The Incomparable

140: The Sublime Magicks of Exposition


  you got a question Merlin yeah i did i'm [TS]

  sorry i'm trying to be quiet i know [TS]

  people don't know ask a question this is [TS]

  a dream for me this is my this is my [TS]

  this is my scarlet witch moment i'm so [TS]

  happy to be here I'm not trying to be a [TS]

  dork and more arms you guys I'm slowly [TS]

  so angry now the incomparable number 100 [TS]

  already made 2013 [TS]

  welcome back everybody to be [TS]

  uncomfortable i'm your host Jason snail [TS]

  and tonight we're doing something very [TS]

  special where were doing special edition [TS]

  of our comic book club as if they aren't [TS]

  all special [TS]

  they also we're gonna talk about a [TS]

  classic at least in terms of having [TS]

  happened several years ago [TS]

  Marvel Comics events called house event [TS]

  which was a 8 issue miniseries from 2005 [TS]

  written by Brian Michael Bendis who I [TS]

  love from ultimate spider-man you may [TS]

  remember this for how it ends now you [TS]

  may remember for the aftermath you may [TS]

  remember it for its continuity busting [TS]

  you may remember it because it's the [TS]

  it's a it's the cruelest thing in a [TS]

  universe of cool things done spider-man [TS]

  perhaps the coolest thing ever done to [TS]

  spider-man anyway to joining me to talk [TS]

  about House of M and various other [TS]

  Marvel events that came out of this or [TS]

  went into it or went around it in terms [TS]

  of continuity i have an all-star [TS]

  superhero panel first up a regular in [TS]

  comfortable guest Lisa Schmeisser hi [TS]

  Lisa like you to be here thanks for [TS]

  being here and iannaccone a frequent [TS]

  visitor to the incomparable is also here [TS]

  hi Andy [TS]

  hello Jason good to have you here we [TS]

  have a visitor we've had on once before [TS]

  moistest uyan is welcome back i'm glad [TS]

  to be here [TS]

  it's good to have you and for making his [TS]

  making his debut appearance on the [TS]

  incomparable using first and last you [TS]

  love him you can't live without him [TS]

  it's Merlin man Jason it's good to have [TS]

  you here thank you [TS]

  I can say anything I guess anything to [TS]

  be very well okay that's good [TS]

  yeah that's the Scott McNulty slot [TS]

  doesn't work I'll be Lex I was hoping [TS]

  you'd be siracusa so house of them I so [TS]

  here's my admission I stopped reading [TS]

  comics in the eighties and didn't start [TS]

  reading them really reading current [TS]

  comics anyway until two or three years [TS]

  ago so I completely missed this when it [TS]

  came out and only I think maybe a year [TS]

  ago I read some of them and and [TS]

  on via illicit means i have to admit but [TS]

  i just reread them all using Marvel's [TS]

  excellent marvel unlimited service and [TS]

  app and I house of m is really [TS]

  interesting because it's this standalone [TS]

  miniseries and yet it's got all these [TS]

  tie-in series some of them are special [TS]

  standalone series others it's sort of [TS]

  overrides regular issues of some comics [TS]

  it seems like and it's this weird case [TS]

  where it's not an event that really [TS]

  happens it's sort of happens in the [TS]

  Marvel Universe but it it's kind of like [TS]

  a sneaky what if what if story which is [TS]

  what if the mutants were in charge [TS]

  essentially is that is that accurate am [TS]

  I missing some horrible piece of [TS]

  continuity here as far as i can tell [TS]

  it's a it's it's happening in the real [TS]

  Marvel Universe but it really is just [TS]

  it's it's transformed magically into an [TS]

  alternate universe for a while and then [TS]

  transform back right [TS]

  it's the most important what if [TS]

  crossover ever because the effects of it [TS]

  actually end up having an effect on the [TS]

  actual Marvel Universe but I think [TS]

  you're dead right that it's it's a lot [TS]

  of story more than anything else [TS]

  yes knows it's the it's the classic [TS]

  gambit of like when you're playing chess [TS]

  and you make your move but you keep your [TS]

  finger on the piece you say I haven't [TS]

  gotten yet [TS]

  hang on i could take that movie back [TS]

  haven't got yet yes it did [TS]

  it's it was kind of famous because joe [TS]

  quesada revealed like we took over as [TS]

  creative editor-in-chief of Marvel said [TS]

  that there are but a too i think he said [TS]

  you mentioned there three specific [TS]

  genies he wants to put back in the [TS]

  bottle without mentioning what those [TS]

  three genes were one of those was [TS]

  spider-man's marriage he wanted that to [TS]

  not happen anymore [TS]

  another one woo exactly what's that [TS]

  that's the podcast but the other but [TS]

  that other one was actually very very [TS]

  positive the problem of in some of the X [TS]

  books there are apparently millions and [TS]

  millions and millions and millions of [TS]

  onions and he wanted to roll that back i [TS]

  can speak to this an exhausting detail [TS]

  and it got to the point where my mutant [TS]

  superpower is is telekinesis except it's [TS]

  like a game of tag and youyou really [TS]

  that's the best you can come up with [TS]

  I got teleportation but i can only go [TS]

  through doors now imagine and [TS]

  the book built around a character like [TS]

  that because that's what they were [TS]

  basically doing by that point was uh oh [TS]

  here's a character who's who looks like [TS]

  a chicken and has no other superpowers [TS]

  and because it doesn't show up you start [TS]

  by now ask and yes I am I read the [TS]

  Exiles I read all the Exiles what you [TS]

  see you need that many many mutants [TS]

  because you had to populate the teams [TS]

  right because there's let's let's run it [TS]

  down the early 2000s have like the [TS]

  extreme ! that was where the extreme [TS]

  x-men we got the x-men the uncanny x-men [TS]

  we got the X Factor you got the X miles [TS]

  astonishing x-men don't forget that the [TS]

  team that was on mutant x who went [TS]

  around and did things in mutti town [TS]

  xxs-3x explanatory he's the exciting's [TS]

  xcor there was the Excalibur ecstatic [TS]

  xfactor expeditionary was that actually [TS]

  a team [TS]

  no I'm making things up I'm just saying [TS]

  there were lots of x-men suffice it to [TS]

  say and Wolverine was on every single [TS]

  one of those teams except for the exit [TS]

  for the ex-girlfriends and the [TS]

  expenditures when I stopped reading [TS]

  marvel comics was right when the at the [TS]

  x-men were clearly the most popular [TS]

  comic i think every month and that was [TS]

  just as Marvel was realizing that they [TS]

  could do something with this and when I [TS]

  came back I I was kind of taken aback [TS]

  and when I realized that they finally [TS]

  its franchise the x-men and boy did it [TS]

  because when I left it was like the new [TS]

  mutants was it the x-men and like two [TS]

  from like 2003-2004 the x-men were kind [TS]

  of like aaron spelling on TV in the [TS]

  early nineties where they're just get [TS]

  that he just couldn't they just kept [TS]

  crapping out spin-off after spin off [TS]

  after spin-off and and there would be [TS]

  one thing that was compelling and the [TS]

  rest of that you were just how is this [TS]

  allowed to exist and at some point storm [TS]

  is doing extreme fighting in a ring with [TS]

  somebody and it to end and and sometimes [TS]

  she has a mohawk and sometimes she does [TS]

  and row he gets this crazy full sleeve [TS]

  tattoo because she runs into some mutant [TS]

  his superpowers is drawing tattoos on [TS]

  two people skin i should do not this was [TS]

  actually that's her power she could make [TS]

  tattoos without using a needle and you [TS]

  know at this point when the big bad [TS]

  thing that happens at the end of this [TS]

  happens and i was like finally man they [TS]

  have shaken out this universe and down [TS]

  to the deadwood and like eight million [TS]

  Guthrie's parish which is all for the [TS]

  best because that them got [TS]

  family is the bane of my x-men reading [TS]

  existence would be useful to give people [TS]

  a rough idea of the story so so what [TS]

  happens is as these people gradually [TS]

  learn these heroes gradually or take it [TS]

  Wolverine basically says I'm gonna go [TS]

  find people and even though they are [TS]

  living their dream i'm going to wake [TS]

  them up to the harsh unreality of events [TS]

  here and so he goes and then one by one [TS]

  they kind of assemble all the [TS]

  superheroes and remind them that they [TS]

  aren't living you know just because [TS]

  you're in this wonderful mutant forward [TS]

  society here and actually you know [TS]

  there's actually the real world where [TS]

  mutants are downtrodden and let's let's [TS]

  touch spider-man so that he who you know [TS]

  who wins stays alive his uncle ben is [TS]

  alive he's got yeah they're very happy [TS]

  let's wreck that ok well and he's got [TS]

  this kind of creepy adulterous thing [TS]

  that sort of like on the verge of [TS]

  happening with maryjane right well [TS]

  because she stars in the movie of his [TS]

  life as his wife also Hollywood slut [TS]

  also creepy so so the the and and really [TS]

  the story seems to be there waking [TS]

  everybody up to the reality that that [TS]

  except for Captain America because he [TS]

  was never frozen and it's just an of an [TS]

  old guy although such a tissue that was [TS]

  kinda nice but I kept asking myself I [TS]

  was surprised to not have more of them [TS]

  be like you know this world is kind of [TS]

  nicer than for us than that other world [TS]

  I guess that was them being heroic and [TS]

  all it just seemed very strange to me [TS]

  that it's like this world in many ways [TS]

  seems better two then the one that we [TS]

  left we gotta stop going to put a stop [TS]

  to that [TS]

  that seems listing with spider-woman [TS]

  whisk was pretty great [TS]

  yeah then and then we'll bring it's a [TS]

  high level someday you'll be embarrassed [TS]

  you said that like why should she be [TS]

  embarrassed she's asking a perfectly [TS]

  rational question just our lives are [TS]

  pretty awesome have to an irate so so is [TS]

  it fair to say that there are two [TS]

  reasons why house of them is notable [TS]

  there's there's that it is it is in and [TS]

  of itself a story about this this sort [TS]

  of what F world that is ruled by mutants [TS]

  and it's relevant in terms of Marvel [TS]

  continuity because at the end of it when [TS]

  this when the original marvel universe [TS]

  is reset some people who are at the [TS]

  center of this [TS]

  you know this blast wave at the end of [TS]

  of the story remember everything that [TS]

  happened in this parallel history that [TS]

  was created but but secondarily it's the [TS]

  end result of the story which is in in [TS]

  many and and if you don't know you [TS]

  should read it read the issues poor you [TS]

  listen to this podcast anymore stop what [TS]

  are you doing this whole podcast spoil [TS]

  it is a giant spoiler [TS]

  so the end of issue 7 the Scarlet Witch [TS]

  who has created this parallel universe [TS]

  she says no more mutants she's like so [TS]

  she's so infuriated by by mutants i [TS]

  guess and buy her own kind that she [TS]

  declares that there will be no more [TS]

  mutants and then and then issue 8 is the [TS]

  aftermath where the world has kind of [TS]

  gone back to where it was except that [TS]

  some people remember what what had [TS]

  happened and and for some people that [TS]

  that's a quite tragic because the idea [TS]

  here is that everybody has been given [TS]

  essentially their hearts desire all of [TS]

  these yes all the powered people the [TS]

  idea why I guess that Pietro and Wanda [TS]

  team definite said well if we just give [TS]

  everybody exactly what they want then [TS]

  they'll leave us alone and nobody with [TS]

  the crazy idea to kill the woman who [TS]

  could work who can warp reality it well [TS]

  and what here where it breaks down is [TS]

  when you look at the spin-offs they're [TS]

  horrible dystopias so you know and a lot [TS]

  of major characters die in the spin-off [TS]

  sides argued with my big deal about [TS]

  dreams come true hearts tiger's heart [TS]

  desire was to be shot [TS]

  good yeah no I mean I get the doctor [TS]

  dooms deepest heart desires to have read [TS]

  Richards wiped off the face of the [TS]

  planet but he ends up looking Magneto's [TS]

  boot how is that keeping him losing his [TS]

  losing his entire family will know it's [TS]

  the it's the oh it's the old Henry [TS]

  ending right it's the stupid like shaved [TS]

  off all my hair to give me I think any [TS]

  one of the reasons that I i think it's [TS]

  successful and I should always stipulate [TS]

  that I'm i'm pretty new to this stuff so [TS]

  I haven't read a whole lot of stuff you [TS]

  know little bits of stuff from across [TS]

  the Marvel Universe but the reason I [TS]

  think this succeed where others seem [TS]

  very frustrating is yeah there are a [TS]

  whole lot of tions well you know not [TS]

  nearly as many times is with some of [TS]

  that some of these other things were [TS]

  talking about it really i think [TS]

  personally it helps to me that it works [TS]

  as this one TPB of eight issues that [TS]

  really stands alone it's spider-man one [TS]

  time is outstanding [TS]

  but it's completely its own pocket [TS]

  universe in another pocket if it is [TS]

  right there it's not even it doesn't [TS]

  even line up to the main and also it's [TS]

  good for some reason to keep reminding [TS]

  me a plan to the apes in some ways we [TS]

  talk about a what if it's something [TS]

  that's happening [TS]

  not so much exactly in the future [TS]

  but you know it is speculative in that [TS]

  way but also i like the fact that [TS]

  everybody was in it kind of mostly [TS]

  together and kind of mostly the same [TS]

  time and that I guess to your point [TS]

  about what happens at the end boy you [TS]

  guys had a spoiler fast you guys hit two [TS]

  major spoilers so fast you left you hit [TS]

  the biggest plot twists and the whole [TS]

  thing already was eight years ago it [TS]

  here at yelled at I got yelled at on [TS]

  Twitter the other day for mentioning [TS]

  what happened when Stacy in 1973 right [TS]

  she dies by the way all man she got a [TS]

  new hair before so it's ok she gets [TS]

  cloned but you know my wife she never [TS]

  persistently brought back is is what I [TS]

  want to know Jim Gray syndrome in [TS]

  Reagan's back more often than then when [TS]

  Stacy it's particularly wewe titled an [TS]

  episode of giant-sized beast goes which [TS]

  time after the the bit in all-new x-men [TS]

  where Jean Grey asks him uh tell me what [TS]

  it was like when I died and he went well [TS]

  which time I think there should be the [TS]

  single serving sites are you know maybe [TS]

  even like that counts is Phoenix alive [TS]

  right now in this issue is Jean Grey [TS]

  alive can Professor X walk and is Nick [TS]

  Fury black just just so we kind of can [TS]

  get a roughly on where we are you gotta [TS]

  triangulate different facts of the [TS]

  Marvel Universe to get an idea of what [TS]

  I'm going on which telepathic Scott [TS]

  Summers dating this with spider-man [TS]

  married and to who [TS]

  but it's a lie i unlike other ones where [TS]

  you go you know yes this this like a lot [TS]

  of annoying crossovers go poof [TS]

  haha sike but it did speak but it does [TS]

  open up a lot of interesting stories [TS]

  especially with the you know the M de [TS]

  thing but you know what i mean it's it [TS]

  is i think it's so wonderful as a bridge [TS]

  between two things that may be [TS]

  controversial I like a lot i really love [TS]

  defenders disassembled and I like Civil [TS]

  War schism and in ATX and I thought I [TS]

  think this is the fantastic bridge to [TS]

  those because it takes all these [TS]

  characters that can sometimes seem a [TS]

  little bit you know [TS]

  been there done that and opens a lot of [TS]

  interesting doors for them too I don't [TS]

  know to explore these parts of their [TS]

  powers in their personality that can get [TS]

  lost in this giant University of like [TS]

  you know scrolls in [TS]

  purple hawks and stuff so you know we [TS]

  should talk about about this story and [TS]

  yes I spoiled but you know the journey [TS]

  is the reward and it is a marvel comics [TS]

  so it really kind of ends up where it [TS]

  starts in some ways what what's nice is [TS]

  that because what remains at the end is [TS]

  the memory of it happening it in and [TS]

  this no more mutants declaration you [TS]

  know it is more standalone than a lot of [TS]

  the Marvel events i think Marlon is [TS]

  absolutely right there and I I thought [TS]

  it was an interesting what if when I was [TS]

  a kid I was read the what if comic and I [TS]

  always thought it was really cool idea [TS]

  and here they upped the stakes a little [TS]

  bit although I have to say when the [TS]

  first time I read it I was having a [TS]

  conversation with somebody about this i [TS]

  can't remember who it is that you know [TS]

  for the humans it's really bad what [TS]

  happens here right it is it is this it [TS]

  is this terrible thing but for some of [TS]

  these characters i did question their [TS]

  motivations as they go through cuz [TS]

  Wolverine what happens is there's that [TS]

  there's that there's no girl so many [TS]

  questions Leyland so what is layla [TS]

  Miller is this girl who's been given the [TS]

  power to basically still she knows stuff [TS]

  but I know stuff [TS]

  Frank she can make you remember what it [TS]

  was like before and Wolverine knows what [TS]

  it was like before anything Kayla's [TS]

  mutant powers that she's an anchor inn [TS]

  in reality right matter like no matter [TS]

  where she is she can see through [TS]

  whatever you do [TS]

  nonsense going on in any dimension and [TS]

  but also i mean it and I don't mean to [TS]

  hijack your show but it was like just to [TS]

  concede of it it is worth mentioning [TS]

  which is that and again this is what [TS]

  makes this such an interesting bridge to [TS]

  scarlet witch becoming such a important [TS]

  character in really at least three major [TS]

  events which i think is very very [TS]

  interesting move on you know so it's [TS]

  fair enough to spoil of interest [TS]

  disassembled she goes completely monkey [TS]

  balls attacks all the Avengers I thought [TS]

  that was a great crossover re also log [TS]

  out of control and let's remember though [TS]

  and I but I think this is that this [TS]

  could be a whole episode on its own is [TS]

  that is the Avengers disassembled [TS]

  started because wasp is talking about [TS]

  your relationship with Hawkeye and Wanda [TS]

  suddenly flips out when she starts [TS]

  remembering these two kids that she had [TS]

  but didn't have right that was just too [TS]

  simple right and you so so she's she's [TS]

  just did that in a nut the way this [TS]

  whole [TS]

  and I think I think technically yeah [TS]

  it's considered of 58 something universe [TS]

  but i think it's just considered a kind [TS]

  of a bend 616 in some ways but you know [TS]

  she the the beauty part of this that i [TS]

  think is pretty good cover for the what [TS]

  if Miss of it is that she you know [TS]

  basically uses these extraordinary [TS]

  powers to in order to have a family [TS]

  family is such an important theme [TS]

  through all these books especially in [TS]

  the last couple notches family is huge [TS]

  and we get that obviously with the [TS]

  magnets clan but in order for her family [TS]

  to be together and happy in with her [TS]

  mind like rapidly disintegrating she's [TS]

  going to basically make it so that [TS]

  anybody who's in a position to harm [TS]

  anyone in her family not just her but [TS]

  you can't harm anyone in her family and [TS]

  who could harm her make-believe children [TS]

  is going to be given as you say given [TS]

  whatever it is that they most wanted [TS]

  which i think is a very interesting [TS]

  topic to talk about like what that says [TS]

  about Wolverine what that says about [TS]

  gambit but but there but that to me that [TS]

  that but I don't think everybody like [TS]

  that provides great cover for like why [TS]

  this was so interesting because there [TS]

  are all kinds of contradictions and [TS]

  holes in that but it also leads us to as [TS]

  you say that just to read the heartbreak [TS]

  up Peter Parker huge but it isn't unique [TS]

  you see mistakes heart being broken as [TS]

  she's losing this thing that I guess [TS]

  like a walgreens case will ring goes I [TS]

  didn't know that I wanted to be Nick [TS]

  Fury he's analyzing things about himself [TS]

  you know let alone the memory thing [TS]

  which is three episodes but it's such a [TS]

  great cover and and they cover so much [TS]

  in that one first book I thought that [TS]

  was really impressive before we started [TS]

  a process mentioned that he had read [TS]

  world war hulk to and I was and planet [TS]

  hulk and I was reminded of the beginning [TS]

  of Planet Hulk or the thing that leads [TS]

  into it it's a similar situation what [TS]

  were you have superheroes essentially [TS]

  right superheroes they're supposed to be [TS]

  the good guys making a decision that is [TS]

  at the very least seriously morally [TS]

  questionable and can hold the Illuminati [TS]

  yeah in employment whole shoot the Hulk [TS]

  into space and that's not gonna get that [TS]

  could go wrong [TS]

  that'll be that'll be fine i could [TS]

  possibly or so in house of em it's [TS]

  Charles Xavier and the x-men and The [TS]

  Avengers having a little like staff [TS]

  meeting at avengers tower to do that [TS]

  expand this loves writing meetings yeah [TS]

  he does is it doesn't like reading [TS]

  beginnings the Illuminati was I think [TS]

  probably his wet dream he did got to do [TS]

  an entire issue there was nothing but a [TS]

  long meeting [TS]

  yeah yeah you know when I was a kid [TS]

  there was a tissue of amazing spider-man [TS]

  that was nothing but a fight between [TS]

  spider-man the kingpin [TS]

  what is it like George Lucas everybody [TS]

  that wants to make things about meeting [TS]

  it's just that its meetings and trade [TS]

  routes and that's what it is but in so [TS]

  in this one there they're meeting is so [TS]

  we're gonna kill 12 right i mean that's [TS]

  the doctor strange back me up here and [TS]

  dr. strange like oh I don't know I can't [TS]

  figure it out so let's get let me let me [TS]

  throw I actually I actually prepped part [TS]

  of this in addition to his obsession [TS]

  with meetings he also loves having dr. [TS]

  strange narrate an absurd amount of [TS]

  exposition justifying whatever crazy [TS]

  thing he's about to make happen by the [TS]

  eye of agamotto I by the by the crimson [TS]

  bands of the center a candle hurry cause [TS]

  of the prognosis logo sublime magics of [TS]

  exposition exactly so so you get this [TS]

  cross-section of a bunch of classic [TS]

  panels of Wanda Maximoff and Stephen [TS]

  strange explaining everything yes this [TS]

  is this is prior to them deciding well [TS]

  what we're going to do with it this is [TS]

  ok everybody here's what's actually [TS]

  going on please forget we're talking [TS]

  about your friend listen to me tell you [TS]

  the story of an orphan mute with [TS]

  assorted violent past with her she did [TS]

  not earn Norrish kanchi control power [TS]

  she never fully understood [TS]

  can you understand the delicate mindset [TS]

  of a woman a person who has control over [TS]

  reality it means reality controls her [TS]

  imagination becomes the enemy structure [TS]

  disappears reality eventually as she [TS]

  knows it starts to slip away elude her [TS]

  blur drama conflict tragedy that become [TS]

  excuses to change the world to fit the [TS]

  image that she has for it [TS]

  anything she doesn't like she can change [TS]

  no matter how slight people places [TS]

  things everything is here guys her to [TS]

  change her mind [TS]

  editorial meeting ok so that's bad good [TS]

  heavens [TS]

  yeah this is a third this is a third of [TS]

  this complete setup for brian michael [TS]

  bendis using dr. strange to hypnotize us [TS]

  into going you know what this all makes [TS]

  and they should killer when you know [TS]

  what I don't like something that fire [TS]

  Michael Bendis is written it's always [TS]

  because of two different three World [TS]

  word problems one is beginning middle [TS]

  and [TS]

  I don't think he loves the middle he [TS]

  doesn't like running them the the finish [TS]

  the the start and he'll write the ending [TS]

  in the last three pages when you realize [TS]

  oh crap it's supposed to be tennis shoes [TS]

  not 15-minute up about dr. strange and [TS]

  haunting AVX and the and the second [TS]

  thing isn't the second three-word thing [TS]

  is show don't tell [TS]

  he will heal he loves you he loves to do [TS]

  the west wing sort of thing where you [TS]

  can't have something being done with a [TS]

  glance and a significant nod it has to [TS]

  be no one's no one's walking or talking [TS]

  and walking while they're talking [TS]

  they're all just talking over static [TS]

  frames the dsm-4 refers to this is chris [TS]

  claremont syndrome mutant yeah it's you [TS]

  know I love some of this work but but [TS]

  hehe it's not just that he doesn't have [TS]

  his bag of tricks in it and his and his [TS]

  noticeable weaknesses but you know it [TS]

  but I I'm again I think it's fascinating [TS]

  that they put their heroes in this [TS]

  position hand-waving exposition aside of [TS]

  saying alright well i guess i didn't [TS]

  course it's easy for Wolverine to say [TS]

  well I think we just got a killer [TS]

  because that's a very Wolverine thing to [TS]

  say although I actually kind of thought [TS]

  that was not at all a Wolverine thing to [TS]

  say it don't like I thought I'd like a [TS]

  little adventures and don't forget the [TS]

  parlance Avengers vs. x-men thing [TS]

  because first of all you got killer [TS]

  there's no question you have to kill her [TS]

  like that it just seems really obvious [TS]

  after you know basically vision and Jack [TS]

  of Hearts k Jack of Hearts was a bomb [TS]

  her ex-husband you know I mean she and [TS]

  what she did in disassembled like what [TS]

  it what else do you guys need to see but [TS]

  I I to be honest I think of the business [TS]

  meetings onra I thought something that's [TS]

  pretty good I thought their discussions [TS]

  first fuck God how much you love that [TS]

  panel when they first walk in and Xavier [TS]

  sitting there and you see everybody just [TS]

  sit around and really kind of God's [TS]

  gonna be such a long meeting but no I [TS]

  actually really enjoyed this and to me [TS]

  like the scenes the Talmudic scenes [TS]

  where the talking about what should [TS]

  happen what are we doing [TS]

  you know because they're each of them [TS]

  has their own embarrassing things that [TS]

  everybody kind of knows now everybody [TS]

  knows how full of themselves they are [TS]

  and how unhappy they were with their [TS]

  previous lives to where they have these [TS]

  jobs and responsibilities now that are [TS]

  antithetical you know 22 everything we [TS]

  know about them as a character [TS]

  apparently some people get wishes and [TS]

  some people don't like dr. Doom's wish [TS]

  trumped Reed Richards getting away [TS]

  because Reed Richards is dead well [TS]

  nobody likes Reed Richards yeah that's [TS]

  true including Reed Richards apparently [TS]

  I've always you know I've actually [TS]

  wondered if there's like a big old core [TS]

  of self-loathing and in the middle of [TS]

  his giant stretchy brain just because [TS]

  nobody can be that consistently jerky [TS]

  without without even without writing but [TS]

  doesn't the writers hate him obviously [TS]

  but i would like to help these guys like [TS]

  well when you're that smart you feel [TS]

  like disconnected from humanity maybe [TS]

  you turn some of that anger and [TS]

  irritation on yourself [TS]

  I'm which is where they they they were [TS]

  going in that direction with him on the [TS]

  Ultimate Universe for a while but i know [TS]

  that the spin-off stuff that they have [TS]

  going on like i said when i read the [TS]

  Fantastic Four house of them spin-off I [TS]

  thought how has been Grimm's dream to be [TS]

  the subjugated kind of doctor do but [TS]

  where does that fit in [TS]

  no he did he doesn't win Ben Grimm never [TS]

  wins because if it were you know if it [TS]

  were the universe where you're going to [TS]

  pacify him he'd be back to looking like [TS]

  a normal human being like that's that's [TS]

  that's enough thanks Jam for years as i [TS]

  would like not to have skin that doubles [TS]

  as a National Monument and the poor guy [TS]

  never gets it and they had that but also [TS]

  i meani essentially are kind of in not [TS]

  enslave precisely but well first of all [TS]

  he's not a mutant so he's part of the [TS]

  underclass and he's basically getting [TS]

  used as a soldier right now and in that [TS]

  instance but you know I think it was a [TS]

  real standout to me for one because the [TS]

  first of all I despise it's only [TS]

  criminal always a criminal but you know [TS]

  it yeah I a anyway I guess that's not [TS]

  that's a whole different topic but like [TS]

  that the what is the people wish for was [TS]

  to me like such a fantastic piece of [TS]

  this because that was the chuy's part of [TS]

  this for me is is getting through all of [TS]

  that but but you know again at the core [TS]

  the core part of the story is that you [TS]

  know I guess it's kind of a madwoman in [TS]

  the Attic thing in some ways but you [TS]

  know want is so imbalance that she put [TS]

  this thing in place by blow the horn and [TS]

  basically sucking out all of the [TS]

  information net Professor X has cleaned [TS]

  over the years about what people really [TS]

  want in their heart and that's going to [TS]

  enable you know her to pass a file these [TS]

  people are you know keep them in the [TS]

  matrix basically right that would [TS]

  actually swim the Fantastic Four [TS]

  business because if i wanted was not [TS]

  really fantastic for that much is like a [TS]

  having be dead [TS]

  well because what happens is John [TS]

  Johnny Storm shows up in the ironman [TS]

  spin-off yeah where it turns out his [TS]

  fondest fantasies to play second banana [TS]

  Tony Stark who knew [TS]

  yeah and yeah but I don't think that he [TS]

  wants to be the Bucky to Tony stark/iron [TS]

  me so here's the thing i don't think i [TS]

  think it's wrong to say that what this [TS]

  is is everybody getting their wish she's [TS]

  not a genie that's something everybody [TS]

  which climate it right she is I think [TS]

  it's absolutely right to say what she's [TS]

  doing is is setting up a world where [TS]

  we're like you said the people who are [TS]

  most likely going to be a threat to her [TS]

  are are pacified it's it's a psychic [TS]

  bribe and as soon as you get and the [TS]

  other ones don't matter right it's like [TS]

  that doesn't have a Ben Grimm is is an [TS]

  underclass in that rich riches did she [TS]

  just needs to set it up enough that they [TS]

  biggest threats to her are off the table [TS]

  and then she brings but she's also got a [TS]

  great little thing that you have to dig [TS]

  into a little bit you know they keep [TS]

  talking about popping a stitch [TS]

  well it you know yeah Madame web is [TS]

  there to be the wolf [TS]

  she's like the harvey keitel character [TS]

  something like it's her job to go in and [TS]

  like take you to this little Madame web [TS]

  reeducation camp to remind you that [TS]

  there's no man behind the curtain which [TS]

  I thought was pretty subtle but very [TS]

  interesting because you can see I don't [TS]

  know if it's that there's a Robert [TS]

  Reynolds guy who I don't know that [TS]

  character at all that's going to talk to [TS]

  Stephen strange but you know you can [TS]

  definitely tell me and don't you get the [TS]

  sense that like the people are walking [TS]

  around going doesn't something seems not [TS]

  quite right and i really did get the [TS]

  feeling that you know again like some [TS]

  people can remember what happened [TS]

  because they were cloaked by ms 17 [TS]

  spells or whatever dr. strange stuff but [TS]

  but part of what made it so fascinating [TS]

  to me also as they were just automatons [TS]

  you know obviously the second issue it [TS]

  was a great i thought it was really well [TS]

  done presentation my daughter found [TS]

  confusing weird why won 27 together in [TS]

  after school too but you know in into [TS]

  this i'm carrying i'm sorry but the [TS]

  second the second one I thought was was [TS]

  really really fun popcorn comic book [TS]

  stuff but with a heart and you know [TS]

  again it's like any of us it's almost [TS]

  like the wire right we're all [TS]

  compromised by some system you know [TS]

  whatever system we are beholding to will [TS]

  ultimately corrupt us and in this case [TS]

  that's our own desires and wishes [TS]

  especially when we see what happens with [TS]

  Wolverine which you know [TS]

  I'm a boomerang family what happens [TS]

  Wolverine in this i thought was just [TS]

  completely amazing [TS]

  oh it isn't a lot of the story I thought [TS]

  that was I thought that was really good [TS]

  Marlon that I'm glad I'm glad you're [TS]

  here really glad you helped me thank you [TS]

  p 1 the part of the story is here's the [TS]

  price of of you getting what you want [TS]

  right the dream all along was this [TS]

  mutant utopia that was that was that was [TS]

  you know Magneto's dream it's a sort of [TS]

  the ideal of the x-men in some ways and [TS]

  here they get some of that and it's it's [TS]

  really not that great at you know it's [TS]

  great for them in the lives but as soon [TS]

  as they remember what their other lives [TS]

  are like they're like oh my god this is [TS]

  terrible i can't believe that this is [TS]

  that this has happened and so it's a [TS]

  nice it's a nice twist to be able to to [TS]

  have that and that's really what what [TS]

  issue 2 and sort of issue 3 r is really [TS]

  it's just the the memory brigade going [TS]

  from person to person and having them [TS]

  remember their past and with spider-man [TS]

  I mean that's the most for me that was [TS]

  by far the most effective thing in here [TS]

  that's the thing i remembered other than [TS]

  no more mutants at the end was what [TS]

  happened to Peter Parker's Peter Parker [TS]

  you know you can really rewrite his life [TS]

  to be happy [TS]

  intentionally that got to catch a break [TS]

  sometimes yeah yeah exactly and so in [TS]

  this he sort of is set up in this [TS]

  wonderful scenario and so when he [TS]

  discovers that it's all a fake [TS]

  it's it's brutal it's really really [TS]

  brutal and that you know I I appreciated [TS]

  that is as painful as that was to see [TS]

  because you know you're really kind of [TS]

  threw remembering all these terrible [TS]

  things that have happened to Peter [TS]

  Parker enjoy the time for that I'd so i [TS]

  read i read the tie-in and it's [TS]

  confusing because like you said it's [TS]

  it-it-it it's hard to see where would be [TS]

  because you wonder why peter has short [TS]

  hair in inhibition is it [TS]

  yeah he shakes his head but the end he [TS]

  fakes his death and goes off to a lake [TS]

  with his family and that couldn't have [TS]

  no it you know one of the things about [TS]

  this is it is this kind of speculation [TS]

  kind of thing and though these tying [TS]

  issues in some ways it's really like [TS]

  it's just an excuse to tell stories and [TS]

  I mean why why do some people have [TS]

  memory and some people don't why do some [TS]

  people you know have their dreams come [TS]

  true and others don't it's mostly [TS]

  because they came up with some good [TS]

  story ideas but the spider-man thing [TS]

  just is not in the same story as that [TS]

  regular house of em series its gentle at [TS]

  the whole thing can be explained away by [TS]

  by well you know what is unstable and [TS]

  her brain can only do so much and you [TS]

  know a lot of things don't line up and [TS]

  that's just what this weird alternate [TS]

  reality is like I just hope that they [TS]

  don't you know when they started an age [TS]

  of apocalypse standalone series was like [TS]

  okay that that totally that's fine but I [TS]

  i really hope they never go that route [TS]

  with the house of m universe because I I [TS]

  just don't think that it works outside [TS]

  of the limited range of what they did [TS]

  with it here it just it barely holds [TS]

  together this way that where we forgive [TS]

  a lot of continuity issues but I just [TS]

  you know it's it's an important thing [TS]

  it's after-effects are very important in [TS]

  a big deal as Merlin touched on earlier [TS]

  but I just hope that they don't go you [TS]

  know that was really successful we [TS]

  should probably start an alternate [TS]

  reality series and then find a way to [TS]

  cross it over with the main universe [TS]

  again and confuse everybody all over [TS]

  again for once I'd like to see an [TS]

  alternate universe where the mutants [TS]

  don't hate the humans that just kind of [TS]

  ignore them or they peacefully coexist [TS]

  with them and there's not this really [TS]

  sharp you know well now that we have the [TS]

  upper hand it's time to see how you like [TS]

  being called names and and being denied [TS]

  professional opportunities haha i mean [TS]

  the x-men has always been a really handy [TS]

  metaphor for four other nests and [TS]

  society you know sometimes it's a [TS]

  stand-in for civil rights a lot of times [TS]

  it can be standing for civil rights and [TS]

  you know what i don't like is how the [TS]

  alternate universe default messages [TS]

  oh if you give those minorities right [TS]

  spell immediately turned up with the [TS]

  boot on your neck like I think that sky [TS]

  I think that's lazy storytelling it's [TS]

  not very thoughtful [TS]

  yeah it is a switcheroo not a not an [TS]

  actual exploration of what if the x-men [TS]

  or Magneto necessarily got their way [TS]

  it's like yeah because it's not what if [TS]

  we were treated equally it's what if we [TS]

  ruled you haha no i mean if you want to [TS]

  get if you wanted to look at it and far [TS]

  more offensive term sipping mutants and [TS]

  human beings you could say pick a [TS]

  disenfranchised minority in the United [TS]

  States and what if they got the upper [TS]

  hand well they'd put you in your place [TS]

  like that's why it's like that's why [TS]

  it's like Planet of the Apes to me is is [TS]

  you right into me x-men x-men is very [TS]

  much [TS]

  it's it you know I've enjoyed some of [TS]

  the ultimate stuff I've enjoyed you know [TS]

  lots of enjoyed some of the season 1 [TS]

  stuff that's happened just [TS]

  because its funder with your kid or [TS]

  whatever but you know one of the things [TS]

  that I think makes everything difficult [TS]

  10 and 15 and 20 years on its why the [TS]

  eighties and nineties were so bananas [TS]

  for Marvel's marvelous humble the [TS]

  Midianites and beyond [TS]

  was that you know each one of those [TS]

  comics was really of a time and this [TS]

  sounds so obvious but i think it always [TS]

  needs to be underscored is that if you [TS]

  if you go back and read the Fantastic [TS]

  Four in the context of an a nuclear age [TS]

  if you are you know where the hawk for [TS]

  that matter but base race but if you [TS]

  yeah short but if you read the x-men and [TS]

  maybe I'm over reading this but like to [TS]

  me it's very much about civil rights and [TS]

  yeah you know and then go to jump two [TS]

  days of future past I mean that's a [TS]

  pretty good and well that God loves me [TS]

  go get gotten God loves man kills oh man [TS]

  practically and which I thought was [TS]

  fantastic but a fantastic it's just all [TS]

  they're the best striker gets under your [TS]

  skin but you know I I thought it was I [TS]

  thought it was well I mean I don't know [TS]

  there's so many ways this stuff can go [TS]

  wrong and I don't want to you know email [TS]

  Jason but there's so many things where I [TS]

  tried to pick up something like secret [TS]

  invasion or i'm told that fear itself [TS]

  can mostly be read you know in this way [TS]

  but just there's like 14 inches apart my [TS]

  saying a fear itself on the shelf and I [TS]

  find that very intimidating in this case [TS]

  I was really happy to see even if I [TS]

  bought a TPB time for this which did a [TS]

  bunch of them but I was really happy [TS]

  that I didn't have to have all of that [TS]

  yes this did work on its own but again i [TS]

  can't get away from the basic framing [TS]

  device it wasn't just like oh something [TS]

  topsy-turvy happened you know it's all [TS]

  based and then again I don't wanna turn [TS]

  Wanda and as they say the crazy woman in [TS]

  the attic but i love the energy [TS]

  yes well she's literally in the Attic [TS]

  like she made a face like a body pic [TS]

  oyer she's actually is that she is [TS]

  actually in the Attic I mean I mean call [TS]

  the first mrs. Rochester the first mrs. [TS]

  Rochester went with yeah I try to [TS]

  explain to my daughter and like I said [TS]

  she's like oh Stephens making the hand [TS]

  thing he's gonna go up and talk to one [TS]

  day he sees a light up there and she's [TS]

  playing lego with her kids and it's you [TS]

  I was like so you understand how many [TS]

  levels of bananas are here she doesn't [TS]

  she kind of knows this is happening but [TS]

  she doesn't know it's happening that she [TS]

  know she's doing it and then on top of [TS]

  it all down her dad's big day she's got [TS]

  a fake body version of herself wandering [TS]

  around sochi completely go with her [TS]

  make-believe children in the tower that [TS]

  doesn't exist [TS]

  oh I never leave them far from me is [TS]

  that because you're crazy or is because [TS]

  that because your magic doesn't work [TS]

  that well yet and yet i really like this [TS]

  can be both [TS]

  oh yeah well she's super creepy she has [TS]

  enough brainpower to go [TS]

  Oh dr. strange hold on a minute let me [TS]

  get door move for you [TS]

  he's right over here she has she has [TS]

  this endless amount of bandwidth all of [TS]

  a sudden where she can play legos other [TS]

  kids fight Doctor Strange entertain [TS]

  party guests and movable wall then for [TS]

  all why she's so dangerous and she's [TS]

  that good at this [TS]

  yeah but like this this whole thing that [TS]

  we're getting into something that I that [TS]

  I think I I lost track i don't know if [TS]

  it's jason or Lisa who who put it this [TS]

  way but but it feels like you know I had [TS]

  a blade of grass moves in the Marvel [TS]

  Universe and suddenly everything's [TS]

  coming up Hitler would just step back [TS]

  I i know i don't have that gift of a [TS]

  gift of phraseology well that wasn't [TS]

  something that was my rephrasing [TS]

  crystallization of avoiding you guys [TS]

  were saying where there's there's there [TS]

  there's the there's the step butterfly [TS]

  thing and everything suddenly goes to [TS]

  talent Aryan right now I've now I'm [TS]

  thinking of the musical about gypsy rose [TS]

  lee deserve everything coming up roses [TS]

  everything's coming up hit large role in [TS]

  Australia having read those incredible [TS]

  hulk it turns out [TS]

  Australia's run by Nazi mutants it is [TS]

  totally as everything's calm it it's not [TS]

  some units in Australia which Magnus [TS]

  tolerates Magneto's closest followers [TS]

  back from when there was asteroid and [TS]

  all that stuff and there's lots of [TS]

  shoulder pads in the nineties these guys [TS]

  are the the followers of this jewish [TS]

  holocaust survivor have turned Australia [TS]

  into into the mutant right [TS]

  yes just about to ask with logical [TS]

  that's never really past this that the [TS]

  the ideological consistency check you [TS]

  know I would think that he'd be [TS]

  dedicated to never again they did haha [TS]

  oh oh oh but here's the thing here's the [TS]

  thing is is this is Pietro's idea that [TS]

  he cooks up to keep his sister lines and [TS]

  wellness [TS]

  spoiler horn blaring horn blaring it's [TS]

  like that twist every time I get to that [TS]

  twist your doctor strange in that lower [TS]

  right hand corner is like it wasn't [TS]

  magnetization um what is this some girl [TS]

  well they didn't protest too much a [TS]

  little too much they're right but you [TS]

  know this is a couple of days a couple [TS]

  threads that I find very interesting [TS]

  personally I mean if you know [TS]

  34-35 our episode allowing I I i would [TS]

  love to talk about Wolverine at some [TS]

  point because the whole will Wolverine [TS]

  remembering thing for some reason just [TS]

  cause I'm always kind of pulling for the [TS]

  little guy that just that really grabbed [TS]

  my heart in this in a similar way to the [TS]

  way that the Peter Parker thing happened [TS]

  but just in terms of a little bit of a [TS]

  plot I and he basically he wakes up [TS]

  what's in the middle of my means in the [TS]

  midst of everybody we got this wonderful [TS]

  thing I thought wonderful thing my [TS]

  daughters like why they keep cutting h5 [TS]

  I said well they keep cutting because [TS]

  they're doing this whistle stop tour of [TS]

  like what's happening with everybody but [TS]

  my senior year on your set apart is [TS]

  great though because it was I think [TS]

  that's an issue to its when we're going [TS]

  through I think so [TS]

  the survey of what's happening people [TS]

  and I thought it was so fun i'm not [TS]

  super familiar with Wonder Man right [TS]

  okay i don't know some of the characters [TS]

  super I had to go look them up but like [TS]

  going through there and it's like Janet [TS]

  as you imagine like janet is a fashion [TS]

  designer and Ororo is like the head of [TS]

  kenya kenya yeah very notion are going [TS]

  all this awesome and in Carroll is [TS]

  finally like this famous superhero but [TS]

  then you cut and you cut to like the the [TS]

  adamantium aquarium and you see bubble [TS]

  bubble bubble you don't mean instead of [TS]

  being like oh it you know it's Wolverine [TS]

  and I'm making s'mores with my claws you [TS]

  see that he just read the Windsor is [TS]

  winter [TS]

  what's the guy's name the guy who did [TS]

  the weapon x process is one story was [TS]

  very windsor-smith with a tough read [TS]

  it's a real tough read about like how [TS]

  now 46 what do I care i still find a [TS]

  very tough read what happened to [TS]

  Wolverine because i think it's a very [TS]

  important part of the story and and why [TS]

  we must always remember that he is in [TS]

  constant pain like none of us will ever [TS]

  realize as his body tries to reject his [TS]

  skeleton every second of the day so but [TS]

  instead of you go [TS]

  I was great here's Jana its wide-ranging [TS]

  stress of course [TS]

  well here I have [TS]

  to prep for the night the UM [TS]

  particularly the one seen any see the [TS]

  aquarium right mrs. and you thinking hmm [TS]

  that's kind of interesting so he's faced [TS]

  what he's always wanted to be like my [TS]

  email like what is going on why is he [TS]

  breathing underwater and then he screams [TS]

  in pain and you up from a nightmare [TS]

  yes with a shit with shape-shifted [TS]

  mystique saying looks like it looks like [TS]

  it's jean grey and is a little freaked [TS]

  out at first but it's not be ready [TS]

  nicest recognize it as him but the thing [TS]

  is the Tank part we recognize I think [TS]

  anybody who's ready even a couple of [TS]

  these comments will recognize that as [TS]

  his life altering experience where his [TS]

  bone two bones were all with adamantium [TS]

  got used to his bounds where they [TS]

  basically dissolved the dissolved his [TS]

  entire body covered him with adamantium [TS]

  and then let it regenerate so that's a [TS]

  pretty wow that doesn't seem very fun [TS]

  now but he wakes up next to jean grey [TS]

  but no she's not Jean Grey's mystique [TS]

  know they're like on the Helicarrier [TS]

  because he's like a theory sentinels of [TS]

  the red team and and he's running yeah [TS]

  he's he's he's essentially a shield [TS]

  stooge that's making mistake and he's [TS]

  working for Sebastian Shaw his bosses [TS]

  get fashion show [TS]

  that's just wrong shots running shield [TS]

  it'sit's um course how much did you love [TS]

  the scene in Connecticut though at i had [TS]

  had the whole God and Scott Nana's house [TS]

  where ya and I was like oh yeah honey [TS]

  what else do you notice it's kind of [TS]

  weird about this and she's like there's [TS]

  a sentinel flag but it was so subtle but [TS]

  I thought it was so perfect like what is [TS]

  what is going on in this monkey balls [TS]

  universe now the background on this is [TS]

  beautiful and so is the supporting the [TS]

  supporting stuff like there will the [TS]

  pulse newspaper and the pop-culture [TS]

  stuff the advertisements they go to they [TS]

  go to Emma's house and then Scott is [TS]

  coming over and they've already kind of [TS]

  woken her up and I was really amused by [TS]

  that especially because I until I read [TS]

  Joss Whedon's astonishing x-men I didn't [TS]

  realize this new status quo which is [TS]

  that that Emma Frost is in the x-men and [TS]

  she's she's going out with [TS]

  Scott Summers I always thought that was [TS]

  kind of bizarre and yet actually kind of [TS]

  brilliant i actually kind of love that [TS]

  that there's this Scott Summers Emma [TS]

  Frost thing I think it is the thing that [TS]

  makes Scott Summers the most interesting [TS]

  he's ever been and there's that great [TS]

  moment in house of them that I don't [TS]

  know maybe maybe it's just me but i love [TS]

  the moment where they look down and [TS]

  realize that they're married they have [TS]

  wedding rings and it's like higher we [TS]

  married right because they're together [TS]

  but if necessary let me too cool to be [TS]

  married his daughter Laila has started [TS]

  to her business on everybody [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah but that's their moment [TS]

  when they when they wake up after [TS]

  Wolverine or jumps off of the [TS]

  Helicarrier into times square [TS]

  yes and sees all the ads for everybody [TS]

  as you do [TS]

  yeah he's like oh great Wonder Man [TS]

  dazzler Mary Jane Watson and and miss [TS]

  marvel are the most popular people on [TS]

  the planet dazzlers Oprah basically it's [TS]

  truly is a dystopia I'm well it is [TS]

  because she is a talented singer and [TS]

  shouldn't be hosting a talk show you get [TS]

  a disco bar you get a disco ball you get [TS]

  a disco ball and you know I think I [TS]

  think dazzler gets gets an [TS]

  extraordinarily unfair amount of crap [TS]

  and if you've read Greg box extreme [TS]

  x-men series that just recently got to [TS]

  got canceled yeah unfortunately that's [TS]

  the star and she's awesome and she's [TS]

  awesome [TS]

  like she has the full shut up tension [TS]

  that the merchants that one more night [TS]

  crawlers the kid [TS]

  yes yeah yes and and Charles Xavier is a [TS]

  severed head in a bubble isn't available [TS]

  on Marvel unlimited Nighy I thought yet [TS]

  I think it's on comixology yeah but it [TS]

  but this is the critical critical the [TS]

  critical point here I think we're the [TS]

  story turns the second time now is when [TS]

  Wolverine wakes up you know even if I [TS]

  have again i'm explaining to my daughter [TS]

  she's five and i'm trying to call why [TS]

  wait a minute [TS]

  wat why is a sentinel doesn't seem a [TS]

  little crazy so each turn I'm trying to [TS]

  like you know feed her a little bit of [TS]

  like what's coming because it's a lot to [TS]

  cover but then Wolverine wakes up and [TS]

  two interesting things happen you know [TS]

  first of all he thinks something's up [TS]

  he's the only one we've met so far like [TS]

  you know Peter Parker's pretty smart and [TS]

  he's got spidey sense and stuff and he [TS]

  doesn't know anything is up in his world [TS]

  although he does seem a little bit [TS]

  where did we figure out that he's been [TS]

  kind of been going monkey balls the [TS]

  whole time is exactly what Laura again [TS]

  the this is to me completely off topic [TS]

  but the Robert Reynolds thing or [TS]

  whatever is that there are people who [TS]

  you know something happens with the red [TS]

  gelatin and they know that there's a [TS]

  matrix thing going on the blackness in [TS]

  his case or whatever but two things [TS]

  first of all Wolverine realizes [TS]

  something is amiss [TS]

  that's very interesting the readers are [TS]

  realizing that but then one of my [TS]

  favorite [TS]

  I don't know that love the little guy [TS]

  something happens that's very important [TS]

  in the history of wolverine because it's [TS]

  part of what made his character his [TS]

  character and what happens he suddenly [TS]

  remembers his life [TS]

  yes we have it it's been a huge thing I [TS]

  mean apart from his purse itís that [TS]

  he's had has all the time from the [TS]

  adamantium he doesn't know how old he is [TS]

  we know he's been around since at least [TS]

  like what the Civil War he's probably a [TS]

  hundred and fifty years old and then [TS]

  suddenly there's that heartbreaking like [TS]

  I don't know heartbreaking scene for me [TS]

  where he's like wait a minute he's [TS]

  staying on the Helicarrier the magneto [TS]

  Helicarrier with magneto flags and goes [TS]

  I remember everything I remember my [TS]

  whole life is just wonderful i love [TS]

  these kinds of montages i love the Jean [TS]

  Grey montage and all-new x-men that [TS]

  accomplishes this but is our Peter [TS]

  Parker one and this is great and you see [TS]

  this two-page spread of like this flash [TS]

  of memories you know and when he see him [TS]

  with his bone claws fighting on what a [TS]

  bear or something but I mean like to [TS]

  meet a man at a call [TS]

  haha but did you guys like that I i [TS]

  don't know i might just sentimental or [TS]

  you know if it's your story wise [TS]

  obviously it's interesting that he's [TS]

  realized this and he doesn't know why he [TS]

  doesn't know why it's crazy and he [TS]

  doesn't know and I'm trying to find my [TS]

  daughter like you see like all the [TS]

  levels of crazy here once got these [TS]

  levels of crazy now Wolverine well woke [TS]

  up and he feels like he's taking crazy [TS]

  pills because he knows it's wrong [TS]

  he knows it shouldn't be any says to [TS]

  mustique like we're worried yesterday [TS]

  because because all he knows is that [TS]

  like yesterday he was in a different you [TS]

  know marvel universe so anyway I the [TS]

  fact that he's gets his memory back on [TS]

  her clit acute memory i think is super [TS]

  super interesting to the story even [TS]

  before we meet Layla who knows stuff [TS]

  well thatthat's I mean isn't that the [TS]

  joy of this of [TS]

  of this whole thing I mean I honestly [TS]

  there's there's a big fight at the end i [TS]

  mean really the plot of this is [TS]

  everybody remembers that this is a fake [TS]

  and then there's a big fight and then [TS]

  that that's the end I mean that's kind [TS]

  of that's our kind of the Icebreaker in [TS]

  the Marvel Universe what they are was a [TS]

  fight there or did they are in the end [TS]

  and we have and we have that but I'm [TS]

  just saying the way droppings got Scott [TS]

  monologue about fighting a lot longer [TS]

  than they actually fight i'm just gonna [TS]

  tell you it's it's no world war hulk in [TS]

  terms of fights and I'm just gonna say [TS]

  about that but it was like 68 pages of [TS]

  fighting and then likes got talking for [TS]

  several pages about the ethics of [TS]

  fighting thats that's what this what [TS]

  this is in the house of m is really [TS]

  interesting stories about how these [TS]

  characters little vignettes almost in [TS]

  some cases how these characters deal [TS]

  with their different situation and [TS]

  that's really what what what is [TS]

  interesting to me about it i mean that [TS]

  they're the fights that happens [TS]

  icebreakers and the we're gonna go to [TS]

  Genosha and fight things and which is [TS]

  like a replay of how this all started [TS]

  sort of you know that that was much less [TS]

  interesting to me actually think you [TS]

  later that the spider-man things [TS]

  Wolverine is absolutely true [TS]

  Hawkeye which we haven't really talked [TS]

  about which who is dead in Avengers [TS]

  disassembled it's easily the second [TS]

  least annoying Hawkeye ever know the [TS]

  current the current talk a lot of every [TS]

  hawkeye were talking about is pretty hot [TS]

  what hey easy tax heard Curt Hawkeye [TS]

  which is one of the best comics ever and [TS]

  then like it normally like a wise a [TS]

  purple man in a dress like part of the [TS]

  adventures that's a different thing [TS]

  the arms ache Jason Jason you're the [TS]

  you're the the spider guy do you wanna [TS]

  maybe flush out this because I'll tell [TS]

  you i love when I turn that page the [TS]

  babies crying and then you see that [TS]

  blonde hair and you're like oh yeah well [TS]

  that's what's that if they were doing [TS]

  and if that George O'Keefe white flash [TS]

  was real man something just crazy balls [TS]

  just happy at the end of the first issue [TS]

  that's all we see is the little there's [TS]

  a picture and uh and some and some [TS]

  blonde hair and that it had no red hair [TS]

  no you just hit a double jackpot tiger [TS]

  you have also so it's when we discovered [TS]

  the Peter Parker's not just like happy [TS]

  and doesn't just like have Gwen Stacy [TS]

  alive he is famous rich has a big giant [TS]

  conglomerate is an entertainment star is [TS]

  known as most better man and Peter [TS]

  Parker is married to Gwen Stacy they [TS]

  have a son is buying Norman Osborn out [TS]

  from under himself yes [TS]

  headbutt has bought out all Norman [TS]

  Osborn stuff Gwen Stacy drops the hammer [TS]

  when Stacy Parker drops the hammer on [TS]

  Norman Osborn he buys all the stuffs [TS]

  have fun and see what else I uncle ben's [TS]

  alive and man alive [TS]

  captain Stacy is alive he's not racked [TS]

  with constant Peter Parker this anymore [TS]

  which is given as you say that this [TS]

  becomes like age of fear planet house of [TS]

  them like will be bummed but like in [TS]

  this case you're like oh god the guy [TS]

  Connor break he's got my daughter loves [TS]

  Richie like all yeah he's two or three [TS]

  he's so cute he's got the little boy and [TS]

  you go like oh god [TS]

  Uncle Ben you know it's I in and you're [TS]

  like you aren't you a pretty big spider [TS]

  and guy [TS]

  oh yeah goodbye my love goes up and down [TS]

  low but I mean from back in the day like [TS]

  we talked about this on the another [TS]

  program identified by five and like how [TS]

  it sits so one of the things that makes [TS]

  well maybe arguably you guys tell me if [TS]

  you think otherwise but i think one of [TS]

  the things so obvious makes Peter [TS]

  Parker's spider and such a great [TS]

  character is that as awesome as he is as [TS]

  funny as he is and talented and helpful [TS]

  and the fact that he'll like stop what [TS]

  he's doing and like he's he's never got [TS]

  any money [TS]

  he's always poor and he'll like stop [TS]

  whatever he's doing because he feels [TS]

  like he has to help somebody because [TS]

  there's still that one day from 1960 [TS]

  diggity 123 or whatever it was he [TS]

  screwed up really bad one time and that [TS]

  now defines his character in a way that [TS]

  I think is pretty credible a lot of the [TS]

  time and he doesn't have that now he's [TS]

  got the woman that he loved and my god [TS]

  when you see that one panel with the [TS]

  snap [TS]

  doesn't that just gonna break your heart [TS]

  a little its with with great power comes [TS]

  great riches and success [TS]

  apparently in this world and attending [TS]

  publicist named jay jones gmail yes yes [TS]

  yes he hires Jonah as his publicist so [TS]

  that he can treat them like dirt and [TS]

  it's it's it's it [TS]

  yeah it's interesting because it is such [TS]

  a departure and it isn't the Peter [TS]

  Parker that we know and at you know i [TS]

  was fascinated from that the whole idea [TS]

  of like well and finally he's got a he's [TS]

  got a break but that's of course the [TS]

  thing is this can't this can't stay and [TS]

  it's got to go back and it and but it's [TS]

  very upsetting for him because he's [TS]

  really got [TS]

  you know this wonderful life that he has [TS]

  to give up and so from his perspective [TS]

  all of a sudden he's losing his child [TS]

  and his wife and his uncle who he or she [TS]

  lost so painfully so long ago and got [TS]

  back and and Gwen's father and you know [TS]

  and it's but he didn't know again like [TS]

  not to beat to death but he's got my [TS]

  family he doesn't I mean like it's one [TS]

  thing that like protect and maintain her [TS]

  numerous heart attacks as his diary [TS]

  reveals but you know twisted insane [TS]

  diary his diary but that that's in that [TS]

  looks like his diary that's like out of [TS]

  the out of this the the pages of the [TS]

  movie seven haha that's a really that's [TS]

  a lot of information for one diary but [TS]

  again he's got a family [TS]

  he's gone he's gone beyond having to [TS]

  worry about basically having the [TS]

  slightly retarded personality i I'm [TS]

  sorry that you know the word i'm trying [TS]

  to use here is using that the kind of [TS]

  backward mentality of a slightly [TS]

  sophisticated high school student to now [TS]

  having a family where he can be a [TS]

  grown-up right and he's genuinely happy [TS]

  which is nice [TS]

  he's a fully-realized adult he's [TS]

  literally getting to where the daddy [TS]

  pins [TS]

  yes of course he's it's all it's all a [TS]

  sham because he said said to everyone [TS]

  that he's a mutant and he's not all that [TS]

  I see that was the best part of the time [TS]

  because I hadn't thought about that a [TS]

  lot i mean in that got me thinking why [TS]

  did you kill Luke Cage in my beloved [TS]

  black cat like what why were they [TS]

  allowed to still live you know what I [TS]

  mean it's not like they're they were [TS]

  used to make soylent green or something [TS]

  but but in spite his case he didn't he [TS]

  was passing his pattern Rams passing [TS]

  strange well it's the then this whole [TS]

  thing for me brought up a bigger [TS]

  question that continue to ripple across [TS]

  the timestream as I jumped from [TS]

  crossover crossover in the wrong order [TS]

  in a way that could only be bad for my [TS]

  brain where I started thinking about [TS]

  well what what is a mutant really and [TS]

  why do we not classify Peter Parker is a [TS]

  mutant it is all well he wasn't born [TS]

  that way so that second drill [TS]

  well they don't they don't have that she [TS]

  didn't have the gene they don't have the [TS]

  gene but the the fluffy science that [TS]

  they used to define all the stuff in the [TS]

  first place kind of starts to fall apart [TS]

  when it's well is it is it a gene [TS]

  sequence because then theoretically you [TS]

  could have the same kind of [TS]

  in sequence be what has been inserted [TS]

  into jessica andrews DNA what [TS]

  well depending on which of the 17 [TS]

  different versions there now are of [TS]

  Peter Parker's origin as spider-man you [TS]

  go with you know that it gets more and [TS]

  more complicated as to well how mutated [TS]

  are you really well i always like that [TS]

  in ultimate spider-man where there is [TS]

  this in the Ultimate Universe there is [TS]

  this kind of dichotomy between humans [TS]

  and mutants to and it's a little bit [TS]

  differently drawn than it is in the main [TS]

  Marvel Universe I like that that [TS]

  spider-man is I think basically assumed [TS]

  to be Peter Parker assumed to be a [TS]

  mutant in his interactions with the [TS]

  x-men and when he's dating Kitty Pryde [TS]

  and it puts him in an interesting [TS]

  position because what he can't do is say [TS]

  oh no no no I'm not a mutant you can [TS]

  like me because his friends are there [TS]

  are mutants and and that puts him in [TS]

  this terrible position of saying you [TS]

  don't have to discriminate against me [TS]

  i'm not a mutant and so we just started [TS]

  just deals with it that they think he's [TS]

  a mutant even though he's not that but [TS]

  that also gets to that to the core [TS]

  discrimination issue which is that you [TS]

  know we as enlighten people can look at [TS]

  people of many races and say well [TS]

  certainly there are differences but [TS]

  there's nothing genetically that makes [TS]

  these people who look a certain way bad [TS]

  people but that again to me this go [TS]

  straight back to the discrimination [TS]

  thread from the sixties from the you [TS]

  know x-men vol 1 stuff [TS]

  yep which is that you know what you got [TS]

  superpowers that's great you know that's [TS]

  that super you know we are you know wewe [TS]

  really like we love we love Captain [TS]

  Marvel we love whomever but like you [TS]

  know what I've never trusted those [TS]

  mutants because they're different and [TS]

  they think they're better than us homo [TS]

  superior really so i think that's that's [TS]

  a key thing that can't be lost and it's [TS]

  also the threat of them overtaking [TS]

  humanity i think is is is what's playing [TS]

  there at least in the in the storyline [TS]

  is that it always it always has been [TS]

  if you get hit because you're in the [TS]

  street and there's a truck with [TS]

  radioactive material that strikes you in [TS]

  the head makes you blind gives you a [TS]

  radar sense so that you can see but [TS]

  without seeing that's a what I mean well [TS]

  how often is that going to happen what's [TS]

  right part of my mates striker so great [TS]

  in God loves man kills which I really [TS]

  don't know if you guys are fans but like [TS]

  I just got [TS]

  i recommend that but Kylie and I am as a [TS]

  standalone standalone yes-men story it's [TS]

  pretty hard to beat because he said its [TS]

  I mean for those of you who are anywhere [TS]

  near my advanced age you really remember [TS]

  i said since without judgment criticism [TS]

  but there was a time in the eighties [TS]

  where we were pretty overrun by like TV [TS]

  ministers and zealots who were going way [TS]

  out of their way to create these you [TS]

  know bifurcations in the culture and and [TS]

  that's why i thought that was so [TS]

  effective in that case and in this case [TS]

  you know obviously is taking this thing [TS]

  in turning it on its head but I don't [TS]

  know I thought the idea you know the [TS]

  phrase passing strange the idea that you [TS]

  could pass because there was a time [TS]

  especially in the US where if you are [TS]

  very light-skinned you know that Lena [TS]

  Horne I think Lena Horne i try to [TS]

  remember this correctly but people with [TS]

  the skin tone of a lena horne could get [TS]

  away with being white which is why they [TS]

  would say that their their Latin there [TS]

  sure anybody watching part puerto rican [TS]

  but I watched Ken Burns's jazz thing you [TS]

  know that you know Louie Armstrong did [TS]

  not get to sleep in the nice hotels even [TS]

  exactly gifted musician in America and I [TS]

  I thought they just that well can I I [TS]

  the thing that I just can't let go of an [TS]

  in-house of em is that those those [TS]

  little holes that are poked in it where [TS]

  I'm like well this is this is really [TS]

  more more like an issue of what if [TS]

  stretched out then in a full-on [TS]

  storyline because this character in this [TS]

  character in this character there I I [TS]

  almost can't understand why they would [TS]

  wish for this like why would why would [TS]

  the Hulk's most fervent wish b2b out at [TS]

  peace among a bunch of aboriginals and [TS]

  then have to reenact world war hulk are [TS]

  not world war hulk planet hulk to some [TS]

  extent in Australia and and still not be [TS]

  happy and at peace like why are none of [TS]

  these people's most farthest but because [TS]

  he goes back to jason's theory that [TS]

  wanted was strategically deploying [TS]

  people into into lives that would keep [TS]

  them distracted and away from her but [TS]

  also but all she also i mean like this [TS]

  to me is is work it's interesting also [TS]

  is that she placed everybody it's never [TS]

  been played video games but what like [TS]

  sims or something like that [TS]

  just started out you put all these [TS]

  people into this little environments [TS]

  that ok or dnd for example like i'm [TS]

  going to give you this vorpal weapon in [TS]

  this mini heart boots and in this gold [TS]

  and then we'll see what happens [TS]

  like I've set you up but in this [TS]

  instance who knows like we're in that [TS]

  whatever 15 years that this has been [TS]

  going on that didn't get the census this [TS]

  has been happening because remember he [TS]

  goes to the mansion and the guy says [TS]

  he's been living in saviors place for 15 [TS]

  years so this is and yet there are [TS]

  callbacks to stuff that's happened in [TS]

  the past like jonah Jameson right so [TS]

  it's something there's there's something [TS]

  that's happened [TS]

  we're at some point in the timeline [TS]

  things changed and like that was [TS]

  acceptable but I also i'm what makes [TS]

  this work for me and maybe this is my [TS]

  own personal reckoning and myself but I [TS]

  i think part of it might also be like [TS]

  yeah okay I set you up with the thing [TS]

  you wanted and now i'm gonna play mr. [TS]

  Rourke and i'm just going to sit back [TS]

  and lucky I'm gonna see what happens [TS]

  with you make maybe things didn't go [TS]

  well for gambit like like who knows but [TS]

  you know I didn't read the hawk one I [TS]

  didn't love the art in it the the art [TS]

  the art and the Hulk one didn't put me [TS]

  off as much as the art in the ironman [TS]

  tie in which I mostly read because I [TS]

  great park road it and I'm obsessed with [TS]

  the guy [TS]

  yep and it there there are some bits of [TS]

  art in some of these crossovers that put [TS]

  me off a little bit yeah but none of [TS]

  them put me off so much that I just [TS]

  couldn't read it if it was it was a [TS]

  series of Italian that I wanted to read [TS]

  anyway so one of the things i like [TS]

  Merlin said this and I i like it is [TS]

  there is this a tissue core miniseries [TS]

  and you don't need anything else [TS]

  you really don't to tell the story and [TS]

  then there's the side trips and it's [TS]

  almost like it doesn't matter whether [TS]

  the side trips are in the continuity or [TS]

  not because the spider-man really [TS]

  doesn't make any sense and continuity at [TS]

  all the way it ends up except we get to [TS]

  see him tortured in a different universe [TS]

  yeah its total it's more of this more [TS]

  more pain if you would like [TS]

  are you interested in this pain that [TS]

  you've seen for Peter Parker we have [TS]

  five issues for you to read if you'd [TS]

  like to see it in detail right if you'd [TS]

  like to see pockets and a self-addressed [TS]

  stamped envelope yeah and-and-and you'll [TS]

  get some more Peter Parker pain because [TS]

  with the there's plenty to go around but [TS]

  I did like that about it that everything [TS]

  else is just sort of like you not [TS]

  required reading its it follow your your [TS]

  interest there's a thing with hot [TS]

  guy coming back from the dead there's [TS]

  the Iron Man stuff there's the Hulk [TS]

  stuff there's the always the other one [TS]

  that i read that i mean it there were [TS]

  lots of different different times but [TS]

  they weren't really none of them felt [TS]

  remotely necessary and so it was really [TS]

  just sort of like whatever you know [TS]

  happened to get your attention to the [TS]

  Fantastic Four [TS]

  I think what wolverine wolverine [TS]

  spider-man why I flip through a bunch [TS]

  and read it read a couple and I flipped [TS]

  in again and this is like me and Craig [TS]

  around where like if I see a certain [TS]

  kind of art I just go close the book it [TS]

  just drives me bananas but i think the [TS]

  wolverine time oh I'm glad Wolverine [TS]

  tions yet you know what he needs to me [TS]

  to meet a woman who has a second [TS]

  expression but the the walgreens my [TS]

  internet that was very good i thought [TS]

  the spider anti and even though i was [TS]

  little dissatisfied with how it you know [TS]

  kind of didn't relate like a pocket that [TS]

  pocket but I'm but fantastic four of the [TS]

  captain america Brubaker that we're [TS]

  gonna bring in yeah that's that that's [TS]

  good because it it literally is just [TS]

  recapping as America's life recounting [TS]

  the ultimate it's the it's the most [TS]

  definitive sad old man comic ever of all [TS]

  time and when you see anyone check his [TS]

  mail though isn't it pretty great [TS]

  I mean it's he's so old he's well he's [TS]

  so old in that issue to he's a butt [TS]

  isn't like dumb in it i flipped by but [TS]

  it looks like the uri yeah yeah i mean [TS]

  very GMOs in it [TS]

  I mean it here improvement is very true [TS]

  was it that way you can argue that he [TS]

  gets what he wants which is to grow old [TS]

  with this contemporary well away our [TS]

  gang because the big old tragedy of [TS]

  Captain America is always a man out of [TS]

  time and and and he has nothing to live [TS]

  for but it's more he's the first man on [TS]

  the Moon one that that all-star [TS]

  the Moon one that that all-star [TS]

  still fits in here because not three or [TS]

  four pages go by that he doesn't say [TS]

  something along the lines of oh yeah you [TS]

  know the way the world is these days you [TS]

  know it's like it's like I don't belong [TS]

  here like he's still essentially the [TS]

  exact same character [TS]

  yeah tremendously dissatisfied with [TS]

  having you know changed history as he's [TS]

  the worst anything and alone and Bucky [TS]

  hates him and yeah yeah and he's they [TS]

  sort of think he's a traitor and he [TS]

  because he didn't testify and in the [TS]

  McCarthy hearings actually kind of funny [TS]

  but that was a good standalone issue but [TS]

  they're not necessary right and that's [TS]

  that was a nice thing about about all of [TS]

  them totally like you don't I mean [TS]

  that's what's so frustrating at somebody [TS]

  coming in from the outside with the [TS]

  budget is like you oh you gotta buy oh [TS]

  and it's hardly know they just did they [TS]

  just did that whatever-it-was [TS]

  extermination or whatever that was the [TS]

  the alternate reality x-men comics event [TS]

  and it was the last issue of extreme [TS]

  x-men and it was my first time I I [TS]

  thought it was nonsensical and second it [TS]

  was not like I could just buy the by the [TS]

  event and read it it was like I issue 38 [TS]

  of this comic and by issue 22 of this [TS]

  comic and then its continued and it was [TS]

  just it was confusing and and even more [TS]

  transparently an attempt to just get you [TS]

  to buy issues of a comic that you don't [TS]

  read and it always drove me crazy so [TS]

  it's nice it's nice when women's you [TS]

  know the spin-offs are optional the main [TS]

  stories in the main story [TS]

  yeah I like that ever people say this [TS]

  about john byrne I don't know enough to [TS]

  say this is true but you know he's done [TS]

  some stuff people thought was a little [TS]

  wacky sometimes but what people say [TS]

  about him is like he never forgot that [TS]

  the common should be fun and and when [TS]

  you're trying to you know make your [TS]

  business sustainable when the money is [TS]

  tough you know I you've gotta probably [TS]

  make all kinds of nutball decisions you [TS]

  know to get people to go and do it but [TS]

  like you know i love comiXology this is [TS]

  nothing is the app or the people who [TS]

  make it i think this has a lot to do [TS]

  with Marvel but it's frustrating to me [TS]

  like you can go and buy stuff by story [TS]

  arc but you or storyline or whatever but [TS]

  you can't read it that way so like I [TS]

  love fantastic for an FF and frankly if [TS]

  I got the floppies i love the way they [TS]

  interleave like personally like I you [TS]

  know what the Hickman [TS]

  stuff and with the fraction yeah [TS]

  fraction stuff i really like that but [TS]

  it's it's a difficult way to read when [TS]

  you in my case I'm not going to tell you [TS]

  what I did to try and clinical prepare [TS]

  for this i have a sheet of paper next to [TS]

  me from different reading order sites [TS]

  and and and like you know like you know [TS]

  what I'm not going to go out and read is [TS]

  always one iron fist you have to read [TS]

  for everything [TS]

  yeah and what I mean it's like when you [TS]

  buy the Legos in a bag and iris got a [TS]

  great heroes for hire a number 23 so are [TS]

  you saying something is fire fist just [TS]

  so we're clear [TS]

  no I'm just saying I which I reject your [TS]

  notion of mandatory mandatory issues but [TS]

  i think i think there is an iron fist [TS]

  for all seasons not i did that there's [TS]

  apparently never seen it is a torrent [TS]

  you can get at the entire x-men [TS]

  basically every x-men in vertically [TS]

  revised chronological order if it exists [TS]

  but like if you do you know if you just [TS]

  want to read the Phoenix saga or in it [TS]

  you know it [TS]

  some of the things like I want to like [TS]

  decimation anyway long story short I'm [TS]

  really agree with what you said about [TS]

  what I said which is that you know if [TS]

  you're I'm always interested in trying [TS]

  to help other people who like me are [TS]

  adrift in this in this world of marvel [TS]

  comics that can be really confusing and [TS]

  this is I is anybody who wants to go and [TS]

  start [TS]

  personally I think with X titles [TS]

  especially astonishing x-men is a great [TS]

  place to start because if you're a [TS]

  gifted gifted by itself like you don't [TS]

  have to know everything about them but [TS]

  you'll get it [TS]

  and in this case yeah I had to go and [TS]

  look up I don't know misty night I like [TS]

  had to go look that up [TS]

  ok so so at the end of house of them [TS]

  there is this [TS]

  it's like it's like to have a wire you [TS]

  know has that has that next to last [TS]

  episode where everybody dies and then [TS]

  there's the last episode which is the [TS]

  the return sort of like consideration of [TS]

  what's all gone on that's the wrecks [TS]

  that was apologue yeah it's the wrap-up [TS]

  episode so rather than having a [TS]

  crescendo that ends in a cliffhanger [TS]

  like you seen so many shows the wire the [TS]

  penultimate episode which is that's the [TS]

  George Pelecanos episode right everybody [TS]

  dies and then terrible things happen and [TS]

  then there's this summation episode well [TS]

  well how spends a little bit like that [TS]

  because the 8 episode 8 issue episode [TS]

  the eighth issue is after the the [TS]

  chendo of this fight that leads to [TS]

  wander sort of waking up and saying wow [TS]

  this is all happening because we're [TS]

  mutants mutants are stupid [TS]

  no more mutants and and then we have the [TS]

  result which is also the one thing in [TS]

  this other than the memories sweet sweet [TS]

  memories that Peter Parker and wolverine [TS]

  and people like that have of this event [TS]

  everything goes back to normal but this [TS]

  one thing has changed which is the D [TS]

  powering of most of the mutants in the [TS]

  marvel universe which is interesting and [TS]

  I guess has lots of our they're still [TS]

  not that many mutants around even now [TS]

  we're still seeing that and even in [TS]

  something like gradual I mean like you [TS]

  could see the pickup of that in Phoenix [TS]

  stuff i mean i think it's not okay so [TS]

  we'll have boy spoilers spoilers [TS]

  spoilers the last period last boilers [TS]

  for the last eight years as well and I [TS]

  mean you can't think about the last page [TS]

  of this the last two pages of this are a [TS]

  bridge to something that's happened in [TS]

  the last year and I mean I'm still not [TS]

  really clear on who exactly is there's [TS]

  certainly a paging go to find out who [TS]

  got the power and killed you can find [TS]

  out who died with magneto flooded New [TS]

  York these pages for all these things [TS]

  but I'm but you know even now i have to [TS]

  tell you I think the uncanny x-men right [TS]

  now one of the best books out there is [TS]

  interesting because of the same reasons [TS]

  of being powered but so basically knocks [TS]

  Wanda has realized she finally has this [TS]

  huge throw down with her father like you [TS]

  had a sweater was there when they raised [TS]

  by a talking cow is that right choices [TS]

  did magneto like Noah's wife magna like [TS]

  lost it and then he like that left and [TS]

  am I having a stroke [TS]

  didn't he have them raised by a talking [TS]

  cow i thought there was a gypsy if I had [TS]

  a little bit kingdom but a revolutionary [TS]

  is that is that right but I mean I'd [TS]

  like basically abandoned his kids and [TS]

  they've got issues around that and so [TS]

  she she flips out at the end and she [TS]

  realizes that means of the problem [TS]

  yep no more mins isn't a great isn't a [TS]

  great panel them so at the end of house [TS]

  of them no more mutants the Declaration [TS]

  we have the aftermath issue and then [TS]

  this has ramifications in the Marvel [TS]

  Universe to come uh oh god what what so [TS]

  decimation happens later i did read son [TS]

  of them [TS]

  we're we're in Pietro steals shit storm [TS]

  from black bold now don't even it's not [TS]

  it's also an adventure time it's not [TS]

  good like a mad libs where it sits where [TS]

  you I'll take a noun now to describe [TS]

  what Pietro's after and i will take its [TS]

  like Marvel Comics improv Pietro [TS]

  vibrates through time just feel crystals [TS]

  to take his daughter who he has with the [TS]

  girl from the Inhumans will turn her [TS]

  crystal yes and turn her name [TS]

  okay well and there are christmas steals [TS]

  crystals to end but not crystal and then [TS]

  transforms his daughter into a mutant [TS]

  but not a mutant she's just a mutation [TS]

  using the mists the Terrigen mists [TS]

  wetter weather we read these [TS]

  I don't even know why we read these [TS]

  things so what else is there what was [TS]

  the last thing that impact of this did [TS]

  this have positive effects on the [TS]

  stories to just create some other good [TS]

  stories down the road or was this just [TS]

  you know a nice what if that that did a [TS]

  mild reset button that has since been [TS]

  you know counteracted tell me because I [TS]

  honestly I don't know it did it did [TS]

  solve that problem that that case i was [TS]

  talking about when I I for one never [TS]

  really experienced yeah I never [TS]

  understood how so [TS]

  chase there's so many mutants that a [TS]

  large city like New York would actually [TS]

  have like a Chinatown can literally [TS]

  that's like that doesn't make any sense [TS]

  whatsoever to me and so that's one that [TS]

  was a good thing but now they're [TS]

  starting to rewind that again because [TS]

  the again sports spoiler the end of [TS]

  Avengers vs. x-men ends with like the [TS]

  Phoenix force essentially blanketing the [TS]

  entire planet with some sort of a [TS]

  revitalization of mutation like the the [TS]

  gentle giant got the giant mystic [TS]

  MacGuffin of mutation has been a pilot i [TS]

  got a real it and so now we're going to [TS]

  see a lot more mutants of you dust but [TS]

  that was all set up here right and it [TS]

  was all set up here because they're in [TS]

  the end they going where did all that [TS]

  mean energy go and then of course if [TS]

  you're not sure what to do you get the [TS]

  Phoenix ex machina yeah but it did have [TS]

  long-range effects but as [TS]

  everything that Marvel does they always [TS]

  have their finger on the chest piece and [TS]

  they're always going to say i haven't [TS]

  gone yet [TS]

  wait a minute i can take this back now [TS]

  wait a minute if it but i will split [TS]

  second I did say some negative things [TS]

  about it i think in the beginning that i [TS]

  didn't read that i want to clarify that [TS]

  i thought was one of the best Marvel [TS]

  events because as everyone's been saying [TS]

  for the past hour and a half [TS]

  it really did read like one major what [TS]

  if that was designed to exist in its own [TS]

  bottle and then at the end there will be [TS]

  some editorial housekeeping that is [TS]

  enabled by the events in house of em [TS]

  like you know that the Great Muta [TS]

  rollback butt in but you can really buy [TS]

  that one trade paperback and just enjoy [TS]

  it as one big story so on that basis I [TS]

  think one of the most successful events [TS]

  they've done probably this is certainly [TS]

  the most success successful event that [TS]

  was gone because i think was the only [TS]

  event of the past five six maybe even [TS]

  seven years where I was actually [TS]

  satisfied somewhat not completely bully [TS]

  someone with it with it with the central [TS]

  story of evidence I've been quiet quiet [TS]

  not because you know i've been i've been [TS]

  reading reading a book here while you [TS]

  guys were talking it's more than I [TS]

  really I really I realized that I wasn't [TS]

  at the time i was interested in the [TS]

  central story i was kind of not [TS]

  interested or and/or baffled by all the [TS]

  little satellite stories that I was [TS]

  supposed to really find and find to 299 [TS]

  399 throw form you have to get to get [TS]

  the edges of it so it's like I can't I [TS]

  don't want I don't want to say hi i'm [TS]

  wrong i want to interrupt you to say [TS]

  uh-huh not continue every my job while I [TS]

  wouldn't have bought them III read them [TS]

  because of the Marvel unlimited but it [TS]

  is funny this store one of the things [TS]

  that I think works about the storyline [TS]

  is so many of these comic book events [TS]

  either and with a reset button or they [TS]

  are eventually reset and you know this [TS]

  will change everything and of course [TS]

  they never change anything like andy [TS]

  says they keep their finger on the chest [TS]

  piece [TS]

  what's different about house of his [TS]

  house of them is in some ways it's like [TS]

  it's like a caper where the objective is [TS]

  to press the reset button [TS]

  so when the reset button gets pressed it [TS]

  doesn't feel like a ripoff [TS]

  because of course it's going to get [TS]

  pressed that's the whole point of the [TS]

  story is they're trying to press the [TS]

  reset button [TS]

  so I thought that was really clever that [TS]

  i don't i don't feel disappointed like [TS]

  oh and then it's just going to go back [TS]

  to the way it was like the whole point [TS]

  is to get it back to the way it was it's [TS]

  like the reverse of all the other comic [TS]

  book events that are out there where the [TS]

  goal is to change everything forever [TS]

  like we know we have a home and we need [TS]

  to get back there which is different [TS]

  from were all like under some universe [TS]

  spell exactly well it'll never be the [TS]

  same after this if I don't know we [TS]

  wanted to go back to being the same can [TS]

  go back to being the same and that's the [TS]

  whole story of house of m is the the you [TS]

  know let's get everybody back together [TS]

  so we can reset the universe back to [TS]

  what we're used to on the subject of the [TS]

  tie-ins like like and he was saying I [TS]

  didn't buy all these when they first [TS]

  came out and i'm lucky enough to have a [TS]

  great local comic chocolate shop like [TS]

  awesome books and comics that has a [TS]

  ridiculous amount of back issues and [TS]

  something like the spider-man five-part [TS]

  thing i wouldn't pay 299 399 piece for [TS]

  those five issues no way i would I just [TS]

  wouldn't do that but when I can go to [TS]

  their sidekick store that has loads and [TS]

  loads back issues and they packaged [TS]

  together things like the spider-man [TS]

  House of M thing where you get them for [TS]

  like a buck apiece [TS]

  great i'm in no and when comiXology does [TS]

  does a sale puts things on 99 cents [TS]

  apiece great awesome thats that's [TS]

  fantastic if you get the Marvel [TS]

  unlimited that there are one Marvel [TS]

  unlimited is is what it's growing into [TS]

  the kind of service that I've wanted all [TS]

  of the major comics folks to have for [TS]

  some time and I hope that it continues [TS]

  improving yeah yeah so we're there other [TS]

  positive impacts of the of the end of [TS]

  this story just we owe boy we counted [TS]

  that we count down the weekend of the [TS]

  mutants too many mutants we got get rid [TS]

  of Phobos bonus mutants that we didn't [TS]

  need this Merlin let me let me ask you [TS]

  did at how how how recently did you read [TS]

  decimation I i know i haven't finished [TS]

  it i never got the whole thing so so [TS]

  some of them is worth reading [TS]

  just because it's crazy-- totally [TS]

  totally nuts they they did a like it's [TS]

  basically all tie-ins with a couple [TS]

  short [TS]

  tons of new x-men and we'll forget all [TS]

  like spectral like what's happened as a [TS]

  result the consequences right the best [TS]

  one though is the x-men the 198 series [TS]

  of them there's five of them and it [TS]

  looks at what's happening with these [TS]

  hundred ninety-eight mutants that are [TS]

  left and spoiler alert it's not the [TS]

  number isn't a hundred ninety-eight for [TS]

  very long right now and it doesn't go in [TS]

  the positive direction it's like son of [TS]

  divide that number here some of them [TS]

  some of them is totally crazy and as [TS]

  Quicksilver stealing crystals from chris [TS]

  told friends like little crystals [TS]

  yeah from Black Bolt and all the [TS]

  Inhumans and he makes all the Inhumans [TS]

  very angry and that i would i would not [TS]

  still just as a tip is up and perfect [TS]

  guru i would not steal stuff from Black [TS]

  Bolt he doesn't even have the talk he if [TS]

  you whispers he'll kill you [TS]

  yeah he does that he does that in a [TS]

  meeting that she does that in one of the [TS]

  business meetings instead of the end of [TS]

  the meeting no listen I understand I [TS]

  understand shooting over mr. bolt if you [TS]

  speak will die but i like your feedback [TS]

  the the part of the decimation series of [TS]

  crossovers and all that stuff that I [TS]

  didn't expect to like that i actually [TS]

  kinda did with Sentinel squad one where [TS]

  this government-backed initiative comes [TS]

  together where they have humans piloting [TS]

  sentinels and the people that they [TS]

  recruit for that inevitably one of them [TS]

  happens to be a mutant and nobody knows [TS]

  he's a mutant for a little while and its [TS]

  sights [TS]

  it's pretty good you know what I spent [TS]

  three dollars apiece on them know what I [TS]

  spent five bucks for all five of them [TS]

  yeah and that's that that's that's the i [TS]

  would say the the quality of of of what [TS]

  you're looking at what the destination [TS]

  stuff that's outside of the core you [TS]

  know new x-men 20 or whatever the stuff [TS]

  that i thought was a lot more valuable [TS]

  really was the Messiah trilogy that came [TS]

  after this the x series of titles which [TS]

  I know Merlin e he almost has burning [TS]

  religious fervor for this I think the [TS]

  thing that I like about this as with [TS]

  Avengers disassembled i think i have in [TS]

  my little bit of sampling of different [TS]

  events it does sometimes feel I used to [TS]

  say that pearl jam sound like the result [TS]

  of a board meeting [TS]

  and sometimes I feel like there are [TS]

  events in various you know comic things [TS]

  where it really feels like well you know [TS]

  a jason you never were joking before we [TS]

  started taping as you say about how like [TS]

  you know the the interface we're talking [TS]

  about circuits to talk about the [TS]

  interface on you know car stereo are so [TS]

  terrible they are and it sometimes feels [TS]

  like you know I seem to end this on [TS]

  tumblr talking about like when they have [TS]

  these like big offsites to talk about [TS]

  the big events and sometimes it really [TS]

  feels like somebody at some high-level [TS]

  is intervening to just start making this [TS]

  really want a little soup of ingredients [TS]

  that we happen to have a lot of we know [TS]

  people like well you know like I like [TS]

  garlic and I like ginger and I like [TS]

  cilantro but just because lots of people [TS]

  like them does not mean i want that to [TS]

  be to put the primary flavor profile of [TS]

  the soup and in a few of these and [TS]

  actually just nailed three of them for [TS]

  me [TS]

  and again I'm new to this like I'm not [TS]

  smart like you guys will have known this [TS]

  stuff for a while but for me i [TS]

  disassembled and house of them and the [TS]

  Messiah stuff really resonated with me [TS]

  for a reason for the same reason that I [TS]

  like the x-men really this there's two [TS]

  reasons at the part of it where I like [TS]

  the x-men I think I mean I like the fact [TS]

  that they that they're not just strong [TS]

  you know that they've got the kind of [TS]

  have to fight together because they have [TS]

  to support each other and their kind of [TS]

  fighting for their lives but they're [TS]

  also fighting for their ability to live [TS]

  there fighting for their lives because [TS]

  people out there like Trask or striker [TS]

  are out to get them but there but [TS]

  they're also fighting for their their [TS]

  right to stay alive because everybody [TS]

  thinks they're dangerous and so I like [TS]

  individual characters like unlike [TS]

  practically everybody I like moonlight [TS]

  the Bennett's believe the businessman [TS]

  own mark let me take you to get cancer [TS]

  and I love moon night and dazzler hi [TS]

  there I said it [TS]

  alright well anyone meet halfway and [TS]

  your kitchen when you go to your pitch [TS]

  meeting you cannot buy you have about [TS]

  happens it'll be one of my pictures of [TS]

  moon night counselor [TS]

  yeah oh well yeah but like because [TS]

  because they both come out at night and [TS]

  they said the night a ablaze with ways [TS]

  to come out [TS]

  goodnight moon night and dazzling huh [TS]

  but you know I this sounds corny but [TS]

  like this is why this resonates with me [TS]

  emotionally it's why I'm not dead inside [TS]

  about the mechanics of comics and [TS]

  whether they costume later 399 God love [TS]

  you [TS]

  is that like when the story works it's [TS]

  because there's a bunch of people where [TS]

  we care about what happens to them and [TS]

  we care about the relationships and and [TS]

  that's why the x-men resonate for me and [TS]

  in the same way that like giant-size [TS]

  x-men is in no way a perfect comic [TS]

  there's a lot about it that's like not [TS]

  nearly as good as what would come in the [TS]

  next seven years of the x-men but like [TS]

  the idea of taking these people who have [TS]

  so little in common like you know they [TS]

  have to be there from different [TS]

  countries have different powers they [TS]

  don't get along a couple of get kicked [TS]

  off like you know it's just it'sit's but [TS]

  but I'm always intrigued by the fact of [TS]

  like what we care about what happens to [TS]

  these people and that that's why we [TS]

  stick with them and their relationships [TS]

  matter because they have to work [TS]

  together to get out of these things and [TS]

  so to me I one of these giant events or [TS]

  story arcs or whatever it works if and [TS]

  when we care about the stakes for those [TS]

  people and we care about like any story [TS]

  we here we care about like what is the [TS]

  story a story at the heart of it is [TS]

  somebody is challenged by something that [TS]

  should be nearly impossible problem and [TS]

  we see how they handle it [TS]

  it's not whether they succeed or fail we [TS]

  we care about how they handle it and in [TS]

  this case I think about that bit and [TS]

  probably the second or third issue where [TS]

  the shield the red the Red Guard people [TS]

  get d powered and you see that double [TS]

  page spread of like comforting your [TS]

  friends and going to believe me like I [TS]

  know I had the same thing happen like a [TS]

  day ago and that's that's why this works [TS]

  for me is because it really it's about [TS]

  like so much stuff in comics it's about [TS]

  our own likes our fears and our [TS]

  aspirations in our sense of like who we [TS]

  are and then our friends our sense of [TS]

  what our friends can do to help us get [TS]

  through those kinds of struggles so it [TS]

  sounds silly talking about a comment but [TS]

  that's why this work for me and it's why [TS]

  anytime I see something with scrolls on [TS]

  it I think okay that could be good but [TS]

  in this case this has had a lot of [TS]

  breathing room a lot of headroom to get [TS]

  into like the interior world of these [TS]

  people we care about and their [TS]

  relationships as far as what happened [TS]

  next like you know maybe I'm in the [TS]

  minority I like [TS]

  Marvel now I like AVX I thought ABX was [TS]

  really really fun I thought consequences [TS]

  was arguably better than AVX itself but [TS]

  you know if it leads to more interesting [TS]

  stories it's good if it leads to more [TS]

  reasons to make a different kind of toy [TS]

  or a million other tions I'm not so into [TS]

  it but um I I thought it was successful [TS]

  and I I hadn't thought that much about [TS]

  what [TS]

  no more meetings really really really [TS]

  means as much as you guys but I do know [TS]

  that when Emma goes in there and straps [TS]

  on a little hat and sees that I found it [TS]

  very moving to go like they're these [TS]

  people who are part of our extended [TS]

  family that we don't even know are in [TS]

  our family and other gone and will never [TS]

  find them we had this way to find them [TS]

  and now it's gone and we set up [TS]

  ourselves as the as the people who are [TS]

  going to take care of all these people [TS]

  and they're gone and maybe their email [TS]

  that and maybe there may be there every [TS]

  day Scott right some of them are ok but [TS]

  maybe some of them are okay and they're [TS]

  just different in the blob has like [TS]

  folds of skin is normal size now but uh [TS]

  but the fact is what do we do right you [TS]

  know we are why we hear that there's the [TS]

  it's like we're sending the kids home [TS]

  from school because they don't need to [TS]

  be here anymore [TS]

  some of them want to stay but what do we [TS]

  do it's not accredited educational [TS]

  institution right now and we we find out [TS]

  we find out later what what's going on [TS]

  with the professor but one giant giant [TS]

  not making a plot hole that one giant [TS]

  unresolved thing weirdly I have to say [TS]

  we're the unresolved thing at the end of [TS]

  eight is where is Professor X i know we [TS]

  blew it later there's the fuckin guy but [TS]

  but you know he is like Scott is always [TS]

  kind of leader except when you know if [TS]

  professor X's and around like what's [TS]

  happening you know [TS]

  so anyway but that's that's the good [TS]

  thing about this i mean you know and [TS]

  I've talked about this before I think we [TS]

  talked about a lot on the on the podcast [TS]

  to is that in the end you know comic [TS]

  readers especially can get really [TS]

  obsessed with with continuity right [TS]

  continuity is very important and and it [TS]

  can be you know it's part of the fun of [TS]

  it is knowing about the continuity [TS]

  that's fine but in the end it's about [TS]

  it's about good stories and it's about [TS]

  characters and it's about seeing them [TS]

  you know seeing characters that you know [TS]

  beach [TS]

  true to themselves and we put an [TS]

  interesting situations and it's not [TS]

  about the kind of outrageous aspects of [TS]

  it or about something that will change [TS]

  continuity forever it really is about [TS]

  telling good stories and that's to your [TS]

  point about about if it's about selling [TS]

  toys [TS]

  it's not really that exciting but if [TS]

  it's about seeing these people that you [TS]

  know and maybe have grown up with these [TS]

  characters it put interesting situations [TS]

  and how they react and that's what was [TS]

  affecting for me about house of em was [TS]

  seeing those characters putting this [TS]

  really amazing strange situation and [TS]

  then discovering that all sham even if [TS]

  it was a comfortable sham and how they [TS]

  deal with that and that that's the stuff [TS]

  that I remember there was a there's a [TS]

  great quote about about acting that came [TS]

  across a long time ago [TS]

  I'm just never forgotten it was either [TS]

  this actor said that a bad actor hit his [TS]

  idea of a dream role involves a scene in [TS]

  which he sees his only child hit by a [TS]

  car and cradles is dying form and curses [TS]

  God in the middle of the street that's [TS]

  what a bad actor wants what a great [TS]

  actor wants is five minutes which he [TS]

  just eats soup because he knows that he [TS]

  knows that he knows that he can explain [TS]

  everything there is to know about a [TS]

  character through the most subtle and [TS]

  quiet interchange and that he doesn't [TS]

  need that kind of that kind of flash and [TS]

  I thought that you think that the case i [TS]

  think i think you you are right about [TS]

  that that's what the with all the things [TS]

  I really like about House of M have [TS]

  nothing to do with trying to figure out [TS]

  trying to figure out why is this person [TS]

  in this situation but that person not in [TS]

  this situation [TS]

  why is this going to keep in continuity [TS]

  and why is this where did this get [TS]

  broken [TS]

  it really is the minor ideas of white [TS]

  here's their so here's a relationship [TS]

  between Magneto and his kids the worst I [TS]

  mean unique ye you gotta get you gotta [TS]

  go deep deep catalog into like Motown [TS]

  singing legends before you find a worse [TS]

  parent child relationship then Magneto [TS]

  and scan as kids we keep we keep on that [TS]

  we keep on going and we could go on [TS]

  forever but i already posted a [TS]

  three-and-a-half hour long episode [TS]

  recently so I don't want to do that [TS]

  again we're going to we're going to call [TS]

  it quits for now right here but I i am [TS]

  hoping that all of my guess [TS]

  we'll come back in the in it and a [TS]

  future time to talk about comic books [TS]

  and more Lisa Schmeisser thank you very [TS]

  much for being here again [TS]

  Thank You Joyce s2 jaan thank you thank [TS]

  you for him and you not go thanks as [TS]

  always it's been a slice and Merlin man [TS]

  will you come back sometime if you happy [TS]

  thank you for happiness is that this [TS]

  will have room for a year this has been [TS]

  a fantasy so thank you for having you [TS]

  guys appreciate it [TS]

  now it's science fiction delightful so [TS]

  until the next edition of the [TS]

  incomparable I'd like to thank everyone [TS]

  out there for listening i'm your host [TS]

  Jason L will see you next time [TS]

  I can't believe what I just heard [TS]

  Merlin's and invited back [TS]

  there's not a recording of this anywhere [TS]

  is there no more incomparable I'm [TS]

  literally so angry I literally so that [TS]

  was good model in there that was my [TS]

  Maryland you've never heard anything [TS]

  I've done [TS]

  merly he's trying to take your powers [TS]

  are you reading me here Rogan me [TS]

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