The Accidental Tech Podcast

◼   ► last summer and I started using Waze a [TS]

◼   ► lot going to Long Island is you know [TS]

◼   ► always a traffic nightmare especially [TS]

◼   ► when you go on the weekends when [TS]

◼   ► everyone else is going and I have since [TS]

◼   ► been using Waze so yeah for about a year [TS]

◼   ► and I've been using it since then also [TS]

◼   ► and Waze is so much better than every [TS]

◼   ► other traffic routing system I have ever [TS]

◼   ► used by a longshot [TS]

◼   ► so the point where it has earned my [TS]

◼   ► trust [TS]

◼   ► when Waze tells me to go a certain way I [TS]

◼   ► go that way it has not steered me wrong [TS]

◼   ► yet it is so good and I know that [TS]

◼   ► there's I know first of all it's owned [TS]

◼   ► by Google and it is constantly sending [TS]

◼   ► lots of data to them and really burns [TS]

◼   ► your battery so you gotta have plugged [TS]

◼   ► in I'm aware of the trade-offs here for [TS]

◼   ► you know privacy and creepiness for this [TS]

◼   ► service but it's so dramatically is [TS]

◼   ► better than everything else out there in [TS]

◼   ► so many ways it has earned my trust and [TS]

◼   ► I highly suggest if anyone else is okay [TS]

◼   ► with giving a whole bunch of your [TS]

◼   ► location data to Google while you're [TS]

◼   ► using Waze I strongly suggest using it [TS]

◼   ► when you drive somewhere and there's [TS]

◼   ► lots of other things about it that they [TS]

◼   ► you a lot of people first heard about it [TS]

◼   ► because of its it's a feature where [TS]

◼   ► people can report where police officers [TS]

◼   ► are and it'll like alert you hey there's [TS]

◼   ► a police officer up ahead five you know [TS]

◼   ► point five miles ahead or whatever [TS]

◼   ► that's honestly that's a side benefit [TS]

◼   ► the traffic routing is really where it's [TS]

◼   ► at that is where Waze kicks so much but [TS]

◼   ► across everything else and it's also [TS]

◼   ► incredibly good at time estimates like I [TS]

◼   ► can go on a two hour drive with lots of [TS]

◼   ► traffic in the middle and whatever time [TS]

◼   ► estimate Waze told me at the beginning [TS]

◼   ► of the drive when I would arrive on a [TS]

◼   ► two hour traffic fill drive it's right [TS]

◼   ► within like five minutes almost every [TS]

◼   ► time it's crazy how accurate the time is [TS]

◼   ► Matar so unlike a lot of the other [TS]

◼   ► systems I've used you know you don't you [TS]

◼   ► don't sit there and watch the time or [TS]

◼   ► count up and really she's really [TS]

◼   ► discouraging like you you know ahead of [TS]

◼   ► time roughly what you're getting into [TS]

◼   ► and you can even plan drives you can say [TS]

◼   ► like I'm going to be driving from here [TS]

◼   ► to here tomorrow morning what time [TS]

◼   ► should I leave and you can scroll [TS]

◼   ► through this cool [TS]

◼   ► graph where it'll show you like well if [TS]

◼   ► you if you leave an hour earlier it'll [TS]

◼   ► take less time and if you go near this [TS]

◼   ► stair this time zone it'll get really [TS]

◼   ► traffic you but then it'll lessen out [TS]

◼   ► down here after rush hour like it's so [TS]

◼   ► nice that it is one of the very few [TS]

◼   ► things that I'm very willing to give up [TS]

◼   ► a massive amount of my privacy and my [TS]

◼   ► data for the incredible benefit that it [TS]

◼   ► gives so John why am I wrong about [TS]

◼   ► everything by the way that was roughly [TS]

◼   ► four minutes well done so yes I would [TS]

◼   ► love to see what those graphs look like [TS]

◼   ► if you're like in the Hamptons and it's [TS]

◼   ► Sunday night it should be like just go [TS]

◼   ► to sleep try them try on Monday morning [TS]

◼   ► like if I leave now I'll get home in [TS]

◼   ► seven hours but ever leave five hours [TS]

◼   ► now I'll get home in one and a half [TS]

◼   ► hours hmm [TS]

◼   ► so this ways has been the topic was so [TS]

◼   ► long I have no idea what I think I was [TS]

◼   ► gonna say do have something one one [TS]

◼   ► fairly silly but possibly depressing [TS]

◼   ► thing to say about it I have ways on my [TS]

◼   ► phone at various times during drives or [TS]

◼   ► before I would know what was going to [TS]

◼   ► take a drive I'm like we use Waze [TS]

◼   ► because there might be traffic and I'm [TS]

◼   ► interested in alternate routes I've [TS]

◼   ► tried to use Waze by launching the [TS]

◼   ► application and it just sent me into [TS]

◼   ► like a sign-up funnel that I have never [TS]

◼   ► made it through and I don't remember now [TS]

◼   ► what it is that was sending me away but [TS]

◼   ► I think at least three or four times I [TS]

◼   ► was motivated to use Waze I started down [TS]

◼   ► whatever funnel of sign up thing they [TS]

◼   ► had for me and partway through I bailed [TS]

◼   ► out because it was like too onerous did [TS]

◼   ► one like my social security number did [TS]

◼   ► it I'm not one of those people like [TS]

◼   ► whatever take my email I'll make a [TS]

◼   ► password I don't care I'll make an [TS]

◼   ► account like it's not like I'm you know [TS]

◼   ► shy about making accounts but there was [TS]

◼   ► something about the signup process and [TS]

◼   ► this I think it's like the first app [TS]

◼   ► that has happened to it [TS]

◼   ► it's memorable to me because I have been [TS]

◼   ► repeatedly motivated to try the app [TS]

◼   ► because people say it's good and yet it [TS]

◼   ► keeps repelling me so I have no idea if [TS]

◼   ► it's changed since the last time I've [TS]

◼   ► tried it but whatever it is like I [TS]

◼   ► couldn't get through to the app to use [TS]

◼   ► the app because of this funnel that it [TS]

◼   ► was sending me through [TS]

◼   ► find that kind of depressing my question [TS]

◼   ► for Marco is what are the competitors [TS]

◼   ► like you mention waves compared deals [TS]

◼   ► what other things have you tried because [TS]

◼   ► I don't honestly I don't even know I [TS]

◼   ► know Apple Maps I know Google Maps and I [TS]

◼   ► know ways and that's it yeah so I those [TS]

◼   ► three those those are the part of the [TS]

◼   ► big ones I've also used the built in [TS]

◼   ► systems for Tesla the Tesla system is [TS]

◼   ► garbage [TS]

◼   ► it has Google map tiles which is nice so [TS]

◼   ► you can see the good maps but through I [TS]

◼   ► probably some weird licensing thing it [TS]

◼   ► doesn't use Google for the directions [TS]

◼   ► like Tesla I think has their own service [TS]

◼   ► or licensing something else for the [TS]

◼   ► routing and so like the Google tiles are [TS]

◼   ► literally just there like as the image [TS]

◼   ► of the map and so Tesla has its own [TS]

◼   ► system for routing that has options for [TS]

◼   ► for dynamic traffic routing and it is [TS]

◼   ► horrible I don't recommend anybody use [TS]

◼   ► it for that like to the point I had this [TS]

◼   ► giant touchscreen in my car which I love [TS]

◼   ► all other times and will often use like [TS]

◼   ► two browser on the map to see like you [TS]

◼   ► know what areas around me are full of [TS]

◼   ► traffic right now if I'm like going [TS]

◼   ► somewhere local or I want to see like [TS]

◼   ► how how would you get there the giant s [TS]

◼   ► the map is awesome for that but then [TS]

◼   ► I'll have my phone in this little like [TS]

◼   ► seven dollar suction cup mount right [TS]

◼   ► next to the Tesla screen running ways [TS]

◼   ► when I'm actually going somewhere like [TS]

◼   ► on the highway because it's so much [TS]

◼   ► better I'm sorry the test system is [TS]

◼   ► terrible [TS]

◼   ► I've also tried the Lexus system and two [TS]

◼   ► or three generations of the BMW idrive [TS]

◼   ► system none of them are very good the [TS]

◼   ► the traffic routing on all of them is [TS]

◼   ► pretty poor BMW system also has the [TS]

◼   ► additional benefit of being [TS]

◼   ► incomprehensible wet like when it's [TS]

◼   ► offering youth traffic routing options [TS]

◼   ► case you've seen this like it can be [TS]

◼   ► pretty awkward to try to figure out like [TS]

◼   ► what button here do I hit to take this [TS]

◼   ► route or decline this route and then if [TS]

◼   ► you decline it can you go back later and [TS]

◼   ► see it or what is it going to do for you [TS]

◼   ► it's it's very confusing and very hard [TS]

◼   ► to use all these all the other systems [TS]

◼   ► have led me down crazy paths and and [TS]

◼   ► that didn't pay off and made terrible [TS]

◼   ► time estimates along the way and made [TS]

◼   ► terrible decisions along the way where [TS]

◼   ► ways just hasn't like I think I've had [TS]

◼   ► maybe one or two times where Waze told [TS]

◼   ► me to do something and afterwards I [TS]

◼   ► thought maybe that wasn't worth it but [TS]

◼   ► it's nothing like with the other systems [TS]

◼   ► where like you take one of the traffic [TS]

◼   ► suggestions and every [TS]

◼   ► you're like Oh God Tesla does not know [TS]

◼   ► what speed traffic moves on side streets [TS]

◼   ► in New York City like that's crazy [TS]

◼   ► like that's it's that level of bad with [TS]

◼   ► the other systems and ways just again it [TS]

◼   ► has earned my trust it like when weighs [TS]

◼   ► tells me to take some direction even if [TS]

◼   ► I know that it's gonna be indirect I [TS]

◼   ► know they're telling me for a good [TS]

◼   ► reason [TS]

◼   ► and so I take it and it works almost [TS]

◼   ► every time it's shocking how good it is [TS]

◼   ► oh yeah well you have the advantage that [TS]

◼   ► the New York metro area probably has [TS]

◼   ► incredibly good coverage for like ways [TS]

◼   ► information right oh yeah I mean like [TS]

◼   ► there's a reason why like if you get [TS]

◼   ► into any lyft or uber or even a lot of [TS]

◼   ► taxis and and car services like the [TS]

◼   ► drivers of almost all these services use [TS]

◼   ► Waze to route themselves like I see you [TS]

◼   ► can see who watch when they like on [TS]

◼   ► their phones that they have mounted so [TS]

◼   ► uh comes they'll have multiple phones [TS]

◼   ► one of them running like you know the [TS]

◼   ► lyft driver app and one of them running [TS]

◼   ► ways and even if they only have one [TS]

◼   ► phone like they'll be switching between [TS]

◼   ► those two F's they'll be actually using [TS]

◼   ► Waze to wrap them there and whatever map [TS]

◼   ► goober a lyft is telling them to take as [TS]

◼   ► the driver they're mostly ignoring [TS]

◼   ► because we this is better so yeah [TS]

◼   ► obviously like it is it is obviously a [TS]

◼   ► very dependent service so if you're in [TS]

◼   ► an area where there's not a lot of users [TS]

◼   ► of it it's it's not gonna be as good a [TS]

◼   ► traffic routing but it's really popular [TS]

◼   ► and it's been really popular for a long [TS]

◼   ► time and it's really popular among [TS]

◼   ► people who drive a lot like taxi drivers [TS]

◼   ► so there tends to be a lot of ways [TS]

◼   ► coverage pretty much everywhere in my [TS]

◼   ► experience I've used the Google app and [TS]

◼   ► it is suggested to me alternate routes I [TS]

◼   ► don't know of goo I mean Google if they [TS]

◼   ► own ways I would think they would [TS]

◼   ► leverage some of the information but I [TS]

◼   ► think I do [TS]

◼   ► if the goulds you know so every once in [TS]

◼   ► a while I have taken these suggested [TS]

◼   ► alternate route from Google and so far [TS]

◼   ► has its DB room but they haven't been [TS]

◼   ► radically different it doesn't like take [TS]

◼   ► this major highway instead of this one [TS]

◼   ► because there's an accident Mike alright [TS]

◼   ► good thanks but for the most part I have [TS]

◼   ► not entered the world of you know you [TS]

◼   ► know letting go and letting ways just [TS]

◼   ► tell me where to go so I have not done [TS]

◼   ► any sort of scientific testing on this [TS]

◼   ► but my completely anecdotal single data [TS]

◼   ► point based on my experience is that [TS]

◼   ► Google does use the same data the ways [TS]

◼   ► does but it seems [TS]

◼   ► to be a lot less aggressive about [TS]

◼   ► routing you through somebody's backyard [TS]

◼   ► like Marco was talking about like it [TS]

◼   ► will keep you to only ever so slightly [TS]

◼   ► aggressive changes of route whereas ways [TS]

◼   ► will send you through a residential [TS]

◼   ► street and not even think twice about it [TS]

◼   ► it also it's kind of funny when you are [TS]

◼   ► doing that there's almost always two [TS]

◼   ► cars ahead of you who are following the [TS]

◼   ► exact same route and you can tell like [TS]

◼   ► oh this is the Waze cluster right here [TS]

◼   ► we're all the ways users are going [TS]

◼   ► through this random residential street [TS]

◼   ► but then we pop onto the highway [TS]

◼   ► magically right in front of a giant [TS]

◼   ► traffic jam it's like okay well I guess [TS]

◼   ► that was worth it after all it's it's [TS]

◼   ► totally true the one the one thing that [TS]

◼   ► really bothers me about ways has almost [TS]

◼   ► nothing to do with Waze at all and at [TS]

◼   ► the risk of sounding like a broken [TS]

◼   ► record and what do I need for that a [TS]

◼   ► vinyl player is that right anyway the [TS]

◼   ► vinyl Turner I believe it's called a [TS]

◼   ► vinyl Turner that's what it is at there [TS]

◼   ► is sounding like a broken record one of [TS]

◼   ► the things that really bums me out about [TS]

◼   ► Waze is that if I'm in Aaron's car and [TS]

◼   ► she has a 20-17 xc90 a Volvo xc90 with [TS]

◼   ► carplay if I'm an aaron's car and you [TS]

◼   ► must run into this in the BMW if you [TS]

◼   ► ever take that for any long journey and [TS]

◼   ► you can't I know I know but you can't [TS]

◼   ► use Waze natively on carplay I'm not [TS]

◼   ► clear and it may be but that that's [TS]

◼   ► entirely wases fault I don't think [TS]

◼   ► that's the case it's not there's no the [TS]

◼   ► only way that other apps can integrate [TS]

◼   ► with carplay is as audio playing apps [TS]

◼   ► that's it there's no other api's for and [TS]

◼   ► no other integrations that they've done [TS]

◼   ► with partners or anything like it's it's [TS]

◼   ► only audio playback there you go so it [TS]

◼   ► is infuriating that here is a really [TS]

◼   ► really lovely perfectly well maybe not [TS]

◼   ► perfectly but really well-thought-out [TS]

◼   ► secondary display for my phone that that [TS]

◼   ► is right in the center console right [TS]

◼   ► where you would want to look at it and [TS]

◼   ► there is nothing that weighs can do [TS]

◼   ► about that in ways can't use it at all [TS]

◼   ► and it's super duper frustrating one of [TS]

◼   ► the nice things about Aaron's car is [TS]

◼   ► that you know I will often plug in my [TS]

◼   ► phone to her car in and so we are [TS]

◼   ► looking at the car played display of my [TS]

◼   ► phone on the senator display because [TS]

◼   ► it's easy for me as a passenger to [TS]

◼   ► reroute her or choose different route or [TS]

◼   ► whatever the case may be [TS]

◼   ► on Apple Maps or just do something [TS]

◼   ► different you know to change where we're [TS]

◼   ► going or so whatever they gives maybe [TS]

◼   ► it's nice as the passenger to be able to [TS]

◼   ► do that but to effect the the display [TS]

◼   ► that she is looking at so I don't have [TS]

◼   ► to call out every four seconds make a [TS]

◼   ► right make a left make a right make a [TS]

◼   ► left she goes look down and see it for [TS]

◼   ► herself and that would be amazing with [TS]

◼   ► Waze and I would kill to be able to have [TS]

◼   ► ways on Erin's carplay display but [TS]

◼   ► because Apple is the Walia stuff walled [TS]

◼   ► gardens no dice and this is the same [TS]

◼   ► problem I have a Spotify on the home pod [TS]

◼   ► and it is getting to the point that I am [TS]

◼   ► starting to get deeply frustrated about [TS]

◼   ► this deeply frustrated enough to go [TS]

◼   ► Android yeah let's not go crazy [TS]

◼   ► but I am getting deeply frustrated by [TS]

◼   ► this and I don't feel like Apple is [TS]

◼   ► really doing themselves any service [TS]

◼   ► particularly in this context I could see [TS]

◼   ► how yeah okay fine let the home pod [TS]

◼   ► Drive Apple music sales fine whatever [TS]

◼   ► but I still disagree with it but I can [TS]

◼   ► at least understand the perspective but [TS]

◼   ► in this case like why are you forcing [TS]

◼   ► people to use Apple maps and I actually [TS]

◼   ► don't have that much of a problem with [TS]

◼   ► Apple maps and I'll turn to that when [TS]

◼   ► I'm doing any sort of normal like half [TS]

◼   ► an hour or an hour journey but if I'm [TS]

◼   ► doing like what you're talking about [TS]

◼   ► Marco going to going to the beach or [TS]

◼   ► doing like a two-hour plus journey I'm [TS]

◼   ► always all the time and especially if [TS]

◼   ► I'm going to DC which is a traffic [TS]

◼   ► nightmare I'm go I'm going waste for [TS]

◼   ► that and so it is infuriating that [TS]

◼   ► because of hubris because of [TS]

◼   ► obnoxiousness I don't know what [TS]

◼   ► adjectives you want to want to use here [TS]

◼   ► but for whatever reason laziness [TS]

◼   ► Apple just does not let us use the one [TS]

◼   ► app that I think almost everyone [TS]

◼   ► universally wants to use I think I [TS]

◼   ► understand why they like our play is so [TS]

◼   ► limited I think they're just very [TS]

◼   ► nervous about putting arbitrary [TS]

◼   ► third-party iOS you deserve interfaces [TS]

◼   ► up on a screen even if just for just [TS]

◼   ► even just for display purposes that they [TS]

◼   ► just want to be conservative and say [TS]

◼   ► these are the things that we've decided [TS]

◼   ► are not are don't distract drivers I [TS]

◼   ► don't know that that are distraction [TS]

◼   ► free enough that we feel like we are at [TS]

◼   ► the right band of [TS]

◼   ► legal exposure yeah and and cuz and [TS]

◼   ► there's also like you know it's it's a [TS]

◼   ► difficult problem because there are so [TS]

◼   ► many different laws in different [TS]

◼   ► countries and even different states [TS]

◼   ► about what a car screen can display and [TS]

◼   ► how much you know how much can it change [TS]

◼   ► how many items can be like in a list of [TS]

◼   ► items because they don't they don't want [TS]

◼   ► people like browsing long lists while [TS]

◼   ► they're driving like there's so many [TS]

◼   ► regulations and stuff that it's you know [TS]

◼   ► and again when you're dealing with auto [TS]

◼   ► safety you really have to be very [TS]

◼   ► conservative because literally lives are [TS]

◼   ► at stake if you're not and so there's [TS]

◼   ► lots of regulations and and safety [TS]

◼   ► concerns there so it makes sense why [TS]

◼   ► they don't add much to it but the [TS]

◼   ► reality then is what people do is what [TS]

◼   ► I've done with my car is like that you [TS]

◼   ► just get a cell phone mount for seven [TS]

◼   ► dollars and you stick it to the car and [TS]

◼   ► then you have your phone screen [TS]

◼   ► available to you yeah maybe that's an [TS]

◼   ► acceptable compromise because then like [TS]

◼   ► you know they're they're like legally [TS]

◼   ► covered he's like well we didn't do that [TS]

◼   ► you know I wonder if that's necessarily [TS]

◼   ► the best idea but ultimately it doesn't [TS]

◼   ► really matter whether it's a good idea [TS]

◼   ► or not that's what everyone's doing it's [TS]

◼   ► like and across all walks of life [TS]

◼   ► Android and iOS like that's what [TS]

◼   ► everyone does is they want to use Waze [TS]

◼   ► in their car which a lot of people do [TS]

◼   ► they just get a cell phone mount and [TS]

◼   ► stick it to the dashboard of the [TS]

◼   ► windshield and it's not the best setup [TS]

◼   ► in the world but it's fine [TS]

◼   ► it'll be increasingly wasteful as large [TS]

◼   ► screens and cars trickles down from the [TS]

◼   ► high end to basically every car which is [TS]

◼   ► slowly but surely happening you know [TS]

◼   ► right now you feel a frustration I got a [TS]

◼   ► 70 inch LCD in my Tesla and I got a look [TS]

◼   ► at my little phone screen because I [TS]

◼   ► can't display ways on my giant Tesla [TS]

◼   ► screen right and the same thing with all [TS]

◼   ► the high-end cars that have displays in [TS]

◼   ► front of the driver and the in the you [TS]

◼   ► know instrument cluster and everything [TS]

◼   ► like that [TS]

◼   ► fast forward 10 15 years where every [TS]

◼   ► single car you buy has like two or three [TS]

◼   ► giant screens in them and still people [TS]

◼   ► are flipping things to ventilation [TS]

◼   ► you know ports so they can look at their [TS]

◼   ► tiny phone screen and have all the wires [TS]

◼   ► dangling all over the place that that's [TS]

◼   ► bad it's not good I'm not quite sure [TS]

◼   ► what the solution is because I don't [TS]

◼   ► think you should just let arbitrary [TS]

◼   ► phones display whatever they want on [TS]

◼   ► this [TS]

◼   ► means in the car but that may be [TS]

◼   ► inevitable the only thing comparison I [TS]

◼   ► can think of is one that is not [TS]

◼   ► particularly not a particularly good [TS]

◼   ► comparison which is radar detectors [TS]

◼   ► which there are all sorts of laws [TS]

◼   ► against swell but I don't think we ever [TS]

◼   ► got to the point where any car [TS]

◼   ► manufacturer was brave enough to build [TS]

◼   ► them into the car right so everyone who [TS]

◼   ► wants to have a radar detector or a [TS]

◼   ► laser detector or whatever in the days [TS]

◼   ► before we had ways to tell us where the [TS]

◼   ► cops are would have a device with a [TS]

◼   ► suction cup and a cable snaking down [TS]

◼   ► along their car and it never changed [TS]

◼   ► from that like even cars with a radar [TS]

◼   ► you know I don't know if they have the [TS]

◼   ► sensors built-in for that but you know [TS]

◼   ► self-driving cars that have ultra senses [TS]

◼   ► all over them I don't think any of those [TS]

◼   ► sensors are dedicated to finding a laser [TS]

◼   ► or a radar speed detection or could even [TS]

◼   ► be hack to do so and you know the [TS]

◼   ► current solution is internet and [TS]

◼   ► crowdsourcing that's how we find that [TS]

◼   ► but I'm hoping the screen issue resolves [TS]

◼   ► itself in a better way because unlike [TS]

◼   ► speed trap detection stuff I think it is [TS]

◼   ► possible to have a constructive useful [TS]

◼   ► non law-breaking application of better [TS]

◼   ► directions inside our cars because most [TS]

◼   ► cars have some way to do directions at a [TS]

◼   ► map and and all the stuff we just want [TS]

◼   ► we just want an environment where we can [TS]

◼   ► choose the best map for whatever area we [TS]

◼   ► live in and not have to like the home [TS]

◼   ► pod or all sorts of other device not [TS]

◼   ► have to pick the hardware based on what [TS]

◼   ► software runs on it yeah because and you [TS]

◼   ► know at first of all like I think this [TS]

◼   ► is different than the radar detector [TS]

◼   ► example in in the largest way because [TS]

◼   ► it's so much more mass-market than radar [TS]

◼   ► detectors ever were or will be like so [TS]

◼   ► many more people use cell phone mounts [TS]

◼   ► in their cars than ever use radar [TS]

◼   ► detectors you know and because that was [TS]

◼   ► always such a kind of you know edge case [TS]

◼   ► for like high strongmen basically and [TS]

◼   ► and so like you know but this is like [TS]

◼   ► this is so mass-market like people like [TS]

◼   ► Apple or Tesla who are like you know [TS]

◼   ► designing things for cars where that [TS]

◼   ► that don't accommodate the fact that [TS]

◼   ► everyone's gonna just use cell phone [TS]

◼   ► mounts unless they make a better [TS]

◼   ► solution to put any app on the screen [TS]

◼   ► I feel like that like that fight has [TS]

◼   ► already it's already past them like that [TS]

◼   ► the market has already decided we want [TS]

◼   ► arbitrary apps to be able to be [TS]

◼   ► displayed on our phones in our cars and [TS]

◼   ► that's terrible because it's very unsafe [TS]

◼   ► like that you don't want people like [TS]

◼   ► showing like you know a texting app or [TS]

◼   ► something like we're like watching [TS]

◼   ► YouTube videos or whatever right like [TS]

◼   ► there's lots of reasons why that's [TS]

◼   ► terrible but the reality is people are [TS]

◼   ► doing it and people will continue to do [TS]

◼   ► it because for very compelling and [TS]

◼   ► totally legitimate and safe uses like [TS]

◼   ► Waze or other navigation apps that's [TS]

◼   ► such a compelling use that people are [TS]

◼   ► just gonna do it anyway so they might as [TS]

◼   ► well you know the more pragmatic [TS]

◼   ► solution here is not to try to you know [TS]

◼   ► stop people from doing that or try to [TS]

◼   ► lock people in to just you know your [TS]

◼   ► built-in thing and your in whatever you [TS]

◼   ► know gated system you run but to [TS]

◼   ► acknowledge the fact that people are [TS]

◼   ► doing this and will do this and try to [TS]

◼   ► give them a better safer way to do what [TS]

◼   ► they're going to do anyway the Tesla [TS]

◼   ► Model 3 of the Interior is correct [TS]

◼   ► actually throw right into it and it [TS]

◼   ► doesn't have vents and there is no sense [TS]

◼   ► where you can clip in your holder so [TS]

◼   ► you'd have to use like a windshield [TS]

◼   ► suction cup in it in that case I don't [TS]

◼   ► know how far away that windshield is oh [TS]

◼   ► good yeah I don't know if that would [TS]

◼   ► work so I I started out with a vent clip [TS]

◼   ► and moved to a suction cup with like a [TS]

◼   ► little like you know two inch are more [TS]

◼   ► foreign charm and it for just it's [TS]

◼   ► because the suction cup thing or the [TS]

◼   ► event thing just kept falling out as my [TS]

◼   ► phone got bigger and heavier and and as [TS]

◼   ► I accelerated harder sometimes but it [TS]

◼   ► works for me because there was like a [TS]

◼   ► there's like a flat piece of trim right [TS]

◼   ► below the vent so I just have it suction [TS]

◼   ► cup like vertically to that but that [TS]

◼   ► like I'm kind of worried that whenever [TS]

◼   ► the next Model S revision comes out [TS]

◼   ► which is probably I think gonna be in [TS]

◼   ► time for my next lease I'm a little [TS]

◼   ► worried they might like change the [TS]

◼   ► interior like the three and not give me [TS]

◼   ► a spot to stick a suction cup then [TS]

◼   ► you'll have to do it on the windshield [TS]

◼   ► on an even longer arm because the [TS]

◼   ► windshield is really far away I really [TS]

◼   ► don't want to do that I really don't [TS]

◼   ► wanna do that it puts it too too high up [TS]

◼   ► for me that's what that's that's why I [TS]

◼   ► reminded me of radar detectors even [TS]

◼   ► though like you said you know way more [TS]

◼   ► common [TS]

◼   ► like it's the ugliness of messing up [TS]

◼   ► your car's interior with this extra wart [TS]

◼   ► then you have to stick onto it plus the [TS]

◼   ► Associated cord that's attached to the [TS]

◼   ► board well that's that's why I resisted [TS]

◼   ► it for so long like why I just want to [TS]

◼   ► do the built-in systems for so long and [TS]

◼   ► then why my first thing was just a [TS]

◼   ► little you know vent mount because that [TS]

◼   ► was something I just keep in little like [TS]

◼   ► center console and just like when I [TS]

◼   ► wanted to use it take it out take out a [TS]

◼   ► lightning cable and you know stick it on [TS]

◼   ► there and use it and then when I was [TS]

◼   ► done I would take it away and it took [TS]

◼   ► you know three or four months of that [TS]

◼   ► before I look alright I'm sold on this [TS]

◼   ► setup I'm in let me do it right and make [TS]

◼   ► it less annoying unless finicky and now [TS]

◼   ► I just have a permanent suction cup [TS]

◼   ► stuck to the stuck right next to my [TS]

◼   ► giant touchscreen of my beautiful car [TS]

◼   ► interior with this permanent or [TS]

◼   ► semi-permanent wire running down the [TS]

◼   ► side because it just has that much [TS]

◼   ► utility like it's it's so good it's so [TS]

◼   ► helpful that that's what like that I'm [TS]

◼   ► willing to tarnish my interior with this [TS]

◼   ► seven dollar plastic garbage that's next [TS]

◼   ► to my beautiful screen because it is [TS]

◼   ► just that useful to me one thing that [TS]

◼   ► could make this slightly less clumsy the [TS]

◼   ► idea of rededicating old devices to [TS]

◼   ► specific uses the tricky part with [TS]

◼   ► directions is like yeah but who's gonna [TS]

◼   ► pay for a phone that only lives in their [TS]

◼   ► car forever right so but some fancy [TS]

◼   ► schmancy cars come with their own like [TS]

◼   ► it cell connections that granted you [TS]

◼   ► have to pay for but you know if you're [TS]

◼   ► paying for an internet connection for [TS]

◼   ► like an LTE connection for your car then [TS]

◼   ► you could reuse and all the iphone with [TS]

◼   ► no sim in it merely going on the cars [TS]

◼   ► Wi-Fi and permanently mounted or an old [TS]

◼   ► ipad for that matter and permanently [TS]

◼   ► mount it somewhere in your car and have [TS]

◼   ► it be a single purpose device the only [TS]

◼   ► thing this thing does is runs the Waze [TS]

◼   ► application and it's permantly plugged [TS]

◼   ► in and i can route the wire like you're [TS]

◼   ► basically designing your own car [TS]

◼   ► interior i have a dedicated ipod touch [TS]

◼   ► in my car for music purposes you know I [TS]

◼   ► can Bluetooth play music from my phone [TS]

◼   ► as well but it's nice to have a [TS]

◼   ► dedicated thing that's always in the car [TS]

◼   ► always connected always plugged in I [TS]

◼   ► could see people doing that with with [TS]

◼   ► directions if it was possible to get to [TS]

◼   ► work oh yeah III honestly considered [TS]

◼   ► using a cellular iPad Mini for this [TS]

◼   ► purpose because I feel that that's kind [TS]

◼   ► of like a really good balance like it [TS]

◼   ► doesn't cost much to have the cell [TS]

◼   ► on that it's a pretty good-sized screen [TS]

◼   ► bigger than any phone it's like if you [TS]

◼   ► like if there was a place for that to [TS]

◼   ► fit in my interior without blocking a [TS]

◼   ► third of the screen I might have done [TS]

◼   ► that you've got a model three because [TS]

◼   ► there's nothing on that dashboard [TS]

◼   ► playing uh anyway no it's funny you [TS]

◼   ► bring that up John that because as we [TS]

◼   ► were talking I was thinking to myself [TS]

◼   ► you know Aaron's car does have an LTE [TS]

◼   ► connection that we're not paying for and [TS]

◼   ► you can like COFF near a cell cellphone [TS]

◼   ► store and get a free Android phone I [TS]

◼   ► could get a free Android phone install [TS]

◼   ► only ways on it turn everything else off [TS]

◼   ► installed at Aaron's car and just have [TS]

◼   ► that be our car computer you know [TS]

◼   ► because it supports Android auto as well [TS]

◼   ► and I am almost sure even you know [TS]

◼   ► regardless of the fact that Google now [TS]

◼   ► owns ways I don't think they have near [TS]

◼   ► as many restrictions as far as I'm aware [TS]

◼   ► on Android auto as as Apple does and [TS]

◼   ► thus why couldn't I just get the world's [TS]

◼   ► crappiest you know Android phone I guess [TS]

◼   ► it's kind of redundant isn't it anyway [TS]

◼   ► this is a good test of KC's sense of [TS]

◼   ► injustice about cell phone plans all [TS]

◼   ► right so the watch which is very small [TS]

◼   ► was a great affront because it charged [TS]

◼   ► you however much you charge you yeah the [TS]

◼   ► car is very very big so how much does a [TS]

◼   ► cell connection for your car cost and do [TS]

◼   ► you feel it is okay I think it's the [TS]

◼   ► same or it's double one or the other and [TS]

◼   ► this is why we haven't paid for yourself [TS]

◼   ► like we got our free six gigs whatever [TS]

◼   ► was when we bought the car and I've ever [TS]

◼   ► paid for it since because I also don't [TS]

◼   ► think that's worth the money either but [TS]

◼   ► the car is so big oh my god I'm not [TS]

◼   ► going to entertain this conversation I'm [TS]

◼   ► a hundred percent true no it's not true [TS]

◼   ► because I'm not paying for it how many [TS]

◼   ► watches could fit in them in the mass of [TS]

◼   ► the car all I'm saying is like that I I [TS]

◼   ► firmly believe that it seems more unjust [TS]

◼   ► because the watch is small then it would [TS]

◼   ► for a larger I'm not debating that I [TS]

◼   ► completely grew and so the car is the [TS]

◼   ► largest device how often would you use [TS]

◼   ► the car weighs LTE connection and versus [TS]

◼   ► how often do you use the watch's LTE [TS]

◼   ► connection have you are you actually [TS]

◼   ► using the LTE still yeah two to three [TS]

◼   ► times a week well not for the last two [TS]

◼   ► months because I just had a kid and it's [TS]

◼   ► been [TS]

◼   ► please now yes anytime I go for a run I [TS]

◼   ► go with only air pods and my watch and [TS]

◼   ► so every time I do that I well I guess I [TS]

◼   ► shouldn't say I am using the LTE [TS]

◼   ► connection but I want to have the [TS]

◼   ► ability to does that make sense so like [TS]

◼   ► if I break an ankle or something I want [TS]

◼   ► to be able to call Aaron and say please [TS]

◼   ► come get me you know I would I would I [TS]

◼   ► would count that as using like if you're [TS]

◼   ► going out without your phone and that's [TS]

◼   ► yeah being connected via LT that that [TS]

◼   ► counts as using it and this is why I'm [TS]

◼   ► paying for it like I'm grumbling about [TS]

◼   ► why grumbled about it I didn't bring it [TS]

◼   ► up this time thank you very much but I [TS]

◼   ► did my grumbling I moved on with my life [TS]

◼   ► this is why I do pay for the watch and [TS]

◼   ► we didn't pay for the car and haven't [TS]

◼   ► paid for the car or the LTE connection [TS]

◼   ► in the car that is because I did the [TS]

◼   ► math if just in a in a figurative sense [TS]

◼   ► I did the math not even literally [TS]

◼   ► arithmetic and I thought you know what [TS]

◼   ► it's very rare that I'm in the car long [TS]

◼   ► enough to justify using its connection [TS]

◼   ► even if I am i can just tether there's [TS]

◼   ► really no need for me to pay for a [TS]

◼   ► connection in the car would it be more [TS]

◼   ► convenient if it was free [TS]

◼   ► absolutely is it worth and I think it's [TS]

◼   ► either 10 or 20 bucks a month I can't [TS]

◼   ► remember which is it worth that money [TS]

◼   ► for it mmm no probably not [TS]

◼   ► I only brought it up to say it is a [TS]

◼   ► solution one could do is get even if [TS]

◼   ► you're a devout you know iOS person you [TS]

◼   ► could get a free Android phone stick [TS]

◼   ► ways on it hook it up to either [TS]

◼   ► tethering on your you know existing i/o [TS]

◼   ► you know iPhone or just hook it up to [TS]

◼   ► your car what-have-you use Android auto [TS]

◼   ► and everyone's happy I don't recommend [TS]

◼   ► it but you could you know what I'm [TS]

◼   ► totally fine having a $7 piece of [TS]

◼   ► plastic stuck to my dashboard [TS]

◼   ► semi-permanently but I don't think I [TS]

◼   ► would ever put an Android phone there [TS]

◼   ► could you even tell that it's an Android [TS]

◼   ► phone because doesn't the way he's [TS]

◼   ► interfacing look the same I would know [TS]

◼   ► yeah additionally it's clear that [TS]

◼   ► neither of you have ever owned a radar [TS]

◼   ► detector or installed one properly [TS]

◼   ► because on my 300s next my Valentine one [TS]

◼   ► was hardwired into the car you could see [TS]

◼   ► wires absolutely nowhere he like took it [TS]

◼   ► like under the trim and stuff like that [TS]

◼   ► all right yeah yeah yep and also I had a [TS]

◼   ► remote display on the steering column so [TS]

◼   ► the bog the actual radar itself okay so [TS]

◼   ► you could see us like a couple inches of [TS]

◼   ► wire going from the radar detector into [TS]

◼   ► the headliner but the the display for [TS]

◼   ► the radar detector was mounted on the [TS]

◼   ► steering column it was a secondary [TS]

◼   ► display that you could buy and so this [TS]

◼   ► way nothing lit up in the [TS]

◼   ► in the windshield area it was only it [TS]

◼   ► looked like another part of the dash [TS]

◼   ► from afar I actually saved myself from a [TS]

◼   ► ticket in Virginia where these are well [TS]

◼   ► I hypothetically saved myself from a [TS]

◼   ► ticket in Virginia or these may or may [TS]

◼   ► not be legal but I haven't used my radar [TS]

◼   ► detector in years because it's just not [TS]

◼   ► worth it anymore I don't drive that [TS]

◼   ► quick I think part of the utility of not [TS]

◼   ► having a hardwired and having the little [TS]

◼   ► coiled up you know phone cord wire [TS]

◼   ► snaking across your thing [TS]

◼   ► and so you could hastily disconnect it [TS]

◼   ► and Chuck into your glove box when you [TS]

◼   ► get pulled over all right let's do some [TS]

◼   ► ask a TP Stephen the cleaning rights and [TS]

◼   ► this is continuing in our car theme our [TS]

◼   ► advanced safety features found in cars [TS]

◼   ► comparable across manufacturers features [TS]

◼   ► that use technology like lane departure [TS]

◼   ► warning forward collision warning and [TS]

◼   ► blind spot detection are offered in BMWs [TS]

◼   ► and han dice or high-end eyes whatever [TS]

◼   ► however you are supposed to pronounce it [TS]

◼   ► are they equally as effective or are [TS]

◼   ► they much better in more expensive cars [TS]

◼   ► how can one compare I don't know the [TS]

◼   ► answer to this question and I think it [TS]

◼   ► would be a really fascinating test if [TS]

◼   ► only I knew someone who did car videos [TS]

◼   ► from time to time but anyway I I think [TS]

◼   ► it's a really interesting question but I [TS]

◼   ► have to imagine that they're nearly [TS]

◼   ► identical different kind of worms but if [TS]

◼   ► you're not talking about automated [TS]

◼   ► driving you're just talking about like [TS]

◼   ► you know panic stopping on behalf of the [TS]

◼   ► driver or something like that you know [TS]

◼   ► nudging the driver back into the lane if [TS]

◼   ► they're starting to drift [TS]

◼   ► I would assume and imagine that they're [TS]

◼   ► not that different between both luxury [TS]

◼   ► and economy marques would you guys agree [TS]

◼   ► with that let's start with Marco I mean [TS]

◼   ► John will tell us the real answer here I [TS]

◼   ► don't actually from from what I think I [TS]

◼   ► think these sensors and systems tend to [TS]

◼   ► be sold to multiple car manufacturers [TS]

◼   ► that's what I so like like you know like [TS]

◼   ► there's like there's you know a small [TS]

◼   ► number of companies that make these [TS]

◼   ► kinds of systems and then they sell them [TS]

◼   ► to BMW and Mercedes and it like you know [TS]

◼   ► like they sell the same thing to models [TS]

◼   ► of people so I'm sure some people have [TS]

◼   ► their own stuff or have exclusives deals [TS]

◼   ► on some of the things but some of the [TS]

◼   ► features probably are literally [TS]

◼   ► identical because they're literally [TS]

◼   ► using the same modules and same software [TS]

◼   ► and and some of the stuff like you know [TS]

◼   ► you mentioned like you know lane [TS]

◼   ► departure warning blind spot detection [TS]

◼   ► that actually doesn't seem that hard to [TS]

◼   ► do like the blind spot detection we're [TS]

◼   ► just kind of like lights up a little [TS]

◼   ► warning light on your sideview mirror [TS]

◼   ► when somebody's in your blind spot like [TS]

◼   ► that I don't think is very complicated [TS]

◼   ► that seems pretty reliable and pretty [TS]

◼   ► easy easy to do these days [TS]

◼   ► so like stuff like that I wouldn't [TS]

◼   ► expect a lot of variation between [TS]

◼   ► manufacturers some of the harder things [TS]

◼   ► like automatic emergency braking like if [TS]

◼   ► you're about to hit a wall and tries to [TS]

◼   ► stop that that kind of thing I would [TS]

◼   ► expect to vary a little more obviously [TS]

◼   ► as cases anything that tries to steer [TS]

◼   ► for you like Tesla's autopilot thing I [TS]

◼   ► would expect that too to vary a lot more [TS]

◼   ► because it's just a more complex problem [TS]

◼   ► so John what's the real answer oh I [TS]

◼   ► don't know I asking me because in the [TS]

◼   ► same way every car magazine well in the [TS]

◼   ► same way that I have never owned a car [TS]

◼   ► that doesn't have three pedals unlike [TS]

◼   ► everyone else in this podcast I've never [TS]

◼   ► owned a car with any of these features [TS]

◼   ► lane-departure forward collision blind [TS]

◼   ► spot detection I have never had a car [TS]

◼   ► with any of those features in it so I [TS]

◼   ► have no idea how they work and honestly [TS]

◼   ► I've been in the same way with the stick [TS]

◼   ► shift I have been intentionally avoiding [TS]

◼   ► those features because as far as I've [TS]

◼   ► been able to tell from reading things [TS]

◼   ► about them and being in other people's [TS]

◼   ► cars that have them they can be super [TS]

◼   ► annoying if they can't be turned off and [TS]

◼   ► if I'm turning them off then why the [TS]

◼   ► hell am I paying extra to get them so I [TS]

◼   ► that's a John it's so I'm I have thus [TS]

◼   ► far avoided getting them it's not to say [TS]

◼   ► that I think they're bad I think they [TS]

◼   ► are good especially the things I like [TS]

◼   ► you know will brake automatically for [TS]

◼   ► you if you're not paying attention and [TS]

◼   ► stuff like that but I mean and the only [TS]

◼   ► ones that even been offered on cars that [TS]

◼   ► I've got are the ones that just use like [TS]

◼   ► lane departure right and you know I have [TS]

◼   ► the pre-tensioning seatbelts and stuff I [TS]

◼   ► have like things that you know pull the [TS]

◼   ► seat belt tighter when you're in an [TS]

◼   ► accident but that's not quite the same [TS]

◼   ► thing as these active systems as for [TS]

◼   ► what my impression of how they might be [TS]

◼   ► on fancy cars which is regular cars as [TS]

◼   ► with all car technology they come out [TS]

◼   ► first on the expensive cars and so the [TS]

◼   ► first first time you're gonna see like [TS]

◼   ► lane departure whatever that was however [TS]

◼   ► many decades ago was probably on like a [TS]

◼   ► BMW or Mercedes or some fancy car right [TS]

◼   ► it was surely an s-class yeah and those [TS]

◼   ► those features when they first come out [TS]

◼   ► are not that great like the very first [TS]

◼   ► anti-lock brakes which was also probably [TS]

◼   ► on a Mercedes or something like that [TS]

◼   ► those anti-lock brakes were not [TS]

◼   ► that great by the time aunty like bricks [TS]

◼   ► comes down to the Honda Civic it has [TS]

◼   ► been refined many many times over and at [TS]

◼   ► the point that you get down to the [TS]

◼   ► bottom of the the ranks of cars [TS]

◼   ► anti-lock brakes are more or less the [TS]

◼   ► same from Mercedes s-class all the way [TS]

◼   ► down to a Honda Civic become becomes [TS]

◼   ► commoditized that doesn't really answer [TS]

◼   ► the question for these things because I [TS]

◼   ► think they are not yet come on ties [TS]

◼   ► especially as Marco pointed out things [TS]

◼   ► to steer the car for you not even close [TS]

◼   ► to commoditize but I would say right now [TS]

◼   ► they're bad on the expensive cars and [TS]

◼   ► non-existent on the cheap cars so I [TS]

◼   ► don't like for features like that if you [TS]

◼   ► run out and get the expensive car just [TS]

◼   ► to get the feature you're probably [TS]

◼   ► getting the worst version of that [TS]

◼   ► feature that is ever going to exist [TS]

◼   ► whereas if you ignore that feature for a [TS]

◼   ► couple of decades by the time it [TS]

◼   ► trickles down to your $15,000 car it'll [TS]

◼   ► be about the same across the entire line [TS]

◼   ► across the entire auto industry that is [TS]

◼   ► self driving is so much more complicated [TS]

◼   ► I'm not sure if that applies to but [TS]

◼   ► things like lane departure and anti-lock [TS]

◼   ► brakes and the front collision warnings [TS]

◼   ► and even like a auto following cruise [TS]

◼   ► control yeah radar cruise that I feel [TS]

◼   ► like you know is filtering down pretty [TS]

◼   ► well now and maybe it's not entirely the [TS]

◼   ► same across the lines maybe it's a [TS]

◼   ► little bit harsher on the bottom ones [TS]

◼   ► but it's way better than the very first [TS]

◼   ► radar cruise control that came out you [TS]

◼   ► know in the 80s or whatever on cadillac [TS]

◼   ► or whoever did it first I will say that [TS]

◼   ► on Aaron's car she has you know pretty [TS]

◼   ► much all of these features and the lane [TS]

◼   ► departure or leaned control whatever is [TS]

◼   ► tremendous I love it it will just gently [TS]

◼   ► nudge you back in the lane and if you [TS]

◼   ► start to drift a little bit or whatever [TS]

◼   ► the case may be and it works really well [TS]

◼   ► I really really like it a lot the panic [TS]

◼   ► stop what is it called I forget the [TS]

◼   ► forward collision warning that [TS]

◼   ► definitely does have some false alarms [TS]

◼   ► from time to time now the good news is [TS]

◼   ► it's a false alarm that's where it tries [TS]

◼   ► for just a flash to stop when it doesn't [TS]

◼   ► need to and I'd rather that then it you [TS]

◼   ► know just to see oh I'm sure it's great [TS]

◼   ► and then we plow into a wall you know [TS]

◼   ► but nevertheless it does occasionally go [TS]

◼   ► Wow and in it you know kind of just it [TS]

◼   ► like instantaneously stands on the [TS]

◼   ► brakes for you and then immediately [TS]

◼   ► let's go oh wow boy is that startling [TS]

◼   ► oh my word is that startling yeah that [TS]

◼   ► would scare the crap out of me like I [TS]

◼   ► have I have like the audible alerts and [TS]

◼   ► I and my car offers automatic emergency [TS]

◼   ► braking but I've never had it engaged I [TS]

◼   ► mean all at all I I do think it is good [TS]

◼   ► and worth it because God forbid I'm not [TS]

◼   ► paying attention and something happens [TS]

◼   ► but there are definitely some false [TS]

◼   ► alarms on it and that's kind of [TS]

◼   ► frustrating and that actually reminds me [TS]

◼   ► that on the Grand Cherokee that I [TS]

◼   ► briefly borrowed before I got the Julia [TS]

◼   ► I noticed that every time I was at a [TS]

◼   ► stoplight I think I might have talked [TS]

◼   ► about this on the show I was at a [TS]

◼   ► two-lane stop yesterday I'm making a [TS]

◼   ► left and you know I was adjacent to [TS]

◼   ► somebody I would start to make the left [TS]

◼   ► and it would go berserk because I [TS]

◼   ► thought I was I was having a collision [TS]

◼   ► with the person next to me and that was [TS]

◼   ► really annoying [TS]

◼   ► but that's the only instance I can think [TS]

◼   ► of where I've seen dramatically [TS]

◼   ► different behavior on safety stuff [TS]

◼   ► between different different [TS]

◼   ► manufacturers but I as we've all said I [TS]

◼   ► think self-driving is a totally [TS]

◼   ► different conversation that has not yet [TS]

◼   ► really been standardized the next one is [TS]

◼   ► mostly from Marco this is Geoff Cooney [TS]

◼   ► writing what is the deal with Leica [TS]

◼   ► cameras I've always loved their [TS]

◼   ► industrial design particularly the M [TS]

◼   ► models but upon doing some research it [TS]

◼   ► seems like their features in spray specs [TS]

◼   ► are no better than other cameras from [TS]

◼   ► leading companies like canon or sony [TS]

◼   ► that cost thousands of dollars less what [TS]

◼   ► am I missing about these cameras that [TS]

◼   ► commands this exorbitant premium I don't [TS]

◼   ► know anything about like the cameras [TS]

◼   ► other than that they look pretty and [TS]

◼   ► that they're super duper expensive so [TS]

◼   ► I'm actually kind of curious as well [TS]

◼   ► Marco what's the story here like has [TS]

◼   ► been around for a very long time and [TS]

◼   ► they have some really impressive [TS]

◼   ► engineering and they have built up a [TS]

◼   ► really strong reputation for a very long [TS]

◼   ► time among high-end usually like more [TS]

◼   ► artsy or hobbyist photographers not [TS]

◼   ► necessarily pros because they don't [TS]

◼   ► quite make gear that would satisfy most [TS]

◼   ► like pro needs if you're like a wedding [TS]

◼   ► photographer or something like you know [TS]

◼   ► you probably not using a Leica for lots [TS]

◼   ► of reasons but the they are very very [TS]

◼   ► expensive and some of that you are just [TS]

◼   ► paying for the brand but they do have a [TS]

◼   ► lot of good qualities that make them [TS]

◼   ► compelling to certain people some of it [TS]

◼   ► is just like if you have a lot of money [TS]

◼   ► and you want really a really cool camera [TS]

◼   ► like you go like it like some I've heard [TS]

◼   ► I've heard them called dentist cameras [TS]

◼   ► but Wow yeah but and I I should clarify [TS]

◼   ► I have very little experience with them [TS]

◼   ► I rented an m9 for Christmas a few years [TS]

◼   ► ago I actually made a big blog post with [TS]

◼   ► some simple pictures about it and and I [TS]

◼   ► found what a lot of people find I think [TS]

◼   ► with them is that like the raw specs of [TS]

◼   ► it were not very competitive especially [TS]

◼   ► for the price things like the sensor [TS]

◼   ► like the noise performance and the [TS]

◼   ► resolution on the sensor was nowhere [TS]

◼   ► near competitive with good sensors that [TS]

◼   ► you know of the same time frame things [TS]

◼   ► like you know the burst rate and [TS]

◼   ► features like like I don't think any of [TS]

◼   ► them offer video you know or least they [TS]

◼   ► didn't for a long time it it seems like [TS]

◼   ► you're paying a really high price for [TS]

◼   ► not top-of-the-line technology within [TS]

◼   ► them but what really impressed me about [TS]

◼   ► like a back then and what still [TS]

◼   ► impresses me today about them is two [TS]

◼   ► major areas number one the optics in [TS]

◼   ► their lenses are just incredible now [TS]

◼   ► when I when I when I rented the m9 and [TS]

◼   ► vert this post back in in Christmas of [TS]

◼   ► 2012 Sony the Sony Fe II series was not [TS]

◼   ► really quite there yet I think it either [TS]

◼   ► wasn't out or was it was just the very [TS]

◼   ► first models and Canon had not updated a [TS]

◼   ► lot of their lenses the way they have [TS]

◼   ► recently and so at back then in 2012 the [TS]

◼   ► Leica M lenses were some of the best [TS]

◼   ► lenses you could get in the industry and [TS]

◼   ► to get the like what blew me away with [TS]

◼   ► with my rental of it was the sheer [TS]

◼   ► optical quality that this like basic [TS]

◼   ► small lens provided it was it was a 35 [TS]

◼   ► millimeter you know f2 prime something [TS]

◼   ► zoom Acron something I don't know [TS]

◼   ► and it and it was like a $3,000 lens [TS]

◼   ► like I mean that's it this is why I [TS]

◼   ► rented a but it was still like the [TS]

◼   ► optical quality blew me away now today [TS]

◼   ► we have a lot more options that also [TS]

◼   ► provide really good optical quality like [TS]

◼   ► basically in the last you know five [TS]

◼   ► years or so there's been a huge [TS]

◼   ► revolution in lens design especially [TS]

◼   ► coming out of Sony and then later on [TS]

◼   ► coming [TS]

◼   ► and unfortunately Nikon people I haven't [TS]

◼   ► been following Nikon that closely I [TS]

◼   ► apologize again but you know clearly [TS]

◼   ► like the the massive upgrade in lens [TS]

◼   ► quality and in krez Ellucian especially [TS]

◼   ► coming out of Sony and Canon over the [TS]

◼   ► last few years has been astronomical and [TS]

◼   ► so like now I feel like you can get [TS]

◼   ► similar optical quality if not even [TS]

◼   ► maybe better optical quality out of [TS]

◼   ► lenses from other manufacturers but back [TS]

◼   ► then you couldn't so that was one thing [TS]

◼   ► that blew me away that's still like I'm [TS]

◼   ► looking looking at this blog post I made [TS]

◼   ► like still to this day it's still really [TS]

◼   ► really good optics and really good [TS]

◼   ► pictures coming out of this the second [TS]

◼   ► thing that like it has going for it a [TS]

◼   ► lot of the times is that the way a [TS]

◼   ► camera interprets the data coming off of [TS]

◼   ► its sensors is not all the same between [TS]

◼   ► different camera manufacturers every [TS]

◼   ► manufacturer and oftentimes even between [TS]

◼   ► different models have different ways of [TS]

◼   ► interpreting the the raw sensor data and [TS]

◼   ► then they have different ways to apply [TS]

◼   ► things like color tone and color balance [TS]

◼   ► and contrast and sharpening and things [TS]

◼   ► like that you know the what you get off [TS]

◼   ► the raw sensor is not anywhere close to [TS]

◼   ► the final picture with any camera iPhone [TS]

◼   ► all the way up to you know like a em [TS]

◼   ► whatever like us processing of the [TS]

◼   ► photos is just really appealing to me [TS]

◼   ► and a lot of people like the way it [TS]

◼   ► renders colors the way it renders [TS]

◼   ► contrast and things like it just makes [TS]

◼   ► really nice pictures without a lot of [TS]

◼   ► effort without having to do a lot of [TS]

◼   ► post-processing on them or without [TS]

◼   ► having to like manually tweak a lot of [TS]

◼   ► the colors and color balance and [TS]

◼   ► everything else it's again this is [TS]

◼   ► another ones area where it's a lot of [TS]

◼   ► interest personal preference like like [TS]

◼   ► TIFF does not like the way my Sony [TS]

◼   ► cameras render colors she she she can't [TS]

◼   ► get the color balance she wants out of [TS]

◼   ► my Sony's I can't get the color balance [TS]

◼   ► I want out of canons it's it's it's a [TS]

◼   ► personal preference and Leica has its [TS]

◼   ► own color balancing that it does that to [TS]

◼   ► me is just incredibly appealing and and [TS]

◼   ► that's been one of the only things [TS]

◼   ► that's ever really tempted me to give [TS]

◼   ► that another try maybe and maybe even [TS]

◼   ► buy one is just like the color rendering [TS]

◼   ► is just incredible on them and and the [TS]

◼   ► way it renders tones and everything it's [TS]

◼   ► just really nice so there's areas about [TS]

◼   ► photography [TS]

◼   ► that aren't just about the specs and [TS]

◼   ► this it's hard for it especially because [TS]

◼   ► I was getting into this at this hobby [TS]

◼   ► and as I've developed over time you know [TS]

◼   ► in this hobby it's been hard for me to [TS]

◼   ► learn that and and to feel that that [TS]

◼   ► like to me it was so much all about [TS]

◼   ► specs for so long but now I'm realizing [TS]

◼   ► like there's more to it than that and so [TS]

◼   ► the appeal of Leica in part it is yes [TS]

◼   ► like you know like a rich dentist slash [TS]

◼   ► hipster thing because they're cool but [TS]

◼   ► it's there's reasons that you would buy [TS]

◼   ► it that aren't just because it's cool [TS]

◼   ► like it actually backs that up with [TS]

◼   ► really nice photo processing really nice [TS]

◼   ► you know tones and colors and everything [TS]

◼   ► and it's just stunningly good optics in [TS]

◼   ► most of their lenses so that being said [TS]

◼   ► there's also a couple other like you [TS]

◼   ► know they have so many different models [TS]

◼   ► now it's hard to keep track so [TS]

◼   ► everything I just said was based on my [TS]

◼   ► experience with the m9 that's been [TS]

◼   ► updated lots since then there's other [TS]

◼   ► full-frame rangefinder models there's [TS]

◼   ► there they have a couple of mirrorless [TS]

◼   ► ones I don't know if they have [TS]

◼   ► interchangeable lens yet it's hard to [TS]

◼   ► keep track honestly because they [TS]

◼   ► actually do a fair number of models [TS]

◼   ► these days they have some that only [TS]

◼   ► shoot in black and white and actually [TS]

◼   ► have to play with that one that the [TS]

◼   ► black and white only one it was like [TS]

◼   ► some kind of like meryl asthenia direct [TS]

◼   ► competitor to the Sony rx1 what blew me [TS]

◼   ► away about it was compared to at the [TS]

◼   ► time my a7 r2 that I had it was way more [TS]

◼   ► responsive like you could the viewfinder [TS]

◼   ► it was like the difference between like [TS]

◼   ► 15 frames per second and 60 frames a [TS]

◼   ► second like it was like the viewfinder [TS]

◼   ► was like just it was like looking [TS]

◼   ► through a piece of glass like it was [TS]

◼   ► even though it was electronic you know [TS]

◼   ► looking through a sensor it was just so [TS]

◼   ► such a high refresh rate so should i [TS]

◼   ► frame rate was just precise fast you can [TS]

◼   ► snap pictures just boom boom boom boom [TS]

◼   ► boom it would not slow down it just [TS]

◼   ► handled really well it was very [TS]

◼   ► satisfying to use and again the tones I [TS]

◼   ► that I saw out of that graph this was [TS]

◼   ► like literally playing with a friend's [TS]

◼   ► camera at a conference for five minutes [TS]

◼   ► so I didn't get a lot of use out of it [TS]

◼   ► but like it was very compelling and if [TS]

◼   ► at the time I had a need for a fixed [TS]

◼   ► lens camera that you couldn't change [TS]

◼   ► lenses on where I actually wanted that [TS]

◼   ► particular lens I would have seriously [TS]

◼   ► considered that so yet more qualities [TS]

◼   ► that cameras can have that are not about [TS]

◼   ► specs and that are hard hard to get in [TS]

◼   ► reviews or [TS]

◼   ► if you might mention it but you might [TS]

◼   ► zoom past it because you think it's BS [TS]

◼   ► or or you don't think that's a speck or [TS]

◼   ► you don't care but Leica has earned the [TS]

◼   ► reputation for good reasons they might [TS]

◼   ► not line up with what you want in a [TS]

◼   ► camera and they you know it's up to you [TS]

◼   ► whether you think it's worth they're [TS]

◼   ► quite high prices but there are reasons [TS]

◼   ► for it that's interesting [TS]

◼   ► I'm surprised you don't have one I mean [TS]

◼   ► you don't know that I don't have one no [TS]

◼   ► I don't have you also need to call [TS]

◼   ► attention to this adorable picture of [TS]

◼   ► baby Adam in this post my little thanks [TS]

◼   ► for sponsors this week away Linode and [TS]

◼   ► ero and we'll talk to you next week now [TS]

◼   ► the show is over [TS]

◼   ► they didn't even need to begin because [TS]

◼   ► it was accidental accidental [TS]

◼   ► [Music] [TS]

◼   ► research Marco and Casey wouldn't let [TS]

◼   ► him cuz it was accidentally was [TS]

◼   ► accidental and you can find the show [TS]

◼   ► notes a day follow them CAS UIL ISS so [TS]

◼   ► that's Casey less and a RC own a RM ante [TS]

◼   ► Marco Arment are a Syracuse [TS]

◼   ► do we have your baby updates it's mostly [TS]

◼   ► find actually the thing that's that's I [TS]

◼   ► maybe not interesting but the the the [TS]

◼   ► thing that we've been fighting with [TS]

◼   ► lately is we moved Declan to a toddler [TS]

◼   ► bed or whatever you call it so basically [TS]

◼   ► instead of being in a full-on crib he's [TS]

◼   ► in a bed that he can easily climb out of [TS]

◼   ► and has been for a few months now I [TS]

◼   ► forget exactly how long but it's been a [TS]

◼   ► not insignificant insignificant amount [TS]

◼   ► of time but over the last couple of [TS]

◼   ► weeks particularly this is this had [TS]

◼   ► started before Michaela but it's been [TS]

◼   ► particularly egregious the last vault a [TS]

◼   ► few days most especially but egregious [TS]

◼   ► in general in the last few weeks he'll [TS]

◼   ► get out of his bed and tell us like come [TS]

◼   ► to our room record you know whatever the [TS]

◼   ► case may be and tell us I don't like [TS]

◼   ► sleep time or I'm hungry or I'm thirsty [TS]

◼   ► or my favorite legitimate complaints how [TS]

◼   ► are you addressing this I'm hungry in so [TS]

◼   ► many in a very very gentle way I'm [TS]

◼   ► obviously paraphrasing but I'm hungry [TS]

◼   ► tough noogies he should have eaten more [TS]

◼   ► before we warned you about this before [TS]

◼   ► he came upstairs you're not getting any [TS]

◼   ► more food I'm thirsty is here's a little [TS]

◼   ► you know cup of water drink it and then [TS]

◼   ► you're done and then eventually actually [TS]

◼   ► have gotten to the point of leaving him [TS]

◼   ► a bottle of water in his room just to [TS]

◼   ► get away from the I'm thirsty complaints [TS]

◼   ► you know the answer as well you have a [TS]

◼   ► bottle of water in your room drink it [TS]

◼   ► but my favorite is I don't like rest [TS]

◼   ► time in which case it's like well how do [TS]

◼   ► you say to a three-year-old tough shit [TS]

◼   ► this happens every night like you know [TS]

◼   ► there's no reasoning with them do they [TS]

◼   ► ever come in and say I missed the love [TS]

◼   ► that his baby stole for me no not yet [TS]

◼   ► not yet dark because I feel like that's [TS]

◼   ► what he's saying maybe maybe it is and [TS]

◼   ► I'm trying to stay cool about it [TS]

◼   ► couldn't be the universal kid thing of I [TS]

◼   ► don't want to go to sleep right now well [TS]

◼   ► and that's what that's what I've been [TS]

◼   ► attributing it to genuine well you know [TS]

◼   ► he's describing this as a change in [TS]

◼   ► behavior so I'm saying what's changed [TS]

◼   ► recently in declan's life well it's [TS]

◼   ► gotten worse since Michaela like you I [TS]

◼   ► think you're both right to be honest and [TS]

◼   ► I think I personally come down more on [TS]

◼   ► marco side but again I think you're both [TS]

◼   ► right it started before Michaela but got [TS]

◼   ► worse in the last week or two and my [TS]

◼   ► favorite is when he comes out of his [TS]

◼   ► room Declan why are you out of your room [TS]

◼   ► I don't [TS]

◼   ► yeah you can tell like even like what [TS]

◼   ► Adam does that too sometimes and it's [TS]

◼   ► like you can tell like you know what do [TS]

◼   ► you need you can tell the gears start [TS]

◼   ► turning at that point to come up with [TS]

◼   ► something say it's so true I mean so one [TS]

◼   ► one issue is is he's still napping right [TS]

◼   ► well sort of so right he he has quiet [TS]

◼   ► time in his room where he is allowed to [TS]

◼   ► like get out of bed and play quietly or [TS]

◼   ► whatever and I would say between a third [TS]

◼   ► and a half of the days he will actually [TS]

◼   ► sleep for that and the other two-thirds [TS]

◼   ► we over half to two-thirds he's just [TS]

◼   ► sitting there playing in his room or in [TS]

◼   ► his bed yeah so what we found and what I [TS]

◼   ► think a couple of our friends have also [TS]

◼   ► found so it seems to be a thing is you [TS]

◼   ► know obviously like when you're [TS]

◼   ► transitioning out of nap phase really [TS]

◼   ► like yeah yeah yeah you're go to the [TS]

◼   ► point where most days he shouldn't be [TS]

◼   ► having a nap and what we found is that [TS]

◼   ► when we were in that phase the days that [TS]

◼   ► he would nap would be the days that he [TS]

◼   ► would just be impossible to keep in bed [TS]

◼   ► because he just wasn't tired enough like [TS]

◼   ► it when you start think about that way [TS]

◼   ► it's like well you're the best thing you [TS]

◼   ► can do it sounds like you're probably at [TS]

◼   ► that phase so just stop napping like me [TS]

◼   ► and and do what you can to make it that [TS]

◼   ► he does not nap like don't like take a [TS]

◼   ► long car drive right in the [TS]

◼   ► mid-afternoon interface and even like [TS]

◼   ► that like don't like trying to give him [TS]

◼   ► a chance to nap try to keep him from [TS]

◼   ► doing that by various activity planning [TS]

◼   ► or anything because then when bed time [TS]

◼   ► rolls around he will be tired enough [TS]

◼   ► that he will just go to bed and and not [TS]

◼   ► give you as hard of a time about it [TS]

◼   ► because he'll just be so tired like [TS]

◼   ► that's what we found you have to think [TS]

◼   ► about moving his bed time to because [TS]

◼   ► like I know like you have a routine [TS]

◼   ► you're like great we have a child and [TS]

◼   ► the child owes goes to bed at X o'clock [TS]

◼   ► that is going to change and it's not [TS]

◼   ► going to change like on its own you have [TS]

◼   ► to consciously think oh he's not six [TS]

◼   ► months anymore now he's three should his [TS]

◼   ► bedtime be different right and repeat [TS]

◼   ► until they're five and 10 and 13 like [TS]

◼   ► you can't as much as I love would love [TS]

◼   ► to do i love the naps I love being let's [TS]

◼   ► put the kids to bed at 7:30 with that [TS]

◼   ► sadly does not last yeah I don't know I [TS]

◼   ► mean it's fine and the grand scheme of [TS]

◼   ► things things could be so much until [TS]

◼   ► until they encroach on every waking hour [TS]

◼   ► of your [TS]

◼   ► well life's like wait a second if by the [TS]

◼   ► time the kids are in bed it's time for [TS]

◼   ► me to go to bed when is my time you're [TS]

◼   ► like that's right it's gone it's gone [TS]

◼   ► isn't it no naps and they go to bed at [TS]

◼   ► the same time as you welcome to your [TS]

◼   ► future [TS]

◼   ► future [TS]

◼   ► so anyway so what you ordered Shake [TS]

◼   ► Shack I'm still jealous so TIFF and I [TS]

◼   ► have you know we go on special occasions [TS]

◼   ► on time to the Shake Shack normally our [TS]

◼   ► order is a Shack burger each which is [TS]

◼   ► the cheeseburger like the basic like one [TS]

◼   ► patty cheeseburger [TS]

◼   ► which is somewhat small so a Shack [TS]

◼   ► burger each we share in order of cheese [TS]

◼   ► fries and we share a black-and-white [TS]

◼   ► shake solid today we decide because [TS]

◼   ► every time when you finish that burger [TS]

◼   ► because it's such a good burger but it's [TS]

◼   ► also a relatively small burger every [TS]

◼   ► time you order that you think I wonder [TS]

◼   ► if I could have gotten away with a [TS]

◼   ► second burger so today we decided to [TS]

◼   ► splurge being that his Valentine's Day [TS]

◼   ► this was our special trip to the city [TS]

◼   ► just to eat Shake Shack and we got three [TS]

◼   ► burgers and we cut the third one in half [TS]

◼   ► so we each had 1.5 burgers that is [TS]

◼   ► actually a very good choice yeah and it [TS]

◼   ► turned out we were pretty full but it [TS]

◼   ► was not like a mistake well you really [TS]

◼   ► you really uh you know stress yourself [TS]

◼   ► out a little bit with all the top four [TS]

◼   ► episodes now you're able to handle that [TS]

◼   ► much exactly there is the no Shake Shack [TS]

◼   ► anywhere near me I think the nearest one [TS]

◼   ► is in DC which is like a two-hour drive [TS]

◼   ► and it makes me so sad because you know [TS]

◼   ► as with what is it in and out like in [TS]

◼   ► and out I think is very tasty but a [TS]

◼   ► little bit overrated and I think with [TS]

◼   ► Shake Shack I would say it's less [TS]

◼   ► overrated but but what I'm driving at is [TS]

◼   ► that some of the appeal is that it is [TS]

◼   ► not approximate is that'll work the word [TS]

◼   ► I'm looking for it's not near me and so [TS]

◼   ► because it's not near me I seek it and [TS]

◼   ► yearn for it in a way that I very much [TS]

◼   ► do for in and out even though I would [TS]

◼   ► say like you know in and out is good [TS]

◼   ► where Shake Shack is great I'm surprised [TS]

◼   ► you asked mark or what he got at Shake [TS]

◼   ► Shack [TS]

◼   ► there's like nothing on that menu they [TS]

◼   ► expanded it quite a bit over the last [TS]

◼   ► couple years like there's like as [TS]

◼   ► they've expanded what well there's [TS]

◼   ► there's like burgers there's chicken [TS]

◼   ► sandwich now there's oh there's always [TS]

◼   ► the mushroom vegetarian sandwich I think [TS]

◼   ► there's a treatment option now there's [TS]

◼   ► hot dogs that there's a lot like there's [TS]

◼   ► no about the hotdog they've got like two [TS]

◼   ► kinds of burgers a hot dog a bunch of [TS]

◼   ► different kinds of shakes and fries that [TS]

◼   ► are not [TS]

◼   ► good and the mushroom burger don't [TS]

◼   ► forget that I said a bunch of different [TS]

◼   ► kinds of burgers I get the Shack burger [TS]

◼   ► to this it's like that's you know I [TS]

◼   ► don't variety we're just fine [TS]

◼   ► I like the burger it's a good burger but [TS]

◼   ► uh it has better fries I don't think [TS]

◼   ► I've had it and out before I have had [TS]

◼   ► five guys there's those around here and [TS]

◼   ► I find them incredibly disappointing I [TS]

◼   ► don't I don't think five guys is even in [TS]

◼   ► the same league like to me five guys I'd [TS]

◼   ► rather just have like McDonald's or [TS]

◼   ► Burger King or Wendy's like it's it's in [TS]

◼   ► that it's at that little way you're [TS]

◼   ► insane Five Guys is so much better than [TS]

◼   ► McDonald's burger right so hold on so [TS]

◼   ► five guys if I'm not mistaken started [TS]

◼   ► either in Virginia in the DC suburbs or [TS]

◼   ► in DC proper and so I feel some amount [TS]

◼   ► of need to defend Five Guys five guys to [TS]

◼   ► me is the kind of burger you have once a [TS]

◼   ► year because it is this is here's a [TS]

◼   ► Simpsons reference for you jobs it takes [TS]

◼   ► you a year to forget how bad it is and [TS]

◼   ► how worth it it isn't and Shake Shack is [TS]

◼   ► better but five guys I think is pretty [TS]

◼   ► good so here's the thing with five guys [TS]

◼   ► though is that it's so unbelievably and [TS]

◼   ► unabashedly greasy not to say it's not [TS]

◼   ► tasty but it's so greasy I don't think [TS]

◼   ► so I think I think Shake Shack is grease [TS]

◼   ► easier than five guys let's see I [TS]

◼   ► haven't had five guys in a while so [TS]

◼   ► maybe right but the point I'm driving at [TS]

◼   ► it's like dr. Nick when he was telling [TS]

◼   ► Homer how to get fat and he just like [TS]

◼   ► held up a piece of chicken or something [TS]

◼   ► like that to the wall or to a piece of [TS]

◼   ► paper or something I don't remember the [TS]

◼   ► exact reference but you know basically [TS]

◼   ► says hey if it's see-through then you [TS]

◼   ► can eat it and that's how you gonna get [TS]

◼   ► really fat I feel like that's I feel [TS]

◼   ► like that's five guys yeah and so I feel [TS]

◼   ► it even if I only have like my typical [TS]

◼   ► order is a little bacon cheeseburger and [TS]

◼   ► I say that as I go off and I go again [TS]

◼   ► like once a year but I feel like after I [TS]

◼   ► have my little bacon cheeseburger and [TS]

◼   ► fries I feel like a beach I love that [TS]

◼   ► it's called a little burger - dude like [TS]

◼   ► I love it like they make you like trying [TS]

◼   ► to shame you into not overeating it's [TS]

◼   ► like they make you say the indignity of [TS]

◼   ► like can I have the little burger please [TS]

◼   ► like its shape check if you say The [TS]

◼   ► Shack burger the Shack burger is [TS]

◼   ► available in single or double patty but [TS]

◼   ► the default is single which is probably [TS]

◼   ► what you should get like you don't have [TS]

◼   ► to say can I please have the smallest [TS]

◼   ► burger you have even though that's what [TS]

◼   ► it is [TS]

◼   ► yeah so anyway so the point of driving [TS]

◼   ► out is after I eat one I or after I eat [TS]

◼   ► at five guys I need like six months to a [TS]

◼   ► year to recover because I feel like a [TS]

◼   ► beached whale and [TS]

◼   ► you gotta you gotta train yourself up [TS]

◼   ► because we get five guys here all the [TS]

◼   ► time I mean shit we have Shake Shack and [TS]

◼   ► five guys both close to us so we get [TS]

◼   ► them both plenty and yeah I think what [TS]

◼   ► you're thinking with the grease bomb is [TS]

◼   ► Five Guys fries they're just grease [TS]

◼   ► bombs and are varying quality and they [TS]

◼   ► give you like that's the thing about [TS]

◼   ► five guys they give you [TS]

◼   ► I think it's must be in their manual [TS]

◼   ► when somebody artist fries fill up [TS]

◼   ► whatever cup size they told you to it [TS]

◼   ► does more but also dump a whole bunch [TS]

◼   ► more which is fine like as far like [TS]

◼   ► place it in a bag and then pour more [TS]

◼   ► fries on top of it such that the entire [TS]

◼   ► bottom of the bag so your cup of fries [TS]

◼   ► is padded from damage by other fries and [TS]

◼   ► I think that's a good corporate policy [TS]

◼   ► because potatoes are cheap right and [TS]

◼   ► they've got them stacked up in the thing [TS]

◼   ► there and they give you more than you [TS]

◼   ► could ever possibly want some people [TS]

◼   ► feel like that's generous especially for [TS]

◼   ► the ridiculous prices everybody charges [TS]

◼   ► for these rehearse right for you know it [TS]

◼   ► seems like five guys fans rave about [TS]

◼   ► their fries a lot honestly I find them [TS]

◼   ► absolutely nothing special and maybe [TS]

◼   ► maybe this is just because the five guys [TS]

◼   ► nearest to us might may be just a [TS]

◼   ► terrible location like maybe it's just a [TS]

◼   ► bad five guys but again one area where I [TS]

◼   ► think Shake Shack has done very well is [TS]

◼   ► it so far I've eaten that probably five [TS]

◼   ► or six distinct Shake Shack locations [TS]

◼   ► and they are remarkably consistent they [TS]

◼   ► are all that they've all been [TS]

◼   ► consistently good for me everything [TS]

◼   ► tastes like exactly the same what are [TS]

◼   ► you what are your uh Shake Shack fries [TS]

◼   ► what what kind of that because they've [TS]

◼   ► changed them and it might be location [TS]

◼   ► specific we have what used I guess what [TS]

◼   ► used to be the only kind which is they [TS]

◼   ► almost look like frozen crinkle-cut [TS]

◼   ► fries yep all right that's what we have [TS]

◼   ► to but they they went to shoestring for [TS]

◼   ► a while near us and it was grim no [TS]

◼   ► that's that's bad that's bad it can be [TS]

◼   ► good but their's weren't those we're not [TS]

◼   ► good so they changed back but but I [TS]

◼   ► think the griot fries are not [TS]

◼   ► particularly good oh I think they're [TS]

◼   ► wonderful to me like Shake Shack fries [TS]

◼   ► they taste like like frozen fries from [TS]

◼   ► your childhood except done really well [TS]

◼   ► and also I don't find them greasy really [TS]

◼   ► at all like you know beyond what you [TS]

◼   ► know the minimum required to deep-fry [TS]

◼   ► something but like you know where Five [TS]

◼   ► Guys fries I feel like could make a [TS]

◼   ► piece of paper clear by just going near [TS]

◼   ► that piece of paper I Shake Shack fries [TS]

◼   ► really don't seem greasy at least five [TS]

◼   ► guys has the Cajun option if you get [TS]

◼   ► sick of the regular fries [TS]

◼   ► yeah but Shake Shack fries are so good [TS]

◼   ► you don't get sick of them you [TS]

◼   ► put cheese on top of them and the cheese [TS]

◼   ► fries are really good no the cheese is [TS]

◼   ► gross it's like Cheez Whiz like it's [TS]

◼   ► Casey's Velveeta it's nope it's kind of [TS]

◼   ► it's it's like it's lighter in color [TS]

◼   ► than like a slice of American cheese or [TS]

◼   ► like most nacho cheese sauce I don't use [TS]

◼   ► food it's definitely some kind of you [TS]

◼   ► know well it is because it melts very [TS]

◼   ► well but it's it's a really nice like [TS]

◼   ► somewhat mild cheese sauce these [TS]

◼   ► distributions always really nice and [TS]

◼   ► they give you that little wooden stick [TS]

◼   ► to pick up the fries with it's so good [TS]

◼   ► i'm with marco in this however i do need [TS]

◼   ► to also bring up for those of us who are [TS]

◼   ► from mr. Velveeta was the fake cheese [TS]

◼   ► surprise surprise I also need to bring [TS]

◼   ► up for those of you who live south of [TS]

◼   ► the mason-dixon specifically in or [TS]

◼   ► around North Carolina there's a chain [TS]

◼   ► called cookout wherein you can get a [TS]

◼   ► truly heinous amount of food for a [TS]

◼   ► hilariously small amount of money and if [TS]

◼   ► you've never experienced cookout but [TS]

◼   ► have the opportunity you need to try it [TS]

◼   ► and cook out their burgers taste [TS]

◼   ► guess what like you had just cooked them [TS]

◼   ► at a cookout or as some people is it [TS]

◼   ► where is it that they call any sort of [TS]

◼   ► like picnicky cookout thing of barbecue [TS]

◼   ► which is completely bananas is that the [TS]

◼   ► northeast of the whole country except [TS]

◼   ► for the south BBQ is its own thing [TS]

◼   ► anyway honestly I gotta say I don't like [TS]

◼   ► I don't and I'm using the lowercase [TS]

◼   ► version of the cookout word here I don't [TS]

◼   ► like cookout burgers most of the time [TS]

◼   ► burgers I in my opinion are best made on [TS]

◼   ► a flat griddle surface whereas when you [TS]

◼   ► put it on like that the rack of a grill [TS]

◼   ► especially the way most people you know [TS]

◼   ► most most people or just amateur you [TS]

◼   ► know barbecue cooks or grill cooks [TS]

◼   ► whatever whatever word you use for the [TS]

◼   ► that large metal box that you would put [TS]

◼   ► hamburgers and hot dogs in for me my [TS]

◼   ► move is always to go for the hot dogs [TS]

◼   ► because first of all it they're they're [TS]

◼   ► less filling usually so like you can [TS]

◼   ► have just one or you can have two [TS]

◼   ► depending on how hungry you are you get [TS]

◼   ► a more room for the side dishes which [TS]