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Roderick on the Line

Ep. 276: "The Authenticity Wars"

 

01:00:00   they're the strokes their songs all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:01   sound like the stroke you sure you write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3601">TS</a>]

01:00:03   the intro Interpol their songs all sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3603">TS</a>]

01:00:06   like and but wouldn't those songs come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3606">TS</a>]

01:00:16   on you're like hey that's got to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3616">TS</a>]

01:00:18   new Interpol song whereas the long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3618">TS</a>]

01:00:19   winter's music all sounds like who the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3619">TS</a>]

01:00:22   fuck knows right I mean the only thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:24   we don't have a ska song there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3624">TS</a>]

01:00:27   there's an everything it's an everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3627">TS</a>]

01:00:29   everything sound and that if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3629">TS</a>]

01:00:31   trying to make a band popular is a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3631">TS</a>]

01:00:34   strategy I mean the mountain goats every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3634">TS</a>]

01:00:36   song sounds like the mountain goats yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3636">TS</a>]

01:00:38   you're never gonna listen to a mountain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3638">TS</a>]

01:00:40   goat song and go wow is this like is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3640">TS</a>]

01:00:42   this some kind of orc pop is this the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3642">TS</a>]

01:00:47   Smashing Pumpkins so it's a it was a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3647">TS</a>]

01:00:54   what I never did and this is the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3654">TS</a>]

01:00:56   thing right I'd had a lot of these mixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3656">TS</a>]

01:00:59   ideas like I looked at somebody like Ted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3659">TS</a>]

01:01:02   Leo and I admired the fact that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3662">TS</a>]

01:01:04   stayed true to his school but my school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3664">TS</a>]

01:01:07   was touch her own hair my school was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3667">TS</a>]

01:01:12   be like sound like your influences it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3672">TS</a>]

01:01:19   was cut your own hair and so right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3679">TS</a>]

01:01:21   before every single photo shoot that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3681">TS</a>]

01:01:24   took I cut my own hair which means that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3684">TS</a>]

01:01:28   every photo of us I looked terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3688">TS</a>]

01:01:32   as I did it I thought that people would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3692">TS</a>]

01:01:36   look at the pictures and they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3696">TS</a>]

01:01:38   identify a kind of truth about me like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3698">TS</a>]

01:01:42   oh that guy is true but people don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3702">TS</a>]

01:01:45   look at it and say that they say why is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3705">TS</a>]

01:01:49   he did I mean why does he have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3709">TS</a>]

01:01:51   haircut yeah that's a terrible haircut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:54   and so what I thought I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3714">TS</a>]

01:01:57   communicating like I thought I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3717">TS</a>]

01:02:00   communicating in the song cinnamon this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3720">TS</a>]

01:02:01   whole story about the baader-meinhof [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:02   gang but I didn't give any evidence of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3722">TS</a>]

01:02:05   it right and so I'm cutting my own hair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3725">TS</a>]

01:02:07   before every photo shoot because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3727">TS</a>]

01:02:09   believe in the principle but the prints [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3729">TS</a>]

01:02:13   Paul does not convey see what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:17   saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3737">TS</a>]

01:02:18   people couldn't look at you and know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3738">TS</a>]

01:02:20   that you're a vegan no do you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3740">TS</a>]

01:02:22   similarly like there's something there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3742">TS</a>]

01:02:25   something in your cred or know that your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3745">TS</a>]

01:02:26   straightedge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3746">TS</a>]

01:02:27   they couldn't like look at you and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3747">TS</a>]

01:02:29   able to glean let you have a big ax on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3749">TS</a>]

01:02:30   your hand right well and the thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3750">TS</a>]

01:02:32   Ted is that he had a big V for vegan on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3752">TS</a>]

01:02:34   his shirt and he talked about it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3754">TS</a>]

01:02:36   every interview and what I had was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3756">TS</a>]

01:02:41   you know I had a suit like the Riddler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3761">TS</a>]

01:02:44   cover with question marks every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3764">TS</a>]

01:02:52   tour it was like this tour I'm wearing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3772">TS</a>]

01:02:54   striped tie and I look like I'm in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3774">TS</a>]

01:02:55   Decembrists and this tour I'm wearing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3775">TS</a>]

01:02:57   gold leotard top hats for everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3777">TS</a>]

01:03:00   I started out one tour at where I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3780">TS</a>]

01:03:02   like I'm just gonna wear this tracksuit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3782">TS</a>]

01:03:05   through the whole tool all three of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3785">TS</a>]

01:03:09   band mates were like when are you gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3789">TS</a>]

01:03:10   change out of your pajamas and I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3790">TS</a>]

01:03:13   it's very comfortable but like what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3793">TS</a>]

01:03:16   you know I looked like I was in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3796">TS</a>]

01:03:18   happy Monday so there was no consistency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3798">TS</a>]

01:03:23   and it was all it was all in my head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3803">TS</a>]

01:03:25   that I was doing something though that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3805">TS</a>]

01:03:28   people were gonna pick up on but what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3808">TS</a>]

01:03:31   was really doing was this like it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3811">TS</a>]

01:03:34   this eclecticism that all people picked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3814">TS</a>]

01:03:37   up on was wait is that the guy from LCD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3817">TS</a>]

01:03:40   Soundsystem except he is except he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3820">TS</a>]

01:03:44   wearing like loafers and a bowler like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3824">TS</a>]

01:03:47   that doesn't he's dressed like Clockwork [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3827">TS</a>]

01:03:49   Orange and it doesn't make any sense and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3829">TS</a>]

01:03:51   that and that's I think true in them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3831">TS</a>]

01:03:54   the songs too like I every song I just I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3834">TS</a>]

01:03:58   started completely fresh as like a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3838">TS</a>]

01:04:01   experiment which I thought was a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3841">TS</a>]

01:04:07   premise but when you listen to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3847">TS</a>]

01:04:09   records you're like to never know what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3849">TS</a>]

01:04:11   coming next what's coming next is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3851">TS</a>]

01:04:13   baseline gonna be played on a tambourine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3853">TS</a>]

01:04:14   like don't know so what from that is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3854">TS</a>]

01:04:25   be gleaned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3865">TS</a>]

01:04:27   because there's a lot of angles to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:29   yeah no no I mean if you're saying like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3869">TS</a>]

01:04:31   there's a lot of 1:1 angle is you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3871">TS</a>]

01:04:35   thought you were going for something and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3875">TS</a>]

01:04:37   it didn't come across another could be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3877">TS</a>]

01:04:40   lesson for the youths right about about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3880">TS</a>]

01:04:44   how to how to do your thing mm-hmm do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3884">TS</a>]

01:04:46   you feel that part of the success of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3886">TS</a>]

01:04:50   other bands is owed to the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3890">TS</a>]

01:04:52   they didn't do stuff like cut their hair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3892">TS</a>]

01:04:54   before a photo shoot they went and got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3894">TS</a>]

01:04:56   it professionally cut at great expense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3896">TS</a>]

01:04:58   and socially cut by a professional and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3898">TS</a>]

01:05:01   and told the person will you cut my hair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3901">TS</a>]

01:05:03   so that I look cool they probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3903">TS</a>]

01:05:05   brought in a picture of somebody and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3905">TS</a>]

01:05:08   said this can you make me look like Ron [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3908">TS</a>]

01:05:11   Wood in 1972 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3911">TS</a>]

01:05:13   sure and you know and I was sitting in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3913">TS</a>]

01:05:16   the mirror going hmm that's not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3916">TS</a>]

01:05:19   maybe I should cut up the other side a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3919">TS</a>]

01:05:21   little bit oh it's not even again maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3921">TS</a>]

01:05:24   I should cut it up the other side a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3924">TS</a>]

01:05:26   little bit and then pretty soon you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3926">TS</a>]

01:05:28   like I look I look like a like a girl in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3928">TS</a>]

01:05:32   college who's experimenting I always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3932">TS</a>]

01:05:39   wondered what would happen I look back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3939">TS</a>]

01:05:41   sometimes I wonder if in when I was 16 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3941">TS</a>]

01:05:44   if I had just bought a leather jacket a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3944">TS</a>]

01:05:47   good one that fit me and it had just won [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3947">TS</a>]

01:05:50   that leather jacket all that like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3950">TS</a>]

01:05:52   would be your thing I had that leather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3952">TS</a>]

01:05:54   jacket how was that guy that had that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3954">TS</a>]

01:05:56   leather jacket that the lot it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3956">TS</a>]

01:06:00   have just solved a lot of problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3960">TS</a>]

01:06:01   between the age of 16 and 26 yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3961">TS</a>]

01:06:04   because you wouldn't have to think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3964">TS</a>]

01:06:06   it you just wear that jacket oh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3966">TS</a>]

01:06:09   could be like I'm thinking like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3969">TS</a>]

01:06:10   college people show up for college and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3970">TS</a>]

01:06:12   they became they become known for their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3972">TS</a>]

01:06:13   one thing like it could be skateboards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3973">TS</a>]

01:06:16   Scott or you know it could be a Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3976">TS</a>]

01:06:19   poor or snake Amy I've told you about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3979">TS</a>]

01:06:20   something game either different Amy's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3980">TS</a>]

01:06:22   and in the caning of things there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3982">TS</a>]

01:06:23   like snake Amy she's gonna have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3983">TS</a>]

01:06:24   snake she had a pet snake she would can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3984">TS</a>]

01:06:26   carry around with her right and so I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3986">TS</a>]

01:06:28   then in this case the leather jacket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3988">TS</a>]

01:06:29   would be your snake and if you picked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3989">TS</a>]

01:06:32   hardcore as your sound like hardcore is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3992">TS</a>]

01:06:37   well it's right in the name it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3997">TS</a>]

01:06:39   hardcore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3999">TS</a>]

01:06:40   right so it's all hand on there and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4000">TS</a>]

01:06:42   and the sound of hardcore is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4002">TS</a>]

01:06:44   distinctive and you can learn it and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4004">TS</a>]

01:06:48   then you are if you stick in the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4008">TS</a>]

01:06:51   that we're describing if you stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4011">TS</a>]

01:06:53   around long enough in hardcore you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4013">TS</a>]

01:06:56   become part of hardcore you're no longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4016">TS</a>]

01:06:59   just some aspirant you are part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4019">TS</a>]

01:07:02   hardcore and once you become part of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4022">TS</a>]

01:07:04   then what you did when you were young is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4024">TS</a>]

01:07:06   now part of the history of hardcore no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4026">TS</a>]

01:07:09   you were there you were in the trenches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4029">TS</a>]

01:07:11   that's right and you got stories to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4031">TS</a>]

01:07:14   you got stories and at the time there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4034">TS</a>]

01:07:16   were bigger bands than you you were just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4036">TS</a>]

01:07:17   like you know just gutting it out but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4037">TS</a>]

01:07:20   now when those bands go away and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4040">TS</a>]

01:07:22   still around now you kind of have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4042">TS</a>]

01:07:25   written the history of hardcore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4045">TS</a>]

01:07:26   something's right and the victors write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4046">TS</a>]

01:07:32   the history mm-hmm but if you start out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4052">TS</a>]

01:07:36   and you're just like I'm just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4056">TS</a>]

01:07:38   I'm just like Oh our band is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4058">TS</a>]

01:07:41   different we're on our own we're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4061">TS</a>]

01:07:43   our own thing and you don't invent a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4063">TS</a>]

01:07:46   genre which is very hard very very hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4066">TS</a>]

01:07:49   to do mm-hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4069">TS</a>]

01:07:51   when people look back they're like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4071">TS</a>]

01:07:53   you weren't really part of any scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4073">TS</a>]

01:07:55   back then so it's not like you rewrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4075">TS</a>]

01:07:57   the history of that scene you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4077">TS</a>]

01:08:00   floundered it the whole time and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4080">TS</a>]

01:08:03   kind of clamored up on to whatever like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4083">TS</a>]

01:08:07   raft you managed to get on grace and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4087">TS</a>]

01:08:10   then the raft went over the falls this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4090">TS</a>]

01:08:12   is like what people I mean you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4092">TS</a>]

01:08:13   don't want to cast aspersions but as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4093">TS</a>]

01:08:15   and I both know there's a handful of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4095">TS</a>]

01:08:17   characters who keep reappearing in every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4097">TS</a>]

01:08:21   music documentary oh yeah right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4101">TS</a>]

01:08:25   Klosterman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4105">TS</a>]

01:08:26   role he's they're never you get Dave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4106">TS</a>]

01:08:28   Grohl you get thirst and more or like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4108">TS</a>]

01:08:30   this like we're still talking to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4110">TS</a>]

01:08:32   Moody Blues an awful lot these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4112">TS</a>]

01:08:34   things to tell people you know people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4114">TS</a>]

01:08:37   feel very strongly about the Moody Blues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4117">TS</a>]

01:08:39   I don't understand that maybe I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4119">TS</a>]

01:08:41   don't know I maybe I'm just not deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4121">TS</a>]

01:08:43   enough into their catalogue I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4123">TS</a>]

01:08:45   think they have a deep catalogue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4125">TS</a>]

01:08:46   but on the scene I'll sit around I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4126">TS</a>]

01:08:48   sit around and and I'll watch me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4128">TS</a>]

01:08:54   Genesis concert from 1972 that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4134">TS</a>]

01:08:56   the thing I'll do I'll just sit there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4136">TS</a>]

01:08:57   and watch a low-resolution like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4137">TS</a>]

01:09:00   something from like like I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4140">TS</a>]

01:09:01   something around nursery crime or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4141">TS</a>]

01:09:02   Foxtrot and I'll just watch I'll just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4142">TS</a>]

01:09:04   watch the fucking Genesis concert magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4144">TS</a>]

01:09:06   it's it's so weird and so good they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4146">TS</a>]

01:09:10   such a good band and most people just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4150">TS</a>]

01:09:12   look I think it was like I dressed as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4152">TS</a>]

01:09:14   flower but like they really brought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4154">TS</a>]

01:09:16   they brought it and they toured the shit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4156">TS</a>]

01:09:17   out of it and they were just I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4157">TS</a>]

01:09:19   don't know what your feelings are about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4159">TS</a>]

01:09:20   Genesis but like still Collins was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4160">TS</a>]

01:09:22   really good drummer and a really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4162">TS</a>]

01:09:23   singer and you know and Steve Hackett [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4163">TS</a>]

01:09:26   that plays that guitar like ringing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4166">TS</a>]

01:09:27   bell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4167">TS</a>]

01:09:28   yeah like Moody Blues I don't find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4168">TS</a>]

01:09:30   myself watching Moody Blues concerts is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4170">TS</a>]

01:09:32   that bad on me should I be like a gentle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4172">TS</a>]

01:09:33   giant should I be expanding my catalogue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4173">TS</a>]

01:09:35   more by the way I think I'm more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4175">TS</a>]

01:09:38   familiar with gentle giant I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4178">TS</a>]

01:09:39   probably 2 or 3 moody blues songs but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4179">TS</a>]

01:09:41   think I'm probably more familiar with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4181">TS</a>]

01:09:43   gentle giant isn't Pam you'll figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4183">TS</a>]

01:09:44   that out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4184">TS</a>]

01:09:45   I feel like Moody Blues I am somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4185">TS</a>]

01:09:48   who cannot be mad at the Moody Blues in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4188">TS</a>]

01:09:57   the same way that I still live written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4197">TS</a>]

01:10:00   never meaning to send yeah I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4200">TS</a>]

01:10:03   listen to Richard Harris sing about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4203">TS</a>]

01:10:05   he left his cake out in the rain oh sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4205">TS</a>]

01:10:07   and so again that's a good performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4207">TS</a>]

01:10:13   that's a pretty good performance it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4213">TS</a>]

01:10:15   great you know I mean I'll listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4215">TS</a>]

01:10:17   Mannheim Steamroller Christmas every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4217">TS</a>]

01:10:19   year not because I want to but because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4219">TS</a>]

01:10:21   my sister insists that says heavy metal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4221">TS</a>]

01:10:25   Christmas stuff now who's that I don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4225">TS</a>]

01:10:27   don't want to hear that Christmas songs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4227">TS</a>]

01:10:29   I have he's a transect burying railroad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4229">TS</a>]

01:10:32   it might be heavy metal Christmas I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4232">TS</a>]

01:10:34   wouldn't follow that I wouldn't it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4234">TS</a>]

01:10:41   excruciating but you know what Moody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4241">TS</a>]

01:10:43   Blues was was they were like they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4243">TS</a>]

01:10:46   like the guys following Pink Floyd and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4246">TS</a>]

01:10:48   they were they were taking in Floyd and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4248">TS</a>]

01:10:50   they were making it a little bit more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4250">TS</a>]

01:10:52   palatable and I'm not I don't disagree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4252">TS</a>]

01:10:53   with that I'm not argue with them but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4253">TS</a>]

01:10:55   therapy lot there's a lot of anger at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4255">TS</a>]

01:10:57   people or at Moody Blues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4257">TS</a>]

01:11:00   and and I don't you know it's sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4260">TS</a>]

01:11:02   like y-yeah no no no no don't get me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4262">TS</a>]

01:11:06   wrong I don't mean to be slacking off on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4266">TS</a>]

01:11:07   no MIDI please I'm not familiar enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4267">TS</a>]

01:11:09   to know but but that's so now what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4269">TS</a>]

01:11:12   thinking of god I can't believe I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4272">TS</a>]

01:11:14   saying this on the show do you ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4274">TS</a>]

01:11:15   watch the television show Portlandia say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4275">TS</a>]

01:11:20   no there's a recent episode wait a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4280">TS</a>]

01:11:23   minute I I love to go watch Portlandia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4283">TS</a>]

01:11:28   sketches yes online and partly it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4288">TS</a>]

01:11:32   because I have very very good feelings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4292">TS</a>]

01:11:35   about Fred Armisen yeah I don't want too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4295">TS</a>]

01:11:37   much but yeah he's he's very he's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4297">TS</a>]

01:11:39   talented and his eyes alone are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4299">TS</a>]

01:11:41   very funny we are currently in geing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4301">TS</a>]

01:11:43   this program at our house he sent me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4303">TS</a>]

01:11:45   very nice email one time and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4305">TS</a>]

01:11:48   apropos of nothing based on his own just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4308">TS</a>]

01:11:51   generous nests and and I so about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4311">TS</a>]

01:11:55   management uh-uh no just like just out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4315">TS</a>]

01:12:00   not out of the blue but he was you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4320">TS</a>]

01:12:03   he he felt he felt at that time that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4323">TS</a>]

01:12:07   could use or not no no I don't think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4327">TS</a>]

01:12:09   even thought that way he just became [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4329">TS</a>]

01:12:11   aware of me and wanted to send me an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4331">TS</a>]

01:12:13   email that's the best kind of message to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4333">TS</a>]

01:12:16   receive . that is the best message it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4336">TS</a>]

01:12:19   was basically like he turned a corner he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4339">TS</a>]

01:12:21   bumped into me and he said yay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4341">TS</a>]

01:12:22   you know what you're too big for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4342">TS</a>]

01:12:23   town like he gave me a little he gave me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4343">TS</a>]

01:12:26   just a little like hey i became aware of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4346">TS</a>]

01:12:28   you and i just wanted to say i really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4348">TS</a>]

01:12:29   like what I just like your thing and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4349">TS</a>]

01:12:33   I don't want to hear any bad things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4353">TS</a>]

01:12:35   then in my shirt you look weird oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4355">TS</a>]

01:12:37   - there's two main street performers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4357">TS</a>]

01:12:39   that I can think of that and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4359">TS</a>]

01:12:42   neither of these as anything too obscure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4362">TS</a>]

01:12:45   but there are two people where I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4365">TS</a>]

01:12:47   look at them and I just start laughing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4367">TS</a>]

01:12:49   I'm gonna be honest with you Will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4369">TS</a>]

01:12:52   Ferrell he is just naturally very funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4372">TS</a>]

01:12:53   Will Ferrell and a Fred Armisen they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4373">TS</a>]

01:12:55   both have very funny eyes but like even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4375">TS</a>]

01:12:58   before they're doing anything their eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4378">TS</a>]

01:12:59   are just funny I have never gotten into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4379">TS</a>]

01:13:02   wolf bear it's totally understandable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4382">TS</a>]

01:13:03   totally understand at the heart of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4383">TS</a>]

01:13:05   will Ferrell is a weirdo yes that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4385">TS</a>]

01:13:08   great part like he he gets known for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4388">TS</a>]

01:13:09   these bits in the cowbell and whatnot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4389">TS</a>]

01:13:11   but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4391">TS</a>]

01:13:12   the only reason I mentioned this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4392">TS</a>]

01:13:14   their I don't know why I'm telling you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4394">TS</a>]

01:13:15   this I should cut this out but two or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4395">TS</a>]

01:13:17   three episodes ago on Portlandia there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4397">TS</a>]

01:13:19   a character running character on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4399">TS</a>]

01:13:20   show named spike who's like the punk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4400">TS</a>]

01:13:21   rock guy who's in his you know 50s and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4401">TS</a>]

01:13:24   spike decides it's time it's time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4404">TS</a>]

01:13:25   speak truth to power it's time to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4405">TS</a>]

01:13:26   his old band riot spray back together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4406">TS</a>]

01:13:29   and we know he's like this he's this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4409">TS</a>]

01:13:32   know crusty punk rocker and it's a riot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4412">TS</a>]

01:13:34   spray it turns out this is so great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4414">TS</a>]

01:13:37   it's Henry Rollins from like he looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4417">TS</a>]

01:13:48   like a guy you would just see at Whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4428">TS</a>]

01:13:50   Foods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4430">TS</a>]

01:13:50   he's he's a you know he's a painted man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4430">TS</a>]

01:13:57   does he just kind of look like a guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4437">TS</a>]

01:13:59   you'd see at Whole Foods well so Chris [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4439">TS</a>]

01:14:02   moved to the most rural place in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4442">TS</a>]

01:14:06   Washington in in western Washington I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4446">TS</a>]

01:14:09   should say there are rural places in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4449">TS</a>]

01:14:10   Eastern Washington that are very rural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4450">TS</a>]

01:14:13   you can get out there where you come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4453">TS</a>]

01:14:15   over the come over the rise and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4455">TS</a>]

01:14:17   a happen abandoned houses like Second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4457">TS</a>]

01:14:20   Amendment country it's it's yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4460">TS</a>]

01:14:22   what it's uh it's the high plains but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4462">TS</a>]

01:14:25   in the west of Washington there are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4465">TS</a>]

01:14:28   lot of places where it just rains all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4468">TS</a>]

01:14:31   the time and the main the main cash crop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4471">TS</a>]

01:14:36   is cranberries and there are a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4476">TS</a>]

01:14:39   fishermen that are the kind of fishermen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4479">TS</a>]

01:14:43   that just every time they go out they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4483">TS</a>]

01:14:46   may not come back you know the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4486">TS</a>]

01:14:48   Deadliest Catch they're though they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4488">TS</a>]

01:14:50   the real crazy ones the ones whose eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4490">TS</a>]

01:14:52   are permanently squinty and the wind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4492">TS</a>]

01:14:55   blows all the time and there are there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4495">TS</a>]

01:14:57   shellfish people and they're very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4497">TS</a>]

01:15:00   shellfish but he moved down there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4500">TS</a>]

01:15:10   bought some land and I know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4510">TS</a>]

01:15:13   territory pretty well and I can only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4513">TS</a>]

01:15:15   imagine even if you buy the hillsides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4515">TS</a>]

01:15:17   like the ground is always soggy right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4517">TS</a>]

01:15:21   you can never you never really standing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4521">TS</a>]

01:15:23   on hard ground you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4523">TS</a>]

01:15:25   really I bet you really gotta want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4525">TS</a>]

01:15:26   live there well but but it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4526">TS</a>]

01:15:28   where he grew up like out in Aberdeen it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4528">TS</a>]

01:15:30   this is this the same country okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4530">TS</a>]

01:15:32   Aberdeen's were Nirvana started right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4532">TS</a>]

01:15:34   yeah then there's no there's no economy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4534">TS</a>]

01:15:37   I mean there used to be logging but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4537">TS</a>]

01:15:39   that's mostly gone and he got so two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4539">TS</a>]

01:15:43   things that he did that I think are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4543">TS</a>]

01:15:44   great one he got his private pilot's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4544">TS</a>]

01:15:46   license that's cool so every time he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4546">TS</a>]

01:15:49   goes I approve of that as an aging rock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4549">TS</a>]

01:15:52   star thing I approve of the pilot's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4552">TS</a>]

01:15:53   license yeah it's great but I mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4553">TS</a>]

01:15:55   not like he has like a Learjet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4555">TS</a>]

01:15:56   he drives a little you know a Cessna 172 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4556">TS</a>]

01:15:58   like me and he when he comes to Seattle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4558">TS</a>]

01:16:04   he flies he flies himself up there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4564">TS</a>]

01:16:06   it's typical it's great but the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4566">TS</a>]

01:16:09   thing he did was he got himself elected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4569">TS</a>]

01:16:11   to the Grange the local like agriculture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4571">TS</a>]

01:16:17   board which is cowboy Congress yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4577">TS</a>]

01:16:22   effectively like the government for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4582">TS</a>]

01:16:24   region but all it is is they all get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4584">TS</a>]

01:16:25   together in like a hall and argue about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4585">TS</a>]

01:16:29   cranberries but he's like active in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4589">TS</a>]

01:16:33   super local politics like the the local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4593">TS</a>]

01:16:37   politics of this crazy little like way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4597">TS</a>]

01:16:42   west super Lewis & Clark outpost out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4602">TS</a>]

01:16:46   there when I was running for City [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4606">TS</a>]

01:16:48   Council he and I talked every week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4608">TS</a>]

01:16:50   because he was really interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4610">TS</a>]

01:16:53   Seattle politics and he really wanted he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4613">TS</a>]

01:16:58   really wanted to help me and he really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4618">TS</a>]

01:17:00   wanted to make sure that I had my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4620">TS</a>]

01:17:03   platform straight and 90 percent of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4623">TS</a>]

01:17:07   the advice he gave me and the stuff he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4627">TS</a>]

01:17:09   wanted to talk about was like dead-on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4629">TS</a>]

01:17:12   all I always bring cupcakes that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4632">TS</a>]

01:17:15   thing well and just like you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4635">TS</a>]

01:17:17   need to like I'm kidding but he knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4637">TS</a>]

01:17:19   where he speaks here because he's dealt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4639">TS</a>]

01:17:21   with ornery characters in a in a small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4641">TS</a>]

01:17:24   town well and people tried to get him to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4644">TS</a>]

01:17:26   there was a brief moment where he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4646">TS</a>]

01:17:29   put up to run for a national office I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4649">TS</a>]

01:17:35   think either either senator maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4655">TS</a>]

01:17:38   governor I forget what it was but he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4658">TS</a>]

01:17:41   he was proposed as a politician himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4661">TS</a>]

01:17:46   and I think he got into the race and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4666">TS</a>]

01:17:50   first press conference he had somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4670">TS</a>]

01:17:51   was like so when Kurt Cobain died of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4671">TS</a>]

01:17:53   heroin did that affect your and he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4673">TS</a>]

01:17:56   like get me out of here yeah and so he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4676">TS</a>]

01:17:59   said that's not for me that world is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4679">TS</a>]

01:18:01   where I want to be but you know right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4681">TS</a>]

01:18:05   there that's a pretty good example I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4685">TS</a>]

01:18:07   talking about before yeah I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4687">TS</a>]

01:18:09   kind of walked that path a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4689">TS</a>]

01:18:11   too whereas like I have a real clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4691">TS</a>]

01:18:12   idea of what I could do once I'm in here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4692">TS</a>]

01:18:14   to help this stuff out but boy yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4694">TS</a>]

01:18:15   didn't fight about you you're the poster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4695">TS</a>]

01:18:17   boy for that yeah the whole like oh if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4697">TS</a>]

01:18:19   you don't love this grind doesn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4699">TS</a>]

01:18:21   if you're good at the job and like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4701">TS</a>]

01:18:23   said at the time I think you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4703">TS</a>]

01:18:25   like to be a good city council person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4705">TS</a>]

01:18:27   and to be good at running for City [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4707">TS</a>]

01:18:29   Council are two totally different jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4709">TS</a>]

01:18:31   and you have to be good at both but to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4711">TS</a>]

01:18:34   get elected all you have to be good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4714">TS</a>]

01:18:35   is the running part and then once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4715">TS</a>]

01:18:38   get in is when people decide or discover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4718">TS</a>]

01:18:41   whether or not you're good at the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4721">TS</a>]

01:18:43   part they just concentrate on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4723">TS</a>]

01:18:44   Grafton greed there as there are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4724">TS</a>]

01:18:46   couple of people on the Seattle City [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4726">TS</a>]

01:18:48   Council that we're running when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4728">TS</a>]

01:18:49   running and one in particular I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4729">TS</a>]

01:18:52   who ran and won and then is now on there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4732">TS</a>]

01:18:56   and I think that I don't know if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4736">TS</a>]

01:18:58   the consensus yet but I think it's clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4738">TS</a>]

01:19:00   like oh not as good at it and might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4740">TS</a>]

01:19:05   been the revolution is not the same as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4745">TS</a>]

01:19:09   running the Banana Republic right ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4749">TS</a>]

01:19:12   percent of the advice that Chris gave me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4752">TS</a>]

01:19:14   was about cranberry farming which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4754">TS</a>]

01:19:16   not useful in running for office in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4756">TS</a>]

01:19:19   Seattle did he sound wise he just had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4759">TS</a>]

01:19:22   some stuff that he wanted to make sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4762">TS</a>]

01:19:23   was on my agenda we don't do as much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4763">TS</a>]

01:19:30   cranberry stuff out here as you guys do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4770">TS</a>]

01:19:33   down there it was not it was not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4773">TS</a>]

01:19:41   problem because the rest of it advice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4781">TS</a>]

01:19:42   was so good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4782">TS</a>]

01:19:44   but yeah he is a he is a very very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4784">TS</a>]

01:19:48   unusual man and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4788">TS</a>]

01:19:50   you know like wonderful wonderful I told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4790">TS</a>]

01:19:53   you about the event and where Duff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4793">TS</a>]

01:19:55   McKagan asked him to come interview him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4795">TS</a>]

01:19:58   for the release of Duff's book mm-hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4798">TS</a>]

01:20:00   and they showed up and her husband on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4800">TS</a>]

01:20:03   Portlandia I bet he has was the st. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4803">TS</a>]

01:20:06   Vincent one time it's been suggested or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4806">TS</a>]

01:20:08   it's been asked why I was never on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4808">TS</a>]

01:20:10   Portlandia but you know what I didn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4810">TS</a>]

01:20:13   I didn't network I didn't write Fred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4813">TS</a>]

01:20:15   Armisen back man hey what's up just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4815">TS</a>]

01:20:18   checking in hey man did I wrote it back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4818">TS</a>]

01:20:22   and I said thank you so much for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4822">TS</a>]

01:20:23   kind letter and he said no problem and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4823">TS</a>]

01:20:26   then I was like well I don't anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4826">TS</a>]

01:20:28   else to say to him I know I know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4828">TS</a>]

01:20:30   not the worst we could write it back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4830">TS</a>]

01:20:31   say like I love your your eyes I almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4831">TS</a>]

01:20:34   I almost wrote the McElroy's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4834">TS</a>]

01:20:35   morning just to compliment them on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4835">TS</a>]

01:20:37   Casper add read and then it's like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4837">TS</a>]

01:20:39   know what they don't need that no but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4839">TS</a>]

01:20:40   you know what they love hearing from you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4840">TS</a>]

01:20:42   because they really admire you I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4842">TS</a>]

01:20:44   admire them but I thought you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4844">TS</a>]

01:20:45   I shouldn't do that cuz when you when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4845">TS</a>]

01:20:47   you contact somebody you make it about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4847">TS</a>]

01:20:48   you unless you're somebody like a Fred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4848">TS</a>]

01:20:50   Armisen who makes about the other person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4850">TS</a>]

01:20:51   that's a nice thing you should write it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4851">TS</a>]

01:20:53   you should write to Reggie Watts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4853">TS</a>]

01:20:58   I've made all the compliments to Reggie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4858">TS</a>]

01:21:01   that that our relationship needs for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4861">TS</a>]

01:21:08   rest of your relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4868">TS</a>]

01:21:09   well maybe not maybe we'll do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4869">TS</a>]

01:21:11   together and I'll be like that was great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4871">TS</a>]

01:21:13   Reggie mm-hmm but to write him now would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4873">TS</a>]

01:21:16   be he would get the email and he'd be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4876">TS</a>]

01:21:18   like I want what he was like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4878">TS</a>]

01:21:22   right Fred Armisen now and say hey yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4882">TS</a>]

01:21:25   I mean I think I think the seasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4885">TS</a>]

01:21:27   already done yeah yeah I know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4887">TS</a>]

01:21:29   done they heard an interview with Carey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4889">TS</a>]

01:21:30   yeah that's all over too late for me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4890">TS</a>]

01:21:32   be on Portlandia just as it's too late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4892">TS</a>]

01:21:34   for me to be on a lot of things oh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4894">TS</a>]

01:21:41   should have although you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4901">TS</a>]

01:21:43   remember it wasn't very long ago when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4903">TS</a>]

01:21:45   was saying I've never won an award Yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4905">TS</a>]

01:21:48   right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4908">TS</a>]

01:21:48   yeah I mean it's kind of it's long I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4908">TS</a>]

01:21:51   going lament for you is he's never gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4911">TS</a>]

01:21:53   one knows it always struck me that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4913">TS</a>]

01:21:55   wasn't that you felt like maybe I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4915">TS</a>]

01:21:57   getting this wrong but it wasn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4917">TS</a>]

01:21:58   precisely that you felt like you were do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4918">TS</a>]

01:22:01   an award for a given thing but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4921">TS</a>]

01:22:03   bigger subsets of like what the fuck of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4923">TS</a>]

01:22:05   I know gotten award well or like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4925">TS</a>]

01:22:07   right well what would the award be but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4927">TS</a>]

01:22:09   it seems like everybody's got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4929">TS</a>]

01:22:11   everything gets Awards people get awards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4931">TS</a>]

01:22:13   right in lap you can get a webby you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4933">TS</a>]

01:22:15   know I mean they're just giving this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4935">TS</a>]

01:22:16   shit away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4936">TS</a>]

01:22:16   so I'm sitting at home dude to do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4936">TS</a>]

01:22:19   doing and the Grammys were on and I knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4939">TS</a>]

01:22:22   it and so I was avoiding all media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4942">TS</a>]

01:22:24   because who wants that who wants to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4944">TS</a>]

01:22:28   watching those I'm even on the Grammy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4948">TS</a>]

01:22:30   Board I vote in the Grammys but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4950">TS</a>]

01:22:32   want to watch the show no no thanks but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4952">TS</a>]

01:22:35   then I get a tweet or wait a minute no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4955">TS</a>]

01:22:42   yeah well hmm maybe I got a letter from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4962">TS</a>]

01:22:45   somebody I got a letter from somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4965">TS</a>]

01:22:49   and maybe it was a me her so I anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4969">TS</a>]

01:22:54   very same she's in on Portlandia yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4974">TS</a>]

01:22:56   know she was in was there other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4976">TS</a>]

01:22:58   housekeeper she was great she was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4978">TS</a>]

01:23:00   I've seen that episode but I guess all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4980">TS</a>]

01:23:03   of a sudden I'm texting with with Amy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4983">TS</a>]

01:23:05   and she won the Grammy for Best folk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4985">TS</a>]

01:23:09   album really that's amazing yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4989">TS</a>]

01:23:13   yeah well I wouldn't have ever thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4993">TS</a>]

01:23:14   of her as good artist Yeah right right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4994">TS</a>]

01:23:18   like what is a force yes some of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4998">TS</a>]

01:23:21   categories are a little bit longer the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5001">TS</a>]

01:23:22   tooth but you know but so here she is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5002">TS</a>]

01:23:24   best folk album and I realized as we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5004">TS</a>]

01:23:28   texting back and forth wait a minute I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5008">TS</a>]

01:23:31   wrote a song on that album oh oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5011">TS</a>]

01:23:33   and so this isn't an example engraved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5013">TS</a>]

01:23:37   somewhere well this is what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5017">TS</a>]

01:23:39   wondering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5019">TS</a>]

01:23:40   mm-hmm because it's not an example of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5020">TS</a>]

01:23:41   Amy's album winning best packaging which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5021">TS</a>]

01:23:46   is there for the music for the folks it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5026">TS</a>]

01:23:48   look nice it's there for the music and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5028">TS</a>]

01:23:50   so I did not say to Amy where's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5030">TS</a>]

01:23:55   parade I contacted my people in at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5035">TS</a>]

01:24:03   Grammys and said asking for a friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5043">TS</a>]

01:24:07   if hypothetically a the record wins a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5047">TS</a>]

01:24:12   Grammy and you had a Grammy for Best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5052">TS</a>]

01:24:17   in Category and your friend has written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5057">TS</a>]

01:24:21   a song on that record what's the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5061">TS</a>]

01:24:26   with that yeah I work I know that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5066">TS</a>]

01:24:28   don't get one of the little gramophones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5068">TS</a>]

01:24:30   one of the gold gramophones but is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5070">TS</a>]

01:24:34   something and they came back and said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5074">TS</a>]

01:24:37   yes you get a very nice from suitable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5077">TS</a>]

01:24:40   for framing gold embossed certificates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5080">TS</a>]

01:24:43   it says I won or I wrote a song on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5083">TS</a>]

01:24:46   Grammy winning album the devil you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5086">TS</a>]

01:24:48   and so all of a sudden it's not quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5088">TS</a>]

01:24:51   that I won exactly something no no it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5091">TS</a>]

01:24:55   worse but I did get a certificate mental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5095">TS</a>]

01:24:59   illness a me man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5099">TS</a>]

01:25:00   best folk album yeah she beat out Laura [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5100">TS</a>]

01:25:04   Marling off of recs the secret sisters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5104">TS</a>]

01:25:07   and Cat Stevens and Cat Stevens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5107">TS</a>]

01:25:11   he's called youssef slash Cat Stevens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5111">TS</a>]

01:25:13   Kapow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5113">TS</a>]

01:25:15   yeah the Laughing Apple is albums called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5115">TS</a>]

01:25:17   so anyway certificate and then I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5117">TS</a>]

01:25:21   like well and the thing is Jonathan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5121">TS</a>]

01:25:24   Coulton wrote a couple of songs on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5124">TS</a>]

01:25:25   record too so he's gonna get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5125">TS</a>]

01:25:26   certificate it's a little off it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5126">TS</a>]

01:25:28   it doesn't kind of tarnish his shit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5128">TS</a>]

01:25:30   and he actually his record was nominated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5130">TS</a>]

01:25:33   for wait for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5133">TS</a>]

01:25:34   best packaging always good packaging and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5134">TS</a>]

01:25:37   he lost my comic book from a fraction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5137">TS</a>]

01:25:40   comic book I think so he's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5140">TS</a>]

01:25:44   gonna get another certificate because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5144">TS</a>]

01:25:46   you get a certificate that says I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5146">TS</a>]

01:25:48   nominated for a Grammy Award so if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5148">TS</a>]

01:25:51   know once again like his wall of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5151">TS</a>]

01:25:53   diplomas is much better than mine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5153">TS</a>]

01:25:57   see that makes it all so much worse he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5157">TS</a>]

01:25:59   might even get nominated for a Tony [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5159">TS</a>]

01:26:00   because he because he wrote some songs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5160">TS</a>]

01:26:05   on the new spongebob musical Oh jiminy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5165">TS</a>]

01:26:09   but wait wait but that's neither here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5169">TS</a>]

01:26:12   nor there what I'm saying is that as I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5172">TS</a>]

01:26:15   contemplating receiving this certificate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5175">TS</a>]

01:26:17   which I probably will not open that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5177">TS</a>]

01:26:24   few years ago Kathleen Edwards won a so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5184">TS</a>]

01:26:27   can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5187">TS</a>]

01:26:28   which is a Canadian a major Canadian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5188">TS</a>]

01:26:32   that's not a canadian award it's a major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5192">TS</a>]

01:26:35   award in canada and she wanted for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5195">TS</a>]

01:26:38   song that I have a co-write on and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5198">TS</a>]

01:26:44   was a generous it was generous on her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5204">TS</a>]

01:26:46   part she was sitting in my living room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5206">TS</a>]

01:26:48   and she was like I want you to listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5208">TS</a>]

01:26:49   the song and tell me what you think and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5209">TS</a>]

01:26:51   she played it for me on on my piano that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5211">TS</a>]

01:26:54   that my cousin yells about as being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5214">TS</a>]

01:26:59   weird sounding piano and I said oh well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5219">TS</a>]

01:27:02   that's a great song obviously you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5222">TS</a>]

01:27:06   great songwriter and all I would do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5226">TS</a>]

01:27:08   change this to that and then you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5228">TS</a>]

01:27:11   add this and take that away and she gave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5231">TS</a>]

01:27:12   you credit for that and she gave me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5232">TS</a>]

01:27:14   songwriting credit honor and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5234">TS</a>]

01:27:18   and it has a part that if you listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5238">TS</a>]

01:27:19   the song when the part comes you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5239">TS</a>]

01:27:21   oh that's very mm-hmm John right but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5241">TS</a>]

01:27:25   know it's a wonder it's a wonderful song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5245">TS</a>]

01:27:28   and it's her song entirely but she gave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5248">TS</a>]

01:27:32   me the songwriting credit and so when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5252">TS</a>]

01:27:34   the SOCAN Awards were announced and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5254">TS</a>]

01:27:39   award was for best song so it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5259">TS</a>]

01:27:43   announced that Kathleen Edwards and John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5263">TS</a>]

01:27:45   Roderick won this award so can award [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5265">TS</a>]

01:27:48   damn but I was not in Canada and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5268">TS</a>]

01:27:53   I don't well so I never wrote them a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5273">TS</a>]

01:27:56   letter saying is there a certificate or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5276">TS</a>]

01:28:01   something yeah do an article yeah just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5281">TS</a>]

01:28:04   curiosity just asking for a friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5284">TS</a>]

01:28:06   yeah and so now it occurs to me that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5286">TS</a>]

01:28:10   have another certificate of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5290">TS</a>]

01:28:12   participation for a thing that I kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5292">TS</a>]

01:28:17   was standing next to when someone won [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5297">TS</a>]

01:28:20   mm-hmm and now I'm starting to feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5300">TS</a>]

01:28:22   well I'm half won a couple of things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5302">TS</a>]

01:28:26   should you should go back through your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5306">TS</a>]

01:28:27   catalogue and figure out door you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5307">TS</a>]

01:28:29   just any of your relationships and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5309">TS</a>]

01:28:31   figure out what what else are you owed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5311">TS</a>]

01:28:32   well you know I did sing the background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5312">TS</a>]

01:28:36   harmonies Transatlanticism transplant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5316">TS</a>]

01:28:39   official notes on we'll get one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5319">TS</a>]

01:28:41   - is that gonna make it worse so sure so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5321">TS</a>]

01:28:43   here's what happened Shawn sang on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5323">TS</a>]

01:28:45   several of the songs well maybe not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5325">TS</a>]

01:28:47   several a handful he sang on three or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5327">TS</a>]

01:28:52   something songs on that record Shawn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5332">TS</a>]

01:28:55   does have a gold record on his wall from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5335">TS</a>]

01:29:01   trans Atlantis's Oh God [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5341">TS</a>]

01:29:03   now guess who doesn't that's right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5343">TS</a>]

01:29:11   don't have one and I think it was in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5351">TS</a>]

01:29:16   when they're sitting there with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5356">TS</a>]

01:29:18   notepad out who do we send these to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5358">TS</a>]

01:29:25   Shaunie well Shawn was very helpful he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5365">TS</a>]

01:29:28   sang on several songs he pops right to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5368">TS</a>]

01:29:30   the top of the list and let's see if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5370">TS</a>]

01:29:34   got to give one to the producer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5374">TS</a>]

01:29:35   fixer and the but Josh and Emily got one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5375">TS</a>]

01:29:41   oh yeah yeah that's right on the wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5381">TS</a>]

01:29:43   there at bar soup but you know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5383">TS</a>]

01:29:45   did was I sang come on really pops yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5385">TS</a>]

01:29:53   and there's and I sang another part and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5393">TS</a>]

01:29:55   he just charges sang another one of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5395">TS</a>]

01:29:57   perfect angelic parts which he does all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5397">TS</a>]

01:29:59   the time that's easy for him and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5399">TS</a>]

01:30:01   here is his angel he sings like an angel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5401">TS</a>]

01:30:03   he does you brought your your your gut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5403">TS</a>]

01:30:07   rattling just creaking listen to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5407">TS</a>]

01:30:16   transit land I do not have the thing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5416">TS</a>]

01:30:23   the wall that then you put you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5423">TS</a>]

01:30:25   kind of put it next to the bathroom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5425">TS</a>]

01:30:27   you're like oh that old thing like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5427">TS</a>]

01:30:28   thing you know you or I could not open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5428">TS</a>]

01:30:31   it and it could be like a gold record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5431">TS</a>]

01:30:33   the idea of your trophy room being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5433">TS</a>]

01:30:36   unopened boxes but with a full display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5436">TS</a>]

01:30:38   case and maybe a bell jar on it and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5438">TS</a>]

01:30:40   fucking black with a question mark like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5440">TS</a>]

01:30:42   just stuff you've gotten in the mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5442">TS</a>]

01:30:44   that might be really beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5444">TS</a>]

01:30:53   and mounted things in envelopes see for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5453">TS</a>]

01:30:55   all you know it could be a bigmouth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5455">TS</a>]

01:30:56   Billy bass but could also be a Grammy no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5456">TS</a>]

01:30:59   one saying it's not a Grammy is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5459">TS</a>]

01:31:02   schrödinger's Grammy well I'm you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5462">TS</a>]

01:31:04   right in the center a really big box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5464">TS</a>]

01:31:06   that's probably a platinum record from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5466">TS</a>]

01:31:08   Beauty you have to imagine they did very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5468">TS</a>]

01:31:11   well John is a very popular but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5471">TS</a>]

01:31:14   popular and and you know wouldn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5474">TS</a>]

01:31:17   cost a lot to send like one to everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5477">TS</a>]

01:31:20   that worked on us to say how many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5480">TS</a>]

01:31:22   ended up learning about them because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5482">TS</a>]

01:31:24   they came to see the opening act I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5484">TS</a>]

01:31:27   it's pretty safe to say how many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5487">TS</a>]

01:31:29   did because you know we can look at our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5489">TS</a>]

01:31:33   own record sales [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5493">TS</a>]

01:31:34   you never know you never know but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5494">TS</a>]

01:31:38   yeah so I mean so my like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5498">TS</a>]

01:31:41   metaphysical trophy wall has a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5501">TS</a>]

01:31:46   these like a ward adjacent envelopes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5506">TS</a>]

01:31:49   yeah and I just like and of course now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5509">TS</a>]

01:31:53   we have phony that's the thing see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5513">TS</a>]

01:31:55   somebody went to the trouble yeah an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5515">TS</a>]

01:31:58   award the non-existent award that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5518">TS</a>]

01:32:01   made up and were mad that we weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5521">TS</a>]

01:32:03   nominated for somebody made that real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5523">TS</a>]

01:32:05   Rory made that real he made you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5525">TS</a>]

01:32:08   headphones you hope you an award was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5528">TS</a>]

01:32:10   literally invented for you not to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5530">TS</a>]

01:32:13   better yeah although I invented it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5533">TS</a>]

01:32:17   we invented well you conceptualized it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5537">TS</a>]

01:32:19   that's right but you didn't paint you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5539">TS</a>]

01:32:22   fucking headphones no I didn't take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5542">TS</a>]

01:32:24   headphones and build a phony award yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5544">TS</a>]

01:32:26   and stuff that guy's the real deal well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5546">TS</a>]

01:32:29   and to be honest those are noise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5549">TS</a>]

01:32:31   protection headphones sue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5551">TS</a>]

01:32:39   you guys just wrap it up and put it away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5559">TS</a>]

01:32:41   why bother my fucking mother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5561">TS</a>]

01:32:41   why bother my fucking mother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/5561">TS</a>]

00:00:01   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1">TS</a>]

00:00:04   hello hi John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/4">TS</a>]

00:00:06   hi Merlin how's it going good yeah is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/6">TS</a>]

00:00:12   earlier you ill Oh neither [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/12">TS</a>]

00:00:15   oh you okay no no you sound better yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/15">TS</a>]

00:00:18   no I I just I did something i I never do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/18">TS</a>]

00:00:22   which is I crammed I crammed that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/22">TS</a>]

00:00:26   wrong one I ate I ate some food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/26">TS</a>]

00:00:28   oh gee I ate too warmed up slices of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/28">TS</a>]

00:00:36   pizza mmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/36">TS</a>]

00:00:38   for breakfast she's microwave for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/38">TS</a>]

00:00:43   the oven I use the microwave huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/43">TS</a>]

00:00:48   which is I you know we all know the not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/48">TS</a>]

00:00:51   the best way to put pizza back into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/51">TS</a>]

00:00:53   circulation from cold pizza just fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/53">TS</a>]

00:00:57   mm-hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/57">TS</a>]

00:00:57   some reason I thought just I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/57">TS</a>]

00:01:01   thought go for it just throw the pizzas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/61">TS</a>]

00:01:03   in the in the microwave and eat them I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/63">TS</a>]

00:01:05   recently acquired some new technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/65">TS</a>]

00:01:08   that I'm very excited about although I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/68">TS</a>]

00:01:10   have not figured out how fully to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/70">TS</a>]

00:01:12   utilize it yet and I acquired a product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/72">TS</a>]

00:01:16   from the Whirlpool Corporation that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/76">TS</a>]

00:01:19   purports to be a pan touch the pan it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/79">TS</a>]

00:01:23   a pan that can be used it's basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/83">TS</a>]

00:01:25   looks like a pizza let's say probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/85">TS</a>]

00:01:27   like a 12-inch pizza [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/87">TS</a>]

00:01:30   dingus what do you call them you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/90">TS</a>]

00:01:32   talking about pizza pan pizza pan feets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/92">TS</a>]

00:01:34   pan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/94">TS</a>]

00:01:34   but it's treated with some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/94">TS</a>]

00:01:37   aluminium that can be used in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/97">TS</a>]

00:01:40   microwave oven wait a minute I know see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/100">TS</a>]

00:01:43   this flies in the face of everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/103">TS</a>]

00:01:44   we've learned this is our culture and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/104">TS</a>]

00:01:45   our heritage is one thing we know yep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/105">TS</a>]

00:01:47   man the moon microwave oven right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/107">TS</a>]

00:01:48   microwave oven cannot heat to the center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/108">TS</a>]

00:01:50   of a lasagna and you can't put a pan in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/110">TS</a>]

00:01:53   a microwave mm-hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/113">TS</a>]

00:01:54   you don't don't rollerskate know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/114">TS</a>]

00:01:56   flow hurt but I got this I've only used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/116">TS</a>]

00:02:00   it once but it purports to crisp up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/120">TS</a>]

00:02:03   thing that you are heating in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/123">TS</a>]

00:02:05   microwave Christmas it up now have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/125">TS</a>]

00:02:08   ever gotten for example like gas station [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/128">TS</a>]

00:02:11   french fries that comes in a pack with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/131">TS</a>]

00:02:14   like like a silvery reflective inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/134">TS</a>]

00:02:17   when you heat it you know that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/137">TS</a>]

00:02:19   eat potatoes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/139">TS</a>]

00:02:20   oh you're aware of judges you just don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/140">TS</a>]

00:02:23   consume them yeah but I do know about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/143">TS</a>]

00:02:25   the packaging that you're describing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/145">TS</a>]

00:02:27   the foil inner inner foil yes I mean I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/147">TS</a>]

00:02:31   keen to have this happen cuz me I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/151">TS</a>]

00:02:33   some hot wings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/153">TS</a>]

00:02:34   sometimes when we order a delivery place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/154">TS</a>]

00:02:36   I'll get hot wings just for later kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/156">TS</a>]

00:02:38   of for the Tavia for me what's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/158">TS</a>]

00:02:43   problem with a hot wing is you got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/163">TS</a>]

00:02:45   you got a chicken piece and on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/165">TS</a>]

00:02:47   inside on the outside you got to get me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/167">TS</a>]

00:02:49   hot sauce and in between you've got some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/169">TS</a>]

00:02:52   crisped up probably flowery coating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/172">TS</a>]

00:02:54   thing and then you heat that in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/174">TS</a>]

00:02:57   microwave and it's just not that fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/177">TS</a>]

00:02:59   no it's our job to sell I don't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/179">TS</a>]

00:03:02   think I might be this might be something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/182">TS</a>]

00:03:03   you want to look at I am going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/183">TS</a>]

00:03:06   problem is it is at odds I think I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/186">TS</a>]

00:03:09   talked I feel like I definitely talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/189">TS</a>]

00:03:10   about this before but I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/190">TS</a>]

00:03:12   you know this about me I am a master of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/192">TS</a>]

00:03:13   the microwave particularly with regard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/193">TS</a>]

00:03:16   to using the percentages I'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/196">TS</a>]

00:03:18   percentage man on are you really yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/198">TS</a>]

00:03:20   you know my whole feeling about it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/200">TS</a>]

00:03:23   like put it in at a hundred percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/203">TS</a>]

00:03:25   mm-hmm and it's all a time game just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/205">TS</a>]

00:03:29   saying it's a percentage game it can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/209">TS</a>]

00:03:31   a percentage game this is not for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/211">TS</a>]

00:03:32   everybody because a lot of people they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/212">TS</a>]

00:03:34   have busy working day lives and they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/214">TS</a>]

00:03:35   got to get on moving moving to the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/215">TS</a>]

00:03:37   thing they're mining bitcoins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/217">TS</a>]

00:03:38   they're picking kids up at school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/218">TS</a>]

00:03:39   there's a lot control but so one benefit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/219">TS</a>]

00:03:42   we've got a really high wattage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/222">TS</a>]

00:03:44   microwave that heats stuff super fast so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/224">TS</a>]

00:03:47   like coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/227">TS</a>]

00:03:48   how many wattage it's over a thousand I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/228">TS</a>]

00:03:50   want to say like 1200 or more but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/230">TS</a>]

00:03:52   always have to go a little bit south on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/232">TS</a>]

00:03:54   when they tell you like oh do it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/234">TS</a>]

00:03:56   this long can you get those on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/236">TS</a>]

00:03:58   street you can get these please 1200 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/238">TS</a>]

00:04:00   mics on the street well you know does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/240">TS</a>]

00:04:02   some aftermarket things to it we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/242">TS</a>]

00:04:04   Ami's and uh yeah yeah so I mean that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/244">TS</a>]

00:04:11   great if you want to make hot water you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/251">TS</a>]

00:04:14   want pure energy going coursing through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/254">TS</a>]

00:04:17   your water your energy to your energy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/257">TS</a>]

00:04:20   generate the heats there's nice bullets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/260">TS</a>]

00:04:23   you want that but with a pizza see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/263">TS</a>]

00:04:26   here's the thing with a pizza you put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/266">TS</a>]

00:04:28   pizza in for a minute yeah that's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/268">TS</a>]

00:04:31   be a very very very hot possibly bernie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/271">TS</a>]

00:04:36   pizza hot wet pizza hot wet pizza I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/276">TS</a>]

00:04:39   that movie so here's my challenge to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/279">TS</a>]

00:04:41   is to start so first of all you may know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/281">TS</a>]

00:04:43   for example that for defrosting if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/283">TS</a>]

00:04:44   don't have an auto defrost if you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/284">TS</a>]

00:04:46   need to defrost you go for like a ten a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/286">TS</a>]

00:04:48   ten percent that's really yeah cuz the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/288">TS</a>]

00:04:51   problem is what a microwave does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/291">TS</a>]

00:04:53   according to the the technologies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/293">TS</a>]

00:04:54   books that I have acquired is that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/294">TS</a>]

00:04:57   cooks from the I believe it cooks I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/297">TS</a>]

00:05:00   to say from the inside out I'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/300">TS</a>]

00:05:01   how that were inside out cooks from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/301">TS</a>]

00:05:05   corner but just something where like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/305">TS</a>]

00:05:06   it's very you know you've had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/306">TS</a>]

00:05:08   experience certainly of like let's look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/308">TS</a>]

00:05:09   at the lasagna considered was Anya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/309">TS</a>]

00:05:11   consider kids on and when yeah when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/311">TS</a>]

00:05:14   heat the lasagna you get that thing of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/314">TS</a>]

00:05:16   like one part is scalding and giving you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/316">TS</a>]

00:05:18   mouth meat yeah and another part is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/318">TS</a>]

00:05:21   actually physically cold still throws [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/321">TS</a>]

00:05:23   yeah well okay so here's here's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/323">TS</a>]

00:05:25   challenge to you consider and consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/325">TS</a>]

00:05:28   the 40 percent setting all right so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/328">TS</a>]

00:05:31   you you got a pretty good feel for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/331">TS</a>]

00:05:33   how long to put something in to heat it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/333">TS</a>]

00:05:34   up thinking about it now I'm thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/334">TS</a>]

00:05:37   I'm holding I'm holding the let's say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/337">TS</a>]

00:05:40   what is the thing that I microwaved the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/340">TS</a>]

00:05:42   most that isn't yeah something you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/342">TS</a>]

00:05:48   some well I have to I have to I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/348">TS</a>]

00:05:52   two ways I use the microwave actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/352">TS</a>]

00:05:54   the thing that I shouldn't have frozen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/354">TS</a>]

00:05:57   that I froze right and now I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/357">TS</a>]

00:06:00   bring it back to life you have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/360">TS</a>]

00:06:01   you're you are kind of a master of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/361">TS</a>]

00:06:02   freezing process like if you're not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/362">TS</a>]

00:06:04   if meats gone bad you put it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/364">TS</a>]

00:06:05   freezer right and so I can have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/365">TS</a>]

00:06:06   later that's right the freeze the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/366">TS</a>]

00:06:08   freezing if it's like if I don't cook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/368">TS</a>]

00:06:10   this today then I then it's going bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/370">TS</a>]

00:06:13   throw it away yeah put it in the freezer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/373">TS</a>]

00:06:15   and then I'll cook it a year from now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/375">TS</a>]

00:06:16   how do you like me now I like you plenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/376">TS</a>]

00:06:18   now I think that's a terrific way to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/378">TS</a>]

00:06:20   and you know that's a little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/380">TS</a>]

00:06:22   mystery yes everything you pull out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/382">TS</a>]

00:06:24   the freezer which should be you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/384">TS</a>]

00:06:26   it's it's brand spankin new you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/386">TS</a>]

00:06:30   you're you're when you were a kid did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/390">TS</a>]

00:06:32   you ever put batteries in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/392">TS</a>]

00:06:32   refrigerator to refresh them course okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/392">TS</a>]

00:06:35   so I don't know if people do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/395">TS</a>]

00:06:36   anymore it used to be the conventional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/396">TS</a>]

00:06:38   wisdom was now now you can store your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/398">TS</a>]

00:06:40   batteries in the fridge supposedly makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/400">TS</a>]

00:06:41   them last longer I don't know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/401">TS</a>]

00:06:43   know the kid we take oh we take a 9-volt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/403">TS</a>]

00:06:45   and stick it in there overnight and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/405">TS</a>]

00:06:46   get a little more juice out of it yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/406">TS</a>]

00:06:48   so what I would suggest is this is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/408">TS</a>]

00:06:51   arbitrary but if you have let's say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/411">TS</a>]

00:06:52   arbitrarily you've got something you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/412">TS</a>]

00:06:54   need to heat up that you feel like is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/414">TS</a>]

00:06:56   let's say a two-minute heat up try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/416">TS</a>]

00:06:59   having the amount of time and doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/419">TS</a>]

00:07:02   at 40% same amount of time but 40% of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/422">TS</a>]

00:07:06   half the amount of time wait whoa no no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/426">TS</a>]

00:07:11   sorry wait a minute I got my math wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/431">TS</a>]

00:07:13   okay cut that out when you edit this cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/433">TS</a>]

00:07:15   that out all right do this almost twice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/435">TS</a>]

00:07:18   as long for 40% and what that does is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/438">TS</a>]

00:07:22   that's gonna let those little waves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/442">TS</a>]

00:07:24   really get in there they're gonna say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/444">TS</a>]

00:07:26   hey buddy you know pump your brakes we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/446">TS</a>]

00:07:28   just need to get real deep into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/448">TS</a>]

00:07:30   lasagna this is not this is not we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/450">TS</a>]

00:07:32   not some teenage boy that needs to need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/452">TS</a>]

00:07:34   to bust his nut on this lasagna and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/454">TS</a>]

00:07:36   you know uh 40 seconds right let's be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/456">TS</a>]

00:07:39   gentleman about this let's length of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/459">TS</a>]

00:07:41   food accommodate the waves you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/461">TS</a>]

00:07:44   gonna slide into there da it's okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/464">TS</a>]

00:07:46   buddy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/466">TS</a>]

00:07:47   I don't want to see your speed this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/467">TS</a>]

00:07:48   this is a microwave user this is gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/468">TS</a>]

00:07:51   go you tell me if you want to stop right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/471">TS</a>]

00:07:53   so Sam's it's like vibrating I always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/473">TS</a>]

00:07:56   think of a microwave as cooking by like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/476">TS</a>]

00:08:00   by jiggling by vibrating like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/480">TS</a>]

00:08:03   molecules yeah so it's in the molecule [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/483">TS</a>]

00:08:06   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/486">TS</a>]

00:08:09   but what you're saying is like it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/489">TS</a>]

00:08:11   gonna it's gonna tickle its way through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/491">TS</a>]

00:08:13   the outside molecules be like yelling at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/493">TS</a>]

00:08:19   it you know what I'm saying don't yell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/499">TS</a>]

00:08:21   it don't yell at the lasagna anyway I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/501">TS</a>]

00:08:23   just tossing this out experiment try it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/503">TS</a>]

00:08:25   try this because I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/505">TS</a>]

00:08:26   I did this one my daughter frequently my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/506">TS</a>]

00:08:28   daughter will have like two pieces of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/508">TS</a>]

00:08:29   pizza we got leftover pizza she wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/509">TS</a>]

00:08:31   snack of course two minutes before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/511">TS</a>]

00:08:32   dinner she has to have a snack which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/512">TS</a>]

00:08:34   just driving me out of my mind but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/514">TS</a>]

00:08:36   she gets home from school I'm gonna make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/516">TS</a>]

00:08:37   her some pizza [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/517">TS</a>]

00:08:39   I'll do and because we have a super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/519">TS</a>]

00:08:41   strong microwave I'll do maybe 40% for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/521">TS</a>]

00:08:44   minute 20 see how it is it can always do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/524">TS</a>]

00:08:46   more you can't undo microwave you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/526">TS</a>]

00:08:48   only do more microwave you can't receive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/528">TS</a>]

00:08:50   there's no at currently with the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/530">TS</a>]

00:08:52   technology right no way to remove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/532">TS</a>]

00:08:54   microwave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/534">TS</a>]

00:08:54   but you might be amazed it makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/534">TS</a>]

00:08:56   really quite nice and what does you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/536">TS</a>]

00:08:58   it's easy to screw up a pizza it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/538">TS</a>]

00:09:00   pretty easy to mess up yeah but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/540">TS</a>]

00:09:02   pizza is just such a throwaway food it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/542">TS</a>]

00:09:04   like but I noticed this about myself all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/544">TS</a>]

00:09:06   the time I screw up food and then I sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/546">TS</a>]

00:09:10   and shame eat it you do that now you eat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/550">TS</a>]

00:09:13   it I screwed this up so badly and so now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/553">TS</a>]

00:09:18   what I deserve is to sit alone at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/558">TS</a>]

00:09:20   end of this table with a napkin tucked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/560">TS</a>]

00:09:22   into my shirt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/562">TS</a>]

00:09:23   and a knife in one hand and a fork in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/563">TS</a>]

00:09:24   the other and just just just eat this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/564">TS</a>]

00:09:30   shit that I just really like misery in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/570">TS</a>]

00:09:35   every bite I do that I learn from it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/575">TS</a>]

00:09:39   John no no that the tragedy is here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/579">TS</a>]

00:09:43   one of the tragedies I was talking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/583">TS</a>]

00:09:46   you I think about my inability to cook a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/586">TS</a>]

00:09:48   steak oh yeah very surprising a man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/588">TS</a>]

00:09:53   contacted me here in Seattle and he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/593">TS</a>]

00:09:57   I'm teaching his cook steak a steak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/597">TS</a>]

00:09:59   cooking class a cook steak in class and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/599">TS</a>]

00:10:02   he said I'd like you to come attending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/602">TS</a>]

00:10:04   the cook steak in class and I said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/604">TS</a>]

00:10:07   would be so into that and now I just was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/607">TS</a>]

00:10:14   offered a gig at the same time as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/614">TS</a>]

00:10:18   cooks taking class Oh bummer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/618">TS</a>]

00:10:20   and you know I can partly make my living [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/620">TS</a>]

00:10:24   doing gigs gigs are important it's a gig [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/624">TS</a>]

00:10:26   economy it's an out of town gig all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/626">TS</a>]

00:10:29   things that and you know and I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/629">TS</a>]

00:10:32   like I can't see your calendar for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/632">TS</a>]

00:10:34   stuff it's no good it's no good and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/634">TS</a>]

00:10:36   just feel I just feel like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/636">TS</a>]

00:10:39   just put and the thing is he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/639">TS</a>]

00:10:40   offer this class all the time this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/640">TS</a>]

00:10:43   this is a class that just comes up every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/643">TS</a>]

00:10:45   once a while I don't know why he seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/645">TS</a>]

00:10:48   like he should be able to do it every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/648">TS</a>]

00:10:49   day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/649">TS</a>]

00:10:49   yeah every morning he should wake up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/649">TS</a>]

00:10:52   the teachers what you just hop on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/652">TS</a>]

00:10:54   blower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/654">TS</a>]

00:10:54   they have him give a tea and pigs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/654">TS</a>]

00:10:56   bunnies you think there's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/656">TS</a>]

00:10:57   where he could just give you the high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/657">TS</a>]

00:10:58   level give you three bullets on a cook's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/658">TS</a>]

00:10:59   taking that means that insulting to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/659">TS</a>]

00:11:03   his method probably I mean what one time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/663">TS</a>]

00:11:06   I took a am I took an engineering class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/666">TS</a>]

00:11:11   like a like a studio production class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/671">TS</a>]

00:11:13   because I've sat in recording studios a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/673">TS</a>]

00:11:16   hundred times looking over people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/676">TS</a>]

00:11:18   shoulders asking them questions what are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/678">TS</a>]

00:11:20   you doing there I'm just you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/680">TS</a>]

00:11:23   changing the Shelf on the loom the bus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/683">TS</a>]

00:11:27   mm-hmm it's like oh you're changing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/687">TS</a>]

00:11:30   shelf on the bus I don't know and I even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/690">TS</a>]

00:11:32   know what those turns you thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/692">TS</a>]

00:11:34   yourself should I be changing the shelf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/694">TS</a>]

00:11:35   on my bus oh shit is exactly right right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/695">TS</a>]

00:11:38   I mean you know like I run my vocals to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/698">TS</a>]

00:11:40   an 1176 I love I love the way the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/700">TS</a>]

00:11:43   machine sounds I I know them intimately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/703">TS</a>]

00:11:47   from staring at them but still every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/707">TS</a>]

00:11:50   single thing that a person does on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/710">TS</a>]

00:11:52   I have no idea what they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/712">TS</a>]

00:11:54   I'm just looking at this this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/714">TS</a>]

00:11:57   1176 L in the classic limiting amplifier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/717">TS</a>]

00:12:00   mmm-hmm oh it's got a lot of knobs John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/720">TS</a>]

00:12:03   but it's a wonderful wonderful machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/723">TS</a>]

00:12:06   and it has and the thing is it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/726">TS</a>]

00:12:09   tricks there are tricks you can do on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/729">TS</a>]

00:12:11   you can push all the buttons in at once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/731">TS</a>]

00:12:14   which everybody agrees is really great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/734">TS</a>]

00:12:16   and so if I owned one they're not cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/736">TS</a>]

00:12:19   if I owned one I would put all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/739">TS</a>]

00:12:21   buttons in at once and I'd leave it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/741">TS</a>]

00:12:24   there and I would find a setting and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/744">TS</a>]

00:12:26   would just leave it there I would never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/746">TS</a>]

00:12:27   touch it again the problem is and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/747">TS</a>]

00:12:30   don't know if you encountered this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/750">TS</a>]

00:12:32   because you're somebody that I that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/752">TS</a>]

00:12:35   spend some time understanding them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/755">TS</a>]

00:12:38   architecture and I like to understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/758">TS</a>]

00:12:41   the architecture well the rules before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/761">TS</a>]

00:12:44   you break them that's right and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/764">TS</a>]

00:12:46   when a compressor or a limiter is doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/766">TS</a>]

00:12:50   its job I understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/770">TS</a>]

00:12:52   in my mind's eye kind of what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/772">TS</a>]

00:12:56   happening kind of to sound which I kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/776">TS</a>]

00:13:01   of understand but I cannot quite put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/781">TS</a>]

00:13:05   together you know I am I like a mental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/785">TS</a>]

00:13:08   picture you know I look at the course of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/788">TS</a>]

00:13:10   a year and I have scope it out as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/790">TS</a>]

00:13:12   geography yeah but I can't quite in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/792">TS</a>]

00:13:16   the men on a map just give me an idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/796">TS</a>]

00:13:18   how the terrain works yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/798">TS</a>]

00:13:20   but the maps sometimes require maps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/800">TS</a>]

00:13:24   sometimes require that you understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/804">TS</a>]

00:13:26   the physical property of of the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/806">TS</a>]

00:13:28   that you're doing right this is why it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/808">TS</a>]

00:13:30   so hard to make a map shirt cut yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/810">TS</a>]

00:13:36   right so if you don't understand what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/816">TS</a>]

00:13:37   sound is how can you make a map of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/817">TS</a>]

00:13:40   and how much can you understand what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/820">TS</a>]

00:13:44   sound is unless you really study sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/824">TS</a>]

00:13:46   you can't just like oh so did some waves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/826">TS</a>]

00:13:49   like yeah alright waves but like sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/829">TS</a>]

00:13:52   going through a box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/832">TS</a>]

00:13:54   mm-hmm that that's electricity it's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/834">TS</a>]

00:13:58   of those things were like you when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/838">TS</a>]

00:14:00   if you try to ask for the short version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/840">TS</a>]

00:14:01   you're gonna find yourself moving up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/841">TS</a>]

00:14:02   up and up in the stack to like something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/842">TS</a>]

00:14:04   you you thought you knew but didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/844">TS</a>]

00:14:06   really understand you need to understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/846">TS</a>]

00:14:07   before as a predicate like before you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/847">TS</a>]

00:14:09   get to this other thing correct it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/849">TS</a>]

00:14:11   predicate what even is sound what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/851">TS</a>]

00:14:14   what even is it and so you know so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/854">TS</a>]

00:14:16   said and I'm talking to engineers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/856">TS</a>]

00:14:18   they're like yeah well you just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/858">TS</a>]

00:14:21   it's just yeah yes this is just you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/861">TS</a>]

00:14:25   put a shelf on the bus and I go I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/865">TS</a>]

00:14:28   even yeah okay but what is what am I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/868">TS</a>]

00:14:31   trying for and then then the problem is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/871">TS</a>]

00:14:33   it's all they'll look at you and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/873">TS</a>]

00:14:36   just like we'll just do it till it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/876">TS</a>]

00:14:37   sounds good it's like yeah okay but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/877">TS</a>]

00:14:43   sort of said it sort of sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/883">TS</a>]

00:14:45   differently good every direction anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/885">TS</a>]

00:14:49   so I took a class from a noted engineer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/889">TS</a>]

00:14:54   producer and it was me and like four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/894">TS</a>]

00:14:57   other people and he walked us through it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/897">TS</a>]

00:15:00   was like three days we I went down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/900">TS</a>]

00:15:02   stayed in a hotel and poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/902">TS</a>]

00:15:04   Londyn went to three days worth of being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/904">TS</a>]

00:15:07   in the studio Wow learning all the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/907">TS</a>]

00:15:10   and I came out of there exactly as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/910">TS</a>]

00:15:16   ignorant as I was when I went in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/916">TS</a>]

00:15:18   through no fault of the class but just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/918">TS</a>]

00:15:24   that there's a fundamental comprehension [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/924">TS</a>]

00:15:27   that I am lacking that the class didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/927">TS</a>]

00:15:31   address because it's not that wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/931">TS</a>]

00:15:33   under the within the purview of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/933">TS</a>]

00:15:35   class and I think you went straight into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/935">TS</a>]

00:15:38   algebra 2 yeah yeah it's just like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/938">TS</a>]

00:15:41   well here you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/941">TS</a>]

00:15:42   just run it in here and bust it over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/942">TS</a>]

00:15:44   here and put a shelf on it over here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/944">TS</a>]

00:15:46   I was still sitting there with a dunce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/946">TS</a>]

00:15:50   cap on going but what is sound huh or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/950">TS</a>]

00:15:53   what are we what are we doing what are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/953">TS</a>]

00:15:57   we manipulating like how does how does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/957">TS</a>]

00:16:00   me going like good job things are gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/960">TS</a>]

00:16:04   get easier turn into electricity that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/964">TS</a>]

00:16:08   goes into these things and is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/968">TS</a>]

00:16:10   manipulated by your knobs and out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/970">TS</a>]

00:16:12   other side I get it I mean I get it I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/972">TS</a>]

00:16:15   heard it a thousand times but I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/975">TS</a>]

00:16:16   don't get it I think there's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/976">TS</a>]

00:16:22   problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/982">TS</a>]

00:16:22   maybe just because I know so very little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/982">TS</a>]

00:16:24   and all I ever do is twiddle it till it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/984">TS</a>]

00:16:26   sounds good to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/986">TS</a>]

00:16:27   yeah with my dumb bad ears but like okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/987">TS</a>]

00:16:30   here's a phenomenon that I used to be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/990">TS</a>]

00:16:33   one end of and I'm now on the other end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/993">TS</a>]

00:16:35   of used to always be on the end of some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/995">TS</a>]

00:16:37   dingus you came through a phenomenon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/997">TS</a>]

00:16:40   you're on the other end of it well yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1000">TS</a>]

00:16:41   and I'm not loving it but but you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1001">TS</a>]

00:16:43   been on the end of the phenomenon where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1003">TS</a>]

00:16:45   some dingus is using the computer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1005">TS</a>]

00:16:49   they're not doing it fast enough or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1009">TS</a>]

00:16:51   smart enough for you and you're like no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1011">TS</a>]

00:16:52   no just click click file file not there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1012">TS</a>]

00:16:54   up there click man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1014">TS</a>]

00:16:55   click that click that because for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1015">TS</a>]

00:16:57   reason when you're driving you're blind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1017">TS</a>]

00:16:59   like you don't see stuff like have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1019">TS</a>]

00:17:01   ever noticed and so the other end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1021">TS</a>]

00:17:02   that now is like when I'm using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1022">TS</a>]

00:17:03   computer my daughter is constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1023">TS</a>]

00:17:04   frustrated that I'm not doing the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1024">TS</a>]

00:17:06   that she thinks she would do faster I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1026">TS</a>]

00:17:08   think there should be a there's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1028">TS</a>]

00:17:09   a name for this but there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1029">TS</a>]

00:17:11   phenomenon when somebody else is doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1031">TS</a>]

00:17:12   the physical enough it's a modal thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1032">TS</a>]

00:17:14   but when one person is doing a physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1034">TS</a>]

00:17:16   manipulation the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1036">TS</a>]

00:17:17   person sees things more clearly right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1037">TS</a>]

00:17:22   and I bet that goes five times more with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1042">TS</a>]

00:17:24   audio we're one nice reason to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:26   somebody in the room with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:27   engineering is that they are they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1047">TS</a>]

00:17:31   how that machine works and what sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:33   makes and then they you're able to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1053">TS</a>]

00:17:36   like two sets of years working on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1056">TS</a>]

00:17:38   yeah do you know what I'm saying though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1058">TS</a>]

00:17:40   absolutely well that's what's wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1060">TS</a>]

00:17:42   about recording for me is that when some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1062">TS</a>]

00:17:46   when some tiny tiny adjustment is made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1066">TS</a>]

00:17:49   to the sound by a knob I perceive it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1069">TS</a>]

00:17:53   also have an opinion about it and want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1073">TS</a>]

00:17:56   it to be this or that and I know enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1076">TS</a>]

00:17:58   about the words that I can say Allen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1078">TS</a>]

00:18:01   just put a little bit more shelf on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1081">TS</a>]

00:18:03   bus mm-hm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1083">TS</a>]

00:18:03   and the engineer is like yep right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1083">TS</a>]

00:18:06   he does it and it's exact and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1086">TS</a>]

00:18:07   right mm-hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1087">TS</a>]

00:18:09   I have no idea though what because I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1089">TS</a>]

00:18:12   just talking in I'm just making I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1092">TS</a>]

00:18:14   casting spells you know I'm like just I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1094">TS</a>]

00:18:17   learned some spells Wizards way and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1097">TS</a>]

00:18:21   thing is also your quality control gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1101">TS</a>]

00:18:22   weird because like everybody knows I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1102">TS</a>]

00:18:25   don't know if they still call it this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1105">TS</a>]

00:18:26   but there used to be something called an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1106">TS</a>]

00:18:27   aural enhancer where if you put an aural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:29   enhancer on something it suddenly sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1109">TS</a>]

00:18:31   a lot fresher but you also don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1111">TS</a>]

00:18:34   sound too fresh you don't want to sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1114">TS</a>]

00:18:35   too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:36   Arlyn hansteen I'm saying I do that goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1116">TS</a>]

00:18:40   for compression that echoes for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1120">TS</a>]

00:18:42   equalization that goes for a limiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1122">TS</a>]

00:18:44   that goes for so many things there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1124">TS</a>]

00:18:46   another example this has gone around a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1126">TS</a>]

00:18:48   lot over the years where people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1128">TS</a>]

00:18:49   insist they can tell like tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1129">TS</a>]

00:18:50   differences between quality of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1130">TS</a>]

00:18:52   audio formats they found that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1132">TS</a>]

00:18:54   trick almost anybody into thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1134">TS</a>]

00:18:56   something sounds better by making it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1136">TS</a>]

00:18:57   slightly louder than the other examples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1137">TS</a>]

00:19:02   that does sound better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1142">TS</a>]

00:19:04   well like the guy I forget exactly there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1144">TS</a>]

00:19:06   was one famous guy maybe nuno [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1146">TS</a>]

00:19:08   bettencourt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1148">TS</a>]

00:19:09   or something somebody well who said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1149">TS</a>]

00:19:14   they forget it wasn't Todd Rundgren but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1154">TS</a>]

00:19:18   somebody liked to put 3/4 used up nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1158">TS</a>]

00:19:23   volts in their effects boxes because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1163">TS</a>]

00:19:28   3/4 used up battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1168">TS</a>]

00:19:31   it's a warmer center you know the French [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1171">TS</a>]

00:19:40   battery the sound source battery no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1180">TS</a>]

00:19:41   rattle that's just that's too much but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:43   we do this all the time in mixing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1183">TS</a>]

00:19:45   records where the record just sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1185">TS</a>]

00:19:47   amazing when you your make you sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1187">TS</a>]

00:19:49   in the studio you're mixing it through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:51   your NS tens and which are terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1191">TS</a>]

00:19:54   sounding but everybody uses them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1194">TS</a>]

00:19:56   we're all like that's great and then and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1196">TS</a>]

00:19:58   then the engineer says we'll listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1198">TS</a>]

00:20:00   them on headphones and you put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1200">TS</a>]

00:20:01   headphones on you're like oh no this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:03   sounds terrible yeah and you cannot just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1203">TS</a>]

00:20:06   mix something hearing it through one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:09   source and that is the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1209">TS</a>]

00:20:10   destabilizing thing because you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1210">TS</a>]

00:20:13   because mixing is such a delicate art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1213">TS</a>]

00:20:19   and the room and other people's sweat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1219">TS</a>]

00:20:23   and and if you're only listening to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1223">TS</a>]

00:20:26   one like you meet all the other tracks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1226">TS</a>]

00:20:28   you listen to one on the isolated track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1228">TS</a>]

00:20:30   like you're not going to hear that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1230">TS</a>]

00:20:31   same way once you bring up the bass and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1231">TS</a>]

00:20:33   the drums stuff like that bringing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1233">TS</a>]

00:20:35   that bass you know I mean that sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1235">TS</a>]

00:20:37   like an obvious thing but that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:38   other thing is like is there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1238">TS</a>]

00:20:39   shortcut really to saying like well we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1239">TS</a>]

00:20:41   want to fill the entire musical spectrum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:43   I mean people I imagine that is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:45   intuitive and that you do that once once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1245">TS</a>]

00:20:48   you've got all the levels and sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:49   kind of how you want then the really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1249">TS</a>]

00:20:51   artful thing it seems to me is being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1251">TS</a>]

00:20:52   able to make it all sound good together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:54   which is almost impossibly hard and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1254">TS</a>]

00:20:55   fuck yourself up but if you change one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1255">TS</a>]

00:20:57   thing wrong and then you go and listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1257">TS</a>]

00:20:58   your car and you're like what doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1258">TS</a>]

00:21:00   sound anything like it should sound and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1260">TS</a>]

00:21:01   it's quiet you listen you know that new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1261">TS</a>]

00:21:05   portugal demand song which I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1265">TS</a>]

00:21:07   keep referring to because everybody in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1267">TS</a>]

00:21:08   the country's got it stuck in their head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1268">TS</a>]

00:21:10   it's very catchy they're these according [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1270">TS</a>]

00:21:11   to my daughter they're the third most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1271">TS</a>]

00:21:13   popular band at her school Wow who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1273">TS</a>]

00:21:15   the other two she didn't say no kidding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:18   no but she was listened to in the shower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:20   i tutored about this a couple weeks ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1280">TS</a>]

00:21:22   I was like what is that song she's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1282">TS</a>]

00:21:24   it's par to call the man there's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1284">TS</a>]

00:21:26   Portugal period though man like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1286">TS</a>]

00:21:31   okay it's not at all what I expected I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1291">TS</a>]

00:21:33   thought I was gonna be mopey Portland [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:34   beard music mmm no and they they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1294">TS</a>]

00:21:37   made quite a bit of like psychedelic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1297">TS</a>]

00:21:39   music I mean it doesn't sound like them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1299">TS</a>]

00:21:40   they're their hit song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:42   okay Torchic like their music is I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1302">TS</a>]

00:21:45   think you would like I think you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:48   like it they are their Portland there by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1308">TS</a>]

00:21:50   way of by way of Alaska while Scylla [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:53   Alaska so they're from B F motherfucking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1313">TS</a>]

00:21:58   E as we say yes in the north [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1318">TS</a>]

00:22:02   like Wasilla now is not the Wasilla of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:05   their childhoods and certainly not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1325">TS</a>]

00:22:08   was so low my child got a hell of a flag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1328">TS</a>]

00:22:10   in Wasilla am i in my life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1330">TS</a>]

00:22:13   wha Silla I mean you could you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:15   carry a gun into the 7-eleven in Wasilla [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1335">TS</a>]

00:22:17   could do that now wow you might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1337">TS</a>]

00:22:20   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1340">TS</a>]

00:22:22   working probably it's it's a wide spot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1342">TS</a>]

00:22:25   in the road yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1345">TS</a>]

00:22:26   and the road isn't very wide but those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:29   guys there they're fun they're taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:31   the piss but if you listen to the bass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1351">TS</a>]

00:22:33   sound on that track it's already a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1353">TS</a>]

00:22:38   cool sound coming out of the gate the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1358">TS</a>]

00:22:42   bass has its own tone that's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1362">TS</a>]

00:22:46   unusual for a contemporary pop song and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:50   and when it comes in the first time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1370">TS</a>]

00:22:53   really listen to the tune and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1373">TS</a>]

00:22:54   heard it start with this bass line my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1374">TS</a>]

00:22:58   feeling was there's no way they're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1378">TS</a>]

00:22:59   be able to sustain that bass sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1379">TS</a>]

00:23:02   through the track because it's it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1382">TS</a>]

00:23:05   very individual bass sound but it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1385">TS</a>]

00:23:07   that's not gonna pop that's not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1387">TS</a>]

00:23:09   punch through it's not gonna it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1389">TS</a>]

00:23:12   gonna be sufficient because it's such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:15   nuance to tone but then in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1395">TS</a>]

00:23:18   production of the song which I think was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1398">TS</a>]

00:23:21   produced by like Mike D and Danger Mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:27   mm-hmm I mean it's like oh that makes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1407">TS</a>]

00:23:29   lot of sense something right now it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1409">TS</a>]

00:23:33   very unusual bass tone yeah somehow this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1413">TS</a>]

00:23:36   totally is clunky and it's got a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:38   bit like a slap back mm-hmm and some hip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1418">TS</a>]

00:23:40   some reverb it's pretty 60 sounding it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1420">TS</a>]

00:23:43   sounds almost like flat wound strings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1423">TS</a>]

00:23:46   and you just wouldn't think that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1426">TS</a>]

00:23:50   would it would manage on on contemporary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:52   radio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:53   but the production is so good that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1433">TS</a>]

00:23:55   get that that they're able to keep this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1435">TS</a>]

00:23:57   like kind of bass sound going and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1437">TS</a>]

00:24:03   and it really propels it really propels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1443">TS</a>]

00:24:05   the song but but it's one thing to get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1445">TS</a>]

00:24:08   tone like that in the studio and be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1448">TS</a>]

00:24:10   oh that's a cool bass sound but to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1450">TS</a>]

00:24:13   commit to it stick to it and make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1453">TS</a>]

00:24:16   work I mean that's that's real artistry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1456">TS</a>]

00:24:20   and it's what distinguishes that song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1460">TS</a>]

00:24:24   from from everything else that's on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:26   radio right now which is just like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1466">TS</a>]

00:24:32   excuse me that's Carol that's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1472">TS</a>]

00:24:34   microphone you're gonna get that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1474">TS</a>]

00:24:37   this episode of Roderick on the line is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:40   brought to you by Squarespace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1480">TS</a>]

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00:32:04   don't like the sound of my own voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1924">TS</a>]

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00:32:14   a kind of I hate I hate to use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:18   phrase this is one that's gonna haunt me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:22   but it's it's a little bit flu Matic oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:27   you get a little bit rattled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:30   yeah there's just some there's some self [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1950">TS</a>]

00:32:33   ride no no I I have I have pure tone I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:39   not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:41   right no it's like a natural kind of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1961">TS</a>]

00:32:49   know amount of something I bring my I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:52   bring my whole body into the into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:54   sound if we recorded it a different time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:56   of day I'll speak for this program you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1976">TS</a>]

00:32:58   and I would probably have fewer noises [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1978">TS</a>]

00:33:00   that we're making a lot of what we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:01   making our morning noises or exam we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1981">TS</a>]

00:33:04   grown men we're grown-ass men and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:05   make morning noises I've thought about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:08   trying to record a song in them in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:12   in the early morning because the because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1992">TS</a>]

00:33:15   my voice has a very distinctive tone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:17   that I would love to capture in a song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:20   this world-weary yeah and kind of just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:22   like I could get much lower in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:25   morning just get all the Stephen Merritt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:28   kind of like in probably low voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2008">TS</a>]

00:33:30   probably but I hear you know I hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:34   people you and I both when we start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2014">TS</a>]

00:33:38   sentences sometimes you know we start up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:40   a little higher and then we come down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:42   low you're famous up there and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:54   just like a pachinko game it just serves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:56   if you just didn't like off there you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2036">TS</a>]

00:34:10   hear all those voices in the voice III I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:15   hear a lot of voiceover work being done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2055">TS</a>]

00:34:18   now I'm conscious of voiceover work and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:24   and although I do feel that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2064">TS</a>]

00:34:28   something like deeply wrong with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:30   sound of my voice I when I hear other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:32   people doing voiceover work I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:35   wait a minute mm-hmm I could certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2075">TS</a>]

00:34:37   do that better than them I mean I'd need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:40   my tooth back Oh is there a certain like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:42   Jean I think you do great without the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:44   tooth death is there a certain like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:45   genre of voiceover work where you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:46   that that's prevalent is this in link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:48   your first-person shooter games you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:49   to play could it be an ad for nachos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:51   public service announcement overhead at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:54   the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2094">TS</a>]

00:34:55   poor like what are the kinds of ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:56   that really get your goat I already do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2096">TS</a>]

00:34:58   the overhead at the airport here it's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2098">TS</a>]

00:34:59   thought I recognized that yeah hi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2099">TS</a>]

00:35:03   welcome to SeaTac Airport [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:04   don't leave your luggage from long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2104">TS</a>]

00:35:09   winter please don't leave your luggage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2109">TS</a>]

00:35:12   unattended by the baggage carousel right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:14   thank you please move to the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:16   faster people to go by on the moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:18   sidewalk hi this is John Rutter from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2118">TS</a>]

00:35:20   long winter there's no parking or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:22   waiting in the red zone hi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:26   hi this is John Roberts in long last the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2126">TS</a>]

00:35:28   white area is for loading and unloading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:32   I feel like who was the guy who was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2132">TS</a>]

00:35:36   guy from Northern Exposure that does all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:39   that voice of Hong Kong Vancouver no the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:41   other guy John John Corbett John Corbett [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:45   he's the radio boy radio show on I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:50   he had the radio she's on Corvis I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2150">TS</a>]

00:35:52   know it's been a long time since I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:53   that TV I just like saying hauling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2153">TS</a>]

00:35:55   vanqor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2155">TS</a>]

00:35:56   which one was he oh he's the older fella [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2156">TS</a>]

00:35:58   with the money the one that's like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2158">TS</a>]

00:36:02   all the movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2162">TS</a>]

00:36:04   he's the movie star he plays the millet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:07   he plays the millionaire the astronaut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2167">TS</a>]

00:36:09   is that my getting the name right what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:12   in here Master Hung we're hauling van [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2172">TS</a>]

00:36:14   cool naturalized citizen owns and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2174">TS</a>]

00:36:17   manages the brick a barn restaurant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2177">TS</a>]

00:36:19   which is the center of social life and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:20   says no that's a different that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2180">TS</a>]

00:36:22   different one he's the he's the blondie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2182">TS</a>]

00:36:23   guy he's not the you know who's the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2183">TS</a>]

00:36:26   guy that played the general in war game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2186">TS</a>]

00:36:28   so am I thinking of yeah all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2188">TS</a>]

00:36:29   that's the guy that I'm thinking of war [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2189">TS</a>]

00:36:31   games oh yeah that guy what's his name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:33   war games anyway continue so John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2193">TS</a>]

00:36:37   Corbett does a lot of I don't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2197">TS</a>]

00:36:40   hear his voice doing beer ads and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2200">TS</a>]

00:36:42   but but he's got that kind of wry like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2202">TS</a>]

00:36:45   Tom bode a sort of like we'll leave the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2205">TS</a>]

00:36:48   light on for you like folksy sort of I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2208">TS</a>]

00:36:51   feel like if you needed a folksy voice I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2211">TS</a>]

00:36:54   feel like do I have a folksy boys oh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2214">TS</a>]

00:36:57   think you're good and folksy if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2217">TS</a>]

00:36:59   choose to well yeah I mean you know hi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2219">TS</a>]

00:37:03   this is John Roderick and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2223">TS</a>]

00:37:07   that's chilling break down the tracks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:36   getting my van John Corbett is six foot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2256">TS</a>]

00:37:51   five inches tall it's all he's made of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:54   bo Derek know he's dog he's been Bo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2274">TS</a>]

00:37:57   Derek since 2002 that can't be true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2277">TS</a>]

00:38:00   what's in the internet science page it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2280">TS</a>]

00:38:03   says it look at that sold in the 90s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:08   when they were making that show they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2288">TS</a>]

00:38:12   were you know they were filming that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2292">TS</a>]

00:38:14   right here in in good old Seattle town [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2294">TS</a>]

00:38:16   right right outside of town right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:18   outside of town up in the mountains and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2298">TS</a>]

00:38:21   so he was around and I think he bought a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2301">TS</a>]

00:38:24   bar here in Seattle I think he bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:26   the the merchants cafe or something one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2306">TS</a>]

00:38:29   of those old one of the bars from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:31   school it was cools that there was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:34   know that there was a lot of scuttlebutt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2314">TS</a>]

00:38:36   around town about him and sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2316">TS</a>]

00:38:40   fact that he was you know he was sowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2320">TS</a>]

00:38:42   his Wild Oats but it was the 90s he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2322">TS</a>]

00:38:45   TV star he's born in 1961 meaning he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2325">TS</a>]

00:38:49   30 in 1991 he was at the peak of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:54   fame I bet he was I bet he was causing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2334">TS</a>]

00:38:57   real trouble around here get more tail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2337">TS</a>]

00:38:59   than Sinatra but you know I wasn't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:02   wasn't I wasn't traveling in those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:04   circles so Bo Derek's five years old he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:08   is that he's 56 she's 61 I would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2348">TS</a>]

00:39:11   guessed that she's 82 well you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2351">TS</a>]

00:39:14   sure during the peak of her fame 1979 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:18   huh she would have been ma'am what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2358">TS</a>]

00:39:22   would she have been she would have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:23   31 Alexa how old was Bo Derek in 1979 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:36   Thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:37   how old 32 years 22 wait a minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:41   that right yeah oh yeah okay 22 22 23 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2381">TS</a>]

00:39:45   according to uh the lady at two right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:47   you know if you're gonna be in a movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2387">TS</a>]

00:39:49   and run on a beach in slow motion in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:51   bikini 20 22 is kind of like that's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2391">TS</a>]

00:39:55   excellent beach running age yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2395">TS</a>]

00:39:57   a good window for that and somehow John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2397">TS</a>]

00:40:04   Corbett and Bo Derek met one another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2404">TS</a>]

00:40:07   that's what I'm curious about like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2407">TS</a>]

00:40:10   yeah I would have guessed that they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2410">TS</a>]

00:40:11   40 years apart 30 years apart yeah not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:15   much John moved to Germany returned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2415">TS</a>]

00:40:18   after wait a minute what oh that's John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2418">TS</a>]

00:40:21   Derek okay hang on okay John Corbett oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:24   she only marries John so far hey heads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2424">TS</a>]

00:40:27   up she marries John's wait a minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2427">TS</a>]

00:40:31   mm-hmm I'm still you know I still feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2431">TS</a>]

00:40:33   like Winona Ryder and I have a future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2433">TS</a>]

00:40:35   together because in 1992 yeah all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:39   John's were marrying Winona Ryder Oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2439">TS</a>]

00:40:41   actor singer guitarist okay I'm a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:45   bit lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:46   so voiceover work your sarcophaga rattle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2446">TS</a>]

00:40:51   but the thing about voiceover work is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:53   it's like all work I don't know if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2453">TS</a>]

00:40:55   know this about work ten about work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:57   there are a lot of people that want it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2457">TS</a>]

00:40:59   oh I see is always somebody hungrier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2459">TS</a>]

00:41:01   yeah people want to work and you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:04   had quite a few friends from Seattle who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2464">TS</a>]

00:41:08   reached the age of let's say 28 and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:12   felt like Seattle was too small for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2472">TS</a>]

00:41:15   and they moved they moved to other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2475">TS</a>]

00:41:18   places for instance Reggie Watts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2478">TS</a>]

00:41:19   Reginald Watts was a see a former [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:23   nemesis yeah that's right one uh one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2483">TS</a>]

00:41:26   you know he was a Seattle star he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2486">TS</a>]

00:41:31   a band called Maktoob that's German for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2491">TS</a>]

00:41:36   more tube more tube more two more tub [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:40   and he he lorded it around Seattle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2500">TS</a>]

00:41:43   pretty good but then he decided that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2503">TS</a>]

00:41:45   this town was too small and he makes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2505">TS</a>]

00:41:47   New York and it turns out he was correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2507">TS</a>]

00:41:49   and I remember saying to him even when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2509">TS</a>]

00:41:53   he was my nemesis I heard that he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2513">TS</a>]

00:41:59   moving to New York and we bumped into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2519">TS</a>]

00:42:03   each other in a party in one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2523">TS</a>]

00:42:05   situations where I was I went around a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2525">TS</a>]

00:42:07   corner and he was coming around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2527">TS</a>]

00:42:08   other corner and we literally went like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2528">TS</a>]

00:42:10   clunk huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2530">TS</a>]

00:42:11   and then we're standing there and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2531">TS</a>]

00:42:13   got to talk and there's that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:15   still that whole business between us yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2535">TS</a>]

00:42:17   and so we're standing there looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2537">TS</a>]

00:42:20   each other and I said in a way that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2540">TS</a>]

00:42:23   think I thought at the time was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2543">TS</a>]

00:42:24   generous now I realize it's a kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2544">TS</a>]

00:42:27   generosity that you know everybody's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:31   a different kind of generosity oh and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2551">TS</a>]

00:42:35   and one of the generosities that I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2555">TS</a>]

00:42:37   is that I like to give shout outs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:39   people I know people that don't give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:42   shout outs and they always wonder why it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2562">TS</a>]

00:42:46   doesn't cost you anything to say hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2566">TS</a>]

00:42:48   this person helped me or hey I wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2568">TS</a>]

00:42:51   be here if it weren't for this or that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2571">TS</a>]

00:42:53   the other kind of shout out I give is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2573">TS</a>]

00:42:55   the small one the personal one between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2575">TS</a>]

00:42:57   two people where I go you know what even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2577">TS</a>]

00:42:59   though I don't like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2579">TS</a>]

00:43:00   I admire your thing mm-hmm and so Reggie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2580">TS</a>]

00:43:03   man were standing there at this party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2583">TS</a>]

00:43:05   and looking at each other and I said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2585">TS</a>]

00:43:07   know Reggie I hear you're moving to New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2587">TS</a>]

00:43:08   York and frankly I think Seattle's too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:11   small for you I think I think you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:13   bigger than this town and I think moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2593">TS</a>]

00:43:15   teen works boat moving to New York's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2595">TS</a>]

00:43:16   right move and he was surprised because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:20   I also could have said Reginald and gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2600">TS</a>]

00:43:24   around him and I think that that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2604">TS</a>]

00:43:29   let us part on good terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2609">TS</a>]

00:43:31   yeah I feel like he was he was accepting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:34   of that as a kind of compliment I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2614">TS</a>]

00:43:36   here I think he appreciated it yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2616">TS</a>]

00:43:38   because he was you know he was on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2618">TS</a>]

00:43:40   cusp of making that move and was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2620">TS</a>]

00:43:41   probably anxious about it because now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2621">TS</a>]

00:43:44   when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:44   each other it's it's uh you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:48   long time ago but I had and not I we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:53   he and I even had mutual friends who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2633">TS</a>]

00:43:57   moved to LA during that same time too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2637">TS</a>]

00:44:00   because see how they felt Seattle was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2640">TS</a>]

00:44:02   too small for them and they were gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2642">TS</a>]

00:44:03   go down there to LA and become a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2643">TS</a>]

00:44:06   Couture's huh you got a ghost you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2646">TS</a>]

00:44:09   gonna play you're gonna play in big show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2649">TS</a>]

00:44:11   you got to go to LA that's right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2651">TS</a>]

00:44:12   hear that hear that train no I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:16   talked to some people the other day in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2656">TS</a>]

00:44:18   San Francisco who said they're rock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:20   musicians to chew and I talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2660">TS</a>]

00:44:21   this who said that you can't be a rock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:23   musician in San Francisco all right East [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2663">TS</a>]

00:44:25   Bay right you get well no you got to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2665">TS</a>]

00:44:27   move to LA oh I see how however LA has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2667">TS</a>]

00:44:30   no clubs and San Francisco still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:33   inexplicably although no rock scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2673">TS</a>]

00:44:35   anymore still has rock clubs I could not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:38   name a San Francisco band right now yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2678">TS</a>]

00:44:43   isn't that a tragedy part of it's me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:45   my age and I don't go to bottom of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2685">TS</a>]

00:44:46   hill anymore but there's a time when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2686">TS</a>]

00:44:50   there was like a dozen bands that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2690">TS</a>]

00:44:51   follow I very actively for sure oh no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:53   you were like mr. sandwich I mobbed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:55   you gotta get that you got the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2695">TS</a>]

00:44:56   slice you got orange or you got Beulah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2696">TS</a>]

00:44:58   you didn't researches so many good bands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2698">TS</a>]

00:45:00   in the early 2000s mm-hmm actions black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2700">TS</a>]

00:45:03   action slacks you know I went to school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2703">TS</a>]

00:45:05   with their drummer but San Francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2705">TS</a>]

00:45:13   still has all these rock clubs so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2713">TS</a>]

00:45:15   the San Francisco music scene right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2715">TS</a>]

00:45:16   I think is just the LA music scene just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2716">TS</a>]

00:45:19   as easy for them to go up there and play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2719">TS</a>]

00:45:21   shows like you know the kind of shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2721">TS</a>]

00:45:24   that you play when you're in a band [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2724">TS</a>]

00:45:25   which is not always a full venue you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2725">TS</a>]

00:45:28   want a place that has 200 capacity where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2728">TS</a>]

00:45:32   if there's only a hundred people there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2732">TS</a>]

00:45:34   it still feels like a good room and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2734">TS</a>]

00:45:37   there are a lot of those kind of bands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2737">TS</a>]

00:45:38   in LA that that go up in play shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2738">TS</a>]

00:45:40   anyway so a lot of I have I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2740">TS</a>]

00:45:43   pretty good handful of friends that went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2743">TS</a>]

00:45:44   down to Los Angeles to become actors can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:47   you can you would give a redacted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2747">TS</a>]

00:45:49   version of how that went mostly well it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2749">TS</a>]

00:45:54   was a time I think where there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2754">TS</a>]

00:45:56   feeling that scat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2756">TS</a>]

00:45:57   comedy was gonna be a thing that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2757">TS</a>]

00:46:01   came out of LA instead of out of New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:03   York and so there were some edgy sketch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2763">TS</a>]

00:46:07   people that went down and the edgy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2767">TS</a>]

00:46:12   sketch people very quickly transitioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:15   to I hope I can get a role in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2775">TS</a>]

00:46:18   commercial for Kodak right and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2778">TS</a>]

00:46:22   pretty soon they were just auditioning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:24   for anything and even though there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2784">TS</a>]

00:46:26   Lux 32 they were like trying to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2786">TS</a>]

00:46:30   role of the dad in the in the Palmolive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2790">TS</a>]

00:46:33   man and then pretty soon they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2793">TS</a>]

00:46:36   waiters yeah and or just each a live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:42   even on a good day on a good day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2802">TS</a>]

00:46:44   geez and what they would say is for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:46   every role that I would go audition for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2806">TS</a>]

00:46:49   there were dozens not only dozens of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2809">TS</a>]

00:46:51   people looking for that job but dozens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:54   of more handsome better educated younger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2814">TS</a>]

00:47:01   hungrier people looking for the job and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:06   it was and it just felt like wow up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2826">TS</a>]

00:47:08   Seattle I was kind of a big deal yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2828">TS</a>]

00:47:10   yeah yeah yeah I had a theatre company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:12   we had our own space we were called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:15   David Sedaris has a hilarious bit about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2835">TS</a>]

00:47:16   this from a million years ago we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:18   about when he was in high school and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2838">TS</a>]

00:47:20   think North Carolina you know he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:22   like the mopey goth kid mm-hmm like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2842">TS</a>]

00:47:25   smart mopey like ooh that guy's dark and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:27   dangerous and then he's like he's like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2847">TS</a>]

00:47:29   went to college and I'm paraphrasing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:31   here but something like he went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:32   college and like there were so many more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2852">TS</a>]

00:47:34   of him who were better at it than him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2854">TS</a>]

00:47:37   mm-hmm it sucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2857">TS</a>]

00:47:39   cuz that's your deal you got your deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2859">TS</a>]

00:47:41   like in high school you get to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2861">TS</a>]

00:47:42   deal yes you get a deal I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2862">TS</a>]

00:47:44   especially like you could you could go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2864">TS</a>]

00:47:46   paint and paint a skull on your jean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:49   jacket with the liquid paper you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2869">TS</a>]

00:47:50   probably the only guy that did that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2870">TS</a>]

00:47:51   was the only guy in Anchorage that did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:53   that yeah you come down to Seattle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2873">TS</a>]

00:47:55   everybody paper I always felt like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:59   was a big advantage to me to go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:02   Gonzaga for a couple of years because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2882">TS</a>]

00:48:06   that was during a period of my life when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:08   my only goal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2888">TS</a>]

00:48:11   was to be the one the furthest on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2891">TS</a>]

00:48:15   fringe and in Spokane and particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:19   at Gonzaga at a Catholic University a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:23   Jesuit school with a undergraduate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:25   population of 2,500 kids it was not much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2905">TS</a>]

00:48:30   effort to be the one that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2910">TS</a>]

00:48:33   farthest out and there you know there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2913">TS</a>]

00:48:37   are always going to be people that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2917">TS</a>]

00:48:38   further out in in one direction or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:41   another they're always there were always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:43   people that took more drugs than me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2923">TS</a>]

00:48:45   right or that were more like strictly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:51   edgy mm-hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:53   but in terms of being one person that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:56   was the furthest out from the from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2936">TS</a>]

00:49:00   center whilst still being in the orbit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2940">TS</a>]

00:49:04   like that was easy to be for me income [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:07   at Gonzaga if I'd been at the University [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:11   of Washington which had 40,000 students [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2951">TS</a>]

00:49:13   at that time to be that person I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2953">TS</a>]

00:49:16   have had to have been a lot more at risk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2956">TS</a>]

00:49:21   of injury first of all because I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2961">TS</a>]

00:49:26   know I would walk into a party at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2966">TS</a>]

00:49:27   Gonzaga and dude dude just that stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2967">TS</a>]

00:49:29   shit you just like break a wine bottle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:31   over your head it's much harder to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2971">TS</a>]

00:49:34   than it seems it hurts a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2974">TS</a>]

00:49:37   because in the movies of course they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2977">TS</a>]

00:49:39   make they use wine bottles that are made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2979">TS</a>]

00:49:41   to break didn't they make amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2981">TS</a>]

00:49:42   sugar making out of sugar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2982">TS</a>]

00:49:44   they don't make real wine bottles out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:46   sugar you can really knock yourself out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2986">TS</a>]

00:49:48   be an unexploited opportunity let's be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:50   honest but at you know like on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2990">TS</a>]

00:49:52   University Avenue I would have it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2992">TS</a>]

00:49:55   have I would have been even worse off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2995">TS</a>]

00:49:57   than I am I would have been missing more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2997">TS</a>]

00:49:59   teeth than I am you know and so to be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/2999">TS</a>]

00:50:04   that to be innocent speed the the weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3004">TS</a>]

00:50:06   fish in a small pond helped me I think a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:12   lot protected me and it is like being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3012">TS</a>]

00:50:16   the edgy goth kid at your high school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3016">TS</a>]

00:50:18   where you're just like it keeps you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3018">TS</a>]

00:50:21   keeps you safe I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3021">TS</a>]

00:50:23   if I'd gone to LA or even San Francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3023">TS</a>]

00:50:26   certainly New York it would have been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3026">TS</a>]

00:50:29   very different thing for me I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3029">TS</a>]

00:50:32   because the first time the long winters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3032">TS</a>]

00:50:34   arrived in New York City we had a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3034">TS</a>]

00:50:37   article in The Village Voice we played a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3037">TS</a>]

00:50:42   show our first ever show in New York and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:44   it was full and the audience all knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:47   our songs and I think it was because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:50   were from Seattle we were exotic if we'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:55   been in New York band right we would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3055">TS</a>]

00:50:58   have just been just another New York [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3058">TS</a>]

00:51:01   band to them but but now you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:06   live out on the west coast and now it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3066">TS</a>]

00:51:08   like I walk around and go oh hey this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:14   broader problem with expertise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3074">TS</a>]

00:51:18   experience and how we evaluate how we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:21   doing whatever it is that we do which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3081">TS</a>]

00:51:22   like you know when I was a weird like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3082">TS</a>]

00:51:25   eighth grader making up my own games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3085">TS</a>]

00:51:28   that I could play by myself and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3088">TS</a>]

00:51:30   reading books and like I had to sell my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:32   own kind of self-assumed self-assess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:34   idea of like how smart I was alongside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3094">TS</a>]

00:51:37   other people like I tested well and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3097">TS</a>]

00:51:39   was a reader and there's all this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3099">TS</a>]

00:51:40   but like if you expose if I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3100">TS</a>]

00:51:42   exposed to a lot of like genuinely smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:44   people maybe even people who are younger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3104">TS</a>]

00:51:46   than me I would have utterly wither and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3106">TS</a>]

00:51:48   I think when you get to something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:49   the business that is show and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:51   your friend it's show business I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:53   one of the things with that is like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:55   feel I don't know I just feel like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3115">TS</a>]

00:51:56   is such a thing with people who want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3116">TS</a>]

00:51:58   go into the arts especially is that um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3118">TS</a>]

00:52:01   being well let's even say you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3121">TS</a>]

00:52:03   talented like you're empirically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3123">TS</a>]

00:52:04   talented well there's a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3124">TS</a>]

00:52:06   who are empirically talented there has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3126">TS</a>]

00:52:08   to be some kind of and I feel you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3128">TS</a>]

00:52:11   see this in New York whether you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3131">TS</a>]

00:52:13   talking about being in plays or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3133">TS</a>]

00:52:14   delivering pizzas there's a certain kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3134">TS</a>]

00:52:16   of bare-knuckle real world reality to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3136">TS</a>]

00:52:20   having done something a lot in a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:22   place certainly you could look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3142">TS</a>]

00:52:23   something like stand-up comedy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:24   somebody you know somebody who assumes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3144">TS</a>]

00:52:26   that they're really great at stand-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3146">TS</a>]

00:52:27   versus somebody who's done it even like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3147">TS</a>]

00:52:29   20 times like there's a huge difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3149">TS</a>]

00:52:31   and I guess I feel like a lot of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3151">TS</a>]

00:52:33   comes down to not just whether you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3153">TS</a>]

00:52:34   good whether you assess that you're good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:36   how much you love and like thrive on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:40   grind of whatever that industry or job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3160">TS</a>]

00:52:43   is right and I think this goes for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3163">TS</a>]

00:52:46   a million things like you don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3166">TS</a>]

00:52:47   think you want to become like what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:50   know you don't realize like working a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3170">TS</a>]

00:52:51   lot of working in an office is not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3171">TS</a>]

00:52:53   practition of your skill that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3173">TS</a>]

00:52:55   learned it's learning how to deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:57   people and being on time for meetings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3177">TS</a>]

00:52:59   and being in your chair and all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3179">TS</a>]

00:53:00   kind of stuff where it's like well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3180">TS</a>]

00:53:02   know it's without having on-the-job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3182">TS</a>]

00:53:05   experience and exposure to the reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3185">TS</a>]

00:53:08   of a job I guess what I'm saying is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:10   somebody who's great at the hustle in LA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3190">TS</a>]

00:53:12   I'm gonna conjecture and who has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:14   right agent might get way better roles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3194">TS</a>]

00:53:16   than somebody who's empirically talented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:18   but it's not great at the hustle it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3198">TS</a>]

00:53:19   absolutely the case and obvious the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3199">TS</a>]

00:53:22   point I feel like you can really lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3202">TS</a>]

00:53:23   this and the lights is that like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3203">TS</a>]

00:53:25   reality of every job is and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:27   doesn't just come down to hustle but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3207">TS</a>]

00:53:29   it's something where you're like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:31   I don't know maybe invigorated by all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3211">TS</a>]

00:53:33   the losses somehow I but like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3213">TS</a>]

00:53:35   got to be something more like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:36   look at everybody else in that audition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3216">TS</a>]

00:53:38   and you go like all these people are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3218">TS</a>]

00:53:40   know were they're less experienced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:41   they're done in a but like they may have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3221">TS</a>]

00:53:43   some kind of a fire or grit that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3223">TS</a>]

00:53:47   just don't have that is utterly critical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3227">TS</a>]

00:53:49   for even getting your first role the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3229">TS</a>]

00:53:52   when you're young and starting out I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3232">TS</a>]

00:53:56   think it's easy to make the mistake of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3236">TS</a>]

00:54:00   thinking that the people that that what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3240">TS</a>]

00:54:03   happens is people with hustle get past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3243">TS</a>]

00:54:07   you even though you have more talent but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3247">TS</a>]

00:54:11   when you get old I think at least in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3251">TS</a>]

00:54:13   show friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3253">TS</a>]

00:54:14   I mean Oh show business sorry Sean we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:17   got that wrong I always get that mixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3257">TS</a>]

00:54:18   up you realize that the people that get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:22   past you are the ones that have hustle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3262">TS</a>]

00:54:24   and more talent like it's very rare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3264">TS</a>]

00:54:28   somebody said this to me the other day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:29   did it bother you does it still bother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:31   you that all those it was a person that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:34   was trying to compliment me about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3274">TS</a>]

00:54:36   sound of my band and they were like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3276">TS</a>]

00:54:38   you know I love your band so much does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3278">TS</a>]

00:54:39   it bother you that all those other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3279">TS</a>]

00:54:41   people got famous and there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3281">TS</a>]

00:54:43   something about the long winners that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3283">TS</a>]

00:54:45   didn't catch fire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3285">TS</a>]

00:54:46   does that like bother you and I said do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:49   you mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3289">TS</a>]

00:54:50   that it bothers me that the New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:52   Pornographers and spoon and Band of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:55   Horses and the Decembrists all got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:58   famous and not me because those bands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3298">TS</a>]

00:55:00   are all great mm-hmm like they're not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3300">TS</a>]

00:55:03   don't think that Band of Horses got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3303">TS</a>]

00:55:05   famous and the long winners didn't and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3305">TS</a>]

00:55:07   it was because they hustled it's because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3307">TS</a>]

00:55:09   they're because which put a lucky spell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3309">TS</a>]

00:55:12   on them it's cuz they worked really hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3312">TS</a>]

00:55:14   I mean they were killers like just keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3314">TS</a>]

00:55:17   the spoon the same thing I mean they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3317">TS</a>]

00:55:19   just work you know to me though great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3319">TS</a>]

00:55:21   example is always mountain goats we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3321">TS</a>]

00:55:22   like they just keep putting out records [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:24   and touring and that's today yeah I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3324">TS</a>]

00:55:26   like I mean one way to like get lucky is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3326">TS</a>]

00:55:30   to work like fucking hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3330">TS</a>]

00:55:31   well a mountain goats are mountain goats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:33   are an interesting example because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:36   people love them I know you love them I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3336">TS</a>]

00:55:40   haven't kept as much lately but I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3340">TS</a>]

00:55:42   great admiration for them yeah and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3342">TS</a>]

00:55:45   never liked them mm-hmm I just don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:47   wall I get it's not my it's not my thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:49   I don't like the sound and so that is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3349">TS</a>]

00:55:53   example of one where I go in a weak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3353">TS</a>]

00:55:56   moment I will say well yeah if you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3356">TS</a>]

00:55:58   out 40 records or whatever people will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3358">TS</a>]

00:56:02   stick with you but when I hear people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3362">TS</a>]

00:56:05   talk about them so worshipfully I also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3365">TS</a>]

00:56:08   have to realize oh that's just not I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3368">TS</a>]

00:56:11   not hearing it it's not that it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3371">TS</a>]

00:56:13   there might be Ted Leo that works really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3373">TS</a>]

00:56:19   hard he works really hard and Ted also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:23   during the authenticity Wars Ted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:26   maintains this authenticity in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3386">TS</a>]

00:56:30   that I thought with your father in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:33   authenticity Wars it's very hard you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3393">TS</a>]

00:56:36   mean Ted worked hard also to maintain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3396">TS</a>]

00:56:39   unimpeachable 'ti in the Fugazi model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3399">TS</a>]

00:56:43   where you go look those guys never they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3403">TS</a>]

00:56:47   never doesn't chisel a DC band yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3407">TS</a>]

00:56:51   oh baby see he was from I listened to an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3411">TS</a>]

00:56:56   interview with him recently it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3416">TS</a>]

00:56:57   really good but he talked about leaving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3417">TS</a>]

00:56:59   he's from Connecticut write it somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:02   new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:03   in New England and then he had moved oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3423">TS</a>]

00:57:06   no he's from Jersey I think baby oh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3426">TS</a>]

00:57:08   think you're he's in he's in Providence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3428">TS</a>]

00:57:11   now yeah don't be creepy but he's from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:14   outside problem mm-hmm he owns a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3434">TS</a>]

00:57:17   church he owns his own church not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3437">TS</a>]

00:57:20   a church it's more of a Grange Hall hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3440">TS</a>]

00:57:23   in a little old town I took you off your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:25   point when people ask you how you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3445">TS</a>]

00:57:28   about the fact that the long winters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3448">TS</a>]

00:57:31   aren't famouser alongside bands that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:34   kind of came up with how do you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:35   about that but what what ends up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3455">TS</a>]

00:57:37   happening is in the middle in the young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3457">TS</a>]

00:57:39   middle of my career there were all kinds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:42   of bands that had the same amount or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3462">TS</a>]

00:57:44   slightly more juice and energy in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3464">TS</a>]

00:57:50   local scene and in the sort of cmj [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3470">TS</a>]

00:57:54   dominated indie rock music scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3474">TS</a>]

00:57:58   nationally that I did feel that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3478">TS</a>]

00:58:00   about like why the hell are those guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3480">TS</a>]

00:58:01   getting a 1-page in magnet but the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3481">TS</a>]

00:58:06   is I had a one page in magnet I had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3486">TS</a>]

00:58:09   three page in magnet but the bands that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3489">TS</a>]

00:58:15   one out because those bands are gone now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3495">TS</a>]

00:58:17   hey Joe here's much from not a surf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3497">TS</a>]

00:58:19   these days do you still doing it they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3499">TS</a>]

00:58:22   still doing it right they're on tour in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3502">TS</a>]

00:58:23   Europe right now yeah but not a circus a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:26   good example like they were like to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3506">TS</a>]

00:58:29   maybe because I just had bar sook on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3509">TS</a>]

00:58:30   brain but like there was that time when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3510">TS</a>]

00:58:33   like you know when let go mmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3513">TS</a>]

00:58:36   came out were like they were just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3516">TS</a>]

00:58:38   omnipresent in my circles yeah and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3518">TS</a>]

00:58:41   are they always sold more records than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3521">TS</a>]

00:58:43   we did and I think they're a better band [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3523">TS</a>]

00:58:44   that we were in in all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3524">TS</a>]

00:58:47   measurements of a band their live show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3527">TS</a>]

00:58:49   we tell the drummer worked harder than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3529">TS</a>]

00:58:51   we did their songs were catch here you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3531">TS</a>]

00:58:55   could you know you can go back and forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3535">TS</a>]

00:58:57   all day I think your songs are pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3537">TS</a>]

00:58:59   good John I got to tell you you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3539">TS</a>]

00:59:00   could put but I mean you put the best 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:03   AC Newman songs up on the big board yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3543">TS</a>]

00:59:08   your catalog has got a lot of diversity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3548">TS</a>]

00:59:10   to it I was singing your praises on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3550">TS</a>]

00:59:12   podcast that'll come out Thursday about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3552">TS</a>]

00:59:15   like just the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3555">TS</a>]

00:59:17   I'm not here to blow smoke up your skirt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3557">TS</a>]

00:59:19   but like no I think you what you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3559">TS</a>]

00:59:21   released is very super interesting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3561">TS</a>]

00:59:24   diverse and very high quality and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3564">TS</a>]

00:59:26   your song writing is really really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3566">TS</a>]

00:59:28   that's what attractions to you as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3568">TS</a>]

00:59:30   performers you just saw your songs are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3570">TS</a>]

00:59:32   just so good this is a this is an issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3572">TS</a>]

00:59:35   though I think in a band because I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3575">TS</a>]

00:59:38   I like not a surf a lot but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3578">TS</a>]

00:59:41   their five best-known songs are not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:43   good as your five best non songs I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3583">TS</a>]

00:59:45   them a lot don't get me wrong but their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3585">TS</a>]

00:59:47   songs are their songs sound like not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3587">TS</a>]

00:59:51   surf song that's true like The Strokes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3591">TS</a>]

00:59:53   have no diversity what eighth notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3593">TS</a>]

00:59:56   they're into the eighth notes in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3596">TS</a>]

00:59:58   sounds all their songs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOqBMS4/3598">TS</a>]