Roderick on the Line

◼   ► this episode of Roderick online was [TS]

◼   ► recorded on Tuesday January 23rd 2018 [TS]

◼   ► [Music] [TS]

◼   ► I'm Merlin how's it going how did you [TS]

◼   ► missing yeah all right in a week no I I [TS]

◼   ► feel like we should come clean no no no [TS]

◼   ► I never come clean the dentist I should [TS]

◼   ► have done it today it's okay it's all [TS]

◼   ► right it's all right be fine I'm sure [TS]

◼   ► it'll be fine - it's a it's a big [TS]

◼   ► rainstorm today here big rainstorm yeah [TS]

◼   ► you know in the morning it it was it was [TS]

◼   ► clear and and almost almost sunny and [TS]

◼   ► now the big storms coming in a storm and [TS]

◼   ► I have a I don't know if you are [TS]

◼   ► interested in the weather my family [TS]

◼   ► really cares about the weather your [TS]

◼   ► memory serves your mom goes pretty deep [TS]

◼   ► on weather oh my sister's even worse oh [TS]

◼   ► really [TS]

◼   ► yeah just all they want to talk about is [TS]

◼   ► the freakin weather and I thought I [TS]

◼   ► thought that Susan was more like looking [TS]

◼   ► at the stars kind of situation oh she [TS]

◼   ► loves looking at the stars - yeah yep [TS]

◼   ► stars stars are kind of weather [TS]

◼   ► stars are yab that stars are like or [TS]

◼   ► what we call old web we're seeing we're [TS]

◼   ► seeing we're seeing a star what a star [TS]

◼   ► look like millions of years ago is that [TS]

◼   ► mind-blowing [TS]

◼   ► you know the entire universe could be [TS]

◼   ► just a molecule in the end of your [TS]

◼   ► finger whoa [TS]

◼   ► so what's oh wait a minute so you're [TS]

◼   ► saying could be in my finger I'm saying [TS]

◼   ► it could be in your finger universe does [TS]

◼   ► not know where that thing has been MGM [TS]

◼   ► cr-v we could we could right now be a [TS]

◼   ► molecule in the thumb Oh some giant [TS]

◼   ► being who has his thumb up do you think [TS]

◼   ► kids still get tripped out when they [TS]

◼   ► think about things like that when you go [TS]

◼   ► through that like stony like first time [TS]

◼   ► you really contemplate the idea of [TS]

◼   ► infinity the first time you wonder if [TS]

◼   ► we're all seeing this [TS]

◼   ► color green you think kids these [TS]

◼   ► millenniums you think they still have [TS]

◼   ► those kinds of reveries oh yeah I worry [TS]

◼   ► that they don't you have to you know I [TS]

◼   ► bet you get Netflix and you got the [TS]

◼   ► snapchat you know they don't have to [TS]

◼   ► contemplate things that are that are [TS]

◼   ► recursive and hurtful to the brain it's [TS]

◼   ► not you know I think that we didn't have [TS]

◼   ► them in the popular culture and so when [TS]

◼   ► you heard when you heard something like [TS]

◼   ► that in in Animal House [TS]

◼   ► well when Donald Sutherland is passing [TS]

◼   ► adjoin around and they're like you know [TS]

◼   ► it actually had the force of novelty [TS]

◼   ► sure and I think if you grew up you know [TS]

◼   ► soaked in stuff it would be a little bit [TS]

◼   ► harder to get to that place but [TS]

◼   ► absolutely the moment it actually occurs [TS]

◼   ► to you I think it still got to be like I [TS]

◼   ► have a terrible time blowin my [TS]

◼   ► daughter's mind I've tried so many times [TS]

◼   ► I've been I've been trying to get her [TS]

◼   ► freaked out about infinity for years and [TS]

◼   ► she still she still hasn't freaked out [TS]

◼   ► by it by infinity [TS]

◼   ► I mean I still struggle with with string [TS]

◼   ► theory think about it all the time and I [TS]

◼   ► just can't there's just some things I [TS]

◼   ► can't resolve yeah I mean does does P [TS]

◼   ► equal NP is a big question let's check [TS]

◼   ► reddit but we I mean you know multiple [TS]

◼   ► universes I mean you could sit and think [TS]

◼   ► about it at great length [TS]

◼   ► still still mind-blowing I think it's [TS]

◼   ► one reason I was so attracted I had very [TS]

◼   ► little exposure to philosophy before [TS]

◼   ► college and then I read up I read some [TS]

◼   ► existentialist stuff in my my gap year [TS]

◼   ► and I got very interested in philosophy [TS]

◼   ► because it seemed like kind of like you [TS]

◼   ► know universe in a finger with a [TS]

◼   ► graduate degree kind of thing like idea [TS]

◼   ► of epistemology was very fascinating to [TS]

◼   ► me like how do we know what we know but [TS]

◼   ► that would just turn my brain maybe I'm [TS]

◼   ► just a simple farm boy from Cincinnati [TS]

◼   ► but like that kind of thing would just [TS]

◼   ► bend my brain you you think therefore [TS]

◼   ► you are I did a paper on Descartes I [TS]

◼   ► remember had then the final paragraph is [TS]

◼   ► maybe second less paragraph it had this [TS]

◼   ► very memorable line [TS]

◼   ► so who is this guy we call God that's [TS]

◼   ► kind of work I was doing that you need [TS]

◼   ► you know don't put Descartes before day [TS]

◼   ► horse oh come on [TS]

◼   ► Oh God dad I really put that I put that [TS]

◼   ► in a paper oh no because so I had a [TS]

◼   ► professor who allowed us to be creative [TS]

◼   ► hmm and and I did eh this is in the [TS]

◼   ► history of ideas history of ideas and I [TS]

◼   ► did a song about Descartes like the [TS]

◼   ► style like Jonathan Richmond I think I [TS]

◼   ► could really get into it it was pretty [TS]

◼   ► good yeah we the the the other students [TS]

◼   ► were like yeah that's fun yeah yeah oh [TS]

◼   ► yeah you know there are a lot of things [TS]

◼   ► that that that constitute an education [TS]

◼   ► aren't there oh yeah don't don't let [TS]

◼   ► your school get in the way of your [TS]

◼   ► education oh thank you thank you don't [TS]

◼   ► let your ontology recapitulate your [TS]

◼   ► philosophy said the 30 year old guy the [TS]

◼   ► 30 year old townie with the bong things [TS]

◼   ► change lessons that went here they my [TS]

◼   ► tape guy hey you want to buy my CD [TS]

◼   ► let me guess is it almost all reggae [TS]

◼   ► yeah I went to the I went to the women's [TS]

◼   ► March the other day and one of the great [TS]

◼   ► things about big marches I mean this is [TS]

◼   ► a while back sure this is a how many [TS]

◼   ► weeks ago at this point but uh but one [TS]

◼   ► of the great things about those rallies [TS]

◼   ► is that there is always a kind of [TS]

◼   ► there's always a sort of a gray area I [TS]

◼   ► don't I wouldn't personally consider it [TS]

◼   ► a gray area but some people clearly do [TS]

◼   ► where they want to use that opportunity [TS]

◼   ► to also pitch their their big program oh [TS]

◼   ► yes and every demonstration whatever is [TS]

◼   ► of any size I've ever been to you could [TS]

◼   ► maybe call them fringe characters but [TS]

◼   ► you can get you got people with a very [TS]

◼   ► important message and they're gonna use [TS]

◼   ► that as a platform yeah like you know in [TS]

◼   ► a big rally like that like of course the [TS]

◼   ► labor unions are there and they're [TS]

◼   ► saying you know we want you to support [TS]

◼   ► the labor union because we have a lot of [TS]

◼   ► women in the Union yes you know and and [TS]

◼   ► you can make a case like oh okay right [TS]

◼   ► this is a you know absolutely absolutely [TS]

◼   ► right it's still a co-optation of the [TS]

◼   ► idea but you can kind of go with them [TS]

◼   ► but there was there were a group of guys [TS]

◼   ► standing there all men by the way [TS]

◼   ► holding a banner that said support the [TS]

◼   ► freedom struggle of Palestinian women [TS]

◼   ► and then they had a bunch of material [TS]

◼   ► about how Israel was committing a [TS]

◼   ► genocide okay and it was like boom all [TS]

◼   ► right I mean maybe if there were some [TS]

◼   ► women that were holding that banner it [TS]

◼   ► might go a little bit further but it [TS]

◼   ► seems like he just tacked the word woman [TS]

◼   ► on to the end of that right sure yeah [TS]

◼   ► but they slather not some woman sauce [TS]

◼   ► they put some woman sauce on there and [TS]

◼   ► then there was a group that was like [TS]

◼   ► protecting the elephants especially the [TS]

◼   ► women voices like that's a that's a [TS]

◼   ► that's another iteration and then at a [TS]

◼   ► certain point oh my god I really just [TS]

◼   ► wanted to because there was a certain [TS]

◼   ► kind of corner where the March was [TS]

◼   ► turning that a lot of these people had [TS]

◼   ► had a raid and I just wanted I wanted to [TS]

◼   ► be in a kind of like knee-length [TS]

◼   ► leather car coat from Costco standing [TS]

◼   ► there going you want to check out my CD [TS]

◼   ► [Laughter] [TS]

◼   ► I'm so much respect for women I can only [TS]

◼   ► get it out on the Philips Compact this [TS]

◼   ► format it's all in there [TS]

◼   ► respect women women women are somebody [TS]

◼   ► sometimes they confuse but they know the [TS]

◼   ► news women break my heart and make me [TS]

◼   ► fight their women this episode of [TS]

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◼   ► on the line and all the great shows yeah [TS]

◼   ► yeah you know it's it's true it shows [TS]

◼   ► you how fractured things are things are [TS]

◼   ► fractured things feel very fractured [TS]

◼   ► right now there [TS]

◼   ► so fractured a very fractured you [TS]

◼   ► remember a few problem with the [TS]

◼   ► Cochran's I remember how long ago it was [TS]

◼   ► and I was telling you I was telling you [TS]

◼   ► in the after show in the dark dark show [TS]

◼   ► show yeah through tour yeah you can't [TS]

◼   ► you can't you can't listen to dark [TS]

◼   ► Roderick on the line Roderick on the [TS]

◼   ► line after dark because it's only [TS]

◼   ► available to subscribers but but I was [TS]

◼   ► counseling you not to not to not to fret [TS]

◼   ► not to fret about the Congress not to [TS]

◼   ► fall not even to follow that story yeah [TS]

◼   ► but I know it's hard I know it's hard [TS]

◼   ► it's hard it's hard yeah what did you [TS]

◼   ► know okay so you went to this mark did [TS]

◼   ► you go to the big one last year last [TS]

◼   ► year I have a little bit of a [TS]

◼   ► complication that kept me out of the [TS]

◼   ► March okay but you went this year what [TS]

◼   ► are your impressions of the of the March [TS]

◼   ► once the March got going I was you know [TS]

◼   ► it's it's really exciting like there's a [TS]

◼   ► lot there's a lot about that March [TS]

◼   ► moving forward that felt exactly how you [TS]

◼   ► would hope it would feel empowered [TS]

◼   ► little girls with signs their dad made [TS]

◼   ► for them well you know there are those [TS]

◼   ► there's the there's the comedic aspect [TS]

◼   ► of it which is kind of fun is marching [TS]

◼   ► behind like several women that were [TS]

◼   ► wearing hardhats and they all had [TS]

◼   ► jackets on from the Carpenters Union and [TS]

◼   ► they weren't marching as part of a union [TS]

◼   ► they were just carpenters you had their [TS]

◼   ► hard hats on were like here we you know [TS]

◼   ► like fuck yeah this is exactly kind of [TS]

◼   ► the story that they're telling a story [TS]

◼   ► by their presence and that story is a [TS]

◼   ► story that that often gets neglected [TS]

◼   ► like you don't we don't as a we don't [TS]

◼   ► typically look at a construction site [TS]

◼   ► and and see into it it's just a [TS]

◼   ► buildings are getting built and we don't [TS]

◼   ► see who's there and we don't see the [TS]

◼   ► inner politics and when we talk about [TS]

◼   ► equal pay for equal work or we talk [TS]

◼   ► about the workplace we kind of typically [TS]

◼   ► picture of an office environment yeah [TS]

◼   ► but I mean also I mean at first I want [TS]

◼   ► to stipulate I am NOT making fun of [TS]

◼   ► these movements or of this March I mean [TS]

◼   ► merely groaning about the situation in [TS]

◼   ► life but you know you think about go [TS]

◼   ► back to Flashdance and was like oh it's [TS]

◼   ► a sexy lady with long hair who's a [TS]

◼   ► welder it was my back that kind of story [TS]

◼   ► you know I mean part of the part of the [TS]

◼   ► stop your story but part of it is that [TS]

◼   ► like it feels like so many of the [TS]

◼   ► amazing and wonderful and overdue [TS]

◼   ► changes that have happened in the last [TS]

◼   ► five to 15 years are widely adopted and [TS]

◼   ► loved by 90% of the people on our side [TS]

◼   ► of the aisle and so many of those [TS]

◼   ► changes are are so threatening as to be [TS]

◼   ► deniable to people on the other side of [TS]

◼   ► the aisle but this is a good example of [TS]

◼   ► one that I feel like there's no one in [TS]

◼   ► America on either side of the aisle [TS]

◼   ► ninety-eight percent of the people in [TS]

◼   ► America I think would look at one of [TS]

◼   ► these women in her heart hat with her [TS]

◼   ► Union jacket on and go yeah fuck yeah [TS]

◼   ► right there's no one in America anymore [TS]

◼   ► that thinks there shouldn't be female [TS]

◼   ► carpenters right and I think that [TS]

◼   ► everyone in you know the most [TS]

◼   ► conservative voter in Alabama is not [TS]

◼   ► going to I mean there there are gonna be [TS]

◼   ► people they're gonna be dicks and and [TS]

◼   ► like they're gonna be dicks who no [TS]

◼   ► matter what their political affiliation [TS]

◼   ► when a when a woman shows up to do the [TS]

◼   ► work on their kitchen they're gonna go [TS]

◼   ► oh a woman's doing this job you know [TS]

◼   ► they're and and they're gonna be dicks [TS]

◼   ► that are both men and women that do that [TS]

◼   ► I mean I'm sure that there are women [TS]

◼   ► that opened the door to their house and [TS]

◼   ► there's a woman carpenter standing there [TS]

◼   ► and they say oh I expected a man mm-hmm [TS]

◼   ► you know that kind of thing is just a [TS]

◼   ► sort of cultural like ignorant or not [TS]

◼   ► ignorance it's just a like a culture so [TS]

◼   ► probably the lack of exposure I mean [TS]

◼   ► like if you've got if you've got some [TS]

◼   ► Richard Scarry idea in your head from [TS]

◼   ► the late 1960s it's understandable that [TS]

◼   ► that's a little bit shocking it doesn't [TS]

◼   ► mean that you hate it but it's certainly [TS]

◼   ► at least be shocking [TS]

◼   ► Yeah right it's like lowly worm yeah [TS]

◼   ► shows up to do your kitchen work and [TS]

◼   ► you're like you're a girl worm whoo [TS]

◼   ► that's that mr. frumble drive she's got [TS]

◼   ► a lot of problems there are plenty of [TS]

◼   ► cops in Richards Gary's world I don't [TS]

◼   ► know why they don't but sergeant Murphy [TS]

◼   ► chases careless he literally rides a [TS]

◼   ► motorcycle onto a Plane full of people [TS]

◼   ► you're right you're right but but the [TS]

◼   ► other thing that I saw in this rally [TS]

◼   ► that I'm talking about just people that [TS]

◼   ► were marching very close to me there [TS]

◼   ► were two women in their 60s and they [TS]

◼   ► were both about five feet tall and they [TS]

◼   ► were at first not clearly a couple they [TS]

◼   ► were just too diminutive ladies in their [TS]

◼   ► 60s but one of them is holding a small [TS]

◼   ► hand lettered sign that said that wasn't [TS]

◼   ► like us it wasn't even a sign it was [TS]

◼   ► just kind of like a piece of notebook [TS]

◼   ► paper that she had written on and [TS]

◼   ► laminated and it said we're not going [TS]

◼   ► back and as the as the March progressed [TS]

◼   ► I realized oh my god they're they're [TS]

◼   ► married and they give every indication [TS]

◼   ► of having been together for 40 years you [TS]

◼   ► know they're they have the comfort with [TS]

◼   ► one another that just is like it seems [TS]

◼   ► like they've probably been together for [TS]

◼   ► a long long time and they're not [TS]

◼   ► demonstrative they're not even really [TS]

◼   ► holding hands they're just walking [TS]

◼   ► together with this sign we're not going [TS]

◼   ► back and it was you know so so powerful [TS]

◼   ► and I and I honestly believe having [TS]

◼   ► traveled as much as I've been lucky to [TS]

◼   ► do in America and around the world that [TS]

◼   ► most people on either side of the [TS]

◼   ► political aisle confronted with these [TS]

◼   ► two actual human beings are not going to [TS]

◼   ► be against it the people that are [TS]

◼   ► against gay marriage are against it [TS]

◼   ► because they're against an idea that [TS]

◼   ► they think and they're against a notion [TS]

◼   ► that we're trying to cram it down their [TS]

◼   ► throats or I feel it feels like a like a [TS]

◼   ► threat to their [TS]

◼   ► idea of what a family is which which [TS]

◼   ► they would say d legitimizes there it's [TS]

◼   ► again it's like Ghostbusters it's like [TS]

◼   ► you're ruining my childhood by being [TS]

◼   ► married right but if they were living in [TS]

◼   ► a place where they knew these two and [TS]

◼   ► there are couples like this in Alabama [TS]

◼   ► just like there are in Seattle a hundred [TS]

◼   ► percent when confronted with actual [TS]

◼   ► people pretty much everybody with the [TS]

◼   ► exception of a few crazy zealots is [TS]

◼   ► gonna look at them and go oh well I mean [TS]

◼   ► I make an exception for my for my aunt [TS]

◼   ► and her friend you know like and it's [TS]

◼   ► not especially because they're they're [TS]

◼   ► not too vocal about it maybe yeah sort [TS]

◼   ► of like well there's well there's this [TS]

◼   ► one guy I work with who's really nice [TS]

◼   ► and he's nearing retirement age and I'm [TS]

◼   ► pretty sure he's you know special but he [TS]

◼   ► could he gets a pass because he's real [TS]

◼   ► low-key about it it's not in my face [TS]

◼   ► about it and it's not the perfect world [TS]

◼   ► that we would that we I in the left like [TS]

◼   ► idealize where everyone is absolutely [TS]

◼   ► like completely forward-facing about who [TS]

◼   ► they are and accepted broadly by [TS]

◼   ► everyone you know it it is a kind of on [TS]

◼   ► the right side of the aisle there is [TS]

◼   ► this there's all this tremendous kind of [TS]

◼   ► like what we what we think of as a [TS]

◼   ► prehistoric social thinking but [TS]

◼   ► confronted by actual people yeah pretty [TS]

◼   ► much everybody is like you cannot deny a [TS]

◼   ► thing like that you can't look at them [TS]

◼   ► and say to their face like no you're not [TS]

◼   ► you should not be entitled to this you [TS]

◼   ► should not be entitled to this happiness [TS]

◼   ► you do it's nobody would ever stand in [TS]

◼   ► front of those people I mean the way you [TS]

◼   ► get the idea some kind of Richard [TS]

◼   ► Spencer type like yelling at them but [TS]

◼   ► like after having a ten minute fifteen [TS]

◼   ► minute conversation maybe you're on a [TS]

◼   ► plane or something like that you would [TS]

◼   ► never you would it would be a hard [TS]

◼   ► harder person to turn to them and say [TS]

◼   ► well I understand what you're trying to [TS]

◼   ► do here but this is antithetical to [TS]

◼   ► everything that America is and I think [TS]

◼   ► you're evil yeah I mean and you do see [TS]

◼   ► that I mean there are definitely parents [TS]

◼   ► that reject their own children fewer and [TS]

◼   ► farther between [TS]

◼   ► I think what's I think what's crazy [TS]

◼   ► about Trump I know we never talk about [TS]

◼   ► politics [TS]

◼   ► I think what's crazy is that he has [TS]

◼   ► finally given the lie to the idea that [TS]

◼   ► the that conservative politically [TS]

◼   ► conservative people are the scolds and [TS]

◼   ► the moralizing like finger wag they're [TS]

◼   ► gonna hold privately and publicly [TS]

◼   ► they're gonna they have a standard that [TS]

◼   ► they will hold people to for a long time [TS]

◼   ► you would see that played out in terms [TS]

◼   ► of like what you have to make this cake [TS]

◼   ► you know you know you don't have to make [TS]

◼   ► this cake for gay people or you do not [TS]

◼   ► have to provide women's health care [TS]

◼   ► services because right I mean there's [TS]

◼   ► there's those sorts of things but then [TS]

◼   ► when you see what's happening with the [TS]

◼   ► fairly well documented allegations [TS]

◼   ► against the president it just doesn't [TS]

◼   ► seem to matter and Mike Pence is totally [TS]

◼   ► cool with it it just doesn't matter [TS]

◼   ► right I mean it's not like it's not even [TS]

◼   ► that I had that Trump had relationships [TS]

◼   ► with sex workers while he while his wife [TS]

◼   ► was pregnant we had a four month old son [TS]

◼   ► duh Trump is famous for for riding on [TS]

◼   ► that private jet [TS]

◼   ► but with that pedophile guy yeah who you [TS]

◼   ► know would like teenagers like and I [TS]

◼   ► mean he was the source of a lot of the [TS]

◼   ► New York Post stories about Marla maples [TS]

◼   ► I mean he was the one that encouraged [TS]

◼   ► her to go on say was the best best sex [TS]

◼   ► I've ever had he drives in that [TS]

◼   ► environment of people thinking he's a [TS]

◼   ► very competent horndog but I think it's [TS]

◼   ► really interesting because during the [TS]

◼   ► Clinton years when when Bill Clinton was [TS]

◼   ► being pounded for his for his like [TS]

◼   ► dalliance ah's and his indiscretions and [TS]

◼   ► his predatory behavior we I think [TS]

◼   ► assumed that that was being motivated by [TS]

◼   ► this religious right that we've been [TS]

◼   ► talking about for for 40 years and that [TS]

◼   ► they were that they were pretty and they [TS]

◼   ► were pursuing this out of a sense of [TS]

◼   ► this sort of moral like overactive moral [TS]

◼   ► indignation about post moral majority [TS]

◼   ► whether you agreed with them or not and [TS]

◼   ► I happened very much not to agree with [TS]

◼   ► them you'd at least given the creditors [TS]

◼   ► well you know whether or not this is [TS]

◼   ► something that they enjoy doing they [TS]

◼   ► feel by their faith and ethics they are [TS]

◼   ► obligated to call these things out on [TS]

◼   ► anybody where they see it right right [TS]

◼   ► it's a good it's a mr. kind of mission [TS]

◼   ► and that gave some clarity to the [TS]

◼   ► division between left and right because [TS]

◼   ► we on the left could look at them and [TS]

◼   ► say and see like okay they are bound by [TS]

◼   ► a code that includes their religion it [TS]

◼   ► includes their culture and it is [TS]

◼   ► internally consistent so they are they [TS]

◼   ► are an understandable and worthy [TS]

◼   ► adversary even if we don't agree I mean [TS]

◼   ► we don't agree with a lot of the [TS]

◼   ► fundamental premises but they are acting [TS]

◼   ► at least they're not inconsistent as far [TS]

◼   ► as we can see I'm avoiding the word [TS]

◼   ► hypothetical but but at least at least [TS]

◼   ► on the face of it they may be in prison [TS]

◼   ► I utterly disagree with them but there [TS]

◼   ► was an internal consistency to their [TS]

◼   ► their mass hattery [TS]

◼   ► but it also contextualized us right [TS]

◼   ► because as live liberals we were [TS]

◼   ► progressive we were it [TS]

◼   ► empathetic we were we were the ones that [TS]

◼   ► were open minded and now or maybe [TS]

◼   ► relativistic there's another word [TS]

◼   ► relativistic sure you can see you would [TS]

◼   ► see the context in something and this [TS]

◼   ► liberal arts II thing of saying like [TS]

◼   ► well yes but yes but so we wouldn't [TS]

◼   ► necessarily see it as a zero no one [TS]

◼   ► right and we were multicultural we were [TS]

◼   ► able to say like well we you know we [TS]

◼   ► need to incorporate things from around [TS]

◼   ► the world and sometimes these cultural [TS]

◼   ► differences can be advantageous you know [TS]

◼   ► it was a kind of m'as how we saw the [TS]

◼   ► social aspect of left and right and that [TS]

◼   ► wasn't always the case you know back in [TS]

◼   ► the back before World War two back [TS]

◼   ► before the civil rights movement the [TS]

◼   ► Republican Party was mostly focused on [TS]

◼   ► economics and they had a pretty liberal [TS]

◼   ► view about what a person should be able [TS]

◼   ► to do in the [TS]

◼   ► to their own home I'm from a certain [TS]

◼   ► libertarian standpoint it was a temple [TS]

◼   ► yeah and it was the Democrats that were [TS]

◼   ► all about segregation and they were all [TS]

◼   ► about you know the Democrats before [TS]

◼   ► World War two were not like socially [TS]

◼   ► progressive looks sort of the opposite [TS]

◼   ► mm-hmm but now we're in a situation [TS]

◼   ► where the where the right side of the [TS]

◼   ► aisle has pretty much for the most part [TS]

◼   ► said you know although we're Christians [TS]

◼   ► and although we you know we believe in [TS]

◼   ► God and country we think Trump's doing a [TS]

◼   ► great job and although he is like a [TS]

◼   ► coke-fueled like prostitute abusing like [TS]

◼   ► I mean he's basically he personifies [TS]

◼   ► everything that we would normally hate [TS]

◼   ► disparity at the late 80s yeah we just [TS]

◼   ► love what he's doing he's just sticking [TS]

◼   ► it he's sticking it to the Liberals and [TS]

◼   ► that's what we love but what's crazy is [TS]

◼   ► the Left have become the scolds like we [TS]

◼   ► are we are in an era right now where the [TS]

◼   ► left is extremely moralizing and very [TS]

◼   ► very much like driven by a by a kind of [TS]

◼   ► collective energy that is you know [TS]

◼   ► that's using shame and using a lot of [TS]

◼   ► the sort of things that we would have 40 [TS]

◼   ► years ago called moral majority tactics [TS]

◼   ► I guess in service of a different [TS]

◼   ► ideology but but but it's it's a very [TS]

◼   ► strange role reversal because that's the [TS]

◼   ► thing when I went back to my high school [TS]

◼   ► reunion in Anchorage right before the [TS]

◼   ► election and I talked to a bunch of my [TS]

◼   ► pals who were all golf pros and [TS]

◼   ► snowmobile salesmen and and diehard sort [TS]

◼   ► of Trump people yeah they were like you [TS]

◼   ► don't you don't see what's coming bro [TS]

◼   ► and I was like yeah I see what's coming [TS]

◼   ► a Hillary Clinton administration where [TS]

◼   ► the world moves into the future and they [TS]

◼   ► were like no no no that's not what's [TS]

◼   ► gonna happen Trump's gonna win and I was [TS]

◼   ► like there's no way in a million years [TS]

◼   ► Trump's gonna win he didn't accuse [TS]

◼   ► anyone yeah and they were like no no you [TS]

◼   ► don't see you don't get it you don't see [TS]

◼   ► what's happening and in talking to them [TS]

◼   ► over the course of a long reunion [TS]

◼   ► weekend I realized oh they think they're [TS]

◼   ► the fun ones they think they think [TS]

◼   ► they're hilarious they think they're the [TS]

◼   ► ones that know how to party they think [TS]

◼   ► they are the ones who have the real [TS]

◼   ► temperature of what America is all about [TS]

◼   ► the sort of Ted Nugent version of what's [TS]

◼   ► fun and cool and they looked at me and [TS]

◼   ► my culture I mean they know I'm fun [TS]

◼   ► right but they look at that liberalism [TS]

◼   ► and they think you guys aren't fun you [TS]

◼   ► don't have fun anymore you just are so [TS]

◼   ► uptight and you're so you know this this [TS]

◼   ► careless caricature of the left as being [TS]

◼   ► sort of what we used to say about the [TS]

◼   ► moral majority just like no fun and [TS]

◼   ► caught up in in our cane and archaic [TS]

◼   ► ideas about what people are and I was [TS]

◼   ► just like that was kind of that was kind [TS]

◼   ► of when I got off Twitter I realized [TS]

◼   ► like oh shit I don't know anything [TS]

◼   ► anymore [TS]

◼   ► I'm in the upside down now yeah I heard [TS]

◼   ► something on a political podcast I was [TS]

◼   ► listening to you this morning and guy [TS]

◼   ► said something that I thought was it's [TS]

◼   ► one of those things where once you you [TS]

◼   ► can't can't unhear it get such a useful [TS]

◼   ► paradigm is there are certain kinds of [TS]

◼   ► issues where people rarely go back to [TS]

◼   ► their original feeling people tend to [TS]

◼   ► only go one way and he said he was [TS]

◼   ► talking in particular about daca and how [TS]

◼   ► like once you know these people who are [TS]

◼   ► daca recipients and like once you've [TS]

◼   ► once you've met them once you've talked [TS]

◼   ► to them [TS]

◼   ► you're very rarely going to become more [TS]

◼   ► strident about thinking they should be [TS]

◼   ► thrown out of the country you know I [TS]

◼   ► mean and [TS]

◼   ► he also used the example of gay marriage [TS]

◼   ► where honestly if a big part of it and [TS]

◼   ► in addition to certainly obviously I [TS]

◼   ► mean this is sounds so stupid but stuff [TS]

◼   ► like you know maybe Ellen DeGeneres but [TS]

◼   ► stuff like seeing more gay people like [TS]

◼   ► on TV and knowing more gay people were [TS]

◼   ► out there that weren't dangerous [TS]

◼   ► pedophiles that was certainly a part of [TS]

◼   ► it but another part of it was like once [TS]

◼   ► you it isn't like you know once you meet [TS]

◼   ► two women who've been together since the [TS]

◼   ► 1960s yeah and it can be and are very [TS]

◼   ► smart and charming you don't go oh boy [TS]

◼   ► you know this makes me even madder about [TS]

◼   ► this you know I mean there aren't that [TS]

◼   ► many people who start out Pro gay [TS]

◼   ► marriage and then go the other way [TS]

◼   ► there aren't them people who start out [TS]

◼   ► Pro daca and go back the other way I [TS]

◼   ► don't I don't have a huge filter for [TS]

◼   ► this it's a two-hour old idea to me but [TS]

◼   ► I'm really interested of this idea like [TS]

◼   ► how many issues are there like that [TS]

◼   ► we're once people get enough exposure to [TS]

◼   ► the actual people they look at the thing [TS]

◼   ► really differently I'm reminded of that [TS]

◼   ► peanuts comic where Linus is arguing [TS]

◼   ► with Lucy and he says I love humanity [TS]

◼   ► it's people that I hate I I think I [TS]

◼   ► think that's absolutely true and I think [TS]

◼   ► it is about abstract thinking you know [TS]

◼   ► the once you are once you're capable of [TS]

◼   ► seeing things at one abstraction which [TS]

◼   ► by which I mean like not the people [TS]

◼   ► immediately in front of you but you meet [TS]

◼   ► you meet that couple that's been [TS]

◼   ► together since the 60s and then [TS]

◼   ► extrapolate that to imagine that there [TS]

◼   ► are more of those that level of [TS]

◼   ► abstraction because we here in southern [TS]

◼   ► Washington you know that there was that [TS]

◼   ► McSweeney's article the other day that [TS]

◼   ► that parodied the the journalists that [TS]

◼   ► are like going around talking to Trump [TS]

◼   ► was just literally the next thing I was [TS]

◼   ► going to say yes but there was one of [TS]

◼   ► those here in Washington where some [TS]

◼   ► reporter went down to the conservative [TS]

◼   ► like southwestern corner of Washington [TS]

◼   ► where they grow a lot of cranberries and [TS]

◼   ► said like you know how does it feel down [TS]

◼   ► here now that you know now that we're [TS]

◼   ► cracking down on immigrants and the [TS]

◼   ► sheriff and almost everybody they talked [TS]

◼   ► to was [TS]

◼   ► like well we want to crack down on [TS]

◼   ► immigrants because they are their [TS]

◼   ► rapists and criminals coming into the [TS]

◼   ► country but what that law has done is it [TS]

◼   ► like they came and got my neighbor Pablo [TS]

◼   ► who's a great dude and he's he's gonna [TS]

◼   ► raper he's been here four years he was [TS]

◼   ► like he was invaluable to the community [TS]

◼   ► and then they came and got those guys [TS]

◼   ► that have been working on them but they [TS]

◼   ► might say every single talking point [TS]

◼   ► that everybody on the Left has been [TS]

◼   ► saying right I mean right down to like [TS]

◼   ► like this like this polish doctor in [TS]

◼   ► Michigan who doesn't know polish because [TS]

◼   ► he's been here since he was three right [TS]

◼   ► that's like you how could you send it [TS]

◼   ► back there there's not even any place to [TS]

◼   ► send him back to he's never been there [TS]

◼   ► and you're like yeah that's that sucks [TS]

◼   ► that's kind of why we think this is a [TS]

◼   ► bad idea they know but everybody has [TS]

◼   ► their Pablo right but they don't extend [TS]

◼   ► it right they don't extend it to the [TS]

◼   ► abstraction of of and that's why [TS]

◼   ► statistics are so interesting like I I [TS]

◼   ► follow this guy on Twitter named Max [TS]

◼   ► roser ro ser who is a statistician and [TS]

◼   ► he really stays kind of above politics [TS]

◼   ► he just puts in numbers [TS]

◼   ► I think he's German and he you know not [TS]

◼   ► to not to stereotype no but he's a [TS]

◼   ► German statistician mm-hmm and and he is [TS]

◼   ► you know he's always posting these [TS]

◼   ► graphs and sort of very interesting [TS]

◼   ► takes on on things just just crunching [TS]

◼   ► the numbers but you look at the numbers [TS]

◼   ► and it's like well I mean my mom sent me [TS]

◼   ► something the other day that was like [TS]

◼   ► immigrants from sub-saharan Africa have [TS]

◼   ► such a greater percentage of graduate [TS]

◼   ► degrees I mean they're like a moderator [TS]

◼   ► college graduation rate then people who [TS]

◼   ► are born in the United States yeah and [TS]

◼   ► it's just impossible to argue with the [TS]

◼   ► statistics but it is but again that is [TS]

◼   ► an abstraction that it's I think much [TS]

◼   ► easier for people to [TS]

◼   ► - to see the abstraction in the other [TS]

◼   ► direction which is well I watch cops [TS]

◼   ► every week and every single person they [TS]

◼   ► pull over an arrest is black used to [TS]

◼   ► watch that show therefore every criminal [TS]

◼   ► in America is black right because that's [TS]

◼   ► what's on cops and that's that's much [TS]

◼   ► easier to apprehend then wait a minute [TS]

◼   ► the people that are immigrating to the [TS]

◼   ► United States from other countries are [TS]

◼   ► the best educated and best qualified [TS]

◼   ► people because it's really hard to [TS]

◼   ► immigrate to America you have to put up [TS]

◼   ► with so much shit [TS]

◼   ► it's insane yeah and you know and even [TS]

◼   ► people that are entering the country [TS]

◼   ► illegally are people who are aspiring [TS]

◼   ► you know they are people that are [TS]

◼   ► seeking something great and not people [TS]

◼   ► that are complacent or lazy or dumb you [TS]

◼   ► know [TS]

◼   ► nobody makes it all the way to America [TS]

◼   ► and gets a shitty job from wherever [TS]

◼   ► they're coming from because they are [TS]

◼   ► just lazy you know they're enterprising [TS]

◼   ► but it's you know I don't know speaking [TS]

◼   ► as someone who's a liberal it's very [TS]

◼   ► hard for me not to feel like it's not [TS]

◼   ► just that my views are better it's that [TS]

◼   ► my views are more accurate and that's [TS]

◼   ► all maybe that at least in your own head [TS]

◼   ► is slightly better tested well or I mean [TS]

◼   ► just just there's so much there's just [TS]

◼   ► so much reckoning going on about [TS]

◼   ► strangers there's just so much reckoning [TS]

◼   ► going on about millions of people who [TS]

◼   ► are disadvantaged culturally in a way [TS]

◼   ► that so many of that 32% are 36% are not [TS]

◼   ► and yet they have found some way to find [TS]

◼   ► a grievant in every cultural improvement [TS]

◼   ► in the last 50 years every every time [TS]

◼   ► somebody who's not them gets something [TS]

◼   ► it's a zero-sum game like everything [TS]

◼   ► everything that somebody who has always [TS]

◼   ► been treated like shit for their and [TS]

◼   ► our life gets is necessarily one less [TS]

◼   ► thing that they get in their mind that [TS]

◼   ► tends to be the yeah it tends to be the [TS]

◼   ► feeling but then like today oh sorry [TS]

◼   ► a couple couple weeks ago the president [TS]

◼   ► has decided you know because he's saving [TS]

◼   ► coal so now he's gonna put a tariff on [TS]

◼   ► imports of solar energy things so energy [TS]

◼   ► one of the one of the bright spots if [TS]

◼   ► you like to coin a pun [TS]

◼   ► one of the bright spots in growth like [TS]

◼   ► one in five new jobs suppose something [TS]

◼   ► like that as it is in solar it's going [TS]

◼   ► way way up while Cole's was going way [TS]

◼   ► way down and now they're making it more [TS]

◼   ► costly to have this this huge exploding [TS]

◼   ► growth growth area that actually could [TS]

◼   ► benefit the people who still think [TS]

◼   ► they're gonna be back in the mind any [TS]

◼   ► day now but and that's an example of a [TS]

◼   ► band I think is really intriguing about [TS]

◼   ► the cultural divide that we're [TS]

◼   ► experiencing right now which is that I [TS]

◼   ► think that there are a lot of people in [TS]

◼   ► America that will celebrate that event [TS]

◼   ► based exclusively on this idea that it's [TS]

◼   ► a it's a big middle finger to the [TS]

◼   ► hippies and I mean I drove across the [TS]

◼   ► country a couple of years ago when I [TS]

◼   ► bought my suburban which admittedly is a [TS]

◼   ► hilariously like old janky American [TS]

◼   ► truck and through the whole center of [TS]

◼   ► the country I encountered many many [TS]

◼   ► times those guys who are burning coal [TS]

◼   ► which is they they put a giant [TS]

◼   ► smokestack on their diesel truck and [TS]

◼   ► they adjust B the mixture so that when [TS]

◼   ► they slam on the gas it just sends huge [TS]

◼   ► black clouds of smoke out of their [TS]

◼   ► tailpipes with no purpose other than to [TS]

◼   ► give you that Ted Nugent fuck you and [TS]

◼   ► they're not driving those trucks in the [TS]

◼   ► middle of San Francisco they're driving [TS]

◼   ► them in Nebraska they're saying fuck you [TS]

◼   ► to the idea of a liberal [TS]

◼   ► there aren't any around them they're [TS]

◼   ► just doing it as like as a middle finger [TS]

◼   ► to people who aren't even watching and [TS]

◼   ► that that conviction that that strong [TS]

◼   ► strong feeling that the real enemy is is [TS]

◼   ► this caricature of someone kind of not [TS]

◼   ► unlike you or I but certainly like we're [TS]

◼   ► we are closer or more adjacent to this [TS]

◼   ► caricature than we are to the to to like [TS]

◼   ► the audience and a Darius Rucker concert [TS]

◼   ► but but this idea of someone with a [TS]

◼   ► college degree who thinks they're [TS]

◼   ► smarter than you who wants to quote [TS]

◼   ► unquote ram down your throats these [TS]

◼   ► ideas that that really have nothing to [TS]

◼   ► do with the fact that you get along [TS]

◼   ► pretty well with your gay neighbors but [TS]

◼   ► have everything to do with the idea that [TS]

◼   ► we are we have a vision which is of this [TS]

◼   ► to this future universe where where [TS]

◼   ► there's no manufacturing in America [TS]

◼   ► anymore that it's all been outsourced [TS]

◼   ► and the government is in charge of [TS]

◼   ► everything take your guns away take your [TS]

◼   ► guns away except that the government [TS]

◼   ► allows you to do whatever you want [TS]

◼   ► include including be a pedophile or a or [TS]

◼   ► like sex with animals or whatever it is [TS]

◼   ► that they extend this this criticism out [TS]

◼   ► to you know like this weird this weird [TS]

◼   ► idea of a liberal as someone who both [TS]

◼   ► wants to have complete like lawlessness [TS]

◼   ► on one side what they considered [TS]

◼   ► lawlessness on one side of the world [TS]

◼   ► they want to be this like Caligula n-- [TS]

◼   ► Bacchanalia on the one side even as [TS]

◼   ► they're taking away everything that [TS]

◼   ► gives your life meaning enjoy [TS]

◼   ► right so you're no longer allowed to [TS]

◼   ► worship your god you're no longer [TS]

◼   ► allowed to salute your flag we don't [TS]

◼   ► support the troops we don't allow you to [TS]

◼   ► have guns we tax all your money away to [TS]

◼   ► give it to undeserving poor people the [TS]

◼   ► abortion having trans people abortion [TS]

◼   ► having trans people who are just living [TS]

◼   ► on welfare and this is the vision of the [TS]

◼   ► world that we that that that they [TS]

◼   ► perceive us desiring and a lot of us are [TS]

◼   ► dupes right we are leftist dupes of we [TS]

◼   ► have taken the red pill we haven't taken [TS]

◼   ► the red pill that's right the Jews are [TS]

◼   ► controlling our government and and we [TS]

◼   ► are just like enthrall we're in this [TS]

◼   ► kind of days of of almost like romantic [TS]

◼   ► thrall to the idea of inclusiveness that [TS]

◼   ► is going to create a world where we're [TS]

◼   ► under Sharia law so it's almost like [TS]

◼   ► some kind of like a 50s movie where [TS]

◼   ► there's a there's a working ranch and [TS]

◼   ► some sissy dandy in a suit comes to [TS]

◼   ► visit and then wants to tell them how to [TS]

◼   ► run a ranch mm-hmm right or like yeah is [TS]

◼   ► sitting in the sitting in the scenic [TS]

◼   ► carriage Fanning himself with that with [TS]

◼   ► a lace hanky and then telling you how to [TS]

◼   ► run the ranch while he's sitting on his [TS]

◼   ► ass mining Bitcoin well you know in a [TS]

◼   ► way it's almost it's closer to the [TS]

◼   ► character of the environmental [TS]

◼   ► protection guy in Ghostbusters movie [TS]

◼   ► that movie you know yeah he's the only [TS]

◼   ► good guy this man has no dick when you [TS]

◼   ► watch that film you hear everything [TS]

◼   ► about it is like this guy is the worst [TS]

◼   ► version of a Carter Administration [TS]

◼   ► bureaucrat mm-hm and the the only way he [TS]

◼   ► makes money is by causing trouble and [TS]

◼   ► hardship for hardworking Americans for [TS]

◼   ► hardworking Americans who are just [TS]

◼   ► trying to bust just trying to [TS]

◼   ► to go so it makes them feel good and [TS]

◼   ► it's a politically a weird movie because [TS]

◼   ► though because the Ghostbusters are our [TS]

◼   ► academics and they're like [TS]

◼   ► devil-may-care but they're really I mean [TS]

◼   ► when you look at it now sure there they [TS]

◼   ► are you know they're kind of politically [TS]

◼   ► pretty Trumpy in terms of of how they [TS]

◼   ► approach dealing you know dealing with [TS]

◼   ► government people I'm watching almost [TS]

◼   ► any thriller from the last 30 years so [TS]

◼   ► the bad guys always the administrator [TS]

◼   ► right well no but also just the good [TS]

◼   ► guys I mean certainly you go would you [TS]

◼   ► go back to something like Charles [TS]

◼   ► Bronson Klee nice wait but I'm talking [TS]

◼   ► even like I rewatched taken which is a [TS]

◼   ► movie that I like a lot I hadn't watched [TS]

◼   ► it since the last election and I just [TS]

◼   ► watched it the other night and I was [TS]

◼   ► like wow this is really it's kind of a [TS]

◼   ► testament to how dads are right and and [TS]

◼   ► by any means necessary we do what we [TS]

◼   ► need to do because daughter it's like I [TS]

◼   ► mean it's really it is it is in some [TS]

◼   ► ways very much like a death wish [TS]

◼   ► kind of moving in a lot of ways I mean [TS]

◼   ► you mean just like that they're just [TS]

◼   ► like the the non authoritarian what's [TS]

◼   ► the word I'm looking for [TS]

◼   ► but like oh like in that movies just [TS]

◼   ► like he keeps worn everything taken no [TS]

◼   ► is this is this retired like ops guy is [TS]

◼   ► you know now he's away from his his wife [TS]

◼   ► and daughter the daughters gonna go to [TS]

◼   ► Europe and he's like no no you can't go [TS]

◼   ► and if you go you got to take this phone [TS]

◼   ► and answer my calls a spoiler alert she [TS]

◼   ► gets abducted he has to go and find her [TS]

◼   ► they've now drugged her and turned her [TS]

◼   ► into a prostitute she and her friend and [TS]

◼   ► he's got to go rescue her from all these [TS]

◼   ► Eastern European baddies and of course [TS]

◼   ► he just beats it's great movie he beats [TS]

◼   ► the shit out of everybody kills [TS]

◼   ► everybody and saves them and then like [TS]

◼   ► you were shown that once a fraud dad [TS]

◼   ► always knew what was right and finally [TS]

◼   ► that violence that he has had inside of [TS]

◼   ► him all that time was there for a good [TS]

◼   ► reason [TS]

◼   ► yeah yeah I mean that's the best lesson [TS]

◼   ► to be gleaned that's the cookie cutter [TS]

◼   ► thriller lesson right the yeah the this [TS]

◼   ► the the quiet Stern dad has just been [TS]

◼   ► pushed a little too far yeah had had the [TS]

◼   ► truth about the world the whole time [TS]

◼   ► and I bet that libertarianism combined [TS]

◼   ► with that sort of I guess what what now [TS]

◼   ► we would just describe with with no [TS]

◼   ► other with no other conditions we would [TS]

◼   ► just call it patriarchy or patriarchal [TS]

◼   ► mentality I mean that's like it's a [TS]

◼   ► ribbon through everything yeah and there [TS]

◼   ► there was a time until recently where [TS]

◼   ► where our take on that was a lot more [TS]

◼   ► complex than it is now and it doesn't [TS]

◼   ► feel like this is a time when we can [TS]

◼   ► afford to be complex this is another [TS]

◼   ► thing that has caused me to to feel [TS]

◼   ► personally like it this is just a time [TS]

◼   ► for me to sit out and and it's because [TS]

◼   ► it's very hard for me to look at things [TS]

◼   ► and not look at them and try to see the [TS]

◼   ► complexity in them and when you want to [TS]

◼   ► talk at least publicly now about ideas [TS]

◼   ► that are complex you're immediately [TS]

◼   ► challenged because it doesn't because [TS]

◼   ► complexity just doesn't want a [TS]

◼   ► revolutionary yeah that's right if we're [TS]

◼   ► living in a bicameral world now that [TS]

◼   ► feels very black and white and so you [TS]

◼   ► can't say like you can't really approach [TS]

◼   ► anything at least publicly at least in a [TS]

◼   ► public-facing way without taking a [TS]

◼   ► pretty dogmatic side and I just can't I [TS]

◼   ► just can't swallow it but yeah but you [TS]

◼   ► know in in our history a lot of the [TS]

◼   ► things that we look at and say that's [TS]

◼   ► what is American you know that's what [TS]

◼   ► made made us exceptional that is what we [TS]

◼   ► have always talked about as the American [TS]

◼   ► spirit and it isn't it isn't [TS]

◼   ► inextricably connected to white [TS]

◼   ► supremacy or to patriarchy there there [TS]

◼   ► are attitudes that are distinctively [TS]

◼   ► American that we have made us proud for [TS]

◼   ► 200 years and that those ideas are like [TS]

◼   ► individuality individualism I guess more [TS]

◼   ► than individuality and that can-do [TS]

◼   ► spirit and [TS]

◼   ► [Music] [TS]

◼   ► I mean all that all that sort of go [TS]

◼   ► get'em USA rah-rah stuff but there's a [TS]

◼   ► lot of there's a lot interesting about [TS]

◼   ► it there's a lot that's true about it [TS]

◼   ► and and I think on the right side of the [TS]

◼   ► aisle they feel like they are the ob [TS]

◼   ► inheritors or the protectors of some of [TS]

◼   ► those enshrined ideas and and on the [TS]

◼   ► Left I mean the you know there are a lot [TS]

◼   ► of liberal Patriots and I and I include [TS]

◼   ► myself like when I see people on the [TS]

◼   ► left say America is a garbage country [TS]

◼   ► and always has been I'm like I'm sorry [TS]

◼   ► you're wrong like you're just deeply [TS]

◼   ► profoundly wrong and that might feel [TS]

◼   ► good to say and that might feel like a [TS]

◼   ► like year on their side of the room I [TS]

◼   ► mean Jimmy but it was an evolving [TS]

◼   ► garbage fire like the the strides were [TS]

◼   ► taken every few years where things got a [TS]

◼   ► little better in one way no they were [TS]

◼   ► not always good and sometimes it does [TS]

◼   ► take a miniature revolution but that's [TS]

◼   ► that's what is it the long arc of [TS]

◼   ► history right is that like things really [TS]

◼   ► have gotten better in many quantifiable [TS]

◼   ► ways for a lot of people and it's taken [TS]

◼   ► a long time to get around to other [TS]

◼   ► people who need that and that progress [TS]

◼   ► was being made for a time it's it's that [TS]

◼   ► progress is still being it's weirdly [TS]

◼   ► Puttanesca though to find this both [TS]

◼   ► sides ISM and going oh well you know [TS]

◼   ► unless you were this kind of person so [TS]

◼   ► yeah that was true but like we're [TS]

◼   ► working on that that actually is that [TS]

◼   ► actually is getting better it's yeah [TS]

◼   ► it's I mean I know that's super easy for [TS]

◼   ► me to say but I think there's evidence [TS]

◼   ► out there that until fairly recently [TS]

◼   ► things really were on a pretty [TS]

◼   ► interesting upward incline and now now I [TS]

◼   ► think it's just a waiting I mean hate to [TS]

◼   ► cut to the chase but a lot of there's [TS]

◼   ► just no demographics King demographics [TS]

◼   ► game it's just a matter of waiting to [TS]

◼   ► age out the assholes well it is but I [TS]

◼   ► mean I don't think it's easy for you to [TS]

◼   ► say I think it is I think it's a [TS]

◼   ► challenge to remind ourselves that if [TS]

◼   ► you watch the news every day and if you [TS]

◼   ► see you know if you see the bad things [TS]

◼   ► that are being reported in the way that [TS]

◼   ► the in the way that they are like yeah [TS]

◼   ► this feels like a time where we're [TS]

◼   ► falling back or whether it [TS]

◼   ► evil is ascendant but actually things [TS]

◼   ► are getting better everyday in everyway [TS]

◼   ► and the you know the rule of law is [TS]

◼   ► gonna triumph and I mean what you don't [TS]

◼   ► think of is ten years ago all the things [TS]

◼   ► that all the terrible things that were [TS]

◼   ► happening all the people that were [TS]

◼   ► getting deported all survived 1968 we [TS]

◼   ► can survive almost anything well sure [TS]

◼   ► would survive 1985 but I mean I think [TS]

◼   ► yeah good you're breaking up a little [TS]

◼   ► bit oh I'm sorry [TS]

◼   ► hello hey are you BitTorrent hello hello [TS]

◼   ► I hear you do you know I'm I hear you I [TS]

◼   ► think you fire me yeah keep going I'll [TS]

◼   ► put a marker here and take this out okay [TS]

◼   ► I think you're all right [TS]

◼   ► I just I mean I believe in the American [TS]

◼   ► experiment I don't believe that the [TS]

◼   ► United States is a trash fire I think if [TS]

◼   ► you go back to 1780 [TS]

◼   ► and you look at every other nation on [TS]

◼   ► earth and compare our founding to theirs [TS]

◼   ► or to their status then and if you go [TS]

◼   ► back to 1900 if you go back to 1865 if [TS]

◼   ► you go anywhere in history and do a line [TS]

◼   ► by line comparison to what was happening [TS]

◼   ► in the United States you're gonna find [TS]

◼   ► that there aren't very many places that [TS]

◼   ► you can look at and say oh wow the US [TS]

◼   ► was really evil compared to right I mean [TS]

◼   ► the United Kingdom abolished slavery a [TS]

◼   ► lot sooner than America did but sooner [TS]

◼   ► by a factor of 40 years like it's not [TS]

◼   ► like it's not like Britain had outlawed [TS]

◼   ► slavery in 1500 and we were some kind of [TS]

◼   ► South Africa that persisted like it was [TS]

◼   ► an evolving process and you know to look [TS]

◼   ► back at the history of American say that [TS]

◼   ► we're we have blood on our hands is only [TS]

◼   ► to fail to look back at the history of [TS]

◼   ► the world and see that everyone has [TS]

◼   ► blood on their hands that no one there's [TS]

◼   ► no nation on earth that is absolved if [TS]

◼   ► the nation of Belgium continued to [TS]

◼   ► exploit their colonies in Africa until [TS]

◼   ► the fifties and exploit them in ways [TS]

◼   ► that would would you know burn your [TS]

◼   ► eyebrows oh is that like Congo yeah it's [TS]

◼   ► a dozen colony yeah the Congo which is [TS]

◼   ► an enormous the the entire Central [TS]

◼   ► Africa and they you know they were I [TS]

◼   ► mean they were brutal there but nobody [TS]

◼   ► looks at Belgium and says like oh what a [TS]

◼   ► knee I mean I guess the Belgians do and [TS]

◼   ► people in Europe that know that story [TS]

◼   ► but the whole idea that like America is [TS]

◼   ► a terrible place it's just it's just [TS]

◼   ► wrong we have been in we have been [TS]

◼   ► setting the tempo for 200 years for the [TS]

◼   ► extension and expansion of rights to the [TS]

◼   ► greatest number of people and political [TS]

◼   ► rights and social evolution like it's [TS]

◼   ► been happening here and other people [TS]

◼   ► have other countries have been following [TS]

◼   ► in our wake and I know there are a lot [TS]

◼   ► of Europeans who want to who want to [TS]

◼   ► point to their their own country's [TS]

◼   ► contributions to that but I think you [TS]

◼   ► would have a hard time making a case [TS]

◼   ► that certainly that that many countries [TS]

◼   ► in Western Europe have been working on [TS]

◼   ► that project any earlier than about 1960 [TS]

◼   ► you know what I mean like I mean so and [TS]

◼   ► and the United Kingdom obviously like a [TS]

◼   ► separate they have a sort of separate [TS]

◼   ► dispensation but they're it's not like [TS]

◼   ► they've been a liberal democracy this [TS]

◼   ► whole time but you know it's I'm just [TS]

◼   ► I'm rehashing something that everybody [TS]

◼   ► has said every day for over a year now [TS]

◼   ► but the part the part and why I've read [TS]

◼   ► about Congress in particular is that you [TS]

◼   ► know whether or not what James Buchanan [TS]

◼   ► you know Herbert Hoover warren g harding [TS]

◼   ► you know you got you got these [TS]

◼   ► characters that you run into the maybe [TS]

◼   ► aren't the best example of American [TS]

◼   ► exceptionalism but like by and large [TS]

◼   ► most people who were in the White House [TS]

◼   ► at least bought the best lies about you [TS]

◼   ► got it you got to bring Harding into [TS]

◼   ► this at least most most people whether [TS]

◼   ► or not Bill Clinton is the best human [TS]

◼   ► being or [TS]

◼   ► you know George I mean I'm not here to [TS]

◼   ► rehabilitate the reputation of george w [TS]

◼   ► bush but boy by comparison but i mean at [TS]

◼   ► least i mean george w bush may have been [TS]

◼   ► a not very bright dry drunk but i think [TS]

◼   ► in his heart he probably believed a lot [TS]

◼   ► of the better truths and and some of the [TS]

◼   ► more interesting lies about america that [TS]

◼   ► let's we'll be able to get through it [TS]

◼   ► from week to week and certainly think [TS]

◼   ► brock obama believed it big time do you [TS]

◼   ► remember two years ago we still said [TS]

◼   ► things like george bush was the worst [TS]

◼   ► president i know i know two years and [TS]

◼   ► now he just seems like uh if we could [TS]

◼   ► only go back to to a day when the [TS]

◼   ► president knew which side of his body [TS]

◼   ► his heart was on right right but but [TS]

◼   ► that's on the one hand though you've got [TS]

◼   ► somebody in there who clearly i mean [TS]

◼   ► setting aside all the narcissism and all [TS]

◼   ► that kind of stuff but it's somebody who [TS]

◼   ► clearly does not like the actual the [TS]

◼   ► real stuff that has made America great [TS]

◼   ► and has no respect for the agreed upon [TS]

◼   ► lies that made America pretty good he [TS]

◼   ► just doesn't care he's fine to burn it [TS]

◼   ► all down I'm even gonna set aside the [TS]

◼   ► mental stuff for now but just even just [TS]

◼   ► the ability to like as they say you know [TS]

◼   ► he's gonna be persuaded by the last you [TS]

◼   ► know general that he talked to as far as [TS]

◼   ► what he thinks from now on that's not [TS]

◼   ► bad enough like I actually think we [TS]

◼   ► could survive that fine if the check on [TS]

◼   ► that should be people who know better in [TS]

◼   ► Congress never side you're on and the [TS]

◼   ► fact that this is I mean I understand [TS]

◼   ► the whole basis of there's a reason they [TS]

◼   ► call it politics it's not Paul a friend [TS]

◼   ► like I get that but like there's just [TS]

◼   ► there's something so upsetting to me [TS]

◼   ► about how you brought to you in part by [TS]

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◼   ► the great shows you know you just keep [TS]

◼   ► hoping you know you guys you know what [TS]

◼   ► is it I posted up I posted a really cool [TS]

◼   ► painting of Cthulhu the other day with [TS]

◼   ► two guys in a rowboat running away from [TS]

◼   ► it and the New Yorker stock caption I [TS]

◼   ► gave to it was well that's not diagnosed [TS]

◼   ► from a distance it's like how how how [TS]

◼   ► far is it gonna go before we say this is [TS]

◼   ► I mean is it gives it gives it the worst [TS]

◼   ► thing that keeps us all up but is it [TS]

◼   ► gonna be little Rocket Man shooting at [TS]

◼   ► us what's it gonna be before people go [TS]

◼   ► dude you got a fucking toilet down like [TS]

◼   ► you've got away please learn to pretend [TS]

◼   ► like you're the fucking president and [TS]

◼   ► like whoo there's just nobody doing that [TS]

◼   ► and and that and so I guess what I'm [TS]

◼   ► trying to say is it like I am NOT here [TS]

◼   ► to whitewash and I choose that word [TS]

◼   ► carefully whitewash over the very [TS]

◼   ► problematic history of the United States [TS]

◼   ► but like there is us there is a self [TS]

◼   ► fixing nature to America that takes a [TS]

◼   ► long time that I do believe in I don't [TS]

◼   ► know if I'm always right but I do at [TS]

◼   ► least believe in that it's just that I [TS]

◼   ► don't believe that's happening right now [TS]

◼   ► and just even just look at the EPA [TS]

◼   ► people are saying it might take 30 years [TS]

◼   ► to undo what's already happened to the [TS]

◼   ► EPA there's stuff like that that is just [TS]

◼   ► like at a time when everything's just [TS]

◼   ► the environment is just crumbling and [TS]

◼   ► the numbers are there for all of this [TS]

◼   ► stuff and nobody's standing up I'm sorry [TS]

◼   ► I'm just screaming into the wind that's [TS]

◼   ► like it's so maddening to me that there [TS]

◼   ► are not the everybo keeps talk about the [TS]

◼   ► grown-ups in the room well you know you [TS]

◼   ► got 100 grown-ups over here and over 400 [TS]

◼   ► on this other side like why why aren't [TS]

◼   ► they being the grown-ups why aren't they [TS]

◼   ► it's because well some of them some of [TS]

◼   ► them benefit greatly by being able to [TS]

◼   ► not get this guy mad at them on the [TS]

◼   ► internet and then there are other people [TS]

◼   ► I guess they just they just don't have [TS]

◼   ► the political will or votes to be able [TS]

◼   ► to do anything of substance but like [TS]

◼   ► seriously like what does it gonna take [TS]

◼   ► you know to get anywhere to with near [TS]

◼   ► back to where we could be to just even [TS]

◼   ► even get back there's stuff that is as [TS]

◼   ► bad as the 50s and 60s right now [TS]

◼   ► happening that's like we lost like 50 [TS]

◼   ► years somewhere the thing is that all [TS]

◼   ► any of us have is the news and and one [TS]

◼   ► of the things that we always said about [TS]

◼   ► the Internet from the very beginning was [TS]

◼   ► that I mean and this was all this was [TS]

◼   ► often talked about as a strength in the [TS]

◼   ► early days you would be able to tailor [TS]

◼   ► your news feed so that it fit your [TS]

◼   ► interests you have met your interests [TS]

◼   ► and now we are living in a world where [TS]

◼   ► you can tailor your news feed and [TS]

◼   ► everybody's watching their own [TS]

◼   ► individual news feed and the one that [TS]

◼   ► that people like us are watching is in [TS]

◼   ► full-on panic mode all the time and so [TS]

◼   ► it looks like a doomsday scenario that [TS]

◼   ► isn't an accurate picture right this [TS]

◼   ► whole like the EPA or the the damage to [TS]

◼   ► the environment is going to take 30 [TS]

◼   ► years to correct well no it's it's it [TS]

◼   ► depends on how you read what's going on [TS]

◼   ► like there is damage being done yes but [TS]

◼   ► there has been there have been a lot of [TS]

◼   ► improvements the the damage even during [TS]

◼   ► the Obama administration we were still [TS]

◼   ► doing a ton of damage it's not like we [TS]

◼   ► went from from Avatar to [TS]

◼   ► to Bladerunner in two weeks and then [TS]

◼   ► we'll never get back to avatar like it's [TS]

◼   ► a continuum and and progress is being [TS]

◼   ► made so on the one hand I just I always [TS]

◼   ► caution like you get into a new cycle [TS]

◼   ► and it news is built on creating panic [TS]

◼   ► and [TS]

◼   ► and [TS]

◼   ► people mm-hmm it's very very hard to [TS]

◼   ► take one big step back and not be in a [TS]

◼   ► state of panic because in fact panicking [TS]

◼   ► feels like action you know it feels like [TS]

◼   ► you're engaged it feels like you're [TS]

◼   ► doing something to be in a state of like [TS]

◼   ► anxious like but like anxious stress all [TS]

◼   ► the time yeah but like my I do believe [TS]

◼   ► that with Trump there there is no [TS]

◼   ► putting that genie back into the bottle [TS]

◼   ► like something has changed like [TS]

◼   ► irrevocably but what Trump and the [TS]

◼   ► Congress are I think is a product of [TS]

◼   ► basically 50 years of ground game that [TS]

◼   ► the Conservatives have been playing that [TS]

◼   ► the Liberals have failed at and it [TS]

◼   ► partly it is in the nature of the two [TS]

◼   ► animals like liberalism thinks of itself [TS]

◼   ► as an over arching worldview that we are [TS]

◼   ► the people that believe in the [TS]

◼   ► philosopher-king we believe in the idea [TS]

◼   ► that if people are educated they will [TS]

◼   ► make good choices and that we need to [TS]

◼   ► bring education to places if people only [TS]

◼   ► were educated if they could only see [TS]

◼   ► then they would naturally be liberals [TS]

◼   ► and so that's been our focus for ever [TS]

◼   ► since the civil rights movement we need [TS]

◼   ► to for instance busing is an example of [TS]

◼   ► a program where we just wanted people to [TS]

◼   ► to interact with each other we were we [TS]

◼   ► were attempting to combat the the kind [TS]

◼   ► of the separatism of the races bite like [TS]

◼   ► almost force wedging them together and [TS]

◼   ► this was based on an idealistic [TS]

◼   ► that we could educate people by showing [TS]

◼   ► them and that that was going to create [TS]

◼   ► this world and on the right they had a [TS]

◼   ► very much more pragmatic approach to [TS]

◼   ► American politics which was they said [TS]

◼   ► we're going to get people elected to the [TS]

◼   ► local school board and to the County [TS]

◼   ► Council and once we get somebody in [TS]

◼   ► there then we're going to Gerry manned [TS]

◼   ► the districts so that the district okay [TS]

◼   ► once you get into the tree house we're [TS]

◼   ► gonna pull up the ladder that's right [TS]

◼   ► we're gonna draw the line now so that [TS]

◼   ► this district and no longer includes any [TS]

◼   ► black neighborhoods and the district is [TS]

◼   ► going to look like a like a paint [TS]

◼   ► splotch but that doesn't matter because [TS]

◼   ► we're not trying to create a world of [TS]

◼   ► egalitarianism we're not trying to work [TS]

◼   ► according to a premise that all people [TS]

◼   ► aspire to their highest selves we're [TS]

◼   ► trying to get political power in the [TS]

◼   ► Congress and we're gonna do that [TS]

◼   ► methodically we're gonna do that with a [TS]

◼   ► kind of military like strategy and when [TS]

◼   ► people were getting you know this is 25 [TS]

◼   ► years ago we started talking about like [TS]

◼   ► wait a minute all these school boards [TS]

◼   ► are denying evolution who are these [TS]

◼   ► ding-a-lings but from the leftist [TS]

◼   ► perspective we were like well that's [TS]

◼   ► just some small-town dumb little [TS]

◼   ► Oklahoma problem and evolution is a [TS]

◼   ► widely accepted theory any smart person [TS]

◼   ► believes in it and so we're not gonna [TS]

◼   ► worry about it we're not gonna go try [TS]

◼   ► and put our own people on those school [TS]

◼   ► boards we're going to assume that things [TS]

◼   ► are you know that that our higher selves [TS]

◼   ► will win and now we're living in a world [TS]

◼   ► where the the Congress is not made up of [TS]

◼   ► people who you know who went to college [TS]

◼   ► started a successful business had an [TS]

◼   ► altruistic [TS]

◼   ► sense of American political process [TS]

◼   ► fought in the good war you know and go [TS]

◼   ► to go to Washington trying to make a [TS]

◼   ► difference we're looking at a Congress [TS]

◼   ► that is full of people that were [TS]

◼   ► strategically sent there to accomplish a [TS]

◼   ► pretty narrow mission which is basically [TS]

◼   ► hamstrung the government limit its power [TS]

◼   ► and return the right to decide whether [TS]

◼   ► evolution is true or not to the local [TS]

◼   ► school board which we've already stacked [TS]

◼   ► with people and that's the that has been [TS]

◼   ► the Republican game for 50 years and [TS]

◼   ► they it's just it's just a strategy and [TS]

◼   ► on the Left we considered ourselves [TS]

◼   ► above that kind of of like college [TS]

◼   ► football like ground game and we had [TS]

◼   ► none our ground game was all devoted to [TS]

◼   ► [Music] [TS]

◼   ► to to again this this basically long [TS]

◼   ► history premise which is the more [TS]

◼   ► educated people are the more affluent [TS]

◼   ► they are and educated they are the more [TS]

◼   ► they will take an interest in civics the [TS]

◼   ► more they will as you were saying you [TS]

◼   ► know once you have a complex idea you [TS]

◼   ► very seldom go back to a simple one [TS]

◼   ► but what we didn't understand was you [TS]

◼   ► can't just go in someplace hand them a [TS]

◼   ► complex idea handsome kid a complex idea [TS]

◼   ► and all of a sudden that idea Trump's [TS]

◼   ► his parents and his grandparents and his [TS]

◼   ► church yeah yeah yeah so anyway we've [TS]

◼   ► done a very bad job of playing football [TS]

◼   ► and the political situation we're in [TS]

◼   ► right now is is a product of that and I [TS]

◼   ► think that and the Republicans have done [TS]

◼   ► or the I'm sorry the conservative side [TS]

◼   ► of the country has done a very good job [TS]

◼   ► of characterizing us as shrill out of [TS]

◼   ► touch because because every time we've [TS]

◼   ► advanced a really great fairy we also [TS]

◼   ► it's very easy to pick and choose among [TS]

◼   ► the theories promulgated by the left and [TS]

◼   ► find one that seems bonkers to a [TS]

◼   ► church-going person in Ohio mm-hmm and [TS]

◼   ► then all you have to do is put that on [TS]

◼   ► your brochure and say look what the [TS]

◼   ► Liberals want us to do you know they [TS]

◼   ► believe that they believe that all kids [TS]

◼   ► should have sex change operations it's [TS]

◼   ► like what's what where did you get that [TS]

◼   ► you know but that but there are a lot of [TS]

◼   ► grandmother's in Ohio that that's all [TS]

◼   ► they need to hear yeah so how do we get [TS]

◼   ► our ground game back I don't think that [TS]

◼   ► it's in the nature of liberals to have a [TS]

◼   ► ground game because we're because we [TS]

◼   ► that's not how we think but weird we [TS]

◼   ► have to acknowledge that we're losing in [TS]

◼   ► a battle between like you know in a [TS]

◼   ► battle between a team that has a ground [TS]

◼   ► game we're not doing a good job of [TS]

◼   ► convincing and I don't know how to [TS]

◼   ► improve on that I don't know how to how [TS]

◼   ► to get Neil deGrasse Tyson out to the [TS]

◼   ► world and and I don't think that an [TS]

◼   ► Oprah presidency is the way but like I [TS]

◼   ► do like how many women are running for [TS]

◼   ► office oh it's fantastic Seattle has our [TS]

◼   ► first female mayor in a hundred years [TS]

◼   ► basically yeah I mean I could just think [TS]

◼   ► of half a dozen reasons why that is a [TS]

◼   ► good and encouraging sign even in [TS]

◼   ► conservative places I mean you can't you [TS]

◼   ► can't argue with [TS]

◼   ► female legislators I think they [TS]

◼   ► particularly in Congress I think a [TS]

◼   ► majority female Congress would be such a [TS]

◼   ► different animal oh my god yeah [TS]

◼   ► wouldn't matter whether they were all [TS]

◼   ► Anita Bryant's I think you would see I [TS]

◼   ► think you would see a justice just a [TS]

◼   ► different mentality yeah but I don't I [TS]

◼   ► don't know what to I don't know what the [TS]

◼   ► antidote to the present moment and the [TS]

◼   ► feeling that we are on the constant [TS]

◼   ► verge of war famine catastrophe signing [TS]

◼   ► our government for three weeks at a time [TS]

◼   ► I mean that's it's it's insane but you [TS]

◼   ► know again it's not unprecedented and as [TS]

◼   ► you were saying it's not just in 68 in [TS]

◼   ► 72 in 1972 George Wallace ran for the US [TS]

◼   ► presidency on a recent like a struggling [TS]

◼   ► like a racism but I mean you see I've [TS]

◼   ► been silvered through the 90s Strom [TS]

◼   ► Thurmond right it's bananas right I mean [TS]

◼   ► there's there's there have there have [TS]

◼   ► been crazy crazy crazy times before and [TS]

◼   ► I mean obviously like I was talking to [TS]

◼   ► somebody the other day like movies in [TS]

◼   ► the future who want to cast someone in [TS]

◼   ► the role of the President of the United [TS]

◼   ► States what are they gonna do now like [TS]

◼   ► it used to be that if you wanted the [TS]

◼   ► president even if it was like a science [TS]

◼   ► fiction movie or a future movie he found [TS]

◼   ► someone that seemed serious and now how [TS]

◼   ► do you cast the president it could be it [TS]

◼   ► could be Bobcat Goldthwait ghost like [TS]

◼   ► you could have anybody straight so that [TS]

◼   ► definitely is like a that's a trip but I [TS]

◼   ► I mean every time I every time I see a [TS]

◼   ► bunch of young lawyers sitting [TS]

◼   ► indian-style on the floor at an [TS]

◼   ► immigration building like frantically [TS]

◼   ► doing pro bono work to file injunctions [TS]

◼   ► I'm reminded that this is a fucking [TS]

◼   ► great country [TS]

◼   ► oh yeah look at what happened the at the [TS]

◼   ► airports when the travel ban came down [TS]

◼   ► yeah I mean that's as horrible as [TS]

◼   ► everybody felt about that that was that [TS]

◼   ► was an amazing moment that hadn't [TS]

◼   ► happened [TS]

◼   ► imagine if the presence of that kind of [TS]

◼   ► pushback had not been in evidence at [TS]

◼   ► that time where we might even be now [TS]

◼   ► well and that if it hadn't happened [TS]

◼   ► that's where you look at your country [TS]

◼   ► and say this this place is full of decay [TS]

◼   ► and rot but it did happen and you and [TS]

◼   ► then you're able to say like I have [TS]

◼   ► faith in this I have faith in in who we [TS]

◼   ► are and what we're doing I need to not [TS]

◼   ► be sad we went to see um you know an [TS]

◼   ► okay movie who is not a fantastic movie [TS]

◼   ► although it's a movie my daughter has [TS]

◼   ► now declared it was definitely her [TS]

◼   ► favorite musical and might be here [TS]

◼   ► all-time favorite movie which is the [TS]

◼   ► greatest showmen starring wolverine and [TS]

◼   ► it's the very very heavily fictionalized [TS]

◼   ► story of PT Barnum but long story short [TS]

◼   ► one of the kind of goofy narratives in [TS]

◼   ► this is like how good he was in some [TS]

◼   ► ways too like kooky Barnum yeah giving [TS]

◼   ► like humanity to his oddities and like [TS]

◼   ► how they made this family out of the [TS]

◼   ► bearded lady and General Tom Thumb and [TS]

◼   ► and I swear to god this is an actual [TS]

◼   ► thing that happened that made me feel so [TS]

◼   ► good and I don't know I can't tell she's [TS]

◼   ► just doing this to make me feel good but [TS]

◼   ► there's this moment where like they're [TS]

◼   ► they so they're outside the Barnum [TS]

◼   ► theater and they're being confronted and [TS]

◼   ► like menaced it's like something out of [TS]

◼   ► x-men it's all these little you know all [TS]

◼   ► these local hoods with Donegal caps in [TS]

◼   ► dirt on their face I'll kick their ass [TS]

◼   ► for being creaks and it's like a shot of [TS]

◼   ► like bearded lady Chang and Eng bunker [TS]

◼   ► or the Siamese twins it's you know it's [TS]

◼   ► in the bearded lady and then it's like [TS]

◼   ► Zac Efron and zendaya the the beautiful [TS]

◼   ► slender actress and and she's kind of [TS]

◼   ► like what what is what is what why is [TS]

◼   ► that a problem and I was like well you [TS]

◼   ► know what do you think she's like I [TS]

◼   ► don't I don't understand because he's [TS]