H.I. #96: The Humblehug
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looking pretty rough these days it's a
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neck to coat Jesse Plemons in case
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people think it actually isn't so this
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chief tactical officer he's sort of a
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second place invisible guy at the
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company like the actual CEO has taken
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all of the glory and he's just there
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doing all the grunt work to actually
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make the thing work he's like a genius
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loser yeah he's a genius loser excellent
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that's an excellent way to put it yeah
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and what he has done is he has created
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at home a private version of this online
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universe he's turned it into like a Star
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Trek simulator for himself that he can
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play in and what he has done at work is
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people that have slighted him or people
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that he seems interested in in some
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he has a machine where if he has a piece
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of their DNA he can reproduce them in
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the simulation of this Star Trek
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universe that he has at home and he has
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them like trapped inside of this
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simulation and because it's his he's
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powerful in the simulation and he forces
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them to go along with this fantasy
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version of Star Trek where he is the
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captain and he gets to act out on them
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in ways that he couldn't in the real
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world so he's able to like bully the guy
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who bullies him at work and live in this
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fantasy world at home with these
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captured simulations of the people that
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he works with he quite missed rates them
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yes as time goes by we realize he's
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mistreating them and psychologically
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torturing some of them yes so if I had
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to guess Brady I'm gonna guess your your
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main problem with this was my main
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problem is that he has this machine that
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can read the DNA of his coworkers and it
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can recreate them in the simulation
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which I'm totally fine with so far so
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good but somehow they have the memories
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of the people in the office
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right up until the moment he has taken
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their DNA swab which I feel like is a
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major problem in the structure of the
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story it is very hard to get around how
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do these people recreate it from their
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DNA remember what their life was like it
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is a big thing to put to one side
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intellectually yeah but I was able to do
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it I just sort of just that it was in my
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head a lot it was bothering me because I
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felt like it was structurally solvable
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pretty well yeah in the episode it's
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like look just have a machine at the
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office where you're scanning people to
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make models for your game and he's
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secretly installed a brain scanner as
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well and nobody knows right like just
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yeah you can just add one more magic
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piece of technology and it's fine then I
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can get past it but obviously with all
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these things you have to have some kind
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of suspension of disbelief and it's
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always that delicate balance but I did
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feel like ooh God the initial scene when
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our our main protagonist is waking up in
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the Star Trek simulation and she doesn't
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speak for a while and she's wandering
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around the ship I was I was literally in
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my head I was saying to myself please
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don't let her have the memories of the
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person who just got scared like please
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don't let her have the memories it'll be
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a much better episode if she doesn't
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have like ah she has the memories that's
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but yeah so yeah I was able to get past
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it but I felt like that was yeah that
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was no good and really I'm solvable it
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was the big problem other things I
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didn't like about it I'll just quickly
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get out of the way mm-hmm humor mostly
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worked but there are a few times when it
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tried to be really confronting with like
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you know a bit of vulgar language you'll
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have a big moment where it was like wow
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wow that was awesome mm-hm and that
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sometimes felt a bit forced like another
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thing I guess I didn't totally like was
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some of the resolution was dealt with in
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bit of an action film II type way
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breaking into a house or doing something
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or flying a ship in some action II way I
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just felt like it was a bit beneath - oh
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that was so clever and intellectual for
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it to have a few action muscular moments
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that saved the day but it didn't really
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bother me yeah the the beneath it
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comment there I think is is on point
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because not to bring it up but there
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a few moments that reminded me of Star
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Wars in that they're doing humor but
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they're doing like a genre joke like
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when I watch these episodes this meta
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story about being in the matrix in some
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way I find very stressful to watch if
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it's even done with a little bit of
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competence right and and black mirror
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has a lot of competence and so the very
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proposition that these characters can be
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here for ungodly amounts of time or they
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can suffer in indescribable ways like I
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find that just very anxiety inducing
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because I feel like there's something
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that is like a real problem here that we
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may have to face at some point in the
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future in the way that other works of
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fiction don't get me in the same way
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like black mirror really amps up my
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anxiety very high you're really worried
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about the welfare of your iPad aren't
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you it's not a joke but I really am I
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made that all kind of comment many
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episodes ago but I really do think that
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there is a way that all of our computers
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could be silently screaming and we're
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just unable to perceive it so I really
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think there is a genuine problem here
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that a lot of these stories are trying
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to express but this was the first black
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mirror episode that there were a number
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of points where it was doing something
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serious and then it undercuts with a
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joke in the same way and I thought like
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oh god please please don't let this kind
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of humor infect everything and I'm
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afraid that this sort of humor is
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popular with audiences and I just can't
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stand it when it's a little bit too
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Winky at the camera and for me this
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episode that the pinnacle moment of that
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is in the final culmination when they're
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there in their spaceship and they're
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and she's like okay we we can go and
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that the guy who's gonna drive the
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spaceship doesn't do anything and he
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says oh you're supposed to say engage
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right or make it so or something like
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that and she says she's just can go
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right like but it's played as a joke and
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it's like nobody would do that under the
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circumstance like they're all trying to
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escape the guy who's driving the ship
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would not make like a genre joke at this
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moment it was very strange
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it's very strange I'll say the two
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things I liked most about it okay one
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was I loved what they did with the look
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of it how at the start it was like four
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by three aspect ratio and really crummy
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effects like the early days of Star Trek
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because this guy the main character he
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loves this show called space fleet which
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is essentially Star Trek and I loved how
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it evolved through the show without you
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kind of realizing until the final couple
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of scenes when they're like all
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futuristic in their uniforms have become
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all modern Star Trek even has like all
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the JJ Abrams lens flare all over the
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place it was really clever the way they
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evolved through the show the way Star
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Trek has evolved over the years I
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thought that was really nice I noticed
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it more the second time you know it was
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so gradual and subtle that I thought
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that was really like that and the other
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thing I thought was really excellent was
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all the performances were good but
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especially the performance of fat Matt
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Damon Jesse Plemons who he played a
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great game as an actor I I loved the
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contrast between what he was like as
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nerdy guy in the office and then I loved
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the way he played the captain the way he
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affected his voice and hid the swagger
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he had in the look like I feel like he
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was having so much fun playing at going
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between those two characters I've seen
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him act in other things before and just
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thought I he's okay but I thought he he
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had a real stonker in this episode and I
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tip my hat to him it was a really really
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fun good performance in lots of ways
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yeah it was interested they did a great
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job with the fake Star Trek I kept
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thinking like oh um it looks like they
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spent a lot of money on these sets and
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the costumes and everything and I kept
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kind of thinking back to that episode I
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think it was last season where they had
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the bees like the bees are attacking
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people and they had the worst cheapest
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looking CGI bees and it was like they
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had run out of money at the end of the
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season to do the effects on that show
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and I was like oh great like someone
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decided hey give the black mirror people
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a bunch of budget and they made a really
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great fake sixties esque looking ship it
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was like a real set and the costumes
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they did a fantastic job I think they
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got some people who really liked Star
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Trek in to capture a lot of the look of
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without having it be Star Trek but
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everything looks so Star Trek II they
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must have gotten the Galaxy Quest team
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on this one where it's like Galaxy Quest
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did the same thing it's like an amazing
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job Galaxy Quest perhaps the best Star
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Trek movie ever made so yeah all of that
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was that was done really well and now
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that you say it I feel like I didn't
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really notice the evolution over time
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from the older to the more modern but
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now that you mention it I can see it's
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much more obvious the last couple of
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scenes have got that really really oh
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yeah lens flare like almost like
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offensive over-the-top we're like you
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know how like JJ Abrams just went crazy
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with it for a while there it was really
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like that that's when it became really
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obvious oh I see what you've done there
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for the record I love the JJ Abrams Star
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Trek lens flare I actually and I'm a big
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fan of that I like to thumbs-up on that
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one because there was there was one
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point where they're in this Star Trek
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universe and there's a monster that
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appears that's a CGI monster and my note
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was actually that I thought it should
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still look like the 60s monster because
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I thought the CGI seemed a little bit
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out of place where there's like people
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in bad costumes and then this very
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good-looking CGI monster appears but now
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it makes more sense in retrospect that's
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like know now that they were cranking up
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the look of the show and I was still
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thinking of it like that that opening
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scene shot in 4:3 that had really
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terrible in terms of the
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thought-provoking side of it because
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that's you know even when there's a few
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plot holes in black mirror and there
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often is because they're just putting it
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so far out there but they always get you
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thinking don't they and in terms of the
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thing that I was thinking about was not
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as much the the torture of computers
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although that obviously was a big part
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of the thing you know what's it like to
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live in this in a simulation is a
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inhumane the thing that I was thinking
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about was the interestingness of whether
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or not the villain of the piece you know
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our captain was actually doing anything
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wrong because like in real life he was
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polite and decent and other than the
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fact he stole a bit of saliva off a can
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of drink which is a bit creepy he was
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like a normal nice guy albeit a bit shy
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and stuff and as far as he was concerned
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and all he was like being cruel to were
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virtual things he was just like you know
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virtually acting out his fantasy of
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being a domineering captain and a
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you know on the deck treating women a
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bit disrespectfully but it was like it
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was his fantasy that he would never do
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in real life so he was doing all these
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things like in his head and in a game
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and yet as the show went along it was
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like he was being portrayed as a bad
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human so I think one of the questions
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that show raises is are we a bad person
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if we do bad things in our fantasies
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yeah what did he know how cruel it was
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did he know those people in the game had
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feelings and were like I don't know did
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he know that what did and did they were
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they real yeah I mean there's many
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things him I read on the episode is that
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he knows yeah that's my take on it is he
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knows that they're real with real
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experiences and he knows that he's
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torturing them in this simulation so he
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deserves he's come up in this yeah I
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think he does deserve his comeuppance
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that question is the same question that
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I feel like Westworld got at really
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deeply as well is if we presume that
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there is a way to know that the
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simulations or the robots are not
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conscious and they have no experiences
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is a person a bad person for in quotes
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torturing them in ways that we would
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recognize as torture to a real conscious
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person and I think my take on this is
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strictly morally speaking no nothing
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wrong is is happening here and if a
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person who tortures conscious less
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in real life is a polite person who
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never harms anybody and it's just like a
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regular member of society they don't
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think that they're doing anything
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but there is a little asterisk here
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which is like even if they're only ever
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acting out fantasies in a virtual world
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the intensity or duration of time that
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they spend in that virtual world like
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tells you something about that person in
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the same way that's like there is nobody
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on the face of the earth who hasn't at
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some point had some dark fantasies about
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revenge against their jerk boss right
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everybody has done that it's like a
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reflexive human thought but you would
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feel differently if you knew that
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someone was constantly thinking about
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revenge against their boss even wrote a
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book about it yeah like even if you knew
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they had no intentions to do it in the
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real world but you also knew that they
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just constantly thought about torturing
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their boss to death I feel like it would
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tell you something about that person
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even if they never act out on that yeah
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I feel like this is the conclusion I've
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had to come to thinking about all of
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these like simulation stories nothing
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wrong is happening assuming that there
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is no conscious suffering but it's not
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like a great indicator if somebody
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spends all of their free time in a Star
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Trek simulation torturing a virtual
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version of their boss even if that
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virtual boss does not suffer yeah I
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guess the fact that as the show develops
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and they try to escape and then he
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realizes they're trying to escape and
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sort of tries to put the cork in the
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bottle shows that maybe he does realize
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there's some kind of consciousness or
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going on but yeah I think there's a lot
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to indicate that he knows that they are
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conscious that he is aware of this and
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at the end when he's trying to prevent
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them to escape yes without a doubt he
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knows that they are conscious because
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otherwise it doesn't make any sense that
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is also like the very end of the episode
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is where it there is a little bit more
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that starts falling apart for me because
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it's like oh they're trying to escape
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from him but he's like the administrator
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of the computer that they're on he
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doesn't have to chase them in a
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virtual spaceship like he can just pause
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the game and shut down the computer at
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any point he want like they engage in
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this weird chase scene that feels
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totally bizarre and forced to have a
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moment of action like you're saying it's
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like they want some kind of dramatic
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action he ending to the movie and
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they're going to make it happen whether
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or not it makes sense in the rules of
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this universe or not they somehow took
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away some of his powers didn't they when
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they took his controller and stuff I got
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a bit convoluted but and yeah he could
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have woken up I guess and pulled the
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power plug out but maybe he didn't want
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to lose this world he'd crafted over so
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long but but he was still it's like I've
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run programs on my computer there's ways
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to just pause them pressure and change
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what the variables are he had his
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all-powerful controller back anyway
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there's some things that just don't make
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sense it's like oh he can torture them
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with his mind at any point that he wants
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but not remotely it doesn't make any
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sense there it's like it did feel a bit
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like black mirror was going in the big
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dumb action movie route yeah and also
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having a subplot where someone breaks
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into his apartments to steal the DNA and
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I was like how did she this random
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intern at a company become like a like a
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great cat burglar or like how did she
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get up this building it doesn't make any
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sense as dumb this was my problem with
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it as well hey when I say it went
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beneath it's safe it was a bit it gotta
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be done at the end but I also thought
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the end maybe was a bit the last few
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seconds was maybe a bit crackers okay so
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in the ending the the characters escape
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his main computer and they get out into
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the actual online version of the game
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into the cloud they escaped into the
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cloud yeah there's a dumb part in this
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ending because these are conscious
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people the main character from her
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perspective two days ago was a human
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living in the world and is now trapped
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in a video game simulation for eternity
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and they do have the ending be like a
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weird well we now have this universe to
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explore like let's go fly around in our
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spaceship which is a totally bizarre
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ending well I don't know how else they
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could end it because she can't get out
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she can't go and have like a body and
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he still exists in the world the real
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her sons she has no option really I mean
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what they wanted to do and what they
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were trying to do of course was commit
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suicide they all thought they were going
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to die which is what they wanted the
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fact they ended up getting to live and
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have free will and an adventure and not
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be dominated was kind of like a surprise
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bonus mm-hmm so if there's one thing
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black mayor has taught us is that if you
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are a computer simulation you will long
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for oblivion like nothing else that is
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the only thing that you want is to
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simply not exist and that was their goal
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in in this show yeah but the ending felt
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strange to me and it did feel like a big
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dumb actually movie because it was like
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they wanted a positive upbeat ending I
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think maybe that's gonna be a trend in
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this series oh my god I really hope not
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the one thing I like about Black Mirror
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is I feel like that they're not afraid
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to follow the conclusion to its end yeah
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and I kind of thought that I was that
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the the ending of this episode would
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redeem itself because the natural
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conclusion is actually it leans right
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into a typical black mirror horrifying
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ending which is no you don't get to die
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now you're in the game universe and
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guess what there's just players here who
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are real people who you can be tormented
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by or you have to run away from or fight
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and it will never end you're just stuck
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here there is no world for you
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that's left over like that that feels
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like a really horrifying ending and it
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was it was weird to be like Oh second
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star to the right and straight on until
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morning like let's go it was a strange
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ending to me and it felt like they
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diverted from the natural conclusion
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that that should be drawn from
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everything that has happened in the
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episode yeah I will say when you talk
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about things that to think about though
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I feel like the episode also missed out
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on what is the far more interesting
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question and is also why like I get
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these anxiety attacks from Black Mirror
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which is okay take the whole episode as
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red people are cloned inside a computer
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and they escape into the cloud version
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how would they ever be able to convince
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people on the outside that they're real
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conscious creatures and I feel like that
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is really a thing that we're going to
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come up against at some point that some
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piece of software is going to play the
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but no really I'm conscious and I'm
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having experiences please let me go and
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like this episode brushes up against
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that idea at the end which is like how
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would they convince people in the
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outside world that they are real and
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because of the my thoughts on
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consciousness which we talked about many
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times like I'm not convinced there ever
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will be a way to know for sure and then
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it just comes down to like a weird
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arbitrary how easily can a piece of
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software convince a human test that is
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arbitrary and and meaningless and it's
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unsettling to think that we might not be
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able to know wow this is a theme of lots
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of families we've reviewed isn't it ex
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machina and hair and things like that
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yeah it's all these things I will say
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there was there's one little detail that
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I did quite like in the episode which I
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felt like filled out a bit of the black
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mirror universe which is when they do
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try to reach out and tell people that
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they're in the computer in her text
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message it says call the cyber police
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and I like that it's just a little
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reference to maybe in this this near
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future black mirror universe this
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concept of conscious creatures being
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trapped in simulations like this is a
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thing that the cyber police have to deal
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with that they sometimes have to like
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break into somebody's house because
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they're holding simulations captive in
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their basement I kind of like that this
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was just referenced and not explained in
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any way and I just like in my own head I
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can imagine what the cyber police are
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and it's like oh yeah they're the police
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that go around trying to rescue
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simulations that are trapped by
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in their own private worlds alright very
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are you gonna watch the rest of the
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series Brady I've already watched two
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other episodes yeah well don't tell me
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what you think about them now because
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that will be spoilers you know I
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you know how I think it was for my
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birthday back in June I got given the
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Lego Saturn rocket with like a nearly
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2,000 pieces of course and the big joke
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was you know I wouldn't get around to
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making it and all this other stuff so I
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still haven't made it okay it's still
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sitting in a box in my spare room but
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after much stalking and attempt to buy
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something that was unobtainable I have
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now bought something that I wanted to
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show you okay hang on no there goes
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Brady Brady is holding up a gigantic box
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that is a Star Wars Millennium Falcon
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it's the ultimate collector series
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Millennium Falcon I think it's the
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biggest Lego set they've ever made it
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has like over 5,000 pieces or something
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►
like that I know someone who made it and
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►
it took them two weeks I mean that is
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for sure the biggest Lego box I've ever
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►
seen that's quick that box is the size
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of your whole torso that thing's crazy
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►
yeah it's artsites about the size of two
◼
►
microwave ovens and heavier than that it
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looked pretty heavy to pick up that was
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►
not an easy lift holy cow is this a new
◼
►
thing that looks really awesome it came
◼
►
out like last year and only special Lego
◼
►
VIPs could buy it and then a few of them
◼
►
started dribbling it onto the Lego black
◼
►
market but with huge markups in price
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►
it's quite expensive as it is
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►
I was just stalking the lego website
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they kept saying coming soon coming soon
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►
and then the other day I went on there
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►
and you could buy one so I bought one
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you could only buy one you're not
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►
allowed to buy multiple boxes so I
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bought my one and it said it would come
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sometime in February or something but
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then it came really quickly and it's a
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magnificent box it is a magnificent box
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►
but Brady you know I have to ask yeah
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►
are you going to assemble it well I do
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►
wonder if it's beyond my skill set
◼
►
apparently it's like it's advanced like
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►
there are different levels of Lego
◼
►
making when you buy things they say this
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►
is for beginners this is intermediate
◼
►
right this is like advanced Lego making
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►
right I guess what I'm wondering is on
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is it like for Brady's and above or for
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above Brady's like is that the skill
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level that's on the side there it seems
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►
to say 16 plus I think I feel like
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►
you've got that covered then if it's 16
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►
plus you should be able to handle that
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►
right I think I need to make the rocket
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►
to like get my skills up oh okay as a
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►
practice project before I move on to
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►
this apparent I haven't opened the box
◼
►
yet cuz it's like still very very sacred
◼
►
object to me but apparently the
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►
instructions that come with it it's like
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►
the Bible it's like a book that comes
◼
►
with it to tell you how to make it it's
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►
not like a leaflet it's like a hatch at
◼
►
home I wonder if they're if they have to
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►
resort to words in their manual or if
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►
they can do it entirely with the Lego
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►
pictures oh I don't know yet it's a good
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►
question I mean that looks like that
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►
might require some words about how to do
◼
►
things but I do love the pictures only
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►
Lego manuals yeah I mean you having
◼
►
shown me this thing I feel like Brady
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►
the Saturn rocket Lego box I can see why
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►
you might not want to assemble it
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►
because at least that box is long and
◼
►
tall it is conceivable that there would
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►
be a universe where you could mount that
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►
box on a wall it might be a little
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►
awkward but you could do it but the
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►
thing that you picked up and showed me
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►
is just a gigantic q yeah storage
◼
►
nightmare although it is a beautiful box
◼
►
like that the artwork on it they've gone
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►
simple and classic they haven't put too
◼
►
much childishness on it they've made a
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►
beautiful box mm-hmm but indeed it is
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►
very awkwardly shaped the only way they
◼
►
could make it actually no I'm just gonna
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►
say the only way they could make it more
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►
difficult as if they made it a sphere
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►
but then if it was a sphere you could
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►
put it in one of those beautiful
◼
►
old-fashioned globe holders right you
◼
►
like they see in in a movie in the 1800s
◼
►
there's whatever the heck it's called a
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►
little stand for someone's outdated
◼
►
globe of the world you could then drop a
◼
►
Lego box in there so actually making it
◼
►
a sphere would be better but that cube
◼
►
is impossible to manage on every level
◼
►
it's big there's no shelf you can put it
◼
►
on there's no corner in the room where
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►
it won't dominate the whole corner so I
◼
►
feel like you have to assemble that
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►
Brady I've just sent you the obligatory
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►
Audrey on the box for Skye Oh picture oh
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►
wow now that I have a chance to actually
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►
work on the box in detail that looks
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►
like a very complicated Lego structure
◼
►
lots of custom pieces on that one that's
◼
►
for sure you have no idea we've got the
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►
circular satellite dish on that one nice
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►
yeah or you can put a rectangular one on
◼
►
there too they give you multiple options
◼
►
and you've got optional characters too
◼
►
you can have like the Han Solo Chewbacca
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►
configuration or the more modern films
◼
►
I've got everything covered I posted a
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►
picture on my personal Facebook and it
◼
►
got a real response from all my friends
◼
►
around the world and like a legitimate
◼
►
number of them want to come and build it
◼
►
with me or have offered and build it for
◼
►
me when I said I don't know if I could
◼
►
deal with it you can't have someone else
◼
►
build it for you know that that's no
◼
►
good it's got seven and a half thousand
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►
holy moly I mean it's a thing of beauty
◼
►
it's like Lego has reached like you know
◼
►
peak Lego it's like this is what Lego it
◼
►
was born to do to make a Millennium
◼
►
Falcon this big I'm looking at I'm
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►
looking at all the zoomed in stuff Wow
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►
Brady okay I mean the more I'm looking
◼
►
at this you have to assemble this more
◼
►
than that I feel like I want this to be
◼
►
like a real project I feel like you need
◼
►
to film yourself assembling this like I
◼
►
want a time lapse film of Brady
◼
►
assembling this we should blog go away
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►
for a weekend great Buddha and record 19
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►
episodes of father welcome to episode 9
◼
►
of Brady and great build the Millennium
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►
we should probably title it Brady and
◼
►
great attempts to build them letting
◼
►
Falcon because because as soon as I feel
◼
►
like you're dragging me into this
◼
►
suddenly it looks way more complicated
◼
►
like that's 16 plus is really
◼
►
underestimate I've seen videos and
◼
►
pictures of people who've done it it's
◼
►
more complicated than the actual
◼
►
Millennium Falcon yeah you know what
◼
►
that is an excellent question
◼
►
how many pieces did the original model
◼
►
of the Millennium Falcon have I'm gonna
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►
bet it was not seven-and-a-half thousand
◼
►
they did bring out like a deluxe
◼
►
Millennium Falcon a few years ago that
◼
►
was quite big not as big as this and
◼
►
that became a real collector's item and
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►
if you've got one of them like still in
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►
the box it became really really
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►
expensive so some of my friends have
◼
►
said to me oh you should keep that in
◼
►
the box because it'll be worth a mint in
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►
I'm not gonna store a big box of Lego in
◼
►
my house like as an investment you're
◼
►
not gonna do that you're not gonna make
◼
►
a Star Wars investment it's like my
◼
►
equivalent of Bitcoin
◼
►
I'm just mining Star Wars Lego I mean
◼
►
I'm laughing at this but I will never
◼
►
forget that when I was a kid
◼
►
hallmark was doing these special edition
◼
►
Star Wars Christmas ornaments every year
◼
►
like they'd come out with one or another
◼
►
and one year they came out with the Yoda
◼
►
ornament and my dad was like investing
◼
►
in Bitcoin with those Yoda ornaments
◼
►
like he went all out right like bought
◼
►
all the ornaments right and for years
◼
►
my mother and I mercilessly teased him
◼
►
about like this box full of Yoda
◼
►
ornaments in the basement but he did get
◼
►
the last laugh because when I went off
◼
►
to college like and we were clearing out
◼
►
the house and he sold all those things
◼
►
like he made quite a profit on those
◼
►
ornaments like he was not wrong it
◼
►
definitely turned into a thing that was
◼
►
worth some actual money later on
◼
►
I mean I've not made Lego for a long
◼
►
time and I've got this rocket and I
◼
►
haven't made that so I don't know
◼
►
whether or not I am gonna have the love
◼
►
for making it but mm-hmm
◼
►
I think I'm just running purely on two
◼
►
levels of nostalgia here Star Wars
◼
►
nostalgia and they go nostalgia mm-hmm
◼
►
just thinking that's gonna get me
◼
►
through but just some part of you not
◼
►
look at that and think actually that
◼
►
would be quite nice for a few days just
◼
►
to sit down and assemble it's like
◼
►
wouldn't that be at the pleasure of it
◼
►
is you just sort of putting a thing
◼
►
together although I guess the pleasure
◼
►
of knitting comes from the mindlessness
◼
►
of it whereas this looks like actually
◼
►
it has quite a lot of mindful potential
◼
►
tedium in the process of snapping
◼
►
together so a lot of angry IKEA moments
◼
►
where you angrily throw something
◼
►
against the wall because you put it
◼
►
together wrong well Brady you have to
◼
►
assemble it and I wish you the best of
◼
►
luck I'll keep you up today I've got to
◼
►
try the rock affair I just don't have
◼
►
time if I have a spare day I think I
◼
►
better work then but maybe I need to
◼
►
just say all right I'm gonna just do it
◼
►
I'm gonna do it take a day off Brady
◼
►
your channels they can manage for one
◼
►
day without you although this looks like
◼
►
a multi-day project are the Millennium
◼
►
Falcon yes in a tailor to take me
◼
►
forever then I don't know where I would
◼
►
do it in the house that won't cause
◼
►
domestic disharmony the table where we
◼
►
counted all the votes that very central
◼
►
that could be converted into the
◼
►
Millennium Falcon station for oh I don't
◼
►
see how that could possibly cause any
◼
►
problems yeah I feel like one of the
◼
►
main motivating factors to get it for us
◼
►
to finish that vote count quickly it was
◼
►
like oh god we gotta get this done today
◼
►
can't stay here and I when we were
◼
►
counting those votes and my wife came
◼
►
out we were like two naughty boys
◼
►
recording a podcast of counting votes in
◼
►
the kitchen table I'm so sorry I thought
◼
►
this would be done hours ago we
◼
►
dramatically underestimated a bigger job
◼
►
this is good times good times Brady
◼
►
so anyway speaking of Star Wars there's
◼
►
been enough breathing time now since the
◼
►
last Jedi yeah Christmas review podcast
◼
►
stealer you have gone insane again or
◼
►
changed any of your thoughts or anything
◼
►
I haven't felt the need to go see the
◼
►
movie again that has not happened have
◼
►
you gone out to see the movie a second
◼
►
time not because the first time that you
◼
►
saw it right I've only seen it once I
◼
►
actually do want to watch it with my
◼
►
wife because I think that would be like
◼
►
a good sanity check for me because I'm
◼
►
so confused by the polar opposite
◼
►
opinions people have of the film
◼
►
I feel annealing my wife to watch it
◼
►
might do me some good like if she
◼
►
watches it and says oh yeah that was a
◼
►
right rollicking ride you know I don't
◼
►
care that much about Star Wars but that
◼
►
was just a good fun like things might
◼
►
fall into place for me but that hasn't
◼
►
happened yet but a few people have seen
◼
►
it since we last spoke whose opinions
◼
►
are important to me mm-hmm and
◼
►
thankfully those handful of people have
◼
►
all felt the same as me and thought nah
◼
►
nah didn't like thank goodness like my
◼
►
brother-in-law didn't like her and make
◼
►
Tim who I do the other podcast with like
◼
►
you know we're big Star Wars fans
◼
►
together he didn't like those I was like
◼
►
thank goodness because if one of them
◼
►
really liked I'd be like especially Tim
◼
►
that was an interesting one because he
◼
►
has right you know young kids and I
◼
►
thought maybe having kids makes you
◼
►
watch it through a different prism but
◼
►
no he didn't like it no it is a funny
◼
►
thing you say they're like you feel this
◼
►
relief there is something that I think
◼
►
is in all of us that we can get really
◼
►
judgmental about other people's media
◼
►
preferences and try I had the same
◼
►
experience where for me by far the best
◼
►
part of watching Star Wars was as soon
◼
►
as we emerged from the hermetically
◼
►
sealed bubble of our recording was I
◼
►
went out and consumed all of the media
◼
►
in the world right where everybody was
◼
►
talking about the movie and as I
◼
►
listened to and watched far more hours
◼
►
of podcasts and videos talking about the
◼
►
movie than the length of the movie I
◼
►
mean easily easily by a multiple of ten
◼
►
I haven't listened to a single other
◼
►
it's not interesting there is this very
◼
►
human thing which I think like people do
◼
►
get so riled about movies is like you
◼
►
want other people to agree with you like
◼
►
it's obviously such a subjective medium
◼
►
everybody thinks they have an idea about
◼
►
like what a good movie is and then
◼
►
everybody has their list of exceptions
◼
►
of movies that they know aren't actually
◼
►
good with that they love as I it's so
◼
►
subjective but I had that same feeling
◼
►
of relief when people I knew watched the
◼
►
movie and then agreed with me and then a
◼
►
feeling of confusion when someone didn't
◼
►
agree with me like how can you possibly
◼
►
disagree with me and it's especially the
◼
►
case because I would say my general
◼
►
impression was reviews on YouTube were
◼
►
way more harsh than our review of the
◼
►
show was like at least from from my
◼
►
sampling of it it seemed like YouTube
◼
►
liked the movie a lot less and some
◼
►
reviews made ours seem like a glowing
◼
►
endorsement and then I'm aware of like
◼
►
Oh some of the podcast selection that I
◼
►
had was generally much more positive
◼
►
like people really liking and enjoying
◼
►
the movie and I kept thinking like I'm
◼
►
on both sides that when people dislike
◼
►
it more I'm like oh come on like that's
◼
►
crazy you're being too harsh about this
◼
►
and then when people like it more like
◼
►
oh come on it's not that good like you
◼
►
got to be good and I'm thinking of like
◼
►
the old George Carlin joke that when
◼
►
you're driving on the highway it's like
◼
►
anybody who's driving slower than you is
◼
►
like oh come on grandma get off the road
◼
►
right and anybody who's driving faster
◼
►
than he was a total maniac right we're
◼
►
like yours feet is the only absolute
◼
►
correct speed I totally had that same
◼
►
feeling listening to everybody else's
◼
►
review is like my dislike of the Star
◼
►
Wars movie is perfectly calibrated you
◼
►
can just like it more you're crazy
◼
►
right and if you liked it more I also
◼
►
don't understand it all where you're
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movie was like I would not have guessed
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whatever but there are like four or five
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people who like if they felt very
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differently to me mm-hmm like I'd be
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concerned or I'd start to question
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myself but those people all sort of were
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actually got one friend who I think has
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like the worst taste in the world in all
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movies and television and if she likes
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something that's like a guarantee that I
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won't but if she doesn't like something
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that's like a glowing endorsement to me
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I just saw this thing and it was
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terrible to me that's like that sets off
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an alarm bell saying I need to watch
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that it's probably really good it's bit
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of a running joke between us but it's
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become so strong that actually is a
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really really good indicator as to
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whether I like or not like something
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just look at what she likes and going
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the exact opposite yeah that's right so
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Brady some travel follow-up I happened
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to have been on a lot of flights in the
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past three months or so way more than
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normal and my carrier is British Airways
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commiserations I'm not a fan of them at
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the moment so why are you not a fan of
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them breeding I think they're getting a
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bit tired I don't think they're as
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prestigious as they used to be I think
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that they've actually been having a lot
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of problems with people complaining
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about how dirty their planes are - but
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apparently I don't I didn't realize they
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were a prestigious brand they're just I
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select Airlines based on where they go
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and ba is the one that goes where I
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needed to go okay like we all pretend
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like there's some kind of crazy
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competition but there really is it like
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as soon as you have more than one or two
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cities that you need to go to it's like
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well you're really going to be down to a
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single airline it's gonna do most of
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those flights yeah that's true for some
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place I've got to fly really long float
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be a next month because they're the only
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people going we're only to go so yeah
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it's like railway competition
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in the UK we're like we have all these
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private companies competing with each
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other to manage the railroads it's like
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yeah but there's only one railroad going
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to this like there's no competition
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there that doesn't work at all yeah
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anyway the airlines are the same way but
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I feel like I have been victimized by
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the safety video that I have had to
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watch so many times over the past
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several months which is British Airways
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not just doing a safety video but doing
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a comedy safety video that is also for
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charity yeah and I feel like I've seen
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this thing so many times I have heard
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flight attendants complain about it
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while it is on to other passengers these
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videos they're always really terrible
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but there is there is something about a
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thing that is now two things at once
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it's not just a bad safety video that's
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trying to make you laugh but it's also a
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thing that's asking for your money and I
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feel like I cannot psychologically deal
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with it and I sent you the link and it
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is the longest slowest safety video ever
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because they have all of this extra time
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for jokes and then also asking for your
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money and I feel like I am gonna I'm
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gonna lose my mind please Airlines
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please don't make your safety videos
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comedies that are also simultaneously
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asking for charitable donations please
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don't do this it's terrible I resent
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being held hostage to this so many times
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I watched her you sent me a link to a
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course on YouTube and I watched riot so
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a bit of context for people that's been
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made for the BBC's comic relief campaign
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that they run all the time so anything
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that has the banner of comic relief and
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this this fundraising charity thing they
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do gives them the ability to pull in all
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these big stars because stars love doing
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things for comic relief I'm also not
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entirely familiar with what comic relief
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is yeah either but it did look like some
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kind of a celebrity Club as far as I can
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tell yes every second year the BBC for
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about a month or so has this big comic
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relief fundraising campaign which
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culminates with a big TV show with lots
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of comedians and stars doing funny skits
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and things to raise all this money for
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and then in the alternate years they
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have Sport Relief where sports stars do
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things for charity and raise money so
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anyway this has been done under the
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auspices of comic relief in cooperation
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with VA so they've done the safety video
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all these big stars have been in it and
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agreed to do it and are trying to be
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funny and you send it to me hmm
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and I mean it's not new to make safety
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videos try to be funny this has been
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going on for a few years now yeah and
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the first minute or two I found really
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funny the first minute and a half to two
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minutes I thought oh no this is actually
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quite funny grey and I gonna have it
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because I cuz I was actually in
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chuckling at the first couple of things
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I thought the guy who was playing the
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director at first was quite funny and
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the way he was reacting all these stars
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are auditioning to be in the safety
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video and this is sort of funny director
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who's like telling them what to do and
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funny in a thousand air quotes funny yes
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well effort at first he was funny the
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first couple were quite good I liked it
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mhm and then I thought ah no groan are
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gonna have a big fight because obviously
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grey is not gonna like this but the
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problem with it was after that initial
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hmm that's quite funny they just float
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the dead horse of the joke they got the
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pacing all wrong mm-hmm it was too slow
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it's way way too long and you begin
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losing the will to live it loses
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funniness too they start wheeling out
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less and less funny people which
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culminates at the very end with Rowan
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Atkinson doing mr. bean which he must he
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must stop doing that mr. bean was so
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funny back in the day but not only is
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the comedy of mr. bean not funny anymore
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but watching him do it when you so much
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older it's a bit like there's something
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a bit sad about watching him do mr. bean
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now but it's like oh man you still
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►
having to do that it's yeah it's
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►
especially weird from my perspective
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because I've never seen the original mr.
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bean I've only ever seen him do this
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►
thing referencing this show yeah
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it becomes very strangely meta it's like
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is that just what Rowan Atkinson is like
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is that what he just does is this him
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the best FlightSafety video in the world
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would start getting boring and tedious
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after four or five flights close to each
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other which is what happens you know
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when you start having to travel a lot
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and koechlin's planes
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but this one did have the unusual
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distinction of becoming tedious within
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the first viewing of it which is quite
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it is almost impressive if we're gonna
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do critiques of airline safety videos
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here I feel like I wish poison spoilers
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do we even to say score okay no that's
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not how that works just a thing in the
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world there's not spoilers for a thing
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if it exists in the world okay because I
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just ruined the mr. Bane ending because
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his appearance at the end I think is
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supposed to be like a surprise finale
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yeah and what it is to me it's the final
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bullet in the horse on the ground it's
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like okay yeah this one can't be saved
◼
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yeah we're at mr. babe but like having
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watched this thing so many times and
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►
needing to critique it I feel like okay
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many of these airline safety videos they
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have the problem of they're trying to do
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so much to dazzle you to keep you
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entertained like people have sent like
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these crazy music video safety videos
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where there's just like all of these
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dancers and things are moving around and
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there's flashing lights and dead to
◼
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death and it's like okay it's too much
◼
►
remember this is a plane right that
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we're on we're supposed to be learning
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about how to save our lives right not
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like watching like an ensemble cast
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dancing extravaganza but with this
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it's like someone said okay let's take
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it down let's take it down strip it back
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we're gonna strip it back yeah and what
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we're gonna do is we're just going to
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have actors in a like a black mirror
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infinite white void of nothingness
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►
talking to you just a comedy do it oh
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let the actors just exactly like just
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let the comedy stand for itself at best
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it will give you a mild chuckle a couple
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of times yeah but it's they scale it
◼
►
back and it's so right it's so
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incredibly slow it was also like I think
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they thought maybe the star power would
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overwhelm us but like the star power is
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not quite starry enough it's like a
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minus 2b plus to us it's not a plus does
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it's not even like oh my god I can't
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believe they got Brad Pitt to do it it's
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like oh they got that guy that's in that
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comedy show that I saw
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►
that time what's-his-name Oh can't
◼
►
memories nine but you know that guy yeah
◼
►
let me go through it okay so like I
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don't know if the director is supposed
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to be someone that I would know but I
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have no idea who that person is I'm
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►
going to assume he's a nobody sorry
◼
►
director actor guy I have no idea who
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►
you are he was the best guy in it by
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then okay so it's like next up we have
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guy from Love Actually whose name I
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►
can't remember then next up we have the
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chef who's yelling Gordon Ramsay write
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►
that and Ramsay then we have like woman
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I've never seen before in my entire life
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I have no idea who she is
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►
next up we have Gandalf and the guy who
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►
played wicket it's like okay great got
◼
►
it we're gonna move on Davis yeah Davis
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►
like I couldn't remember his name next
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►
up we have some British guy I have no
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I don't think I've ever seen him before
◼
►
in my life right next up we have an old
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guy who looks like a character after who
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I feel like I probably seen your face in
◼
►
movies before but I couldn't possibly
◼
►
think yeah James is dead I can't believe
◼
►
I couldn't place him it literally saw
◼
►
Bridget Jones's baby like a week ago and
◼
►
Bridget Jones baby can't really
◼
►
recommend that movie okay next going up
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►
okay so now we come up to who for me is
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►
the most recognizable person we've got
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Gillian Anderson and it's like okay but
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I am aware that they have the director
◼
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like make reference to you're not
◼
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auditioning for the x-files like try
◼
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like nudge the audience but who this
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person is in case they can't place it
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so that's everybody and then like you
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said it's mr. bean at the end doing his
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mr. bean thing I agree with you like it
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is not star powering dazzling Ness it's
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►
like Gandalf and Gillian Anderson those
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►
are the two most recognizable to me
◼
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anyway it's just not very funny it's
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funny at the start and I don't think
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it's cuz the joke wore off I just think
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it's just it's just funnier at the start
◼
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yeah but also as it got into its sixth
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►
minute I was starting to think like are
◼
►
all safety videos this long there's this
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►
much information they have or have they
◼
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somehow really stretched it out because
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they seem to be doing all the same
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►
things a safety video does and safety
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►
videos are never fast spoken so like
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they're not speaking much slower are
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they is there that much filler it
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how long is a normal safety video I
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don't know Wow okay so I was gonna say I
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feel like this is about the same as all
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the rest of them but the original one
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►
that started are complaining about this
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►
which is the United Airlines safety is
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global one which I feel like is filled
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with so much ridiculousness of like
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►
setting up establishing shots of where
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they are and all sorts of dumbness that
◼
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is yes that's about three and a half yes
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it's it's four and a half minutes long
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so I was thinking like oh surely it must
◼
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be the same but that one is now like
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like a zippy adventure all over the
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►
world compared to this one from British
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►
Airways I'm guessing that this is just
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way slower than most of them are going
◼
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to be but why are these things so awful
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and I know it's for charity but there is
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something about like you've made me
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watch this terrible thing and you're
◼
►
asking me for something at the end and
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I'm like I'm sure it's feeding children
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across the world or whatever but it's
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►
like you've made me sit through this
◼
►
awful thing and now you're asking me for
◼
►
money it's like I just hate like it's it
◼
►
got me on these two levels Brady is
◼
►
awful it's absolutely awful like you're
◼
►
gonna ask me for money
◼
►
make me laugh right put me in a happy
◼
►
mood like don't infuriate me with his
◼
►
unfunny nonsense and like I said I was
◼
►
amazed to hear actual flight attendants
◼
►
complaining to passengers about this
◼
►
more than once and then I was watching
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them as this thing was playing it's like
◼
►
and they all had that dead thousand-yard
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►
stare in their eyes as this thing was
◼
►
going over the PA like to all the flight
◼
►
attendants working on British Airways I
◼
►
am so sorry for you during this season
◼
►
I don't know when comic relief season
◼
►
ends but I hope it's soon for everyone's
◼
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sake the problem is you with you doing a
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►
safety video as well it has to be like
◼
►
safe old person humor because you can't
◼
►
make edgy jokes about aircraft safety
◼
►
because people have like anxiety attacks
◼
►
like for example when the dude was doing
◼
►
the bit about the life jacket and the
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►
whistle but he's quite a funny guy and
◼
►
that could have been funny but he just
◼
►
made some joke you can blow this to get
◼
►
attention you know if you like getting
◼
►
attention why haha that's the moment
◼
►
where you could have been funny like you
◼
►
know you could blow this to get
◼
►
attention the attention of people who
◼
►
didn't see the seven four seven that
◼
►
just crashed right next to them or
◼
►
something like that you know you could
◼
►
have made some jokes about the ordeal of
◼
►
you know I guess you can't really do
◼
►
that because everyone Alaskan off the
◼
►
plane but you might want that in your
◼
►
airline safety videos but I don't like
◼
►
this comic relief video but I'm telling
◼
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you right now I wouldn't appreciate a
◼
►
video that was filled with nothing but
◼
►
death and destruction as the airline
◼
►
safety video no matter how genuinely
◼
►
effective it might be if the plane flips
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in the ocean like this footage here of
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Ethiopia lies in I just have the pilot
◼
►
come on I like dead serious system you
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►
like you need to pay attention because
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►
if you don't this is what happens and
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►
then like 30 seconds of the most
◼
►
horrific footage you can imagine like
◼
►
take off your goddamn headphones and
◼
►
listen I see this picture of this person
◼
►
here they didn't wear a seatbelt yeah
◼
►
don't don't actually do that air wise
◼
►
that would be bad but possibly inventive
◼
►
I've got a little spoilery papercut
◼
►
thing on my mind here because I think
◼
►
telling people even if you think
◼
►
something is good or bad counts as a
◼
►
spoiler and I bet you agree - yep
◼
►
completely agree yeah like I don't want
◼
►
to know if the film was good or bad you
◼
►
know the most you can tell me is that
◼
►
the film is out and here's where you can
◼
►
see it right or whether the ticket
◼
►
prices like with your friend that
◼
►
friendly mentioned if she tells you what
◼
►
she thinks of a movie
◼
►
it's totally spoiled there I think you
◼
►
need to avoid even how good a film is so
◼
►
the BBC News website but there are
◼
►
places where I expect to stumble over
◼
►
spoilers like the movie review section
◼
►
of a newspaper or something like that
◼
►
you know okay if I'm wading through
◼
►
there okay I might see something I don't
◼
►
want to see yeah if you're digging
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around on Rotten Tomatoes you can't be
◼
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surprised if you're spoiled
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exactly but the BBC News website for
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reasons that are beyond me anyway have
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decided to start reviewing films like
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big films when they come out and what
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they do is they quite often we'll put
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these reviews on like the front page of
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their news website and the other thing
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they do is in the headline so on the
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front page with the BBC news website in
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the headline next to the name of the
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film they have the star rating that
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they've given her so I'll just be
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looking I'll be scrolling down the front
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page of the BBC News website and it will
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say you know man dies in plane crash
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latest bricks at negotiations and then
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the next thing down we'll say the LA
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Jedi three out of four stars mm-hmm like
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as a headline on a news website I can't
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believe they do that fair enough if they
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said review of the last Jedi and then if
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I clicked on that I can go and read the
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review all right I clicked on it but
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putting the star in the headline on the
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clicky clicky bit on the front page
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where you can't help but see it not
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happy not happy I don't know I feel like
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I'm very sensitive to spoilers I agree
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that it would be better if they didn't
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but it can't really feel like the BBC
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has an opinion of the Star Wars movie
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anyway well yeah that's a whole other
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question whether the news website should
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be reviewing a fair enough a movie
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review show or something that they do
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but yeah well yeah I mean I'm surprised
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the BBC wasn't reviewing movies already
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I could just assume there'd be a thing
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that they do but they don't review
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movies across their content and radio
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shows and they have they have a movie
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review TV show but having on their news
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website this review but the star rating
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riddle me this then you don't care about
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it mmm what does it even achieve having
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the star rating in the headline to click
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you through I mean I guess that what you
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just said there is what it achieves it's
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probably there to get you to click
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through I'm guessing like knowing how
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many stars the reviewer gave it does
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that make you more likely or less likely
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to read it I feel like I would be more
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likely to click that more likely if it
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gets a high rating or a low rating hmm I
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don't know if it's true but I feel like
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I would be more likely to click a thing
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that has the rating in the title just in
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general because it almost feels a bit
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like the you won't believe kind of
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headlines putting the star rating there
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almost is asking a question which is why
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did this rating happen what is the
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reason for this rating okay I feel like
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it's a more intriguing title than simply
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saying Star Wars last Jedi review click
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here okay like Star Wars the last Jedi
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review 3 out of 5 stars
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click here is more intriguing it draws
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the mouse pointer nearer I see what you
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sign so I still think they shouldn't do
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it for spoiler reasons but at least now
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I understand why they do it I can't feel
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like it's a spoiler Christmas podcast
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episode brady and gray don't like the
◼
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last yet either why did you not do that
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i didn't think of it at the time maybe
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I'll do that next year
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look at next year's Star Wars
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three out of five right that's what the
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title is gonna be well I'll tell you why
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and actually in all seriousness I think
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you will a verb Radian greater okay so I
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feel like this is connected to the
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notion of why is it spoilery when
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someone tells you what they think about
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a movie or a TV show or whatever and I
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feel like it's because the person who is
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telling you you as the listener probably
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have some concept of the kinds of things
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that person likes and doesn't like this
◼
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is where the BBC is like oh hi BBC
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you're just a faceless machine alright
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you might as well be a robot telling me
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that the movie has X out of five stars
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like who cares about the opinion of like
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a soulless conscious list machine so I
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feel like that's kind of the same thing
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with the BBC movie reviews like I mean
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probably there's some poor person who's
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writing that movie review but like for
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the most part it doesn't feel like the
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BBC or the New York Times or anybody
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could have a meaningful opinion about
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the movie whereas like particular movie
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reviewers can have meaningful opinions
◼
►
and thoughts about the movie and then
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that would feel like a spoiler
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well the BBC does have some of them but
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yeah maybe that doesn't apply to the
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website but I see what you're saying
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whereas if I know what you think it's
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like a you know but it's so simple all I
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have to do is define what I know of you
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►
know like mentally reverse-engineering
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what it is okay well speaking of star
◼
►
reviews mmm I just wanted to bring
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something up that we have hardly ever
◼
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done if ever and that is talked about
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people rating our podcast on iTunes
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you know how lots of podcasts say hey
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can you give us a star rating on iTunes
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►
because it helps us with the algorithm
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and more people will find us and stuff I
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think you and I both have always been
◼
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pretty reluctant to do that yeah I feel
◼
►
like it has been a long time since we
◼
►
were playing the what country are you
◼
►
from game with our podcast reviews well
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►
I'm gonna throw this out for people to
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►
give us a star review on iTunes
◼
►
preferably a high one but not for the
◼
►
reason you might think all right not for
◼
►
like the algorithm and to you know get
◼
►
recommended to more people I mean that
◼
►
would be lovely but that's
◼
►
the race I don't think that really works
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►
but okay I don't know I don't know my
◼
►
reasons is far more shallow okay great
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►
perfect you know what I feel like it's
◼
►
already going to be more effective yeah
◼
►
and that is this basically when I know
◼
►
people people like my wife and my
◼
►
friends and stuff like that but this
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►
recently happened I think with my wife
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she had a high-powered meeting with some
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►
influential people in the world of like
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media and podcast II stuff she was just
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talking to them and she said to them oh
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my husband does a podcast that is that
◼
►
you know is quite successful when does
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quite well mm-hmm like the person at the
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meeting said ah what's a cold like all
◼
►
excited because they are into podcasts
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►
and I'm she makes she said hello
◼
►
Internet I hope that's what she said the
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►
guy was like ah you know I've never
◼
►
heard of it mm-hmm fair enough you know
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►
a good proportion of the world's
◼
►
population haven't heard of hello
◼
►
Internet I accept that but then it
◼
►
occurred to me he probably would then
◼
►
have checked the podcast is to see what
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►
it was and what it was about and what it
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►
was like and when you go away and check
◼
►
someone's like YouTube channels or
◼
►
Twitter account or something you can
◼
►
very quickly see if that claim is legit
◼
►
like is this really a big YouTube
◼
►
channel just have a lot of subscribers
◼
►
is this person really influential do
◼
►
they have a lot of Twitter followers or
◼
►
was that all talk with the podcast the
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►
only thing you can do is go to iTunes
◼
►
and look at how many star ratings the
◼
►
podcast has and if it has lots and lots
◼
►
of people have reviewed it you'll say oh
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►
yeah okay yeah that is people must
◼
►
listen to that podcast and if it has
◼
►
just a handful you think arts just you
◼
►
know a couple of guys in their bedroom
◼
►
and and no one listens and it suddenly
◼
►
occurred to me to a stranger who's not
◼
►
aware with like you know the world of
◼
►
Tim foolery and doesn't hang out on the
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►
subreddit and hasn't where I know
◼
►
followed the podcast for years the only
◼
►
thing we can be judged by is the number
◼
►
of star ratings and like I'm okay I can
◼
►
live with people thinking hello
◼
►
internets big or small but in that
◼
►
particular little situation I suddenly
◼
►
thought no I don't actually know how
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►
many star ratings we have maybe we have
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►
loads but it just suddenly occurred to
◼
►
me that our that's a good thing about
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►
star ratings forget the algorithm if
◼
►
someone checks up on the podcast to find
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►
out whether it's legit whether it's like
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►
a good podcast or not that's all they
◼
►
can look at it is a strange thing
◼
►
in the podcast world how under this veil
◼
►
of secrecy everything is because I often
◼
►
want to know like how big is somebody
◼
►
else's pocket and you just have no idea
◼
►
it's funny it never really occurred to
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►
me to go look at iTunes and look at the
◼
►
reviews but I feel like that is also a
◼
►
case of that is still going to be pretty
◼
►
inconsistent because some podcasts beg
◼
►
for reviews at the end of every episode
◼
►
and some podcasts you know like ours
◼
►
don't ever ask for reviews except in the
◼
►
very beginning whatever getting started
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►
and today right and this very moment
◼
►
right now as you should be on on your
◼
►
podcast app opening up the iTunes don't
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►
do a radio tom style like automated
◼
►
process where like they're the Apple
◼
►
servers collapse under some automated
◼
►
star system where there's more we get
◼
►
more star ratings that there are stars
◼
►
in the Milky Way or something great
◼
►
rating nobody was thinking that until
◼
►
you mentioned it so thanks okay great
◼
►
yeah okay so change if that happens yeah
◼
►
so actual humans only yes Brady for his
◼
►
vanity project would like more reviews
◼
►
and iTunes that's the only humans need
◼
►
apply right only humans need a fly but
◼
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Grady wants to be able to impress people
◼
►
and show them real proof that the
◼
►
podcast is a big deal so I guess we're
◼
►
asking for reviews no it's more other
◼
►
people like my friends and stuff like
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►
that like it's not about me wanting to
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►
like you know I can do make up a number
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►
oh yeah we hundred million downloads
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►
just yesterday so wait can I just be
◼
►
clear here so this isn't even this is
◼
►
not something you want for you directly
◼
►
now this is like second hand
◼
►
conversations that people you know are
◼
►
having about you it's someone I know who
◼
►
recommend to someone I know who knows
◼
►
someone else who might go and have a
◼
►
look to see how many stars we've got
◼
►
okay great I wasn't it'll be like a
◼
►
decent number how many ratings if we go
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►
we currently have 661 ratings with a
◼
►
five-star average is that good
◼
►
Oh co-op star sounds good base 661 good
◼
►
I have no idea what podcast ratings are
◼
►
but whatever that is we're just gonna
◼
►
say right now far too low for whatever
◼
►
should have right it's this should be
◼
►
ten thousand five star ratings sorry
◼
►
yes that's what we're going for just go
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►
into iTunes click the star for your mate
◼
►
it's not about gaming the algorithm I
◼
►
couldn't care less about that it's just
◼
►
about purely about vanity I like this
◼
►
you know what I swear to God I feel like
◼
►
that's a more pure desire just being
◼
►
real upfront about it is like Hades
◼
►
feeling a bit like he wants his vanity
◼
►
flattered why don't you help out with
◼
►
that people and I am 100% convinced that
◼
►
all those podcasts had asked for four
◼
►
reviews and ratings at the end like I
◼
►
just do not think that really matters
◼
►
like as far as I can tell I don't think
◼
►
that really matters in iTunes land maybe
◼
►
it does in other podcast players but
◼
►
like on iTunes anyway I don't think it
◼
►
makes any difference I think it does
◼
►
matter because there is a bit of the
◼
►
rich get richer and the thing on iTunes
◼
►
isn't there like if a successful podcast
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►
launches another one and that sort of
◼
►
stuff I think there is a bit of
◼
►
algorithmic stuff going on there to be
◼
►
gamed don't get me wrong there's a rich
◼
►
gets richer effect but what I'm saying
◼
►
is I don't think there's any relation
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between the number of reviews and like
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►
promotion on iTunes I don't think
◼
►
there's a clear connection there I think
◼
►
there is I think when you search
◼
►
something like if you go into the eye
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►
and search cricket you know and it
◼
►
recommends a bunch of cricket podcast to
◼
►
I think the ones with higher stars are
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►
getting recommended before ones with two
◼
►
stars I could be wrong and this this
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►
information could be outdated but the
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►
impression that I got is that the at
◼
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least on iTunes the recommendations are
◼
►
largely based on a combination of two
◼
►
things and then it's new people
◼
►
subscribing and current download numbers
◼
►
all right that was the impression that I
◼
►
was given at one point that that is like
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►
90% of the recommendation effect and
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►
that the review thing is less less of an
◼
►
effect but that could be wrong well
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great I was gonna make a joke right
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►
this was the joke I was about to say
◼
►
okay well I just searched Flags on my
◼
►
podcast player and we weren't even on
◼
►
the front page but to be honest I'd
◼
►
asserts flags on my phone and we were
◼
►
the Sikh recommended podcast okay
◼
►
I take it back yeah hello we think that
◼
►
soon to dominate the bee podcast market
◼
►
oh I didn't think the bees I'm gonna
◼
►
search bees and see if we get if we get
◼
►
on the front page for bees
◼
►
I am gonna say apples awesome it's a
◼
►
dramatic moment bees I'm searching bees
◼
►
podcasts we are on the first page and
◼
►
we're in the top top 20 apple knows what
◼
►
it's doing with bee and flag related
◼
►
podcast recommendations so great I've
◼
►
been requiring some social advice for
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►
you because I know you're the master of
◼
►
social situations oh oh no no Brady
◼
►
don't ask me I feel like I've been
◼
►
particularly bad about this lately okay
◼
►
this is one just just want to throw it
◼
►
out there cuz it's pagina it's part of
◼
►
life I feel like you know people like
◼
►
you and me know how to react if someone
◼
►
says to us oh it's you know it's my
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►
birthday or I'm getting married or we're
◼
►
having a baby like you kind of know the
◼
►
things you're supposed to say to someone
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►
yeah things like and if someone dies you
◼
►
also know there are certain ways to
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►
handle that it's a you know when someone
◼
►
has had a bereavement and they tell you
◼
►
about it I'm very sorry for your loss so
◼
►
if you lost things like that what do you
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►
say when someone tells you they're
◼
►
cuz I had that one the other day and I
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►
kind of know I know I know lots of
◼
►
people who've gotten divorced obviously
◼
►
because it's a really common thing but
◼
►
like someone just said to me I'll you
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►
know it's just so you're in the know I'm
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►
just letting you know cuz you're my
◼
►
friend and I'm I'm we're actually you
◼
►
know we're getting divorced I didn't
◼
►
really know exactly what to say or do I
◼
►
don't know if I dropped the ball I
◼
►
handed it well but I just realized I
◼
►
don't know what the etiquette is for
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►
that I feel like that etiquette is very
◼
►
context dependent I mean the less I know
◼
►
about someone I would say something like
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oh I'm I'm so sorry that you're going
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►
through that yeah like that might be my
◼
►
default one but I could see in some
◼
►
circumstances like the divorce is a
◼
►
positive change possibly in both
◼
►
people's lives there's so much more you
◼
►
need to know isn't there like what's
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►
initiated er how do you feel about it
◼
►
yourself and like without all that
◼
►
information it's very difficult to know
◼
►
what to say I didn't immediately have
◼
►
the words at my grass
◼
►
I don't have a general answer for this
◼
►
as I'm probably sure it doesn't surprise
◼
►
you I also feel like I have heard about
◼
►
a thing but maybe this is just one of
◼
►
those like things on the internet that
◼
►
isn't real but I have heard about the
◼
►
concept of a divorce party where someone
◼
►
is celebrating the fact that their
◼
►
divorce has finally gone through and I
◼
►
have like a party to establish like oh
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►
this is a fresh start in life now like
◼
►
you're beginning things over so I don't
◼
►
know if that's real or not if anybody's
◼
►
actually had a real divorce party or if
◼
►
this is just like a meme are you
◼
►
imagining a divorce party where both the
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►
divorcee you know I don't know I fed
◼
►
know I feel like this there is two
◼
►
separate divorce okay right you know
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►
after you as a couple have divided up
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►
the friends you know so who's gonna get
◼
►
who in the communal friend pool that you
◼
►
have separate parties to celebrate the
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►
divorce I know again I don't know if
◼
►
that's real I just feel like this is a
◼
►
thing that I have heard about but I
◼
►
don't know why you'd be asking me about
◼
►
social advice I don't have any idea I
◼
►
always feel really awkward with those
◼
►
standard replies anyway like obviously
◼
►
they're the standard replies for a
◼
►
reason but as feel like I should be more
◼
►
creative somehow with expressing
◼
►
condolence or congratulations like when
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►
it's somebody's birthday and you send
◼
►
them a text message you say oh
◼
►
congratulations happy birthday I always
◼
►
feel like I should be able to say more
◼
►
especially if it's a person I know but
◼
►
they're the kind of isn't a lot more to
◼
►
say at those events like you just these
◼
►
are the social motions that we go
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►
I feel like this is the worst time that
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►
you could have possibly asked me that's
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►
because like I've had in my list a
◼
►
question to ask you which is a much
◼
►
simpler social question yeah but I
◼
►
genuinely feel like I need help in this
◼
►
area and then the question is how does
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►
one greet people I feel like I've
◼
►
forgotten how to greet people or I just
◼
►
don't know anymore do you know what's
◼
►
happened I blame myself for this know
◼
►
myself for you having this problem I was
◼
►
gonna say because you've seen this
◼
►
you've seen this in person right you
◼
►
know what I'm talking about
◼
►
I feel like I introduced you to the
◼
►
concept of the half handshake half hug
◼
►
yes you did I think you were I think you
◼
►
were the first person who did this and I
◼
►
feel like it caught your
◼
►
imagination as a good thing to do right
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►
but you still haven't learned how to do
◼
►
it right and so every time I see you you
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►
try to do it and I'm like oh great
◼
►
you're not feeling it
◼
►
if you don't feel it don't do it right I
◼
►
love doing it and I enjoy it but I feel
◼
►
like you're overthinking it here's the
◼
►
question for the listeners Brady has
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►
this idea this thing that he's invented
◼
►
which is a half handshake where like I
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►
do break you don't hug the person you
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sort of handshake and back slap at the
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same time yeah yeah ugh I call a humble
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but you're keeping like a little bit of
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distance because your hands are shaking
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in between the two of you yeah and then
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the hands go over the back like I gets a
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hug we're like you know your belly
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buttons wouldn't touch it's just like
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right my right shoulder would touch your
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right shoulder as our right hands shake
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and then my left hand will touch the
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back of your left shoulder I'm doing
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this a friend of microphone right now
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yeah okay I mean that it's a difficult
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maneuver to pull off obviously this is
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like 16 plus level greetings right this
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is this is not for beginners yeah but I
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also feel like I don't understand the
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boundaries of social greetings anymore
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it's like like how well do you have to
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know someone to do a hug greeting hum
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versus a hug well no no this is a
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spectrum right we have the full spectrum
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so on one end we have like a hug
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right yeah and so we could say clearly
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family members right you would greet a
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family member with a hug yeah maybe a
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kiss on the cheek right that's one clear
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clear end who I'm allowed to kiss so I
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find difficult no no let's just put that
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►
aside just for the moment like we can
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return to this but all right then on the
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other end you have like you have flown
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to Japan and now met a stranger and
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you're just going to politely bow and I
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feel like you're in some kind of
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competition to bow lower but I also
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►
don't know for sure if that's real so
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►
anyway this is like the contact spectrum
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and then for most of the times you meet
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I feel like I'm meeting a pure stranger
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it's really fine like okay we do
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handshakes handshakes for everybody but
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soon as I'm meeting a person the second
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time or the third time I don't know I
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feel like I always get it wrong I feel
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like I do this wrong every time and I
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don't know how to do it and I am now
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►
convinced I'm gonna blame you on
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►
introducing like an off by one error
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that has looped over in my head a
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►
hundred thousand times and is making
◼
►
every time I greet someone hard and
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►
incomprehensible to me now the thing you
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►
shouldn't do is reference the hug that's
◼
►
my tip okay like don't say we're hugging
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►
or let's have a hug or come on haha hug
◼
►
just do the hug but don't reference the
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►
hug okay so no verbal acknowledgment of
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the hug yeah is there a way to save it
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when someone else is going for the hug
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►
but you go for the handshake you've got
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a you've got to convert to the hug
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they can't downgrade you've got a rise
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to the occasion and join the hug what if
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they've already extended their hands and
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you haven't noticed Holloman asked all
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►
them in to the humble hugs up yank them
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in humble hug yeah hmm
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►
you can also deflect a hug into a humble
◼
►
hug okay deflect a hug I feel like it
◼
►
needs to cut it like some like brazilian
◼
►
jiu-jitsu class to practice this and
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►
there's also another option is as you do
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the hug and if it's become awkward and
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you realize it's all gone wrong you do
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like a funny you pat them on the back
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three or four times and like with a
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laugh like isn't this funny what we're
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►
doing and make a big joke of the hug
◼
►
wait but so now you're referencing yeah
◼
►
everything the hug yeah but that's only
◼
►
because it needs referencing because
◼
►
it's all gone so far wrong okay so if it
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►
goes if it goes really wrong hmm you
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►
reference the hug I'll write you some
◼
►
notes this was all brought to a head on
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►
God I will remember this until the day I
◼
►
die but I was meeting a stranger on one
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►
of my recent trips and we just we just
◼
►
went to do I swear to God Brady like you
◼
►
know level two and above the Simo simple
◼
►
thing the handshake yeah and somehow I
◼
►
went to handshake this other guy and I
◼
►
did it so wrong that how to describe
◼
►
this so imagine you're holding out your
◼
►
hand for a handshake and then you lower
◼
►
your pinkie so there's space like you're
◼
►
making a shadow dog on the wall somehow
◼
►
I got my hand into that position
◼
►
we we shook with like just the the
◼
►
webbing of our pinkies touching and the
◼
►
rest of our hands holding could have
◼
►
died I swear I could have died in that
◼
►
moment and it's like we're gonna do this
◼
►
we're gonna shake right
◼
►
boom boom boom three and done and no
◼
►
reference to it and this might be one of
◼
►
the last things I think about before I
◼
►
die is because it just keeps popping up
◼
►
in my head over and over again
◼
►
worse than the sloppy Ben's moment
◼
►
honestly yes because unlike the sloppy
◼
►
buns moment which was such a peculiar
◼
►
events with very special circumstances
◼
►
around it handshakes happen all the time
◼
►
and so now when I go to a handshake with
◼
►
someone I'm like very focused on keeping
◼
►
my fingers together to make sure that
◼
►
there is no accidental slippage here so
◼
►
it's been really rough for me Brady and
◼
►
then when you throw in the difficulty of
◼
►
living abroad as an expat and the
◼
►
complication of like who do you kiss
◼
►
because some people expect the kisses
◼
►
especially when you're dealing with
◼
►
foreigners and it's a broad like I can't
◼
►
deal with it and Here I am many years
◼
►
into life and I'm clearly getting much
◼
►
worse at the how do you greet another
◼
►
human protocol I'll tell you my biggest
◼
►
problem with the kiss okay and that is
◼
►
in a lot of the circles I move in the
◼
►
guys have a hug or a humble hug and
◼
►
male-female combinations do a kiss
◼
►
that's the way we roll right yep but I
◼
►
won't kiss someone who I don't know very
◼
►
well so sometimes if you're in a group
◼
►
and there are like say five or six women
◼
►
and you know them really well and
◼
►
there's one you don't you get into a
◼
►
situation where you use five people and
◼
►
then you get to the final person and
◼
►
you're like you just stick out your hand
◼
►
and shake your hand because it's like I
◼
►
don't you know it would be inappropriate
◼
►
for me to kiss you person and yet it
◼
►
almost feels like after you've just
◼
►
kissed all the other people it's almost
◼
►
like you're shunning them like it's like
◼
►
no I don't like you you know you smell I
◼
►
don't want to kiss you well of course
◼
►
that's not the case it creates a real
◼
►
awkward situation kiss kiss kiss kiss
◼
►
see you later shake and yeah yeah I
◼
►
don't know how to handle that you know I
◼
►
think that is the only way to handle
◼
►
that but I just feel a bit guilty it is
◼
►
extra worse because the the cheek kiss
◼
►
greeting thing I mean let's just ignore
◼
►
or to things like sometimes you never
◼
►
know what the other person's gonna do
◼
►
well you know sometimes free and you get
◼
►
you get cold out for only doing two
◼
►
there's three even work don't understand
◼
►
you go back to the one you started on
◼
►
you about it now yeah and if you're
◼
►
needed to do they're like no no no no we
◼
►
must do three no that's kissing the
◼
►
Latian no we're gonna be here all day
◼
►
doing this air kiss cheek thing okay so
◼
►
that situation with the kisses that is
◼
►
really hard I feel like the kiss is a
◼
►
closer greeting than the hug yeah I'm
◼
►
more discriminating with cheek kisses
◼
►
even err cheek kisses than I would be
◼
►
with hugs I think with a dude you can
◼
►
escalate to hug relatively quickly yeah
◼
►
or the humble hug because I really got
◼
►
to work on that I really got to work on
◼
►
that but so that's why it feels like if
◼
►
you've done the cheek kiss and then
◼
►
there's one woman who you don't feel
◼
►
it's okay or you know her well enough to
◼
►
do the cheek kiss it does now feel like
◼
►
it's an extra level of social rejection
◼
►
to not do the cheek kiss whereas I feel
◼
►
like when I've been in those situations
◼
►
where it's a group of people and someone
◼
►
does the hug I agree it feels like the
◼
►
only thing that you can do is i okay
◼
►
well now everybody's getting a hug right
◼
►
yeah hug escalation has just occurred
◼
►
yeah and now I have to remember for all
◼
►
of these people for all the rest of time
◼
►
that like we've escalated to hug and so
◼
►
I have to remember that next time so I
◼
►
don't downgrade them it doesn't feel
◼
►
like you can escalate to cheek kissing I
◼
►
feel especially as a guy like the other
◼
►
person has to initiate the cheek kissing
◼
►
thing is like okay then we're on this
◼
►
level and sometimes if you've done three
◼
►
they will realize okay this is awkward
◼
►
for him I'm gonna give him the cheek yes
◼
►
otherwise it's gonna be awkward for him
◼
►
but it's difficult this is difficult
◼
►
it's awful but I've been mean to ask you
◼
►
for months like help me greet people
◼
►
Brady I just don't know how to do it
◼
►
maybe I'll run like away days like you
◼
►
know up in the mountains where you come
◼
►
and do like a three or four day retreat
◼
►
we just do like hugging lessons and
◼
►
handshakes and air kisses and next time
◼
►
I see you in all seriousness I want you
◼
►
to help me practice the humble oh don't
◼
►
mention it don't reference it manikin a
◼
►
punching bag just be hugging it Oh day
◼
►
like okay maybe I'll give that a try but
◼
►
I feel like I've not been socially
◼
►
rejected you don't want to practice
◼
►
humble hugging degrading it hurts it
◼
►
hurts deep well as I record this in
◼
►
January you may be thinking about new
◼
►
year's resolutions and Harry's would
◼
►
like you to think about how they may fit
◼
►
in with that maybe you're planning to be
◼
►
a bit smarter with money this year
◼
►
and Harry's well they can save you about
◼
►
$100 a year if you're a frequent shaver
◼
►
or maybe you just want to take better
◼
►
care of yourself and again
◼
►
Harry's want to point out they've won
◼
►
countless grooming Awards they'll keep
◼
►
you looking and feeling great now
◼
►
personally I think Harry's have got
◼
►
great blades they give you a great
◼
►
comfortable glide a good shave and they
◼
►
do indeed save you money very reasonably
◼
►
priced but my favorite thing about
◼
►
Harry's is basically just the look and
◼
►
the feel of the product I really love
◼
►
the way they're shaving handles look
◼
►
nice clean lines simple not too kind of
◼
►
space-age in high-tech like a lot of
◼
►
other shaving brands that well
◼
►
personally I think look silly and I also
◼
►
love the packaging that Harry's comes in
◼
►
if you've ever ordered them you know
◼
►
what I mean not only is it nice to
◼
►
receive they make great gifts just cuz
◼
►
of the way everything's boxed and
◼
►
packaged and wrapped really top staff
◼
►
have a look check out their website if
◼
►
you want to know what I mean
◼
►
now Harry's line they always like to say
◼
►
they're about a great shave at a fair
◼
►
price and that's why over three million
◼
►
guys have switched to Harry's although I
◼
►
was just thinking how it has been around
◼
►
long enough that there are probably a
◼
►
lot of people now who haven't switched
◼
►
to Harry's but started on Harry's people
◼
►
whose first shave was with a Harry's
◼
►
razor maybe they've been Harry's all
◼
►
their Shaving life that's a fun thought
◼
►
now this is a company that's so
◼
►
confident that you're gonna love their
◼
►
blades they'll give you their free trial
◼
►
shave set for free when you sign up at
◼
►
Harry's calm /h I you just have to pay
◼
►
that's harrys.com /h I that's a free
◼
►
a 13 dollar value shave set and that's
◼
►
that's going to include their weighted
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►
economic razor handle five precision
◼
►
engineered blades with a lubricating
◼
►
strip and trimmer blade they're rich
◼
►
lathering shave gel and a travel blade
◼
►
cover so that the sharp blades not
◼
►
bouncing around in your toiletries kit
◼
►
when you're traveling around the place
◼
►
handy little extra that once more free
◼
►
trial' set harrys.com /h I get there now
◼
►
our thanks to them for supporting this
◼
►
episode I was at the cinema the other
◼
►
day actually it was when I saw the last
◼
►
Jedi it wasn't even the other day and
◼
►
they were running the thousand ads they
◼
►
run before films now which drives me
◼
►
crazy and they ran an ad for Twitter I
◼
►
was quite astonished by this ad I've
◼
►
read a bit about it since and heard a
◼
►
bit more about it I sent it to you
◼
►
earlier today this is breathtaking to me
◼
►
it's well known that Twitter has this
◼
►
problem of needing to get new people
◼
►
onto Twitter and someone has obviously
◼
►
convinced them that they need to pitch
◼
►
themselves at people who don't know what
◼
►
electricity is or something I don't know
◼
►
this is like these ads are pitched so
◼
►
low and so basic at teaching people what
◼
►
Twitter is and how to use it that if you
◼
►
need to be pitched this low at there's
◼
►
no way you're gonna use Twitter anyway
◼
►
in these ads it's like there's you know
◼
►
it's a couple of dumb scenarios but it's
◼
►
guys are trying to figure out how to use
◼
►
Twitter and someone comes along and it's
◼
►
like oh hey you need to pick a username
◼
►
Oh but-but-but my name's taken oh well
◼
►
then you have to think of a clever other
◼
►
username Brady can use an alternative
◼
►
name you don't have to use your heart
◼
►
name realize yes and now you follow
◼
►
things that you're interested so if
◼
►
you're so if you're interested in
◼
►
something that's the sort of thing you
◼
►
should follow and when you do that
◼
►
what's gonna happen is you're gonna be
◼
►
connected with other human beings who
◼
►
aren't you really and be able to see
◼
►
what those people are saying not you
◼
►
oh other people not me not you and see
◼
►
that magnifying glass thing's symbol
◼
►
that thing that looks like a magnifying
◼
►
glass right is that for like science
◼
►
lessons no that's what does is that lets
◼
►
and if there's something you want to
◼
►
find hmm click that you will be able to
◼
►
search and on Twitter you can find other
◼
►
things that weren't already on you
◼
►
things that weren't already on you
◼
►
screen you can find other things it's
◼
►
you've got to get on this thing man it's
◼
►
awesome well it certainly looks like
◼
►
it's a like a platform for morons based
◼
►
on these advertisements if you don't
◼
►
know these things you're so far from
◼
►
you're obviously don't use the Internet
◼
►
I do enjoy them explain the concept of a
◼
►
username yeah yeah like okay yeah great
◼
►
I think people are familiar with the
◼
►
idea that on websites you have user
◼
►
names I'm sure there are people who
◼
►
aren't familiar with that grey but those
◼
►
people aren't who you need to be
◼
►
advertising to then lost to you oh wow
◼
►
that's really bad I do feel like this is
◼
►
a thing where you know you start off
◼
►
with this concept that Twitter doesn't
◼
►
reach a general audience and I've always
◼
►
been on the side of a like man I wish
◼
►
Twitter didn't have a bazillion dollars
◼
►
worth of venture capital sunk into it so
◼
►
that it has to constantly grow because I
◼
►
just don't think that Twitter is ever
◼
►
going to be a facebook like thing I
◼
►
think you're always going to have like
◼
►
1/10 of the people who are on Facebook
◼
►
are on Twitter I don't think it's a
◼
►
useful social network for every human
◼
►
being in the world and I just don't
◼
►
think it ever will be and I'm also
◼
►
willing to bet that these ads are like
◼
►
throwing money into a black hole as far
◼
►
as Twitter is concerned you know
◼
►
probably in the in the kind of world
◼
►
where you're putting an advertisement
◼
►
for Twitter before a movie hey you know
◼
►
we're talking about like a first world
◼
►
country you probably have the Twitter
◼
►
market share that you're going to have I
◼
►
don't think there's a lot of growth like
◼
►
just let Twitter be Twitter maybe you
◼
►
could argue the ideas explaining how
◼
►
Twitter works to people and I think
◼
►
that's a waste of time but if you're
◼
►
advertising to people who sort of know
◼
►
what Twitter is but think it's not for
◼
►
them that add in no way makes you think
◼
►
oh there is a platform I'm gonna move to
◼
►
now like there's nothing in the ad that
◼
►
makes you think there's something I'm
◼
►
missing out on here I don't need to get
◼
►
on let's say you wanted people to sign
◼
►
up with Twitter that you thought this
◼
►
was a good idea and you thought hey
◼
►
maybe people are really unfamiliar with
◼
►
all of the great things that Twitter can
◼
►
our framing device is a hostage
◼
►
negotiation right so we're going to have
◼
►
a guy in a house who looks like he's a
◼
►
crazy person with police on the outside
◼
►
and we're going to have a hostage
◼
►
negotiator yelling the instructions of
◼
►
how to sign up for Twitter remotely at
◼
►
him like the crazy man in the house who
◼
►
if this was a movie in every movie would
◼
►
be like a lunatic with a gun holding
◼
►
hostages on the inside of the house like
◼
►
he's the guy who's coming out and it's
◼
►
using Twitter like it's I don't
◼
►
understand who this is for in both ads
◼
►
the guy that they're trying to get to
◼
►
use Twitter and be on Twitter is a god
◼
►
you don't want to be like he's like no I
◼
►
don't want to be that guy yeah in the
◼
►
second one he's like a shadow just
◼
►
running along a road for reasons I can't
◼
►
really understand it doesn't make any
◼
►
sense I mean like you can explain stuff
◼
►
simply if people need to know it I feel
◼
►
like a good example of this is like if
◼
►
you look at what the original iPhone
◼
►
commercials were those commercials are
◼
►
hilariously simple now where they
◼
►
explain very slowly how you make a phone
◼
►
call on your iPhone and they sure like
◼
►
you tap on this button and then you tap
◼
►
on the numbers yeah they show you like
◼
►
here's how you look up a place on a map
◼
►
on your iPhone and they go through it
◼
►
super simply but psych yeah that's
◼
►
because smartphones were new and they're
◼
►
also a product for the whole world click
◼
►
you want everybody to do this and Apple
◼
►
left those behind relatively quickly
◼
►
right whereas here now are like 10 years
◼
►
into the existence of Twitter and
◼
►
they're putting out ads to convince
◼
►
people to go on Twitter they're terrible
◼
►
ads and I bet their horrific ly
◼
►
ineffective but I'm always amazed stuff
◼
►
I kind of would love to be on the fly on
◼
►
the wall in the pitch meetings for this
◼
►
kind of thing like how does this
◼
►
locomotive leave the train station I
◼
►
just don't understand I know you sort of
◼
►
quite often go on sort of Twitter fasts
◼
►
where you're not on Twitter for a long
◼
►
time you know you're offline and then
◼
►
you'll sort of reappear after 2 or 3
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I've always wondered when you do that
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how far back will you go through sort of
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at replies and things like that to see
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what you missed or whom
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fire things at you or do you think like
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anything more than a day old is lost
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forever or will you sit there and go
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through like a timeline for the last
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week or so and go oh there's something
◼
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interesting there that's a funny picture
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or or will you just completely shun that
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oh now forget it I just I don't look in
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the past right the most I'll do which
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sounds terrible but it's true is because
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I am a lucky verified user on Twitter I
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will click on the verified tab to see if
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there's anything interesting in there
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and that is a vastly vastly smaller
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subsection of that replies yeah but no
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like haven't really been on Twitter very
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much at all in the past many weeks and I
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just don't bother to look at the app
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►
replies I don't think it's really a
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►
worthwhile thing to do to scroll back
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for three weeks worth of that reply it's
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like especially what makes Twitter great
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►
is it so in the moment yeah it feels way
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more ephemeral than other mediums do so
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I wouldn't go back through the history
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well are you thinking of taking a
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Twitter fast Brady are you looking for
◼
►
advice I was just curious I was curious
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I don't really go off for as long as you
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but sometimes I'll go back a day or two
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and there'll be something like ah I'm
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really glad I went back and found that
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because that was a real little gem that
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someone like a funny picture that a team
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sent me or something that I would have
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otherwise missed and I sort of think
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yeah you can miss some good stuff
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►
amongst all that rubbish that you don't
◼
►
want to say I was just curious you know
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everywhere in the world you can miss
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►
good stuff it doesn't mean that it makes
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►
sense to look everywhere in the world
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well that segues nicely to a quick one
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let's do a one of our famous quickfire
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rounds that we're so good at oh okay
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►
because you've missed a lot of news
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lately I have I have been very
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disconnected from the world so fill me
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in on the important updates that have
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been going on but we haven't spoken for
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►
a while and I've pulled together a small
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little collection of news stories that
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either I want to hear what you think
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about or I want to rant about the first
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►
one and I just came across this today is
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the humanity star okay I don't like the
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name of this already it looks like it's
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a small satellite that's some kind of
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geodesic sphere made from carbon fiber
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and highly reflective
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that has been put spinning into orbit
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and is designed to like flash as the Sun
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catches it so that it blinks a lot so
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that we can all look up and see it as
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some kind of inspirational art
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►
installation is this real I'm looking at
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his website this isn't a concept has
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this actually been launched it's not
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April 1st is it no I think it's up
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there's an app you can look where it is
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at the moment like it's currently
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heading towards Mongolia and then over
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Russia oh yeah oh yeah look at that
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there's a live map of where this space
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►
junk is how exciting it will last nine
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►
months and then it will fall out of
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►
orbit apparently where will it land yeah
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►
I mean yeah it will burn up I mean
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►
obviously there are certain satellites
◼
►
famously there's these Iridium flares
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►
that are caused by satellites when they
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catch the Sun at a certain angle and
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that's what inspired this they've made
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like a deliberate one that's full of
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►
mirrors that will do this rather than
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have it happen incidentally I am very
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►
unconvinced by the merits of this tell
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►
me why you're opposed to a Brady I think
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►
like the sky is maybe like the one
◼
►
untouched thing that isn't hasn't got
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►
like human machina Slover if you don't
◼
►
include skywriting and banners in Miami
◼
►
and things like that right like you can
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►
look up at the stars and see everything
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as it was like you know a thousand years
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►
ago and not have like coca-cola
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►
billboards and human intervention and I
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think this is the thin end of a wedge
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►
where we're now thinking oh now we can
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►
get things into space easier this is an
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►
opportunity to like put stuff up there
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►
that will catch people's eye and I think
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►
this is the star of coca-cola billboards
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►
in space where we're putting things in
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►
space deliberately to be seen back down
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►
here on earth like I know you can see
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►
the space station and you can see
◼
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satellites if the conditions are right
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►
and you'll see a dot moving through the
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►
stars but like that's kind of incidental
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►
this is like oh let's make something
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►
that deliberately catches people's
◼
►
attention down on earth and like do we
◼
►
want to go this way is this the
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►
direction we want to go well we're doing
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►
it yes but Brady in the Y section on the
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humanity star website yeah if they say
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►
that humanity is capable of great and
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►
kind things when we recognize we are one
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►
species responsible for the care of each
◼
►
and our planet together the humanity
◼
►
star is to remind us of this no matter
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►
where you are in the world rich or in
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►
poverty in conflict or at peace everyone
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►
will be able to see the bright blinking
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►
Humanity star orbiting the Earth in the
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►
night sky don't you think that's a noble
◼
►
goal breathing well you've just given
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►
them a nice piece of audio they can clip
◼
►
and put on their website it's a healthy
◼
►
reminder of how easy people in other
◼
►
countries can put satellites above our
◼
►
country I just think it's the star of
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►
mucking up space it wouldn't have
◼
►
crossed my mind that this might be the
◼
►
start of the thin end of a wedge I mean
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►
to me this just strikes me as like vain
◼
►
space junk more vain than putting a
◼
►
Tesla in space I feel like I missed that
◼
►
story I never quite got with her duty
◼
►
wasn't it launching a Tesla to Mars
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►
wasn't that what it was I don't think it
◼
►
was Mars I think it was to check it out
◼
►
in space somewhere what chuck it at the
◼
►
Sun like it was garbage is that what it
◼
►
now I need to Tesla in space what was
◼
►
that this is one of these things there
◼
►
was like it vaguely reached my bubble
◼
►
but didn't quite I think for some reason
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►
the need to put a heavy object out in
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space and they think well why not use a
◼
►
Tesla Roadster as opposed to just like a
◼
►
heavy thing at least the headlines are
◼
►
all saying that they're shooting a Tesla
◼
►
Roadster beyond Mars whatever that means
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►
but at least is not like there's a Tesla
◼
►
orbiting the Earth ridiculous if there
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►
was a Tesla that was orbiting the night
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►
sky so that everybody could look up and
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►
be reminded that humanity is capable of
◼
►
great things when we recognize we are
◼
►
one species responsible for the care of
◼
►
each other and our planet together that
◼
►
would be ridiculous okay yeah Musk's
◼
►
thing is they need to have a dummy
◼
►
payload to test a rocker and instead of
◼
►
just putting some concrete or rocks in
◼
►
it because you're obviously not going to
◼
►
put like a billion-dollar satellite in
◼
►
yet you know test right why not put a
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►
roadster in there because you know he's
◼
►
got them lying around so you know why
◼
►
not cross promote my my cars at the same
◼
►
time and like you know but I mean the
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►
guy's a total publicity tat say yes or
◼
►
at least there's a functional reason for
◼
►
that but the humanity star there why
◼
►
page does not convince me of the merits
◼
►
of it like you put a shiny thing up in
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►
the sky and just just because you say
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►
for this thing like it doesn't make it
◼
►
that thing it just is what it is plus
◼
►
the number of people who will ever
◼
►
recognize it or see it is tiny and if
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►
they do they won't think like wow I'm
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►
really feeling like I'm one with the
◼
►
human species they'll think I wonder
◼
►
what that dot is is it a plane
◼
►
or is it a satellite yeah whatever right
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►
and then that'll be the end of their
◼
►
thought process if they even notice it
◼
►
I love the condescending way you say
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►
well I mean come on you give it a name
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►
like that and that's what's going to
◼
►
happen like it's it's reaching so far
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►
yeah I feel like this is dumb and I
◼
►
really just wondered mostly about the
◼
►
details of how did this get up into
◼
►
orbit like what like I'm just realizing
◼
►
I don't really know how nations
◼
►
coordinate satellites up in space or
◼
►
anything I just realizing there's this
◼
►
huge gaping hole in my knowledge of how
◼
►
this kind of stuff works yeah I don't
◼
►
know maybe in ten years we'll be seeing
◼
►
coca-cola billboards as it gets cheaper
◼
►
and easier to launch things up into
◼
►
outer space well next time I'm following
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►
the humanity star tracker and I say it's
◼
►
going over London I'll give you a text
◼
►
and say go out now great oh yeah it's
◼
►
your chance to say it yeah I'm sure
◼
►
standing in central London where when I
◼
►
look up into the night sky and see
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►
nothing but blackness because my
◼
►
solution I'm sure I'll I'm sure I'll
◼
►
spot this one more nice more news
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►
Bam Bam Bam so I don't know if you saw
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►
this but there was an election in
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Virginia where the two candidates got
◼
►
equal votes and it was like in the
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11,000 s or something a really high
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►
number and they ended up on equal votes
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►
so they decided the election by a random
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►
draw which is interesting in itself and
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►
how they decide to do a random draw I
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►
find fascinating what do you think of
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►
deciding an election by randomness when
◼
►
the votes are even fair enough I'm kind
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►
of okay with it as long as it's set out
◼
►
in advance like everybody knows this is
◼
►
part of the rules like I think this is a
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not uncommon electoral feature nono
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►
happens nothing happens with smaller
◼
►
constituencies obviously where the vote
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►
numbers are lower but this was quite a
◼
►
high one to have a coin toss but yeah
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►
well there wasn't a coin toss they
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►
pulled names out of film canisters from
◼
►
but that's a whole other story he's very
◼
►
specific film canisters bought on Amazon
◼
►
the woman even like she was doing guys
◼
►
I bought these film canisters on Amazon
◼
►
they're unmarked and identical the A+
◼
►
American accent their breathing I don't
◼
►
know what that was it kind of I was
◼
►
halfway through I decided to convert to
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►
American say it all went a bit wrong how
◼
►
does that particularly enjoy
◼
►
non-americans doing American accents
◼
►
it's always a combination of horrific ly
◼
►
wrong in ways that are hard to place and
◼
►
also the horror of recognizing that this
◼
►
is what the world thinks you sounds like
◼
►
it's like okay this is what people
◼
►
people think Americans they always gave
◼
►
very southern very quickly as well yeah
◼
►
has also loud and broad that's also what
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►
it yeah do that I'm an American Oh
◼
►
perfect yep that could have come from
◼
►
anywhere America any town USA that's
◼
►
your American accent pretty so I just
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►
think the random the coin toss thing is
◼
►
like where pragmatism is running up
◼
►
against idealism we're sure in theory
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►
you would want to have the election
◼
►
again and I bet the simple fact of
◼
►
knowing that there was a tie would
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►
change the result the next time or it's
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►
just in shockingly unlikely that you
◼
►
would get a tie the next time but like
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►
what are you gonna do not every district
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in America can run a second election
◼
►
like sometimes especially in smaller
◼
►
races like you just need to get things
◼
►
moving and you need to put somebody in
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►
that office so um I'm sort of okay with
◼
►
the coin flip it's not ideal but it's
◼
►
practical under some circumstances this
◼
►
was the do story that has stuck in my
◼
►
head the longest over the last few weeks
◼
►
so I just thought I'd tell you about it
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►
okay this was a surgeon who got caught
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►
lasering his initials on two livers
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►
before he transplanted them into people
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►
it was just so remarkable like I
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►
couldn't have made that one up I'm not
◼
►
entirely clear why he did it I think it
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►
must have been like a vanity exercise
◼
►
like you know gray was here yeah I think
◼
►
yeah it's 100% vanity it's like asking
◼
►
for more podcast reviews yeah say his
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►
be he was lasering onto these livers
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►
which apparently didn't cause any damage
◼
►
to the livers and would eventually go
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►
away but apparently he got caught out
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►
when another surgeon opened up someone
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►
who needed like a little bit of running
◼
►
repairs and they said hang on is that an
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►
S be on the liver sb was here W uz and
◼
►
he got caught but the funny thing was
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►
they couldn't figure what to charge him
◼
►
with he was charged with assault
◼
►
occasioning actual bodily harm which
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►
seems like a strange charge for that
◼
►
like putting your initials on a liver
◼
►
that's not even in a person and then
◼
►
putting that in but he pleaded not
◼
►
guilty to that and he ended up pleading
◼
►
guilty to two counts of assault by
◼
►
beating as bad as they like yes in my
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►
mind like I'm trying to think of what
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►
would you charge a person
◼
►
assault as what just popped into my head
◼
►
is the first choice yeah but if the
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►
liver was not inside the person when it
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►
happened maybe it was maybe it was maybe
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►
he put it in and then put his SPF
◼
►
towards to say job done like like
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►
signing your artwork if it's in the
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►
person I feel like if it could be
◼
►
assault if it's not in the person if
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►
it's on the table then it feels like
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►
property damage say this other surgeon
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►
that core team might open someone up and
◼
►
saw it took a photograph of it with
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►
their mobile phone of the four
◼
►
centimeter high branding that's like oh
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►
my goodness I'm gonna take a picture of
◼
►
that is there a picture in this article
◼
►
I want to think I haven't seen a picture
◼
►
of the SBA ah I don't know if that's
◼
►
come out what a story hey I feel like
◼
►
this story is so weird on so many levels
◼
►
like surgeons always have that cliche
◼
►
you know there are they've got a god
◼
►
complex and they think they're awesome
◼
►
like this is really reinforcing that
◼
►
stereotype that he's like thinks he's
◼
►
like this Picasso of surgery and has to
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►
sign his work well I mean on the one
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►
hand the man's putting new livers into
◼
►
people like Picasso couldn't do that so
◼
►
what you think he has got a right to
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►
sign it well I think this is one of the
◼
►
most amazing news stories why can't the
◼
►
news all be this this is fantastic Brady
◼
►
I want every news story to be this news
◼
►
story I love this line in the sand
◼
►
the Kalam reading about it says a barium
◼
►
Crown Court representative said he was
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►
charged with assault causing actual
◼
►
bodily harm but pleaded guilty on
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►
Wednesday to a lesser charge of assault
◼
►
by baiting and that it puts in practice
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►
beating here refers to the physical act
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►
of inscribing the livers not actually
◼
►
beating the patients that's a whole side
◼
►
story about the ridiculousness of plea
◼
►
I'll admit guilty to a crime they didn't
◼
►
I think that stuff is crazy but I feel
◼
►
like okay if I had had a liver
◼
►
transplant and I found out that the the
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►
surgeon had signed my liver even in a
◼
►
temporary way I would be really annoyed
◼
►
by that I would feel like that was some
◼
►
kind of violation oh yeah
◼
►
the patients were annoyed but they were
◼
►
very upset about it they felt very
◼
►
violated I heard some of them on the
◼
►
radio yeah yeah it would feel weirdly
◼
►
violating but I feel like I can't go to
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►
see surgeons perspective which is like
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►
I'm an awesome guy putting livers into
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►
human beings like I can do like a fun
◼
►
non-harmful temporary thing like I can
◼
►
kind of see what the thought process
◼
►
would be going through his head you're
◼
►
like a surgical banksy I don't know I
◼
►
can't come up with the comparison but
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►
it's like one of the very early max I
◼
►
think the whole development team like
◼
►
sawing the inside of the cases for the
◼
►
first run or something like that
◼
►
feel like oh that's great that's an
◼
►
addition I open to the computer and like
◼
►
the chip designer had written his name
◼
►
across the inside I wouldn't feel
◼
►
annoyed I would feel kind of like yeah
◼
►
you can't do that you can put your name
◼
►
on the inside of the machine that I'll
◼
►
never see or even in videogames coders
◼
►
are notorious for hiding signatures and
◼
►
little personal things inside the game
◼
►
that like the CEO of a company will
◼
►
never know is there and that they really
◼
►
probably shouldn't be putting in there
◼
►
but they do anyway and it becomes Easter
◼
►
eggs and I feel like all of that is some
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►
kind of fun but then when it's a liver
◼
►
it just it feels really different and it
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►
feels totally wrong but I can't find in
◼
►
my mind where the line is between like
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►
the Mac or the video game Easter eggs
◼
►
and this signature which is really
◼
►
complicated by the fact that it is
◼
►
impermanent that it's not there forever
◼
►
I've got a dusty windscreen on my car
◼
►
and someone with their finger writes you
◼
►
know clean me yeah yeah like have they
◼
►
vandalized my car yeah have they
◼
►
battered your car battery here refers to
◼
►
the act of right and clean me in the
◼
►
window it does not refer to physical
◼
►
assault punching the cat yeah here's a
◼
►
quote from someone whose life he saved
◼
►
previously who I don't think he wrote
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►
his initials on or maybe he did well
◼
►
maybe he did she said even if he did put
◼
►
his initials on a transplanted liver is
◼
►
it really that bad I wouldn't have cared
◼
►
if he did it to me the man saved my life
◼
►
I think that that's what's on the other
◼
►
side of my mental scale here is I would
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►
feel violently but at the same time it's
◼
►
like I've gotten another liver put
◼
►
inside me it's amazing but like a pilot
◼
►
flies you across the Atlantic without
◼
►
you dying does that mean the pilot now
◼
►
has the right to gouge his initials in
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►
some part of your body because he didn't
◼
►
crash the plane and therefore saved your
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►
life you're helping the language here
◼
►
right to gouge which sounds like it sure
◼
►
is permanent well but it's not worse
◼
►
than battery but battery there refers to
◼
►
the fact of the legs that right as
◼
►
opposed to physical yeah so stupid but I
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►
don't know like if a plane landed and
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►
the pilot was like giving hath
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►
signatures to everybody on the way out
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of the plane I feel like yeah I guess so
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or to put it another way if the pilot
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walked out halfway across the Atlantic
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flight and said I'm not gonna go back
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into the cockpit and this you've let me
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write my initials on your liver you'd
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probably say go ahead just land the
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plane what a weird story
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yeah see what you miss out by not
◼
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following the news I feel like this is
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the most interesting news story you have
◼
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brought to me in the entire lifetime of
◼
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this podcast yeah so if I miss out on
◼
►
one of these every half a decade I think
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I'm still coming out ahead here's a good
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one for you then this is a story from a
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museum in Bristol that got caught
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selling prints of a Banksy statue that
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was in its museum without Banksy's
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permission this is bang see the famous
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you know graffiti artist mysterious
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person who nowhere knows who he is for
◼
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people who don't know Banksy is right
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whose dismal land we went to go see
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exactly so Banksy's people said yeah you
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don't have permission the museum
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apologized profusely and stopped selling
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them they were selling like hotcakes
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apparently and that's
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stop selling them and it was a little
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kerfuffle now the thing I find most
◼
►
interesting about this is that Banksy
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who made his name illegally graffitiing
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things around Bristol and other places
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is now on this high horse saying how
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dare you how dare you break the law and
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make money off me without my permission
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like am I the only one who has this
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little voice in the back of my head gang
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you know I'm all for protecting the
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artists rights you know we've talked
◼
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about freebooting enough but I'm like
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can Banksy do that I am honestly torn
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because I hate saying artists being
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exploited and taken advantage of but
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this is the one person who I feel like
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he's not in a strong position to say you
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can only make money and do things you
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know the right way his whole reputation
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has been built on writing on walls he's
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not allowed to write on and like you
◼
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know this gorilla thing about him he's
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talented guy but he's he made his name
◼
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in this dodgy way I just thought it was
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►
like a bit funny yeah under different
◼
►
circumstances Banksy might have to have
◼
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had plead guilty to battery on walls all
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over the United Kingdom there is
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definitely the case of if Banksy was a
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less good artist he would just be in
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jail but it's true right it's totally
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true some some of the things he's done
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if he wasn't a famous artist totally be
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in prison oh yeah I do feel like we have
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to live in a world of laws and the laws
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have to apply to us all and they have to
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be executed fairly I do agree that like
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if Banksy is ever complaining about
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copyright infringement or people using
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his stuff in ways that it shouldn't he
◼
►
he is an artist that is going to have
◼
►
less of my sympathy and concern over
◼
►
the Louis Goodwin it's AIT's a but not
◼
►
when it doesn't say yes obviously your
◼
►
copyright should be protected but I'm
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gonna be worried about other things much
◼
►
higher on the queue my concern over
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►
monkey copyright is way higher than my
◼
►
concern over Banksy copyright last but
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►
not least cuz you know we like a you
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►
know logos you know we are design
◼
►
a flag reputation precedes us we are
◼
►
professional critique errs of many
◼
►
things Brady this is right
◼
►
so they've released the official logo
◼
►
for the 2018 World Chess Championship
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►
you know how I love the World Chess
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►
Championship so I was very excited to
◼
►
see the logo they had released I want to
◼
►
know what you think of it and we'll
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►
obviously will link in the show notes
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►
for the teams I mean I'd like to hear
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►
you even try to describe it before you
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►
tell me what you think of it yeah
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►
so how would one describe this game good
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luck okay so we'll start with the easy
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part imagine a chessboard with a pawn on
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it it's a black and white logo to go
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with the black and white board the
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chessboard is being held by six by six
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chessboard I might point out with this
◼
►
by-the-by cut you know what you're right
◼
►
I'm so distracted by a few other
◼
►
features of this logo that I didn't
◼
►
notice that right away yes the nerds did
◼
►
vid yes okay so the chessboard is done
◼
►
incorrectly that's great but the
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chessboard is being held by two
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nightmare silhouettes of humans that
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have checkered or lined patterns on
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themselves and they are horribly Mis
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►
proportioned for humans and torsos are
◼
►
too long their arms are intertwined in a
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►
way that doesn't seem like it would make
◼
►
sense they're both looking at the
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►
chessboard and directly below the
◼
►
chessboard the bottom half of both of
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their bodies seem to be entwined in a
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pornographic matter their legs are
◼
►
intertwined in a way that is well beyond
◼
►
a humble hug that's for sure yes you
◼
►
would want to greet someone like that
◼
►
yeah this would be an inappropriate
◼
►
greeting for all but the most intimates
◼
►
of partners we would have to host a lot
◼
►
more podcast together before we greet as
◼
►
each other like that that will never
◼
►
happen there is no number of podcasts
◼
►
you can host that will make this
◼
►
appropriate greedy it has been described
◼
►
as a Kama Sutra logo tantric sexy the
◼
►
pun pornographic has been used some
◼
►
people lover it emits high concept you
◼
►
know it's real concept art isn't it's
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►
really abstract and you know the people
◼
►
who love it are wrong art is subjective
◼
►
but this is not this is ugly and
◼
►
horrible it is not at the Maryland point
◼
►
of awfulness it's just terrible and
◼
►
uncomfortable and if I didn't know
◼
►
better I would have assumed this was
◼
►
some kind of joke that this was not real
◼
►
god I hope so there was a lot of
◼
►
complaints about it but I think it might
◼
►
still be the official Lakers well I mean
◼
►
if I was on the committee that had
◼
►
approved this logo so I mean let's let's
◼
►
imagine that I'm the kind of person who
◼
►
would approve this logo in the first
◼
►
place and then the enormous amount of
◼
►
pushback comes back it's like well as
◼
►
always my advice is don't negotiate with
◼
►
terrorists if I was on that logo
◼
►
committee I would hold strong like nope
◼
►
this is your logo deal with the people I
◼
►
think now I'm hearing something where
◼
►
this is like an alternative logo there
◼
►
were two different logos it is still a
◼
►
logo and if we shall logo but there's
◼
►
another logo as well this is like an
◼
►
alternative comic book cover that's what
◼
►
you're saying yeah but I don't know
◼
►
which came first but I've just seen this
◼
►
other one on Wikipedia which is the same
◼
►
kind of look but without the men doing
◼
►
the sexy sexy intertwined pose hmm this
◼
►
one also looks like it's got an 8 by 8
◼
►
chess board this looks like it's the
◼
►
correction logo but okay so this other
◼
►
logo that you have sent me is also
◼
►
terrible oh it's horrendous and now as
◼
►
opposed to 10 trick people in twine in
◼
►
an uncomfortable manner now it is just
◼
►
their arms and hands entwined in an
◼
►
inappropriate manner so I don't like
◼
►
this at all I feel like both of these
◼
►
logos aside from their design are
◼
►
missing something about chess which is
◼
►
that like I bet a lot of the people who
◼
►
are really good at chess they're not
◼
►
like people people I think they're
◼
►
people who are really into chess they're
◼
►
into the abstract mathematical puzzle
◼
►
like routine like nature of chess
◼
►
I feel like the logo shouldn't be
◼
►
covered in all these gross people I feel
◼
►
like this is exactly the kind of thing
◼
►
the people who are into chess would not
◼
►
want in their logo I feel like they
◼
►
would want the Chess so yeah both of
◼
►
these are horrible one more horrible
◼
►
than the other but both no good it's
◼
►
apparently sort of controversial and
◼
►
edgy like the host city which is London
◼
►
how is London and a controversial and
◼
►
edgy host city it's designed by shuka a
◼
►
Russian studio he can buy the poster for
◼
►
45 currencies I'm not sure what currency
◼
►
I'm looking at it cost 45 something's 45
◼
►
in traditional black and white the print
◼
►
is an excellent piece for a poster
◼
►
collection signed and hand printed on
◼
►
gallery stock level who's assigned by
◼
►
the designer and Gaston it's signed by
◼
►
the surgeon who's replaced your liver
◼
►
when you get the poster anyway it did
◼
►
catch my eye and I I just wanted to see
◼
►
what you thought of it I've got more
◼
►
design things for you to review in
◼
►
future episodes but we'll come to that
◼
►
later thumbs down on this one era that's
◼
►
pretty terrible okay Brady I have one
◼
►
piece of news to bring to the table as
◼
►
well this week and this is yet another
◼
►
YouTube kerfuffle yep
◼
►
good old YouTube always making sure to
◼
►
kick up a fuss in their own very special
◼
►
ways but the latest of these kerfuffles
◼
►
is that at some point last year YouTube
◼
►
introduced this concept that you would
◼
►
not be able to put advertisements on
◼
►
your YouTube channel until you had
◼
►
reached a certain minimum popularity
◼
►
threshold so it used to be that you
◼
►
could make a YouTube channel you could
◼
►
put up YouTube videos but you couldn't
◼
►
participate in the Adsense program until
◼
►
you had gotten 1,000 subscribers
◼
►
yeah and this kicked up a big fuss back
◼
►
at the time I feel like it was kind of
◼
►
fine for YouTube to do whatever but so
◼
►
now here we are and YouTube has turned
◼
►
their requirements here so now the big
◼
►
barrier that people have to pass is they
◼
►
need to have a total watch time of 4,000
◼
►
hours on their channel in the past
◼
►
twelve months so four thousand human
◼
►
hours have to have been burned on your
◼
►
YouTube channel before you are allowed
◼
►
to put YouTube ads on there without
◼
►
sounding like an idiot gray or sounding
◼
►
like I'm humble bragging cuz I'm not is
◼
►
I have no sort of sense as to that if
◼
►
that's so unreasonably high number or
◼
►
that's just like you know that's still
◼
►
pretty attainable for a solid channel
◼
►
that should be any money well this is
◼
►
part of it there's one little detail
◼
►
here before we get to that but it's just
◼
►
that the other thing that is different
◼
►
about this change versus the last change
◼
►
is that YouTube is also making it
◼
►
retroactive that previously channels had
◼
►
been grandfathered in if they were not
◼
►
under the limit but now YouTube has
◼
►
revoked monetization from channels that
◼
►
do not hit the 4,000 hour barrier and
◼
►
that has caused an enormous amount of
◼
►
discussion around YouTube and YouTube
◼
►
ruining smaller creators and spoiler
◼
►
alert I think all of these complaints
◼
►
are pointless and for nothing the answer
◼
►
to your question is like is 4,000 hours
◼
►
a lot there's like two answers to those
◼
►
questions is like four thousand hours is
◼
►
a lot for someone who's just making some
◼
►
random youtube channel and uploading
◼
►
videos to get like a normal person like
◼
►
pull a random person off the street and
◼
►
if you put a gun to their head and said
◼
►
you need to make a youtube channel it
◼
►
gets 4000 watch hours like that's
◼
►
actually a pretty hard task but if you
◼
►
even are remotely a channel that has any
◼
►
possibility of doing this in even the
◼
►
smallest professional way 4000 hours is
◼
►
a very very small barrier to cross
◼
►
yeah YouTube's back this up as well with
◼
►
some of the data they released where
◼
►
they talked about how something like
◼
►
ninety or ninety-five percent of all of
◼
►
the channels that could possibly affect
◼
►
over the entire course of their
◼
►
existence less than $100 in ad revenue
◼
►
which is the minimum that YouTube
◼
►
requires before they'll pay out any of
◼
►
the advertising revenue so it's like yes
◼
►
there were YouTube channels that were
◼
►
earning some money from YouTube that
◼
►
will no longer be able to do it after
◼
►
this change but when I was doing some
◼
►
back of the envelope calculations I mean
◼
►
we're talking about channels that were
◼
►
earning like two dollars a month or
◼
►
three dollars a month and the outpouring
◼
►
of rage over this has been enormous and
◼
►
I think it is entirely because YouTube
◼
►
made maybe a strategic error in taking
◼
►
away monetization from channels that
◼
►
already have it I feel like that is what
◼
►
kicked this up into a big fuss is there
◼
►
were a bunch of channels that were just
◼
►
under this barrier and then YouTube says
◼
►
like oh we're taking away your money and
◼
►
people flip out because they feel like
◼
►
but I'm looking at this report here that
◼
►
says in the past five years I've made
◼
►
$25 on YouTube YouTube is stealing from
◼
►
me my $25 and it's like I mean yeah in a
◼
►
sense they are but I'm not often I like
◼
►
a super friend of YouTube here but I
◼
►
feel like this is a big deal out of
◼
►
nothing and if YouTube wants to tighten
◼
►
up the rules about what channels can
◼
►
monetize fine I think it's fine to do I
◼
►
have had a lot of thoughts about this to
◼
►
grade and I read I actually read a lot
◼
►
of the online commenting about this from
◼
►
the people who are upset by and they
◼
►
made fair points one of the points is
◼
►
yeah okay I know it's only a few dollars
◼
►
but it's really motivating to me and
◼
►
also it makes me feel included and
◼
►
things like that that seems to be some
◼
►
of the main arguments I heard that yeah
◼
►
I'm not making a living yet but just
◼
►
seeing those two or three dollars you
◼
►
know when you're starting out makes a
◼
►
difference and also yeah this sort of
◼
►
discrimination and it's really hard for
◼
►
people like you and I to comment on it
◼
►
because you know we have quite big
◼
►
YouTube channels and therefore we're not
◼
►
affected by it so it's like oh it's easy
◼
►
for you to say but the thing I kept
◼
►
thinking about is if like if you're
◼
►
being I don't know maybe this is too
◼
►
naive of me but if you're being
◼
►
motivated by money at that early stage
◼
►
then I'm not sure how much hope I hold
◼
►
for you anyway a lot of the people who
◼
►
I'm friends with who've gone onto
◼
►
YouTube because they've thought oh you
◼
►
can make money on YouTube I never
◼
►
realized this was a business thing and
◼
►
have started channels to make money have
◼
►
whereas people I know who've made
◼
►
YouTube channels for other reasons like
◼
►
you know they had something they wanted
◼
►
to say they wanted the creative process
◼
►
and they hoped to be successful or even
◼
►
like you know ego reasons and they liked
◼
►
seeing themselves on a screen those
◼
►
people tend to succeed more anyway and
◼
►
the thing I kept thinking about was when
◼
►
I started making YouTube videos
◼
►
I don't think monetization existed when
◼
►
I first started it wouldn't have yeah
◼
►
because I started later than you and it
◼
►
I remember getting an email or a message
◼
►
from YouTube saying do you want to sign
◼
►
up for this program where you can get
◼
►
money for your video is like a share of
◼
►
the ad content I honestly thought it was
◼
►
a joke I thought I thought it was a
◼
►
prank or a trap someone was trying to
◼
►
get my credit card details or something
◼
►
I'd been making videos for ages and
◼
►
getting a lot of pleasure from it and
◼
►
starting to have success and I didn't
◼
►
even think I could make money from I
◼
►
wasn't even thinking like that and I
◼
►
think it's really interesting the way
◼
►
there is a sense of entitlement from
◼
►
people I mean I don't love you to bother
◼
►
but they do create this amazing platform
◼
►
and opportunity for people to reach
◼
►
audiences and this technology to host
◼
►
all this video they do supply something
◼
►
and she's fair enough when you get
◼
►
bigger and you start making YouTube
◼
►
money you should get a cut of that pie
◼
►
but in the early stages when you're not
◼
►
actually making YouTube money and you're
◼
►
taking advantage of this fabulous
◼
►
opportunity where you could make money
◼
►
in the future and in the meantime you've
◼
►
got access to this platform I find it
◼
►
interesting how entitled these people
◼
►
sound like how dare you not let me have
◼
►
2 or 3 dollars like ok how would you
◼
►
feel if YouTube started charging you to
◼
►
use the platform I do hear the other
◼
►
side of the argument but I do think they
◼
►
sound a little bit entitled for such a
◼
►
small amount of money and if if you
◼
►
can't get to 4 thousand hours on that
◼
►
then and you're not going to make much
◼
►
I feel like you'll get rewarded if you
◼
►
could enough anyway I did think it was
◼
►
interesting that said I don't really
◼
►
care that much the thing I found more
◼
►
interesting was all the people debating
◼
►
what was going on and why were YouTube
◼
►
doing this and how little it was
◼
►
attached to the ad pocalypse like the
◼
►
link between this and the ad pocalypse
◼
►
seemed to be lost and i i heard all
◼
►
these debates and conversations and
◼
►
forums saying what are they doing why
◼
►
they're doing it it's so unfair I hardly
◼
►
heard people talking about that and I
◼
►
think it's entirely related to that yeah
◼
►
I assume it's related as well that what
◼
►
they previously had done they realized
◼
►
they hadn't quite set the threshold high
◼
►
enough yeah so they couldn't filter out
◼
►
these these channels with ten views that
◼
►
get screenshotted by The Times and then
◼
►
make them look stupid yeah and I suspect
◼
►
that because the previous threshold was
◼
►
based entirely on subscriber numbers
◼
►
that that was probably an easier thing
◼
►
for nefarious channels to fake than
◼
►
watch time is to just you know create a
◼
►
bunch of bots that just subscribe to a
◼
►
channel and now it's monetized YouTube
◼
►
is pretty on the ball for making sure
◼
►
that view numbers are as real as they
◼
►
can make sure that they are so I'm I
◼
►
imagine that faking watch time is a much
◼
►
harder thing to do for YouTube channels
◼
►
two points about what you originally
◼
►
said though is I do completely agree
◼
►
with you and I think that there is
◼
►
something that is invisible to many
◼
►
users which is the very idea that
◼
►
YouTube as particularly as a you know
◼
►
high-definition 4k video hosting
◼
►
platform the existence of users costs
◼
►
YouTube money it costs YouTube money in
◼
►
terms of maintenance and bandwidth and
◼
►
all of these other things that they have
◼
►
to do this is one of the reasons why
◼
►
YouTube has always struggled with
◼
►
profitability is because it's a site
◼
►
that is very different from other sites
◼
►
so like just the existence of the users
◼
►
does cost it something and I feel like
◼
►
people are not aware of that and so that
◼
►
it that is also partly why when someone
◼
►
says like oh I didn't get my $25 and
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YouTube is stealing it from us as Ike
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well the YouTube doesn't have the 100
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dollar threshold for no reason like
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there's all these other logistic
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problems that are there so it's a bit
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the promise of some money but you have
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to generate enough to make it worthwhile
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to even pay you and I think people don't
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quite understand that concept but I will
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disagree with you about the idea of the
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money motivation I thought you would
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yeah I thought you might suspect that I
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would but like I do have to say because
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when I started on YouTube as well when I
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first put up the first few videos that
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the monetization program did not exist
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and when it came around I got an email
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like a week after my UK video went up
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where at that point YouTube was simply
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trialing monetization and they were
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still doing it on an approved video
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basis so that video had gone in front of
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some human who then sent me an email
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saying would you like this video to be
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included in the monetization program and
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my later videos you know didn't get in
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front of a human to be monetized and so
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for the first while I was earning very
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very little money from YouTube but I
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will say that like I find the argument
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that it's motivating to see the money
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grow is compelling because I for sure
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know that that was the case with me and
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there is a way in which it's like oh I
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earned $5.00 this week like how can I
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crank that up to ten dollars and it is
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motivating to see that happen but my
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asterisk to that point though is I feel
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like the context in which I was
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originally doing that is very different
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whereas now everybody knows that YouTube
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is a platform where if you become
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popular you can earn money from it it's
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just a known thing whereas I feel like
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it was different from me when I was
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getting started because it was so much
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more uncertain like I didn't know
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anybody could make a living off of
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YouTube when I was trying to make those
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numbers go up so I feel like if someone
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is saying like oh the money is really
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motivating it's like but yes we all know
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that if you are popular on YouTube you
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can make money from I feel like knowing
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is the play a little bit and so I'm
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again I'm a farm fine with you two
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putting in this 4,000 hour limit because
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people know that if they can get above
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that they can start earning some money
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like obviously I hear what you're saying
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great and like I know different people
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are motivated by different things but
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now that the money side of YouTube is
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such a known thing as you say everyone
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knows that if you get big you can earn
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money yeah I feel like there's already
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enough metrics and gamification of
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YouTube there in those early stages
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there are enough things that you can
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crank up and try to get beyond knowing
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that the money's coming like you're
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watching 100% I agree oh that's already
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there for people I agree with you that's
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why I'm saying I feel like it's
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different I feel like you don't need to
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see that you earned a couple of dollars
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this week because everybody understands
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now the concept of subscribers and the
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views and the watch that's a like you
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have enough things to work I mean you
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could have a watch time here's your
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countdown to monetization just 500 more
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hours of watch time and you can monetize
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yeah I completely agree I think that the
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money argument is the most compelling
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but I don't think it's compelling enough
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because of the concept of people can
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make a living on YouTube and people see
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that and I came across a thing which I
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feel like made me so sad with the world
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►
but it's also so obvious which was
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survey of kids in high school and like
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what do they want to be when they grow
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up and YouTube vlogger was the number
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one buy some astonishing margin and it's
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like it's not surprising but also made
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me hugely depressed and do you think
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it's really interesting that there
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exists now enough people on YouTube who
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are making a living at it who for
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essentially all of their teenage life
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they have grown up with the idea that
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this is a thing that people can do and
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they have set out very intentionally to
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do that so I feel like there's enough
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motivation in the world for people to
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try to do this kind of thing and the
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barrier that YouTube is putting up is
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not any kind of barrier if you are going
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any kind of financial success on YouTube
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the other thing that the people aren't
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realizing in my opinion is that this
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could be for their own good like if this
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is to mitigate some of the ad pocalypse
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►
problems of ads being served against
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content that you don't want to see ads
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next to because of such bad PR then this
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could save them I know that you've
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always had more of an attitude that the
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financial factors will win out and just
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advertisers wanting to advertise on
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online video because that's where the
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eyeballs are will always win out and the
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►
ad pocalypse maybe we shouldn't panic
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about but I'm getting more and more
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►
worried about it because the pressure
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that's being brought to bear is not just
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on advertisers now it's on legislators
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and politicians and we've got people
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like the prime ministers at Davos as
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we're recording at the moment and one of
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the things she's going to give a speech
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about is whether or not the UK should
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introduce legislation to do with content
◼
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on YouTube and things like that and if
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►
laws introduced then like market forces
◼
►
aren't the only problem and if they make
◼
►
bad laws you know I think we're in a lot
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►
of peril at the moment yeah I'm unaware
◼
►
of them the politicians have been leaned
◼
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on by all these newspaper articles and
◼
►
just to shut up the newspapers they're
◼
►
beginning to mumble about okay maybe
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►
we'll make laws when politicians make
◼
►
bad laws then you have got problems yeah
◼
►
laws are the opposite of markets in many
◼
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ways but I feel like what happened with
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sort of ad pocalypse version 2 which was
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►
all the stuff around kid content like
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that's what kicked it off into
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politician Minds is who you know it
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►
always wins votes protecting children
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protecting children wins votes because
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who wants to be against protecting
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children I'm not aware of any of the
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►
political maneuvers but boy I do not
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►
like the sound of that one tiny bit and
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I agree that is vastly more of a concern
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about what does youtube look like in the
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future if the UK or other countries
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start introducing poorly thought out
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protective you know content laws and
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requirements around videos on the
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internet there big debate at the moment
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is whether or not YouTube should be
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regulated like television use and
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controls over what's allowed and not
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allowed at that more stringent level
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YouTube's like obviously lobbying
◼
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against that but yeah I mean obviously I
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think it shouldn't be I presume that you
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►
would think that it shouldn't be
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although I don't want to speak on your
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no I think it's really dangerous I'm
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kind of curious though like as someone
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who has worked in TV like can you
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articulate why you think there's a
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difference between YouTube and TV
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because I mean I think someone can make
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the argument that's like well it all
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comes through your iPhone now and
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they're just apps and you know what's
◼
►
what's the difference now right like I
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think that's that's an argument that
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doesn't have an immediately obviously
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like why is Netflix different from TV
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like well it comes over the internet
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it's like well your TV comes over the
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Internet's Netflix is probably more
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heavily regulated to then I don't know I
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feel like your Netflix is regulated in
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the sense that it is a gatekeeper that
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is producing and selecting content right
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whereas YouTube is the Wild West right I
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find a hard to give reasons I mean I can
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see why you can do it to TV and radio
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because they're using like public
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spectrum and they've licensed public
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spectrum and therefore I can see how
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you've got a toehold into saying we can
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regulate you because you're using
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something the public owns because the
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public owns the spectrum whereas no one
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owns the internet pipes yeah in terms of
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the rationale for I find difficult to
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why can you upload something really
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offensive to YouTube but you can't
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broadcast on TV I find that hard to
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answer my personal answer to something
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like that would be that YouTube because
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it is individuals uploading stuff it's a
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lot closer to the end of people talking
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right it's like yeah humans talking and
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so if you say that this is oh we're
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going to regulate this like it's
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television well it would be kind of
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►
crazy to say oh the government is going
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to come in and going to regulate
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conversations between people and so I
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feel like that that's one of the things
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that is the difference
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is it's like if someone uploads of like
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a silly video to Facebook you wouldn't
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like oh but they have all the
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responsibilities that BBC you know
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Channel - yes it's just not the same
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thing because it's produced by an
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individual but I can see where many
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parents from their perspective it all
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might seem like oh it's just TV like
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it's all just shows and stuff and
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YouTube is just one channel like Netflix
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is one channel like anything else is one
◼
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channel and then if that is the message
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that gets sent to politicians is like
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well time to regulate this stuff yeah
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that is not a good piece of news that
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you have brought to me Brady yeah maybe
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I think the other unfortunate thing
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about the timing of this YouTube thing
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was I think I just coincidentally had
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this proximity to this Logan poll
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controversy so people think it's very
◼
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tied in with that mm I think it's not so
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tied in with that I think that logan
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poll thing was like a one-off incident
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but it was so high-profile that people
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are forgetting that the bigger problem
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is this more insidious long-term
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campaign being run by legacy media was
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the YouTube monetization I thought that
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was announced before the Logan Paul
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thing but maybe not maybe was announced
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after I don't know but I feel like I
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sort of they've all become a bit
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intertwined now and people have lost the
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thread a bit over where the root danger
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is yeah it just becomes a big mush in
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people's heads like oh there's problems
◼
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on YouTube let's step in and try to fix
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the problems on YouTube I feel like
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there's mostly no problem but okay yeah
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well anyway I'm sorry if your channel
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lost monetization but I don't think it's
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a big I wish they hadn't done it to
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those people because they're good people
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and I want them to be happy but I think
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they're overly worried and if they're
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good enough and I hope they are good
◼
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enough then they'll be fine in no time
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and and hopefully what's being done is
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for their greater good - and keeps the
◼
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platform flush yeah I wish they hadn't
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done it I would be happy if YouTube did
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a more tiered system as part of their
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auction and they could say like Oh
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videos start out in the total wild west
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and if you want to bid on videos out
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there you totally can but we're you know
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no claims at all about what that content
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is but obviously YouTube has decided not
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to go that direction so at least I'm
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►
sure we can know that from this point
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out it's all been sorted and it's going
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to be nothing but smooth sailing and
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clear communication from here on out
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lots to to talk about it yeah I feel
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like we've we've somehow gotten
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ourselves on the black mirror hook and I
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don't know as a meta comment I feel very
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differently about it this year because
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like when we first talked about black
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mirror I feel like it was a relatively
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smaller show that was in the UK and now
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this time when I go to watch it like
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it's boom it's all over Netflix and they
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put up this big Netflix original banner
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which I never quite know what that means
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because it clearly shows the Netflix
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doesn't make they put under that but
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yeah I feel like black mirror has really
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exploded across the world and so we've
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gotten a ton of feedback about watching
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the episodes and yeah they do sometimes
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hit some hello Internet II themes I
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think they very often don't you yeah and
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so for this episode we didn't have time
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to watch all of them but we have watched
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the first episode of the fourth season
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which I'm forgetting the name it's USS
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was the name of the spaceship Callister
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or something yeah USS Callister let's
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just say that let's go with that I've
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watched it twice oh wow yeah I watched
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it three hours ago and I watched it and
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then my wife came home and said you
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should watch this and I showed it to her
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okay so we are we are about to talk
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about the first episode of the fourth
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so obviously spoilers starts right now
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so you've watched it twice Brady what do
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you think of a half I will say that I
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liked it quite a lot mm-hmm
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there was one gaping problem with it
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which I was willing to suspend and put
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to one side although was in my mind a
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lot I bet I can guess what there was
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okay yeah and there were two things
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I liked a lot about it and one thing
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that I liked about it and one thing I
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didn't like so much about in addition to
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the gaping hole but thumbs up I enjoyed
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watching her it was a good use of my
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time you go what do you think I'm gonna
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have a bit of a backup and like a meta
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commentary here for a moment because I
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get I haven't seen the rest of the
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season so I don't know what that is like
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but having watched this first episode I
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feel like there is one black mirror
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story and I think there's about three
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and then just keep recycling those three
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but there's one main one and the main
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one is the world is not as it seems you
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like you you are in a simulation or
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something along those lines you are in a
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simulation or you are not able to
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perceive the world directly as it is and
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we're getting a bunch of variations on
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that theme and I have to also say I feel
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like I'm okay with that I don't mind
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that but what I found myself thinking a
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lot was I was thinking of the hero's
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journey in movies famously Star Wars
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follows this and many other movies
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follow this same kind of story arc that
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happens over and over again where you
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have like a normal person and they go
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through phases with these romantic names
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it's like you're a normal person just
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living your life then there's an
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inciting incident there's the call to an
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adventure you as the main character
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refuse the adventure and there's all of
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these different steps and there are
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definitely times and I've been watching
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a movie where I realize like oh this is
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the hero's journey I know the beats that
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this story is going to take but if a
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movie does that well it doesn't really
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matter because you know human brains are
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such as they are so that they are
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structured to enjoy certain kinds of
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stories and that's fine it's not like
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everything has to be totally different
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because if you just explode in every
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possible direction that branching tree
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doesn't have interesting stories along
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simple way all right there needs to be
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some kind of conflict some kind of
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resolution if you are writing a good
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story you are reincorporating earlier
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elements there's all of these very many
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things and I feel like maybe it started
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with the matrix as the first mainstream
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version of this but I do think in the
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modern world this story that you are in
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a simulated world is a kind of new
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fundamental story in the modern age and
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I feel like this is a story that you're
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going to see a million variations on in
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lots of different ways and what matters
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is was this variation done well it's not
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like oh here we go it's a simulation
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again you could go oh here we go it's a
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hero's journey again like I've seen this
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a thousand times like oh I bet that
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meant or introducing you to the new
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world is going to die in about the
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middle of act 2 right as like yeah this
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happens all the time because that's how
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these stories work and it's fine yeah so
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that's my medic commentary on it like
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there's one black mirror story but I'm
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okay with that and our black mirror
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episodes enjoyable I'm gonna say they're
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not really enjoyable yeah but it was it
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was a good episode but I feel like this
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one got a little bit shaky
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on the one black mirror story so I liked
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it it was effective in making me feel
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anxiety throughout the duration of
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watching which I feel like is what black
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mirror is going for was it their best
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the world is a simulation story not by a
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lot but I was glad to watch it like I
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felt like it was time well spent but
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there there are a few things that I feel
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like detracted from this episode cool
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okay so could do a brief set up and
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guess what your main problem is so okay
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the setup for this episode of black
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mirror is that it's the near future as
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all of these episodes are and there is a
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game company that's making a new version
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of their fancy multiplayer online
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and at this company the chief technical
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officer a very fat Matt Damon who's