The Accidental Tech Podcast

256: A Heroic Threshold for Pain


  so we should start tonight with a sitrep [TS]

  situation report it is Wednesday the 9th [TS]

  of January it is about 9 o'clock in the [TS]

  evening one true time zone and as of [TS]

  right now I'm still here but there is a [TS]

  50/50 shot at home can I have to run out [TS]

  of this episode in the middle of it so [TS]

  this is gonna be an adventure for all [TS]

  three and kind of four and I guess you [TS]

  could almost even say five of us I might [TS]

  need to leave Aaron might need to go to [TS]

  the hospital and spring maybe here I [TS]

  mean it is actually it is theoretically [TS]

  feasible although I certainly don't hope [TS]

  it's the case that by the time this show [TS]

  stops recording I could have needed to [TS]

  leave go to the hospital and Aaron could [TS]

  hypothetically birth our second child [TS]

  before you two shut up [TS]

  that happened before you leave the house [TS]

  let me tell you it's not even go there [TS]

  Oh God do you want to tell that story [TS]

  yeah John you have some experience with [TS]

  this and I don't think I've told that [TS]

  story at length on this podcast we don't [TS]

  need to do it today we should start with [TS]

  some follow-up though let's talk about [TS]

  meltdown Spectre and all the things that [TS]

  are happening my Tom lines a little [TS]

  fuzzy cuz I've been a bit preoccupied so [TS]

  we did have this link from Apple but [TS]

  during the last recording right it'll [TS]

  you be talking about the WebKit one no [TS]

  no this is the original official okay [TS]

  cuz the WebKit one is also excellent [TS]

  yeah I didn't get a chance to read that [TS]

  notes I've already downloaded the update [TS]

  but I didn't want to read the note for [TS]

  it it's nice that they release the [TS]

  Safari update for old OS I am on staring [TS]

  at El Cap right here and I got the [TS]

  Safari update which I mean that's [TS]

  another complaint people have about the [TS]

  spectrum meltdown thing and a whole [TS]

  Apple is handling it so like so where is [TS]

  the kernel update for any version of [TS]

  than the very very latest version of Mac [TS]

  OS that's not really how Apple rolls [TS]

  were just kind of disappointing you [TS]

  would hope that Apple would this one [TS]

  aspect that Apple should adopt a little [TS]

  bit more of the enterprising Minds had [TS]

  to say for super critical security [TS]

  things maybe consider backporting some [TS]

  number of versions instead of just [TS]

  saying no the only thing that exists is [TS]

  the very very bleeding edge you know [TS]

  was gonna Apple Apple is gonna Apple all [TS]

  right so it's can you walk me through [TS]

  the official Apple statement if you [TS]

  don't mind John [TS]

  I was nothing much there this is another [TS]

  one of these you know fairly [TS]

  straightforward explanations just so the [TS]

  last time the Apple didn't even have one [TS]

  and it was just like they were just a [TS]

  little bit late and putting it out but [TS]

  it's not a super great explanation lots [TS]

  of people have been sending links to [TS]

  explanations that help them understand [TS]

  what this is all about most of them I [TS]

  found to be not to my liking because [TS]

  like it's the difference in audience [TS]

  it's like if you if most of the words we [TS]

  said in the last shop didn't make any [TS]

  sense to you you need a different kind [TS]

  of explanation so those people who need [TS]

  that kind of explanation are the ones [TS]

  reading articles where they compare it [TS]

  to a waiter or to like music or factory [TS]

  or all sorts of things that use [TS]

  analogies to real word things to try to [TS]

  explain to people you know how [TS]

  instruction pipelines work what [TS]

  speculative execution is with branch [TS]

  prediction there's stuff like that and [TS]

  so it's it's been interesting to see the [TS]

  different variety of analogies and [TS]

  metaphors that are used in those [TS]

  articles but apparently a lot of them [TS]

  are really helping people understand [TS]

  this in a way that for example our [TS]

  previous show would not have and did not [TS]

  so we apologize for that but we're glad [TS]

  there's lots of good explainers out [TS]

  there for you [TS]

  I think the Raspberry Pi folks had yeah [TS]

  one of the more popular let's say [TS]

  laypersons explanation of it with it [TS]

  with a great capper at the end where [TS]

  they say after many many paragraphs of [TS]

  laborious explanation raspberry pi [TS]

  doesn't suffer this because we use CPUs [TS]

  that don't have speculative execution [TS]

  which is not really something to brag [TS]

  about because that means they use cheap [TS]

  very old very weak CPUs [TS]

  because you know raspberry PI's is a [TS]

  small cheap low powered thing but that's [TS]

  it's nice for them let's see what else [TS]

  what else has come out about this in the [TS]

  meantime oh the second length here and [TS]

  the same topic is this is the best web [TS]

  page I found showing what the speed hit [TS]

  is on the Mac for the patches that work [TS]

  around this [TS]

  and as always it's not you know there's [TS]

  no clear-cut answer so as the summary of [TS]

  this set this article says the main [TS]

  question to be answered is if the [TS]

  performance impact exists yes it is very [TS]

  clear you want three graphs there's the [TS]

  performance impact is it relevant it [TS]

  depends and that's the worst kind of [TS]

  ants what do you mean it depends it [TS]

  really totally depends and exactly what [TS]

  you're doing [TS]

  exactly how many system calls you're [TS]

  making another interesting thing to come [TS]

  out of this article is another [TS]

  measurement of the performance hit of a [TS]

  PFS virtues versus HFS+ which like they [TS]

  weren't intending to measure that but [TS]

  they sort of accidentally did when they [TS]

  compared like sierra to high sierra [TS]

  without the patch to high sierra with [TS]

  the patch the the performance impact of [TS]

  a PFS the negative performance impact of [TS]

  a PFS encrypted a PFS far outweighs the [TS]

  impact of this security patch so I don't [TS]

  know if we've talked about that before [TS]

  but a BFS in general it's lower than [TS]

  HFS+ and most of the benchmarks which I [TS]

  would think it to be expected because [TS]

  hfs+ was a file system that was tuned to [TS]

  be acceptable fast on a computer and [TS]

  like you know 1989 or whatever so it's [TS]

  massively overmatched by the the power [TS]

  we have now and a PFS has way more [TS]

  features in it so a more modern file [TS]

  system and so it's not going to be as [TS]

  fast as something that used to run [TS]

  really well on a Mac se hopefully AP FS [TS]

  will get faster in the future right but [TS]

  you know it's very new but it just plain [TS]

  does more it has more features than HFS+ [TS]

  and more safety the space great [TS]

  peripherals are selling for hilarious [TS]

  prices on ebay the three of us were kind [TS]

  of giggling about the thought that oh [TS]

  since these are so rare that they may [TS]

  command I mean probably will command [TS]

  some amount of premium over what a [TS]

  regular device would look like so quick [TS]

  refresher the iMac pros since it's that [TS]

  sexy Space Gray the peripherals also [TS]

  have to be sexy Space Gray and by [TS]

  default you can order the computer with [TS]

  a a 10 what do you call full-size now so [TS]

  not a 10 kilos a full-size bluetooth [TS]

  Apple keyboard and either a Magic Mouse [TS]

  or Magic Trackpad or you can optionally [TS]

  for some amount of money I don't [TS]

  remember how much you can get both the [TS]

  trackpad and the mouse these are only [TS]

  available if you buy a imac pro so [TS]

  naturally there [TS]

  very fancy and special somebody is dug [TS]

  up some eBay listings that if you're [TS]

  listening to this far in the future will [TS]

  probably not be available but a triplet [TS]

  of magic keyboard trackpad and mouse is [TS]

  not going for went as of yesterday for [TS]

  $1,080 so that's $1,000 for a fact pad a [TS]

  keyboard and a mouse oh and presumably a [TS]

  light a bespoke lightning cable actually [TS]

  oh the black lightning cable of course I [TS]

  refuse to believe these are real people [TS]

  these have to be speculators but there's [TS]

  at least like if you if you search a [TS]

  base sold items for like Space Gray [TS]

  Magic Trackpad you get all these [TS]

  listings and it's there's no that's why [TS]

  I put this in there because we thought [TS]

  they wouldn't sell for that much and [TS]

  they totally are selling for a lot of [TS]

  money the question is who are they [TS]

  selling to and that's the second [TS]

  everything is like so are real people [TS]

  actually putting this much talking eyes [TS]

  or is it speculation where people [TS]

  believe that this will be a high ticket [TS]

  item for a long time I continue to [TS]

  believe that Apple will eventually that [TS]

  Apple will eventually allow you to buy [TS]

  peripherals that are this color [TS]

  separately which will of course destroy [TS]

  the market for these things so I hope [TS]

  the people who bought them are able to [TS]

  resell them at a profit before that [TS]

  happens but I don't know when that will [TS]

  happen [TS]

  presumably I mean this is kind of like [TS]

  trying to be like an iPhone speculator [TS]

  like unlike the biggest market for these [TS]

  things is behind us and it's going down [TS]

  everyday not up so like anybody buying [TS]

  these for this price like they're the [TS]

  worst speculators in the world like it's [TS]

  like if these are only gonna get more [TS]

  common and more available over time like [TS]

  they're and they're really cool right [TS]

  now or really two weeks ago because [TS]

  they're brand new and no one's seen them [TS]

  before in these colors but like that is [TS]

  a very temporary thing the window of [TS]

  time to make a profit there is very [TS]

  short the only way would work is if if [TS]

  Apple never makes another space gray [TS]

  computer with space Berger who's like if [TS]

  the iMac Pro like they continue to make [TS]

  the iMac Pro but it changes color and [TS]

  this was like the only generation of [TS]

  these things then you could have some [TS]

  value but just ask somebody [TS]

  Stephen Hackett with an Apple TV not [TS]

  that one no no not that one no the other [TS]

  one No [TS]

  that one the black known up this black [TS]

  one I don't know how to refer to the [TS]

  Apple TV it was a giant macintosh [TS]

  computer that could also be a television [TS]

  it was also hideously was also black and [TS]

  it was from and that was it there wasn't [TS]

  like a huge collection of black desktop [TS]

  macintosh computers surrounding that [TS]

  even that doesn't every tain its value [TS]

  that well so i mean now marco you've got [TS]

  me convinced now I'm starting to hope [TS]

  that these are really are individual [TS]

  people because like if they're [TS]

  speculators they're probably going to be [TS]

  disappointed but if they're individuals [TS]

  maybe they're happy with their thousand [TS]

  dollar purchase of a keyboard and mouse [TS]

  thing yeah like lightning and black [TS]

  Apple stickers we forgot about that you [TS]

  can get those at the Mac Pro though [TS]

  those are dime a dozen just go by a [TS]

  trash can yeah you know I'll throw in [TS]

  and buy some black stickers I'll throw [TS]

  in a trash can for free so regardless as [TS]

  of the time of this recording that full [TS]

  set went for $1000 a trackpad is for [TS]

  sale for 310 dollars or more and a magic [TS]

  mouse is for sale for $295 or more and [TS]

  really while you guys were talking it [TS]

  occurred to me that that if they're in [TS]

  really and truly loved me she would go [TS]

  ahead and have this baby immediately [TS]

  because I'm going to be purchasing my [TS]

  false set from under score and he has [TS]

  told me that he will bring them down [TS]

  when he comes to visit to meet sprigs so [TS]

  the quicker that she can pop this baby [TS]

  out the quicker I can get my fancy black [TS]

  peripherals so really this is this is [TS]

  all about me and that's that's what she [TS]

  really needs to be considerate of I mean [TS]

  there is a faster way to get them the [TS]

  auction spend I believe it's Apple calm [TS]

  slash iMac - Pro - buy or something yeah [TS]

  yeah it's alright so many five times [TS]

  expensive is the peripherals by [TS]

  themselves that isn't that a reasonable [TS]

  I already bought mine from Jason by the [TS]

  way I use the the Apple messages payment [TS]

  that I was that the first time I use it [TS]

  maybe I sent Casey someone it is called [TS]

  Apple pay cash and I have now sold two [TS]

  computers with it anyway a mine is on my [TS]

  way to me my keyboard just the keyboard [TS]

  itself I did not pay $1000 Jason took [TS]

  pity on you had answered no I'm not [TS]

  going to sell the keyboard it's not for [TS]

  sale I just noticed today I had a friend [TS]

  of mine had purchased for me a couple of [TS]

  pieces of clothing [TS]

  from the Apple park visitors center and [TS]

  I paid him with Apple pay cash [TS]

  apparently disclosed at some point that [TS]

  I'd forgotten or just not well disclosed [TS]

  that if you use a credit card for Apple [TS]

  pay cash there's a 3% service charge [TS]

  which I was not aware of so this $50 [TS]

  transaction was like a $52 transaction [TS]

  not a big deal but it was very [TS]

  surprising when I'm looking at my [TS]

  iMessage history and seeing it was you [TS]

  know 50 dollars and 20 cents or whatever [TS]

  that wasn't hell it was and then I'm [TS]

  looking at my bank statement saying it [TS]

  was $52 again whatever the numbers were [TS]

  and I did not expect that so pro tip if [TS]

  you're going to be using Apple pay cash [TS]

  use a debit card but did you get [TS]

  frequent flyer miles or Amazon Prime [TS]

  points or cash back to offset that 3% [TS]

  now I will eventually get a smattering [TS]

  of cash back probably lessons yet but [TS]

  you're not gonna get 3% this is the [TS]

  entire rack of the credit card business [TS]

  is like you know they they have these I [TS]

  forget where they call interchange fees [TS]

  something like that look as part of that [TS]

  3% and and it's like but usually the [TS]

  vendor pays it not you yeah there's no [TS]

  way to charge to charge money to a [TS]

  credit card without somebody paying a [TS]

  fee of at least around two and a half [TS]

  percent depending on you know their [TS]

  their merchants deal and everything it's [TS]

  like someone's paying that some way or [TS]

  if using a credit card debit cards are [TS]

  all different and don't work that way [TS]

  bank transfers are different and don't [TS]

  work that way but credit cards all work [TS]

  that way like someone is paying that fee [TS]

  jhanas right usually it's the vendor in [TS]

  this case you know it's like if you want [TS]

  the person to receive this money then [TS]

  you have to pay the fee you know if you [TS]

  wanted to receive 50 bucks and not 47 or [TS]

  whatever you know you you're paying 50 [TS]

  to to give them 50 but that's just the [TS]

  nature of credit cards and sending money [TS]

  online [TS]

  yeah I'm not you know like disappointed [TS]

  by this or if I am I'm just pointing [TS]

  myself for not having remembered but it [TS]

  was something that I did not expect so [TS]

  this is your PSA ladies and gentlemen [TS]

  use a debit card if you can also note [TS]

  that the rewards that you're gonna get [TS]

  for that are probably not exceeding [TS]

  about 1.5% [TS]

  it's that would like the really good [TS]

  rewards end up being along the lines of [TS]

  1.5% [TS]

  anybody out there who thinks like oh [TS]

  I'll pay the surcharge for something but [TS]

  I'll get it back and rewards no you [TS]

  won't [TS]

  the house always wins we had a couple of [TS]

  people write in that are either ex Apple [TS]

  geniuses or Apple [TS]

  geniuses and they made the same point [TS]

  which was part of the reason that Apple [TS]

  geniuses tend to be reluctant to do a [TS]

  battery replacement is that often times [TS]

  that isn't really the problem you know [TS]

  sometimes a slowdown or or perhaps a [TS]

  really tough battery situation is [TS]

  because you've been playing a shedload [TS]

  of Pokemon go and you didn't disclose [TS]

  that when you were talked in the genius [TS]

  and the easier answer rather than either [TS]

  charging Apple money or charging the [TS]

  customer money even more importantly is [TS]

  to just say hey maybe cool it on the [TS]

  couch in the pokey man's maybe that'll [TS]

  do a little better for you so they that [TS]

  was an interesting point I hadn't [TS]

  considered yeah like it's like you said [TS]

  it we got this feedback a lot and it's [TS]

  not like they're refusing to do it for [TS]

  your own good it's the what they're [TS]

  trying to avoid is a situation where a [TS]

  customer comes in and says I have a [TS]

  problem and then the customer this must [TS]

  happen all the time the customer decides [TS]

  they know what the solution did the [TS]

  problem is this isn't exclusive to [TS]

  battery it's just whatever anything it [TS]

  could be your car or a vacuum cleaner or [TS]

  whatever you know customer has a problem [TS]

  and customer says and by the way I'm [TS]

  also sure I know how to fix this problem [TS]

  I want you to replace the belt on my [TS]

  whatever I want you to you know give me [TS]

  a new whatever like they they have [TS]

  diagnose the problem they know exactly [TS]

  what's wrong and they just say look just [TS]

  don't don't give me a runaround just you [TS]

  know put a new battery in my car right I [TS]

  mean deal listen working over these [TS]

  stipulation cars you know what I mean [TS]

  that's what volt thing [TS]

  what acid oh I have one of those too [TS]

  yeah maybe maybe the problem is like an [TS]

  engine control unit or maybe it's a [TS]

  gasket that's blown over and like so the [TS]

  person who wants to look at your assets [TS]

  let us the car fixing experts look at [TS]

  your car and run all or a little [TS]

  Diagnostics and we'll tell you what's [TS]

  wrong with that but no no the customer [TS]

  says I don't care what you find I know [TS]

  that this is exactly what I need and [TS]

  service centers or Apple or whatever are [TS]

  reluctant to do that because if I say [TS]

  okay we'll do it and they do it even if [TS]

  they do it for free but but especially [TS]

  if they charge you to do it right and [TS]

  then they give the thing back to you and [TS]

  say okay we did what you asked we [TS]

  replaced your whatever here you go then [TS]

  they come back the next day and said the [TS]

  problems still there and now you have [TS]

  the argument it's like well you know we [TS]

  didn't say this would fix your problem [TS]

  but you insist [TS]

  did we do this because you thought it [TS]

  would fix your problem but it turns out [TS]

  it didn't and that's a conversation you [TS]

  never won't have with the customer [TS]

  because they're gonna be like I don't [TS]

  care about the globe lock [TS]

  so what Happel wants to do is you [TS]

  customer just describe your problem and [TS]

  then we'll figure out what it takes to [TS]

  fix it whether that's gonna give you a [TS]

  completely new device or replace a bunch [TS]

  of parts or whatever it's gonna be but [TS]

  if you come to us and demand we do a [TS]

  specific thing especially if you demand [TS]

  we do it for free under warranty it [TS]

  could just be a waste of both of our [TS]

  times so that's all well and good and we [TS]

  heard that from a lot of people and I [TS]

  know I know where they're coming from [TS]

  and sometimes I know where customers are [TS]

  coming from because sometimes I'm that [TS]

  customer who says look I just just do [TS]

  this just just replace this thing I [TS]

  won't yell at you if it doesn't work [TS]

  what I'm pretty sure this is it but my [TS]

  question to a couple these Apple [TS]

  geniuses was okay fine whatever say [TS]

  somebody comes in like I did and says [TS]

  there's nothing wrong with my phone I [TS]

  don't actually have a problem all I want [TS]

  to do is give you money and exchange for [TS]

  that money you take out the battery [TS]

  that's in there and put in a new one and [TS]

  for the most part the appletinis has [TS]

  said yeah we'll do that like as long as [TS]

  we're all on the same page that there's [TS]

  not an actual problem that we're trying [TS]

  to solve like there's no acknowledged [TS]

  problem at all it's just a thing you [TS]

  want to happen not gonna do it under [TS]

  warranty for free if there's no problem [TS]

  obviously because that's just wasteful [TS]

  and that was one angle that some people [TS]

  brought up is the waste of like if you [TS]

  have a perfectly good battery us [TS]

  replacing it even if you pass is not [TS]

  particularly environmentally conscious [TS]

  because batteries are all filled with [TS]

  the you know heavy metals and other [TS]

  things that are not great so why would [TS]

  you take a perfectly good battery and [TS]

  throw away and replace it with another [TS]

  one so I kind of see that angle too but [TS]

  in the end I feel like if someone comes [TS]

  in with a lot of money especially it was [TS]

  $80 and not thirty and says my phone has [TS]

  no problems but please replace don't [TS]

  matter you should do so and like I said [TS]

  I did that and they did replace it for [TS]

  me but there was a weird pause about it [TS]

  so it would be better if there was less [TS]

  mystery surrounding this process and it [TS]

  would be much better if more customers [TS]

  knew how how accessible battery [TS]

  replacements are for their iOS devices [TS]

  of course this or I should say it use [TS]

  past tense how accessible they were [TS]

  because the other strain of feedback we [TS]

  got is from long-suffering Apple retail [TS]

  employees who are now in the midst of [TS]

  what they described as a [TS]

  situation where many many angry [TS]

  customers are coming to the stores [TS]

  wanting new batteries and they don't [TS]

  have any new batteries and there's like [TS]

  a week-long wait time and people are [TS]

  super angry and like I want my free [TS]

  battery and the public understanding of [TS]

  this problem as we predicted is not very [TS]

  good people are just angry and just want [TS]

  either new batteries for free or new [TS]

  phones and they're even more angry when [TS]

  you tell them that even if we could give [TS]

  you what you want you have to wait a [TS]

  week so for Apple but it's kind of their [TS]

  own deal this is kind of it reminds me [TS]

  of the Takata Takata whatever it is [TS]

  airbag recall because I got a notice for [TS]

  my car jeez I'm gonna say like a year [TS]

  ago maybe even more that oh your airbag [TS]

  is screwed up and hey it may kill you [TS]

  but there's nothing we can do about it [TS]

  right now because we don't have any and [TS]

  it wasn't replaced until just a couple [TS]

  of months back that to me is a far more [TS]

  egregious issue in that if I got in an [TS]

  accident the airbag that's supposed to [TS]

  save my life might actually injure me [TS]

  whereas this is just oh my phone isn't [TS]

  working as quickly as I want and man I [TS]

  took a lot I've heard a lot of grumpy [TS]

  people that were upset at me for not you [TS]

  know taking Apple you know behind the [TS]

  shed and shooting it in the face or [TS]

  whatever because I was not extremely [TS]

  drunk about this battery issue that [TS]

  analogy fell off fell down as soon as I [TS]

  open my mouth interesting child [TS]

  discipline technique that fell down as [TS]

  soon as I open my mouth but it was too [TS]

  late but anyway we'll fix it in post the [TS]

  point I'm driving up there was really [TS]

  grumpy I know we want that that were [TS]

  real grumpy that I wasn't that I wasn't [TS]

  grumpy about this you know slow down [TS]

  thing and I'm sorry but like hey I'm [TS]

  sorry if an older phone isn't as fast as [TS]

  it once was like everyone needs to take [TS]

  a damn chill pill it's frustrating yes [TS]

  but holy cow people are really worked up [TS]

  about this it's not an airbag it's not a [TS]

  malfunctioning seatbelt it's a telephone [TS]

  it'll be okay speaking of cars and [TS]

  recalls I have an annoying experience [TS]

  with my Honda recently they had some [TS]

  recall thing and I was I was think I was [TS]

  going in for regular service anyway or [TS]

  maybe he was just encouraging me to go [TS]

  in but it was some recall Mike fine [TS]

  whatever do my recall thing it's free [TS]

  you know not a big deal was like a [TS]

  battery it was one of those paranoid [TS]

  things were like if you get a bunch of [TS]

  salt on this battery terminal it could [TS]

  potentially spark and do a blah blah [TS]

  blah and it's like that's never gonna [TS]

  happen [TS]

  like yes there's salt everywhere but I'm [TS]

  not afraid my thing is gonna explode you [TS]

  can you know I could see the battery [TS]

  it's sitting right there it's not in [TS]

  danger of spewing flame anyway whatever [TS]

  so fine they do some battery terminal [TS]

  watch your mozi and I thought was fine [TS]

  and then like two months later I get [TS]

  another recall message and like oh I can [TS]

  ignore that I already did that recall [TS]

  and wherever like no this is a different [TS]

  recall like for the same thing for the [TS]

  battery terminal and my vague [TS]

  understanding of this I was mostly just [TS]

  too annoyed to look into it very deeply [TS]

  was that the first recall was like a a [TS]

  temporary patch where they just threw [TS]

  some goop on something or sealed [TS]

  something up to prevent this potential [TS]

  sparking giant explosion from the [TS]

  battery because they didn't have enough [TS]

  of the replacement part that they wanted [TS]

  that they should have replaced it with [TS]

  and the second recall is hey guess what [TS]

  we got the replacement parts now so come [TS]

  back in and we'll get rid of that little [TS]

  temporary fix we did and put in the [TS]

  replacement part I suppose it's nice [TS]

  that they would do two recalls are free [TS]

  but as anyone where the car knows it you [TS]

  know even more so than with phones and [TS]

  maybe equally so with an all-in-one [TS]

  computer like Marcos iMac the worst part [TS]

  of any of these things is having to go [TS]

  in to the dealer or having to go in at [TS]

  all doesn't really matter what they do [TS]

  when they're there or if it costs no [TS]

  money the time and hassle of just [TS]

  getting the car to the dealer and [TS]

  waiting while they do whatever it's so [TS]

  much worse than any other aspect of the [TS]

  experience that it almost doesn't matter [TS]

  what they do so you had to go to the [TS]

  dealer two times at least with the Apple [TS]

  thing you only have to go once unless I [TS]

  suppose you take it two hour drive to [TS]

  the mall get there and find out they [TS]

  tell you that you have to come back in a [TS]

  week when they have batteries in stock [TS]

  yeah I've had similar issues with [TS]

  service issues with Tesla like they just [TS]

  are out of every part ever all the time [TS]

  and like they had a batter if they had a [TS]

  parking brake recall last summer I still [TS]

  haven't gotten done I'm still waiting [TS]

  for them to call me told me to have my [TS]

  part in like I've called him like every [TS]

  like three months or so to check on this [TS]

  meantime don't park on Hills but oh yeah [TS]

  it was apparently a minor thing but like [TS]

  like I also I order [TS]

  snow tires on in like early December [TS]

  sometime and when you order something [TS]

  from Tesla's online parts store [TS]

  something like that that like has to be [TS]

  installed somehow somewhere what they do [TS]

  is they just deliver it to your local [TS]

  service center and then they call you [TS]

  and/or email you when it's ready to and [TS]

  you set up an appointment to get it [TS]

  installed so what are these snow tires [TS]

  in early December time goes by i got [TS]

  nothing i get no emails there's no order [TS]

  status lookup page there's nothing like [TS]

  this is it's like it's like an online [TS]

  store designed in 1992 like there's like [TS]

  it's the most bare-bones thing ever you [TS]

  halfway expect to see a clear form [TS]

  button on the bottom like it's that it's [TS]

  that bare-bones yeah so like middle of [TS]

  last week I'm like you know it's snowing [TS]

  constantly I really could use the snow [TS]

  tires where the heck are they [TS]

  and I still had nothing from Tesla and I [TS]

  got an email saying please rate your [TS]

  recent service experience at Tesla and I [TS]

  couldn't get any service recently I [TS]

  wonder if maybe their system just didn't [TS]

  send me that email screwed up in all [TS]

  these different ways but maybe it [TS]

  thought that them arriving at the [TS]

  service center was a service visit and [TS]

  generated that email so I called the [TS]

  service center and sure enough they're [TS]

  like oh yeah we have them in now like oh [TS]

  just been showing out thanks for telling [TS]

  me [TS]

  they're the office mascot now you're for [TS]

  snow tires yeah oh yeah when do you want [TS]

  to come and have them install everything [TS]

  with Tesla service and parts is a [TS]

  disaster and just trying to get things [TS]

  there and availability everything's [TS]

  constantly back ordered and like the [TS]

  cars are so great I'm so happy with the [TS]

  car but God if you ever need to wait for [TS]

  a part it's not good experience yeah [TS]

  it's alright so tell me about iPhone 10 [TS]

  screen burnin the question we had about [TS]

  the apples for solid phone oh it has [TS]

  burning issues supposedly were spell [TS]

  burnin issues than LCD and but of course [TS]

  Android phone said had all its greens [TS]

  for a long time so presumably it was a [TS]

  known quantity this is the first test [TS]

  I've seen of an actual iPhone 10 versus [TS]

  a couple of popular Android phones with [TS]

  OLED screens for burnin unfortunately it [TS]

  is [TS]

  all in what are we gonna say is that [TS]

  Chinese Korean I'm not good at looking [TS]

  at a text and telling exactly what [TS]

  sighing Korean age you look for the [TS]

  closed circles because there's this [TS]

  looks more Korean to me but I'm not sure [TS]

  yeah Chinese and Japanese don't have the [TS]

  closed circles thingy identified [TS]

  Japanese the best anyway all that is to [TS]

  say I don't know what it says except [TS]

  what Google Translate tells me there's a [TS]

  YouTube video and an article but the [TS]

  upshot of it appears to be that the [TS]

  iPhone 10 resisted burning much much [TS]

  better than the two other Android phones [TS]

  that they tested they they had it on [TS]

  full brightness on the same image for [TS]

  like hundreds of hours to get very mild [TS]

  burnin so it looks pretty good probably [TS]

  probably better than like say my iPad 3 [TS]

  or many other past LCD iOS devices that [TS]

  I found suffer pretty severe image [TS]

  retention after a couple of years [TS]

  obviously this iPhone 10 is a new ish [TS]

  it's not a three-year-old iPhone 10 but [TS]

  compared to its compared to a couple of [TS]

  contemporary phones it looks like it's [TS]

  pretty good so I think Apple got a [TS]

  pretty good screen here chat room says [TS]

  Korean survey circles close circles [TS]

  that's the secret we are sponsored this [TS]

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  people see them they always ask what are [TS]

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  they say are those for extra prints [TS]

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  to his grandparents these make such good [TS]

  gifts now even though it's after the [TS]

  holidays there's going to be times [TS]

  throughout the year where you should get [TS]

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  edge and these thin pieces of glass they [TS]

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  because it's a very thin piece of glass [TS]

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  like a like a foam core kind of board [TS]

  behind it so you don't have the the [TS]

  weight of like having it be all like [TS]

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  don't to worry about it like fogging [TS]

  left your wall breaking etc they're [TS]

  wonderful trust me if you want photos [TS]

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  thanks so much to fracture for [TS]

  sponsoring our show I do have a very [TS]

  quick very quick review of my iMac pro [TS]

  after finally having a week of like real [TS]

  use in this week I have done lots of [TS]

  podcast editing I have done Xcode work [TS]

  programming work with with iOS apps with [TS]

  my one iOS app and I have also done a [TS]

  lot of video transcoding I ripped a [TS]

  couple of blu-rays and did some video [TS]

  transcoding work including some pretty [TS]

  heavy ones like trying to do h.265 and [TS]

  everything else I have yet to hear the [TS]

  fan spin up like I have thrown [TS]

  everything I can at this CPU granted I [TS]

  have almost done almost nothing to the [TS]

  GPU because that's you know my workload [TS]

  is typically very CPU heavy and pretty [TS]

  light on the GPU oh I also imported I [TS]

  think 400 pictures from the sony a7r 3 [TS]

  which we got to and did Brent had [TS]

  Lightroom render one-to-one previews on [TS]

  import which I usually do for various [TS]

  reasons so I threw everything I could at [TS]

  the cpu I've seen all the cores either [TS]

  be maxed out or be almost maxed out for [TS]

  sustained periods I cannot get the fan [TS]

  to spin up into it to a level that it's [TS]

  audible did you play games no of course [TS]

  not I don't play games [TS]

  but it was play some games why we know [TS]

  that we have intend to switch it's the [TS]

  best it's the best game platform ever [TS]

  why would I play the game to my computer [TS]

  because it you want to stress this the [TS]

  CPU and the GP [TS]

  at the same time double the heat no but [TS]

  I don't care dude you play game on your [TS]

  fax machine like no just this is for [TS]

  science not for you it's for science [TS]

  anyway so all this is to say that so far [TS]

  in my in my week of using this computer [TS]

  pretty heavily I'm just incredibly happy [TS]

  with it it is so good it is so fast it [TS]

  is so quiet it is it and it's just it [TS]

  just has no limits for me like not [TS]

  everything is perfectly fast and stable [TS]

  but that's that's down to software not [TS]

  hardware like it is just so damn good [TS]

  I'm incredibly happy with the iMac Pro [TS]

  and I would say it is [TS]

  I wouldn't say extremely likely that I [TS]

  wouldn't ever need another Mac Pro again [TS]

  but ok but it is everyone marked this [TS]

  down I'm just saying it is somewhat [TS]

  likely that I might not need the Mac Pro [TS]

  mmm well I don't need the Mac Pro but I [TS]

  might not want a knife or after that's [TS]

  like this is so so damn good that even [TS]

  though I mean I think you know John's [TS]

  assertion last episode was correct that [TS]

  there's pretty much no chance if I don't [TS]

  at least buy the Mac Pro so so I am I am [TS]

  probably gonna buy it but man this is [TS]

  good and anybody who thinks oh maybe [TS]

  this won't be as good as the Mac Pro I [TS]

  should wait honestly I don't think you [TS]

  need to wait this is the new Mac Pro for [TS]

  all intents and purposes and it's so [TS]

  good that if you have a need for this [TS]

  kind of computer right now just get this [TS]

  it's amazing I'm glad you like it I [TS]

  really am I think it's hilarious that [TS]

  you think you would even for a fleeting [TS]

  moment say no to a Mac Pro I mean this [TS]

  is like when I was talking about the [TS]

  Apple watch that I didn't want like [TS]

  three or four things in a row that I [TS]

  told everyone I didn't want and then [TS]

  ended up immediately reneging on the X [TS]

  yeah exactly I don't think I want a I [TS]

  don't think I want a home pod so let's [TS]

  just put that on record right now I [TS]

  don't think I do either you have no [TS]

  problem sticking to that one I've never [TS]

  ship it a good point but I think it's [TS]

  pretty obvious that both of us will end [TS]

  up with a home pod so to address me [TS]

  mania in the chat can you functionally [TS]

  tell this is a much better computer than [TS]

  the reg [TS]

  I'm AK without benchmarking or stress [TS]

  testing that's a very good question you [TS]

  can tell that just whenever you do [TS]

  anything multi-threaded it is notice [TS]

  it'll be faster obviously because I'm [TS]

  going from four cores to ten so like [TS]

  you're gonna see that difference like [TS]

  that that's a big difference it also you [TS]

  know besides like you know the cosmetic [TS]

  stuff like the space grain everything it [TS]

  also just being able to operate no [TS]

  matter what you throw at it in silence [TS]

  is a pretty big difference from the 5k [TS]

  iMac the 5k iMac for all like as I [TS]

  mentioned last episode I you know [TS]

  haven't used the computer for three [TS]

  years it's a great computer and for a [TS]

  lot of people that is plenty that's fine [TS]

  but the one thing that always got me [TS]

  about it that was not true of Mac Pros [TS]

  is that it what you would hear the fan [TS]

  spin up up and down up and down as you [TS]

  if you if you were pushing the CPU [TS]

  really hard for things you'd hear the [TS]

  fan come up and down with it [TS]

  where is with this that doesn't happen [TS]

  so that is a pretty big difference if [TS]

  you're if you're doing things that [TS]

  really stress it and if you care about [TS]

  fan noise if one of those things is not [TS]

  true for you then you're fine with the [TS]

  with the regular Mac and but it's you [TS]

  were definitely getting something for [TS]

  the additional money here in addition to [TS]

  the performance increases in the [TS]

  different architecture and you know the [TS]

  ECC and stuff like that I would say the [TS]

  the the ability to run in that silence [TS]

  could easily come to the iMac to the [TS]

  regular iMac if they redesigned it [TS]

  thermally to be more like this but they [TS]

  can't do that as far as I can tell until [TS]

  they remove all ability to put a three [TS]

  and a half inch hard drive in there [TS]

  because if you look at how the internals [TS]

  of these things are laid out the reason [TS]

  the iMac Pro is able to cool itself to [TS]

  not only to cool itself with just such a [TS]

  high thermal load with always all these [TS]

  high-end components in it but I think [TS]

  one of the reasons they're able to do it [TS]

  so quietly is because they have a giant [TS]

  heatsink and fan assembly located right [TS]

  in the middle of the back the thickest [TS]

  part of the enclosure and that is right [TS]

  where the three and a half inch hard [TS]

  drive goes in a regular iMac so if they [TS]

  continue to ship IMAX with hard drive [TS]

  options available look honestly I think [TS]

  the time for that is just about done you [TS]

  know probably the next major generation [TS]

  of iMac I assume they're probably going [TS]

  to drop the hard drive [TS]

  and if they do then they can adopt this [TS]

  kind of thermal design and then they can [TS]

  run it in silence to the other place [TS]

  people might notice the speed difference [TS]

  on that I mic Pro which is unfortunately [TS]

  undercut by an even more dramatic speed [TS]

  differences if you do if if you're [TS]

  coming from a computer like a like a [TS]

  iMac 5k or even older that has a [TS]

  spinning Drive even if it's in a fusion [TS]

  drive configuration and you do lots of [TS]

  reading and writing very large files and [TS]

  I was gonna say oh you really noticed [TS]

  that when you duplicate a three gig file [TS]

  but unfortunately a PFS makes [TS]

  duplicating a three a file in same [TS]

  volume instantaneous so it kind of kills [TS]

  your ability to see that benchmark or [TS]

  I'm getting out is that the SSDs in the [TS]

  iMac Pro are very very fast especially [TS]

  for large bulk transfers of huge files [TS]

  it could be that it ends up being you [TS]

  know if you've not cooked up the 10 gig [TS]

  Ethernet your three gigs per second of [TS]

  disk i/o you're never you're never gonna [TS]

  see that you're never gonna see it on [TS]

  the same volume because the a BFS will [TS]

  instantly copy it and you're never gonna [TS]

  see it across the wire because you're [TS]

  limited by the speed of Ethernet but [TS]

  rest assured that the disk is much [TS]

  faster so if you do things that have do [TS]

  a lot of i/o it's hey just reading a [TS]

  very large file into RAM or saving out a [TS]

  large file you may notice those progress [TS]

  bar speed up and that's not a [TS]

  multi-threaded thing it's just like you [TS]

  know if you ever used it staring in a [TS]

  progress bar when disk i/o is going on [TS]

  that progress bar should go faster on [TS]

  the iMac Pro than it does on other [TS]

  computers but yeah if you're if you're [TS]

  just running single threaded [TS]

  applications the iMac pro is actually [TS]

  slower than the 5k I'm the top-end 5k [TS]

  iMac for some single-threaded tests [TS]

  depending on how many cores you get it [TS]

  but it's all it's all about the [TS]

  multi-core and I suppose if you're doing [TS]

  anything having to do the GPU the GPU in [TS]

  the iMac Pro even though marker never [TS]

  uses it to do anything except for show [TS]

  windows on his screen is way way faster [TS]

  than the 5k I'm max I think Lightroom [TS]

  uses it well plus I've heard reports [TS]

  from marco from underscore and from [TS]

  Jason Snelling out how much faster [TS]

  ffmpeg is and in transcoding video is on [TS]

  their fancy-pants iMac pros and pretty [TS]

  much everyone is has independently [TS]

  concluded that it's about twice as fast [TS]

  as their prior 5k IMAX now I think [TS]

  everyone had older 5k iMac Siddhant I [TS]

  have but nevertheless it's basically a [TS]

  2x improvement and that makes me sad [TS]

  because [TS]

  although I don't transcode stuff as much [TS]

  as I probably paint it I do it often [TS]

  enough that I wish I had more speed with [TS]

  which to do it but do I want do you [TS]

  spend 5000 plus dollars to transcode [TS]

  videos quicker no no I don't speaking of [TS]

  spending a shitload of money Marco tell [TS]

  me about your camera I love that's my [TS]

  name voice comes out of that phrase it [TS]

  sure does [TS]

  so sometime last year I described that I [TS]

  had sold my my formerly beloved Sony a7r [TS]

  to just even hack it incidentally [TS]

  because I was not happy with its speed [TS]

  and battery life were the two big issues [TS]

  with it and I had gone back to Canon [TS]

  SLRs back from from whence I came and [TS]

  and I was very happy with the handling [TS]

  and everything of Canon SLRs I was never [TS]

  as happy with the pictures I would get [TS]

  out of the Canon SLRs because the Sony [TS]

  had not only a pretty big megapixel [TS]

  advantage and the camera talking about [TS]

  on account side is the 5d Mark 4 which [TS]

  is an amazing camera and so but the main [TS]

  problem was that it doesn't it didn't [TS]

  have the megapixels it did have the [TS]

  anti-aliasing filter over the sensor so [TS]

  it was you couldn't quite get the the [TS]

  level of sharpness out of out of the [TS]

  Canon and it didn't have as advanced of [TS]

  an autofocus system and so my my hit [TS]

  rate was not as good it also didn't have [TS]

  him body stabilisation so like it also [TS]

  just kind of further lowered the hit [TS]

  rate and it couldn't quite achieve the [TS]

  high ISO numbers or dynamic range and [TS]

  shadows that the Sony could it was very [TS]

  close but but it was you know it was a [TS]

  noticeable downgrade in those areas but [TS]

  I was happy with the Canon because it [TS]

  was just so much more pleasurable to use [TS]

  because everything was so much faster [TS]

  and it handled so much better and [TS]

  everything and and I would still stand [TS]

  by the fact that if you are shooting [TS]

  events like if you're some kind of pro [TS]

  role I think the Canon line is still [TS]

  what you want and maybe Nikon - I'm [TS]

  sorry Nikon fans I don't know anything [TS]

  about a Nikon really I rented d750 [TS]

  and it was great but when it came time [TS]

  to buy I i wasn't that convinced by the [TS]

  lens line-up for what I actually would [TS]

  want in my lenses and so I didn't I [TS]

  didn't go an icon at any of these points [TS]

  but anyway the the main problem I had [TS]

  with the Canon again was just that I [TS]

  wasn't getting my favorite images out of [TS]

  it like I as I was looking back like [TS]

  most of my most of my favorite images [TS]

  were shot by the Sony and the Canon [TS]

  Canon was so much more pleasurable to [TS]

  use and way faster and the battery life [TS]

  was way better but I I just was not [TS]

  getting images that blew me away out of [TS]

  it [TS]

  it really is made for pro use and that's [TS]

  where it really does excel but that's [TS]

  not what I needed I really just wanted a [TS]

  camera that gave me shockingly good [TS]

  images that just made me feel something [TS]

  good they were and the Canon just didn't [TS]

  do that late last late in 2017 it's like [TS]

  you know a couple months ago Sony [TS]

  announced the a7 r3 and it doesn't [TS]

  actually change that much from the a7 r2 [TS]

  but two of the big things that changes [TS]

  are battery life and performance the two [TS]

  big problems I have in video yeah it's [TS]

  the same sensor a couple of minor [TS]

  improvements here and there but for the [TS]

  most part it's it's fairly similar but a [TS]

  battery that's like two and a half times [TS]

  the size and the and and a significantly [TS]

  upgraded image processor and interface [TS]

  and everything else so it's just a lot [TS]

  snappier I decided since Christmas the [TS]

  Christmas season is by far my heaviest [TS]

  photography time I decided right before [TS]

  Christmas you know what let me try it [TS]

  because one thing I did when I left the [TS]

  Sony ecosystem I kept my two favorite [TS]

  lenses the 35 2.8 and the 55 1.8 primes [TS]

  I kept both of those thinking you know [TS]

  if I ever go back I'll have these lenses [TS]

  I want to rebuy them if I don't go back [TS]

  after a couple years I'll sell them [TS]

  they'll still have a lot of value and [TS]

  it's not going to matter whether I sell [TS]

  them now or in a year or two so I still [TS]

  had the lens so all I did was buy the [TS]

  body and I figure you know what let me [TS]

  try it if it's terrible I can return it [TS]

  or sell it or something and so I shot [TS]

  all through Christmas with it and it is [TS]

  fantastic it is [TS]

  so so good it is still not to the levels [TS]

  of performance and battery life that the [TS]

  Canon offers that that most SLRs can [TS]

  offer but it's now close enough it's now [TS]

  like those things are not huge [TS]

  hindrances that annoy me while using it [TS]

  they're just now very minor you know [TS]

  limitations but it's a it's a massive [TS]

  difference in those two areas and I have [TS]

  taken shots that I just love from this [TS]

  camera or like it is just so good and [TS]

  because of the features it offers and [TS]

  some other performance areas it offers [TS]

  especially in regards to auto focus [TS]

  features auto focus performance and [TS]

  low-light performance and embody [TS]

  stabilization it is just an incredibly [TS]

  high keeper rate of what I shoot [TS]

  compared to you know my regular SLR use [TS]

  so I'm now back in the Sony world I [TS]

  guess and it's really really a very good [TS]

  camera and it is not cheap none of this [TS]

  stuff is cheap I mean it's the camera is [TS]

  like three thousand dollars and the [TS]

  lenses I just mentioned I think are [TS]

  seven or eight hundred dollars each [TS]

  this is not a cheap thing to do but no [TS]

  camera that offers this level of [TS]

  performance is cheap you know the Canon [TS]

  s laws aren't cheap either [TS]

  so you know within the realm of what you [TS]

  get I think it is well priced and it is [TS]

  really really good and I'm very glad I [TS]

  have it so what does TIFF think of it [TS]

  because she was even when you had the [TS]

  the art - she was the SLR the Canon SLR [TS]

  die hard who didn't want to come over to [TS]

  the Sony side of the fence with a [TS]

  mirrorless side of the fence even yeah [TS]

  she very much prefers the canons but she [TS]

  said over Christmas that she was glad [TS]

  that I got this because it is the the [TS]

  Sony has pretty big advantages when [TS]

  you're shooting indoors in low-light [TS]

  which a lot of our Christmas shooting is [TS]

  exactly that [TS]

  and so and and it's also just you know [TS]

  small and unobtrusive and easy to handle [TS]

  and easy to like have around like in the [TS]

  living room while we're opening gifts [TS]

  and stuff like that so it's like it was [TS]

  a very very good camera for our needs [TS]

  for Christmas and so even though it is [TS]

  not her favorite camera the rest of the [TS]

  year she was [TS]

  very happy I have it and and you know [TS]

  it's gonna continue to be my camera [TS]

  basically and the canons will resume [TS]

  being her cameras the way that used to [TS]

  be but yeah she's got year-round to use [TS]

  the camera if he doesn't like yeah [TS]

  pretty much I mean and and she's not as [TS]

  good on you though and she's that that I [TS]

  that I don't no longer need to use hers [TS]

  don't laugh of that you didn't get that [TS]

  reference I didn't know I was laughing [TS]

  at your voice really trust me that was a [TS]

  dead-on imitation of the thing I was [TS]

  referencing good congratulations [TS]

  I give you one point as far as you know [TS]

  is dead-on [TS]

  yeah God have mercy on your soul [TS]

  actually that was no points that's right [TS]

  yep anyway alright so you like your [TS]

  camera that's good so what are the one [TS]

  of the complaints about other than cost [TS]

  like so are you are you a hundred [TS]

  percent happy now or outside of the fact [TS]

  that you're broke or are you just ninety [TS]

  percent happy I'm pretty happy I mean [TS]

  the battery life is now good enough like [TS]

  it's it's the point where you can I was [TS]

  able to shoot with it like all day and [TS]

  not have to not have to swap batteries [TS]

  and and that's that's way different than [TS]

  the a7r to you know like I left the a7r [TS]

  to when it when it came out it came with [TS]

  two batteries in the box that's how bad [TS]

  the battery life is on the ASMR true [TS]

  that they ship it with two batteries [TS]

  like I've never seen any electronic of [TS]

  any kind that came with two of its own [TS]

  batteries because the battery life was [TS]

  so bad they knew you would need both [TS]

  like I've literally never seen that [TS]

  before or since but you know this would [TS]

  only comes with one for a reason like [TS]

  you really don't like one is fine I have [TS]

  a second one just cuz I was afraid so I [TS]

  buy the second one I'm like I did swap [TS]

  it a couple times like during downtime [TS]

  on Christmas Day like when we had like [TS]

  you know you know no need to shoot for [TS]

  like 20 minutes I would swap anyway but [TS]

  I didn't need to and it's I swapped [TS]

  twice and I like compared like the you [TS]

  know that the percentage is like oh I [TS]

  didn't need I didn't even need to swap [TS]

  at all this is this is great so battery [TS]

  life huge thumbs up the performance of [TS]

  things like you know reviewing images [TS]

  quickly to make sure like you got the [TS]

  focus right and everything it is way [TS]

  faster than it was it also has a pretty [TS]

  good feature we're in a seventh this is [TS]

  this is really nitpicky and no one who [TS]

  doesn't own this believe [TS]

  care but quickly this is a pretty big [TS]

  upgrade the a7 r2 if you would try to do [TS]

  something while it was writing to the [TS]

  card it would say operation not [TS]

  available for a lot of things that you [TS]

  try to do this wooden doesn't do that [TS]

  anymore that's a huge so like that's [TS]

  like a big waiting point from a seven or [TS]

  two that is gone in a seven are three so [TS]

  anyway stuff like that if there's [TS]

  there's a number of big and small [TS]

  improvements that remove tons of [TS]

  friction and annoyances from this camera [TS]

  that that wood that were there in the a7 [TS]

  r2 and these are seven or two is an [TS]

  awesome camera already like so to be [TS]

  able to improve on its so substantially [TS]

  in only I think two years from the [TS]

  original release like that's pretty good [TS]

  so very very happy at the moment I [TS]

  really have no major complaints about it [TS]

  good [TS]

  did they change the interface the the [TS]

  horrible as far as I'm concerned [TS]

  like menu system interface the Sony [TS]

  thing oh yeah it changed it from one [TS]

  disaster to another so it's a it's a [TS]

  lateral move it's it's different I don't [TS]

  think it's better but it is different so [TS]

  I had to learn where to find things all [TS]

  over again was that under the suitcase [TS]

  on screen 7 yeah it looks like they [TS]

  added that a little joystick to the back [TS]

  of it too for like focus moving and [TS]

  stuff yes I don't really use that very [TS]

  often but it is nice when you need it [TS]

  I've ever replaced the weird Sony af/mf [TS]

  switch with a switch with a button in [TS]

  the middle of it that's gone oh yeah the [TS]

  weird yeah the DMF thing that's now [TS]

  that's in the menu somewhere I don't [TS]

  know it's I usually keep it in [TS]

  continuous focus and I used that middle [TS]

  button for I odo focus you ever use iota [TS]

  focus is that on this I always use I [TS]

  autofocus that's one of the things that [TS]

  makes the focus engine so awesome on [TS]

  this do what button do you have that [TS]

  assigned to I just have it on all the [TS]

  time least on my camera I think it's a [TS]

  bunny I've decided to I know they [TS]

  upgraded it in some way for this I [TS]

  wasn't I never used it on the two so I [TS]

  don't know if it's that different in [TS]

  that way but yeah the eye priority [TS]

  autofocus is great and and I use it [TS]

  frequently it's because I'm my camera [TS]

  you do it half button-down it will never [TS]

  do I autofocus you have to press another [TS]

  button that you assigned to be idle [TS]

  focus and then the little green square [TS]

  zooms right it on their eyeball [TS]

  you know it's doing it like you get the [TS]

  tiny little green square yeah baby I'm [TS]

  not doing it face thing because there's [TS]

  face priority autofocus I have that [TS]

  always enabled them but there might be a [TS]

  different thing [TS]

  yeah the focus you'll know you're doing [TS]

  it because it makes the the green focus [TS]

  rectangle literally the size of the like [TS]

  their iris and it just pin pinned onto [TS]

  their iris alright I'll play with it [TS]

  because I guess you get like the whole [TS]

  face as the green rectangle yeah the [TS]

  reason I bring it up is because I used [TS]

  that middle they used that button in the [TS]

  middle of the af/mf switch to be my eye [TS]

  autofocus which cuz it's like a thumb [TS]

  thing but now with that button gone [TS]

  number place but the joystick I'm not [TS]

  sure what I'd press although you have [TS]

  those programmable buttons like yeah [TS]

  there's there's like six different [TS]

  buttons you can program to do whatever [TS]

  you want so it's there's you definitely [TS]

  have options also one thing with the [TS]

  battery life being so much better it [TS]

  allows me to turn on features that the [TS]

  a7 r2 had but that I didn't use because [TS]

  it would kill the battery more so one [TS]

  example of that is I believe it's called [TS]

  pre AF where like that kind of tries to [TS]

  keep auto focus in a in a reasonably [TS]

  ready state before you actually push the [TS]

  button halfway down like just as you're [TS]

  looking around in through the viewfinder [TS]

  that I can now leave on because the [TS]

  battery is not so bad that you have to [TS]

  like turn off half the features to [TS]

  conserve battery life and that's Prius [TS]

  Wow that's fine yeah did you did they [TS]

  make the the grip figure on the body to [TS]

  like the little part you grab with your [TS]

  right hand is it like poke out from the [TS]

  camera more I no longer have the two so [TS]

  I can't do a side-by-side comparison but [TS]

  the whole camera body got slightly [TS]

  deeper so maybe oh like the overall grip [TS]

  on it might be slightly bigger but it's [TS]

  not a it's not a huge difference it's [TS]

  right affair where they put the two and [TS]

  a half times this big battery like the [TS]

  batteries in that grip like the part [TS]

  where you hold it so the hole where the [TS]

  battery goes has to be bigger so maybe [TS]

  the grip is bigger I think that's why [TS]

  the whole body is bigger honestly it's [TS]

  it's mostly too for the others also now [TS]

  a dual card slots the cards have the [TS]

  bottom card has UHS - it has like the [TS]

  whole extra row terminals so does the [TS]

  iMac Pro card reader so that's way [TS]

  faster now the camera also has USB 3 and [TS]

  it has both a micro USB and a USB C port [TS]

  either [TS]

  which can be used to power the computer [TS]

  to power the camera charge the battery [TS]

  and transfer photos that's nice USB CN [TS]

  cameras I dream every time you look in [TS]

  that terrible microUSB whatever that [TS]

  connector is it always feels like it's [TS]

  broken and you have to stare out for 10 [TS]

  minutes to make sure you before you try [TS]

  to jam it in [TS]

  yep that's a big that's that's a big [TS]

  like quality of life improvement and and [TS]

  like just a having the camera be able to [TS]

  charge yourself over USB which the two [TS]

  could do but canons can't that's I love [TS]

  that feature alone cuz that means for [TS]

  you know most places you would bring it [TS]

  you don't have to bring a separate [TS]

  battery charger unless you really need [TS]

  like super fast charging wild one [TS]

  batteries in use but you know if you now [TS]

  hold on I think you're under playing [TS]

  this even with your amount of enthusiasm [TS]

  my beloved and I love this camera my [TS]

  Olympus om-d am has an external battery [TS]

  charger that is not terribly small and [TS]

  the cable is not terribly conducive to [TS]

  being wrapped up cleanly and nicely it [TS]

  drives me insane and I would give almost [TS]

  anything to be able to charge the [TS]

  battery within the camera itself that [TS]

  that in and of itself would make me give [TS]

  all of my money to Sony or you know [TS]

  Olympus or what have you so I could be [TS]

  so I could charge the stupid batteries [TS]

  in the camera that's tremendous most [TS]

  Sony's offer that feature whether we [TS]

  including John's I believe right yeah [TS]

  but before you say that though you [TS]

  should consider what like I don't know [TS]

  who came up with this design it really [TS]

  wasn't Sony but anyone who has a camera [TS]

  fancy or otherwise probably familiar [TS]

  with the idea of a panel somewhere on [TS]

  your camera probably with like a [TS]

  fingernail Ridge on it that they expect [TS]

  you to like disengage somehow and then [TS]

  it just swings out of the way on this [TS]

  flimsy single pivot and hopefully [TS]

  doesn't crack off like the doors you [TS]

  have to move to get and the USB things [TS]

  are like the worst design flimsiest most [TS]

  terrifying they're going to snap off of [TS]

  my $3,000 camera in two seconds if I'm [TS]

  not careful doors and it doesn't have to [TS]

  be that way like it's possible to make a [TS]

  sturdy door covering a bunch of ports [TS]

  but cameras don't they they do like [TS]

  literally the I was like by how little [TS]

  material can we attach this flimsy [TS]

  plastic door to our camera can we do it [TS]

  by like us like a human hair then do [TS]

  that and [TS]

  and and then you can't quite sewing them [TS]

  totally out of the way I'll tell you [TS]

  what though I've never had one break [TS]

  I know because everyone is super careful [TS]

  with them you treats them with kid [TS]

  gloves like oh this looks delicate so [TS]

  you're super careful with it the one on [TS]

  my camera is actually not that bad it [TS]

  actually slides like back and then out [TS]

  and it's almost like a double hinged [TS]

  thing but I see the picture of the a7r [TS]

  three it's good three giant flimsy [TS]

  they're all doors all connected at one [TS]

  point all which partially block the [TS]

  ports unless you like twist them like [TS]

  720 degrees around like rotate them out [TS]

  of the way until you find the position [TS]

  where they're not blocking in the ports [TS]

  I really wish they would fix that [TS]

  remember I'm not asking for waterproof [TS]

  cameras here I'm just saying like make [TS]

  the doors a little bit more a little bit [TS]

  more sturdy to match the rest of the [TS]

  camera looks pretty rugged like but [TS]

  those those doors no good Wow well I [TS]

  wish you didn't like this camera as much [TS]

  as you do markers I was hoping you'd be [TS]

  like oh no it's still no good I go back [TS]

  to my Canon because now I want this [TS]

  camera it cost too much money I mean [TS]

  that would be funnier on the show if I [TS]

  did that but unfortunately I don't I [TS]

  don't see it happening I'm I'm just so [TS]

  much happier with like as I said like [TS]

  the a7 r2 was such a great camera but [TS]

  just was let down by a few of its you [TS]

  know lacking technologies or choices and [TS]

  this one fixes them all so it's it's [TS]

  really good [TS]

  you were pessimistic about it too by the [TS]

  way when the camera came out like oh no [TS]

  one had gotten to test it yeah you were [TS]

  like oh no it's probably not gonna be [TS]

  that great maybe the battery life's [TS]

  better but whatever but I won't because [TS]

  we had and we had an ASCII TP question [TS]

  like three four months ago when it came [TS]

  out from somebody saying am I gonna get [TS]

  it and and it's yeah at the time I said [TS]

  like I'll see what the reviews say but I [TS]

  don't think it would be a better enough [TS]

  battery or better enough performance to [TS]

  make it worth it and then all the all [TS]

  the early reviews were so glowing and [TS]

  positive especially on those two fronts [TS]

  that and actually what made me get it [TS]

  was one of the reviews that said the [TS]

  little nitpicky thing I said earlier [TS]

  where like you can keep navigating menus [TS]

  while it's writing to the card as soon [TS]

  as I read that I'm like oh my god [TS]

  huge difference buying it have you tried [TS]

  the insane frame rate for the burst [TS]

  photos anything no I don't I don't [TS]

  usually do high-speed burst I think you [TS]

  can go up to like 10 frames a second [TS]

  something like that it goes way higher [TS]

  than you [TS]

  really want it too like the iPhone goes [TS]

  pretty insanely high too but like you [TS]

  know I'd do lots of burst photos so do [TS]

  action photos like you know at the ocean [TS]

  during occasion I don't think I've ever [TS]

  gone above the mid setting which is like [TS]

  half of the rate that my camera is able [TS]

  to do and I think this one is able to [TS]

  it's you practically take like slow-mo [TS]

  movies with the number of frames for a [TS]

  second it's it's pretty ridiculous [TS]

  yeah I don't like the iPhone you don't [TS]

  have like keep only one frame from the [TS]

  burst you have to sort through all nine [TS]

  hundred photos you just took by holding [TS]

  down the shutter button for three [TS]

  seconds and every one of them's like a [TS]

  45 megabyte Raphael that takes Lightroom [TS]

  like 10 seconds to burst burst photos [TS]

  especially at the highest speed or it's [TS]

  like a like a stress test for your [TS]

  ability to do pics from your own photos [TS]

  right because you have to go through [TS]

  like a hundred pictures all of which are [TS]

  nearly identical to each other and [TS]

  decide to want this one and that one [TS]

  this one or that one there's no like [TS]

  they're practically identical the two [TS]

  pixels different which one do I delete [TS]

  it's lots of fun [TS]

  yeah I have rarely found bursts [TS]

  worthwhile I used to like back when I [TS]

  was like when I was in like earlier in [TS]

  my photography hobby like you know 5 10 [TS]

  years ago I would I would I kept it in [TS]

  continuous shooting mode and would [TS]

  frequently shoot like a 3 or 4 picture [TS]

  burst or whatever I was getting and that [TS]

  would be over about a second [TS]

  but over time why I first of all I just [TS]

  kind of got better at timing it and so I [TS]

  didn't need the bursts as much but also [TS]

  I realized like I was never it was never [TS]

  worth the time or the storage overhead [TS]

  or the processing overhead you know I [TS]

  wasn't getting enough out of it so I [TS]

  just switched to single shot most of the [TS]

  time and it's totally fine well for [TS]

  sports you still need a burst like [TS]

  that's what I'm using people are in [TS]

  motion playing a sport or running or you [TS]

  know jumping in the ocean waves bursts [TS]

  is the way to go because this is just no [TS]

  other way to get the shot that you want [TS]

  but get burst is that knowing is [TS]

  anything for situations where people are [TS]

  not performing a sport because if you [TS]

  end up like with three pictures of [TS]

  everybody yeah yeah burst makes a lot of [TS]

  sense for like for like pros or people [TS]

  shooting soccer or pros shooting soccer [TS]

  but yeah my family is not that high [TS]

  motion I would recommend it even if you [TS]

  know people like playing badminton in [TS]

  the backyard of the family gathering try [TS]

  it burst for those things [TS]

  for people doing sports if they're [TS]

  performing a motion like they're you [TS]

  know swatting it the little birdy thing [TS]

  or they're hitting a volleyball or [TS]

  blocking a jump shot even just the burst [TS]

  of three or four you know usually all of [TS]

  them are crap but every once in a while [TS]

  one of them is good and you realize if I [TS]

  had taken a single shot the odds of me [TS]

  getting that one or good so when people [TS]

  are in motion in very bright sunlight [TS]

  obviously you know you use that a that [TS]

  sport preset on your Sony camera that [TS]

  you know cranks down the the shutter [TS]

  speed and turn on burst mode not on the [TS]

  high setting because then you'll get [TS]

  like every hair moving on their body but [TS]

  just on the you know on the mid or low [TS]

  setting to get a couple of choices [TS]

  that's how I've gotten most of my good [TS]

  oh Sh in pictures because you're in [TS]

  waist deep in the ocean and waves are [TS]

  crashing on people you need a couple you [TS]

  need a burst to get anything good out of [TS]

  that and you know very often both ends [TS]

  of the burst they're garbage so you're [TS]

  like boy it's a good thing it's a good [TS]

  thing I got that middle part there if I [TS]

  had just put the shutter down when I [TS]

  thought it was happening you got one [TS]

  picture odds of it being good or very [TS]

  small nostalgia knowing the chat [TS]

  suggests maybe you could binary search [TS]

  through the burst all right start in the [TS]

  middle is what I want before and after [TS]

  there's a problem is the judgment the [TS]

  problem is the judgment the judgment [TS]

  call like you will get down to sort of [TS]

  more or less the portion of the pose [TS]

  that you want but then you will have [TS]

  five pictures to choose from that if you [TS]

  had to put them side by side you'd be [TS]

  hard-pressed to say are these the same [TS]

  picture or are they different yeah I [TS]

  think if you're getting that little [TS]

  variation then either your frame rate is [TS]

  too high or you don't need to be [TS]

  shooting bursts as long as I don't go [TS]

  above mid because these things the [TS]

  framer I forget what it is it think it's [TS]

  like is is it like 40 or 60 I don't know [TS]

  it I know a stir then the the aim-9 is [TS]

  the sport oriented model that one I [TS]

  think can go faster [TS]

  I think the a7 r3 is either like 7 or 10 [TS]

  frames a second but the a9 I think might [TS]

  be 15 or 20 no it's gotta be fast in [TS]

  that mine is faster than that is it [TS]

  because the giant sensor can't get the [TS]

  data onto the card I believe it can't [TS]

  get data off the sensor fast enough [TS]

  I think that's usually the limitation [TS]

  yeah no - fasten like I said a smaller [TS]

  sensor and we're not talking about video [TS]

  we're talking about like photos yes yeah [TS]

  camera just plain old photos yeah ok [TS]

  there's a 9 is up to 20 frames a second [TS]

  anyway [TS]

  10 10 pictures for 1 second goes by [TS]

  faster than anything [TS]

  it is 10 yeah so a seven are three is [TS]

  ten a nine is twenty speaking of video [TS]

  have you shot any video with it are you [TS]

  still just iPhone only for that [TS]

  I'm just iPhone only for that I really I [TS]

  don't shoot and I know this is like it's [TS]

  weird like high-end cameras like this [TS]

  have themselves in a weird market where [TS]

  basically around the time of the canon [TS]

  5d mark ii which came out in 2008 the [TS]

  the SLR market shifted dramatically [TS]

  because the mark 2 was the first confer [TS]

  swath available SLR that could shoot [TS]

  really good video and like so good that [TS]

  it was actually better than a lot of pro [TS]

  video cameras at the time and that trend [TS]

  has continued and while pro video [TS]

  cameras now you know have are now better [TS]

  in certain ways and certain things a lot [TS]

  of video is shot on SLRs and high-end [TS]

  mirrorless cameras like a lot of pro [TS]

  level video is shot using these cameras [TS]

  and so video dictates a lot of their [TS]

  feature set because that's the people [TS]

  who actually buying these things so it's [TS]

  funny like it's hard to find good [TS]

  reviews of these cameras if you're not [TS]

  into video because so many of their [TS]

  reviews focus so heavily on videos so [TS]

  that so many the buyers are there's so [TS]

  many features or for some of the changes [TS]

  are every year [TS]

  I really don't shoot video with fancy [TS]

  cameras very often and it's not because [TS]

  it's not good it looks great when you do [TS]

  it it's because I'm not a good enough [TS]

  videographer to do it and if i just [TS]

  shoot video with my iphone it turns out [TS]

  way better because the iphone does a way [TS]

  better job at autofocus and also the [TS]

  iphone tends to be way better at oh and [TS]

  also it has built-in stabilization of [TS]

  course but also the iphone is way better [TS]

  at audio like whatever it does with its [TS]

  built-in mics and the noise cancellation [TS]

  that it does between them it is way [TS]

  better at its built-in audio than the [TS]

  crappy little built-in mics that are on [TS]

  SLRs and granted per video people don't [TS]

  use the built-in mics released they [TS]

  shouldn't so you know there's not much [TS]

  of a market demand for the camera makers [TS]

  to make their camera built-in mics [TS]

  awesome but if you're just a casual [TS]

  person shooting with what you have in [TS]

  your hand without any external equipment [TS]

  the iPhone will shoot way better video [TS]

  and way better audio along with it then [TS]

  most of these cameras will do you know [TS]

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  [Music] [TS]

  so programming note baby you know but I [TS]

  think we should choose wisely so I want [TS]

  as I have arm benders we have different [TS]

  goals here your goal is to end the show [TS]

  early my goal is to have you have to [TS]

  leave the show to have a baby if because [TS]

  I think that would be amazing [TS]

  we're gonna avoid that we just jump to [TS]

  ask ATP immediately and then we'll check [TS]

  back in and see how we're doing all [TS]

  right [TS]

  then you'll just research it all on post [TS]

  no we'll just have a longer after-show [TS]

  yeah all right okay with that we'll just [TS]

  keep going me out for sure until that [TS]

  baby comes down yeah so Casey tell us [TS]

  more about your Jeep Wrangler ambitions [TS]

  well I saw a broken-down Wrangler were [TS]

  on a tow truck bad the other day I [TS]

  thought of you thanks buddy I saw I saw [TS]

  a Wrangler with purple I assume LED [TS]

  rings on the headlights during the day [TS]

  so I was like during the day but there's [TS]

  two purple circles look I think that's I [TS]

  think that uh that that's now stock on [TS]

  the newer ones not purple of course but [TS]

  like the new ones I think do you have [TS]

  like angel eyes style I might be wrong [TS]

  about that so double check my work on [TS]

  that but I think that might be stock now [TS]

  that's anyway I love that like the the [TS]

  Jeep Wrangler if you just look in like [TS]

  not only how they can be configured [TS]

  stock but like just look at what people [TS]

  do to them after the fact and it's just [TS]

  a wonderful tour of bad decisions and [TS]

  bad design spectacular the purpose isn't [TS]

  to be luxurious and fancy the purpose is [TS]

  to break hopefully not itself but [TS]

  whatever well unfortunately breaks [TS]

  yourself quite often it occurred to me I [TS]

  think was earlier today that I don't [TS]

  want the Accord because you can't get [TS]

  any of the nice fancy bits with it with [TS]

  the one I would get I may or may not [TS]

  want the Wrangler because it has [TS]

  obviously as much as I'm trying to [TS]

  defend it a whole world of its own [TS]

  problems I don't want to go far because [TS]

  I want a sunroof I really friggin love [TS]

  Sun roofs you can think I'm weird you [TS]

  can think I'm crazy I like a sunroof it [TS]

  makes me happy I'm with you on that so [TS]

  nerves are awesome right so in the go [TS]

  far you can't get with sunroof so what [TS]

  do i I'm out of options I either go BMW [TS]

  and hey [TS]

  myself slash maybe get a divorce or I [TS]

  get like a GTI which is wrong wheel [TS]

  drive and not as fast then I'll hate [TS]

  myself for not having to go no what do [TS]

  you do [TS]

  what do you do I'm not that's a [TS]

  rhetorical question keep fixing your car [TS]

  until something better comes along [TS]

  that's probably the answer but at that [TS]

  point I'm gonna run out is my Mac Pro [TS]

  technique it's a very very good point [TS]

  well or ultimately keep fixing your car [TS]

  until you are like Consulting [TS]

  millionaire and you can buy Julia yeah [TS]

  that's the answer actually that doesn't [TS]

  have sunroof either anyway I know I mean [TS]

  in a week it didn't bother sunroofs [TS]

  think I'm a nerdy sunroof well cuz [TS]

  you're tall and you hate things alright [TS]

  there's nothing worse than having your [TS]

  hair touches a headliner [TS]

  that is the best summary of your [TS]

  perspective on on Sun roofs is you're [TS]

  tall and you hate things no it's true [TS]

  have you a Marco hasn't for various [TS]

  reasons but have you ever had your hair [TS]

  a touch the headliner at a car oh it's [TS]

  infuriating but I have a couple of [TS]

  friends I guess just one in particular [TS]

  that I'm thinking of that is about the [TS]

  same height as you so I'm like six-foot [TS]

  give or take in inch depending on the [TS]

  day and you're what six - is that right [TS]

  yeah but I got more neck above the belt [TS]

  line anyway the point of driving at is [TS]

  is that he hates Sun roofs because [TS]

  sunroof Sun roofs whatever because he's [TS]

  constantly complaining and moaning about [TS]

  his head hitting the the headliner [TS]

  because apparently it's worse when you [TS]

  have a Sun roof I don't really [TS]

  understand that since there's yeah it [TS]

  intrudes into the interior space is why [TS]

  I never buy cars with sunroofs because [TS]

  it makes it makes most cars fit me with [TS]

  no sunroof as soon as you put the [TS]

  sunroof in edits the headliner almost [TS]

  always no matter how low you can make [TS]

  the seat go it's true even true in [TS]

  Honda's yeah because like they don't [TS]

  make the car like surface thicker and [TS]

  they don't make the car taller they just [TS]

  make it intrude into the interior space [TS]

  and they don't make that they don't make [TS]

  the seats go down lower either like they [TS]

  could do that could say okay on the [TS]

  sunroof models the seat goes down an [TS]

  extra two inches but they don't yeah the [TS]

  problems of tall people yeah well I [TS]

  thought I had the poof of your hair of [TS]

  the two of us but you know whatever I [TS]

  used to have the movie hair my youth see [TS]

  this is only a problem [TS]

  if you are tall and have tall hair you [TS]

  don't need to have tall hair if you're [TS]

  at if your physical skull it's the [TS]

  headliner which can happen depending on [TS]

  the car doesn't matter what your [TS]

  hairstyle is but it's almost worse when [TS]

  your skull doesn't end it but your hair [TS]

  just barely hits it because it's it's [TS]

  all staticky and it pull it's it's the [TS]

  worst it's the worst yeah I really feel [TS]

  bad for you guys that's that sounds all [TS]

  good you should I feel bad for your head [TS]

  sunburn and you should feel bad for my [TS]

  avid wow this is getting aggressive [TS]

  alright let's let's tone I do always [TS]

  have to wear a hat in the summertime [TS]

  it's why I actually can't use my sunroof [TS]

  it's summertime usually because I have [TS]

  to wear a hat and when I do that my [TS]

  blows off like if it's windy so so [TS]

  usually I get most of my son Roofing [TS]

  done in the in the offseason and like [TS]

  this fall winter and spring when I can [TS]

  have it hat free and hopefully not get a [TS]

  sunburn on my head in January that's why [TS]

  Casey wants a Wrangler no roof right I'm [TS]

  saying although it'll totally forgot my [TS]

  hair every time and so then I have a [TS]

  whole new world of problems sorry to you [TS]

  too vain for Englund everyone I know I'm [TS]

  saying [TS]

  and by the way Tim underscore underscore [TS]

  underscore I have never driven a GTI and [TS]

  everyone I know who has ever had that's [TS]

  the key phrase here had a GTI always [TS]

  says that I'm crazy to want to go far [TS]

  the GTI is better but I do know that I [TS]

  hate front wheel drive with all of my [TS]

  being and so that is one major reason [TS]

  why I suspect I would not like a GTI I [TS]

  should try it and I probably will try it [TS]

  if the time ever comes but I hate front [TS]

  wheel drive and I'm assuming and I'm [TS]

  swearing like a sailor because I'm [TS]

  assuming none of this is making the show [TS]

  you used to you used to hit automatics [TS]

  too and then you go to Julia Touche [TS]

  I mean honestly like it's you're really [TS]

  getting yourself into a BMW like it with [TS]

  morale but look it's not a big deal like [TS]

  just know going into it in the same way [TS]

  like when you buy an Apple product we [TS]

  all love Apple products but we also know [TS]

  that okay in two years they're gonna [TS]

  release something that makes this look [TS]

  ancient and if it's an iOS product in [TS]

  two years it [TS]

  gonna be a lot slower than when I bought [TS]

  it because the new OS will be slower on [TS]

  this hardware you not like you just kind [TS]

  of know that like this is going to [TS]

  degrade in my satisfaction or an actual [TS]

  usage in certain ways over time you know [TS]

  that going into it and so you you know [TS]

  you plan for that you you know you do [TS]

  what you can to complain about it on [TS]

  podcast but for the most part you're [TS]

  kind of stuck with it and so you deal [TS]

  with it because it's better than buying [TS]

  Windows right and so like in this case [TS]

  like if if the if all the attributes of [TS]

  a car that you actually like a lot seem [TS]

  to really pretty much only be available [TS]

  on BMWs it's not that ridiculous for you [TS]

  to buy another BMW even though your [TS]

  current one has given you lots of [TS]

  service trouble just know going into it [TS]

  make the decision accordingly that like [TS]

  this is going to cost money and repairs [TS]

  if I have to repair it so you can then [TS]

  either me idiot you can make different [TS]

  decisions about things like you know how [TS]

  much do you spend that in the first [TS]

  place maybe you like to save a budget [TS]

  for repairs later or do you do you lease [TS]

  something or finance something under [TS]

  warranty and then get rid of it or sell [TS]

  it when it's out of warranty like you [TS]

  know you could make different decisions [TS]

  it doesn't mean you need to get [TS]

  something that is severely lacking in [TS]

  areas you care about just despite this [TS]

  company that couldn't give less of a [TS]

  damn about you yeah that's fair I don't [TS]

  know in in part of the reason why the [TS]

  Volkswagen line or train of thought is [TS]

  appealing to me is because they're now [TS]

  offering six year warranties as far as [TS]

  I'm aware anyway they're offering six [TS]

  two year warranties on all their cars [TS]

  and I tend to own a car for between six [TS]

  and ten years so there's something [TS]

  appealing to me in having a car that is [TS]

  warranteed for that long and granted I [TS]

  could get like an extended warranty for [TS]

  I could have gotten an extended warranty [TS]

  for my car don't get those or Panza no [TS]

  no those are repos [TS]

  right and that's the thing is that even [TS]

  if you don't like a buddy of mine who [TS]

  has a 2011 335 he got an extended [TS]

  warranty for his and had some sort of [TS]

  actually similar problem to my [TS]

  valvetrain although I guess it was just [TS]

  starting to go and then fixed itself or [TS]

  something I forget the details I know [TS]

  that sounds funny just go with it so [TS]

  anyway he asked the you know extended [TS]

  warranty people hey can I go ahead and [TS]

  get this repair [TS]

  and they were like well if the car is [TS]

  not actively exhibiting the problem then [TS]

  now despite the fact that the BMW tech [TS]

  was like hey we saw that this was a code [TS]

  that was thrown so presumably it didn't [TS]

  do that for funsies yeah so it's just [TS]

  it's it's insurance all over again right [TS]

  it's just a freaking nightmare but [TS]

  anyway you you're you're cheating and [TS]

  using my weakness to keep me on the [TS]

  microphone right now and talking about [TS]

  cars bully accidental mm-hmm what we [TS]

  should do is we should do some ask a TP [TS]

  and Clint asks so do you think if you [TS]

  had pmw do you stop it do you think it'd [TS]

  be M 3 M 2 or m235i none of the above [TS]

  because I can't afford it because you're [TS]

  making me quit my job [TS]

  the the 235 line is really not that [TS]

  ridiculous well I can't put any kids in [TS]

  it then that's true by the way why am i [TS]

  letting myself get into this and stop [TS]

  stop we need to ask a TV have you given [TS]

  any more thought to quitting your job [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  I've given an unreasonable amount of [TS]

  thought to that stop just why am i [TS]

  allowing this how many how many offers [TS]

  have you gotten just ballpark I have [TS]

  gotten probably I would say less than 10 [TS]

  listeners you know what to do keep going [TS]

  keep go [TS]

  to be honest I've barely explored those [TS]

  because I've been so swamped with [TS]

  pre-baby insanity that I probably seem [TS]

  like the most reluctant independent [TS]

  worker ever because I have a couple of [TS]

  emails that I need to reply to I just [TS]

  haven't had the time yet but anyway but [TS]

  we'll see what happens with that but we [TS]

  should talk about SK TP where Clint X [TS]

  Pro kids in your tiny car if you have an [TS]

  XC 90 like you could prop you could get [TS]

  a car that could fit in the xc90 that is [TS]

  true however like like the m235i a [TS]

  pretty small car like a pretty good one [TS]

  by all the reviews right haven't you [TS]

  driven one yes I did drive a [TS]

  several-year old one now it's like three [TS]

  or four years old [TS]

  well it isn't if I if it was still [TS]

  around today the guy who owned it has [TS]

  since unloaded it for basically my car [TS]

  actually but at the time it was maybe [TS]

  two years old and it was magnificent but [TS]

  they go among other things used em 235 [TS]

  that's a good answer but the problem [TS]

  with that is a I'd want the M to be [TS]

  those are [TS]

  impossible to find in slightly [TS]

  unaffordable in C or three I don't [TS]

  remember which one I was going for I do [TS]

  a preschool run with Declan and I would [TS]

  like to be able to take Aaron or I would [TS]

  like to be able to take both kids in the [TS]

  car and not leave anyone stranded [TS]

  because although Aaron is capable of [TS]

  driving a stick Aaron doesn't think [TS]

  Aaron's capable of driving a stick which [TS]

  means Aaron can't drive a stick so it's [TS]

  it's a bad situation but can we please [TS]

  do ask a TP I'm gonna need to start or [TS]

  start ignoring the car talk because you [TS]

  know it's the m2 available with a DCT so [TS]

  Clint a CC is a really a DCT established [TS]

  to delay the MacPro John would you tell [TS]

  me if you don't mind TM w m2 DCT so [TS]

  obviously it exists let's see that looks [TS]

  pretty nice and Aaron could drive a DCT [TS]

  we can do car stuff after ass we are [TS]

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  can do so a Quint asks do you think [TS]

  Apple will delay the MacPro release [TS]

  until a new CPU architecture has been [TS]

  designed I personally don't think [TS]

  that'll be the case unless Intel says [TS]

  hey it's already designed and it's [TS]

  eminent and we'll have it out in a month [TS]

  which will never happen so no I don't [TS]

  think so Marco what do you think oh man [TS]

  Sam McGee just found a used listing for [TS]

  a white m2 it's an AK question you [TS]

  should be excited about this one into it [TS]

  Apple better not wait because I think [TS]

  it's actually gonna be longer than [TS]

  people think before there is a literal [TS]

  new CPU architecture that works around [TS]

  this issue because this issue is deeply [TS]

  embedded into the way CPUs have been [TS]

  designed for many many years unless [TS]

  until started on this project for years [TS]

  ago a new CPU that solves this problem [TS]

  is not coming anytime soon [TS]

  but more importantly like I don't want [TS]

  Apple to delay anything like they're [TS]

  gonna continue to sell iMac pros and all [TS]

  the other computers with these CPUs that [TS]

  are vulnerable to this with OS level [TS]

  workarounds and that's what they're [TS]

  gonna do with the Mac Pro tips oh no no [TS]

  delay for delay for this anyway you know [TS]

  last thing you want is to give Apple a [TS]

  reason to delay the Mac Pro please don't [TS]

  give them reasons even I would agree [TS]

  with that and there's a thread on the [TS]

  specter meltdown stuff like be exactly [TS]

  how long a time lines are for a new [TS]

  architecture if you start today oh we [TS]

  haven't been doing anything to mitigate [TS]

  this as yet you know this this unknown [TS]

  you know we didn't know about specter [TS]

  meltdown until you know a couple weeks [TS]

  ago or whatever let's start today on a [TS]

  new architecture let's take whatever [TS]

  project we've been working on and modify [TS]

  it to account for this the timelines are [TS]

  long it's not like well give us a couple [TS]

  months and will have a new CPU out if [TS]

  you look at how long it takes to go from [TS]

  idea to actual design to you know laying [TS]

  out [TS]

  they still call it taping out to fabbing [TS]

  and verifying and like that those [TS]

  timelines are long so don't hold your [TS]

  breath [TS]

  for brand-new CPU architectures that [TS]

  completely eliminate this category of [TS]

  error there could be smaller fixes [TS]

  coming to minor revisions of existing [TS]

  chips that help either help mitigate it [TS]

  or help make it so that the OS level [TS]

  workarounds are not don't have as big a [TS]

  performance it that can happen in the [TS]

  near term if they scramble but it's such [TS]

  a big change to actually make this [TS]

  category of bug not exist and also [TS]

  maintain performance that I think it's [TS]

  gonna be years also keep in mind that [TS]

  the Mac Pro and iMac Pro use Xeon chips [TS]

  Zeon's are the last ships and Intel's [TS]

  lineup to get new microarchitectures so [TS]

  whenever they fix it in their consumer [TS]

  chips you're not gonna see it in any [TS]

  kind of Xeon workstation for another [TS]

  year and a half to three years after [TS]

  that yeah I even I don't want this to be [TS]

  delayed and god I just need to I just [TS]

  need to get through the Mac Pro [TS]

  discussion and if I can get through the [TS]

  forthcoming Mac Pro discussion like in [TS]

  future episodes whenever it's announced [TS]

  then I think the show may be able to [TS]

  last forever because if I can make it [TS]

  through that I'll be good [TS]

  Bryce Ness John I heard you say that [TS]

  hi-c message from a friend the three of [TS]

  us saying can someone explain rx Swift [TS]

  it's important or this cold by tomorrow [TS]

  morning I think you know something about [TS]

  argh Swift can you can you help help our [TS]

  friend out after the show after the show [TS]

  why are you using all my weaknesses [TS]

  against it they also today I learned I [TS]

  have like 17 different flavors of [TS]

  Kryptonite anyway is that prescription [TS]

  Swift what is that what is that yeah [TS]

  it's prescription sweat oh god I hate [TS]

  all of you including our nameless friend [TS]

  John I heard you say about the High [TS]

  Sierra root bug that you keep your root [TS]

  account enabled anyway so you already [TS]

  had a strong password for what reason do [TS]

  you need the root account why not just [TS]

  use sudo what does root do that sudo [TS]

  can't I'm actually curious to hear this [TS]

  as well because I don't have a root [TS]

  account with the password I just use [TS]

  sudo for everything [TS]

  I would need and I do dive into command [TS]

  line daily but I strongly suspect I am [TS]

  NOT doing near and near as much in the [TS]

  command line as you are John so can you [TS]

  address this like what's the purpose for [TS]

  the root account to having a password or [TS]

  is it just you having needing a tinfoil [TS]

  hat is the opposite actually what you're [TS]

  doing is the better way to do things do [TS]

  everything is the user only do sudo when [TS]

  you need to do something with heightened [TS]

  privileges but the worst habit that I do [TS]

  because I'm old is just hanging out as [TS]

  rude all the time you know because I I [TS]

  don't use package managers I compile and [TS]

  install things you know myself and it's [TS]

  just convenience it just always be rout [TS]

  and have all of my source files owned by [TS]

  root and build everything as root and [TS]

  that's incredibly dangerous to do that [TS]

  you should not do this I did not [TS]

  recommend this practice but it is my [TS]

  habit and because that's my habit and [TS]

  it's my computer I'd do it and many [TS]

  years of experience including [TS]

  accidentally destroying a couple of OSS [TS]

  and my youth has allowed me to be pretty [TS]

  careful and pretty safe but still it's [TS]

  not a good idea you should do everything [TS]

  as your user and just hide elevate [TS]

  privileges briefly only when you need it [TS]

  Marco any thoughts nope about this about [TS]

  this specifically for the love of God [TS]

  you know I'm thinking of traveling to [TS]

  Manhattan I want to know if you had any [TS]

  Pizza recommendations Johnson Bleecker [TS]

  moving on [TS]

  Jim and away asks mark did you ever buy [TS]

  a Sonos one with Alexa and if so do you [TS]

  like it no I actually I had i [TS]

  pre-ordered it and then before it came [TS]

  out when they review started coming out [TS]

  I canceled the pre-order because I [TS]

  realized I didn't care that much I I [TS]

  have some sono stuff but I wouldn't say [TS]

  I'm super in the Sonos ecosystem I just [TS]

  I find their app fairly clunky for the [TS]

  things I want to do with with my music [TS]

  so I almost never want to actually use [TS]

  it for anything so in the other side I [TS]

  love the Amazon echo and use it [TS]

  constantly and and it's very very nice [TS]

  and one of the things that this one was [TS]

  one I think was was worse about is you [TS]

  like every echo that comes out since the [TS]

  original tower and dot it doesn't have [TS]

  the the hardware volume dial on the top [TS]

  and some of the other of you said that [TS]

  they thought the microphones might be a [TS]

  little bit worse or at least that they [TS]

  were having some trouble with them and [TS]

  so I just decided you know I don't I [TS]

  don't need this so just cancel it and [TS]

  I'm very happy with my first generation [TS]

  Amazon echo and with with the big [TS]

  hardware volume knob and the nice [TS]

  microphones and it's totally fine and I [TS]

  don't really I haven't bought any the [TS]

  new echos yet either because you know [TS]

  same reason basically I'm very happy [TS]

  with the old one and we don't really [TS]

  have any needs for any additional ones [TS]

  at this time all right so how do we want [TS]

  to approach this do you want to do arm [TS]

  and keep me here for 17 hours or do you [TS]

  want to do no that's it that's it time [TS]

  for that show I thought we were doing a [TS]

  longer after show what are we talking [TS]

  about cars have to show thanks to our [TS]

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  now the show is over [TS]

  they didn't even mean to begin as it was [TS]

  accidental accidental [TS]

  research Marco and Casey wouldn't let [TS]

  him cuz it was accidentally was [TS]

  accidental and you can find the show [TS]

  notes at a TPM and it into Twitter you [TS]

  can follow them CAS URL is s so that's [TS]

  Casey list and a are Co AR m and T Marco [TS]

  Arment SI r AC Syracuse [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  my first question for kc is what system [TS]

  have you established for this podcasting [TS]

  recording tonight to be notified that [TS]

  it's time to stop podcasting there are [TS]

  several mechanisms there is a message [TS]

  there is Erin coming in the room I just [TS]

  I guess that's really it it's basically [TS]

  either iMessage or Internet storms in [TS]

  here and says it's time for screaming I [TS]

  was gonna say that but we are mystic [TS]

  corners of the house so yes that would [TS]

  work but it would need to be significant [TS]

  enough that it would wake up me and well [TS]

  nothing I'm asleep you know what I mean [TS]

  like it would have to get through me and [TS]

  it would wake up Declan and Aaron has a [TS]

  I don't want to use the word heroic but [TS]

  I can't think of a better adjective just [TS]

  a heroic threshold for pain and so [TS]

  because of that I wouldn't be surprised [TS]

  if she could go through something that [TS]

  would render me unconscious and she just [TS]

  would you know have like a little yeah [TS]

  that hurt you know or something like [TS]

  that so anyway I would expect that she [TS]

  would either iMessage me or she would [TS]

  just come storming in and say this is it [TS]

  I was worried that she's like having [TS]

  contractions now and she can't bring [TS]

  herself to even do a text message so [TS]

  she's just down you know and the other [TS]

  side of the house bearing down wishing [TS]

  you would know that it's time to stop [TS]

  podcasting and here you are continuing [TS]

  to podcast that certainly could be but I [TS]

  as of about half an hour ago I was being [TS]

  kept abreast of the situation and a nice [TS]

  I sincerely doubt that's the case it's [TS]

  time to turn the baby monitor on mom so [TS]

  you can be well actually come to think [TS]

  of it we did get an entire second baby [TS]

  monitor for Sprigg which we planned [TS]

  well actually what we ended up doing was [TS]

  just pairing the the second the camera [TS]

  from the other baby monitor to our [TS]

  existing baby monitor but it was like 20 [TS]

  bucks more to get the whole monitor [TS]

  rather than to just get an extra camera [TS]

  well you know what I mean or something [TS]

  like that it was it was it was silly not [TS]

  to just get a whole redundant set up so [TS]

  anyways well I bring all this up to say [TS]

  I could hypothetically [TS]

  put that baby monitor camera back on [TS]

  Aaron and take the redundant monitor in [TS]

  here but no as far [TS]

  I know she's asleep which means if I [TS]

  sent her text message right now she [TS]

  probably be like yep it's it's coming [TS]

  sooner rather than later [TS]

  but we'll see you think she's asleep [TS]

  right now as far as I know she was [TS]

  trying to I mean that's wise honestly [TS]

  you should be sleeping right now if [TS]

  you're Marco tonight or tomorrow it's [TS]

  like it was my first kid like my wife's [TS]

  water broke at midnight we were up we [TS]

  were about to go to bed it broke at [TS]

  midnight and and the doctor was like you [TS]

  should go to sleep and come to the hotel [TS]

  and come to the hospital in the morning [TS]

  I don't think it's possible when you're [TS]

  having it certainly the first kid and [TS]

  your wife's water is broken oh we're [TS]

  just gonna get some sleep now yeah sure [TS]

  everyone will just nod right off nothing [TS]

  will be occupying our minds that keeps [TS]

  us from sleeping so we just sat there in [TS]

  the bed not sleeping for five hours then [TS]

  went to the hospital the thing is [TS]

  especially for the women like granted I [TS]

  haven't done this in a little over three [TS]

  years but well pretty much shortly after [TS]

  they arrived at the hospital and get you [TS]

  know an IV put in and all that they're [TS]

  told or at least in our experience Aaron [TS]

  was told you can't eat anything any more [TS]

  and so because of that you know [TS]

  everything becomes uncomfortable not [TS]

  that it wasn't already uncomfortable but [TS]

  everything becomes more uncomfortable [TS]

  for the woman once you arrive at the [TS]

  hospital so for a lot of reasons most [TS]

  doctors will say you know for the for [TS]

  the best that you can or to the to the [TS]

  best that you can try to avoid coming [TS]

  into the hospital until like it's really [TS]

  getting on go time and so and on the way [TS]

  into the hospital go gorge yourself on [TS]

  some sort of fast food because [TS]

  especially the the mom is not going to [TS]

  be eating for a long time so as far as [TS]

  if I were to wager a guess unless [TS]

  something is going on in there that I'm [TS]

  not aware of I think tomorrow morning [TS]

  we're probably going to wake up find [TS]

  somebody well I mean we have plenty of [TS]

  options but find somebody to take care [TS]

  of Declan and probably call it in oh [TS]

  yeah the system of notification declan's [TS]

  still hanging out in your house news [TS]

  anyway right now - it's yeah what's the [TS]

  handoff plan there so we have neighbors [TS]

  that live very close by that you like [TS]

  walk ibly close by that could come over [TS]

  Aaron's youngest sister [TS]

  is a short drive away and Aaron's mom is [TS]

  about 20 minutes away and so there's you [TS]

  know a multi-tiered approach that we can [TS]

  go to if if we need to leave in the [TS]

  middle of the night I'm gonna flashback [TS]

  anxiety from the fact that you don't [TS]

  have someone in your house right now and [TS]

  stand by Declan Duty idea that you're [TS]

  gonna have enough time for someone to [TS]

  show up at your house or that you'll be [TS]

  able to divert right it was my situation [TS]

  was we had we had a friend all lined up [TS]

  to all I was tonight no worries like you [TS]

  you know it's 3:00 a.m. at the time just [TS]

  give us a call we'll be there and my [TS]

  friend was good to his word he you know [TS]

  was there but by the time he showed up [TS]

  the baby was out so there's that yeah [TS]

  yeah I that honest to God your birth [TS]

  story you're in Tina's birth story that [TS]

  has weighed on me heavily for the last [TS]

  month or two and I'm not saying that to [TS]

  be funny like I really really has [TS]

  because so often Aaron will be like not [TS]

  just her I'll be like you know oh well [TS]

  you know her mom your mom will be here [TS]

  in like 20 minutes I'm sure that'll be [TS]

  fine and then one of us will say to thee [TS]

  it should be it totally should be I mean [TS]

  you know how long it was Declan you've [TS]

  to him plenty time exactly Declan was a [TS]

  very long birth and so it should be fine [TS]

  but then I think about poor Tina who [TS]

  says hey why don't you go get the [TS]

  neighbor because I think it's time and [TS]

  then next thing you know oh there's your [TS]

  youngest in your hands there was some [TS]

  there was a lot of screaming and blood [TS]

  between those two phases but yes yeah [TS]

  yes so that I kid you not I'll say it [TS]

  again like your birth story your your [TS]

  mutual birth story for for when your [TS]

  daughter was born has weighed heavily on [TS]

  me especially in the last month but for [TS]

  Declan you know it was I think Monday [TS]

  morning it doesn't really matter but it [TS]

  was one morning I think it was a Monday [TS]

  morning that Aaron woke up and was like [TS]

  well I'm having a lot of Braxton Hicks [TS]

  and then went about her day then it was [TS]

  the middle of the night Tuesday that it [TS]

  was becoming obvious that no this was it [TS]

  and we went into the hospital I want to [TS]

  say it was Tuesday morning and you know [TS]

  by the tub well we went to the OB to see [TS]

  you if this was it and the OB took [TS]

  literally didn't he [TS]

  make her second leg in the doorway to [TS]

  look at Aaron she only had one foot in [TS]

  the doorway in in the examination room [TS]

  and turned around and shouted down the [TS]

  hall hey can you call L&D we have one [TS]

  coming in so that was a Tuesday morning [TS]

  and Declan was born at like 5:30 6 [TS]

  o'clock on Wednesday morning or [TS]

  something like that so clearly not all [TS]

  of this was well it's easy for dude to [TS]

  say this right but not all of this was [TS]

  like the hyper intense labor but it was [TS]

  labor for like two full days and so it [TS]

  stands to reason he says this he knocks [TS]

  on his glass desk because there's no [TS]

  wood nearby that uh that that Sprague [TS]

  will not make a your youngest styled [TS]

  appearance but we'll see about that [TS]

  is it possible given Aaron stated [TS]

  tolerance for pain that you already have [TS]

  a second kid I mean we were talking [TS]

  about the mi pro for a long time that is [TS]

  true and in cars even longer you know it [TS]

  is certainly possible I did send her a [TS]

  text message about 10 or 15 minutes ago [TS]

  and she has not responded which means [TS]

  either she is trying to sleep is asleep [TS]

  or there's a kid in the other room and I [TS]

  just don't know it [TS]

  I mean you aren't out of the house I [TS]

  mean anything do you want me to go check [TS]

  but yeah it's funny because Aaron and I [TS]

  I don't know how much this comes across [TS]

  on the show and I mean I know you two [TS]

  know this but for your average listener [TS]

  I don't know if it's obvious but Aaron [TS]

  and I are both like SuperDuper type-a [TS]

  super anal retentive loved to have every [TS]

  T crossed every I dotted every minute [TS]

  planned and and it's funny because with [TS]

  this one there's not a lot of planning [TS]

  you can do for a kid unless you have a [TS]

  scheduled induction which we do have for [TS]

  a few days from now but it's certainly [TS]

  not looking like we're gonna make it [TS]

  anyway if my date was yesterday right no [TS]

  it's today okay yeah so I mean it's [TS]

  right on time exactly but but I bring I [TS]

  bring up us being in or a tenant because [TS]

  when it comes to Declan we're basically [TS]

  like as soon as we have done that [TS]

  initial handoff that you know you were [TS]

  asking about John as soon as that [TS]

  happens whatever just somebody amongst [TS]

  you my family your Aaron's family I just [TS]

  figured out amongst yourselves and make [TS]

  sure he's still alive in a day and a [TS]

  half or whenever [TS]

  we can get him in the hospital so he can [TS]

  meet his little brother or little sister [TS]

  so it's been funny for us to just have [TS]

  to embrace being that like I don't know [TS]

  freewheeling if you will and just be [TS]

  like hey you know what he's three years [TS]

  old he's as reasonably self-sufficient [TS]

  in the sense that he's not gonna like [TS]

  you know live in a poopy diaper for [TS]

  eighteen days because he's not using [TS]

  diapers [TS]

  you know except at night he's able to [TS]

  find like in a desperation scenario for [TS]

  some reason I'm sure he could scrounge [TS]

  up a little bit of like crackers or [TS]

  something not to say we're gonna leave [TS]

  him home alone I'm just saying like in [TS]

  the world in the new baby is already [TS]

  stolen your parents love ya just like [TS]

  that there's none left for you sorry [TS]

  like you realize in these scenarios like [TS]

  you're going to jail oh yeah yeah [TS]

  exactly we did never do that I'm just [TS]

  saying you know if for some reason there [TS]

  was some sort of miscommunication and [TS]

  they I don't know why my like where the [TS]

  new baby is gonna give Declan the [TS]

  present we did know we've we've waffled [TS]

  back and forth on that and we don't have [TS]

  a present so I guess the answer's no we [TS]

  I don't really have a good answer on it [TS]

  I see both sides of that story and [TS]

  because we're so fresh off of Christmas [TS]

  and Hanukkah that there's nothing that [TS]

  he's told us he's really seeking at the [TS]

  moment you know what I mean and I know [TS]

  that doesn't mean we can't get him [TS]

  something anyway doesn't know what he [TS]

  wants yet but what he actually wants is [TS]

  not another sibling well he's very [TS]

  enthusiastic about his other sibling but [TS]

  oh yeah they're great when they're [TS]

  inside mommy exactly this is all gonna [TS]

  change in just a minute [TS]

  oh you know where they might get along [TS]

  but like we did the gift that er no this [TS]

  is probably my wife's idea but I here to [TS]

  tell you it did not help you know I'm [TS]

  with my particular two children it [TS]

  denial maybe maybe a strategy is you can [TS]

  give him a gift that is worse than a new [TS]

  sibling in some way that seems like like [TS]

  a man like when I was a kid I remember [TS]

  like one Christmas I begged him begging [TS]

  begged only having seen their own [TS]

  commercials for the remote-control [TS]

  typhoon hovercraft and boy was that [TS]

  terrible oh yeah I had one of those why [TS]

  you don't let your kids watch [TS]

  commercials Oh was great except it was [TS]

  terrible you know there's a reason why [TS]

  you don't see a lot of hovercraft and [TS]

  news in the world and one of the reasons [TS]

  is you can't really steer them very well [TS]

  turns out friction is really nice and [TS]

  they don't really have a lot of [TS]

  and so yeah and also they're incredibly [TS]

  loud like a little remote control one [TS]

  it's like you know too little like hair [TS]

  dryers on the back of this thing for the [TS]

  five minutes or so that the battery [TS]

  lasts before it dies I was to say [TS]

  because you're powering three different [TS]

  motors yes off of this like mid 90s [TS]

  maybe even early 90s battery tech yeah [TS]

  it was a big like NiCad battery pack [TS]

  like the size like eight double-a is one [TS]

  of those big yellow rectangles it's like [TS]

  yep oh man it was truly terrible it was [TS]

  no fun at all oh oh who is this who is [TS]

  this in the chat call no Chloe de Guzman [TS]

  I'm sorry if I pronounced that wrong [TS]

  just put the link in the chat and this [TS]

  is what I had although I think mine was [TS]

  green but this is what I had and oh my [TS]

  god it was amazing for the two and a [TS]

  half minutes it was working but it's [TS]

  funny because in this commercial you see [TS]

  it running across water which [TS]

  hypothetically it should be able to do [TS]

  no you can't do that but that's the [TS]

  thing because if you take your finger [TS]

  off the throttle for even the slightest [TS]

  moment then the I don't I don't remember [TS]

  the term for it but the bag under it [TS]

  like the buoyancy bass skirt will [TS]

  deflate in success the skirt thank you [TS]

  the buoyancy bag the skirt the whatever [TS]

  will instantly deflate and then you sink [TS]

  your hovercraft and that's that so you [TS]

  have to like really really commit if [TS]

  you're gonna go across water and I think [TS]

  them possibly the most stressful moment [TS]

  of my childhood was when I did put it in [TS]

  a pool for like five seconds and drive [TS]

  it you know and I think I was standing [TS]

  within like arm's reach of it so if it [TS]

  started to sink I could grab it cuz I [TS]

  loved this thing even though it was a [TS]

  colossal piece of garbage like I would [TS]

  just try to play with it indoors and you [TS]

  just can't like you're crashing into [TS]

  walls constantly like there's nowhere [TS]

  you can go with it and then yeah like I [TS]

  remember like at the lake I saw somebody [TS]

  had one and they broke it because they [TS]

  took it onto the water the back end of [TS]

  it sunk down for a split second and when [TS]

  they put the fans back on the the [TS]

  propeller of one of the rear like [TS]

  propulsion fans hit the surface of the [TS]

  water and just broke like it was just [TS]

  these things are not built well and yeah [TS]

  this was just not it was such a bad to [TS]

  it anyway so I'm saying if you get [TS]

  definitely one of these as his new [TS]

  awesome gift it is so much worse than [TS]

  having a new baby that he might then see [TS]

  the baby as like the upgrade [TS]

  you know Marco I got to be honest with [TS]

  you I think you know we've known each [TS]

  other something like 20 years and we're [TS]

  pretty good pretty darn good friends and [TS]

  I'm gonna have to tell you I'm a little [TS]

  disappointed in you because clearly the [TS]

  right answer for a gift for Declan is [TS]

  either a brand new m3 or brand new [TS]

  Wrangler that's the only reasonable [TS]

  solution to this problem mmm - honestly [TS]

  the m2 is the better car for your [TS]

  purposes I mean the only thing is that [TS]

  yeah you do you do lose the four-door [TS]

  nests of the m3 so in that way I guess [TS]

  you probably should get an m3 because [TS]

  it's it's the more continuation of what [TS]

  you already have but as like an [TS]

  enthusiast car I really think the m2 is [TS]

  is the way to go nice to mention it's [TS]

  probably a much better value downside of [TS]

  course being as you mentioned earlier [TS]

  that there's not that many of them and [TS]

  most of them are not used and yeah of [TS]

  course - doors now that you're on the [TS]

  auto the automatic bandwagon and BMW is [TS]

  in the down period you should consider [TS]

  you know something like the mirros car [TS]

  got like an e63 and like these are fast [TS]

  high-quality four-door cars with plenty [TS]

  of room that are very safe reliable not [TS]

  that cheap if you get an old one are not [TS]

  that expensive if you get an old one and [TS]

  who you you'll be fine with the [TS]

  automatic you don't need to shift them a [TS]

  good good Mercedes's [TS]

  aren't you too young for that I mean [TS]

  like in the current generation of cars [TS]

  like I said you know BMW didn't finish [TS]

  in any of the car and drivers 10 best [TS]

  for like the first time in a very very [TS]

  long time and their Mercedes in there [TS]

  the Mercedes II especially the AMG ones [TS]

  are fast and fancy I mean the doing is [TS]

  still a better car than them but the the [TS]

  Mercedes had probably more reliable [TS]

  definitely more swanky and we know okay [TS]

  Seanie C babied in his old age [TS]

  but the problem is you've known enough [TS]

  like like okay like 15 years ago WRX [TS]

  would have been the right move 15 years [TS]

  from now Casey might be Mercedes but [TS]

  right now Casey no you got the wrong [TS]

  image of Mercedes it's not your father's [TS]

  Mercedes boss as soon as that second [TS]

  baby arrives it will age him instantly [TS]

  like 10 more years so that's a multiply [TS]

  for it's a multiplying for how old how [TS]

  old you feel he's still gonna need five [TS]

  more years before they're gonna let him [TS]

  into a Mercedes dealer [TS]

  no you get the AMG once it's fine no [TS]

  it's actually that to speak about how [TS]

  old and entitled I am who was I talking [TS]

  to just the other day shoot oh it was my [TS]

  buddy who just got the brand-new Accord [TS]

  coincidentally and he was saying that he [TS]

  had to bring his in I think he was [TS]

  getting like an after more like an after [TS]

  market but dealer-installed [TS]

  Oh Aaron is awake and she has not had [TS]

  the kid real-time follow-up all right [TS]

  baby's still inside wife repeat baby's [TS]

  still inside wife and and it seems that [TS]

  things are just not regular so whatever [TS]

  anyway are things ever regular you have [TS]

  fair point the court guy took his car in [TS]

  for service to get like some aftermarket [TS]

  thing installed I forget what it was I [TS]

  think was like rear a rear USB charger [TS]

  or whatever I think there was like a [TS]

  honda part that he could have installed [TS]

  so you can charge something via a USB in [TS]

  the back anyway he was talking about how [TS]

  he had to go to enterprise to get a [TS]

  loaner and I was just like my face kind [TS]

  of imploded it was like that Oh like [TS]

  that oh god you have to go to get a [TS]

  loaner to like they don't just give you [TS]

  one oh yes this is the show how you [TS]

  can't go back again to live like the [TS]

  little people right no I'm serious like [TS]

  an inch and all I'm saying is partially [TS]

  to be funny but I mean I really did have [TS]

  that brief reaction of like oh god [TS]

  that's right you would have to like go [TS]

  somewhere to get a rental and that just [TS]

  sounds freaking terrible and like listen [TS]

  to how obnoxious and entitled I am like [TS]

  I'm not proud of this I'm really not I'm [TS]

  just saying as soon as you cross that [TS]

  threshold into quote unquote luxury [TS]

  automobiles you start to get used to [TS]

  this thing and it's hard like this is [TS]

  why I can understand why all these like [TS]

  athletes and movie stars and whatnot are [TS]

  entitled books because once you get [TS]

  exposed to that it's like well I don't [TS]

  wanna go back to having to worry about [TS]

  going down to one car while my car gets [TS]

  serviced that seems barbaric and then I [TS]

  then the next thought that goes through [TS]

  my head is well Casey you're an [TS]

  Eightball for people who are for peons [TS]

  like me who doesn't go to a dealership [TS]

  is depending on your dealership you can [TS]

  find my dealerships being your [TS]

  enterprise [TS]

  has enterprise rental counter right in [TS]

  the dealership and if you get any [TS]

  significant amount of service done you [TS]

  get the rental for free [TS]

  so essentially you get a loaner Honda [TS]

  for free as part of your service without [TS]

  having to go in anywhere so it's like [TS]

  the I mean I'm gonna say low rent but [TS]

  it's the it's the equivalent version of [TS]

  so you bringing you BMW here's the BMW [TS]

  to drive so you're bringing your Honda [TS]

  here's a Honda Drive no charge if you're [TS]

  the thing whatever you're having done is [TS]

  above some minimum amount of money and [TS]

  if you're going to a dealer probably is [TS]

  good steel is charged a million dollars [TS]

  for everything even Honda dealers but [TS]

  yeah it's a little bit different not [TS]

  having that be an amenity of the dealer [TS]

  but having it to be like well we have [TS]

  this we have this relationship with [TS]

  enterprise and you know I've never paid [TS]

  for an enterprise rental but I have [TS]

  gotten free enterprise rentals many [TS]

  times how I know how much I hate all of [TS]

  the the Honda Accords that I didn't buy [TS]

  is all from essentially loaner cars when [TS]

  my car is getting serviced the other way [TS]

  I'd do it [TS]

  how'd the way the little people do it is [TS]

  I sit there and wait for my car to be [TS]

  done I've done that from time to time [TS]

  and yeah you know so confession my first [TS]

  thought was going to be to complain [TS]

  about my local BMW service like a [TS]

  waiting area because it just isn't as [TS]

  cushy and nice as some other BMW dealers [TS]

  I've been to how far go on am I like how [TS]

  much of a friggin jerk am i that the [TS]

  first thought that jumps through my head [TS]

  is yeah but John you don't understand [TS]

  that the service area in this local BMW [TS]

  is just okay like it's very nice surface [TS]

  area you mean a bunch of cherry shop [TS]

  next door like I am I need to get a [TS]

  regular person's car so I don't lose [TS]

  myself forever I need to buy like a [TS]

  pedestrian Civic oh god I'm so terrible [TS]

  different amounts of luxury because the [TS]

  number of valve trains I've ever had [TS]

  exploded in my cars is zero so I have [TS]

  that going for me that's true yeah I [TS]

  mean I don't need a loaner if either [TS]

  thing is never getting serviced for more [TS]

  than an hour at a time I've never had a [TS]

  repair that has cost as you know as much [TS]

  as my car was worth truth too soon oh [TS]

  how much so that repair if you didn't [TS]

  pay for it right cause it was like a [TS]

  warranty or whatever but if you had pay [TS]

  for it it would have been like five [TS]

  grand or something the the valvetrain [TS]

  issue yeah yeah it was like five or six [TS]

  grand of which I paid I think five or [TS]

  10% of it what ended up happening [TS]

  for all the things that were done during [TS]

  that visit I think the total bill was [TS]

  like six grand of which I paid about a [TS]

  thousand and so what was the value of [TS]

  your car at the time you had a six [TS]

  thousand dollar repair money to thirty [TS]

  thousand I think and now it's probably [TS]

  10 to 20 thousand so you were like a [TS]

  quarter a quarter of the value of your [TS]

  car and repair yeah I mean it's [TS]

  something like that and then the [TS]

  remember it happened again about a year [TS]

  year and a half later but they covered [TS]

  that not literally under warranty I [TS]

  guess but the schedule is coming up soon [TS]

  right why you do dis I was I was [TS]

  thinking of you when I was reading it oh [TS]

  this is scary it might have been a favor [TS]

  makes me mad over the internet it's [TS]

  really hard to tell these days but it [TS]

  was talking about BMWs electric car [TS]

  programs and how how battery technology [TS]

  is getting better and BMW engineering [TS]

  bragging that they're sort of like [TS]

  service lifetime of their electric cars [TS]

  it's exactly the same as it is for that [TS]

  further for their gasoline cars and all [TS]

  I could think was that's nothing to brag [TS]

  about given the last 15 years mm-hmm [TS]

  they're like 70 percent capacity after [TS]

  15 years of use it's like well what what [TS]

  is the service lifetime of how old is [TS]

  your car now though it just had its [TS]

  seventh birthday like it was delivered [TS]

  to the original owner in early December [TS]

  of 2010 I feel like that's not a that's [TS]

  not a 15-year service lifetime I mean it [TS]

  is like again I I'm very frustrated with [TS]

  my car but really in the grand scheme of [TS]

  things like this was a pretty [TS]

  significant repair a very significant [TS]

  repair but in the grand scheme of things [TS]

  like the car sitting here now as far as [TS]

  I'm aware I drove it earlier today the [TS]

  car is operating very very well it has a [TS]

  few squeaks and a few rattles but [TS]

  nothing too terribly egregious it's it's [TS]

  really running pretty darn well the [TS]

  thing is I've had to pour way more money [TS]

  into it than I think I should have had [TS]

  to and that's the problem I have with it [TS]

  this is in comparison to Aaron's Mazda [TS]

  which you know I was happy to get rid of [TS]

  but that thing we took delivery on her [TS]

  birthday in 2007 2007 [TS]

  so that was August of 2006 [TS]

  and we got rid of it in July of 2017 and [TS]

  I think we might have done an alternator [TS]

  once and I think we did a battery and [TS]

  other than that it was just like tires [TS]

  and brakes and you know normal layer [TS]

  items and so in ten years we put let's [TS]

  let's get aggressive and let's say we [TS]

  put like two grand of non wear item [TS]

  worth of repair into that Mazda in ten [TS]

  years and I did that in ten minutes one [TS]

  high valve train exploded for the first [TS]

  time you know you know what I mean so [TS]

  it's it's hard because on the one side I [TS]

  feel like oh this thing has been on the [TS]

  whole reasonably reliable if you just [TS]

  count all the times that it exploded for [TS]

  a week you know as much as I am slightly [TS]

  bothered by Doug do mere videos one [TS]

  thing I have to admit that he has going [TS]

  for miss he picks interesting cars to [TS]

  review not the new ones obviously [TS]

  because like whatever everyone's doing [TS]

  fancy new cars or not even the exotic [TS]

  ones but when he goes to older cars he [TS]

  tends to pick cars the very least that [TS]

  have some mean to me and most recent one [TS]

  he did was the the the late 80s very [TS]

  early 90s Mercedes s-class I saw that [TS]

  that was a thing but I haven't I'm Way [TS]

  behind on YouTube because I'm Way behind [TS]

  on podcasts yeah my my friend's dad had [TS]

  one of those that he bought used you [TS]

  know he didn't buy it new he owned his [TS]

  own business and he had some money but [TS]

  not new Mercedes money but he had used [TS]

  Mercedes money and I took a couple of [TS]

  trips with his family in that car I [TS]

  forgets where where I started to get [TS]

  super impressed but Mercedes because the [TS]

  even just being a passenger the [TS]

  difference in every aspect of that car [TS]

  from even from the fancy yuppie cars my [TS]

  parents had like a series of Volvo's and [TS]

  staufen and Honda's and before that a [TS]

  bunch of American junk cars it was very [TS]

  impressive so I I've just started that [TS]

  video but it's really taking me back to [TS]

  see like the switch gear on the aged [TS]

  Mercedes and those those Mercedes I [TS]

  meant there they're not sporty cars like [TS]

  let's put it this way but they were just [TS]

  they just felt so solid and every part [TS]

  of it was so ridiculously over [TS]

  engineered very very German in the best [TS]

  possible way and I think sometimes I [TS]

  think that you might be happier with a [TS]

  older used car that you get cheaper that [TS]

  you it's so old that you know you're [TS]

  gonna be sinking money into it but you [TS]

  pick it based on like [TS]

  character or nostalgia or you know [TS]

  something like that where you instead of [TS]

  going for it has to be like modern super [TS]

  fast like resign yourself to actually [TS]

  getting a slow old card that has a lot [TS]

  of character maybe that's what the [TS]

  Wrangler is do I don't know and then [TS]

  which case you should not buy a new [TS]

  Rango you should buy a used one so the [TS]

  the real answer to what you're [TS]

  describing is I would kill almost [TS]

  everyone I knew for an e39 m5 so this is [TS]

  early 2000s its six-speed only v8 about [TS]

  400 horsepower in the Millat of ways I [TS]

  think that's the right answer because [TS]

  they can be had for at last I looked [TS]

  which is a long time ago between ten and [TS]

  twenty thousand dollars for a reasonable [TS]

  example that hasn't been too badly [TS]

  obliterated but the thing is as they get [TS]

  older and older and older they get more [TS]

  and more and more finicky and thus [TS]

  require more and more and more repairs [TS]

  so now I'm trading a reasonably modern [TS]

  BMW that's constantly in need of repair [TS]

  for an older and more interesting BMW [TS]

  that's constantly in need of repair so [TS]

  in costs way less like just set aside [TS]

  double the price of the car for repairs [TS]

  and it still come out ahead versus [TS]

  buying a brand new Mercedes at some [TS]

  ridiculous price once you add all the [TS]

  options in yeah like it like the price [TS]

  of getting a car new is so much more [TS]

  than maintaining an old one generally [TS]

  speaking like if what your concern about [TS]

  is total long term value [TS]

  Jon's right well and that's why I bought [TS]

  the BMW used is you know I suppose if [TS]

  you balance the checkbook if you will we [TS]

  could have afforded to buy a new 335 but [TS]

  it would have been a financially unwise [TS]

  decision to make and that's why you know [TS]

  I saved like 15 grand off the sticker by [TS]

  buying the car that I just told you was [TS]

  delivered in December 2010 I bought it [TS]

  in September 2012 and save like 15 grand [TS]

  and the reason that I'm harping on new [TS]

  cars for me because otherwise we're it [TS]

  not for what I'm about to tell you I [TS]

  would absolutely be looking at either [TS]

  lightly used new ish cars or something [TS]

  ancient like John's describing but the [TS]

  problem I have is that I've gotten into [TS]

  my brain for better or worse [TS]

  I really really do not want to buy a car [TS]

  that does not support carplay because to [TS]

  my eyes that kind of future proofs the [TS]

  infotainment in a way that my car can't [TS]

  be and I can get updates RAM throat [TS]

  Ament to some degree but it's never [TS]

  gonna change the fact that it's like a [TS]

  five pixel by five pixel display in that [TS]

  it's got a terribly slow processor that [TS]

  can't handle zooming like remember Marco [TS]

  when we were in the m5 and assumed the [TS]

  map maybe you zoom the map and I was [TS]

  like wait wait wait [TS]

  it actually zooms it doesn't just jump [TS]

  between zoom levels it actually animates [TS]

  the zoom and it blew my mind and so [TS]

  because of that I gotten it in my brain [TS]

  that I want something with carplay and [TS]

  I'm pretty darn sure the Wrangler has it [TS]

  I know the Golf R has it that's part of [TS]

  the reason why that the sunroof or [TS]

  reasons why I genuinely don't think [TS]

  money no object I would have the Alfa [TS]

  Romeo because it does not support car [TS]

  play and the infotainment system was at [TS]

  best mediocre and so once once you if [TS]

  you look at my obnoxious requirements [TS]

  like I'm the world's worst consulting [TS]

  client right because I want three pedals [TS]

  that go zero to 60 in five ish seconds [TS]

  that's not front-wheel drive that [TS]

  supports car play that has a sunroof [TS]

  you know these requirements the only [TS]

  thing and this comes back around what [TS]

  Marco was saying pretty much the only [TS]

  thing that meets all these requirements [TS]

  is a brand new 340 but the other [TS]

  requirement I have is not BMW so now [TS]

  what your requirements are so defined by [TS]

  your experience with the BMW though like [TS]

  I'm saying like you know if you get an [TS]

  older car forget about carplay just take [TS]

  your phone get up get a phone thing that [TS]

  clips into the vents and shove your [TS]

  phone in the - there's your busy [TS]

  navigation now it'll never go out of [TS]

  date you keep buying new phones and [TS]

  clipping them in the clip and then just [TS]

  get a car with character that has some [TS]

  sort of nostalgia value that you can get [TS]

  cheap that you will put five thousand [TS]

  dollars into every single year and it'll [TS]

  just be your little hobby fun day and [TS]

  there will be slow that'll be slower [TS]

  than a Civic type-r or whatever but you [TS]

  know just I don't know I don't know I [TS]

  guess maybe the Mac Pro strategy is is [TS]

  the thing to do and just keep on keeping [TS]

  on until that thing really explodes her [TS]

  good I mean very well maybe the thing [TS]

  and actually it was funny because just [TS]

  before we got on the [TS]

  her phones tonight I was brushing my [TS]

  teeth and I was thinking to myself you [TS]

  know what if I really am serious about [TS]

  this you know consulting or whatever you [TS]

  know thing I want to do instead of a [TS]

  job' job if I'm really serious about [TS]

  this the number one thing changed I need [TS]

  to make in my life is to not be telling [TS]

  myself well you know you might be able [TS]

  to swing a new card in 2018 the first [TS]

  thing that needs to happen is I don't [TS]

  drop a you know thousands upon thousands [TS]

  of dollars on a new car even something [TS]

  new to me [TS]

  like I do not need to be getting [TS]

  anything new and to your point John I [TS]

  need to just drive my BMW until it falls [TS]

  apart or at least at the very least [TS]

  drive my BMW until I've proven to myself [TS]

  that you know Casey listen corporated is [TS]

  making money you know what I mean and [TS]

  and that's not a bad thing that's that's [TS]

  perfectly fine decision to make it's [TS]

  just a less exciting decision to make [TS]

  well but hey you know this is like this [TS]

  is going to be a year of lots of changes [TS]

  you know like even if you don't change [TS]

  your job situation you still are gonna [TS]

  have a second kid in like three minutes [TS]

  and so that's gonna be a huge massive [TS]

  change in addition to just all of the [TS]

  you know developmental stages and things [TS]

  that Declan is going through during this [TS]

  time so like you're gonna have a big [TS]

  change this year you might be you know [TS]

  in many ways this might be a bad time to [TS]

  buy a new car because you're just too [TS]

  busy with other stuff you know like yeah [TS]

  buying a car especially for somebody [TS]

  like you cares about it is a time [TS]

  consuming endeavor as you know because [TS]

  you just bought the Volvo like you know [TS]

  two weeks ago or whatever like you know [TS]

  you know how much time it consumes to go [TS]

  through that process you also therefore [TS]

  can probably see like even if money [TS]

  wasn't the problem [TS]

  it's still not probably a good idea to [TS]

  for for you car nerd Casey who cares a [TS]

  lot about things to embark on this on on [TS]

  that kind of mission right now [TS]

  you know like can we get this straight [TS]

  starting a consulting business good time [TS]

  buying a car and no you do this honestly [TS]

  yeah because look your your job stuff is [TS]

  going through a bunch of transitions [TS]

  regardless because you have this time [TS]

  off and then and you have this new [TS]

  person that they hired whatever [TS]

  that you know so like you have like you [TS]

  know training and time off and then [TS]

  you're gonna have to go back and get [TS]

  plunged into the deep end of oh my god [TS]

  I'm back to work again in two months or [TS]

  whatever and that's going to suck [TS]

  completely you no matter how happy you [TS]

  are with that job and how happy they are [TS]

  with you that's gonna be a massive [TS]

  transition to jump from from basically [TS]

  from like you know paternity leave [TS]

  full-time dad at home to still having to [TS]

  be full-time dad at home and also then [TS]

  jumping back into work like that's a [TS]

  huge transition so it's going to be a [TS]

  very busy spring for you even if you [TS]

  don't go back to like even if you don't [TS]

  do consulting instead of going back to [TS]

  work it's still gonna be a very busy [TS]

  spring for you so it's only a question [TS]

  of you know you know which which of [TS]

  these busy paths you take but to add on [TS]

  top of that buying a new car as a car [TS]

  enthusiast I I don't think it's a good [TS]

  time for that [TS]

  well I see both sides of this right [TS]

  because part of the reason that took us [TS]

  forever to buy the Volvo is because we [TS]

  were trying to extract the the lowest [TS]

  possible price that we could achieve [TS]

  from several different dealers in [TS]

  several different states right but if I [TS]

  and that's partially because the Volvo [TS]

  was if I'm honest a little outside the [TS]

  price that we were willing to pay but we [TS]

  were you know reaching just like you [TS]

  know first-time home buyer or at least [TS]

  this was my experience when we bought [TS]

  the house were in now you know we found [TS]

  it even despite the fact that it was [TS]

  more expensive than we told ourselves we [TS]

  would we would be willing to pay but [TS]

  anyways I think if I really was [TS]

  hell-bent on buying a car and I had [TS]

  carte blanche from Erin to do it which I [TS]

  think you know if I looked at her and [TS]

  said no really it's time I need to get [TS]

  one I don't think she would really be [TS]

  opposed to it but anyways if I think [TS]

  within a day or at most a weekend I [TS]

  could drive the three to six cars I [TS]

  would like to drive to try them out to [TS]

  see what I think and if I'm not nickel [TS]

  and diming the dealer to death of the [TS]

  over every little thing I think I could [TS]

  have it done in a weekend like I [TS]

  understand what you're saying Marko when [TS]

  the typical case the approach is to [TS]

  nickel and diamond to email every dealer [TS]

  in a three to five state radius and say [TS]

  this is what I want and what's the best [TS]

  price [TS]

  so you can give and then argue with them [TS]

  when they inevitably don't tell me the [TS]

  best price they can give because they're [TS]

  incentivized not to tell me the best [TS]

  best price even beyond that there's the [TS]

  research beforehand there's all the [TS]

  thinking and reading and stuff you're [TS]

  doing beforehand I want to see what [TS]

  anyway that's true but like there's all [TS]

  that then even you know it's then you [TS]

  get the car then you have to do [TS]

  registrations and license you have to [TS]

  like change or activate about the new [TS]

  car about you know your various like [TS]

  there's a lot of overhead to it and and [TS]

  you know if you're gonna be spending a [TS]

  lot of overhead in the next few months [TS]

  oh it's something I think priority one [TS]

  is baby priority two is declan priority [TS]

  three is errand priority for is yourself [TS]

  and then priority five is job situation [TS]

  and you know that may be priority like [TS]

  eleven is oh I kinda want a new car also [TS]

  like this is such a weird time to do [TS]

  that like you know it's just not yeah [TS]

  that's not good yeah I know John even [TS]

  quiet what are you thinking I'm thinking [TS]

  you should go to bed all that restful [TS]

  sleep that you're gonna get get to sleep [TS]

  while you can huh oh yeah I was saying I [TS]

  think you're probably not gonna get a [TS]

  lot of sleep it's bad [TS]

  yeah well I guess we're gonna lose this [TS]

  like I guess I guess you're not gonna [TS]

  have a baby on the air let's pick some [TS]

  titles it's throwing enough time oh god [TS]

  Bless America right would it be [TS]

  insensitive for me like if Erin ran in [TS]

  to say this is time would it be [TS]

  insensitive of me to ask you to please [TS]

  put your file and Dropbox before you go [TS]

  actually yes because I'm gonna bring my [TS]

  my adorable with me and and as you both [TS]

  well know and she's uh you know series [TS]

  doing the hard work of birthing a baby [TS]

  he'll be sitting there tapping away on [TS]

  his laptop how's it going over there [TS]

  no I'm serious I am waiting for you yeah [TS]

  I had my computer with me when I when [TS]

  Declan was born and up until the like [TS]

  the the overnight when he was born you [TS]

  know like I said earlier he was born at [TS]

  like 5:00 in the morning up until that [TS]

  overnight portion she was basically just [TS]

  waiting around getting what's the drug [TS]

  that makes the that they use for [TS]

  induction cytosin [TS]

  but thank you yes you know she was [TS]

  getting her potatoes [TS]

  and rapport whatever and just kind of [TS]

  waiting like there was it took forever [TS]

  to get to the point that it was you know [TS]

  all hands on deck this is it and so I [TS]

  had a computer I don't remember what we [TS]

  were doing but I definitely had some [TS]

  down time in fact when I he should have [TS]

  seen Aaron's face when I asked her where [TS]

  my switch was and I told her it was [TS]

  because I wanted to bring it so we could [TS]

  play Mario Kart together not find that [TS]

  funny at all I thought it was hilarious [TS]

  but in I was also serious but she did [TS]

  not see the humor in it at all [TS]

  and you're gonna bring the switch you [TS]

  gotta at least bring a pro controller [TS]

  gotta at least bring a pro controller [TS]

  her so she's comfortable while using it [TS]

  right I mean I will I was debating [TS]

  bringing the doc but I won't but I will [TS]

  have a HDMI adapter in the room why not [TS]

  okay he's got a whole little setup over [TS]

  there he's got snacks he's got a switch [TS]

  she's got a little TV setup he's got a [TS]

  fan blowing on them you bring like a [TS]

  dorm fridge like we have snacks packed [TS]

  don't even worry sir at the birthing tub [TS]

  is for your wife I've actually I've been [TS]

  I've been trying to get the most recent [TS]

  episode of this is us on to my adorable [TS]

  so we so the two of us can watch that [TS]

  while she's just sitting there waiting [TS]

  for things to happen but anyway this is [TS]

  some degree because she knows how Declan [TS]

  went and she knows that there was a lot [TS]

  of sitting and waiting but here again [TS]

  there's Tina's second no Tina and John's [TS]

  second birth where it's like oh you sure [TS]

  you're gonna be doing a lot of sitting [TS]

  and waiting cuz I mean it'll almost [TS]

  surely go faster than the first but how [TS]

  much faster who knows it's half the time [TS]

  it's so many many hours right exactly [TS]

  exactly anyway we should do titles I've [TS]

  my pick is a roar threshold for pain [TS]

  in honor of air [TS]