffee and what it comes down to is the

◼   ► best way to brew one cup of coffee or

◼   ► two if you're going to operate two in

◼   ► parallel is that is the Aeropress the

◼   ► best way to prove more than that is the

◼   ► Hario v60 pour over cone into whatever

◼   ► vessel you feel like that's it all right

◼   ► Bryce minty would like to know you know

◼   ► I'm finally getting around to replacing

◼   ► that awful file set-top box at my house

◼   ► which TiVo are you using John and not

◼   ► sure if the $750 for a new bolt and

◼   ► lifetime service is really worth it

◼   ► kind of like apples laptops TiVo line is

◼   ► not in a great place right now because

◼   ► all of their newest machines are using

◼   ► this incredibly stupid bent box design

◼   ► like it looks like a regular set-top box

◼   ► would imagine you bent it like and not

◼   ► even in the middle so it makes this kind

◼   ► of like weird inverted V shape the bend

◼   ► is stupid and you can't stack stuff on

◼   ► half of it but worse than the bend much

◼   ► worse is the fact that the thing is very

◼   ► small and so they have a you know low

◼   ► diameter fan and if it has to spin very

◼   ► fast and makes a very annoying

◼   ► high-pitched noise so all of the bent

◼   ► box TiVo's are noisier than the much

◼   ► larger flat box TiVo's that they

◼   ► replaced which is a shame because the

◼   ► top end TiVo the top end bent box TiVo I

◼   ► have one that well actually not

◼   ► toughened that anymore now I have that

◼   ► Fox thing but I think it's basically

◼   ► same sort of voice control they are

◼   ► otherwise very good they are fast

◼   ► they're small the interface has not been

◼   ► entirely ruined by this new interface

◼   ► that they're trying to roll out I still

◼   ► haven't gotten the new interface but it

◼   ► looks pretty gross but the old one is

◼   ► good like it is a good product it is a

◼   ► good TiVo except for the fact that the

◼   ► box has been and it makes awesome noise

◼   ► if you can find a Romeo Pro which I also

◼   ► have one of it is not quite as fancy as

◼   ► the latest bent box ones but it's still

◼   ► plenty fast it is way bigger

◼   ► ridiculously bigger which is kind of a

◼   ► shame but it is quieter so there is no

◼   ► perfect TiVo to get I would say that if

◼   ► you have like an entertainment center or

◼   ► some place where you're not going to

◼   ► hear the fan or you don't care about fan

◼   ► noises or whatever then the stupid vent

◼   ► box top-of-the-line TiVo's are still

◼   ► pretty good t-bo's but if you care about

◼   ► the noise or want to save some money

◼   ► look into a romeo pro if you can find

◼   ► one because they are much more

◼   ► conventional and straightforward and

◼   ► flat and slightly quieter excellent

◼   ► and finally kg writes what kind of

◼   ► clipboard management apps are you using

◼   ► if any on your Mac

◼   ► I use Alfred as my both app launcher as

◼   ► well as you know kind of do everything

◼   ► machine and it includes some very basic

◼   ► clipboard like history and management

◼   ► and stuff like that that has been great

◼   ► it is exactly what I want and nothing

◼   ► more and that that has worked really

◼   ► well for me I did beta test pastebot

◼   ► which is by the same folks that do tweet

◼   ► BOTS and net bot r.i.p and that was

◼   ► really good but more powerful than what

◼   ► I personally wanted it can do things

◼   ► like you know filter or like you know

◼   ► modify what you've copied and and maybe

◼   ► if I spent the time I would end up

◼   ► deciding oh I actually really do like

◼   ► this but for my needs it was it was

◼   ► overkill for what I'm looking for from

◼   ► it Marco do you have any sort of

◼   ► clipboard management setup yeah I I

◼   ► actually really really love clipboard

◼   ► management like it I came fairly late to

◼   ► it like I think I was like most of the

◼   ► way through my job at tumblr before I

◼   ► started using a clipboard manager and I

◼   ► wish I had done it earlier once I got

◼   ► into it because you know programming and

◼   ► just general computer use there is a lot

◼   ► of opportunities to like stack up a

◼   ► couple things in the clipboard then

◼   ► paste them down somewhere like it's the

◼   ► kind of thing like having multiple

◼   ► clipboards or multiple levels to a

◼   ► stacked clipboard is really really nice

◼   ► in so many types of work on computers

◼   ► and it's one of the biggest things that

◼   ► I think it's kind of a shame that iOS

◼   ► not only doesn't have it but probably

◼   ► never will have it when you're working

◼   ► on iOS one of the biggest things I miss

◼   ► but I've tried a lot of them I think

◼   ► I've tried almost all of them started

◼   ► out on one called jump cut which was

◼   ► like just a clipboard manager it's open

◼   ► it was open source back forever ago I

◼   ► don't know where it is now and then I

◼   ► later moved on to launch bar and you

◼   ► know I've also you know back in the day

◼   ► I used Quicksilver as my like fast

◼   ► launcher than for awhile I just did

◼   ► spotlight as the launcher as they as an

◼   ► almost fast launcher and then launch bar

◼   ► kind of combines everything into one app

◼   ► for me it is a super fast launcher and

◼   ► also my favorite clipboard manager and I

◼   ► know like you know Alfred and there's a

◼   ► bunch of other ones out there now

◼   ► I'm sure they're all great just launch

◼   ► bar happens to be the one that meshed

◼   ► best with me and the way I like it to

◼   ► work and the way I like it to look and

◼   ► behave and everything else so I use

◼   ► launch bar for that and and kind of like

◼   ► what you said Casey I'm I'm a heavy but

◼   ► shallow user of it like yeah yeah yeah I

◼   ► use it constantly very I heavily use I

◼   ► use the crap out of it but I only scrape

◼   ► the surface of the available features I

◼   ► literally only use it to like launch

◼   ► apps find emoji to paste into things

◼   ► which is a fairly recent thing and use

◼   ► multiple clipboards that's it I don't do

◼   ► anything where you can like you know hit

◼   ► a different key and send it to another

◼   ► workflow or sent it to a script or

◼   ► capitalize it in this way like I don't

◼   ► do any of that it's only an app launcher

◼   ► and I click on a clipboard manager for

◼   ► me and that's how it's whatever it cost

◼   ► it's like 40 or 50 bucks whatever it

◼   ► cost it's totally worth it just for that

◼   ► because it is such an incredible part of

◼   ► my workflow doing pretty much everything

◼   ► because that clipboard manager it's so

◼   ► good that being said if you don't want

◼   ► to spend that much there are

◼   ► alternatives as I as you know as both of

◼   ► us said but I highly suggest whatever a

◼   ► clipboard manager you end up with if you

◼   ► don't use one try one if you do anything

◼   ► on a Mac ever try a clipboard manager

◼   ► because once you get into the habit it's

◼   ► like you know so I mean so much of

◼   ► modern work is copying and pasting stuff

◼   ► like from one place to another and it's

◼   ► so nice to people to like copy three

◼   ► things and then go to a go to the other

◼   ► app and paste one paste to paste three

◼   ► like to have tinnitus to go back and

◼   ► forth so much it's it's such a

◼   ► revolution and how you how you use your

◼   ► clipboard you will wonder how anything

◼   ► ever doesn't use like how anyone gets

◼   ► around not using a clipboard it's almost

◼   ► as big of a change as having a clipboard

◼   ► versus not having a clipboard like at

◼   ► the very first time you were like when

◼   ► you were we were all learning how to use

◼   ► computers that first time you discovered

◼   ► the clipboard and that you could copy

◼   ► and paste things like it like it's

◼   ► almost that big of a deal

◼   ► once you can have like a little history

◼   ► or a stack John so I use jump cut for

◼   ► years because I just wanted basic

◼   ► functionality and

◼   ► I use pay spot and I don't use much of

◼   ► the fancy functionality but it like jump

◼   ► cut was fine but pay spot it just has a

◼   ► little bit more polish you know like all

◼   ► the all the Bott things is just nicer so

◼   ► I'm gladly paid for it to have a Polish

◼   ► and hopefully more well supported think

◼   ► of this Marco covered most of the

◼   ► benefits of of a clipboard manager let

◼   ► me tell you about a couple of the

◼   ► dangers one danger as Marco pointed out

◼   ► is that it will change your mental model

◼   ► of how computers work and I've done this

◼   ► a couple of times where I've been on

◼   ► someone else's computer even even just

◼   ► like I'm on my wife's computer and one

◼   ► of my kids accounts where they don't run

◼   ► a clipboard manager like it's the same

◼   ► computer but they don't have been don't

◼   ► run pay spot or whatever and I will be

◼   ► doing stuff in the computer and I will

◼   ► not realize way too late that I just

◼   ► thought I was queuing up three things in

◼   ► the clipboard and in reality I was just

◼   ► overriding and the all the things except

◼   ► for the most recent one don't exist

◼   ► anywhere else like I will I will like

◼   ► copy something out of a document close

◼   ► the document without saving it go to

◼   ► another document copy something out

◼   ► close without saving it and like and

◼   ► then you know copy another thing and

◼   ► then go to the destination expecting to

◼   ► paste in all three of those things and

◼   ► guess what two of them are gone like

◼   ► gone gone like as in data loss gone as

◼   ► in I didn't write them down anywhere and

◼   ► they're gone why because my mental model

◼   ► is that copy and paste is like a cue and

◼   ► it's not it's just one place and that

◼   ► makes me sad the other thing is some of

◼   ► these clipboard managers have a way to

◼   ► synchronize your clippings either like

◼   ► through iCloud or across other machines

◼   ► or whatever and applications also have a

◼   ► way to blacklist something and those two

◼   ► features should make a tickle in your

◼   ► mind because one of the things that I

◼   ► think they put in a blacklist by default

◼   ► is like keychain access or one password

◼   ► yeah if you copy and paste the password

◼   ► and have any kind of cloud

◼   ► synchronization on and don't have that

◼   ► app blacklisted guess what you just

◼   ► spread your unencrypted password to our

◼   ► possibly encrypted either way you just

◼   ► spread your password through cloud

◼   ► storage and possibly to other computers

◼   ► that you may or may not control so be

◼   ► careful with your clipboard manager they

◼   ► the good ones have tools for you to not

◼   ► have that happen you have to use those

◼   ► tools which is kind of the reason I can

◼   ► imagine why Apple doesn't build this in

◼   ► right like what does an apple just build

◼   ► in multiple clipboards they put a clock

◼   ► in the menu bar after all that's a

◼   ► pretty old reference there but they're

◼   ► done so many things since then there are

◼   ► dangerous to this and I'm not sure which

◼   ► is the worse the these the possible

◼   ► security danger or the fact that you get

◼   ► so used to it that trying to use a

◼   ► computer without it the computer feels

◼   ► broken yeah those are bad reasons I'm

◼   ► not saying that's the reason you

◼   ► shouldn't use it like I will I will use

◼   ► it forever like I have to use it like I

◼   ► can't go back yeah right exactly but but

◼   ► just keep in mind that once you get on

◼   ► board this train which you should get on

◼   ► board and it's good keep those other

◼   ► things in mind when you're using a

◼   ► foreign computer keep in mind that the

◼   ► clipboard is no longer Q and just

◼   ► disable the synchronization thing if you

◼   ► don't wanna use it like that's the

◼   ► easiest solution to that like do you

◼   ► really care that your clipboard is

◼   ► synchronized across whatever if you

◼   ► don't just turn that stuff off I have

◼   ► never used any kind of syncing like that

◼   ► I like that that to me sounds like a

◼   ► recipe for pain with iOS in the Mac now

◼   ► right yeah and it works like 70 percent

◼   ► of the time yeah I know actually works

◼   ► at your past one won't actually sync

◼   ► across or you hit paste on the other

◼   ► device and it just blocks for like eight

◼   ► seconds well it tries to figure out what

◼   ► the heck it should be pasting delightful

◼   ► huh between that and drag-and-drop it's

◼   ► like man everything on iOS has made

◼   ► slower by progress yeah oh no think the

◼   ► configure is that most of these

◼   ► clipboard history apps have a way for

◼   ► you to limit the size of things if you

◼   ► like me occasionally find yourself

◼   ► copying and pasting 500 megabytes of

◼   ► text from your awesome text editor you

◼   ► don't really don't want your clipboard

◼   ► manager to be like oh let me hold on to

◼   ► that 500 Meg's for you

◼   ► that's so that most don't have a

◼   ► threshold to say look if it's bigger

◼   ► than 50 Meg's just let that one just let

◼   ► that one slide I'm not gonna be I don't

◼   ► want to paste that an hour from now

◼   ► alright thanks to our sponsors this week

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◼   ► and molecule and we'll see you next week

◼   ► now the show is over they didn't even

◼   ► mean to begin as it was accidental oh it

◼   ► was accidental

◼   ► johnny research Margo and Casey wouldn't

◼   ► let him because it was accidental he was

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◼   ► SI r AC Syracuse

◼   ► I was like no but more things I've been

◼   ► looking at in YouTube I'm looking at

◼   ► YouTube videos I had I find some video

◼   ► that was talking about straight cut

◼   ► gears and race transmissions and why

◼   ► they're better I was so frustrated at

◼   ► the video not explaining to me why the

◼   ► adequately explained to me why they're

◼   ► better that I was just like googling for

◼   ► like race transmission straight cut

◼   ► gears on you to I'm like what does

◼   ► YouTube think of what I ended up here

◼   ► but then I ended up in on this rat hole

◼   ► of like explainer Technology explainer

◼   ► videos and I found a lot of them very

◼   ► frustrating like popular videos that are

◼   ► very poor quality like you you start

◼   ► going into the the dark corner of

◼   ► YouTube is the completely incorrect

◼   ► bogus how planes fly videos right it's

◼   ► kind of like I feel like that you know

◼   ► the the conspiracy theories about how

◼   ► the earth is flat and stuff and like

◼   ► kids are finding them like kids don't

◼   ► watch this video that's not how planes

◼   ► fly and there are videos out there

◼   ► explaining why all the other videos

◼   ► telling you how planes fly are wrong but

◼   ► I don't they're not as high in the

◼   ► search results as the bogus one it's

◼   ► very upsetting anyway but that's like

◼   ► both a fun corner of YouTube technology

◼   ► explainer videos but also just filled

◼   ► with garbage like really bad low res

◼   ► computer animations that they probably

◼   ► didn't make with like a computer voice

◼   ► talking over it like like the old fred

◼   ► voice not like siri but like the old

◼   ► fred voice talking over it like they

◼   ► couldn't even get a human i guess these

◼   ► might be machine generated i don't know

◼   ► or from like yeah i I don't understand

◼   ► it I don't understand who's watching

◼   ► them but they they seem to have like

◼   ► they come up high in the search results

◼   ► I wish I it was like it's like both them

◼   ► down and say hide this and never let

◼   ► another human see it because it's bad

◼   ► but they're good wants to remember the

◼   ► classic good one is like you've I think

◼   ► we've all seen this that one from the

◼   ► 50s or 60s explaining how like a

◼   ► transmission works or that was I forget

◼   ► was explained it was like from GM or

◼   ► something and it's like that black and

◼   ► white it's kind of like filmstrip from

◼   ► school and in the 60s but it was the

◼   ► first thing that I ever saw that

◼   ► explained to me how

◼   ► like a traditional gear differential

◼   ► works despite having like assembled and

◼   ► used many of them on a remote-control

◼   ► cars it never quite clicks in my brains

◼   ► like yeah but how did this work and this

◼   ► one did it from like first principles

◼   ► with like to tinker toys I'm like oh now

◼   ► I get it and it finally all came

◼   ► together like this is our every

◼   ► engineering explainer but I gotta go

◼   ► find that one

◼   ► find that one

◼   ► you just starting him out Casey huh

◼   ► carries he's rebooting he said it

◼   ► momentarily I mean that was a few

◼   ► minutes ago

◼   ► you know I mixed a reboot it takes a

◼   ► while not that long

◼   ► not on my shiny new macro mm-hmm all

◼   ► right hello

◼   ► sorry rebooting your slow computer I'm

◼   ► gonna be like that it's faster than

◼   ► John's that's probably true at the

◼   ► reboot already running my reboot is for

◼   ► system updates I didn't have to I just

◼   ► had this sneaking suspicion that I

◼   ► needed to the king I have empathy for

◼   ► the Machine John you've got that reboot

◼   ► feeling my god

◼   ► that's a I was Top Gun wasn't it

◼   ► that's not where that song is from but

◼   ► yes that movie did feature that song

◼   ► take me home or lose me forever John

◼   ► siracusa you know uh fun fact

◼   ► deysa thunder was the better movie

◼   ► between the two of them because of the

◼   ► same movie I'm pretty sure they're not

◼   ► Days of Thunder was the better one why

◼   ► why do you think that because well a

◼   ► everyone is going to tell me I'm wrong

◼   ► and they're probably right but I don't

◼   ► care because planes are not as fun as

◼   ► cars what I figured you know you had

◼   ► some no no reasonable foundation for

◼   ► your opinion but no no that's not now

◼   ► let's talk about vinyl after this

◼   ► high-definition vinyl yes I love I love

◼   ► that story so much like they're like if

◼   ► only there were some other you know

◼   ► round music medium that was longer than

◼   ► a vinyl record and could allow for more

◼   ► precise audio right yeah so I read it I

◼   ► thought it was gonna be like a high

◼   ► definition vinyl but instead it seemed

◼   ► like it was just a way to more precisely

◼   ► make vinyl but everything else about it

◼   ► was the same like it wasn't higher

◼   ► definition it was like if we can really

◼   ► carefully carve grooves in vinyl like

◼   ► more carefully than usual it's like

◼   ► alright I guess I mean sure like it's

◼   ► not okay

◼   ► I don't understand like I thought I was

◼   ► gonna be like a higher density or I was

◼   ► gonna do like it was gonna I was kind of

◼   ► imagining that it would make little pits

◼   ► for like ones and zeros like it would be

◼   ► like final but CDs on vinyl you know I

◼   ► mean there's lots of things you could do

◼   ► to make high to actual high definition

◼   ► vinyl but instead they're just more

◼   ► careful

◼   ► carving grooves in vinyl yeah I've got

◼   ► I've got I've been sent that a couple

◼   ► times already I guess things like you

◼   ► know as somebody who has now seen you

◼   ► know all the sides of this like the

◼   ► appeal of vinyl has nothing to do with

◼   ► its sound quality or fidelity or dynamic

◼   ► range or any the things they're

◼   ► proposing to to increase like it if you

◼   ► want those things you shouldn't be using

◼   ► vinyl at all we're using digital sources

◼   ► this is this is just crazy to me anyway

◼   ► we should start with follow up iOS

◼   ► eleven point three has a new battery

◼   ► throttling notification which we were

◼   ► made aware of sometime in the last week

◼   ► Stephen Devine was the first that I

◼   ► noticed to send us an image it reads as

◼   ► follows this iPhone has experienced an

◼   ► unexpected shutdown because the battery

◼   ► was unable to deliver the necessary peak

◼   ► power performance management has been

◼   ► applied to help prevent this from

◼   ► happening again like a passive voice

◼   ► performance management has been applied

◼   ► who applied it what happened experienced

◼   ► shutdown it experienced it well that is

◼   ► kind of true we did yeah the phone did

◼   ► experience didn't blame you

◼   ► there's no actor in that situation the

◼   ► phone did experience something you shut

◼   ► down your iPhone because of a problem

◼   ► no I this I you know I'm very happy that

◼   ► they are notifying the user when battery

◼   ► throttling happens that in a big picture

◼   ► wise that's good they they should have

◼   ► been doing this all along and that would

◼   ► have made the problem a lot less severe

◼   ► I don't think the wording they've chosen

◼   ► here is particularly helpful or even

◼   ► honest you know performance management

◼   ► has been applied I don't think a lot of

◼   ► people are going to correctly know that

◼   ► that means your phone will now be slowed

◼   ► down like that that's a pretty big

◼   ► difference then performance management

◼   ► has been applied that is a like you know

◼   ► dark pattern euphemism that is

◼   ► intentionally written to mask the truth

◼   ► to mate to confuse and kind of hide

◼   ► what's actually going on in this huge

◼   ► paragraph that they know most people are

◼   ► not going to read and if they do you

◼   ► read it they're good they're not really

◼   ► going to understand what it's really

◼   ► doing I wish that we've been a little

◼   ► more clear in the language but at least

◼   ► they're under firing people it I just

◼   ► wish they around if I

◼   ► in a more honest way they don't offer

◼   ► any remedies like the dialogue should

◼   ► say okay like here's what happened and

◼   ► what is there anything I can do about it

◼   ► actually in this case there is the way

◼   ► you can do about is get a new battery

◼   ► for your phone right all right offer

◼   ► something like it's not even as far as I

◼   ► can tell it's not even a place like a

◼   ► you know tap here for more information

◼   ► like if a user is interested enough in

◼   ► this very confusing vague goodbye he

◼   ► could mean a lot of different things and

◼   ► you I want to know more Gaz it sounds

◼   ► like something bad might have happened

◼   ► to my phone presumably they knew

◼   ► something bad happened to the phones

◼   ► they were using it two seconds ago and

◼   ► then the screen went black and had to

◼   ► wait for it to reboot right so if that

◼   ► happened to me and then my phone came

◼   ► back and it said this I would be like

◼   ► what what can I do about that

◼   ► and Apple has answers there are easy

◼   ► answers hey go get a new battery but

◼   ► they don't offer that in this dialogue

◼   ► anyway yeah they could be a little more

◼   ► video they can say like your battery

◼   ► cannot can no longer run the phone at

◼   ► full speed like that it is more direct

◼   ► that is telling them like your phone

◼   ► won't be slow it's the batteries fault

◼   ► it's something that you can therefore

◼   ► you know have some control over you need

◼   ► to replace the battery like that you

◼   ► know using language that is more honest

◼   ► and accountable I think would do a lot

◼   ► of good here the whole point of this

◼   ► notification is to fix the problem they

◼   ► had before which is they were slowing

◼   ► down people's phones without telling

◼   ► them this kind of sort of fixes that but

◼   ► if the people don't really know what's

◼   ► going on and they later find out oh my

◼   ► phone has been slowed down by Apple you

◼   ► know because of this thing I don't think

◼   ► they're gonna feel better

◼   ► necessarily than they would if they

◼   ► weren't told at all because if this is

◼   ► all they saw and they didn't really

◼   ► understand what was going on then they

◼   ► effectively weren't told about so it

◼   ► doesn't really solve the problem I'm

◼   ► glad that they have a notification I

◼   ► think you nailed it Marco that you know

◼   ► it may not be perfect there's certainly

◼   ► you know issues that we can and just

◼   ► have taken with it but I do think that

◼   ► telling the user what the hell is going

◼   ► on is a good first step in and I welcome

◼   ► this improvement yeah but you need to

◼   ► subtract some of the California from

◼   ► this dialog and apply a little bit of

◼   ► East Coast to it good friggin luck my

◼   ► friend I agree with you but good luck it

◼   ► mean how can how can you expect people

◼   ► who don't live in the real world to

◼   ► communicate with people who live in

◼   ► wordid by Apple in California oh well

◼   ► done all right moving on Mac OS this is

◼   ► actually breaking news and I mean that

◼   ► genuinely this is just breaking in the

◼   ► last like hour or two so we're recording

◼   ► this in the evening of April 11th on

◼   ► Wednesday night and apparently a few

◼   ► people are reporting all at the same

◼   ► moment that Mac OS ten point thirteen

◼   ► point four is now going to warn users

◼   ► about 32-bit apps this is a quote from

◼   ► Jason Snell Apple's long transition away

◼   ► from 32-bit software takes another step

◼   ► beginning April 12 when the clock

◼   ► strikes switching our local time Mac's

◼   ► running Mac OS ten point thirteen point

◼   ► four will display a warning the first

◼   ► time any non apple app that isn't 64-bit

◼   ► compliant is opened interesting I mean

◼   ► this isn't that surprising they're

◼   ► clearly you know like they have not been

◼   ► that secretive that like 32-bit support

◼   ► is on its way out this is it's just like

◼   ► what they did in iOS when iOS 11 I

◼   ► believe was the one that dropped right I

◼   ► think so yeah and so like for iOS 10

◼   ► like ten point for whatever temp with

◼   ► you whatever the last version of ten was

◼   ► they started showing this alert then

◼   ► began you know the over iOS apps and

◼   ► they added a little section in settings

◼   ► where you could see which of your apps

◼   ► was 32-bit and so that's that's nice you

◼   ► can do this I think it's gonna be more

◼   ► disruptive on the Mac like you like we

◼   ► mentioned briefly last week but you know

◼   ► telling telling users what's about to

◼   ► happen before it happens in you know six

◼   ► months to a year or whenever it would be

◼   ► is certainly a good thing this dialogue

◼   ► I think is better worded this one

◼   ► actually tells you what's what the

◼   ► problem is I don't know I've always

◼   ► found these apps like when when the one

◼   ► happened on ten point whatever nobody I

◼   ► knew who was who didn't already know

◼   ► where the dialogue is about guess

◼   ► correctly from a thing and I don't know

◼   ► how they should have worked because

◼   ► people don't care about 32 or 64 but but

◼   ► what it actually says is though it's a

◼   ► two line dialogue guys got the bold line

◼   ► and then the longer non bold sentence

◼   ► underneath it says whatever the

◼   ► application name is not optimized for

◼   ► your Mac now yeah this actually is a

◼   ► terrible dialogue now about now is not

◼   ► optimized for your Mac that's not really

◼   ► true like I know what they're trying to

◼   ► get at but but it makes it seem like the

◼   ► same app that

◼   ► running fine yesterday now somehow like

◼   ► because people read optimized and think

◼   ► it means slower or something and right

◼   ► it's the same speed as it was yesterday

◼   ► right and then the other part says this

◼   ► app needs to be updated by its developer

◼   ► to improve compatibility that's that's

◼   ► closer to true because yeah but what the

◼   ► remedy is developer of the app needs to

◼   ► do something like you user can't do

◼   ► anything about this the developer needs

◼   ► to do it and why isn't it to be updated

◼   ► to improve compatibility compatible what

◼   ► compatibility with an OS that Apple is

◼   ► going to release sometime in the semi

◼   ► near future that's what they don't say

◼   ► that that's what it's about so it's

◼   ► tough to word this one I kind of get

◼   ► that but that's actually really bad so

◼   ► like you know so not your are not

◼   ► optimized means it might be slow which

◼   ► is very different from it's going to

◼   ► stop working in six months if you update

◼   ► your your Mac OS and when the iOS dialog

◼   ► came out if I remember correctly I think

◼   ► it's a summons of that it won't work in

◼   ► future versions of iOS or in a future

◼   ► version of iOS but this like to improve

◼   ► compatibility that's pretty euphemistic

◼   ► too that's like you know what they

◼   ► should say is this appease me related by

◼   ► its developer to work on a future

◼   ► version of Mac OS something like that

◼   ► that's even a little more vague about

◼   ► the timeline but just to say like you

◼   ► know improve compatibility doesn't mean

◼   ► anything not optimized means that are

◼   ► run slowly the truth here is this is

◼   ► going to stop working completely soon

◼   ► and the iOS 11 dialogue said app name

◼   ► needs to be updated which i think is

◼   ► better than app name he's not optimizing

◼   ► she's now optimized where it needs to be

◼   ► updated it's much more clear and then

◼   ► the the subtext was the developer of

◼   ► this app needs to update to work with

◼   ► iOS 11 so not only was it clear that's

◼   ► pretty nice to be updated so it will

◼   ► work we're like a future OS but it tells

◼   ► you the name iOS 11 so yeah the iowa's

◼   ► dialogue was definitely better yeah that

◼   ► is perfect

◼   ► oh wait before we move on so the so that

◼   ► dialogue has buttons it has an OK button

◼   ► which is just like ok whatever nothing

◼   ► happens

◼   ► your app will launch them by the way

◼   ► like it doesn't stop your app from

◼   ► launching it just shows this the first

◼   ► time you launch it maybe you say ok just

◼   ► launches and it's just like it was the

◼   ► day before the style I hear there's a

◼   ► learn more button and learn more button

◼   ► takes you to Apple's

◼   ► knowledgebase article about this which

◼   ► is pretty good and it explains you know

◼   ► what's going on in more detail than the

◼   ► dialogue obviously which by the way this

◼   ► is

◼   ► you know the iOS thing lacks this it

◼   ► doesn't there's no place to get more

◼   ► information as far as I can tell it and

◼   ► I should try it I try to get that to

◼   ► come up and tap it or something anyway

◼   ► the part that stuck out to me in this

◼   ► knowledgebase article is when it gets to

◼   ► the point where like explains to you

◼   ► like you can't do anything about this

◼   ► developer needs updated this is why I

◼   ► blah blah near the end there's a section

◼   ► that says how do I get in touch with the

◼   ► app developer which i think is a good

◼   ► question

◼   ► so you telling me you know people see

◼   ► this out log and I say the developer

◼   ► needs to update and they're like

◼   ► developer like I don't do I even know

◼   ► what that is let alone who it is how

◼   ► would I find the developer of this app

◼   ► and if I was a tasked with writing this

◼   ► I would find myself writing like seven

◼   ► paragraphs about like well so sometimes

◼   ► it's not an individual sometimes it's a

◼   ► company sometimes the company that used

◼   ► to make the application is gone you know

◼   ► like how would you find the person maybe

◼   ► they've moved on maybe they don't have

◼   ► that job anymore maybe no one is

◼   ► maintaining this software you know

◼   ► there's no 100% sure way to find the

◼   ► person who wrote this but like of course

◼   ► they can't do that like they're not

◼   ► gonna go on for 20 pages so they have a

◼   ► very short bit of information that like

◼   ► I don't know I can't think of much

◼   ► better but this seems bad to me the

◼   ► easiest way to contact a developer is to

◼   ► look them up on the web to find the name

◼   ► of the developer of an app open the app

◼   ► click the app name and the menu bar and

◼   ► choose about so they're saying to the

◼   ► about that is two sentences right first

◼   ► one says look them up on the web what if

◼   ► the developer is John Smith look them up

◼   ► on the web the about box maybe it will

◼   ► have link to their website but maybe you

◼   ► will just have a name or maybe it'll

◼   ► just say my cool software company

◼   ► incorporated you know 2010 right it's

◼   ► that's really just throwing people into

◼   ► the deep end I don't know do Google

◼   ► search they figure it out maybe you'll

◼   ► find somebody this is gonna cause people

◼   ► with the same name as a 32-bit app

◼   ► developers to get a lot of bad email my

◼   ► favorite part of this entire page is the

◼   ► very first sentence in the body text

◼   ► state of the art technology is what

◼   ► makes a Mac a Mac that was written years

◼   ► ago though has been updated as

◼   ► knowledgebase article yeah I was gonna

◼   ► say like look at the Mac's that are for

◼   ► sale today and tell me which of them

◼   ► have state of the art technology

◼   ► all of the maksud are for sale not just

◼   ► the most recent models let's see does

◼   ► the MacBook Air have state of the art

◼   ► technology how about the Mac Mini it is

◼   ► still a product in their lineup we are

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◼   ► our show Shawn Harding writes hey I had

◼   ► one of those Pro clip mounts that went

◼   ► into a gap in the dash for my Audi s5 it

◼   ► not only went in the gap but also had

◼   ► adhesive I was hesitant but gave in and

◼   ► I lost my desktop hello sorry things are

◼   ► happening on my computer where the fuck

◼   ► did that go while you were reading did

◼   ► the window disappear out from under your

◼   ► eyeballs well because I was opening a

◼   ► new window in before this all before I

◼   ► started reading all this and then it

◼   ► opened and then things disappear your

◼   ► computer is slow Oh would you stop

◼   ► you're opening a window then you had

◼   ► time to read two sentences then the

◼   ► window finally opened I was opening up

◼   ► in the nCWIT window leave me alone now

◼   ► let me reboot this whole fuckin thing

◼   ► what are using VNC for what are you

◼   ► remotely controlling I'm remotely

◼   ► controlling the laptop that's sitting

◼   ► like 2 2 inches away from me because I

◼   ► am trying to to look at something for

◼   ► work real quick so I don't have to worry

◼   ► about it

◼   ► are you doing air traffic control during

◼   ► this podcast what's going on are you

◼   ► trying to land planes with us we are

◼   ► talking with the Mac Pro yet you can't

◼   ► we be paying your bills and stuff yeah I

◼   ► know I know I know I'm we're getting

◼   ► there right so let me just reboot this

◼   ► whole damn thing

◼   ► Sean holding lights I'm rebooting

◼   ► nothing not literally repeating no just

◼   ► segments he's trying to keep that out of

◼   ► the show but I'm pretty sure he's going

◼   ► in no it's not going on please now Sean

◼   ► Harding writes I had one of those Pro

◼   ► clip mounts that went in the gap in the

◼   ► day it went into a gap in the dash for

◼   ► my Audi s5 and not only one in the gap

◼   ► but it also had adhesive I was hesitant

◼   ► but gave in and now I have a big gap in

◼   ► the trim and adhesive residue two thumbs

◼   ► down so the pro clip mounts that I was

◼   ► talking about last week if I go in your

◼   ► car like they're made for each

◼   ► individual car model certain you know

◼   ► the design of certain dashboards and

◼   ► stuff like the you know certain ones are

◼   ► gonna be easier or harder to fix

◼   ► something very securely to than others I

◼   ► lucked out in that mine just uses the

◼   ► air vent and just kind of uses like a

◼   ► pressure fit inside the air vent top and

◼   ► bottom so that it doesn't leave anything

◼   ► behind and there's no like permanent -

◼   ► damage should buy it but if your car is

◼   ► one where it has to do something a

◼   ► little more aggressive then you know

◼   ► that makes

◼   ► to to have that be a problem for you you

◼   ► know I just it isn't a problem for me

◼   ► also its Elise maybe you don't want to

◼   ► mess with the - because who knows what

◼   ► they'll say about that when you try to

◼   ► give it back the thing about the vent

◼   ► ones that some people wrote in about is

◼   ► they're like oh isn't it bad to keep

◼   ► your phone there like in the winter with

◼   ► heat blowing out of the vent on it and I

◼   ► just assumed that every car has like

◼   ► that little dial or whatever that lets

◼   ► you turn off the vent and I would

◼   ► suggest that if you in the winter if you

◼   ► have your phone an event clip turn the

◼   ► vent behind the phone off so heat isn't

◼   ► constantly belong in the back of your

◼   ► phones that's terrible and the summer

◼   ► air conditioning blowing the back that's

◼   ► probably great because it gets pretty

◼   ► heat hot in the car with the Sun beating

◼   ► down on your phone so that'll probably

◼   ► even out but if you have no dial because

◼   ► your car as a weird super modern thing

◼   ► where there's no way to control the air

◼   ► vents except for a tiny dot in the

◼   ► middle of a giant field that you drag

◼   ► around as a vague way to suggest in the

◼   ► car where there might come out yeah that

◼   ► sounds pretty cool to be honest I

◼   ► haven't seen it yet but it sounds pretty

◼   ► cool

◼   ► yours doesn't have that I thought that

◼   ► was on although it's only the mile three

◼   ► which I haven't seen in real life yet

◼   ► but I was like if you just want to turn

◼   ► off the vent that your phone is attached

◼   ► true though I'm not sure how you can do

◼   ► that by dragging a puck around a little

◼   ► ice hockey rink

◼   ► I actually no I don't think I can turn

◼   ► off event like they have a little like

◼   ► slider things you can redirect it but

◼   ► there's no I don't think I can turn that

◼   ► vent off I don't have the little dial no

◼   ► but but this isn't a problem in reality

◼   ► because automatic climate control never

◼   ► has the heat blowing out of the center

◼   ► vents it's always blown in the feet vent

◼   ► the defroster vent or both but it's

◼   ► never blowing out the front vents that's

◼   ► not how you're supposed to heat a car

◼   ► why wouldn't you want out of the front

◼   ► vents because you don't need heat

◼   ► blowing in your face you look at your

◼   ► feet sometimes my face is cold I'll tell

◼   ► you where I want the air I I would not

◼   ► consider this a big problem in reality

◼   ► for almost anybody because the way

◼   ► you're supposed to be climate managing

◼   ► your car you shouldn't really be blowing

◼   ► a lot of hot air through the front fence

◼   ► anyway and also if you're using your

◼   ► phone in a doc and running like waged

◼   ► something it's already running so hot

◼   ► that you know it actually might improve

◼   ► the heat efficiency of your car to be

◼   ► blowing it across your phone on the way

◼   ► to your face okay because because the

◼   ► phone is you know 150 degrees but the

◼   ► air coming out of the vent 275 so it's

◼   ► actually cool

◼   ► exactly all right with regard to my

◼   ► beloved blue towel speaking of car

◼   ► related things indeed five rights at the

◼   ► surgical rag that I use is called a huck

◼   ► h uck it's a sterile towel used to dry

◼   ► hands after a surgical scrub before

◼   ► operating and apparently he has a

◼   ► million of them and then Eugene fries in

◼   ► writes in that they're actually

◼   ► available on Amazon so I'll put a link

◼   ► in the show notes I was not aware of

◼   ► this which is super good news because I

◼   ► kind of need some we also got some

◼   ► feedback about whether or not it's

◼   ► plastic ventilating onto the interior of

◼   ► your windshield John do you have any

◼   ► thoughts on that or do you not care yeah

◼   ► no it's true I'm guessing from them you

◼   ► know that new car smell and various

◼   ► other things that you smell in cars of

◼   ► outgassing from carpets and from plastic

◼   ► and a lot of that crap gets all over

◼   ► your windshield and makes it gross fun

◼   ► finally our almost finally actually car

◼   ► subscriptions Zach a friend of mine

◼   ► asked why not have like a lyft

◼   ► subscription you know like insurance the

◼   ► light users would subsidize the heavy

◼   ► ones that sounded like a brilliant idea

◼   ► and then fast-forward like three days

◼   ► after I heard this feedback from my

◼   ► buddy Zach and I somehow saw an article

◼   ► or a headline or something like that

◼   ► about how lyft actually is or will soon

◼   ► be offering subscriptions which I didn't

◼   ► know was the thing this is the kind of

◼   ► thing that like it's it's nice in a lot

◼   ► of situations and it might even it might

◼   ► even prove to be nice in the majority of

◼   ► situations for some people but the the

◼   ► great flexibility of having your own car

◼   ► parked in your driveway or in your

◼   ► garage or nearer in front of your place

◼   ► is that it's always there ready for you

◼   ► it's it's dedicated capacity just for

◼   ► you if you're relying on not public

◼   ► transit but if you're lying on like

◼   ► services like lyft or uber or other like

◼   ► kind of car share services there's only

◼   ► a certain number of cars out there in a

◼   ► given time and they're only in a certain

◼   ► number of places and they're there a lot

◼   ► you know less densely available once you

◼   ► get out of the major cities when you

◼   ► have your own car it's always there

◼   ► ready for you no matter when you want to

◼   ► use it with zero weight or close enough

◼   ► to zero weight when you're relying on

◼   ► something like this it might work nine

◼   ► times out of ten but then the tenth time

◼   ► you go to use it oh there aren't any for

◼   ► the next 45 minutes or it's a spike

◼   ► because of demand or the nearest one is

◼   ► no too far away and doesn't want to take

◼   ► your ride or you keep getting the same

◼   ► one over and over again that's some

◼   ► driver that's terrible that you don't

◼   ► want that you know their car smells like

◼   ► smoke and cats and stuff and it's like

◼   ► when it's yours when it's your car it is

◼   ► always there ready to go and so

◼   ► depending on how important that car and

◼   ► the mobility are to you anything for

◼   ► most people in most of America it's very

◼   ► important because the public

◼   ► infrastructure just isn't there for most

◼   ► of us having that car be dedicated to

◼   ► you having your own that's always ready

◼   ► to go that's always right there that's

◼   ► always yours and you can put your stuff

◼   ► in it and you can you can know that's

◼   ► always gonna be there and be ready

◼   ► that's gonna have a pretty big advantage

◼   ► for a lot of people so I don't see

◼   ► service it I don't see personal car

◼   ► ownership of some form going away like

◼   ► lyft and uber that's not that that's

◼   ► something else the subscription is just

◼   ► another way to have cars that are yours

◼   ► so that I think makes some sense maybe

◼   ► in the future but it's never going to be

◼   ► totally replaced in America unless our

◼   ► density radically changes which I don't

◼   ► see happening this is a psychological

◼   ► pricing ploy like for for city dwellers

◼   ► who are never gonna own the car because

◼   ► they can't afford a parking spot for it

◼   ► or whatever you use lift all the time

◼   ► anyway you can convince enough of them

◼   ► to subscribe essentially paying more

◼   ► like like Zak said most people will say

◼   ► oh it's just easier to pay a

◼   ► subscription and not have to worry about

◼   ► the hassle of you know paying each time

◼   ► and everything and maybe that'll make me

◼   ► feel like oh I'll use it more I have a

◼   ► subscription I'll use it more right

◼   ► and maybe they won't use it more you

◼   ► know and so this will end up making more

◼   ► money from the people who thought they

◼   ► were gonna really totally use that

◼   ► description all the time but actually

◼   ► take the same number of rides as they

◼   ► always did it ends up being a bad deal

◼   ► for them but the few heavy users get a

◼   ► really good deal because now they can

◼   ► just ride as much as they want for a

◼   ► flat fee so lyft will figure out the

◼   ► economics of it I'm sure and try to but

◼   ► that it's the type of pricing psychology

◼   ► that can make everybody involved feel

◼   ► like they're getting a good deal even

◼   ► though obviously you know they're not

◼   ► right so lyft would be happy if they

◼   ► make more money and the users would be

◼   ► happy if they perceive the the

◼   ► subscription as a good value regardless

◼   ► whether it's actually a good value

◼   ► finally somebody and I don't have the

◼   ► scene out in front of me somebody was

◼   ► very grumpy about the fact that we

◼   ► called San Jose not very big and John

◼   ► did you put this in here would you like

◼   ► to happen that happened last year too

◼   ► and we were talking about San Jose we

◼   ► got so much feedback about I forget we

◼   ► ever even did fall about it but we

◼   ► should and because I've totally forgot

◼   ► about the fallout from last year already

◼   ► we're like Oh San Jose like nobody's

◼   ► there it's empty it's not like Samer so

◼   ► it's not a big city like San Francisco

◼   ► and any time we said anything like that

◼   ► someone from San Jose or near San Jose

◼   ► right st. to tell us mean well you know

◼   ► San Jose is bigger than ther an cisco

◼   ► has a bigger population in San Francisco

◼   ► you know all the things about how San

◼   ► Jose it's just massive compared to

◼   ► everything that we be you know we're

◼   ► saying it's small but it's not right and

◼   ► to that I would say Texas has more

◼   ► people than San Jose but if I drop a pin

◼   ► anywhere in Texas chances are good I'm

◼   ► gonna look around not see that much all

◼   ► about density San Jose is bigger San

◼   ► Jose has more people but practically

◼   ► speaking if you are a person you could

◼   ► drop down and WWC and you look around

◼   ► you'd be like where all the people as a

◼   ► tumble beat tumbleweed goes by right

◼   ► like it is very different experience

◼   ► from the vastly higher density of where

◼   ► Moscone is San Francisco so that's what

◼   ► we meant we know it's a big city we know

◼   ► there's lots of people somewhere also I

◼   ► was interested

◼   ► not a single person refuted my Truman

◼   ► Show theory about everybody who works

◼   ► there but they're just writing your name

◼   ► down a little book of a little you know

◼   ► picture of you says do not serve this

◼   ► person or serve this person even more

◼   ► slowly than usual I'm not sure I'd be

◼   ► able to tell the difference like oh here

◼   ► we go you wanted to order something I

◼   ► don't know if I can do that I'll just

◼   ► check with my boss to see if you can

◼   ► order something well I'm gonna laugh

◼   ► when you get says so PO or whatever it's

◼   ► called and and they are like oh wait

◼   ► you're Marco yeah we're not serving you

◼   ► what would you do you would have nowhere

◼   ► to go you would have you would have no

◼   ► court to rule over I'd go to the beer

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