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◼   ► it would actually be useful but I think

◼   ► there's a non-trivial number of people

◼   ► who just couldn't even get their life

◼   ► together enough to be able to go to that

◼   ► evening class like we're just showing up

◼   ► to a thing on time is a skill that those

◼   ► people don't have and like maybe if you

◼   ► can't like be somewhere on time you

◼   ► shouldn't have a kid it's a bit like I

◼   ► spoken to a few people who've done the

◼   ► test for the TSA pre-approved check

◼   ► thing in the United States yeah and

◼   ► everybody's response is exactly the same

◼   ► where they talk about oh this thing is

◼   ► ridiculous because all you have to do is

◼   ► like get to the airport and you have to

◼   ► wait in a place you fill out a little

◼   ► form like you talk to a guy and then

◼   ► they just approve you when you go home

◼   ► and I had the same response to everyone

◼   ► these people like no you don't

◼   ► understand that is the test like getting

◼   ► to the airport being able to follow the

◼   ► instructions not flipping out when a guy

◼   ► asks you a couple of personal questions

◼   ► like that's the test I feel like this is

◼   ► very much the former teacher and really

◼   ► like you don't understand how many

◼   ► people can't follow instructions longer

◼   ► if the instructions are the test so

◼   ► there's something about that that feels

◼   ► like just set like the lowest possible

◼   ► bar for having kids like I feel like I

◼   ► couldn't be opposed to like you just

◼   ► need to go somewhere to get a stamp the

◼   ► people are having kids have accomplished

◼   ► one thing yeah they have accomplished

◼   ► one thing I mean yeah you can't open a

◼   ► bank account without giving them your

◼   ► entire genome an entire internet search

◼   ► history and yet you can create a human

◼   ► being and rear it and bring it up

◼   ► without yeah telling anyone anything

◼   ► sometimes I feel really anxious when I

◼   ► look at babies because just today

◼   ► actually I was just walking down the

◼   ► street and there was is a woman who had

◼   ► like swaddled a little baby and she had

◼   ► him on a back swaddle like instead of on

◼   ► the front he was just on the back you

◼   ► know like along for the ride and you

◼   ► know shopping day yeah whenever I look

◼   ► at this babies I always just feel like

◼   ► you poor thing you have no control over

◼   ► anything

◼   ► you're just here that you are totally at

◼   ► the mercy of the external world like you

◼   ► can do nothing to help yourself it's

◼   ► that feeling that just makes me feel

◼   ► like it's

◼   ► see someone can just bring a life into

◼   ► the world and we have just zero checks

◼   ► on this and this new little person could

◼   ► not be more vulnerable like a puppy is

◼   ► less vulnerable than a human baby human

◼   ► babies can do nothing if their socks are

◼   ► making their feet uncomfortable it's

◼   ► like well that baby just has to deal

◼   ► with it it makes me anxious looking at

◼   ► babies so I feel very sorry for them and

◼   ► I feel like I want more protections for

◼   ► babies more protections for babies I can

◼   ► be a New Year's resolution boy that last

◼   ► question sure was something in my

◼   ► experience nothing gets people riled up

◼   ► more than the systems of politics and

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◼   ► you think you do know how to make a

◼   ► system work that would have answered

◼   ► that last question well if you have

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◼   ► we go if McDonald's spent billions of

◼   ► dollars rescuing the targa from

◼   ► extinction should they be allowed to

◼   ► then sell a mock tiger burger so there

◼   ► are lots of Tigers in the scenario yeah

◼   ► they've basically made Tigers like cows

◼   ► well I have a lot of problems with the

◼   ► meat industrial complex mm-hmm I feel

◼   ► like factory farming is really

◼   ► indefensible but more more Tigers is

◼   ► better than oh god I don't know like I

◼   ► don't have a problem in theory with

◼   ► Tiger burgers it's a hard one to debate

◼   ► it's not like I think if one of my

◼   ► videos had Tiger burgers as an example

◼   ► of something I feel like I've used this

◼   ► before so I don't know whatever anyway I

◼   ► feel like the the problem in my head is

◼   ► not the problem that this question is

◼   ► asking about right the problem I'm

◼   ► having is do we want to introduce

◼   ► another species to factory farming life

◼   ► because presumably like when you're at

◼   ► McDonald's scale this is the problem you

◼   ► come up against I would have concerns

◼   ► about having that many Tigers on it

◼   ► skyping from some farm in Devon it's

◼   ► like a like a Jurassic Park situation

◼   ► mcdonoughs got so caught up wondering if

◼   ► they could do it they didn't think if

◼   ► they should do okay you know thinking it

◼   ► through no I'm coming down now and I'm

◼   ► coming down very solidly on now

◼   ► because you're saving Tigers from

◼   ► extinction but you're just creating a

◼   ► whole bunch of Tigers that presumably

◼   ► are living miserable lives that seems

◼   ► like not an improvement in any way what

◼   ► if they didn't factory farm the Tigers

◼   ► it was just like a boutique specialty

◼   ► burger you could have that they caught

◼   ► from the wild occasionally right so

◼   ► we've we have free-range Tigers that are

◼   ► living here every Reg target suing

◼   ► seigneurs if they're free-range Tigers

◼   ► then I'm okay with it they're they're

◼   ► living like a managed Tiger lifestyle we

◼   ► don't have a farm in Devon packed full

◼   ► of Tigers that we're afraid of the doors

◼   ► are gonna burst any day so you like the

◼   ► question there is like are the Tigers

◼   ► living a happy life before from their

◼   ► perspective the lights just go out and

◼   ► they never even know I love the idea of

◼   ► a tiger lifestyle I want to live a tiger

◼   ► lifestyle now hey Brady you're living

◼   ► the tiger lifestyle you said it brother

◼   ► I think this thing get really

◼   ► complicated though because the question

◼   ► is like how happy are the Tigers like

◼   ► what are the Tigers eating basically are

◼   ► we introducing more sorrow into the

◼   ► world because of all of the rabbits that

◼   ► the Tigers are chasing down to eat I

◼   ► feel like I want to be feeding the

◼   ► Tigers synthetic lab-grown meat and then

◼   ► killing the Tigers for Tiger burgers and

◼   ► the Tigers get to live a full and happy

◼   ► life that's like okay I'm perfectly fine

◼   ► with that but I think the question is

◼   ► posed I would say no that McDonald's

◼   ► saving a species from extinction and

◼   ► then cultivating that species at the

◼   ► scale McDonald's would require would not

◼   ► be a trade-off worth making

◼   ► if you ain't tiger made from a target

◼   ► that only ever in its entire life eight

◼   ► since said it mate are you meeting me

◼   ► yeah of course what do you mean it's

◼   ► like if you eat a cow who's only eaten

◼   ► grass its whole life you're eating meat

◼   ► the cow is the machine that turns grass

◼   ► and cattle yeah and now I do get that

◼   ► and I didn't think that but I just

◼   ► wondered if there was something more

◼   ► ethical about aiding an animal with only

◼   ► ever a synthetic stuff probably not

◼   ► actually no I think yeah if the

◼   ► comparison is is the tiger eating live

◼   ► animals versus synthetic meats I think

◼   ► eating a tiger that has eaten only

◼   ► synthetic meat is clearly more ethical

◼   ► would you rather be a dead celebrity or

◼   ► a living criminal am i a cat

◼   ► criminal am I in jail does it change

◼   ► your answer yeah it does change my

◼   ► answer I really think that living in

◼   ► jail is pretty terrible but there's a

◼   ► chance of escape or release whereas if

◼   ► you're dead celebrity made yeah done do

◼   ► my friend like am I in death row am I in

◼   ► some kind of Shawshank Prison almanach

◼   ► shank pretty terrible situation I might

◼   ► prefer to be a dead celebrity it depends

◼   ► it is an example like a white-collar

◼   ► criminal who's probably destroyed the

◼   ► lives of millions of people but it's in

◼   ► a relatively cushy prison like well then

◼   ► I'd rather pick a dead celebrity

◼   ► but if I'm a criminal who's in Shawshank

◼   ► then then no I think I'd rather be the

◼   ► dead celebrity there's no way Brady

◼   ► you're not gonna pick the dead celebrity

◼   ► yeah I think you're probably wrong yeah

◼   ► that's that's right I know I know her

◼   ► Brady do you choose your personality no

◼   ► that doesn't even make any sense to talk

◼   ► about that I think you can shape your

◼   ► personality especially if someone has

◼   ► like a disciplined mind like you like

◼   ► you can control and cultivate aspects of

◼   ► you and over time train yourself to oh

◼   ► yeah I totally agree with that this is

◼   ► where I am I am a man who believes in

◼   ► two things the possibility of

◼   ► self-improvement and puppies and the

◼   ► impossibility of free will I don't think

◼   ► that those two things are in

◼   ► contradiction like I've talked about it

◼   ► before I think that there's a real

◼   ► moment in my life that I feel like I

◼   ► chose to have a different personality

◼   ► and that was crossing the threshold of

◼   ► leaving high school and entering college

◼   ► and that was a very deliberate moment in

◼   ► my life where I made a change it was

◼   ► much for the better

◼   ► hmm but I still think that when you dig

◼   ► into that I still run up against this

◼   ► free will problem of well I was the kind

◼   ► of person who was able to do that and in

◼   ► a position where I would decide that

◼   ► that was the thing to do and so that is

◼   ► what I did I don't think I chose to be

◼   ► the sort of person who could decide and

◼   ► successfully execute that change and I

◼   ► don't think you have any choice in your

◼   ► personality so only people with a

◼   ► certain personality can choose their

◼   ► personality only people with a certain

◼   ► personality will be

◼   ► able to change their personality but

◼   ► they're not even in a position

◼   ► necessarily to direct that change in the

◼   ► way that I think the question is asking

◼   ► could ask you one quick question I don't

◼   ► want to dig up and go over that time out

◼   ► of high school when you're at a

◼   ► crossroads and you feel like you made

◼   ► important decisions mmm you know maybe

◼   ► we could do it another time

◼   ► but pretend you didn't make the big

◼   ► decisions you made like say you chose

◼   ► the path a instead of path B yeah I just

◼   ► continued as I was yeah what job do you

◼   ► think you'd be doing today that's a good

◼   ► question I'm willing to bet that the job

◼   ► I would be doing today is I would be a

◼   ► physics teacher in high school the

◼   ► difference between me eventually leaving

◼   ► that career and becoming self-employed

◼   ► and staying in that career can point

◼   ► very very directly towards the decisions

◼   ► of changing myself between high school

◼   ► and college so both paths took you to be

◼   ► a physics teacher but just different

◼   ► kinds of physics teachers one that could

◼   ► escape and one that couldn't yeah if I'm

◼   ► trying to like game theory out what is

◼   ► the most likely thing that the like the

◼   ► high school version of me would have

◼   ► done I can't think of a more probable

◼   ► path than that one the only other career

◼   ► that was even remotely on the horizon as

◼   ► a possibility was like being an airline

◼   ► pilot and I just don't think I would

◼   ► have been dedicated enough to be able to

◼   ► do that so I think I would have ended up

◼   ► as a teacher as well you didn't feel the

◼   ► need the need for space

◼   ► let me tell you my thoughts about being

◼   ► an airline pilot

◼   ► we're not centered around the need for

◼   ► speed now this is an interesting

◼   ► question in which you're either gonna

◼   ► answer very dismissively or you're gonna

◼   ► go hmm and have a deeper thought on it

◼   ► I'm enjoying all these Brady predictions

◼   ► by the way it could one army of robots

◼   ► fighting another army of robots ever

◼   ► decide a war will the time come where a

◼   ► war is completely decided without humans

◼   ► entering battle or conflict or violence

◼   ► I think is the question okay there's two

◼   ► things here I think not in the world

◼   ► that were currently imagining I think

◼   ► you know in a war between

◼   ► nation states like a war fundamentally

◼   ► involves human loss and so when you're

◼   ► talking about a war being decided like I

◼   ► can imagine a situation where there is a

◼   ► war in quotes between two nations where

◼   ► those nations are essentially at a kind

◼   ► of technological stalemate you know

◼   ► Russia has drones but the US has

◼   ► fantastic anti drones and there's like a

◼   ► angry swarm of drones over the Pacific

◼   ► Ocean just forever right like not making

◼   ► any progress forward or backward and

◼   ► then that becomes like oh this is the

◼   ► thing in the world what's that oh that's

◼   ► the great drone war it's been going on

◼   ► for a hundred years and it never moved

◼   ► one way or the other and then that's

◼   ► just not decided it's not Universal

◼   ► paper clips but for real yeah yeah so I

◼   ► feel like in nation-state wars there

◼   ► have to be human casualties involved

◼   ► that is what forces a nation-state to

◼   ► capitulate so I feel like there are

◼   ► always going to be humans involved even

◼   ► if their only involvement is as a like a

◼   ► body count to make one side say oh we're

◼   ► surrendering now on the other side of

◼   ► that though like imagining a future

◼   ► without humans where there are just

◼   ► rival Paperclip optimizers battling with

◼   ► each other for control of the universe

◼   ► it's like oh yeah well obviously that's

◼   ► the future it's only a matter of time

◼   ► until that occurs wars between robots

◼   ► can be decided

◼   ► among those robots but if it's nation

◼   ► state wars I think humans have to be

◼   ► involved in in some way the way that was

◼   ► coming into my head and that what got me

◼   ► thinking about was all these stories and

◼   ► I don't even know if they're true

◼   ► stories or they just like legend and

◼   ► this never actually happened so you can

◼   ► tell me but you know how you hear all

◼   ► these old-fashioned stories of two

◼   ► armies like meeting on a plane and

◼   ► instead of just like beating the crap

◼   ► out of each other

◼   ► they each send their top warrior to have

◼   ► like a one-on-one fight and whoever wins

◼   ► that fight wins the battle I have never

◼   ► heard of this ever I think it must be

◼   ► like Greek legend and stuff like that

◼   ► like it was it happens in I feel like

◼   ► this happens in Royse yeah yes I never

◼   ► really happened cuz I always think

◼   ► that's such a silly thing

◼   ► because whoever loses will just go

◼   ► bugger that judge like that a war would

◼   ► kick off anyway so when I saw that robot

◼   ► quest

◼   ► that's what I was thinking I was

◼   ► imagining two nation-states saying okay

◼   ► there's a nice empty space over there

◼   ► let's go and send out two robot armies

◼   ► and whoever wins but you know wins the

◼   ► war yeah but I just don't think that

◼   ► would stick because in that losers will

◼   ► be like charge it's missing the point of

◼   ► what a war is for like a war occurs when

◼   ► you can't come to a diplomatic solution

◼   ► and agreeing that you're going to abide

◼   ► by the results of this robot boxing

◼   ► match is a diplomatic solution yeah if

◼   ► you can agree to that you can agree to

◼   ► other things you can agree where the

◼   ► border will be drawn yeah exactly so

◼   ► like this concept of what a war is is

◼   ► like I think you don't understand what

◼   ► war is like well like war means we've

◼   ► run out of options except the physical

◼   ► ones does war mean there's no longer any

◼   ► honor because what this is all about is

◼   ► a willingness to honor honor and

◼   ► agreement so war reaches a point where

◼   ► you know one can agree anything with any

◼   ► Honor I think honor is a strange word

◼   ► here I feel like it's much more just

◼   ► like you cannot trust the other party to

◼   ► abide by agreements even if they seem to

◼   ► be willing to agree they said it's gonna

◼   ► kill him instead yeah that's like that's

◼   ► what it is I think that I think that's

◼   ► what's going on there could a computer

◼   ► write a poem well yeah yeah easy like

◼   ► computers do that right now but is it a

◼   ► poem if there's not a certain intent or

◼   ► emotion behind it a poem exists in the

◼   ► mind of the reader not in the writer

◼   ► yeah it exists in the mind of the reader

◼   ► not in the writer okay

◼   ► Oh in that case they of course he

◼   ► answers yes all these questions about

◼   ► like what are we talking about here

◼   ► right it's like this I'm not sure I

◼   ► agree that apart exists in the mind of

◼   ► the reader and not the writer maybe it

◼   ► needs to exist in both but actually

◼   ► something that is a little bit more

◼   ► relevant to our careers I don't know if

◼   ► you've seen them but I've noticed a lot

◼   ► of these videos that are they're usually

◼   ► from news sites and their videos but

◼   ► their videos that just have like stock

◼   ► image in the background and then

◼   ► captions that are running through the

◼   ► basic facts about some situation in the

◼   ► news yeah they're becoming more and more

◼   ► common now yeah

◼   ► you know why they're more common it's

◼   ► because they're bought created you know

◼   ► I know a lot of people who are making

◼   ► humans who are making these things now

◼   ► the thing that hasn't occurred to me is

◼   ► that these people are being prepared to

◼   ► be put out of a job and they don't even

◼   ► realize it that is what they're just

◼   ► getting people used to the idea of these

◼   ► things and also what those people may be

◼   ► doing without realizing it is that they

◼   ► are creating part of the data set upon

◼   ► which the robots are being trained

◼   ► but like the existence of these

◼   ► human-made videos is part of the data

◼   ► set that the company owns which then

◼   ► they're feeding into like their Markov

◼   ► generator behind the scenes but it's

◼   ► really an interesting thing and when I

◼   ► when I found out that a huge number of

◼   ► these are produced by robots it's like

◼   ► oh that makes perfect sense I like it it

◼   ► makes absolute sense this is why I'm

◼   ► seeing these all over the place there's

◼   ► these ways that you can be a be testing

◼   ► them against each other to try to find

◼   ► which ones are most effective

◼   ► bla bla bla bla bla but would you say

◼   ► that the robot has made a video I think

◼   ► a robot can make a video yes but let me

◼   ► read this definition of poem I just

◼   ► found ago a poem is a piece of writing

◼   ► in which the expression of feelings and

◼   ► ideas is given intensity by particular

◼   ► attention to diction rhythm and imagery

◼   ► now I think a computer as I understand

◼   ► them now can handle the diction rhythm

◼   ► and imagery but can they have the

◼   ► expression of feelings and ideas that

◼   ► the poem is based on yeah but by that

◼   ► definition and by what we think of as

◼   ► robots today no a robot couldn't write a

◼   ► poem I'm thinking of this in terms of

◼   ► the way I think about art like what like

◼   ► what does it mean to say that the thing

◼   ► is art and that's always notoriously

◼   ► tricky and my my fallback is is mostly

◼   ► like art has to invoke some feeling from

◼   ► the viewer that's what art is so by my

◼   ► definition I feel like yeah a an

◼   ► unconscious thing can produce artwork

◼   ► which includes poems but by that

◼   ► definition of what a poem is then

◼   ► clearly we'd have to come to the other

◼   ► conclusion that no a robot can't write a

◼   ► poem because it is not attempting to

◼   ► express anything but I just don't think

◼   ► that's a good definition yeah fair

◼   ► enough it was just the first one I found

◼   ► suited my miny

◼   ► are we more alive than a tree no fair

◼   ► enough

◼   ► I think alive is a binary state you are

◼   ► or are not alive

◼   ► putting aside the very tricky definition

◼   ► of like what does it mean to be alive

◼   ► like yeah we're gonna blow right past

◼   ► that and just say that there's a thing

◼   ► that we can agree upon which is the

◼   ► concept of aliveness that is a binary

◼   ► state has not a floating point integer

◼   ► we are literally only halfway through

◼   ► the book so we're only about halfway

◼   ► through my questions but I think we'd

◼   ► better stop and we can use the second

◼   ► half of the book I'll put the second

◼   ► half of the book back behind the glass

◼   ► for a glass yet great here's one fine I

◼   ► want to mull over does your dog think

◼   ► about you when you're at work or not

◼   ► around because you and I both work from

◼   ► home if we work away from home and if

◼   ► you owned a dog right do dogs think

◼   ► about their owners when their owners are

◼   ► at work well what do you think baby part

◼   ► of me can't imagine a scenario where

◼   ► they kind of forget you exist and then

◼   ► when you turn up is the best thing ever

◼   ► that would explain why they're so

◼   ► incredibly happy when you get home

◼   ► because they had forgotten you existed

◼   ► and you just come back to life I don't

◼   ► know this comes back to what we

◼   ► discussed recently about how just how

◼   ► human dogs are certainly Lulu knows

◼   ► here's my car from miles away because

◼   ► she's always at the window when I pull

◼   ► up but you know again that could just be

◼   ► a learned response to a certain sound

◼   ► but I think they do yeah do you think if

◼   ► you could reach inside the dogs heads

◼   ► they would know that you exist when they

◼   ► don't see you there's certainly an

◼   ► anxiety for something that's missing

◼   ► mm-hmm that is sated by your

◼   ► reappearance whether or not they can

◼   ► visualize what that thing is but whether

◼   ► they just feel an anxiety or they fit

◼   ► they're feeling an anxiety that's saying

◼   ► I wish Brodie was here I just we prayed

◼   ► he was back he's he's nicely I don't

◼   ► know I think they probably do well what

◼   ► do you think for me this is very simple

◼   ► yeah I don't care what the answer is I

◼   ► choose to believe that the dogs miss you

◼   ► when you're gone

◼   ► when you're gone

◼   ► hello Internet its future gray here

◼   ► rushing to edit this episode before I

◼   ► have to go for this podcast I think you

◼   ► should pause after each of the questions

◼   ► and find the answer for yourself before

◼   ► you let Brady or I convince you of what

◼   ► is the one true answer if you're

◼   ► listening with somebody else even better

◼   ► each of you should try to convince each

◼   ► other of what the true answer is before

◼   ► hearing Brady and I talk about it anyway

◼   ► that's all I wanted to say I'm going to

◼   ► stop recording now and literally press

◼   ► the export upload publish buttons as

◼   ► fast as I can to get this episode out to

◼   ► you so have a lovely evening

◼   ► and let the show begin so for the

◼   ► longest time we have had this sort of I

◼   ► wouldn't say fear but concern in the

◼   ► back of our minds that one day we may

◼   ► come to record how the internet and just

◼   ► not have anything to say or who run out

◼   ► of topics and things like that mm-hmm

◼   ► it has never happened and it hasn't

◼   ► really happened today either I don't

◼   ► think but just in case it does happen

◼   ► I've had a break glass in case of

◼   ► emergency option sitting in a drawer by

◼   ► my side for a couple of years now this

◼   ► is a book that has it really been

◼   ► sitting there for a couple of years I

◼   ► guess it has you referenced it enough

◼   ► when we were doing our little pre-show

◼   ► chats

◼   ► I reckon has just been sitting there so

◼   ► today for a special episode we have

◼   ► decided to break the glass and use my

◼   ► emergency podcasting options just I

◼   ► don't know why I just because I'm sick

◼   ► of waiting we're gonna do it it does

◼   ► feel like a thing we'll never get to

◼   ► because every time we do good record I

◼   ► think much more so for me I have this

◼   ► deep fear of like what on earth are we

◼   ► going to talk about and so many times I

◼   ► feel like we get to the show and we

◼   ► barely get to all the topics that we

◼   ► have because we get caught up in

◼   ► something that's a total tangent right

◼   ► at the beginning so it is an unfounded

◼   ► fear every time but yes it does feel

◼   ► like we'll never get to this book

◼   ► otherwise so let's just take a look at

◼   ► this book okay this is a book I don't

◼   ► know where it came from or why I have it

◼   ► I don't think I bought it it doesn't

◼   ► look like something I would have bought

◼   ► but it's called the book of thunks of

◼   ► thunks funks so instead of thinks that

◼   ► place the IB that you thought okay

◼   ► that's by a chap named in Gilbert

◼   ► mmm-hmm I think it's bit of a toilet

◼   ► book I think it's supposed to be a

◼   ► conversation book but I see it more as a

◼   ► toilet that rarified genre hmm it's full

◼   ► of just one line questions that are

◼   ► supposed to be thought-provoking or

◼   ► conversation starters

◼   ► it also says on here to annoy your

◼   ► friends and I think a lot of these

◼   ► questions would be quite effective

◼   ► annoying your friends it sounds like a

◼   ► very Brady book then no I don't like the

◼   ► annoying aspect of it anyway really

◼   ► because I think you are the king of

◼   ► asking needling annoying questions of

◼   ► people when you're interviewing them or

◼   ► when you're talking to me on a podcast I

◼   ► feel like you would like that part the

◼   ► most know some of the men or even may

◼   ► now there are 300 questions in this book

◼   ► okay just before the show I went through

◼   ► with a marker and I've put big red

◼   ► crosses next to ones that I think hmm I

◼   ► wouldn't mind asking gray that question

◼   ► so I'm gonna go through this book I'm

◼   ► gonna go through all the questions that

◼   ► I've put crosses next to or at least I'm

◼   ► gonna go through all the ones until we

◼   ► get sick of it row and we're gonna see

◼   ► what you think about them are you gonna

◼   ► answer these questions as well breeding

◼   ► if you want me to depends what the

◼   ► question I would very much one I don't

◼   ► want to be just on the hook here I don't

◼   ► need this to be a quiz there situation

◼   ► it's not like that it's not like that I

◼   ► will answer questions too if I feel I

◼   ► have something to contribute mm-hmm now

◼   ► there are a lot of questions in this

◼   ► book I'm not gonna ask because some of

◼   ► them really annoy me because they seem

◼   ► to come from a place of real science

◼   ► ignorant or just a logic ignorant so I'm

◼   ► ignoring all those ones give me an

◼   ► example of this I'll give you an example

◼   ► of one what weighs more a piece of blank

◼   ► paper or a piece of lined paper yeah

◼   ► that's just an annoying question yeah

◼   ► there are lots of questions like that

◼   ► and I feel like I need way more details

◼   ► to answer that question well that is a

◼   ► definite problem you will have with

◼   ► every question anyway we're gonna have

◼   ► to do with that grace and just as much

◼   ► as we come to it but that a gray ISM I

◼   ► don't think so I think that's a

◼   ► reasonable thing to ask all right let's

◼   ► go let's I've got the book here you can

◼   ► you can probably hear the pages here

◼   ► there we go some nice bully work thank

◼   ► you

◼   ► so the first one I put a cross next to

◼   ► just so happens to be number

◼   ► eight in the book of 300 okay if the

◼   ► cure for cancer meant constructing a

◼   ► huge Factory in Antarctica should we do

◼   ► it anyway I don't even understand how

◼   ► that's a question yes what's the

◼   ► question I don't think they make the

◼   ► stakes high enough in that question

◼   ► myself you know like I'd burn down the

◼   ► rainforest for a cure for cancer so cure

◼   ► for cancer I was thinking you know maybe

◼   ► destroying all of Antarctica would that

◼   ► be worth curing cancer

◼   ► yeah I'd sink Antarctica under the ocean

◼   ► I mean cancer kills a lot of people yeah

◼   ► there's a lot of weight on that side of

◼   ► the scale I think I'd be pretty hard

◼   ► pressed to think of anything that

◼   ► doesn't come close to species destroying

◼   ► that I wouldn't do to cure cancer okay

◼   ► are you breaking I think my threshold

◼   ► would be probably lower than yours

◼   ► okay so lower then just doesn't destroy

◼   ► the species as your threshold yeah I

◼   ► think obliterating Antarctica altogether

◼   ► I don't know what is in dark touka ever

◼   ► done for you not much I'm going there

◼   ► same oh yeah but I would also like a

◼   ► cure for cancer so I would cancel my

◼   ► trip and let make your cancer would you

◼   ► answer change like before and after the

◼   ► trip like oh you're more hesitant to not

◼   ► destroy Antarctica before you've gone

◼   ► but after you've gone do you think you

◼   ► would be more willing to sink the entire

◼   ► continent would you be willing to put

◼   ► several thousand sort of charismatic

◼   ► fauna species extinct in exchange for a

◼   ► cure for cancer as long as it meant

◼   ► humans could still live like you know

◼   ► get rid of all the elephants and the

◼   ► lions and the cats and the dogs and no

◼   ► dogs oh oh I found your weakness if that

◼   ► is my weakness

◼   ► uh actually I feel like could I look

◼   ► into the eyes of a single puppy and

◼   ► extinguish its life in exchange for a

◼   ► cure for cancer I feel like I don't know

◼   ► if I could do that say what you wouldn't

◼   ► be willing to kill all the puppies in

◼   ► the world for a cure for cancer oh god I

◼   ► don't know now I feel immediately like I

◼   ► need a bunch you know PETA and tactic am

◼   ► the rain forest you know put a few

◼   ► puppies on the Block and suddenly it ya

◼   ► know that's a very different moral

◼   ► question

◼   ► Wow that's horrible to realize that this

◼   ► is the way my brain is prioritizing

◼   ► these things oh man

◼   ► that becomes a much harder question yeah

◼   ► I feel like then I need to know all

◼   ► sorts of details of the book is not

◼   ► going to have like does this mean we

◼   ► will never cure cancer or that we just

◼   ► won't have the cure now like then I need

◼   ► to start really lawyering up on what the

◼   ► exact parameters of this question are

◼   ► but once you involve puppies I'm going

◼   ► to become much more hesitant is what's

◼   ► going on here

◼   ► it's mr. chump is in Asia at the moment

◼   ► mr. chompers is not in earshot at the

◼   ► moment he's going to be returning to the

◼   ► house very shortly

◼   ► he had a big bath from getting all muddy

◼   ► today but he is not currently around

◼   ► well anyway he probably would've liked

◼   ► your answer anyway I feel like a

◼   ► terrible person let's move on to another

◼   ► question are you more of a success if

◼   ► you have had five top 40 hit records but

◼   ► no number ones compared to someone who

◼   ► is a one-hit wonder who has just had one

◼   ► number one oh man that's easy that's

◼   ► easy hmm

◼   ► it depends entirely on how large the

◼   ► residuals are like was the tail end of

◼   ► this just pure dollars yeah it's not a

◼   ► bad consistency of quality uh it's just

◼   ► about the money you make oh is that the

◼   ► I guess that is the question well I

◼   ► think this is complicated because I

◼   ► think it's a kid I think when I first

◼   ► came across the concept of a one-hit

◼   ► wonder I always found that kind of sad

◼   ► yeah do you get that same feeling from

◼   ► like the concept of like a one-hit

◼   ► wonder that there's something like a

◼   ► little sad about that

◼   ► I think it's fluky the person's success

◼   ► yeah I mean that's one of the ways you

◼   ► could take this question yeah but I feel

◼   ► like as I've gotten older like adult me

◼   ► doesn't have that same feeling with a

◼   ► one-hit wonder like a one-hit wonder

◼   ► he's already incredibly successful yeah

◼   ► it's like sure obviously anybody who's a

◼   ► one-hit wonder would prefer to be a

◼   ► two-hit wonder but being a one-hit

◼   ► wonder is way better than being a zero

◼   ► hit wonder let me reframe the question

◼   ► and that completely changes it and in

◼   ► some ways I think would reverse my

◼   ► answer okay and that question would be

◼   ► would you rather win a gold medal at the

◼   ► Olympics or win thirteen silver medals

◼   ► over three different Olympic

◼   ► but no Gold's for me the answer to that

◼   ► is easy I'm gonna bet you want the gold

◼   ► right yeah hmm because no one remembers

◼   ► silver medals in the world of music well

◼   ► it's not true to say no one remembers

◼   ► songs that don't get to number one

◼   ► because a lot of very big songs never

◼   ► technically got to number one but you

◼   ► know a number one is a bit like a gold

◼   ► medal isn't it

◼   ► yeah this is touching upon like the

◼   ► power law in entertainment like a

◼   ► one-hit wonder is ten times more

◼   ► presence in people's minds than the next

◼   ► most popular song which is 10 times more

◼   ► present than the third most popular song

◼   ► and so what would you get down to the

◼   ► bottom of the top 40 chart is like oh

◼   ► yeah those are songs people might

◼   ► recognize but they're not super

◼   ► omnipresent in a person's mind I was

◼   ► just thinking with the silver medals I

◼   ► think something more impressive if you

◼   ► can get a bunch of silver medals in

◼   ► disparate fields this then again it like

◼   ► a we're getting into the details here

◼   ► but I think personally I feel like in my

◼   ► personality I would be happier being

◼   ► less successful in a wider area of

◼   ► fields then being super successful in

◼   ► one field like much to my surprise there

◼   ► is something that is attractive about

◼   ► being the kind of person who could win

◼   ► silver medals in a bunch of events even

◼   ► if you know like lots of people think

◼   ► that silver is first loser

◼   ► that it's not the same as a gold that a

◼   ► gold is like ten times better than a

◼   ► silver in people's minds I remember when

◼   ► I was a little boy I went through a

◼   ► phase where my favorite color

◼   ► was silver you know when you say you

◼   ► have to have a favorite color and a

◼   ► favorite number

◼   ► I always said my favorite color is

◼   ► silver and I was watching the Olympics

◼   ► with my dad one time and I was watching

◼   ► the medal ceremony and I said to my dad

◼   ► you know what I love silver so much I

◼   ► think I'd rather have a silver medal

◼   ► than a gold medal and he just looked at

◼   ► me and said when you grow up you think

◼   ► differently and he was right he was

◼   ► right and while it's true like winning

◼   ► silver medals across disparate

◼   ► disciplines over a sustained period of

◼   ► time does show a far greater level of

◼   ► accomplishment mmm and if you don't

◼   ► believe me there's an Australian who won

◼   ► a gold medal at

◼   ► the Winter Olympics that is the most

◼   ► cheeky undeserved gold medal in the

◼   ► history of gold medals you have to tell

◼   ► me what that is now I'm now I'm curious

◼   ► what is the most undeserved gold medal

◼   ► ever to set the scene for you in the

◼   ► Winter Olympics in some forms of speed

◼   ► skating you have all these eliminations

◼   ► and things like that to get to the final

◼   ► mm-hmm and then the final is four people

◼   ► okay and this Australian actually got

◼   ► through to the final of four people he

◼   ► shouldn't have even been in the final

◼   ► because all the people in his semi-final

◼   ► fell over and he made it to the final

◼   ► okay

◼   ► so then this was the fire live sent you

◼   ► the clip his name's Steven Bradbury okay

◼   ► and he was against three other speed

◼   ► skaters that were way better than him

◼   ► and they were going around this really

◼   ► tight track okay so this is a race this

◼   ► is just like a pure speed race on the

◼   ► ice okay pure race pure race there were

◼   ► four other skaters actually there were

◼   ► five in the final okay he was just

◼   ► sitting at the back not a hope in hell

◼   ► and he'd given up even trying he was

◼   ► just sitting there watching them

◼   ► thinking this is amazing that I even

◼   ► made the final and as the four others

◼   ► were vying for the medals they got to

◼   ► the last corner and they all crashed

◼   ► into each other right at us and he just

◼   ► like just coasted over the line on his

◼   ► own like thinking what the hell just

◼   ► happened and the others were all trying

◼   ► to stand up and like put a toe over the

◼   ► line so they could finish and he was

◼   ► just like oh I just want to gold medal

◼   ► you can never take that away from him

◼   ► and of course he's not as great a speed

◼   ► skater as someone who has won a bunch of

◼   ► silvers over loads of Olympics but he

◼   ► still got his gold medal that's amazing

◼   ► that he's the beneficiary of two flukes

◼   ► that is fluky he was there in the first

◼   ► place and that shot is amazing cuz they

◼   ► they really do crash like 20 feet before

◼   ► the end of the before the end of the

◼   ► race yeah you see the others standing up

◼   ► and just trying to put like their skate

◼   ► over the line to finish and he just like

◼   ► drifts past yeah because I'm just

◼   ► watching the replay here and he's not

◼   ► even booking it for the finish line like

◼   ► he's clearly mentally checked is like

◼   ► inertia just propels him over the finish

◼   ► line

◼   ► Wow

◼   ► Australia go for Australia go for

◼   ► Australia

◼   ► I feel like this adds another level to

◼   ► that question potentially which is

◼   ► getting a gold getting a bunch of

◼   ► Silver's

◼   ► or totally unintentionally getting a

◼   ► gold okay like just blind luck stumbling

◼   ► on to success in this manner that's

◼   ► that's amazing

◼   ► well Salt Lake 2002 fantastic here any

◼   ► for another question yep is a horse a

◼   ► vehicle is a horse a vehicle hmm yeah a

◼   ► horse is a vehicle I'm trying to stretch

◼   ► the edges of this I think if you put a

◼   ► little girl on a big dog that is not a

◼   ► vehicle because there would be no

◼   ► driving like a big st. Bernard with the

◼   ► tiny child on top of it the child doing

◼   ► no driving but a human on a horse is

◼   ► doing driving so I'm gonna say yes the

◼   ► horse is a vehicle and that's the

◼   ► distinguishing characteristic there

◼   ► needs to be active driving agree or

◼   ► disagree don't even care I think it's a

◼   ► stupid question

◼   ► what do you mean it's a stupid question

◼   ► here's a good question uh would it be

◼   ► okay to blast our rubbish into space

◼   ► yeah well again like the one with

◼   ► Antarctica I'm trying to think

◼   ► my only objections would be pragmatic

◼   ► there was a video I used to show my

◼   ► students when we did our little space

◼   ► module that I always loved which was a

◼   ► video that was tracking all of the

◼   ► objects that are currently around earth

◼   ► yeah this included here's the

◼   ► International Space Station here's all

◼   ► the satellites and there's you know

◼   ► there's a huge number of satellites you

◼   ► just don't really think about it but

◼   ► then it was also including all of the

◼   ► objects in space that could potentially

◼   ► be a threat to future missions then when

◼   ► you include that like it's an astounding

◼   ► number of object like it looks like an

◼   ► angry swarm of bees yeah it's a credible

◼   ► now there is a weird problem of scale

◼   ► here right because space is real big and

◼   ► you're trying to look at an image on a

◼   ► screen and how big can that screw be

◼   ► like there's a funny way that it it

◼   ► looks fuller than it is yes of course

◼   ► but still the number is enormous and the

◼   ► threat is real so my only concern

◼   ► about space garbage is how accurately

◼   ► can we fling it directly into the Sun

◼   ► can we use the Sun as a garbage disposal

◼   ► system yeah and if we could shoot it

◼   ► accurately then I would have no problem

◼   ► with it

◼   ► I do remember actually doing this as a

◼   ► unit in one of my physics classes and

◼   ► university is how hard it is to actually

◼   ► hit the Sun like if you are launching

◼   ► something that is not self-guiding it's

◼   ► remarkably hard to get an object that

◼   ► would go into the Sun as opposed to

◼   ► getting captured in some kind of very

◼   ► long comet orbit and then causing other

◼   ► problems so I would probably say no

◼   ► because it's very difficult to imagine a

◼   ► way that it is practical to do so space

◼   ► as garbage disposal I would say let's

◼   ► not do that on practical grounds but if

◼   ► we came up with like a propulsion system

◼   ► that was economical mm-hmm and we could

◼   ► just blast things into space but you

◼   ► couldn't go for the Sun you just had to

◼   ► aim out of the solar system and just

◼   ► send them where they're going like a

◼   ► Voyager probe you know wherever you end

◼   ► up you end up right not here so it's

◼   ► just gonna go where it goes and one day

◼   ► it'll get captured by some other star

◼   ► okay so we're just blindly launching

◼   ► into space yeah yeah don't think too

◼   ► much about the actual practicalities is

◼   ► it okay to use the great beyond as a

◼   ► place just to fling unwanted stuff

◼   ► everything now I'm worried about drawing

◼   ► the attention of like a paperclip

◼   ► maximizing a hey I like where this

◼   ► garbage come from there's like a gods

◼   ► must be crazy situation you know yeah

◼   ► where'd this Falcon having rocket full

◼   ► of disposed soda cans come from it's

◼   ► like all right it came from that planet

◼   ► yeah I would still say though like

◼   ► putting the potential destruction of the

◼   ► human species aside I would be okay with

◼   ► it because space is just so empty it's

◼   ► almost functionally like throwing it

◼   ► into a black hole you don't say as this

◼   ► last pure expanse that hasn't been

◼   ► sullied by McDonald's wrappers I will

◼   ► grant that right space is unsullied

◼   ► presuming that we're the only ones

◼   ► around mm-hmm but I don't think

◼   ► unsullied matters if there's nobody

◼   ► there to experience it isn't us the

◼   ► argument used by people who want to draw

◼   ► for oil in Alaska and stuff people say

◼   ► oh we mustn't do these mining in Alaska

◼   ► and then the little who are pro mining

◼   ► say well there's no one there to look at

◼   ► all this beautiful stuff and these rare

◼   ► birds anyway I'm susceptible to that

◼   ► argument I think I'm less susceptible to

◼   ► it in the drilling in Alaska case

◼   ► because of concern about externalities

◼   ► that it's like okay yeah sure if you're

◼   ► drilling goes okay then everything's

◼   ► fine but if it doesn't then it's no good

◼   ► and we also like for entirely human

◼   ► selfish reasons we have an ecosystem

◼   ► here that we want to preserve for our

◼   ► own benefit space just doesn't seem to

◼   ► have any of those concerns to me yes it

◼   ► is unsullied but it's just unsullied

◼   ► emptiness with no conscious experience

◼   ► whatsoever like it's very hard to

◼   ► imagine what is the externality here of

◼   ► we've launched rockets full of McDonnell

◼   ► trappers into space it's like where

◼   ► there's nobody there to even see it it's

◼   ► just like it disappears where I think

◼   ► the earth is a closed enough system that

◼   ► you want to be more careful

◼   ► like if you're sinking a continent into

◼   ► the ocean you want to make sure you're

◼   ► really getting something good out of

◼   ► that you just want to be more careful

◼   ► with the changes that you're making

◼   ► I'm gonna guess you don't like sending

◼   ► trash into space that's my prediction I

◼   ► find it hard to argue against sending it

◼   ► into the Sun right but I don't like the

◼   ► idea of it but I am also aware that the

◼   ► Apollo astronauts one of the last things

◼   ► they did before reach takeoff was

◼   ► chuckle their rubbish out the door

◼   ► including bags of way it was because

◼   ► there aren't their poo bags off the

◼   ► surface of the Moon yeah it's hard for

◼   ► me to get on too high a horse on this

◼   ► one but or that objectivity video of

◼   ► yours that I loved talking with you

◼   ► about when we were first discussing it

◼   ► the one where that the Russians exploded

◼   ► the satellite full of little Russian

◼   ► coins off the surface of the Moon there

◼   ► was like sort of like a sphere made of

◼   ► Penance

◼   ► right and then the pennants sort of

◼   ► scattered all over the surface when the

◼   ► settler impacted yeah there's something

◼   ► I just I love about that idea is there's

◼   ► something so childish about that like oh

◼   ► we're gonna just put a bunch of coins

◼   ► that say we were here on the surface of

◼   ► the Moon it is also just totally a kind

◼   ► of garbage I would love it if they went

◼   ► and visited those sites when you know

◼   ► eventually we start going back to the

◼   ► moon and they found those pennants

◼   ► awesome there will be real collectors

◼   ► items someday yeah they will but so

◼   ► you're okay with the Sun because the Sun

◼   ► is just an incinerator yeah like an

◼   ► atomic level incinerator like we could

◼   ► throw nuclear waste into the Sun but

◼   ► then you feel more uneasy when you're

◼   ► talking about the vast emptiness of

◼   ► space if it was just blasting sewage

◼   ► towards Alpha Centauri yeah pardon me

◼   ► would think Oh God

◼   ► we've crapped all over this planet now

◼   ► when crapping everywhere else as well

◼   ► I'm not sure I feel like we have the

◼   ► right to do it I find that interesting

◼   ► because like to me the concept of rights

◼   ► implies that there's someone whose

◼   ► rights are being infringed upon well I

◼   ► don't think we know enough to know

◼   ► whether that's the case or not okay and

◼   ► I feel like it's not our place you know

◼   ► I know there are space treaties and

◼   ► Antarctic treaties and it kind of all

◼   ► merges into that a bit but I think it

◼   ► goes beyond that because I still think

◼   ► with our space treaties Antarctic is

◼   ► different but with our space treaties

◼   ► there is a certain arrogance involved in

◼   ► us deciding amongst ourselves as humans

◼   ► what can be done with space and how it's

◼   ► gonna be carved up remind me have you

◼   ► read the read Mars Ceres the Kim Stanley

◼   ► Robinson series I only think I've read

◼   ► the first one yeah I have tried many

◼   ► times to get through the second - I've

◼   ► never made it I've given up on that as a

◼   ► life goal I'm like I'm never gonna make

◼   ► it through green Mars let alone blue

◼   ► Mars yeah but I really like them I

◼   ► reread red Mars maybe just a couple

◼   ► years ago it holds up as a great science

◼   ► fiction book but this is like one of the

◼   ► main themes through that book that I

◼   ► think is interestingly handled is the

◼   ► idea of humans around Mars

◼   ► how much right - humans have to change

◼   ► Mars from what it is into what the

◼   ► humans wanted like this is a central

◼   ► political conflict that takes place in

◼   ► that book and I think the book is a an

◼   ► interesting exploration of that idea

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◼   ► show would a baby born on a deserted

◼   ► island ever laughs of course a baby on a

◼   ► deserted island would laugh I think

◼   ► that's asked like asking if a baby on a

◼   ► deserted island would see I guess the

◼   ► question they're getting at more here

◼   ► and this is a more interesting question

◼   ► rather than saying would ever laugh

◼   ► would it ever find something funny like

◼   ► his humor learned it's getting to be

◼   ► more subtle but all I was gonna say the

◼   ► thing that I found interesting when my

◼   ► friends started having kids I think that

◼   ► never really crossed my mind before is

◼   ► that there comes a time when babies

◼   ► start to laugh that there's like a

◼   ► period of time where a baby will not

◼   ► laugh like you get a little trouble baby

◼   ► and you do a big raspberry on its

◼   ► stomach and

◼   ► there's just no response like the wires

◼   ► aren't hooked up correctly yeah and then

◼   ► when they get older at some point

◼   ► they're like oh this is hilarious right

◼   ► like raspberries on the stomach are the

◼   ► funniest thing ever but that's because

◼   ► I've seen you and everyone else laugh at

◼   ► it but oh yeah I was gonna say it's like

◼   ► I do think there is something about the

◼   ► wires are getting hooked up together cuz

◼   ► a baby born on a deserted island that

◼   ► and then it becomes like grown-up let's

◼   ► forget about all the logistics involved

◼   ► here yeah yeah just and then one day

◼   ► they see like a giraffe walking on ice

◼   ► and the giraffe like stumbles and falls

◼   ► over in a comical way they're not gonna

◼   ► find that funny

◼   ► okay the more we talk the less certain

◼   ► I'm getting because I'm thinking maybe

◼   ► this is much more like a language thing

◼   ► like just humor exists in the absence of

◼   ► other minds but I feel like there's some

◼   ► part of humor that's like the lowest

◼   ► part of humor which is really connected

◼   ► to the idea of surprise yeah that humor

◼   ► is connected to surprise and a baby

◼   ► living as an adult is going to at some

◼   ► point on its Island be surprised by

◼   ► something and maybe that would trigger a

◼   ► laugh but I don't know like and the more

◼   ► I talk the less convinced I am because

◼   ► there are those cases that you read

◼   ► about like you know feral children who

◼   ► are sort of in this situation and the

◼   ► really fascinating thing is it seems

◼   ► like for a lot of these cases

◼   ► reacquiring language skills is just

◼   ► almost impossible and maybe there's

◼   ► something like that with humor that if

◼   ► they're you don't have the concept of

◼   ► other minds that you just don't develop

◼   ► this idea a long time ago I heard this

◼   ► idea about what is humor that I just

◼   ► love and I think about sometimes but

◼   ► that humor is like a way that brains are

◼   ► like debugging other brains or that

◼   ► brains are figuring out the edges inside

◼   ► of other brains and I feel like I don't

◼   ► quite know what that sentence even means

◼   ► but there's something about it that

◼   ► strikes me as correct

◼   ► that like humor is an exploration of

◼   ► another mind in a different way than

◼   ► talking is like what makes someone laugh

◼   ► tells you something about their mind in

◼   ► a way that is very different from just

◼   ► talking to them and especially like with

◼   ► my wife I feel like I can make my wife

◼   ► really laugh now I like I have a good

◼   ► sense of like jokes or things that will

◼   ► make her laugh but there's no way to

◼   ► verbalize what that is it's like some

◼   ► other part of my brain has learned how

◼   ► to get this particular reaction out of

◼   ► her brain so I don't know I think I have

◼   ► just talked myself out of this maybe a

◼   ► baby would never laugh that this is

◼   ► something that is like language yeah I

◼   ► think I might be retracting my position

◼   ► yeah well it was fun watching you work

◼   ► through it

◼   ► this next question might be a bit more

◼   ► up your alley okay if a robot waiter

◼   ► brings you a drink should you say thank

◼   ► you well that was a big sigh like this

◼   ► is really like a conundrum for you it

◼   ► all hangs on the word should in this

◼   ► sentence right okay I came across a

◼   ► parent who had this concern that I found

◼   ► interesting and the concern was that

◼   ► Siri and Alexa were turning their child

◼   ► into an inconsiderate asshole

◼   ► that is interesting yeah because the

◼   ► child is just able to issue commands and

◼   ► the machines just do it

◼   ► yeah and the machines have no need for

◼   ► any of the social pleasantries

◼   ► and that their perception was that this

◼   ► was bleeding over into other social

◼   ► interactions that this was not contained

◼   ► within the environment of like you're

◼   ► not really talking to alexa like you're

◼   ► issuing a series of verbal communication

◼   ► with a robot that like the kid just

◼   ► wasn't clicking with that so that's the

◼   ► reason i hesitate there because like do

◼   ► you need to thank a robot obviously not

◼   ► do I ever say thank you to Siri no do I

◼   ► ever say thank you to your toaster yeah

◼   ► exactly

◼   ► right like there's no need to do that

◼   ► there's nothing there I feel like

◼   ► there's something about society here

◼   ► like if you have a c-3po looking robot

◼   ► something that is like sort of human

◼   ► looking that maybe it's not a bad idea

◼   ► to just reflexively keep the thank you

◼   ► even though you know that the robot

◼   ► doesn't need it just to practice I have

◼   ► a yeah like it like as a habit now if

◼   ► the robot is is like oh the table is a

◼   ► robot and the drinks just appear then it

◼   ► feels like they come up through a little

◼   ► slot in the table and I feel like okay

◼   ► well this is there's nothing human here

◼   ► but it I feel like if it is an

◼   ► anthropomorphic robot I could see being

◼   ► on the side of we as a society should

◼   ► agree that we're going to keep this

◼   ► habit in so long as there still exists

◼   ► human waiters in other situations that

◼   ► it's like don't lose this but so you say

◼   ► we should say thank you to say Threepio

◼   ► but not r2d2 damn it Oh God well okay

◼   ► Brady you're gonna make me talk about it

◼   ► droid slavery is clearly a conscious

◼   ► creature with emotions and feelings and

◼   ► expressions but if in the real world we

◼   ► built a robot that looked like r2d2 who

◼   ► was going around on a floating flotilla

◼   ► in the desert distributing drinks and we

◼   ► were reasonably confident that that

◼   ► robot had no consciousness I feel like

◼   ► yeah that's a little close to a Roomba

◼   ► with some drinks on top of it and I feel

◼   ► like you know I have no need to thank

◼   ► the Roomba for distributing these drinks

◼   ► but if it's humanoid I feel like there

◼   ► is something maybe here but again I may

◼   ► be extrapolating too far from a

◼   ► particular case but I found that like an

◼   ► interesting thing that would never have

◼   ► crossed my mind before that that it's

◼   ► making me think about this question a

◼   ► little bit differently I just had a

◼   ► great idea for a piece of Star Wars

◼   ► merchandising who a Roomba that will

◼   ► fire a lightsaber across the room to you

◼   ► Return of the Jedi star little slot that

◼   ► opens up on its top is that what you

◼   ► want breeding well I would say no you

◼   ► wouldn't think now I've got another

◼   ► question okay would you rather live

◼   ► under a democracy or Undead a

◼   ► dictatorship led by Father Christmas oh

◼   ► I need to know a lot about father

◼   ► Christmas in this

◼   ► I think you understand the general

◼   ► concept of father Christmas I mean

◼   ► there's not a bad bone in his body

◼   ► I'm gonna just I'm gonna interpret this

◼   ► as Santa Claus because I think there's a

◼   ► like a slight difference between father

◼   ► Christmas and Santa Claus but like I

◼   ► must say that sounds like a far more

◼   ► interesting conversation to make what's

◼   ► the difference during father Christmas

◼   ► and Santa Claus okay so this is like dim

◼   ► memories from when I was doing the my

◼   ► Santa video from years and years ago but

◼   ► I was reading up on a whole bunch of

◼   ► stuff and it the conclusion that I

◼   ► remember coming to and so this this may

◼   ► be a little bit shaky Internet it's been

◼   ► a long time but my memory is that father

◼   ► Christmas was much more like a spirit of

◼   ► adult Thanksgiving that father Christmas

◼   ► was like feast and happy times and wine

◼   ► and fun and that father Christmas was

◼   ► not like a gift-giving concept no father

◼   ► Christmas definitely gave me presents

◼   ► when I was little here's where I was

◼   ► going with this is that that this is a

◼   ► thing that starting in like the 40s and

◼   ► 50s started to get completely subsumed

◼   ► by the concept of Santa that like Santa

◼   ► as the gift-giving thing is an idea that

◼   ► has taken over a lot of other cultures

◼   ► and that like father Christmas used to

◼   ► be like a different thing but now and

◼   ► for the life of everyone who has been

◼   ► alive in the UK father Christmas is just

◼   ► like a different name for Santa like

◼   ► it's one of the thousand names of Santa

◼   ► yeah but I feel like I don't understand

◼   ► Santa Claus political ideas I think this

◼   ► is why it's an interesting question if

◼   ► Santa Claus was taken from his cushy

◼   ► life in the North Pole right and he's

◼   ► and he's one day of work a year yeah how

◼   ► would he run the world

◼   ► this I think is the burning question

◼   ► said of Claus sees everything but he's

◼   ► not all-powerful presumably in the

◼   ► situation he has an army right he's a

◼   ► dictator he has keys that he needs to

◼   ► keep him power I feel like I would keep

◼   ► the democracy you know anything Santa

◼   ► could hold it together I just think that

◼   ► even if you have the power of all-seeing

◼   ► sight and all-knowing like a

◼   ► dictatorship is a okay so if we're

◼   ► taking Santa Claus and we're putting him

◼   ► in the real world and he's in charge of

◼   ► a dictatorship I feel like it's still a

◼   ► dangerous and precarious situation that

◼   ► even if you have the power of seeing

◼   ► every

◼   ► I'm not going to trust that to last a

◼   ► long time or to always be able to do

◼   ► good things even if that is the

◼   ► intention of Santa Claus so I'm gonna

◼   ► stick with the democracy instead of a

◼   ► dictatorship run by Santa there's just

◼   ► so much goodwill towards Santa Claus now

◼   ► you can't imagine anyone ever trying to

◼   ► overthrow him it's Santa he's got a

◼   ► belly that shakes when he loves I guess

◼   ► that gives him plus 100 defense against

◼   ► movies like this that was that belly

◼   ► does look like so jolly knows who's

◼   ► gonna throw our Santa yeah but one of

◼   ► his powers is not like a reality

◼   ► distortion field like if if he came with

◼   ► like a foundation style like you will

◼   ► love me ability like then that's a

◼   ► different story but I feel like his

◼   ► primary power is being able to read the

◼   ► minds of everyone simultaneously and

◼   ► it's like I wonder if he'd get elected

◼   ► if he ran for office in a democracy I'm

◼   ► pretty sure Santa would win by a

◼   ► landslide he'd get most of the popular

◼   ► fight but he might get undone by the

◼   ► electoral college

◼   ► yeah but I wouldn't mind having some

◼   ► checks and balances on Santa Claus like

◼   ► that's the difference here you can win

◼   ► an election but maybe not just we're

◼   ► gonna hand you the keys to power

◼   ► entirely do you use your imagination

◼   ► when you dream

◼   ► I know dreamings of a favorite topic

◼   ► yours I don't understand what that

◼   ► question means yeah I don't really

◼   ► either I just saw a dream and thought

◼   ► other nope oh great yeah let's I feel

◼   ► like that's a meaningless question if

◼   ► you do something wrong when you are

◼   ► drunk

◼   ► should you feel less guilty than if you

◼   ► had done it stone-cold sober oh you got

◼   ► to answer this one Brady you answer this

◼   ► one because I I feel like this is such a

◼   ► hard question

◼   ► this gets like the core of the universe

◼   ► this question here I don't know the

◼   ► answer to that you don't know the answer

◼   ► to that I think you know you were

◼   ► equipped with less tools to make a good

◼   ► decision right but you took those tools

◼   ► away from yourself when you decided to

◼   ► have a bunch of drinks yeah it's a bit

◼   ► like oh I was driving a car while

◼   ► blindfolded no this was like huh I guess

◼   ► it's less your fault that you got into

◼   ► an accident but you put on a blindfold

◼   ► it's like if you're still gonna find

◼   ► fault there yeah with this question the

◼   ► reason why I really stumble over it is

◼   ► because if I were to disassemble this

◼   ► question I think this question is

◼   ► actually asking if you were to change

◼   ► the nature of you are you as responsible

◼   ► for your actions that very quickly gets

◼   ► into it a thing where it's like it's

◼   ► hard to know what to even say and this

◼   ► like if you've changed yourself to be a

◼   ► different person are you still

◼   ► responsible like yes and kind of know it

◼   ► it's I think this is why the law

◼   ► wrestles put this subject as well I

◼   ► can't come down solidly on this I will

◼   ► just say get something on the record

◼   ► here there's a thing people do that I

◼   ► think is a bad habit that people should

◼   ► get out of I think some people have the

◼   ► idea that like when they're interacting

◼   ► with someone who is drunk that somehow

◼   ► that is the true person and I feel like

◼   ► that is a strange and bad idea to have

◼   ► in people's minds that they feel like oh

◼   ► when the person gets drunk it's like the

◼   ► veil is lifted onto the inner core of

◼   ► the person the filters are removed yeah

◼   ► that very concept of like oh you're

◼   ► saying the things that you would say or

◼   ► that you you are thinking but now we can

◼   ► all see it because you're drunk I feel

◼   ► like that is a bad idea for people to

◼   ► have in their minds I think it's

◼   ► nonsensical like you're dealing with the

◼   ► person who's essentially a different

◼   ► person now it's not like you're seeing

◼   ► the core of the real person I think

◼   ► that's a a strange and unhelpful idea

◼   ► that lots of people seem to have I do I

◼   ► think it's a strange thing to think it

◼   ► might be a wrong thing to think but I

◼   ► think it's strange

◼   ► I see logic to it but it's kind of like

◼   ► if someone were to take a bunch of LSD

◼   ► like would you feel like you're seeing

◼   ► the core of the person while they're

◼   ► high on LSD I don't think people would

◼   ► think that I think people have a concept

◼   ► that oh this is a person whose mind has

◼   ► now been dramatically changed I feel

◼   ► like we just don't have that same

◼   ► concept with something like alcohol

◼   ► that's true but it's also true that for

◼   ► example you may know things or have

◼   ► opinions that you don't share with me

◼   ► because you don't want to hurt my

◼   ► feelings or you don't want me to find

◼   ► out for various reasons and your

◼   ► intellect is telling you that and if

◼   ► that was taken away from you temporarily

◼   ► I could have access to that information

◼   ► I'm not saying that would tell me

◼   ► anything little true.you but it would be

◼   ► like I would find out information I

◼   ► might not know otherwise I guess maybe

◼   ► that is where that idea comes from

◼   ► certain people can let something slip in

◼   ► a coherent way while they're drinking

◼   ► yeah that in LSD like all that's gonna

◼   ► happen is if someone's gonna be hugging

◼   ► you and telling you how you're a

◼   ► beautiful butterfly and we're all one

◼   ► with the universe and you're like okay

◼   ► man like it's great but they're not like

◼   ► yeah spilling their secrets okay I

◼   ► retract strange but I stand by unhelpful

◼   ► yes is vandalizing a speed camera the

◼   ► same as vandalizing a lifebuoy by a

◼   ► river but okay right you could you could

◼   ► vandalize a speed camera so that

◼   ► government can't give a bunch of fines

◼   ► two people for speeding okay

◼   ► or you could vandalize like a lifebuoy

◼   ► by the river which is really handy

◼   ► because it would save people's lives are

◼   ► those two acts of vandalism equally bad

◼   ► do you mean like there's buoys that mark

◼   ► where you're not supposed to swim past

◼   ► no I think like a ring that you would

◼   ► throw out to someone to help them if

◼   ► they were drowning okay yeah presume by

◼   ► vandalize it like you've made it

◼   ► non-functional yes not like you've drawn

◼   ► a naughty picture on it no I feel like

◼   ► vandalizing that the buoy is way worse I

◼   ► think that's where the question is

◼   ► leading one I'm trying like why do I

◼   ► feel like the buoy is worse and like the

◼   ► direct one-on-one nature makes it feel

◼   ► worse like you've fallen off of a cruise

◼   ► ship into the ocean someone goes to

◼   ► throw you a lifeline and lol it falls to

◼   ► pieces because some kid is have slashed

◼   ► it to bits that feels like it like a

◼   ► doubly bad situation while the Spade

◼   ► camera while it can be life-saving

◼   ► indirectly it's not quite say directly

◼   ► life-saving and it is also revenue

◼   ► raising for the government what do you

◼   ► know it's surely not those things aren't

◼   ► used for revenue I also feel like

◼   ► there's a there's a vandalizing the

◼   ► speed camera is less bad because the

◼   ► speed cameras work because there are a

◼   ► lot of them it's like you're attacking a

◼   ► single node in a network and the

◼   ► speed-camera its presence or absence is

◼   ► not necessarily going to have a big

◼   ► impact on does someone speed a lot or

◼   ► not but the fact that there are a

◼   ► hundred speed cameras in the city on

◼   ► average may have some kind of

◼   ► suppression effect although like even

◼   ► how effective that is may be debatable

◼   ► but like somebody drowning and reaching

◼   ► out for a floating thing and the

◼   ► floating thing breaks there's no debate

◼   ► about that that's just undeniably bad

◼   ► and in a very clear and direct way so

◼   ► yeah it's like a speed camera is like a

◼   ► politician no one likes it but it's kind

◼   ► of necessary whereas the life boy is

◼   ► like father Christmas everyone likes

◼   ► about the Christmas right yeah okay yep

◼   ► well perfect that's a perfect analogy so

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◼   ► think of two things at the same time I

◼   ► bet you like that question that comes

◼   ► down to what do you mean by the word

◼   ► think I'm just reading the words what do

◼   ► you think do you think two things at the

◼   ► same time in your head I don't think so

◼   ► consciously like conscious deliberate

◼   ► thought right I mean obviously I can

◼   ► talk to you in juggle at the same time

◼   ► right but I don't know I don't know how

◼   ► the brain works I know that's the thing

◼   ► on the other end of this microphone we

◼   ► know like oh well let me pull out my PhD

◼   ► in brain like nope I don't know how

◼   ► brains work either like just a dude on

◼   ► the internet who's made a video about

◼   ► brains like I don't know I'm never aware

◼   ► of thinking two things at the same time

◼   ► that's for sure you're at your lack of

◼   ► internal monologue I also find weird but

◼   ► um okay so thinking two things at the

◼   ► same time what I'm thinking here is I

◼   ► can talk to you right now

◼   ► while I am visualizing an elephant in my

◼   ► brain like does that count about as

◼   ► thinking two things at the same time to

◼   ► me though maybe I'm wrong about this but

◼   ► when you're visualizing the elephant and

◼   ► talking to me you're not actually doing

◼   ► two things at the same time you're just

◼   ► jumping between the two things over a

◼   ► microsecond by microsecond you think

◼   ► you're switching back and forth between

◼   ► the two mm-hmm I think at the exact

◼   ► moment you're actually thinking of the

◼   ► clever thing you want to say to me you

◼   ► are momentarily

◼   ► using the elephant yeah this also gets

◼   ► really to the core of like I'm not

◼   ► convinced that talking is thinking

◼   ► because talking seems to be a thing that

◼   ► just happens certainly for us in ninety

◼   ► five episodes of like I mean going to

◼   ► the very very core of like what we

◼   ► started talking about the beginning of

◼   ► this podcast I like to talk about this

◼   ► as a topic with creative people but it

◼   ► is a thing that you can make people

◼   ► aware of just in their regular life

◼   ► which is like just pay attention while

◼   ► you're talking and you will realize you

◼   ► have no idea how you're doing it it's

◼   ► just a thing that happens and that even

◼   ► when you think you're thinking about

◼   ► talking like you don't know where those

◼   ► thoughts like it is just an automatic

◼   ► process and there is something about

◼   ► that realization which is absolutely

◼   ► terrifying and it is ten times

◼   ► terrifying when say like you do a

◼   ► podcast for a living because you have to

◼   ► come like face to face with the concept

◼   ► of one of the core things that you do

◼   ► for a living

◼   ► you fundamentally have no idea how you

◼   ► do it it just happens this is what I

◼   ► mean like the question very quickly gets

◼   ► to the concept of like what is thinking

◼   ► because I feel like I could easily say

◼   ► that talking isn't any kind of thinking

◼   ► that there's not any thinking that's

◼   ► occurring while talking is happening and

◼   ► that visualizing an elephant to me seems

◼   ► like this is what thinking is or closing

◼   ► my mouth and then listening to the

◼   ► internal dialogue in my head that that's

◼   ► what thinking is and then if you're like

◼   ► okay thinking is the words that you hear

◼   ► in your head is like well then that's

◼   ► very clear there's only ever one voice

◼   ► talking in your head and if that's what

◼   ► thoughts are then no it's not possible

◼   ► to think about two things at once there

◼   ► is a component to conversation that

◼   ► obviously isn't talking but there is

◼   ► that part of you where you're thinking

◼   ► about what you will say next and you're

◼   ► even anticipating what that person will

◼   ► then say to what you're going to say so

◼   ► conversation is obviously very full of

◼   ► thought but yeah the actual talking part

◼   ► when you actually like put the foot down

◼   ► on the talking accelerator yeah it does

◼   ► become very strangely automated is

◼   ► something I think I think I've mentioned

◼   ► this in how they were internet before

◼   ► but I noticed it again the other day

◼   ► actually and I don't know whether I've

◼   ► Eve ever told me if it happens to you

◼   ► but if you happen to for some reason

◼   ► ever hear an old piece of you podcasting

◼   ► do you find you always almost know

◼   ► exactly what you're gonna say next and

◼   ► not because you remember what you said

◼   ► but just because you're so predictable

◼   ► in your head like sometimes when I hear

◼   ► at a conversation that I've had with you

◼   ► in the past like the silly joke or the

◼   ► question that I ask next and other thing

◼   ► I say I very often anticipate and I

◼   ► don't think it's because I remember the

◼   ► conversation because I don't I think

◼   ► it's just because I'm so so predictable

◼   ► when I'm done with these episodes I

◼   ► don't think I have ever listened to a

◼   ► hello internet episode after it's gone

◼   ► live unless I'm preparing for a show

◼   ► yeah but even then I haven't done that

◼   ► very recently but what I do have is a

◼   ► thing when I am editing let's say that

◼   ► the only thing I'm doing is I'm looking

◼   ► at the screen I'm looking at the

◼   ► waveforms I'm editing the podcast

◼   ► especially when I'm doing it for the

◼   ► first time so I'm listening to the raw

◼   ► conversation exactly as it happened hmm

◼   ► I'm aware that I can get almost caught

◼   ► in a weird loop where I don't know how

◼   ► to describe it but it's almost like my

◼   ► brain is just like a wagon going

◼   ► westward in these really well-worn

◼   ► tracks and there's no ability to even

◼   ► turn off the tracks mm-hmm it's

◼   ► sometimes the thing I have to kind of

◼   ► break out of or it's like what happened

◼   ► to me I feel like I just disappeared and

◼   ► this conversation is happening through

◼   ► my brain and my brain is just this very

◼   ► predictable machine which is like

◼   ► repeating the exact things that it is

◼   ► saying in the past like it's it's very

◼   ► hard to describe but it does feel like I

◼   ► lose myself and can kind of forget that

◼   ► I'm supposed to be here editing a

◼   ► podcast it's more like my brain has gone

◼   ► on some kind of autopilot because it's

◼   ► receiving the exact same inputs and

◼   ► hearing the exact same outputs that it

◼   ► would produce so I think this is a

◼   ► similar experience to what you're

◼   ► talking about but it's just yeah I think

◼   ► so too I intentionally especially when

◼   ► I'm doing the first edit I intentionally

◼   ► want to have something visual to do

◼   ► which is very often like playing a video

◼   ► game because it helps

◼   ► keep me actually more focused on the

◼   ► conversation I think that that's that's

◼   ► part of it is like break this little

◼   ► self-similar pattern by having something

◼   ► else that you're paying attention to

◼   ► that's like I can hear the podcast more

◼   ► clearly when I'm visually doing

◼   ► something else and I think that's part

◼   ► of the reason why I was gonna slightly

◼   ► modify this next question just to tone

◼   ► it down but I think it's kind of it's

◼   ► starkness and harshness is what makes

◼   ► the question work so I'm gonna read it

◼   ► as printed go for it would you accept a

◼   ► heart transplant from a rapist

◼   ► I mean I'm dying here right yeah I

◼   ► presume you like at doing it recreation

◼   ► yeah like it's not recreational heart

◼   ► transplant surgery yeah um yeah I would

◼   ► do that I would have no problem with

◼   ► that because I feel like it is a piece

◼   ► of meat I wouldn't accept a brain

◼   ► transplant from a rapist but like if we

◼   ► could take a rapist and cut him up into

◼   ► all the different pieces and distribute

◼   ► them all to people and you could save

◼   ► lives with those pieces like I don't see

◼   ► how that's not good

◼   ► well let me ask her another question

◼   ► that's a good answer let me change the

◼   ► question on you hmm if a rapist died and

◼   ► left all their money to you in their

◼   ► will and the money wasn't gained by

◼   ► illegal means right would you accept the

◼   ► money from a rapist yes that's an easier

◼   ► one and I would say no but money's money

◼   ► like heart is a mate yeah your heart is

◼   ► made a lot isn't it is the Reese yes

◼   ► that is true you can use that as the

◼   ► title of the episode if you like oh

◼   ► you're doing the episode title fishing

◼   ► while we're doing it now that's that's

◼   ► terrible radiation I'm thinking of

◼   ► multiple things at once it you shouldn't

◼   ► be doing metacognition on the podcast

◼   ► will holder recording I was also

◼   ► imagining an elephant as I said the

◼   ► distinction here is okay so I I I'm

◼   ► gonna take your modification modify it

◼   ► again yeah I am a popper in need of

◼   ► life-saving surgery that I cannot pay

◼   ► for and a rapist dies and leaves me his

◼   ► money that I can use to pay for the

◼   ► surgery would I use the money to pay for

◼   ► the surgery yes even if it was

◼   ► ill-gotten money even if it was

◼   ► ill-gotten money I would use the money

◼   ► that had been left to me yeah presumably

◼   ► that this is like not an illegal

◼   ► situation I don't know exactly how that

◼   ► works no no yeah that no you're right

◼   ► you're not breaking the law

◼   ► right if I am not breaking the law and

◼   ► like a rapist leaves me some money that

◼   ► I can use

◼   ► on a surgery to save my own life I would

◼   ► totally do that but the situation is now

◼   ► it's like I am CGP grey podcaster

◼   ► YouTube creator video game live streamer

◼   ► dog walker dog well that's dog walker

◼   ► actually by sheer number of hours that

◼   ► is now my heart is profession probably

◼   ► in that situation like a rapist dies and

◼   ► leaves me some money like that is just

◼   ► going immediately to a like a woman

◼   ► shelter right like I'm just redirecting

◼   ► that money straight away it's like yeah

◼   ► yeah money is money but the reason that

◼   ► the original scenario works is because

◼   ► it's a question about like saving your

◼   ► life it's nade yeah it's what you see

◼   ► it's innate must yeah that's what makes

◼   ► the the difference in that scenario

◼   ► fair answer would you brainy I am a bit

◼   ► squeamish about accepting a heart

◼   ► transplant rapist but I am also a bit

◼   ► squeamish about dying from heart disease

◼   ► when I don't have to so the eternal void

◼   ► that'll wait - yeah - bit squeamish

◼   ► about that if someone changed your life

◼   ► for the better

◼   ► by lying to you would it be a good Act

◼   ► mmm God I say yes here's a problem I

◼   ► have with that quite the the phrasing of

◼   ► that question yeah this reminds me of

◼   ► like sometimes in movies when you you

◼   ► are given the like the all-seeing

◼   ► perspective and you know something for

◼   ► sure and when you're watching it like

◼   ► that changes how you perceive characters

◼   ► in a movie it's like oh but you know for

◼   ► sure this thing did or did not happen so

◼   ► I feel like that question is starting

◼   ► out by positing there like this will for

◼   ► sure always be a net positive if this

◼   ► person lies to you and I feel like the

◼   ► real world is much more complicated than

◼   ► that but I under the premise that this

◼   ► question is asking I think the answer is

◼   ► is yes but I'm I'm very hesitant to say

◼   ► that as like social stamp of approval

◼   ► for lying to make people feel better

◼   ► exactly I think the answer is yes but

◼   ► they took a tremendous risk I think

◼   ► there are far far fewer situations where

◼   ► even things like White Lies but like

◼   ► lying to make someone better I think

◼   ► there are fewer ways that actual

◼   ► works then people think it works right

◼   ► that's why I feel hesitant about this

◼   ► just because it's like I don't want

◼   ► people to hear me like writing a check

◼   ► that I'm not really going to cash I'm

◼   ► agreeing under very narrow circumstances

◼   ► this next question is a bit similar to

◼   ► something we've already discussed and

◼   ► it's also high-stakes trolley problem

◼   ► here no no no the trolley problem if you

◼   ► could save the planet by wiping out half

◼   ► the population of the human race should

◼   ► you wait the planet I don't know I guess

◼   ► they're saying is it ok to kill half the

◼   ► humans in the world if they're all going

◼   ► to die otherwise do you mean the planet

◼   ► like we're saving Mother Earth because

◼   ► I'm not real interested in that but is

◼   ► my alternative we can move everybody to