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  looking pretty rough these days it's a

  neck to coat Jesse Plemons in case

  people think it actually isn't so this

  chief tactical officer he's sort of a

  second place invisible guy at the

  company like the actual CEO has taken

  all of the glory and he's just there

  doing all the grunt work to actually

  make the thing work he's like a genius

  loser yeah he's a genius loser excellent

  that's an excellent way to put it yeah

  and what he has done is he has created

  at home a private version of this online

  universe he's turned it into like a Star

  Trek simulator for himself that he can

  play in and what he has done at work is

  people that have slighted him or people

  that he seems interested in in some


  he has a machine where if he has a piece

  of their DNA he can reproduce them in

  the simulation of this Star Trek

  universe that he has at home and he has

  them like trapped inside of this

  simulation and because it's his he's

  powerful in the simulation and he forces

  them to go along with this fantasy

  version of Star Trek where he is the

  captain and he gets to act out on them

  in ways that he couldn't in the real

  world so he's able to like bully the guy

  who bullies him at work and live in this

  fantasy world at home with these

  captured simulations of the people that

  he works with he quite missed rates them

  yes as time goes by we realize he's

  mistreating them and psychologically

  torturing some of them yes so if I had

  to guess Brady I'm gonna guess your your

  main problem with this was my main

  problem is that he has this machine that

  can read the DNA of his coworkers and it

  can recreate them in the simulation

  which I'm totally fine with so far so

  good but somehow they have the memories

  of the people in the office

  right up until the moment he has taken

  their DNA swab which I feel like is a

  major problem in the structure of the

  story it is very hard to get around how

  do these people recreate it from their

  DNA remember what their life was like it

  is a big thing to put to one side

  intellectually yeah but I was able to do

  it I just sort of just that it was in my

  head a lot it was bothering me because I

  felt like it was structurally solvable

  pretty well yeah in the episode it's

  like look just have a machine at the

  office where you're scanning people to

  make models for your game and he's

  secretly installed a brain scanner as

  well and nobody knows right like just

  yeah you can just add one more magic

  piece of technology and it's fine then I

  can get past it but obviously with all

  these things you have to have some kind

  of suspension of disbelief and it's

  always that delicate balance but I did

  feel like ooh God the initial scene when

  our our main protagonist is waking up in

  the Star Trek simulation and she doesn't

  speak for a while and she's wandering

  around the ship I was I was literally in

  my head I was saying to myself please

  don't let her have the memories of the

  person who just got scared like please

  don't let her have the memories it'll be

  a much better episode if she doesn't

  have like ah she has the memories that's

  not how it works

  but yeah so yeah I was able to get past

  it but I felt like that was yeah that

  was no good and really I'm solvable it

  was the big problem other things I

  didn't like about it I'll just quickly

  get out of the way mm-hmm humor mostly

  worked but there are a few times when it

  tried to be really confronting with like

  you know a bit of vulgar language you'll

  have a big moment where it was like wow

  wow that was awesome mm-hm and that

  sometimes felt a bit forced like another

  thing I guess I didn't totally like was

  some of the resolution was dealt with in

  bit of an action film II type way

  breaking into a house or doing something

  or flying a ship in some action II way I

  just felt like it was a bit beneath - oh

  that was so clever and intellectual for

  it to have a few action muscular moments

  that saved the day but it didn't really

  bother me yeah the the beneath it

  comment there I think is is on point

  because not to bring it up but there


  a few moments that reminded me of Star

  Wars in that they're doing humor but

  they're doing like a genre joke like

  when I watch these episodes this meta

  story about being in the matrix in some

  way I find very stressful to watch if

  it's even done with a little bit of

  competence right and and black mirror

  has a lot of competence and so the very

  proposition that these characters can be

  here for ungodly amounts of time or they

  can suffer in indescribable ways like I

  find that just very anxiety inducing

  because I feel like there's something

  that is like a real problem here that we

  may have to face at some point in the

  future in the way that other works of

  fiction don't get me in the same way

  like black mirror really amps up my

  anxiety very high you're really worried

  about the welfare of your iPad aren't

  you it's not a joke but I really am I

  made that all kind of comment many

  episodes ago but I really do think that

  there is a way that all of our computers

  could be silently screaming and we're

  just unable to perceive it so I really

  think there is a genuine problem here

  that a lot of these stories are trying

  to express but this was the first black

  mirror episode that there were a number

  of points where it was doing something

  serious and then it undercuts with a

  joke in the same way and I thought like

  oh god please please don't let this kind

  of humor infect everything and I'm

  afraid that this sort of humor is

  popular with audiences and I just can't

  stand it when it's a little bit too

  Winky at the camera and for me this

  episode that the pinnacle moment of that

  is in the final culmination when they're

  there in their spaceship and they're

  trying to escape

  and she's like okay we we can go and

  that the guy who's gonna drive the

  spaceship doesn't do anything and he

  says oh you're supposed to say engage

  right or make it so or something like

  that and she says she's just can go

  right like but it's played as a joke and

  it's like nobody would do that under the

  circumstance like they're all trying to

  escape the guy who's driving the ship

  would not make like a genre joke at this

  moment it was very strange

  it's very strange I'll say the two

  things I liked most about it okay one

  was I loved what they did with the look

  of it how at the start it was like four

  by three aspect ratio and really crummy

  effects like the early days of Star Trek

  because this guy the main character he

  loves this show called space fleet which

  is essentially Star Trek and I loved how

  it evolved through the show without you

  kind of realizing until the final couple

  of scenes when they're like all

  futuristic in their uniforms have become

  all modern Star Trek even has like all

  the JJ Abrams lens flare all over the

  place it was really clever the way they

  evolved through the show the way Star

  Trek has evolved over the years I

  thought that was really nice I noticed

  it more the second time you know it was

  so gradual and subtle that I thought

  that was really like that and the other

  thing I thought was really excellent was

  all the performances were good but

  especially the performance of fat Matt

  Damon Jesse Plemons who he played a

  great game as an actor I I loved the

  contrast between what he was like as

  nerdy guy in the office and then I loved

  the way he played the captain the way he

  affected his voice and hid the swagger

  he had in the look like I feel like he

  was having so much fun playing at going

  between those two characters I've seen

  him act in other things before and just

  thought I he's okay but I thought he he

  had a real stonker in this episode and I

  tip my hat to him it was a really really

  fun good performance in lots of ways

  yeah it was interested they did a great

  job with the fake Star Trek I kept

  thinking like oh um it looks like they

  spent a lot of money on these sets and

  the costumes and everything and I kept

  kind of thinking back to that episode I

  think it was last season where they had

  the bees like the bees are attacking

  people and they had the worst cheapest

  looking CGI bees and it was like they

  had run out of money at the end of the

  season to do the effects on that show

  and I was like oh great like someone

  decided hey give the black mirror people

  a bunch of budget and they made a really

  great fake sixties esque looking ship it

  was like a real set and the costumes

  they did a fantastic job I think they

  got some people who really liked Star

  Trek in to capture a lot of the look of


  without having it be Star Trek but

  everything looks so Star Trek II they

  must have gotten the Galaxy Quest team

  on this one where it's like Galaxy Quest

  did the same thing it's like an amazing

  job Galaxy Quest perhaps the best Star

  Trek movie ever made so yeah all of that

  was that was done really well and now

  that you say it I feel like I didn't

  really notice the evolution over time

  from the older to the more modern but

  now that you mention it I can see it's

  much more obvious the last couple of

  scenes have got that really really oh

  yeah lens flare like almost like

  offensive over-the-top we're like you

  know how like JJ Abrams just went crazy

  with it for a while there it was really

  like that that's when it became really

  obvious oh I see what you've done there

  for the record I love the JJ Abrams Star

  Trek lens flare I actually and I'm a big

  fan of that I like to thumbs-up on that

  one because there was there was one

  point where they're in this Star Trek

  universe and there's a monster that

  appears that's a CGI monster and my note

  was actually that I thought it should

  still look like the 60s monster because

  I thought the CGI seemed a little bit

  out of place where there's like people

  in bad costumes and then this very

  good-looking CGI monster appears but now

  it makes more sense in retrospect that's

  like know now that they were cranking up

  the look of the show and I was still

  thinking of it like that that opening

  scene shot in 4:3 that had really

  terrible in terms of the

  thought-provoking side of it because

  that's you know even when there's a few

  plot holes in black mirror and there

  often is because they're just putting it

  so far out there but they always get you

  thinking don't they and in terms of the

  thing that I was thinking about was not

  as much the the torture of computers

  although that obviously was a big part

  of the thing you know what's it like to

  live in this in a simulation is a

  inhumane the thing that I was thinking

  about was the interestingness of whether

  or not the villain of the piece you know

  our captain was actually doing anything

  wrong because like in real life he was

  polite and decent and other than the

  fact he stole a bit of saliva off a can

  of drink which is a bit creepy he was

  like a normal nice guy albeit a bit shy

  and stuff and as far as he was concerned

  in like computer

  and all he was like being cruel to were

  virtual things he was just like you know

  virtually acting out his fantasy of

  being a domineering captain and a


  you know on the deck treating women a

  bit disrespectfully but it was like it

  was his fantasy that he would never do

  in real life so he was doing all these

  things like in his head and in a game

  and yet as the show went along it was

  like he was being portrayed as a bad

  human so I think one of the questions

  that show raises is are we a bad person

  if we do bad things in our fantasies

  yeah what did he know how cruel it was

  did he know those people in the game had

  feelings and were like I don't know did

  he know that what did and did they were

  they real yeah I mean there's many

  things him I read on the episode is that

  he knows yeah that's my take on it is he

  knows that they're real with real

  experiences and he knows that he's

  torturing them in this simulation so he

  deserves he's come up in this yeah I

  think he does deserve his comeuppance

  that question is the same question that

  I feel like Westworld got at really

  deeply as well is if we presume that

  there is a way to know that the

  simulations or the robots are not

  conscious and they have no experiences

  is a person a bad person for in quotes

  torturing them in ways that we would

  recognize as torture to a real conscious

  person and I think my take on this is

  strictly morally speaking no nothing

  wrong is is happening here and if a

  person who tortures conscious less

  Nostromo --tz--

  in real life is a polite person who

  never harms anybody and it's just like a

  regular member of society they don't

  think that they're doing anything

  morally wrong

  but there is a little asterisk here

  which is like even if they're only ever

  acting out fantasies in a virtual world

  the intensity or duration of time that

  they spend in that virtual world like

  tells you something about that person in

  the same way that's like there is nobody

  on the face of the earth who hasn't at

  some point had some dark fantasies about

  revenge against their jerk boss right

  everybody has done that it's like a

  reflexive human thought but you would

  feel differently if you knew that

  someone was constantly thinking about

  revenge against their boss even wrote a

  book about it yeah like even if you knew

  they had no intentions to do it in the

  real world but you also knew that they

  just constantly thought about torturing

  their boss to death I feel like it would

  tell you something about that person

  even if they never act out on that yeah

  I feel like this is the conclusion I've

  had to come to thinking about all of

  these like simulation stories nothing

  wrong is happening assuming that there

  is no conscious suffering but it's not

  like a great indicator if somebody

  spends all of their free time in a Star

  Trek simulation torturing a virtual

  version of their boss even if that

  virtual boss does not suffer yeah I

  guess the fact that as the show develops

  and they try to escape and then he

  realizes they're trying to escape and

  sort of tries to put the cork in the

  bottle shows that maybe he does realize

  there's some kind of consciousness or

  going on but yeah I think there's a lot

  to indicate that he knows that they are

  conscious that he is aware of this and

  at the end when he's trying to prevent

  them to escape yes without a doubt he

  knows that they are conscious because

  otherwise it doesn't make any sense that

  is also like the very end of the episode

  is where it there is a little bit more

  that starts falling apart for me because

  it's like oh they're trying to escape

  from him but he's like the administrator

  of the computer that they're on he

  doesn't have to chase them in a

  virtual spaceship like he can just pause

  the game and shut down the computer at

  any point he want like they engage in

  this weird chase scene that feels

  totally bizarre and forced to have a

  moment of action like you're saying it's

  like they want some kind of dramatic

  action he ending to the movie and

  they're going to make it happen whether

  or not it makes sense in the rules of

  this universe or not they somehow took

  away some of his powers didn't they when

  they took his controller and stuff I got

  a bit convoluted but and yeah he could

  have woken up I guess and pulled the

  power plug out but maybe he didn't want

  to lose this world he'd crafted over so

  long but but he was still it's like I've

  run programs on my computer there's ways

  to just pause them pressure and change

  what the variables are he had his

  all-powerful controller back anyway

  there's some things that just don't make

  sense it's like oh he can torture them

  with his mind at any point that he wants

  but not remotely it doesn't make any

  sense there it's like it did feel a bit

  like black mirror was going in the big

  dumb action movie route yeah and also

  having a subplot where someone breaks

  into his apartments to steal the DNA and

  I was like how did she this random

  intern at a company become like a like a

  great cat burglar or like how did she

  get up this building it doesn't make any

  sense as dumb this was my problem with

  it as well hey when I say it went

  beneath it's safe it was a bit it gotta

  be done at the end but I also thought

  the end maybe was a bit the last few

  seconds was maybe a bit crackers okay so

  in the ending the the characters escape

  his main computer and they get out into

  the actual online version of the game

  into the cloud they escaped into the

  cloud yeah there's a dumb part in this

  ending because these are conscious

  people the main character from her

  perspective two days ago was a human

  living in the world and is now trapped

  in a video game simulation for eternity

  and they do have the ending be like a

  weird well we now have this universe to

  explore like let's go fly around in our

  spaceship which is a totally bizarre

  ending well I don't know how else they

  could end it because she can't get out

  she can't go and have like a body and

  live in the world

  he still exists in the world the real

  her sons she has no option really I mean

  what they wanted to do and what they

  were trying to do of course was commit

  suicide they all thought they were going

  to die which is what they wanted the

  fact they ended up getting to live and

  have free will and an adventure and not

  be dominated was kind of like a surprise

  bonus mm-hmm so if there's one thing

  black mayor has taught us is that if you

  are a computer simulation you will long

  for oblivion like nothing else that is

  the only thing that you want is to

  simply not exist and that was their goal

  in in this show yeah but the ending felt

  strange to me and it did feel like a big

  dumb actually movie because it was like

  they wanted a positive upbeat ending I

  think maybe that's gonna be a trend in

  this series oh my god I really hope not

  the one thing I like about Black Mirror

  is I feel like that they're not afraid

  to follow the conclusion to its end yeah

  and I kind of thought that I was that

  the the ending of this episode would

  redeem itself because the natural

  conclusion is actually it leans right

  into a typical black mirror horrifying

  ending which is no you don't get to die

  now you're in the game universe and

  guess what there's just players here who

  are real people who you can be tormented

  by or you have to run away from or fight

  and it will never end you're just stuck

  here there is no world for you

  that's left over like that that feels

  like a really horrifying ending and it

  was it was weird to be like Oh second

  star to the right and straight on until

  morning like let's go it was a strange

  ending to me and it felt like they

  diverted from the natural conclusion

  that that should be drawn from

  everything that has happened in the

  episode yeah I will say when you talk

  about things that to think about though

  I feel like the episode also missed out

  on what is the far more interesting

  question and is also why like I get

  these anxiety attacks from Black Mirror

  which is okay take the whole episode as

  red people are cloned inside a computer

  and they escape into the cloud version

  of the video game

  how would they ever be able to convince

  people on the outside that they're real

  conscious creatures and I feel like that

  is really a thing that we're going to

  come up against at some point that some

  piece of software is going to play the

  but no really I'm conscious and I'm

  having experiences please let me go and

  like this episode brushes up against

  that idea at the end which is like how

  would they convince people in the

  outside world that they are real and

  because of the my thoughts on

  consciousness which we talked about many

  times like I'm not convinced there ever

  will be a way to know for sure and then

  it just comes down to like a weird

  arbitrary how easily can a piece of

  software convince a human test that is

  arbitrary and and meaningless and it's

  unsettling to think that we might not be

  able to know wow this is a theme of lots

  of families we've reviewed isn't it ex

  machina and hair and things like that

  yeah it's all these things I will say

  there was there's one little detail that

  I did quite like in the episode which I

  felt like filled out a bit of the black

  mirror universe which is when they do

  try to reach out and tell people that

  they're in the computer in her text

  message it says call the cyber police

  and I like that it's just a little

  reference to maybe in this this near

  future black mirror universe this

  concept of conscious creatures being

  trapped in simulations like this is a

  thing that the cyber police have to deal

  with that they sometimes have to like

  break into somebody's house because

  they're holding simulations captive in

  their basement I kind of like that this

  was just referenced and not explained in

  any way and I just like in my own head I

  can imagine what the cyber police are

  and it's like oh yeah they're the police

  that go around trying to rescue

  simulations that are trapped by


  in their own private worlds alright very


  are you gonna watch the rest of the

  series Brady I've already watched two

  other episodes yeah well don't tell me

  what you think about them now because

  that will be spoilers you know I

  wouldn't do that

  wouldn't do that

  you know how I think it was for my

  birthday back in June I got given the

  Lego Saturn rocket with like a nearly

  2,000 pieces of course and the big joke

  was you know I wouldn't get around to

  making it and all this other stuff so I

  still haven't made it okay it's still

  sitting in a box in my spare room but

  after much stalking and attempt to buy

  something that was unobtainable I have

  now bought something that I wanted to

  show you okay hang on no there goes

  Brady Brady is holding up a gigantic box

  that is a Star Wars Millennium Falcon

  that's amazing

  it's the ultimate collector series

  Millennium Falcon I think it's the

  biggest Lego set they've ever made it

  has like over 5,000 pieces or something

  like that I know someone who made it and

  it took them two weeks I mean that is

  for sure the biggest Lego box I've ever

  seen that's quick that box is the size

  of your whole torso that thing's crazy

  yeah it's artsites about the size of two

  microwave ovens and heavier than that it

  looked pretty heavy to pick up that was

  not an easy lift holy cow is this a new

  thing that looks really awesome it came

  out like last year and only special Lego

  VIPs could buy it and then a few of them

  started dribbling it onto the Lego black

  market but with huge markups in price

  it's quite expensive as it is

  I was just stalking the lego website

  they kept saying coming soon coming soon

  and then the other day I went on there

  and you could buy one so I bought one

  you could only buy one you're not

  allowed to buy multiple boxes so I

  bought my one and it said it would come

  sometime in February or something but

  then it came really quickly and it's a

  magnificent box it is a magnificent box

  but Brady you know I have to ask yeah

  are you going to assemble it well I do

  wonder if it's beyond my skill set

  apparently it's like it's advanced like

  there are different levels of Lego

  making when you buy things they say this

  is for beginners this is intermediate

  right this is like advanced Lego making

  right I guess what I'm wondering is on

  the bar

  is it like for Brady's and above or for

  above Brady's like is that the skill

  level that's on the side there it seems

  to say 16 plus I think I feel like

  you've got that covered then if it's 16

  plus you should be able to handle that

  right I think I need to make the rocket

  to like get my skills up oh okay as a

  practice project before I move on to

  this apparent I haven't opened the box

  yet cuz it's like still very very sacred

  object to me but apparently the

  instructions that come with it it's like

  the Bible it's like a book that comes

  with it to tell you how to make it it's

  not like a leaflet it's like a hatch at

  home I wonder if they're if they have to

  resort to words in their manual or if

  they can do it entirely with the Lego

  pictures oh I don't know yet it's a good

  question I mean that looks like that

  might require some words about how to do

  things but I do love the pictures only

  Lego manuals yeah I mean you having

  shown me this thing I feel like Brady


  the Saturn rocket Lego box I can see why

  you might not want to assemble it

  because at least that box is long and

  tall it is conceivable that there would

  be a universe where you could mount that

  box on a wall it might be a little

  awkward but you could do it but the

  thing that you picked up and showed me

  is just a gigantic q yeah storage

  nightmare although it is a beautiful box

  like that the artwork on it they've gone

  simple and classic they haven't put too

  much childishness on it they've made a

  beautiful box mm-hmm but indeed it is

  very awkwardly shaped the only way they

  could make it actually no I'm just gonna

  say the only way they could make it more

  difficult as if they made it a sphere

  but then if it was a sphere you could

  put it in one of those beautiful

  old-fashioned globe holders right you

  like they see in in a movie in the 1800s

  there's whatever the heck it's called a

  little stand for someone's outdated

  globe of the world you could then drop a

  Lego box in there so actually making it

  a sphere would be better but that cube

  is impossible to manage on every level

  it's big there's no shelf you can put it

  on there's no corner in the room where

  it won't dominate the whole corner so I

  feel like you have to assemble that

  Brady I've just sent you the obligatory

  Audrey on the box for Skye Oh picture oh

  wow now that I have a chance to actually

  look at the art

  work on the box in detail that looks

  like a very complicated Lego structure

  lots of custom pieces on that one that's

  for sure you have no idea we've got the

  circular satellite dish on that one nice

  touch I like that

  yeah or you can put a rectangular one on

  there too they give you multiple options

  and you've got optional characters too

  you can have like the Han Solo Chewbacca

  configuration or the more modern films

  I've got everything covered I posted a

  picture on my personal Facebook and it

  got a real response from all my friends

  around the world and like a legitimate

  number of them want to come and build it

  with me or have offered and build it for

  me when I said I don't know if I could

  deal with it you can't have someone else

  build it for you know that that's no

  good it's got seven and a half thousand


  holy moly I mean it's a thing of beauty

  it's like Lego has reached like you know

  peak Lego it's like this is what Lego it

  was born to do to make a Millennium

  Falcon this big I'm looking at I'm

  looking at all the zoomed in stuff Wow

  Brady okay I mean the more I'm looking

  at this you have to assemble this more

  than that I feel like I want this to be

  like a real project I feel like you need

  to film yourself assembling this like I

  want a time lapse film of Brady

  assembling this we should blog go away

  for a weekend great Buddha and record 19

  episodes of father welcome to episode 9

  of Brady and great build the Millennium


  we should probably title it Brady and

  great attempts to build them letting

  Falcon because because as soon as I feel

  like you're dragging me into this

  suddenly it looks way more complicated

  like that's 16 plus is really

  underestimate I've seen videos and

  pictures of people who've done it it's

  more complicated than the actual

  Millennium Falcon yeah you know what

  that is an excellent question

  how many pieces did the original model

  of the Millennium Falcon have I'm gonna

  bet it was not seven-and-a-half thousand


  they did bring out like a deluxe

  Millennium Falcon a few years ago that

  was quite big not as big as this and

  that became a real collector's item and

  if you've got one of them like still in

  the box it became really really

  expensive so some of my friends have

  said to me oh you should keep that in

  the box because it'll be worth a mint in

  about two years


  I'm not gonna store a big box of Lego in

  my house like as an investment you're

  not gonna do that you're not gonna make

  a Star Wars investment it's like my

  equivalent of Bitcoin

  I'm just mining Star Wars Lego I mean

  I'm laughing at this but I will never

  forget that when I was a kid

  hallmark was doing these special edition

  Star Wars Christmas ornaments every year

  like they'd come out with one or another

  and one year they came out with the Yoda

  ornament and my dad was like investing

  in Bitcoin with those Yoda ornaments

  like he went all out right like bought

  all the ornaments right and for years

  and years

  my mother and I mercilessly teased him

  about like this box full of Yoda

  ornaments in the basement but he did get

  the last laugh because when I went off

  to college like and we were clearing out

  the house and he sold all those things

  like he made quite a profit on those

  ornaments like he was not wrong it

  definitely turned into a thing that was

  worth some actual money later on

  I mean I've not made Lego for a long

  time and I've got this rocket and I

  haven't made that so I don't know

  whether or not I am gonna have the love

  for making it but mm-hmm

  I think I'm just running purely on two

  levels of nostalgia here Star Wars

  nostalgia and they go nostalgia mm-hmm

  just thinking that's gonna get me

  through but just some part of you not

  look at that and think actually that

  would be quite nice for a few days just

  to sit down and assemble it's like


  wouldn't that be at the pleasure of it

  is you just sort of putting a thing

  together although I guess the pleasure

  of knitting comes from the mindlessness

  of it whereas this looks like actually

  it has quite a lot of mindful potential

  tedium in the process of snapping

  together so a lot of angry IKEA moments

  where you angrily throw something

  against the wall because you put it

  together wrong well Brady you have to

  assemble it and I wish you the best of

  luck I'll keep you up today I've got to

  try the rock affair I just don't have

  time if I have a spare day I think I

  better work then but maybe I need to

  just say all right I'm gonna just do it

  I'm gonna do it take a day off Brady

  your channels they can manage for one

  day without you although this looks like

  a multi-day project are the Millennium

  Falcon yes in a tailor to take me

  forever then I don't know where I would

  do it in the house that won't cause

  domestic disharmony the table where we

  counted all the votes that very central

  table in your house

  that could be converted into the

  Millennium Falcon station for oh I don't

  see how that could possibly cause any

  problems yeah I feel like one of the

  main motivating factors to get it for us

  to finish that vote count quickly it was

  like oh god we gotta get this done today

  can't stay here and I when we were

  counting those votes and my wife came

  out we were like two naughty boys

  recording a podcast of counting votes in

  the kitchen table I'm so sorry I thought

  this would be done hours ago we

  dramatically underestimated a bigger job

  this is good times good times Brady

  so anyway speaking of Star Wars there's

  been enough breathing time now since the

  last Jedi yeah Christmas review podcast

  stealer you have gone insane again or

  changed any of your thoughts or anything

  I haven't felt the need to go see the

  movie again that has not happened have

  you gone out to see the movie a second

  time not because the first time that you

  saw it right I've only seen it once I

  actually do want to watch it with my

  wife because I think that would be like

  a good sanity check for me because I'm

  so confused by the polar opposite

  opinions people have of the film

  I feel annealing my wife to watch it

  might do me some good like if she

  watches it and says oh yeah that was a

  right rollicking ride you know I don't

  care that much about Star Wars but that

  was just a good fun like things might

  fall into place for me but that hasn't

  happened yet but a few people have seen

  it since we last spoke whose opinions

  are important to me mm-hmm and

  thankfully those handful of people have

  all felt the same as me and thought nah

  nah didn't like thank goodness like my

  brother-in-law didn't like her and make

  Tim who I do the other podcast with like

  you know we're big Star Wars fans

  together he didn't like those I was like

  thank goodness because if one of them

  really liked I'd be like especially Tim

  that was an interesting one because he

  has right you know young kids and I

  thought maybe having kids makes you

  watch it through a different prism but

  no he didn't like it no it is a funny

  thing you say they're like you feel this

  this feeling of

  relief there is something that I think

  is in all of us that we can get really

  judgmental about other people's media

  preferences and try I had the same

  experience where for me by far the best

  part of watching Star Wars was as soon

  as we emerged from the hermetically

  sealed bubble of our recording was I

  went out and consumed all of the media

  in the world right where everybody was

  talking about the movie and as I

  listened to and watched far more hours

  of podcasts and videos talking about the

  movie than the length of the movie I

  mean easily easily by a multiple of ten

  I haven't listened to a single other

  podcast about it

  it's not interesting there is this very

  human thing which I think like people do

  get so riled about movies is like you

  want other people to agree with you like

  it's obviously such a subjective medium

  everybody thinks they have an idea about

  like what a good movie is and then

  everybody has their list of exceptions

  of movies that they know aren't actually

  good with that they love as I it's so

  subjective but I had that same feeling

  of relief when people I knew watched the

  movie and then agreed with me and then a

  feeling of confusion when someone didn't

  agree with me like how can you possibly

  disagree with me and it's especially the

  case because I would say my general

  impression was reviews on YouTube were

  way more harsh than our review of the

  show was like at least from from my

  sampling of it it seemed like YouTube

  liked the movie a lot less and some

  reviews made ours seem like a glowing

  endorsement and then I'm aware of like

  Oh some of the podcast selection that I

  had was generally much more positive

  like people really liking and enjoying

  the movie and I kept thinking like I'm

  on both sides that when people dislike

  it more I'm like oh come on like that's

  crazy you're being too harsh about this

  and then when people like it more like

  oh come on it's not that good like you

  got to be good and I'm thinking of like

  the old George Carlin joke that when

  you're driving on the highway it's like

  anybody who's driving slower than you is

  like oh come on grandma get off the road

  right and anybody who's driving faster

  than he was a total maniac right we're

  like yours feet is the only absolute

  correct speed I totally had that same

  feeling listening to everybody else's

  review is like my dislike of the Star

  Wars movie is perfectly calibrated you

  can just like it more you're crazy

  right and if you liked it more I also

  don't understand it all where you're

  coming from so yeah it is a very

  interesting experience and it really has

  been shocking to see how divisive the

  movie was like I would not have guessed

  that I mean I'm a lot more cute about

  people liking and not liking it like I'm

  whatever but there are like four or five

  people who like if they felt very

  differently to me mm-hmm like I'd be

  concerned or I'd start to question

  myself but those people all sort of were

  where I expected them to be I've

  actually got one friend who I think has

  like the worst taste in the world in all

  movies and television and if she likes

  something that's like a guarantee that I

  won't but if she doesn't like something

  that's like a glowing endorsement to me

  and like if I see her on Facebook saying

  I just saw this thing and it was

  terrible to me that's like that sets off

  an alarm bell saying I need to watch

  that it's probably really good it's bit

  of a running joke between us but it's

  become so strong that actually is a

  really really good indicator as to

  whether I like or not like something

  just look at what she likes and going

  the exact opposite yeah that's right so

  someone who is always wrong is actually

  always right as well that's how that


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  show I have a little bit of follow-up

  Brady some travel follow-up I happened

  to have been on a lot of flights in the

  past three months or so way more than

  normal and my carrier is British Airways

  commiserations I'm not a fan of them at

  the moment so why are you not a fan of

  them breeding I think they're getting a

  bit tired I don't think they're as

  prestigious as they used to be I think

  that they've actually been having a lot

  of problems with people complaining

  about how dirty their planes are - but

  apparently I don't I didn't realize they

  were a prestigious brand they're just I

  select Airlines based on where they go

  and ba is the one that goes where I

  needed to go okay like we all pretend

  like there's some kind of crazy

  competition but there really is it like

  as soon as you have more than one or two

  cities that you need to go to it's like

  well you're really going to be down to a

  single airline it's gonna do most of

  those flights yeah that's true for some

  place I've got to fly really long float

  be a next month because they're the only

  people going we're only to go so yeah

  it's like railway competition

  in the UK we're like we have all these

  private companies competing with each

  other to manage the railroads it's like

  yeah but there's only one railroad going

  to this like there's no competition

  there that doesn't work at all yeah

  anyway the airlines are the same way but

  I feel like I have been victimized by

  the safety video that I have had to

  watch so many times over the past

  several months which is British Airways

  not just doing a safety video but doing

  a comedy safety video that is also for

  charity yeah and I feel like I've seen

  this thing so many times I have heard

  flight attendants complain about it

  while it is on to other passengers these

  videos they're always really terrible

  but there is there is something about a

  thing that is now two things at once

  it's not just a bad safety video that's

  trying to make you laugh but it's also a

  thing that's asking for your money and I

  feel like I cannot psychologically deal

  with it and I sent you the link and it

  is the longest slowest safety video ever

  because they have all of this extra time

  for jokes and then also asking for your

  money and I feel like I am gonna I'm

  gonna lose my mind please Airlines

  please don't make your safety videos

  comedies that are also simultaneously

  asking for charitable donations please

  don't do this it's terrible I resent

  being held hostage to this so many times

  I watched her you sent me a link to a

  course on YouTube and I watched riot so

  a bit of context for people that's been

  made for the BBC's comic relief campaign

  that they run all the time so anything

  that has the banner of comic relief and

  this this fundraising charity thing they

  do gives them the ability to pull in all

  these big stars because stars love doing

  things for comic relief I'm also not

  entirely familiar with what comic relief

  is yeah either but it did look like some

  kind of a celebrity Club as far as I can

  tell yes every second year the BBC for

  about a month or so has this big comic

  relief fundraising campaign which

  culminates with a big TV show with lots

  of comedians and stars doing funny skits

  and things to raise all this money for

  and then in the alternate years they

  have Sport Relief where sports stars do

  things for charity and raise money so

  anyway this has been done under the

  auspices of comic relief in cooperation

  with VA so they've done the safety video

  all these big stars have been in it and

  agreed to do it and are trying to be

  funny and you send it to me hmm

  and I mean it's not new to make safety

  videos try to be funny this has been

  going on for a few years now yeah and

  the first minute or two I found really

  funny the first minute and a half to two

  minutes I thought oh no this is actually

  quite funny grey and I gonna have it

  because I cuz I was actually in

  chuckling at the first couple of things

  I thought the guy who was playing the

  director at first was quite funny and

  the way he was reacting all these stars

  are auditioning to be in the safety

  video and this is sort of funny director

  who's like telling them what to do and

  funny in a thousand air quotes funny yes

  well effort at first he was funny the

  first couple were quite good I liked it

  mhm and then I thought ah no groan are

  gonna have a big fight because obviously

  grey is not gonna like this but the

  problem with it was after that initial

  hmm that's quite funny they just float

  the dead horse of the joke they got the

  pacing all wrong mm-hmm it was too slow

  it's way way too long and you begin

  losing the will to live it loses

  funniness too they start wheeling out

  less and less funny people which

  culminates at the very end with Rowan

  Atkinson doing mr. bean which he must he

  must stop doing that mr. bean was so

  funny back in the day but not only is

  the comedy of mr. bean not funny anymore

  but watching him do it when you so much

  older it's a bit like there's something

  a bit sad about watching him do mr. bean

  now but it's like oh man you still

  having to do that it's yeah it's

  especially weird from my perspective

  because I've never seen the original mr.

  bean I've only ever seen him do this

  thing referencing this show yeah

  it becomes very strangely meta it's like

  is that just what Rowan Atkinson is like

  is that what he just does is this him

  the best FlightSafety video in the world

  would start getting boring and tedious

  after four or five flights close to each

  other which is what happens you know

  when you start having to travel a lot

  and koechlin's planes

  but this one did have the unusual

  distinction of becoming tedious within

  the first viewing of it which is quite

  an accomplishment

  it is almost impressive if we're gonna

  do critiques of airline safety videos

  here I feel like I wish poison spoilers

  do we even to say score okay no that's

  not how that works just a thing in the

  world there's not spoilers for a thing

  if it exists in the world okay because I

  just ruined the mr. Bane ending because

  his appearance at the end I think is

  supposed to be like a surprise finale

  yeah and what it is to me it's the final

  bullet in the horse on the ground it's

  like okay yeah this one can't be saved

  yeah we're at mr. babe but like having

  watched this thing so many times and

  needing to critique it I feel like okay

  many of these airline safety videos they

  have the problem of they're trying to do

  so much to dazzle you to keep you

  entertained like people have sent like

  these crazy music video safety videos

  where there's just like all of these

  dancers and things are moving around and

  there's flashing lights and dead to

  death and it's like okay it's too much

  remember this is a plane right that

  we're on we're supposed to be learning

  about how to save our lives right not

  like watching like an ensemble cast

  dancing extravaganza but with this

  safety video

  it's like someone said okay let's take

  it down let's take it down strip it back

  we're gonna strip it back yeah and what

  we're gonna do is we're just going to

  have actors in a like a black mirror

  infinite white void of nothingness

  talking to you just a comedy do it oh

  let the actors just exactly like just

  let the comedy stand for itself at best

  it will give you a mild chuckle a couple

  of times yeah but it's they scale it

  back and it's so right it's so

  incredibly slow it was also like I think

  they thought maybe the star power would

  overwhelm us but like the star power is

  not quite starry enough it's like a

  minus 2b plus to us it's not a plus does

  it's not even like oh my god I can't

  believe they got Brad Pitt to do it it's

  like oh they got that guy that's in that

  comedy show that I saw

  that time what's-his-name Oh can't

  memories nine but you know that guy yeah

  let me go through it okay so like I

  don't know if the director is supposed

  to be someone that I would know but I

  have no idea who that person is I'm

  going to assume he's a nobody sorry

  director actor guy I have no idea who

  you are he was the best guy in it by

  then okay so it's like next up we have

  guy from Love Actually whose name I

  can't remember then next up we have the

  chef who's yelling Gordon Ramsay write

  that and Ramsay then we have like woman

  I've never seen before in my entire life

  I have no idea who she is

  next up we have Gandalf and the guy who

  played wicket it's like okay great got

  it we're gonna move on Davis yeah Davis

  like I couldn't remember his name next

  up we have some British guy I have no

  idea who he is

  I don't think I've ever seen him before

  in my life right next up we have an old

  guy who looks like a character after who

  I feel like I probably seen your face in

  movies before but I couldn't possibly

  think yeah James is dead I can't believe

  I couldn't place him it literally saw

  Bridget Jones's baby like a week ago and

  Bridget Jones baby can't really

  recommend that movie okay next going up

  okay so now we come up to who for me is

  the most recognizable person we've got

  Gillian Anderson and it's like okay but

  I am aware that they have the director

  like make reference to you're not

  auditioning for the x-files like try

  like nudge the audience but who this

  person is in case they can't place it

  so that's everybody and then like you

  said it's mr. bean at the end doing his

  mr. bean thing I agree with you like it

  is not star powering dazzling Ness it's

  like Gandalf and Gillian Anderson those

  are the two most recognizable to me

  anyway it's just not very funny it's

  funny at the start and I don't think

  it's cuz the joke wore off I just think

  it's just it's just funnier at the start

  yeah but also as it got into its sixth

  minute I was starting to think like are

  all safety videos this long there's this

  much information they have or have they

  somehow really stretched it out because

  they seem to be doing all the same

  things a safety video does and safety

  videos are never fast spoken so like

  they're not speaking much slower are

  they is there that much filler it

  how long is a normal safety video I

  don't know Wow okay so I was gonna say I

  feel like this is about the same as all

  the rest of them but the original one

  that started are complaining about this

  which is the United Airlines safety is

  global one which I feel like is filled

  with so much ridiculousness of like

  setting up establishing shots of where

  they are and all sorts of dumbness that

  is yes that's about three and a half yes

  it's it's four and a half minutes long

  so I was thinking like oh surely it must

  be the same but that one is now like

  like a zippy adventure all over the

  world compared to this one from British

  Airways I'm guessing that this is just

  way slower than most of them are going

  to be but why are these things so awful

  and I know it's for charity but there is

  something about like you've made me

  watch this terrible thing and you're

  asking me for something at the end and

  I'm like I'm sure it's feeding children

  across the world or whatever but it's

  like you've made me sit through this

  awful thing and now you're asking me for

  money it's like I just hate like it's it

  got me on these two levels Brady is

  awful it's absolutely awful like you're

  gonna ask me for money

  make me laugh right put me in a happy

  mood like don't infuriate me with his

  unfunny nonsense and like I said I was

  amazed to hear actual flight attendants

  complaining to passengers about this

  more than once and then I was watching

  them as this thing was playing it's like

  and they all had that dead thousand-yard

  stare in their eyes as this thing was

  going over the PA like to all the flight

  attendants working on British Airways I

  am so sorry for you during this season

  I don't know when comic relief season

  ends but I hope it's soon for everyone's

  sake the problem is you with you doing a

  safety video as well it has to be like

  safe old person humor because you can't

  make edgy jokes about aircraft safety

  because people have like anxiety attacks

  like for example when the dude was doing

  the bit about the life jacket and the

  whistle but he's quite a funny guy and

  that could have been funny but he just

  made some joke you can blow this to get

  attention you know if you like getting

  attention why haha that's the moment

  where you could have been funny like you

  know you could blow this to get

  attention the attention of people who

  didn't see the seven four seven that

  just crashed right next to them or

  something like that you know you could

  have made some jokes about the ordeal of

  a plane crash but

  you know I guess you can't really do

  that because everyone Alaskan off the

  plane but you might want that in your

  airline safety videos but I don't like

  this comic relief video but I'm telling

  you right now I wouldn't appreciate a

  video that was filled with nothing but

  death and destruction as the airline

  safety video no matter how genuinely

  effective it might be if the plane flips

  in the ocean like this footage here of

  Ethiopia lies in I just have the pilot

  come on I like dead serious system you

  like you need to pay attention because

  if you don't this is what happens and

  then like 30 seconds of the most

  horrific footage you can imagine like

  take off your goddamn headphones and

  listen I see this picture of this person

  here they didn't wear a seatbelt yeah

  don't don't actually do that air wise

  that would be bad but possibly inventive

  I've got a little spoilery papercut

  thing on my mind here because I think

  telling people even if you think

  something is good or bad counts as a

  spoiler and I bet you agree - yep

  completely agree yeah like I don't want

  to know if the film was good or bad you

  know the most you can tell me is that

  the film is out and here's where you can

  see it right or whether the ticket

  prices like with your friend that

  friendly mentioned if she tells you what

  she thinks of a movie

  it's totally spoiled there I think you

  need to avoid even how good a film is so

  the BBC News website but there are

  places where I expect to stumble over

  spoilers like the movie review section

  of a newspaper or something like that

  you know okay if I'm wading through

  there okay I might see something I don't

  want to see yeah if you're digging

  around on Rotten Tomatoes you can't be

  surprised if you're spoiled

  exactly but the BBC News website for

  reasons that are beyond me anyway have

  decided to start reviewing films like

  big films when they come out and what

  they do is they quite often we'll put

  these reviews on like the front page of

  their news website and the other thing

  they do is in the headline so on the

  front page with the BBC news website in

  the headline next to the name of the

  film they have the star rating that

  they've given her so I'll just be

  looking I'll be scrolling down the front

  page of the BBC News website and it will

  say you know man dies in plane crash

  latest bricks at negotiations and then

  the next thing down we'll say the LA

  Jedi three out of four stars mm-hmm like

  as a headline on a news website I can't

  believe they do that fair enough if they

  said review of the last Jedi and then if

  I clicked on that I can go and read the

  review all right I clicked on it but

  putting the star in the headline on the

  clicky clicky bit on the front page

  where you can't help but see it not

  happy not happy I don't know I feel like

  I'm very sensitive to spoilers I agree

  that it would be better if they didn't

  but it can't really feel like the BBC

  has an opinion of the Star Wars movie

  anyway well yeah that's a whole other

  question whether the news website should

  be reviewing a fair enough a movie

  review show or something that they do

  but yeah well yeah I mean I'm surprised

  the BBC wasn't reviewing movies already

  I could just assume there'd be a thing

  that they do but they don't review

  movies across their content and radio

  shows and they have they have a movie

  review TV show but having on their news

  website this review but the star rating

  riddle me this then you don't care about

  it mmm what does it even achieve having

  the star rating in the headline to click

  you through I mean I guess that what you

  just said there is what it achieves it's

  probably there to get you to click

  through I'm guessing like knowing how

  many stars the reviewer gave it does

  that make you more likely or less likely

  to read it I feel like I would be more

  likely to click that more likely if it

  gets a high rating or a low rating hmm I

  don't know if it's true but I feel like

  I would be more likely to click a thing

  that has the rating in the title just in

  general because it almost feels a bit

  like the you won't believe kind of

  headlines putting the star rating there

  almost is asking a question which is why

  did this rating happen what is the

  reason for this rating okay I feel like

  it's a more intriguing title than simply

  saying Star Wars last Jedi review click

  here okay like Star Wars the last Jedi

  review 3 out of 5 stars

  click here is more intriguing it draws

  the mouse pointer nearer I see what you

  sign so I still think they shouldn't do

  it for spoiler reasons but at least now

  I understand why they do it I can't feel

  like it's a spoiler Christmas podcast

  episode brady and gray don't like the

  last yet either why did you not do that

  i didn't think of it at the time maybe

  I'll do that next year

  look at next year's Star Wars

  three out of five right that's what the

  title is gonna be well I'll tell you why

  and actually in all seriousness I think

  you will a verb Radian greater okay so I

  feel like this is connected to the

  notion of why is it spoilery when

  someone tells you what they think about

  a movie or a TV show or whatever and I

  feel like it's because the person who is

  telling you you as the listener probably

  have some concept of the kinds of things

  that person likes and doesn't like this

  is where the BBC is like oh hi BBC

  you're just a faceless machine alright

  you might as well be a robot telling me

  that the movie has X out of five stars

  like who cares about the opinion of like

  a soulless conscious list machine so I

  feel like that's kind of the same thing

  with the BBC movie reviews like I mean

  probably there's some poor person who's

  writing that movie review but like for

  the most part it doesn't feel like the

  BBC or the New York Times or anybody

  could have a meaningful opinion about

  the movie whereas like particular movie

  reviewers can have meaningful opinions

  and thoughts about the movie and then

  that would feel like a spoiler

  well the BBC does have some of them but

  yeah maybe that doesn't apply to the

  website but I see what you're saying

  whereas if I know what you think it's

  like a you know but it's so simple all I

  have to do is define what I know of you

  know like mentally reverse-engineering

  what it is okay well speaking of star

  reviews mmm I just wanted to bring

  something up that we have hardly ever

  done if ever and that is talked about

  people rating our podcast on iTunes

  you know how lots of podcasts say hey

  can you give us a star rating on iTunes

  because it helps us with the algorithm

  and more people will find us and stuff I

  think you and I both have always been

  pretty reluctant to do that yeah I feel

  like it has been a long time since we

  were playing the what country are you

  from game with our podcast reviews well

  I'm gonna throw this out for people to

  give us a star review on iTunes

  preferably a high one but not for the

  reason you might think all right not for

  like the algorithm and to you know get

  recommended to more people I mean that

  would be lovely but that's

  the race I don't think that really works

  but okay I don't know I don't know my

  reasons is far more shallow okay great

  perfect you know what I feel like it's

  already going to be more effective yeah

  and that is this basically when I know

  people people like my wife and my

  friends and stuff like that but this

  recently happened I think with my wife

  she had a high-powered meeting with some

  influential people in the world of like

  media and podcast II stuff she was just

  talking to them and she said to them oh

  my husband does a podcast that is that

  you know is quite successful when does

  quite well mm-hmm like the person at the

  meeting said ah what's a cold like all

  excited because they are into podcasts

  and I'm she makes she said hello

  Internet I hope that's what she said the

  guy was like ah you know I've never

  heard of it mm-hmm fair enough you know

  a good proportion of the world's

  population haven't heard of hello

  Internet I accept that but then it

  occurred to me he probably would then

  have checked the podcast is to see what

  it was and what it was about and what it

  was like and when you go away and check

  someone's like YouTube channels or

  Twitter account or something you can

  very quickly see if that claim is legit

  like is this really a big YouTube

  channel just have a lot of subscribers

  is this person really influential do

  they have a lot of Twitter followers or

  was that all talk with the podcast the

  only thing you can do is go to iTunes

  and look at how many star ratings the

  podcast has and if it has lots and lots

  of people have reviewed it you'll say oh

  yeah okay yeah that is people must

  listen to that podcast and if it has

  just a handful you think arts just you

  know a couple of guys in their bedroom

  and and no one listens and it suddenly

  occurred to me to a stranger who's not

  aware with like you know the world of

  Tim foolery and doesn't hang out on the

  subreddit and hasn't where I know

  followed the podcast for years the only

  thing we can be judged by is the number

  of star ratings and like I'm okay I can

  live with people thinking hello

  internets big or small but in that

  particular little situation I suddenly

  thought no I don't actually know how

  many star ratings we have maybe we have

  loads but it just suddenly occurred to

  me that our that's a good thing about

  star ratings forget the algorithm if

  someone checks up on the podcast to find

  out whether it's legit whether it's like

  a good podcast or not that's all they

  can look at it is a strange thing

  in the podcast world how under this veil

  of secrecy everything is because I often

  want to know like how big is somebody

  else's pocket and you just have no idea

  it's funny it never really occurred to

  me to go look at iTunes and look at the

  reviews but I feel like that is also a

  case of that is still going to be pretty

  inconsistent because some podcasts beg

  for reviews at the end of every episode

  and some podcasts you know like ours

  don't ever ask for reviews except in the

  very beginning whatever getting started

  and today right and this very moment

  right now as you should be on on your

  podcast app opening up the iTunes don't

  do a radio tom style like automated

  process where like they're the Apple

  servers collapse under some automated

  star system where there's more we get

  more star ratings that there are stars

  in the Milky Way or something great

  rating nobody was thinking that until

  you mentioned it so thanks okay great

  yeah okay so change if that happens yeah

  so actual humans only yes Brady for his

  vanity project would like more reviews

  and iTunes that's the only humans need

  apply right only humans need a fly but

  Grady wants to be able to impress people

  and show them real proof that the

  podcast is a big deal so I guess we're

  asking for reviews no it's more other

  people like my friends and stuff like

  that like it's not about me wanting to

  like you know I can do make up a number

  oh yeah we hundred million downloads

  just yesterday so wait can I just be

  clear here so this isn't even this is

  not something you want for you directly

  now this is like second hand

  conversations that people you know are

  having about you it's someone I know who

  recommend to someone I know who knows

  someone else who might go and have a

  look to see how many stars we've got

  okay great I wasn't it'll be like a

  decent number how many ratings if we go

  we currently have 661 ratings with a

  five-star average is that good

  Oh co-op star sounds good base 661 good

  I have no idea what podcast ratings are

  but whatever that is we're just gonna

  say right now far too low for whatever

  should have right it's this should be

  ten thousand five star ratings sorry


  yes that's what we're going for just go

  into iTunes click the star for your mate


  it's not about gaming the algorithm I

  couldn't care less about that it's just

  about purely about vanity I like this

  you know what I swear to God I feel like

  that's a more pure desire just being

  real upfront about it is like Hades

  feeling a bit like he wants his vanity

  flattered why don't you help out with

  that people and I am 100% convinced that

  all those podcasts had asked for four

  reviews and ratings at the end like I

  just do not think that really matters

  like as far as I can tell I don't think

  that really matters in iTunes land maybe

  it does in other podcast players but

  like on iTunes anyway I don't think it

  makes any difference I think it does

  matter because there is a bit of the

  rich get richer and the thing on iTunes

  isn't there like if a successful podcast

  launches another one and that sort of

  stuff I think there is a bit of

  algorithmic stuff going on there to be

  gamed don't get me wrong there's a rich

  gets richer effect but what I'm saying

  is I don't think there's any relation

  between the number of reviews and like

  promotion on iTunes I don't think

  there's a clear connection there I think

  there is I think when you search

  something like if you go into the eye

  and search cricket you know and it

  recommends a bunch of cricket podcast to

  I think the ones with higher stars are

  getting recommended before ones with two

  stars I could be wrong and this this

  information could be outdated but the

  impression that I got is that the at

  least on iTunes the recommendations are

  largely based on a combination of two

  things and then it's new people

  subscribing and current download numbers

  all right that was the impression that I

  was given at one point that that is like

  90% of the recommendation effect and

  that the review thing is less less of an

  effect but that could be wrong well

  great I was gonna make a joke right

  this was the joke I was about to say

  okay well I just searched Flags on my

  podcast player and we weren't even on

  the front page but to be honest I'd

  asserts flags on my phone and we were

  the Sikh recommended podcast okay

  I take it back yeah hello we think that

  soon to dominate the bee podcast market

  oh I didn't think the bees I'm gonna

  search bees and see if we get if we get

  on the front page for bees

  I am gonna say apples awesome it's a

  dramatic moment bees I'm searching bees

  podcasts we are on the first page and

  we're in the top top 20 apple knows what

  it's doing with bee and flag related

  podcast recommendations so great I've

  been requiring some social advice for

  you because I know you're the master of

  social situations oh oh no no Brady

  don't ask me I feel like I've been

  particularly bad about this lately okay

  this is one just just want to throw it

  out there cuz it's pagina it's part of

  life I feel like you know people like

  you and me know how to react if someone

  says to us oh it's you know it's my

  birthday or I'm getting married or we're

  having a baby like you kind of know the

  things you're supposed to say to someone


  yeah things like and if someone dies you

  also know there are certain ways to

  handle that it's a you know when someone

  has had a bereavement and they tell you

  about it I'm very sorry for your loss so

  if you lost things like that what do you

  say when someone tells you they're

  getting divorced

  cuz I had that one the other day and I

  kind of know I know I know lots of

  people who've gotten divorced obviously

  because it's a really common thing but

  like someone just said to me I'll you

  know it's just so you're in the know I'm

  just letting you know cuz you're my

  friend and I'm I'm we're actually you

  know we're getting divorced I didn't

  really know exactly what to say or do I

  don't know if I dropped the ball I

  handed it well but I just realized I

  don't know what the etiquette is for

  that I feel like that etiquette is very

  context dependent I mean the less I know

  about someone I would say something like

  oh I'm I'm so sorry that you're going

  through that yeah like that might be my

  default one but I could see in some

  circumstances like the divorce is a

  positive change possibly in both

  people's lives there's so much more you

  need to know isn't there like what's

  initiated er how do you feel about it

  yourself and like without all that

  information it's very difficult to know

  what to say I didn't immediately have

  the words at my grass

  I don't have a general answer for this

  as I'm probably sure it doesn't surprise

  you I also feel like I have heard about

  a thing but maybe this is just one of

  those like things on the internet that

  isn't real but I have heard about the

  concept of a divorce party where someone

  is celebrating the fact that their

  divorce has finally gone through and I

  have like a party to establish like oh

  this is a fresh start in life now like

  you're beginning things over so I don't

  know if that's real or not if anybody's

  actually had a real divorce party or if

  this is just like a meme are you

  imagining a divorce party where both the

  divorcee you know I don't know I fed

  know I feel like this there is two

  separate divorce okay right you know

  after you as a couple have divided up

  the friends you know so who's gonna get

  who in the communal friend pool that you

  have separate parties to celebrate the

  divorce I know again I don't know if

  that's real I just feel like this is a

  thing that I have heard about but I

  don't know why you'd be asking me about

  social advice I don't have any idea I

  always feel really awkward with those

  standard replies anyway like obviously

  they're the standard replies for a

  reason but as feel like I should be more

  creative somehow with expressing

  condolence or congratulations like when

  it's somebody's birthday and you send

  them a text message you say oh

  congratulations happy birthday I always

  feel like I should be able to say more

  especially if it's a person I know but

  they're the kind of isn't a lot more to

  say at those events like you just these

  are the social motions that we go

  through yep

  I feel like this is the worst time that

  you could have possibly asked me that's

  because like I've had in my list a

  question to ask you which is a much

  simpler social question yeah but I

  genuinely feel like I need help in this

  area and then the question is how does

  one greet people I feel like I've

  forgotten how to greet people or I just

  don't know anymore do you know what's

  happened I blame myself for this know

  myself for you having this problem I was

  gonna say because you've seen this

  you've seen this in person right you

  know what I'm talking about

  I feel like I introduced you to the

  concept of the half handshake half hug

  yes you did I think you were I think you

  were the first person who did this and I

  feel like it caught your

  imagination as a good thing to do right

  but you still haven't learned how to do

  it right and so every time I see you you

  try to do it and I'm like oh great

  you're not feeling it

  if you don't feel it don't do it right I

  love doing it and I enjoy it but I feel

  like you're overthinking it here's the

  question for the listeners Brady has

  this idea this thing that he's invented

  which is a half handshake where like I

  do break you don't hug the person you

  sort of handshake and back slap at the

  same time yeah yeah ugh I call a humble

  hug okay got it

  but you're keeping like a little bit of

  distance because your hands are shaking

  in between the two of you yeah and then

  the hands go over the back like I gets a

  hug we're like you know your belly

  buttons wouldn't touch it's just like

  right my right shoulder would touch your

  right shoulder as our right hands shake

  and then my left hand will touch the

  back of your left shoulder I'm doing

  this a friend of microphone right now

  yeah okay I mean that it's a difficult

  maneuver to pull off obviously this is

  like 16 plus level greetings right this

  is this is not for beginners yeah but I

  also feel like I don't understand the

  boundaries of social greetings anymore

  it's like like how well do you have to

  know someone to do a hug greeting hum

  versus a hug well no no this is a

  spectrum right we have the full spectrum

  so on one end we have like a hug

  right yeah and so we could say clearly

  family members right you would greet a

  family member with a hug yeah maybe a

  kiss on the cheek right that's one clear

  clear end who I'm allowed to kiss so I

  find difficult no no let's just put that

  aside just for the moment like we can

  return to this but all right then on the

  other end you have like you have flown

  to Japan and now met a stranger and

  you're just going to politely bow and I

  feel like you're in some kind of

  competition to bow lower but I also

  don't know for sure if that's real so

  anyway this is like the contact spectrum

  and then for most of the times you meet

  I feel like I'm meeting a pure stranger

  it's really fine like okay we do

  handshakes handshakes for everybody but


  soon as I'm meeting a person the second

  time or the third time I don't know I

  feel like I always get it wrong I feel

  like I do this wrong every time and I

  don't know how to do it and I am now

  convinced I'm gonna blame you on

  introducing like an off by one error

  that has looped over in my head a

  hundred thousand times and is making

  every time I greet someone hard and

  incomprehensible to me now the thing you

  shouldn't do is reference the hug that's

  my tip okay like don't say we're hugging

  or let's have a hug or come on haha hug

  just do the hug but don't reference the

  hug okay so no verbal acknowledgment of

  the hug yeah is there a way to save it

  when someone else is going for the hug

  but you go for the handshake you've got

  a you've got to convert to the hug

  they can't downgrade you've got a rise

  to the occasion and join the hug what if

  they've already extended their hands and

  you haven't noticed Holloman asked all

  them in to the humble hugs up yank them

  in humble hug yeah hmm

  you can also deflect a hug into a humble

  hug okay deflect a hug I feel like it

  needs to cut it like some like brazilian

  jiu-jitsu class to practice this and

  there's also another option is as you do

  the hug and if it's become awkward and

  you realize it's all gone wrong you do

  like a funny you pat them on the back

  three or four times and like with a

  laugh like isn't this funny what we're

  doing and make a big joke of the hug

  wait but so now you're referencing yeah

  everything the hug yeah but that's only

  because it needs referencing because

  it's all gone so far wrong okay so if it

  goes if it goes really wrong hmm you

  reference the hug I'll write you some

  notes this was all brought to a head on

  God I will remember this until the day I

  die but I was meeting a stranger on one

  of my recent trips and we just we just

  went to do I swear to God Brady like you

  know level two and above the Simo simple

  thing the handshake yeah and somehow I

  went to handshake this other guy and I

  did it so wrong that how to describe

  this so imagine you're holding out your

  hand for a handshake and then you lower

  your pinkie so there's space like you're

  making a shadow dog on the wall somehow

  I got my hand into that position

  we we shook with like just the the

  webbing of our pinkies touching and the

  rest of our hands holding could have

  died I swear I could have died in that

  moment and it's like we're gonna do this

  we're gonna shake right

  boom boom boom three and done and no

  reference to it and this might be one of

  the last things I think about before I

  die is because it just keeps popping up

  in my head over and over again

  worse than the sloppy Ben's moment

  honestly yes because unlike the sloppy

  buns moment which was such a peculiar

  events with very special circumstances

  around it handshakes happen all the time

  and so now when I go to a handshake with

  someone I'm like very focused on keeping

  my fingers together to make sure that

  there is no accidental slippage here so

  it's been really rough for me Brady and

  then when you throw in the difficulty of

  living abroad as an expat and the

  complication of like who do you kiss

  because some people expect the kisses

  especially when you're dealing with

  foreigners and it's a broad like I can't

  deal with it and Here I am many years

  into life and I'm clearly getting much

  worse at the how do you greet another

  human protocol I'll tell you my biggest

  problem with the kiss okay and that is

  in a lot of the circles I move in the

  guys have a hug or a humble hug and

  male-female combinations do a kiss

  that's the way we roll right yep but I

  won't kiss someone who I don't know very

  well so sometimes if you're in a group

  and there are like say five or six women

  and you know them really well and

  there's one you don't you get into a

  situation where you use five people and

  then you get to the final person and

  you're like you just stick out your hand

  and shake your hand because it's like I

  don't you know it would be inappropriate

  for me to kiss you person and yet it

  almost feels like after you've just

  kissed all the other people it's almost

  like you're shunning them like it's like

  no I don't like you you know you smell I

  don't want to kiss you well of course

  that's not the case it creates a real

  awkward situation kiss kiss kiss kiss

  see you later shake and yeah yeah I

  don't know how to handle that you know I

  think that is the only way to handle

  that but I just feel a bit guilty it is

  extra worse because the the cheek kiss

  greeting thing I mean let's just ignore


  or to things like sometimes you never

  know what the other person's gonna do

  well you know sometimes free and you get

  you get cold out for only doing two

  there's three even work don't understand

  you go back to the one you started on

  you about it now yeah and if you're

  needed to do they're like no no no no we

  must do three no that's kissing the

  Latian no we're gonna be here all day

  doing this air kiss cheek thing okay so

  that situation with the kisses that is

  really hard I feel like the kiss is a

  closer greeting than the hug yeah I'm

  more discriminating with cheek kisses

  even err cheek kisses than I would be

  with hugs I think with a dude you can

  escalate to hug relatively quickly yeah

  or the humble hug because I really got

  to work on that I really got to work on

  that but so that's why it feels like if

  you've done the cheek kiss and then

  there's one woman who you don't feel

  it's okay or you know her well enough to

  do the cheek kiss it does now feel like

  it's an extra level of social rejection

  to not do the cheek kiss whereas I feel

  like when I've been in those situations

  where it's a group of people and someone

  does the hug I agree it feels like the

  only thing that you can do is i okay

  well now everybody's getting a hug right

  yeah hug escalation has just occurred

  yeah and now I have to remember for all

  of these people for all the rest of time

  that like we've escalated to hug and so

  I have to remember that next time so I

  don't downgrade them it doesn't feel

  like you can escalate to cheek kissing I

  feel especially as a guy like the other

  person has to initiate the cheek kissing

  thing is like okay then we're on this

  level and sometimes if you've done three

  or four in a row

  they will realize okay this is awkward

  for him I'm gonna give him the cheek yes

  otherwise it's gonna be awkward for him

  but it's difficult this is difficult

  times we live in

  it's awful but I've been mean to ask you

  for months like help me greet people

  Brady I just don't know how to do it

  maybe I'll run like away days like you

  know up in the mountains where you come

  and do like a three or four day retreat

  we just do like hugging lessons and

  handshakes and air kisses and next time

  I see you in all seriousness I want you

  to help me practice the humble oh don't

  mention it don't reference it manikin a

  punching bag just be hugging it Oh day

  like okay maybe I'll give that a try but

  I feel like I've not been socially

  rejected you don't want to practice

  humble hugging degrading it hurts it

  hurts deep well as I record this in

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  episode I was at the cinema the other

  day actually it was when I saw the last

  Jedi it wasn't even the other day and

  they were running the thousand ads they

  run before films now which drives me

  crazy and they ran an ad for Twitter I

  was quite astonished by this ad I've

  read a bit about it since and heard a

  bit more about it I sent it to you

  earlier today this is breathtaking to me

  it's well known that Twitter has this

  problem of needing to get new people

  onto Twitter and someone has obviously

  convinced them that they need to pitch

  themselves at people who don't know what

  electricity is or something I don't know

  this is like these ads are pitched so

  low and so basic at teaching people what

  Twitter is and how to use it that if you

  need to be pitched this low at there's

  no way you're gonna use Twitter anyway

  in these ads it's like there's you know

  it's a couple of dumb scenarios but it's

  guys are trying to figure out how to use

  Twitter and someone comes along and it's

  like oh hey you need to pick a username

  Oh but-but-but my name's taken oh well

  then you have to think of a clever other

  username Brady can use an alternative

  name you don't have to use your heart

  name realize yes and now you follow

  things that you're interested so if

  you're so if you're interested in

  something that's the sort of thing you

  should follow and when you do that

  what's gonna happen is you're gonna be

  connected with other human beings who

  aren't you really and be able to see

  what those people are saying not you

  oh other people not me not you and see

  that magnifying glass thing's symbol

  that thing that looks like a magnifying

  glass right is that for like science

  lessons no that's what does is that lets

  you sir

  and if there's something you want to

  find hmm click that you will be able to

  search and on Twitter you can find other

  things that weren't already on you

  things that weren't already on you

  screen you can find other things it's


  you've got to get on this thing man it's

  awesome well it certainly looks like

  it's a like a platform for morons based

  on these advertisements if you don't

  know these things you're so far from

  being on Twitter

  you're obviously don't use the Internet

  I do enjoy them explain the concept of a

  username yeah yeah like okay yeah great

  I think people are familiar with the

  idea that on websites you have user

  names I'm sure there are people who

  aren't familiar with that grey but those

  people aren't who you need to be

  advertising to then lost to you oh wow

  that's really bad I do feel like this is

  a thing where you know you start off

  with this concept that Twitter doesn't

  reach a general audience and I've always

  been on the side of a like man I wish

  Twitter didn't have a bazillion dollars

  worth of venture capital sunk into it so

  that it has to constantly grow because I

  just don't think that Twitter is ever

  going to be a facebook like thing I

  think you're always going to have like

  1/10 of the people who are on Facebook

  are on Twitter I don't think it's a

  useful social network for every human

  being in the world and I just don't

  think it ever will be and I'm also

  willing to bet that these ads are like

  throwing money into a black hole as far

  as Twitter is concerned you know

  probably in the in the kind of world

  where you're putting an advertisement

  for Twitter before a movie hey you know

  we're talking about like a first world

  country you probably have the Twitter

  market share that you're going to have I

  don't think there's a lot of growth like

  just let Twitter be Twitter maybe you

  could argue the ideas explaining how

  Twitter works to people and I think

  that's a waste of time but if you're

  advertising to people who sort of know

  what Twitter is but think it's not for

  them that add in no way makes you think

  oh there is a platform I'm gonna move to

  now like there's nothing in the ad that

  makes you think there's something I'm

  missing out on here I don't need to get

  on let's say you wanted people to sign

  up with Twitter that you thought this

  was a good idea and you thought hey

  maybe people are really unfamiliar with

  all of the great things that Twitter can

  do I know let's see

  our framing device is a hostage

  negotiation right so we're going to have

  a guy in a house who looks like he's a

  crazy person with police on the outside

  and we're going to have a hostage

  negotiator yelling the instructions of

  how to sign up for Twitter remotely at

  him like the crazy man in the house who

  if this was a movie in every movie would

  be like a lunatic with a gun holding

  hostages on the inside of the house like

  he's the guy who's coming out and it's

  using Twitter like it's I don't

  understand who this is for in both ads

  the guy that they're trying to get to

  use Twitter and be on Twitter is a god

  you don't want to be like he's like no I

  don't want to be that guy yeah in the

  second one he's like a shadow just

  running along a road for reasons I can't

  really understand it doesn't make any

  sense I mean like you can explain stuff

  simply if people need to know it I feel

  like a good example of this is like if

  you look at what the original iPhone

  commercials were those commercials are

  hilariously simple now where they

  explain very slowly how you make a phone

  call on your iPhone and they sure like

  you tap on this button and then you tap

  on the numbers yeah they show you like

  here's how you look up a place on a map

  on your iPhone and they go through it

  super simply but psych yeah that's

  because smartphones were new and they're

  also a product for the whole world click

  you want everybody to do this and Apple

  left those behind relatively quickly

  right whereas here now are like 10 years

  into the existence of Twitter and

  they're putting out ads to convince

  people to go on Twitter they're terrible

  ads and I bet their horrific ly

  ineffective but I'm always amazed stuff

  like this gets made

  I kind of would love to be on the fly on

  the wall in the pitch meetings for this

  kind of thing like how does this

  locomotive leave the train station I

  just don't understand I know you sort of

  quite often go on sort of Twitter fasts

  where you're not on Twitter for a long

  time you know you're offline and then

  you'll sort of reappear after 2 or 3


  I've always wondered when you do that

  how far back will you go through sort of

  at replies and things like that to see

  what you missed or whom

  fire things at you or do you think like

  anything more than a day old is lost

  forever or will you sit there and go

  through like a timeline for the last

  week or so and go oh there's something

  interesting there that's a funny picture

  or or will you just completely shun that


  oh now forget it I just I don't look in

  the past right the most I'll do which

  sounds terrible but it's true is because

  I am a lucky verified user on Twitter I

  will click on the verified tab to see if

  there's anything interesting in there

  and that is a vastly vastly smaller

  subsection of that replies yeah but no

  like haven't really been on Twitter very

  much at all in the past many weeks and I

  just don't bother to look at the app

  replies I don't think it's really a

  worthwhile thing to do to scroll back

  for three weeks worth of that reply it's

  like especially what makes Twitter great

  is it so in the moment yeah it feels way

  more ephemeral than other mediums do so

  I wouldn't go back through the history

  well are you thinking of taking a

  Twitter fast Brady are you looking for

  advice I was just curious I was curious

  I don't really go off for as long as you

  but sometimes I'll go back a day or two

  and there'll be something like ah I'm

  really glad I went back and found that

  because that was a real little gem that

  someone like a funny picture that a team

  sent me or something that I would have

  otherwise missed and I sort of think

  yeah you can miss some good stuff

  amongst all that rubbish that you don't

  want to say I was just curious you know

  everywhere in the world you can miss

  good stuff it doesn't mean that it makes

  sense to look everywhere in the world

  well that segues nicely to a quick one

  let's do a one of our famous quickfire

  rounds that we're so good at oh okay

  because you've missed a lot of news

  lately I have I have been very

  disconnected from the world so fill me

  in on the important updates that have

  been going on but we haven't spoken for

  a while and I've pulled together a small

  little collection of news stories that

  either I want to hear what you think

  about or I want to rant about the first

  one and I just came across this today is

  the humanity star okay I don't like the

  name of this already it looks like it's

  a small satellite that's some kind of

  geodesic sphere made from carbon fiber

  and highly reflective

  that has been put spinning into orbit

  and is designed to like flash as the Sun

  catches it so that it blinks a lot so

  that we can all look up and see it as

  some kind of inspirational art

  installation is this real I'm looking at

  his website this isn't a concept has

  this actually been launched it's not

  April 1st is it no I think it's up

  there's an app you can look where it is

  at the moment like it's currently

  heading towards Mongolia and then over

  Russia oh yeah oh yeah look at that

  there's a live map of where this space

  junk is how exciting it will last nine

  months and then it will fall out of

  orbit apparently where will it land yeah

  I mean yeah it will burn up I mean

  obviously there are certain satellites

  famously there's these Iridium flares

  that are caused by satellites when they

  catch the Sun at a certain angle and

  that's what inspired this they've made

  like a deliberate one that's full of

  mirrors that will do this rather than

  have it happen incidentally I am very

  unconvinced by the merits of this tell

  me why you're opposed to a Brady I think

  like the sky is maybe like the one

  untouched thing that isn't hasn't got

  like human machina Slover if you don't

  include skywriting and banners in Miami

  and things like that right like you can

  look up at the stars and see everything

  as it was like you know a thousand years

  ago and not have like coca-cola

  billboards and human intervention and I

  think this is the thin end of a wedge

  where we're now thinking oh now we can

  get things into space easier this is an

  opportunity to like put stuff up there

  that will catch people's eye and I think

  this is the star of coca-cola billboards

  in space where we're putting things in

  space deliberately to be seen back down

  here on earth like I know you can see

  the space station and you can see

  satellites if the conditions are right

  and you'll see a dot moving through the

  stars but like that's kind of incidental

  this is like oh let's make something

  that deliberately catches people's

  attention down on earth and like do we

  want to go this way is this the

  direction we want to go well we're doing

  it yes but Brady in the Y section on the

  humanity star website yeah if they say

  that humanity is capable of great and

  kind things when we recognize we are one

  species responsible for the care of each

  and our planet together the humanity

  star is to remind us of this no matter

  where you are in the world rich or in

  poverty in conflict or at peace everyone

  will be able to see the bright blinking

  Humanity star orbiting the Earth in the

  night sky don't you think that's a noble

  goal breathing well you've just given

  them a nice piece of audio they can clip

  and put on their website it's a healthy

  reminder of how easy people in other

  countries can put satellites above our

  country I just think it's the star of

  mucking up space it wouldn't have

  crossed my mind that this might be the

  start of the thin end of a wedge I mean

  to me this just strikes me as like vain

  space junk more vain than putting a

  Tesla in space I feel like I missed that

  story I never quite got with her duty

  wasn't it launching a Tesla to Mars

  wasn't that what it was I don't think it

  was Mars I think it was to check it out

  in space somewhere what chuck it at the

  Sun like it was garbage is that what it


  now I need to Tesla in space what was

  that this is one of these things there

  was like it vaguely reached my bubble

  but didn't quite I think for some reason

  the need to put a heavy object out in

  space and they think well why not use a

  Tesla Roadster as opposed to just like a

  heavy thing at least the headlines are

  all saying that they're shooting a Tesla

  Roadster beyond Mars whatever that means

  but at least is not like there's a Tesla

  orbiting the Earth ridiculous if there

  was a Tesla that was orbiting the night

  sky so that everybody could look up and

  be reminded that humanity is capable of

  great things when we recognize we are

  one species responsible for the care of

  each other and our planet together that

  would be ridiculous okay yeah Musk's

  thing is they need to have a dummy

  payload to test a rocker and instead of

  just putting some concrete or rocks in

  it because you're obviously not going to

  put like a billion-dollar satellite in

  yet you know test right why not put a

  roadster in there because you know he's

  got them lying around so you know why

  not cross promote my my cars at the same

  time and like you know but I mean the

  guy's a total publicity tat say yes or

  at least there's a functional reason for

  that but the humanity star there why

  page does not convince me of the merits

  of it like you put a shiny thing up in

  the sky and just just because you say


  for this thing like it doesn't make it

  that thing it just is what it is plus

  the number of people who will ever

  recognize it or see it is tiny and if

  they do they won't think like wow I'm

  really feeling like I'm one with the

  human species they'll think I wonder

  what that dot is is it a plane

  or is it a satellite yeah whatever right

  and then that'll be the end of their

  thought process if they even notice it

  I love the condescending way you say

  humanity's death

  well I mean come on you give it a name

  like that and that's what's going to

  happen like it's it's reaching so far

  yeah I feel like this is dumb and I

  really just wondered mostly about the

  details of how did this get up into

  orbit like what like I'm just realizing

  I don't really know how nations

  coordinate satellites up in space or

  anything I just realizing there's this

  huge gaping hole in my knowledge of how

  this kind of stuff works yeah I don't

  know maybe in ten years we'll be seeing

  coca-cola billboards as it gets cheaper

  and easier to launch things up into

  outer space well next time I'm following

  the humanity star tracker and I say it's

  going over London I'll give you a text

  and say go out now great oh yeah it's

  your chance to say it yeah I'm sure

  standing in central London where when I

  look up into the night sky and see

  nothing but blackness because my

  solution I'm sure I'll I'm sure I'll

  spot this one more nice more news

  Bam Bam Bam so I don't know if you saw

  this but there was an election in

  Virginia where the two candidates got

  equal votes and it was like in the

  11,000 s or something a really high

  number and they ended up on equal votes

  so they decided the election by a random

  draw which is interesting in itself and

  how they decide to do a random draw I

  find fascinating what do you think of

  deciding an election by randomness when

  the votes are even fair enough I'm kind

  of okay with it as long as it's set out

  in advance like everybody knows this is

  part of the rules like I think this is a

  not uncommon electoral feature nono

  happens nothing happens with smaller

  constituencies obviously where the vote

  numbers are lower but this was quite a

  high one to have a coin toss but yeah

  well there wasn't a coin toss they

  pulled names out of film canisters from

  a stoneware bowl

  but that's a whole other story he's very

  specific film canisters bought on Amazon

  the woman even like she was doing guys

  I bought these film canisters on Amazon

  they're unmarked and identical the A+

  American accent their breathing I don't

  know what that was it kind of I was

  halfway through I decided to convert to

  American say it all went a bit wrong how

  does that particularly enjoy

  non-americans doing American accents

  it's always a combination of horrific ly

  wrong in ways that are hard to place and

  also the horror of recognizing that this

  is what the world thinks you sounds like

  it's like okay this is what people

  people think Americans they always gave

  very southern very quickly as well yeah

  has also loud and broad that's also what

  it yeah do that I'm an American Oh

  perfect yep that could have come from

  anywhere America any town USA that's

  your American accent pretty so I just

  think the random the coin toss thing is

  like where pragmatism is running up

  against idealism we're sure in theory

  you would want to have the election

  again and I bet the simple fact of

  knowing that there was a tie would

  change the result the next time or it's

  just in shockingly unlikely that you

  would get a tie the next time but like

  what are you gonna do not every district

  in America can run a second election

  like sometimes especially in smaller

  races like you just need to get things

  moving and you need to put somebody in

  that office so um I'm sort of okay with

  the coin flip it's not ideal but it's

  practical under some circumstances this

  was the do story that has stuck in my

  head the longest over the last few weeks

  so I just thought I'd tell you about it

  okay this was a surgeon who got caught

  lasering his initials on two livers

  before he transplanted them into people

  it was just so remarkable like I

  couldn't have made that one up I'm not

  entirely clear why he did it I think it

  must have been like a vanity exercise

  like you know gray was here yeah I think

  yeah it's 100% vanity it's like asking

  for more podcast reviews yeah say his

  initials s

  be he was lasering onto these livers

  which apparently didn't cause any damage

  to the livers and would eventually go

  away but apparently he got caught out

  when another surgeon opened up someone

  who needed like a little bit of running

  repairs and they said hang on is that an

  S be on the liver sb was here W uz and

  he got caught but the funny thing was

  they couldn't figure what to charge him

  with he was charged with assault

  occasioning actual bodily harm which

  seems like a strange charge for that

  like putting your initials on a liver

  that's not even in a person and then

  putting that in but he pleaded not

  guilty to that and he ended up pleading

  guilty to two counts of assault by

  beating as bad as they like yes in my

  mind like I'm trying to think of what

  would you charge a person

  assault as what just popped into my head

  is the first choice yeah but if the

  liver was not inside the person when it

  happened maybe it was maybe it was maybe

  he put it in and then put his SPF

  towards to say job done like like

  signing your artwork if it's in the

  person I feel like if it could be

  assault if it's not in the person if

  it's on the table then it feels like

  property damage say this other surgeon

  that core team might open someone up and

  saw it took a photograph of it with

  their mobile phone of the four

  centimeter high branding that's like oh

  my goodness I'm gonna take a picture of

  that is there a picture in this article

  I want to think I haven't seen a picture

  of the SBA ah I don't know if that's

  come out what a story hey I feel like

  this story is so weird on so many levels

  like surgeons always have that cliche

  you know there are they've got a god

  complex and they think they're awesome

  like this is really reinforcing that

  stereotype that he's like thinks he's

  like this Picasso of surgery and has to

  sign his work well I mean on the one

  hand the man's putting new livers into

  people like Picasso couldn't do that so

  what you think he has got a right to

  sign it well I think this is one of the

  most amazing news stories why can't the

  news all be this this is fantastic Brady

  I want every news story to be this news

  story I love this line in the sand

  the Kalam reading about it says a barium

  Crown Court representative said he was

  charged with assault causing actual

  bodily harm but pleaded guilty on

  Wednesday to a lesser charge of assault

  by baiting and that it puts in practice

  beating here refers to the physical act

  of inscribing the livers not actually

  beating the patients that's a whole side

  story about the ridiculousness of plea


  I'll admit guilty to a crime they didn't


  I think that stuff is crazy but I feel

  like okay if I had had a liver

  transplant and I found out that the the

  surgeon had signed my liver even in a

  temporary way I would be really annoyed

  by that I would feel like that was some

  kind of violation oh yeah

  the patients were annoyed but they were

  very upset about it they felt very

  violated I heard some of them on the

  radio yeah yeah it would feel weirdly

  violating but I feel like I can't go to

  see surgeons perspective which is like

  I'm an awesome guy putting livers into

  human beings like I can do like a fun

  non-harmful temporary thing like I can

  kind of see what the thought process

  would be going through his head you're

  like a surgical banksy I don't know I

  can't come up with the comparison but

  it's like one of the very early max I

  think the whole development team like

  sawing the inside of the cases for the

  first run or something like that

  feel like oh that's great that's an

  addition I open to the computer and like

  the chip designer had written his name

  across the inside I wouldn't feel

  annoyed I would feel kind of like yeah

  you can't do that you can put your name

  on the inside of the machine that I'll

  never see or even in videogames coders

  are notorious for hiding signatures and

  little personal things inside the game

  that like the CEO of a company will

  never know is there and that they really

  probably shouldn't be putting in there

  but they do anyway and it becomes Easter

  eggs and I feel like all of that is some

  kind of fun but then when it's a liver

  it just it feels really different and it

  feels totally wrong but I can't find in

  my mind where the line is between like

  the Mac or the video game Easter eggs

  and this signature which is really

  complicated by the fact that it is

  impermanent that it's not there forever


  I've got a dusty windscreen on my car

  and someone with their finger writes you

  know clean me yeah yeah like have they

  vandalized my car yeah have they

  battered your car battery here refers to

  the act of right and clean me in the

  window it does not refer to physical

  assault punching the cat yeah here's a

  quote from someone whose life he saved

  previously who I don't think he wrote

  his initials on or maybe he did well

  maybe he did she said even if he did put

  his initials on a transplanted liver is

  it really that bad I wouldn't have cared

  if he did it to me the man saved my life

  I think that that's what's on the other

  side of my mental scale here is I would

  feel violently but at the same time it's

  like I've gotten another liver put

  inside me it's amazing but like a pilot

  flies you across the Atlantic without

  you dying does that mean the pilot now

  has the right to gouge his initials in

  some part of your body because he didn't

  crash the plane and therefore saved your

  life you're helping the language here

  right to gouge which sounds like it sure

  is permanent well but it's not worse

  than battery but battery there refers to

  the fact of the legs that right as

  opposed to physical yeah so stupid but I

  don't know like if a plane landed and

  the pilot was like giving hath

  signatures to everybody on the way out

  of the plane I feel like yeah I guess so

  or to put it another way if the pilot

  walked out halfway across the Atlantic

  flight and said I'm not gonna go back

  into the cockpit and this you've let me

  write my initials on your liver you'd

  probably say go ahead just land the

  plane what a weird story

  yeah see what you miss out by not

  following the news I feel like this is

  the most interesting news story you have

  brought to me in the entire lifetime of

  this podcast yeah so if I miss out on

  one of these every half a decade I think

  I'm still coming out ahead here's a good

  one for you then this is a story from a

  museum in Bristol that got caught

  selling prints of a Banksy statue that

  was in its museum without Banksy's

  permission this is bang see the famous

  you know graffiti artist mysterious

  person who nowhere knows who he is for

  people who don't know Banksy is right

  whose dismal land we went to go see

  exactly so Banksy's people said yeah you

  don't have permission the museum

  apologized profusely and stopped selling

  them they were selling like hotcakes

  apparently and that's

  stop selling them and it was a little

  kerfuffle now the thing I find most

  interesting about this is that Banksy

  who made his name illegally graffitiing

  things around Bristol and other places

  is now on this high horse saying how

  dare you how dare you break the law and

  make money off me without my permission

  like am I the only one who has this

  little voice in the back of my head gang

  you know I'm all for protecting the

  artists rights you know we've talked

  about freebooting enough but I'm like

  can Banksy do that I am honestly torn

  because I hate saying artists being

  exploited and taken advantage of but

  this is the one person who I feel like

  he's not in a strong position to say you

  can only make money and do things you

  know the right way his whole reputation

  has been built on writing on walls he's

  not allowed to write on and like you

  know this gorilla thing about him he's

  talented guy but he's he made his name

  in this dodgy way I just thought it was

  like a bit funny yeah under different

  circumstances Banksy might have to have

  had plead guilty to battery on walls all

  over the United Kingdom there is

  definitely the case of if Banksy was a

  less good artist he would just be in

  jail but it's true right it's totally

  true some some of the things he's done

  if he wasn't a famous artist totally be

  in prison oh yeah I do feel like we have

  to live in a world of laws and the laws

  have to apply to us all and they have to

  be executed fairly I do agree that like

  if Banksy is ever complaining about

  copyright infringement or people using

  his stuff in ways that it shouldn't he

  he is an artist that is going to have

  less of my sympathy and concern over

  something like that

  the Louis Goodwin it's AIT's a but not

  when it doesn't say yes obviously your

  copyright should be protected but I'm

  gonna be worried about other things much

  higher on the queue my concern over

  monkey copyright is way higher than my

  concern over Banksy copyright last but

  not least cuz you know we like a you

  know logos you know we are design


  a flag reputation precedes us we are

  professional critique errs of many

  things Brady this is right

  so they've released the official logo

  for the 2018 World Chess Championship

  you know how I love the World Chess

  Championship so I was very excited to

  see the logo they had released I want to

  know what you think of it and we'll

  obviously will link in the show notes

  for the teams I mean I'd like to hear

  you even try to describe it before you

  tell me what you think of it yeah

  so how would one describe this game good

  luck okay so we'll start with the easy

  part imagine a chessboard with a pawn on

  it it's a black and white logo to go

  with the black and white board the

  chessboard is being held by six by six

  chessboard I might point out with this

  by-the-by cut you know what you're right

  I'm so distracted by a few other

  features of this logo that I didn't

  notice that right away yes the nerds did

  vid yes okay so the chessboard is done

  incorrectly that's great but the

  chessboard is being held by two

  nightmare silhouettes of humans that

  have checkered or lined patterns on

  themselves and they are horribly Mis

  proportioned for humans and torsos are

  too long their arms are intertwined in a

  way that doesn't seem like it would make

  sense they're both looking at the

  chessboard and directly below the

  chessboard the bottom half of both of

  their bodies seem to be entwined in a

  pornographic matter their legs are

  intertwined in a way that is well beyond

  a humble hug that's for sure yes you

  would want to greet someone like that

  yeah this would be an inappropriate

  greeting for all but the most intimates

  of partners we would have to host a lot

  more podcast together before we greet as

  each other like that that will never

  happen there is no number of podcasts

  you can host that will make this

  appropriate greedy it has been described

  as a Kama Sutra logo tantric sexy the

  pun pornographic has been used some

  people lover it emits high concept you

  know it's real concept art isn't it's

  really abstract and you know the people

  who love it are wrong art is subjective

  but this is not this is ugly and

  horrible it is not at the Maryland point

  of awfulness it's just terrible and

  uncomfortable and if I didn't know

  better I would have assumed this was

  some kind of joke that this was not real


  god I hope so there was a lot of

  complaints about it but I think it might

  still be the official Lakers well I mean

  if I was on the committee that had

  approved this logo so I mean let's let's

  imagine that I'm the kind of person who

  would approve this logo in the first

  place and then the enormous amount of

  pushback comes back it's like well as

  always my advice is don't negotiate with

  terrorists if I was on that logo

  committee I would hold strong like nope

  this is your logo deal with the people I

  think now I'm hearing something where

  this is like an alternative logo there

  were two different logos it is still a

  logo and if we shall logo but there's

  another logo as well this is like an

  alternative comic book cover that's what

  you're saying yeah but I don't know

  which came first but I've just seen this

  other one on Wikipedia which is the same

  kind of look but without the men doing

  the sexy sexy intertwined pose hmm this

  one also looks like it's got an 8 by 8

  chess board this looks like it's the

  correction logo but okay so this other

  logo that you have sent me is also

  terrible oh it's horrendous and now as

  opposed to 10 trick people in twine in

  an uncomfortable manner now it is just

  their arms and hands entwined in an

  inappropriate manner so I don't like

  this at all I feel like both of these

  logos aside from their design are

  missing something about chess which is

  that like I bet a lot of the people who

  are really good at chess they're not

  like people people I think they're

  people who are really into chess they're

  into the abstract mathematical puzzle

  like routine like nature of chess

  I feel like the logo shouldn't be

  covered in all these gross people I feel

  like this is exactly the kind of thing

  the people who are into chess would not

  want in their logo I feel like they

  would want the Chess so yeah both of

  these are horrible one more horrible

  than the other but both no good it's

  supposed to be

  apparently sort of controversial and

  edgy like the host city which is London

  how is London and a controversial and

  edgy host city it's designed by shuka a

  Russian studio he can buy the poster for

  45 currencies I'm not sure what currency

  I'm looking at it cost 45 something's 45

  in traditional black and white the print

  is an excellent piece for a poster

  collection signed and hand printed on

  gallery stock level who's assigned by

  the designer and Gaston it's signed by

  the surgeon who's replaced your liver

  when you get the poster anyway it did

  catch my eye and I I just wanted to see

  what you thought of it I've got more

  design things for you to review in

  future episodes but we'll come to that

  later thumbs down on this one era that's

  pretty terrible okay Brady I have one

  piece of news to bring to the table as

  well this week and this is yet another

  YouTube kerfuffle yep

  good old YouTube always making sure to

  kick up a fuss in their own very special

  ways but the latest of these kerfuffles

  is that at some point last year YouTube

  introduced this concept that you would

  not be able to put advertisements on

  your YouTube channel until you had

  reached a certain minimum popularity

  threshold so it used to be that you

  could make a YouTube channel you could

  put up YouTube videos but you couldn't

  participate in the Adsense program until

  you had gotten 1,000 subscribers

  yeah and this kicked up a big fuss back

  at the time I feel like it was kind of

  fine for YouTube to do whatever but so

  now here we are and YouTube has turned

  up the dial

  their requirements here so now the big

  barrier that people have to pass is they

  need to have a total watch time of 4,000

  hours on their channel in the past

  twelve months so four thousand human

  hours have to have been burned on your

  YouTube channel before you are allowed

  to put YouTube ads on there without

  sounding like an idiot gray or sounding

  like I'm humble bragging cuz I'm not is

  that a lot

  I have no sort of sense as to that if

  that's so unreasonably high number or

  that's just like you know that's still

  pretty attainable for a solid channel

  that should be any money well this is

  part of it there's one little detail

  here before we get to that but it's just

  that the other thing that is different

  about this change versus the last change

  is that YouTube is also making it

  retroactive that previously channels had

  been grandfathered in if they were not

  under the limit but now YouTube has

  revoked monetization from channels that

  do not hit the 4,000 hour barrier and

  that has caused an enormous amount of

  discussion around YouTube and YouTube

  ruining smaller creators and spoiler

  alert I think all of these complaints

  are pointless and for nothing the answer

  to your question is like is 4,000 hours

  a lot there's like two answers to those

  questions is like four thousand hours is

  a lot for someone who's just making some

  random youtube channel and uploading

  videos to get like a normal person like

  pull a random person off the street and

  if you put a gun to their head and said

  you need to make a youtube channel it

  gets 4000 watch hours like that's

  actually a pretty hard task but if you

  even are remotely a channel that has any

  possibility of doing this in even the

  smallest professional way 4000 hours is

  a very very small barrier to cross

  yeah YouTube's back this up as well with

  some of the data they released where

  they talked about how something like

  ninety or ninety-five percent of all of

  the channels that could possibly affect

  this had earned

  over the entire course of their

  existence less than $100 in ad revenue

  which is the minimum that YouTube

  requires before they'll pay out any of

  the advertising revenue so it's like yes

  there were YouTube channels that were

  earning some money from YouTube that

  will no longer be able to do it after

  this change but when I was doing some

  back of the envelope calculations I mean

  we're talking about channels that were

  earning like two dollars a month or

  three dollars a month and the outpouring

  of rage over this has been enormous and

  I think it is entirely because YouTube

  made maybe a strategic error in taking

  away monetization from channels that

  already have it I feel like that is what

  kicked this up into a big fuss is there

  were a bunch of channels that were just

  under this barrier and then YouTube says

  like oh we're taking away your money and

  people flip out because they feel like

  but I'm looking at this report here that

  says in the past five years I've made

  $25 on YouTube YouTube is stealing from

  me my $25 and it's like I mean yeah in a

  sense they are but I'm not often I like

  a super friend of YouTube here but I

  feel like this is a big deal out of

  nothing and if YouTube wants to tighten

  up the rules about what channels can

  monetize fine I think it's fine to do I

  have had a lot of thoughts about this to

  grade and I read I actually read a lot

  of the online commenting about this from

  the people who are upset by and they

  made fair points one of the points is

  yeah okay I know it's only a few dollars

  but it's really motivating to me and

  also it makes me feel included and

  things like that that seems to be some

  of the main arguments I heard that yeah

  I'm not making a living yet but just

  seeing those two or three dollars you

  know when you're starting out makes a

  difference and also yeah this sort of

  discrimination and it's really hard for

  people like you and I to comment on it

  because you know we have quite big

  YouTube channels and therefore we're not

  affected by it so it's like oh it's easy

  for you to say but the thing I kept

  thinking about is if like if you're

  being I don't know maybe this is too

  altruistic sound

  naive of me but if you're being

  motivated by money at that early stage

  then I'm not sure how much hope I hold

  for you anyway a lot of the people who

  I'm friends with who've gone onto

  YouTube because they've thought oh you

  can make money on YouTube I never

  realized this was a business thing and

  have started channels to make money have

  always failed

  whereas people I know who've made

  YouTube channels for other reasons like

  you know they had something they wanted

  to say they wanted the creative process

  and they hoped to be successful or even

  like you know ego reasons and they liked

  seeing themselves on a screen those

  people tend to succeed more anyway and

  the thing I kept thinking about was when

  I started making YouTube videos

  I don't think monetization existed when

  I first started it wouldn't have yeah

  because I started later than you and it

  had just begun

  I remember getting an email or a message

  from YouTube saying do you want to sign

  up for this program where you can get

  money for your video is like a share of

  the ad content I honestly thought it was

  a joke I thought I thought it was a

  prank or a trap someone was trying to

  get my credit card details or something

  I'd been making videos for ages and

  getting a lot of pleasure from it and

  starting to have success and I didn't

  even think I could make money from I

  wasn't even thinking like that and I

  think it's really interesting the way

  there is a sense of entitlement from

  people I mean I don't love you to bother

  but they do create this amazing platform

  and opportunity for people to reach

  audiences and this technology to host

  all this video they do supply something

  and she's fair enough when you get

  bigger and you start making YouTube

  money you should get a cut of that pie

  but in the early stages when you're not

  actually making YouTube money and you're

  taking advantage of this fabulous

  opportunity where you could make money

  in the future and in the meantime you've

  got access to this platform I find it

  interesting how entitled these people

  sound like how dare you not let me have

  2 or 3 dollars like ok how would you

  feel if YouTube started charging you to

  use the platform I do hear the other

  side of the argument but I do think they

  sound a little bit entitled for such a

  small amount of money and if if you

  can't get to 4 thousand hours on that

  then and you're not going to make much

  money then

  I feel like you'll get rewarded if you

  could enough anyway I did think it was

  interesting that said I don't really

  care that much the thing I found more

  interesting was all the people debating

  what was going on and why were YouTube

  doing this and how little it was

  attached to the ad pocalypse like the

  link between this and the ad pocalypse

  seemed to be lost and i i heard all

  these debates and conversations and

  forums saying what are they doing why

  they're doing it it's so unfair I hardly

  heard people talking about that and I

  think it's entirely related to that yeah

  I assume it's related as well that what

  they previously had done they realized

  they hadn't quite set the threshold high

  enough yeah so they couldn't filter out

  these these channels with ten views that

  get screenshotted by The Times and then

  make them look stupid yeah and I suspect

  that because the previous threshold was

  based entirely on subscriber numbers

  that that was probably an easier thing

  for nefarious channels to fake than

  watch time is to just you know create a

  bunch of bots that just subscribe to a

  channel and now it's monetized YouTube

  is pretty on the ball for making sure

  that view numbers are as real as they

  can make sure that they are so I'm I

  imagine that faking watch time is a much

  harder thing to do for YouTube channels

  two points about what you originally

  said though is I do completely agree

  with you and I think that there is

  something that is invisible to many

  users which is the very idea that

  YouTube as particularly as a you know

  high-definition 4k video hosting

  platform the existence of users costs

  YouTube money it costs YouTube money in

  terms of maintenance and bandwidth and

  all of these other things that they have

  to do this is one of the reasons why

  YouTube has always struggled with

  profitability is because it's a site

  that is very different from other sites

  so like just the existence of the users

  does cost it something and I feel like

  people are not aware of that and so that

  it that is also partly why when someone

  says like oh I didn't get my $25 and

  YouTube is stealing it from us as Ike

  well the YouTube doesn't have the 100

  dollar threshold for no reason like

  there's all these other logistic

  problems that are there so it's a bit

  like yeah

  the promise of some money but you have

  to generate enough to make it worthwhile

  to even pay you and I think people don't

  quite understand that concept but I will

  disagree with you about the idea of the

  money motivation I thought you would

  yeah I thought you might suspect that I

  would but like I do have to say because

  when I started on YouTube as well when I

  first put up the first few videos that

  the monetization program did not exist

  and when it came around I got an email

  like a week after my UK video went up

  where at that point YouTube was simply

  trialing monetization and they were

  still doing it on an approved video

  basis so that video had gone in front of

  some human who then sent me an email

  saying would you like this video to be

  included in the monetization program and

  my later videos you know didn't get in

  front of a human to be monetized and so

  for the first while I was earning very

  very little money from YouTube but I

  will say that like I find the argument

  that it's motivating to see the money

  grow is compelling because I for sure

  know that that was the case with me and

  there is a way in which it's like oh I

  earned $5.00 this week like how can I

  crank that up to ten dollars and it is

  motivating to see that happen but my

  asterisk to that point though is I feel

  like the context in which I was

  originally doing that is very different

  whereas now everybody knows that YouTube

  is a platform where if you become

  popular you can earn money from it it's

  just a known thing whereas I feel like

  it was different from me when I was

  getting started because it was so much

  more uncertain like I didn't know

  anybody could make a living off of

  YouTube when I was trying to make those

  numbers go up so I feel like if someone

  is saying like oh the money is really

  motivating it's like but yes we all know

  that if you are popular on YouTube you

  can make money from I feel like knowing

  that chain

  is the play a little bit and so I'm

  again I'm a farm fine with you two

  putting in this 4,000 hour limit because

  people know that if they can get above

  that they can start earning some money

  like obviously I hear what you're saying

  great and like I know different people

  are motivated by different things but

  now that the money side of YouTube is

  such a known thing as you say everyone

  knows that if you get big you can earn

  money yeah I feel like there's already

  enough metrics and gamification of

  YouTube there in those early stages

  there are enough things that you can

  crank up and try to get beyond knowing

  that the money's coming like you're

  watching 100% I agree oh that's already

  there for people I agree with you that's

  why I'm saying I feel like it's

  different I feel like you don't need to

  see that you earned a couple of dollars

  this week because everybody understands

  now the concept of subscribers and the

  views and the watch that's a like you

  have enough things to work I mean you

  could have a watch time here's your

  countdown to monetization just 500 more

  hours of watch time and you can monetize

  yeah I completely agree I think that the

  money argument is the most compelling

  but I don't think it's compelling enough

  because of the concept of people can

  make a living on YouTube and people see

  that and I came across a thing which I

  feel like made me so sad with the world

  but it's also so obvious which was

  survey of kids in high school and like

  what do they want to be when they grow

  up and YouTube vlogger was the number

  one buy some astonishing margin and it's

  like it's not surprising but also made

  me hugely depressed and do you think

  it's really interesting that there

  exists now enough people on YouTube who

  are making a living at it who for

  essentially all of their teenage life

  they have grown up with the idea that

  this is a thing that people can do and

  they have set out very intentionally to

  do that so I feel like there's enough

  motivation in the world for people to

  try to do this kind of thing and the

  barrier that YouTube is putting up is

  not any kind of barrier if you are going

  to achieve

  any kind of financial success on YouTube

  the other thing that the people aren't

  realizing in my opinion is that this

  could be for their own good like if this

  is to mitigate some of the ad pocalypse

  problems of ads being served against

  content that you don't want to see ads

  next to because of such bad PR then this

  could save them I know that you've

  always had more of an attitude that the

  financial factors will win out and just

  advertisers wanting to advertise on

  online video because that's where the

  eyeballs are will always win out and the

  ad pocalypse maybe we shouldn't panic

  about but I'm getting more and more

  worried about it because the pressure

  that's being brought to bear is not just

  on advertisers now it's on legislators

  and politicians and we've got people

  like the prime ministers at Davos as

  we're recording at the moment and one of

  the things she's going to give a speech

  about is whether or not the UK should

  introduce legislation to do with content

  on YouTube and things like that and if

  laws introduced then like market forces

  aren't the only problem and if they make

  bad laws you know I think we're in a lot

  of peril at the moment yeah I'm unaware

  of them the politicians have been leaned

  on by all these newspaper articles and

  just to shut up the newspapers they're

  beginning to mumble about okay maybe

  we'll make laws when politicians make

  bad laws then you have got problems yeah

  laws are the opposite of markets in many

  ways but I feel like what happened with

  sort of ad pocalypse version 2 which was

  all the stuff around kid content like

  that's what kicked it off into

  politician Minds is who you know it

  always wins votes protecting children

  protecting children wins votes because

  who wants to be against protecting

  children I'm not aware of any of the

  political maneuvers but boy I do not

  like the sound of that one tiny bit and

  I agree that is vastly more of a concern

  about what does youtube look like in the

  future if the UK or other countries

  start introducing poorly thought out


  protective you know content laws and

  requirements around videos on the

  internet there big debate at the moment

  is whether or not YouTube should be

  regulated like television use and

  controls over what's allowed and not

  allowed at that more stringent level

  YouTube's like obviously lobbying

  against that but yeah I mean obviously I

  think it shouldn't be I presume that you

  would think that it shouldn't be

  although I don't want to speak on your


  no I think it's really dangerous I'm

  kind of curious though like as someone

  who has worked in TV like can you

  articulate why you think there's a

  difference between YouTube and TV

  because I mean I think someone can make

  the argument that's like well it all

  comes through your iPhone now and

  they're just apps and you know what's

  what's the difference now right like I

  think that's that's an argument that

  doesn't have an immediately obviously

  good answer as new

  like why is Netflix different from TV

  like well it comes over the internet

  it's like well your TV comes over the

  Internet's Netflix is probably more

  heavily regulated to then I don't know I

  feel like your Netflix is regulated in

  the sense that it is a gatekeeper that

  is producing and selecting content right

  whereas YouTube is the Wild West right I

  find a hard to give reasons I mean I can

  see why you can do it to TV and radio

  because they're using like public

  spectrum and they've licensed public

  spectrum and therefore I can see how

  you've got a toehold into saying we can

  regulate you because you're using

  something the public owns because the

  public owns the spectrum whereas no one

  owns the internet pipes yeah in terms of

  the rationale for I find difficult to

  answer yeah

  why can you upload something really

  offensive to YouTube but you can't

  broadcast on TV I find that hard to

  answer my personal answer to something

  like that would be that YouTube because

  it is individuals uploading stuff it's a

  lot closer to the end of people talking

  right it's like yeah humans talking and

  so if you say that this is oh we're

  going to regulate this like it's

  television well it would be kind of

  crazy to say oh the government is going

  to come in and going to regulate

  conversations between people and so I

  feel like that that's one of the things

  that is the difference

  is it's like if someone uploads of like

  a silly video to Facebook you wouldn't

  like oh but they have all the

  responsibilities that BBC you know

  Channel - yes it's just not the same

  thing because it's produced by an

  individual but I can see where many

  parents from their perspective it all

  might seem like oh it's just TV like

  it's all just shows and stuff and

  YouTube is just one channel like Netflix

  is one channel like anything else is one

  channel and then if that is the message

  that gets sent to politicians is like

  well time to regulate this stuff yeah

  that is not a good piece of news that

  you have brought to me Brady yeah maybe

  I think the other unfortunate thing

  about the timing of this YouTube thing

  was I think I just coincidentally had

  this proximity to this Logan poll

  controversy so people think it's very

  tied in with that mm I think it's not so

  tied in with that I think that logan

  poll thing was like a one-off incident

  but it was so high-profile that people

  are forgetting that the bigger problem

  is this more insidious long-term

  campaign being run by legacy media was

  the YouTube monetization I thought that

  was announced before the Logan Paul

  thing but maybe not maybe was announced

  after I don't know but I feel like I

  sort of they've all become a bit

  intertwined now and people have lost the

  thread a bit over where the root danger

  is yeah it just becomes a big mush in

  people's heads like oh there's problems

  on YouTube let's step in and try to fix

  the problems on YouTube I feel like

  there's mostly no problem but okay yeah

  well anyway I'm sorry if your channel

  lost monetization but I don't think it's

  a big I wish they hadn't done it to

  those people because they're good people

  and I want them to be happy but I think

  they're overly worried and if they're

  good enough and I hope they are good

  enough then they'll be fine in no time

  and and hopefully what's being done is

  for their greater good - and keeps the

  platform flush yeah I wish they hadn't

  done it I would be happy if YouTube did

  a more tiered system as part of their

  auction and they could say like Oh

  videos start out in the total wild west

  and if you want to bid on videos out

  there you totally can but we're you know

  we're making

  no claims at all about what that content

  is but obviously YouTube has decided not

  to go that direction so at least I'm

  sure we can know that from this point

  out it's all been sorted and it's going

  to be nothing but smooth sailing and

  clear communication from here on out

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  new series of black mirror out on

  Netflix and we've been asked lots and

  lots to to talk about it yeah I feel

  like we've we've somehow gotten

  ourselves on the black mirror hook and I

  don't know as a meta comment I feel very

  differently about it this year because

  like when we first talked about black

  mirror I feel like it was a relatively

  smaller show that was in the UK and now

  this time when I go to watch it like

  it's boom it's all over Netflix and they

  put up this big Netflix original banner

  which I never quite know what that means

  because it clearly shows the Netflix

  doesn't make they put under that but

  yeah I feel like black mirror has really

  exploded across the world and so we've

  gotten a ton of feedback about watching

  the episodes and yeah they do sometimes

  hit some hello Internet II themes I

  think they very often don't you yeah and

  so for this episode we didn't have time

  to watch all of them but we have watched

  the first episode of the fourth season

  which I'm forgetting the name it's USS

  was the name of the spaceship Callister

  or something yeah USS Callister let's

  just say that let's go with that I've

  watched it twice oh wow yeah I watched

  it three hours ago and I watched it and

  then my wife came home and said you

  should watch this and I showed it to her

  okay so we are we are about to talk

  about the first episode of the fourth


  so obviously spoilers starts right now

  so you've watched it twice Brady what do

  you think of a half I will say that I

  liked it quite a lot mm-hmm

  there was one gaping problem with it

  which I was willing to suspend and put

  to one side although was in my mind a

  lot I bet I can guess what there was

  okay yeah and there were two things

  I liked a lot about it and one thing

  that I liked about it and one thing I

  didn't like so much about in addition to

  the gaping hole but thumbs up I enjoyed

  watching her it was a good use of my

  time you go what do you think I'm gonna

  have a bit of a backup and like a meta

  commentary here for a moment because I

  get I haven't seen the rest of the

  season so I don't know what that is like

  but having watched this first episode I

  feel like there is one black mirror

  story and I think there's about three

  and then just keep recycling those three

  but there's one main one and the main

  one is the world is not as it seems you

  like you you are in a simulation or

  something along those lines you are in a

  simulation or you are not able to

  perceive the world directly as it is and

  we're getting a bunch of variations on

  that theme and I have to also say I feel

  like I'm okay with that I don't mind

  that but what I found myself thinking a

  lot was I was thinking of the hero's

  journey in movies famously Star Wars

  follows this and many other movies

  follow this same kind of story arc that

  happens over and over again where you

  have like a normal person and they go

  through phases with these romantic names

  it's like you're a normal person just

  living your life then there's an

  inciting incident there's the call to an

  adventure you as the main character

  refuse the adventure and there's all of

  these different steps and there are

  definitely times and I've been watching

  a movie where I realize like oh this is

  the hero's journey I know the beats that

  this story is going to take but if a

  movie does that well it doesn't really

  matter because you know human brains are

  such as they are so that they are

  structured to enjoy certain kinds of

  stories and that's fine it's not like

  everything has to be totally different

  because if you just explode in every

  possible direction that branching tree

  doesn't have interesting stories along

  every pop

  simple way all right there needs to be

  some kind of conflict some kind of

  resolution if you are writing a good

  story you are reincorporating earlier

  elements there's all of these very many

  things and I feel like maybe it started

  with the matrix as the first mainstream

  version of this but I do think in the

  modern world this story that you are in

  a simulated world is a kind of new

  fundamental story in the modern age and

  I feel like this is a story that you're

  going to see a million variations on in

  lots of different ways and what matters

  is was this variation done well it's not

  like oh here we go it's a simulation

  again you could go oh here we go it's a

  hero's journey again like I've seen this

  a thousand times like oh I bet that

  meant or introducing you to the new

  world is going to die in about the

  middle of act 2 right as like yeah this

  happens all the time because that's how

  these stories work and it's fine yeah so

  that's my medic commentary on it like

  there's one black mirror story but I'm

  okay with that and our black mirror

  episodes enjoyable I'm gonna say they're

  not really enjoyable yeah but it was it

  was a good episode but I feel like this

  one got a little bit shaky

  on the one black mirror story so I liked

  it it was effective in making me feel

  anxiety throughout the duration of

  watching which I feel like is what black

  mirror is going for was it their best

  the world is a simulation story not by a

  lot but I was glad to watch it like I

  felt like it was time well spent but

  there there are a few things that I feel

  like detracted from this episode cool

  okay so could do a brief set up and

  guess what your main problem is so okay

  the setup for this episode of black

  mirror is that it's the near future as

  all of these episodes are and there is a

  game company that's making a new version

  of their fancy multiplayer online


  and at this company the chief technical

  officer a very fat Matt Damon who's