The Accidental Tech Podcast

259: I Hired Myself


  I have this vision of something that [TS]

  aesthetically looks vaguely like image [TS]

  capture where it's basically like a big [TS]

  table of here's a little preview of the [TS]

  image here's maybe a couple pieces of [TS]

  data about it and then here's where we [TS]

  think it should end up do you want to [TS]

  commit all these changes or like tweak a [TS]

  couple things and then there'll be [TS]

  basically the Big Green Go button [TS]

  that'll actually do it whereas right now [TS]

  it just goes immediately and it's [TS]

  copying it's not moving so in theory [TS]

  it's non-destructive but it would be [TS]

  nice to be able to say oh actually that [TS]

  definitely is not right let's tweak that [TS]

  you know what I mean and so who knows [TS]

  maybe in my copious spare time I'll be [TS]

  able to write my first Mac GUI app we'll [TS]

  see but I'll tell you one thing that is [TS]

  ten thousand times more work than making [TS]

  like the shell script version oh yes [TS]

  like like I I've had similar thoughts [TS]

  about you know I should really like [TS]

  polish up sidetrack and and make a [TS]

  little gooey forest people can like drag [TS]

  in their files and take like which [TS]

  channel should go where and output this [TS]

  the you know undrafted files whatever [TS]

  and it like even that that's just like [TS]

  especially like now I don't know like [TS]

  from forecast and like it's it's so much [TS]

  work it like gooeys are so much harder [TS]

  to make and like and especially like [TS]

  it's one thing if you just want a GUI [TS]

  but if you want a good one [TS]

  that's very differently if you want like [TS]

  a nice Mac app or even like a passably [TS]

  decent Mac app like forecast is not a [TS]

  nice Mac app it's it's at best like an [TS]

  okay passable back app but that's fine [TS]

  you know that's you know that I don't [TS]

  it's not worth investing you know tons [TS]

  and tons of my time into it to make it [TS]

  like a great Mac app you know what [TS]

  you're talking about like that's that's [TS]

  a pretty dramatic increase in the [TS]

  workload for this per 100 percent yeah [TS]

  yeah and especially especially if you [TS]

  don't really need the GUI like this was [TS]

  like sidetrack I don't need the GUI for [TS]

  sidetrack I call it in my in my giant [TS]

  shell scripts that process my site in my [TS]

  podcasts and you know someone like Jason [TS]

  Snell uses it and he I believe he made a [TS]

  automated workflow to use it so he can [TS]

  use it kind of kind of in a graphical [TS]

  way at least but like a lot like I just [TS]

  use it through shell scripts so I don't [TS]

  need it so what like it's one of the [TS]

  things I would love to do it someday but [TS]

  I'm probably never going to because it's [TS]

  probably not worth it you know this is [TS]

  the kind of thing like if you don't need [TS]

  this GUI you're talking about like now [TS]

  taking this nice [TS]

  small but you know script basically that [TS]

  works great for you now you're talking [TS]

  about making into a product basically [TS]

  like you're talking about the amount of [TS]

  work necessary to make it into a product [TS]

  for lots of people and then you have to [TS]

  deal with you know do you want to [TS]

  release that because it once you put in [TS]

  all that much of work you probably might [TS]

  as well release it then it's a big thing [TS]

  then you got to support it or even if [TS]

  it's not even if it's free or even as [TS]

  open-source you still got to deal with [TS]

  people's you know emails and questions [TS]

  and pull requests if it's open source [TS]

  and everything like you it basically [TS]

  dramatically broadens the scope of this [TS]

  project from a shell script that works [TS]

  for you to this product basically yeah [TS]

  and I agree with you I think the thing [TS]

  is though that if even if I GUI if I'd [TS]

  it if you will it would be the world's [TS]

  most ugly user interface because it [TS]

  would be intended just for me and at [TS]

  most I suspect I would open-source it [TS]

  like I'm not saying I'm going to but I'm [TS]

  saying with this hypothetical GUI on top [TS]

  of it maybe I would open-source it but I [TS]

  don't think I would ever like properly [TS]

  release it but to that end you're still [TS]

  right like I would then feel guilty [TS]

  about ignoring all the pull requests [TS]

  that I would end up ignoring and I would [TS]

  be I would feel guilty about ignoring [TS]

  all the issues I'd be ignoring no matter [TS]

  how much I said this is really made just [TS]

  for me and it's not intended for anyone [TS]

  else to use it inevitably somebody else [TS]

  would be like oh I should use this but [TS]

  now I want something new you know and or [TS]

  it didn't work on this one file right [TS]

  exactly exactly so this is why I don't [TS]

  mean this in like a I don't mean to be [TS]

  like an antagonist I don't mean to be [TS]

  antagonistic about it just these are all [TS]

  the reasons why I don't plan to release [TS]

  it because no matter how much I caveat [TS]

  no matter how much I say look this was [TS]

  written just for me this code I know [TS]

  it's garbage but I was it was quick and [TS]

  dirty just get it to work like no matter [TS]

  how much you say that nobody ever really [TS]

  and truly understands it and so it's [TS]

  just a it's just a waste of time to [TS]

  release this in any capacity even with a [TS]

  GUI but and the plus side though that [TS]

  means it could be the world's ugliest [TS]

  world's worst GUI and it would be okay [TS]

  because it would be literally just for [TS]

  me like github has changed just a little [TS]

  bit introduced and very important modern [TS]

  developer skill which is the ability to [TS]

  put source code up on [TS]

  on github and your under your github [TS]

  account and then feel zero guilts for [TS]

  ignoring it for the only reason you're [TS]

  putting it there is to have a convenient [TS]

  storage place so when you need to get [TS]

  that shell script on some new Mac that [TS]

  you're setting up for we're like [TS]

  basically using github as hosting and as [TS]

  version control for yourself and hosting [TS]

  for yourself and with no intention of [TS]

  ever looking at the issues or ever [TS]

  answering anyone's questions about [TS]

  anything or caring how many people [TS]

  forked or like because I see a lot of [TS]

  that people have personal projects in [TS]

  github that it's so clear that they're [TS]

  just using it as like their their git [TS]

  remote and communion hosting that's it [TS]

  and I'm maybe you you know you said [TS]

  you'd feel guilty about or whatever but [TS]

  like I think that getting over that and [TS]

  eventually getting the discipline to [TS]

  reframe the problem in that way can be [TS]

  slightly freeing because I think there [TS]

  is a benefit to not to having that [TS]

  source code like someplace else and to [TS]

  have it hosted even just as a single [TS]

  user I mean I go you can just make it [TS]

  private like a why even make a puzzle [TS]

  you could have and make a prep but this [TS]

  I know this goes against what I just [TS]

  said but every once in a while someone [TS]

  will do a convenient pull request or [TS]

  find a bug and you can just click a [TS]

  button and accept their thing and your [TS]

  program got better and you didn't have [TS]

  to do anything [TS]

  it may be super rare that that happens [TS]

  maybe it's once every three years but [TS]

  you know I don't know I I just feel like [TS]

  that's a that's a good thing to be able [TS]

  to do because I feel bad about all like [TS]

  because every we all have like piles of [TS]

  crap code like on our local computers [TS]

  for various purposes and I feel bad [TS]

  about all that I somehow I think I'd [TS]

  feel better if that crap code was like [TS]

  up on a public github page for some poor [TS]

  person to stumble across and do with [TS]

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  [Music] [TS]

  it's time to return to Marcos vinyl [TS]

  corner oh no I forgot I forgot my own [TS]

  joke mark was vinyl Ark so in the last [TS]

  episode of Marcos vinyl Ark where I was [TS]

  discussing you know getting this [TS]

  turntable and enjoying it and he just [TS]

  needed one more turntable and you will [TS]

  finally arrived Oh cuz I have a [TS]

  microphone you may be oversubscribed in [TS]

  the microphone Department yeah anyway [TS]

  part of might be appeal what I like [TS]

  about it is that it is kind of the anti [TS]

  technology that it you just like you put [TS]

  on you manually take your hands you put [TS]

  a piece of physical media on a player [TS]

  that plays it in almost the most basic [TS]

  analog way possible like it's it's [TS]

  ridiculous how [TS]

  basic this technology really is at [TS]

  Hardin and how little it's really doing [TS]

  and so and I really enjoyed you know not [TS]

  only like the anti tech part of it of [TS]

  just like being so simple and not [TS]

  relying on things like crappy spotty [TS]

  voice assistance not relying on Wi-Fi or [TS]

  people's weird you know Network stuff or [TS]

  you know services or gated communities [TS]

  or whatever else just a single purpose [TS]

  device you put music on to it and it [TS]

  plays and then you get to listen to the [TS]

  music and you don't get to you don't get [TS]

  to like mess with the music you don't [TS]

  get to like skip around super easy or [TS]

  change you know speak of it you know [TS]

  yell a different band name across the [TS]

  room it was no different and before the [TS]

  songs even finished yet like we so often [TS]

  do with the echo like you have to like [TS]

  sit and enjoy it slowly and and that is [TS]

  there's a lot of advantages to that [TS]

  builds character you might say okay but [TS]

  you know as as John rightfully pointed [TS]

  out you know you don't need a vinyl [TS]

  player to do that you know you can you [TS]

  can use like a CD play or an iPod or [TS]

  cassette deck or an eight-track if those [TS]

  still exist like you can use lots of [TS]

  things that can only play music you know [TS]

  it's in the more modern way I didn't [TS]

  want to just buy an iPod because a that [TS]

  that introduces too much choice again [TS]

  because then it's like okay now like [TS]

  part of it part of what I like about the [TS]

  vinyl situation is that it forces me to [TS]

  really narrow down what albums I [TS]

  actually want to buy like what albums [TS]

  are good enough that I actually want [TS]

  this giant square sitting in a bookshelf [TS]

  indefinitely yeah so so that's you know [TS]

  that's that's one angle and also when I [TS]

  when I when I want to place music it's [TS]

  nice to have restricted choice when you [TS]

  have like a cylinder you can speak into [TS]

  and you can just name anything in all of [TS]

  music and it will start playing that's [TS]

  act you know that's nice in certain [TS]

  contexts you know it's nice to be able [TS]

  to just call up any song if you if you [TS]

  want to hear it but if you just want to [TS]

  like put something on in the background [TS]

  or put something on to like listen to to [TS]

  you know chill out on the couch for a [TS]

  while or something I find that I'm [TS]

  almost paralyzed by the choice of that [TS]

  and and I often will just call up the [TS]

  same things over and over [TS]

  because I just can't think of anything [TS]

  else you know off the top of my head you [TS]

  know I don't have that kind of whatever [TS]

  kind of like creativity of the mind lets [TS]

  people like you know call things up or [TS]

  create new ideas out of nothing I've [TS]

  never really had that like I need like a [TS]

  prompt you know I I joked on the show a [TS]

  long time ago that I'm not a salad power [TS]

  user weren't you when you go to it like [TS]

  one of those Trinity salad places and [TS]

  like I want a list of presets and I get [TS]

  to choose from the presets and maybe do [TS]

  some like customization from the salad [TS]

  but I really like I just want presets to [TS]

  choose from and so one thing I like also [TS]

  about the final situation is that when I [TS]

  want to go play something I can look [TS]

  through the like you know roughly I [TS]

  think I have about 20 albums now I can [TS]

  look through like the 20 albums and and [TS]

  just say look these are one let's do [TS]

  right now by Nature they're it's all [TS]

  stuff I like you know because we bought [TS]

  them so like it's not like I don't have [TS]

  to look through every artist ever in the [TS]

  history of the world I can I'm already [TS]

  looking at stuff I like and I'd be fine [TS]

  putting them pretty much any of them and [TS]

  you know I'll see what I'm like oh yeah [TS]

  let's put on that one but I wouldn't [TS]

  have thought to call it up if I if I [TS]

  were just given a prompt by voice and I [TS]

  go what do you want to listen to I don't [TS]

  know so that part's nice as well the [TS]

  system is gonna fall apart when you've [TS]

  purchased your first 7,000 albums have a [TS]

  section of your stacks and stacks of [TS]

  them and now you've just recreated your [TS]

  iPod in physical form right okay so [TS]

  anyway the thing like you know remember [TS]

  record collections when we were when I [TS]

  was a kid and maybe you remembered well [TS]

  like people would fill their houses with [TS]

  these things yeah my dad has one yeah in [TS]

  fact we we actually we didn't in my in [TS]

  my house growing up we had our upstairs [TS]

  was it was just like the the three [TS]

  bedrooms in the bathroom arranged like [TS]

  basically in a giant square with like a [TS]

  little tiny like hexagonal hallway in [TS]

  the middle that it wasn't even like a [TS]

  long hallway it was like a little like [TS]

  hexagonal landing basically with like a [TS]

  door to each of the rooms and that's it [TS]

  and there was nowhere in the house where [TS]

  my mom could store her massive record [TS]

  collection so in that tiny little [TS]

  hallway were just like for like like [TS]

  milk crate type baskets filled with [TS]

  records and so basically my entire [TS]

  childhood growing up I would all the [TS]

  time [TS]

  stub my toe on these giant boxes of [TS]

  vinyl that were sitting in in the [TS]

  hallway to our house that I walked [TS]

  through constantly it was like squeeze [TS]

  between two of them to walk into [TS]

  door in my bedroom like yeah big pain in [TS]

  the butt anyway [TS]

  I'm really enjoying the vinyl however [TS]

  there are a couple of limitations [TS]

  obviously one of them as John mentioned [TS]

  before is that you get like five minutes [TS]

  of play time before it flip it over [TS]

  especially on these new audiophile [TS]

  masters where they take a right they [TS]

  take like one album that's on if it's on [TS]

  CD it's on one CD but if it's on vinyl [TS]

  they split it onto four sides like - two [TS]

  discs four sides each one with like [TS]

  three songs at best so that's kind of a [TS]

  pain and and that that isn't even for [TS]

  length reasons like there's these giant [TS]

  black gaps in the middle of anyway so [TS]

  that's that's a minor pain but one of [TS]

  the more you know glaring limitations of [TS]

  this is that this only works for albums [TS]

  that are available on vinyl and not [TS]

  everything and not even just fished not [TS]

  everything is available on vinyl that I [TS]

  want to listen to in this fashion [TS]

  I would like something that I can just [TS]

  you know take some kind of physical [TS]

  media that it can be in some kind of [TS]

  small collection like what I have with [TS]

  it with the records and put it into a [TS]

  player and have it just start playing [TS]

  and to remove all the abilities I have [TS]

  with you know a voice assistant whose [TS]

  yell across the room to have a change to [TS]

  make it not that easy to even like skip [TS]

  a song because I actually kind of like [TS]

  being forced to listen to all the songs [TS]

  that I mentioned last time like I've [TS]

  always been a full album listener like I [TS]

  don't I don't I don't use shuffle or [TS]

  anything we always listen to fill out [TS]

  obviously one thing I could do is just [TS]

  get a CD player and just get CDs cuz CDs [TS]

  cost nothing like if you go on Amazon [TS]

  and look to buy used CDs any album you [TS]

  want you can buy in a used CD for like [TS]

  50 cents plus $4 shipping so I think [TS]

  they basically cost nothing and I also [TS]

  put I also thought like you know there's [TS]

  I also kind of want the ability to make [TS]

  my own like maybe certain albums that [TS]

  aren't even available on CD or like [TS]

  certain like fish shows I want to like [TS]

  have a whole show or so you know or like [TS]

  a band like the Beatles where I like a [TS]

  lot of Beatles songs but I don't like [TS]

  any of their albums well enough to play [TS]

  them straight through or things like the [TS]

  the two Glee Mountains by The Avett [TS]

  Brothers [TS]

  they're both EPS I would like to have [TS]

  that be one [TS]

  long CD that's the length of an album [TS]

  because they're really good but you know [TS]

  it's two very short EPS so anyway so I [TS]

  wanted some degree of customizability [TS]

  physical media and a way to play it [TS]

  where I could literally just put it in [TS]

  not navigate any menus of anything not [TS]

  even have like the TV on in living room [TS]

  just put it in and it can start playing [TS]

  and I can walk away [TS]

  so again CDs I think are the most [TS]

  obvious solution to this these days any [TS]

  CD player that you can find that's at [TS]

  all reasonable will also be able to play [TS]

  mp3 CDs and so that that blows through [TS]

  any kind of length limit you might be [TS]

  worried about with single discs the [TS]

  downside of CDs is that then I would [TS]

  have to have a CD burner on my computer [TS]

  all the time like I have to like get out [TS]

  a CD burner out of my closet and like [TS]

  plug it in and deal with that whenever I [TS]

  wanted to create a new one of these so I [TS]

  want to see if I could do better in the [TS]

  last segment that we talked about this a [TS]

  few weeks ago I jokingly said why don't [TS]

  I just get something that can play songs [TS]

  off of an SD card wouldn't it be cool to [TS]

  have like a little box full of SD cards [TS]

  because and you can make them like tiny [TS]

  little record albums like you could and [TS]

  I and so basically I decided [TS]

  let me try to actually make something [TS]

  that does this there's this entire world [TS]

  out there that I have not yet taken part [TS]

  in of really small really inexpensive [TS]

  hobbyist computer gear led by things [TS]

  like the Arduino and Raspberry Pi [TS]

  projects and the the more basic stuff [TS]

  like the Arduino base stuff I haven't [TS]

  used any of it before but like once you [TS]

  get into things like wiring things on [TS]

  bread boards this is beyond my level of [TS]

  expertise and and my level of interest [TS]

  honestly I don't really want to get into [TS]

  the hardware manipulation side of things [TS]

  for the most part like anything that [TS]

  involves like you know putting resistors [TS]

  on soldering anything or using you know [TS]

  little does a little waffle board [TS]

  breadboard things like I don't that's [TS]

  not for me right now [TS]

  the Raspberry Pi on the other hand has a [TS]

  bunch of really interesting stuff that [TS]

  until I started looking at this I really [TS]

  didn't realize quite how much stuff [TS]

  there was quite how easy it was to use [TS]

  and quite how little at all cost okay [TS]

  again like I mentioned before like in [TS]

  the Apple ecosystem it's kind of like if [TS]

  we spend too much time in Apple world [TS]

  it's easy to to miss or to not be aware [TS]

  of quite how cheap everything else is [TS]

  everywhere else like what you can get [TS]

  for like under $50 for almost any type [TS]

  of category that's not by Apple like [TS]

  it's it's pretty remarkable so I decided [TS]

  I'm gonna get a Raspberry Pi and I'm [TS]

  gonna try to build an SD card audio [TS]

  player I ordered the Raspberry Pi I got [TS]

  like the I mean and they're seconds [TS]

  there's tons of different ones the [TS]

  smallest one is like 10 dollars like [TS]

  it's it's ridiculous what you can get I [TS]

  got like the the kind of regular one [TS]

  which the board is about I think $35 and [TS]

  I got a little plastic case for if like [TS]

  another ten and a little USB power [TS]

  supply for another you know five or ten [TS]

  or whatever and it's just a Linux [TS]

  computer like it's a little tiny Linux [TS]

  computer with a remarkable amount of [TS]

  hardware and power like it had for as [TS]

  for USB ports HDMI out audio out and [TS]

  like in composite video if you need that [TS]

  for some reason and Wi-Fi and Ethernet [TS]

  all of that and one gig of ram and a [TS]

  pretty decent ARM processor all with a [TS]

  with an SD card that came with it in [TS]

  this bundle package with a micro SD card [TS]

  that you know has a pre-loaded [TS]

  installation of raspbian it's like yeah [TS]

  it's like the the debian variant I think [TS]

  of for Raspberry Pi you plug it in and [TS]

  like I floated this little tiny HDMI [TS]

  monitor I got for my video my fail a [TS]

  video career and you plug it you plug in [TS]

  any keyboard mouse an HDMI monitor and [TS]

  it it comes pre-configured like the SD [TS]

  card has like you launch it the first [TS]

  time and it shows you a GUI you can [TS]

  navigate with the mouse you put into it [TS]

  and it's like alright pick your [TS]

  distribution and we'll install it for [TS]

  you [TS]

  and you pick whatever it is you plug [TS]

  into the network and it downloads the [TS]

  distribution with your settings you give [TS]

  it your Wi-Fi password during setup and [TS]

  then it overwrites itself with the [TS]

  distribution that you just picked with [TS]

  the Wi-Fi pre-configured like it's it's [TS]

  shocking like how good this is and how [TS]

  really relatively easy it is to use and [TS]

  then I had a Linux computer that was [TS]

  ready to go and we're with built-in [TS]

  audio built a networking built in USB [TS]

  for me to do whatever I wanted with so I [TS]

  poked around you know one of the things [TS]

  with audio playback that is important to [TS]

  me is gapless playback [TS]

  so I can't just do like a shell script [TS]

  that just like you know calls like [TS]

  something like a terminal thing that [TS]

  just plays audio synchronously and then [TS]

  stops and then goes to the next track [TS]

  I want a gapless playback between tracks [TS]

  because a lot of the album's I listen to [TS]

  our live albums or they have transitions [TS]

  between songs and so a gap between [TS]

  everything is you know just kind of it's [TS]

  jarring and it's kind of you know [TS]

  inelegant and so I want a gapless and it [TS]

  turns out there's this great music [TS]

  player that's been around forever that [TS]

  of course I never knew about because [TS]

  I've been in Apple land called MPD music [TS]

  player daemon and it does gapless like [TS]

  with all with no effort like this stuff [TS]

  like this software is really advanced [TS]

  idea and it the the Raspberry Pi has an [TS]

  SD a microSD slot but that's for its [TS]

  disk you can't really use it for [TS]

  anything else it has to boot off of that [TS]

  so I had to add my own card reader but I [TS]

  had like a drawer full of card readers [TS]

  and it's I made a shell script that [TS]

  would respond to the card being inserted [TS]

  via you dev it copies any audio files [TS]

  off of that card into a temp directory [TS]

  and as it's copying it starts playing [TS]

  the first one so it's fast response to [TS]

  time and then it unmount the card and if [TS]

  you remove the card it stops I gotta say [TS]

  it took not that much effort and it [TS]

  pretty much works and there's a couple [TS]

  of things I did with it that I do want [TS]

  to want to touch on but it's kind of [TS]

  Awesome like I wish I had like it now [TS]

  now I'm just like brainstorming like I [TS]

  wish I had more things that I needed [TS]

  raspberry pies for because I can't [TS]

  believe how good and how easy it is to [TS]

  use this stuff and how cheap it all was [TS]

  like it kind of ignited in me this like [TS]

  this this satisfaction and happiness [TS]

  that like oh my god I just made this [TS]

  awesome little computer do this crazy [TS]

  cool thing that I that I've wanted you [TS]

  know it's similar to you know we [TS]

  mentioned the earlier like the [TS]

  satisfaction of being a programmer me [TS]

  being a but I have a computer solve a [TS]

  problem for you by writing a script or [TS]

  something to do it this this was like [TS]

  the hardware version of that like I [TS]

  wanted a little SD card player to play [TS]

  audio and then in a very simple way and [TS]

  I just made one and it wasn't that hard [TS]

  because I don't know how to use Linux [TS]

  and it like it was really so satisfying [TS]

  and such a fun little project you know [TS]

  we don't get a lot of fun in the Apple [TS]

  world like we got some cool stuff and [TS]

  but like they they're not they're not so [TS]

  big on fun this is just like a fun [TS]

  little thing and it was really nice to [TS]

  do very satisfying and I'm just so [TS]

  thankful to the world of Linux and open [TS]

  source software and these amazing [TS]

  hobbyist things like Raspberry Pi and I [TS]

  even like I even later spend another $30 [TS]

  to upgrade the the audio interface in it [TS]

  with this company called hifiberry that [TS]

  just makes a variety of audio i/o boards [TS]

  that just stick right on top of the [TS]

  Raspberry Pi using the big the big like [TS]

  IO header that's that's on it and they [TS]

  sell their own little cases that are a [TS]

  little bit taller that fit it it's [TS]

  amazing and so I made this awesome [TS]

  player now there are certain things that [TS]

  didn't go so well [TS]

  the the idea of automatically detecting [TS]

  an SD card being inserted or removed [TS]

  does indeed work from you dev but [TS]

  doesn't work all the time it's it [TS]

  occasionally it doesn't it gets into a [TS]

  state where it stops sending add and [TS]

  remove events it only sends change [TS]

  events so I have I have a little bit of [TS]

  a tweak that I need to do there that [TS]

  also seems to vary with which card [TS]

  reader I'm using one of them seems to [TS]

  work more reliable than the others in [TS]

  this regard so I'm just sticking with [TS]

  that one it's fine also the I guess [TS]

  that's where the only major problem oh [TS]

  the other problem is like I assumed that [TS]

  it would be really easy to like go on [TS]

  eBay and buy large lots of used low [TS]

  capacity SD cards for very little money [TS]

  because you know if you have like it's a [TS]

  copy over an album for or even even if [TS]

  you encode it with like a lakh or some [TS]

  kind of like large or you know flack so [TS]

  we had a large codec that's the only [TS]

  gonna be like three hundred Meg's maybe [TS]

  and so if you have like a car that's a [TS]

  gig or a 512 Meg's that's enough for [TS]

  this purpose like you don't need larger [TS]

  cards than that so I assumed it'd be [TS]

  really easy to just go online and get [TS]

  like you know lots of used one gig SD [TS]

  cards for like a dollar each or [TS]

  something or less it turns out it's not [TS]

  so easy I don't know where these all are [TS]

  but they're not being sold very very [TS]

  often so the best I could do is there's [TS]

  a couple of vendors that sell ten pack [TS]

  of 16-gig cheap cards for about $5 each [TS]

  that's insane [TS]

  oh my gosh that's cheap yeah exactly I [TS]

  understand it's more than you need like [TS]

  I totally get what you're driving at but [TS]

  man that's cheap 16 gigs and you're [TS]

  gonna put an albums worth of mp3 cards I [TS]

  can't find smaller cards or at least or [TS]

  like the smaller ones are also $5 each [TS]

  so it's like well I might as well get [TS]

  the 60 gig for the same price I I [TS]

  continue to think that you need to take [TS]

  this one step farther and put all of [TS]

  your music on the internal very large SD [TS]

  card that's part of the Raspberry Pi and [TS]

  have the thing that you insert basically [TS]

  be an amiibo like it's a series of these [TS]

  little chips they don't even have to [TS]

  have electronics in them they just need [TS]

  to have some sort of little code that [TS]

  says please play this track that you [TS]

  already have on your internal SD card [TS]

  that's what you need [TS]

  well I bring certain other options so [TS]

  you know one option would be like I [TS]

  think one of the coolest options would [TS]

  be you get one of the little camera [TS]

  modules for it and you just show it like [TS]

  a little card I'll show it your album [TS]

  hold up the vinyl album to it but you [TS]

  know a lot of things or things that [TS]

  aren't available on final so I'm [TS]

  thinking like you know you basically get [TS]

  like a little like had like a little [TS]

  like card file of like index cards [TS]

  nergis like printed album art I just [TS]

  hold it up and have it recognize it [TS]

  oh wait I've got an idea how about you [TS]

  just hook up a microphone then you could [TS]

  say what song you wanted to play and it [TS]

  would play it Wow [TS]

  oh did I ruin it yep a little bit yeah [TS]

  good hobby thing would like I just keep [TS]

  thinking of these little cards little [TS]

  cards I feel like you should maybe get [TS]

  some of that spray the Nintendo uses for [TS]

  the switch cartridges I'm not sure like [TS]

  no small children in your house eat your [TS]

  music and just think of what else you [TS]

  could do with that spray I mean I know [TS]

  hops isn't a cure but you know no he's [TS]

  not also and so and I also considered [TS]

  others so one thing I considered when I [TS]

  was battling you dev for reliability and [TS]

  I was thinking like oh hey maybe you [TS]

  know that if the problem is that the SD [TS]

  card readers aren't reliably telling you [TS]

  to have sometimes when things are added [TS]

  and removed maybe the solution is to [TS]

  either use compact flash cards which I [TS]

  didn't I didn't go down that path at [TS]

  least not yet and because eventually [TS]

  you'd have calmed down [TS]

  but I also thought like what about cheap [TS]

  little USB sticks like you know your [TS]

  thumb drives and because those are their [TS]

  own USB complete USB devices so they [TS]

  should be more reliable at telling the [TS]

  system but then you have to try to put [TS]

  them in three times every time you want [TS]

  exactly yeah that's that's one and also [TS]

  they're just kind of ugly and clunky but [TS]

  I did look and they have about the same [TS]

  pricing you can get like the those kind [TS]

  that you get at every conference ever [TS]

  they have like the big flip around metal [TS]

  cover like they like swivels around the [TS]

  plastic insert like everyone's seen [TS]

  these and you can get them printed with [TS]

  your logo and everything those cost [TS]

  about the same like a few dollars each [TS]

  is roughly where your what those costs [TS]

  like these are fine solutions and it [TS]

  depends on how many of these cards or [TS]

  things I intend to have but they're fun [TS]

  you know it's I'm probably not going to [TS]

  do a whole lot the other downside I [TS]

  found with with the SD cards is I had [TS]

  this great image in my mind of like you [TS]

  know having these wonderful like little [TS]

  labels I could that I could print the [TS]

  album art onto a label that fits the SD [TS]

  card and I'd be able to like flick [TS]

  through my little like box of SD cards [TS]

  and be able to look at like tiny little [TS]

  versions of what the record would look [TS]

  like if it was tiny and rectangular and [TS]

  I even got the right size labels it [TS]

  there there are point 75 by one inch and [TS]

  buy and they come in sheets by Avery and [TS]

  they're printable but the print quality [TS]

  on them is so bad like I have an inkjet [TS]

  and a laser and I tried them both and [TS]

  they both look horrendous printing on [TS]

  these and they're really hard to align [TS]

  and oh and also when you put a label on [TS]

  an SD card and then put into SD card [TS]

  reader [TS]

  it doesn't fit as well with the rest of [TS]

  this project I feel like you should hire [TS]

  some sort of artisan who lives in [TS]

  Portland to use a single hairbrush to [TS]

  hand paint to each one of your things [TS]

  onto the SD card yeah like people do [TS]

  these sculptures with with like graphite [TS]

  from a pencil oh yeah absolutely yeah [TS]

  thank and one of those people to do it [TS]

  I'll do it for you anyway this has been [TS]

  a fun project ultimately I think the [TS]

  better solution to all of this is [TS]

  probably just a CD burner so I'm really [TS]

  I'm really glad I did it [TS]

  but and it'll work sometimes but but I [TS]

  think I think a CD burner is actually [TS]

  the better solution to this problem [TS]

  because I can put it right into my [TS]

  blu-ray player and it just starts [TS]

  playing and I don't need to turn the TV [TS]

  on so I I like that problem gets solved [TS]

  that way but the downside is I have to [TS]

  have a CD burner somewhere on my desk [TS]

  see but this is the same thing that I [TS]

  just went through in a much different [TS]

  scale like the easiest answer for me to [TS]

  return that stupid dongle would be to [TS]

  throw it away the second easiest answer [TS]

  would have been to give it to you PS but [TS]

  I wanted to try something different and [TS]

  I'm actually really jealous of this even [TS]

  though I think this is a truly [TS]

  preposterous reason to get into the [TS]

  Raspberry Pi I have been searching for a [TS]

  reason to teach myself what the hell the [TS]

  Raspberry Pi and Arduino are all about [TS]

  and I have yet to come up with a good [TS]

  reason to do it and so in that sense I'm [TS]

  super jealous of what you've done [TS]

  because you now know a whole bunch about [TS]

  this world that I know absolutely [TS]

  nothing about and I want to know about [TS]

  and so I I applaud this well I mean I'll [TS]

  tell you what though I think you're [TS]

  overestimating what what you need to [TS]

  know like I was shocked how little I [TS]

  need to do like the this entire project [TS]

  I've been keeping it basically in one [TS]

  shell script on my desktop like one text [TS]

  file that right now let me see it's 90 [TS]

  lines to set up this entire thing that's [TS]

  all it's very basic because all I'm [TS]

  doing is like responding to a system [TS]

  demon with a shell script when when [TS]

  things are inserted and removed and [TS]

  sending really simple commands to oh I [TS]

  gotta go to the control aspect of it as [TS]

  well the regular leak you know insert [TS]

  the card it plays take out the card it [TS]

  stops that's that's done it requires no [TS]

  external control or anything but I did [TS]

  think you know it would be nice to at [TS]

  least have a play/pause button and [TS]

  there's a number different ways to do [TS]

  this you can get for instance you can [TS]

  get buttons like actual physical buttons [TS]

  that have little wires on them that you [TS]

  can that have little connector on like [TS]

  at that plug right into the that big IO [TS]

  header on the Raspberry Pi the GPIO [TS]

  header and you can run a little python [TS]

  service that responds to button presses [TS]

  on those buttons really simply like [TS]

  that's and that's and I actually got a [TS]

  little pair of buttons I ended up not [TS]

  using them for [TS]

  I'll get into in a minute but but that's [TS]

  the thing you can do and again and a [TS]

  pair of buttons is like 6 bucks like it [TS]

  again I just it's so wonderful how [TS]

  inexpensive and affordable the stuff is [TS]

  you know I've heard a lot of people talk [TS]

  about how they're used in schools where [TS]

  you can like at these prices if you can [TS]

  get a little computer board for $35 or [TS]

  less you can get like one of the $10 [TS]

  ones or you know you can outfit a whole [TS]

  classroom with these things and have [TS]

  students doing projects with these [TS]

  things like that's incredible and and to [TS]

  have it just the the amount of computing [TS]

  power and flexibility and hardware that [TS]

  you can get like it's a whole computer [TS]

  you could a Raspberry Pi could be a [TS]

  Linux computer like that you can it [TS]

  could be a desktop you can plug a [TS]

  monitor and key word a mouse into it and [TS]

  use it as a desktop like that like it [TS]

  wouldn't be the fastest desktop in the [TS]

  world but it's you could still do it [TS]

  like and some people do it like this [TS]

  it's just incredible what you can do [TS]

  with these things like I saw a Steve [TS]

  trout and Smith he recently made himself [TS]

  a homekit camera by using a Raspberry Pi [TS]

  one of the tiny ones with the camera [TS]

  module that's available for them in a [TS]

  little tiny case and it's like a [TS]

  security camera for his house but it's [TS]

  home compatible through god knows what [TS]

  and it's he and he made it I've had a [TS]

  Raspberry Pi for you know probably under [TS]

  $50 like that's that's just incredible [TS]

  like it's to have this kind of power [TS]

  available to people it's it really is [TS]

  you know game-changing and I know this [TS]

  is not a sudden thing I know this didn't [TS]

  just begin yesterday I'm just I'm just [TS]

  discovering it I'm late to it and it [TS]

  just blows my mind like what's available [TS]

  here and it's it's so inspiring to to [TS]

  make me want to do more projects with it [TS]

  and and for me and this kind of played [TS]

  into earlier what I was saying about [TS]

  like I wish the home pod had a line in [TS]

  like as I'm like dipping my toe in this [TS]

  rod just for five seconds like it's [TS]

  really obvious to me like you know I [TS]

  really do like things being open and I [TS]

  really do I see the value in openness [TS]

  and and free software and and you know [TS]

  just this whole world open hardware open [TS]

  software the power that be that the [TS]

  technology we have today can can offer [TS]

  to us if some of these walls are knocked [TS]

  down we're not there in the first place [TS]

  anyway one more quick thing I did I did [TS]

  decide it let me let me play with you [TS]

  know remote control options I [TS]

  actually had do you guys know Samuel [TS]

  clay and the news blur product that he [TS]

  makes mmm well he did he did a [TS]

  Kickstarter about I don't know maybe a [TS]

  year ago for a little wooden like [TS]

  Internet of Things type remote called [TS]

  turn touch and I backed it and I got two [TS]

  of them and it says little like [TS]

  beautiful little square wooden remote [TS]

  with four buttons on it it interfaces [TS]

  with either I think an iOS device or in [TS]

  my case I'm using my Mac Mini server to [TS]

  be like the host receiver for it and you [TS]

  can map these buttons to do whatever you [TS]

  want I made a little interface again [TS]

  using bash shell scripting I made a [TS]

  little interface on the on the SD card [TS]

  player that just uses netcat as like a [TS]

  simple command interface that to listen [TS]

  for the commands just listen for the [TS]

  strings play pause next in previous and [TS]

  on the Mac that's hosting the turn touch [TS]

  app I mapped it to send using netcat [TS]

  shell scripts to go set each of the [TS]

  buttons just sends you know play pause [TS]

  previous/next you know stop it was again [TS]

  like a half hour maybe to get this set [TS]

  up I never even had used netcat before [TS]

  but I didn't even know it existed but it [TS]

  did and it was super easy to seconds to [TS]

  make a bash grip that was a network [TS]

  service command response in everything [TS]

  it's just incredible what you can do [TS]

  with this stuff and if you if you have [TS]

  like the the Linux chops or the shell [TS]

  scripting shops I guess and so now I [TS]

  have this little remote that sends basic [TS]

  commands through you know through MPC to [TS]

  MPD and is play pause and next track [TS]

  previous track it's just amazing I [TS]

  really do like this world [TS]

  I don't immediately have any ideas for [TS]

  what else I can do with it [TS]

  but I'm gonna keep trying to come up [TS]

  with some because it's just so fun as a [TS]

  nerd to play with this stuff yeah this [TS]

  is super cool I'm super jealous that [TS]

  you've come up with all this 2018 year [TS]

  of the shell script even if it's written [TS]

  in Swift alright so we should do a skate [TS]

  EP let's see we're starting with I will [TS]

  let you pronounce this John since you [TS]

  put this in show notes I'm gonna go with [TS]

  Hans Chou lien wow I sound different [TS]

  well done John John put this in the show [TS]

  notes and the question is I want to [TS]

  remove clutter and unused old files from [TS]

  my system however not delete them a lot [TS]

  or like the like entire unity or blender [TS]

  projects I did a few years ago that I [TS]

  don't really need anymore however I [TS]

  don't want to just delete them because [TS]

  too frequently I deleted something [TS]

  ancient needed it half a year later [TS]

  because of something really specific I [TS]

  did there what should I do [TS]

  connect to disk drive every time I want [TS]

  to quote-unquote offload something burn [TS]

  corrupt crap loads of DS CDs or DVDs and [TS]

  pile them in a corner by a server and [TS]

  put it on an SD ftp server somewhere [TS]

  where I dump all those files get an ass [TS]

  I'm looking for a reliable solution that [TS]

  I would still have access to in 20 years [TS]

  I really think just get an ass is the [TS]

  easy answer this question but I'm [TS]

  assuming that that you guys have other [TS]

  thoughts [TS]

  so since John wrote this into the show [TS]

  that's Marco do you have any immediate [TS]

  thoughts then we'll let John give us the [TS]

  real answer to me like I've actually [TS]

  recently gone through this a little bit [TS]

  I mean first of all just told you a [TS]

  reason why I might be having a CD burner [TS]

  in my desk but I I used to burn first [TS]

  DVD arse and then I got the bread the [TS]

  bright idea in my head a while ago that [TS]

  I should get a blu-ray burner because [TS]

  that was the next thing after DVDs and I [TS]

  decided oh 25 gigs per disc and then [TS]

  later even more that would be great I [TS]

  could I can burn an archived discs of [TS]

  all my important files and have this [TS]

  master set of backups in this big CD box [TS]

  in the closet or you know whatever else [TS]

  and I started that I did that for a [TS]

  little while but it turns out 25 gigs [TS]

  isn't that much anymore and even when [TS]

  the the fancier like multi layer discs [TS]

  came out like a couple years back even [TS]

  they they're still not really enough to [TS]

  be useful and turns out blu-ray burners [TS]

  are finicky and they're a pain and [TS]

  they're unreliable and the world of [TS]

  blu-ray burning discs is unreliable [TS]

  it's there's lots of different formats [TS]

  the burners don't always burn them all [TS]

  you know [TS]

  similarly or are compatible with them so [TS]

  you basically have this array of what's [TS]

  really quite obscure formats the idea of [TS]

  being able to read them in 20 years has [TS]

  a lot has a number of problems whatever [TS]

  disk format you're writing is not a [TS]

  blu-ray movie it's not a blu-ray disc [TS]

  and it's very possible that any drive [TS]

  you can find in 20 years might [TS]

  actually read that physical format the [TS]

  second problem you're gonna have is that [TS]

  optical discs deteriorate they are all [TS]

  based on organic dyes and certain [TS]

  assumptions that over time have proven [TS]

  to not always be the case if you have [TS]

  like even even today like we're a good [TS]

  15 years past the heyday of seedy ours [TS]

  if you still have CDR is like in your [TS]

  closet somewhere you might not be able [TS]

  to heed them anymore like they actually [TS]

  might have deteriorated to the point [TS]

  where you can't read them same thing [TS]

  with most DVD our DVDs were a little [TS]

  better because they sandwich the organic [TS]

  layer between two pieces of plastic [TS]

  instead of just having it on the top the [TS]

  way CDs did so it's they had a little [TS]

  more protection there's still like [TS]

  deterioration of the dyes than n layers [TS]

  that happens and so it's very light like [TS]

  the initial estimates of how long [TS]

  recordable media work was supposed to [TS]

  last many of them have not been achieved [TS]

  and they've had to revise his estimate [TS]

  so actually these don't last fifty or [TS]

  hundred years or a thousand years they [TS]

  actually might last like five years and [TS]

  so you have reliability issues there [TS]

  there actually was there's one type of [TS]

  blu-ray disc called M disc that was [TS]

  supposed to last for a millennium [TS]

  thousand years and I actually bought it [TS]

  I still have a spindle in my closet that [TS]

  I bought aspirationally thinking I would [TS]

  use them and I never did it's still [TS]

  unopened [TS]

  I threw it away last week because it [TS]

  supposedly is supposed to solve this [TS]

  problem but optical discs are not as [TS]

  reliable and long-lasting as we think [TS]

  they are they have proven that so far [TS]

  and even this you know end this that's [TS]

  supposed to last forever and be for [TS]

  archival purposes they're brand new [TS]

  relatively speaking and so we don't [TS]

  actually know like everyone thought that [TS]

  recordable you know CDs and DVDs would [TS]

  last a long time too and they didn't so [TS]

  you can try to simulate some things here [TS]

  and there but it's it's not it's it's [TS]

  not always dependable and then and you [TS]

  know the other thing is like again like [TS]

  are you gonna be able front-drive in 20 [TS]

  years that can read these discs I think [TS]

  that's fairly unlikely like you might be [TS]

  able to find a drive that reads blu-rays [TS]

  but it might not read these blu-rays or [TS]

  whatever else like it's I think your [TS]

  options are going to be fairly weak [TS]

  they're your best option here is to use [TS]

  hard drives and [TS]

  every few years when when you get larger [TS]

  ones move the stuff to the larger ones [TS]

  because the only the only way to keep [TS]

  data like this really preserved long [TS]

  term is to take it with you to move it [TS]

  periodically to the new set up if you [TS]

  don't do that you are reliant on certain [TS]

  technologies being very long-lasting and [TS]

  being able to be read forever and that's [TS]

  just unlikely to be true meanwhile hard [TS]

  drives are huge and relatively cost [TS]

  nothing for the amount of storage you [TS]

  get like there it's you can get such [TS]

  large drives now that if you're if you [TS]

  are offloading you know what used to be [TS]

  considered large files five ten years [TS]

  ago today you can get one hard drive for [TS]

  $200 or less that can hold all of them [TS]

  probably plus a lot of extra space so [TS]

  that's me that's my recommended solution [TS]

  is use hard drive somehow whether that's [TS]

  in an ass or whether that's just [TS]

  external disks that you plug in once a [TS]

  year to you know check them and move [TS]

  them on to new ones and also by the way [TS]

  have some redundancy here like one [TS]

  external drive having your only copy of [TS]

  something is still just one disk and [TS]

  that disk can fail and you can lose [TS]

  everything so you know have things on [TS]

  multiple disks but the the grand the [TS]

  overarching answer to the question is [TS]

  don't just leave them in a box for 20 [TS]

  years keep them moving with you as [TS]

  technology moves on as as drives get [TS]

  bigger as your setups change and then [TS]

  down the road you know maybe just move [TS]

  them to cloud storage yeah that pretty [TS]

  much covers it the only thing I'd add is [TS]

  if you really want to go for like how do [TS]

  I do that how do i how do I keep the [TS]

  data moving in my large current set [TS]

  while making sure every done in C is you [TS]

  you know so you want it to be your [TS]

  currently active pile of data you want [TS]

  that currently active pile of data to be [TS]

  backed up and you want it to be stored [TS]

  on some kind of thing that has like [TS]

  checksumming right well that's a file [TS]

  system or a device or some other [TS]

  facility to prevent bedrock because [TS]

  that's your only remaining enemy once [TS]

  you have the data with you active [TS]

  constantly moving to bigger and bigger [TS]

  storage just got always keep it moving [TS]

  bit rot is your enemy because you're [TS]

  moving it over the course of a decade [TS]

  and if the bits are slowly rotting by [TS]

  the time you go to [TS]

  pull something out it could be corrupted [TS]

  especially if it's something you know [TS]

  like a some particular file format or [TS]

  whatever that's sensitive to a bit [TS]

  flipped here there so yeah I mean it's [TS]

  difficult to do but that's you know I [TS]

  wish there was an easier answer like [TS]

  Marco special magic blu-ray discs but [TS]

  there's not you just got it you just got [TS]

  to have it all in your currently active [TS]

  set of data and it has to be backed up [TS]

  and redundant and you have to keep them [TS]

  moving [TS]

  moving on Lois Thompson writes the [TS]

  switch has shown that people are willing [TS]

  to pay for full blown console games on [TS]

  the go why are there no Triple A games [TS]

  for iOS or TV OS is it just down to lack [TS]

  of bundled controllers or docks [TS]

  maybe but to me the obvious answer to [TS]

  this question is nobody wants to pay a [TS]

  dollar for anything why would somebody [TS]

  want to pay sixty of their dollars for [TS]

  something on iOS like is there more to [TS]

  this than that John well I mean there's [TS]

  lots of different controller thing is [TS]

  definitely a big one I don't think the [TS]

  pricing is that big a deal like didn't [TS]

  civilization come out for iPad and it [TS]

  was like $60 like it's not like you [TS]

  can't put them at that price it's just a [TS]

  question of do the people who want to [TS]

  play that much money for him in this [TS]

  presence Triple A games what they mean [TS]

  are Triple A games as they have existed [TS]

  on PC and consoles which i think is a [TS]

  more it's a it's a different definition [TS]

  than just saying Triple A games because [TS]

  you might think well that just means [TS]

  good games there are tons of good games [TS]

  on iOS and you could say maybe they're [TS]

  not as expansive because they have to be [TS]

  sold for $2 or something like that but [TS]

  they're I think they're very good games [TS]

  I don't think length determines the [TS]

  value of a game but they mean Triple A [TS]

  games in the PC console sense which is [TS]

  implies a certain amount of production [TS]

  values a certain amount of content and [TS]

  the people who want to play those games [TS]

  aren't on iOS and TV us waiting [TS]

  patiently to pay you 60 dollars that [TS]

  they have consoles they have pcs that's [TS]

  where they are that's where they want to [TS]

  play their games [TS]

  so making a $60 game and putting it on [TS]

  iOS or TV OS is not going to get people [TS]

  to buy that game not because it's a bad [TS]

  game or people don't want to face it now [TS]

  let's take that exact same game and [TS]

  offer it on a console and or PC and our [TS]

  steam or whatever and it will sell it's [TS]

  the same game in both play [TS]

  and there's nothing other than the lack [TS]

  of controller and you know the lack of [TS]

  Apple courting game developers in the [TS]

  same way that console makers do and [TS]

  Microsoft does right there's nothing [TS]

  preventing that game from working fine [TS]

  on those on those platforms I mean most [TS]

  of the Apple stuff is really more [TS]

  powerful than the switch it's just a [TS]

  question of where the people are and the [TS]

  hardware I definitely has something to [TS]

  do with it but it also is just habits [TS]

  and where people where people want play [TS]

  their games takes a long time to [TS]

  dislodge somebody like if you're a PC [TS]

  gamer what's gonna get you off that PC [TS]

  if you're a console gamer what's gonna [TS]

  get you off that console onto TV OS [TS]

  thing doesn't ship with a controller [TS]

  that doesn't have a lot of games like [TS]

  it's a lot of it is just playing inertia [TS]

  so I thought that Apple couldn't go for [TS]

  it I mean Apple could have made [TS]

  something like the switch long ago or [TS]

  could turn TV OS into something like a [TS]

  television stranded switch in that it is [TS]

  like a not too powerful console that is [TS]

  small and doesn't require you know [TS]

  humongous fans and a giant embedded [TS]

  harddrive and everything right the iPad [TS]

  could have been the switch well yeah [TS]

  unless so because it's less natural [TS]

  pairing with a controller but Apple just [TS]

  didn't pursue that strategy which is [TS]

  fine like they'll battle Apple happily [TS]

  sold millions and millions of 99-cent [TS]

  games or free to play games that release [TS]

  a bunch of people for $20,000 until they [TS]

  go bankrupt and lose their house but [TS]

  yeah it's it's I don't want to say it's [TS]

  mostly cultural but like that's what I [TS]

  feel about like the technological [TS]

  questions and even like the consumer [TS]

  questions you're not where it's at it's [TS]

  about it's about like the culture and [TS]

  the platform owners have to be motivated [TS]

  to change the culture and honestly I'm [TS]

  not sure if Apple if it would be a good [TS]

  move for Apple do that we always say you [TS]

  know the gaming market is there for [TS]

  Apple to take it but they're taking a [TS]

  different slice of the gaming market and [TS]

  who's to say that Apple you know we put [TS]

  all the stock in like Oh Triple A games [TS]

  as they exist on PC and consoles but [TS]

  that's just you are where we're coming [TS]

  from culturally that we think those are [TS]

  the big games but are those companies [TS]

  more successful making more money than [TS]

  Apple's currently making selling $1 [TS]

  games it really depends on what your [TS]

  value I continue to think Apple doesn't [TS]

  understand games and doesn't really care [TS]

  about them and so I think it's perfectly [TS]

  natural for [TS]

  the games and the game customers to go [TS]

  elsewhere yeah I think you pretty much [TS]

  covered it I would just add that I do [TS]

  think there's a lot of value in the [TS]

  limited number of games that's available [TS]

  on a game console like like if you if [TS]

  you buy a switch and you want to play [TS]

  some games on it well you don't have 10 [TS]

  billion games available for free to $1 [TS]

  the to choose from there you have a you [TS]

  know vastly smaller number even when [TS]

  there's lot of games for a console it's [TS]

  still like a vastly smaller number [TS]

  compared to like you have on iOS and and [TS]

  those games have been vetted to a much [TS]

  larger degree like the the quality [TS]

  standards that are enforced by a company [TS]

  like Nintendo or Sony or Microsoft for [TS]

  their consoles are way higher and way [TS]

  more strict than what Apple enforces in [TS]

  the App Store so there's certain minimum [TS]

  barrier there and even you know and [TS]

  honestly it's not so great for like you [TS]

  know inclusion and diversity of game [TS]

  makers but it's also usually more [TS]

  expensive to develop these platforms or [TS]

  at least there's barriers in place it's [TS]

  not as easy as signing up for an Apple [TS]

  Developer membership and and it's [TS]

  sometimes it's more expensive as well so [TS]

  there are these barriers in place to [TS]

  getting the games onto these platforms [TS]

  there are much higher restrictions put [TS]

  in place by the vendors these platforms [TS]

  and all the games on these platforms are [TS]

  you know by iOS standards [TS]

  extraordinarily expensive by being like [TS]

  you know 15 dollars and up basically you [TS]

  know a good triple-a game is 50 or 60 [TS]

  bucks and and you know even though even [TS]

  the indie games you know it's like [TS]

  stardew valley or even like some of the [TS]

  smaller ones they're like you know $10 [TS]

  $15 etc O'Brien up stardew valley it's a [TS]

  good point because on the PC that has [TS]

  all the advantages of iOS anyone can [TS]

  make one it's much more open you don't [TS]

  have to get an sdk from Nintendo or Sony [TS]

  or Microsoft you know as you pointed out [TS]

  when you talk about started Valley was [TS]

  made by one person no one was stopping [TS]

  him from doing that he didn't get have [TS]

  to get App Store approval to make it he [TS]

  did have to get on Steam which was kind [TS]

  of app story but there's no reason he [TS]

  couldn't just sold that on his own [TS]

  website with stripe or PayPal or [TS]

  whatever [TS]

  so it has almost all the advantages of [TS]

  iOS in terms of openness depending on [TS]

  where you go but you know as the console [TS]

  side very curated very very narrow very [TS]

  simple to choose from and console gamers [TS]

  or the people who go in that direction [TS]

  and PC gamers or the people who say yeah [TS]

  but I want all the choice of steam [TS]

  including all the crap weird games for [TS]

  the chance to be the first person to [TS]

  play stardew valley because I'm assuming [TS]

  the PC version came out first just [TS]

  because that's the easiest platform to [TS]

  develop for if you're a single developer [TS]

  you're not gonna be dealing with Sony or [TS]

  Microsoft or Nintendo is BS to get your [TS]

  game off the ground yeah and also like [TS]

  you know because the the game the game [TS]

  consoles have so many fewer games and [TS]

  because the standards are so much higher [TS]

  and because they you know there's all [TS]

  these it they're basically like a a much [TS]

  smaller number of generally much better [TS]

  games on the consoles and you have an [TS]

  iOS that also means that like the [TS]

  promotion is very different the the [TS]

  storefront is very different you know [TS]

  you don't have in the App Store on iOS [TS]

  you're competing against everything in [TS]

  the world whereas if you go on a switch [TS]

  and you go to the eShop on switch your [TS]

  only choices are premium price games you [TS]

  know whether that's $15 or 60 dollars [TS]

  like those are your only choices and [TS]

  because this these standards are higher [TS]

  the whole market behaves differently [TS]

  first of all you can go read reviews and [TS]

  you can see how good they are but you [TS]

  can also probably just buy a game that [TS]

  like like when mario odyssey came out we [TS]

  just bought it because we knew like [TS]

  chances are that this is going to be a [TS]

  very good game because of reputation and [TS]

  nintendo and what we heard about it and [TS]

  that iOS you just don't really have that [TS]

  as much and and your battle with [TS]

  everything else and consumers if you go [TS]

  to the App Store and a game is priced at [TS]

  $40 or more like you're never gonna drop [TS]

  that on an iOS game because your [TS]

  expectations of whether that's going to [TS]

  be worth it or good or not are by [TS]

  necessity way lower you know the reality [TS]

  is the App Store ecosystem on all sides [TS]

  is set up to incentivize and reward [TS]

  certain types of behavior and it's you [TS]

  know it culminates in these free-to-play [TS]

  social manipulation games and that's [TS]

  what the app store in [TS]

  Courage's that's what it gets like it's [TS]

  like that the entire store is set up in [TS]

  a way that encourages promotes and [TS]

  rewards abusive in-app purchase free [TS]

  games and so that's what they're gonna [TS]

  get tons of and that's going to succeed [TS]

  that's what Apple's going to promote [TS]

  because it sells more of their devices [TS]

  and all these you know free allegedly [TS]

  games and you know it's it's a vicious [TS]

  cycle I don't see how they break out of [TS]

  that I also would not discount the [TS]

  controller question too much because [TS]

  there's a lot of game types that gamers [TS]

  who are willing to pay 60 bucks for a [TS]

  game enjoy playing that either are [TS]

  unplayable or really inferior on a [TS]

  touchscreen now granted there's also [TS]

  types of games that you know work on a [TS]

  touchscreen that would suck on a console [TS]

  but the fact remains that there's a lot [TS]

  of very popular established triple-a [TS]

  game types that are very cumbersome to [TS]

  play on a touchscreen without some other [TS]

  kind of controller or a mouse or [TS]

  something and so I think that also plays [TS]

  into it too to a lesser degree but I [TS]

  think that the bigger the bigger problem [TS]

  is simply that difference in the market [TS]

  place and styles of how you buy games [TS]

  what games are available to buy how you [TS]

  find them how they're promoted what what [TS]

  your other options are on those [TS]

  platforms etc you know if I don't buy a [TS]

  $60 game on my switch there's not much [TS]

  more I can do with the switch like if I [TS]

  don't buy you know a secret or game on [TS]

  the iPad I have 10 billion free games to [TS]

  choose from instead and so like there's [TS]

  a reason where the market goes it goes [TS]

  the way that it goes and the cultural [TS]

  differences even even comes up in the [TS]

  controller thing right so Nintendo when [TS]

  they made the new console they put a [TS]

  touchscreen on it because they recognize [TS]

  there's a bunch of games that benefit [TS]

  from touchscreens and even just the non [TS]

  game stuff like it's nice to have a [TS]

  touchscreen and it's got a controller on [TS]

  the flip side Apple said oh yeah we'll [TS]

  have a way you can use controllers with [TS]

  their Apple TVs but we're not gonna [TS]

  build one like it it's a [TS]

  misunderstanding games like if you're [TS]

  making a game thing you're like we [TS]

  should put a touch screen on just in [TS]

  case someone wants to make it touch [TS]

  we're here but they won't be able to use [TS]

  it when I come to their TV yeah but [TS]

  we're still putting it on there like [TS]

  it's we should just do it because we [TS]

  care about games and maybe there's some [TS]

  awesome game that we don't want to miss [TS]

  out on by not having a touchscreen even [TS]

  though you can [TS]

  use it when I talk to the TV and we're [TS]

  making this consult they can go most [TS]

  places just put the touch screen in [TS]

  whereas Apple can't even bring [TS]

  themselves to sell to make their own [TS]

  controller let alone bundle a [TS]

  third-party controller with it they'll [TS]

  just like will sell third-party [TS]

  controllers in our stores and if someone [TS]

  wants when they can get it and you know [TS]

  they flip-flopped on whether it's read [TS]

  you were allowed to require it in games [TS]

  it just shows that Apple's you know just [TS]

  not that into games and just doesn't [TS]

  have the the mindset that a real game [TS]

  maker would get would would have which [TS]

  is like can we conceive of a cool game [TS]

  being made by this I'll look at all [TS]

  these touch games on those platforms we [TS]

  should make sure we're not excluded from [TS]

  that so please put a touch screen on the [TS]

  switch and they did all right thanks to [TS]

  our sponsors this week hover Squarespace [TS]

  and fracture we will see you next week [TS]

  now the show is over [TS]

  they didn't even mean to begin because [TS]

  it was accidental oh it was accidental [TS]

  research Marco and Casey wouldn't let [TS]

  him cuz it was accidentally was [TS]

  accidental and you can find the show [TS]

  notes at ADP and Twitter you can follow [TS]

  them cas pyl is esta that's Casey less [TS]

  ma RC o AR m auntie Marco Arment SI r AC [TS]

  Syracuse [TS]

  so apparently if you really want to get [TS]

  things done you should have a baby [TS]

  because as soon as you have a baby your [TS]

  application and do a YouTube video and [TS]

  who knows the case will be doing Maxie's [TS]

  got all this free time he just needs to [TS]

  fill with new hobbies yes so so tell us [TS]

  about this so so you you reviewed an SUV [TS]

  so how we actually talked about this on [TS]

  the forthcoming episode of analog which [TS]

  as we talked tonight is not released and [TS]

  and will probably be released after this [TS]

  episode of ATP is because that's the [TS]

  schedule we're on but I had the car was [TS]

  it last week I believe and Alfre may [TS]

  austell vo which is their new more [TS]

  reasonably new SUV they were like hey we [TS]

  can give it to you mid-january and I was [TS]

  like oh sure I guess I know I'm gonna be [TS]

  home but that's gonna be a busy time so [TS]

  I'll just see what I can do and in short [TS]

  it was actually a really nice truck like [TS]

  trucks are not my thing just in somebody [TS]

  pointed helped via Twitter you know I'm [TS]

  saying that it despite saying oh I'm [TS]

  probably gonna buy a Wrangler soon but [TS]

  generally speaking trucks are not my [TS]

  thing but this thing and actually a lot [TS]

  of people wouldn't even call it a truck [TS]

  but that's neither here nor there yeah [TS]

  but whatever at all car is not usually [TS]

  my thing but this was actually really [TS]

  nice there are some problems with it but [TS]

  all told it was reasonably quick handled [TS]

  stunningly well for for a car that does [TS]

  that tall and I really liked it [TS]

  like I don't know if this would be what [TS]

  I would choose if I were to buy a car [TS]

  but I can see how one could end up with [TS]

  this over like an x3 or an Audi q5 or [TS]

  something like that cool well I really [TS]

  enjoyed your video I think I don't [TS]

  really have any a peanut about the car [TS]

  but you continue to be like [TS]

  frustratingly improving quickly at [TS]

  making videos like you started out way [TS]

  better than I thought you would no [TS]

  offense like I just thought it was a [TS]

  hard problem and then you know video 2 [TS]

  is even better and so yeah pretty cool [TS]

  well thanks yeah I mean I'm pretty proud [TS]

  of the video like there's definitely [TS]

  problems don't get me wrong it's not [TS]

  flawless by any means but I am pretty [TS]

  pleased with how it turned out and I [TS]

  feel like I've made a lot of I've made a [TS]

  lot of positive steps [TS]

  and again there's gonna be a fairly [TS]

  in-depth discussion about this on analog [TS]

  we'll talk about it or I mean I'll link [TS]

  it in the show notes but if you're [TS]

  listening to this you may or may not be [TS]

  able to click that link and get to [TS]

  anything because yeah the analog episode [TS]

  isn't out yet but no I'm pretty pleased [TS]

  with the video it was shorter which I [TS]

  think was good I probably still could [TS]

  have cut something from it and there [TS]

  were probably some places where I could [TS]

  have tightened it up a little bit but [TS]

  all told it I'm pretty darn pleased with [TS]

  how it came out I think the biggest [TS]

  issues with the prior video with the [TS]

  Giulia were were that I was not [TS]

  particularly effusive or I mean maybe [TS]

  not effusive but I wasn't particularly [TS]

  interesting I guess you could say like I [TS]

  was kind of monotone and kind of just [TS]

  there and additionally the audio was [TS]

  just garbage as we talked about ad [TS]

  nauseam previously now the audio [TS]

  accepting one section I think was pretty [TS]

  darn good yeah I definitely clipped in a [TS]

  few spots which was unfortunate but you [TS]

  know all told it was pretty good [TS]

  and I think I was a much more [TS]

  interesting person to watch this time [TS]

  which is also good but there's still [TS]

  plenty of room to be improved you know [TS]

  you could see me in the reflection of [TS]

  the car and a bunch of spots which in a [TS]

  perfect world wouldn't have happened [TS]

  there were some there was some video I [TS]

  shot before I had a chance to very very [TS]

  quickly wash the car because it had [TS]

  rained like the day after I got it or [TS]

  something like that so it was dirty and [TS]

  a few of the shots which in a perfect [TS]

  world I wouldn't have done it one of the [TS]

  shots I didn't realize that my bucket of [TS]

  equipment was in the background which I [TS]

  regret but I mean I'm not gonna sit [TS]

  there and like Photoshop it out or [TS]

  anything like that so all told I'm [TS]

  really pleased with the video the car [TS]

  was very very nice if he wanted [TS]

  something that's more interesting than [TS]

  like an x3 I think it's a it's a very [TS]

  reasonable choice this particular car [TS]

  was mildly optioned and it priced at [TS]

  about $55,000 and there are some things [TS]

  that I really wish it had like I wish it [TS]

  had a little bit of autonomous driving [TS]

  capability I very much wish it had [TS]

  carplay and I think there is either an [TS]

  option package where it could have had [TS]

  car play or it's coming soon I'm not [TS]

  entirely clear based on Alfa Romeos [TS]

  website but I couldn't think [TS]

  a way to turn it on on this particular [TS]

  car you know all told it was a very very [TS]

  nice car that if you wanted something [TS]

  more interesting than just another x3 I [TS]

  could see going for this cool yeah any [TS]

  other thoughts John I'm surprised you're [TS]

  so quiet you haven't told me how ugly [TS]

  this is yet it's because it's an SUV but [TS]

  when I compare it to its contemporaries [TS]

  and not compare it to actual cars the x3 [TS]

  is just gross all those little luxuries [TS]

  sport utility vehicles are mostly gross [TS]

  the Audi ones are okay Infiniti ones are [TS]

  horrendous anyway I was surprised you [TS]

  didn't compare it to the Volvo I mean [TS]

  you know you haven't done the volvo [TS]

  video yet but it's the other SUV thing [TS]

  that you have the most experience with [TS]

  and it's similar price range so I mean [TS]

  you kind of alluded to it like look if I [TS]

  spend [TS]

  spend [TS]

  the funding is if I cut your Amazon [TS]

  story we can always refer back to it as [TS]

  member caseys Amazon story and nobody [TS]

  will be like this enigma no one's ever [TS]

  heard because we won't tell them cases [TS]

  Amazon story and like like case he's not [TS]

  gonna bring it up again the next time [TS]

  you bring something to the lockers next [TS]

  time you return a $15.00 dongle he's [TS]

  spending like two hours of your life to [TS]

  return this $15 thing it was not two [TS]

  hours you bastard but yes I understand [TS]

  your point there's two hours of our [TS]

  lives no no no everything's changed and [TS]

  now it's gonna be all screwed up I blame [TS]

  you duh what's your middle name Charles [TS]

  Chester Casey no Craig mm-hmm no really [TS]

  what is it John Craig got it yes I [TS]

  didn't know I can tell if you were [TS]

  trolling me and that was a federighi [TS]

  joke I know how to pronounce it I know [TS]

  what the middle name is boom I'm the [TS]

  better friend well now that we've got [TS]

  that sorted no anyway John Craig [TS]

  Syracuse oh you need to grow up and get [TS]

  a proper microphone like an adult I'm [TS]

  really loud in my own ears who knows [TS]

  what you're gonna get here you want [TS]

  anything - no is a are you recording and [TS]

  B are you clipping those the only [TS]

  concerns I have but I know I can't top [TS]

  I'm clipping I got the little meter [TS]

  thingies and they never reached the top [TS]

  does that mean I'm not clipping yes good [TS]

  but but can I make them reach the top [TS]

  test test if it clips so which are you [TS]

  are you talking with the meters that are [TS]

  in audio hijack peak slash RMS it's the [TS]

  box right next to the input and and I [TS]

  blow white bars or hanging at the oven [TS]

  can I get them to go you know I can't [TS]

  get the top good your turn red they stay [TS]

  orange the whole time then you're not [TS]

  clipping [TS]

  but those claps those claps should have [TS]

  pushed it up that was me that time that [TS]

  was me that time then I saw a little red [TS]

  on my they do not turn red good best [TS]

  episode ever [TS]

  no I'm clapping we'll just have to keep [TS]

  you nice and calm so your voice doesn't [TS]

  get raised [TS]

  yeah the Mac Pro man you know I love [TS]

  maximizing all my windows space this is [TS]

  the one true way actually really I think [TS]

  that's true but wait John are you a VI [TS]

  or Emacs guy I don't even remember but [TS]

  Marco knows hmm you know what how is [TS]

  being tested yes my middle name doesn't [TS]

  know if I know yeah so now wait I'm [TS]

  gonna try I'm gonna try to guess very [TS]

  disappointed I'm gonna guess because [TS]

  John is old and picky [TS]

  I'm gonna guess Emacs is that right I'm [TS]

  interested in your reasoning why is old [TS]

  anything he just usually like is Emacs [TS]

  older yeah I don't think it is probably [TS]

  not but but I think it's demographic is [TS]

  so what was I right about a million [TS]

  podcast never never wavering I actually [TS]

  agree with you I think it's Emacs all [TS]

  the way but I am surprised that a man of [TS]

  your pickiness thinks that VI is is not [TS]

  better you guys are nuts [TS]

  I think anyone who enjoys VI is a true [TS]

  to form animal like what kind of monster [TS]

  would enjoy using VI I wouldn't say I [TS]

  enjoy it I I would say I hate it less [TS]

  than I hate e^x anyway we should move on [TS]

  who ordered a home pod because I believe [TS]

  all of us were pretty tepid about it [TS]

  weren't we so did either of you guys [TS]

  order a home pod I will tell you that I [TS]

  did not I mean we know John probably [TS]

  didn't right no John hate spending money [TS]

  so of course it well we have now made [TS]

  show history none of the three of us is [TS]

  the brand-new Apple product Wow haribol [TS]

  at this I'm really disappointed in us [TS]

  like you know I mean I covered most of [TS]

  it last week but like you know as the [TS]

  pre-order period passed and went and and [TS]

  as you know some people are you know [TS]

  having those like hour-long sample tests [TS]

  with them and PR and everything it just [TS]

  it sounds like okay they focused on [TS]

  their strengths they focused on you know [TS]

  the audio engineering side their [TS]

  weaknesses are you know things like the [TS]

  home assistant area and the low cost [TS]

  they didn't focus on their weak sides [TS]

  which is probably smart but they ended [TS]

  up making a product that I don't think I [TS]

  have not only a need for but I don't [TS]

  even think I have a place in my house [TS]

  where it could go that would make sense [TS]

  it can't go in my living room because [TS]

  only the TV speakers serve that and it [TS]

  can't be my TV speakers and I also don't [TS]

  want treatment TVs because I have nice [TS]

  TV speakers already it can't go in the [TS]

  kitchen because the home of the [TS]

  assistant part of it is not good enough [TS]

  you know frankly it just not good enough [TS]

  like what the things we do most often [TS]

  things like timers on on the Amazon echo [TS]

  in the Amazon echo has really good [TS]

  timers now you can name them you can [TS]

  have multiple timers running at once so [TS]

  you can say hey Amazon thing set an oven [TS]

  timer for 14 minutes hey I was on things [TS]

  said I rotate the thing in the oven [TS]

  timer for seven minutes like you can you [TS]

  can stack them up like that and you can [TS]

  have like when you're cooking and when [TS]

  you have like multiple things going it's [TS]

  a lifesaver and then it beeps and tells [TS]

  you your rotate oven timer is done like [TS]

  it's just it's so convenient and and [TS]

  pretty advanced these days the Siri [TS]

  functionality on the home pod if it's [TS]

  anything like other Siri functionality [TS]

  it's not gonna be good at that kind of [TS]

  stuff you know me it might be able to do [TS]

  a little bit of it I think we I think we [TS]

  know that I can do like one timer I mean [TS]

  because the iPhone can't even do [TS]

  multiple timers or name timers like a [TS]

  Siri on the phone can't even do that so [TS]

  I don't expect you know Siri on the on [TS]

  the home pod to be that much better in [TS]

  that regard so it seems like this is [TS]

  really just focused on music but it's [TS]

  music only with these restrictions and [TS]

  only for certain environments and [TS]

  there's nowhere in my house that I [TS]

  listen to music that either doesn't [TS]

  require the more advanced home assistant [TS]

  functionality of the echo in the kitchen [TS]

  or doesn't have requirements the home [TS]

  pod can't satisfy like in my living room [TS]

  we don't listen to music in the bedrooms [TS]

  upstairs [TS]

  in my office I listen to music mostly on [TS]

  headphones and when I do use my speakers [TS]

  it's it's because I need to play music [TS]

  from my computer which the home pod [TS]

  can't do even if I had one I don't even [TS]

  know where where I would put it in my [TS]

  house so yeah I just I passed and it [TS]

  feels really weird for a major Apple [TS]

  product lunch to go by that I'm not [TS]

  buying and I'm not really excited about [TS]

  but this product is just so boxed in in [TS]

  in what it serves and what it's good at [TS]

  and what it can't do that [TS]

  it just it boxed itself right out of my [TS]

  life well it has competitors if you [TS]

  didn't have an echo any Amazon stuff you [TS]

  probably would've bought this visi you'd [TS]

  be like oh I've been meaning to try [TS]

  these cylinder things and here's an [TS]

  Apple one so I'll try it [TS]

  mm-hmm I don't have any Amazon stuff not [TS]

  you Marco I'm just saying I am that [TS]

  person [TS]

  ya know you you are anti Solon's are [TS]

  entirely so you're just continuing your [TS]

  cylinder cap on a second Marco totally [TS]

  would have bought this if he didn't [TS]

  already have a product that he liked [TS]

  better because he still would have been [TS]

  at the point of like I don't know about [TS]

  these cylinders or whatever and then [TS]

  eventually I pull to come up with him he [TS]

  would have tried it well I'm like I [TS]

  don't even have the the very common [TS]

  excuse of I need this for testing my app [TS]

  because my app can't do anything with [TS]

  the home pod like until Siri has [TS]

  basically like audio app support which [TS]

  as I mentioned I said look I don't I'm [TS]

  not expect that to happen in time soon [TS]

  because that would also enable Spotify [TS]

  and other services like that and so you [TS]

  know it's possible as we mentioned last [TS]

  everybody see when when Sirikit updates [TS]

  came and went and there was no audio [TS]

  thing like it's possible that he's [TS]

  haven't gotten to it yet and that they [TS]

  do intend to do it at some point later I [TS]

  would say this summer this WDC is kind [TS]

  of like the the do-or-die point here [TS]

  like if they don't add some kind of [TS]

  music app support this summer I think it [TS]

  becomes increasingly likely that the [TS]

  explanation is they don't want to do it [TS]

  for competitive reasons which is not [TS]

  good I really hope that isn't what's [TS]

  happening but right now like I don't [TS]

  even have anything meaningful to test [TS]

  with overcast on the home pod because [TS]

  airplay 2 isn't done yet you get a bunch [TS]

  of good ideas and slack remind me and [TS]

  overcast to play the latest ATP yeah I [TS]

  can make overcast a to-do app like yeah [TS]

  can you make overcast a workout app and [TS]

  a to-do app and every month yes I that [TS]

  would be funny to attempt that but it [TS]

  would be not only clumsy but there's no [TS]

  way Apple above that stand for more than [TS]

  a week that would be a waste but it's [TS]

  just like I just there's nothing for me [TS]

  to do with the home pod and I suppose [TS]

  like it's healthy for me as a human [TS]

  being to not just buy every product [TS]

  Apple releases but it just feels weird [TS]

  there's a major launch that and and none [TS]

  of us are buying it [TS]

  yeah I think I actually have a place [TS]

  in my house where I could put this cuz [TS]

  in in the living room I have a free [TS]

  Google home mini thing that I got it [TS]

  came free with some other thing but just [TS]

  convenient makes it so you know you can [TS]

  ask questions and kids can ask how to [TS]

  spell words or to find things and stuff [TS]

  like but you can't play any music on it [TS]

  because it's you know it's the mini and [TS]

  it sounds like a tinny little speaker [TS]

  and I do have my speaker sock up to my [TS]

  TV but there's no way to talk to them [TS]

  and they're mostly turned off all the [TS]

  time unless someone's watching TV and [TS]

  really they're not ideal for music [TS]

  anyway so if I had a nice like speaker [TS]

  thing they could fill the room with [TS]

  sound which is what this thing could do [TS]

  and I could talk to it there is a place [TS]

  for that in my life and I would just you [TS]

  know stick it in my living room and I [TS]

  have an easier way to fill the living [TS]

  room with much better sounding sounds [TS]

  and then Google home anything can [TS]

  provide but I mine it doesn't you know I [TS]

  don't like the idea that it would be [TS]

  tied to my Apple ID and I don't like the [TS]

  idea that I could talk to it but not [TS]

  well and so I'm taking a wait-and-see [TS]

  like eventually when the software [TS]

  catches up and it supports multiple [TS]

  people and they can understand who's [TS]

  talking to it and it can you know [TS]

  connect to both my phone and my wife's [TS]

  phone and like it's eventually when the [TS]

  software catches up I probably will buy [TS]

  one of these to fill exactly that [TS]

  function to basically fill my living [TS]

  room with better sounding sound I don't [TS]

  know if it'll ever get to the point [TS]

  though where I can talk to it and have [TS]

  it play like any song because I [TS]

  subscribe to will play music and I don't [TS]

  see myself subscribing to Apple music [TS]

  just to be able to talk to this speaker [TS]

  because I have to subscribe to google [TS]

  play music to get no ads on YouTube [TS]

  because of the way Google structures [TS]

  things Google ever changes its YouTube [TS]

  red whatever family plan thing that I [TS]

  get so that I don't have to play for [TS]

  google play music anymore but I can [TS]

  still the whole family can still be ad [TS]

  free on YouTube then I would probably [TS]

  subscribe to help music and try it but [TS]

  for now I'm just kind of stuck in this [TS]

  you know this weirdly carved out problem [TS]

  space of streaming service and ad free [TS]

  YouTube and you know and this is the [TS]

  capabilities of the home pod I'm a [TS]

  devout Spotify user I admittedly have [TS]

  not tried Apple music since [TS]

  was brand-new and as such I've been [TS]

  debating you know maybe I should try it [TS]

  again but two of the playlists that [TS]

  Spotify comes out with every single week [TS]

  for every single user is I believe they [TS]

  were called discover weekly which is [TS]

  just hey given the entirety of Spotify [TS]

  library and given what we've noticed you [TS]

  listening to so far here's so other [TS]

  music that we think you would enjoy and [TS]

  that comes out on Mondays and then on [TS]

  Fridays there's release radar which is [TS]

  similar but limited to just new or new [TS]

  ish releases so here's something that's [TS]

  brand new that just entered Spotify and [TS]

  we think you might enjoy [TS]

  and those two playlists are tremendous [TS]

  and I love them and beyond that Spotify [TS]

  is is a couple of really great apps it [TS]

  is one of the few apps that is electron [TS]

  or equivalent that doesn't make me that [TS]

  doesn't remind me of that every time I [TS]

  use it unlike slack and on the on the [TS]

  iPhone it's a really great app and [TS]

  what's wonderful about it is if I [TS]

  accidentally as I often do leave Spotify [TS]

  open everywhere any Spotify client that [TS]

  is signed in as the same Spotify user [TS]

  can control any other Spotify client so [TS]

  I could control my phone from my [TS]

  computer or vice versa and that becomes [TS]

  useful if your airplane to something [TS]

  else that's awesome yeah so any so I [TS]

  could have my phone airplane to my Apple [TS]

  TV but control it from my computer if my [TS]

  computer happens to be right in front of [TS]

  it whatever the case may be so like I [TS]

  said I have not tried Apple music in a [TS]

  while but there's a lot to love about [TS]

  Spotify and I've been a loyal Spotify [TS]

  users since it came to the United States [TS]

  and I've been paying for it since it [TS]

  came to the United States so if the home [TS]

  pod supported Spotify like if I could [TS]

  say you know cylinder play such-and-such [TS]

  on Spotify I think there's a pretty darn [TS]

  good chance I would be getting one what [TS]

  is it a week from Friday and I probably [TS]

  would have pre-ordered it but given that [TS]

  it is tied to Apple music and right now [TS]

  I don't particularly care for Apple [TS]

  music this is kind of a non-starter to [TS]

  me and it's really unfortunate because [TS]

  I've been thinking about this a lot and [TS]

  we'll talk about it I think over the [TS]

  next couple of weeks because I have a [TS]

  few topics [TS]

  which we may not get to this week to [TS]

  discuss this but I I don't like that [TS]

  that whole like Google mantra especially [TS]

  from years ago of like oh we're open [TS]

  we're open and we do things because [TS]

  we're open and you can do whatever you [TS]

  want with our stuff cuz we're open like [TS]

  that's just like open for open sake is [TS]

  just cheesy and I don't really care [TS]

  also I mean Google's case they're often [TS]

  using it as a total marketing BS thing [TS]

  like it's a there's open and there's [TS]

  Google and those occasionally intersect [TS]

  a little bit but they're not usually [TS]

  that intersecting yeah I completely [TS]

  agree with you [TS]

  but this is a case where this sort of [TS]

  gated community really bums me out that [TS]

  that I can't use the music streaming [TS]

  platform that I prefer with the physical [TS]

  speaker that I would probably really [TS]

  love I have been so far I am so far [TS]

  behind on podcast like I haven't [TS]

  listened to what was it query that was [TS]

  on relay that um had serenity Caldwell [TS]

  discussing her experience with home pod [TS]

  is that right I think I have that right [TS]

  well whatever it is I'll put a link in [TS]

  the show notes and so I haven't listened [TS]

  to that yet but I'm really looking [TS]

  forward to yes query number 23 I'll put [TS]

  it in the show notes and certainly [TS]

  Caldwell was able to get some hands-on [TS]

  time with the home pod and apparently [TS]

  spent basically an hour discussing it on [TS]

  on this episode of query which is a [TS]

  really great podcast with with Steven [TS]

  Hackett so I have no chance listen to [TS]

  that all I've heard through the [TS]

  grapevine from the little I've been [TS]

  paying attention to is that the home pod [TS]

  really does sound really great and you [TS]

  know what that sounds good to me let it [TS]

  pardon the pun but that sounds good like [TS]

  I could see me putting this in my living [TS]

  room even as a redundant set of speakers [TS]

  just because I could see screaming [TS]

  across the room [TS]

  hey cylinder play you know the latest [TS]

  album by Radiohead on Spotify or [TS]

  something like that and that would be [TS]

  pretty awesome like one of my favorite [TS]

  things about one with a brief window [TS]

  time I used Apple music was being able [TS]

  to use Siri with it especially on my [TS]

  phone but because this is this is a [TS]

  walled garden that that Spotify isn't [TS]

  allowed in and actually to that end [TS]

  overcast isn't either in terms of of [TS]

  Siri support this is this is a [TS]

  non-starter to me like I'm just not [TS]

  interested in it and [TS]

  and that kind of bums me out because [TS]

  which is stupid right like it bums me [TS]

  out that I can't send some faceless [TS]

  corporation another 350 dollars of my [TS]

  money like that's so dumb but I don't [TS]

  know like a few years ago I would be [TS]

  excited about this sort of thing and now [TS]

  I'm kind of like huh that's too bad I [TS]

  wish I could get excited about this but [TS]

  I can't and I know that there's like [TS]

  some capitalism like capitalism thoughts [TS]

  and stuff is evil etcetera etcetera but [TS]

  I don't know this is just a silly thing [TS]

  that used to make me happy and a new [TS]

  Apple thing used to always make me happy [TS]

  even when I claimed it wouldn't it have [TS]

  any inevitably did but and maybe that'll [TS]

  be the case here - who knows but I don't [TS]

  know man I'm just bummed because I want [TS]

  to be excited about it and I just can't [TS]

  bring myself to you know I guess we're [TS]

  all in the same page but I guess we all [TS]

  don't like music as much as we like [TS]

  television and movies because multiple [TS]

  multiple streaming services right for [TS]

  video we all subscribe to Netflix right [TS]

  how many people subscribe to something [TS]

  else besides Netflix I have HBO whatever [TS]

  right and Casey anything else definite [TS]

  so recurring subscriptions are Netflix [TS]

  and Spotify and I think that's it for us [TS]

  maybe cases uneven footing but Markos [TS]

  got twice as many video as audio [TS]

  services Grande it's just two to one I [TS]

  have like seven times as many video [TS]

  services wait nope you're wrong I [TS]

  subscribe to Apple music and Amazon [TS]

  music whatever on the echo oh so I'm [TS]

  tied alright but but it's I think it's [TS]

  different because like with streaming [TS]

  services I think you have way lower of a [TS]

  percentage of overlap if you look at [TS]

  like the Venn diagram of each one's [TS]

  catalogs right video streaming services [TS]

  I feel like there's a lot less overlap [TS]

  between each one's music streaming [TS]

  services the overlap of those Venn [TS]

  diagram circles of what they have is [TS]

  like almost identical to call mostly on [TS]

  top of each other yeah so you don't feel [TS]

  like you're getting anything extra I [TS]

  mean yeah it feels redundant to pay for [TS]

  multiple uses whereas it doesn't feel [TS]

  redundant to pay for multiple streaming [TS]

  services there's different content on [TS]

  them yeah I suppose although but there's [TS]

  probably lots of exclusive content we [TS]

  just don't know what it is because you [TS]

  know maybe you're into classical music [TS]

  maybe one [TS]

  like all the class of me is gonna when I [TS]

  scrap or none of them I fish you know [TS]

  foreign music none of them have fish [TS]

  right but if one of them did that would [TS]

  be a differentiator oh no I think [TS]

  Spotify has a fair bit of fish doesn't [TS]

  it not they don't know but not all the [TS]

  live shows actually live fish has their [TS]

  own app and with other you think the [TS]

  restroom service that has has all the [TS]

  stuff yeah well anyway what I'm getting [TS]

  at is like why you know why is it I play [TS]

  for Google Play and I won't play valve [TS]

  music part of it might be the overlap [TS]

  but like I don't have that problem in [TS]

  video there's a lot of overlap in the [TS]

  video services but all when I envision [TS]

  the video services it's like look the [TS]

  only reason I'm subscribing to the CBS [TS]

  thing is for the one Star Trek show like [TS]

  in the worst case scenario it's like I'm [TS]

  literally subscribing for a single show [TS]

  because it's the only place I can get it [TS]

  it's a hundred percent exclusive right [TS]

  and these video services pay to have [TS]

  exclusive content created for them [TS]

  that's what brings me to them I'm not at [TS]

  this point I'm no longer subscribe to [TS]

  Netflix to see a bunch of like their [TS]

  back catalogue of movies it's purely for [TS]

  original Netflix series we don't have [TS]

  that in the music space but anyway I'm [TS]

  what I'm getting as I'm paying you know [TS]

  tens of dollars for all these services [TS]

  every single month and it doesn't bother [TS]

  me but also paying for Apple music just [TS]

  feels like yeah and I think that mostly [TS]

  for me anyway it's because I I watch [TS]

  much more television movies than I [TS]

  listen to music because there's a fact [TS]

  right I mean and even in scenarios where [TS]

  I would be listening to music most of [TS]

  the things of podcasts which you know so [TS]

  what does all this say that I don't [TS]

  think the cylinder market is uniquely [TS]

  hosed it is hosed in very similar ways [TS]

  to the sort of the balkanized [TS]

  video market it's just that the video [TS]

  market I guess feels better because of [TS]

  the original content although it doesn't [TS]

  feel great I mean I you know when I [TS]

  resist adding up exactly how much money [TS]

  I'm paying every month for all my video [TS]

  services because I think it's a pretty [TS]

  big number going back one more minute to [TS]

  what you said a few minutes ago Casey [TS]

  about like the the kind of feeling of [TS]

  openness that you that you want or or [TS]

  seek from this product that you can't [TS]

  get hmm so for reasons I'll get into [TS]

  later in the show I've kind of been [TS]

  thinking similar lines recently or [TS]

  having similar sensibility and I you [TS]

  know the the fact that the home [TS]

  has no equivalent or to basically a line [TS]

  in port [TS]

  like maybe airplay one might be that [TS]

  equivalent to put like basically it has [TS]

  no line in port this [TS]

  I feel like limits its lifetime in a way [TS]

  that people who buy speakers I think are [TS]

  gonna be disappointed with this long [TS]

  term like if you look at the iPod hi-fi [TS]

  the famous flop Apple product well you [TS]

  know what [TS]

  the iPod high-five for the very few [TS]

  people who spent the crazy amount of [TS]

  money to buy it which actually I think [TS]

  was four hundred dollars right it's not [TS]

  that different from the price of the [TS]

  whole but I thought maybe anyway it was [TS]

  350 by the way okay yeah so he Co but [TS]

  like for the few people who bought those [TS]

  or who got them later off eBay as a joke [TS]

  like you know like I know Jason snow and [TS]

  Steven Hackett both have them and they [TS]

  both still use them now the the iPod [TS]

  hi-fi the main input was an iPod 30-pin [TS]

  dock connector on the top but it also [TS]

  had a line in port on the back and so [TS]

  this speaker that by all accounts is [TS]

  actually a pretty decent speaker is [TS]

  still useful today what is it a decade [TS]

  after it came out something like that so [TS]

  like it's still useful today [TS]

  because it's just a good speaker and [TS]

  good speakers don't go out of date good [TS]

  speakers are always good speakers I mean [TS]

  eventually maybe the cones could rot but [TS]

  it takes a very long time like a good [TS]

  speaker is useful way beyond the [TS]

  lifetime of a typical tech gadget and [TS]

  people who buy good speakers and who [TS]

  value good speakers know this because [TS]

  every good speakers ever bought has been [TS]

  this way and you know Casey like you [TS]

  know your your parents and and you know [TS]

  and my parents were both like you know [TS]

  super into music and hi-fi systems and [TS]

  you know we both grew up listening to [TS]

  speaker systems that were decades old [TS]

  and you know at many of those components [TS]

  still work today decades later that's [TS]

  exactly true so my dad's fancy fancy [TS]

  fancy stereo is 15-20 years old at this [TS]

  point and I know he has T loud speakers [TS]

  are now I'm having second thoughts I'm [TS]

  pretty sure he has T loud speakers [TS]

  there's a second set of speakers a [TS]

  second stereo in his house that is like [TS]

  that I believe they're Dahlquist s-- and [TS]

  i am almost sure he had those in his [TS]

  dorm room when he was a kid and my dad [TS]

  is 60 and change and he was in college [TS]

  when he was like 20 so he [TS]

  her point I think you might have had to [TS]

  replace a cone here there something like [TS]

  that but i % agree with what you're [TS]

  driving at that good speakers can last [TS]

  not literally forever but effectively [TS]

  freaking forever yeah in the tech world [TS]

  they last forever like you know relative [TS]

  to other products that we use and so the [TS]

  iPod hi-fi this this speaker that came [TS]

  out forever ago and was a flop is still [TS]

  totally functional today for the few [TS]

  people who have them because it had a [TS]

  line in jacket it has like this escape [TS]

  valve that like this future proofs this [TS]

  thing for a very long time you know and [TS]

  the home pod I understand why Apple's [TS]

  positioning it so much as like a good [TS]

  speaker because I said like that's [TS]

  playing to its strain sanding and trying [TS]

  to position it away from Apple's [TS]

  weaknesses in this product that's good [TS]

  but a good speaker is expected to last [TS]

  and to be useful you know if you're [TS]

  gonna be spending $350 for a good [TS]

  speaker and and that's just for one by [TS]

  the way like I think a lot of people are [TS]

  gonna end up wanting to for the way it [TS]

  feels bitten you know larger rooms [TS]

  better mm-hm you know if you can be [TS]

  spending this kind of money on a speaker [TS]

  it is convention in the industry that [TS]

  that speaker lasts and it doesn't have [TS]

  to last 50 years you know I I understand [TS]

  there's like complex processors going in [TS]

  there and lots of different tweeters and [TS]

  everything like that so it's more [TS]

  complex than most speakers but if this [TS]

  thing is a flop your and you know [TS]

  there's no guarantee that it will be but [TS]

  I'm saying like this thing is a flop and [TS]

  support for it dwindles and in the [TS]

  software over the next you know five 10 [TS]

  years whatever if you have one of these [TS]

  10 years from now if it has a line [TS]

  import you can still use it but if like [TS]

  the software ecosystem dries up or moves [TS]

  on this thing is now useless and I [TS]

  understand a lot of tech products are [TS]

  this way now this is honestly how much [TS]

  of Sonos has operated I'm in fact almost [TS]

  all of Sonos works this way and that's [TS]

  one of the reasons why I kind of don't [TS]

  like it but it just kind of rubs me the [TS]

  wrong way that like this product is so [TS]

  dependent on its internet connection the [TS]

  series servers backing it up and the [TS]

  proprietary airplay protocol and things [TS]

  like that that it's it makes it really [TS]

  hard to envision this thing being useful [TS]

  in 10 years yeah and to that end it's [TS]

  super surprising to me like you were [TS]

  saying that there's no just like [TS]

  input Jack and you are on here and I'm [TS]

  looking at the home pod specs and it [TS]

  says where is this it says shoot I just [TS]

  lost it [TS]

  lalala audio sources there we go it says [TS]

  Apple music itunes music purchases Eike [TS]

  Eike loud music library with an apple [TS]

  music or iTunes Match subscription which [TS]

  by the way is very cool I'm glad that I [TS]

  choose in iTunes mattress supported [TS]

  because I do still subscribe to that I [TS]

  guess that is another audio service to [TS]

  John's point earlier anyway [TS]

  beats will i/o beats one live radio what [TS]

  is it always on worldwide podcast that's [TS]

  still our play I think podcasts play a [TS]

  worldwide airplay other content - home [TS]

  pod from iphone ipad ipod touch apple TV [TS]

  and Mac you'll note that Bluetooth is [TS]

  not listed in the audio sources section [TS]

  however in the wireless section it lists [TS]

  802 11 AC Wi-Fi with mi mo direct guest [TS]

  access whatever the crap that means in [TS]

  Bluetooth 5 so I don't know if bluetooth [TS]

  is supported or not and again I [TS]

  apologize if I should know this but I [TS]

  have not had time to read up on any of [TS]

  this stuff lately but it is quite [TS]

  possible that that your point Marco [TS]

  airplay is the only way to get [TS]

  quote-unquote other audio into this [TS]

  thing and that just Sevilla and I am I [TS]

  love airplay like it has its problems [TS]

  don't get me wrong but I love airplay I [TS]

  use airplay all the time B oftentimes [TS]

  streaming Spotify to my Apple TV because [TS]

  it would be great if spot if I made a [TS]

  friggin Apple TV app but that's a [TS]

  different issue anyway I like airplay I [TS]

  think airplay works great and that seems [TS]

  to be the only mechanism to get other [TS]

  audio in here which I agree with you [TS]

  Marco is kind of bananas because you [TS]

  would think like at least give us a [TS]

  little like what is it an RCA jack or [TS]

  like a headphone jack or did you know [TS]

  what I'm thinking of it but what was [TS]

  either an 8 inch stereo headphone in [TS]

  Jack or a or a pair of RCA plugs right [TS]

  exactly like that would that would [TS]

  dramatically increase the usefulness of [TS]

  that of this thing in my personal [TS]

  opinion and here again like I think it's [TS]

  a bit of a stretch for me to say what [TS]

  I'm about to say but here's like another [TS]

  quote unquote open issue like if this [TS]

  was designed [TS]

  maybe openness is a poor choice of words [TS]

  maybe flexibility is a better word if [TS]

  this was designed to be more flexible [TS]

  then it may have some mechanism of [TS]

  physic [TS]

  audio input maybe it would have more [TS]

  software support for Spotify or friggin [TS]

  overcast or pocket cast whatever I don't [TS]

  care if overcast isn't your you know [TS]

  podcasting platform of choice but I do [TS]

  affair whoo you know what I mean though [TS]

  like anything it would be a god it's [TS]

  just so frustrating cuz I feel like this [TS]

  is right up my alley as someone who has [TS]

  music playing in the house almost always [TS]

  and I really mean that like I if silence [TS]

  just freaks me out I have to have music [TS]

  playing when I'm when I'm in the house [TS]

  just playing with declan or whatever I [TS]

  constantly have mice my stereo that my [TS]

  like home theater if you will stereo on [TS]

  playing some sort of music this would be [TS]

  perfect for me if I could get music into [TS]

  it from some mechanism other than [TS]

  airplay and I guess maybe the adult [TS]

  answer if you will is well your airplane [TS]

  to your Apple TV a lot of the time [TS]

  anyway so who cares grow up but I know [TS]

  it just it's so frustrating that it [TS]

  doesn't have to be that way that's [TS]

  that's not a good answer [TS]

  you know what I mean exactly like it [TS]

  doesn't feel right to me like why would [TS]

  I spend 3 or $50 to do something I'm [TS]

  already doing you know it's just well [TS]

  and also airplay is limited you know as [TS]

  I mentioned last episode airplay has [TS]

  certain latency in different scenarios [TS]

  even airplay to is going to have latency [TS]

  Apple TV is is going to be able to work [TS]

  with it by compensating for that and [TS]

  like delaying the video stream so it [TS]

  catches up with the audio properly but [TS]

  you know any other thing sent into it [TS]

  might not and so you know if your answer [TS]

  here is airplay or even Bluetooth which [TS]

  also has some latency you know that [TS]

  rules out things like using it as TV [TS]

  speakers for a lot of people setups [TS]

  rules out you know future audio [TS]

  components you might want to connect to [TS]

  it like honestly I know this this is not [TS]

  something Apple would want to enable but [TS]

  like if you really liked the Amazon echo [TS]

  service and wanted to buy a home pod for [TS]

  its audio if I had a line in you could [TS]

  plug in an echo dot to it and have it [TS]

  and have it be like have it receive [TS]

  audio from that like in my word that's [TS]

  something that people actually consider [TS]

  that for my kitchen like it's actually [TS]

  something like people could do and I [TS]

  know apples not gonna try to enable it [TS]

  for reasons like that but like they [TS]

  would probably saw more and it's just [TS]

  again like it's the audio world I feel [TS]

  like yeah and this is kind of a larger [TS]

  tech problem like you know Apple talks [TS]

  so much about their environmental [TS]

  responsibility and everything but they [TS]

  sure make a lot of really limited [TS]

  Elizabeth their recyclable you know I [TS]

  don't know some of us have this since we [TS]

  failed as a group to buy one I don't [TS]

  know if it works as a plain old [TS]

  Bluetooth speaker but imagine if Amazon [TS]

  ships the dot with Bluetooth and then [TS]

  the dot can use the home pod as a [TS]

  Bluetooth speaker but by the way all [TS]

  Amazon echos can already do that [TS]

  including the dots but as far as we know [TS]

  the home pod can't take bluetooth input [TS]

  as a speaker like the Bluetooth is there [TS]

  but it seems like it's there just for [TS]

  like its own private use it does seem [TS]

  like your phone calls [TS]

  perhaps oh yeah actually I bet you're [TS]

  right it's probably for the phone call [TS]

  profile but like you know blue it's [TS]

  exposed to certain profiles and you know [TS]

  there's some phone calls or something [TS]

  for being speakers for music and from [TS]

  what we know so far it does not expose [TS]

  the a2dp protocol for music and so or [TS]

  whatever the more modern ones are so it [TS]

  doesn't it doesn't seem front we know so [TS]

  far that it is capable of being a [TS]

  Bluetooth speaker you know by itself [TS]

  seems like you have to buy one to find [TS]

  out Karam hasn't said either way no one [TS]

  in the chatroom Balwyn either we failed [TS]

  as a collective well nobody has them yet [TS]

  there was something I'm pretty sure [TS]

  during the hour-long demo at Apple PR [TS]

  though that some people had they [TS]

  probably didn't want you to like pair [TS]

  your phone to it to see if I could run [TS]

  as a Bluetooth speaker yeah oh let me [TS]

  I'll bring an echo in what you'd see if [TS]

  the echo compared to it yeah another [TS]

  point about this is you know all of us [TS]

  are asking for like line in or RCA or [TS]

  you know basically a wire connected to [TS]

  the thing but it could be that the [TS]

  ubiquity of Bluetooth just washes over [TS]

  the entire industry and having bluetooth [TS]

  is becomes the equivalent of having a [TS]

  line in for most people like not [TS]

  high-end audio people because I would [TS]

  say you know $300 is expensive but it's [TS]

  not high-end audio [TS]

  expensive right no no it's it's high-end [TS]

  audio a mid-range mid-range I guess when [TS]

  you have two of them maybe it's made [TS]

  arrangement well okay in audio there's [TS]

  like there's three prices that [TS]

  everything is either nothing $300 or [TS]

  $50,000 like that's roughly to get the [TS]

  classes here yeah so anyway well it [TS]

  could be that we're just behind the [TS]

  market and having the ability to take [TS]

  glue to the input is sufficient for [TS]

  everybody in fact to what people want [TS]

  and then we just have to find out [TS]

  whether they can take them all so [TS]

  getting back to the hardware thing if it [TS]

  doesn't take bluetooth input now as long [TS]

  as the hardware is there there's no [TS]

  reason they can't change that later and [TS]

  then you can have your echo dot talking [TS]

  to your own pod scenario in your kitchen [TS]

  yeah maybe I mean that would be nice to [TS]

  have just to have options like that like [TS]

  I know that's a ridiculous thing but [TS]

  although I would probably actually I [TS]

  really might complain a little dot on [TS]

  top of it well that would cover up the [TS]

  little screen on it yeah like it just [TS]

  like again it you know case you [TS]

  mentioned earlier flexibility I would I [TS]

  would maybe use the word versatility [TS]

  like it's there are so many more things [TS]

  scenarios in which the home pod could be [TS]

  useful or could be compelling if it had [TS]

  just one or two of these walls knocked [TS]

  down a little bit but yeah over time [TS]

  maybe it will we'll see we are sponsored [TS]

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  right I want to tell a short story that [TS]

  is really an excuse to talk about a [TS]

  shopping experience I just had so I have [TS]

  my MacBook adorable and I have a USB c2 [TS]

  Ethernet adapter that also has three [TS]

  traditional USB ports on it and it's a [TS]

  little bit physically large but the [TS]

  problem is because I have a MacBook [TS]

  adorable that only has one port which [TS]

  usually doesn't bother me but [TS]

  occasionally does let's say I wanted to [TS]

  do a initial Time Machine backup which [TS]

  can take hours then I would have to make [TS]

  sure that I can do that before my [TS]

  battery depletes because this USB C [TS]

  Ethernet adapter does not have USB C in [TS]

  so I have no mechanism by which I can [TS]

  power my laptop all I'm using Ethernet [TS]

  which normally is not that big a deal [TS]

  but it's sometimes frustrating right [TS]

  well I also have a knockoff version of [TS]

  the Apple I forget the official term for [TS]

  it but the Apple adapter that has HDMI [TS]

  USB C in to provide power and a single [TS]

  USB what a you know traditional USB 3 [TS]

  port yes the $80 middle finger from [TS]

  Apple yeah well I think I got mine for [TS]

  like 15 or 20 bucks or something like [TS]

  that I'll put a link in the show notes [TS]

  of course I paid 80 for mine because I [TS]

  think I'd got mine from monoprice or [TS]

  something like that all again I'll have [TS]

  to dig it up I don't remember offhand [TS]

  but it were I've never had a problem [TS]

  with it it works great and it was a heck [TS]

  of a lot less than 80 bucks [TS]

  so it occurred to me this you know HDMI [TS]

  thing err that again has HDMI USB see in [TS]

  traditional USB that's actually a really [TS]

  nice way to add a single USB port while [TS]

  maintaining power so you know what I [TS]

  should do I should get a USB Ethernet [TS]

  adapter and this way if I do have a long [TS]

  running [TS]

  operation like a like a time machine [TS]

  back up I can plug this you know the [TS]

  old-school USB Ethernet adapter into my [TS]

  fancy pants not you know 80 but not [TS]

  actually $80 adapter into the macbook [TS]

  adorable so I bought a like $15 Ethernet [TS]

  adapter that runs over USB 3 I get it to [TS]

  the house and I bought it from Amazon I [TS]

  get it to the house and I did not do my [TS]

  due diligence and it requires a driver [TS]

  and that should have been enough to stop [TS]

  me but I was annoyed and I was like well [TS]

  screw it it's already here I don't wanna [TS]

  have to return it so I'll just install [TS]

  this driver so there I go installing a [TS]

  kernel extension that unequivocally came [TS]

  from China thinking to myself this is [TS]

  not a wise choice but Here I am here's [TS]

  our extension for a USB network adapter [TS]

  yeah I would have gone right back in the [TS]

  box for me well I understand that this [TS]

  was a terrible idea I don't need you to [TS]

  write into me anyone I understand I get [TS]

  it I understand China might be looking [TS]

  at every bit of network traffic that [TS]

  ever comes through this computer I get [TS]

  mean that's one problem also just like [TS]

  your computer is gonna suck now like [TS]

  it's gonna have you're gonna have [TS]

  stability issues no the next OS updates [TS]

  gonna probably break it like well so you [TS]

  should not say I am fully aware of all [TS]

  these that so I was just frustrated and [TS]

  in the heat of the moment I just went [TS]

  with it well then I do this kernel [TS]

  extension I know I tried to install this [TS]

  driver it installs just fine but I can't [TS]

  maintain a connection for more than like [TS]

  a minute or two and I decide you know [TS]

  what that is definitely not gonna work [TS]

  and even though this thing is only $15 [TS]

  I'm gonna have to return it so I go to [TS]

  return it on to Amazon which I've done [TS]

  like once or twice in the past but I [TS]

  think it was one of you guys had said [TS]

  this before like it takes a lot for me [TS]

  to return anything even to like a [TS]

  nameless corporation you know it's [TS]

  really bad for me to return something to [TS]

  a retail store I hate doing that because [TS]

  I just feel like a jerk oh yeah even if [TS]

  it's well within my you know an ability [TS]

  that's not the word I'm looking for but [TS]

  if it's well within my rights I guess [TS]

  for lack of a better word to return [TS]

  something I hate doing it I think Marco [TS]

  you've talked about this a lot and I [TS]

  feel exactly the same way [TS]

  I mean honestly to be fairly it's so [TS]

  easy to returns up to Amazon that I do [TS]

  return Swift Amazon at more of a regular [TS]

  person rate [TS]

  than anything else in my life there you [TS]

  go so perfect segue thank you all I'll [TS]

  send you a dollar later uh-huh so I [TS]

  decide to return this thing to Amazon [TS]

  and I start grumbling to myself because [TS]

  like I'm gonna have to box it up and [TS]

  then I have to mail it and it's gonna be [TS]

  a royal pain but one of the options I [TS]

  had was to return it to an Amazon locker [TS]

  I thought to myself you know I know [TS]

  there's at least a couple of lockers [TS]

  nearby don't be creepy I'm gonna try [TS]

  this so they say okay you can return it [TS]

  to an Amazon locker here's what you do [TS]

  we've given you a PDF that has a [TS]

  hilariously large like it almost looks [TS]

  like a mailing label except there was no [TS]

  postage required because it's going to [TS]

  add Amazon locker and given that this [TS]

  was a little USB adapter that was [TS]

  probably the size of a deck of cards [TS]

  like the box of it was roughly the size [TS]

  of a deck of cards I needed to put it in [TS]

  this like hilariously large box just to [TS]

  fit the stupid mailing label on it but [TS]

  be that as it may so far so good [TS]

  so I print that out I find a much larger [TS]

  box than I shouldn't that I should [TS]

  really need I tape it all I put it in [TS]

  the box I tape it a lot blah blah blah [TS]

  and I go to the Amazon locker how much [TS]

  did this thing cost again because now [TS]

  you're over running my like how much did [TS]

  you say $15 it was about 15 bucks [TS]

  there's a way over $15 right you've [TS]

  already spent it just I feel like I [TS]

  spent $15 worth of effort listening to [TS]

  this story so far well thanks a lot yeah [TS]

  if I if I had a $15 product that didn't [TS]

  work I would probably honestly just [TS]

  throw it away [TS]

  like I don't think I would go through [TS]

  this system normally I would agree [TS]

  normally I would not even think about it [TS]

  especially since my LLC bought this so [TS]

  it's like you know free money except not [TS]

  but whatever oh that works yeah I know [TS]

  but it's not like sometimes think about [TS]

  it but anyway you really should I know I [TS]

  shouldn't all right just leave me alone [TS]

  okay just let me finish so the point is [TS]

  that I decide to return his Amazon [TS]

  locker and I agree with you guys this [TS]

  was a hilarious amount of effort for [TS]

  something that I should have just thrown [TS]

  in the trash and walked away from but I [TS]

  was annoyed and I wanted to kind of send [TS]

  this back and say screw you this thing [TS]

  was a piece of garbage so I Drive to the [TS]

  Amazon locker and they give you a little [TS]

  code and so there's a screen in the [TS]

  middle of the lockers and you type in [TS]

  your like 6 digit or 6 character code [TS]

  whatever and I do that and then a locker [TS]

  just pop [TS]

  open which isn't entirely surprising [TS]

  that was kind of cool to see and I go to [TS]

  put my hilariously large box in this [TS]

  locker that was about three or four [TS]

  maybe three inches tall and this box was [TS]

  easily six or seven inches and I look at [TS]

  the box and I look at the locker and I [TS]

  looked at the box and I look at the [TS]

  locker and I think well crap this isn't [TS]

  gonna go well I'm like what do I do [TS]

  you throw it in the trash you consider [TS]

  this problem gone American you would [TS]

  have made that box fake just shove it in [TS]

  scrunch it up wait why was the box so [TS]

  big for like a little USB dongle thing [TS]

  because of a stupid mailing label like [TS]

  because the mailing label was easily [TS]

  like six inches wide for this teeny tiny [TS]

  little I think what I would have done is [TS]

  just like tape the mail label around the [TS]

  the item installation with make the men [TS]

  label and tape the box and just make [TS]

  sure the barcode is visible some well I [TS]

  was gonna say you're also supposed [TS]

  supposed to put something in like a [TS]

  different bar code in the box just in [TS]

  case but I agree with you well anyway [TS]

  the reason I bring this up though is [TS]

  because on the screen there was an [TS]

  option that said my box is too big I [TS]

  need a bigger locker please or whatever [TS]

  and so I closed that I closed the locker [TS]

  and I hit that button or I think I hit [TS]

  the button then closed the locker and [TS]

  sure enough a different one popped open [TS]

  and it fit just fine and this was this [TS]

  all happened yesterday [TS]

  and so then X can't be the story it's no [TS]

  in that and then I put my box into the [TS]

  locker I shut the locker I waited a day [TS]

  and they said they're gonna credit my [TS]

  credit card how cool is that I just [TS]

  thought that was such a neat about the [TS]

  option to say that your box is too big [TS]

  yeah to give like I'm really not messing [TS]

  with you I know but this establishment [TS]

  that's that's all in the cloud if you [TS]

  will figuratively speaking it's all in [TS]

  the cloud like there's there's no real [TS]

  Amazon brick-and-mortar stores except [TS]

  yeah well actually whatever whatever but [TS]

  the point is that they just install this [TS]

  was like a friggin Sunoco station that [TS]

  they had this locker at and I could [TS]

  drive to the Sunoco station don't be [TS]

  creepy and I could return my item [TS]

  without having to send anything in the [TS]

  without having to worry about postage [TS]

  without having to worry about whether or [TS]

  not the mail was open wait you know that [TS]

  when you return something they give you [TS]

  a prepaid UPS label but then I still [TS]

  would have to bring it to a UPS store [TS]

  UPS drop but let me tell you the UPS [TS]

  Drakh boxes are big enough to [TS]

  accommodate your package yes first of [TS]

  all there are tons of UPS doors and drop [TS]

  boxes everywhere second of all you can [TS]

  also hand it to any UPS driver anywhere [TS]

  so if you have a UPS driver who comes to [TS]

  your office everyday you can just bring [TS]

  it to work and leave it like the front [TS]

  us and say hey can you give this the you [TS]

  to the UPS guy like or if you are at [TS]

  home like I am and you see the UPS [TS]

  person either come to your house or go [TS]

  to a neighbor's house you can walk [TS]

  outside me like here we go that's it [TS]

  it's so easy I think that the second [TS]

  strategy only works for Marco where the [TS]

  UPS man comes to his house every single [TS]

  day exactly that's exactly right you go [TS]

  to you both go to offices where they [TS]

  definitely come every day like there's [TS]

  no like everything come to every office [TS]

  every day like also you have like a [TS]

  month to return it when you do this not [TS]

  the Amazon locker the Amazon locker you [TS]

  have one full business day thank you [TS]

  very much okay if if you do if you do [TS]

  the the UPS prepaid label which is the [TS]

  option you should always take they give [TS]

  you like a month to return it so it [TS]

  doesn't matter if the UPS guy does come [TS]

  to your house every day if somebody from [TS]

  UPS comes to your house at least once a [TS]

  month or you can find a drop box or past [TS]

  the UPS store at least once a month you [TS]

  just do that it's so my god I can't [TS]

  believe you spent that much effort [TS]

  because I know the reason I brought all [TS]

  this up was not about this particular [TS]

  stupid dongle it was not about you know [TS]

  whether or not this was the most [TS]

  effective way to return this item this [TS]

  was just my first experience with an [TS]

  Amazon Locker and I thought it was [TS]

  really freaking cool and I could see how [TS]

  having this at like Whole Foods is is [TS]

  would be really convenient and I just [TS]

  thought and I think that this is a [TS]

  company that that really exists only in [TS]

  the ether by most definitions right [TS]

  there's there's magic where in you know [TS]

  I click some buttons on like my keyboard [TS]

  in my mouse then something suddenly [TS]

  shows up at my house and I have no [TS]

  mechanism why where wherein I can [TS]

  physically take something and return it [TS]

  to them like yes I understand what you [TS]

  just said Marco [TS]

  let you pee it the same way it got there [TS]

  I get it but I understand but like I [TS]

  just thought that this was really [TS]

  freaking cool and and yes I understand [TS]

  okay you can nitpick everything I just [TS]

  said yes there's a local Amazon [TS]

  warehouse but no I couldn't have brought [TS]

  it there yes I can take you TBS that's [TS]

  true [TS]

  but I just thought that this was a [TS]

  really neat like half way in a really [TS]

  neat way to give themselves a foothold [TS]

  geographically without having to have a [TS]

  full-on brick-and-mortar store and if [TS]

  you end up cutting this from the [TS]

  released episode fine I just feel like [TS]

  it's really cool and after all the [TS]

  moaning and complaining we all did about [TS]

  the home pod I thought we would like a [TS]

  nice story and this to me was a nice [TS]

  story so you're gonna try that Amazon [TS]

  key thing next where you let Amazon open [TS]

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  so much to fracture for sponsoring our [TS]

  show so I wrote him a cap over the last [TS]

  couple of weeks yeah last last week you [TS]

  told us a little bit you kind of teased [TS]

  it a little bit if it was for photo [TS]

  management right yeah that's right so [TS]

  here's the situation a quick recap [TS]

  doctor Drang had written a or maybe he [TS]

  had a fixed or otherwise tweaked a [TS]

  series of scripts I'm not sure what what [TS]

  Genesis was but he had written or [TS]

  tweaked whatever a bunch of Python [TS]

  scripts to do some basic rearranging of [TS]

  files as after he like imports them so [TS]

  the idea is and here's how I used it so [TS]

  the idea is I have a single folder that [TS]

  has a shedload of files be that from the [TS]

  iPhone be that from my physical camera [TS]

  or by yellow on my big camera whatever [TS]

  but I want them all to be filed away in [TS]

  folders that are like you know the the [TS]

  root folder / 20 18 / 0 1 and then the [TS]

  the file names would be roughly ISO 8601 [TS]

  because this is one of the rare cases [TS]

  where I think I just so 8601 makes [TS]

  perfect sense so the file name would be [TS]

  something along the lines of 2018 - oh 1 [TS]

  - 31 and in my particular case I did a [TS]

  space which I know some people may not [TS]

  agree with whatever doesn't matter then [TS]

  the 24-hour time so something like 21 - [TS]

  53 - whatever seconds dot jpg right [TS]

  so all this script did was it would [TS]

  crack open all of these images it would [TS]

  look at the exif data to see when was [TS]

  this picture taken then it would rename [TS]

  that file to be you know the roughly [TS]

  8601 time and date [TS]

  and then it would file that away and [TS]

  copy it to the appropriate folder does [TS]

  that make sense so far as I won with me [TS]

  yep so this was working pretty well [TS]

  except it required like a whole bunch of [TS]

  third-party libraries because Python and [TS]

  I never had the confidence to like [TS]

  really tweak it because I sort of [TS]

  understand Python but I'm I can read it [TS]

  okay but I'm really really bad at [TS]

  writing it so I did it felt like an [TS]

  untenable solution like I shouldn't have [TS]

  something that's this important to me [TS]

  that I can't really work with plus HEV C [TS]

  and more importantly hei C happened and [TS]

  I wasn't confident that this script [TS]

  would work with either of those it may [TS]

  have for all I know but I wasn't [TS]

  confident and that that was just a straw [TS]

  that broke the camel's back and I said [TS]

  you know what screw it I'm gonna rewrite [TS]

  this I'm gonna do it in Swift and I'm [TS]

  gonna make a command line app to do it [TS]

  and so I wrote an app and it's about [TS]

  five five hundred lines and it's just [TS]

  used via the command line and what you [TS]

  do is you say here's the source folder [TS]

  where all of these files exist be it [TS]

  movies or images and here's the target [TS]

  folder and then it will do basically the [TS]

  same thing as this Python script did is [TS]

  it will open up these images or open up [TS]

  these movies figure out when they were [TS]

  taken when they when the snapshot [TS]

  happened or when the recording happened [TS]

  rename them and then file them [TS]

  appropriately [TS]

  it will also be smart enough to if you [TS]

  took like a burst and you actually kept [TS]

  the bursts [TS]

  it'll rename it to like you know [TS]

  something something something a [TS]

  something something something B [TS]

  something something something C etc [TS]

  cetera et cetera and so there wouldn't [TS]

  be any collisions and it will report it [TS]

  and when something like when I when I [TS]

  couldn't figure out when the picture was [TS]

  taken because sometimes for example with [TS]

  Instagram when you save a picture or [TS]

  maybe it's Instagram stories I forget [TS]

  what but one way or another sometimes [TS]

  there is no exif data so there's no [TS]

  reliable way to figure out when was this [TS]

  picture taken and and i have the option [TS]

  of falling back to like the file [TS]

  creation date but sometimes that works [TS]

  sometimes it doesn't blah blah so i [TS]

  wrote all this in swift and it's roughly [TS]

  500 lines it does not use any sort of [TS]

  third-party library there's no carthage [TS]

  there's no cocoapods because I'm not an [TS]

  animal and also because I didn't need [TS]

  anything and it felt really really good [TS]

  like I'm really happy with it it's not [TS]

  perfect but [TS]

  no this one is mine and it works for me [TS]

  and I have learned some new things [TS]

  during it for whatever reason I had [TS]

  never really had an occasion to use what [TS]

  old people will call anis operation [TS]

  queue what I would call just operation [TS]

  queue I'd never really had a need for [TS]

  that in the past and I used one and I [TS]

  actually found a bug because of it [TS]

  earlier today but that's a different [TS]

  story but nevertheless this thing is [TS]

  multi-threaded so it will it will you [TS]

  know spew a whole ton of threads and [TS]

  churn through all these files and rename [TS]

  them and move them well copy them and so [TS]

  on and so forth and I really am happy [TS]

  with this now do I plan to release it to [TS]

  anyone absolutely not because I wrote it [TS]

  for me it works only for me this is it's [TS]

  specifically designed to work for me and [TS]

  the code kind of looks like garbage [TS]

  because I'm not showing it to anyone nor [TS]

  do I really plan on open sourcing it [TS]

  because I don't really know what good [TS]

  will come from that other than people [TS]

  laughing it why this is crummy code [TS]

  because again I didn't make it super [TS]

  testable I didn't make it super robust [TS]

  because it's just for me it's okay but [TS]

  I'm really pleased with how it worked [TS]

  out and a couple of small bugs aside and [TS]

  I just thought it was a really neat [TS]

  learning experience and maybe the only [TS]

  thing that's super interesting for the [TS]

  listeners is to say sometimes scratching [TS]

  your own itch can really be helpful [TS]

  because now I can use operation queues [TS]

  with confidence in my work work and I [TS]

  understand that operation queue is in [TS]

  iOS like I am fully aware of that but [TS]

  for whatever reason I just never really [TS]

  had a need for it and now and I'm [TS]

  picking on this only because it's a [TS]

  silly example that that many many iOS [TS]

  developers have used in the past [TS]

  tomorrow I assume you've used operation [TS]

  queues at some point or another sponsor [TS]

  overcast I use many of them yeah exactly [TS]

  so maybe it's kind of weird that I [TS]

  hadn't had a need for one but for [TS]

  whatever reason I hadn't and now I've [TS]

  used them and so now I kind of know [TS]

  something and that's exciting and so I [TS]

  just thought it was a useful thing to [TS]

  share that you know if you're developer [TS]

  even if you're not learning a new [TS]

  language to do these sorts of things you [TS]

  know if you're not trying to use this as [TS]

  an excuse to teach yourself Python for [TS]

  example sometimes it's just nice to do [TS]

  something different in the language you [TS]

  already know and love so that's [TS]

  basically it that's all I got [TS]

  that's cool yeah like I think this is [TS]

  kind of one of the unspoken benefits of [TS]

  being a programmer and also just a [TS]

  computer user it's like if you as a [TS]

  computer user have a problem that you [TS]

  would like to be solved in a better or [TS]

  different way you know if it's something [TS]

  that can be reasonably easily programmed [TS]

  and you're a programmer you can just do [TS]

  it you can just make something that does [TS]

  this for you it's very empowering it's [TS]

  really amazing and it's one of the [TS]

  amazing things about modern computers [TS]

  like about all computers really that [TS]

  like you know that give people the power [TS]

  to do that if they learn the you know [TS]

  relatively accessible skill of [TS]

  programming like then you can do lots of [TS]

  cool things like this we know whether [TS]

  it's as simple as like you know an Excel [TS]

  macro all the way down to doing [TS]

  something cool like this with Swift and [TS]

  operation cues on you know on the [TS]

  command line this is just it's one of [TS]

  the great satisfactions and advantages [TS]

  of being a programmer is that you can [TS]

  you know if you have a problem there's a [TS]

  decent chance you can make a solution to [TS]

  it if one doesn't exist out there that's [TS]

  exactly what you want yep exactly right [TS]

  and and and I think your point that you [TS]

  just made is very important that this [TS]

  doesn't have to be writing a swift [TS]

  command line app this can be just like [TS]

  you said something in Excel it can be [TS]

  something with Automator again if you're [TS]

  one of those iOS weirdos like Federico [TS]

  and Mike and you can do this using [TS]

  workflow I mean it's all there's all [TS]

  sorts of different things you can do in [TS]

  in all different levels of the stack [TS]

  there are levels of abstraction and it's [TS]

  just really really nice and convenient [TS]

  and yeah there's a couple of minor bugs [TS]

  I need to work out it occurred to me [TS]

  earlier tonight that the problem with [TS]

  going multi-threaded is that as multiple [TS]

  threads are trying to figure out if [TS]

  there's name collisions sometimes the [TS]

  one thread will think there's not a name [TS]

  collision and by the time it gets to [TS]

  copying the file there will be a name [TS]

  collision which is unwise I need to I [TS]

  need to clean that up a little bit and [TS]

  make sure I have some gates in there [TS]

  where where those sorts of things are [TS]

  being figured out but nonetheless the [TS]

  point I'm driving at is whatever the [TS]

  level may be be it in assembly or be it [TS]

  in an Excel macro or anything in between [TS]

  it's just really really neat to be able [TS]

  to solve these sorts of problems for [TS]

  yourself and once I get this thing like [TS]

  really and truly locked in which I think [TS]

  I'm pretty darn close this is going to [TS]

  be perfect for me for [TS]

  ever because it was written for me like [TS]

  no III guess my first contracting [TS]

  assignment for for my newfound future [TS]

  which may or may not ever happen of [TS]

  being an iOS or or Mac contractor I [TS]

  hired myself I wrote this for myself and [TS]

  you know what I did a pretty great job [TS]

  it's perfect short of that one bug so [TS]

  it's it's this sort of thing like in [TS]

  again is the I can't stress enough like [TS]

  whatever your abilities may be there's [TS]

  something like this that you can do it [TS]

  may even be in workflow it may be [TS]

  whatever but there's something like this [TS]

  you can do and it feels so great once [TS]

  it's done [TS]

  forecast is another great example [TS]

  actually that was written entirely for [TS]

  you wasn't it like you never and [TS]

  sidetrack still is like sidetrack is is [TS]

  the is the drift sink utility like [TS]

  that's still written just for me in the [TS]

  language I already knew but doing [TS]

  something that was totally new to me [TS]

  like you know similar what you were just [TS]

  saying like it was wonderful and solved [TS]

  a really big problem I had editing [TS]

  podcast and lighting on people's tracks [TS]

  like it but you know and but like you [TS]

  know like you're probably gonna get at [TS]

  least two or three people asking you [TS]

  don't like open source says you know [TS]

  I've had handfuls of people ask me over [TS]

  the years that side to side track is now [TS]

  I think like four years old you know [TS]

  I've given to a few friends here and [TS]

  there but like it's it's not releasable [TS]

  like there's a lot like it works you [TS]

  know this is one of the advantages of [TS]

  making things for yourself it works for [TS]

  me most of the time right exactly like [TS]

  you know give it something it doesn't [TS]

  expect or or some kind of condition I [TS]

  didn't consider or that I never run into [TS]

  myself so it's not really tested and you [TS]

  know it might not work so well or might [TS]

  not work at all or it might do weird [TS]

  things and and so you know it like [TS]

  making something releasable and then [TS]

  releasing it is way different and way [TS]

  more work than making something that [TS]

  works for you and that's occasionally [TS]

  worth doing you know some things are [TS]

  worth release into the world for like [TS]

  the benefit of the world or maybe for [TS]

  some kind of business reason but but you [TS]

  know it there's nothing wrong with [TS]

  making things that are just for you that [TS]

  you never share with anybody or that you [TS]

  share with only a couple of friends like [TS]

  it doesn't have to be a releasable big [TS]

  thing like i have i usually use shell [TS]

  scripts for these kinds of tasks and i [TS]

  just like using shell scripts a lot but [TS]

  like I have a giant shell script that [TS]

  takes the input files from each of the [TS]

  podcasts I do so [TS]

  takes like my file the file you give me [TS]

  the file that John gives me for this [TS]

  show and it doesn't I don't even have to [TS]

  move them out of Dropbox anymore it goes [TS]

  and looks in Dropbox for the files where [TS]

  they're supposed to be mm-hmm moves them [TS]

  into the my project directory decodes [TS]

  them puts you know moves all the [TS]

  channels around decodes the weird call [TS]

  recorder files like you know it does all [TS]

  this stuff mostly by like calling out to [TS]

  ffmpeg and stuff like that lines them [TS]

  all up and outputs all the right files [TS]

  and it's just a big shell script and I [TS]

  made it just for me just to help me with [TS]

  this task I do every week that's kind of [TS]

  tedious if I do it manually and it's [TS]

  great and like just the ability of [TS]

  programmers to do this is just it's so [TS]

  wonderful and productive like as to be a [TS]

  power user of a computer than to also be [TS]

  able to do at least a little bit of [TS]

  program and you can just make the [TS]

  computer work so much better for you and [TS]

  take them to and take even more [TS]

  advantage of the massive amount of [TS]

  computational power that is at our [TS]

  fingertips just waiting for the right [TS]

  software to come along and actually use [TS]

  it one uh one other final thought on [TS]

  this which I forgot to mention earlier [TS]

  the I do have a problem with this thing [TS]

  that I've written and the problem that I [TS]

  have is that now I kind of want to make [TS]

  a full-on Mac app like not a command [TS]

  line app like a full-on GUI Mac app [TS]

  where it'll basically that's my problem [TS]

  with the thing you wrote the fact that [TS]

  you called it a Mac app and I was all [TS]

  excited Wow in case you wrote a man [TS]

  shell script in Swift as much as I [TS]

  really want to get angry and argue with [TS]

  you I think that is actually a fair [TS]

  characterization but um but now I kind [TS]

  of do want to want to mark I usually [TS]

  make overcast for the Mac but just make [TS]

  it you know a command line script thing [TS]

  that just hits hits the web into Ray's [TS]

  endpoints and pulls down the audio that [TS]

  way it would just be a shell script just [TS]

  like pipe it to like you know hey am [TS]

  play or whatever this is a really long [TS]

  alias for a curl command yeah but no now [TS]

  I do kind of want a GUI apps so rather [TS]

  than just going on faith that this will [TS]

  work which again short of this one bug [TS]

  has worked pretty well the few times [TS]

  I've used it so far but I'd actually I'm [TS]

  thinking about maybe quote-unquote [TS]

  upgrading this to be a full-on GUI app [TS]

  such that this way I can kind of stage [TS]

  okay here's what we think this file [TS]

  should be named and here's where it will [TS]

  belong it [TS]

  like image capture like make it [TS]

  like image capture like make it [TS]

  as much money I wanted to be nicer [TS]

  inside probably you know I'm thinking [TS]

  like well the Volvo is probably nicer [TS]

  inside than this thing oh very much so [TS]

  yeah and it's similar price and also [TS]

  bigger and so you're trading a lot it [TS]

  seemed like down market in exchange for [TS]

  sportiness I was surprised at how much [TS]

  Headroom it seemed to have that was [TS]

  pretty nice but even with the sunroof [TS]

  things seemed like you had enough room [TS]

  to put a helmet on in there you could [TS]

  fit your tall hair yeah and I do have [TS]

  tall hair but I mean again I've never [TS]

  really had an interference fit with my [TS]

  head in a slam roof so I can't say that [TS]

  I'm surprised by that I don't think I'm [TS]

  a good judge of these things in some of [TS]

  the footage that I filmed I did make [TS]

  direct comparisons to Aaron's car but [TS]

  part of the reason I left that out well [TS]

  a lot of it was that was early on and [TS]

  basically I'd never come up with like a [TS]

  formal script for anything I record I do [TS]

  have some like broad talking points that [TS]

  I think through when I'm when I'm [TS]

  recording but I don't have a script or [TS]

  anything like that and so footage that I [TS]

  filmed early in the week I made a lot of [TS]

  comparisons Darren's car but it just [TS]

  seemed like that wasn't terribly [TS]

  relevant because as you said John like I [TS]

  haven't formally reviewed Aaron's car [TS]

  and so I think when I do the video [TS]

  review of Aaron's car I will probably [TS]

  make some comparisons to the stell vo [TS]

  but I think to do that in the reverse [TS]

  order would have been ill-suited but [TS]

  yeah I think you didn't hit the nail on [TS]

  the head like Aaron's car is not [TS]

  particularly sporty it given that it's a [TS]

  freaking whale it moves pretty well his [TS]

  car moves pretty well but it's not fast [TS]

  this thing felt actually reasonably [TS]

  quick and moved in turn you know handled [TS]

  really well all told I was very very [TS]

  surprised by that and so I think you're [TS]

  right in saying that you would give up [TS]

  some luxury in moving from a Volvo xc90 [TS]

  or perhaps an XC 60 which is a more [TS]

  direct competitor to this you would give [TS]

  up a little bit of luxury but you would [TS]

  gain a lot of sportiness I haven't tried [TS]

  the xc60 the brand new xc60 cuz that [TS]

  just got revamped this year to be [TS]

  basically a mini version of Aaron's car [TS]

  but another part of the reason why I [TS]

  didn't think it was a fair comparison is [TS]

  because this is more x3 whereas the the [TS]

  xc90 that we have is more like an x5 or [TS]

  even a quote-unquote x7 if you will [TS]

  because it's you know ours is 3 row [TS]

  whereas I don't think you can get an X [TS]

  with third row and even if you can its [TS]

  it's not really a direct competitor in [TS]

  my personal opinion even though maybe [TS]

  like officially speaking it is so I [TS]

  didn't think a lot of direct comparisons [TS]

  would make sense but yes very much [TS]

  Erin's car is very much more luxurious [TS]

  this car is very much more sporty [TS]

  because a whole class of car [TS]

  the sporty small medium small SUV is [TS]

  incredibly stupid it most most [TS]

  adequately pointed out in your video [TS]

  bye-bye the tiny slit of a back when I [TS]

  come on oh it's already like it's [TS]

  already big and like you could have just [TS]

  made a wagon or a car but instead you [TS]

  made this big shoe thing and then it has [TS]

  bad visibility out the back and no [TS]

  luggage space and it's just like what [TS]

  are you even doing it's like you just [TS]

  take a regular car that has like if you [TS]

  just had regular car proportions the [TS]

  trunk we bigger the visibility to be [TS]

  better the handling will be better what [TS]

  would you be losing off-road ability [TS]

  would you be losing that forget it like [TS]

  it's ridiculous they just make cars [TS]

  uglier and worse for no reason and [TS]

  people like the bottom because they set [TS]

  up I so I'm just angry about that all [TS]

  class of cars but it's the continued [TS]

  like ridiculous contortions Americans [TS]

  will do to not buy a wagon yeah yeah [TS]

  it's true but anyway I don't know I'm [TS]

  pretty pleased with the video like again [TS]

  I'm not saying it's perfect by no means [TS]

  am i saying it's perfect there are [TS]

  plenty of things I would change about it [TS]

  if I had infinite time and infinite [TS]

  budget and so on and so forth [TS]

  but I am pretty proud of it I am very [TS]

  glad to have had the car I I think it's [TS]

  it's a neat car even though it's not for [TS]

  me and the question I'm trying to figure [TS]

  out or the thing I'm trying to answer is [TS]

  you know how can I get something other [TS]

  than an Alfa Romeo to play with and yes [TS]

  some listeners have offered their cars [TS]

  but I had this thing for a week and I [TS]

  barely had enough time to film and [TS]

  photograph what I wanted so even though [TS]

  there are some people even locally you [TS]

  have a newborn well again and well I [TS]

  mean it's not just a heavy new there's [TS]

  there's good reasons but even so like [TS]

  even so like with the julia role granted [TS]

  i was working at that point but i i [TS]

  don't think i would have the time or [TS]

  ability to pull a dog demure which from [TS]

  what I understand like he shows up he [TS]

  uses a car for a couple hours or [TS]

  something like that records and [TS]

  disappears like I am nowhere near that [TS]

  and so in order for me to be able to do [TS]

  another car I need to have something [TS]

  that'll have like significant amounts of [TS]

  time with so some listeners have been on [TS]

  and just kind enough to offer me hey you [TS]

  know if I'm ever in Richmond I'll let [TS]

  you know what yes please do or you know [TS]

  a if you if you want to you know borrow [TS]

  the car for you know a couple hours feel [TS]

  free which is super kind of these people [TS]

  but it's not enough for me like it [TS]

  should be enough but it isn't and so I'm [TS]

  trying to figure out like what's the [TS]

  next step I did email the Tesla PR [TS]

  people and have gotten no response which [TS]

  is completely expected asking them to [TS]

  give me anything that they would be [TS]

  willing to give me but even like if [TS]

  underscore drove his car down for a day [TS]

  like I would need more than I think just [TS]

  a weekend with his car to be able to get [TS]

  what I wanted out of it and to really [TS]

  understand it from the perspective of a [TS]

  driver rather than a passenger so it's [TS]

  minoo what the mechanism is to branch [TS]

  out other than just using cars that are [TS]

  in my life like Aaron's car like [TS]

  potentially my car like my dad's [TS]

  Corvette if he'll ever give me the keys [TS]

  ever but we'll see what happens like [TS]

  it's it's a tough nut to crack but no [TS]

  matter what and we talked about this a [TS]

  lot on analog it's still fun like and [TS]

  I'm not making money off of it at this [TS]

  point and that's unfortunate but okay [TS]

  and to be honest I wouldn't really be [TS]

  making more than like a Panera Bread [TS]

  Mille worth of money off of this level [TS]

  of viewership anyway so I'm not really [TS]

  losing if you will much of anything but [TS]

  it's been it's been fun and I'm and I've [TS]

  been scratching and creative itch that [TS]

  I've never scratched before so that [TS]

  feels real good too [TS]

  yeah I mean and keep in mind like you [TS]

  know if I mean you know the reason why [TS]

  is somebody like this demure character [TS]

  can do this is like he's been doing this [TS]

  so long that like he knows how to get [TS]

  what he needs quickly forgetting the [TS]

  shots and everything so by doing this [TS]

  more you you will take less time in the [TS]

  future like as you get better at this [TS]

  you'll also get faster at it oh yeah the [TS]

  turnaround on this was way quicker cuz I [TS]

  had the video done within a couple of [TS]

  days I think was the day after was it [TS]

  was it know is the day I gave the car [TS]

  back I think as wasn't yesterday was a [TS]

  day before right no no it was yesterday [TS]

  actually it was it was yesterday morning [TS]

  it was the Tuesday morning so [TS]

  within a day of the car going back I had [TS]

  the video done whereas with the Julia it [TS]