Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Hello Internet Christmas Special)
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you knew it was coming and here it is
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it's becoming a little bit too much of a
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pattern I don't know if I like this
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Brady people are we really expecting it
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this year right once is a fluke twice as
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a pattern and then the third is the one
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that they expect so I'm not sure we can
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keep this up forever for a variety of
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reasons but this year is the third
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annual one what's this one code the last
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very well done Brady yep that's the D
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with the movie number eight of the core
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series yeah of the new trilogy I think
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was it on Twitter or someone someone
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told me that like Disney has rebranded
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the old trilogy as something like Star
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Wars legends that's the phrase that they
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want to use to describe the original
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trilogy which if that is the case I am
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going to 100% reject that idea nope nope
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it's the original trilogy I'm not gonna
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call it Star Wars legends not gonna
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happen I heard someone talking about the
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original film from 1977 and they just
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casually said yeah it's been 40 years
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and I was like oh my god that who is 40
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40 year old film Wow there's something
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strange about how old movies can be I
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know that sounds dumb to say out loud
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but I guess what I mean is how old can a
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movie that is still unacceptably modern
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ish looking movie B and the answer is
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getting pretty close to 50 years at this
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point you can watch a movie that's 50
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years old and feel like yeah that's a
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modern enough movie it doesn't stand out
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as something like from 1930 so yeah
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time passes us all by the Reaper
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approaches every day I tell you a film
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that two really old that has stood the
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mmm The Wizard of Oz no yeah yeah I mean
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it you watch it and it is old but
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there's something about it that's very
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timeless like a lit looks like a really
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off but 1939 that's 200 years old at
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it's remarkable it is quite remarkable
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and I'd still watch that you know I'd
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look at it think I yet charming on film
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but still a good film you have to watch
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out for those monkeys anyway when I
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talked about it it was always a good bit
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off track and you just a spoiler there
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with your monkey line sorry I guess I
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guess I'll put it in the show notes of
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his of mine who spoiler for the bear
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very minor spoiler before we start
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talking about Return of the Jedi engaged
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like total into total spoiler zone I
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have to say I did think of you a lot
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today when I when watched her partly
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because both before and after the field
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I went to five guys and I always think
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of you and I go to five guys because I
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know you love her so much although I I
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went for my traditional bacon cheese dog
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right right and I did enjoy them that's
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not paid for by the way people five guys
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bacon cheese dog oh do it again I can
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never fault a man for his eating habits
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in a movie because it wasn't in the
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movie it was a before and after I also
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got a big bag of sweetie okay like I
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think I slightly misinterpreted what you
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were saying there I guess I can extend
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movie calorie forgiveness to an hour
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yeah I'm like an hour before and an hour
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afterward I think yeah that's a window
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of time when calories don't count naira
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and if you have some kind of horrific
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eating disorder you may eat three or
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four gigantic tubs of popcorn while
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you're sitting there watching movie like
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just just in theory but this is not as
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brought to you by big popcorn well also
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the other reason I thought of you and I
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know you think this is like means
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nothing and it does mean nothing okay I
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saw it in quite an empty cinema and I
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went for the posh site so it's comfy and
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at the end of my row was sitting another
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guy watching her alone who I swear was
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your doppelganger oh yeah I almost took
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a picture of him to show you but it was
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too dark it was crazy how much he looked
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like you huh I've never seen someone who
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I thought oh that guy over there he
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looks like gray but this time it was
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like whoa I feel like almost why I check
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our our times because I watched it today
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in a theatre that was it was just me
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alone in the theater like was there a
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Brady force ghost or astral projection
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sitting next to him in the back row
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watching this movie it's quite possible
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we were having a little forced moment
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together watching the movie maybe that's
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what happened I wasn't a plane out a
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while ago and there was someone sitting
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near me who looked like someone I knew
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and I texted them and said someone who
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looks just like is on my plane
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and they said okay and then I took a
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sneaky picture and sent it to them by a
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message and I looked at the photo and
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my god that does look like me anyway
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there's no picture so no phones in them
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movie theatres Brady only if you're like
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me an iPad on your lap no phones but
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like a mini computer is perfectly fine I
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was using my find to make eggs ah
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naughty Brady you're very naughty well
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it's got to be done yeah so anyway let's
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crack home how are we gonna do this
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review we're we're so bad at this it's
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the same thing why are we talking about
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the Wizard of Oz or my doppelganger it's
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because I never know how to warm up to
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as per usual this is my second viewing
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of the movie so I saw it once yesterday
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and then once this morning to take notes
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and I think once again you have seen it
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for the first time on the day is that
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right that's correct I've just saying a
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just to give people the the like place
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in time where we are I think again
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there's this weird thing that happens
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where on movies people's opinions tend
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to converge very quickly so we're just
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like walking out of the movie I went
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into it pretty spoiler free and I
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haven't heard anybody talk about it with
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the exclusion of my wife who I saw it
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with for the first time and so now now
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I'm gonna talk to you about the movie
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Brady I also was spoiler free I had seen
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the trailers but I can still consider
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myself to be pretty spoiler free and I
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know very little about how it went down
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but I have got a vague idea of what
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reviewers and fans have thought just in
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a very very kind mmm this is what people
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think kind of way but I have not been
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shaped by that in any way interesting I
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know you're still MN on your own so
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Brady the thing I guess we have to do is
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we have to do this the way Brady wants
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it Brady yeah what did you think of Star
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Wars the last Jedi there are two things
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I want to say from the outset okay it's
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like an opening statement here yeah
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there were two overarching things I want
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to say one is very big picture
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overarching like in the context of the
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whole series of Star Wars films and one
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is my broad sweeping overview of this
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particular film my big overall Star Wars
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thing I want to say is like people
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listening have different feelings about
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Star Wars some younger listeners don't
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care at all some of our older listeners
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some people are like us and Mike grew up
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with a and it's a really big part of
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their life and I'm that like to me I
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grew up with a it's really important to
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me it's like a big part of my childhood
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and I don't think I'm the lone ranger
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because Star Wars has become very much
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part of the culture of our planet hasn't
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everyone knows who Darth Vader is and
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knows what the fuck made a force be with
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you so I don't feel stupid
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holding star was in a special place in
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my heart I don't feel like that makes me
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ha right so I love my Star Wars and as
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they make more and more of these films
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and I felt it today watching the new one
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and I know how silly this seance cuz All
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Star was as fiction but I'm beginning to
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feel a bit like oh you're just making
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stuff up now just keep it going it's
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like there's the Canon that was the real
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like what really happened and now it's
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like oh come on you just making stuff up
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to make money now I am with you 100%
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like I understand that feeling entirely
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and related to that I saw in the news
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recently that Amazon announced that
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they're going to be doing TV series
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based on the Lord of the Rings that was
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essentially like I wouldn't have quite
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put it in those words you've articulated
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something in my head that I was thinking
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but that is exactly what I was thinking
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about the TV show is like oh okay so
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you're just gonna make up a bunch of
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stuff as opposed to the room stuff that
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happened in middle-earth right as
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opposed to the actual mythology of
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England you're just gonna make up some
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nonsense for your TV show like that's
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ridiculous so yeah I love that phrase
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because I that has clicked something in
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my head that I was thinking about
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something else and I can completely see
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how you feel about that as the modern
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post Lucas sale of Star Wars as that era
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has come upon us that is like oh they're
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just making up stuff now yeah now on the
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film itself I would say my overall
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feeling is probably more negative than
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positive mm-hmm but my main feeling is
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one of overall meh I was a bit bored by
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it and the thing that was most telling
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to me was afterwards when I walked out I
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just didn't think about it like if you'd
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like a film or you hate a film
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you're thinking a lot about it and you
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can't wait to talk to people about it
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and there's so many things on your mind
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and your minds buzzing and I walked out
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of the cinema and it's like it just fell
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out of my head hmm it's like it made
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very little impression on me and that's
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incredible because ultimate spoiler
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alert who would have thought that five
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minutes after seeing Luke Skywalker die
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I would just forget about it and not
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care but I did and like driving home I
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said come on ready you've got to think
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about this film you got to talk to grey
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you got to have interesting insights and
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opinions and it was a real effort to
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build up a lot of care about it hmm
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and one last criticism and this is my
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criticism of the film besides the fact I
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thought was boring which is a pity
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looking down my point and I know most of
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my points will be negative because
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that's just how these things work you
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know there were good things about the
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film but when I look through my negative
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points one thing that seems to join a
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lot of them together and annoyed me on
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multiple occasions was our galaxy
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leaking into their galaxy oh my god
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yeah yeah there are lots of little
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references and mannerisms or things that
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happen that I felt like hang on a second
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yeah this has been written in our galaxy
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yeah this wasn't written in their galaxy
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I'm gonna back you up on that and that
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on very many levels from big things down
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to very minor things yeah that is
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actually my very first note is related
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to something that happens in the
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beginning of me I feel like is I know
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what this is gonna pay yeah
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it's an hour our universe moment era
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anyway before we get into all the the
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point-by-point hmm odd man winching yeah
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what's big picture from grey what
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context should I be hearing your
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thoughts in yeah so to back up I think
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it's interesting that I went into this
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movie totally spoiler free because I
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didn't spend any real energy this year
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trying to avoid Star Wars boilers I was
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aware in previous movies feeling like I
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was trying to avoid stuff and failing
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maybe because a podcast co-host made me
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watch a trailer or because people just
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wanted to talk about a thing and I would
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I don't know what that does an
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indication of but I just think it is
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interesting that I didn't feel like I
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needed to try to avoid anything and I
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walked into the movie just totally cold
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I hadn't even seen the poster of the
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movie right I don't know if that is just
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our world getting much better with
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spoiler culture which I would hope they
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would give me a spark of hope Brady if
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our culture is getting much better about
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spoilers or if it was just a kind of
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like weird indifference on my part I
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don't know I just think it's no worthy
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okay but so when you say meh I think
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that there is there is something I have
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that as a parallel feeling which I had
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after our last year special which is
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this feeling that there is now going to
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be Star Wars forever mm-hmm and this has
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changed something and also a thing that
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over the course of our podcasts I've
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been mentioning a little bit more and
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more is that like the changing industry
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of how these things aren't produced and
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it's like a background radiation in my
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mind that I kind of can't get rid of the
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like our universe concerns about
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cinematic universes and how our movies
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made and especially how our long mega
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series may like what is the mechanics of
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this I've had conversations with people
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like in the industry looking at the
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horrible sausage behind all of it and I
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do feel like that has polluted my mind a
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little bit that is the background as for
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this movie this movie to me was
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Spaceballs the movie I feel like I had a
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little bit of a rollercoaster with this
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movie where I felt like things were
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tonally off for a while like I couldn't
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quite get into it for a bunch of reasons
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we'll get into and then at some point it
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just kind of clicked in my head that
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this feels like the people who made
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Spaceballs wanted to make a really
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serious Star Wars movie and they mostly
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did it but there's like a Spaceballs
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enos leaking through and when that
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clicked in my head I actually enjoyed
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the movie more like my expectations went
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from nothing to really low and then I
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felt like oh I can kind of enjoy this
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but then I have the same kind of
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problems as you like I found it sort of
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boring this is sort of unintentionally
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funny through my eyes I enjoyed watching
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it more than rogue one which I really
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didn't like but I don't think it's a
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very good movie and I think that this
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has now reached the point where it
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doesn't feel like Star Wars anymore and
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a lot of my notes are trying to figure
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out like what has occurred so that's my
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overall feeling of the movie ok can have
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a lot of upset people out there
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yeah ok so now you're making me nervous
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do you think that the fan consensus is
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that people liked it this is what I've
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heard oh no Brian I've seen is that
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critics quite liked the film ok but a
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lot of Star Wars fans have a mmmm that
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actually could work with some of what
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you just said but that could work for us
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I really am still getting messages and
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feedback from people who want to
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violently disagree with me about rip 1
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let's talk about rogue one at the end
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because I'm one of them and this film
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has changed me even more about rogue a
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but that's my final point I'd like to
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discuss carry and so let's do with the
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film at hand and can I start at the very
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beginning it please go right ahead
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because the last few Star Wars films
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that I've seen particularly force
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awakens that moment when you have the
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Silence of Lucasfilm and then there's a
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yeah this and the Star Wars comes up in
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the fan fairy like I got tingles when
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that happened previous times like it's I
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think probably even happened when the
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prequels came out it was like yeah Star
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Wars his back and it caused a real
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excitement this time and I don't know
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maybe it was my mood I don't know this
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time for the first time I found a bit
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cringy hmm I was like waiting for it to
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happen and then when it finally happened
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bang like I was sort of waiting for the
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big loud nor is I don't know if camp is
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the word but it felt like like a parody
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of itself it's like I bet they had a big
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loud noise at the start of Spaceballs
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right yeah it felt like a bit of a joke
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of itself this time this was at a point
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where I was completely neutral about how
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good or bad the film was gonna be mm-hmm
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but I didn't get that feeling this time
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this time I felt a bit embarrassed by
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mhm and I don't know if it's because
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it's being overused and it's now it's
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explain it but that's the feeling I had
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I was like wow through the literal first
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note I kind of winced I don't know what
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it was I'm sorry this is what happened
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the first day I'm still worked on me
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and then we had the traditional pan down
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and for the first time in a while they
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didn't try to be overly creative with it
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they just went pretty standard which was
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there's a nice change up so the thing
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that you might expect is my first note
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Spaceballs the phone call where we see
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our first order ships in the sky they're
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chasing the resistance you know like the
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classic Star Wars set up there's a chase
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between this the ships and then a single
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fighter appears with PO right that's the
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guy's name and he's like stalling for
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time and he calls the lead ship he's
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calling general Hux and yeah it's like
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okay your movie is opening dramatic
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scene and they start off with a joke
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which is essentially a joke about like
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facetiming with your mom a little bit
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yeah mobile phone reception not quite
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working yeah it's like oh he's calling
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for general Hux and like Poe is messing
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with him right he's pretending that he
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can't hear the guy to like wind him up
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and it's like okay I can kind of go
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along with that like a version of this
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that I think worked was in the the first
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movie in his first appearance he makes
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fun of kylos helmet right like you're
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talking yeah he's like I can't hear you
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with that hump like and he makes a joke
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of it that's like okay but this is
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totally in character but the thing that
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bothered me was not so much the joke
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it's the script language right he says
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I'm holding for general Hux and he says
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okay I'll like I'll hold I'm still on
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hold and maybe it's just a minor thing
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but that just really cook lokes wrong in
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my brain with the language like it's the
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laker yeah it's the laking that's gonna
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come up again and again it's the leaking
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of our galaxy into their galaxy that
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might sound like a minor thing but I
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really do think it matters hmm it's like
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how do you maintain a suspension of
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disbelief suspension of disbelief breaks
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you see the reality of the thing too
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clearly and this is one of those moments
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like using this language to say like I
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am on hold I know can you hear me can
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you hear me and okay I know exactly what
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we're doing we're doing the thing that
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I've done a million times like talking
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on cell phones or whatever then they
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sort of go back into it but he makes a
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joke about like oh I have an urgent
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message for general Hux mother yeah okay
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your momager that's what is like is that
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okay okay I mean maybe I could have let
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that slide but like that combined with
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the hold it almost feels like it's tempt
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I log that they just left in and there's
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another theme which i think is going to
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come up from me again and again is aside
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from the real world leaking into the
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I think somebody had a directive in this
◼
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movie to not let any serious scene hold
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so over and over in this movie they have
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serious scene and they like end it with
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a joke or they have to have a joke that
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like breaks the tension too soon is like
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over and over and over again that's a
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thing that happens and I feel like this
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was again like right off the bat I felt
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a little bit off-kilter that was a
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►
little bit in disbelief at the the
◼
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opening mood setting joke of the movie
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and so it continues on from here it's
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►
soso seems to me very much like people
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►
have said one of the things that worked
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so well in the force awakens was the use
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of humor right and it was there were so
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many funny moments in the force awakens
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that were just done perfectly they just
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got it right and it feels like they were
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over encouraged by that and someone said
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oh okay this is how this works now I
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have to be funny and it's a bit like you
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know how when a little kid does
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something funny and everyone says are
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you're really funny little kid and then
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the kids are starts doing it too much
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and it's not really funny anymore but
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they get encouraged cuz the adults think
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they're good and funny are you've given
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them positive feedback and now they
◼
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start like humor babbling in every
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►
direction waiting to see what they hit
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►
on yeah that's what's happened here it's
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like they've got to encouraged by all
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the positive feedback about the humor in
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the force awakens and now they're going
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oh let's do it let's and it's like no no
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no no no you got to dial that back you
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know yeah and it's also in the case of
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as opposed to humor coming from a
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situation and it is like okay I can see
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someone like put the joke in here and
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►
then yeah okay alright well let's get
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into this space battle then shall we
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►
another comment I've got early on and
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it's another thing that happens early in
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the film and another criticism of the
◼
►
film it sort of goes away eventually but
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it is it happens too much that is the
◼
►
film is too slapstick mm-hmm like Finn
◼
►
falling out of his bed and his water
◼
►
suit leaking everywhere very weird like
◼
►
there are quite a few moments that felt
◼
►
too slapstick and like the film was not
◼
►
taking itself seriously and I'm like the
◼
►
time that happens this is a serious
◼
►
battle and thousands of lives seem to be
◼
►
at stake and we're having like Joe key
◼
►
moments walking around with water
◼
►
leaking out that's supposed to be this
◼
►
is like yeah Three Stooges this is
◼
►
classic I don't know I felt like the
◼
►
film was not serious enough a lot of the
◼
►
time there's a couple of space battle so
◼
►
I can't quite place which one this
◼
►
happens and but I think a good example
◼
►
of that like okay so so Finn wakes up
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►
and he's in a comical water leaking out
◼
►
bag that makes no sense at all to think
◼
►
about it for two seconds there's also a
◼
►
scene in the movie where Poe is running
◼
►
to his x-wing because he wants to go
◼
►
save the day and the whole hangar filled
◼
►
with several dozens of people explodes
◼
►
like and he's knocked out of the hangar
◼
►
and it's a bad moment but they
◼
►
immediately follow it up with like a
◼
►
physical gag about bb-8 reattaching his
◼
►
head like how does bb-8 head
◼
►
magnetically reattached and that's again
◼
►
the kind of thing where i just feel like
◼
►
you're undercutting these moments and i
◼
►
it happened so much I think it's on
◼
►
purpose and is like don't focus too much
◼
►
on everybody who just lost their lives
◼
►
we want to immediately plant the
◼
►
question of how does bb-8 reattach his
◼
►
head and the answer is in a slightly
◼
►
humorous manner that's how he does so
◼
►
like just forget about that entire cargo
◼
►
bay filled with rebels that just got
◼
►
blown up sort of reasonably early in the
◼
►
film we go to luke skywalker island and
◼
►
this was another place which i had a few
◼
►
good notes about i don't know how long
◼
►
we're gonna talk about this blue milk
◼
►
teat saying oh god it's really gross
◼
►
we're just not gonna talk about that
◼
►
because that was just dumb
◼
►
unnecessary it's an example of the movie
◼
►
feeling like it needs to do a thing this
◼
►
is also now like okay so we are
◼
►
depending on how you want to count it
◼
►
right we're either five or eight movies
◼
►
in and the movie feeling like it needs
◼
►
to have the beats every time and it
◼
►
starts getting weird or like you just
◼
►
don't want those beats anymore as like
◼
►
okay we're gonna have to have blue milk
◼
►
oh we're going to have to have poor
◼
►
Porkins dies every time immediately in
◼
►
his ex Wang like every movie he's there
◼
►
just eternally dying and this one with
◼
►
the blue milk was just so weird it's a
◼
►
moment where again what I was wondering
◼
►
is like has anybody in the Star Wars
◼
►
universe ever called it milk or is that
◼
►
just what the fans referred to it as and
◼
►
then the studio executives are going
◼
►
Opie blue milk let's keep going with
◼
►
this and now let's really show that it's
◼
►
actually milk from this disgusting semi
◼
►
humanoid creature it was really
◼
►
unnecessary you know at least I was a
◼
►
special guy I shouldn't have to say him
◼
►
milking the teat of some weird monster
◼
►
and then have blue milk all coming dead
◼
►
it gives ray a look like he's doing it
◼
►
on purpose to be gross which makes the
◼
►
whole scene even weirder yeah it's okay
◼
►
I mean just imagine Brady when you were
◼
►
a little boy in watching Star Wars and
◼
►
they said don't worry someday forty
◼
►
years in the future there will be new
◼
►
Star Wars movies and you'll get to see
◼
►
the further adventures of Luke what will
◼
►
he be doing he'll be milking a sort of
◼
►
cow creature and getting milk all down
◼
►
his beard that's what he'll be doing
◼
►
there was also a moment early on on Luke
◼
►
Skywalker Island where we see another
◼
►
moment of our galaxy leaking into their
◼
►
galaxy in a really matter way that made
◼
►
me even more uncomfortable than the
◼
►
other ways and that was when Luke
◼
►
Skywalker dismissively referred to laser
◼
►
sword yeah yeah instead of a lightsaber
◼
►
that's like a way that Star Wars fans
◼
►
would de ride muggles because they don't
◼
►
know what a lightsaber is and they just
◼
►
say laser Sun and Luke Skywalker was
◼
►
using that terminology to to ride people
◼
►
for not understanding Jedi's it's just
◼
►
too meta for me it was like it just
◼
►
really took me out of everything
◼
►
hang on this is weird Luke Skywalker
◼
►
shouldn't say laser sword I don't know
◼
►
if I'm right about that but I feel like
◼
►
there's a Lucas ISM fair that like
◼
►
George Lucas would call them laser
◼
►
swords as a joke and then this becomes
◼
►
the thing but there are so many times in
◼
►
the movie where I found myself running
◼
►
this metacognition loop of like has
◼
►
anyone in Star Wars ever said the word
◼
►
laser and it's like yeah no okay they
◼
►
have said the word laser so it's not
◼
►
unreasonable that he would use the word
◼
►
laser sort in a jokey way I was like why
◼
►
am i running this loop in my head at all
◼
►
trying to like cast back yeah and it's
◼
►
because I'm constantly presented with
◼
►
things that feel unstart Z and I'm
◼
►
trying to like back fit against the
◼
►
original holy trilogy this is what's
◼
►
occurring and I think that the movie
◼
►
even in a meta way is again in this
◼
►
distracting way talking directly to the
◼
►
audience where they have this recurring
◼
►
theme of like let old things die right
◼
►
like let Luke Skywalker die like let the
◼
►
Empire die like I feel like you're
◼
►
talking directly to me director in a way
◼
►
that is also uncomfortable just
◼
►
constantly running this meta loop of
◼
►
like what is this movie doing I was very
◼
►
aware of that as a theme in the movie
◼
►
like let the old things go it maybe what
◼
►
I have a feeling like there was some
◼
►
kind of director disagreement between
◼
►
this movie and the force awakens but we
◼
►
can get to that at a later point Iran
◼
►
this time by the way there is one saying
◼
►
that was almost a nice saying and then
◼
►
that got ruined by something that just
◼
►
didn't sit right with me and that's when
◼
►
Luke goes into the cockpit of the
◼
►
Millennium Falcon and like switches on
◼
►
the lights yeah but for a moment this is
◼
►
great moment where you see this classic
◼
►
old cockpit and there's Luke now you
◼
►
know ravaged by time and for a few
◼
►
seconds it was really poignant and I
◼
►
thought now that's working for me yeah
◼
►
and then they went and did this dice on
◼
►
the dashboard thing which becomes this
◼
►
important han Solo memento which I've
◼
►
researched a bit since but really
◼
►
they're trying to manufacture a hand so
◼
►
they are object here that is really
◼
►
scraping the bottom of the barrel and it
◼
►
never worked with me through the film it
◼
►
was supposed to be this special item
◼
►
that touched us at multiple points
◼
►
through the film but it didn't land with
◼
►
me yeah well Luke Skywalker island is a
◼
►
weird place especially on the second
◼
►
rewatch because I was aware of being
◼
►
confused of the timeline a little bit in
◼
►
the first one like how
◼
►
long does Ray spend on Luke Skywalker
◼
►
Highland how long is she there getting
◼
►
training I don't think she was very
◼
►
trained I think it was more of a tent or
◼
►
yeah like I'll put training in quotes
◼
►
right but I was looking at it and it's
◼
►
like okay at a bare minimum she's there
◼
►
if the day/night cycle is to be believed
◼
►
on this planet but the way the movie is
◼
►
cut like what's happening on Luke
◼
►
Skywalker Island is cut with the main
◼
►
storyline in a way that they can't be
◼
►
happening at the same time you're seeing
◼
►
Luke Skywalker Island in a compressed
◼
►
format while the main plot is is going
◼
►
on I mentioned she was there for a few
◼
►
weeks for some reason but who knows how
◼
►
long she was there but she's trying like
◼
►
what is the minimum because the first
◼
►
time I was watching it I had it a little
◼
►
bit messed up in my head and I was
◼
►
there's this space chase going on and
◼
►
she she's just arrived but the space
◼
►
chase maybe lasted like 18 hours so like
◼
►
what was she there for three hours how
◼
►
Luke Skywalker Island like you know got
◼
►
an inspiring talk and then headed back
◼
►
she was clearly there for a little while
◼
►
hmm I don't know how did you feel about
◼
►
seeing Luke again I felt similar to how
◼
►
I felt about layer in the force awakens
◼
►
like it's almost the toll that Age has
◼
►
taken on the actors is so great and
◼
►
shocking mm-hmm that it's very hard to
◼
►
slip back into the film hmm you're
◼
►
thinking Carrie Fisher Mark Hamill
◼
►
no it's been 40 years and I'm thinking
◼
►
how old is Mark Hamill now he must have
◼
►
been about a tonne when you vote doing
◼
►
that math in your head yeah instead of
◼
►
like being lost in the film and the
◼
►
magic of Luke Skywalker I'm thinking you
◼
►
know gosh you know he looks like a hobo
◼
►
and more like he seems like a fun guy
◼
►
online and you know he's pitiful legend
◼
►
of course he's a legend of my childhood
◼
►
maybe you know some things are best left
◼
►
as golden memories haven't tarnished I
◼
►
was very distracted by his appearance
◼
►
throughout the lil I found it very
◼
►
distracting what about you I think I
◼
►
just had a little bit of a hard time
◼
►
mentor I think you have to do a lot of
◼
►
like mental backfilling in of what has
◼
►
occurred over this period of time mm-hmm
◼
►
but there is something in my mind which
◼
►
is disjointed where it's like oh the
◼
►
last time I saw Luke he was still kind
◼
►
of like a you know a kid with some
◼
►
tousled hair and he was also like
◼
►
everyone talks about how he's the great
◼
►
master but even like at the end of
◼
►
Return of the Jedi when he like saved
◼
►
the galaxy on the Death Star and all
◼
►
that he still kind of flipped it and he
◼
►
was a bit young it's a major plot point
◼
►
in those movies that he is ridiculously
◼
►
underprepared for what he's doing right
◼
►
they pulled it out by the skin of their
◼
►
teeth and he's not some amazing Jedi
◼
►
Master at the end of that movie no he's
◼
►
not like Yoda and stuff like he's not
◼
►
top level he's just like a he just got
◼
►
lucky in the Super Bowl
◼
►
got a fluky touchdown at the end yeah
◼
►
and the entirety of that great victory
◼
►
was undone in the preceding times we can
◼
►
have another sequence of movies but yeah
◼
►
there was something about him in the
◼
►
like oh you're going to be obi-wan
◼
►
Kenobi role then I felt like I don't
◼
►
know I just I had a little bit of a hard
◼
►
time buying him as the mentor I know he
◼
►
ran this temple and everything went
◼
►
wrong with kylo Ren but we've seen so
◼
►
little of that that it's it's just like
◼
►
oh you're just telling me stories about
◼
►
one hurt although I do have to say that
◼
►
as a small detail I did like that they
◼
►
flashback to the event like the pivotal
◼
►
night when kylo Ren and Luke Skywalker
◼
►
have a fight in the whole temple burns
◼
►
down I did like what you know because of
◼
►
my obsession with you can't trust your
◼
►
memories I liked how they showed that
◼
►
scene three different ways depending on
◼
►
the person who was telling the story
◼
►
yeah like when kylo Ren remembers the
◼
►
moment like Luke's eyes ever are filled
◼
►
with rage I can use and he's coming down
◼
►
like I thought that was quite nice
◼
►
because that just illustrates a thing
◼
►
that happens in real life like people
◼
►
remember things differently and it like
◼
►
you keep remembering and it gets built
◼
►
up in different ways and it did make me
◼
►
somewhat not trust Luke's retelling of
◼
►
the version of what happened it's just
◼
►
like there was a thing that happened a
◼
►
long time ago and like who knows now
◼
►
what the real events were so while we're
◼
►
still on Luke Skywalker Island what are
◼
►
your thoughts about the helpers he has
◼
►
that do all like the construction work
◼
►
and also the cute little Audrey's that
◼
►
run all around the island okay so the
◼
►
frog nuns who live on that island mhm
◼
►
that to me was laughable
◼
►
that was really I think when like the
◼
►
Spaceballs was entering my brain is it's
◼
►
just like this is weird
◼
►
and the way they cut to them like they
◼
►
just pop out of nowhere it seems like Oh
◼
►
suddenly there's a bunch of helper frog
◼
►
nuns on this island there's terrible
◼
►
there should have been no one because
◼
►
the first time I saw those stone huts I
◼
►
was just imagining Luke building them
◼
►
over 20 or 30 years and yeah this could
◼
►
have existence that he'd been having and
◼
►
I quite liked that I quite liked the
◼
►
thought that he's just there alone
◼
►
tending to these huts and fighting the
◼
►
elements and all of a sudden we've got
◼
►
all these like assistants and helpers
◼
►
yeah he has a bunch of maids like doing
◼
►
the laundry or whatever they're up to it
◼
►
was very weird because yeah it's a much
◼
►
better thing if he's there on his own
◼
►
like losing his mind a little bit or
◼
►
becoming really detached yeah it's gone
◼
►
from having banished himself to a rocky
◼
►
island sort of for the sake of the
◼
►
galaxy to him going to a resort in go
◼
►
away or he's on a Greek isle somewhere
◼
►
in a convent and as I was the most
◼
►
unfindable place in the universe but
◼
►
there's a bunch of nuns here you know
◼
►
and like they must have some kind of
◼
►
interaction with the outside like it was
◼
►
very weird and I hated them I thought
◼
►
they looked comical they just look
◼
►
stupid they looked prequel yeah I don't
◼
►
know if I would say that cuz I bet
◼
►
though those are physical costumes yeah
◼
►
yeah but they looked like space balls to
◼
►
me right like if space balls had to make
◼
►
up what you're gonna have in a convent
◼
►
this is what you would do and they are
◼
►
another example of a scene that I
◼
►
thought was like oh here's a scene that
◼
►
is actually pulling at me a little bit
◼
►
which is Luke Skywalker is not training
◼
►
Rey she decides that she's essentially
◼
►
going to be training herself so in the
◼
►
morning while she's practicing her
◼
►
fighting with her staff she takes out
◼
►
the lightsaber and she starts fake
◼
►
attacking this rock outcropping and they
◼
►
used the Rey theme which I really like I
◼
►
feel like this is the best music out of
◼
►
the new movies and Luke is coming up
◼
►
behind her and he sees that she like she
◼
►
is going to train herself with or
◼
►
without his help you know when the music
◼
►
is swelling and it's and it's all great
◼
►
and then once again like what happens
◼
►
here she accidentally cuts the stone
◼
►
statue in front of her so the stone
◼
►
rolls down the hill and knocks over a
◼
►
cart full of laundry from one of these
◼
►
nuns and then the two nuns look up
◼
►
her like him there really annoyed and
◼
►
it's like why did you put in a physical
◼
►
slapstick joke at what is maybe one of
◼
►
the more dramatic pivotal scenes that
◼
►
what the ice is here there's another
◼
►
great example of that gray about five
◼
►
minutes before that happens which again
◼
►
shows this film's inability to have the
◼
►
comic timing that the previous one had
◼
►
and that is that important moment when
◼
►
Ray hands the lightsaber to Luke how
◼
►
much was the end of the previous film
◼
►
and we all were dying to know what the
◼
►
first thing Luke's said or did would be
◼
►
and he does that you know comic throw it
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over my shoulder which I think they
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thought would have people like rolling
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in the aisles laughing and maybe it
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could have worked if the timing was done
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better but just the way it was cut and
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done was dreadful so I kind of blinked
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the first time that that happened the
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first on my first viewing and the first
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time I saw there were a bunch of people
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in the theater and everybody was like
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uproariously laughing like guffawing and
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Mara and I sort of missed it but I
◼
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remember thinking in my head like oh
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what a bunch of cretin 'he's like in
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this theater like defying at this thing
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but then when i was able to watch it
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closely the second time like no that was
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clearly shot to be a joke yeah like they
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said to him toss it over your shoulder
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in a funny way it was clearly supposed
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to be funny yeah like it was supposed to
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be a visual gag but it just like that
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was not a time for joking this is such a
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moment being reunited with this light
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say but ray this character that as
◼
►
viewers we all completely love meeting
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Luke Skywalker for the first time but
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this was such a big man's like I've seen
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Luke Skywalker throw away a lights or a
◼
►
light sword great now it's infecting my
◼
►
brain right obviously Luke Skywalker
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throw away a lightsaber in a pretty
◼
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dramatic moment previous leaks like Mark
◼
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Hamill can do that in an emotional way
◼
►
but this was played as a laugh and yeah
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I don't know I have to look it up I
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don't know I'm presuming that JJ Abrams
◼
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didn't direct this one that didn't feel
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okay but there were a bunch of things
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►
that felt to me in this movie like I
◼
►
think that there are directors or script
◼
►
writers having a disagreement with stuff
◼
►
that was set up in the force awakens and
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►
what is going to happen in this movie
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►
yeah and that lightsaber over the
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shoulder is like okay that to me feels
◼
►
rector is screwing with another director
◼
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like oh we're gonna take your dramatic
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►
moment and the hell with it there's a
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whole bunch of stuff with like the evil
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emperor guy we'll get to it's like that
◼
►
feels like they just decided to discard
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►
what was happening before there's stuff
◼
►
with Rey's parents where it's like I
◼
►
think we're gonna change all of that
◼
►
there were a whole bunch of things that
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►
just felt like like I can feel the
◼
►
studio disagreement in the background
◼
►
about what's going to occur mmm and that
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►
lightsaber throat was was totally one of
◼
►
those things now other thing on Luke
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►
Skywalker island is okay all of the
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►
little puffin creatures who are around
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►
the Audry's there Audrey stuff they're
◼
►
not aw dude they're like little puffin
◼
►
creatures yeah they look nothing like
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►
Audrey battery doesn't thought she does
◼
►
not look like those little things yeah
◼
►
they were super cute I sort of didn't
◼
►
mind then like you good look you need to
◼
►
have something that's a CGI creature
◼
►
that you can sell a thousand merchandise
◼
►
copies up you gotta sell a few fluffy
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►
toys Diane yeah you need in a walk yeah
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►
and that's fine like I have no problem
◼
►
with that I understand this is how this
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works and I thought they were pretty
◼
►
well done like they're believable cute
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►
little creatures that's fine yeah we're
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►
it felt like the world is leaking in is
◼
►
the scene where Chewie is going to eat
◼
►
one of them I can he's cooked it up to
◼
►
be a perfect little chicken and yeah it
◼
►
is a cute scene that the little puffin
◼
►
creatures are all horrified that Chuy's
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►
about to eat one of their own yeah and
◼
►
they're looking at him with these big
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►
sad eyes it's like that sort of works
◼
►
for me except that like later in the
◼
►
movie they make another point with
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►
animals and it it just starts to feel
◼
►
like I don't know it's just it feels
◼
►
like something from the outside world is
◼
►
leaking in here and I'm thinking like
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►
what's chewy supposed to eat like
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►
presumably he didn't hunt down one of
◼
►
those little creatures just for fun like
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►
I think he hunted it down because he was
◼
►
hungry like what is he supposed to do
◼
►
yeah it just rubbed me a little the
◼
►
wrong way it's like it's a joke oh sorry
◼
►
the thing they're great is like the
◼
►
he's killed and conscience they're
◼
►
deciding not to eat it like I think it's
◼
►
tight like yeah I can't imagine them all
◼
►
there looking thinking I'll go on like
◼
►
give our friend a break like it's too
◼
►
late for your friend yeah he's already
◼
►
gone and actually where there were two
◼
►
of them cuz there was another one it was
◼
►
on the fire stuff or there was something
◼
►
in this moment where it's like maybe
◼
►
because of other thing
◼
►
in the movie I felt like my sensitivity
◼
►
was was turned up a little high but it
◼
►
felt like one of the script writers was
◼
►
trying to like get it on record like oh
◼
►
it's canon now that Chuy's a vegetarian
◼
►
uh yeah you can't have chewy a
◼
►
vegetarian his weakness for meat is a
◼
►
great part of eternal yeah of course you
◼
►
can't it's ridiculous and again I may be
◼
►
reading that too far but it's just like
◼
►
combined with other things I don't think
◼
►
I am I feel like there was a joke there
◼
►
about like Oh Chu he's not gonna eat
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►
meat anymore I'm the subject of
◼
►
Chewbacca just quickly cuz that's my
◼
►
next note on my list I thought he was
◼
►
strangely underused and unengaged in
◼
►
this whole film but he could have just
◼
►
not been in the film for all I care you
◼
►
know when when he shows up and Luke goes
◼
►
Chewie right that was my exact thought
◼
►
of like hey I totally forgot he were
◼
►
here what are you doing here buddy he
◼
►
never really is needed like later on
◼
►
they give him the Millennium Falcon to
◼
►
fly a little bit but yeah I think this
◼
►
is a recurring problem with a bunch of
◼
►
characters is like they have a bunch of
◼
►
people who if you think about it don't
◼
►
really do anything and Chewie is
◼
►
definitely one of those characters like
◼
►
he's just there because you need Chewie
◼
►
to be there in the movie but it doesn't
◼
►
feel like he's participating in any way
◼
►
Chewie felt like he did just about as
◼
►
much as c-3po does like CT Brio is there
◼
►
but he's not really contributing in any
◼
►
meaningful way so other things happen on
◼
►
Luke Skywalker Island throughout the
◼
►
film so let's deal with some more of
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►
them mmm we've got these Jedi texts in a
◼
►
tree yeah which seems unnecessary new
◼
►
items although there's some allusion
◼
►
later in the film maybe that they're
◼
►
gonna play a role later I don't know but
◼
►
we also have this kind of unexpected and
◼
►
unnecessary appearance of Yoda I mean
◼
►
either they're like the weird Tree of
◼
►
Life that has the books in it okay fine
◼
►
Luke deciding he's going to be the last
◼
►
Jedi I think his reasoning seems
◼
►
confused about that but like okay
◼
►
whatever he's been living alone on this
◼
►
island oh wait no he hasn't he's been
◼
►
tended to by the monks but whatever like
◼
►
but Yoda showing up for the first little
◼
►
bit I kind of loved it because it was
◼
►
the old Yoda it was a good-looking yard
◼
►
that's one of my positives I said by
◼
►
this film they got a good Yoda Yoda
◼
►
love that he burns down the temple and
◼
►
when they cut back to Yoda his little
◼
►
feet are pumping up and down like he is
◼
►
just like this is the funniest thing in
◼
►
the world like he has burned down this
◼
►
thousand generation old Jedi Temple and
◼
►
totally for the lulz right like that is
◼
►
a little thing that I genuinely loved is
◼
►
just that segments of the appearance of
◼
►
Yoda like a he did nothing else that
◼
►
would have been perfect
◼
►
I don't agree well I didn't notice the
◼
►
little dance that you're referring to
◼
►
when the movie comes out on blu-ray like
◼
►
someone's got to make a gift of that for
◼
►
me he's like peeing his pants with joy
◼
►
about burning this down just to get
◼
►
Luke's goat I don't like that he did
◼
►
that though I didn't like that part of
◼
►
the film that's when I ceased enjoying
◼
►
Yoda's appearance one I don't believe
◼
►
that force ghosts should be able to
◼
►
intervene in the natural world like that
◼
►
yeah that is one thing which is a little
◼
►
bit like new mechanisms in the movie
◼
►
okay force ghosts can interact with the
◼
►
real world as interesting and new and
◼
►
certainly would be useful at certain
◼
►
circumstances but okay and I also I just
◼
►
don't like that he did it I don't like
◼
►
that he baby burn that tree down and
◼
►
even though I don't care about the tree
◼
►
or the text like it doesn't seem like
◼
►
something he should do to teach Luke a
◼
►
lesson like I don't know it just seemed
◼
►
out of character I don't mind a bit of
◼
►
whimsy in my Yoda don't get me wrong but
◼
►
the actual thing he did saying oh no I
◼
►
am gonna destroy that tree and burn the
◼
►
text just so that Luke can have a
◼
►
learning moment that ruined that Yoda
◼
►
Center then I was like oh okay
◼
►
that was weird what I was largely
◼
►
worried about is what are those porn
◼
►
nuns gonna think about this
◼
►
yeah like when there was time in a
◼
►
thousand generations like presumably it
◼
►
was those frog nuns who've been
◼
►
maintaining it for a thousand
◼
►
generations and like what do they think
◼
►
about those like ah welp screw them once
◼
►
again who cares what they think about
◼
►
this like we're just gonna burn down
◼
►
their temple like okay we're frogs and I
◼
►
did have a nice little objectivity
◼
►
moment they would Luke was showing the
◼
►
text so ray and he was wearing gloves
◼
►
and stuff I was like think of my little
◼
►
moviemaking adventures then was very
◼
►
objectivity I wouldn't have thought
◼
►
about that but yes with the gloves even
◼
►
so the yoader saying I liked their what
◼
►
you had to look like but it also just
◼
►
didn't add anything to the film and like
◼
►
a dist seemed like yeah also one thing
◼
►
Yoda said I didn't like this is another
◼
►
leak he called them page turners yeah I
◼
►
caught that serially I actually kind of
◼
►
like the joke that Luke hasn't read the
◼
►
books yeah it's just in character Luke
◼
►
wouldn't read those books no you're
◼
►
right that was alright the fact he
◼
►
hadn't read them was alright but then
◼
►
when Yoda said page tennis he may as
◼
►
well have said well they're not exactly
◼
►
The Da Vinci Code are they ok it's not a
◼
►
New York Times bestseller is it the
◼
►
thing that I kept thinking of with that
◼
►
is there's um I don't mean to bring up
◼
►
Laurence camp but there's there is a
◼
►
kind of famous example in The Hobbit
◼
►
where like someone the things I love
◼
►
about those books is the languages so it
◼
►
feels right when he makes like this kind
◼
►
of continuity error by accident there's
◼
►
a train that got into the Hobbit because
◼
►
he describes the dragon at one point in
◼
►
terms of like a train rushing by I was
◼
►
like but nowhere else in the book is
◼
►
there like this modern description of
◼
►
stuff ok and Yoda saying page turner is
◼
►
totally one of those things so now I'm
◼
►
gonna say something here and I'm aware
◼
►
I'm aware that what I'm doing is setting
◼
►
up a little bit of a Kafka trap like
◼
►
we've discussed before where I've said
◼
►
like no people who think a thing will
◼
►
think this thing I just wanna get on
◼
►
record I know that I'm doing this but
◼
►
there is a thing in is Yoda scene that
◼
►
fundamentally really bothered me
◼
►
it's Yoda talking about how failure is
◼
►
the best teacher right and like failure
◼
►
is super important hmm and I think this
◼
►
is there as a kind of pseudo
◼
►
intellectual skirt that the movie is
◼
►
wearing for a certain kind of fan
◼
►
because in this movie which you know if
◼
►
you're following the traditional
◼
►
structure of like it was a middle movie
◼
►
everything is the worst in this movie
◼
►
almost everything fails and Luke is
◼
►
talking about how the Jedi have been a
◼
►
failure like and he's not wrong and the
◼
►
plans that we're going to talk about
◼
►
later like they all fail like everything
◼
►
in this movie and I think that Yoda has
◼
►
this little speech because it's again
◼
►
like nudging a certain kind of
◼
►
fan to say like oh but look that's the
◼
►
theme of the movies failure rightly this
◼
►
stuff doesn't make for unappealing
◼
►
watching just for no reason
◼
►
the whole point of it is that its
◼
►
failure like it's a theme do you see
◼
►
it's a theme for a movie it was just
◼
►
rubbing me the wrong way because there's
◼
►
a lot of complaints I have about this
◼
►
movie in the way it was structured that
◼
►
I feel like this is acting as a way that
◼
►
a certain kind of fan can go like oh you
◼
►
don't get it that's the point of the
◼
►
movie the point of the movie is that
◼
►
they failed at these critical junctures
◼
►
so it felt like Yoda was putting this
◼
►
there for a certain kind of person to
◼
►
use as a defense of the movie yeah I
◼
►
didn't look at it that deeply I just
◼
►
looked at it as like a corporate cliche
◼
►
but yeah I freedom to fail and that's
◼
►
what that was a boy's a big thing at the
◼
►
BBC when we're being trained to make
◼
►
films creatively you know must have the
◼
►
freedom to fail right and by the freedom
◼
►
to fail we mean we actually want you to
◼
►
do really well it also struck me as a
◼
►
little bit of a real-world ism leaking
◼
►
out because it's it's the same thing in
◼
►
schools or it's like a you know it's a
◼
►
real mind virus in Silicon Valley like
◼
►
oh you got to fail fast failing is just
◼
►
the best and it's like okay you know is
◼
►
better than failing is succeeding all
◼
►
right succeeding is better than failing
◼
►
yeah but you know whatever
◼
►
let's leave Luke Skywalker island plays
◼
►
thank God right we're gonna fly away
◼
►
like Rey after getting a 20 minute
◼
►
lesson on what the force is that's also
◼
►
a joke and it's pointless there's like a
◼
►
bunch of pointless stuff that happens
◼
►
but we're gonna skip it yeah I want to
◼
►
talk about what is now the main plot of
◼
►
this movie from which everything else is
◼
►
orbiting mmm all right the main
◼
►
structure of this movie is the
◼
►
resistance is in their Corvette and
◼
►
they're several smaller ships and they
◼
►
are being chased by the first order yeah
◼
►
and we have our opening battle which has
◼
►
I like the bombers like there's a bunch
◼
►
of interesting stuff in there those
◼
►
bombers that gray house slaw with a and
◼
►
a galaxy where everything moves so quick
◼
►
guys things are lumbering like tractors
◼
►
through space they were really slow but
◼
►
I didn't mind them I thought they were
◼
►
leaning really hard into like the naval
◼
►
warfare thing even turning up the dial
◼
►
with the language like oh we have a
◼
►
dreadnought like they were really going
◼
►
is there any ship or object in the Star
◼
►
Wars universe that doesn't have one
◼
►
glaring weakness that is usually a big
◼
►
hole that you have to drop something
◼
►
until you blow it up I really need to
◼
►
get working on that yeah they do but
◼
►
like if I'm gonna guess what fans would
◼
►
be annoyed at is those bombers and they
◼
►
were the slowest things in the world but
◼
►
I didn't mind it I like the visuals of
◼
►
it I like that they were I liked the
◼
►
bombs yeah all the bombs falling down
◼
►
looked cool but was making them follow
◼
►
though if there's no gravity anyway I
◼
►
assume they were being pushed out it was
◼
►
a colloquialism that they're saying like
◼
►
I didn't take that as a literal the
◼
►
bombs are dropping because of gravity
◼
►
they did seem to fold are they there was
◼
►
a sort of folding 'no stu them as our
◼
►
folding into a hole but anyway yeah but
◼
►
I looked go with your people will let us
◼
►
know that I'm sure there's some Star
◼
►
Wars Wikipedia article on exactly the
◼
►
mechanism that those bombs use but the
◼
►
resistance is trying to escape and they
◼
►
want to use the usual Star Wars trick
◼
►
which is we're gonna Lightspeed out of
◼
►
here and they won't be able to follow us
◼
►
once we jump to Lightspeed because they
◼
►
don't know where we went I can't do that
◼
►
jump to Lightspeed and then minutes
◼
►
later the first-order reappears and it
◼
►
is quickly surmised sure how but its
◼
►
demise it like oh the first order must
◼
►
have tracked them through Lightspeed and
◼
►
this is where things start going a
◼
►
little wonky for me with the fundamental
◼
►
structure of the movie because first of
◼
►
all it's like okay we are now
◼
►
immediately establishing the idea that
◼
►
you can't track people through
◼
►
Lightspeed which I felt a bit like okay
◼
►
I don't remember that it seems like that
◼
►
would cause some problems in earlier
◼
►
movies if that wasn't possible but okay
◼
►
sure I'm happy to go along with this
◼
►
idea didn't I track the Millennium
◼
►
Falcon well maybe that is waited till I
◼
►
got to the other end and then found the
◼
►
bacon whereas here the problem was they
◼
►
were following the bacon like in real
◼
►
time yeah I like I was wondering about
◼
►
that I'd like to bumpa felt like he
◼
►
jumps into light speed after the really
◼
►
fun but like I don't remember exactly
◼
►
but whatever it's like okay alright in
◼
►
this universe you're establishing this
◼
►
is a thing right yeah but then minutes
◼
►
later they point out that that Leia has
◼
►
a magic ring that's ray can use to find
◼
►
her anywhere and it's like oh okay so
◼
►
you can't track people through
◼
►
Lightspeed but you can have homing
◼
►
beacons that work across the entire
◼
►
galaxy I'm not as aunty this is as you
◼
►
I understand what's going on here okay I
◼
►
genuinely want you to explain cuz I felt
◼
►
confused about this distinction of what
◼
►
is occurring and I was also I want to
◼
►
know did I miss something was there
◼
►
something on the capital ship that they
◼
►
were using to track them I feel like I
◼
►
missed something that I think there was
◼
►
something there we were being set up for
◼
►
that never happened like there was gonna
◼
►
be a mole or something yeah that's what
◼
►
I kept waiting for it's like oh there's
◼
►
a piece of equipment I actually thought
◼
►
I was going to have something to do with
◼
►
Finn but like because he was former
◼
►
Empire they were using him somehow like
◼
►
I kept waiting for a shoe to drop here
◼
►
that never dropped yeah the thing with a
◼
►
large Spade I think that you can track
◼
►
homing beacons and things like that when
◼
►
someone is at a place across the
◼
►
universe right there's a you know you
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can put a bug on someone and you can
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find out where they are at any given
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point but I think that doesn't happen
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while you're traveling through
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hyperspace and the thing that I think
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was made clear in this film than all the
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other films is the traveling through
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hyperspace is not an instantaneous thing
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it's like a voyage because you know how
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we see all those scenes where they're
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sitting at the window and yeah a space
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is going so I think the new innovation
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here is the ability to track vehicles
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while they're going through these you
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know wishy-washy like tunnels and I
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think that's what didn't exist before
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so when Han Solo and the money in Falcon
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get away at the end of Star Wars and
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grand moff tarkin says we're taking a
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terrible risk here by letting him get
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away through hyperspace because he's got
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the homing beacon so they know when he
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pops out the other end you will get the
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homing beacon back hmm this new
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innovation is a homing beacon that works
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while you're going through the
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wishy-washy tunnel hmm okay so this
◼
►
allows them to just appear sooner yeah
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►
you don't have to wait for meeeeee to
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pop out the other end and then do your
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five or six hour journey to get there
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okay you can be right on there but
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straight away okay that makes sense that
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makes sense that makes me feel better
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but it doesn't get to find fundamental
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problem which is okay so they they get
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out here and now the whole background of
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the movie is that there is this slow
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motion chase that is occurring right
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yeah that the resistance is flying ahead
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ship and the first order and they're
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able to fly far enough out of range that
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guns can't hurt them but not far enough
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to actually get away and this is the
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moment where the Star Wars universe
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introduces the concept of fuel that the
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ship only has a certain amount of fuel
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that it can use that they can only make
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one more Lightspeed jump and even
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traveling at sublight speed they only
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have a certain amount of time that they
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can go hmm and I found it kind of crazy
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making this concept of fuel and I
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haven't looked at anything online but I
◼
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did just ask some people about like does
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the original trilogy ever reference fuel
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and the answer is like it's implied but
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nobody ever talks about it is one of
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those things where I realize like it's
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never occurred to me the concept of fuel
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with the ships like it's never crossed
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►
my mind but now this is like a
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fundamentally important mechanism okay I
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►
think you're splitting hairs there I
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think it's pretty obvious that these
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vehicles are gonna need fueling well
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►
like at one point or another because
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like I'm simply saying it never really
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►
but now like here is a mechanism around
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which the movie revolves and it is a
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ticking time bomb right we have 18 hours
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►
before the ship runs out of fuel it's
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like okay I guess so but then also this
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Chase is just happening and it's like
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how does this chase work the ship is
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always able to just stay out of range
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►
but never actually get very far and they
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►
can't catch up and then okay if I even
◼
►
give you that scenario which is a little
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►
bit hard to imagine like even if you're
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►
imagining like cars doing this in the
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►
real world it's a little bit hard to
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►
understand like how does this work
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►
exactly you're traveling at exactly the
◼
►
same speed but one of the cars is a
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►
hundred thousand times the size of the
◼
►
other car like this quite a coincidence
◼
►
and this is without even getting into
◼
►
all like nerdery that nobody cares about
◼
►
about acceleration if in space like I'll
◼
►
leave all of that to the side yeah
◼
►
here's my background problem how big is
◼
►
the first order in this movie because
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►
this whole scenario just doesn't hold up
◼
►
it's implied and it becomes the case
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►
that's like the entire resistance is
◼
►
being chased the ships that are here is
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►
everyone that's left it's like okay got
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►
but the first order do they not have any
◼
►
other ship that can warp in a head of
◼
►
the resistance Corvettes like they know
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►
where it is like this weird chase
◼
►
implies that these are all of the first
◼
►
order ships that exist that they can't
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►
have anybody come in at light speed
◼
►
ahead of the resistance I get just the
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►
chase is dumb and makes no sense on any
◼
►
level but it's the structure of the
◼
►
whole movie it sort of drove me crazy
◼
►
because it kept pushing back to this
◼
►
thing that we mentioned with the force
◼
►
awakens of like like I can't believe
◼
►
that I'm here asking for more politics
◼
►
in my Star Wars movies but I really
◼
►
think it's like a background rot of
◼
►
these movies like where did the first
◼
►
order come from how big are they how
◼
►
powerful are they like in the last movie
◼
►
they built a gun the size of a planet
◼
►
but in this movie they don't have one
◼
►
ship to spare to warp in ahead of the
◼
►
guys you're chasing it just drives me
◼
►
crazy like this inability to understand
◼
►
the scale of the enemy in the movie I
◼
►
think it's it's really really bad yeah
◼
►
and that assault at the very end of the
◼
►
film tow that they launched on the
◼
►
bunker also seems quite small-scale
◼
►
doesn't in this game of things for how
◼
►
important it is but because here's the
◼
►
thing okay chasing down the resistance
◼
►
seems so important that the supreme
◼
►
leader of the first order in his capital
◼
►
ship is there to personally oversee this
◼
►
event like it seems incredibly important
◼
►
but you can't fly a couple more ships in
◼
►
to resolve this within an hour what that
◼
►
makes it feel like is this is it like
◼
►
this is the whole battle all of the
◼
►
first order ships are here and all of
◼
►
the resistances here which then I can't
◼
►
come up with a metaphor for it but I
◼
►
just I keep coming back to this idea
◼
►
it feels like this is a fight between
◼
►
two school gangs it made the whole thing
◼
►
seem really small the small size of the
◼
►
rebellion I think shocked me at times is
◼
►
that is that all they've got I have to
◼
►
say I always assumed the first order is
◼
►
bigger much much bigger and there were
◼
►
so many other problems I had with the
◼
►
scenario I didn't even think about what
◼
►
you're thinking about I never even
◼
►
thought about I kind of just accepted
◼
►
the premise yeah I just think that it's
◼
►
like you can't have it both ways you
◼
►
can't have it that this is so important
◼
►
that the top guy is here but it's not so
◼
►
important that we're not gonna pull
◼
►
personnel from anywhere else in the
◼
►
entire galaxy to help out right it's
◼
►
like these two things can't be true and
◼
►
yet I agree that story wise the first
◼
►
order has to be enormous there's some
◼
►
line in the beginning of the movie where
◼
►
someone says something like oh the first
◼
►
order is weeks away from capturing all
◼
►
the major star systems right which
◼
►
sounds like a metric ton of ships but
◼
►
then this whole fight is taking place on
◼
►
such a small scale that it just it makes
◼
►
things feel small and I think it's like
◼
►
it's a problem for the whole movie this
◼
►
the structure but it sounds like you had
◼
►
some kind of different problem with it
◼
►
that distracted you from this the
◼
►
problem that was distracting me from
◼
►
that problem okay right god it was
◼
►
obviously while this scenario is
◼
►
unfolding this low speed chase right we
◼
►
have some of the characters decide they
◼
►
think they can solve the problem by
◼
►
enlisting some code breaker and breaking
◼
►
onto the other ship but to get him
◼
►
they've got to go to like some other
◼
►
place in the galaxy right and they just
◼
►
like they leave they get on a ship and
◼
►
leave and go and have another adventure
◼
►
and come back so it's like this
◼
►
low-speed chase where everyone's
◼
►
supposed to be trapped but it was like
◼
►
you can just come and go as you please
◼
►
like so when Poe and Rose decide to go
◼
►
off and have this other adventure and
◼
►
they jump in a ship and say alright
◼
►
we'll catch you guys later people can
◼
►
just complete what that's crazy yeah
◼
►
it's one of those things in a movie
◼
►
where I think they're just hoping you
◼
►
don't notice or don't think about it
◼
►
they don't give you a little bit of
◼
►
fluff to make it seem like you get away
◼
►
with it but no one's buying that they do
◼
►
give you some fluff but here's the thing
◼
►
they pulled that same trick twice
◼
►
because jumping forward later on in the
◼
►
movie the whole plan is we're gonna
◼
►
eject 30 transport ships that they're
◼
►
just not gonna see it's so yeah and
◼
►
you'd think if there was some other
◼
►
planet nearby where this low-speed chase
◼
►
was happening yeah the first order would
◼
►
be all over that I'd be like look this
◼
►
Chase is gonna take us near a big planet
◼
►
saying so maybe that's gonna come into
◼
►
it wouldn't be some shock that they try
◼
►
and use the planet somehow yeah the
◼
►
thing that I was also wondering is like
◼
►
presumably the Corvette is headed
◼
►
straight for the planet right like if
◼
►
they're running out of fuel and they
◼
►
only just barely get there I'm imagining
◼
►
they were headed pretty straight for it
◼
►
and they have this throwaway line about
◼
►
like oh we're headed towards this
◼
►
uncharted planet but again I'm also
◼
►
feeling like but yeah it's a planet
◼
►
you're towing in a first order right
◼
►
behind you like the first order would be
◼
►
thinking look the only play these guys
◼
►
have got yeah is to get onto that planet
◼
►
because they're about to run out of fuel
◼
►
and get the hell blasted out of them so
◼
►
whatever we do make sure we keep the
◼
►
radars to make sure they don't send any
◼
►
ships to that planet yeah and yeah it's
◼
►
this like it's this great spooky move
◼
►
that no one yeah yeah it's like the side
◼
►
adventure is trying to set you up for
◼
►
this idea they're like oh we can leave
◼
►
and come back and they won't see like
◼
►
really okay okay that's a hell of a
◼
►
claim the Star Wars legends films gray
◼
►
did they have these problems like we
◼
►
were little kids watching them we're
◼
►
parents laughing at us because of all
◼
►
these ridiculous plot holes well again
◼
►
every watch them as an adult and one of
◼
►
the things that I have to give them real
◼
►
credit for is they have sensible
◼
►
explanations for a bunch of stuff so one
◼
►
of the things here is like okay so in
◼
►
this movie at the very end the
◼
►
Millennium Falcon takes out what seems
◼
►
to be like 20 Typhoid errs and there's
◼
►
like okay there's no problem at all ray
◼
►
and Chewie are able to take down all
◼
►
these time fighters and rise pretty
◼
►
skilled and got the fullest and stuff
◼
►
yeah I know it's like okay I get I'm
◼
►
gonna give them all that right I'm gonna
◼
►
give them all those advantages and
◼
►
that's fantastic but like in the
◼
►
original movie yeah they took down a
◼
►
bunch of Thai fighters but it was part
◼
►
of the plot that the Empire was letting
◼
►
them get away and I feel like somehow
◼
►
that first like Oh our clunky Millenium
◼
►
Falcon was able to get away in a
◼
►
situation where the Empire was letting
◼
►
them get away has morphed into the
◼
►
Millennium Falcon is the most nimble
◼
►
they take down everything this was my
◼
►
force awakens criticism all over again
◼
►
the special powers they've been imbued
◼
►
on the Millennium Falcon are very
◼
►
frustrating yeah it's crazy and I like I
◼
►
think I was less sensitive to that last
◼
►
I felt like oh come on because I had
◼
►
lost track of all of the TIE fighters I
◼
►
was like wait a minute what happened to
◼
►
all those Tie Fighters and then my wife
◼
►
she's like oh the Millennium Falcon just
◼
►
just wiped them on that like uh okay
◼
►
great but I think that like that's a key
◼
►
thing that there were more reasonable
◼
►
explanations stuff that's a dumb plot
◼
►
idea that like oh you drop a bomb in a
◼
►
particular hole in the whole thing blows
◼
►
up is like okay fine whatever but at
◼
►
least it's a mechanism for why can a
◼
►
tiny number of ships defeat a larger
◼
►
number of ships yeah right whereas in in
◼
►
this movie repeatedly we have this idea
◼
►
that like the ridiculously outclassed
◼
►
resistance is able to just win because
◼
►
they're better like in the end fighting
◼
►
scene it was really the case was like
◼
►
they call out by number like the
◼
►
resistance has 13 ships and we are here
◼
►
on the planet with like all of this
◼
►
material like and we're still gonna get
◼
►
our asses handed to us it's frustrating
◼
►
and I think it's just nonsensical
◼
►
because you the movie wants certain
◼
►
things to happen well like it or not PO
◼
►
and Rose go to Vegas the you know Monica
◼
►
Monica is that's where they go I swear
◼
►
to God I was looking at that I was like
◼
►
did they actually film it in Monaco I
◼
►
was waiting for a gigantic sign that
◼
►
said welcome to Monaco in the background
◼
►
you know like some CGI artists forgot to
◼
►
erase Brady I hate this part of the
◼
►
movie I hate this part of the movie so
◼
►
much weighing levels yeah I'm with you
◼
►
except gray I really loved the scene
◼
►
where they put the coins in bb-8 because
◼
►
they think he's a slot machine I thought
◼
►
that was really clever it was really
◼
►
clever it was terrible I know what I
◼
►
loved about that the reason I was gonna
◼
►
say is kind of clever is I didn't notice
◼
►
on the first watching
◼
►
but on the second watching I like that
◼
►
the fully artist bothered to make coin
◼
►
rolling around sounds whenever bb-8
◼
►
moved about like oh I didn't I didn't I
◼
►
would never have noticed it on the first
◼
►
watching but on the second watching I
◼
►
was like I like this way better because
◼
►
somebody cared to have it like a bag
◼
►
full of money that he was moving around
◼
►
in the Foley Department I think that is
◼
►
where this film strayed too far into
◼
►
prequel territory that whole thing this
◼
►
is also where I gotta say like the real
◼
►
world coming into the movie is just it's
◼
►
like it's too much for me yeah why would
◼
►
it'd be so similar to air gambling
◼
►
before we get there okay thing I liked
◼
►
it's like okay this I enjoyed as a turn
◼
►
for two seconds before you you leaned
◼
►
into a too much movie I liked the idea
◼
►
they're gonna go to a hive of scum and
◼
►
villainy right and engineer fangirl is
◼
►
there and she says oh we're you know
◼
►
these are the worst people in the world
◼
►
and I liked for two seconds that it's a
◼
►
bunch of rich people in a casino right I
◼
►
thought that is a nice turn on the
◼
►
expectation that's a nice little genre
◼
►
flip here I'd like the idea it wasn't
◼
►
really explored very far I also liked
◼
►
the idea of there being Star Wars arms
◼
►
dealers it was selling eighty eighty s
◼
►
and x-wing fighters and we're gonna have
◼
►
to finally disagree on that but so that
◼
►
thing about like okay they're the worst
◼
►
people in the world it's a bunch of rich
◼
►
people in Monaco it's like okay I can
◼
►
get along with it I think that's a fun
◼
►
idea but it's a fun idea for two seconds
◼
►
and then as we like we lean into it with
◼
►
all of these other elements it again
◼
►
it's the real world like leading into
◼
►
the Star Wars world and like I felt like
◼
►
I lost my mind at the arms dealer part
◼
►
it felt like the most unstart thing ever
◼
►
I'm gonna sorry Julie I'm gonna retract
◼
►
what I said now I think about it more
◼
►
because although I do have always had
◼
►
questions about where x-wing fighters
◼
►
come from right where Dex wings come
◼
►
from because the rebellion of got so
◼
►
many of them and the rebellion it's not
◼
►
it was very our galaxy into that galaxy
◼
►
and it was also picking something that's
◼
►
very zeitgeist isn't it it felt like
◼
►
we're having a little like Occupy Wall
◼
►
Street moment or something or it was
◼
►
like I'm having a character tell me that
◼
►
the only way you can get this rich in
◼
►
the Star Wars universe is by selling
◼
►
arms to the first order as I okay well
◼
►
yeah and don't be cruel to animals yeah
◼
►
well we'll get there it's like that's
◼
►
interesting that you're telling me that
◼
►
in in this entire like galaxy spanning
◼
►
universe there's no software
◼
►
billionaires like like who's writing the
◼
►
user interfaces for these machines you
◼
►
know really this is the only way you can
◼
►
get this wealthy if it's the only way
◼
►
you can get this wealthy like how is the
◼
►
first order paying for all of this like
◼
►
surely there's wealthier guys in the
◼
►
first order like buying the guns well
◼
►
I've got text I've got text but like
◼
►
who invented Facebook in this galaxy he
◼
►
must be rich yeah I know that so there's
◼
►
a thing about it which I just I really
◼
►
hate this character introduces like all
◼
►
of these rich people are bad and all of
◼
►
us terrorists in the resistance are
◼
►
great all right we have not one but two
◼
►
suicide bombers in the resistance in
◼
►
this movie they're fantastic people but
◼
►
like these people in this casino they're
◼
►
all bad and they're selling guns to the
◼
►
and when they paper in the casino here
◼
►
just like they're on a stag day yeah but
◼
►
that's what I was wondering it's like
◼
►
all of them are arms dealers like that's
◼
►
a lot of arms dealers that little
◼
►
leprechaun he's an arms dealer the
◼
►
opera singer who who yells when the
◼
►
horses come running through the casino
◼
►
with she an arms dealer are all the
◼
►
people working in this casino arms
◼
►
dealers you know it's it's crazy
◼
►
and also fair if you have this like
◼
►
special casino where only arms dealers
◼
►
can go and everyone is that rich so I
◼
►
accept the premise that they're all arms
◼
►
dealers right wouldn't security be a bit
◼
►
higher than having these people park
◼
►
their shuttle on a bender yeah but this
◼
►
is this is it like that doesn't make any
◼
►
sense right but but here we are like
◼
►
we're with the 1% of the 1% with the
◼
►
arms dealers but you can just walk in it
◼
►
doesn't make any sense and I'm really
◼
►
glad that they touched on it later
◼
►
because I swear to god I was sitting in
◼
►
this seat like fuming at this point also
◼
►
because this is where I was like rose I
◼
►
hate you and I want you to die so badly
◼
►
but when she's talking about the arms
◼
►
dealers like it was all I could do to
◼
►
not scream at the film like where do you
◼
►
get those x-wings from like where do you
◼
►
think you're buying these things from
◼
►
and I'm like I'm so glad that the movie
◼
►
just touched on it briefly for a second
◼
►
yeah it's like why are your guns better
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than their guns like are your guns made
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with flowers and lights and love and oh
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the first order they're just bad this
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sort of going back to rogue one I feel
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like this movie had a real problem in
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the way that one did have like you need
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to give me more reasons to like the
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resistance and to dislike the first
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order did rise explain why she was say
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auntie these people - it's like she felt
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it really struggling it's like she was
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educating PO about why this is bad yeah
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like was Rose like a slave to them at
◼
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why did I miss that was she more abused
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in her background than the others I
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think she says briefly is that her
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planet was strip mined by the first
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order to then buy the guns from the arms
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dealers like again it's like okay some
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kind of weird thing and then the arms
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►
dealers were testing out their weapons
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on her planet and then like she quote
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lost everything she may have said it but
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I certainly didn't feel it yeah and I
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was like great I don't care about you at
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all but it's just there was something
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about it that's just childish
◼
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in this way I'm like oh all these people
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in the casino are terrible people and
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all of the resistance fighters are great
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and just combined with the things like a
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little moment in a movie which I think
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it they all add up was like I should
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like the resistance but I just don't and
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one of the reasons I don't like the
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resistance is when we first meet Rose
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what is she doing she's stunning and
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throwing in the brig deserters from the
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resistance who are trying to escape what
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they view as a pointless mission where
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they're all going to die and it's like
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shouldn't story-wise the resistance be
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the force that lets you go if you want
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to leave isn't that a way to make them
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sympathetic instead of like oh you're
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stun gunning all day long people who
◼
►
were trying to desert still need some
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►
military precision in these crisis
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►
situations great yeah don't get me wrong
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in real life if I was running a
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I'd have stun Gunners standing at every
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escape pod all right like that's what I
◼
►
would really do but I'm just talking
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about like story wise why do you have to
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explicitly call this out like why can't
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►
you have her be doing almost anything
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►
else I have no real reason to like the
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resistance and then they're filled with
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dumb characters who do stupid things
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which makes them even more unlikable
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►
I've just realized by the way for
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►
everyone listening it isn't PO that goes
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off with roses oh yes yes and it's been
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►
sorry for all those times I've said I'm
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►
frustrated you my name is a bit mixed up
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►
but anyway I'm sure you've got that any
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►
feedback on that at all that will have
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►
written the comments now where I
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►
corrected it so great just a quick
◼
►
intermission here before you continue
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►
with your Monaco tirade which I'm
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►
looking forward to all of these things
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►
you think like these plot holes and
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these things that drive you crazy are
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►
you thinking them during the film or
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►
pretty complicated stuff you're thinking
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about and the film goes at a reasonable
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pace I don't think I have time to think
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►
of all these plot holes until afterwards
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►
I certainly think about them afterwards
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do you think about them afterwards
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►
ordering a lot of this stuff I was
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►
thinking during but I think that's
◼
►
because this movie felt like a slower
◼
►
movie like during rogue one I remember a
◼
►
feeling of just being more confused or
◼
►
like not following parts but this movie
◼
►
there was a bunch of stuff that was
◼
►
bothering me during it so like the thing
◼
►
about the fuel and the relative speed of
◼
►
the ship sighs like this is crazy and it
◼
►
makes no sense it's the problem again of
◼
►
like breaking a suspension of disbelief
◼
►
that then causes me to be sitting there
◼
►
and thinking about a thing and that that
◼
►
is the whole magic of a good movie is a
◼
►
good movie doesn't do that it doesn't
◼
►
break you out and get you thinking about
◼
►
the stuff but landing in a place which
◼
►
is obviously Monaco and then talking
◼
►
about arms dealers it's like oh okay I
◼
►
thought I was going to enjoy a movie but
◼
►
now I'm getting like a political lesson
◼
►
from the writers of this script and
◼
►
that's what like kicks me out of it and
◼
►
then starts a little loop in my head
◼
►
where I'm thinking about the movie as
◼
►
I'm watching the movie so I'm in the
◼
►
Vegas or Monaco what if you want to call
◼
►
a thing I didn't like at all and then
◼
►
this person they go to get the help from
◼
►
like we save hit that person briefly and
◼
►
then they obviously don't get to get
◼
►
that person and then there's this other
◼
►
person and then there's the horse-racing
◼
►
saying yeah well just like this was
◼
►
shark jumping territory for me there's
◼
►
two things here and I feel like after
◼
►
this I have a whole bunch of just minor
◼
►
points about the movie but it's like the
◼
►
casino thing it's where the movie broke
◼
►
for me because I was thinking this is so
◼
►
Monaco I can't believe it and then they
◼
►
introduced a race track and that's like
◼
►
it's too much right it's too much hmm
◼
►
it's like they flew to a casino city
◼
►
that was called Las Vegas and there's a
◼
►
gigantic pyramid in the middle of the
◼
►
city it's like it's too much but really
◼
►
home with that kind of like lost me and
◼
►
was very very space ballsy was so they
◼
►
they meet in prison the guy who's gonna
◼
►
break codes for them you know it's just
◼
►
like a fantastic miracle of luck they
◼
►
bump into this guy and they they staged
◼
►
like an escape and off camera
◼
►
in an unspecified manner bb-8 has
◼
►
disabled handcuffed and duct-taped over
◼
►
their mouth three guards
◼
►
yeah and the movie does it is like a
◼
►
little joke where Benicio del Toro was
◼
►
like oh did you do that and then they
◼
►
show another guard come around and bb-8
◼
►
uses all of those coins so cleverly put
◼
►
in his chest and like shoots the guy
◼
►
down with a bunch of coins as if you're
◼
►
not insulted enough by the fact he's
◼
►
tired these people out there gonna spit
◼
►
in your face and have him use these
◼
►
coins as yeah and then he blows on the
◼
►
the nozzle of his gun like he's Clint
◼
►
Eastwood and it's like what is he
◼
►
blowing on that to me was the exact
◼
►
moment where I'm like I'm done movie
◼
►
because it's so absurd and if bb-8 can
◼
►
do this well he seems really useful like
◼
►
why don't you have a whole bunch of
◼
►
these bb-8 droids yeah like a flying at
◼
►
a date oh yeah yeah it's like if this is
◼
►
a thing that exists in this universe
◼
►
then it breaks the universe and there's
◼
►
stuff later on which is also like you
◼
►
universe breaking it's a bit like how
◼
►
good the droids are like you said like
◼
►
r2d2 flies or in rogue one the you know
◼
►
the robot in Rogue rogue one is like so
◼
►
good like why don't you just have these
◼
►
guys all the time why do you mess around
◼
►
with humans that just really broke it
◼
►
for me and then you know they escaped
◼
►
and they go see the horses in the
◼
►
stables like the gigantic horse
◼
►
creatures and this is where I'm like I'm
◼
►
losing my mind right because as I hate
◼
►
you so much Rose wants to free all of
◼
►
the horses but they leave the slave
◼
►
children behind it's like oh go like run
◼
►
free horses slave children you stay here
◼
►
I'm sure everything will be fine for you
◼
►
well they're using the horses to to get
◼
►
away on like there's utility to the
◼
►
horses to them and they're using the big
◼
►
group of horses as like you know
◼
►
distraction and they just dropped on us
◼
►
but I understand what is occurring here
◼
►
but there's like oh they show that the
◼
►
horses are abused of course because they
◼
►
have to be right just because you know
◼
►
it couldn't just be a horse race and
◼
►
arms dealers don't care about abused
◼
►
animals because they're monsters
◼
►
right I mean it's like okay whatever but
◼
►
these these horses all escaped you just
◼
►
leave the slave children behind and they
◼
►
do with this this romp through the city
◼
►
which i think is hilarious whereas like
◼
►
to jump on every single car like they're
◼
►
jumping from car to car just to smash
◼
►
them all up because it's real fun I
◼
►
guess and they sort of escaped into the
◼
►
woods on these horses their whole plan
◼
►
has like totally failed from their
◼
►
perspective they lost the key breaker
◼
►
guy they're not necessarily gonna get
◼
►
off of this island like they don't know
◼
►
what's going to happen and then Finn and
◼
►
Rose have a little conversation about
◼
►
how oh it was really all worth it just
◼
►
to make these dirty arms dealers feel
◼
►
the pain a little bit it's like what do
◼
►
you what do you mean like you smashed up
◼
►
a couple of their cars if there is rich
◼
►
as you're saying they are like they
◼
►
could make cars rain down from the sky
◼
►
all day with their money like you
◼
►
haven't done anything to harm them in
◼
►
the slightest it's like you know you're
◼
►
like an idiot protester who's gonna I'm
◼
►
gonna boycott Walmart I'm not gonna buy
◼
►
any of their goods it's like yeah great
◼
►
congratulations you've done so much here
◼
►
maybe those space horses are like really
◼
►
valuable so anyway they're like oh it's
◼
►
great we made the rich guys hurt then we
◼
►
let these horses get away you know and
◼
►
Finn says oh it was really worth it to
◼
►
make those guys hurt and then Rose takes
◼
►
the saddle off one of the horses and as
◼
►
like go run free horse she goes now it
◼
►
was really worth it it's like okay hold
◼
►
on a second Rose let's review the
◼
►
situation the entire resistance is going
◼
►
to die because your mission has failed
◼
►
but you have that let some horses run
◼
►
free for perhaps a couple of hours
◼
►
before they get rounded up again yeah
◼
►
it's like I hate you so much as a
◼
►
character and we haven't even gotten to
◼
►
the thing that she does that I hate the
◼
►
most but this whole casino thing I was
◼
►
like I cannot deal with this side quest
◼
►
the side quest is just ridiculous it was
◼
►
a rubbish side quest oh wow radium okay
◼
►
that's as angry as I'm gonna be except
◼
►
for the other thing but I'm good okay I
◼
►
feel era I feel like I got that out of
◼
►
me while we're speaking about robots and
◼
►
Android sorry Ben baby yeah not robots
◼
►
Brady no there was an earlier saying
◼
►
that I kind of wanted to see what you
◼
►
thought about that we've kind of skipped
◼
►
over and this was when luke skywalker's
◼
►
says i'm not going to get involved i'm
◼
►
not gonna help and then r2 guilts him by
◼
►
showing the old video of Princess Leia
◼
►
a very human thing that r2 did wasn't it
◼
►
like it was very subtle and strategic
◼
►
and playing on human emotions and like
◼
►
what did you think of that play from r2
◼
►
that it came from r2 very crucial thing
◼
►
you know that was the turning point okay
◼
►
yeah I'm gonna help I am gonna help now
◼
►
because I remember what it's all about
◼
►
and it came from the Droid well I mean
◼
►
this brings up the deep problem of droid
◼
►
slavery in the Star Wars universe I was
◼
►
trying to go there again but it is like
◼
►
it is totally a thing like those the
◼
►
droids as presented in Star Wars are
◼
►
just totally conscious creatures with a
◼
►
range of emotions and feelings yeah so
◼
►
to have a droid in the Star Wars
◼
►
universe to a very human thing is
◼
►
totally unsurprising in a way that in
◼
►
other genres it might feel like oh
◼
►
you're just getting the robot to do what
◼
►
the robot needs to do in this scene yeah
◼
►
I did like it but then again the the
◼
►
like the little comment from Luke about
◼
►
being oh that's a really cheap move I
◼
►
felt again like okay what the script is
◼
►
getting meta again like we're
◼
►
referencing the movie itself so that
◼
►
you're pulling me out of this yeah you
◼
►
didn't have to dismiss it he could have
◼
►
just looked and you know he could have
◼
►
just looked really sad and it would have
◼
►
been 10 times more powerful yeah because
◼
►
in some ways that was the most important
◼
►
yeah and they dismissed her like almost
◼
►
like he said all that craps not gonna
◼
►
work on me you stupid droid before he
◼
►
says anything I also thought that if the
◼
►
directors had just let him keep his
◼
►
mouth shut I don't know if it was
◼
►
intentional or not but I feel like it's
◼
►
also a scene that has the potential to
◼
►
really have a little poignant moment
◼
►
about how much older Luke is hmm it is
◼
►
him seeing his sister you know 35 40
◼
►
years younger and last time he looked at
◼
►
it he was this you know testosterone shy
◼
►
yeah naive boy who just thought oh
◼
►
that's a fit girl yeah and now so much
◼
►
has changed about him yeah you could
◼
►
have just lingered on how old he looked
◼
►
and he'll podgy his face was in like we
◼
►
as viewers would have also been feeling
◼
►
the same thing gosh last time I saw that
◼
►
I was a young boy and now look at all of
◼
►
us like it was very special and get
◼
►
trampled on like so many other things
◼
►
like oh don't hold on the seriousness
◼
►
too long we're gonna have to have a sort
◼
►
of half joke or a sort of meta comment
◼
►
about it they're like huh like I liked
◼
►
it until that line and I was like oh
◼
►
here we go again there was also
◼
►
something that didn't quite sit right
◼
►
with me that like our tooth ought to do
◼
►
it don't get you know I like r2d2 as
◼
►
much as the next person but it just sort
◼
►
of an eye but it's also to me the thing
◼
►
of like I forgot r2d2 was supposed to be
◼
►
in this movie until this moment and then
◼
►
he just does the one thing and then
◼
►
disappears again yeah anyway it was it
◼
►
was an interesting scene that could have
◼
►
what about Snoke and the big battle in
◼
►
in his lair with those all those red
◼
►
imperial guards around the place as well
◼
►
the first time I saw them I thought they
◼
►
were pretty cool like the first time
◼
►
when they tried to come to Stokes like
◼
►
defense and he was just one-on-one with
◼
►
kylo I thought was a pretty cool scene I
◼
►
was like oh wow those guys badass I
◼
►
liked them mm-hmm later on they became a
◼
►
bit silly because there were just too
◼
►
many of them and they were jumping
◼
►
around the place like ninjas but it was
◼
►
a little choreographed yeah there was a
◼
►
little bit of like I'm watching a fight
◼
►
on a stage play oh yeah these two people
◼
►
are pushing this guy back and now he's
◼
►
going to bounce off I would have loved
◼
►
it if they had just run because I was
◼
►
yeah I was kind of wondering like what
◼
►
exactly are those guys are they like
◼
►
tree nice it's like I don't know I get
◼
►
you tell you like it would have been
◼
►
funnier if they read because like they
◼
►
were there for snow then boss has just
◼
►
died like what's their motivation for
◼
►
trying to kill either of those two
◼
►
actually it didn't occur to me until
◼
►
just now but he isn't kylo Ren like
◼
►
second-in-command like don't they know
◼
►
he's the apprentice to the master and
◼
►
now that the master is gone shouldn't
◼
►
they just be serving kylo Ren was
◼
►
car-like complicit and snoke's
◼
►
assassination what did he know it was
◼
►
going on and allow it did he know that
◼
►
she was twisting the lightsaber I
◼
►
thought maybe that's what was going on
◼
►
but they were in cahoots there okay this
◼
►
is an interesting moment because I read
◼
►
that scene totally differently yeah I
◼
►
read that scene that kylo Ren killed him
◼
►
okay so I had a big complaint about this
◼
►
because I on the second viewing I had to
◼
►
write it down because I thought the
◼
►
scene was so absurd because smoke moves
◼
►
ray before kylo Ren so that he will kill
◼
►
her hmm right and kylo Ren looks right
◼
►
I know what I have to do okay so this is
◼
►
a nearly word-for-word and I needed just
◼
►
the way smoke did this is nearly
◼
►
word-for-word his speechifying at the
◼
►
end in Kyllo where there was a conflict
◼
►
I now since resolved I cannot be
◼
►
I see his mind I see him turning the
◼
►
lightsaber to strike true he ignites it
◼
►
and kills his true enemy who could that
◼
►
be his true enemy is it me yeah yeah I
◼
►
read that wrong and I'm looking at the
◼
►
Wikipedia radical it also says that Kyla
◼
►
kills snakes a well that would explain
◼
►
why the Red Guards are after both of
◼
►
them your version would be way better
◼
►
but I thought that was like the heaviest
◼
►
thing I had seen on film in a long time
◼
►
and the whole villain of snow snow
◼
►
whatever the hell and my brain I keep
◼
►
pulling like Snape his whole villain was
◼
►
just totally wasted and totally
◼
►
pointless and was another thing that
◼
►
felt to me like some kind of director or
◼
►
studio disagreement behind the scenes
◼
►
because in the last movie it's a big
◼
►
mystery oh who is this guy and in this
◼
►
movie the answer is he's a guy who sits
◼
►
in a throne room and gives a bunch of
◼
►
speeches and doesn't really do anything
◼
►
and reveals nothing about where the
◼
►
first order came from or where he came
◼
►
or anything is it def mole the guy who's
◼
►
red and black and yeah it's like him
◼
►
it's like oh that's a pretty interesting
◼
►
character I can't wait to find out where
◼
►
he came from and what his story is and
◼
►
what he's all about and then they just
◼
►
let kill him off and that's what
◼
►
happened with this snake I was kind of
◼
►
thinking ah you're pretty handy with the
◼
►
force there yeah and you're pretty
◼
►
interesting looking like where'd you
◼
►
come from and what's your story
◼
►
you've got me interested and then let's
◼
►
cute it off and going back to my problem
◼
►
with like the political situation I
◼
►
think this is an answer that really
◼
►
needs to be resolved is after the
◼
►
supposed victory of the original trilogy
◼
►
where does this guy come from
◼
►
who's the one who starts up the first
◼
►
order hmm that needs an answer whereas
◼
►
like in the original trilogy because
◼
►
you're just starting the story you can
◼
►
say here's the state of affairs there's
◼
►
a gigantic empire that controls the
◼
►
universe and there's a bunch of rebels
◼
►
go write story starts here but you can't
◼
►
do that when you've continued the story
◼
►
after the victory jumped forward 40
◼
►
years and try to reset the clock like
◼
►
there needs to be some kind of answer I
◼
►
think that was like obviously what his
◼
►
character was supposed to do but it
◼
►
really felt like someone decided a done
◼
►
like Snoke like we're gonna get rid of
◼
►
him and we're gonna make sure he does
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absolutely nothing in this movie except
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be frankly like an over-the-top comical
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speechifying a villain right like he
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just loves to talk that guy like I felt
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so bad for those Red Guards like they
◼
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must have to hear him talking all day
◼
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long like I think he's like he's
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practicing speeches in that throne room
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they just have to listen he does nothing
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and what's potentially an interesting
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character but like well I guess he's
◼
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just gone okay it's interesting isn't it
◼
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because oh for good stir whores films
◼
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have like a dual type thing at the end
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that is really important and like a
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highlight of the film and this one like
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I've got hardly any notes here really
◼
►
uninterested in it and like the
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confrontation the moment between Rey and
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kylo Ren and you know really just like
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it was really forgettable I kind of
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already forget what happened that he
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said join me and yeah she said no and a
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lightsaber broke in half and she pissed
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off and I think you really raised an
◼
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excellent point that just didn't cross
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my mind which is why are those cards
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even fighting them I don't understand
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either they should not care anymore or
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they should recognize that kylo Ren is
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now the next in charge oh it's a
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free-for-all for the to control the
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throne in that room like is that what's
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happening it doesn't make any sense why
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that fight occurs is to jump ahead in my
◼
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notes and jump ahead in the film because
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it touches on this this is one of my
◼
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criticisms and questions about the film
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too and that is the dedication of people
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that have no skin in the game like when
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the ships are all blowing up at the end
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and you know it's all going pear-shaped
◼
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that's silver storm trooper and all the
◼
►
other storm troopers are still like
◼
►
amongst the carnage is their ship falls
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apart and everyone should run evacuating
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they're still just concentrating on
◼
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these killing these two rebels like at
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least at the end of Return of the Jedi
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when when it's all going pear-shaped on
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and Luke's dragging Darth Vader through
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the hangar like no one cares because all
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they care about is just getting the hell
◼
►
like normal people but here people who
◼
►
with no skin in the game and no reason
◼
►
to care this much are just battling on
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►
mindlessly doing things that make no
◼
►
sense you've hit on such a detail that I
◼
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love in those original movies is that
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seen as like the ship is falling apart
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and everybody's just trying to get out
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and it's so impactful like people are
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acting in the way people would it's like
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a storm troopers got no skin in this
◼
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as soon as it looked like Darth Vader's
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incapacitated like they're just gonna
◼
►
leave him to die they don't get like
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everyone should trying to get out of
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►
there yeah and it provides a reason like
◼
►
how can Luke exit because everybody's
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just exiting they're all just wrecked
◼
►
leaving a drowning ship and nobody cares
◼
►
now that's what would really happen and
◼
►
then this becomes the answer is all of
◼
►
these stormtroopers really care because
◼
►
their video game a eyes with one goal
◼
►
which is to kill the protagonists all
◼
►
right that's the answer the question
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►
it's terrible in my dark heart of hearts
◼
►
I was hoping for a twist that I knew
◼
►
wasn't going to come but I thought would
◼
►
make the movie more interesting like
◼
►
maybe ray and kylo will switch positions
◼
►
because I feel like in the last movie
◼
►
and in this movie they do harp on this
◼
►
theme that like the dark side really
◼
►
pulls ray like maybe more than other
◼
►
characters we've seen and it's like man
◼
►
it would be like a really badass bold
◼
►
move to take your heroine and turn her
◼
►
into the villain and maybe have like
◼
►
kylo ends up going right back to leia
◼
►
like have them switch positions but it
◼
►
you know it's like i could see it wasn't
◼
►
going to happen but i thought like oh
◼
►
man maybe it like maybe we can salvage
◼
►
this with a really cool turn of the
◼
►
movie is like oh but nope okay alright
◼
►
it's just like a fight they just fight
◼
►
like join me and we'll rule the galaxy
◼
►
together is BFFs with benefits I guess I
◼
►
don't like I don't know I don't know
◼
►
really what the sale was there I will
◼
►
say a quick positive thing that happened
◼
►
around this part of the film like you
◼
►
know how in rogue one the scene with
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►
darth vader tearing the ship apart mmm
◼
►
was like the scene that everyone just
◼
►
went wild man that scene made the whole
◼
►
film worthwhile right there was one
◼
►
scene like that in this film that I
◼
►
thought that is cool and that was when
◼
►
the Corvette went into light speed and
◼
►
went through the whole squadron of enemy
◼
►
ships like I'd never seen what would
◼
►
happen if a ship went into
◼
►
hyperspace into a hole like fleet of
◼
►
other ships and the way that it tore all
◼
►
those ships apart for a few seconds I
◼
►
thought was a really cool looking Seine
◼
►
I thought it looked amazing okay yeah so
◼
►
you're talking about captain purple hair
◼
►
which was a terrible casting decision on
◼
►
my good casting someone as famous as
◼
►
Laura Dern in that role was a terrible
◼
►
decision and completely ripped me out of
◼
►
the film every time she was on screen
◼
►
because I've seen her in so many films
◼
►
that she was poorly cast yeah I want I
◼
►
want to get back to her cuz I've had
◼
►
some problems with her but that scene
◼
►
was without a doubt the highlight of the
◼
►
film she turns a ship around and she
◼
►
does a suicide maneuver into the capital
◼
►
ship yeah loved it and looked awesome it
◼
►
looked awesome the visuals were great
◼
►
cutting out the sound briefly and then
◼
►
having an explosion when you're not
◼
►
expecting it like the audio work was
◼
►
fantastic the way they shit like they
◼
►
showed you that the ship was going
◼
►
through like it wasn't just an explosion
◼
►
and it was like a violent tearing
◼
►
through like that scene was perfect on
◼
►
every level except for the part where it
◼
►
breaks the whole Star Wars universe
◼
►
because because I saw it it's like wow
◼
►
that's amazing and then wait a minute
◼
►
why don't we just attach hyperdrives to
◼
►
asteroids and use this as a weapon
◼
►
maybe hyperdrives are quite expensive to
◼
►
make great well it seems like I know
◼
►
some pretty rich arms dealers like who
◼
►
might be able to make those hyperdrive
◼
►
and there are a lot of ships in the
◼
►
films that have them but seem to belong
◼
►
to pretty poor people yeah this is the
◼
►
problem is like if you want to try to
◼
►
make some economic argument that's like
◼
►
oh the resistance was able to use their
◼
►
this capital ship at the last moment
◼
►
because it's such a costly maneuver it's
◼
►
ships blow up all the time right all the
◼
►
time in this universe and like hey
◼
►
here's a great way that you can show
◼
►
that the first order is really terrible
◼
►
have them using suicide pilots driving
◼
►
hyperdrive ships as attacks I could have
◼
►
done the first Death Star that way just
◼
►
a few of their ships into the first
◼
►
Death Star would have been all over to
◼
►
be honest I didn't think of it great I
◼
►
just thought that's awesome
◼
►
it is awesome but like within five
◼
►
seconds I was like oh now stop brain
◼
►
stop brain but it's like it's too late
◼
►
it's too late my brain is and then it
◼
►
goes like okay there's another battle
◼
►
that happens later on and all I'm
◼
►
thinking of is like why don't you just
◼
►
hyperspace a ship right through the
◼
►
core of this planet you know like if
◼
►
you're gonna smash something at
◼
►
Lightspeed into a planet that planet is
◼
►
done right it is over and the rebels
◼
►
like oh we have a shield up on our base
◼
►
like well that shield hold up to a
◼
►
going at hyperspace through the planet
◼
►
like I don't think it will I don't think
◼
►
anything will hold up against this
◼
►
weapon this weapon just destroys all of
◼
►
the battles because why would you do
◼
►
anything else you know get some of your
◼
►
slave droids to drive the ships it
◼
►
didn't do that much damage to the flag
◼
►
right it didn't like it was very
◼
►
destructive but it wasn't planet
◼
►
destroying destructive like it just put
◼
►
a little cut through the dreadnought I
◼
►
think you're overstating how powerful I
◼
►
was I mean if we're supposed to take
◼
►
that seriously do you not think that a
◼
►
ship could go at light speed through the
◼
►
rebel base on the salt planet yeah yeah
◼
►
oh yeah you could take out the rebel
◼
►
base I'm just saying you couldn't
◼
►
destroy like a whole planet but this
◼
►
what I mean like why aren't you bombing
◼
►
with ships at Lightspeed right this is
◼
►
what I'm saying like if we're to take
◼
►
that seriously that in this universe you
◼
►
can do this yeah like why didn't they do
◼
►
that on Hoth yeah exactly yeah and why
◼
►
don't they do that unhappy
◼
►
minute later and again it's like I
◼
►
presume that the first order has a lot
◼
►
of ships to spare if this is really
◼
►
important or it's not I don't know I
◼
►
can't figure out the scale of these
◼
►
things so again highlight of the movie
◼
►
totally loved it as an individual scene
◼
►
breaks every naval battle in the entire
◼
►
this feels also like around the time
◼
►
that the film should have been drawing
◼
►
to an end yeah yeah and then we go to
◼
►
Hoth - we go to hearth - and we start
◼
►
what I think of as the Return of the
◼
►
King phase of the movie yeah where I
◼
►
keep thinking it's going to cut to black
◼
►
multiple times and the movie really
◼
►
suffers from starting to drag likes when
◼
►
they start spinning up the extra battle
◼
►
like you should never be looking at your
◼
►
watch when a battle starts and you think
◼
►
like really are we're really gonna do a
◼
►
whole other battle right now I thought
◼
►
like I'd already been to the toilet once
◼
►
and I was thinking I'm gonna have to go
◼
►
I had way too much stuff drink this part
◼
►
was it was too much it was too much and
◼
►
so obviously like the red sole under the
◼
►
white surface did look pretty cool yeah
◼
►
but what was the point of those mono ski
◼
►
besides kicking up cool redness I don't
◼
►
see the sciency reason for them did I
◼
►
miss something you didn't miss anything
◼
►
there's something in my head it's been
◼
►
bothered I cannot remember what it is
◼
►
someone will put it in the comments but
◼
►
I know that there is some kind of like
◼
►
in my head I have this image of a thing
◼
►
that like sails on the surface and you
◼
►
do use something like this in water to
◼
►
stabilize a craft that moves along the
◼
►
surface and I see that's what they are
◼
►
going for but this whole battle struck
◼
►
me as someone had what admittedly is an
◼
►
awesomely cool idea for the visual
◼
►
what's a cool visual we can add to a
◼
►
battle to make it different and the
◼
►
planet that has red crystals underneath
◼
►
an ice on top super cool visual love it
◼
►
what I don't love is now we have to
◼
►
engineer a way that everybody is kicking
◼
►
up the salt all the time yeah and the
◼
►
way we're gonna do that is we're going
◼
►
to give them space ships but the space
◼
►
ships can't actually fly they can only
◼
►
hover above the ground and hover above
◼
►
the ground they need to have this
◼
►
stabilizing fin that is scraping the
◼
►
salts yeah and this also as the problem
◼
►
to me that get resistance is
◼
►
ridiculously outgunned here and they are
◼
►
also confined to a 2d plane with 13
◼
►
ships like you guys should get wrecked
◼
►
immediately in this fight but they're
◼
►
able to able to hold on and it's just
◼
►
the movie contorting itself to fit the
◼
►
visual idea on somebody's storyboard
◼
►
that's what's happening there
◼
►
yeah there's a lot of plot holes here it
◼
►
was too much like the Hoth battle it was
◼
►
I don't mind Cole Beck's but this was
◼
►
bordering on just being unoriginal
◼
►
there's a lot of dumb stuff that happens
◼
►
here is like crystal creature like
◼
►
there's so is so much but it's like I
◼
►
just got a call out what to me is my
◼
►
favorite thing in the whole movie which
◼
►
Finn decides he's gonna do a suicide run
◼
►
into this cannon that they're going to
◼
►
use to crack open the base no no now
◼
►
you're doing it it was Poe wasn't it no
◼
►
his fence I was it now what's Finn
◼
►
what's Ben I know you're right oh god
◼
►
man no I've got a serious puff in bubble
◼
►
tea I'm sorry man I've got poof in
◼
►
dyslexia but it's fair enough it's hard
◼
►
to keep them straight like whatever it's
◼
►
just like you know guys do in
◼
►
adventurous things I don't know go on
◼
►
but so Finn is doing this suicide run
◼
►
into the Canon that is going to crack
◼
►
open the resistance base and is I okay
◼
►
well at this point in the movie it is
◼
►
theoretically going to be the third
◼
►
resistance suicide bomber in his film
◼
►
it's like okay whatever I actually think
◼
►
it's like okay this is not an
◼
►
unreasonable character arc for him if
◼
►
you're thinking about how is this
◼
►
character in this sequence of movies but
◼
►
so he's he's flying he's flying he's
◼
►
flying and then at the last minute Rose
◼
►
flies in from like unspecified
◼
►
impossible angle and knocks him off yeah
◼
►
of the beam and like they crashed to the
◼
►
side and he rightly yells at her like
◼
►
what are you doing and I swear to God
◼
►
Brady I recorded it in the movie theater
◼
►
the second time around because I was
◼
►
like I have to make sure I remembered
◼
►
this correctly because the scene is so
◼
►
ridiculous she goes I saved you dummy
◼
►
right like are you fool like bopping him
◼
►
on the nose in a playful way in this in
◼
►
this moment and she's like this is how
◼
►
we're going to win by saving the people
◼
►
that we love not sacrificing ourselves
◼
►
are the things that we hate and in what
◼
►
I think might be one of the most
◼
►
ridiculous things I have ever seen in
◼
►
cinematic history they are about to kiss
◼
►
and you see the laser beam in the
◼
►
background crack I hope in the repple
◼
►
base right entirely presumably because
◼
►
of her doing this dumb thing to save a
◼
►
boy that in this moment you find out she
◼
►
likes because she leans over and kisses
◼
►
him like as the base is exploding in the
◼
►
background the first time I saw it Brady
◼
►
I swear to God I have never come closer
◼
►
to just totally losing my movie theater
◼
►
oh so that the delay makes you think
◼
►
Finn's run would have been successful
◼
►
happened long enough afterwards yeah I
◼
►
think that the movie very strongly
◼
►
implies that the run would have been
◼
►
successful that he would prevent this
◼
►
it's like Forrest Gump saving lieutenant
◼
►
dad when lieutenant dad wanted to die on
◼
►
the battlefield this move by this
◼
►
character is maybe the dumbest thing
◼
►
I've ever seen a character do in a movie
◼
►
and it's also an incredible moment to
◼
►
reveal that like she has a crush on a
◼
►
guy that is let's be frank ridiculously
◼
►
out of her league and she's gonna kiss
◼
►
him now as the rebel base is cracked
◼
►
open like a goddamn egg in the
◼
►
background and everybody is going to die
◼
►
I was like I was so close to just losing
◼
►
it in the theater like I was like do not
◼
►
laugh out loud in an uproarious way at
◼
►
this moment like there are other people
◼
►
in the theater the first time around but
◼
►
like don't do this don't be that guy and
◼
►
I was barely able to like crush that
◼
►
laughter down inside of me because it
◼
►
was so absurd it was so absurd
◼
►
I hate rose I hate her so much I'm
◼
►
getting that impression her character is
◼
►
just so stupid at every turn and I think
◼
►
the actress was not a good actress which
◼
►
certainly didn't help but it's like I
◼
►
couldn't stand her and that was this
◼
►
amazing crowning glory for her as a
◼
►
character like and of course because
◼
►
it's a movie like things work out I
◼
►
guess but she has no reason to think
◼
►
this is going to work out like yeah it's
◼
►
terrible it's so bad you just don't
◼
►
understand love gray yeah it's true I
◼
►
don't understand love and from the look
◼
►
on Finn's face he doesn't understand
◼
►
love because he seems pretty surprised
◼
►
about what has just occurred there so
◼
►
yeah it's awful it's maybe one of the
◼
►
worst things I've ever seen in a movie
◼
►
Wow so Luke Skywalker comes to town he
◼
►
turns out it's force projection Scott
◼
►
was doing astral projection is what he's
◼
►
doing yeah which is a new Jedi skill new
◼
►
skill which would have been a real
◼
►
game-changer on numerous occasions like
◼
►
like speeding through ships astral
◼
►
projection by Jedi's game-changer in
◼
►
many scenarios why did I ever put
◼
►
themself in risky situations at all if
◼
►
do it from afar I don't understand why
◼
►
don't they send force ghosts who can
◼
►
bring down lightning bolts from the sky
◼
►
to resolve situations I don't know let's
◼
►
show you why does it yo to just turn up
◼
►
and bring down lightning bolts on those
◼
►
88 es yeah I don't know the thing that I
◼
►
found doubly confusing about that is
◼
►
it's so similar to the established force
◼
►
ghosts thing anyway like I was kind of
◼
►
assuming that Luke was a force ghost in
◼
►
this moment yeah and I thought it would
◼
►
be much more poignant I realized that he
◼
►
is already dead as opposed to dying
◼
►
after exerting himself demonstrating a
◼
►
skill that you never even had any idea
◼
►
it was possible before yeah I found it a
◼
►
weird choice because like this skill is
◼
►
so similar to an existing skill in this
◼
►
universe I don't know why you need to do
◼
►
this like why don't you just make up
◼
►
that like he's such a good force ghost
◼
►
he doesn't have to have the blue glowy
◼
►
bit around him has Kylie run even ever
◼
►
met a force ghost like does he know that
◼
►
force ghosts exist if he doesn't then
◼
►
then Luke can just be a bluey person and
◼
►
feel like I'm so powerful you don't have
◼
►
any idea what's going on kylo Ren may be
◼
►
forced ghosts can't hold things but
◼
►
astral projection I think it's called
◼
►
force projection can yeah one way or
◼
►
another Luke Skywalker dies as a result
◼
►
of this so this is a big deal killing
◼
►
Luke Skywalker like that's as big as it
◼
►
so the things that I think about that is
◼
►
did he just die from exhaustion that's
◼
►
the feeling I get is it was like such an
◼
►
incredible effort he had an aneurysm
◼
►
that's sort of my thought on it I wish
◼
►
he wasn't floating like a Buddha when he
◼
►
did it that was a bit of a leaking of
◼
►
galaxies again but yeah why do they have
◼
►
to be floating when he did it wouldn't
◼
►
that use even more energy couldn't used
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to be sitting in a chair yeah anyway I
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don't know maybe there's a reason you
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have to float with your legs crossed
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when you force projecting I do think
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it's a shame that of all the things he
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could give his life for it was like to
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buy a few minutes for a ragtag group of
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rebels yeah it wasn't like he did
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something amazing that save the galaxy
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was just like a momentary distraction
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yeah so it seemed a bit bit trivial they
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could have had plenty of time if someone
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had kamikaze it into that cannon yeah
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they wouldn't be short on minutes if
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that was the case but you know oh well
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also when Luke appeared in the base and
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said hi to Leia did Lian know that that
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was a projection or was her like
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reunited moment with her brother like a
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big fraud that she didn't even know was
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going on I felt really bad for her when
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Hans dice disappeared he's like Luke
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gives her astral projection dice that he
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knows they're going to desert here when
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I dice I didn't think about that is that
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like a cruel joke or does she supposed
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to know I read it that c-3po did know
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his Luke gives him like a cheeky wink I
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don't know if that was intended or not
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but that was kind of my reading is that
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if anyone should know like the droids
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should know it's not Luke I thought it
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was more hey gang odd buddy good to see
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again but you're right he would have
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realized he didn't have like a heartbeat
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and all those life readings and yeah
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yeah it's a weird decision and I agree
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with you that Luke's sacrifice here is
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what once again for really small stakes
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yeah it's for a couple of minutes of
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time so that yeah a dozen people who are
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the entire remainder of the resistance
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can get away it wasn't big enough to
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cost Luke Skywalker his laughs it seemed
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trivial I didn't even think about it
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►
until you mentioned it but I really
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realize now that I had zero emotional
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impact from the death of Luke Skywalker
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yeah and it was so absent it didn't even
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register in my brain that I had no
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resonance in this moment it was just
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like oh I guess Luke's dead now okay I'm
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gonna move right along those dice I
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realize there are a few stills from the
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original film where there are dice
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mm-hmm people don't need to like tell me
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that about the dice but whatever you
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tell me about the dice they have never
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been part of the style was feel more
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important or associated with Han Solo in
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►
any way so to then make them this like
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really special thing that would like
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move Luke to see them and then would
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move layer well I wasn't moved and I
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►
know all these characters as well so the
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►
dice was silly and making them dice as
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well which is you know fluffy dice on a
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rear view mirror like so again leakage
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►
yeah it's it's total leakage how'd you
◼
►
think of it where they ended up going
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►
for their Return of the King endings
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►
they they couldn't bear to end the film
◼
►
and then they gave us this boy whipping
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►
up into space and okay
◼
►
boy looking up into space this connects
◼
►
back to me in a thing that I feel like
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►
oh god please don't let this happen is
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►
one of my little underlying problems
◼
►
with the whole movie and a bit of this
◼
►
like leakage hmm I feel like the movie
◼
►
was really trying to push this idea of
◼
►
like regular people are resisting this
◼
►
first order of Nazis and it's like all
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we just know are on this one side and
◼
►
like this new Anakin boy who pops up in
◼
►
three scenes and then at the end of the
◼
►
movie he felt like the personification
◼
►
of this thing hmm but I like there's
◼
►
something about this that just really
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►
rubs me the wrong way and I feel like I
◼
►
am really worried that what they're
◼
►
setting up for is it in the end of the
◼
►
next movie this idea that it's like the
◼
►
resistance is all of us all right like
◼
►
we only have 13 actual people left in
◼
►
the real like resistance so like how do
◼
►
they solve this problem they have to
◼
►
solve this problem with some kind of
◼
►
like massive uprising there's just
◼
►
something about like we have secret
◼
►
rings with the rebel logo on it that
◼
►
just don't like and like she's showing a
◼
►
secret ring and the little boy knows
◼
►
like oh yes of course
◼
►
I'm only eight but I know which side I'm
◼
►
supposed to be on in this little slave
◼
►
there's also lines that just like
◼
►
talking about allies to the resistance
◼
►
oh these people on the outer rim they
◼
►
keep referring to yeah there's all these
◼
►
people on the outer rim who are like
◼
►
allies to the resistance
◼
►
oh yeah and when when Laura Dern shows
◼
►
up who again I just say it is
◼
►
unfortunate that she's like she's so
◼
►
well known and her outfit made her look
◼
►
like she fell out of the Hunger Games
◼
►
and into this movie yeah she's always
◼
►
looked really out of place like I just
◼
►
don't believe you here but then she she
◼
►
starts off again with this idea that
◼
►
like the resistance is now this thing
◼
►
that is here for she says quote like the
◼
►
downtrodden and oppressed across the
◼
►
galaxy and it's just like I don't like
◼
►
this it feels like you're trying to have
◼
►
this weird political thing that you keep
◼
►
referencing and I don't want to draw
◼
►
parallels between Star Wars Galaxies and
◼
►
our world exactly like that is
◼
►
there was even like a throwaway line
◼
►
where when they have like Maz show up on
◼
►
the Skype call to tell them to go find
◼
►
the codebreaker dude and like Maz what
◼
►
are you doing and she's like I'm
◼
►
involved in a union dispute right now
◼
►
you don't want to know the details and
◼
►
I'm like it's like a fing course she is
◼
►
right of course she's there fighting for
◼
►
union rights like wherever the hell she
◼
►
is I'm trying to stop voter suppression
◼
►
here on Tatooine honest to god it might
◼
►
as well be that any one of these things
◼
►
doesn't matter but when you like keep
◼
►
hitting it I was like oh who's the real
◼
►
bad guys in this universe is like all
◼
►
these are rich people are the real bad
◼
►
guys who are the great people on our
◼
►
side the downtrodden and oppressed like
◼
►
we need to stop gerrymandering on Endor
◼
►
it totally wouldn't have felt out of
◼
►
place if there was a moment about like
◼
►
oh these people don't have voting rights
◼
►
it just pushes you out of it and I feel
◼
►
like it's setting up this idea that like
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►
oh the resistance is all of us like
◼
►
we're all going to be the resistance I
◼
►
did notice that they they pulled a
◼
►
little trick at the end of the movie
◼
►
which I thought like it was was my tiny
◼
►
spark of hope that allowed them to pull
◼
►
a linguistic change where they said like
◼
►
oh the rebellion is born today it's like
◼
►
okay great we can get away from this
◼
►
like calling it the resistance thing
◼
►
you're clearly in the next movie just
◼
►
gonna call them rebels again good that's
◼
►
great because it's it's it's
◼
►
uncomfortable but cuz I wanted to get
◼
►
rebel scum in didn't I used rebel scum
◼
►
yeah John they used rebel scum so much
◼
►
that I never want to use it again as a
◼
►
joke because it's like oh now that
◼
►
you've owned it where he's like oh I
◼
►
rebel scum like I never want to make
◼
►
that joke again thanks movie I just feel
◼
►
like the slave children were like a
◼
►
focal point of this idea that we're now
◼
►
like all the downtrodden and oppressed
◼
►
in the universe are on our side even
◼
►
though we're only you know 13 terrorists
◼
►
like that's what's going to happen here
◼
►
like I don't like it I don't like it at
◼
►
all and the fact that it's like a
◼
►
vaguely new Anakin kid doesn't make me
◼
►
feel any better about it did you find
◼
►
distracting or entering your thoughts a
◼
►
lot watching the film knowing that
◼
►
Carrie Fisher had died and how they were
◼
►
going to do with this I thought about it
◼
►
a little bit only because I think that
◼
►
the movie should have killed Carrie
◼
►
Fisher in the beginning when she gets
◼
►
blown out of the bridge
◼
►
well that's why I assumed it happened
◼
►
yeah I don't know what they're planning
◼
►
on doing that but it felt like boy he
◼
►
really missed an opportunity to have an
◼
►
amazing impactful sudden death for a
◼
►
main character that we've known and
◼
►
loved for many years she didn't
◼
►
contribute much after that point she
◼
►
wasn't necessary after that point no
◼
►
except maybe she'd already filmed all
◼
►
the Saints and you couldn't get her out
◼
►
I think that's what it is like they'd
◼
►
already filled a bunch of scenes so they
◼
►
wanted to keep her in also if you killed
◼
►
Leia straight away that provides a
◼
►
pretty good reason to hate the first
◼
►
order and her like Mary Poppins in her
◼
►
way back onto the bridge was really
◼
►
uncomfortable but yet she doesn't really
◼
►
do anything later in the movie I have no
◼
►
idea what they're going to do in the
◼
►
next part like I was aware of it but I
◼
►
wouldn't say I was distracted by it like
◼
►
were you I was always waiting cuz I
◼
►
thought they'd kill her off so I was
◼
►
always waiting for it to happen and then
◼
►
it happened early and I thought okay
◼
►
yeah okay and then she like comes back
◼
►
to life I was like oh okay she's still
◼
►
in the film now but I think the way it
◼
►
works with reboots is you have a one
◼
►
main character death quota per movie
◼
►
yeah so we got rid of Han this one gets
◼
►
rid of Luke in exchange for two minutes
◼
►
of time so the next one has to be Leia
◼
►
right that's you have a spread it out I
◼
►
think that's the way it works okay any
◼
►
other key notes or things you want to
◼
►
talk about no I feel like I hit my main
◼
►
ones casino land is terrible and I don't
◼
►
like the real-world leaking in to my
◼
►
Star Wars in language and weird
◼
►
political references so great last year
◼
►
when we did rogue one which you didn't
◼
►
like and I kind of did like but I feel
◼
►
like I didn't do it justice in the
◼
►
podcast right and I sort of got dragged
◼
►
along with you a bit and started kicking
◼
►
it while it was down I've only seen it
◼
►
twice but I feel more and more positive
◼
►
about rogue one as time goes by and
◼
►
after watching this film it made me feel
◼
►
even more positive about rogue one like
◼
►
I want more films like rogue one and
◼
►
less films like this one that I saw
◼
►
today right because rogue one it doesn't
◼
►
mess with the Canon so much but still
◼
►
feels related and part of the Star Wars
◼
►
grown up like it still felt like a grown
◼
►
up film like it wasn't so sanitized and
◼
►
this film didn't feel as like as much of
◼
►
a film for grown-ups and I know style
◼
►
was films of a families and they're not
◼
►
just made for me but I like films that
◼
►
are made for me right of course and
◼
►
rogue one felt made for me and like if I
◼
►
was going to go and put a Star Wars film
◼
►
on right now downstairs
◼
►
I put rogue one on hmmm let me ask you
◼
►
this because I know you don't like road
◼
►
one right right and it sounds like you
◼
►
didn't like this one very much how would
◼
►
you compare this one the last Jedi and
◼
►
rogue one which was better of the two
◼
►
well I know I've just been complaining
◼
►
for two hours about this movie but I
◼
►
think it's important what I'm about to
◼
►
say I feel like this is this is the last
◼
►
time I've watched a Star Wars movie in
◼
►
the sense that I feel like something has
◼
►
now broken in my brain where I'm not
◼
►
watching Star Wars movies like I'm
◼
►
watching movies that are set in the Star
◼
►
Wars universe yeah and now I'm gonna
◼
►
have just as much expectation of
◼
►
enjoyment as I do it when I'm watching a
◼
►
Marvel movie where it's like I've
◼
►
watched all the Marvel movies and like
◼
►
they're fine some of them are better
◼
►
than others but none of them are great
◼
►
movies but all of them are products to
◼
►
print a million dollars or actually I
◼
►
should say quite literally a billion
◼
►
dollars and like when I watch like I
◼
►
watch a bad Marvel movie like age of
◼
►
Ultron is like I just feel like okay
◼
►
well that was that was a really bad one
◼
►
that wasn't good but there's gonna be a
◼
►
million of these and I think this is now
◼
►
the way I feel about the stark like my
◼
►
expectations while watching the movie
◼
►
got lowered because I feel like this
◼
►
movie veered into weird parody of itself
◼
►
hmm but I now have just like no
◼
►
expectations or anticipation of any of
◼
►
these movies in the future so I feel
◼
►
like this is the last time I will have
◼
►
walked into a theater feeling like I'm
◼
►
gonna watch Star Wars movie and that's
◼
►
just over now I mean now that's much
◼
►
easier as well now that Luke and Han are
◼
►
both gone yeah Luke and Han are both
◼
►
gone but it's also just the world like
◼
►
is different so I enjoyed this movie
◼
►
more more than rogue one but I enjoyed
◼
►
it in the sense of now it's just like
◼
►
any giant Cinematic Universe movie it's
◼
►
just like a movie oh do you want to go
◼
►
see the latest Star Wars flick like yeah
◼
►
I guess whatever like oh do you want to
◼
►
see the new Marvel movie like yeah sure
◼
►
okay you know it's a machine that turns
◼
►
out things that are sometimes
◼
►
interesting or sometimes not and
◼
►
similarly with the Marvel movies I feel
◼
►
like the plot contrivance a--'s and
◼
►
weirdness of the structure of those
◼
►
movies it's like this is just what these
◼
►
things are like there's beats that a
◼
►
studio wants to hit for particular
◼
►
movies and you need tie-ins to keep
◼
►
franchises going it's like okay this is
◼
►
all just part of this machine and I'll
◼
►
watch movies in the future but I don't
◼
►
think I'm ever gonna be like wow like
◼
►
you know I'm gonna go see a Star Wars
◼
►
movie and it's great so I personally
◼
►
dislike rogue one a lot more but I
◼
►
enjoyed this one more but for the wrong
◼
►
reasons so that's the way I feel about
◼
►
it can you imagine the time coming where
◼
►
you don't go and say a stylist movie I
◼
►
mean yeah simply because I imagine
◼
►
there's going to be a lot of them I
◼
►
don't feel the need to see all of the
◼
►
movies we also have the weird problem
◼
►
that we are now getting stuck in some
◼
►
kind of Christmas tradition which is
◼
►
complain about the Star Wars for two
◼
►
hours on Christmas morning Merry
◼
►
listen to two grumpy nerds like complain
◼
►
about the thing to end this episode then
◼
►
can you think of anything positive about
◼
►
this film the last Jedi lie is there
◼
►
anything about it end with something
◼
►
positive oh yeah there were things I
◼
►
liked I liked the force conversations
◼
►
between kylo and Rey I thought that was
◼
►
a really nice nicely done thing that
◼
►
felt like this is a believable force
◼
►
addition the two of them talking I
◼
►
thought that was great Rey is good again
◼
►
know as good know as good but she got
◼
►
there she was not as good because she
◼
►
didn't have as much to do I think Finn
◼
►
became a better actor between the last
◼
►
time I saw him and this time because he
◼
►
was a little cringe-worthy for me in the
◼
►
first one but I think he he was fine on
◼
►
yeah but I gotta say like the best thing
◼
►
about the movie by far was kylo Ren I
◼
►
really like this portrayal of this like
◼
►
angsty Sith guy and I think it's a
◼
►
character that is so easy to do wrong
◼
►
but that actor they have playing kylo
◼
►
Ren I just think he nails it like I find
◼
►
him really believable as this mm-hmm
◼
►
angsty upsets uncertain but like rolly
◼
►
powerful villain every scene he was in I
◼
►
was like this is great I could have a
◼
►
whole movie of just this guy I think
◼
►
kind of like Rey carried the first movie
◼
►
I think kylo Ren totally carried this
◼
►
movie so he was my favorite thing I
◼
►
think you're right I think you're right
◼
►
one night I made partway through the
◼
►
film was that usually when you're saying
◼
►
when you're watching anything there are
◼
►
story lines you can't wait to get back
◼
►
to or ones that you don't like as much
◼
►
mm-hmm there was a part in the middle of
◼
►
this film where no matter what story
◼
►
they cut to I was this one like there
◼
►
was nothing there was nothing I wanted
◼
►
them to cut so there was no story going
◼
►
on at the moment I was thinking I want
◼
►
more of that I liked all the jokes I
◼
►
didn't like the joking around
◼
►
I liked that after a mutiny occurs they
◼
►
cut to a Spaceballs joke where an iron
◼
►
comes down and they pretended to ship
◼
►
for a couple of seconds before they
◼
►
reveal that it's an iron I wrote that
◼
►
that was another classic like I was
◼
►
thinking a goth it looks like an iron
◼
►
and then they played they played on that
◼
►
and then when they did it I was like I
◼
►
wish you hadn't done that
◼
►
yeah I wish you hadn't done that after a
◼
►
mutiny yeah we should end this podcast
◼
►
by both saying may the force be with you
◼
►
at the same time and then like giggle
◼
►
and say jinx I'm gonna end just looking
◼
►
up at the night sky holding a broom