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Roderick on the Line

Ep. 269: "Yelling at the Radio"

 

00:00:01   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1">TS</a>]

00:00:05   hello hi John hi Mel run yeah John how's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/5">TS</a>]

00:00:10   it going good how are you good I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/10">TS</a>]

00:00:13   diddling a little bit with some new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/13">TS</a>]

00:00:15   audio and you're my first victim oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/15">TS</a>]

00:00:21   this could get real weird I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/21">TS</a>]

00:00:23   what's happening what's happening there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/23">TS</a>]

00:00:25   oh I'm trying a new interface to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/25">TS</a>]

00:00:28   computer tell me about it tell me more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/28">TS</a>]

00:00:30   about no I don't get too far is it an is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/30">TS</a>]

00:00:31   it an A to D converter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/31">TS</a>]

00:00:33   yeah no it's D D D all the way down just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/33">TS</a>]

00:00:36   like brothers-in-arms uh-huh am I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/36">TS</a>]

00:00:38   allowed to you know cuz I turned you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/38">TS</a>]

00:00:40   down okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/40">TS</a>]

00:00:41   all right well I'm not peeking I got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/41">TS</a>]

00:00:43   limiter dipswitch I hit the always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/43">TS</a>]

00:00:45   switch I'm always peeking here and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/45">TS</a>]

00:00:47   don't understand why I've got this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/47">TS</a>]

00:00:49   little audio interface that has little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/49">TS</a>]

00:00:51   little meters on it and every time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/51">TS</a>]

00:00:53   look down it looks right and then I look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/53">TS</a>]

00:00:56   away and I looked back and I've and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/56">TS</a>]

00:00:59   had a peak I've got some I've got red [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/59">TS</a>]

00:01:03   and I'm and I was like I'm talking right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/63">TS</a>]

00:01:05   now talk this as loud as I get I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/65">TS</a>]

00:01:07   peeking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/67">TS</a>]

00:01:08   yeah no I'm like a monkey with a slide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/68">TS</a>]

00:01:09   rule lalala I got this thing and I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/69">TS</a>]

00:01:12   my 23 ban meter dingus that tells me how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/72">TS</a>]

00:01:15   I'm doing well bands like a Nakamichi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/75">TS</a>]

00:01:20   cereal it's pretty sweet anyways it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/80">TS</a>]

00:01:27   the most wonderful time we having a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/87">TS</a>]

00:01:30   week it can't be that bad oh man I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/90">TS</a>]

00:01:45   an unusual thing what tell me well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/105">TS</a>]

00:01:48   know it was some kind of podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/108">TS</a>]

00:01:49   conference here in town yes is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/109">TS</a>]

00:01:51   pod Conn pod con and I was put on by I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/111">TS</a>]

00:01:59   think Hank green and his brother Frank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/119">TS</a>]

00:02:01   green he's from the internet from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/121">TS</a>]

00:02:04   internet mm-hm and and the the McElroy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/124">TS</a>]

00:02:08   brothers McElroy's and no one called me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/128">TS</a>]

00:02:14   spit out my beverage I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/134">TS</a>]

00:02:17   called you nobody called me now what now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/137">TS</a>]

00:02:20   some some fans called me some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/140">TS</a>]

00:02:22   that were coming through town that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/142">TS</a>]

00:02:24   like I'm coming to the podcast con oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/144">TS</a>]

00:02:26   and you got coming at you both ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/146">TS</a>]

00:02:28   people unempowered to have you up on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/148">TS</a>]

00:02:30   stage they're saying hey where's John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/150">TS</a>]

00:02:31   Roderick that's right I had a I had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/151">TS</a>]

00:02:33   local journalist who said hey can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/153">TS</a>]

00:02:35   can you know can you introduce me to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/155">TS</a>]

00:02:38   mek Elroy's mm-hmm I'm gonna get so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/158">TS</a>]

00:02:40   letters from them from the McIlroy's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/160">TS</a>]

00:02:43   first and foremost but I think I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/163">TS</a>]

00:02:50   they've I don't think they communicate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/170">TS</a>]

00:02:51   anymore I think I think they've had it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/171">TS</a>]

00:02:53   hmm well so apparently like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/173">TS</a>]

00:02:55   mentioned me from the stage at their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/175">TS</a>]

00:02:57   show did they always they always thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/177">TS</a>]

00:02:59   you at the end of their I don't listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/179">TS</a>]

00:03:00   to their show but they always thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/180">TS</a>]

00:03:02   at the end of every episode and they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/182">TS</a>]

00:03:03   we're to get a copy of your album it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/183">TS</a>]

00:03:06   wonderful that they do that but no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/186">TS</a>]

00:03:07   invited me to the pod con that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/187">TS</a>]

00:03:09   happening in my own town and podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/189">TS</a>]

00:03:12   about the Wicked Witch and nobody has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/192">TS</a>]

00:03:14   the witch come yeah thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/194">TS</a>]

00:03:16   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/196">TS</a>]

00:03:17   monkeys so all so but the thing is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/197">TS</a>]

00:03:22   know when you ask me like how's my week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/202">TS</a>]

00:03:23   going all that was last week that ended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/203">TS</a>]

00:03:26   last night this is a brand new week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/206">TS</a>]

00:03:28   today is a this is all new yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/208">TS</a>]

00:03:31   true that's true but I had a friend in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/211">TS</a>]

00:03:34   town who was here to see the con and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/214">TS</a>]

00:03:36   just got up early a and went out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/216">TS</a>]

00:03:41   house B to meet her for coffee you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/221">TS</a>]

00:03:45   kidding me before the show hang on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/225">TS</a>]

00:03:48   oh yes you sure you sure you didn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/228">TS</a>]

00:03:51   your clock wrong on this very day where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/231">TS</a>]

00:03:53   you record with me at 10:00 a.m. Pacific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/233">TS</a>]

00:03:55   time you were already up and you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/235">TS</a>]

00:03:57   already been out of the house and talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/237">TS</a>]

00:03:58   to somebody was close I got up I started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/238">TS</a>]

00:04:02   the truck and let it warm up I got out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/242">TS</a>]

00:04:04   with a glove and wiped the frost off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/244">TS</a>]

00:04:07   windows drove to Randy's I had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/247">TS</a>]

00:04:12   chicken-fried steak in eggs oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/252">TS</a>]

00:04:15   and then back in the saddle at 10:03 you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/255">TS</a>]

00:04:21   ate a chicken-fried steak this morning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/261">TS</a>]

00:04:24   and you're still awake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/264">TS</a>]

00:04:25   I already I'm just and I'm going to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/265">TS</a>]

00:04:27   radio appearance after our show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/267">TS</a>]

00:04:29   going to my psychiatrist no and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/269">TS</a>]

00:04:32   after that I think I'm going to dinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/272">TS</a>]

00:04:35   like fancy dinner somebody's doing all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/275">TS</a>]

00:04:37   these things in one day and one single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/277">TS</a>]

00:04:39   day so making up for all the other days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/279">TS</a>]

00:04:41   where I never do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/281">TS</a>]

00:04:43   it's a catch-up day well you can't catch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/283">TS</a>]

00:04:46   up oh man I've written down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/286">TS</a>]

00:04:48   chicken-fried steak cuz I need to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/288">TS</a>]

00:04:50   to you about food and sleep oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/290">TS</a>]

00:04:52   I'm so proud of you what a day and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/292">TS</a>]

00:04:55   only you shook it off you shook it off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/295">TS</a>]

00:04:56   even though the McElroy's and the greens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/296">TS</a>]

00:04:58   is is did not invite you to their con [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/298">TS</a>]

00:05:00   you see you shook it off and you got you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/300">TS</a>]

00:05:02   got right back in the fray got back on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/302">TS</a>]

00:05:03   course that's right that's right boots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/303">TS</a>]

00:05:06   on the ground on the way home I started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/306">TS</a>]

00:05:10   singing as you sometimes do I started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/310">TS</a>]

00:05:13   singing in the air tonight Phil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/313">TS</a>]

00:05:15   Collins's first solo hit its magnum opus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/315">TS</a>]

00:05:19   in many ways and you know of course I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/319">TS</a>]

00:05:23   was having the regular thoughts that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/323">TS</a>]

00:05:24   have about it what an unusual single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/324">TS</a>]

00:05:27   what a what an extraordinary choice to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/327">TS</a>]

00:05:31   have as a first single who would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/331">TS</a>]

00:05:33   thought yeah at this weird song and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/333">TS</a>]

00:05:37   I did the thing that I very seldom do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/337">TS</a>]

00:05:39   which as I said you know even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/339">TS</a>]

00:05:42   today is not like Phil Collins day I I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/342">TS</a>]

00:05:48   gonna spend just like two minutes while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/348">TS</a>]

00:05:50   I'm sitting at this traffic light to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/350">TS</a>]

00:05:53   a little bit more familiar with in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/353">TS</a>]

00:05:55   air tonight a song that I feel like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/355">TS</a>]

00:05:56   know like at like as well as my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/356">TS</a>]

00:06:00   shirt mmm-hmm yeah when I did we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/360">TS</a>]

00:06:04   lived in that song for a long time oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/364">TS</a>]

00:06:05   four years right yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/365">TS</a>]

00:06:07   up and down with in the air tonight and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/367">TS</a>]

00:06:12   I went and I looked at the lyrics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/372">TS</a>]

00:06:13   because I was assuming because in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/373">TS</a>]

00:06:18   the years that we've been listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/378">TS</a>]

00:06:19   the song you there's so much story in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/379">TS</a>]

00:06:23   and I was assuming that there were some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/383">TS</a>]

00:06:27   lyrics that I that I didn't know there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/387">TS</a>]

00:06:30   was some third verse that I'd never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/390">TS</a>]

00:06:31   really looked at that was gonna that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/391">TS</a>]

00:06:35   when I read those lyrics I was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/395">TS</a>]

00:06:37   gonna be like wow gobsmacked or I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/397">TS</a>]

00:06:40   going to be disappointed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/400">TS</a>]

00:06:43   so I'm sitting at the stoplight I look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/403">TS</a>]

00:06:46   up in the air tonight lyrics and I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/406">TS</a>]

00:06:49   them and I realize oh I know them all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/409">TS</a>]

00:06:52   yeah there may be less than you even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/412">TS</a>]

00:06:54   thought yeah I know the lyrics there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/414">TS</a>]

00:06:56   only two verses and we could all sing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/416">TS</a>]

00:06:59   all the way through right now yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/419">TS</a>]

00:07:02   and even more of an accomplishment that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/422">TS</a>]

00:07:07   there's there's nothing in the lyrics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/427">TS</a>]

00:07:10   you know we all think like oh there he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/430">TS</a>]

00:07:13   must have witnessed a murder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/433">TS</a>]

00:07:14   oh yeah around four years that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/434">TS</a>]

00:07:18   has since been don't email me I this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/438">TS</a>]

00:07:21   three went around for a long time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/441">TS</a>]

00:07:22   it was about actually literally watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/442">TS</a>]

00:07:24   somebody drown yeah right like watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/444">TS</a>]

00:07:26   watching sting killed his first wife or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/446">TS</a>]

00:07:28   saw Mike ID in 3/4 time yeah please do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/448">TS</a>]

00:07:31   not write me like that no but it turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/451">TS</a>]

00:07:34   out it couldn't you know the language is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/454">TS</a>]

00:07:36   broad enough he could just be mad at his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/456">TS</a>]

00:07:39   next-door neighbor this could just be an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/459">TS</a>]

00:07:41   argument he's having with his sister [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/461">TS</a>]

00:07:43   like if I saw you drowning I wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/463">TS</a>]

00:07:45   even lend a hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/465">TS</a>]

00:07:45   that's that's the meanest thing in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/465">TS</a>]

00:07:48   the rest of it is just like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/468">TS</a>]

00:07:50   what you did you know you know what grin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/470">TS</a>]

00:07:54   yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/474">TS</a>]

00:07:56   the only the only reason that it is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/476">TS</a>]

00:08:00   I mean we just we add all that Menace to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/480">TS</a>]

00:08:03   it and I think it's in his voice I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/483">TS</a>]

00:08:06   here the characteristics of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/486">TS</a>]

00:08:08   production don't you think yeah that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/488">TS</a>]

00:08:10   miss appearance right it's the sound of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/490">TS</a>]

00:08:12   a foreboding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/492">TS</a>]

00:08:14   but but anyway so I just came away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/494">TS</a>]

00:08:18   that experience I it's not like I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/498">TS</a>]

00:08:19   heard the song I it's not like it was on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/499">TS</a>]

00:08:21   the radio nothing inspired me to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/501">TS</a>]

00:08:25   nowhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/505">TS</a>]

00:08:26   yeah I just had some chicken-fried steak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/506">TS</a>]

00:08:28   and I was like whatever do you cover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/508">TS</a>]

00:08:41   that that'd be all right it's in line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/521">TS</a>]

00:08:48   with a lot of songs that are hard to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/528">TS</a>]

00:08:49   at karaoke and I think we've talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/529">TS</a>]

00:08:51   about this before but there's there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/531">TS</a>]

00:08:53   famous karaoke songs where you think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/533">TS</a>]

00:08:54   really think you know the song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/534">TS</a>]

00:08:56   probably shouldn't do that song because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/536">TS</a>]

00:08:58   you don't actually you you remember the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/538">TS</a>]

00:09:00   feel of it but you don't really remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/540">TS</a>]

00:09:02   where the stops and starts are and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/542">TS</a>]

00:09:04   one you know I'm saying it with this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/544">TS</a>]

00:09:06   there's a lot of air and in this tonight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/546">TS</a>]

00:09:08   you know what I'm saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/548">TS</a>]

00:09:09   so this song has a lot of space to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/549">TS</a>]

00:09:12   and Atmospheric sitting you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/552">TS</a>]

00:09:13   it's from the time around the time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/553">TS</a>]

00:09:15   Peter Gabriel was doing similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/555">TS</a>]

00:09:17   production to great success we think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/557">TS</a>]

00:09:20   about the first three Peter Gabriel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/560">TS</a>]

00:09:21   albums like they had a real feel to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/561">TS</a>]

00:09:23   there were very simples no symbols is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/563">TS</a>]

00:09:28   that true you know that story you took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/568">TS</a>]

00:09:30   the symbols away took the symbols away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/570">TS</a>]

00:09:31   he said gotta play the drums [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/571">TS</a>]

00:09:33   hate that drummers love their cymbals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/573">TS</a>]

00:09:35   well and I think he was the first one to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/575">TS</a>]

00:09:37   ever do it yeah I think drummers hate it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/577">TS</a>]

00:09:38   I think what drummers hate is Peter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/578">TS</a>]

00:09:40   Gabriel well they're a lot like dogs you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/580">TS</a>]

00:09:42   know ninety minutes don't forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/582">TS</a>]

00:09:43   everything anyway the guy who did who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/583">TS</a>]

00:09:52   did in the air tonight who did was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/592">TS</a>]

00:09:54   face value face value these dances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/594">TS</a>]

00:09:58   tonight face dances who produced this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/598">TS</a>]

00:10:18   you padam padam he also the guy was he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/618">TS</a>]

00:10:22   also Peter Gabriel man I think he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/622">TS</a>]

00:10:24   this is this is stuff that if I were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/624">TS</a>]

00:10:27   reading a copy of tape up magazine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/627">TS</a>]

00:10:30   mm-hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/630">TS</a>]

00:10:31   I would be like right in there right in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/631">TS</a>]

00:10:34   the thick of it throwing elbows but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/634">TS</a>]

00:10:39   sitting here you know sitting here just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/639">TS</a>]

00:10:41   on my hard stool little toadstool I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/641">TS</a>]

00:10:44   just like doo doo doo da people's first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/644">TS</a>]

00:10:47   album was produced by Bob Ezrin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/647">TS</a>]

00:10:49   bob is get over that shit right now come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/649">TS</a>]

00:10:53   on get out of Dodge so I kind of won I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/653">TS</a>]

00:10:57   pretty happy with that Solsbury Hill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/657">TS</a>]

00:10:58   business let's let's let's get the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/658">TS</a>]

00:11:00   from kiss see again like you can read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/660">TS</a>]

00:11:07   and tape up you'd be throwing elbows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/667">TS</a>]

00:11:08   right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/668">TS</a>]

00:11:09   this feels like a tape up article that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/669">TS</a>]

00:11:12   we should write sorry it's all I took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/672">TS</a>]

00:11:14   you way out took you out of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/674">TS</a>]

00:11:15   experience you've had an amazing morning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/675">TS</a>]

00:11:16   capping off a really turbulent week I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/676">TS</a>]

00:11:19   sitting here talking to you about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/679">TS</a>]

00:11:20   English producers shame on me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/680">TS</a>]

00:11:22   well it's not shame on it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/682">TS</a>]

00:11:23   situation like that if we if you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/683">TS</a>]

00:11:25   given it to the fix if you wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/685">TS</a>]

00:11:28   talk about the fix yeah that's too hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/688">TS</a>]

00:11:31   of a turn you feel no no I feel like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/691">TS</a>]

00:11:33   would have made the turn to the fix I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/693">TS</a>]

00:11:35   couldn't make the turn to kiss no no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/695">TS</a>]

00:11:40   met the bob ezrin part is all is all and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/700">TS</a>]

00:11:42   now we got Steve Lillywhite he says he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/702">TS</a>]

00:11:44   wouldn't work with the band more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/704">TS</a>]

00:11:45   twice but in the case of you two he made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/705">TS</a>]

00:11:47   an exception for war I feel like I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/707">TS</a>]

00:11:50   to and want to be a record producer oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/710">TS</a>]

00:11:54   yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/714">TS</a>]

00:11:55   I really do and I don't and when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/715">TS</a>]

00:11:59   listen to other people's production on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/719">TS</a>]

00:12:03   albums even ones that I love even where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/723">TS</a>]

00:12:06   I love the production as as in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/726">TS</a>]

00:12:11   evolution as a musician right when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/731">TS</a>]

00:12:12   you're young and you're just listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/732">TS</a>]

00:12:13   to music as a listener you don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/733">TS</a>]

00:12:15   hear production it's not a thing you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/735">TS</a>]

00:12:17   conscious of yeah it's the stuff you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/737">TS</a>]

00:12:19   not supposed to notice yeah there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/739">TS</a>]

00:12:21   lot of reverb on there but you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/741">TS</a>]

00:12:22   notice the subtleties of what's covering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/742">TS</a>]

00:12:25   the musical spectrum yeah you can't hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/745">TS</a>]

00:12:28   you can't hear the work of a producer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/748">TS</a>]

00:12:29   and then we all have I think the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/749">TS</a>]

00:12:32   experience which is most of us that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/752">TS</a>]

00:12:35   that didn't come up during a hip-hop era [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/755">TS</a>]

00:12:37   who came up during a guitar pop era our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/757">TS</a>]

00:12:42   first awareness of production comes when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/762">TS</a>]

00:12:43   we learn about George Martin and you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/763">TS</a>]

00:12:46   why the hell are the Beatles so good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/766">TS</a>]

00:12:47   it's like oh well the production and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/767">TS</a>]

00:12:51   then you get schooled on it and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/771">TS</a>]

00:12:53   start hearing the production on a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/773">TS</a>]

00:12:55   things like on Bohemian Rhapsody and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/775">TS</a>]

00:12:57   start hearing the production on then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/777">TS</a>]

00:12:59   then as you if you're a rock person you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/779">TS</a>]

00:13:03   start hearing these stories Oh John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/783">TS</a>]

00:13:04   Bonham wouldn't let him put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/784">TS</a>]

00:13:05   microphones close to the drum son oh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/785">TS</a>]

00:13:08   know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/788">TS</a>]

00:13:09   during the making of of those Pink Floyd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/789">TS</a>]

00:13:14   albums you know they they Roger was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/794">TS</a>]

00:13:18   asshole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/798">TS</a>]

00:13:19   well and it's all like tape loops that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/799">TS</a>]

00:13:21   Alan Parsons came up with it oh look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/801">TS</a>]

00:13:24   the camera he had the pan slowly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/804">TS</a>]

00:13:30   gorgeous Dave Gilmour God that guy was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/810">TS</a>]

00:13:32   handsome he's so wonderful I I did a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/812">TS</a>]

00:13:35   deep dive on Gilmour the other day but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/815">TS</a>]

00:13:36   don't too hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/816">TS</a>]

00:13:38   sorry and then then you hear the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/818">TS</a>]

00:13:41   about when they were making rumors and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/821">TS</a>]

00:13:42   they lifted up the tape and they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/822">TS</a>]

00:13:44   see through it because they had done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/824">TS</a>]

00:13:45   something cocaine off of it but then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/825">TS</a>]

00:13:50   get into making records like I did and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/830">TS</a>]

00:13:53   now you're confronted with production as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/833">TS</a>]

00:13:56   a very real thing that you're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/836">TS</a>]

00:13:59   you're learning and deeply engaged in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/839">TS</a>]

00:14:02   where you're like well wait a minute do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/842">TS</a>]

00:14:03   we like I had some profound production [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/843">TS</a>]

00:14:07   moments in the early long winters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/847">TS</a>]

00:14:10   records because I was collaborating with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/850">TS</a>]

00:14:12   Chris Walla and Chris had a very strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/852">TS</a>]

00:14:16   eye hand and come on and Ken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/856">TS</a>]

00:14:20   Stringfellow no no he's not listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/860">TS</a>]

00:14:32   the podcast well but but I can think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/872">TS</a>]

00:14:36   back to a couple of key moments in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/876">TS</a>]

00:14:41   in the production of that first record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/881">TS</a>]

00:14:45   where a production choice determined not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/885">TS</a>]

00:14:49   only the sound of the album but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/889">TS</a>]

00:14:51   sound of the band thence forth Wow when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/891">TS</a>]

00:14:57   I think back on those moments I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/897">TS</a>]

00:15:00   back on them as turning points and in at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/900">TS</a>]

00:15:03   least one case I wish I'd gone the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/903">TS</a>]

00:15:06   direction I'm so I'm so curious okay so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/906">TS</a>]

00:15:09   it's a song is it is it a particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/909">TS</a>]

00:15:12   song for the first album [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/912">TS</a>]

00:15:15   it was a sound okay it was a sound that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/915">TS</a>]

00:15:19   we got and it was in getting this sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/919">TS</a>]

00:15:25   and I'll tell you what the sound was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/925">TS</a>]

00:15:27   mm-hmm the sound was the sound of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/927">TS</a>]

00:15:34   Juno 106 roland synthesizer which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/934">TS</a>]

00:15:39   synthesizer that has a lot of you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/939">TS</a>]

00:15:42   manipulate a lot of parameters you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/942">TS</a>]

00:15:43   make it sound like a lot of things but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/943">TS</a>]

00:15:46   primarily you make it sound like a like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/946">TS</a>]

00:15:48   variations on a synthesizer they're good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/948">TS</a>]

00:15:50   at that they're really good it sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/950">TS</a>]

00:15:52   very like a synthesizer no matter to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/952">TS</a>]

00:15:54   and then we ran the synthesizer into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/954">TS</a>]

00:15:59   big muff Distortion a big muff fuzz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/959">TS</a>]

00:16:03   pedal and it created this this wall is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/963">TS</a>]

00:16:12   extremely pleasing the fat of stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/972">TS</a>]

00:16:22   fuzziness like a giant like a giant love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/982">TS</a>]

00:16:28   Caterpillar came in to the room and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/988">TS</a>]

00:16:31   wrapped me in its five thousand little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/991">TS</a>]

00:16:33   stubby green arms and it was like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/993">TS</a>]

00:16:41   a turning point an in-studio turning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1001">TS</a>]

00:16:44   point where here was this sound which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1004">TS</a>]

00:16:47   was this like maybe like a Copernicus it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1007">TS</a>]

00:16:51   was happening in the process of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1011">TS</a>]

00:16:54   exactly that that the we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1014">TS</a>]

00:16:57   experimenting with a song that did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1017">TS</a>]

00:16:59   have a band arrangement Copernicus was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1019">TS</a>]

00:17:02   this tune then because some of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1022">TS</a>]

00:17:03   stuff just for a background it's worth I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1023">TS</a>]

00:17:05   think it's worth mentioning that some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1025">TS</a>]

00:17:07   these have been western states a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1027">TS</a>]

00:17:10   hurricane songs that you had really if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1030">TS</a>]

00:17:13   you changed it up quite a lot I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1033">TS</a>]

00:17:14   it's really amazing to think about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1034">TS</a>]

00:17:16   many times you play car parts that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1036">TS</a>]

00:17:17   way and then made it into this pop song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1037">TS</a>]

00:17:19   you had reinvented some hurricane songs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1039">TS</a>]

00:17:22   and then there was new stuff starting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1042">TS</a>]

00:17:24   from scratch yeah trying to reinvent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:27   stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1047">TS</a>]

00:17:28   and and going from a band that was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:33   was like pretty post-grunge hard rock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1053">TS</a>]

00:17:38   you know the western state hurricanes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1058">TS</a>]

00:17:40   had big amplifiers and we were allowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1060">TS</a>]

00:17:41   band and we were in the studio and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1061">TS</a>]

00:17:44   are making this music that was indeed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1064">TS</a>]

00:17:48   proto proto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:49   indie rock maybe not proto but we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1069">TS</a>]

00:17:53   certainly in this in the new quiet as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1073">TS</a>]

00:17:55   the new loud school and i failed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1075">TS</a>]

00:17:58   quiet in new laughs but that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1078">TS</a>]

00:18:02   certainly that was the that was the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1082">TS</a>]

00:18:04   aesthetic and i hit and so Copernicus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1084">TS</a>]

00:18:08   used to be a big rock song and we and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1088">TS</a>]

00:18:12   wasn't we the only reason we were even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1092">TS</a>]

00:18:14   doing it is that we didn't have enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1094">TS</a>]

00:18:15   songs to make a whole album and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1095">TS</a>]

00:18:17   like well what about Copernicus and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1097">TS</a>]

00:18:19   sat down at the piano and I had never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1099">TS</a>]

00:18:22   played it on the piano before and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1102">TS</a>]

00:18:24   sort of tinkering right and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1104">TS</a>]

00:18:27   process of trying stuff out hit upon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:30   this sound and it's not it's not like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1110">TS</a>]

00:18:36   it's not like we were the first person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1116">TS</a>]

00:18:38   people never run a synthesizer into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1118">TS</a>]

00:18:39   big buff right it's a it's a fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1119">TS</a>]

00:18:44   common thing to try but it it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1124">TS</a>]

00:18:49   sound that I heard in my in my soul [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1129">TS</a>]

00:18:53   because what it sounded like was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1133">TS</a>]

00:18:56   really big fat guitar but that had no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1136">TS</a>]

00:19:00   strumming it was just you could play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1140">TS</a>]

00:19:03   chords you could make all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:05   transitions but there wasn't any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1145">TS</a>]

00:19:06   rhythmic aspect to the quartz it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1146">TS</a>]

00:19:10   like Dow now now now now now now now it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1150">TS</a>]

00:19:13   was just and you could put that in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1153">TS</a>]

00:19:22   have guitars on it and base on it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1162">TS</a>]

00:19:26   have rhythmic things and underneath it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1166">TS</a>]

00:19:29   there would be this like not just a low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1169">TS</a>]

00:19:32   tone but this like kind of just wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1172">TS</a>]

00:19:36   this wall of what communicated to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1176">TS</a>]

00:19:40   like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1180">TS</a>]

00:19:41   the biggest raucous sound and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:45   sitting in the studio and we're putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1185">TS</a>]

00:19:47   this down and my eyes are just as wide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1187">TS</a>]

00:19:52   as saucers and I'm like reinventing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1192">TS</a>]

00:20:00   everything in my mind and we you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1200">TS</a>]

00:20:02   we're not this isn't like during mixing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1202">TS</a>]

00:20:04   but but we're kind of far along in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1204">TS</a>]

00:20:08   recording and and I'm basically saying I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1208">TS</a>]

00:20:14   want this on everything okay like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1214">TS</a>]

00:20:21   made like pesto for the first time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1221">TS</a>]

00:20:24   know everything gets pesto yeah but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:27   it is it is the sound right I mean if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1227">TS</a>]

00:20:35   you when they were making my bloody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1235">TS</a>]

00:20:37   Valentines Lovelace he took his jazz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:42   master and he ran it in probably two a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1242">TS</a>]

00:20:44   big muff anyway he was like that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1244">TS</a>]

00:20:48   sound and he put everything that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:50   whammy bar thing kind of helps to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1250">TS</a>]

00:20:52   that sound I think of it that way for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:54   sure yeah for sure I mean if you if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1254">TS</a>]

00:20:56   read the interviews with him at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1256">TS</a>]

00:20:57   he's like we didn't use any synthesizers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1257">TS</a>]

00:20:59   on this it's very simple actually it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1259">TS</a>]

00:21:02   sounds amazing to you but you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1262">TS</a>]

00:21:04   thinking straight because it's just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1264">TS</a>]

00:21:07   basically two or three tracks of guitar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1267">TS</a>]

00:21:09   in it it's not this crazy thing the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1269">TS</a>]

00:21:13   you listen to it the less you feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1273">TS</a>]

00:21:15   you understand what's going on it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:19   good but it but but it's it's an example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1279">TS</a>]

00:21:21   and there are there are hundreds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1281">TS</a>]

00:21:23   examples of bands who just like The [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1283">TS</a>]

00:21:27   Strokes hit upon that vocal sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:30   mm-hm and I made that record and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1290">TS</a>]

00:21:36   anyway I came into the studio the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:39   day and the the the track that we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1299">TS</a>]

00:21:42   the track that this went down on was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1302">TS</a>]

00:21:45   Copernicus although Copernicus was where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:47   it blow boom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1307">TS</a>]

00:21:49   what's the one of the dr.dre on it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1309">TS</a>]

00:21:50   bone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:52   well what song am I thinking of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:55   some unsalted butter right right uh no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1315">TS</a>]

00:22:01   it was Meany really that this happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:04   on the first time and you know Mimi is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1324">TS</a>]

00:22:06   very thick production there's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1326">TS</a>]

00:22:08   going on in that production but and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1328">TS</a>]

00:22:11   thing is I'm I didn't hear this keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1331">TS</a>]

00:22:13   part being the loudest thing in the mix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:15   just that he existed that it was this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1335">TS</a>]

00:22:18   like that the chords had this additional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1338">TS</a>]

00:22:24   fatness that would have been a sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1344">TS</a>]

00:22:29   like a unifying sound on an album and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:33   would have been a unifying sound of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1353">TS</a>]

00:22:35   band whether or not you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:42   whether or not that sound would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1362">TS</a>]

00:22:44   appealed to people more than the sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1364">TS</a>]

00:22:45   that we went with I have no idea and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1365">TS</a>]

00:22:48   don't it's not a thing that that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:52   we're speculating about but at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1372">TS</a>]

00:22:55   I was like production because there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1375">TS</a>]

00:23:01   wasn't a band the long winters weren't a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:03   band it wasn't like we were coming in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1383">TS</a>]

00:23:05   and trying to capture our sound it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1385">TS</a>]

00:23:08   like I was in them the rare position of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1388">TS</a>]

00:23:11   being able to say this is the sound of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1391">TS</a>]

00:23:15   new band and I came in the next day and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1395">TS</a>]

00:23:19   was like let's you know let's call that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1399">TS</a>]

00:23:23   up and Kris said yeah I what I tried to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1403">TS</a>]

00:23:31   like make that work and I couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1411">TS</a>]

00:23:35   really make it work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1415">TS</a>]

00:23:38   so I recorded over it oh oh that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1418">TS</a>]

00:23:46   aggressive for a billing hammer well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1426">TS</a>]

00:23:49   mean that was his and and that was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1429">TS</a>]

00:23:52   know it it was within the 10-minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:54   period that I had this like production [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:57   and then on the flip side of it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1437">TS</a>]

00:24:00   production [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1440">TS</a>]

00:24:02   because he perceived himself to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:04   producer and that wasn't where that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1444">TS</a>]

00:24:08   wasn't the direction he heard it going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1448">TS</a>]

00:24:10   and we had an argument about it but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1450">TS</a>]

00:24:15   was but he had erased it it wasn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1455">TS</a>]

00:24:19   the tracks down at this point no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1459">TS</a>]

00:24:22   everything was I mean we were we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1462">TS</a>]

00:24:24   far enough along in the making of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:26   record that this would have been a this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1466">TS</a>]

00:24:29   would have been a change of direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1469">TS</a>]

00:24:30   and and when you are in a situation like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:35   that where you feel like oh well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:38   know we've got to get this done we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1478">TS</a>]

00:24:41   have the time to do this now and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1481">TS</a>]

00:24:43   look at it from my perspective 15 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1483">TS</a>]

00:24:46   later and you go you know you had all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1486">TS</a>]

00:24:48   the time in the world to make those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1488">TS</a>]

00:24:51   decisions like yeah the famous adage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1491">TS</a>]

00:24:53   right you know about your whole life to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1493">TS</a>]

00:24:55   make your first record right you only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:57   have a year to make your second record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1497">TS</a>]

00:24:58   right and he didn't you know that wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1498">TS</a>]

00:25:04   the sound of production that he had in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:07   mind and and at that point in his career [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:12   he didn't see his job as being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:16   facilitate the artist as much as his job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1516">TS</a>]

00:25:19   was be pay a guide to the artist or be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1519">TS</a>]

00:25:30   collaborator a co-author [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:34   so everything that followed from there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:38   like the second record I took a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:41   greater hand in in making production [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1541">TS</a>]

00:25:45   decisions for better and for worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1545">TS</a>]

00:25:48   because I was learning production and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1548">TS</a>]

00:25:51   not always you know I at that point kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:54   of needed a mentor anyway like like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1554">TS</a>]

00:25:59   lot of things in music as I learned more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1559">TS</a>]

00:26:01   and more about production and as I heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1561">TS</a>]

00:26:03   it more and more then I couldn't listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1563">TS</a>]

00:26:06   to a record without hearing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:07   production hearing it in some cases a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1567">TS</a>]

00:26:09   long time before I was listening to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:11   song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1571">TS</a>]

00:26:13   until production was my primary path [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:21   into music and I think I arrived at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1581">TS</a>]

00:26:28   place where if the production is if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1588">TS</a>]

00:26:31   production doesn't grab me right away I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1591">TS</a>]

00:26:33   don't want to hear the production now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1593">TS</a>]

00:26:36   you know like if if like I keep going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1596">TS</a>]

00:26:42   back to this band always from Canada who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:46   I think have great production and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:49   new Portugal demand song I think has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:51   great production and I want to listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:53   and you know Beck records have great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1613">TS</a>]

00:26:55   production I want to listen to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1615">TS</a>]

00:26:56   production on those things but like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1616">TS</a>]

00:26:59   bad production I it's like listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1619">TS</a>]

00:27:03   a bad podcast I just get a you know my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1623">TS</a>]

00:27:08   shoulders hunched up I get that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1628">TS</a>]

00:27:09   lemon just sucked on a lemon face and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:14   just have to I just have to get out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1634">TS</a>]

00:27:16   it I don't want to I don't want to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:18   it we thought without naming names what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:20   do you think of we need to go what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1640">TS</a>]

00:27:21   you're calling bad production what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:22   is the hallmark of what you consider bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1642">TS</a>]

00:27:24   production well how it makes you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1644">TS</a>]

00:27:27   anything with vocoder honor Oh or like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1647">TS</a>]

00:27:30   auto-tune anything with anything with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1650">TS</a>]

00:27:33   what I mean vocoder in particular even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1653">TS</a>]

00:27:35   more than auto-tune is an effect that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1655">TS</a>]

00:27:40   now I mean it's considered almost like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1660">TS</a>]

00:27:45   de rigueur still if you're making a kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1665">TS</a>]

00:27:49   of record absolutely I mean that Kanye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1669">TS</a>]

00:27:51   record that came out I think he works it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:55   sometimes well yeah but it was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1675">TS</a>]

00:27:59   superfluous to need uh as he used it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1679">TS</a>]

00:28:04   this most recent record and the thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:05   it's know it no longer I understand that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1685">TS</a>]

00:28:07   to us to listeners within the auto-tune [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1687">TS</a>]

00:28:14   slash vocoder genre it is as necessary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1694">TS</a>]

00:28:18   to the sound of the music as distorted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1698">TS</a>]

00:28:21   guitars are to metal it's just the sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1701">TS</a>]

00:28:24   it is the sound of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:26   but I just find it like so dull with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1706">TS</a>]

00:28:31   just don't win it as a sound and when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:38   hear it I just go just I'm just I'm out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1718">TS</a>]

00:28:42   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1722">TS</a>]

00:28:43   and you know the same is true of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1723">TS</a>]

00:28:49   super super gloss on stuff that I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:55   and this isn't just coming from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1735">TS</a>]

00:28:57   low-fiber spective but what are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1737">TS</a>]

00:28:59   where everything has been glossed to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1739">TS</a>]

00:29:02   point where there's no it's not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1742">TS</a>]

00:29:04   conceivable that there would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1744">TS</a>]

00:29:05   imperfection in it and I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:08   probably have that same feeling like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1748">TS</a>]

00:29:10   super gloss just puts me out on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:11   sidewalks it's it's it's weird cuz I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1751">TS</a>]

00:29:15   I'm somewhat out of the vernacular on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1755">TS</a>]

00:29:17   lot of stuff I mean I'll know like I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:19   recognize something as part of this like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1759">TS</a>]

00:29:20   two to three year long trend you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1760">TS</a>]

00:29:24   but it's sometimes something comes along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:27   that is is very new and you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1767">TS</a>]

00:29:30   notice it I mean for vocoder you go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:32   to let's say you know zap and Roger or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1772">TS</a>]

00:29:35   something where like they or I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1775">TS</a>]

00:29:37   Peter Frampton before that but but zap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:39   and Roger turning into a little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:40   an art form maybe beat it to death but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1780">TS</a>]

00:29:42   like they did they did something you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:43   know more bounce to the ounce like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1783">TS</a>]

00:29:45   that's that that is the sound of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1785">TS</a>]

00:29:47   vocoder to me it's something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1787">TS</a>]

00:29:48   um and then eventually there will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:50   people who reintroduce it like Cher yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1790">TS</a>]

00:29:56   supposedly started as an accident I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1796">TS</a>]

00:29:58   think it did and it's it sounds like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1798">TS</a>]

00:30:00   accident but I think do you believe in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:02   life after love was the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1802">TS</a>]

00:30:05   turned vocoder from a thing in a memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:09   of the distant past to a thing now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:12   you can't you know you can't turn on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1812">TS</a>]

00:30:13   radio without hearing right it felt it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1813">TS</a>]

00:30:15   felt very modern but I'm thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:17   I don't go to deep down a rabbit hole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1817">TS</a>]

00:30:20   but there's lots of stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1820">TS</a>]

00:30:21   where like you just but sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1821">TS</a>]

00:30:23   somebody is able to take something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1823">TS</a>]

00:30:24   seems like it's been pretty tired and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:26   mix it up but but it's it is that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:28   is this sense to me of like even in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1828">TS</a>]

00:30:30   genre that I'm not super familiar with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1830">TS</a>]

00:30:31   and this is probably cuz I'm an old man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1831">TS</a>]

00:30:34   I will tend to tune out rather quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:35   if it sounds like pretty much all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1835">TS</a>]

00:30:37   other stuff I've her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1837">TS</a>]

00:30:39   mmm-hmm but like for example like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1839">TS</a>]

00:30:41   not the biggest Bon Iver fan in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:43   world like I'd like his stuff okay but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1843">TS</a>]

00:30:45   he was on the recently renamed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:47   christieelee show last night boy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:52   thing he did was weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:54   I I don't know what he was doing he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1854">TS</a>]

00:30:57   the song I don't know he's doing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1857">TS</a>]

00:30:59   leet speak for all the titles of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1859">TS</a>]

00:31:01   songs but it's something something 45 is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:03   the name of this song I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1863">TS</a>]

00:31:05   in the hell instrument or instruments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:07   he's playing but unless he had brought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1867">TS</a>]

00:31:10   with them like some exquisitely talented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:14   string and winds group I think it must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:17   have been I need to find out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:20   instrument he's playing on this because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:21   I don't think it's live instruments it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1881">TS</a>]

00:31:22   could have been it was so tight it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:24   unbelievable but it was weird it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1884">TS</a>]

00:31:26   ghostly and it made me really perk up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1886">TS</a>]

00:31:27   and III sat and I put down what I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:30   doing and I listened to the song like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1890">TS</a>]

00:31:32   gentleman and it's something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1892">TS</a>]

00:31:33   you realize that that however he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1893">TS</a>]

00:31:35   accomplished that it worked like this so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1895">TS</a>]

00:31:38   he did something really differently and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1898">TS</a>]

00:31:39   it really caught me and it didn't hurt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:41   that the song was also you know it had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1901">TS</a>]

00:31:44   really great feel to it so I I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:46   know I mean I still think there's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1906">TS</a>]

00:31:47   much room for something to really catch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:49   your ear and spark your feeling that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:51   that googly feeling in your gut of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:54   oh this is exciting and new and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1914">TS</a>]

00:31:56   really glad that somebody went there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1916">TS</a>]

00:31:58   with this you know that that most recent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1918">TS</a>]

00:32:01   boniva record which is called 22 comma a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:04   million kind of like Portugal is now the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:07   man I have and it's an example of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1927">TS</a>]

00:32:11   record that i sat with utterly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:14   fascinated by the production and to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:19   point that i was yelling at the speakers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1939">TS</a>]

00:32:21   about it because because listening to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:27   there are astonishing choices being made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:31   and you could feel the choices are at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:37   least I could feel the choices being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1957">TS</a>]

00:32:39   made as they went down and and I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:42   that experience of being like yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:46   yes and then you know just like doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1966">TS</a>]

00:32:52   that that incredible thing that you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:54   from an artist which is making a choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:56   that both is incredibly gratifying in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1976">TS</a>]

00:33:00   way where it feels like obvious slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:06   almost pandering to my basest needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1986">TS</a>]

00:33:08   mm-hmm but also completely surprising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:11   and not at all what I and it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:13   feel right you know just like Wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:16   awesome like that was it you yes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:20   that's one thing in in this age we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:22   all so much for media especially movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:24   but in many cases music is so if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2004">TS</a>]

00:33:26   really I hate to be a karma suck but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:28   you really really keep scratching at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2008">TS</a>]

00:33:30   surface you realize how much stuff is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:31   based on nostalgia or how much stuff is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2011">TS</a>]

00:33:33   based on not just a reboot but on like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:35   repackaging something really familiar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2015">TS</a>]

00:33:37   and I felt kind of kind of unmoored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2017">TS</a>]

00:33:40   listening to that song like I'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:42   what this thing is but it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:43   listening to Eno back in the day or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2023">TS</a>]

00:33:44   something we were like what what planet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:46   is this from well and and so there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2026">TS</a>]

00:33:50   there's a keyboard the first time I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2030">TS</a>]

00:33:52   it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2032">TS</a>]

00:33:53   Jonathan Coulton had it and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:56   started to see it in the hands of a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2036">TS</a>]

00:33:58   of musicians that I respected and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2038">TS</a>]

00:34:00   a it was a thing that people were just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2040">TS</a>]

00:34:03   pulling out of their bag right we'd be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:05   sitting around and I would come this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2045">TS</a>]

00:34:07   little keyboard and it's smaller then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2047">TS</a>]

00:34:09   then an sk7 it's this tiny little thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2049">TS</a>]

00:34:15   it's like it's longer than a paperback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2055">TS</a>]

00:34:17   book but thinner than a paperback book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2057">TS</a>]

00:34:19   and it's and it's and it's beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2059">TS</a>]

00:34:21   it's made out of like brushed aluminum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:23   and it's it's uh it's like a it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:30   machined so beautifully and it's called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:34   a it's called the op1 okay Wow and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:44   a it's a little just a little synth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:46   that's made in Stockholm cause this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:51   thing is gorgeous it's gorgeous and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:55   is a synth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:56   and it's a sequencer and it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2096">TS</a>]

00:34:59   it does all these fun things that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2099">TS</a>]

00:35:09   hang on I'm I'm looking up I said I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2109">TS</a>]

00:35:14   sk7 but what I meant was sk-1 like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:17   Casio the little caffeine yeah I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:19   but this is teenaged if you wanna Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:20   this is teenage engineering Opie - one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:23   and so this is a thing as it looks it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2123">TS</a>]

00:35:26   looks like it would be difficult to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2126">TS</a>]

00:35:27   if this were a prop in a movie it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:30   be hard to know what decade it's from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2130">TS</a>]

00:35:32   apart you know what I mean it's it's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2132">TS</a>]

00:35:34   a timeless kind of wackadoo digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2134">TS</a>]

00:35:36   quality to it it does and it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:39   it's very gratifying to have in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:40   hands like when you press down the keys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:42   they feel really satisfyingly kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2142">TS</a>]

00:35:48   solid it's it's a small enough to guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2148">TS</a>]

00:35:51   that from looking at this it looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:52   it's just little like like little like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:54   the pads on like a cheap laptop no it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2154">TS</a>]

00:35:57   not cheap at all it's just it's clicky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2157">TS</a>]

00:35:59   and it's chunky and it just fit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2159">TS</a>]

00:36:02   considering how small it is at that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2162">TS</a>]

00:36:05   it fits in a it fits in your like your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2165">TS</a>]

00:36:09   messenger bag it is surprisingly heavy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:12   like it's milled there's no plastic on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2172">TS</a>]

00:36:14   it like dance it's dense and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2174">TS</a>]

00:36:18   big so you could it's not like you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2178">TS</a>]

00:36:19   sit and like play the grand piano on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:22   but within it it has its own it has all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2182">TS</a>]

00:36:26   this processing power I can you can loop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2186">TS</a>]

00:36:28   you there's drums in it you can you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2188">TS</a>]

00:36:31   kind of make all kinds of music out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:34   it and Colton pulled it out of his bag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:36   and I was like whoa what's that and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:37   was like check it out and he's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2197">TS</a>]

00:36:39   mr. gizmo and so he has pants he'll get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:44   these things and he'll play him for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:45   while and then they'll kind of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2205">TS</a>]

00:36:47   they end up on his on his gizmo wall and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2207">TS</a>]

00:36:50   he uses them for sure but like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:53   if you've ever seen him on tour right he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2213">TS</a>]

00:36:55   pulls out something that whatever that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:58   crazy is he plays that thing that thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:05   was that thing was a piece of joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2225">TS</a>]

00:37:07   comedy equipment that he turned into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:09   well like ultimate ultra ultra joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:12   comedy thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:13   anyway so he really knows what he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2233">TS</a>]

00:37:15   doing with he does good I'm gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:17   to say like I am not much of a musician [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2237">TS</a>]

00:37:19   but watching him play that it looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:20   there's a million ways that thing could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:22   go horribly wrong yeah I mean he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2242">TS</a>]

00:37:25   genius there's no argument stream anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2245">TS</a>]

00:37:27   so I started seeing this op1 get pulled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2247">TS</a>]

00:37:29   out of bags backstage all the time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2249">TS</a>]

00:37:32   know it's the type of thing that Matthew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:33   cause suddenly had won and and and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2253">TS</a>]

00:37:38   the the problem is it's a thousand bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2258">TS</a>]

00:37:41   and so it was the type of thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:45   when I first saw it I felt like I gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:47   get one of those but then it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2267">TS</a>]

00:37:51   thousand bucks which is not cheap and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:55   the thing about an sk1 was that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2275">TS</a>]

00:37:57   it was cheap it was cheap when it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2277">TS</a>]

00:37:59   new and I mean I used to find them at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2279">TS</a>]

00:38:01   thrift stores for for five to ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:03   dollars this is a thousand bucks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:05   it's absolutely worth it feels worth it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:07   but it turned out that almost everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:11   on that record 22 comma a million were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:17   either made with or run through an Opie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2297">TS</a>]

00:38:22   one wow that is super interesting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2302">TS</a>]

00:38:26   little fucking gizmo he and this is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2306">TS</a>]

00:38:30   know boney bears whole trip right he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2310">TS</a>]

00:38:33   made that first record out in his dad's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:35   cabin on a on a tape machine made out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:39   a beer bottle and a raccoon tail and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:44   you go like well done like dude well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2324">TS</a>]

00:38:47   done like creative guy and when this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2327">TS</a>]

00:38:51   record came out part of the part of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2331">TS</a>]

00:38:53   experience of listening to it the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2333">TS</a>]

00:38:54   couple times was like oh ho well now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2334">TS</a>]

00:38:57   you're now you're mister got all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2337">TS</a>]

00:39:00   money in the world and so you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2340">TS</a>]

00:39:04   like you got a fare like yeah right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:08   you're making you're making like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2348">TS</a>]

00:39:09   billion dollar record in a studio you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:11   probably like every day somebody brings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2351">TS</a>]

00:39:14   in a giant tray of chopped crap all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:18   nobody needs and then the Dark Twisted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2358">TS</a>]

00:39:20   Fantasy Island he's out there and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:21   just hanging out on the couch for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2361">TS</a>]

00:39:22   just months making the album right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:25   but in fact it's him with this fucking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2365">TS</a>]

00:39:28   little thing and and what I was yelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2368">TS</a>]

00:39:33   at about the production is that that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:36   was the best kind of yelling at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:39   radio for me now which is that I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2379">TS</a>]

00:39:42   feel myself in that chair I could feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2382">TS</a>]

00:39:44   myself as the producer of that record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2384">TS</a>]

00:39:46   and I heard choices that I disagreed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:50   with and you know and the thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:53   they're tiny it's just like no no no no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2393">TS</a>]

00:39:55   no no don't you put the effect on it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2395">TS</a>]

00:39:58   first time then leave it off the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:01   time and when it came back or you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:03   feel it coming back around and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2403">TS</a>]

00:40:04   like you're gonna have that effect on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2404">TS</a>]

00:40:06   and that's the wrong choice and it came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:08   back around and it didn't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2408">TS</a>]

00:40:09   effect on and I was like no and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2409">TS</a>]

00:40:12   felt it every time it went by and I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2412">TS</a>]

00:40:15   this is like interacting with a widow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2415">TS</a>]

00:40:17   with a brilliantly produced thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:21   interacting with it not as a like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:25   passive listener not as somebody that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:27   like how is this Wow what's going but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2427">TS</a>]

00:40:29   somebody that where I was sitting there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2429">TS</a>]

00:40:31   like I know I know you agonized over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2431">TS</a>]

00:40:35   whether or not to do that and in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:38   you chose to do it and if I were there I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2438">TS</a>]

00:40:42   would have argued against it and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2442">TS</a>]

00:40:44   kind of like that kind of relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2444">TS</a>]

00:40:48   to production is like it is like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2448">TS</a>]

00:40:53   you become a musician and you first hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2453">TS</a>]

00:40:54   the bass line in god only knows and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2454">TS</a>]

00:40:58   you're like well now I can't ever hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2458">TS</a>]

00:41:00   it without hearing the I can never hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2460">TS</a>]

00:41:02   it without hearing that whatever that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:05   triangle because I'm because having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2465">TS</a>]

00:41:08   become conscious of it you can't ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:11   put it back in the box I want to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2471">TS</a>]

00:41:16   producer because I because it's an art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2476">TS</a>]

00:41:21   that I really identify with like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2481">TS</a>]

00:41:25   really I want I don't want to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2485">TS</a>]

00:41:28   producer that is like no I don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2488">TS</a>]

00:41:31   didn't hear that sound so I just erased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2491">TS</a>]

00:41:33   it I want to be a producer that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2493">TS</a>]

00:41:35   what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2495">TS</a>]

00:41:36   you know like what do you want and let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:39   find it but then but then advocating for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:44   that kind of thing like what if on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2504">TS</a>]

00:41:46   second one we didn't do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:47   what if we didn't go back right but so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2507">TS</a>]

00:41:50   way beyond an engineer but not at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2510">TS</a>]

00:41:53   point where you're just like a name that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2513">TS</a>]

00:41:54   gets slapped on it but you're somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2514">TS</a>]

00:41:55   who could say like here's here's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2515">TS</a>]

00:41:56   palette of things that might complement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2516">TS</a>]

00:41:58   what you've told me you're trying to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2518">TS</a>]

00:42:00   like I don't want to be an engineer at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2520">TS</a>]

00:42:02   all that that aspect of it I know enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:05   about to to say like here's what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2525">TS</a>]

00:42:08   hearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2528">TS</a>]

00:42:09   I want a side chain this so that it only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2529">TS</a>]

00:42:13   triggers the reverb when it goes above [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:15   this and the engineer knows what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2535">TS</a>]

00:42:18   talking about or I mean you know I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:20   want to be able to know the technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2540">TS</a>]

00:42:21   enough to be able to say here's what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:23   wanted here's what I mean well almost as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2543">TS</a>]

00:42:25   a director is - a DP or cinematographer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2545">TS</a>]

00:42:28   like you say like you go do your thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2548">TS</a>]

00:42:29   to go make it make look like this it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:31   the same you know how to do it then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2551">TS</a>]

00:42:33   can describe it in the terms that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2553">TS</a>]

00:42:35   I mean that's yeah but yeah you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2555">TS</a>]

00:42:36   people for that right and but not at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:40   like the slap your name on a thing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2560">TS</a>]

00:42:42   I want to be in the trenches with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2562">TS</a>]

00:42:45   artists making music because the because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:48   it's really hard to do for yourself it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2568">TS</a>]

00:42:51   really hard to be the writer/director [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2571">TS</a>]

00:42:55   star and you know and like producer of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2575">TS</a>]

00:42:59   your own film even if you're the writer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2579">TS</a>]

00:43:03   director star there's a producer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2583">TS</a>]

00:43:05   generally and and but breaking into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2585">TS</a>]

00:43:12   because there have been quite a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2592">TS</a>]

00:43:15   artists who have considered me as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2595">TS</a>]

00:43:18   producer I don't mean that they that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2598">TS</a>]

00:43:21   they call me their producer well but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:23   like yeah hey we're in the running for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:25   the role right I was in the running to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2605">TS</a>]

00:43:28   make the record and in and I've only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:30   ever recorded I've only ever produced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2610">TS</a>]

00:43:32   three albums that weren't connected to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2612">TS</a>]

00:43:35   me one of them was the most popular one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2615">TS</a>]

00:43:38   was Shelby Earls debut record and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2618">TS</a>]

00:43:42   super proud of Shelby Earl's debut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:45   record burn the boats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2625">TS</a>]

00:43:48   and I produced a record for a guy named [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:50   Eric Hauck who is currently the guitar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:53   player in Portugal the man and he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2633">TS</a>]

00:43:56   very mercurial guy and he never released [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2636">TS</a>]

00:43:58   it oh man it's a brilliant record and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2638">TS</a>]

00:44:02   but by which I mean he is a great player [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2642">TS</a>]

00:44:04   and his songs are great but he had he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2644">TS</a>]

00:44:08   had some he had whatever insecurities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2648">TS</a>]

00:44:11   about it and then he kind of feels like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2651">TS</a>]

00:44:15   oh well we made that 10 years ago and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2655">TS</a>]

00:44:18   it's not really relevant anymore it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:21   like it's a great record it's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:23   relevant and then I produced a record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2663">TS</a>]

00:44:26   for my niece Elizabeth Roderick that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2666">TS</a>]

00:44:29   also super proud of I think it's clay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2669">TS</a>]

00:44:32   imagine it's probably hard to find but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2672">TS</a>]

00:44:36   you know I was in the running to produce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2676">TS</a>]

00:44:38   Kathleen Edwards's record and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2678">TS</a>]

00:44:41   Kathleen Edwards started dating boney [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2681">TS</a>]

00:44:44   their son and the record label was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2684">TS</a>]

00:44:47   well we could pay to have this record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2687">TS</a>]

00:44:49   made by John Roderick or we could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2689">TS</a>]

00:44:53   it made by boney there who is at the at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:56   who was at that moment like number one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2696">TS</a>]

00:44:59   on the charts with a bullet and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:02   missed out on on producing that crack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2702">TS</a>]

00:45:04   record and I had a lot of angry things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2704">TS</a>]

00:45:08   to yell at the speaker's listening to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2708">TS</a>]

00:45:11   because he made a lot of choices for her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2711">TS</a>]

00:45:15   music that I wouldn't have I mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2715">TS</a>]

00:45:17   felt to me like obvious at the time like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2717">TS</a>]

00:45:20   yeah she's a female singer songwriter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2720">TS</a>]

00:45:22   with an acoustic guitar sure so you made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2722">TS</a>]

00:45:26   Yankee Hotel Foxtrot but that's not what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:31   I guess what the album wanted no I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2731">TS</a>]

00:45:34   think that's what the songs wanted I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2734">TS</a>]

00:45:36   don't think that's what she wanted in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2736">TS</a>]

00:45:37   her life at the time and but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2737">TS</a>]

00:45:41   that was very hard for her to say not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:44   sure because shit boney bears producing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:47   your record and oh also you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2747">TS</a>]

00:45:49   you're in a relationship with them it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2749">TS</a>]

00:45:50   very hard to be like you know I kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:53   we were half because you know she and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2753">TS</a>]

00:45:55   had been talking production we were not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2755">TS</a>]

00:45:57   halfway along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2757">TS</a>]

00:45:58   it was like I wanted to make I wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2758">TS</a>]

00:46:01   make that record sound like the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:02   Pretenders record I've only just hang [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/2762">TS</a>]

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00:53:40   say like well you know this is one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:42   we could try to do this the ability to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3222">TS</a>]

00:53:45   as you say keep things moving right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:48   look you like you like you would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3228">TS</a>]

00:53:50   with guitar solos' back in the day like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3230">TS</a>]

00:53:51   we're not gonna do this for TTS this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:52   not hound-dog we're not gonna do this 42 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3232">TS</a>]

00:53:54   times so what's the right amount of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3234">TS</a>]

00:53:55   how do you know when you're pushing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3235">TS</a>]

00:53:57   too far do you want to do like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3237">TS</a>]

00:53:58   finisher in a Kubrick where you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3238">TS</a>]

00:53:59   keep doing this until the person wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3239">TS</a>]

00:54:00   to kill you or do you say you got three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3240">TS</a>]

00:54:02   shots give me your best or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3242">TS</a>]

00:54:04   else because that's you know how that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3244">TS</a>]

00:54:05   works I just feel like it's so difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:08   for me to even concentrate on one and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:09   half things at a time it's amazing to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3249">TS</a>]

00:54:12   that that person could be somebody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3252">TS</a>]

00:54:14   could for example feel comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:16   talking to whoever owns Warner Brothers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3256">TS</a>]

00:54:18   this week like to be able to talk to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:20   people above you and sort of below you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3260">TS</a>]

00:54:22   and beside you keep everybody confident [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3262">TS</a>]

00:54:25   that this is on track it's a cask ill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3265">TS</a>]

00:54:27   set that makes my mind swim and I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3267">TS</a>]

00:54:29   you don't have to have all those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:30   you could just be affordable and patient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:33   but like to be really good at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:35   requires a set of skills that represents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:37   almost everything I'm more of a lot in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3277">TS</a>]

00:54:39   person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3279">TS</a>]

00:54:40   yeah it's a it is a set of skills that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:45   is that is I think a lot of people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3285">TS</a>]

00:54:49   the music world think it's a set of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3289">TS</a>]

00:54:52   skills that can be learned because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:54   there's so much effort put into software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3294">TS</a>]

00:54:58   recording software and recording gear of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3298">TS</a>]

00:55:03   all kinds there are so many boxes there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3303">TS</a>]

00:55:05   are so many instruction manuals and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3305">TS</a>]

00:55:09   era of the home recordists produced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3309">TS</a>]

00:55:13   thousands and thousands of people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3313">TS</a>]

00:55:16   could legitimately describe themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3316">TS</a>]

00:55:17   as producers because they have produced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3317">TS</a>]

00:55:20   albums on their Mac and as they got you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3320">TS</a>]

00:55:27   know they read the the data they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3327">TS</a>]

00:55:29   tested things out they tried they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:31   listened to other records they got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:33   really good drum sounds they got really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:35   good sounds ultimately they were making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3335">TS</a>]

00:55:39   they were engineering great records or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3339">TS</a>]

00:55:43   at least not maybe great records but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:45   they were they were able to engineer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:47   competently confident yeah even records [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:50   yeah but the there is like all art a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3350">TS</a>]

00:55:55   thing that cannot be learned that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3355">TS</a>]

00:55:58   feel and is emotion and when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3358">TS</a>]

00:56:02   talking to musicians about making a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3362">TS</a>]

00:56:03   record or when you're shepherding that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3363">TS</a>]

00:56:06   process you're dealing with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3366">TS</a>]

00:56:09   incredible world of like these are this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3369">TS</a>]

00:56:14   is in some ways like peak ego moments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3374">TS</a>]

00:56:18   for people but also the place where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3378">TS</a>]

00:56:21   are most vulnerable the music is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3381">TS</a>]

00:56:23   generally like coming from somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:24   inside them that they are maybe not in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3384">TS</a>]

00:56:28   contact with directly that's why it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3388">TS</a>]

00:56:31   coming out as music they're using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3391">TS</a>]

00:56:34   they're they're using their voices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3394">TS</a>]

00:56:35   they're using their bodies you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:39   dealing with multiple people multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3399">TS</a>]

00:56:40   and everybody's whether they know it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:42   not maybe doesn't know I was gonna say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3402">TS</a>]

00:56:44   agenda that's not the right way to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3404">TS</a>]

00:56:45   it but you know you're expected to rise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3405">TS</a>]

00:56:49   above you're paid you're compensated to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3409">TS</a>]

00:56:51   rise above all of that on some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3411">TS</a>]

00:56:53   you're empowered by somebody to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3413">TS</a>]

00:56:55   project manager for this piece of art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3415">TS</a>]

00:56:56   which is a lot of responsibility at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3416">TS</a>]

00:56:59   crucial level yes and at a crucial level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:02   you need to be right down in the blood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:06   and guts of it with people because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3426">TS</a>]

00:57:10   know there there are million producers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3430">TS</a>]

00:57:12   out there who have learned to do it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3432">TS</a>]

00:57:15   their Mac and they're sitting in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3435">TS</a>]

00:57:17   room and they're recording you and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3437">TS</a>]

00:57:19   singer go does it take and goes how was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3439">TS</a>]

00:57:21   that and the person on the other side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:24   goes it was good how did it sound to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3444">TS</a>]

00:57:26   mm-hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3446">TS</a>]

00:57:27   and that is not that's about as useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3447">TS</a>]

00:57:30   as when I say what do you want for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3450">TS</a>]

00:57:31   dinner and they say whatever you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:32   that's like well you know I'm asking you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3452">TS</a>]

00:57:33   because I don't want to have to decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:34   this on my own but you ought to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:36   great editor right you also so it's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3456">TS</a>]

00:57:38   thing and I'm not in any way trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3458">TS</a>]

00:57:40   diminish what I'm calling engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3460">TS</a>]

00:57:41   the the the skills and the mechanics of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3461">TS</a>]

00:57:44   spending years learning how to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3464">TS</a>]

00:57:47   sounds in a studio is amazing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3467">TS</a>]

00:57:50   certainly you know that through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3470">TS</a>]

00:57:52   compressors through the board all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3472">TS</a>]

00:57:53   through the entire stack that is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3473">TS</a>]

00:57:55   entire skill set but then to have mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3475">TS</a>]

00:57:57   mastered that plus be able to say let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3477">TS</a>]

00:58:00   leave out that second chorus or let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3480">TS</a>]

00:58:02   have the bass do this here or could we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:04   try it this way or why don't you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:05   record this in the bathroom or like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3485">TS</a>]

00:58:07   we're really just being able to say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3487">TS</a>]

00:58:08   song is not up to snuff or let's try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3488">TS</a>]

00:58:10   that vocal one more time that's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3490">TS</a>]

00:58:13   different skill from being able to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3493">TS</a>]

00:58:14   something that that doesn't overdrive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3494">TS</a>]

00:58:16   the speakers what I mean to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:19   go from competent to like you're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3499">TS</a>]

00:58:21   into this very hazy cloudy world of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3501">TS</a>]

00:58:24   it's very much value judgments well let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3504">TS</a>]

00:58:27   alone let alone being able to go into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3507">TS</a>]

00:58:32   the room sit down with a singer and go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3512">TS</a>]

00:58:35   you know you're singing this from from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3515">TS</a>]

00:58:40   place that isn't like reading as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3520">TS</a>]

00:58:42   completely believable because it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3522">TS</a>]

00:58:45   like you're singing it from from a space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3525">TS</a>]

00:58:50   where you're examining the you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3530">TS</a>]

00:58:53   examining the protagonist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3533">TS</a>]

00:58:55   and what the song and the song is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3535">TS</a>]

00:58:58   written in the language as though the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3538">TS</a>]

00:59:00   protagonist truly believed his situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:04   and not that he was being examined by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3544">TS</a>]

00:59:06   someone smarter than him so huh you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3546">TS</a>]

00:59:09   the singer you've written this song it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3549">TS</a>]

00:59:11   is in this person's voice and now you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3551">TS</a>]

00:59:13   afraid to be that person in the studio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3553">TS</a>]

00:59:15   and you're thinking you're smarter than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3555">TS</a>]

00:59:17   that person and now you're here singing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3557">TS</a>]

00:59:19   it with your tongue in your cheek and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3559">TS</a>]

00:59:21   it's not reading and to be able to save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3561">TS</a>]

00:59:24   that kind of thing to a singer in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3564">TS</a>]

00:59:27   language because different singers will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3567">TS</a>]

00:59:28   be able to hear that differently and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3568">TS</a>]

00:59:32   need to know the language of the person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3572">TS</a>]

00:59:34   you're talking to to be able to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3574">TS</a>]

00:59:36   something like that to them where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3576">TS</a>]

00:59:39   go right and then to be able to say one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3579">TS</a>]

00:59:44   way that you can accomplish that is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3584">TS</a>]

00:59:45   stop having your voice coming from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3585">TS</a>]

00:59:47   behind your eyeballs and start trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3587">TS</a>]

00:59:50   make your voice come from between your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3590">TS</a>]

00:59:52   nipples mm-hmm and then walk away you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3592">TS</a>]

00:59:55   know and and be able to connect the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3595">TS</a>]

00:59:58   intellectual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3598">TS</a>]

00:59:58   intellectual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3598">TS</a>]

01:00:00   perience of like you're not singing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:02   truthfully and then be able to give them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3602">TS</a>]

01:00:05   a physiological cue that sounds crazy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3605">TS</a>]

01:00:07   someone that isn't a singer be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3607">TS</a>]

01:00:09   you're putting the music behind your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3609">TS</a>]

01:00:10   eyes and you need to put it from behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3610">TS</a>]

01:00:12   your ears and you say that to a singer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3612">TS</a>]

01:00:15   you say that to a group of people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3615">TS</a>]

01:00:17   they're like what I mean that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3617">TS</a>]

01:00:19   sounds woowoo or it just sounds idiotic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3619">TS</a>]

01:00:21   but if you say it to a singer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3621">TS</a>]

01:00:24   they're in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3624">TS</a>]

01:00:25   in front of the microphone and they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3625">TS</a>]

01:00:27   like oh shit I was putting it behind my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3627">TS</a>]

01:00:29   eyes and then they put it behind their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3629">TS</a>]

01:00:30   ears which wasn't a thing that they'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3630">TS</a>]

01:00:32   ever thought of before and it works you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3632">TS</a>]

01:00:34   know that stuff so it's not like so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3634">TS</a>]

01:00:37   comparing that job to an engineer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3637">TS</a>]

01:00:40   like saying well this guy works on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3640">TS</a>]

01:00:43   this guy is like a genius at making this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3643">TS</a>]

01:00:46   racecar motor run really great so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3646">TS</a>]

01:00:50   means that he will probably also be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3650">TS</a>]

01:00:52   great team owner who's like and also a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3652">TS</a>]

01:00:57   great driving instructor and recruiter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3657">TS</a>]

01:00:59   of drivers who he has to persuade to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3659">TS</a>]

01:01:02   on his team yeah they're just it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3662">TS</a>]

01:01:04   it's utterly different but the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3664">TS</a>]

01:01:06   is that that guys who have taught [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3666">TS</a>]

01:01:08   themselves engineering on their max feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3668">TS</a>]

01:01:11   insulted by this the suggestion that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3671">TS</a>]

01:01:16   that what they're doing isn't production [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3676">TS</a>]

01:01:19   because it is and within you know within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3679">TS</a>]

01:01:22   the hip-hop world if you just make beats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3682">TS</a>]

01:01:25   you're called a producer like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3685">TS</a>]

01:01:28   actually the name of that job like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3688">TS</a>]

01:01:32   like oh I'm the producer and basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3692">TS</a>]

01:01:34   it's because the track is just somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3694">TS</a>]

01:01:37   rhyming over what you built your the 808 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3697">TS</a>]

01:01:40   estab a you know and you're probably not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3700">TS</a>]

01:01:46   in that job sitting there working with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3706">TS</a>]

01:01:50   the vocalist like about whether he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3710">TS</a>]

01:01:53   singing it from behind his eyes or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3713">TS</a>]

01:01:55   and there are you know like I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3715">TS</a>]

01:01:58   that if you're working with Rick Rubin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3718">TS</a>]

01:02:00   or you're working with dr. Dre they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3720">TS</a>]

01:02:01   involved at that level but there's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:04   of music that you can just tell it's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3724">TS</a>]

01:02:06   of the things when you listen to stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3726">TS</a>]

01:02:08   on the radio as a as a casual listener [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3728">TS</a>]

01:02:11   you're not often conscious of the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3731">TS</a>]

01:02:13   that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:13   the problem you're having with a song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:16   the reason you don't like it is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3736">TS</a>]

01:02:18   singer isn't isn't believable it within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3738">TS</a>]

01:02:22   the music that they themselves wrote and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3742">TS</a>]

01:02:26   it's because they got divorced from they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3746">TS</a>]

01:02:30   got divorced from what they wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3750">TS</a>]

01:02:31   at some point which isn't hard to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3751">TS</a>]

01:02:35   it's easy to get divorced it's why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3755">TS</a>]

01:02:38   can't listen to modern country because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3758">TS</a>]

01:02:41   don't believe it I don't believe any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3761">TS</a>]

01:02:43   it because of because the that vocal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3763">TS</a>]

01:02:46   style is so affected I recognize it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3766">TS</a>]

01:02:50   country I'm not trying to be one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3770">TS</a>]

01:02:52   those like Hank Williams guys but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3772">TS</a>]

01:02:54   when I hear things that are called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3774">TS</a>]

01:02:55   country music I'm like wow this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3775">TS</a>]

01:02:57   realize things evolved but this sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3777">TS</a>]

01:02:59   so much more like hip-hop than country [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3779">TS</a>]

01:03:01   to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3781">TS</a>]

01:03:02   well just in the sense that it's so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3782">TS</a>]

01:03:04   is so affect not affected in the way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3784">TS</a>]

01:03:07   would think but it's just every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3787">TS</a>]

01:03:10   little edge has been shaved off of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3790">TS</a>]

01:03:12   and it's auto-tune and super shiny and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3792">TS</a>]

01:03:14   it sounds like one of those Swedish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3794">TS</a>]

01:03:16   producers like made a country album but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3796">TS</a>]

01:03:18   not really like people kept talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3798">TS</a>]

01:03:20   about what this is this is the album [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3800">TS</a>]

01:03:21   where Taylor Swift is finally all off of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3801">TS</a>]

01:03:23   country and and can totally pop and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3803">TS</a>]

01:03:25   like I don't know man she's been pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3805">TS</a>]

01:03:27   pop for a while yeah right well and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:30   think the difference is that there's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3810">TS</a>]

01:03:32   that like that weird drawl a weird draw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3812">TS</a>]

01:03:36   that's that feels like San Francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3816">TS</a>]

01:03:38   punk bands that sing in English music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3818">TS</a>]

01:03:41   not just in the affectation of the voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3821">TS</a>]

01:03:42   yeah yeah right which is just like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3822">TS</a>]

01:03:45   yeah but Dolph's naked herb lamp lamp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3825">TS</a>]

01:03:48   lamp and it's like no it's all so corny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3828">TS</a>]

01:03:53   just adding a pedal steel at the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3833">TS</a>]

01:03:55   minute does not make this a country song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3835">TS</a>]

01:03:56   I heard that on the radio the other day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3836">TS</a>]

01:03:58   or no I guess I was in a store and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3838">TS</a>]

01:04:00   song came on and from the way that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3840">TS</a>]

01:04:03   drum sounded I was like how long till [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3843">TS</a>]

01:04:07   the pedal steel I was just counting it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3847">TS</a>]

01:04:08   down and then there it was like fine and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3848">TS</a>]

01:04:12   I'm like you know the pedal steel is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3852">TS</a>]

01:04:14   incredible instrument I mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3854">TS</a>]

01:04:16   incredible it's got so much to say and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3856">TS</a>]

01:04:18   so many different emotions it's awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3858">TS</a>]

01:04:21   if you put if you run it into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3861">TS</a>]

01:04:23   distortion box if you run it into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3863">TS</a>]

01:04:24   chorus pedal if you run it into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3864">TS</a>]

01:04:26   delay pedal it can do it's like us it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3866">TS</a>]

01:04:30   like a synthesizer I mean it can make so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3870">TS</a>]

01:04:32   many tones and it's so that it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3872">TS</a>]

01:04:34   it's like the country music saltshaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3874">TS</a>]

01:04:35   just it's so criminally underused it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3875">TS</a>]

01:04:38   just like wow like oh it's here it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3878">TS</a>]

01:04:41   this is a high lonesome song one more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3881">TS</a>]

01:04:44   high lonesome I mean thinking the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3884">TS</a>]

01:04:47   highlights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3887">TS</a>]

01:04:47   think about them the way just a lap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3887">TS</a>]

01:04:50   steel is used it within Hawaiian music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3890">TS</a>]

01:04:52   mm-hmm it creates all that spooky whims [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3892">TS</a>]

01:04:55   the sound of Hawaiian music and it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3895">TS</a>]

01:04:58   same it's the same instrument that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3898">TS</a>]

01:05:00   being used over here you know wow it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3900">TS</a>]

01:05:05   like oh fuck somebody should steal like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3905">TS</a>]

01:05:07   the great pedal steel player should all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3907">TS</a>]

01:05:10   march out of Nashville and just go start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3910">TS</a>]

01:05:13   you know they should just start working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3913">TS</a>]

01:05:15   with with the t-pain fucking do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3915">TS</a>]

01:05:21   something else yeah both both sides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3921">TS</a>]

01:05:24   everybody do something else we're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3924">TS</a>]

01:05:25   we're gonna flip it here we're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3925">TS</a>]

01:05:26   flip the switch mix it up a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3926">TS</a>]

01:05:28   yeah all the all the beat producers go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3928">TS</a>]

01:05:31   over to Nashville and all the pedal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3931">TS</a>]

01:05:32   steel players head out to LA into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3932">TS</a>]

01:05:34   downtown Atlanta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3934">TS</a>]

01:05:35   so usually when you mention something on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3935">TS</a>]

01:05:40   the show it's something you've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3940">TS</a>]

01:05:41   thinking about for a while I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3941">TS</a>]

01:05:42   sometimes it could be something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3942">TS</a>]

01:05:43   just coming out because you it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3943">TS</a>]

01:05:44   occurring to you is there something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3944">TS</a>]

01:05:45   you've been thinking about for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3945">TS</a>]

01:05:48   did you just recently realize you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3948">TS</a>]

01:05:51   been thinking about this for a while I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3951">TS</a>]

01:05:53   don't think that I I mean I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3953">TS</a>]

01:05:58   thinking about this ever since ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3958">TS</a>]

01:06:02   since the the the forth long winters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3962">TS</a>]

01:06:05   record went off that went off the trail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3965">TS</a>]

01:06:08   because in the making of the fourth long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3968">TS</a>]

01:06:12   winters record I was I had evolved to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3972">TS</a>]

01:06:15   the point where I I felt like I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3975">TS</a>]

01:06:18   doing pretty great production work and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3978">TS</a>]

01:06:21   that production work was such a separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3981">TS</a>]

01:06:27   job from my actual job of being the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3987">TS</a>]

01:06:31   songwriter and the singer and it was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3991">TS</a>]

01:06:34   some ways more interesting to me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3994">TS</a>]

01:06:38   what ended up happening was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/3998">TS</a>]

01:06:40   I I produced well effectively an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4000">TS</a>]

01:06:44   instrumental record I never went in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4004">TS</a>]

01:06:48   did my vocals and partly it was that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4008">TS</a>]

01:06:51   had that the the job of the vocals I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4011">TS</a>]

01:06:54   fulfilled with melodic instruments but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4014">TS</a>]

01:07:00   the record sounded great you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4020">TS</a>]

01:07:05   and I couldn't wait to mix it and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4025">TS</a>]

01:07:09   just this like this frustrating thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4029">TS</a>]

01:07:15   that I needed to figure out god I gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4035">TS</a>]

01:07:17   put vocals on this thing and in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4037">TS</a>]

01:07:19   I never did I never put vocals on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4039">TS</a>]

01:07:22   that record just sits there unfinished [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4042">TS</a>]

01:07:26   and the experience of of working on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4046">TS</a>]

01:07:33   production every day and and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4053">TS</a>]

01:07:35   conjunction with Erik Corson who has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4055">TS</a>]

01:07:38   become now a great producer in his own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4058">TS</a>]

01:07:42   right and was a great engineer even then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4062">TS</a>]

01:07:49   it felt like oh you know this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4069">TS</a>]

01:07:52   something I could do this is like a this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4072">TS</a>]

01:07:55   is another thing I could do now right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4075">TS</a>]

01:07:58   now the idea that in addition to having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4078">TS</a>]

01:08:02   three unfinished records for podcasts a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4082">TS</a>]

01:08:06   book deal that I haven't pursued that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4086">TS</a>]

01:08:11   what I also need to do is throw my hat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4091">TS</a>]

01:08:14   in the ring as a record producer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4094">TS</a>]

01:08:16   it's just feels like what I need to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4096">TS</a>]

01:08:19   is is figure out a method of finishing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4099">TS</a>]

01:08:23   things rather than chase down an mother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4103">TS</a>]

01:08:27   for you that's that's a that's a hell of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4107">TS</a>]

01:08:30   an insight well I mean it is it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4110">TS</a>]

01:08:37   much of an insight I mean that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4117">TS</a>]

01:08:40   very that's very practical you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4120">TS</a>]

01:08:44   had this list that's ten years old or 15 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4124">TS</a>]

01:08:46   years old of all the things that I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4126">TS</a>]

01:08:48   mean I've been trying to finish that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4128">TS</a>]

01:08:51   record for ten years I've been trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4131">TS</a>]

01:08:52   finish that book for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4132">TS</a>]

01:08:53   20 years mmm and there was graduate from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4133">TS</a>]

01:08:57   college was also on that list for 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4137">TS</a>]

01:09:01   years yeah I graduate from college I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4141">TS</a>]

01:09:03   to finish that book I got to finish that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4143">TS</a>]

01:09:05   album and every morning I would wake up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4145">TS</a>]

01:09:07   and there was no I never had a small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4147">TS</a>]

01:09:12   list like get your pants on get some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4152">TS</a>]

01:09:16   make some toast get out of the house you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4156">TS</a>]

01:09:19   know at the end of every day I never had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4159">TS</a>]

01:09:21   a list that I could that I could look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4161">TS</a>]

01:09:24   and say I checked everything off that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4164">TS</a>]

01:09:25   list good job at the end of every day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4165">TS</a>]

01:09:28   the only list I had was graduate from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4168">TS</a>]

01:09:32   college finished that book finished that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4172">TS</a>]

01:09:35   album and so at the end of every day all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4175">TS</a>]

01:09:39   I ever looked at was a list that seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4179">TS</a>]

01:09:41   real simple right it only had three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4181">TS</a>]

01:09:43   items on it and they were all items that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4183">TS</a>]

01:09:47   you know it it wasn't like start writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4187">TS</a>]

01:09:50   that book it was you up 450 pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4190">TS</a>]

01:09:53   written just to finish it huh as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4193">TS</a>]

01:09:55   retired productivity group guru I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4195">TS</a>]

01:09:57   tell you those are not easy items no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4197">TS</a>]

01:09:59   know because I spent 15 years looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4199">TS</a>]

01:10:02   that 3 item list and it was a drag to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4202">TS</a>]

01:10:08   never be able to check a single thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4208">TS</a>]

01:10:11   off of a list and I didn't I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4211">TS</a>]

01:10:13   understand the thought technology of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4213">TS</a>]

01:10:15   like make a stupid list of things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4215">TS</a>]

01:10:17   check them off and you'll feel good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4217">TS</a>]

01:10:18   about yourself at the end of the day and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4218">TS</a>]

01:10:21   also I've never been able to complete a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4221">TS</a>]

01:10:25   project by making small manageable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4225">TS</a>]

01:10:27   choices like all you need to do today is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4227">TS</a>]

01:10:31   go in and cross all the T's and dot all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4231">TS</a>]

01:10:33   the icer all you need to do today is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4233">TS</a>]

01:10:35   write 500 words or you know I've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4235">TS</a>]

01:10:37   been good at that well so last year 2016 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4237">TS</a>]

01:10:43   I think 2000 at December of 2015 I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4243">TS</a>]

01:10:47   that letter in the mail an envelope from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4247">TS</a>]

01:10:50   the University of Washington that shaped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4250">TS</a>]

01:10:52   like a diploma have I told you this no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4252">TS</a>]

01:11:00   got an I got a diploma shaped manila [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4260">TS</a>]

01:11:03   envelope from the University of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4263">TS</a>]

01:11:06   Washington so far so good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4266">TS</a>]

01:11:08   and I looked at it I was like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4268">TS</a>]

01:11:11   not that many things this could be and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4271">TS</a>]

01:11:15   think it is my diploma I think I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4275">TS</a>]

01:11:20   graduated from the University did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4280">TS</a>]

01:11:23   take you this long to open it my god I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4283">TS</a>]

01:11:25   would have torn that open well I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4285">TS</a>]

01:11:27   never opened oh I put it on the I put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4287">TS</a>]

01:11:32   on the bookshelf and it's still there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4292">TS</a>]

01:11:36   Wow and I look at it maybe not every day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4296">TS</a>]

01:11:41   but it's right there it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4301">TS</a>]

01:11:44   Schrodinger's diploma it is that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4304">TS</a>]

01:11:46   exactly right inside that envelope I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4306">TS</a>]

01:11:49   think is a diploma I think if I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4309">TS</a>]

01:11:53   online I could probably find out whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4313">TS</a>]

01:11:55   or not I had graduated but I don't I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4315">TS</a>]

01:11:57   not interested in doing that either and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4317">TS</a>]

01:11:59   as far as I know until I open that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4319">TS</a>]

01:12:02   envelope it's not official I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4322">TS</a>]

01:12:08   seems reasonable uh-huh I've never seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4328">TS</a>]

01:12:11   a diploma I don't even know what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4331">TS</a>]

01:12:15   would say what I don't even know what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4335">TS</a>]

01:12:17   like what do they look like even yeah is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4337">TS</a>]

01:12:20   it gonna say like graduated with honors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4340">TS</a>]

01:12:22   is it gonna say like barely eked by is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4342">TS</a>]

01:12:24   it gonna say spent twenty four years in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4344">TS</a>]

01:12:26   college white ribbon the white ribbon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4346">TS</a>]

01:12:32   well I'll speak for the audience why do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4352">TS</a>]

01:12:38   you suppose you haven't opened it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4358">TS</a>]

01:12:42   because you want it you want it to stay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4362">TS</a>]

01:12:44   a cat that could be alive or dead uh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4364">TS</a>]

01:12:48   don't know I mean it might be that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4368">TS</a>]

01:12:54   might be that if I open it then I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4374">TS</a>]

01:12:58   check one of those three things off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4378">TS</a>]

01:13:02   list I'll scratch one of those three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4382">TS</a>]

01:13:03   things off the list and it will it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4383">TS</a>]

01:13:07   both make the other two things seem even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4387">TS</a>]

01:13:09   like even starker now there's only two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4389">TS</a>]

01:13:14   things on the list but also you know to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4394">TS</a>]

01:13:18   carry around because it's not like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4398">TS</a>]

01:13:21   just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4401">TS</a>]

01:13:22   it's not like I waited 15 years to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4402">TS</a>]

01:13:26   graduate from college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4406">TS</a>]

01:13:27   I've waited 30 years to graduate from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4407">TS</a>]

01:13:30   college like I went into Gonzaga [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4410">TS</a>]

01:13:34   University as a freshman in September of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4414">TS</a>]

01:13:38   1987 and that's 30 years ago but I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4418">TS</a>]

01:13:45   thinking about going to college when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4425">TS</a>]

01:13:46   was 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4426">TS</a>]

01:13:48   yeah in 1977 and so to have graduated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4428">TS</a>]

01:13:59   and to have a diploma that's like there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4439">TS</a>]

01:14:01   it is University of Washington it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4441">TS</a>]

01:14:03   like you're ever going it's not like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4443">TS</a>]

01:14:04   have needed it right I'm 49 years old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4444">TS</a>]

01:14:07   and I have never needed it and I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4447">TS</a>]

01:14:11   like opening it and looking at it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4451">TS</a>]

01:14:13   having accomplished it like all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4453">TS</a>]

01:14:16   times in my life when I when having it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4456">TS</a>]

01:14:18   would have like when my dad was alive if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4458">TS</a>]

01:14:20   I had been able to to show it to him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4460">TS</a>]

01:14:23   say like I graduated from the University [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4463">TS</a>]

01:14:25   of Washington it would have meant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4465">TS</a>]

01:14:26   something to him it would have meant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4466">TS</a>]

01:14:30   something to my uncles but now I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4470">TS</a>]

01:14:35   I'm afraid of feeling underwhelmed I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4475">TS</a>]

01:14:39   afraid of it being like yeah yeah there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4479">TS</a>]

01:14:42   it was you always knew you could is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4482">TS</a>]

01:14:44   all there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4484">TS</a>]

01:14:44   yeah is there any chance it could be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4484">TS</a>]

01:14:48   opposite of a diploma is there any part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4488">TS</a>]

01:14:50   of your mind that worries that it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4490">TS</a>]

01:14:51   big piece of paper that says your window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4491">TS</a>]

01:14:53   is closed or do you something tells you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4493">TS</a>]

01:14:55   that it's a diploma apart from the shape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4495">TS</a>]

01:14:56   well yeah because because because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4496">TS</a>]

01:15:00   fall my the director of the comparative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4500">TS</a>]

01:15:06   history of ideas department John tabes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4506">TS</a>]

01:15:10   who took over in that role after Jim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4510">TS</a>]

01:15:14   Klaus died although John tapes was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4514">TS</a>]

01:15:17   always gym classes advisor gym class is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4517">TS</a>]

01:15:20   that the guy you were gonna go start a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4520">TS</a>]

01:15:21   civilization with that's right yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4521">TS</a>]

01:15:23   that's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4523">TS</a>]

01:15:23   and Jim Klaus died suddenly and John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4523">TS</a>]

01:15:26   tapes who had been his mentor decided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4526">TS</a>]

01:15:28   that rather than let the chit Department [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4528">TS</a>]

01:15:30   either dissolve or fall into the hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4530">TS</a>]

01:15:32   of a young unexperienced or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4532">TS</a>]

01:15:35   inexperienced professor John tabes was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4535">TS</a>]

01:15:37   like okay all right I'll be the shepherd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4537">TS</a>]

01:15:40   and guide Wow he's a pro he was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4540">TS</a>]

01:15:42   prominent AG alien John tames and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4542">TS</a>]

01:15:48   that fit in with you know what Jude did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4548">TS</a>]

01:15:51   and John was a friend and a mentor to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4551">TS</a>]

01:15:54   and he called me and said I'm retiring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4554">TS</a>]

01:16:00   from the University and when I go I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4560">TS</a>]

01:16:04   the last living link to anyone who ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4564">TS</a>]

01:16:08   taught you or like like actually saw you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4568">TS</a>]

01:16:14   as a living person rather than as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4574">TS</a>]

01:16:16   ghostly shamira that hovers over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4576">TS</a>]

01:16:19   chid Department like you know like I'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4579">TS</a>]

01:16:23   I'm a Griffin right like just some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4583">TS</a>]

01:16:26   winged lion and he said if I retire all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4586">TS</a>]

01:16:32   these little weird addenda that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4592">TS</a>]

01:16:34   attached to all the pieces of paper in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4594">TS</a>]

01:16:37   your file all the post-it notes that say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4597">TS</a>]

01:16:40   well this looks like that but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4600">TS</a>]

01:16:42   actuality it's this because he did that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4602">TS</a>]

01:16:45   and then this see somebody promised him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4605">TS</a>]

01:16:49   this and and you know and there's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4609">TS</a>]

01:16:53   dog tags in there and there's like so a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4613">TS</a>]

01:16:56   lock of somebody's hair you know like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4616">TS</a>]

01:16:59   do you feel like he was spinning it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4619">TS</a>]

01:17:01   like nah this is this is the time thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4621">TS</a>]

01:17:03   you need to do now oh he wasn't spinning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4623">TS</a>]

01:17:05   it he said it directly like let's give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4625">TS</a>]

01:17:07   these don't if you don't graduate now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4627">TS</a>]

01:17:10   it's going to be hard later to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4630">TS</a>]

01:17:14   anybody who's gonna believe it and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4634">TS</a>]

01:17:18   just need to like you've had enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4638">TS</a>]

01:17:19   credits to graduate since 2001 you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4639">TS</a>]

01:17:22   been putting it off for whatever a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4642">TS</a>]

01:17:24   thousand reasons you know Jim Klaus like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4644">TS</a>]

01:17:28   I went to see him in the hospital and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4648">TS</a>]

01:17:30   said don't don't not graduate because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4650">TS</a>]

01:17:35   it's not perfect like don't fail to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4655">TS</a>]

01:17:38   graduate because you think that you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4658">TS</a>]

01:17:41   it all to be perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4661">TS</a>]

01:17:44   just do it just hand in your shit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4664">TS</a>]

01:17:47   get out and I said you know and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4667">TS</a>]

01:17:50   like you know he's in the hospital on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4670">TS</a>]

01:17:53   his way and I said Jim I can't you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4673">TS</a>]

01:17:56   I can't do that I'm telling you I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4676">TS</a>]

01:18:00   telling you you understand how parts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4680">TS</a>]

01:18:02   college work but there are some parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4682">TS</a>]

01:18:04   you understand there are other parts you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4684">TS</a>]

01:18:05   don't seem to fully grasp yet that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4685">TS</a>]

01:18:07   idea is to be done with college yeah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4687">TS</a>]

01:18:09   need to you need to not like these poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4689">TS</a>]

01:18:13   people crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4693">TS</a>]

01:18:14   and let's just say to them it did it did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4694">TS</a>]

01:18:16   it did it drove them crazy they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4696">TS</a>]

01:18:18   like for all the effort that you've put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4698">TS</a>]

01:18:19   into this you can have four graduate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4699">TS</a>]

01:18:21   degrees why are you still here and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4701">TS</a>]

01:18:24   like that's nice you know I just have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4704">TS</a>]

01:18:25   this one other thing I want to do things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4705">TS</a>]

01:18:38   in the hospital like he's he's like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4718">TS</a>]

01:18:39   is my deathbed command to you all Jesus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4719">TS</a>]

01:18:42   and I said you know I read a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4722">TS</a>]

01:18:44   talking but I think you're not supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4724">TS</a>]

01:18:45   to refuse that I think if you get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4725">TS</a>]

01:18:47   deathbed command for somebody used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4727">TS</a>]

01:18:48   instruct you I think you're something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4728">TS</a>]

01:18:49   you're expected to follow it well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4729">TS</a>]

01:18:51   thing is you I think you're if you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4731">TS</a>]

01:18:53   yes sir and then defy the the promise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4733">TS</a>]

01:18:58   then you yes you know what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4738">TS</a>]

01:19:00   probably right but I sat there in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4740">TS</a>]

01:19:02   chair an argument I never agreed to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4742">TS</a>]

01:19:04   yeah to graduate from you're gonna stay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4744">TS</a>]

01:19:08   here until it's perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4748">TS</a>]

01:19:10   so James James had me come down to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4750">TS</a>]

01:19:14   college and you know and there's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4754">TS</a>]

01:19:16   upon the chid department wall there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4756">TS</a>]

01:19:18   long winters poster you know it's like i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4758">TS</a>]

01:19:20   am a samara or i am like a race a race [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4760">TS</a>]

01:19:28   maybe haunt a grandfather clock or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4768">TS</a>]

01:19:30   something but i went down and i sat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4770">TS</a>]

01:19:41   there and we all laughed and and we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4781">TS</a>]

01:19:44   we had some fun we had you know we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4784">TS</a>]

01:19:47   some laughs and and my memory is hazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4787">TS</a>]

01:19:55   but but i feel very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4795">TS</a>]

01:19:57   certain because there was all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4797">TS</a>]

01:20:00   there's all this stuff that needed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4800">TS</a>]

01:20:01   happen right I mean I was like well I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4801">TS</a>]

01:20:04   wanted I wanted to hand in that I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4804">TS</a>]

01:20:06   that thing about marks that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4806">TS</a>]

01:20:08   working on and I just wanted to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4808">TS</a>]

01:20:09   make some modifications to it and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4809">TS</a>]

01:20:11   this stuff you know that I had that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4811">TS</a>]

01:20:15   needed to do before I would and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4815">TS</a>]

01:20:18   in as I was sitting there describing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4818">TS</a>]

01:20:20   like he put he kept putting papers in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4820">TS</a>]

01:20:23   front of me and he had me sign something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4823">TS</a>]

01:20:29   that I think eventually produced this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4829">TS</a>]

01:20:33   envelope arriving in the mail Oh got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4833">TS</a>]

01:20:37   little bit gaslighted I got a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4837">TS</a>]

01:20:40   even realize you're graduating that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4840">TS</a>]

01:20:41   not fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4841">TS</a>]

01:20:42   well and so and then so I got a Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4842">TS</a>]

01:20:44   message from someone at the University [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4844">TS</a>]

01:20:48   one time that said congratulations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4848">TS</a>]

01:20:51   that's someone in the chit Department [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4851">TS</a>]

01:20:54   Facebook message and it wasn't even a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4854">TS</a>]

01:20:57   message it was like posted on my page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4857">TS</a>]

01:20:58   and your well yeah and I wrote and I and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4858">TS</a>]

01:21:01   I commented and I was like for what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4861">TS</a>]

01:21:03   and they commented back oh never mom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4863">TS</a>]

01:21:07   you'll see and so that's all that's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4867">TS</a>]

01:21:12   the evidence I have but when that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4872">TS</a>]

01:21:15   envelope arrived I like it had a kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4875">TS</a>]

01:21:19   you know it had a little it had icicles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4879">TS</a>]

01:21:21   on it like it felt like wow what is so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4881">TS</a>]

01:21:25   knew I knew a not to open it I knew B [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4885">TS</a>]

01:21:27   not to throw it away so I so it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4887">TS</a>]

01:21:30   on the bookshelf maybe that's a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4890">TS</a>]

01:21:36   idea I like that I like that man you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4896">TS</a>]

01:21:38   know me lately in your and your papers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4898">TS</a>]

01:21:40   right you leave behind some instructions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4900">TS</a>]

01:21:42   about what's to be done in the unlikely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4902">TS</a>]

01:21:44   event of your death you're allowed to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4904">TS</a>]

01:21:48   with the framed envelope right I don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4908">TS</a>]

01:21:51   got tell you buddy I like this idea a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4911">TS</a>]

01:21:53   lot fraying the envelope I'm worried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4913">TS</a>]

01:21:55   that framing the envelope is a weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4915">TS</a>]

01:21:57   affectation like I I worry already that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4917">TS</a>]

01:22:00   not opening it is weird yeah but I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4920">TS</a>]

01:22:04   like framing it it but that feels right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4924">TS</a>]

01:22:07   to do but it also feels like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4927">TS</a>]

01:22:10   now you know your hanging stuff on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4930">TS</a>]

01:22:12   walls in your house that you're hoping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4932">TS</a>]

01:22:13   people ask about that would be weird to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4933">TS</a>]

01:22:15   hang the envelope you should just leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4935">TS</a>]

01:22:16   your diploma on open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4936">TS</a>]

01:22:18   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4938">TS</a>]

01:22:20   [Laughter] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEN5hDHw/4940">TS</a>]