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◼   ► you knew it was coming and here it is

◼   ► it's becoming a little bit too much of a

◼   ► pattern I don't know if I like this

◼   ► Brady people are we really expecting it

◼   ► this year right once is a fluke twice as

◼   ► a pattern and then the third is the one

◼   ► that they expect so I'm not sure we can

◼   ► keep this up forever for a variety of

◼   ► reasons but this year is the third

◼   ► annual one what's this one code the last

◼   ► Jedi

◼   ► very well done Brady yep that's the D

◼   ► with the movie number eight of the core

◼   ► series yeah of the new trilogy I think

◼   ► was it on Twitter or someone someone

◼   ► told me that like Disney has rebranded

◼   ► the old trilogy as something like Star

◼   ► Wars legends that's the phrase that they

◼   ► want to use to describe the original

◼   ► trilogy which if that is the case I am

◼   ► going to 100% reject that idea nope nope

◼   ► it's the original trilogy I'm not gonna

◼   ► call it Star Wars legends not gonna

◼   ► happen I heard someone talking about the

◼   ► original film from 1977 and they just

◼   ► casually said yeah it's been 40 years

◼   ► and I was like oh my god that who is 40

◼   ► years old

◼   ► 40 year old film Wow there's something

◼   ► strange about how old movies can be I

◼   ► know that sounds dumb to say out loud

◼   ► but I guess what I mean is how old can a

◼   ► movie that is still unacceptably modern

◼   ► ish looking movie B and the answer is

◼   ► getting pretty close to 50 years at this

◼   ► point you can watch a movie that's 50

◼   ► years old and feel like yeah that's a

◼   ► modern enough movie it doesn't stand out

◼   ► as something like from 1930 so yeah

◼   ► time passes us all by the Reaper

◼   ► approaches every day I tell you a film

◼   ► that two really old that has stood the

◼   ► test of time

◼   ► mmm The Wizard of Oz no yeah yeah I mean

◼   ► it you watch it and it is old but

◼   ► there's something about it that's very

◼   ► timeless like a lit looks like a really

◼   ► off but 1939 that's 200 years old at

◼   ► this point

◼   ► it's remarkable it is quite remarkable

◼   ► and I'd still watch that you know I'd

◼   ► look at it think I yet charming on film

◼   ► but still a good film you have to watch

◼   ► out for those monkeys anyway when I

◼   ► talked about it it was always a good bit

◼   ► off track and you just a spoiler there

◼   ► with your monkey line sorry I guess I

◼   ► guess I'll put it in the show notes of

◼   ► his of mine who spoiler for the bear

◼   ► very minor spoiler before we start

◼   ► talking about Return of the Jedi engaged

◼   ► like total into total spoiler zone I

◼   ► have to say I did think of you a lot

◼   ► today when I when watched her partly

◼   ► because both before and after the field

◼   ► I went to five guys and I always think

◼   ► of you and I go to five guys because I

◼   ► know you love her so much although I I

◼   ► went for my traditional bacon cheese dog

◼   ► right right and I did enjoy them that's

◼   ► not paid for by the way people five guys

◼   ► bacon cheese dog oh do it again I can

◼   ► never fault a man for his eating habits

◼   ► in a movie because it wasn't in the

◼   ► movie it was a before and after I also

◼   ► got a big bag of sweetie okay like I

◼   ► think I slightly misinterpreted what you

◼   ► were saying there I guess I can extend

◼   ► movie calorie forgiveness to an hour

◼   ► yeah I'm like an hour before and an hour

◼   ► afterward I think yeah that's a window

◼   ► of time when calories don't count naira

◼   ► and if you have some kind of horrific

◼   ► eating disorder you may eat three or

◼   ► four gigantic tubs of popcorn while

◼   ► you're sitting there watching movie like

◼   ► just just in theory but this is not as

◼   ► brought to you by big popcorn well also

◼   ► the other reason I thought of you and I

◼   ► know you think this is like means

◼   ► nothing and it does mean nothing okay I

◼   ► saw it in quite an empty cinema and I

◼   ► went for the posh site so it's comfy and

◼   ► at the end of my row was sitting another

◼   ► guy watching her alone who I swear was

◼   ► your doppelganger oh yeah I almost took

◼   ► a picture of him to show you but it was

◼   ► too dark it was crazy how much he looked

◼   ► like you huh I've never seen someone who

◼   ► I thought oh that guy over there he

◼   ► looks like gray but this time it was

◼   ► like whoa I feel like almost why I check

◼   ► our our times because I watched it today

◼   ► in a theatre that was it was just me

◼   ► alone in the theater like was there a

◼   ► Brady force ghost or astral projection

◼   ► sitting next to him in the back row

◼   ► watching this movie it's quite possible

◼   ► we were having a little forced moment

◼   ► together watching the movie maybe that's

◼   ► what happened I wasn't a plane out a

◼   ► while ago and there was someone sitting

◼   ► near me who looked like someone I knew

◼   ► and I texted them and said someone who

◼   ► looks just like is on my plane

◼   ► and they said okay and then I took a

◼   ► sneaky picture and sent it to them by a

◼   ► message and I looked at the photo and

◼   ► my god that does look like me anyway

◼   ► there's no picture so no phones in them

◼   ► movie theatres Brady only if you're like

◼   ► me an iPad on your lap no phones but

◼   ► like a mini computer is perfectly fine I

◼   ► was using my find to make eggs ah

◼   ► naughty Brady you're very naughty well

◼   ► it's got to be done yeah so anyway let's

◼   ► crack home how are we gonna do this

◼   ► review we're we're so bad at this it's

◼   ► the same thing why are we talking about

◼   ► the Wizard of Oz or my doppelganger it's

◼   ► because I never know how to warm up to

◼   ► these things yeah

◼   ► as per usual this is my second viewing

◼   ► of the movie so I saw it once yesterday

◼   ► and then once this morning to take notes

◼   ► okay

◼   ► and I think once again you have seen it

◼   ► for the first time on the day is that

◼   ► right that's correct I've just saying a

◼   ► few hours ago

◼   ► just to give people the the like place

◼   ► in time where we are I think again

◼   ► there's this weird thing that happens

◼   ► where on movies people's opinions tend

◼   ► to converge very quickly so we're just

◼   ► like walking out of the movie I went

◼   ► into it pretty spoiler free and I

◼   ► haven't heard anybody talk about it with

◼   ► the exclusion of my wife who I saw it

◼   ► with for the first time and so now now

◼   ► I'm gonna talk to you about the movie

◼   ► Brady I also was spoiler free I had seen

◼   ► the trailers but I can still consider

◼   ► myself to be pretty spoiler free and I

◼   ► know very little about how it went down

◼   ► but I have got a vague idea of what

◼   ► reviewers and fans have thought just in

◼   ► a very very kind mmm this is what people

◼   ► think kind of way but I have not been

◼   ► shaped by that in any way interesting I

◼   ► know you're still MN on your own so

◼   ► Brady the thing I guess we have to do is

◼   ► we have to do this the way Brady wants

◼   ► it Brady yeah what did you think of Star

◼   ► Wars the last Jedi there are two things

◼   ► I want to say from the outset okay it's

◼   ► like an opening statement here yeah

◼   ► there were two overarching things I want

◼   ► to say one is very big picture

◼   ► overarching like in the context of the

◼   ► whole series of Star Wars films and one

◼   ► is my broad sweeping overview of this

◼   ► particular film my big overall Star Wars

◼   ► thing I want to say is like people

◼   ► listening have different feelings about

◼   ► Star Wars some younger listeners don't

◼   ► care at all some of our older listeners

◼   ► don't care at all

◼   ► some people are like us and Mike grew up

◼   ► with a and it's a really big part of

◼   ► their life and I'm that like to me I

◼   ► grew up with a it's really important to

◼   ► me it's like a big part of my childhood

◼   ► and I don't think I'm the lone ranger

◼   ► because Star Wars has become very much

◼   ► part of the culture of our planet hasn't

◼   ► everyone knows who Darth Vader is and

◼   ► knows what the fuck made a force be with

◼   ► you so I don't feel stupid

◼   ► holding star was in a special place in

◼   ► my heart I don't feel like that makes me

◼   ► too weird

◼   ► ha right so I love my Star Wars and as

◼   ► they make more and more of these films

◼   ► and I felt it today watching the new one

◼   ► and I know how silly this seance cuz All

◼   ► Star was as fiction but I'm beginning to

◼   ► feel a bit like oh you're just making

◼   ► stuff up now just keep it going it's

◼   ► like there's the Canon that was the real

◼   ► like what really happened and now it's

◼   ► like oh come on you just making stuff up

◼   ► to make money now I am with you 100%

◼   ► like I understand that feeling entirely

◼   ► and related to that I saw in the news

◼   ► recently that Amazon announced that

◼   ► they're going to be doing TV series

◼   ► based on the Lord of the Rings that was

◼   ► essentially like I wouldn't have quite

◼   ► put it in those words you've articulated

◼   ► something in my head that I was thinking

◼   ► but that is exactly what I was thinking

◼   ► about the TV show is like oh okay so

◼   ► you're just gonna make up a bunch of

◼   ► stuff as opposed to the room stuff that

◼   ► happened in middle-earth right as

◼   ► opposed to the actual mythology of

◼   ► England you're just gonna make up some

◼   ► nonsense for your TV show like that's

◼   ► ridiculous so yeah I love that phrase

◼   ► because I that has clicked something in

◼   ► my head that I was thinking about

◼   ► something else and I can completely see

◼   ► how you feel about that as the modern

◼   ► post Lucas sale of Star Wars as that era

◼   ► has come upon us that is like oh they're

◼   ► just making up stuff now yeah now on the

◼   ► film itself I would say my overall

◼   ► feeling is probably more negative than

◼   ► positive mm-hmm but my main feeling is

◼   ► one of overall meh I was a bit bored by

◼   ► it and the thing that was most telling

◼   ► to me was afterwards when I walked out I

◼   ► just didn't think about it like if you'd

◼   ► like a film or you hate a film

◼   ► you're thinking a lot about it and you

◼   ► can't wait to talk to people about it

◼   ► and there's so many things on your mind

◼   ► and your minds buzzing and I walked out

◼   ► of the cinema and it's like it just fell

◼   ► out of my head hmm it's like it made

◼   ► very little impression on me and that's

◼   ► incredible because ultimate spoiler

◼   ► alert who would have thought that five

◼   ► minutes after seeing Luke Skywalker die

◼   ► I would just forget about it and not

◼   ► care but I did and like driving home I

◼   ► said come on ready you've got to think

◼   ► about this film you got to talk to grey

◼   ► you got to have interesting insights and

◼   ► opinions and it was a real effort to

◼   ► build up a lot of care about it hmm

◼   ► and one last criticism and this is my

◼   ► criticism of the film besides the fact I

◼   ► thought was boring which is a pity

◼   ► looking down my point and I know most of

◼   ► my points will be negative because

◼   ► that's just how these things work you

◼   ► know there were good things about the

◼   ► film but when I look through my negative

◼   ► points one thing that seems to join a

◼   ► lot of them together and annoyed me on

◼   ► multiple occasions was our galaxy

◼   ► leaking into their galaxy oh my god

◼   ► yeah yeah there are lots of little

◼   ► references and mannerisms or things that

◼   ► happen that I felt like hang on a second

◼   ► yeah this has been written in our galaxy

◼   ► yeah this wasn't written in their galaxy

◼   ► I'm gonna back you up on that and that

◼   ► on very many levels from big things down

◼   ► to very minor things yeah that is

◼   ► actually my very first note is related

◼   ► to something that happens in the

◼   ► beginning of me I feel like is I know

◼   ► what this is gonna pay yeah

◼   ► it's an hour our universe moment era

◼   ► anyway before we get into all the the

◼   ► point-by-point hmm odd man winching yeah

◼   ► what's big picture from grey what

◼   ► context should I be hearing your

◼   ► thoughts in yeah so to back up I think

◼   ► it's interesting that I went into this

◼   ► movie totally spoiler free because I

◼   ► didn't spend any real energy this year

◼   ► trying to avoid Star Wars boilers I was

◼   ► aware in previous movies feeling like I

◼   ► was trying to avoid stuff and failing

◼   ► maybe because a podcast co-host made me

◼   ► watch a trailer or because people just

◼   ► wanted to talk about a thing and I would

◼   ► see it

◼   ► I don't know what that does an

◼   ► indication of but I just think it is

◼   ► interesting that I didn't feel like I

◼   ► needed to try to avoid anything and I

◼   ► walked into the movie just totally cold

◼   ► I hadn't even seen the poster of the

◼   ► movie right I don't know if that is just

◼   ► our world getting much better with

◼   ► spoiler culture which I would hope they

◼   ► would give me a spark of hope Brady if

◼   ► our culture is getting much better about

◼   ► spoilers or if it was just a kind of

◼   ► like weird indifference on my part I

◼   ► don't know I just think it's no worthy

◼   ► okay but so when you say meh I think

◼   ► that there is there is something I have

◼   ► that as a parallel feeling which I had

◼   ► after our last year special which is

◼   ► this feeling that there is now going to

◼   ► be Star Wars forever mm-hmm and this has

◼   ► changed something and also a thing that

◼   ► over the course of our podcasts I've

◼   ► been mentioning a little bit more and

◼   ► more is that like the changing industry

◼   ► of how these things aren't produced and

◼   ► it's like a background radiation in my

◼   ► mind that I kind of can't get rid of the

◼   ► like our universe concerns about

◼   ► cinematic universes and how our movies

◼   ► made and especially how our long mega

◼   ► series may like what is the mechanics of

◼   ► this I've had conversations with people

◼   ► like in the industry looking at the

◼   ► horrible sausage behind all of it and I

◼   ► do feel like that has polluted my mind a

◼   ► little bit that is the background as for

◼   ► this movie this movie to me was

◼   ► Spaceballs the movie I feel like I had a

◼   ► little bit of a rollercoaster with this

◼   ► movie where I felt like things were

◼   ► tonally off for a while like I couldn't

◼   ► quite get into it for a bunch of reasons

◼   ► we'll get into and then at some point it

◼   ► just kind of clicked in my head that

◼   ► this feels like the people who made

◼   ► Spaceballs wanted to make a really

◼   ► serious Star Wars movie and they mostly

◼   ► did it but there's like a Spaceballs

◼   ► enos leaking through and when that

◼   ► clicked in my head I actually enjoyed

◼   ► the movie more like my expectations went

◼   ► from nothing to really low and then I

◼   ► felt like oh I can kind of enjoy this

◼   ► movie

◼   ► but then I have the same kind of

◼   ► problems as you like I found it sort of

◼   ► boring this is sort of unintentionally

◼   ► funny through my eyes I enjoyed watching

◼   ► it more than rogue one which I really

◼   ► didn't like but I don't think it's a

◼   ► very good movie and I think that this

◼   ► has now reached the point where it

◼   ► doesn't feel like Star Wars anymore and

◼   ► a lot of my notes are trying to figure

◼   ► out like what has occurred so that's my

◼   ► overall feeling of the movie ok can have

◼   ► a lot of upset people out there

◼   ► yeah ok so now you're making me nervous

◼   ► do you think that the fan consensus is

◼   ► that people liked it this is what I've

◼   ► heard oh no Brian I've seen is that

◼   ► critics quite liked the film ok but a

◼   ► lot of Star Wars fans have a mmmm that

◼   ► actually could work with some of what

◼   ► you just said but that could work for us

◼   ► I really am still getting messages and

◼   ► feedback from people who want to

◼   ► violently disagree with me about rip 1

◼   ► let's talk about rogue one at the end

◼   ► because I'm one of them and this film

◼   ► has changed me even more about rogue a

◼   ► but that's my final point I'd like to

◼   ► discuss carry and so let's do with the

◼   ► film at hand and can I start at the very

◼   ► beginning it please go right ahead

◼   ► because the last few Star Wars films

◼   ► that I've seen particularly force

◼   ► awakens that moment when you have the

◼   ► Silence of Lucasfilm and then there's a

◼   ► yeah this and the Star Wars comes up in

◼   ► the fan fairy like I got tingles when

◼   ► that happened previous times like it's I

◼   ► think probably even happened when the

◼   ► prequels came out it was like yeah Star

◼   ► Wars his back and it caused a real

◼   ► excitement this time and I don't know

◼   ► maybe it was my mood I don't know this

◼   ► time for the first time I found a bit

◼   ► cringy hmm I was like waiting for it to

◼   ► happen and then when it finally happened

◼   ► bang like I was sort of waiting for the

◼   ► big loud nor is I don't know if camp is

◼   ► the word but it felt like like a parody

◼   ► of itself it's like I bet they had a big

◼   ► loud noise at the start of Spaceballs

◼   ► right yeah it felt like a bit of a joke

◼   ► of itself this time this was at a point

◼   ► where I was completely neutral about how

◼   ► good or bad the film was gonna be mm-hmm

◼   ► but I didn't get that feeling this time

◼   ► this time I felt a bit embarrassed by

◼   ► mhm and I don't know if it's because

◼   ► it's being overused and it's now it's

◼   ► not special anymore

◼   ► explain it but that's the feeling I had

◼   ► I was like wow through the literal first

◼   ► note I kind of winced I don't know what

◼   ► it was I'm sorry this is what happened

◼   ► the first day I'm still worked on me

◼   ► we're just like yeah

◼   ► and then we had the traditional pan down

◼   ► and for the first time in a while they

◼   ► didn't try to be overly creative with it

◼   ► they just went pretty standard which was

◼   ► yeah it was nice

◼   ► there's a nice change up so the thing

◼   ► that you might expect is my first note

◼   ► on this is

◼   ► Spaceballs the phone call where we see

◼   ► our first order ships in the sky they're

◼   ► chasing the resistance you know like the

◼   ► classic Star Wars set up there's a chase

◼   ► between this the ships and then a single

◼   ► fighter appears with PO right that's the

◼   ► guy's name and he's like stalling for

◼   ► time and he calls the lead ship he's

◼   ► calling general Hux and yeah it's like

◼   ► okay your movie is opening dramatic

◼   ► scene and they start off with a joke

◼   ► which is essentially a joke about like

◼   ► facetiming with your mom a little bit

◼   ► yeah mobile phone reception not quite

◼   ► working yeah it's like oh he's calling

◼   ► for general Hux and like Poe is messing

◼   ► with him right he's pretending that he

◼   ► can't hear the guy to like wind him up

◼   ► and it's like okay I can kind of go

◼   ► along with that like a version of this

◼   ► that I think worked was in the the first

◼   ► movie in his first appearance he makes

◼   ► fun of kylos helmet right like you're

◼   ► talking yeah he's like I can't hear you

◼   ► with that hump like and he makes a joke

◼   ► of it that's like okay but this is

◼   ► totally in character but the thing that

◼   ► bothered me was not so much the joke

◼   ► it's the script language right he says

◼   ► I'm holding for general Hux and he says

◼   ► okay I'll like I'll hold I'm still on

◼   ► hold and maybe it's just a minor thing

◼   ► but that just really cook lokes wrong in

◼   ► my brain with the language like it's the

◼   ► laker yeah it's the laking that's gonna

◼   ► come up again and again it's the leaking

◼   ► of our galaxy into their galaxy that

◼   ► might sound like a minor thing but I

◼   ► really do think it matters hmm it's like

◼   ► how do you maintain a suspension of

◼   ► disbelief suspension of disbelief breaks

◼   ► you see the reality of the thing too

◼   ► clearly and this is one of those moments

◼   ► like using this language to say like I

◼   ► am on hold I know can you hear me can

◼   ► you hear me and okay I know exactly what

◼   ► we're doing we're doing the thing that

◼   ► I've done a million times like talking

◼   ► on cell phones or whatever then they

◼   ► sort of go back into it but he makes a

◼   ► joke about like oh I have an urgent

◼   ► message for general Hux mother yeah okay

◼   ► your momager that's what is like is that

◼   ► okay okay I mean maybe I could have let

◼   ► that slide but like that combined with

◼   ► the hold it almost feels like it's tempt

◼   ► I log that they just left in and there's

◼   ► another theme which i think is going to

◼   ► come up from me again and again is aside

◼   ► from the real world leaking into the

◼   ► Star Wars world

◼   ► I think somebody had a directive in this

◼   ► movie to not let any serious scene hold

◼   ► so over and over in this movie they have

◼   ► serious scene and they like end it with

◼   ► a joke or they have to have a joke that

◼   ► like breaks the tension too soon is like

◼   ► over and over and over again that's a

◼   ► thing that happens and I feel like this

◼   ► was again like right off the bat I felt

◼   ► a little bit off-kilter that was a

◼   ► little bit in disbelief at the the

◼   ► opening mood setting joke of the movie

◼   ► and so it continues on from here it's

◼   ► soso seems to me very much like people

◼   ► have said one of the things that worked

◼   ► so well in the force awakens was the use

◼   ► of humor right and it was there were so

◼   ► many funny moments in the force awakens

◼   ► that were just done perfectly they just

◼   ► got it right and it feels like they were

◼   ► over encouraged by that and someone said

◼   ► oh okay this is how this works now I

◼   ► have to be funny and it's a bit like you

◼   ► know how when a little kid does

◼   ► something funny and everyone says are

◼   ► you're really funny little kid and then

◼   ► the kids are starts doing it too much

◼   ► and it's not really funny anymore but

◼   ► they get encouraged cuz the adults think

◼   ► they're good and funny are you've given

◼   ► them positive feedback and now they

◼   ► start like humor babbling in every

◼   ► direction waiting to see what they hit

◼   ► on yeah that's what's happened here it's

◼   ► like they've got to encouraged by all

◼   ► the positive feedback about the humor in

◼   ► the force awakens and now they're going

◼   ► oh let's do it let's and it's like no no

◼   ► no no no you got to dial that back you

◼   ► know yeah and it's also in the case of

◼   ► explicit jokes

◼   ► as opposed to humor coming from a

◼   ► situation and it is like okay I can see

◼   ► someone like put the joke in here and

◼   ► then yeah okay alright well let's get

◼   ► into this space battle then shall we

◼   ► another comment I've got early on and

◼   ► it's another thing that happens early in

◼   ► the film and another criticism of the

◼   ► film it sort of goes away eventually but

◼   ► it is it happens too much that is the

◼   ► film is too slapstick mm-hmm like Finn

◼   ► falling out of his bed and his water

◼   ► suit leaking everywhere very weird like

◼   ► there are quite a few moments that felt

◼   ► too slapstick and like the film was not

◼   ► taking itself seriously and I'm like the

◼   ► time that happens this is a serious

◼   ► battle and thousands of lives seem to be

◼   ► at stake and we're having like Joe key

◼   ► moments walking around with water

◼   ► leaking out that's supposed to be this

◼   ► is like yeah Three Stooges this is

◼   ► classic I don't know I felt like the

◼   ► film was not serious enough a lot of the

◼   ► time there's a couple of space battle so

◼   ► I can't quite place which one this

◼   ► happens and but I think a good example

◼   ► of that like okay so so Finn wakes up

◼   ► and he's in a comical water leaking out

◼   ► bag that makes no sense at all to think

◼   ► about it for two seconds there's also a

◼   ► scene in the movie where Poe is running

◼   ► to his x-wing because he wants to go

◼   ► save the day and the whole hangar filled

◼   ► with several dozens of people explodes

◼   ► like and he's knocked out of the hangar

◼   ► and it's a bad moment but they

◼   ► immediately follow it up with like a

◼   ► physical gag about bb-8 reattaching his

◼   ► head like how does bb-8 head

◼   ► magnetically reattached and that's again

◼   ► the kind of thing where i just feel like

◼   ► you're undercutting these moments and i

◼   ► it happened so much I think it's on

◼   ► purpose and is like don't focus too much

◼   ► on everybody who just lost their lives

◼   ► we want to immediately plant the

◼   ► question of how does bb-8 reattach his

◼   ► head and the answer is in a slightly

◼   ► humorous manner that's how he does so

◼   ► like just forget about that entire cargo

◼   ► bay filled with rebels that just got

◼   ► blown up sort of reasonably early in the

◼   ► film we go to luke skywalker island and

◼   ► this was another place which i had a few

◼   ► good notes about i don't know how long

◼   ► we're gonna talk about this blue milk

◼   ► teat saying oh god it's really gross

◼   ► we're just not gonna talk about that

◼   ► because that was just dumb

◼   ► unnecessary it's an example of the movie

◼   ► feeling like it needs to do a thing this

◼   ► is also now like okay so we are

◼   ► depending on how you want to count it

◼   ► right we're either five or eight movies

◼   ► in and the movie feeling like it needs

◼   ► to have the beats every time and it

◼   ► starts getting weird or like you just

◼   ► don't want those beats anymore as like

◼   ► okay we're gonna have to have blue milk

◼   ► oh we're going to have to have poor

◼   ► Porkins dies every time immediately in

◼   ► his ex Wang like every movie he's there

◼   ► just eternally dying and this one with

◼   ► the blue milk was just so weird it's a

◼   ► moment where again what I was wondering

◼   ► is like has anybody in the Star Wars

◼   ► universe ever called it milk or is that

◼   ► just what the fans referred to it as and

◼   ► then the studio executives are going

◼   ► Opie blue milk let's keep going with

◼   ► this and now let's really show that it's

◼   ► actually milk from this disgusting semi

◼   ► humanoid creature it was really

◼   ► unnecessary you know at least I was a

◼   ► special guy I shouldn't have to say him

◼   ► milking the teat of some weird monster

◼   ► and then have blue milk all coming dead

◼   ► it's disgusting

◼   ► it gives ray a look like he's doing it

◼   ► on purpose to be gross which makes the

◼   ► whole scene even weirder yeah it's okay

◼   ► I mean just imagine Brady when you were

◼   ► a little boy in watching Star Wars and

◼   ► they said don't worry someday forty

◼   ► years in the future there will be new

◼   ► Star Wars movies and you'll get to see

◼   ► the further adventures of Luke what will

◼   ► he be doing he'll be milking a sort of

◼   ► cow creature and getting milk all down

◼   ► his beard that's what he'll be doing

◼   ► there was also a moment early on on Luke

◼   ► Skywalker Island where we see another

◼   ► moment of our galaxy leaking into their

◼   ► galaxy in a really matter way that made

◼   ► me even more uncomfortable than the

◼   ► other ways and that was when Luke

◼   ► Skywalker dismissively referred to laser

◼   ► sword yeah yeah instead of a lightsaber

◼   ► that's like a way that Star Wars fans

◼   ► would de ride muggles because they don't

◼   ► know what a lightsaber is and they just

◼   ► say laser Sun and Luke Skywalker was

◼   ► using that terminology to to ride people

◼   ► for not understanding Jedi's it's just

◼   ► too meta for me it was like it just

◼   ► really took me out of everything

◼   ► hang on this is weird Luke Skywalker

◼   ► shouldn't say laser sword I don't know

◼   ► if I'm right about that but I feel like

◼   ► there's a Lucas ISM fair that like

◼   ► George Lucas would call them laser

◼   ► swords as a joke and then this becomes

◼   ► the thing but there are so many times in

◼   ► the movie where I found myself running

◼   ► this metacognition loop of like has

◼   ► anyone in Star Wars ever said the word

◼   ► laser and it's like yeah no okay they

◼   ► have said the word laser so it's not

◼   ► unreasonable that he would use the word

◼   ► laser sort in a jokey way I was like why

◼   ► am i running this loop in my head at all

◼   ► trying to like cast back yeah and it's

◼   ► because I'm constantly presented with

◼   ► things that feel unstart Z and I'm

◼   ► trying to like back fit against the

◼   ► original holy trilogy this is what's

◼   ► occurring and I think that the movie

◼   ► even in a meta way is again in this

◼   ► distracting way talking directly to the

◼   ► audience where they have this recurring

◼   ► theme of like let old things die right

◼   ► like let Luke Skywalker die like let the

◼   ► Empire die like I feel like you're

◼   ► talking directly to me director in a way

◼   ► that is also uncomfortable just

◼   ► constantly running this meta loop of

◼   ► like what is this movie doing I was very

◼   ► aware of that as a theme in the movie

◼   ► like let the old things go it maybe what

◼   ► I have a feeling like there was some

◼   ► kind of director disagreement between

◼   ► this movie and the force awakens but we

◼   ► can get to that at a later point Iran

◼   ► this time by the way there is one saying

◼   ► that was almost a nice saying and then

◼   ► that got ruined by something that just

◼   ► didn't sit right with me and that's when

◼   ► Luke goes into the cockpit of the

◼   ► Millennium Falcon and like switches on

◼   ► the lights yeah but for a moment this is

◼   ► great moment where you see this classic

◼   ► old cockpit and there's Luke now you

◼   ► know ravaged by time and for a few

◼   ► seconds it was really poignant and I

◼   ► thought now that's working for me yeah

◼   ► and then they went and did this dice on

◼   ► the dashboard thing which becomes this

◼   ► important han Solo memento which I've

◼   ► researched a bit since but really

◼   ► they're trying to manufacture a hand so

◼   ► they are object here that is really

◼   ► scraping the bottom of the barrel and it

◼   ► never worked with me through the film it

◼   ► was supposed to be this special item

◼   ► that touched us at multiple points

◼   ► through the film but it didn't land with

◼   ► me yeah well Luke Skywalker island is a

◼   ► weird place especially on the second

◼   ► rewatch because I was aware of being

◼   ► confused of the timeline a little bit in

◼   ► the first one like how

◼   ► long does Ray spend on Luke Skywalker

◼   ► Highland how long is she there getting

◼   ► training I don't think she was very

◼   ► trained I think it was more of a tent or

◼   ► yeah like I'll put training in quotes

◼   ► right but I was looking at it and it's

◼   ► like okay at a bare minimum she's there

◼   ► for three days

◼   ► if the day/night cycle is to be believed

◼   ► on this planet but the way the movie is

◼   ► cut like what's happening on Luke

◼   ► Skywalker Island is cut with the main

◼   ► storyline in a way that they can't be

◼   ► happening at the same time you're seeing

◼   ► Luke Skywalker Island in a compressed

◼   ► format while the main plot is is going

◼   ► on I mentioned she was there for a few

◼   ► weeks for some reason but who knows how

◼   ► long she was there but she's trying like

◼   ► what is the minimum because the first

◼   ► time I was watching it I had it a little

◼   ► bit messed up in my head and I was

◼   ► thinking okay

◼   ► there's this space chase going on and

◼   ► she she's just arrived but the space

◼   ► chase maybe lasted like 18 hours so like

◼   ► what was she there for three hours how

◼   ► Luke Skywalker Island like you know got

◼   ► an inspiring talk and then headed back

◼   ► she was clearly there for a little while

◼   ► longer

◼   ► hmm I don't know how did you feel about

◼   ► seeing Luke again I felt similar to how

◼   ► I felt about layer in the force awakens

◼   ► like it's almost the toll that Age has

◼   ► taken on the actors is so great and

◼   ► shocking mm-hmm that it's very hard to

◼   ► slip back into the film hmm you're

◼   ► thinking Carrie Fisher Mark Hamill

◼   ► no it's been 40 years and I'm thinking

◼   ► how old is Mark Hamill now he must have

◼   ► been about a tonne when you vote doing

◼   ► that math in your head yeah instead of

◼   ► like being lost in the film and the

◼   ► magic of Luke Skywalker I'm thinking you

◼   ► know gosh you know he looks like a hobo

◼   ► and more like he seems like a fun guy

◼   ► online and you know he's pitiful legend

◼   ► of course he's a legend of my childhood

◼   ► but mmm I don't know

◼   ► maybe you know some things are best left

◼   ► as golden memories haven't tarnished I

◼   ► was very distracted by his appearance

◼   ► throughout the lil I found it very

◼   ► distracting what about you I think I

◼   ► just had a little bit of a hard time

◼   ► buying Luke

◼   ► mentor I think you have to do a lot of

◼   ► like mental backfilling in of what has

◼   ► occurred over this period of time mm-hmm

◼   ► but there is something in my mind which

◼   ► is disjointed where it's like oh the

◼   ► last time I saw Luke he was still kind

◼   ► of like a you know a kid with some

◼   ► tousled hair and he was also like

◼   ► everyone talks about how he's the great

◼   ► master but even like at the end of

◼   ► Return of the Jedi when he like saved

◼   ► the galaxy on the Death Star and all

◼   ► that he still kind of flipped it and he

◼   ► was a bit young it's a major plot point

◼   ► in those movies that he is ridiculously

◼   ► underprepared for what he's doing right

◼   ► they pulled it out by the skin of their

◼   ► teeth and he's not some amazing Jedi

◼   ► Master at the end of that movie no he's

◼   ► not like Yoda and stuff like he's not

◼   ► top level he's just like a he just got

◼   ► lucky in the Super Bowl

◼   ► got a fluky touchdown at the end yeah

◼   ► and the entirety of that great victory

◼   ► was undone in the preceding times we can

◼   ► have another sequence of movies but yeah

◼   ► there was something about him in the

◼   ► like oh you're going to be obi-wan

◼   ► Kenobi role then I felt like I don't

◼   ► know I just I had a little bit of a hard

◼   ► time buying him as the mentor I know he

◼   ► ran this temple and everything went

◼   ► wrong with kylo Ren but we've seen so

◼   ► little of that that it's it's just like

◼   ► oh you're just telling me stories about

◼   ► one hurt although I do have to say that

◼   ► as a small detail I did like that they

◼   ► flashback to the event like the pivotal

◼   ► night when kylo Ren and Luke Skywalker

◼   ► have a fight in the whole temple burns

◼   ► down I did like what you know because of

◼   ► my obsession with you can't trust your

◼   ► memories I liked how they showed that

◼   ► scene three different ways depending on

◼   ► the person who was telling the story

◼   ► yeah like when kylo Ren remembers the

◼   ► moment like Luke's eyes ever are filled

◼   ► with rage I can use and he's coming down

◼   ► like I thought that was quite nice

◼   ► because that just illustrates a thing

◼   ► that happens in real life like people

◼   ► remember things differently and it like

◼   ► you keep remembering and it gets built

◼   ► up in different ways and it did make me

◼   ► somewhat not trust Luke's retelling of

◼   ► the version of what happened it's just

◼   ► like there was a thing that happened a

◼   ► long time ago and like who knows now

◼   ► what the real events were so while we're

◼   ► still on Luke Skywalker Island what are

◼   ► your thoughts about the helpers he has

◼   ► that do all like the construction work

◼   ► and also the cute little Audrey's that

◼   ► run all around the island okay so the

◼   ► frog nuns who live on that island mhm

◼   ► that to me was laughable

◼   ► that was really I think when like the

◼   ► Spaceballs was entering my brain is it's

◼   ► just like this is weird

◼   ► and the way they cut to them like they

◼   ► just pop out of nowhere it seems like Oh

◼   ► suddenly there's a bunch of helper frog

◼   ► nuns on this island there's terrible

◼   ► there should have been no one because

◼   ► the first time I saw those stone huts I

◼   ► was just imagining Luke building them

◼   ► over 20 or 30 years and yeah this could

◼   ► have existence that he'd been having and

◼   ► I quite liked that I quite liked the

◼   ► thought that he's just there alone

◼   ► tending to these huts and fighting the

◼   ► elements and all of a sudden we've got

◼   ► all these like assistants and helpers

◼   ► yeah he has a bunch of maids like doing

◼   ► the laundry or whatever they're up to it

◼   ► was very weird because yeah it's a much

◼   ► better thing if he's there on his own

◼   ► like losing his mind a little bit or

◼   ► becoming really detached yeah it's gone

◼   ► from having banished himself to a rocky

◼   ► island sort of for the sake of the

◼   ► galaxy to him going to a resort in go

◼   ► away or he's on a Greek isle somewhere

◼   ► in a convent and as I was the most

◼   ► unfindable place in the universe but

◼   ► there's a bunch of nuns here you know

◼   ► and like they must have some kind of

◼   ► interaction with the outside like it was

◼   ► very weird and I hated them I thought

◼   ► they looked comical they just look

◼   ► stupid they looked prequel yeah I don't

◼   ► know if I would say that cuz I bet

◼   ► though those are physical costumes yeah

◼   ► yeah but they looked like space balls to

◼   ► me right like if space balls had to make

◼   ► up what you're gonna have in a convent

◼   ► this is what you would do and they are

◼   ► another example of a scene that I

◼   ► thought was like oh here's a scene that

◼   ► is actually pulling at me a little bit

◼   ► which is Luke Skywalker is not training

◼   ► Rey she decides that she's essentially

◼   ► going to be training herself so in the

◼   ► morning while she's practicing her

◼   ► fighting with her staff she takes out

◼   ► the lightsaber and she starts fake

◼   ► attacking this rock outcropping and they

◼   ► used the Rey theme which I really like I

◼   ► feel like this is the best music out of

◼   ► the new movies and Luke is coming up

◼   ► behind her and he sees that she like she

◼   ► is going to train herself with or

◼   ► without his help you know when the music

◼   ► is swelling and it's and it's all great

◼   ► and then once again like what happens

◼   ► here she accidentally cuts the stone

◼   ► statue in front of her so the stone

◼   ► rolls down the hill and knocks over a

◼   ► cart full of laundry from one of these

◼   ► nuns and then the two nuns look up

◼   ► her like him there really annoyed and

◼   ► it's like why did you put in a physical

◼   ► slapstick joke at what is maybe one of

◼   ► the more dramatic pivotal scenes that

◼   ► what the ice is here there's another

◼   ► great example of that gray about five

◼   ► minutes before that happens which again

◼   ► shows this film's inability to have the

◼   ► comic timing that the previous one had

◼   ► and that is that important moment when

◼   ► Ray hands the lightsaber to Luke how

◼   ► much was the end of the previous film

◼   ► and we all were dying to know what the

◼   ► first thing Luke's said or did would be

◼   ► and he does that you know comic throw it

◼   ► over my shoulder which I think they

◼   ► thought would have people like rolling

◼   ► in the aisles laughing and maybe it

◼   ► could have worked if the timing was done

◼   ► better but just the way it was cut and

◼   ► done was dreadful so I kind of blinked

◼   ► the first time that that happened the

◼   ► first on my first viewing and the first

◼   ► time I saw there were a bunch of people

◼   ► in the theater and everybody was like

◼   ► uproariously laughing like guffawing and

◼   ► Mara and I sort of missed it but I

◼   ► remember thinking in my head like oh

◼   ► what a bunch of cretin 'he's like in

◼   ► this theater like defying at this thing

◼   ► but then when i was able to watch it

◼   ► closely the second time like no that was

◼   ► clearly shot to be a joke yeah like they

◼   ► said to him toss it over your shoulder

◼   ► in a funny way it was clearly supposed

◼   ► to be funny yeah like it was supposed to

◼   ► be a visual gag but it just like that

◼   ► was not a time for joking this is such a

◼   ► moment being reunited with this light

◼   ► say but ray this character that as

◼   ► viewers we all completely love meeting

◼   ► Luke Skywalker for the first time but

◼   ► this was such a big man's like I've seen

◼   ► Luke Skywalker throw away a lights or a

◼   ► light sword great now it's infecting my

◼   ► brain right obviously Luke Skywalker

◼   ► throw away a lightsaber in a pretty

◼   ► dramatic moment previous leaks like Mark

◼   ► Hamill can do that in an emotional way

◼   ► but this was played as a laugh and yeah

◼   ► I don't know I have to look it up I

◼   ► don't know I'm presuming that JJ Abrams

◼   ► didn't direct this one that didn't feel

◼   ► nice okay Ryan

◼   ► okay but there were a bunch of things

◼   ► that felt to me in this movie like I

◼   ► think that there are directors or script

◼   ► writers having a disagreement with stuff

◼   ► that was set up in the force awakens and

◼   ► what is going to happen in this movie

◼   ► yeah and that lightsaber over the

◼   ► shoulder is like okay that to me feels

◼   ► like a

◼   ► rector is screwing with another director

◼   ► like oh we're gonna take your dramatic

◼   ► moment and the hell with it there's a

◼   ► whole bunch of stuff with like the evil

◼   ► emperor guy we'll get to it's like that

◼   ► feels like they just decided to discard

◼   ► what was happening before there's stuff

◼   ► with Rey's parents where it's like I

◼   ► think we're gonna change all of that

◼   ► there were a whole bunch of things that

◼   ► just felt like like I can feel the

◼   ► studio disagreement in the background

◼   ► about what's going to occur mmm and that

◼   ► lightsaber throat was was totally one of

◼   ► those things now other thing on Luke

◼   ► Skywalker island is okay all of the

◼   ► little puffin creatures who are around

◼   ► the Audry's there Audrey stuff they're

◼   ► not aw dude they're like little puffin

◼   ► creatures yeah they look nothing like

◼   ► Audrey battery doesn't thought she does

◼   ► not look like those little things yeah

◼   ► they were super cute I sort of didn't

◼   ► mind then like you good look you need to

◼   ► have something that's a CGI creature

◼   ► that you can sell a thousand merchandise

◼   ► copies up you gotta sell a few fluffy

◼   ► toys Diane yeah you need in a walk yeah

◼   ► and that's fine like I have no problem

◼   ► with that I understand this is how this

◼   ► works and I thought they were pretty

◼   ► well done like they're believable cute

◼   ► little creatures that's fine yeah we're

◼   ► it felt like the world is leaking in is

◼   ► the scene where Chewie is going to eat

◼   ► one of them I can he's cooked it up to

◼   ► be a perfect little chicken and yeah it

◼   ► is a cute scene that the little puffin

◼   ► creatures are all horrified that Chuy's

◼   ► about to eat one of their own yeah and

◼   ► they're looking at him with these big

◼   ► sad eyes it's like that sort of works

◼   ► for me except that like later in the

◼   ► movie they make another point with

◼   ► animals and it it just starts to feel

◼   ► like I don't know it's just it feels

◼   ► like something from the outside world is

◼   ► leaking in here and I'm thinking like

◼   ► what's chewy supposed to eat like

◼   ► presumably he didn't hunt down one of

◼   ► those little creatures just for fun like

◼   ► I think he hunted it down because he was

◼   ► hungry like what is he supposed to do

◼   ► yeah it just rubbed me a little the

◼   ► wrong way it's like it's a joke oh sorry

◼   ► the thing they're great is like the

◼   ► horse had bolted

◼   ► he's killed and conscience they're

◼   ► deciding not to eat it like I think it's

◼   ► tight like yeah I can't imagine them all

◼   ► there looking thinking I'll go on like

◼   ► give our friend a break like it's too

◼   ► late for your friend yeah he's already

◼   ► gone and actually where there were two

◼   ► of them cuz there was another one it was

◼   ► on the fire stuff or there was something

◼   ► in this moment where it's like maybe

◼   ► because of other thing

◼   ► in the movie I felt like my sensitivity

◼   ► was was turned up a little high but it

◼   ► felt like one of the script writers was

◼   ► trying to like get it on record like oh

◼   ► it's canon now that Chuy's a vegetarian

◼   ► uh yeah you can't have chewy a

◼   ► vegetarian his weakness for meat is a

◼   ► great part of eternal yeah of course you

◼   ► can't it's ridiculous and again I may be

◼   ► reading that too far but it's just like

◼   ► combined with other things I don't think

◼   ► I am I feel like there was a joke there

◼   ► about like Oh Chu he's not gonna eat

◼   ► meat anymore I'm the subject of

◼   ► Chewbacca just quickly cuz that's my

◼   ► next note on my list I thought he was

◼   ► strangely underused and unengaged in

◼   ► this whole film but he could have just

◼   ► not been in the film for all I care you

◼   ► know when when he shows up and Luke goes

◼   ► Chewie right that was my exact thought

◼   ► of like hey I totally forgot he were

◼   ► here what are you doing here buddy he

◼   ► never really is needed like later on

◼   ► they give him the Millennium Falcon to

◼   ► fly a little bit but yeah I think this

◼   ► is a recurring problem with a bunch of

◼   ► characters is like they have a bunch of

◼   ► people who if you think about it don't

◼   ► really do anything and Chewie is

◼   ► definitely one of those characters like

◼   ► he's just there because you need Chewie

◼   ► to be there in the movie but it doesn't

◼   ► feel like he's participating in any way

◼   ► Chewie felt like he did just about as

◼   ► much as c-3po does like CT Brio is there

◼   ► but he's not really contributing in any

◼   ► meaningful way so other things happen on

◼   ► Luke Skywalker Island throughout the

◼   ► film so let's deal with some more of

◼   ► them mmm we've got these Jedi texts in a

◼   ► tree yeah which seems unnecessary new

◼   ► items although there's some allusion

◼   ► later in the film maybe that they're

◼   ► gonna play a role later I don't know but

◼   ► we also have this kind of unexpected and

◼   ► unnecessary appearance of Yoda I mean

◼   ► either they're like the weird Tree of

◼   ► Life that has the books in it okay fine

◼   ► whatever

◼   ► Luke deciding he's going to be the last

◼   ► Jedi I think his reasoning seems

◼   ► confused about that but like okay

◼   ► whatever he's been living alone on this

◼   ► island oh wait no he hasn't he's been

◼   ► tended to by the monks but whatever like

◼   ► I keep moving

◼   ► but Yoda showing up for the first little

◼   ► bit I kind of loved it because it was

◼   ► the old Yoda it was a good-looking yard

◼   ► that's one of my positives I said by

◼   ► this film they got a good Yoda Yoda

◼   ► didn't look bad

◼   ► love that he burns down the temple and

◼   ► when they cut back to Yoda his little

◼   ► feet are pumping up and down like he is

◼   ► just like this is the funniest thing in

◼   ► the world like he has burned down this

◼   ► thousand generation old Jedi Temple and

◼   ► totally for the lulz right like that is

◼   ► a little thing that I genuinely loved is

◼   ► just that segments of the appearance of

◼   ► Yoda like a he did nothing else that

◼   ► would have been perfect

◼   ► I don't agree well I didn't notice the

◼   ► little dance that you're referring to

◼   ► when the movie comes out on blu-ray like

◼   ► someone's got to make a gift of that for

◼   ► me he's like peeing his pants with joy

◼   ► about burning this down just to get

◼   ► Luke's goat I don't like that he did

◼   ► that though I didn't like that part of

◼   ► the film that's when I ceased enjoying

◼   ► Yoda's appearance one I don't believe

◼   ► that force ghosts should be able to

◼   ► intervene in the natural world like that

◼   ► yeah that is one thing which is a little

◼   ► bit like new mechanisms in the movie

◼   ► okay force ghosts can interact with the

◼   ► real world as interesting and new and

◼   ► certainly would be useful at certain

◼   ► circumstances but okay and I also I just

◼   ► don't like that he did it I don't like

◼   ► that he baby burn that tree down and

◼   ► even though I don't care about the tree

◼   ► or the text like it doesn't seem like

◼   ► something he should do to teach Luke a

◼   ► lesson like I don't know it just seemed

◼   ► out of character I don't mind a bit of

◼   ► whimsy in my Yoda don't get me wrong but

◼   ► the actual thing he did saying oh no I

◼   ► am gonna destroy that tree and burn the

◼   ► text just so that Luke can have a

◼   ► learning moment that ruined that Yoda

◼   ► Center then I was like oh okay

◼   ► that was weird what I was largely

◼   ► worried about is what are those porn

◼   ► nuns gonna think about this

◼   ► yeah like when there was time in a

◼   ► thousand generations like presumably it

◼   ► was those frog nuns who've been

◼   ► maintaining it for a thousand

◼   ► generations and like what do they think

◼   ► about those like ah welp screw them once

◼   ► again who cares what they think about

◼   ► this like we're just gonna burn down

◼   ► their temple like okay we're frogs and I

◼   ► did have a nice little objectivity

◼   ► moment they would Luke was showing the

◼   ► text so ray and he was wearing gloves

◼   ► and stuff I was like think of my little

◼   ► moviemaking adventures then was very

◼   ► objectivity I wouldn't have thought

◼   ► about that but yes with the gloves even

◼   ► though that's worse

◼   ► so the yoader saying I liked their what

◼   ► you had to look like but it also just

◼   ► didn't add anything to the film and like

◼   ► a dist seemed like yeah also one thing

◼   ► Yoda said I didn't like this is another

◼   ► leak he called them page turners yeah I

◼   ► caught that serially I actually kind of

◼   ► like the joke that Luke hasn't read the

◼   ► books yeah it's just in character Luke

◼   ► wouldn't read those books no you're

◼   ► right that was alright the fact he

◼   ► hadn't read them was alright but then

◼   ► when Yoda said page tennis he may as

◼   ► well have said well they're not exactly

◼   ► The Da Vinci Code are they ok it's not a

◼   ► New York Times bestseller is it the

◼   ► thing that I kept thinking of with that

◼   ► is there's um I don't mean to bring up

◼   ► Laurence camp but there's there is a

◼   ► kind of famous example in The Hobbit

◼   ► where like someone the things I love

◼   ► about those books is the languages so it

◼   ► feels right when he makes like this kind

◼   ► of continuity error by accident there's

◼   ► a train that got into the Hobbit because

◼   ► he describes the dragon at one point in

◼   ► terms of like a train rushing by I was

◼   ► like but nowhere else in the book is

◼   ► there like this modern description of

◼   ► stuff ok and Yoda saying page turner is

◼   ► totally one of those things so now I'm

◼   ► gonna say something here and I'm aware

◼   ► I'm aware that what I'm doing is setting

◼   ► up a little bit of a Kafka trap like

◼   ► we've discussed before where I've said

◼   ► like no people who think a thing will

◼   ► think this thing I just wanna get on

◼   ► record I know that I'm doing this but

◼   ► there is a thing in is Yoda scene that

◼   ► fundamentally really bothered me

◼   ► it's Yoda talking about how failure is

◼   ► the best teacher right and like failure

◼   ► is super important hmm and I think this

◼   ► is there as a kind of pseudo

◼   ► intellectual skirt that the movie is

◼   ► wearing for a certain kind of fan

◼   ► because in this movie which you know if

◼   ► you're following the traditional

◼   ► structure of like it was a middle movie

◼   ► everything is the worst in this movie

◼   ► almost everything fails and Luke is

◼   ► talking about how the Jedi have been a

◼   ► failure like and he's not wrong and the

◼   ► plans that we're going to talk about

◼   ► later like they all fail like everything

◼   ► goes wrong

◼   ► in this movie and I think that Yoda has

◼   ► this little speech because it's again

◼   ► like nudging a certain kind of

◼   ► fan to say like oh but look that's the

◼   ► theme of the movies failure rightly this

◼   ► stuff doesn't make for unappealing

◼   ► watching just for no reason

◼   ► the whole point of it is that its

◼   ► failure like it's a theme do you see

◼   ► it's a theme for a movie it was just

◼   ► rubbing me the wrong way because there's

◼   ► a lot of complaints I have about this

◼   ► movie in the way it was structured that

◼   ► I feel like this is acting as a way that

◼   ► a certain kind of fan can go like oh you

◼   ► don't get it that's the point of the

◼   ► movie the point of the movie is that

◼   ► they failed at these critical junctures

◼   ► so it felt like Yoda was putting this

◼   ► there for a certain kind of person to

◼   ► use as a defense of the movie yeah I

◼   ► didn't look at it that deeply I just

◼   ► looked at it as like a corporate cliche

◼   ► but yeah I freedom to fail and that's

◼   ► what that was a boy's a big thing at the

◼   ► BBC when we're being trained to make

◼   ► films creatively you know must have the

◼   ► freedom to fail right and by the freedom

◼   ► to fail we mean we actually want you to

◼   ► do really well it also struck me as a

◼   ► little bit of a real-world ism leaking

◼   ► out because it's it's the same thing in

◼   ► schools or it's like a you know it's a

◼   ► real mind virus in Silicon Valley like

◼   ► oh you got to fail fast failing is just

◼   ► the best and it's like okay you know is

◼   ► better than failing is succeeding all

◼   ► right succeeding is better than failing

◼   ► yeah but you know whatever

◼   ► let's leave Luke Skywalker island plays

◼   ► thank God right we're gonna fly away

◼   ► like Rey after getting a 20 minute

◼   ► lesson on what the force is that's also

◼   ► a joke and it's pointless there's like a

◼   ► bunch of pointless stuff that happens

◼   ► but we're gonna skip it yeah I want to

◼   ► talk about what is now the main plot of

◼   ► this movie from which everything else is

◼   ► orbiting mmm all right the main

◼   ► structure of this movie is the

◼   ► resistance is in their Corvette and

◼   ► they're several smaller ships and they

◼   ► are being chased by the first order yeah

◼   ► and we have our opening battle which has

◼   ► some cool stuff

◼   ► I like the bombers like there's a bunch

◼   ► of interesting stuff in there those

◼   ► bombers that gray house slaw with a and

◼   ► a galaxy where everything moves so quick

◼   ► guys things are lumbering like tractors

◼   ► through space they were really slow but

◼   ► I didn't mind them I thought they were

◼   ► leaning really hard into like the naval

◼   ► warfare thing even turning up the dial

◼   ► with the language like oh we have a

◼   ► dreadnought like they were really going

◼   ► for the naval stuff

◼   ► is there any ship or object in the Star

◼   ► Wars universe that doesn't have one

◼   ► glaring weakness that is usually a big

◼   ► hole that you have to drop something

◼   ► until you blow it up I really need to

◼   ► get working on that yeah they do but

◼   ► like if I'm gonna guess what fans would

◼   ► be annoyed at is those bombers and they

◼   ► were the slowest things in the world but

◼   ► I didn't mind it I like the visuals of

◼   ► it I like that they were I liked the

◼   ► bombs yeah all the bombs falling down

◼   ► looked cool but was making them follow

◼   ► though if there's no gravity anyway I

◼   ► assume they were being pushed out it was

◼   ► a colloquialism that they're saying like

◼   ► drop the bombs

◼   ► I didn't take that as a literal the

◼   ► bombs are dropping because of gravity

◼   ► they did seem to fold are they there was

◼   ► a sort of folding 'no stu them as our

◼   ► folding into a hole but anyway yeah but

◼   ► I looked go with your people will let us

◼   ► know that I'm sure there's some Star

◼   ► Wars Wikipedia article on exactly the

◼   ► mechanism that those bombs use but the

◼   ► resistance is trying to escape and they

◼   ► want to use the usual Star Wars trick

◼   ► which is we're gonna Lightspeed out of

◼   ► here and they won't be able to follow us

◼   ► once we jump to Lightspeed because they

◼   ► don't know where we went I can't do that

◼   ► jump to Lightspeed and then minutes

◼   ► later the first-order reappears and it

◼   ► is quickly surmised sure how but its

◼   ► demise it like oh the first order must

◼   ► have tracked them through Lightspeed and

◼   ► this is where things start going a

◼   ► little wonky for me with the fundamental

◼   ► structure of the movie because first of

◼   ► all it's like okay we are now

◼   ► immediately establishing the idea that

◼   ► you can't track people through

◼   ► Lightspeed which I felt a bit like okay

◼   ► I don't remember that it seems like that

◼   ► would cause some problems in earlier

◼   ► movies if that wasn't possible but okay

◼   ► sure I'm happy to go along with this

◼   ► idea didn't I track the Millennium

◼   ► Falcon well maybe that is waited till I

◼   ► got to the other end and then found the

◼   ► bacon whereas here the problem was they

◼   ► were following the bacon like in real

◼   ► time yeah I like I was wondering about

◼   ► that I'd like to bumpa felt like he

◼   ► jumps into light speed after the really

◼   ► fun but like I don't remember exactly

◼   ► but whatever it's like okay alright in

◼   ► this universe you're establishing this

◼   ► is a thing right yeah but then minutes

◼   ► later they point out that that Leia has

◼   ► a magic ring that's ray can use to find

◼   ► her anywhere and it's like oh okay so

◼   ► you can't track people through

◼   ► Lightspeed but you can have homing

◼   ► beacons that work across the entire

◼   ► galaxy I'm not as aunty this is as you

◼   ► gray I think

◼   ► I understand what's going on here okay I

◼   ► genuinely want you to explain cuz I felt

◼   ► confused about this distinction of what

◼   ► is occurring and I was also I want to

◼   ► know did I miss something was there

◼   ► something on the capital ship that they

◼   ► were using to track them I feel like I

◼   ► missed something that I think there was

◼   ► something there we were being set up for

◼   ► that never happened like there was gonna

◼   ► be a mole or something yeah that's what

◼   ► I kept waiting for it's like oh there's

◼   ► a piece of equipment I actually thought

◼   ► I was going to have something to do with

◼   ► Finn but like because he was former

◼   ► Empire they were using him somehow like

◼   ► I kept waiting for a shoe to drop here

◼   ► that never dropped yeah the thing with a

◼   ► large Spade I think that you can track

◼   ► homing beacons and things like that when

◼   ► someone is at a place across the

◼   ► universe right there's a you know you

◼   ► can put a bug on someone and you can

◼   ► find out where they are at any given

◼   ► point but I think that doesn't happen

◼   ► while you're traveling through

◼   ► hyperspace and the thing that I think

◼   ► was made clear in this film than all the

◼   ► other films is the traveling through

◼   ► hyperspace is not an instantaneous thing

◼   ► it's like a voyage because you know how

◼   ► we see all those scenes where they're

◼   ► sitting at the window and yeah a space

◼   ► is going so I think the new innovation

◼   ► here is the ability to track vehicles

◼   ► while they're going through these you

◼   ► know wishy-washy like tunnels and I

◼   ► think that's what didn't exist before

◼   ► so when Han Solo and the money in Falcon

◼   ► get away at the end of Star Wars and

◼   ► grand moff tarkin says we're taking a

◼   ► terrible risk here by letting him get

◼   ► away through hyperspace because he's got

◼   ► the homing beacon so they know when he

◼   ► pops out the other end you will get the

◼   ► homing beacon back hmm this new

◼   ► innovation is a homing beacon that works

◼   ► while you're going through the

◼   ► wishy-washy tunnel hmm okay so this

◼   ► allows them to just appear sooner yeah

◼   ► you don't have to wait for meeeeee to

◼   ► pop out the other end and then do your

◼   ► five or six hour journey to get there

◼   ► okay you can be right on there but

◼   ► straight away okay that makes sense that

◼   ► makes sense that makes me feel better

◼   ► but it doesn't get to find fundamental

◼   ► problem which is okay so they they get

◼   ► out here and now the whole background of

◼   ► the movie is that there is this slow

◼   ► motion chase that is occurring right

◼   ► yeah that the resistance is flying ahead

◼   ► of snoke's

◼   ► ship and the first order and they're

◼   ► able to fly far enough out of range that

◼   ► guns can't hurt them but not far enough

◼   ► to actually get away and this is the

◼   ► moment where the Star Wars universe

◼   ► introduces the concept of fuel that the

◼   ► ship only has a certain amount of fuel

◼   ► that it can use that they can only make

◼   ► one more Lightspeed jump and even

◼   ► traveling at sublight speed they only

◼   ► have a certain amount of time that they

◼   ► can go hmm and I found it kind of crazy

◼   ► making this concept of fuel and I

◼   ► haven't looked at anything online but I

◼   ► did just ask some people about like does

◼   ► the original trilogy ever reference fuel

◼   ► and the answer is like it's implied but

◼   ► nobody ever talks about it is one of

◼   ► those things where I realize like it's

◼   ► never occurred to me the concept of fuel

◼   ► with the ships like it's never crossed

◼   ► my mind but now this is like a

◼   ► fundamentally important mechanism okay I

◼   ► think you're splitting hairs there I

◼   ► think it's pretty obvious that these

◼   ► vehicles are gonna need fueling well

◼   ► like at one point or another because

◼   ► like I'm simply saying it never really

◼   ► crossed my mind

◼   ► but now like here is a mechanism around

◼   ► which the movie revolves and it is a

◼   ► ticking time bomb right we have 18 hours

◼   ► before the ship runs out of fuel it's

◼   ► like okay I guess so but then also this

◼   ► Chase is just happening and it's like

◼   ► how does this chase work the ship is

◼   ► always able to just stay out of range

◼   ► but never actually get very far and they

◼   ► can't catch up and then okay if I even

◼   ► give you that scenario which is a little

◼   ► bit hard to imagine like even if you're

◼   ► imagining like cars doing this in the

◼   ► real world it's a little bit hard to

◼   ► understand like how does this work

◼   ► exactly you're traveling at exactly the

◼   ► same speed but one of the cars is a

◼   ► hundred thousand times the size of the

◼   ► other car like this quite a coincidence

◼   ► and this is without even getting into

◼   ► all like nerdery that nobody cares about

◼   ► about acceleration if in space like I'll

◼   ► leave all of that to the side yeah

◼   ► here's my background problem how big is

◼   ► the first order in this movie because

◼   ► this whole scenario just doesn't hold up

◼   ► it's implied and it becomes the case

◼   ► that's like the entire resistance is

◼   ► being chased the ships that are here is

◼   ► everyone that's left it's like okay got

◼   ► it

◼   ► but the first order do they not have any

◼   ► other ship that can warp in a head of

◼   ► the resistance Corvettes like they know

◼   ► where it is like this weird chase

◼   ► implies that these are all of the first

◼   ► order ships that exist that they can't

◼   ► have anybody come in at light speed

◼   ► ahead of the resistance I get just the

◼   ► chase is dumb and makes no sense on any

◼   ► level but it's the structure of the

◼   ► whole movie it sort of drove me crazy

◼   ► because it kept pushing back to this

◼   ► thing that we mentioned with the force

◼   ► awakens of like like I can't believe

◼   ► that I'm here asking for more politics

◼   ► in my Star Wars movies but I really

◼   ► think it's like a background rot of

◼   ► these movies like where did the first

◼   ► order come from how big are they how

◼   ► powerful are they like in the last movie

◼   ► they built a gun the size of a planet

◼   ► but in this movie they don't have one

◼   ► ship to spare to warp in ahead of the

◼   ► guys you're chasing it just drives me

◼   ► crazy like this inability to understand

◼   ► the scale of the enemy in the movie I

◼   ► think it's it's really really bad yeah

◼   ► and that assault at the very end of the

◼   ► film tow that they launched on the

◼   ► bunker also seems quite small-scale

◼   ► doesn't in this game of things for how

◼   ► important it is but because here's the

◼   ► thing okay chasing down the resistance

◼   ► seems so important that the supreme

◼   ► leader of the first order in his capital

◼   ► ship is there to personally oversee this

◼   ► event like it seems incredibly important

◼   ► but you can't fly a couple more ships in

◼   ► to resolve this within an hour what that

◼   ► makes it feel like is this is it like

◼   ► this is the whole battle all of the

◼   ► first order ships are here and all of

◼   ► the resistances here which then I can't

◼   ► come up with a metaphor for it but I

◼   ► just I keep coming back to this idea

◼   ► that it

◼   ► it feels like this is a fight between

◼   ► two school gangs it made the whole thing

◼   ► seem really small the small size of the

◼   ► rebellion I think shocked me at times is

◼   ► that is that all they've got I have to

◼   ► say I always assumed the first order is

◼   ► bigger much much bigger and there were

◼   ► so many other problems I had with the

◼   ► scenario I didn't even think about what

◼   ► you're thinking about I never even

◼   ► thought about I kind of just accepted

◼   ► the premise yeah I just think that it's

◼   ► like you can't have it both ways you

◼   ► can't have it that this is so important

◼   ► that the top guy is here but it's not so

◼   ► important that we're not gonna pull

◼   ► personnel from anywhere else in the

◼   ► entire galaxy to help out right it's

◼   ► like these two things can't be true and

◼   ► yet I agree that story wise the first

◼   ► order has to be enormous there's some

◼   ► line in the beginning of the movie where

◼   ► someone says something like oh the first

◼   ► order is weeks away from capturing all

◼   ► the major star systems right which

◼   ► sounds like a metric ton of ships but

◼   ► then this whole fight is taking place on

◼   ► such a small scale that it just it makes

◼   ► things feel small and I think it's like

◼   ► it's a problem for the whole movie this

◼   ► the structure but it sounds like you had

◼   ► some kind of different problem with it

◼   ► that distracted you from this the

◼   ► problem that was distracting me from

◼   ► that problem okay right god it was

◼   ► obviously while this scenario is

◼   ► unfolding this low speed chase right we

◼   ► have some of the characters decide they

◼   ► think they can solve the problem by

◼   ► enlisting some code breaker and breaking

◼   ► onto the other ship but to get him

◼   ► they've got to go to like some other

◼   ► place in the galaxy right and they just

◼   ► like they leave they get on a ship and

◼   ► leave and go and have another adventure

◼   ► and come back so it's like this

◼   ► low-speed chase where everyone's

◼   ► supposed to be trapped but it was like

◼   ► you can just come and go as you please

◼   ► like so when Poe and Rose decide to go

◼   ► off and have this other adventure and

◼   ► they jump in a ship and say alright

◼   ► we'll catch you guys later people can

◼   ► just complete what that's crazy yeah

◼   ► it's one of those things in a movie

◼   ► where I think they're just hoping you

◼   ► don't notice or don't think about it

◼   ► they don't give you a little bit of

◼   ► fluff to make it seem like you get away

◼   ► with it but no one's buying that they do

◼   ► give you some fluff but here's the thing

◼   ► they pulled that same trick twice

◼   ► because jumping forward later on in the

◼   ► movie the whole plan is we're gonna

◼   ► eject 30 transport ships that they're

◼   ► just not gonna see it's so yeah and

◼   ► you'd think if there was some other

◼   ► planet nearby where this low-speed chase

◼   ► was happening yeah the first order would

◼   ► be all over that I'd be like look this

◼   ► Chase is gonna take us near a big planet

◼   ► saying so maybe that's gonna come into

◼   ► play

◼   ► it wouldn't be some shock that they try

◼   ► and use the planet somehow yeah the

◼   ► thing that I was also wondering is like

◼   ► presumably the Corvette is headed

◼   ► straight for the planet right like if

◼   ► they're running out of fuel and they

◼   ► only just barely get there I'm imagining

◼   ► they were headed pretty straight for it

◼   ► and they have this throwaway line about

◼   ► like oh we're headed towards this

◼   ► uncharted planet but again I'm also

◼   ► feeling like but yeah it's a planet

◼   ► you're towing in a first order right

◼   ► behind you like the first order would be

◼   ► thinking look the only play these guys

◼   ► have got yeah is to get onto that planet

◼   ► because they're about to run out of fuel

◼   ► and get the hell blasted out of them so

◼   ► whatever we do make sure we keep the

◼   ► radars to make sure they don't send any

◼   ► ships to that planet yeah and yeah it's

◼   ► this like it's this great spooky move

◼   ► that no one yeah yeah it's like the side

◼   ► adventure is trying to set you up for

◼   ► this idea they're like oh we can leave

◼   ► and come back and they won't see like

◼   ► really okay okay that's a hell of a

◼   ► claim the Star Wars legends films gray

◼   ► did they have these problems like we

◼   ► were little kids watching them we're

◼   ► parents laughing at us because of all

◼   ► these ridiculous plot holes well again

◼   ► every watch them as an adult and one of

◼   ► the things that I have to give them real

◼   ► credit for is they have sensible

◼   ► explanations for a bunch of stuff so one

◼   ► of the things here is like okay so in

◼   ► this movie at the very end the

◼   ► Millennium Falcon takes out what seems

◼   ► to be like 20 Typhoid errs and there's

◼   ► like okay there's no problem at all ray

◼   ► and Chewie are able to take down all

◼   ► these time fighters and rise pretty

◼   ► skilled and got the fullest and stuff

◼   ► yeah I know it's like okay I get I'm

◼   ► gonna give them all that right I'm gonna

◼   ► give them all those advantages and

◼   ► that's fantastic but like in the

◼   ► original movie yeah they took down a

◼   ► bunch of Thai fighters but it was part

◼   ► of the plot that the Empire was letting

◼   ► them get away and I feel like somehow

◼   ► that first like Oh our clunky Millenium

◼   ► Falcon was able to get away in a

◼   ► situation where the Empire was letting

◼   ► them get away has morphed into the

◼   ► Millennium Falcon is the most nimble

◼   ► ship in the universe

◼   ► they take down everything this was my

◼   ► force awakens criticism all over again

◼   ► the special powers they've been imbued

◼   ► on the Millennium Falcon are very

◼   ► frustrating yeah it's crazy and I like I

◼   ► think I was less sensitive to that last

◼   ► time but this time

◼   ► time but this time

◼   ► I felt like oh come on because I had

◼   ► lost track of all of the TIE fighters I

◼   ► was like wait a minute what happened to

◼   ► all those Tie Fighters and then my wife

◼   ► she's like oh the Millennium Falcon just

◼   ► just wiped them on that like uh okay

◼   ► right got it

◼   ► great but I think that like that's a key

◼   ► thing that there were more reasonable

◼   ► explanations stuff that's a dumb plot

◼   ► idea that like oh you drop a bomb in a

◼   ► particular hole in the whole thing blows

◼   ► up is like okay fine whatever but at

◼   ► least it's a mechanism for why can a

◼   ► tiny number of ships defeat a larger

◼   ► number of ships yeah right whereas in in

◼   ► this movie repeatedly we have this idea

◼   ► that like the ridiculously outclassed

◼   ► resistance is able to just win because

◼   ► they're better like in the end fighting

◼   ► scene it was really the case was like

◼   ► they call out by number like the

◼   ► resistance has 13 ships and we are here

◼   ► on the planet with like all of this

◼   ► material like and we're still gonna get

◼   ► our asses handed to us it's frustrating

◼   ► and I think it's just nonsensical

◼   ► because you the movie wants certain

◼   ► things to happen well like it or not PO

◼   ► and Rose go to Vegas the you know Monica

◼   ► Monica is that's where they go I swear

◼   ► to God I was looking at that I was like

◼   ► did they actually film it in Monaco I

◼   ► was waiting for a gigantic sign that

◼   ► said welcome to Monaco in the background

◼   ► you know like some CGI artists forgot to

◼   ► erase Brady I hate this part of the

◼   ► movie I hate this part of the movie so

◼   ► much weighing levels yeah I'm with you

◼   ► it's really bad

◼   ► except gray I really loved the scene

◼   ► where they put the coins in bb-8 because

◼   ► they think he's a slot machine I thought

◼   ► that was really clever it was really

◼   ► clever it was terrible I know what I

◼   ► loved about that the reason I was gonna

◼   ► say is kind of clever is I didn't notice

◼   ► on the first watching

◼   ► but on the second watching I like that

◼   ► the fully artist bothered to make coin

◼   ► rolling around sounds whenever bb-8

◼   ► moved about like oh I didn't I didn't I

◼   ► would never have noticed it on the first

◼   ► watching but on the second watching I

◼   ► was like I like this way better because

◼   ► somebody cared to have it like a bag

◼   ► full of money that he was moving around

◼   ► in the Foley Department I think that is

◼   ► where this film strayed too far into

◼   ► prequel territory that whole thing this

◼   ► is also where I gotta say like the real

◼   ► world coming into the movie is just it's

◼   ► like it's too much for me yeah why would

◼   ► gambling in that guy

◼   ► it'd be so similar to air gambling

◼   ► before we get there okay thing I liked

◼   ► it's like okay this I enjoyed as a turn

◼   ► for two seconds before you you leaned

◼   ► into a too much movie I liked the idea

◼   ► they're gonna go to a hive of scum and

◼   ► villainy right and engineer fangirl is

◼   ► there and she says oh we're you know

◼   ► these are the worst people in the world

◼   ► and I liked for two seconds that it's a

◼   ► bunch of rich people in a casino right I

◼   ► thought that is a nice turn on the

◼   ► expectation that's a nice little genre

◼   ► flip here I'd like the idea it wasn't

◼   ► really explored very far I also liked

◼   ► the idea of there being Star Wars arms

◼   ► dealers it was selling eighty eighty s

◼   ► and x-wing fighters and we're gonna have

◼   ► to finally disagree on that but so that

◼   ► thing about like okay they're the worst

◼   ► people in the world it's a bunch of rich

◼   ► people in Monaco it's like okay I can

◼   ► get along with it I think that's a fun

◼   ► idea but it's a fun idea for two seconds

◼   ► and then as we like we lean into it with

◼   ► all of these other elements it again

◼   ► it's the real world like leading into

◼   ► the Star Wars world and like I felt like

◼   ► I lost my mind at the arms dealer part

◼   ► mmm

◼   ► it felt like the most unstart thing ever

◼   ► I'm gonna sorry Julie I'm gonna retract

◼   ► what I said now I think about it more

◼   ► because although I do have always had

◼   ► questions about where x-wing fighters

◼   ► come from right where Dex wings come

◼   ► from because the rebellion of got so

◼   ► many of them and the rebellion it's not

◼   ► like an army

◼   ► it was very our galaxy into that galaxy

◼   ► and it was also picking something that's

◼   ► very zeitgeist isn't it it felt like

◼   ► we're having a little like Occupy Wall

◼   ► Street moment or something or it was

◼   ► like I'm having a character tell me that

◼   ► the only way you can get this rich in

◼   ► the Star Wars universe is by selling

◼   ► arms to the first order as I okay well

◼   ► yeah and don't be cruel to animals yeah

◼   ► well we'll get there it's like that's

◼   ► interesting that you're telling me that

◼   ► in in this entire like galaxy spanning

◼   ► universe there's no software

◼   ► billionaires like like who's writing the

◼   ► user interfaces for these machines you

◼   ► know really this is the only way you can

◼   ► get this wealthy if it's the only way

◼   ► you can get this wealthy like how is the

◼   ► first order paying for all of this like

◼   ► surely there's wealthier guys in the

◼   ► first order like buying the guns well

◼   ► I've got text I've got text but like

◼   ► surely there's

◼   ► who invented Facebook in this galaxy he

◼   ► must be rich yeah I know that so there's

◼   ► a thing about it which I just I really

◼   ► hate this character introduces like all

◼   ► of these rich people are bad and all of

◼   ► us terrorists in the resistance are

◼   ► great all right we have not one but two

◼   ► suicide bombers in the resistance in

◼   ► this movie they're fantastic people but

◼   ► like these people in this casino they're

◼   ► all bad and they're selling guns to the

◼   ► first order

◼   ► and when they paper in the casino here

◼   ► just like they're on a stag day yeah but

◼   ► that's what I was wondering it's like

◼   ► all of them are arms dealers like that's

◼   ► a lot of arms dealers that little

◼   ► leprechaun he's an arms dealer the

◼   ► bazaar

◼   ► opera singer who who yells when the

◼   ► horses come running through the casino

◼   ► with she an arms dealer are all the

◼   ► people working in this casino arms

◼   ► dealers you know it's it's crazy

◼   ► and also fair if you have this like

◼   ► special casino where only arms dealers

◼   ► can go and everyone is that rich so I

◼   ► accept the premise that they're all arms

◼   ► dealers right wouldn't security be a bit

◼   ► higher than having these people park

◼   ► their shuttle on a bender yeah but this

◼   ► is this is it like that doesn't make any

◼   ► sense right but but here we are like

◼   ► we're with the 1% of the 1% with the

◼   ► arms dealers but you can just walk in it

◼   ► doesn't make any sense and I'm really

◼   ► glad that they touched on it later

◼   ► because I swear to god I was sitting in

◼   ► this seat like fuming at this point also

◼   ► because this is where I was like rose I

◼   ► hate you and I want you to die so badly

◼   ► but when she's talking about the arms

◼   ► dealers like it was all I could do to

◼   ► not scream at the film like where do you

◼   ► get those x-wings from like where do you

◼   ► think you're buying these things from

◼   ► and I'm like I'm so glad that the movie

◼   ► just touched on it briefly for a second

◼   ► yeah it's like why are your guns better

◼   ► than their guns like are your guns made

◼   ► with flowers and lights and love and oh

◼   ► the first order they're just bad this

◼   ► sort of going back to rogue one I feel

◼   ► like this movie had a real problem in

◼   ► the way that one did have like you need

◼   ► to give me more reasons to like the

◼   ► resistance and to dislike the first

◼   ► order did rise explain why she was say

◼   ► auntie these people - it's like she felt

◼   ► it really struggling it's like she was

◼   ► educating PO about why this is bad yeah

◼   ► like was Rose like a slave to them at

◼   ► some

◼   ► why did I miss that was she more abused

◼   ► in her background than the others I

◼   ► think she says briefly is that her

◼   ► planet was strip mined by the first

◼   ► order to then buy the guns from the arms

◼   ► dealers like again it's like okay some

◼   ► kind of weird thing and then the arms

◼   ► dealers were testing out their weapons

◼   ► on her planet and then like she quote

◼   ► lost everything she may have said it but

◼   ► I certainly didn't feel it yeah and I

◼   ► was like great I don't care about you at

◼   ► all but it's just there was something

◼   ► about it that's just childish

◼   ► in this way I'm like oh all these people

◼   ► in the casino are terrible people and

◼   ► all of the resistance fighters are great

◼   ► and just combined with the things like a

◼   ► little moment in a movie which I think

◼   ► it they all add up was like I should

◼   ► like the resistance but I just don't and

◼   ► one of the reasons I don't like the

◼   ► resistance is when we first meet Rose

◼   ► what is she doing she's stunning and

◼   ► throwing in the brig deserters from the

◼   ► resistance who are trying to escape what

◼   ► they view as a pointless mission where

◼   ► they're all going to die and it's like

◼   ► shouldn't story-wise the resistance be

◼   ► the force that lets you go if you want

◼   ► to leave isn't that a way to make them

◼   ► sympathetic instead of like oh you're

◼   ► stun gunning all day long people who

◼   ► were trying to desert still need some

◼   ► military precision in these crisis

◼   ► situations great yeah don't get me wrong

◼   ► in real life if I was running a

◼   ► resistance

◼   ► I'd have stun Gunners standing at every

◼   ► escape pod all right like that's what I

◼   ► would really do but I'm just talking

◼   ► about like story wise why do you have to

◼   ► explicitly call this out like why can't

◼   ► you have her be doing almost anything

◼   ► else I have no real reason to like the

◼   ► resistance and then they're filled with

◼   ► dumb characters who do stupid things

◼   ► which makes them even more unlikable

◼   ► I've just realized by the way for

◼   ► everyone listening it isn't PO that goes

◼   ► off with roses oh yes yes and it's been

◼   ► sorry for all those times I've said I'm

◼   ► frustrated you my name is a bit mixed up

◼   ► but anyway I'm sure you've got that any

◼   ► feedback on that at all that will have

◼   ► written the comments now where I

◼   ► corrected it so great just a quick

◼   ► intermission here before you continue

◼   ► with your Monaco tirade which I'm

◼   ► looking forward to all of these things

◼   ► you think like these plot holes and

◼   ► these things that drive you crazy are

◼   ► you thinking them during the film or

◼   ► later because this

◼   ► pretty complicated stuff you're thinking

◼   ► about and the film goes at a reasonable

◼   ► pace I don't think I have time to think

◼   ► of all these plot holes until afterwards

◼   ► I certainly think about them afterwards

◼   ► do you think about them afterwards

◼   ► ordering a lot of this stuff I was

◼   ► thinking during but I think that's

◼   ► because this movie felt like a slower

◼   ► movie like during rogue one I remember a

◼   ► feeling of just being more confused or

◼   ► like not following parts but this movie

◼   ► there was a bunch of stuff that was

◼   ► bothering me during it so like the thing

◼   ► about the fuel and the relative speed of

◼   ► the ship sighs like this is crazy and it

◼   ► makes no sense it's the problem again of

◼   ► like breaking a suspension of disbelief

◼   ► that then causes me to be sitting there

◼   ► and thinking about a thing and that that

◼   ► is the whole magic of a good movie is a

◼   ► good movie doesn't do that it doesn't

◼   ► break you out and get you thinking about

◼   ► the stuff but landing in a place which

◼   ► is obviously Monaco and then talking

◼   ► about arms dealers it's like oh okay I

◼   ► thought I was going to enjoy a movie but

◼   ► now I'm getting like a political lesson

◼   ► from the writers of this script and

◼   ► that's what like kicks me out of it and

◼   ► then starts a little loop in my head

◼   ► where I'm thinking about the movie as

◼   ► I'm watching the movie so I'm in the

◼   ► Vegas or Monaco what if you want to call

◼   ► a thing I didn't like at all and then

◼   ► this person they go to get the help from

◼   ► like we save hit that person briefly and

◼   ► then they obviously don't get to get

◼   ► that person and then there's this other

◼   ► person and then there's the horse-racing

◼   ► saying yeah well just like this was

◼   ► shark jumping territory for me there's

◼   ► two things here and I feel like after

◼   ► this I have a whole bunch of just minor

◼   ► points about the movie but it's like the

◼   ► casino thing it's where the movie broke

◼   ► for me because I was thinking this is so

◼   ► Monaco I can't believe it and then they

◼   ► introduced a race track and that's like

◼   ► it's too much right it's too much hmm

◼   ► it's like they flew to a casino city

◼   ► that was called Las Vegas and there's a

◼   ► gigantic pyramid in the middle of the

◼   ► city it's like it's too much but really

◼   ► home with that kind of like lost me and

◼   ► was very very space ballsy was so they

◼   ► they meet in prison the guy who's gonna

◼   ► break codes for them you know it's just

◼   ► like a fantastic miracle of luck they

◼   ► bump into this guy and they they staged

◼   ► like an escape and off camera

◼   ► in an unspecified manner bb-8 has

◼   ► disabled handcuffed and duct-taped over

◼   ► their mouth three guards

◼   ► yeah and the movie does it is like a

◼   ► little joke where Benicio del Toro was

◼   ► like oh did you do that and then they

◼   ► show another guard come around and bb-8

◼   ► uses all of those coins so cleverly put

◼   ► in his chest and like shoots the guy

◼   ► down with a bunch of coins as if you're

◼   ► not insulted enough by the fact he's

◼   ► tired these people out there gonna spit

◼   ► in your face and have him use these

◼   ► coins as yeah and then he blows on the

◼   ► the nozzle of his gun like he's Clint

◼   ► Eastwood and it's like what is he

◼   ► blowing on that to me was the exact

◼   ► moment where I'm like I'm done movie

◼   ► because it's so absurd and if bb-8 can

◼   ► do this well he seems really useful like

◼   ► why don't you have a whole bunch of

◼   ► these bb-8 droids yeah like a flying at

◼   ► a date oh yeah yeah it's like if this is

◼   ► a thing that exists in this universe

◼   ► then it breaks the universe and there's

◼   ► stuff later on which is also like you

◼   ► universe breaking it's a bit like how

◼   ► good the droids are like you said like

◼   ► r2d2 flies or in rogue one the you know

◼   ► the robot in Rogue rogue one is like so

◼   ► good like why don't you just have these

◼   ► guys all the time why do you mess around

◼   ► with humans that just really broke it

◼   ► for me and then you know they escaped

◼   ► and they go see the horses in the

◼   ► stables like the gigantic horse

◼   ► creatures and this is where I'm like I'm