Cortex

◼   ► so we watched six days to air which is

◼   ► documentary about how an episode of

◼   ► South Park is created and the reason

◼   ► this documentary exists and the reason

◼   ► it is interesting is that for the last

◼   ► number of years the team behind South

◼   ► Park they will come up with an idea for

◼   ► an episode right the episode animator

◼   ► and voice actor within six days and then

◼   ► it is played to the world on Comedy

◼   ► Central

◼   ► so that is why this documentary team

◼   ► decided to come and take a look at what

◼   ► that process is like because I this has

◼   ► never been done before this is the only

◼   ► animation to be done in this way at this

◼   ► scale for this long so they are wholly

◼   ► unique and it presents with it a bunch

◼   ► of very interesting challenges that the

◼   ► team goes through which is what we want

◼   ► to look at as a way to kind of do a mini

◼   ► I guess it's a kind of like a case study

◼   ► on how people work under pressure I can

◼   ► hardly think of other jobs that would be

◼   ► this kind of pressure mm-hmm you know

◼   ► running through the roster and I'm

◼   ► thinking uh air traffic controllers I

◼   ► know that's a lot of that's a lot of

◼   ► pressure but but producing creating from

◼   ► nothing and going to a completed show in

◼   ► the space of a week is insanity and for

◼   ► comparison they mentioned like The

◼   ► Simpsons which is the most comparable

◼   ► animated show to South Park in no small

◼   ► part because they have both been on the

◼   ► air forever and we're sort of started

◼   ► around the same ish era The Simpsons

◼   ► takes months to produce each episode so

◼   ► it's not just like oh they're doing it

◼   ► in six days and other other shows take

◼   ► two weeks I know it's a it's an it's an

◼   ► incredible difference between the the

◼   ► production cycle and other shows the

◼   ► creators of South Park Matt and Trey you

◼   ► know they are interesting guys they've

◼   ► done a lot of different projects over

◼   ► the years and when I was watching South

◼   ► Park when I was younger like the show

◼   ► has been on now for 20 plus years and

◼   ► I've seen a lot of the first ten

◼   ► years I haven't seen a lot of it in the

◼   ► most recent 10 years but when I watched

◼   ► it back in the sort of pre-internet days

◼   ► I remember noting how quickly things

◼   ► that happened in the world were able to

◼   ► work their way into the show and I

◼   ► always wondered like how is it that a

◼   ► show like South Park is able to respond

◼   ► to things in the world on such a such a

◼   ► short timeframe whereas everything else

◼   ► that's created for television it clearly

◼   ► is created that can have in a void of

◼   ► timelessness that it could it could

◼   ► occur at any point I always just found

◼   ► that notable and weird and it made South

◼   ► Park feel like a a special different

◼   ► show that it could react to something

◼   ► that happened last week and I always

◼   ► wondered and now I have the answer the

◼   ► way they were able to do that is with an

◼   ► insane working schedule that nobody else

◼   ► in the world would copy so the

◼   ► documentary begins and when set is March

◼   ► 2011 and for context the show we've been

◼   ► on a bit of a break a longer break man

◼   ► had ever taken before because Parker and

◼   ► stone had just debuted their musical the

◼   ► Book of Mormon and it was up for a bunch

◼   ► of Tony Awards and they just kind of got

◼   ► the first run or the first few shows out

◼   ► of the way before returning back to

◼   ► South Park so there had been a

◼   ► significant period of time where the

◼   ► show had not been on the air because

◼   ► without Parker and stone

◼   ► there is no South Park but they couldn't

◼   ► make it without them as you kind of come

◼   ► to learn over the course of the

◼   ► documentary so they took a break they

◼   ► took a long break and then they come

◼   ► back and episode one of this season also

◼   ► just completely lucky on the documentary

◼   ► makers parts ends up becoming one of the

◼   ► most infamous episodes that has ever

◼   ► been created it was an episode called

◼   ► humancentipad

◼   ► we don't need to go into it right like

◼   ► it is what it is it's one of the most

◼   ► infamous episodes that they ever made

◼   ► but it was just interesting to watch how

◼   ► that all came together over the course

◼   ► of this week it's an infamous episode

◼   ► because it is iPads crossed with the

◼   ► human centipede yes oh yeah

◼   ► yeah it's very South Park it is the most

◼   ► South Park it could be but because they

◼   ► taking this break one of the things that

◼   ► I was astounded by was how long it took

◼   ► them to come up with the concept of the

◼   ► episode it's like one or two days of the

◼   ► six days they're still working out what

◼   ► the episodes about and that seems wild

◼   ► to me right like I assume that as the

◼   ► seasons go by they have some ideas in

◼   ► the bank but they started on just like a

◼   ► completely blank slate trying to work

◼   ► out how to complete the episode right so

◼   ► it's like dead nothing can happen so

◼   ► everybody's kind of is so much hanging

◼   ► around like the rest of the team are

◼   ► just waiting like there's times later on

◼   ► in the episode where individuals are

◼   ► sleeping in the offices because the

◼   ► script might come at 3:30 in the morning

◼   ► and then they can get the work like

◼   ► there seems to be this just really wild

◼   ► work schedule that everybody goes

◼   ► through the way the show usually runs is

◼   ► that they're there they build up some

◼   ► kind of events that are occurring

◼   ► throughout the several episodes and so

◼   ► that there's they end up with ongoing

◼   ► stories that take place over the course

◼   ► of the season but because because like

◼   ► you said they're coming back into work

◼   ► it's the start of a brand new season

◼   ► it's also because they've been on such a

◼   ► big break that I found the same thing

◼   ► was astounding where it's I think is

◼   ► sort of like six people in the writers

◼   ► room you know Matt Matt and Trey are the

◼   ► two main guys obviously they have the

◼   ► producer there they have a couple other

◼   ► writers that they're people who are

◼   ► there

◼   ► but the beginning of the documentary is

◼   ► just all of these shots of them just

◼   ► sitting there I may stay in a room a lot

◼   ► of chasing looking up looking up at the

◼   ► ceiling and they're just they're just

◼   ► tossing out things that are zeitgeist II

◼   ► all right so they're like uh there's

◼   ► been a lot of there's been a lot of news

◼   ► about that tsunami that occurred our

◼   ► tsunamis funny alright they're looking

◼   ► around trying to think of tsunamis are

◼   ► funny and it I agree with you when you

◼   ► see that the premise of the documentary

◼   ► is okay it takes six days to make an

◼   ► episode of South Park and you realize

◼   ► that close to a third of that time at

◼   ► least on the first episode

◼   ► is just sitting around trying to think

◼   ► up what the show is going to be it makes

◼   ► it even more astounding and it's it

◼   ► really it's like the production is a lot

◼   ► closer to four days to air and and we we

◼   ► have the actual idea on the morning of

◼   ► the fourth day that that's what it

◼   ► that's when it starts to come together

◼   ► yeah there's a quote from one of the

◼   ► producers and this is like at the

◼   ► beginning of the six days there's a show

◼   ► on Wednesday we don't even know what it

◼   ► is there is it just an incredible

◼   ► pressure that goes to it and I mean

◼   ► there is a part of me that can

◼   ► sympathize in a very very small way so

◼   ► you know I produce a number of shows

◼   ► that are focused around news and

◼   ► sometimes you get to like two days

◼   ► before the episode and there's nothing

◼   ► but the episode is being recorded in two

◼   ► days so like what do you do and then

◼   ► there is that this do you come up with

◼   ► some kind of evergreen topic like

◼   ► something that isn't news based do you

◼   ► sit with your fingers crossed hoping

◼   ► that there will be news like is nowhere

◼   ► near the scale that this is at because

◼   ► it's like creating something wholly

◼   ► larger with many many dependencies but I

◼   ► can totally understand the feeling of

◼   ► like it being completely out of our

◼   ► hands like we don't know what it's gonna

◼   ► be and eventually there's gonna have to

◼   ► be an episode but as of right now no one

◼   ► knows what its gonna look like

◼   ► yeah and I've there are two moments with

◼   ► Trey Parker in particular where I felt

◼   ► like oh dude you have all of my sympathy

◼   ► in the world but but one of the scenes

◼   ► is he's trying to work on the script

◼   ► that's the McDonald's delivery I was

◼   ► wondering how I I specifically wrote

◼   ► down to ask you what you thought of Trey

◼   ► Pacha's script writing process there's a

◼   ► couple of things in here but it's like

◼   ► he's getting he's getting what looks

◼   ► like just the world's worst McDonald's

◼   ► meal delivered to him they say it makes

◼   ► me happy for five minutes yeah the

◼   ► documentary guy asks him about like this

◼   ► clear

◼   ► two bags of garbage he's about to pour

◼   ► into himself and yeah and that's that's

◼   ► a surprise like oh it makes me happy for

◼   ► five minutes

◼   ► and just talking about how at this at

◼   ► this point it's a little bit after they

◼   ► have come up with the actual idea but he

◼   ► still needs to sit down and turn it into

◼   ► a real script and I have a lot of

◼   ► sympathy for that behavior of like oh

◼   ► he's doing something that he knows is

◼   ► self-destructive but it's bringing him a

◼   ► little bit of joy in the middle of what

◼   ► is a miserable process because he

◼   ► clearly hates the scriptwriting thing

◼   ► and it's this unlike the writers room

◼   ► where they're trying to come up with the

◼   ► ideas and there's people and he's

◼   ► bouncing stuff off and you can see that

◼   ► he's much more lively there the script

◼   ► writing process is like well it's just

◼   ► Trey Parker sitting in a room with a

◼   ► computer with no one yeah it was wild to

◼   ► me that he writes it just him like they

◼   ► have writers but they're not writers in

◼   ► this in the sense of you know you know I

◼   ► don't know what the term is but like

◼   ► when I think of writers like are there

◼   ► write in the whole episode doesn't work

◼   ► like that they're coming up with the

◼   ► ideas and helping him flesh out some of

◼   ► the plot points but all of the dialogue

◼   ► is actually just written by Trey Parker

◼   ► yeah it's it's it's crazy I mean let

◼   ► alone the fact that they still to this

◼   ► day voice the vast majority of the cost

◼   ► as well yeah yeah I mean there's there's

◼   ► so much that they do it's it's

◼   ► unbelievable but the the the reason why

◼   ► I had this double sympathy for him was

◼   ► because it's like okay I get that like

◼   ► you're eating crap because you've just

◼   ► got a bunch of work to do and like

◼   ► that's a behavior that I have tried to

◼   ► breed out of myself over time and I've

◼   ► gotten way better about it but it's like

◼   ► when I was faster at producing videos

◼   ► it's like my health really suffered and

◼   ► it was like oh yeah this looks familiar

◼   ► I know this like yeah you happy for a

◼   ► minute but the other thing that to me is

◼   ► again in the smallest way but is also

◼   ► now much more my world than it was years

◼   ► ago is okay the one the one thing is no

◼   ► more but the new thing is where he talks

◼   ► about how he's sitting there writing the

◼   ► script and he just knows that the

◼   ► entirety of the staff of the production

◼   ► of South Park is waiting on him to

◼   ► finish this thing

◼   ► and he knows that

◼   ► how late of a night he's going to force

◼   ► on everybody who works on the show is

◼   ► entirely down to his ability to sit in

◼   ► this room and and write the script and

◼   ► just the the the pressure of that you

◼   ► know I I have things where's like oh I

◼   ► know people are waiting on me and it's

◼   ► like I hate that I hate being the

◼   ► bottleneck it makes me really unhappy

◼   ► and and him talking about like this

◼   ► entire team of animators and everybody

◼   ► else is just waiting for him to finish

◼   ► it I thought I can't I cannot believe

◼   ► that the two of them have done this for

◼   ► as long as they have and that they're

◼   ► and that they're alive that this that

◼   ► this has not killed them the production

◼   ► of this show because the the final

◼   ► scenes for this episode are delivered to

◼   ► the animators 24 hours before they air

◼   ► and this is not there's no dialogue so

◼   ► still what record the dialogue where you

◼   ► deliver the scenes I start animation go

◼   ► cord the dialogue good a match all the

◼   ► dialogue gonna put the whole thing

◼   ► together 24 hours like I love this this

◼   ► one moment like the 36 hour mark where

◼   ► this is the first time this has happened

◼   ► the producers are looking for Trey

◼   ► Parker they're like walking around the

◼   ► studio like where's Trey like they're

◼   ► trying to find him because they know

◼   ► just how horrific Lee late they are at

◼   ► this point because like it seemed like

◼   ► this one as being the first episode was

◼   ► particularly bad right like then they

◼   ► pushed it on particularly like late in

◼   ► the whole process and like another thing

◼   ► that I thought that you I want to see

◼   ► what you thought was when he's talking

◼   ► about the script and he still got like

◼   ► five scenes to go or whatever and he's

◼   ► like I have to cut so much of this mm-hm

◼   ► like he's like I've not finished but I

◼   ► know what I have here is a 40 page

◼   ► script which is like a 40-minute episode

◼   ► and we have to deliver a 25-minute

◼   ► episode and he's just like I have to

◼   ► take it all out and it's gonna suck and

◼   ► it is really interesting to watch as the

◼   ► week goes on to watch Trey's confidence

◼   ► start to fall

◼   ► mmm-hmm like by the end he's just like

◼   ► this is the worst episode we've ever

◼   ► done I'm like in he's being legit right

◼   ► like he it doesn't seem like he's joking

◼   ► now that's I mean but this is this is

◼   ► sort of legendary that the two of them

◼   ► but particularly Trey Parker always feel

◼   ► this way that's like oh this episode is

◼   ► terrible but I think it's also just like

◼   ► you've been so intensely involved in the

◼   ► thing in such a short period of time

◼   ► that all you can see are the gazillions

◼   ► of its flaws and I think this is pretty

◼   ► famously there's an episode of South

◼   ► Park that they did which is a crossover

◼   ► with World of Warcraft that was actually

◼   ► produced with the very people who

◼   ► animate that game and my understanding

◼   ► of it is that they thought that that

◼   ► episode was so terrible they came as

◼   ► close as they've ever come to actually

◼   ► pulling it to saying like we're not

◼   ► going to air it at the last minute and

◼   ► like we'll just have to run a like a

◼   ► rerun in the in the space and of course

◼   ► like that went on to be one of the most

◼   ► famous and acclaimed episodes that

◼   ► they've ever done is that episode but

◼   ► it's it's like you can see he is crushed

◼   ► every time at the end of these episodes

◼   ► but the thing that kills me here is this

◼   ► is just the start of the season I feel

◼   ► like I have I have watched two men live

◼   ► a year's worth of life in six days and

◼   ► it's not like oh it's over go take a

◼   ► break guys enjoy the weekend is another

◼   ► the next episode is starting up right

◼   ► now they get one day right which I

◼   ► assume is not a day off yeah not in any

◼   ► not in any normal sense yeah but the the

◼   ► other part where I just had such

◼   ► sympathy is when they're still in the

◼   ► coming up with the ideas phase in that

◼   ► in the first two days where they really

◼   ► just don't have anything and Trey

◼   ► mentions how he's like oh I'm gonna try

◼   ► to get away and just not think about

◼   ► this for a little bit so he goes home

◼   ► and turns on his xbox to just turn off

◼   ► his mind for a little bit but the ad on

◼   ► the Xbox is South Park coming this

◼   ► Wednesday right at this point it's

◼   ► Friday and he's like that was I love

◼   ► that it's like that's so just so cruel

◼   ► right like he escaped because everything

◼   ► cuz it's at the point it's at the size

◼   ► that it is that by this point it's

◼   ► everywhere right like and there's just

◼   ► if no escape from it oh yeah yeah and as

◼   ► mentioned I think this documentary

◼   ► happened at the exact magical right time

◼   ► yeah because there was probably no

◼   ► season of South Park promoted more than

◼   ► that one

◼   ► the we're returning after a break and

◼   ► also the episode where they've just

◼   ► produced this incredible musical that

◼   ► has received all this wide acclaim

◼   ► so that everywhere at this point because

◼   ► the book exactly you know it's wet you

◼   ► know it had like every Tony nomination

◼   ► which also happened in that week they

◼   ► got a time Tony nominations right like

◼   ► because the Book of Mormon was was huge

◼   ► it was huge right and so there's so much

◼   ► pressure on them they probably got more

◼   ► people that were wanting to see South

◼   ► Park then they have had in a while

◼   ► because they're not they're like hot and

◼   ► in the news again you know I can't even

◼   ► I can't even imagine

◼   ► I just can't yeah yeah but it is like

◼   ► the universe is so cruel like this poor

◼   ► guy is just trying to turn off his brain

◼   ► for a little bit and his lifestyle for

◼   ► coming this day like I just can't

◼   ► imagine what that feels like to be

◼   ► sitting there thinking like oh there's

◼   ► Wednesday I guess I need to come up with

◼   ► it you know I'm just forgot it's just

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◼   ► documentary that I find so fascinating

◼   ► is so many people talk about how they

◼   ► work better under deadlines and you know

◼   ► personally that is a thing that I have

◼   ► not found is is true for me I work worse

◼   ► under deadlines but obviously it does

◼   ► work for a lot of people and this feels

◼   ► like the most extreme version of that I

◼   ► have ever seen that not only do Trey

◼   ► Parker and Matt Stone work well under

◼   ► deadlines because they produce these

◼   ► very popular very funny shows but

◼   ► they've also created around them an

◼   ► entire team and production company that

◼   ► just has to be filled with people who

◼   ► work well under deadlines it has a quote

◼   ► from the animation director thing and he

◼   ► says if it takes you four days to get

◼   ► something done you can't contribute

◼   ► right like if you are slow they can't

◼   ► you can't work there and like they're

◼   ► saying that in usual animation houses

◼   ► you have teams of people that do the

◼   ► specific parts right storyboarding and

◼   ► then animating and that kind of stuff

◼   ► but the South Park team everybody does

◼   ► everything because they just don't have

◼   ► the affordances of time to have it go

◼   ► through a slow process you know you get

◼   ► a scene or whatever that you're working

◼   ► on and you will do it from scratch you

◼   ► know and there are things that they have

◼   ► obviously done over time right

◼   ► like their process has been optimized

◼   ► and in an animation style to allow for

◼   ► them to create something in that amount

◼   ► of time right like the the the

◼   ► well-known like what started with

◼   ► literal pieces of paper cut out and

◼   ► moved around in stop-motion I have no

◼   ► doubt that that style of animation helps

◼   ► them to work a little bit faster oh yeah

◼   ► oh yeah I mean there was this funny

◼   ► thing where you know now as an adult who

◼   ► has a tiny toe in the world of animation

◼   ► but from my perspective watching this

◼   ► documentary it's really interesting just

◼   ► a couple of little offhanded comments

◼   ► that the animators make I was like oh of

◼   ► course I can I can see exactly what this

◼   ► is where yeah that they they talked

◼   ► about how oh this this style is

◼   ► intentionally done because you don't

◼   ► have to actually draw every frame that

◼   ► in in animation there's this process

◼   ► where you you can have a static thing

◼   ► you can draw something and then you can

◼   ► just specify oh it has to move from here

◼   ► to here and the computer fills in that

◼   ► motion in between and as I'm listening

◼   ► to it like that's what I do like it's

◼   ► exactly my animation process like I

◼   ► don't draw every frame so you know every

◼   ► one of my videos is in a much simpler

◼   ► way but it's the same thing where I'm

◼   ► taking objects and specifying key frames

◼   ► of this needs to move from here to there

◼   ► in an arc and computer you just draw the

◼   ► 60 frames in between that needs to make

◼   ► that happen

◼   ► but but I was also just so aware of that

◼   ► that you know their comparison to the

◼   ► Simpsons takes months to produce an

◼   ► episode it's like well yes but this the

◼   ► Simpsons

◼   ► even if they're using computers to help

◼   ► the the Simpsons is not composed

◼   ► fundamentally of geometric shapes that

◼   ► you're sliding around and because of the

◼   ► way the show is animated

◼   ► they're able to do this in a way that

◼   ► you couldn't possibly do with anything

◼   ► that even looks like hand animation and

◼   ► then the other thing that I did find

◼   ► that comment really interesting where

◼   ► the lead animator says oh yeah we don't

◼   ► have separate storyboarding and

◼   ► character design teams everybody just

◼   ► does everything

◼   ► and I have having had some peripheral

◼   ► experience with various teams of various

◼   ► sizes you know producing things for

◼   ► YouTube there there really is an

◼   ► interesting trade-off in size and scope

◼   ► that when you do have smaller teams of

◼   ► generalists if you are also able to

◼   ► limit your scope in the way that South

◼   ► Park does with what they're trying to do

◼   ► in animation their animation is quite

◼   ► limited it's like you can work very

◼   ► quickly with a bunch of generalists and

◼   ► then on the other end of that spectrum

◼   ► you have larger production houses you

◼   ► know what I would imagine like some

◼   ► place like Pixar where you might have

◼   ► three people who their whole specialist

◼   ► job is what does hair look like when

◼   ► it's wet you know how do you animate

◼   ► that and it's like well then then you

◼   ► can produce something that is incredibly

◼   ► beautiful that you know a team like the

◼   ► South Park team could never ever produce

◼   ► but it's also going to take 20 million

◼   ► man-hours to to bring into the world and

◼   ► again I just think like the South Park

◼   ► guys are so interesting because they've

◼   ► clearly chosen to be optimized on a

◼   ► particular end of that spectrum like

◼   ► they've chosen to keep that animation

◼   ► style the way it is so that they can

◼   ► keep themselves under constant deadlines

◼   ► so that they produce these shows that

◼   ► are relevant to the world around them as

◼   ► opposed to all other all other kinds of

◼   ► TV but you know I have seen and it's

◼   ► very easy for people to do where you

◼   ► want to expand the scope of what is

◼   ► possible and and then you have to keep

◼   ► adding like what but how long does it

◼   ► take and and that's the thing that they

◼   ► they've clearly designed everything to

◼   ► to stay nice and short and in fact

◼   ► there's a little part where they talk

◼   ► about as well about how they've

◼   ► shortened the process over time

◼   ► unlike kind of accidentally though right

◼   ► yeah yeah it was interesting that they

◼   ► returned with the the production of the

◼   ► technology that they're like oh we used

◼   ► to use these incredibly expensive

◼   ► $30,000 machines

◼   ► and now it's just an office full of IMAX

◼   ► that the machines have gotten fast

◼   ► enough and the animation style has

◼   ► remained simple enough that that it's

◼   ► it's pulled down the amount of time even

◼   ► further and further that they need to

◼   ► produce one of those shows in terms of

◼   ► the animation and yeah it is it is crazy

◼   ► to think that the last 24 hours is when

◼   ► the vast majority of the animation

◼   ► actually occurs like it's it's just

◼   ► insanity

◼   ► so obviously me and you are very used to

◼   ► collaborate in all creative endeavors we

◼   ► work with people to have an output and

◼   ► that's what's happening with Trey Parker

◼   ► and Matt Stone they're collaborating and

◼   ► there's a moment where they sit down

◼   ► with Matt stone and do kind of a

◼   ► one-on-one because looking at the show

◼   ► you know he's obviously important but

◼   ► doesn't seem to have as many roles in

◼   ► the production right purely because of

◼   ► the fact that Parker is writing it and

◼   ► directing the show he does both and

◼   ► Parker is also the louder personality

◼   ► yes so host on camera like Parker takes

◼   ► up space on the screen right just just

◼   ► with his physical presence drawers he

◼   ► draws everything towards him mm-hmm and

◼   ► they're you know he's kind of met sounds

◼   ► kind of talking about the fact that they

◼   ► the way that they work together and they

◼   ► understand each other and they know

◼   ► which one is in control in that moment

◼   ► and that that has enabled them to

◼   ► continue to work it's understanding the

◼   ► way that each other works I'm just

◼   ► playing into that has allowed for their

◼   ► collaboration to last for 20 years

◼   ► now I thought that little moment where

◼   ► they talked to each of them about you

◼   ► know the roles they play and how the

◼   ► other fits into this this production I

◼   ► thought that was really interesting

◼   ► because I've always thought that there's

◼   ► this there's this very important meta

◼   ► skill which is knowing yourself like and

◼   ► recognizing what you're good at and what

◼   ► you're not good at that can be developed

◼   ► and even just in that little section I

◼   ► thought like man these are two guys who

◼   ► know really well where their strengths

◼   ► are and where their own weaknesses are

◼   ► and and how they work together with each

◼   ► other and you know it's like it's really

◼   ► interesting because Matt stone in

◼   ► particular is talking about a thing

◼   ► that's really hard to talk about on

◼   ► on camera where he's saying how Oh when

◼   ► South Park was becoming popular he was

◼   ► getting offered all these direct oral

◼   ► jobs yes and he turns them down and he

◼   ► turned it's like he turns them down

◼   ► because he knows that that is not his

◼   ► skill set

◼   ► even though to the outsiders it seems

◼   ► like oh the two of them are making South

◼   ► Park together and they must be dividing

◼   ► these things up equally and he

◼   ► recognizes like he might be able to make

◼   ► a few movies but ultimately it's not

◼   ► it's not where he's strong and it just

◼   ► it wouldn't really go anywhere I thought

◼   ► like man that is just that is like such

◼   ► an underappreciated skill in a person to

◼   ► recognize that what many people would

◼   ► think of is like oh this is an amazing

◼   ► opportunity is actually a mistake that

◼   ► that wouldn't be the thing to do and

◼   ► that his time and energy are better

◼   ► spent working with Trey on South Park

◼   ► you know and it's really interesting

◼   ► then they then they go talk to Trey like

◼   ► and there's these situations where like

◼   ► Trey is the louder personality but he's

◼   ► not not confrontational in situations

◼   ► where maybe he would need to be

◼   ► confrontational like and then that's

◼   ► where Matt stone steps up and you know I

◼   ► just like how they both talk about this

◼   ► this metaphor of like being the members

◼   ► of the band and it's like yeah there's

◼   ► there may be one person who looks like

◼   ► they're more the lead person in the band

◼   ► but the band is still the members like

◼   ► you know one person can be the band the

◼   ► band is the two of them I just thought

◼   ► that I thought that was really

◼   ► interesting and you could just see like

◼   ► these are guys who work together a lot

◼   ► and and really know where their

◼   ► strengths lie whilst also remaining

◼   ► friends like that cuz one of my favorite

◼   ► examples of this is the Mythbusters are

◼   ► you familiar with the story there no I'm

◼   ► but I'm not sure what you're talking

◼   ► about here so they especially Adam

◼   ► Savage it gives more interviews than

◼   ► this because he's more of a like a

◼   ► public person he is someone who has

◼   ► remained kind of in the spotlight since

◼   ► Mythbusters ended and he said this is

◼   ► fact they're not friends they seem to

◼   ► not particularly like each other very

◼   ► much one of the quote

◼   ► step adam savage mentions a lot is that

◼   ► they have never eaten a meal alone hmm

◼   ► and they worked together for 10-15 years

◼   ► something like that

◼   ► Mythbusters was on the air for a long

◼   ► time yeah and but before that Adam

◼   ► Savage worked for Jamie like that's how

◼   ► it started

◼   ► like who's an employee his prop shop and

◼   ► their part they just they can work

◼   ► together incredibly well they know what

◼   ► the other one is thinking they can have

◼   ► a kind of like a language between the

◼   ► two of them apparently they argued and

◼   ► debated about every single point but

◼   ► always at the end one of them knew that

◼   ► the other was right and that was the way

◼   ► that they work together and it's so

◼   ► interesting to me because I can't

◼   ► imagine that environment like I only

◼   ► work with people I consider friends I

◼   ► couldn't imagine being in that way but

◼   ► what's going on is the same thing right

◼   ► like they just know how the other one

◼   ► works so like whether they're friends

◼   ► like it doesn't matter because what you

◼   ► actually need to know is to understand

◼   ► yourself understand the other person and

◼   ► their needs and then you can work

◼   ► together over a long period of time that

◼   ► I think people assume that you should

◼   ► have to be friends with someone but I

◼   ► think that they are a good example of

◼   ► why you actually don't need to be you

◼   ► just have to have the fundamentals of

◼   ► what you'd consider a friendship but

◼   ► they don't actually have to result in

◼   ► being friends which I just find that

◼   ► comparing to these two is very

◼   ► interesting is that they it's all there

◼   ► it's the same thing as then they know

◼   ► the strengths and weaknesses and they

◼   ► play to that they don't overstep and

◼   ► they work within their boundaries it's

◼   ► the same thing I didn't know that about

◼   ► Mythbusters and I'm I'm willing to bet

◼   ► that that I know like I don't want to

◼   ► say it annoys but I bet I bet that's a

◼   ► thing that bothers a lot of people I

◼   ► think it does yeah when when you're

◼   ► watching a show is like you want to

◼   ► think that they're friends and that

◼   ► they're hanging out

◼   ► when I first found that out I was really

◼   ► bummed out about it cuz I love yo I love

◼   ► the show and they seem to work so great

◼   ► together and I just assumed that they

◼   ► were the best of friends so when you

◼   ► hear that you're like oh no like they're

◼   ► my buddies yeah I get I guess part of

◼   ► this is also I think that people might

◼   ► have a hard time a hard time

◼   ► understanding that kind of professional

◼   ► relationship or it's like are they

◼   ► friends they but they don't have to be

◼   ► friends but it doesn't mean that they

◼   ► hate each other right like they're just

◼   ► they're there they work together they

◼   ► know how to work with each other but

◼   ► that's that's interesting I could that's

◼   ► interesting you hear that that's your

◼   ► reaction because that's what I would

◼   ► think most people would feel that way

◼   ► where they're like oh I want to imagine

◼   ► that everybody's friends that like they

◼   ► and the whole crew sit down and have

◼   ► birthday cakes together at the end of

◼   ► each shoot I was like it but things

◼   ► don't need to work that way especially

◼   ► like in Hollywood right people don't

◼   ► need to be friends they just need to be

◼   ► able to work together but it is or at

◼   ► least it comes across in this

◼   ► documentary that that Trey Parker and

◼   ► Matt Stone are clearly friends and also

◼   ► you know thinking thinking of things

◼   ► structurally it certainly seems like

◼   ► South Park is able to be what South Park

◼   ► is because Trey Parker and Matt Stone

◼   ► are great friends and it seems like they

◼   ► might not have a lot of friends in the

◼   ► wider Hollywood world they reference

◼   ► that yeah it's you know when people say

◼   ► something like that in documentary I do

◼   ► always wonder like how much do you

◼   ► really mean it

◼   ► but I can really believe it from these

◼   ► two for everything that they have done

◼   ► over the course of their careers but

◼   ► it's like there's a there's an

◼   ► interesting moment here because it

◼   ► getting like South South Park will

◼   ► really make fun of celebrities and

◼   ► people in the public eye and in a way

◼   ► that very few other shows will go like

◼   ► as hard into it as South Park will but I

◼   ► do think like it that doesn't just

◼   ► happen it happens structurally because

◼   ► of the personality of these two and

◼   ► because they don't really have any

◼   ► connections

◼   ► with the wider Hollywood world that goes

◼   ► so far as to reject it but the thing

◼   ► that like really highlights that in the

◼   ► documentary is that one of the writers

◼   ► in the writers room works on Saturday

◼   ► Night Live and explicitly says how oh

◼   ► I'm sorry Night Live the the politics of

◼   ► making fun of public people comes into

◼   ► the writing of their skits and it's like

◼   ► yeah like I can see that and I would

◼   ► think like that's also probably one of

◼   ► the reasons why at least to my tastes

◼   ► South Park is way funnier than Saturday

◼   ► Night Live and it's because Saturday

◼   ► Night Live is structurally constrained

◼   ► by the kinds of jokes they can make

◼   ► because if they're making jokes about

◼   ► public figures they can bet they're not

◼   ► going to get that public figure to host

◼   ► the show or if they're making jokes

◼   ► about the public figure they have to be

◼   ► within a certain bounds they can't go

◼   ► too far in one direction or another but

◼   ► it just it hadn't really occurred to me

◼   ► until seeing that but it's like oh right

◼   ► that makes total sense that that this is

◼   ► structurally why the show is able to do

◼   ► this and other comedies play it much

◼   ► more safe when it comes to referencing

◼   ► specific people in the real world but

◼   ► South Park doesn't care because Matt and

◼   ► Trey have nothing to lose it's like

◼   ► they're not losing their friends they

◼   ► don't have any friends in that world you

◼   ► know they clearly thumbed their nose at

◼   ► that world like they did at the was the

◼   ► Oscars was that the party that they

◼   ► showed the dresses it's interesting on

◼   ► acid

◼   ► it's funny I remember seeing that when

◼   ► it happened and I was much younger and

◼   ► just thought like oh those kinds of just

◼   ► in dresses but watching the clip now as

◼   ► an adult

◼   ► particularly Trey Parker there's a

◼   ► moment it's like dude you are so clearly

◼   ► I and on drugs like I cannot believe

◼   ► you're just showing up to the Oscars

◼   ► like this but yeah that's that's how you

◼   ► don't make any friends in the

◼   ► professional world but yeah so I is very

◼   ► interesting to watch seeing that whole

◼   ► process seeing how long it takes to come

◼   ► up with the ideas just as someone who's

◼   ► watched the show it's also very

◼   ► interesting to watch the the writer

◼   ► process where

◼   ► you can see them start to play with the

◼   ► ideas and and they start to do the

◼   ► voices and you can see then like come

◼   ► together with the puzzle pieces of of

◼   ► what the show should be like I have to

◼   ► say it was very interesting to watch

◼   ► that develop over time but towards the

◼   ► very end the thing that I just could not

◼   ► believe is that this episode was in the

◼   ► end delivered five hours before the

◼   ► broadcast time that that's that's when

◼   ► they got the final render out of the

◼   ► animation and it's like they hand a they

◼   ► had to tape to a guy who brings it to

◼   ► the the machine that's going to

◼   ► broadcast it across Comedy Central and

◼   ► it's like with a five hour five hours to

◼   ► spare it's it's unbelievable that they

◼   ► do it there's some guy in his car and

◼   ► tries to over it's that way you know

◼   ► just put it on a DVD and taking it there

◼   ► I mean the thing that is worth mention

◼   ► as well cuz I can imagine like if you're

◼   ► not seeing this documentary they're like

◼   ► how is that possible right because it's

◼   ► such a racy edgy show like how can

◼   ► Comedy Central allow it

◼   ► well it seems like that they have

◼   ► developed a system and a process where

◼   ► the executive producer will have

◼   ► multiple calls with the standards bodies

◼   ► and of Comedy Central

◼   ► all of the cuss words they're allowed to

◼   ► use how many they're allowed to use

◼   ► which ones they can replace for

◼   ► something else what they complete what

◼   ► they can't bleep and it ends up in just

◼   ► this wild these wild phone calls that

◼   ► you over here with and the the executive

◼   ► producers name is and Gary Fino and it's

◼   ► so funny to just watch her reading these

◼   ► lines in like a totally deadpan way

◼   ► she's using a boring corporate voice

◼   ► discuss the details of exactly how

◼   ► graphic they can be with their Human

◼   ► Centipede and then it's just like well

◼   ► you know happy Easter Bob right and

◼   ► click something like that right is it

◼   ► happy is it something like that yeah

◼   ► just wishes them like a great afternoon

◼   ► or it's just so strange but you can

◼   ► imagine after 20 years there is no trust

◼   ► bill up yeah right they kids they're not

◼   ► gonna

◼   ► do something so crazy that they would

◼   ► get shut down like at that point they're

◼   ► well enough no identity and I guess this

◼   ► is like another sign of collaboration

◼   ► that we don't get to see a lot of but

◼   ► like how they work with Comedy Central

◼   ► it's kind of is kind of strange so I

◼   ► have a question for you right and I

◼   ► think I know the answer to this but I

◼   ► want to ask you anyway

◼   ► could you work in this environment oh my

◼   ► god now I'm kind of you know it's again

◼   ► there's a thing there's a thing that I

◼   ► sometimes think is underappreciated in

◼   ► the world but that some people who are

◼   ► very successful it is not obvious to

◼   ► outsiders just how much of their life

◼   ► they are burning on the thing that they

◼   ► are successful with and I think this

◼   ► documentary is a is a great view into

◼   ► that of of just what these guys are

◼   ► putting into this is just inhuman and

◼   ► then when you add on top of it like

◼   ► other side projects that they do you

◼   ► know successful musicals other movies

◼   ► the video games like like all of this

◼   ► other stuff it's it's just crazy but it

◼   ► gets them such an amazing level of

◼   ► success and I know we were discussing

◼   ► last time about the question a little

◼   ► bit about oh just because you put in the

◼   ► hours doesn't doesn't mean you're

◼   ► successful even if someone even if a

◼   ► genie could come along and could say to

◼   ► me like oh if you put in the hours

◼   ► you could be as successful as these - is

◼   ► that something you would want to do I

◼   ► would say no because I just this is a

◼   ► place where I do know myself and I I

◼   ► don't work well under deadlines I

◼   ► couldn't possibly dedicate as much in

◼   ► human time and energy as they do into

◼   ► this so I feel like I know myself and

◼   ► that I am much happier with a much

◼   ► diminished relatively level of success

◼   ► for for not having to produce

◼   ► episodes within six days and having to

◼   ► stay up until 5:00 in the morning and

◼   ► pulling these all-nighters and eating

◼   ► sad McDonald's and all the rest of it

◼   ► it's just I couldn't I couldn't possibly

◼   ► even if it meant it came with all the

◼   ► rewards that it does would you Mike

◼   ► which you took would you take that deal

◼   ► contrary to almost everything else about

◼   ► my personality and my disposition is a

◼   ► human being

◼   ► I have always worked and thrived in

◼   ► crisis situations so especially when I

◼   ► was working at the bank if something

◼   ► went terribly wrong if there was

◼   ► something that was going wrong I could

◼   ► and always did work very well in those

◼   ► environments like everything's crumbling

◼   ► down how do you fix it

◼   ► to the point that like if a team member

◼   ► was having a crisis I would want to be

◼   ► involved in it to help because I kind of

◼   ► thrived on that pressure and the kind of

◼   ► impending disaster it's very strange

◼   ► because there is nothing else than what

◼   ► my personality which would indicate that

◼   ► I would enjoy this but I did yeah but I

◼   ► think this is a trait that some people

◼   ► just have yeah I and and I think you

◼   ► have it and you know it doesn't it

◼   ► doesn't it really doesn't gel with

◼   ► anything else about the way that I work

◼   ► because you know I could be a nervous

◼   ► person I can be a warrior like it's very

◼   ► strange that I have those two parts of

◼   ► me but there they are so I don't think I

◼   ► could work there for very long but I

◼   ► think I could do it for a not tiny

◼   ► period of time I think for a few years I

◼   ► could I could work in that environment

◼   ► and would enjoy the last 24 hours and

◼   ► that's why I would keep coming why keep

◼   ► putting it myself through it would be

◼   ► for the last 24 hours

◼   ► mm-hmm but I think I would burn out

◼   ► often maybe two or three years of it

◼   ► like I don't think I could do it for

◼   ► long but I think it's something that I

◼   ► could enjoy not that I ever want to work

◼   ► in an environment like that necessarily

◼   ► I'm not gonna seek it out but if I was

◼   ► in it I think I would enjoy it but you

◼   ► don't think you could do it for 20 plus

◼   ► years

◼   ► most definitely not I it's wild people

◼   ► doing anything for that period of time

◼   ► the same thing is astounding to me you

◼   ► know I used to work with people that

◼   ► have been in the same jobs in the same

◼   ► places for 30 years

◼   ► and I think it's an unbelievable thing

◼   ► cuz I couldn't do that like I wouldn't

◼   ► be able to stay just doing the same

◼   ► thing and I find it astounding that they

◼   ► have kept the same roles that they've

◼   ► had for 20 years and like basically

◼   ► uninterrupted that is a commitment that

◼   ► I don't think I could have to something

◼   ► like that I agree with you there I agree

◼   ► with you there but I've got to say Mike

◼   ► I'm glad you mentioned this a while back

◼   ► as a thing that we should watch I feel

◼   ► like I'm really happy that I saw it

◼   ► mm-hmm

◼   ► I hope for the people who did watch it

◼   ► that they found it interesting even if

◼   ► you're not necessarily a fan of South

◼   ► Park and I would I would be curious if

◼   ► the listeners out there do know of any

◼   ► other documentaries in this kind of

◼   ► genre of following people at work or

◼   ► people who work on interesting things I

◼   ► would love to hear some recommendation

◼   ► yeah because I just I can't think of

◼   ► anything else that's like this off the

◼   ► top of my head and I'd be very curious

◼   ► to see some more we could just do a

◼   ► rewatch of the office looking for

◼   ► something that's real wait I have bad

◼   ► news for you my British office is not

◼   ► real they're very different things yeah

◼   ► the American office is more my style of

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◼   ► another little little update for the

◼   ► year of order order no no Mike it's just

◼   ► that don't say it like that so I said it

◼   ► in a totally normal way which is the

◼   ► year of order right that's that's the we

◼   ► have a little update for that so my my

◼   ► home office at this

◼   ► moment is empty everything needs to be

◼   ► redone

◼   ► there's packages that have been

◼   ► delivered to my glass cube all of that

◼   ► is underway I want to get that stuff

◼   ► finished are you up to three desks and

◼   ► the cube now or we still did two there's

◼   ► the two desks

◼   ► why do you man

◼   ► I just make a silly joke but it ends up

◼   ► turning into like there's actually

◼   ► something really going on yeah well do

◼   ► really me already

◼   ► now there's two desks in the glass cube

◼   ► and I I think that they are going to end

◼   ► up being two desks in the Home Office

◼   ► but I need to I need to settle on that a

◼   ► little bit more but more that happens we

◼   ► spent so much time talking about like

◼   ► the specifics of the one purpose of the

◼   ► Home Office if it has two desks there's

◼   ► two purposes no we can't get into this

◼   ► now Mike we can't I refused to be

◼   ► derailed on this because I still I still

◼   ► have thoughts okay and and you cut me

◼   ► off last time anyway with with

◼   ► discussing the Home Office glass cube

◼   ► situation I had so much important to

◼   ► talk about what we have to bring that so

◼   ► I I wondered if you notice ya know I'm

◼   ► no fool I know exactly what you were

◼   ► doing there was there was much more to

◼   ► be discussed you have touched upon it

◼   ► now but you know what I'm refusing to

◼   ► talk about it I'm gonna I'm gonna let it

◼   ► percolate I tried to write you out of

◼   ► that right that was that being the

◼   ► director so very subtle very subtle

◼   ► thing Mike I didn't notice at all so

◼   ► anyway we're just gonna skip that we're

◼   ► just gonna Sherman

◼   ► yeah so I don't I don't have a long

◼   ► topic on the year of order but I did I

◼   ► did just want to mention something

◼   ► because I know something people are

◼   ► interested in which is my eventual

◼   ► return to full-on use of task managers

◼   ► this year

◼   ► this is a thing that's going to happen

◼   ► at some point but I did just want to to

◼   ► mention that I have been using things a

◼   ► lot this year so this is things three is

◼   ► the name as always with TAS managers and

◼   ► timers you have to have these names that

◼   ► are very difficult to talk about and

◼   ► things is one of those it isn't as bad

◼   ► as do you though a do is do is the worst

◼   ► to do is close oh I saw another one I

◼   ► saw another one there's something well

◼   ► it was called like do but it was like do

◼   ► oh I was like all your dooms you do a

◼   ► start task manager one of my favorite

◼   ► studies Ted you seen that right I don't

◼   ► think I don't think I've seen that one

◼   ► no te ux de UX oh yes I have seen that

◼   ► you said yeah it's not yes but it's the

◼   ► problem is there's so many task managers

◼   ► right if you're trying to come up with a

◼   ► name you're limited for things but it's

◼   ► they all end up being relatively

◼   ► ambiguous but hmm I did just want to

◼   ► mention things because I've been using

◼   ► it just just a little bit sort of very

◼   ► informally to keep a record of some of

◼   ► the projects that I have active but I

◼   ► wouldn't say that I'm like I'm all in on

◼   ► using it as a task manager I've just

◼   ► been using it as kind of like a

◼   ► placeholder like where do I write down

◼   ► the things that I'm currently working on

◼   ► but I have to say I just I'm really

◼   ► impressed by it as a task manager I

◼   ► think the the things three redesign like

◼   ► for a long time I didn't touch things to

◼   ► because it seemed like it was not

◼   ► actively under development it hadn't

◼   ► been updated in a really long time but

◼   ► things three is just a really really

◼   ► great update and I know on the show

◼   ► previously I have said that my sort of

◼   ► default task manager recommendation if I

◼   ► don't know anything about a person is to

◼   ► just use clear and said let go just just

◼   ► run with clear but since I know they

◼   ► have a new one in development but it

◼   ► isn't available yet but right now I

◼   ► think I would have to switch that to

◼   ► things as if you want to get started

◼   ► with the task manager and you don't know

◼   ► where to begin

◼   ► I really have to recommend things 3 as

◼   ► the

◼   ► to start it's just it's very simple it's

◼   ► very beautiful and it has a couple of

◼   ► really clever features in it that are

◼   ► things that I originally thought like oh

◼   ► I don't know about this but I have have

◼   ► come to love and wish that other task

◼   ► managers do like this there's the one

◼   ► thing that is just so simple but when

◼   ► you're laying out a project things gives

◼   ► you this option to create little

◼   ► subheadings and those subheadings aren't

◼   ► tasks they're not anything they're just

◼   ► a way that you can group something into

◼   ► different areas and say like oh all of

◼   ► these tasks go under this heading and

◼   ► all of these tasks you under this

◼   ► heading and it's it's so nice and

◼   ► freeing to have a visual distinction

◼   ► between things that doesn't also have a

◼   ► meaning right like these things are not

◼   ► sub projects or anything like that it's

◼   ► just

◼   ► oh here's here's some visual separation

◼   ► between these different tasks what does

◼   ► this visual separation mean nothing it

◼   ► means nothing at all and they have a

◼   ► very simple way to specify tasks that

◼   ► you should be doing today which a lot of

◼   ► task managers have but everybody have an

◼   ► additional nice feature which is you can

◼   ► specify oh this task is for this evening

◼   ► and it just moves it down to the bottom

◼   ► of the list just a lot of really really

◼   ► nice touches and have to say I'm very

◼   ► impressed with it and I like it a lot as

◼   ► a simple task manager that isn't

◼   ► completely stripped back I don't know

◼   ► have you played with it at all Mike or

◼   ► are you totally unfamiliar with things

◼   ► no enough of my friends have been

◼   ► gushing over it that I decided to give

◼   ► it a try

◼   ► I know titi likes it a lot were talking

◼   ► about things yes and that's why I

◼   ► decided to give it a go just because of

◼   ► how much she's been enjoying it and I

◼   ► know that Steven tried it and he liked

◼   ► it but it ultimately didn't work for him

◼   ► and I've played around a bit very little

◼   ► but I know it's not the right app for me

◼   ► just for a couple of reasons the main

◼   ► one being the way in which you select

◼   ► dates and alerts is so cumbersome

◼   ► it's it feels very clunky to me after

◼   ► having used to doest loop for so long

◼   ► because todoist

◼   ► it's all natural language and once you

◼   ► get used to typing in take-out-the-trash

◼   ► at 4 p.m. pound sign personal and then

◼   ► what that does is takes the task puts a

◼   ► reminder in and an alert for 4 o'clock

◼   ► and it puts it in my personal project

◼   ► group that's wonderful and all of that

◼   ► in things you're hitting a bunch of

◼   ► buttons in here a bunch of dropdowns and

◼   ► they're repeating tasks UI is not good

◼   ► yeah I loved the design and some of the

◼   ► thoughts behind it I mean it is a

◼   ► beautiful iPhone app in which to duyst

◼   ► is kind of like just a decent-looking

◼   ► cross-platform application right like

◼   ► that's how even decent there I'm I feel

◼   ► like that's it's fine right like it's

◼   ► not offensive because it's so plain I'm

◼   ► not saying it's offensive but it's not

◼   ► great it's not great but ultimately what

◼   ► I'm looking for my task manager is the

◼   ► functionality either I want as opposed

◼   ► to do with the design and whilst things

◼   ► design is wonderful they're missing a

◼   ► bunch of things I mean and also like

◼   ► whilst I don't use a ton ton of it like

◼   ► having the Web API stuff is important to

◼   ► me now because I like to have things go

◼   ► in on their own and just as an option

◼   ► for the future I don't really show that

◼   ► sort of stuff off but I've tried things

◼   ► I don't know if it would be my

◼   ► recommendation for people but I but I

◼   ► can see why it would be somebody's if

◼   ► that makes sense like what's not what I

◼   ► would give I would still recommend

◼   ► todoist especially because to-do list

◼   ► you can try for free I don't even think

◼   ► things has a subscription plan and it is

◼   ► a in the world of applications a

◼   ► relatively expensive application and you

◼   ► have to buy it on all platforms

◼   ► individually but it is beautiful and if

◼   ► you are if you really care about design

◼   ► in your applications like you really

◼   ► really care then this is probably the

◼   ► one you should try I agree that I would

◼   ► have a hard time if I had to use that as

◼   ► my main and only task manager forever

◼   ► that the limitations I would find really

◼   ► frustrating but there's two things here

◼   ► I find I always find it an inch

◼   ► a thought experiment about if you had to

◼   ► make a recommendation and you didn't

◼   ► know anything about the person like what

◼   ► would you recommend if you knew someone

◼   ► was going to buy Mac but you didn't know

◼   ► anything about them like what would you

◼   ► recommend is the default knife I guess

◼   ► this is an interesting thought

◼   ► experiment and I feel like things is my

◼   ► task manager' recommendation if I didn't

◼   ► know anything about the person what

◼   ► would I do what would do that but also I

◼   ► just want to recommend it because I have

◼   ► really enjoyed it because I think that

◼   ► there are times when the limitations are

◼   ► helpful it's the very fact that things

◼   ► is lacking some of the more complicated

◼   ► features that has while I'm still

◼   ► feeling out the edges of what does the

◼   ► year of order mean it's forcing me to be

◼   ► more limited in what I'm actually

◼   ► keeping track of right now and it's the

◼   ► same reason why if someone has no

◼   ► experience with task managers whatsoever

◼   ► I always recommend someone just starts

◼   ► with paper like just get a notebook and

◼   ► paper and write things down because you

◼   ► don't even know where you want to begin

◼   ► and like force yourself with the

◼   ► simplicity of that before we move on

◼   ► from this topic do you have any thoughts

◼   ► about OmniFocus 3 like the upcoming

◼   ► announcements and stuff of OmniFocus 3

◼   ► yeah well well this is this is one of

◼   ► the questions right if I can't stick

◼   ► with things for forever where am I gonna

◼   ► go and then and we see on the horizon

◼   ► there how many focus and the thing I

◼   ► love about OmniFocus they're their

◼   ► strongest suit as always is hiding from

◼   ► you the things that you can do nothing

◼   ► about right now that to me is such a

◼   ► killer feature it's why I always I

◼   ► always come back to OmniFocus and I'm

◼   ► always happy when they publish their

◼   ► roadmap at the beginning of the year

◼   ► because of course I'm intensely

◼   ► interested in what they're doing and

◼   ► especially having been away from task

◼   ► managers for so long I feel like I'm

◼   ► coming back to it with different eyes

◼   ► one of the things I'm really really glad

◼   ► to see that OmniFocus is doing they are

◼   ► finally getting rid of the concept of

◼   ► contexts and replacing them

◼   ► with tags I feel like that is there is a

◼   ► huge improvement so that you can have a

◼   ► task and you can put an arbitrary number

◼   ► of tags associated with it rather than

◼   ► having to pick a single context which

◼   ► they discuss on their blog post that

◼   ► this is this is a thing that as time has

◼   ► gone on that people who are unfamiliar

◼   ► with getting things done have a hard

◼   ► time understanding like this concept of

◼   ► what is a context supposed to be and

◼   ► I've always argued that I think in as

◼   ► time has gone on one of the ways that

◼   ► getting things done has not held up is

◼   ► this idea that your work is so clearly

◼   ► defined by the physical world and like

◼   ► that just and that was what context grow

◼   ► out of is this idea of these physical

◼   ► constraints it's like we just kind of

◼   ► don't live in that world anymore I think

◼   ► this doesn't make sense for most people

◼   ► the way it used to so I got to say I am

◼   ► really really glad that they're bringing

◼   ► in tags and they're ditching contexts

◼   ► I'm super happy about that there's a

◼   ► bunch of other great features I like it

◼   ► it looks like they're improving

◼   ► notifications they're changing around

◼   ► the design which I think can be improved

◼   ► they're working on automation of course

◼   ► I always love automation there is one

◼   ► question though that I have from reading

◼   ► this blog post I was reading a section

◼   ► real close as I can't quite figure out

◼   ► what do you mean by this omni group and

◼   ► it is their section on how dates are

◼   ► managed with OmniFocus because I love

◼   ► OmniFocus but the one thing that really

◼   ► kills me sometimes is the way that at

◼   ► least currently they handled dates where

◼   ► there's this strange thing where if you

◼   ► have a task and you assign a due date to

◼   ► it it remembers what time zone you're in

◼   ► when you assign that due date but

◼   ► there's no way to modify or change that

◼   ► time zone and I think had I been using

◼   ► OmniFocus over the previous year with

◼   ► the amount of travel that I have have

◼   ► been doing that would have driven me

◼   ► crazy because I was just constantly in

◼   ► different time zones or working with

◼   ► different things I'd like to have

◼   ► that have this invisible time zone

◼   ► associated with them would be madness

◼   ► and my whole system revolves around the

◼   ► idea of gray master time that almost

◼   ► every single one of my tasks is due or

◼   ► needs to be done relative to me and my

◼   ► time not relative to like what is the

◼   ► time not relative to like what is the

◼   ► time in California right now or what is

◼   ► the time in New York and this is one of

◼   ► the reasons that I love and used to do

◼   ► list because if you do this when you

◼   ► arrive in a new place it asks you do you

◼   ► want to change to this your task to this

◼   ► time zone and if you say yes if you add

◼   ► a task it was going off at 12 o'clock in

◼   ► London it will go off at 12 o'clock in

◼   ► New York right like just full it just

◼   ► changes all of your task times for you

◼   ► to do it is great because it asks the

◼   ► vast majority of task manager systems

◼   ► don't even ask they just assume that the

◼   ► time is relative to wherever you are so

◼   ► like if you said if you set a reminder

◼   ► and Apple say like go remind me about a

◼   ► thing at 2:00 p.m. and you get on a

◼   ► flight and change time zones in the mean

◼   ► time it'll remind you at 2:00 p.m.

◼   ► wherever you landed and it's same thing

◼   ► with things

◼   ► same thing with almost every single task

◼   ► manager I've ever used it's just

◼   ► OmniFocus has this one this like weird

◼   ► feature and they they do discuss in

◼   ► their article talking about how the

◼   ► dates are going to change that

◼   ► currently there are five different times

◼   ► that are tracked with each task but the

◼   ► user only has access to two of them and

◼   ► I'm wondering like what the heck are

◼   ► those other two I don't understand but

◼   ► so anyway I am deeply deeply hoping that

◼   ► this is addressed that OmniFocus that

◼   ► you can set a task to be a floating task

◼   ► that it does not have a time zone again

◼   ► not not least because I'm still looking

◼   ► at this year where there's going to be a

◼   ► lot of travel ahead and if if this

◼   ► hasn't been addressed I'm going to need

◼   ► to figure out what is it that I'm going

◼   ► to do with my task management system but

◼   ► if it has been addressed and I feel like

◼   ► almost almost certainly a couple months

◼   ► from now I'll be telling you about like

◼   ► oh this this system that I've set up in

◼   ► OmniFocus but in general though

◼   ► OmniFocus like it looks really great the

◼   ► roadmap and the things that they're

◼   ► doing I hope to god that they fix the

◼   ► time zone thing they're doing a really

◼   ► interesting idea with collaborations I'm

◼   ► just I'm very curious to see where it

◼   ► goes and I think it's I think it's just

◼   ► a great piece of software although I

◼   ► think also a custom icon wouldn't go

◼   ► astray

◼   ► yeah custom icons huh how are those

◼   ► working for you well you know Mike I

◼   ► think the thing is a custom icon you

◼   ► need custom icons all apps should offer

◼   ► custom icon colors because when you're

◼   ► trying to arrange a home screen colors

◼   ► are very important can't have too many

◼   ► of the same colors near each other or if

◼   ► their color is that you don't like you

◼   ► don't want them on your home screen so

◼   ► custom icons very important for home

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◼   ► throw home screen arrangement around as

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◼   ► let's see what you got we have not

◼   ► exchanged our home screens since we

◼   ► moved to the iPhone 10 it feels like we

◼   ► do home screens every week I help you do

◼   ► this all the time this already once a

◼   ► year we do this and I want to see if the

◼   ► iPhone 10 has changed things for you I

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◼   ► gray anymore so that's the thing that is

◼   ► available there are a couple of options

◼   ► and that's still available for free and

◼   ► I'll put a link in our show notes if you

◼   ► want to grab that but it has been

◼   ► updated so if you have an iPhone 10 then

◼   ► you may want to you may want to check it

◼   ► out so okay let's exchange home screens

◼   ► here okay Mike I've sent you I've shown

◼   ► you my home screen it's time for you to

◼   ► show me yours oh you've done a whole bit

◼   ► thing again oh my gosh I haven't done a

◼   ► whole big thing I have not done the

◼   ► whole big thing again and what you have

◼   ► just sent me you have no right to talk

◼   ► about ugly yeah I don't know no no I'm

◼   ► like I feel like we're starting all over

◼   ► again this is like the first time we

◼   ► exchanged home screens my home screen

◼   ► looks like how people's home screens

◼   ► look it's a wallpaper and there's a

◼   ► bunch of apps yours is like oh here's a

◼   ► grid of 12 smack bang in the middle of

◼   ► the phone yeah your home screen looks

◼   ► like people's home screens look like

◼   ► which is what garbage looks like and

◼   ► it's not the comparison you're like oh

◼   ► my screen looks like most people's

◼   ► because I always peer over everybody's

◼   ► shoulders to see what their home screens

◼   ► look like and most people's home screens

◼   ► make me want to vomit and this is this

◼   ► very busy mic this is a real real busy

◼   ► screen just a full screen it's it's very

◼   ► it's very colorful so yeah this is a

◼   ► special members-only really I found

◼   ► wallpaper that I have so if you want to

◼   ► get that wallpaper you have to be a real

◼   ► AFN member we have a whole pack of

◼   ► wallpapers and this is one from the

◼   ► remaster podcast that I do and I love it

◼   ► very much it's nice and bright I spent a

◼   ► long time trying to get it aligned it's

◼   ► not perfect but it's as close as I can

◼   ► make it happen yeah I think I like the

◼   ► remaster artwork retro video game fan

◼   ► globe it's sort of Trani and also Epcot

◼   ► Center II it's the remaster artwork one

◼   ► of the best artworks on the whole of the

◼   ► relay Network I don't like that you've

◼   ► just zoomed in on the central part so

◼   ► that it's it's just this is how gross is

◼   ► horrible look this is just a wallpaper

◼   ► you you know you've chosen this and it's

◼   ► I'm not a fan not a fan at all I think

◼   ► it's it's really ugly I never expected

◼   ► you to be a fan but I think that you are

◼   ► working with some grotesquerie right now

◼   ► with this situation you've got going on

◼   ► why is everything in the middle okay

◼   ► can can I wait before before we get that

◼   ► can I can we just we need to focus on

◼   ► you from huh okay it's ugly

◼   ► we can just get past that make sure um I

◼   ► mean I mean look at Mike it's like

◼   ► you're trying to pick all of the colors

◼   ► in the world because you've also gone

◼   ► with a custom P calc icon which has the

◼   ► rainbows around it yeah you've chosen

◼   ► icons to make more colors all over the

◼   ► place oh my color again it's clown vomit

◼   ► the only one you've actually gone the

◼   ► other way with is the bear icon you've

◼   ► chosen the the black black and white

◼   ► bear you don't choose the argument I

◼   ► choose the theme Michael I wish they

◼   ► would separate those two things because

◼   ► right there developers if you're

◼   ► listening that the fact that you have to

◼   ► choose your theme and your icon at the

◼   ► same time and they have to match is

◼   ► crazy I want I want a big bear icon and

◼   ► the true black theme in the inside the

◼   ► application that's one yeah I have

◼   ► definitely moved back towards all color

◼   ► again I'm in an old color season for

◼   ► whatever reason it's the reason for the

◼   ► colored season that's where I am right

◼   ► now I can't explain why very Wonka here

◼   ► okay it's Bru it's the season for colors

◼   ► okay why is it so full like what why

◼   ► have you just why have you felt the need

◼   ► to use them every single space a lot of

◼   ► things to think about I need access to

◼   ► stuff immediately yes there will be

◼   ► there I mean there are a couple of

◼   ► applications that I don't necessarily

◼   ► need on the home screen but then it's

◼   ► gonna throw it out of whack balance wise

◼   ► right I have like maybe one or two that

◼   ► I would move away but then yeah there's

◼   ► always a bit of balance you know so

◼   ► there are a couple in there in here that

◼   ► I probably don't need to be there but I

◼   ► look at my home screen every now and

◼   ► then and I evaluate and there is nothing

◼   ► I would take off that screen right now

◼   ► okay and we have covered many of these

◼   ► apps many times but I also feel that

◼   ► this is there's a few on here that I

◼   ► have no idea what these things are

◼   ► what is pipedrive Oh pipe drive is a

◼   ► sales management CRM tool uh-huh

◼   ► right okay yes that's my that's my big

◼   ► my big grown up adult application right

◼   ► my discussed that my corporate sales app

◼   ► right with the mandatory lowercase

◼   ► letter logo okay great yeah

◼   ► what is anchor okay so anchor is audio

◼   ► social network they respond sir and

◼   ► relay FM and I've been playing around

◼   ► with their application so okay alright

◼   ► too much but yeah there is a cool app I

◼   ► like it okay and canary

◼   ► I don't know canary canary is my home

◼   ► security system oh right okay right so

◼   ► that's that that's the home security

◼   ► camera little bus that we call him

◼   ► you're right that makes sense yeah I

◼   ► bust the criminals I'm calling Busta

◼   ► little name right he's busting busting

◼   ► criminals all day it's crime crime

◼   ► busting she's just me walking around

◼   ► though honestly like 1:30 in the morning

◼   ► fussing you tell me again I see you're

◼   ► also a cool guy who's on not one not two

◼   ► but three test flights with these apps

◼   ► you see that City Instagram want up

◼   ► there look at me now I'm super fancy no

◼   ► I know that's that's the thing it's like

◼   ► ooh you're on the histogram test why

◼   ► isn't somebody fancy I know these people

◼   ► just need my good opinions you know they

◼   ► certainly don't need your good designed

◼   ► opinions though that's that's for sure

◼   ► oh yeah okay yeah this just expansive

◼   ► disgusting just darkness with these I

◼   ► just I couldn't I couldn't I couldn't

◼   ► possibly look at this purple monstrosity

◼   ► all the folders with one application in

◼   ► them and a bunch of dots great it

◼   ► doesn't scream and his it's barely such

◼   ► a missed balance of color as well like

◼   ► the three molt like green applications

◼   ► and there will kind of spread out

◼   ► weirdly and then there's green in the

◼   ► maps icon yeah yeah I'll give you that

◼   ► the green the green is a thing that

◼   ► needs to be worked on but that is partly

◼   ► bears fault

◼   ► like I can't choose the color bear icon

◼   ► that I want which has like knock-on

◼   ► effects so yeah I agree this this screen

◼   ► is not what I want the final version of

◼   ► it to be but I think it is clearly way

◼   ► better than your

◼   ► disgusting homescreen disagree what what

◼   ► are you using filmic perfil okay well

◼   ► let me let me let me paint it let me

◼   ► paint a word picture for the people Mike

◼   ► no people no no cuz you're gonna paint

◼   ► it nicely people need to just go to AA

◼   ► showing us and open this horrific image

◼   ► that I've been put in front of my eyes

◼   ► with just this weirdo square or

◼   ► applications sitting in the middle of

◼   ► this screen it's such a waste

◼   ► such a waste yeah so rather than junk up

◼   ► my home screen and take every available

◼   ► slot like I'm some kind of app hoarder I

◼   ► have I have chosen instead to do a

◼   ► little bit of a four by four grid of

◼   ► apps on my phone I don't need all of

◼   ► those slots occupied hmm space is a

◼   ► luxury Mike and so I have luxurious

◼   ► space on my phone how are you doing this

◼   ► by the way well what you are about what

◼   ► you're asking here is I have the grid

◼   ► centered on the phone because with the

◼   ► iPhone 10 and with the OLED screen black

◼   ► backgrounds just look fantastic like the

◼   ► black levels are great it makes

◼   ► everything else pop and that's always a

◼   ► thing I've really liked about the

◼   ► backgrounds that I choose is trying to

◼   ► pick backgrounds that highlight the

◼   ► applications that don't detract and I

◼   ► don't know if I'm going to stick with it

◼   ► indefinitely but I have been enjoying

◼   ► the pure black background as a novelty

◼   ► with iPhone X and because it's pure

◼   ► black it now allows me to use that trick

◼   ► where you can put fake icons above the

◼   ► actual apps so all I did was I made a

◼   ► fake icon in workflow where it's just

◼   ► purely black color and then I added that

◼   ► to the homescreen so there's there's

◼   ► four like dummy apps with invisible

◼   ► names that are taking up the top row

◼   ► just to move the grid down so that it's

◼   ► centered on the screen if you can have

◼   ► the invisible names why do you have the

◼   ► dots there for the folders I have the

◼   ► dots there for the folders because

◼   ► I think it looks visually on like if I

◼   ► could if I could I wish I could add an

◼   ► accessibility feature on iPhone called

◼   ► your app names are dumb and I don't want

◼   ► to see them especially because they

◼   ► turned off the names of the apps in the

◼   ► dock I know if it's it drives me crazy

◼   ► like again every time I see that the app

◼   ► names I just I feel like those app name

◼   ► czar there for idiots and and it's like

◼   ► yeah anyone who uses their phone any

◼   ► amount of time knows what the icons are

◼   ► nobody is reading it and going like me

◼   ► hmm

◼   ► where did my calendar go it's so stupid

◼   ► it's so stupid and I hate it I hate it

◼   ► so much I've hated it since the dawn of

◼   ► the iPhone having the stupid words

◼   ► especially when some of them don't fit

◼   ► and they like do the little dot that is

◼   ► a problem of being with so many cool guy

◼   ► betas is that sometimes they're little

◼   ► yeah you run out of space don't squish

◼   ► is the name up you know that can be a

◼   ► real problem it is if but it really is

◼   ► it really is a real problem so while in

◼   ► theory you would think oh you hate these

◼   ► words so you wouldn't want to have

◼   ► anything below the folders the four

◼   ► folders on the top I find that I tried

◼   ► it by putting invisible names in those

◼   ► folders but then it just looks visually

◼   ► unbalanced because all of the icons have

◼   ► something below them these stupid words

◼   ► so I feel like I need something below

◼   ► the folders otherwise it just looks like

◼   ► there's too much space between the top

◼   ► row and the next row so I put the dots

◼   ► there because I find them the least

◼   ► visually intrusive and that that's why

◼   ► they're there it's just as visual

◼   ► balance but they don't have any real

◼   ► function you ever tried emoji I tried it

◼   ► once but there's a problem that I don't

◼   ► I'm not a fan of the design of the Apple

◼   ► emojis I think they look dumb and I

◼   ► found them just more distracting to have

◼   ► on the home screen there are places

◼   ► where I use emojis actually do use

◼   ► emojis a lot in my time tracking system

◼   ► with toggle so that I can

◼   ► like visually identify stuff faster than

◼   ► reading but it works there but I don't

◼   ► like them on the home screen I just

◼   ► don't like the look of them there -

◼   ► there - 3d for my liking and so that's

◼   ► that's why I don't have them there even

◼   ► even though I think that it would kind

◼   ► of make more sense to have an emoji that

◼   ► represents what each of these folders

◼   ► are but rather instead I'm trying to

◼   ► pick the one icon that you see in the

◼   ► folder to be representative of what that

◼   ► folder is that that's kind of how I'm

◼   ► labeling these folders but yeah so I

◼   ► have the the top four folders which are

◼   ► there simply to act as categories to

◼   ► sort all of the apps that I don't want

◼   ► on my home screen into and so those

◼   ► categories are the first one has the

◼   ► Settings app in there and that is the

◼   ► miscellaneous category everything that

◼   ► doesn't fit anywhere else just goes in

◼   ► there the next one over has caret

◼   ► weather and that contains all of the

◼   ► apps that are I don't know a good way to

◼   ► describe this but in my head I think of

◼   ► them as location-based so they have

◼   ► something to do with where I currently

◼   ► am so these are like flight tracking

◼   ► apps or ride-sharing apps or I put the

◼   ► wallet app in there or if a conference

◼   ► I'm going to has an app like I put that

◼   ► app in there or food delivery services

◼   ► or train ticket apps like all of that

◼   ► kind of stuff is sort of location-based

◼   ► do you ever do like a time-sensitive

◼   ► promotion of an application to the front

◼   ► page at the folder one of the reasons I

◼   ► like to have space is so that I can have

◼   ► that bottom row available to put stuff

◼   ► down and normally when I'm traveling

◼   ► there'll be two apps that will go in

◼   ► that bottom row and it's mainly on the

◼   ► main screen on the main screen yeah

◼   ► it'll usually usually be the flight

◼   ► tracker and I'm still using flight log

◼   ► or as my main one for that okay I'll

◼   ► need a recommendation I did give up in

◼   ► the air a try it's interesting but I'm

◼   ► still sticking with flight logger as my

◼   ► main one it's pretty heavy-handed but I

◼   ► do like it

◼   ► it is also definitely better than it

◼   ► used to be like if I had to use it I

◼   ► wouldn't be upset but I'll put flight

◼   ► logger

◼   ► that bottom row and then the other thing

◼   ► I'll put in the bottom row which I sort

◼   ► of silly but I'll put the wallet app

◼   ► down there because like if I don't know

◼   ► I find when I'm traveling I'm always

◼   ► real panicky about how long will it take

◼   ► me to access whatever ticket I have in

◼   ► my Apple wallet for whatever it is that

◼   ► I need and so I have the wallet

◼   ► available everywhere like I have it in

◼   ► the in the control center and then I'll

◼   ► put it on the home screen and then some

◼   ► tickets but not all tickets

◼   ► frustratingly will show up as

◼   ► notifications on the lock so like I want

◼   ► every way to be able to open up that

◼   ► wallet immediately because I'm oh it's

◼   ► just like real panicking when the guy

◼   ► comes over it's like tickets please like

◼   ► I don't know what second I'm the idiot

◼   ► with my phone right yeah yeah I feel

◼   ► that like there's a there's a train line

◼   ► in London called the Docklands Light

◼   ► Railway the DLR and unlike any other of

◼   ► the tube lines or the kind of DF of rail

◼   ► lines there's no barriers for this train

◼   ► and there's no drivers for the Train

◼   ► there's no drivers but there's a

◼   ► conductor or you could come up and down

◼   ► and check the tickets because instead of

◼   ► doing the barriers where like you have

◼   ► to have the Buried presser to get

◼   ► through you kind of work on an honor

◼   ► system if I'm gonna touch my Oyster card

◼   ► or my iPhone to the to the scanner and