261: Seven-Dollar Plastic Garbage
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last summer and I started using Waze a
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lot going to Long Island is you know
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always a traffic nightmare especially
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when you go on the weekends when
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everyone else is going and I have since
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been using Waze so yeah for about a year
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and I've been using it since then also
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and Waze is so much better than every
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other traffic routing system I have ever
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used by a longshot
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so the point where it has earned my
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when Waze tells me to go a certain way I
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go that way it has not steered me wrong
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yet it is so good and I know that
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there's I know first of all it's owned
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by Google and it is constantly sending
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lots of data to them and really burns
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your battery so you gotta have plugged
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in I'm aware of the trade-offs here for
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you know privacy and creepiness for this
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service but it's so dramatically is
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better than everything else out there in
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so many ways it has earned my trust and
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I highly suggest if anyone else is okay
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with giving a whole bunch of your
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location data to Google while you're
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using Waze I strongly suggest using it
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when you drive somewhere and there's
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lots of other things about it that they
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you a lot of people first heard about it
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because of its it's a feature where
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people can report where police officers
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are and it'll like alert you hey there's
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a police officer up ahead five you know
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point five miles ahead or whatever
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that's honestly that's a side benefit
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the traffic routing is really where it's
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at that is where Waze kicks so much but
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across everything else and it's also
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incredibly good at time estimates like I
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can go on a two hour drive with lots of
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traffic in the middle and whatever time
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estimate Waze told me at the beginning
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of the drive when I would arrive on a
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two hour traffic fill drive it's right
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within like five minutes almost every
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time it's crazy how accurate the time is
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Matar so unlike a lot of the other
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systems I've used you know you don't you
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don't sit there and watch the time or
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count up and really she's really
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discouraging like you you know ahead of
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time roughly what you're getting into
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and you can even plan drives you can say
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like I'm going to be driving from here
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to here tomorrow morning what time
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should I leave and you can scroll
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through this cool
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graph where it'll show you like well if
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you if you leave an hour earlier it'll
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take less time and if you go near this
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stair this time zone it'll get really
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traffic you but then it'll lessen out
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down here after rush hour like it's so
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nice that it is one of the very few
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things that I'm very willing to give up
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a massive amount of my privacy and my
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data for the incredible benefit that it
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gives so John why am I wrong about
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everything by the way that was roughly
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four minutes well done so yes I would
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love to see what those graphs look like
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if you're like in the Hamptons and it's
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Sunday night it should be like just go
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to sleep try them try on Monday morning
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like if I leave now I'll get home in
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seven hours but ever leave five hours
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now I'll get home in one and a half
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so this ways has been the topic was so
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long I have no idea what I think I was
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gonna say do have something one one
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fairly silly but possibly depressing
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thing to say about it I have ways on my
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phone at various times during drives or
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before I would know what was going to
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take a drive I'm like we use Waze
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because there might be traffic and I'm
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interested in alternate routes I've
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tried to use Waze by launching the
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application and it just sent me into
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like a sign-up funnel that I have never
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made it through and I don't remember now
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what it is that was sending me away but
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I think at least three or four times I
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was motivated to use Waze I started down
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whatever funnel of sign up thing they
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had for me and partway through I bailed
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out because it was like too onerous did
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one like my social security number did
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it I'm not one of those people like
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whatever take my email I'll make a
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password I don't care I'll make an
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account like it's not like I'm you know
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shy about making accounts but there was
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something about the signup process and
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this I think it's like the first app
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that has happened to it
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it's memorable to me because I have been
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repeatedly motivated to try the app
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because people say it's good and yet it
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keeps repelling me so I have no idea if
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it's changed since the last time I've
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tried it but whatever it is like I
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couldn't get through to the app to use
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the app because of this funnel that it
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was sending me through
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find that kind of depressing my question
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for Marco is what are the competitors
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like you mention waves compared deals
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what other things have you tried because
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I don't honestly I don't even know I
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know Apple Maps I know Google Maps and I
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know ways and that's it yeah so I those
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three those those are the part of the
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big ones I've also used the built in
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systems for Tesla the Tesla system is
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it has Google map tiles which is nice so
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you can see the good maps but through I
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probably some weird licensing thing it
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doesn't use Google for the directions
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like Tesla I think has their own service
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or licensing something else for the
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routing and so like the Google tiles are
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literally just there like as the image
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of the map and so Tesla has its own
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system for routing that has options for
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for dynamic traffic routing and it is
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horrible I don't recommend anybody use
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it for that like to the point I had this
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giant touchscreen in my car which I love
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all other times and will often use like
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two browser on the map to see like you
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know what areas around me are full of
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traffic right now if I'm like going
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somewhere local or I want to see like
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how how would you get there the giant s
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the map is awesome for that but then
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I'll have my phone in this little like
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seven dollar suction cup mount right
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next to the Tesla screen running ways
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when I'm actually going somewhere like
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on the highway because it's so much
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better I'm sorry the test system is
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I've also tried the Lexus system and two
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or three generations of the BMW idrive
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system none of them are very good the
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the traffic routing on all of them is
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pretty poor BMW system also has the
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additional benefit of being
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incomprehensible wet like when it's
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offering youth traffic routing options
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case you've seen this like it can be
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pretty awkward to try to figure out like
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what button here do I hit to take this
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route or decline this route and then if
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you decline it can you go back later and
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see it or what is it going to do for you
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it's it's very confusing and very hard
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to use all these all the other systems
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have led me down crazy paths and and
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that didn't pay off and made terrible
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time estimates along the way and made
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terrible decisions along the way where
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ways just hasn't like I think I've had
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maybe one or two times where Waze told
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me to do something and afterwards I
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thought maybe that wasn't worth it but
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it's nothing like with the other systems
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where like you take one of the traffic
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suggestions and every
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you're like Oh God Tesla does not know
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what speed traffic moves on side streets
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in New York City like that's crazy
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like that's it's that level of bad with
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the other systems and ways just again it
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has earned my trust it like when weighs
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tells me to take some direction even if
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I know that it's gonna be indirect I
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know they're telling me for a good
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and so I take it and it works almost
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every time it's shocking how good it is
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oh yeah well you have the advantage that
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the New York metro area probably has
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incredibly good coverage for like ways
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information right oh yeah I mean like
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there's a reason why like if you get
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into any lyft or uber or even a lot of
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taxis and and car services like the
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drivers of almost all these services use
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Waze to route themselves like I see you
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can see who watch when they like on
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their phones that they have mounted so
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uh comes they'll have multiple phones
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one of them running like you know the
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lyft driver app and one of them running
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ways and even if they only have one
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phone like they'll be switching between
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those two F's they'll be actually using
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Waze to wrap them there and whatever map
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goober a lyft is telling them to take as
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the driver they're mostly ignoring
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because we this is better so yeah
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obviously like it is it is obviously a
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very dependent service so if you're in
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an area where there's not a lot of users
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of it it's it's not gonna be as good a
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traffic routing but it's really popular
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and it's been really popular for a long
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time and it's really popular among
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people who drive a lot like taxi drivers
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so there tends to be a lot of ways
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coverage pretty much everywhere in my
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experience I've used the Google app and
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it is suggested to me alternate routes I
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don't know of goo I mean Google if they
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own ways I would think they would
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leverage some of the information but I
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if the goulds you know so every once in
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a while I have taken these suggested
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alternate route from Google and so far
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has its DB room but they haven't been
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radically different it doesn't like take
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this major highway instead of this one
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because there's an accident Mike alright
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good thanks but for the most part I have
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not entered the world of you know you
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know letting go and letting ways just
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tell me where to go so I have not done
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any sort of scientific testing on this
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but my completely anecdotal single data
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point based on my experience is that
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Google does use the same data the ways
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does but it seems
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to be a lot less aggressive about
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routing you through somebody's backyard
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like Marco was talking about like it
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will keep you to only ever so slightly
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aggressive changes of route whereas ways
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will send you through a residential
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street and not even think twice about it
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it also it's kind of funny when you are
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doing that there's almost always two
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cars ahead of you who are following the
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exact same route and you can tell like
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oh this is the Waze cluster right here
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we're all the ways users are going
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through this random residential street
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but then we pop onto the highway
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magically right in front of a giant
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traffic jam it's like okay well I guess
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that was worth it after all it's it's
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totally true the one the one thing that
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really bothers me about ways has almost
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nothing to do with Waze at all and at
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the risk of sounding like a broken
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record and what do I need for that a
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vinyl player is that right anyway the
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vinyl Turner I believe it's called a
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vinyl Turner that's what it is at there
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is sounding like a broken record one of
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the things that really bums me out about
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Waze is that if I'm in Aaron's car and
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she has a 20-17 xc90 a Volvo xc90 with
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carplay if I'm an aaron's car and you
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must run into this in the BMW if you
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ever take that for any long journey and
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you can't I know I know but you can't
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use Waze natively on carplay I'm not
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clear and it may be but that that's
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entirely wases fault I don't think
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that's the case it's not there's no the
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only way that other apps can integrate
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with carplay is as audio playing apps
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that's it there's no other api's for and
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no other integrations that they've done
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with partners or anything like it's it's
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only audio playback there you go so it
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is infuriating that here is a really
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really lovely perfectly well maybe not
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perfectly but really well-thought-out
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secondary display for my phone that that
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is right in the center console right
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where you would want to look at it and
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there is nothing that weighs can do
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about that in ways can't use it at all
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and it's super duper frustrating one of
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the nice things about Aaron's car is
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that you know I will often plug in my
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phone to her car in and so we are
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looking at the car played display of my
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phone on the senator display because
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it's easy for me as a passenger to
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reroute her or choose different route or
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whatever the case may be
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on Apple Maps or just do something
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different you know to change where we're
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going or so whatever they gives maybe
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it's nice as the passenger to be able to
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do that but to effect the the display
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that she is looking at so I don't have
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to call out every four seconds make a
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right make a left make a right make a
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left she goes look down and see it for
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herself and that would be amazing with
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Waze and I would kill to be able to have
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ways on Erin's carplay display but
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because Apple is the Walia stuff walled
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gardens no dice and this is the same
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problem I have a Spotify on the home pod
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and it is getting to the point that I am
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starting to get deeply frustrated about
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this deeply frustrated enough to go
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Android yeah let's not go crazy
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but I am getting deeply frustrated by
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this and I don't feel like Apple is
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really doing themselves any service
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particularly in this context I could see
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how yeah okay fine let the home pod
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Drive Apple music sales fine whatever
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but I still disagree with it but I can
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at least understand the perspective but
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in this case like why are you forcing
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people to use Apple maps and I actually
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don't have that much of a problem with
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Apple maps and I'll turn to that when
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I'm doing any sort of normal like half
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an hour or an hour journey but if I'm
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doing like what you're talking about
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Marco going to going to the beach or
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doing like a two-hour plus journey I'm
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always all the time and especially if
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I'm going to DC which is a traffic
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nightmare I'm go I'm going waste for
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that and so it is infuriating that
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because of hubris because of
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obnoxiousness I don't know what
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adjectives you want to want to use here
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but for whatever reason laziness
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Apple just does not let us use the one
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app that I think almost everyone
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universally wants to use I think I
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understand why they like our play is so
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limited I think they're just very
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nervous about putting arbitrary
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third-party iOS you deserve interfaces
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up on a screen even if just for just
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even just for display purposes that they
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just want to be conservative and say
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these are the things that we've decided
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are not are don't distract drivers I
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don't know that that are distraction
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free enough that we feel like we are at
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the right band of
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legal exposure yeah and and cuz and
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there's also like you know it's it's a
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difficult problem because there are so
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many different laws in different
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countries and even different states
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about what a car screen can display and
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how much you know how much can it change
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how many items can be like in a list of
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items because they don't they don't want
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people like browsing long lists while
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they're driving like there's so many
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regulations and stuff that it's you know
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and again when you're dealing with auto
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safety you really have to be very
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conservative because literally lives are
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at stake if you're not and so there's
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lots of regulations and and safety
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concerns there so it makes sense why
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they don't add much to it but the
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reality then is what people do is what
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I've done with my car is like that you
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just get a cell phone mount for seven
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dollars and you stick it to the car and
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then you have your phone screen
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available to you yeah maybe that's an
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acceptable compromise because then like
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you know they're they're like legally
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covered he's like well we didn't do that
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you know I wonder if that's necessarily
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the best idea but ultimately it doesn't
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really matter whether it's a good idea
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or not that's what everyone's doing it's
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like and across all walks of life
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Android and iOS like that's what
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everyone does is they want to use Waze
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in their car which a lot of people do
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they just get a cell phone mount and
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stick it to the dashboard of the
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windshield and it's not the best setup
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in the world but it's fine
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it'll be increasingly wasteful as large
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screens and cars trickles down from the
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high end to basically every car which is
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slowly but surely happening you know
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right now you feel a frustration I got a
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70 inch LCD in my Tesla and I got a look
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at my little phone screen because I
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can't display ways on my giant Tesla
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screen right and the same thing with all
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the high-end cars that have displays in
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front of the driver and the in the you
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know instrument cluster and everything
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fast forward 10 15 years where every
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single car you buy has like two or three
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giant screens in them and still people
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are flipping things to ventilation
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you know ports so they can look at their
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tiny phone screen and have all the wires
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dangling all over the place that that's
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bad it's not good I'm not quite sure
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what the solution is because I don't
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think you should just let arbitrary
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phones display whatever they want on
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means in the car but that may be
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inevitable the only thing comparison I
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can think of is one that is not
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particularly not a particularly good
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comparison which is radar detectors
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which there are all sorts of laws
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against swell but I don't think we ever
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got to the point where any car
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manufacturer was brave enough to build
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them into the car right so everyone who
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wants to have a radar detector or a
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laser detector or whatever in the days
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before we had ways to tell us where the
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cops are would have a device with a
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suction cup and a cable snaking down
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along their car and it never changed
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from that like even cars with a radar
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you know I don't know if they have the
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sensors built-in for that but you know
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self-driving cars that have ultra senses
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all over them I don't think any of those
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sensors are dedicated to finding a laser
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or a radar speed detection or could even
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be hack to do so and you know the
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current solution is internet and
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crowdsourcing that's how we find that
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but I'm hoping the screen issue resolves
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itself in a better way because unlike
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speed trap detection stuff I think it is
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possible to have a constructive useful
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non law-breaking application of better
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directions inside our cars because most
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cars have some way to do directions at a
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map and and all the stuff we just want
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we just want an environment where we can
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choose the best map for whatever area we
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live in and not have to like the home
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pod or all sorts of other device not
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have to pick the hardware based on what
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software runs on it yeah because and you
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know at first of all like I think this
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is different than the radar detector
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example in in the largest way because
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it's so much more mass-market than radar
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detectors ever were or will be like so
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many more people use cell phone mounts
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in their cars than ever use radar
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detectors you know and because that was
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always such a kind of you know edge case
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for like high strongmen basically and
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and so like you know but this is like
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this is so mass-market like people like
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Apple or Tesla who are like you know
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designing things for cars where that
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that don't accommodate the fact that
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everyone's gonna just use cell phone
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mounts unless they make a better
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solution to put any app on the screen
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I feel like that like that fight has
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already it's already past them like that
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the market has already decided we want
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arbitrary apps to be able to be
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displayed on our phones in our cars and
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that's terrible because it's very unsafe
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like that you don't want people like
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showing like you know a texting app or
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something like we're like watching
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YouTube videos or whatever right like
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there's lots of reasons why that's
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terrible but the reality is people are
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doing it and people will continue to do
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it because for very compelling and
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totally legitimate and safe uses like
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Waze or other navigation apps that's
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such a compelling use that people are
[TS]
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just gonna do it anyway so they might as
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well you know the more pragmatic
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solution here is not to try to you know
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stop people from doing that or try to
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lock people in to just you know your
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built-in thing and your in whatever you
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know gated system you run but to
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acknowledge the fact that people are
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doing this and will do this and try to
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give them a better safer way to do what
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they're going to do anyway the Tesla
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Model 3 of the Interior is correct
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actually throw right into it and it
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doesn't have vents and there is no sense
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where you can clip in your holder so
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you'd have to use like a windshield
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suction cup in it in that case I don't
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know how far away that windshield is oh
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good yeah I don't know if that would
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work so I I started out with a vent clip
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and moved to a suction cup with like a
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little like you know two inch are more
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foreign charm and it for just it's
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because the suction cup thing or the
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event thing just kept falling out as my
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phone got bigger and heavier and and as
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I accelerated harder sometimes but it
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works for me because there was like a
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there's like a flat piece of trim right
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below the vent so I just have it suction
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cup like vertically to that but that
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like I'm kind of worried that whenever
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the next Model S revision comes out
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which is probably I think gonna be in
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time for my next lease I'm a little
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worried they might like change the
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interior like the three and not give me
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a spot to stick a suction cup then
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you'll have to do it on the windshield
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on an even longer arm because the
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windshield is really far away I really
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don't want to do that I really don't
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wanna do that it puts it too too high up
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for me that's what that's that's why I
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reminded me of radar detectors even
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though like you said you know way more
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like it's the ugliness of messing up
[TS]
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your car's interior with this extra wart
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then you have to stick onto it plus the
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Associated cord that's attached to the
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board well that's that's why I resisted
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it for so long like why I just want to
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do the built-in systems for so long and
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then why my first thing was just a
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little you know vent mount because that
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was something I just keep in little like
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center console and just like when I
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wanted to use it take it out take out a
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lightning cable and you know stick it on
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there and use it and then when I was
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done I would take it away and it took
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you know three or four months of that
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before I look alright I'm sold on this
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setup I'm in let me do it right and make
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it less annoying unless finicky and now
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I just have a permanent suction cup
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stuck to the stuck right next to my
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giant touchscreen of my beautiful car
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interior with this permanent or
[TS]
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semi-permanent wire running down the
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side because it just has that much
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utility like it's it's so good it's so
[TS]
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helpful that that's what like that I'm
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willing to tarnish my interior with this
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seven dollar plastic garbage that's next
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to my beautiful screen because it is
[TS]
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just that useful to me one thing that
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could make this slightly less clumsy the
[TS]
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idea of rededicating old devices to
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specific uses the tricky part with
[TS]
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directions is like yeah but who's gonna
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pay for a phone that only lives in their
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car forever right so but some fancy
[TS]
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schmancy cars come with their own like
[TS]
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it cell connections that granted you
[TS]
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have to pay for but you know if you're
[TS]
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paying for an internet connection for
[TS]
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like an LTE connection for your car then
[TS]
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you could reuse and all the iphone with
[TS]
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no sim in it merely going on the cars
[TS]
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Wi-Fi and permanently mounted or an old
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ipad for that matter and permanently
[TS]
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mount it somewhere in your car and have
[TS]
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it be a single purpose device the only
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thing this thing does is runs the Waze
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application and it's permantly plugged
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in and i can route the wire like you're
[TS]
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basically designing your own car
[TS]
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interior i have a dedicated ipod touch
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in my car for music purposes you know I
[TS]
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can Bluetooth play music from my phone
[TS]
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as well but it's nice to have a
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dedicated thing that's always in the car
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always connected always plugged in I
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could see people doing that with with
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directions if it was possible to get to
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work oh yeah III honestly considered
[TS]
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using a cellular iPad Mini for this
[TS]
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purpose because I feel that that's kind
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of like a really good balance like it
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doesn't cost much to have the cell
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on that it's a pretty good-sized screen
[TS]
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bigger than any phone it's like if you
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like if there was a place for that to
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fit in my interior without blocking a
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third of the screen I might have done
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that you've got a model three because
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there's nothing on that dashboard
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playing uh anyway no it's funny you
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bring that up John that because as we
[TS]
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were talking I was thinking to myself
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you know Aaron's car does have an LTE
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connection that we're not paying for and
[TS]
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you can like COFF near a cell cellphone
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store and get a free Android phone I
[TS]
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could get a free Android phone install
[TS]
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only ways on it turn everything else off
[TS]
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installed at Aaron's car and just have
[TS]
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that be our car computer you know
[TS]
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because it supports Android auto as well
[TS]
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and I am almost sure even you know
[TS]
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regardless of the fact that Google now
[TS]
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owns ways I don't think they have near
[TS]
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as many restrictions as far as I'm aware
[TS]
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on Android auto as as Apple does and
[TS]
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thus why couldn't I just get the world's
[TS]
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crappiest you know Android phone I guess
[TS]
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it's kind of redundant isn't it anyway
[TS]
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this is a good test of KC's sense of
[TS]
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injustice about cell phone plans all
[TS]
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right so the watch which is very small
[TS]
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was a great affront because it charged
[TS]
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you however much you charge you yeah the
[TS]
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car is very very big so how much does a
[TS]
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cell connection for your car cost and do
[TS]
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you feel it is okay I think it's the
[TS]
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same or it's double one or the other and
[TS]
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this is why we haven't paid for yourself
[TS]
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like we got our free six gigs whatever
[TS]
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was when we bought the car and I've ever
[TS]
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paid for it since because I also don't
[TS]
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think that's worth the money either but
[TS]
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the car is so big oh my god I'm not
[TS]
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going to entertain this conversation I'm
[TS]
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a hundred percent true no it's not true
[TS]
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because I'm not paying for it how many
[TS]
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watches could fit in them in the mass of
[TS]
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the car all I'm saying is like that I I
[TS]
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firmly believe that it seems more unjust
[TS]
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because the watch is small then it would
[TS]
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for a larger I'm not debating that I
[TS]
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completely grew and so the car is the
[TS]
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largest device how often would you use
[TS]
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the car weighs LTE connection and versus
[TS]
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how often do you use the watch's LTE
[TS]
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connection have you are you actually
[TS]
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using the LTE still yeah two to three
[TS]
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times a week well not for the last two
[TS]
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months because I just had a kid and it's
[TS]
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please now yes anytime I go for a run I
[TS]
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go with only air pods and my watch and
[TS]
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so every time I do that I well I guess I
[TS]
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shouldn't say I am using the LTE
[TS]
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connection but I want to have the
[TS]
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ability to does that make sense so like
[TS]
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if I break an ankle or something I want
[TS]
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to be able to call Aaron and say please
[TS]
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come get me you know I would I would I
[TS]
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would count that as using like if you're
[TS]
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going out without your phone and that's
[TS]
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yeah being connected via LT that that
[TS]
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counts as using it and this is why I'm
[TS]
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paying for it like I'm grumbling about
[TS]
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why grumbled about it I didn't bring it
[TS]
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up this time thank you very much but I
[TS]
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did my grumbling I moved on with my life
[TS]
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this is why I do pay for the watch and
[TS]
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we didn't pay for the car and haven't
[TS]
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paid for the car or the LTE connection
[TS]
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in the car that is because I did the
[TS]
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math if just in a in a figurative sense
[TS]
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I did the math not even literally
[TS]
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arithmetic and I thought you know what
[TS]
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it's very rare that I'm in the car long
[TS]
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enough to justify using its connection
[TS]
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even if I am i can just tether there's
[TS]
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really no need for me to pay for a
[TS]
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connection in the car would it be more
[TS]
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convenient if it was free
[TS]
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absolutely is it worth and I think it's
[TS]
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either 10 or 20 bucks a month I can't
[TS]
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remember which is it worth that money
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you know iPhone or just hook it up to
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your car what-have-you use Android auto
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it but you could you know what I'm
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semi-permanently but I don't think I
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yeah additionally it's clear that
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display that you could buy and so this
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I hypothetically saved myself from a
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detector in years because it's just not
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worth it anymore I don't drive that
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quick I think part of the utility of not
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snaking across your thing
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ask a TP Stephen the cleaning rights and
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this is continuing in our car theme our
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advanced safety features found in cars
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comparable across manufacturers features
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that use technology like lane departure
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warning forward collision warning and
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blind spot detection are offered in BMWs
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however you are supposed to pronounce it
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are they equally as effective or are
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they much better in more expensive cars
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how can one compare I don't know the
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answer to this question and I think it
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would be a really fascinating test if
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only I knew someone who did car videos
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from time to time but anyway I I think
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it's a really interesting question but I
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have to imagine that they're nearly
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identical different kind of worms but if
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driving you're just talking about like
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you know panic stopping on behalf of the
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driver or something like that you know
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nudging the driver back into the lane if
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they're starting to drift
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I would assume and imagine that they're
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not that different between both luxury
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with that let's start with Marco I mean
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John will tell us the real answer here I
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be sold to multiple car manufacturers
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that's what I so like like you know like
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there's like there's you know a small
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number of companies that make these
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kinds of systems and then they sell them
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to BMW and Mercedes and it like you know
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like they sell the same thing to models
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of people so I'm sure some people have
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their own stuff or have exclusives deals
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on some of the things but some of the
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features probably are literally
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identical because they're literally
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using the same modules and same software
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and and some of the stuff like you know
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you mentioned like you know lane
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departure warning blind spot detection
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that actually doesn't seem that hard to
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do like the blind spot detection we're
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just kind of like lights up a little
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warning light on your sideview mirror
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when somebody's in your blind spot like
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that I don't think is very complicated
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that seems pretty reliable and pretty
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easy easy to do these days
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so like stuff like that I wouldn't
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expect a lot of variation between
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manufacturers some of the harder things
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like automatic emergency braking like if
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you're about to hit a wall and tries to
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stop that that kind of thing I would
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expect to vary a little more obviously
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as cases anything that tries to steer
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for you like Tesla's autopilot thing I
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would expect that too to vary a lot more
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because it's just a more complex problem
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so John what's the real answer oh I
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don't know I asking me because in the
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same way every car magazine well in the
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same way that I have never owned a car
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that doesn't have three pedals unlike
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everyone else in this podcast I've never
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owned a car with any of these features
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lane-departure forward collision blind
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spot detection I have never had a car
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with any of those features in it so I
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I've been in the same way with the stick
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shift I have been intentionally avoiding
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those features because as far as I've
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been able to tell from reading things
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about them and being in other people's
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cars that have them they can be super
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annoying if they can't be turned off and
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if I'm turning them off then why the
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hell am I paying extra to get them so I
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that's a John it's so I'm I have thus
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far avoided getting them it's not to say
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that I think they're bad I think they
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are good especially the things I like
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you know will brake automatically for
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you if you're not paying attention and
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stuff like that but I mean and the only
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ones that even been offered on cars that
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I've got are the ones that just use like
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lane departure right and you know I have
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the pre-tensioning seatbelts and stuff I
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have like things that you know pull the
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seat belt tighter when you're in an
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accident but that's not quite the same
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thing as these active systems as for
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what my impression of how they might be
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on fancy cars which is regular cars as
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with all car technology they come out
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first on the expensive cars and so the
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first first time you're gonna see like
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lane departure whatever that was however
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many decades ago was probably on like a
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BMW or Mercedes or some fancy car right
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it was surely an s-class yeah and those
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those features when they first come out
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are not that great like the very first
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anti-lock brakes which was also probably
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on a Mercedes or something like that
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those anti-lock brakes were not
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that great by the time aunty like bricks
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comes down to the Honda Civic it has
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been refined many many times over and at
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the point that you get down to the
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bottom of the the ranks of cars
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anti-lock brakes are more or less the
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same from Mercedes s-class all the way
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down to a Honda Civic become becomes
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commoditized that doesn't really answer
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the question for these things because I
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think they are not yet come on ties
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especially as Marco pointed out things
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to steer the car for you not even close
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to commoditize but I would say right now
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they're bad on the expensive cars and
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non-existent on the cheap cars so I
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don't like for features like that if you
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run out and get the expensive car just
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to get the feature you're probably
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getting the worst version of that
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feature that is ever going to exist
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whereas if you ignore that feature for a
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couple of decades by the time it
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trickles down to your $15,000 car it'll
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be about the same across the entire line
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across the entire auto industry that is
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self driving is so much more complicated
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I'm not sure if that applies to but
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things like lane departure and anti-lock
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brakes and the front collision warnings
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and even like a auto following cruise
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control yeah radar cruise that I feel
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like you know is filtering down pretty
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well now and maybe it's not entirely the
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same across the lines maybe it's a
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little bit harsher on the bottom ones
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but it's way better than the very first
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radar cruise control that came out you
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know in the 80s or whatever on cadillac
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or whoever did it first I will say that
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on Aaron's car she has you know pretty
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much all of these features and the lane
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departure or leaned control whatever is
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tremendous I love it it will just gently
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nudge you back in the lane and if you
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start to drift a little bit or whatever
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the case may be and it works really well
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I really really like it a lot the panic
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stop what is it called I forget the
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forward collision warning that
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definitely does have some false alarms
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from time to time now the good news is
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it's a false alarm that's where it tries
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for just a flash to stop when it doesn't
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need to and I'd rather that then it you
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know just to see oh I'm sure it's great
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and then we plow into a wall you know
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Wow and in it you know kind of just it
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like instantaneously stands on the
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brakes for you and then immediately
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let's go oh wow boy is that startling
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oh my word is that startling yeah that
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would scare the crap out of me like I
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have I have like the audible alerts and
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I and my car offers automatic emergency
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braking but I've never had it engaged I
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mean all at all I I do think it is good
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and worth it because God forbid I'm not
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paying attention and something happens
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but there are definitely some false
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alarms on it and that's kind of
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frustrating and that actually reminds me
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that on the Grand Cherokee that I
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briefly borrowed before I got the Julia
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I noticed that every time I was at a
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stoplight I think I might have talked
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about this on the show I was at a
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two-lane stop yesterday I'm making a
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left and you know I was adjacent to
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somebody I would start to make the left
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and it would go berserk because I
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thought I was I was having a collision
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with the person next to me and that was
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but that's the only instance I can think
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of where I've seen dramatically
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different behavior on safety stuff
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between different different
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manufacturers but I as we've all said I
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think self-driving is a totally
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different conversation that has not yet
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really been standardized the next one is
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mostly from Marco this is Geoff Cooney
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writing what is the deal with Leica
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cameras I've always loved their
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industrial design particularly the M
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models but upon doing some research it
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seems like their features in spray specs
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are no better than other cameras from
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leading companies like canon or sony
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that cost thousands of dollars less what
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am I missing about these cameras that
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commands this exorbitant premium I don't
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know anything about like the cameras
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other than that they look pretty and
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that they're super duper expensive so
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I'm actually kind of curious as well
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Marco what's the story here like has
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they have some really impressive
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engineering and they have built up a
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really strong reputation for a very long
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time among high-end usually like more
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artsy or hobbyist photographers not
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necessarily pros because they don't
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quite make gear that would satisfy most
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like pro needs if you're like a wedding
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photographer or something like you know
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you probably not using a Leica for lots
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of reasons but the they are very very
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expensive and some of that you are just
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paying for the brand but they do have a
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lot of good qualities that make them
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compelling to certain people some of it
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is just like if you have a lot of money
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like you go like it like some I've heard
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I've heard them called dentist cameras
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but Wow yeah but and I I should clarify
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I have very little experience with them
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I rented an m9 for Christmas a few years
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ago I actually made a big blog post with
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some simple pictures about it and and I
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with them is that like the raw specs of
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it were not very competitive especially
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for the price things like the sensor
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like the noise performance and the
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resolution on the sensor was nowhere
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near competitive with good sensors that
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you know of the same time frame things
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like you know the burst rate and
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features like like I don't think any of
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them offer video you know or least they
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didn't for a long time it it seems like
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you're paying a really high price for
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not top-of-the-line technology within
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them but what really impressed me about
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like a back then and what still
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impresses me today about them is two
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major areas number one the optics in
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their lenses are just incredible now
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when I when I when I rented the m9 and
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vert this post back in in Christmas of
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2012 Sony the Sony Fe II series was not
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really quite there yet I think it either
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wasn't out or was it was just the very
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first models and Canon had not updated a
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lot of their lenses the way they have
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recently and so at back then in 2012 the
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Leica M lenses were some of the best
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lenses you could get in the industry and
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to get the like what blew me away with
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with my rental of it was the sheer
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optical quality that this like basic
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small lens provided it was it was a 35
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millimeter you know f2 prime something
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zoom Acron something I don't know
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like I mean that's it this is why I
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rented a but it was still like the
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optical quality blew me away now today
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we have a lot more options that also
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provide really good optical quality like
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basically in the last you know five
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years or so there's been a huge
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revolution in lens design especially
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coming out of Sony and then later on
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and unfortunately Nikon people I haven't
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been following Nikon that closely I
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apologize again but you know clearly
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like the the massive upgrade in lens
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quality and in krez Ellucian especially
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coming out of Sony and Canon over the
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last few years has been astronomical and
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so like now I feel like you can get
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similar optical quality if not even
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maybe better optical quality out of
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lenses from other manufacturers but back
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then you couldn't so that was one thing
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that blew me away that's still like I'm
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looking looking at this blog post I made
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like still to this day it's still really
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really good optics and really good
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pictures coming out of this the second
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thing that like it has going for it a
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lot of the times is that the way a
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camera interprets the data coming off of
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its sensors is not all the same between
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different camera manufacturers every
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manufacturer and oftentimes even between
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different models have different ways of
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interpreting the the raw sensor data and
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then they have different ways to apply
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things like color tone and color balance
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and contrast and sharpening and things
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like that you know the what you get off
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the raw sensor is not anywhere close to
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the final picture with any camera iPhone
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all the way up to you know like a em
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whatever like us processing of the
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photos is just really appealing to me
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and a lot of people like the way it
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renders colors the way it renders
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contrast and things like it just makes
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really nice pictures without a lot of
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effort without having to do a lot of
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post-processing on them or without
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having to like manually tweak a lot of
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the colors and color balance and
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everything else it's again this is
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another ones area where it's a lot of
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interest personal preference like like
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TIFF does not like the way my Sony
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cameras render colors she she she can't
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get the color balance she wants out of
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my Sony's I can't get the color balance
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I want out of canons it's it's it's a
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personal preference and Leica has its
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own color balancing that it does that to
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me is just incredibly appealing and and
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that's been one of the only things
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that's ever really tempted me to give
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that another try maybe and maybe even
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buy one is just like the color rendering
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is just incredible on them and and the
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way it renders tones and everything it's
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just really nice so there's areas about
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that aren't just about the specs and
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this it's hard for it especially because
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I was getting into this at this hobby
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and as I've developed over time you know
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in this hobby it's been hard for me to
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learn that and and to feel that that
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like to me it was so much all about
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specs for so long but now I'm realizing
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like there's more to it than that and so
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the appeal of Leica in part it is yes
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like you know like a rich dentist slash
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hipster thing because they're cool but
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it's there's reasons that you would buy
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it that aren't just because it's cool
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like it actually backs that up with
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really nice photo processing really nice
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you know tones and colors and everything
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and it's just stunningly good optics in
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most of their lenses so that being said
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there's also a couple other like you
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know they have so many different models
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now it's hard to keep track so
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everything I just said was based on my
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experience with the m9 that's been
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updated lots since then there's other
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full-frame rangefinder models there's
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there they have a couple of mirrorless
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ones I don't know if they have
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interchangeable lens yet it's hard to
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keep track honestly because they
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actually do a fair number of models
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these days they have some that only
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shoot in black and white and actually
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have to play with that one that the
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black and white only one it was like
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some kind of like meryl asthenia direct
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competitor to the Sony rx1 what blew me
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away about it was compared to at the
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time my a7 r2 that I had it was way more
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responsive like you could the viewfinder
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it was like the difference between like
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15 frames per second and 60 frames a
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second like it was like the viewfinder
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was like just it was like looking
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through a piece of glass like it was
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even though it was electronic you know
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looking through a sensor it was just so
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such a high refresh rate so should i
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frame rate was just precise fast you can
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snap pictures just boom boom boom boom
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boom it would not slow down it just
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handled really well it was very
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satisfying to use and again the tones I
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that I saw out of that graph this was
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like literally playing with a friend's
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camera at a conference for five minutes
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so I didn't get a lot of use out of it
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but like it was very compelling and if
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at the time I had a need for a fixed
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lens camera that you couldn't change
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lenses on where I actually wanted that
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particular lens I would have seriously
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considered that so yet more qualities
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that cameras can have that are not about
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specs and that are hard hard to get in
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if you might mention it but you might
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zoom past it because you think it's BS
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or or you don't think that's a speck or
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you don't care but Leica has earned the
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reputation for good reasons they might
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not line up with what you want in a
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camera and they you know it's up to you
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whether you think it's worth they're
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quite high prices but there are reasons
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for it that's interesting
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I'm surprised you don't have one I mean
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you don't know that I don't have one no
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I don't have you also need to call
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attention to this adorable picture of
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baby Adam in this post my little thanks
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for sponsors this week away Linode and
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ero and we'll talk to you next week now
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the show is over
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they didn't even need to begin because
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it was accidental accidental
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research Marco and Casey wouldn't let
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him cuz it was accidentally was
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accidental and you can find the show
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notes a day follow them CAS UIL ISS so
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that's Casey less and a RC own a RM ante
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Marco Arment are a Syracuse
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do we have your baby updates it's mostly
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find actually the thing that's that's I
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maybe not interesting but the the the
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thing that we've been fighting with
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lately is we moved Declan to a toddler
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bed or whatever you call it so basically
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instead of being in a full-on crib he's
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in a bed that he can easily climb out of
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and has been for a few months now I
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forget exactly how long but it's been a
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not insignificant insignificant amount
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of time but over the last couple of
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weeks particularly this is this had
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started before Michaela but it's been
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particularly egregious the last vault a
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few days most especially but egregious
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in general in the last few weeks he'll
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get out of his bed and tell us like come
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to our room record you know whatever the
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case may be and tell us I don't like
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sleep time or I'm hungry or I'm thirsty
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or my favorite legitimate complaints how
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are you addressing this I'm hungry in so
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many in a very very gentle way I'm
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obviously paraphrasing but I'm hungry
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tough noogies he should have eaten more
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before we warned you about this before
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he came upstairs you're not getting any
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more food I'm thirsty is here's a little
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you know cup of water drink it and then
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you're done and then eventually actually
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have gotten to the point of leaving him
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a bottle of water in his room just to
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get away from the I'm thirsty complaints
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you know the answer as well you have a
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bottle of water in your room drink it
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but my favorite is I don't like rest
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time in which case it's like well how do
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you say to a three-year-old tough shit
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this happens every night like you know
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there's no reasoning with them do they
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ever come in and say I missed the love
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that his baby stole for me no not yet
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not yet dark because I feel like that's
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what he's saying maybe maybe it is and
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I'm trying to stay cool about it
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couldn't be the universal kid thing of I
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don't want to go to sleep right now well
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and that's what that's what I've been
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attributing it to genuine well you know
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he's describing this as a change in
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behavior so I'm saying what's changed
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recently in declan's life well it's
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gotten worse since Michaela like you I
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think you're both right to be honest and
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I think I personally come down more on
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marco side but again I think you're both
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right it started before Michaela but got
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worse in the last week or two and my
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favorite is when he comes out of his
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room Declan why are you out of your room
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yeah you can tell like even like what
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Adam does that too sometimes and it's
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like you can tell like you know what do
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you need you can tell the gears start
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turning at that point to come up with
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something say it's so true I mean so one
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one issue is is he's still napping right
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well sort of so right he he has quiet
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time in his room where he is allowed to
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like get out of bed and play quietly or
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whatever and I would say between a third
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and a half of the days he will actually
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sleep for that and the other two-thirds
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we over half to two-thirds he's just
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sitting there playing in his room or in
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his bed yeah so what we found and what I
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think a couple of our friends have also
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found so it seems to be a thing is you
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know obviously like when you're
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transitioning out of nap phase really
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like yeah yeah yeah you're go to the
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point where most days he shouldn't be
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having a nap and what we found is that
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when we were in that phase the days that
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he would nap would be the days that he
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would just be impossible to keep in bed
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because he just wasn't tired enough like
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it when you start think about that way
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it's like well you're the best thing you
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can do it sounds like you're probably at
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that phase so just stop napping like me
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and and do what you can to make it that
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he does not nap like don't like take a
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long car drive right in the
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mid-afternoon interface and even like
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that like don't like trying to give him
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a chance to nap try to keep him from
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doing that by various activity planning
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or anything because then when bed time
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rolls around he will be tired enough
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that he will just go to bed and and not
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give you as hard of a time about it
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because he'll just be so tired like
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that's what we found you have to think
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about moving his bed time to because
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like I know like you have a routine
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you're like great we have a child and
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the child owes goes to bed at X o'clock
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that is going to change and it's not
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going to change like on its own you have
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to consciously think oh he's not six
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months anymore now he's three should his
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bedtime be different right and repeat
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until they're five and 10 and 13 like
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you can't as much as I love would love
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to do i love the naps I love being let's
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put the kids to bed at 7:30 with that
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sadly does not last yeah I don't know I
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mean it's fine and the grand scheme of
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things things could be so much until
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until they encroach on every waking hour
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well life's like wait a second if by the
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time the kids are in bed it's time for
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me to go to bed when is my time you're
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like that's right it's gone it's gone
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isn't it no naps and they go to bed at
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the same time as you welcome to your
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so anyway so what you ordered Shake
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Shack I'm still jealous so TIFF and I
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have you know we go on special occasions
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on time to the Shake Shack normally our
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order is a Shack burger each which is
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the cheeseburger like the basic like one
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patty cheeseburger
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which is somewhat small so a Shack
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burger each we share in order of cheese
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fries and we share a black-and-white
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shake solid today we decide because
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every time when you finish that burger
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because it's such a good burger but it's
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also a relatively small burger every
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time you order that you think I wonder
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if I could have gotten away with a
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second burger so today we decided to
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splurge being that his Valentine's Day
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this was our special trip to the city
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just to eat Shake Shack and we got three
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burgers and we cut the third one in half
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so we each had 1.5 burgers that is
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actually a very good choice yeah and it
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turned out we were pretty full but it
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was not like a mistake well you really
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you really uh you know stress yourself
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out a little bit with all the top four
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episodes now you're able to handle that
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much exactly there is the no Shake Shack
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anywhere near me I think the nearest one
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is in DC which is like a two-hour drive
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and it makes me so sad because you know
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as with what is it in and out like in
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and out I think is very tasty but a
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little bit overrated and I think with
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Shake Shack I would say it's less
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overrated but but what I'm driving at is
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that some of the appeal is that it is
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not approximate is that'll work the word
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I'm looking for it's not near me and so
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because it's not near me I seek it and
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yearn for it in a way that I very much
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do for in and out even though I would
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say like you know in and out is good
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where Shake Shack is great I'm surprised
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you asked mark or what he got at Shake
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there's like nothing on that menu they
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expanded it quite a bit over the last
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couple years like there's like as
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they've expanded what well there's
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there's like burgers there's chicken
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sandwich now there's oh there's always
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the mushroom vegetarian sandwich I think
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there's a treatment option now there's
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hot dogs that there's a lot like there's
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no about the hotdog they've got like two
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kinds of burgers a hot dog a bunch of
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different kinds of shakes and fries that
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good and the mushroom burger don't
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forget that I said a bunch of different
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kinds of burgers I get the Shack burger
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to this it's like that's you know I
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don't variety we're just fine
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I like the burger it's a good burger but
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uh it has better fries I don't think
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I've had it and out before I have had
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five guys there's those around here and
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I find them incredibly disappointing I
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don't I don't think five guys is even in
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the same league like to me five guys I'd
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rather just have like McDonald's or
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Burger King or Wendy's like it's it's in
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that it's at that little way you're
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insane Five Guys is so much better than
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McDonald's burger right so hold on so
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five guys if I'm not mistaken started
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either in Virginia in the DC suburbs or
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in DC proper and so I feel some amount
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of need to defend Five Guys five guys to
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me is the kind of burger you have once a
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year because it is this is here's a
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Simpsons reference for you jobs it takes
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you a year to forget how bad it is and
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how worth it it isn't and Shake Shack is
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better but five guys I think is pretty
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good so here's the thing with five guys
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though is that it's so unbelievably and
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unabashedly greasy not to say it's not
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tasty but it's so greasy I don't think
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so I think I think Shake Shack is grease
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easier than five guys let's see I
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haven't had five guys in a while so
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maybe right but the point I'm driving at
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it's like dr. Nick when he was telling
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Homer how to get fat and he just like
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held up a piece of chicken or something
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like that to the wall or to a piece of
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paper or something I don't remember the
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exact reference but you know basically
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says hey if it's see-through then you
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can eat it and that's how you gonna get
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really fat I feel like that's I feel
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like that's five guys yeah and so I feel
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it even if I only have like my typical
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order is a little bacon cheeseburger and
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I say that as I go off and I go again
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like once a year but I feel like after I
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have my little bacon cheeseburger and
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fries I feel like a beach I love that
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it's called a little burger - dude like
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I love it like they make you like trying
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to shame you into not overeating it's
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like they make you say the indignity of
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like can I have the little burger please
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like its shape check if you say The
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Shack burger the Shack burger is
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available in single or double patty but
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the default is single which is probably
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what you should get like you don't have
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to say can I please have the smallest
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burger you have even though that's what
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yeah so anyway so the point of driving
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out is after I eat one I or after I eat
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at five guys I need like six months to a
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year to recover because I feel like a
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beached whale and
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you gotta you gotta train yourself up
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because we get five guys here all the
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time I mean shit we have Shake Shack and
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five guys both close to us so we get
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them both plenty and yeah I think what
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you're thinking with the grease bomb is
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Five Guys fries they're just grease
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bombs and are varying quality and they
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give you like that's the thing about
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five guys they give you
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I think it's must be in their manual
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when somebody artist fries fill up
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whatever cup size they told you to it
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does more but also dump a whole bunch
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more which is fine like as far like
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place it in a bag and then pour more
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fries on top of it such that the entire
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bottom of the bag so your cup of fries
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is padded from damage by other fries and
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I think that's a good corporate policy
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because potatoes are cheap right and
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they've got them stacked up in the thing
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there and they give you more than you
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could ever possibly want some people
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feel like that's generous especially for
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the ridiculous prices everybody charges
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for these rehearse right for you know it
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seems like five guys fans rave about
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their fries a lot honestly I find them
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absolutely nothing special and maybe
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maybe this is just because the five guys
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nearest to us might may be just a
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terrible location like maybe it's just a
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bad five guys but again one area where I
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think Shake Shack has done very well is
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it so far I've eaten that probably five
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or six distinct Shake Shack locations
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and they are remarkably consistent they
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are all that they've all been
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consistently good for me everything
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tastes like exactly the same what are
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you what are your uh Shake Shack fries
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what what kind of that because they've
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changed them and it might be location
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specific we have what used I guess what
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used to be the only kind which is they
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almost look like frozen crinkle-cut
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fries yep all right that's what we have
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to but they they went to shoestring for
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a while near us and it was grim no
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that's that's bad that's bad it can be
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good but their's weren't those we're not
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good so they changed back but but I
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think the griot fries are not
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particularly good oh I think they're
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wonderful to me like Shake Shack fries
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they taste like like frozen fries from
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your childhood except done really well
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and also I don't find them greasy really
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at all like you know beyond what you
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know the minimum required to deep-fry
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something but like you know where Five
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Guys fries I feel like could make a
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piece of paper clear by just going near
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that piece of paper I Shake Shack fries
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really don't seem greasy at least five
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guys has the Cajun option if you get
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sick of the regular fries
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yeah but Shake Shack fries are so good
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you don't get sick of them you
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put cheese on top of them and the cheese
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fries are really good no the cheese is
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gross it's like Cheez Whiz like it's
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Casey's Velveeta it's nope it's kind of
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it's it's like it's lighter in color
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than like a slice of American cheese or
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like most nacho cheese sauce I don't use
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food it's definitely some kind of you
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know well it is because it melts very
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well but it's it's a really nice like
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somewhat mild cheese sauce these
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distributions always really nice and
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they give you that little wooden stick
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to pick up the fries with it's so good
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i'm with marco in this however i do need
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to also bring up for those of us who are
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from mr. Velveeta was the fake cheese
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surprise surprise I also need to bring
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up for those of you who live south of
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the mason-dixon specifically in or
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around North Carolina there's a chain
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called cookout wherein you can get a
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truly heinous amount of food for a
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hilariously small amount of money and if
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you've never experienced cookout but
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have the opportunity you need to try it
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and cook out their burgers taste
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guess what like you had just cooked them
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at a cookout or as some people is it
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where is it that they call any sort of
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like picnicky cookout thing of barbecue
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which is completely bananas is that the
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northeast of the whole country except
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for the south BBQ is its own thing
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anyway honestly I gotta say I don't like
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I don't and I'm using the lowercase
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version of the cookout word here I don't
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like cookout burgers most of the time
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burgers I in my opinion are best made on
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a flat griddle surface whereas when you
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put it on like that the rack of a grill
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especially the way most people you know
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most most people or just amateur you
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know barbecue cooks or grill cooks
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whatever whatever word you use for the
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that large metal box that you would put
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hamburgers and hot dogs in for me my
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move is always to go for the hot dogs
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because first of all it they're they're
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less filling usually so like you can
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have just one or you can have two
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depending on how hungry you are you get
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a more room for the side dishes which
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are always better or one and a half if
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you're yeah it's and and hot dogs are
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pretty much impossible to screw up that
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whereas burgers on people's grills are
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always usually they're way overdone
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they're also usually way underseasoned
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and a hot dog you put it on the grill
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it's already cooked you just need to
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and maybe you get a little bit of like a
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split on the skin like a little bit of
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the bubbly nice on the skin from the
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heat and that's it you put it in a bun
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you put anything or nothing on it and
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it totally takes the the barbecue cook
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out of the equation unless they like
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seriously horribly burn it but that's
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pretty rare and pretty hard to do all
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I'm saying is if you're ever in a
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position where you can go visit a
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cookout get yourself a cookout tray I
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mean you can can they consider a full
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quesadilla as a side item that's what
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you need to know that's all you need to
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know the whole Faye my whole family can
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eat there for like under 15 bucks it's
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ridiculous I love cookout
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god I love cookout anyway we should
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probably start the show lest I talk
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about food for the entire night you want
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to talk politics we can do that for a
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little while because I'm really fired up
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I mean act now that we talked like fancy
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people's burger chains
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I feel like politics is a much safer
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choice yeah probably
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can we just ban all guns let's just do
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that can we all agree on that good I'm
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glad we talked all right let's start
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with some follow-up and I don't want to
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talk about any of this battery stuff
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anymore so one of you do it I don't want
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to either why are we still doing this I
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don't know I'm talking about it we're
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just I just wanted to give some we're
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still getting feedback about it that
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much is certain I'm talking about it
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here let's talk about people can you
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send us stuff and I just wanted to give
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some representative samples from real
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life listeners covering the spectrum of
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the type of feedback we're getting but
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did I just hear a beer cracker Marco I
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love you so much
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I've never loved you more than I love
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you right now sorry what were you saying
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John I'm saying I didn't practice how to
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pronounce these people's names because I
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don't think I'd be doing it sound you
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don't have to do it we can skip doing it
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just gonna go with bigger ditch I need
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more beers to open oh my god that's
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close you gotta try so we have some
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follow-up about my task managers it's
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just you just gotta read them that's all
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we have to do it's not complicated
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there's no discussion required you just
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have to read the feedback oh god why are
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we so talking about the batteries I
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don't know we're not talking about it
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we're reading feedback that's talking
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three items there there there needs to
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be no discussion about it we can can we
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read in our minds and then not talk
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here we go here we go I'm over it I'm
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over here we go here we go this is we're
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gonna speedrun it one person said done
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and done so I've really reason I picked
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these three things as big as the
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representative of the entire spectrum
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one person saying my battery's great and
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I have terrible problems one person
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saying that you know I had slowdowns I
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fix it with clean install one person
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saying I had slowdowns gonna fix it with
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the battery thing I just want to put
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that out of it because lots of people
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think that the various descriptions of
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things that might happen that we offer
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on the show are fictional or
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hypothetical or completely one-sided
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every possibility is encountered for by
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people that's we're trying to express in
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these shows you think you know exactly
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how everybody is handling it's always
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throttling it's never throttling and
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cleanness all always fixes that clean
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install never fixes that battery always
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fixes it better than that it's not true
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we're getting real accounts of all these
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different occurrences so this is
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actually a complicated nuanced issue and
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I'm sorry for all the people who think
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it is 100 percent whatever their bet
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theory is I hereby declare this topic
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done serious permanently done I have to
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say why you brought it up John but alpha
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particle in this we're done all right I
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was talking and I guess it made it in
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the show I never listen to show after
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it's released I was talking under the
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influence of a beverage or two about my
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my photo management Swift Console app
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and one of the things I've said is that
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I wanted to verify that if I find a name
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collision whether or not those two files
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are the same file and the reason I made
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some of the choices I made is because
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this app was written just for me and in
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my particular scenario all of the final
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versions of the files are stored on my
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Synology I'm a network attached storage
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and so what I was saying was hey I want
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to md5 all these files to make sure
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they're identical or not make decisions
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based on that and more than a few people
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wrote in to say usually very very nicely
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you friggin idiot the first thing you do
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is check the size of the files and then
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you worry about md5 in them which was
[TS]
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really annoying because I should have
[TS]
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thought of that myself and didn't so I
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didn't mention it because I assumed you
[TS]
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were doing that so yes you should feel
[TS]
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shame I feel shame and I am admitting it
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honestly I'm with you Casey I would not
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have thought of that like yeah just
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check the file sometime only md5 at the
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file size as a match I probably wouldn't
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have thought of that no you totally
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would have done when you
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writing the code you feel you're like
[TS]
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wait a second why don't you like alright
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god I feel it's impossible I feel it's
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impossible to write that code and
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actually have your fingers tied but
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without going wait a second well I could
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tell you it is not impossible because I
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did it but no all kidding aside it was
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truly it was an obvious answer that I
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just really did not think of so I
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appreciate all of you writing in and I
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am if I have felt and continue to feel
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the appropriate amounts of shame now the
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final follow-up topic everyone in their
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mother also wrote in to tell Marco that
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they have the one true task management
[TS]
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advice or app or what have you
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Marco did you try any of them and do you
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care I tried I think three or four
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different grocery list apps we had lots
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of recommendations for these I I didn't
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try anything to replace things as my
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main to-do app because I tried enough of
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those already and honestly trying to do
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apps giving them like a real shot is so
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time-consuming and cumbersome that I
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don't want to try million of them like
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I'm very happy with things now it's fine
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so for the grocery list role you know I
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mentioned that I use clear and I've been
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using clear for years and it's been fine
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but I would like something that has Siri
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integration so I can quickly add to my
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list so a bunch of people wrote in and
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suggested a lot of different apps that
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make grocery lists and do things in a
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smart way I found all of them to be
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produce then dairy like it's it's a very
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complicated salu
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custom apps that try to be smart about
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grocery shopping that's too much for me
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entry and maybe sharing for clear that's
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it a basic list that I can drag to
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reorder myself I you know all the
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intelligent stuff it was it's kind of
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the website like you you can just enter
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often just guess wrong or just get in my
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there's a lot of places where this is
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enough but better on average like
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for the ones that would rearrange
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themselves intelligently there were just
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as many times where it guessed wrong and
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maybe if I use them for longer periods
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of time they would learn better and and
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they would get better you know whichever
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want to use most would like really learn
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me and my stores but I found the process
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so cumbersome to use them and so
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uncompelled I don't want to use them for
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any longer I like I'm fine just using a
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very simple list app now which so far is
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clear and I hope the next version is
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clear which I here is being worked on I
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hope it adds stuff like sharing and Siri
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for sponsoring our show today there has
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been all sorts of drama about how you
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hold the home pod incorrectly or
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something well your shelf or table holds
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the home pasta really well dot all this
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time who knew that we were supposed to
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be using coasters under our home pods
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obviously we are at fault here we should
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have known that yeah who knew so
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basically when people place their new
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home pods which actually quick aside did
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either of you get a home pod yet because
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so I'll tell you what oh here we go what
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else did you do in the city today on
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sometimes the UPS man just comes to
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Marco's house and has things happens yes
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their connection with Marcos actions not
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conclusive what you do Marco I don't
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have a home pod I will - I will say that
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yes but I did think if I want to try it
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out there is a I was under the
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impression under the under the
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conclusion so far that there really was
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no place in my house that I could really
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use one and that actually is not correct
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next to the echo I have a Sonos play:1
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not the new Sonos one that has the the
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built-in Alexa integration not that but
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the the old Sonos play:1 that is just
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the speaker just the sono speaker and I
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have it there because when you know cut
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like two years ago now I started trying
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out so knows to build an overcast
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integration and and they were kind
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enough to send me some units to test
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with and everything and so I have the I
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have a few of those in the house and I
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needed a place to put it so I put it
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next to the echo
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I hardly ever used the sono stuff and
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when I do I hardly ever play things out
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of that output usually it's out of the
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living room output so I have a you know
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short squat white speaker that is better
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for music than assistant type things
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already sitting next to my echo so I
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could just remove the Sonos play:1 and
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put a home pod there and then I can
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continue using the pair of them the way
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I have been using the pair of them so
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far which is I use the Amazon echo for
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kitchen timers and that kind of personal
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assistant stuff at the home pod is maybe
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not so great at and especially timers
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come on why is that come on and then I
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could theoretically then use the home
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pod for music there I haven't done this
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yet but if I wanted to try one out and
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eventually you know I hope I hope so
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much that this summer at everybody see
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we hear of new sirikit intents that
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involve audio playback services I really
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really hope Fame and honestly my hopes
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are not that like or rather my
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confidence is not that high I don't
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think we're gonna actually get that I
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really hope I'm wrong though I really
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hope we do if we do then overcast has
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something to do on the home pod and so
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I will have to get one for testing so
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that will be a sensible place to put it
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but until that happens and unless that
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happens I'm still not that compelled to
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try it but if I did put a home pod there
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that is actually a finished MDF wood
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piece so I don't think I would create a
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ring and if I did create a ring it's
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already white so it wouldn't really be
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visible so to back up the issue that's
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that's at hand is that people are
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starting to notice that when you set
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your home pod on some kinds of wood or
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maybe treated wood maybe untreated wood
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to be honest it doesn't really matter in
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the grand scheme of things but if you
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see your home pod on wood it will more
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likely than not leave a ring from the
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base of the home pot on the wood so I I
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don't see how there's really a lot of
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argument or discussion about this like
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this seems like it's bogus and it's a
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poor design and a lot of people are
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saying no no no no no you should put
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this on a coaster or a doily or
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something like that but who's saying
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that who says that oh you'd be surprised
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John I'm lucky I must be a good doing a
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good job of curating my Twitter fall
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because I have not seen a single person
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say I I gotta say there's there's a lot
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of people out there who feel like it's
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their job to explain Apple to everyone
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and sometimes this is a wonderful
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service and sometimes it's just people
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basically being Apple's PR department
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for them and I don't think that's
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healthy for anybody that's not healthy
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for Apple it's not healthy for people
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trying to make like you know a writing
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or blogging or analysis career and it's
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not health and it isn't healthy for the
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audience you know in fact I wanted to
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give a shout out here there's there's a
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podcast called the menu bar that was
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that was I think reintroduced it
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restarted a few weeks ago spoiler I'm
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gonna be the guest on it next week and
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so this is partially you know some
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promotional but I suggest you listen to
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the menu bar eat it is a very very very
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good angle of Apple critique and not
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just Apple it actually is a critique of
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the entire tech industry there's a
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really like a fresh take of Apple
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critique on the menu bar that I
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is worth hearing and because it isn't
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just like oh the keyboard sucks oh you
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know the home pod blah it's not that
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it's not the kind of stuff like if
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you're tired of me criticizing Apple
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it's not that like this the way I do it
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like they do it in a much better way and
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a much more interesting and constructive
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and and thoughtful way so I strongly
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suggest checking out the menu bar
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podcast I'll put a link in the show
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notes and I'll have it appear here in
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the chapter are basically the reason
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that I brought up is the one of the
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things they said in a couple of the
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episodes now is that they don't feel
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like they need to basically like be
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Apple's PR department you know for them
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anytime Apple does anything wrong
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fans and sometimes writers and mostly
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honestly just fans a certain subset just
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thinks it's their job to jump out there
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and defend Apple in ways that Apple
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doesn't need to be defended
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like if the home pod has this problem
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which it certainly appears that it does
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this is absolutely the like it's a flaw
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it's simple as that like it's not gonna
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like end the world it's not gonna make
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the home pod a flop it's not gonna cause
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some kind of massive recall or anything
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it's an embarrassing flaw we heard for
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months that the home pod Hardware has
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been done for like a long time and they
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were just waiting on the software the
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hardware is done it's awesome it's
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perfect and then there's a hardware
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problem there's an actual hardware flaw
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that shipped and and not a not a small
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one it just seems like it's just yet yet
[TS]
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another thing about this product launch
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that's just sloppy and rushed and
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apparently the hardware wasn't done well
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enough or they found this problem and
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decided it wouldn't matter and shipped
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anyway kind of like when they knew that
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the MacBook keyboards were bad from the
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first MacBook I decided to bring them
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across the whole lineup anyway somewhere
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like things are falling apart in weird
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ways flaws are getting shipped that
[TS]
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should not get shipped that is cause for
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concern even if this particular flaw you
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don't think is that bad or doesn't
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affect you we are seeing a lot of
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embarrassing flaws that get out the door
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and it seems like either this product
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was not tested to the degree that we
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heard that it was and the hardware was
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as recently or as far back as we heard
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it was or if any of the employees who
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had these take home units that we heard
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about that they were all over campus or
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you know all over people's houses like
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certainly somebody must have had this
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issue and must have reported it and so
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either they didn't do enough testing or
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they found this issue and decided not
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only was it not worth addressing and by
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changing the the foot of the home pod
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changing the material or adding some
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kind of like pad or something you know
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not only was it not worth addressing in
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the hardware but it wasn't even worth
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mentioning anywhere in the manuals and
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anything like that
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it's something's wrong there like
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mistakes are getting out that should not
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get out that's that I think ultimately
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big picture not just the home pod ring
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of death or whatever that is the more
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concerning thing to me about Apple right
[TS]
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now and that when these flaws come out
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one of the main reactions from people
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both inside and out is defensiveness not
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actually going back and getting these
[TS]
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problems fixed one interesting theory I
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heard is that it's not actually a design
[TS]
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problem but a manufacturing problem and
[TS]
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that some manufacturers responsible for
[TS]
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making that smushy little ring cheaped
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out in a way they thought wouldn't be a
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parent but ends up being a parent and it
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could be that all the Apple people who
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got the take home things got the good
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properly manufactured rings in the bombs
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they didn't have this problem but then
[TS]
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the mass production ones like you know
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some supplier cheap doubt nothing that's
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also that's obviously also apples
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responsibility but I can think of all
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sorts of ways how this can get out you
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desks why has like why hasn't that
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makes me think like like do you think I
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think I mean obviously the home cut we
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expect them to test this right that's
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what we're getting at it's like you'd
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like you know this thing is going to be
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sitting on people's furniture all over
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the place like it's the whole point of
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this device right but I think when I saw
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this I think about do you like Apple
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tests whether the feet
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on my Mac Pro markup furniture I mean I
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guess they don't because there's not a
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much expectation that the Mac Pro my
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cheese grater is going to be all over
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the house and all sorts of different
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kinds of furniture it's basically gonna
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be on desks or underneath desks do you
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think they test with a little rubber
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feet on the bottom of iMacs markup
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things that they're put on I'm also
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going to guess that they don't like not
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that they don't test that at all
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materials but they don't basically don't
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test it at all because I don't know it
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just doesn't seem like it because it's
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not a product like the home pod where
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they show it literally unlike here we're
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gonna put it on your you know end table
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or on your whatever right so that's why
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I think it is it's much more relevant to
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the home pot but it does make me realize
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that this blind spot in and you know
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probably extends to a lot of their
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products like for everything from from
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the plastic that they make their cords
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out of to all the different feet on
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probably the feet on laptops they do
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test in the same way that they that you
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expect them to taste the home pot but I
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bet they don't test it on Macs right I
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mean even if you have a wooden desk like
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I don't know maybe someone should write
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in and tell us do you have a Mac it sits
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on a wooden desk and has marred the
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surface in some way I think it's
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plausible because I honestly don't see
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them testing Mac's on a bunch of
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different desk services whereas the 100%
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should have and perhaps did test the
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home pod also two different services
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it's just weird and here again I think
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it's a it's an instance of arguably an
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instance of a little bit better
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communication up front might've maybe
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not solve the problem it helped the
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problem now I still think it's bogus I
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still think it's bogus that if you sit
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this thing on on wood without putting
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something in between it that a twitch
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that it could screw up the wood like
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that's messed up full-stop but it
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certainly would have been nice and
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somebody else made that and I don't
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remember who was right well yeah and
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maybe was him that said oh you know we
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knew that the jet-black iPhones were
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gonna scratch we knew it upfront we were
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okay with it because we knew what we
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were getting what's the line from it was
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it was Batman Dark Knight where they say
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you know if you something along the
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lines of Joker says you know if you
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expect something people or totally fine
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it's when something unexpected happens
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that they lose their minds and and so
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you can expect that you're brand new you
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know eight hundred all our iPhones going
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him come and that's cool because we know
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what's gonna happen but you know you you
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don't expect this ring just show up and
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everyone loses their minds and I would
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too I'd be upset I don't think it's
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entirely about expectations though like
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I understand the communication angle but
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I think the comparison to the phone just
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highlights how how different this is
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right so whether people are aware of it
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or not the trade-off that Apple is
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making with the phone that scratches
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more an apple does advertise this but
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doesn't connect it up as much is that
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you know they made softer glass in the
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hopes that it won't shatter
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less often right so that's a trade-off
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that they're making they're like you can
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make the glass really really hard but
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then it's more likely to shatter if you
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make it softer it's more likely to
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scratch that that's a trade-off that
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they have made do because they
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advertised about how much more durable
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and less likely to shatter the iPhone 10
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and isn't they also tell you it will
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scratch more and they don't connect the
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two of them for you but I'm pretty sure
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they're connected right so all right
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that's you know and then they warn you
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upfront that's communication right for
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the ring thing even if they had warned
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me I'd be like oh thanks for telling me
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I shouldn't buy this because there is no
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trade is the sound better because it
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makes rings on my furniture I don't
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think it is I don't think there's any
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connection is it made of a magic
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material that makes it better than a
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non-marking rubber I don't think it is
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right there is no trade-off it's just
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plain simple something bad about it and
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you could say if they had warned I would
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say it's great that I know us know this
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while I wait for my defective unit to be
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replaced for free Apple thanks for
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warning me but I'm not going to take it
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as oh they warned me and so now I think
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it's okay it's not okay because as far
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as I can tell there is no trade off it's
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not a design decision it is a mistake
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and it is a mistake that can cause
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cosmetic damage to things in your house
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and that I feel like is unacceptable I
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don't think Apple will recall these
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because of it but honestly I kind of
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think they should if they really want to
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have a reputation as a company that
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stands behind its products basically
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they should say we're not gonna recall
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all of them but if your home pod marks
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up your furniture send it back to us and
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we'll send you no more the foot doesn't
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mark it up that's the right thing to do
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as far as Apple is concerned as far as
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I'm concerned for Apple to do or they
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just keep everybody like a doily or a
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coaster to put it on a fine Corinthian
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leather coaster no they don't they mean
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you need to not have things that mean
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it's not a glass of it's not a glass of
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iced water it's gonna sweat and leave a
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ring like it there's no water it's just
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it's a it's electronic device
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it shouldn't leave rings on wood
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furniture I'm sorry I'm guessing we get
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no actual response from them on this but
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who knows I mean well no we did get a
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response because they put in a new fuse
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it was typical defensiveness
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the response was you're holding it wrong
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cleaning cleaning and taking care of
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yeah the response was you should
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refinish your table yeah where to place
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your home it's not unusual for any
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speaker with vibration damage silicone
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base to leave the mild marks one place
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them is you think it's not unusual I
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don't know it seems pretty unusual to me
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like I I have to think there is a
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vibration damping material that you can
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put on the bottom of a speaker that does
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not mark wood services right I mean lots
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of you know this one lots of speakers
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use the really really pointy feet which
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would leave like actual holes in your
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things you know but at least that's
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obvious when you see the really really
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point it just doesn't seem to me that
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there that that material is so special
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that there is no replacement that would
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it would you know it would it would
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impair that speaker's sound quality if
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they used a different kind of rubber I
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don't see that and honestly I think the
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PR response to this is poor well in
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their defense as we record there's been
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like an afternoon and evening worth of
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time for their to have a response
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because this just broke earlier today
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did it not yes okay so I mean let's give
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them a little slack there may be some
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sort of response cop yeah now we don't
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we don't know what their reaction is
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gonna be I'm just saying that the the
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reaction thus far seems insufficient to
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me and there's no again it's not they
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need to recall them all like defective
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airbags and cars or something if someone
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has it and it's sitting on a you know a
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piece of furniture that it doesn't mark
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there's no reason to recall that
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person's thing or whatever but if
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someone has one of these and it leaves a
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mark on their furniture they should be
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able to say Apple take this back and
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give them our money back or which they
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can do if they're inside the return
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window or Apple take this back and give
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me one that doesn't leave a ring and
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Apple should do that I'm not even going
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so far as to say all Apple has to pay
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for the damages to your furniture which
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would also be nice but is a little bit
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unfeasible in terms of logistics but no
[TS]
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it's it they it's a mistake I'm you know
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it's probably an honest mistake I can
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imagine how this slipped through but
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it's not acceptable there is no this is
[TS]
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not a design trade-off like phone
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screens that scratch a little easier in
[TS]
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exchange for not shattering as much
[TS]
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would you guys do you have any thoughts
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tear downs those were done between last
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episode and this one so we didn't talk
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about a lot I don't think I was
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surprised by what was in there right
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it's kind of it's very interesting to me
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like to see a lot of a lot of a way
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that's the way that it's structured and
[TS]
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built I think one of the one of the
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weird surprises for me is how none of
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the speakers fire outwards
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like the woofer fires up and the tweeter
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is fired down like the whole middle of
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it you know it's covered in cloth so you
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kind of get the feeling it's like one
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big speaker but in fact the speakers are
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firing out of the top and bottom out of
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little vents and there's nothing firing
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out the sides the sides are just solid I
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thought we had seen some sort of
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indication like during WDC of what this
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looked like inside at least
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approximately so I'm not I'm not too
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terribly surprised by that but I to be
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honest I did not get a chance like the
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teardown so I don't really know what I'm
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Oh also while we're on the subject of
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tear downs gotta also give massive shout
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out to the season finale of this season
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of welcome to McIntosh the podcast by
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mark Graham Hill that it was it was an
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interview about interview with the
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founder of iFixit who does these
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wonderful tear downs about repair
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ability and you know long-term
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recyclability of our devices it was
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really good and really makes you think
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about things like a waste and and the
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way these products are being built and
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manufactured and designed and and how
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that you know there are ways you can
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design something for repair ability and
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then later recyclability and there are
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ways that you can make that harder or
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impossible and you know Apple seems very
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split on this issue like there's
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obviously parts of Apple that care
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deeply about the environment and about
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recyclability of things but a lot of
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their Harvard designs are very hard or
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impossible to recycle some pretty major
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parts they don't necessarily need to be
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done that way so I think it's a very
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like I said I have a place to put it oh
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my god I want to hear how it sounds but
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able to have not been able to secure one
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for less than retail price for
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significantly less than retail price and
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so I'm still back to well I'm not paying
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three four dollars for it so I'm still
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I'm still holding out one thing also you
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know we've had a lot more impressions
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and reviews and and like kind of like
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real real-world test and impression that
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have come out the opinion and the sound
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quality is starting to be get a little
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bit split most people still think it
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sounds amazing but there are some people
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who have heard them and come out of it
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saying I actually don't like the sound
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and I think it's interesting like it
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most of the complaints tend to be either
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the processing is doing something weird
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with the mid-range that doesn't agree
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with their music or their tastes or a
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common complaint is the bass is just too
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prominent and you know it's it's hard at
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the home pod because it does room
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calibration and because it like is
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listening to the bass response and
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dynamically adjusting it and things like
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that and because it does so much
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processing on the audio to try to
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separate the components out into and
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into different positions in the room and
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everything because it's so complex like
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that it's really hard to get an idea of
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what it sounds like
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because it could sound like lots of
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different things and and it whether the
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sound works for you can be highly
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dependent on what the home pod has
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calibrated to for your room and also how
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its processing things like you know
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centering part of the mid-range that
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thinks it's vocals and then putting
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parts of instruments in the background
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that think those are instruments and
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whether that works for certain songs or
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not it's gonna be a really hard thing to
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get a handle on like whether it works
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for you or not without actually just
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trying one because it's going to vary so
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much and even like trying to test it
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like there was that reddit post where
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like the guy you know did allegedly a
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controlled test although it wasn't that
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controlled and and you know measuring
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its frequency response and distortion
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and things like that but that's really
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hard to test on the home pod because
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it's doing so much processing to the
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sound you really can't get a good handle
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on what it will always output because
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there is no one frequency response or
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one distortion rate that it will always
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output because it's doing things to the
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to the input sounds you know based on
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various intelligence and
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and heuristics and stuff so it's really
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hard to get a solid idea on whether it's
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for you without just listening to it and
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without trying your music in your house
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and you're in the room that you want to
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put it in to see for yourself but I do
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think that not having any tone controls
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is probably a mistake because you know
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the echo doesn't have any tone controls
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as far as I know but the echo sounds
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like garbage so it doesn't really matter
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like no one's seeking good sound quality
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out of that and Amazon's not selling it
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as good sound quality so nose has tone
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controls I think Google who knew who
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but because Apple is positioning this as
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a really good speaker and also because
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they're doing so much
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non-standard processing of the audio I
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think they need to offer some kind of
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basic tone control even with as simple
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as like how much base do you want like
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that I think might need to be a control
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because a lot of people have reported
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that not agreeing with them but it's
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because it's really hard to design a
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speaker that appeals to everybody it's
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even harder when you're doing very heavy
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and and non-standard things to the audio
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not just replaying it out of transducer
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that sounds like a feature and when we
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talked to this before about how you know
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yeah the hardware it's just a question
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of adding software updates to it that
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sounds like a feature that could come in
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a fairly soon in a software update and
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like you said just even just for bass
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response I'm not even saying they're
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gonna throw like give you I mean an
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equaliser because almost every other
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audio thing that Apple sells weathers I
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think iPhones have it in the music app
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don't they will certainly iTunes does
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has an equalizer it's in the Settings
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app yeah it but it's only for music
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played in the music app it doesn't apply
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system-wide and also it isn't a real
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equalizer they don't they only have
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presets they it's like the same like 10
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or 15 presets rock and pop and random
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yeah the same ones that iPods had like
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10 years ago they have not changed and
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there is no actual equalizer for you to
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just like if you want to get in there
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and define your own thing you can't if
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you want to like adjust certain
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frequencies for certain things you can't
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I get the feeling most people just
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probably don't use it yeah but anyway
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iTunes has a full equalizer but they're
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like the home pod like you said it
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doesn't need any closet doesn't need
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presets it just needs
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one slider for bass and that's it yeah
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like that would that would go a long way
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towards making it appeal to a much wider
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range of people and and and I would say
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that it's like should go up as well as
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down because some people want more bass
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than the home pod puts out right I mean
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that's why you know Beats headphones are
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so popular right beyond that I think
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there is not because of all the dynamic
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adjustability stuff there's probably not
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that much more control that you can give
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people because it's like what are they
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even controlling are they controlling
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the final output or they control them
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like the input before the home pod
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decides how it's going to interpret that
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like are they controlling the signal
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before it goes into the home pods
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processing or are they just like you
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know the bass is easy you can just you
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know lower the output to the one big
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speaker that you know most of the bass
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workers are sent to but for everything
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else I think he gets a little bit tricky
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agreed and anyway I feels like a
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no-brainer update to me for a software
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update their bull they widen the appeal
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of this device for the what are you
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talking about the the testing they had
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that blind test that Pogue did oh yeah
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that was pretty good too well here's
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this thing here's the thing about this
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test like you mentioned I think you
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don't wear this on Twitter how
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subjective sound is oh yeah start by -
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some people like lots of bass some
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people like not as much some people have
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certain reactions to certain songs sound
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certain way and it's it's very
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subjective and then doing any kind of
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audio sort of blind testing even though
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David Polk said he well he said I figure
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bridge boarding was but he basically
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said I tried to volume match them by ear
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like cuz that's it very important about
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the thing about sound test is one thing
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we know if you make one speaker selected
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louder everyone picks it as the best no
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matter how bad it sounds like well
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people are very sensitive to volume
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right so it's important for all the
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speakers to be the same volume but the
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way you get them all the same volume is
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probably not listening to them all and
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saying yeah I feel like they're about
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the same volume and furthermore how do
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you even adjust the volume on a thing
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that is dynamically changing how it
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outputs sound based on what it detects
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about the room like how do you even
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adjust the home pod volume it's very
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difficult to do and then finally how
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detest it I put it in front of four
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people that make I guess you get an
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article out of that you know did you put
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in front of 400 people like even if you
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did all you'd be doing is getting a
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survey of what people think of the home
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pod that's why I feel like the frequency
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response things at least it's it gives
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you a baseline doesn't mean that you
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know like frequency response like here's
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here's it ideal here's what it sounds
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like doesn't mean you're gonna like how
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it sounds but at least it's something
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that you can measure so if you know that
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you like speakers that are dead on for
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the you know expect to frequency
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response you will like the home pod if
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it's close to that and if you don't like
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speakers that are like that you won't
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like the home pod so let's someone read
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something and especially with an
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auto-fire audiophile probably know am I
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going to like the sound of the speaker
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because we've done some objective
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measurements on the speaker and then you
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can decide do you like speakers that
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have measurements like this or do you
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not like them and again only audio files
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we know that for everybody else it's
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just kind of a crapshoot you buy it you
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put it in your house where you're gonna
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put it you listen to it and you either
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like it or you don't and if most people
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are comparing to the echo I can't
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imagine anyone not liking it because as
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you said the echo sounds terrible
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because that's not what it's supposed to
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do but for comparing it to Sonos and
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other things that are high-quality I'm
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not sure like if someone was asking me
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should I get a sonÃs or a home pod which
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sounds better I don't think there's any
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answer I can give them that is the truth
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it's like they're both good speakers I
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think you'll have to hear each of them
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in the environment where it's gonna be
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and then return the one you don't like
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which is answer nobody wants to hear but
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that's just the nature of sound I think
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oh absolutely I mean this is what I was
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running on Twitter like first of all
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nobody can really agree on what is like
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a good frequency response like a lot of
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people think oh you want it to be flat
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you don't and people can't agree on what
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the curve should be there's a couple of
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like you know what why they know his
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standards like there's like a Harman
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Kardon one that a lot of like the Harman
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curve that a lot of manufacturers use or
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set as their goal but like I find the
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Harman curve fairly boring because it
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really is weak on the treble side and I
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like I like some some treble strains and
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and I found it a little bit withdraws
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the vocals and I like some vocals and
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and so everyone has different tastes
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M an audiophile who used to compare
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products online by looking at their
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frequency response progress like I made
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so many headphone purchases or avoided
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so many headphones because I looked at
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their frequency response graph and
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thought you know what either either oh
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that looks like something I would like
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or that looks like another Harman curve
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headphone and I'm probably wouldn't like
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that but I have found that frequency
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response graphs can almost never really
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provide useful input for whether
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something will sound appealing to you
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when you actually have it and it's even
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more and that's just with headphones
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headphones are super easy to test and
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very their their output is very
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reproducible because you don't really
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have the room to worry about speakers
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are a nightmare of inconsistency because
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they depend so much on the room and the
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placement of the speaker's and where you
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are sitting around to the speakers that
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it's it's almost impossible to have any
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idea how a speaker will sound and unless
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you actually put it in the room it's
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going in and just try it which is really
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inconvenient speakers because they can
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be quite large and quite heavy and a lot
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of times you've got I just have to buy
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blind and just hope it works out
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fortunately these are you know this kind
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of speaker is much smaller and much
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easier to buy and return if it doesn't
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work out but all this is to say that you
[TS]
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can't look at any measurements or read
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any reviews or for God's sake watch any
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videos like a video is completely
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useless for letting you hear how a
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speaker will sound like I don't know why
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people keep doing this because you know
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going through a different microphone and
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then out whatever your speakers are it's
[TS]
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totally garbage um the only way to
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really know how it will sound and
[TS]
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whether you will like it is to get it in
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your house and just try it and and the
[TS]
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home pod you know it seems like people
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do generally like it so it seems like
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you know your chances are good this will
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probably work out for you if you're
[TS]
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interested but none of these tests are
[TS]
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particularly useful and no frequency
[TS]
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response graph or measurements really
[TS]
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are very useful it for this product from
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so many reasons not not least of which
[TS]
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is the massive processing it does but
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you know also just these graphs aren't
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useful most of the time anyway for any
[TS]
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and to be fair I think the first round
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of reviews struck the right balance
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because mostly the things you want to
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know that are that anyone could tell is
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like how loud does it get without
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distorting because we've all had small
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speakers that strain to be heard when
[TS]
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you're far away and if you crank the
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volume up to max they just start
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distorting heavily like that's I don't
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think you need instruments to measure
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that you can kind of say like you know
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your your iPhone for example your iPhone
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at max volume it's not going to fill a
[TS]
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room with sound you don't need to any
[TS]
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instruments to measure that you can tell
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and is it faithfully reproduce in the
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sound or a max volume is somewhat
[TS]
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distorted and certain frequencies like
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you don't need to be an auto file to get
[TS]
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us out it's not that's not really what
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this song sounds like and at max volume
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it's not particularly loud right so I
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mean obviously this is an extreme right
[TS]
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but anyone home part review said this
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gets surprisingly loud and even at high
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volumes it doesn't start fuzzing out and
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sounding terrible and overall the sound
[TS]
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quality is pretty good and that I think
[TS]
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is the right balance to strike for this
[TS]
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type of review because if you start
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saying things beyond that like direct
[TS]
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comparison with the Sonos play v or play
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one or anything like that it's just too
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subjective to say anything definitive
[TS]
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about until you start getting out them
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the instruments and you know and then
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once you get out the instruments the
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home pod defies you because you stick an
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instrument close to it and it thinks
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it's next to a wall or something and
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just the sound in a weird way and you
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have no idea what's going on that was
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the question with the Sheep they put in
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front of like to be a blind test was the
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home pod detecting that the sheet was
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there even though it's supposed to be
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acoustically transparent does I think
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it's a wall it's trying to bounce sound
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off it and doing something weird who
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knows we have no visibility into the
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black box that is there the black
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cylinder that is the home PI or space
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gray or white anyway I'm still I'm still
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interested to try one in my house and
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see how it sounds but still not
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interested enough to plunk down 250
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bucks that's exactly how I feel and yeah
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I would I was really hoping that mr. I
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all I do is spend money would come
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through for us on this one but I thought
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about it you've led us down John he's
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getting there give him a couple more
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weeks yeah I mean probably but so like
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if I'm honest with myself yeah probably
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by next week's show one more thing to
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consider though is like this is a
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product that has shipped without some of
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its major features they just didn't make
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you know it if you know definitely
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obviously it lacks airplay too that's
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the big one and that also means it lacks
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multi chant or multi speaker stereo
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pairing it lacks multi room and also
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Siri is greatly lacking in a lot of
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areas some small some pretty big it is I
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have a feeling this product is going to
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grow slowly I'm feeling that there's
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gonna be a lot of people who like are
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waiting for one of those things to get
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fixed I would caution people don't buy
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it today unless you are ok with the
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features and Siri that it has today and
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this is not a statement of an apple this
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is a statement about all tech products
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never buy tech products based on future
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software or service promises because so
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often they either don't deliver or they
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deliver really late or incomplete or
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just crappy and so whatever the home pod
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like if you're on the fence about the
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home pod is like well this one
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limitation of Siri you know but they'll
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fix it in a software update assume they
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won't assume they never will fix it if
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you still want it ok it's safe to buy
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but don't buy it based on the assumption
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of some future thing that they will
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change or improve or add until that
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thing is actually delivered and that's
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that applies to all tech products yeah
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how is your full autopilot working out
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on your car I never bought full
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autopilot and I I would not recommend
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anybody by Tesla's full autopilot until
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it's actually released and demonstrated
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you can add it later for a small
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additional charge no we had this
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conversation privately a few days ago
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that's exactly why I brought it up yeah
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I as always i'm waffling on the idea of
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a home pod in so many ways i like the
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idea of having a really small but really
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really good sounding that's you know
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it's ostensibly speaker but i still have
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him struggling to find an actual
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justification for 350 bucks if this was
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a hundred bucks which I'm not saying
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it's overpriced necessarily I'm just
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saying if it was a hundred dollars I
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think I would have bought it and just
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said yeah the hell with it I'll give it
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a shot but a three and fifty dollars
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that for me anyway is something where I
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have to weigh the pros and cons and it's
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just it right now I'm with John it's
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just not compelling enough for me to
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spend the money so when I have one
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week you can all laugh at me and we'll
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play this we'll play this clip back so
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what color are you not getting next week
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oh definitely not definitely not see I
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would have to not get the white to live
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next to my echo mm so you would get
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white and I would get black hmm funny
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how that is we are sponsored this week
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by Eero finally Wi-Fi that works visit
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eurocom and he was code atpa check out
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for free overnight shipping to the US
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and canada we've tried for years to
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cover our entire houses and Wi-Fi
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without any dead zones or slow areas and
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it's really hard because when you only
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have one router there's always just
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inherently going to be dead zones
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because of things like walls and real
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life with ero they solve this problem
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with by having a distributed Wi-Fi
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system there's multiple routers that you
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plug in throughout your house and they
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they share the connection and you don't
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even have to hardwire them they
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wirelessly talk to each other and they
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blanket your entire home in fast
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reliable Wi-Fi this is an
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enterprise-grade system with
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enterprise-grade functionality and speed
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and reliability but not enterprise-grade
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complexity it is super easy to set up
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the new Eero hardware is also incredibly
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nice it just looks really nice it's
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small it's discreet
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the base station is about the size of an
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Apple TV or so and it's nice and white
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and they now have the second-generation
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hardware it's nice and fast there's
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triple band radios and all sorts of
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wonderful new advanced technology and
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then the kind of accessory satellite
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base stations they now have these zero
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beacons this is a also a new
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second-generation piece of hardware
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tri-band twice as fast as its
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predecessor and the beacon is this nice
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small almost like you know plug in an
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outlet it just sits flush against the
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outlet and that is your little Wi-Fi
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like for Peter four different parts of
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your house there they're so small you
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wouldn't even even put you know put them
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in a hallway you wouldn't even notice
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them they're wonderful and this blankets
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your house and fast reliable coverage
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it's the kind of system that businesses
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have used for years to cover their whole
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businesses but that was always too
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complex for home users
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Eero has made it super easy and super
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reliable and quite affordable if I may
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say the single router system just
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doesn't work you need a distributed
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system and Eero is by far the
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when I've ever seen to set up it's
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wonderful so check it out today go to
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so much to ero for sponsoring our show
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I've been using Waze for a year and I
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added it to the topic list a year ago
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because I wanted to spend five seconds
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saying you know what I use Waze and it's
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awesome and John's like oh I have a lot
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to say about that it has to be a full
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topic and it's absolute has no topic
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list and it's been floating on the topic
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list for a year right at about spot
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number four and most shows we have three
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topics so it has never gotten into the
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make topic list and we've always been
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like one topic away from covering the
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Waze topic and I have no idea what John
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wants to say about it what I want to say
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about it would you know take maybe five
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minutes but well let's let's have you do
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an opening statement then you know let's
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test that five minute idea look everyone
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look at the time stamp right now and go
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so I have used a lot of GPS systems
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either in cars or as apps on computers
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first laptops and then phones many of
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them try to be smart about routing you
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around traffic or even just the basic
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routing you know tries to be smart in
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some degree but many of them try to be
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smart like when there's traffic when
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they if they have some kind of an
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internet connectivity for traffic
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service like they detect traffic and
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they try to route you around or they
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offer you like alternative like hey you
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can go over here and save ten minutes
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then you take you off some weirdo like
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crazy path through residential areas or
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off a cliff or whatever those I have
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found have almost no credibility
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almost every time one of the traffic
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routing apps has suggested a route to me
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to save time it almost never does save
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time and it almost always makes me
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regret having done it because of some
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weird place it brings me through whether
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it's like you know really narrow roads
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or like dirt roads or like going through
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like you know really like you know bad
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neighborhoods or residential areas that
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like it's just really weird to just keep
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going through a million stop signs in
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front of people's houses and stuff like
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that I started going to Long Island a la
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