Under the Radar 24: Should You Register for a WWDC Ticket?
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welcome to under the radar a show about
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independent iOS app development I'm
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Marco Arment and I'm David Smith under
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the radar is never longer than 30
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minutes so let's get started so today we
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wanted to talk about WWDC it was just
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announced as we record it was just
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announced a little less than a day ago
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and we wanted to talk about whether you
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want to go or not because right now
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they're doing this kind of lottery
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system just like in the last couple of
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years where you can you can register to
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get a ticket and you have to commit to
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buy it to register and then if they if
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you if you win the lottery and if you
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get awarded a ticket they charge your
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credit card that you've registered with
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them it's not refundable so you
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basically have to like pre-commit $1,600
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to potentially getting this ticket if
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you want a chance of getting one at all
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so this raises the obvious question for
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a lot of us of well do I do I want to
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try for this or not and David I'm
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curious did you register and if so why I
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did I have a lot of reasons why I
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registered for WDC it's I it's very
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important for me personally and some of
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these things will only apply to the way
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that I run like my business and the way
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my business is structured but for me WDC
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is a very unique opportunity like the
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actual event going to it beyond just
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like the the things that I could do at
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home you know like there's I think this
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year for the they're going to be
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live-streaming the sessions in past
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years it's been the videos were
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available a few hours later and so if
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you were just going wanting to go to the
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conference if you were just want to get
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the information that's presented from
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stage there's really no need to go to
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WDC there's no reason to go to San
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Francisco like you could just do that at
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home for me though
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the thing about WDC that makes me want
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to go like there's the there's the main
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reason and there's like a kind of a
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secondary reason the main reason for me
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is the labs so every year at WCC it's
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kind of the way it's structured just
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probably is good to have a bit of a
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quick overview there's like on Monday
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and this week this year it's from I
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think the 13th to the 18th of June now
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on the Monday they'll have kind of like
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the big keynote addresses in the morning
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there's usually the like the executive
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one so you know where Tim Koch and Phil
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Schiller and those kind of
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people will come up on stage and give
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the broad strokes of Apple's vision for
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you know then the next generation of
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their software typically you know so
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what's coming in iOS so is 10 watch OST
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vos like the big high-level things we'll
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break for lunch and then they'll have
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the developer State of the Union type of
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thing where they talk in greater
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technical depth about in all the things
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that were said in the morning and then
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the rest of the week
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Tuesday through Friday is broken up into
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there'll be sessions which are you know
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sort of powerful or keynote
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presentations talking about the various
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technologies that are introduced or
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things that are new things that you want
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to learn about and those are gonna be
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live streamed and available and then
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downstairs yeah at most the Moscone West
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Center where it's held they have the
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labs which are we're a bunch of Apple
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engineers essentially I think they
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usually say it's something like about a
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thousand engineers are on hand in very
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at various times throughout the week
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we'll sit down and they'll have sort of
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office hours where you can come in and
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talk to people on the various technical
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teams so say I'm having a problem with
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core emotion I can go to the core
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emotion lab and I can sit down and I can
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talk to somebody who either wrote the
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API is that I'm working with or knows
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the person who did and for me that's the
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part that is completely irreplaceable
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and in some ways honestly kind of
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essential for the way I do my business
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because I have kind of made a living on
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looking at Apple's newest platforms and
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their newest technologies and being one
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of the first people to adopt them in
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whatever form that looks like you know
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so whenever there's a new like I just
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did with activity plus plus like there
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was this new API for active accessing
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activity data I submitted my app the
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moment it was possible to do that and
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you know that works out and for me WDC
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is this tremendous opportunity to go and
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talk to people about not really like the
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what of what was announced like things
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think things did you get from the video
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where they say like here's the five new
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api's here's the new things here's
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what's going on but being able to go and
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talk to an engineer about it's kind of
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why and to be able to say like well this
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is like I think I can go and I can but
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I'll tend to do is I'll sit down and
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kind of bang out a really rough
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prototype of something
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I'm thinking about maybe working on this
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summer go ahead down to the lab and be
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like hey this is how I'm doing it and is
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this a reasonable approach like nothing
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even more specific than is this a
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reasonable approach and you will often
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be from conversations than with those
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engineers you can understand why they're
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doing things the way they are and for me
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that's kind of essential and I'm ready
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to register for ticket I got my fingers
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crossed that he'll be one of the ones
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who's been selected for that reason and
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then secondarily and a bit more
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amusingly I love going to wvc because
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it's almost like every year
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being at an iOS developer there are a
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lot of things that are frustrating there
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are a lot of things that are challenging
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and that can kind of wear on you after a
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and the thing with about WB DC is I've
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been I had the privilege of going I
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think six times before six or seven it's
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quite a few and every time I go I always
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leave that BBC feeling excited motivated
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and just kind of like jazzed about the
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platform and the cool things that are
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coming and it you could say it's kind of
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like going big it's like I go to San
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Francisco and I drink the kool-aid again
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and that's kind of like the negative way
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to look at it or you could just say like
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it's it's a time to go and reconnect
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with the things that originally made me
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so excited for this platform and kind of
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wash away some of the things that may
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have been frustrating in the previous
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year and kind of recenter and focus on
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okay you know what's gonna happen the
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next year and so for me the $1,600 and
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throwing my name in the Hat like just
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makes perfect sense yeah I mean I have
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mostly the same kind of feelings about
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I also registered and I also you know
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put down the potential $1,600 to
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potentially get a ticket for me it's
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it's it's mostly about the community
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side at this point because the technical
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stuff is you know while it is strong and
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it is very good you also don't you know
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increasingly you have to be there less
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and less to get it because every year
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you know it used to be back in the olden
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days back when you could sell apps for
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money it used to be that they they would
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they would put up the videos like three
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months after the conference or something
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like that and then every year as as the
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as the conference has has become more
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and more oversold and overcapacity
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they've tried to address that issue of
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like there's so many people who want to
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be there but just can't get a ticket
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because there aren't enough or they
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can't get out there for scheduling the
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work reasons or the other problem is
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it's just a lot of money and a lot of
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people cannot afford to put down the
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probably all in four thousand dollars
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that you'll that you'll be in to to do
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this trip something like that because a
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big part of which is the hotel but see
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how that goes so it's a lot of money
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it's a it's you know a week off of work
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that you have to go do this so a lot of
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people can't be there so what they've
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been doing is making the videos
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available earlier and earlier to the
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point where oh and also dropping the
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requirement that even had to be a paying
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developer member to even watch them that
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used to be the case now any developer
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can watch them for free and you don't
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have to have been there you don't need
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the hundred dollar full membership level
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any any developer can watch these videos
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and the videos himself have gotten
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better they have transcripts and that's
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searchable and all that stuff and the
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production value has gone up and
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everything and they are now releasing
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them so fast last year they were
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released like within a day or so of them
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of the talks happening and this year
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they're saying as you mentioned this
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year they're gonna be live broadcast in
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them which has never happened before for
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anything beyond the initial keynote so
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increasingly there's less and less
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reason why you need to be there as a
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developer and that's why if I you know
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in past years I have been so scared that
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I wouldn't get a ticket and I've been
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very lucky that for the last seven years
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I have gotten a ticket and all the one
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year I had to sign up to developer
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accounts two together but this year if I
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don't get a ticket I don't think I'm
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gonna be as disappointed and I'm still
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gonna go and and there's a whole
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question of like whether you should go
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out to San Francisco for that week
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anyway even if you don't get a ticket
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cuz there are other things to do there
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are other events that people put on just
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not Apple but you know there's other
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conferences there's the layers
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conference there's alt conf there's a
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lot of like meetups and user groups and
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there's just all
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these developers who were all in town
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that week and so there's lots of social
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events if you have any developer friends
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or if you just go to a bar near Moscone
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you will find developers and you can
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make developer friends and so there's
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there's a lot of reasons to be there
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regardless so if I don't get a ticket
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this year I think what I will miss the
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most is kind of the the fun of like
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being in the building and like going to
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sessions live and and go into the
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keynote waiting with waiting with you
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and John and Casey in line and and like
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doing all that stuff
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well I really miss the line maybe it's
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part of the fun I'll miss the
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camaraderie of the line but maybe not
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the duration of it but you know
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ultimately I will have fun that week out
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there regardless of whether I get a
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ticket or not so the ticket will
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basically if I get the ticket the value
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of it is in structuring my day and
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giving me a place I have to be all day
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every day and and a venue to go to and
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and things to see and and talks to see
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and and kind of the the the focus of
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having it be like my only job this week
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is to watch these sessions and then
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socialize at night but you know my my
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primary job this week is to watch these
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sessions live because when they post the
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videos afterwards it's a little harder
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to find the time to sit down and do it
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because if you're just sitting at home
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in your office you have all sorts of
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other work to do you might have a family
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to also take care of so like your whole
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life is is pressuring you during all
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other times of the year that you should
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probably be doing something else rather
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than sitting and watching a whole bunch
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of videos for api's and stuff that you
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might not even be using yet that you
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might just think might be interesting
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you know when are you gonna find him to
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do that well if you're there your job is
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to go to those things that is the reason
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you're there you have that time kind of
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carved out and that is what your focus
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is if you if you're not there or if
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you're there without a ticket it's less
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focused so I feel like I will miss that
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that kind of focus and forced attention
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on on the sessions because that's a good
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thing however probably the biggest thing
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I would miss would be
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the Mosconi sandwiches no just kidding
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it'll be the labs it would be you know
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as you know as as you mentioned like
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having the labs having access to the
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Apple engineers has not always but has
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reasonably frequently provided me with
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pretty good information oftentimes very
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good information so I that is the part I
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would miss the most if I don't get a
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ticket but the rest of the conference I
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feel like if you've if you've gone to
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them for a few years you kind of know
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what it is assuming they don't change it
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you know Matt massively which is not
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necessarily a safe assumption because
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they are already doing like the keynote
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at the Bill Graham auditorium and so
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what we're gonna see like there there's
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some changes in the event here but I
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feel like I've gotten so much out of it
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in previous years that maybe it's time
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for a break I don't know I don't know I
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think I'm certainly conflicted on the
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issue that's why like if if I do get a
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ticket okay well I don't need to think
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about it for another year and if I don't
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get a ticket I guess I'll see what
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and I think that's fair like it's like
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damnit what do you see is it's it's just
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it comes to this for me it comes into
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the strange middle ground between being
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like strictly rational and somewhat
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emotional like I have an affinity to it
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that is not just logical it's not just
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like oh it makes sense to go here like I
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have good reasons that I can justify to
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myself and I think there are real
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reasons for like I need to go and talk
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to people in the labs that are good but
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if I didn't get a ticket it would be sad
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in a way that it's just emotional like I
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remember you know it was 2009 was my
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first WWDC yeah me too and like I
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remember how exciting that felt and
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there's a certain amount of nostalgia or
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and just like affinity that I have for
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the event where I think about it and
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it's just it's just kind of fun like
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it's everybody there like loves and
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cares about the same things that I love
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and care about they're all doing the
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same job like it's a really fun
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environment to be in and that emotional
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part of just like
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every time I mean I've been to it for
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years but I still like when we you know
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you finally comes right before the
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keynote and you're kind of all
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everyone's kind of you know finally
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found their seats you're sitting down
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like the excitement of just being there
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in that room ever with everyone's kind
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of waiting and anticipating like what's
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gonna happen what's gonna you know
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what's going to come and in some ways
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like it's kind of impactful too because
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the things that are bad about to Annette
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be announced are potentially you like
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completely like a pet could potentially
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upend my business or change dramatically
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what I'm planning to do for the next
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three or four months and so that puts a
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bit of stakes on the announcements and
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so then being there for it like it just
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there's such an emotional excitement
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that comes from it that I think I would
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miss even more than like you know I
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would really be sad to not have the labs
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but just to not have that feeling of
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like it got it's like excitement is the
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best word I have of just well I don't
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love getting up and you know it's like
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really early in the morning and standing
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out in the San Francisco
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I guess winter because it's freezing
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cold and ajuna but like standing outside
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in that San Francisco winter where it's
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just freezing cold and you're kind of
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just like mulling around for a few hours
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before they let you in which who knows
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maybe at this new you know Civic
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Auditorium they'll have a better a
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better scheme for that rather than just
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like wrapping us around the block three
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times but there's something exciting
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about it and if you're a developer who's
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never been to WWDC it's it's a hard
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thing to like you know I don't even like
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explain that feeling that if you're
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looking at it and it's like you know
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like I can get all of you much all the
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information I need from just staying at
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home like that is absolutely true like
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there's no like a strict need to go to
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WTC the videos were live streamed if you
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have questions and problems and like you
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know had but that was something that
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would have been helpful to go to the
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labs you know there are people at Apple
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you can reach out to you like there's a
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whole evangelism team whose job it is to
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field similar types of questions but
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it's just never going to be the same and
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so I would encourage most people if he's
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officially even ever been to try is like
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put your name in and you know it's it's
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ever see everyone's mileage will you
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know will differ and like if you may
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not really your thing but for me Ivan
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every year I've come back I've always
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wanted to go back the next year I've
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never gone to WDC and then come back and
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said you know what that's probably it
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for me I'm probably done like every year
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I come back just more and more excited
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even as things have changed like it's
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been a wildly different thing you know
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back in 2009 what would what would that
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have been they were announcing iOS or
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probably iPhone OS for something might
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yeah four or five like that like it is
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so much has changed since then like I
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mean it's kind of the crazy things I
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remember when they introduced iCloud
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like that was like a big deal and one of
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them or that was Steve's last
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presentation or his last big one at
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least yeah certainly and I mean not me
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obviously that like that side of things
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is even more crazy when I think about
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the fact that I had sort of had the
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privilege of seeing Steve Jobs keynotes
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like that's kind of special in a way
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that's almost you know like a little
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overwhelming like it was it's like some
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having been able to I think I saw two or
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three that he would they presented at
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and just you know like seeing the legend
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is is really cool so that's kind of
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where I am but nothing like you say like
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I'm going out either way no matter what
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I will be in San Francisco from you know
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it's the Sunday before to the Friday
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after like I will be I will be there if
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I have a ticket awesome like as you say
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like it's lovely to give some structure
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if I don't I don't really know what I'll
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do during the day I mean I imagine I
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will watch some of the sessions maybe
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I'll do a bit more actual programming
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rather than watching and thinking about
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programming which I don't know if that's
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better or worse maybe it'll be a little
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easier on to socialize a bit more but
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one way or the other I'm gonna be there
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cuz I think even just even not being
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instant like past the door and being
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inside there's still something exciting
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about going to a place cuz I think I
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remember I think was Jason Snell I was
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was talking about this where he used to
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be like there were events like Macworld
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Expo which were as like a place where
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people could go to like be around
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like-minded people like people who cared
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about the same kind of things and you
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there's something kind of fun and
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exciting about that and now
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the main event for Apple like Apple
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minded people where if you you know so
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if you go there and just sort of like by
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osmosis we'll be surrounded by people
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who care about the same stuff like it's
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that one week this week in W in San
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Francisco and so like I would just go
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just for that just to be around these
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people you know there's all these there
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are many people who I only see once a
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year and I see them in San Francisco
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during WDC and like I have friend you
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you're sort of like whole friendships
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just based on that and so it's kind of
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fun to just have that as a thing oh yeah
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I mean that's that's why I like the idea
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of not going out there at all just
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didn't even occur to me that's why as
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soon as the date was firmly announced
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yesterday I booked the flight yeah and I
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don't know if I'm gonna have the
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conference badge or not yet but I booked
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the flight and I booked the hotel months
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ago cuz hotels are easily cancelable for
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no money and so like I booked the stuff
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because the the idea of not going never
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even entered my mind of course I'm going
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this is like this is the one conference
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that happens every year that it is like
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a fixed block on my calendar it is
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non-negotiable like it would take a lot
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for me not to go like it would have to
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be like some like massive family event
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like having a baby like then I wouldn't
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go but otherwise like it would be it
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would take a lot for me not to go to
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this whether I have taken or not and at
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you know the a little bit more on having
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tickets or not in a second but first I
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wanted to thank our sponsor this week we
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respond to this week we decided to do
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something a little different this week
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respond to this week by ourselves and
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our own apps because we both have apps
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that you can buy and it turns out we
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have a way to advertise for fairly low
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money here because we don't have to pay
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ourselves and we haven't has for our own
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stuff so my half of this advertisement
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is please I would love it if you can
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give overcast a try and if you're
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already an overcast user and if you're
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on a patron yet I'd love it if you could
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become a patron you get a cool dark mode
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and you get to support the service and
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support server cost and stuff like that
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and my amazing extravagant lifestyle so
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David I would like to encourage you if
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you do not already to try one of my
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and wellness apps so I make a couple of
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apps they tend to have a plus plus at
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the end of them there's pedometer plus
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plus to the plus plus an activity plus
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plus apps that helps you measure and
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understand your fitness and level of
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activity throughout the day and
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hopefully help you to make more active
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choices and so if you haven't already
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please go check what either something
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with some of those apps out or Marco's
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overcast and you give us a give us a try
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and support us that way it's just a if
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you listen to this and you like the way
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we speak maybe you like the things we
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make to thanks so if you're playing
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going into everybody see without a
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ticket there are a couple things that I
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would add to this just a little bit so
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first of all I agree with you David I'm
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a little concerned about what the heck I
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would do all day the good thing is there
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are a lot of people who go out there
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without tickets and so there are like
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little gatherings some sometimes like
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some some of the local companies like I
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think Twitter hosted the keynote
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watching party last year was that right
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that sounds right yeah and so like
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sometimes like local San Francisco
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companies who have offices in the area
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will will host developer get-togethers
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and meetups and little events to watch
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some of the live streams a lot of some
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people will just watch them like they'll
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like rent a little conference room in
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the hotel that they're in and just like
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have like a small gathering people to
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watch them there or people will just
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watch them privately in little groups of
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like two or three friends together so
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there are a lot of people who go out
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there the only thing is if you if you
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already know people you already like
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have established friends and contacts
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who will be there it's a lot easier if
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you're going out there and you don't
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know anybody yet I highly suggest trying
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to get that ticket because it's a lot
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it's it's not that it can't be done to
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go out there without knowing anybody and
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find people and make new friends but
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it's a lot harder if you don't have a
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ticket because if you're in the
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conference building then you're gonna be
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walking around and everybody around you
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is gonna be an iOS developer or Mac
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developer or a soon-to-be iOS or my
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developer everyone around he's gonna be
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part of that social group there and
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there's gonna be so many other people
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there who you know in the building who
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are looking to meet people looking to
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socialize and looking to make new
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friends looking to MIT to make contacts
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whereas if you're walking around the
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streets or sitting in a hotel room it's
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harder again it can be done but it's
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harder so if it's your first time out
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there if you don't have a lot of fun
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already in the in the community I do
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highly suggest tryna get that ticket it
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will help a lot and otherwise if you're
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if you are regardless of whether you
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know anybody out there or not if you're
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going out there to to hang out and to
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meet new people don't be afraid to go up
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to people who you see who you recognize
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if they're you know well-known
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developers or podcasters or bloggers
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that ever go up to them and say hi do
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not be the person who sits back in it
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and then tweets later oh I saw John
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Gruber today but I was too scared to say
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hi because you know what all of us like
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people who who you might know in this
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community we're all just normal people
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you don't have it's not like we're Brad
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Pitt you don't have to like be worried
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about coming up and saying hi cuz like
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it's really cool for us to have anybody
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in real life know who we are because
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that's amazing
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because every day is not like that and
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so go up to people I think you will find
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that this is a very friendly community
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and we are all know the vast majority of
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us are all socially awkward geeks and so
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you know if you are worried if you are a
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socially awkward geek you don't need to
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be worried about that because all of us
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are and we are very welcoming and you
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know we will we are likely just as
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nervous trying to have conversations
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with people we don't know as you might
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be but please come up and talk to
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anybody you find who you recognize also
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don't be afraid to you know to at reply
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you know if to mention people on Twitter
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to ask people like hey you know where's
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where are you hanging out tonight like
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you know like what are there any good
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parties that you might know or any good
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gatherings that that are public or
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whatever like if you were if you need
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access into a certain group of social a
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certain social community or group of
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friends who you're trying to meet or you
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know certain developer a certain ride or
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whatever else you you know you can you
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can be a little forthcoming you know you
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don't have to like stalk anybody but
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like you can be a little forthcoming
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because this is ultimately a very open
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community open to new people welcoming
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of new people and and there's so many
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people out there who are all you know
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we're all basically the same kind of
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person you know we all like
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the same stuff we are many of us has a
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set our geeks and we all like to say hi
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to people who share a common interest so
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it's totally okay to be a little forward
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socially in meeting people when you're
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out there yeah because I think and it's
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just to jump on it extend that to is I
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remember clearly that first year going
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out to WDC and knowing nobody like I I
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didn't I don't think I couldn't think of
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one person that I knew when I was going
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out there and I did at this point my
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apps weren't well particularly well
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known it wasn't like I had a podcast or
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a blog or something that something
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something that people would know me by
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like I was so fairly new to this and I
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just remember but I still had people
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that I admired people that I respected
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that I had in the back of my mind to
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like how cool would it be to meet these
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people and it was it took a lot of
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effort and I remember it being very
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difficult to force myself to not just
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like go back to my hotel room every
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night and go to sleep
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I'm horde heifer like I just work on my
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code or like things like that like it
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was so it was so easy and always it like
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the path of least resistance is always
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like you know what I could go to this
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event or I could go and just hang out
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and most you know like at the Moscone
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Center um I could do that or I could not
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and I could just have dinner by myself
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and then go back to my hotel room and
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some nights I would have the courage to
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go and like go out and some nights I
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didn't and the reality though looking
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back is I wouldn't have the friends I
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have now and the connections I have in
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our community if every night I had just
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gone had dinner by myself and then went
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back to my hotel that like I have dear
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and precious friends to me now who I got
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to know because at some point I you know
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went up to somebody and said hi I'm
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David Smith I love your work you know
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and it's a pleasure to meet you like to
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you know there are so many people who I
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just admired and respected who then I
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that's how I met that way I mean in a
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weird Sweden they say like
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how I met you Marco yeah I remember in
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further w like i remember meeting you at
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WTC and you know who i would that if I
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had like if I could have told my future
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like my past self like in a couple years
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to be doing a podcast with Marco like it
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would have sounded completely absurd to
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me like at this point I think I was like
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I was a big build an analyze fan and it
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was this kind of cool thing and you
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never know where how these things are
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gonna play out and you just never know
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but if you don't a have if you don't
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serve just like you know what I'm gonna
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do this it doesn't feel good but I know
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that it will end up better like flossing
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yeah whatever exactly meeting us is like
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exactly it's it was such a wonderful
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analogy but I definitely would encourage
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people to do that and like sometimes
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it'll work sometimes it won't like in
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terms of sometimes you'll have really
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awkward interactions that feel like it's
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like man that will it didn't really go
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well but other times it really will and
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it's the kind of thing like there's no
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there's no like magic answer for
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socializing it's not like oh here's
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these three things that you should do
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but it's the kind of thing that you just
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keep doing and then you'll look back on
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and see how those upper to know how
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those moments of just being like you
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know what I'm gonna go up and say hello
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well eventually you do it enough it gets
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easier and it starts to build some real
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connections that you know you can look
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back on and kind of just be amazed yeah
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I'm looking forward to so you know this
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goes you know it's I guess the all the
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time we have for this week thank you for
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everybody for listening I hope that if
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you have the the means and opportunity
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to consider going to WTC I hope you
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register to get a ticket because you
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have to do that basically now to to have
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a chance of getting it for everybody who
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registered who who who really needs that
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ticket to go I hope you get one and I
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look forward to seeing everybody this
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year yeah I imagine you'll be able to
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find one way or the other you have to
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find Marco and I in San Francisco so if
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you see us by all means say hi you
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definitely spot David by the color of
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his shirt it's usually very bright and
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blue exactly basically the brighter
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version of the color of OS 10 folders
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is that about right it's a powerhead
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yeah or maybe I think the better one to
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go for is it's if you if you have one of
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those blue developer watches that Apple
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watch if you know Apple put out when ya
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was first introduced if you see
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something that's that blue that's
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probably me exactly
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alright thanks for listening everybody
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and always floss and we will talk to you
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next week bye
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I don't floss