Roderick on the Line

00:00:00 ◼   ► this episode of Roderick online was [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► recorded on Tuesday January 23rd 2018 [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► I'm Merlin how's it going how did you [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► missing yeah all right in a week no I I [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► feel like we should come clean no no no [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► I never come clean the dentist I should [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► have done it today it's okay it's all [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► right it's all right be fine I'm sure [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► it'll be fine - it's a it's a big [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► rainstorm today here big rainstorm yeah [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► you know in the morning it it was it was [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► clear and and almost almost sunny and [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► now the big storms coming in a storm and [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► I have a I don't know if you are [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► interested in the weather my family [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► really cares about the weather your [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► memory serves your mom goes pretty deep [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► on weather oh my sister's even worse oh [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► really [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► yeah just all they want to talk about is [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► the freakin weather and I thought I [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► thought that Susan was more like looking [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► at the stars kind of situation oh she [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► loves looking at the stars - yeah yep [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► stars stars are kind of weather [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► stars are yab that stars are like or [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► what we call old web we're seeing we're [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► seeing we're seeing a star what a star [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► look like millions of years ago is that [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► mind-blowing [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► you know the entire universe could be [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► just a molecule in the end of your [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► finger whoa [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► so what's oh wait a minute so you're [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► saying could be in my finger I'm saying [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► it could be in your finger universe does [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► not know where that thing has been MGM [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► cr-v we could we could right now be a [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► molecule in the thumb Oh some giant [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► being who has his thumb up do you think [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► kids still get tripped out when they [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► think about things like that when you go [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► through that like stony like first time [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► you really contemplate the idea of [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► infinity the first time you wonder if [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► we're all seeing this [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► color green you think kids these [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► millenniums you think they still have [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► those kinds of reveries oh yeah I worry [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► that they don't you have to you know I [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► bet you get Netflix and you got the [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► snapchat you know they don't have to [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► contemplate things that are that are [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► recursive and hurtful to the brain it's [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► not you know I think that we didn't have [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► them in the popular culture and so when [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► you heard when you heard something like [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► that in in Animal House [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► well when Donald Sutherland is passing [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► adjoin around and they're like you know [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► it actually had the force of novelty [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► sure and I think if you grew up you know [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► soaked in stuff it would be a little bit [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► harder to get to that place but [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► absolutely the moment it actually occurs [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► to you I think it still got to be like I [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► have a terrible time blowin my [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► daughter's mind I've tried so many times [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► I've been I've been trying to get her [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► freaked out about infinity for years and [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► she still she still hasn't freaked out [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► by it by infinity [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► I mean I still struggle with with string [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► theory think about it all the time and I [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► just can't there's just some things I [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► can't resolve yeah I mean does does P [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► equal NP is a big question let's check [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► reddit but we I mean you know multiple [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► universes I mean you could sit and think [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► about it at great length [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► still still mind-blowing I think it's [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► one reason I was so attracted I had very [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► little exposure to philosophy before [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► college and then I read up I read some [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► existentialist stuff in my my gap year [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► and I got very interested in philosophy [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► because it seemed like kind of like you [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► know universe in a finger with a [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► graduate degree kind of thing like idea [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► of epistemology was very fascinating to [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► me like how do we know what we know but [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► that would just turn my brain maybe I'm [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► just a simple farm boy from Cincinnati [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► but like that kind of thing would just [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► bend my brain you you think therefore [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► you are I did a paper on Descartes I [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► remember had then the final paragraph is [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► maybe second less paragraph it had this [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► very memorable line [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► so who is this guy we call God that's [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► kind of work I was doing that you need [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► you know don't put Descartes before day [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► horse oh come on [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► Oh God dad I really put that I put that [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► in a paper oh no because so I had a [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► professor who allowed us to be creative [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► hmm and and I did eh this is in the [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► history of ideas history of ideas and I [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► did a song about Descartes like the [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► style like Jonathan Richmond I think I [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► could really get into it it was pretty [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► good yeah we the the the other students [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► were like yeah that's fun yeah yeah oh [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► yeah you know there are a lot of things [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► that that that constitute an education [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► aren't there oh yeah don't don't let [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► your school get in the way of your [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► education oh thank you thank you don't [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► let your ontology recapitulate your [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► philosophy said the 30 year old guy the [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► 30 year old townie with the bong things [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► change lessons that went here they my [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► tape guy hey you want to buy my CD [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► let me guess is it almost all reggae [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► yeah I went to the I went to the women's [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► March the other day and one of the great [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► things about big marches I mean this is [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► a while back sure this is a how many [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► weeks ago at this point but uh but one [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► of the great things about those rallies [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► is that there is always a kind of [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► there's always a sort of a gray area I [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► don't I wouldn't personally consider it [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► a gray area but some people clearly do [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► where they want to use that opportunity [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► to also pitch their their big program oh [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► yes and every demonstration whatever is [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► of any size I've ever been to you could [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► maybe call them fringe characters but [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► you can get you got people with a very [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► important message and they're gonna use [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► that as a platform yeah like you know in [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► a big rally like that like of course the [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► labor unions are there and they're [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► saying you know we want you to support [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► the labor union because we have a lot of [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► women in the Union yes you know and and [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► you can make a case like oh okay right [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► this is a you know absolutely absolutely [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► right it's still a co-optation of the [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► idea but you can kind of go with them [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► but there was there were a group of guys [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► standing there all men by the way [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► holding a banner that said support the [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► freedom struggle of Palestinian women [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► and then they had a bunch of material [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► about how Israel was committing a [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► genocide okay and it was like boom all [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► right I mean maybe if there were some [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► women that were holding that banner it [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► might go a little bit further but it [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► seems like he just tacked the word woman [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► on to the end of that right sure yeah [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► but they slather not some woman sauce [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► they put some woman sauce on there and [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► then there was a group that was like [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► protecting the elephants especially the [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► women voices like that's a that's a [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► that's another iteration and then at a [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► certain point oh my god I really just [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► wanted to because there was a certain [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► kind of corner where the March was [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► turning that a lot of these people had [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► had a raid and I just wanted I wanted to [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► be in a kind of like knee-length [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► leather car coat from Costco standing [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► there going you want to check out my CD [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► [Laughter] [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► I'm so much respect for women I can only [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► get it out on the Philips Compact this [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► format it's all in there [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► respect women women women are somebody [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► sometimes they confuse but they know the [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► news women break my heart and make me [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► fight their women this episode of [TS]

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00:10:58 ◼   ► on the line and all the great shows yeah [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► yeah you know it's it's true it shows [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► you how fractured things are things are [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► fractured things feel very fractured [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► right now there [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► so fractured a very fractured you [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► remember a few problem with the [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► Cochran's I remember how long ago it was [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► and I was telling you I was telling you [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► in the after show in the dark dark show [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► show yeah through tour yeah you can't [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► you can't you can't listen to dark [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► Roderick on the line Roderick on the [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► line after dark because it's only [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► available to subscribers but but I was [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► counseling you not to not to not to fret [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► not to fret about the Congress not to [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► fall not even to follow that story yeah [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► but I know it's hard I know it's hard [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► it's hard it's hard yeah what did you [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► know okay so you went to this mark did [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► you go to the big one last year last [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► year I have a little bit of a [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► complication that kept me out of the [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► March okay but you went this year what [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► are your impressions of the of the March [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► once the March got going I was you know [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► it's it's really exciting like there's a [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► lot there's a lot about that March [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► moving forward that felt exactly how you [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► would hope it would feel empowered [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► little girls with signs their dad made [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► for them well you know there are those [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► there's the there's the comedic aspect [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► of it which is kind of fun is marching [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► behind like several women that were [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► wearing hardhats and they all had [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► jackets on from the Carpenters Union and [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► they weren't marching as part of a union [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► they were just carpenters you had their [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► hard hats on were like here we you know [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► like fuck yeah this is exactly kind of [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► the story that they're telling a story [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► by their presence and that story is a [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► story that that often gets neglected [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► like you don't we don't as a we don't [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► typically look at a construction site [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► and and see into it it's just a [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► buildings are getting built and we don't [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► see who's there and we don't see the [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► inner politics and when we talk about [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► equal pay for equal work or we talk [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► about the workplace we kind of typically [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► picture of an office environment yeah [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► but I mean also I mean at first I want [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► to stipulate I am NOT making fun of [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► these movements or of this March I mean [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► merely groaning about the situation in [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► life but you know you think about go [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► back to Flashdance and was like oh it's [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► a sexy lady with long hair who's a [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► welder it was my back that kind of story [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► you know I mean part of the part of the [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► stop your story but part of it is that [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► like it feels like so many of the [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► amazing and wonderful and overdue [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► changes that have happened in the last [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► five to 15 years are widely adopted and [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► loved by 90% of the people on our side [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► of the aisle and so many of those [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► changes are are so threatening as to be [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► deniable to people on the other side of [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► the aisle but this is a good example of [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► one that I feel like there's no one in [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► America on either side of the aisle [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► ninety-eight percent of the people in [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► America I think would look at one of [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► these women in her heart hat with her [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► Union jacket on and go yeah fuck yeah [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► right there's no one in America anymore [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► that thinks there shouldn't be female [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► carpenters right and I think that [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► everyone in you know the most [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► conservative voter in Alabama is not [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► going to I mean there there are gonna be [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► people they're gonna be dicks and and [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► like they're gonna be dicks who no [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► matter what their political affiliation [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► when a when a woman shows up to do the [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► work on their kitchen they're gonna go [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► oh a woman's doing this job you know [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► they're and and they're gonna be dicks [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► that are both men and women that do that [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► I mean I'm sure that there are women [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► that opened the door to their house and [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► there's a woman carpenter standing there [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► and they say oh I expected a man mm-hmm [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► you know that kind of thing is just a [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► sort of cultural like ignorant or not [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► ignorance it's just a like a culture so [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► probably the lack of exposure I mean [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► like if you've got if you've got some [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► Richard Scarry idea in your head from [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► the late 1960s it's understandable that [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► that's a little bit shocking it doesn't [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► mean that you hate it but it's certainly [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► at least be shocking [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► Yeah right it's like lowly worm yeah [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► shows up to do your kitchen work and [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► you're like you're a girl worm whoo [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► that's that mr. frumble drive she's got [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► a lot of problems there are plenty of [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► cops in Richards Gary's world I don't [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► know why they don't but sergeant Murphy [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► chases careless he literally rides a [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► motorcycle onto a Plane full of people [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► you're right you're right but but the [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► other thing that I saw in this rally [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► that I'm talking about just people that [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► were marching very close to me there [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► were two women in their 60s and they [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► were both about five feet tall and they [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► were at first not clearly a couple they [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► were just too diminutive ladies in their [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► 60s but one of them is holding a small [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► hand lettered sign that said that wasn't [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► like us it wasn't even a sign it was [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► just kind of like a piece of notebook [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► paper that she had written on and [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► laminated and it said we're not going [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► back and as the as the March progressed [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► I realized oh my god they're they're [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► married and they give every indication [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► of having been together for 40 years you [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► know they're they have the comfort with [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► one another that just is like it seems [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► like they've probably been together for [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► a long long time and they're not [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► demonstrative they're not even really [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► holding hands they're just walking [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► together with this sign we're not going [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► back and it was you know so so powerful [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► and I and I honestly believe having [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► traveled as much as I've been lucky to [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► do in America and around the world that [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► most people on either side of the [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► political aisle confronted with these [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► two actual human beings are not going to [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► be against it the people that are [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► against gay marriage are against it [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► because they're against an idea that [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► they think and they're against a notion [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► that we're trying to cram it down their [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► throats or I feel it feels like a like a [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► threat to their [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► idea of what a family is which which [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► they would say d legitimizes there it's [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► again it's like Ghostbusters it's like [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► you're ruining my childhood by being [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► married right but if they were living in [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► a place where they knew these two and [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► there are couples like this in Alabama [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► just like there are in Seattle a hundred [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► percent when confronted with actual [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► people pretty much everybody with the [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► exception of a few crazy zealots is [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► gonna look at them and go oh well I mean [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► I make an exception for my for my aunt [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► and her friend you know like and it's [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► not especially because they're they're [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► not too vocal about it maybe yeah sort [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► of like well there's well there's this [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► one guy I work with who's really nice [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► and he's nearing retirement age and I'm [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► pretty sure he's you know special but he [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► could he gets a pass because he's real [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► low-key about it it's not in my face [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► about it and it's not the perfect world [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► that we would that we I in the left like [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► idealize where everyone is absolutely [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► like completely forward-facing about who [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► they are and accepted broadly by [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► everyone you know it it is a kind of on [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► the right side of the aisle there is [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► this there's all this tremendous kind of [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► like what we what we think of as a [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► prehistoric social thinking but [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► confronted by actual people yeah pretty [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► much everybody is like you cannot deny a [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► thing like that you can't look at them [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► and say to their face like no you're not [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► you should not be entitled to this you [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► should not be entitled to this happiness [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► you do it's nobody would ever stand in [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► front of those people I mean the way you [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► get the idea some kind of Richard [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► Spencer type like yelling at them but [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► like after having a ten minute fifteen [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► minute conversation maybe you're on a [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► plane or something like that you would [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► never you would it would be a hard [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► harder person to turn to them and say [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► well I understand what you're trying to [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► do here but this is antithetical to [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► everything that America is and I think [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► you're evil yeah I mean and you do see [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► that I mean there are definitely parents [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► that reject their own children fewer and [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► farther between [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► I think what's I think what's crazy [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► about Trump I know we never talk about [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► politics [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► I think what's crazy is that he has [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► finally given the lie to the idea that [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► the that conservative politically [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► conservative people are the scolds and [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► the moralizing like finger wag they're [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► gonna hold privately and publicly [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► they're gonna they have a standard that [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► they will hold people to for a long time [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► you would see that played out in terms [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► of like what you have to make this cake [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► you know you know you don't have to make [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► this cake for gay people or you do not [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► have to provide women's health care [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► services because right I mean there's [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► there's those sorts of things but then [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► when you see what's happening with the [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► fairly well documented allegations [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► against the president it just doesn't [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► seem to matter and Mike Pence is totally [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► cool with it it just doesn't matter [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► right I mean it's not like it's not even [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► that I had that Trump had relationships [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► with sex workers while he while his wife [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► was pregnant we had a four month old son [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► duh Trump is famous for for riding on [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► that private jet [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► but with that pedophile guy yeah who you [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► know would like teenagers like and I [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► mean he was the source of a lot of the [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► New York Post stories about Marla maples [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► I mean he was the one that encouraged [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► her to go on say was the best best sex [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► I've ever had he drives in that [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► environment of people thinking he's a [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► very competent horndog but I think it's [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► really interesting because during the [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► Clinton years when when Bill Clinton was [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► being pounded for his for his like [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► dalliance ah's and his indiscretions and [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► his predatory behavior we I think [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► assumed that that was being motivated by [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► this religious right that we've been [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► talking about for for 40 years and that [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► they were that they were pretty and they [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► were pursuing this out of a sense of [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► this sort of moral like overactive moral [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► indignation about post moral majority [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► whether you agreed with them or not and [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► I happened very much not to agree with [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► them you'd at least given the creditors [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► well you know whether or not this is [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► something that they enjoy doing they [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► feel by their faith and ethics they are [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► obligated to call these things out on [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► anybody where they see it right right [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► it's a good it's a mr. kind of mission [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► and that gave some clarity to the [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► division between left and right because [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► we on the left could look at them and [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► say and see like okay they are bound by [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► a code that includes their religion it [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► includes their culture and it is [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► internally consistent so they are they [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► are an understandable and worthy [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► adversary even if we don't agree I mean [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► we don't agree with a lot of the [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► fundamental premises but they are acting [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► at least they're not inconsistent as far [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► as we can see I'm avoiding the word [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► hypothetical but but at least at least [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► on the face of it they may be in prison [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► I utterly disagree with them but there [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► was an internal consistency to their [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► their mass hattery [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► but it also contextualized us right [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► because as live liberals we were [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► progressive we were it [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► empathetic we were we were the ones that [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► were open minded and now or maybe [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► relativistic there's another word [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► relativistic sure you can see you would [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► see the context in something and this [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► liberal arts II thing of saying like [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► well yes but yes but so we wouldn't [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► necessarily see it as a zero no one [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► right and we were multicultural we were [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► able to say like well we you know we [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► need to incorporate things from around [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► the world and sometimes these cultural [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► differences can be advantageous you know [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► it was a kind of m'as how we saw the [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► social aspect of left and right and that [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► wasn't always the case you know back in [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► the back before World War two back [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► before the civil rights movement the [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► Republican Party was mostly focused on [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► economics and they had a pretty liberal [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► view about what a person should be able [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► to do in the [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► to their own home I'm from a certain [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► libertarian standpoint it was a temple [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► yeah and it was the Democrats that were [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► all about segregation and they were all [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► about you know the Democrats before [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► World War two were not like socially [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► progressive looks sort of the opposite [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► mm-hmm but now we're in a situation [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► where the where the right side of the [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► aisle has pretty much for the most part [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► said you know although we're Christians [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► and although we you know we believe in [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► God and country we think Trump's doing a [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► great job and although he is like a [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► coke-fueled like prostitute abusing like [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► I mean he's basically he personifies [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► everything that we would normally hate [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► disparity at the late 80s yeah we just [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► love what he's doing he's just sticking [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► it he's sticking it to the Liberals and [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► that's what we love but what's crazy is [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► the Left have become the scolds like we [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► are we are in an era right now where the [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► left is extremely moralizing and very [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► very much like driven by a by a kind of [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► collective energy that is you know [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► that's using shame and using a lot of [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► the sort of things that we would have 40 [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► years ago called moral majority tactics [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► I guess in service of a different [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► ideology but but but it's it's a very [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► strange role reversal because that's the [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► thing when I went back to my high school [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► reunion in Anchorage right before the [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► election and I talked to a bunch of my [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► pals who were all golf pros and [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► snowmobile salesmen and and diehard sort [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► of Trump people yeah they were like you [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► don't you don't see what's coming bro [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► and I was like yeah I see what's coming [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► a Hillary Clinton administration where [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► the world moves into the future and they [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► were like no no no that's not what's [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► gonna happen Trump's gonna win and I was [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► like there's no way in a million years [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► Trump's gonna win he didn't accuse [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► anyone yeah and they were like no no you [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► don't see you don't get it you don't see [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► what's happening and in talking to them [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► over the course of a long reunion [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► weekend I realized oh they think they're [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► the fun ones they think they think [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► they're hilarious they think they're the [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► ones that know how to party they think [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► they are the ones who have the real [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► temperature of what America is all about [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► the sort of Ted Nugent version of what's [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► fun and cool and they looked at me and [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► my culture I mean they know I'm fun [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► right but they look at that liberalism [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► and they think you guys aren't fun you [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► don't have fun anymore you just are so [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► uptight and you're so you know this this [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► careless caricature of the left as being [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► sort of what we used to say about the [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► moral majority just like no fun and [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► caught up in in our cane and archaic [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► ideas about what people are and I was [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► just like that was kind of that was kind [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► of when I got off Twitter I realized [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► like oh shit I don't know anything [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► anymore [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► I'm in the upside down now yeah I heard [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► something on a political podcast I was [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► listening to you this morning and guy [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► said something that I thought was it's [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► one of those things where once you you [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► can't can't unhear it get such a useful [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► paradigm is there are certain kinds of [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► issues where people rarely go back to [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► their original feeling people tend to [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► only go one way and he said he was [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► talking in particular about daca and how [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► like once you know these people who are [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► daca recipients and like once you've [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► once you've met them once you've talked [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► to them [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► you're very rarely going to become more [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► strident about thinking they should be [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► thrown out of the country you know I [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► mean and [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► he also used the example of gay marriage [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► where honestly if a big part of it and [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► in addition to certainly obviously I [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► mean this is sounds so stupid but stuff [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► like you know maybe Ellen DeGeneres but [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► stuff like seeing more gay people like [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► on TV and knowing more gay people were [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► out there that weren't dangerous [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► pedophiles that was certainly a part of [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► it but another part of it was like once [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► you it isn't like you know once you meet [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► two women who've been together since the [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► 1960s yeah and it can be and are very [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► smart and charming you don't go oh boy [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► you know this makes me even madder about [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► this you know I mean there aren't that [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► many people who start out Pro gay [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► marriage and then go the other way [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► there aren't them people who start out [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► Pro daca and go back the other way I [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► don't I don't have a huge filter for [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► this it's a two-hour old idea to me but [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► I'm really interested of this idea like [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► how many issues are there like that [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► we're once people get enough exposure to [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► the actual people they look at the thing [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► really differently I'm reminded of that [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► peanuts comic where Linus is arguing [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► with Lucy and he says I love humanity [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► it's people that I hate I I think I [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► think that's absolutely true and I think [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► it is about abstract thinking you know [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► the once you are once you're capable of [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► seeing things at one abstraction which [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► by which I mean like not the people [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► immediately in front of you but you meet [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► you meet that couple that's been [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► together since the 60s and then [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► extrapolate that to imagine that there [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► are more of those that level of [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► abstraction because we here in southern [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► Washington you know that there was that [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► McSweeney's article the other day that [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► that parodied the the journalists that [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► are like going around talking to Trump [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► was just literally the next thing I was [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► going to say yes but there was one of [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► those here in Washington where some [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► reporter went down to the conservative [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► like southwestern corner of Washington [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► where they grow a lot of cranberries and [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► said like you know how does it feel down [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► here now that you know now that we're [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► cracking down on immigrants and the [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► sheriff and almost everybody they talked [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► to was [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► like well we want to crack down on [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► immigrants because they are their [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► rapists and criminals coming into the [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► country but what that law has done is it [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► like they came and got my neighbor Pablo [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► who's a great dude and he's he's gonna [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► raper he's been here four years he was [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► like he was invaluable to the community [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► and then they came and got those guys [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► that have been working on them but they [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► might say every single talking point [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► that everybody on the Left has been [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► saying right I mean right down to like [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► like this like this polish doctor in [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► Michigan who doesn't know polish because [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► he's been here since he was three right [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► that's like you how could you send it [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► back there there's not even any place to [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► send him back to he's never been there [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► and you're like yeah that's that sucks [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► that's kind of why we think this is a [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► bad idea they know but everybody has [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► their Pablo right but they don't extend [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► it right they don't extend it to the [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► abstraction of of and that's why [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► statistics are so interesting like I I [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► follow this guy on Twitter named Max [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► roser ro ser who is a statistician and [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► he really stays kind of above politics [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► he just puts in numbers [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► I think he's German and he you know not [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► to not to stereotype no but he's a [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► German statistician mm-hmm and and he is [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► you know he's always posting these [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► graphs and sort of very interesting [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► takes on on things just just crunching [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► the numbers but you look at the numbers [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► and it's like well I mean my mom sent me [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► something the other day that was like [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► immigrants from sub-saharan Africa have [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► such a greater percentage of graduate [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► degrees I mean they're like a moderator [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► college graduation rate then people who [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► are born in the United States yeah and [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► it's just impossible to argue with the [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► statistics but it is but again that is [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► an abstraction that it's I think much [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► easier for people to [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► - to see the abstraction in the other [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► direction which is well I watch cops [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► every week and every single person they [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► pull over an arrest is black used to [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► watch that show therefore every criminal [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► in America is black right because that's [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► what's on cops and that's that's much [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► easier to apprehend then wait a minute [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► the people that are immigrating to the [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► United States from other countries are [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► the best educated and best qualified [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► people because it's really hard to [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► immigrate to America you have to put up [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► with so much shit [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► it's insane yeah and you know and even [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► people that are entering the country [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► illegally are people who are aspiring [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► you know they are people that are [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► seeking something great and not people [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► that are complacent or lazy or dumb you [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► nobody makes it all the way to America [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► and gets a shitty job from wherever [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► they're coming from because they are [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► just lazy you know they're enterprising [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► but it's you know I don't know speaking [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► as someone who's a liberal it's very [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► hard for me not to feel like it's not [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► just that my views are better it's that [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► my views are more accurate and that's [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► all maybe that at least in your own head [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► is slightly better tested well or I mean [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► just just there's so much there's just [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► so much reckoning going on about [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► strangers there's just so much reckoning [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► going on about millions of people who [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► are disadvantaged culturally in a way [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► that so many of that 32% are 36% are not [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► and yet they have found some way to find [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► a grievant in every cultural improvement [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► in the last 50 years every every time [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► somebody who's not them gets something [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► it's a zero-sum game like everything [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► everything that somebody who has always [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► been treated like shit for their and [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► our life gets is necessarily one less [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► thing that they get in their mind that [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► tends to be the yeah it tends to be the [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► feeling but then like today oh sorry [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► a couple couple weeks ago the president [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► has decided you know because he's saving [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► coal so now he's gonna put a tariff on [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► imports of solar energy things so energy [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► one of the one of the bright spots if [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► you like to coin a pun [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► one of the bright spots in growth like [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► one in five new jobs suppose something [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► like that as it is in solar it's going [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► way way up while Cole's was going way [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► way down and now they're making it more [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► costly to have this this huge exploding [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► growth growth area that actually could [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► benefit the people who still think [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► they're gonna be back in the mind any [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► day now but and that's an example of a [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► band I think is really intriguing about [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► the cultural divide that we're [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► experiencing right now which is that I [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► think that there are a lot of people in [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► America that will celebrate that event [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► based exclusively on this idea that it's [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► a it's a big middle finger to the [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► hippies and I mean I drove across the [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► country a couple of years ago when I [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► bought my suburban which admittedly is a [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► hilariously like old janky American [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► truck and through the whole center of [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► the country I encountered many many [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► times those guys who are burning coal [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► which is they they put a giant [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► smokestack on their diesel truck and [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► they adjust B the mixture so that when [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► they slam on the gas it just sends huge [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► black clouds of smoke out of their [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► tailpipes with no purpose other than to [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► give you that Ted Nugent fuck you and [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► they're not driving those trucks in the [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► middle of San Francisco they're driving [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► them in Nebraska they're saying fuck you [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► to the idea of a liberal [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► there aren't any around them they're [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► just doing it as like as a middle finger [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► to people who aren't even watching and [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► that that conviction that that strong [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► strong feeling that the real enemy is is [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► this caricature of someone kind of not [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► unlike you or I but certainly like we're [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► we are closer or more adjacent to this [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► caricature than we are to the to to like [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► the audience and a Darius Rucker concert [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► but but this idea of someone with a [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► college degree who thinks they're [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► smarter than you who wants to quote [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► unquote ram down your throats these [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► ideas that that really have nothing to [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► do with the fact that you get along [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► pretty well with your gay neighbors but [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► have everything to do with the idea that [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► we are we have a vision which is of this [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► to this future universe where where [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► there's no manufacturing in America [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► anymore that it's all been outsourced [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► and the government is in charge of [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► everything take your guns away take your [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► guns away except that the government [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► allows you to do whatever you want [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► include including be a pedophile or a or [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► like sex with animals or whatever it is [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► that they extend this this criticism out [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► to you know like this weird this weird [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► idea of a liberal as someone who both [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► wants to have complete like lawlessness [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► on one side what they considered [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► lawlessness on one side of the world [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► they want to be this like Caligula n-- [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► Bacchanalia on the one side even as [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► they're taking away everything that [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► gives your life meaning enjoy [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► right so you're no longer allowed to [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► worship your god you're no longer [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► allowed to salute your flag we don't [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► support the troops we don't allow you to [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► have guns we tax all your money away to [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► give it to undeserving poor people the [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► abortion having trans people abortion [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► having trans people who are just living [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► on welfare and this is the vision of the [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► world that we that that that they [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► perceive us desiring and a lot of us are [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► dupes right we are leftist dupes of we [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► have taken the red pill we haven't taken [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► the red pill that's right the Jews are [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► controlling our government and and we [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► are just like enthrall we're in this [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► kind of days of of almost like romantic [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► thrall to the idea of inclusiveness that [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► is going to create a world where we're [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► under Sharia law so it's almost like [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► some kind of like a 50s movie where [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► there's a there's a working ranch and [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► some sissy dandy in a suit comes to [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► visit and then wants to tell them how to [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► run a ranch mm-hmm right or like yeah is [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► sitting in the sitting in the scenic [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► carriage Fanning himself with that with [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► a lace hanky and then telling you how to [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► run the ranch while he's sitting on his [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► ass mining Bitcoin well you know in a [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► way it's almost it's closer to the [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► character of the environmental [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► protection guy in Ghostbusters movie [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► that movie you know yeah he's the only [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► good guy this man has no dick when you [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► watch that film you hear everything [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► about it is like this guy is the worst [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► version of a Carter Administration [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► bureaucrat mm-hm and the the only way he [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► makes money is by causing trouble and [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► hardship for hardworking Americans for [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► hardworking Americans who are just [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► trying to bust just trying to [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► to go so it makes them feel good and [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► it's a politically a weird movie because [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► though because the Ghostbusters are our [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► academics and they're like [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► devil-may-care but they're really I mean [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► when you look at it now sure there they [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► are you know they're kind of politically [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► pretty Trumpy in terms of of how they [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► approach dealing you know dealing with [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► government people I'm watching almost [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► any thriller from the last 30 years so [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► the bad guys always the administrator [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► right well no but also just the good [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► guys I mean certainly you go would you [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► go back to something like Charles [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► Bronson Klee nice wait but I'm talking [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► even like I rewatched taken which is a [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► movie that I like a lot I hadn't watched [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► it since the last election and I just [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► watched it the other night and I was [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► like wow this is really it's kind of a [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► testament to how dads are right and and [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► by any means necessary we do what we [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► need to do because daughter it's like I [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► mean it's really it is it is in some [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► ways very much like a death wish [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► kind of moving in a lot of ways I mean [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► you mean just like that they're just [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► like the the non authoritarian what's [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► the word I'm looking for [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► but like oh like in that movies just [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► like he keeps worn everything taken no [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► is this is this retired like ops guy is [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► you know now he's away from his his wife [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► and daughter the daughters gonna go to [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► Europe and he's like no no you can't go [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► and if you go you got to take this phone [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► and answer my calls a spoiler alert she [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► gets abducted he has to go and find her [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► they've now drugged her and turned her [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► into a prostitute she and her friend and [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► he's got to go rescue her from all these [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► Eastern European baddies and of course [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► he just beats it's great movie he beats [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► the shit out of everybody kills [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► everybody and saves them and then like [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► you were shown that once a fraud dad [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► always knew what was right and finally [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► that violence that he has had inside of [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► him all that time was there for a good [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► reason [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► yeah yeah I mean that's the best lesson [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► to be gleaned that's the cookie cutter [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► thriller lesson right the yeah the this [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► the the quiet Stern dad has just been [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► pushed a little too far yeah had had the [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► truth about the world the whole time [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► and I bet that libertarianism combined [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► with that sort of I guess what what now [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► we would just describe with with no [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► other with no other conditions we would [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► just call it patriarchy or patriarchal [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► mentality I mean that's like it's a [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► ribbon through everything yeah and there [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► there was a time until recently where [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► where our take on that was a lot more [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► complex than it is now and it doesn't [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► feel like this is a time when we can [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► afford to be complex this is another [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► thing that has caused me to to feel [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► personally like it this is just a time [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► for me to sit out and and it's because [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► it's very hard for me to look at things [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► and not look at them and try to see the [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► complexity in them and when you want to [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► talk at least publicly now about ideas [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► that are complex you're immediately [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► challenged because it doesn't because [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► complexity just doesn't want a [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► revolutionary yeah that's right if we're [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► living in a bicameral world now that [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► feels very black and white and so you [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► can't say like you can't really approach [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► anything at least publicly at least in a [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► public-facing way without taking a [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► pretty dogmatic side and I just can't I [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► just can't swallow it but yeah but you [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► know in in our history a lot of the [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► things that we look at and say that's [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► what is American you know that's what [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► made made us exceptional that is what we [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► have always talked about as the American [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► spirit and it isn't it isn't [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► inextricably connected to white [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► supremacy or to patriarchy there there [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► are attitudes that are distinctively [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► American that we have made us proud for [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► 200 years and that those ideas are like [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► individuality individualism I guess more [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► than individuality and that can-do [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► spirit and [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► I mean all that all that sort of go [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► get'em USA rah-rah stuff but there's a [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► lot of there's a lot interesting about [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► it there's a lot that's true about it [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► and and I think on the right side of the [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► aisle they feel like they are the ob [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► inheritors or the protectors of some of [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► those enshrined ideas and and on the [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► Left I mean the you know there are a lot [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► of liberal Patriots and I and I include [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► myself like when I see people on the [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► left say America is a garbage country [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► and always has been I'm like I'm sorry [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► you're wrong like you're just deeply [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► profoundly wrong and that might feel [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► good to say and that might feel like a [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► like year on their side of the room I [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► mean Jimmy but it was an evolving [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► garbage fire like the the strides were [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► taken every few years where things got a [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► little better in one way no they were [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► not always good and sometimes it does [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► take a miniature revolution but that's [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► that's what is it the long arc of [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► history right is that like things really [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► have gotten better in many quantifiable [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► ways for a lot of people and it's taken [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► a long time to get around to other [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► people who need that and that progress [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► was being made for a time it's it's that [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► progress is still being it's weirdly [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► Puttanesca though to find this both [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► sides ISM and going oh well you know [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► unless you were this kind of person so [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► yeah that was true but like we're [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► working on that that actually is that [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► actually is getting better it's yeah [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► it's I mean I know that's super easy for [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► me to say but I think there's evidence [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► out there that until fairly recently [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► things really were on a pretty [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► interesting upward incline and now now I [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► think it's just a waiting I mean hate to [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► cut to the chase but a lot of there's [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► just no demographics King demographics [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► game it's just a matter of waiting to [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► age out the assholes well it is but I [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► mean I don't think it's easy for you to [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► say I think it is I think it's a [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► challenge to remind ourselves that if [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► you watch the news every day and if you [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► see you know if you see the bad things [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► that are being reported in the way that [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► the in the way that they are like yeah [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► this feels like a time where we're [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► falling back or whether it [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► evil is ascendant but actually things [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► are getting better everyday in everyway [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► and the you know the rule of law is [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► gonna triumph and I mean what you don't [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► think of is ten years ago all the things [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► that all the terrible things that were [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► happening all the people that were [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► getting deported all survived 1968 we [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► can survive almost anything well sure [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► would survive 1985 but I mean I think [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► yeah good you're breaking up a little [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► bit oh I'm sorry [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► hello hey are you BitTorrent hello hello [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► I hear you do you know I'm I hear you I [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► think you fire me yeah keep going I'll [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► put a marker here and take this out okay [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► I think you're all right [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► I just I mean I believe in the American [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► experiment I don't believe that the [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► United States is a trash fire I think if [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► you go back to 1780 [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► and you look at every other nation on [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► earth and compare our founding to theirs [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► or to their status then and if you go [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► back to 1900 if you go back to 1865 if [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► you go anywhere in history and do a line [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► by line comparison to what was happening [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► in the United States you're gonna find [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► that there aren't very many places that [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► you can look at and say oh wow the US [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► was really evil compared to right I mean [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► the United Kingdom abolished slavery a [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► lot sooner than America did but sooner [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► by a factor of 40 years like it's not [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► like it's not like Britain had outlawed [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► slavery in 1500 and we were some kind of [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► South Africa that persisted like it was [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► an evolving process and you know to look [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► back at the history of American say that [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► we're we have blood on our hands is only [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► to fail to look back at the history of [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► the world and see that everyone has [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► blood on their hands that no one there's [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► no nation on earth that is absolved if [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► the nation of Belgium continued to [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► exploit their colonies in Africa until [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► the fifties and exploit them in ways [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► that would would you know burn your [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► eyebrows oh is that like Congo yeah it's [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► a dozen colony yeah the Congo which is [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► an enormous the the entire Central [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► Africa and they you know they were I [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► mean they were brutal there but nobody [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► looks at Belgium and says like oh what a [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► knee I mean I guess the Belgians do and [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► people in Europe that know that story [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► but the whole idea that like America is [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► a terrible place it's just it's just [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► wrong we have been in we have been [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► setting the tempo for 200 years for the [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► extension and expansion of rights to the [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► greatest number of people and political [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► rights and social evolution like it's [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► been happening here and other people [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► have other countries have been following [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► in our wake and I know there are a lot [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► of Europeans who want to who want to [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► point to their their own country's [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► contributions to that but I think you [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► would have a hard time making a case [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► that certainly that that many countries [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► in Western Europe have been working on [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► that project any earlier than about 1960 [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► you know what I mean like I mean so and [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► and the United Kingdom obviously like a [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► separate they have a sort of separate [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► dispensation but they're it's not like [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► they've been a liberal democracy this [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► whole time but you know it's I'm just [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► I'm rehashing something that everybody [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► has said every day for over a year now [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► but the part the part and why I've read [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► about Congress in particular is that you [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► know whether or not what James Buchanan [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► you know Herbert Hoover warren g harding [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► you know you got you got these [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► characters that you run into the maybe [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► aren't the best example of American [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► exceptionalism but like by and large [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► most people who were in the White House [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► at least bought the best lies about you [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► got it you got to bring Harding into [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► this at least most most people whether [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► or not Bill Clinton is the best human [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► being or [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► you know George I mean I'm not here to [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► rehabilitate the reputation of george w [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► bush but boy by comparison but i mean at [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► least i mean george w bush may have been [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► a not very bright dry drunk but i think [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► in his heart he probably believed a lot [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► of the better truths and and some of the [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► more interesting lies about america that [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► let's we'll be able to get through it [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► from week to week and certainly think [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► brock obama believed it big time do you [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► remember two years ago we still said [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► things like george bush was the worst [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► president i know i know two years and [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► now he just seems like uh if we could [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► only go back to to a day when the [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► president knew which side of his body [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► his heart was on right right but but [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► that's on the one hand though you've got [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► somebody in there who clearly i mean [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► setting aside all the narcissism and all [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► that kind of stuff but it's somebody who [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► clearly does not like the actual the [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► real stuff that has made America great [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► and has no respect for the agreed upon [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► lies that made America pretty good he [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► just doesn't care he's fine to burn it [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► all down I'm even gonna set aside the [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► mental stuff for now but just even just [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► the ability to like as they say you know [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► he's gonna be persuaded by the last you [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► know general that he talked to as far as [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► what he thinks from now on that's not [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► bad enough like I actually think we [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► could survive that fine if the check on [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► that should be people who know better in [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► Congress never side you're on and the [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► fact that this is I mean I understand [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► the whole basis of there's a reason they [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► call it politics it's not Paul a friend [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► like I get that but like there's just [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► there's something so upsetting to me [TS]

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00:56:25 ◼   ► the great shows you know you just keep [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► hoping you know you guys you know what [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► is it I posted up I posted a really cool [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► painting of Cthulhu the other day with [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► two guys in a rowboat running away from [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► it and the New Yorker stock caption I [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► gave to it was well that's not diagnosed [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► from a distance it's like how how how [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► far is it gonna go before we say this is [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► I mean is it gives it gives it the worst [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► thing that keeps us all up but is it [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► gonna be little Rocket Man shooting at [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► us what's it gonna be before people go [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► dude you got a fucking toilet down like [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► you've got away please learn to pretend [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► like you're the fucking president and [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► like whoo there's just nobody doing that [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► and and that and so I guess what I'm [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► trying to say is it like I am NOT here [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► to whitewash and I choose that word [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► carefully whitewash over the very [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► problematic history of the United States [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► but like there is us there is a self [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► fixing nature to America that takes a [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► long time that I do believe in I don't [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► know if I'm always right but I do at [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► least believe in that it's just that I [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► don't believe that's happening right now [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► and just even just look at the EPA [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► people are saying it might take 30 years [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► to undo what's already happened to the [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► EPA there's stuff like that that is just [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► like at a time when everything's just [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► the environment is just crumbling and [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► the numbers are there for all of this [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► stuff and nobody's standing up I'm sorry [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► I'm just screaming into the wind that's [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► like it's so maddening to me that there [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► are not the everybo keeps talk about the [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► grown-ups in the room well you know you [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► got 100 grown-ups over here and over 400 [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► on this other side like why why aren't [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► they being the grown-ups why aren't they [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► it's because well some of them some of [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► them benefit greatly by being able to [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► not get this guy mad at them on the [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► internet and then there are other people [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► I guess they just they just don't have [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► the political will or votes to be able [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► to do anything of substance but like [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► seriously like what does it gonna take [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► you know to get anywhere to with near [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► back to where we could be to just even [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► even get back there's stuff that is as [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► bad as the 50s and 60s right now [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► happening that's like we lost like 50 [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► years somewhere the thing is that all [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► any of us have is the news and and one [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► of the things that we always said about [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► the Internet from the very beginning was [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► that I mean and this was all this was [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► often talked about as a strength in the [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► early days you would be able to tailor [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► your news feed so that it fit your [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► interests you have met your interests [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► and now we are living in a world where [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► you can tailor your news feed and [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► everybody's watching their own [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► individual news feed and the one that [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► that people like us are watching is in [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► full-on panic mode all the time and so [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► it looks like a doomsday scenario that [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► isn't an accurate picture right this [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► whole like the EPA or the the damage to [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► the environment is going to take 30 [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► years to correct well no it's it's it [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► depends on how you read what's going on [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► like there is damage being done yes but [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► there has been there have been a lot of [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► improvements the the damage even during [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► the Obama administration we were still [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► doing a ton of damage it's not like we [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► went from from Avatar to [TS]

00:59:42 ◼   ► to Bladerunner in two weeks and then [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► we'll never get back to avatar like it's [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► a continuum and and progress is being [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► made so on the one hand I just I always [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► caution like you get into a new cycle [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► and it news is built on creating panic [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► and [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► and [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► people mm-hmm it's very very hard to [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► take one big step back and not be in a [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► state of panic because in fact panicking [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► feels like action you know it feels like [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► you're engaged it feels like you're [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► doing something to be in a state of like [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► anxious like but like anxious stress all [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► the time yeah but like my I do believe [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► that with Trump there there is no [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► putting that genie back into the bottle [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► like something has changed like [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► irrevocably but what Trump and the [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► Congress are I think is a product of [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► basically 50 years of ground game that [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► the Conservatives have been playing that [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► the Liberals have failed at and it [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► partly it is in the nature of the two [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► animals like liberalism thinks of itself [TS]

01:01:11 ◼   ► as an over arching worldview that we are [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► the people that believe in the [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► philosopher-king we believe in the idea [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► that if people are educated they will [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► make good choices and that we need to [TS]

01:01:27 ◼   ► bring education to places if people only [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► were educated if they could only see [TS]

01:01:33 ◼   ► then they would naturally be liberals [TS]

01:01:36 ◼   ► and so that's been our focus for ever [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► since the civil rights movement we need [TS]

01:01:44 ◼   ► to for instance busing is an example of [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► a program where we just wanted people to [TS]

01:01:51 ◼   ► to interact with each other we were we [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► were attempting to combat the the kind [TS]

01:02:02 ◼   ► of the separatism of the races bite like [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► almost force wedging them together and [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► this was based on an idealistic [TS]

01:02:14 ◼   ► that we could educate people by showing [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► them and that that was going to create [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► this world and on the right they had a [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► very much more pragmatic approach to [TS]

01:02:28 ◼   ► American politics which was they said [TS]

01:02:32 ◼   ► we're going to get people elected to the [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► local school board and to the County [TS]

01:02:40 ◼   ► Council and once we get somebody in [TS]

01:02:43 ◼   ► there then we're going to Gerry manned [TS]

01:02:46 ◼   ► the districts so that the district okay [TS]

01:02:50 ◼   ► once you get into the tree house we're [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► gonna pull up the ladder that's right [TS]

01:02:53 ◼   ► we're gonna draw the line now so that [TS]

01:02:56 ◼   ► this district and no longer includes any [TS]

01:02:58 ◼   ► black neighborhoods and the district is [TS]

01:03:00 ◼   ► going to look like a like a paint [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► splotch but that doesn't matter because [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► we're not trying to create a world of [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► egalitarianism we're not trying to work [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► according to a premise that all people [TS]

01:03:15 ◼   ► aspire to their highest selves we're [TS]

01:03:20 ◼   ► trying to get political power in the [TS]

01:03:22 ◼   ► Congress and we're gonna do that [TS]

01:03:24 ◼   ► methodically we're gonna do that with a [TS]

01:03:26 ◼   ► kind of military like strategy and when [TS]

01:03:30 ◼   ► people were getting you know this is 25 [TS]

01:03:32 ◼   ► years ago we started talking about like [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► wait a minute all these school boards [TS]

01:03:36 ◼   ► are denying evolution who are these [TS]

01:03:42 ◼   ► ding-a-lings but from the leftist [TS]

01:03:45 ◼   ► perspective we were like well that's [TS]

01:03:46 ◼   ► just some small-town dumb little [TS]

01:03:49 ◼   ► Oklahoma problem and evolution is a [TS]

01:03:53 ◼   ► widely accepted theory any smart person [TS]

01:03:55 ◼   ► believes in it and so we're not gonna [TS]

01:03:58 ◼   ► worry about it we're not gonna go try [TS]

01:04:00 ◼   ► and put our own people on those school [TS]

01:04:02 ◼   ► boards we're going to assume that things [TS]

01:04:05 ◼   ► are you know that that our higher selves [TS]

01:04:08 ◼   ► will win and now we're living in a world [TS]

01:04:12 ◼   ► where the the Congress is not made up of [TS]

01:04:17 ◼   ► people who you know who went to college [TS]

01:04:23 ◼   ► started a successful business had an [TS]

01:04:26 ◼   ► altruistic [TS]

01:04:27 ◼   ► sense of American political process [TS]

01:04:31 ◼   ► fought in the good war you know and go [TS]

01:04:35 ◼   ► to go to Washington trying to make a [TS]

01:04:37 ◼   ► difference we're looking at a Congress [TS]

01:04:40 ◼   ► that is full of people that were [TS]

01:04:42 ◼   ► strategically sent there to accomplish a [TS]

01:04:45 ◼   ► pretty narrow mission which is basically [TS]

01:04:51 ◼   ► hamstrung the government limit its power [TS]

01:04:55 ◼   ► and return the right to decide whether [TS]

01:05:01 ◼   ► evolution is true or not to the local [TS]

01:05:04 ◼   ► school board which we've already stacked [TS]

01:05:09 ◼   ► with people and that's the that has been [TS]

01:05:12 ◼   ► the Republican game for 50 years and [TS]

01:05:14 ◼   ► they it's just it's just a strategy and [TS]

01:05:18 ◼   ► on the Left we considered ourselves [TS]

01:05:21 ◼   ► above that kind of of like college [TS]

01:05:25 ◼   ► football like ground game and we had [TS]

01:05:27 ◼   ► none our ground game was all devoted to [TS]

01:05:32 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

01:05:33 ◼   ► to to again this this basically long [TS]

01:05:39 ◼   ► history premise which is the more [TS]

01:05:42 ◼   ► educated people are the more affluent [TS]

01:05:44 ◼   ► they are and educated they are the more [TS]

01:05:47 ◼   ► they will take an interest in civics the [TS]

01:05:49 ◼   ► more they will as you were saying you [TS]

01:05:53 ◼   ► know once you have a complex idea you [TS]

01:05:56 ◼   ► very seldom go back to a simple one [TS]

01:05:59 ◼   ► but what we didn't understand was you [TS]

01:06:01 ◼   ► can't just go in someplace hand them a [TS]

01:06:04 ◼   ► complex idea handsome kid a complex idea [TS]

01:06:07 ◼   ► and all of a sudden that idea Trump's [TS]

01:06:10 ◼   ► his parents and his grandparents and his [TS]

01:06:12 ◼   ► church yeah yeah yeah so anyway we've [TS]

01:06:16 ◼   ► done a very bad job of playing football [TS]

01:06:18 ◼   ► and the political situation we're in [TS]

01:06:23 ◼   ► right now is is a product of that and I [TS]

01:06:28 ◼   ► think that and the Republicans have done [TS]

01:06:30 ◼   ► or the I'm sorry the conservative side [TS]

01:06:32 ◼   ► of the country has done a very good job [TS]

01:06:36 ◼   ► of characterizing us as shrill out of [TS]

01:06:40 ◼   ► touch because because every time we've [TS]

01:06:43 ◼   ► advanced a really great fairy we also [TS]

01:06:47 ◼   ► it's very easy to pick and choose among [TS]

01:06:50 ◼   ► the theories promulgated by the left and [TS]

01:06:53 ◼   ► find one that seems bonkers to a [TS]

01:06:57 ◼   ► church-going person in Ohio mm-hmm and [TS]

01:06:59 ◼   ► then all you have to do is put that on [TS]

01:07:01 ◼   ► your brochure and say look what the [TS]

01:07:03 ◼   ► Liberals want us to do you know they [TS]

01:07:06 ◼   ► believe that they believe that all kids [TS]

01:07:08 ◼   ► should have sex change operations it's [TS]

01:07:11 ◼   ► like what's what where did you get that [TS]

01:07:13 ◼   ► you know but that but there are a lot of [TS]

01:07:16 ◼   ► grandmother's in Ohio that that's all [TS]

01:07:18 ◼   ► they need to hear yeah so how do we get [TS]

01:07:21 ◼   ► our ground game back I don't think that [TS]

01:07:25 ◼   ► it's in the nature of liberals to have a [TS]

01:07:27 ◼   ► ground game because we're because we [TS]

01:07:31 ◼   ► that's not how we think but weird we [TS]

01:07:35 ◼   ► have to acknowledge that we're losing in [TS]

01:07:39 ◼   ► a battle between like you know in a [TS]

01:07:43 ◼   ► battle between a team that has a ground [TS]

01:07:45 ◼   ► game we're not doing a good job of [TS]

01:07:47 ◼   ► convincing and I don't know how to [TS]

01:07:51 ◼   ► improve on that I don't know how to how [TS]

01:07:56 ◼   ► to get Neil deGrasse Tyson out to the [TS]

01:08:01 ◼   ► world and and I don't think that an [TS]

01:08:06 ◼   ► Oprah presidency is the way but like I [TS]

01:08:10 ◼   ► do like how many women are running for [TS]

01:08:12 ◼   ► office oh it's fantastic Seattle has our [TS]

01:08:15 ◼   ► first female mayor in a hundred years [TS]

01:08:17 ◼   ► basically yeah I mean I could just think [TS]

01:08:20 ◼   ► of half a dozen reasons why that is a [TS]

01:08:22 ◼   ► good and encouraging sign even in [TS]

01:08:25 ◼   ► conservative places I mean you can't you [TS]

01:08:29 ◼   ► can't argue with [TS]

01:08:32 ◼   ► female legislators I think they [TS]

01:08:34 ◼   ► particularly in Congress I think a [TS]

01:08:38 ◼   ► majority female Congress would be such a [TS]

01:08:41 ◼   ► different animal oh my god yeah [TS]

01:08:43 ◼   ► wouldn't matter whether they were all [TS]

01:08:44 ◼   ► Anita Bryant's I think you would see I [TS]

01:08:48 ◼   ► think you would see a justice just a [TS]

01:08:52 ◼   ► different mentality yeah but I don't I [TS]

01:08:57 ◼   ► don't know what to I don't know what the [TS]

01:09:00 ◼   ► antidote to the present moment and the [TS]

01:09:02 ◼   ► feeling that we are on the constant [TS]

01:09:04 ◼   ► verge of war famine catastrophe signing [TS]

01:09:09 ◼   ► our government for three weeks at a time [TS]

01:09:10 ◼   ► I mean that's it's it's insane but you [TS]

01:09:13 ◼   ► know again it's not unprecedented and as [TS]

01:09:15 ◼   ► you were saying it's not just in 68 in [TS]

01:09:20 ◼   ► 72 in 1972 George Wallace ran for the US [TS]

01:09:24 ◼   ► presidency on a recent like a struggling [TS]

01:09:28 ◼   ► like a racism but I mean you see I've [TS]

01:09:30 ◼   ► been silvered through the 90s Strom [TS]

01:09:31 ◼   ► Thurmond right it's bananas right I mean [TS]

01:09:35 ◼   ► there's there's there have there have [TS]

01:09:37 ◼   ► been crazy crazy crazy times before and [TS]

01:09:42 ◼   ► I mean obviously like I was talking to [TS]

01:09:45 ◼   ► somebody the other day like movies in [TS]

01:09:49 ◼   ► the future who want to cast someone in [TS]

01:09:52 ◼   ► the role of the President of the United [TS]

01:09:53 ◼   ► States what are they gonna do now like [TS]

01:09:57 ◼   ► it used to be that if you wanted the [TS]

01:10:00 ◼   ► president even if it was like a science [TS]

01:10:03 ◼   ► fiction movie or a future movie he found [TS]

01:10:07 ◼   ► someone that seemed serious and now how [TS]

01:10:12 ◼   ► do you cast the president it could be it [TS]

01:10:13 ◼   ► could be Bobcat Goldthwait ghost like [TS]

01:10:15 ◼   ► you could have anybody straight so that [TS]

01:10:19 ◼   ► definitely is like a that's a trip but I [TS]

01:10:23 ◼   ► I mean every time I every time I see a [TS]

01:10:28 ◼   ► bunch of young lawyers sitting [TS]

01:10:31 ◼   ► indian-style on the floor at an [TS]

01:10:33 ◼   ► immigration building like frantically [TS]

01:10:37 ◼   ► doing pro bono work to file injunctions [TS]

01:10:42 ◼   ► I'm reminded that this is a fucking [TS]

01:10:44 ◼   ► great country [TS]

01:10:45 ◼   ► oh yeah look at what happened the at the [TS]

01:10:47 ◼   ► airports when the travel ban came down [TS]

01:10:50 ◼   ► yeah I mean that's as horrible as [TS]

01:10:52 ◼   ► everybody felt about that that was that [TS]

01:10:54 ◼   ► was an amazing moment that hadn't [TS]

01:10:57 ◼   ► happened [TS]

01:10:58 ◼   ► imagine if the presence of that kind of [TS]

01:11:01 ◼   ► pushback had not been in evidence at [TS]

01:11:03 ◼   ► that time where we might even be now [TS]

01:11:04 ◼   ► well and that if it hadn't happened [TS]

01:11:07 ◼   ► that's where you look at your country [TS]

01:11:10 ◼   ► and say this this place is full of decay [TS]

01:11:13 ◼   ► and rot but it did happen and you and [TS]

01:11:17 ◼   ► then you're able to say like I have [TS]

01:11:19 ◼   ► faith in this I have faith in in who we [TS]

01:11:22 ◼   ► are and what we're doing I need to not [TS]

01:11:27 ◼   ► be sad we went to see um you know an [TS]

01:11:29 ◼   ► okay movie who is not a fantastic movie [TS]

01:11:31 ◼   ► although it's a movie my daughter has [TS]

01:11:33 ◼   ► now declared it was definitely her [TS]

01:11:34 ◼   ► favorite musical and might be here [TS]

01:11:36 ◼   ► all-time favorite movie which is the [TS]

01:11:38 ◼   ► greatest showmen starring wolverine and [TS]

01:11:41 ◼   ► it's the very very heavily fictionalized [TS]

01:11:43 ◼   ► story of PT Barnum but long story short [TS]

01:11:46 ◼   ► one of the kind of goofy narratives in [TS]

01:11:48 ◼   ► this is like how good he was in some [TS]

01:11:50 ◼   ► ways too like kooky Barnum yeah giving [TS]

01:11:53 ◼   ► like humanity to his oddities and like [TS]

01:11:55 ◼   ► how they made this family out of the [TS]

01:11:56 ◼   ► bearded lady and General Tom Thumb and [TS]

01:11:58 ◼   ► and I swear to god this is an actual [TS]

01:12:00 ◼   ► thing that happened that made me feel so [TS]

01:12:02 ◼   ► good and I don't know I can't tell she's [TS]

01:12:04 ◼   ► just doing this to make me feel good but [TS]

01:12:05 ◼   ► there's this moment where like they're [TS]

01:12:07 ◼   ► they so they're outside the Barnum [TS]

01:12:09 ◼   ► theater and they're being confronted and [TS]

01:12:12 ◼   ► like menaced it's like something out of [TS]

01:12:15 ◼   ► x-men it's all these little you know all [TS]

01:12:17 ◼   ► these local hoods with Donegal caps in [TS]

01:12:19 ◼   ► dirt on their face I'll kick their ass [TS]

01:12:21 ◼   ► for being creaks and it's like a shot of [TS]

01:12:23 ◼   ► like bearded lady Chang and Eng bunker [TS]

01:12:25 ◼   ► or the Siamese twins it's you know it's [TS]

01:12:27 ◼   ► in the bearded lady and then it's like [TS]

01:12:29 ◼   ► Zac Efron and zendaya the the beautiful [TS]

01:12:33 ◼   ► slender actress and and she's kind of [TS]

01:12:36 ◼   ► like what what is what is what why is [TS]

01:12:39 ◼   ► that a problem and I was like well you [TS]

01:12:40 ◼   ► know what do you think she's like I [TS]

01:12:43 ◼   ► don't I don't understand because he's [TS]