The Incomparable

141: Tony Stark Wants the Credit


  the incomparable number 141 may2013 [TS]

  looking back to being comfortable [TS]

  podcast I'm your host Jason still and [TS]

  we're here to talk about something at [TS]

  that's actually kind of current which is [TS]

  not like me at all because since my [TS]

  children were born I've essentially not [TS]

  seen any movies but I managed to get out [TS]

  and see iron man 3 in the theater and in [TS]

  addition to that I hope to talk about [TS]

  the efforts to iron man movies as well [TS]

  and maybe iron man in general who knows [TS]

  where we'll go with my wonderful panel [TS]

  of guests joining me to talk about Tony [TS]

  Stark and Iron Man and although all the [TS]

  things in between are the things between [TS]

  them [TS]

  Jarvis yes is my own personal Jarvis got [TS]

  Mykelti hi Scott [TS]

  hello Jason just say I have five percent [TS]

  battery that's what you want this does I [TS]

  was trying to think of something that I [TS]

  could say as Jarvis and all i had was [TS]

  hello Jason [TS]

  that's ok that works too you have five [TS]

  percent battery Tony your batteries are [TS]

  very low please charge my batteries also [TS]

  joining me is nobody's Jarvis it's the [TS]

  great Lisa Schmeisser hi Lisa [TS]

  nobody's Jarvis what nobody's Jarvis [TS]

  your no Gervais you will not be serviced [TS]

  I don't know what it means i'm just [TS]

  waking up with the half while I'm here [TS]

  hi guys thank you it's you i'm glad that [TS]

  you're here you're nobody service [TS]

  I don't want to be a journalist I [TS]

  computerized AI servant that's no good [TS]

  at scotts job Andy a newcomer to the [TS]

  incomparable the heat comes from canada [TS]

  where iron man is known by his generally [TS]

  is called iron man it's it's guy English [TS]

  hi guy [TS]

  I good to be here iron man 3 came out we [TS]

  saw it I everybody saw it right we're [TS]

  not gonna yep alright that's the one set [TS]

  the Jazz Age right Richard on it [TS]

  that's right there's a hip-hop [TS]

  soundtrack with a season and everybody [TS]

  is screaming and screaming the great [TS]

  Tony yeah that's great that's pretty [TS]

  much it so the I guess we should file a [TS]

  fire off the spoiler horn because we're [TS]

  going to talk about what's in the movie [TS]

  and there's actually a gigantic spoiler [TS]

  that I think the media did a pretty good [TS]

  job of not revealing I had no idea going [TS]

  into it that that it was going to come [TS]

  to pass but we're gonna fire off the [TS]

  sport [TS]

  over here because we are going to [TS]

  actually talk about everything that [TS]

  happens in the movie so [TS]

  alright so iron man 3 I obviously these [TS]

  remember the original iron man came out [TS]

  it was a people kind of skeptical like [TS]

  Oh they've they've sunk to this when [TS]

  they run out of all the good heroes and [TS]

  now they've got these third-rate heroes [TS]

  that nobody's ever heard of iron man was [TS]

  always kind of more of a he was [TS]

  important in the marvel comics but he [TS]

  was never really never broke through to [TS]

  the wider world in a way like like [TS]

  spider-man did I mean that's the best [TS]

  example of the x-men I think he's kind [TS]

  of a low-rent Batman kind of well right [TS]

  because he's a rich guy and he's got his [TS]

  he doesn't have powers but he uses his [TS]

  his money and his smarts to make kind of [TS]

  like technology to help him be a hero [TS]

  but he's he is kind of a Batman analog [TS]

  in a lot of ways I think he's marvelous [TS]

  Batman right so I would definitely say [TS]

  so yeah yeah but people that people [TS]

  didn't know him and so it was a surprise [TS]

  i think when the first iron man movie [TS]

  came out and it was a gigantic it was [TS]

  actually the same year that the Dark [TS]

  Knight came out and it was a it was a [TS]

  huge hit it was very successful and [TS]

  people were quite surprised i think a [TS]

  lot of it has to do with robert downey [TS]

  jr who I think is about [TS]

  I mean I guess tied with JK Simmons is [TS]

  jonah Jameson for the best comic book [TS]

  movie casting ever but what a what a [TS]

  huge asset to have somebody like Robert [TS]

  Downey jr. as you're lead-in these [TS]

  movies because I you know [TS]

  Iron Man I guess in the hands of a [TS]

  boring actor would probably be kind of [TS]

  boring but Robert Downey jr. is not a [TS]

  boring actor [TS]

  yes the natural swagger that's required [TS]

  for the goal yeah Tony Stark is it you [TS]

  know he's a rich guy he's got an [TS]

  attitude he's arrogant he's brilliant [TS]

  but he's kind of a jerk and he's got [TS]

  that playboy thing going on which again [TS]

  is that there's your Batman analog right [TS]

  because Bruce Wayne is supposed to be [TS]

  well the difference is that Bruce Wayne [TS]

  pretends to be a plate with Tony Stark [TS]

  to you [TS]

  oh yeah yeah exactly one of my favorite [TS]

  Marvel iterations on our man is actually [TS]

  the one ultimate swear they do a job [TS]

  just making him drunk and faster and and [TS]

  and basically a very very dangerous [TS]

  savant the opposite visit because and I [TS]

  think in some ways that the ultimate [TS]

  iron man was used as a model for the [TS]

  movie [TS]

  sure it did pretty good did pretty dated [TS]

  and other than other than the fatal [TS]

  brain tumor [TS]

  now they didn't know god no don't [TS]

  suppose I i prefer not to talk about the [TS]

  brain tumor or the fact that he's now [TS]

  baby talk he talks to the brain tumor [TS]

  know well and the brain tumor now talk [TS]

  to technology psychic like that's the [TS]

  thing that with a brain tumor [TS]

  yeah I have no idea what you're talking [TS]

  about okay good all good for the best [TS]

  guys on comics you don't need to know [TS]

  it's I'm sorry I know and but that's the [TS]

  great thing about Tony Stark right is [TS]

  that he is he is all of that and so in [TS]

  that in that movie what I think took the [TS]

  one it's nice to have a superhero is not [TS]

  particularly tortured about his morals [TS]

  yeah haha because you have to get like [TS]

  an Ironman one he was tortured for about [TS]

  five minutes and he's all effin I'm out [TS]

  of the amount of the missiles business [TS]

  i'm on privatizing world peace and like [TS]

  he doesn't step and banging his head [TS]

  into wall [TS]

  sobbing about his dead parents or [TS]

  whether or not the lab partners are [TS]

  gonna know he's just like full speed [TS]

  ahead i've committed and and it's [TS]

  refreshing at the end of that movie too [TS]

  there's that moment that is also spoiler [TS]

  alert at the end of the movie where he [TS]

  says an Ironman spoiler spoiler nice [TS]

  turkey iron man that's great because [TS]

  that completely supports the whole [TS]

  superhero identity things like that I'm [TS]

  gonna win us know who I don't care down [TS]

  Tony Stark doesn't care [TS]

  Tony Stark wants the credit is good [TS]

  because if you were a genius who has a [TS]

  nifty flying suit and you can shoot [TS]

  things out of it and and you're [TS]

  basically untouchable inside your [TS]

  tin-can why would you need the fake [TS]

  identity [TS]

  yeah this is where we get into iron man [TS]

  3 I guess because yeah that was a short [TS]

  such decision [TS]

  I have so many complaints well and and [TS]

  bear in mind I i should add first I [TS]

  really enjoyed the movie like I went to [TS]

  see you thursday after trying it for [TS]

  jeopardy and I went and I got into my [TS]

  popcorn and I settled in and I watched [TS]

  previews all of which were sequels [TS]

  oh my grandmas equals the others like [TS]

  review which we could do a whole episode [TS]

  about the previews to iron man before [TS]

  iron man 3 because that was I felt like [TS]

  I was being pummeled by the movie [TS]

  industry like the movie industry had [TS]

  grabbed me by my shirt and pick me up [TS]

  and was starting to just punch me in the [TS]

  face it was like loud and cgi are the [TS]

  new words for good [TS]

  um so but you know I i enjoyed the movie [TS]

  but I the whole time I was watching it [TS]

  if it hadn't been for the fact there [TS]

  were two other people in the theater I [TS]

  think feeling I would have talked the [TS]

  whole way through it and we have no but [TS]

  they were there were actually two other [TS]

  people and we didn't want to be the [TS]

  jerks and so we just kind of but tony [TS]

  stark would have talked to the movie he [TS]

  will let me watch you would have been [TS]

  watching it by himself a lion I i I'm [TS]

  not as intelligent as loaded as time [TS]

  starts so I two things for beginners [TS]

  yeah Tony Stark's loaded into ways to [TS]

  because he's alone he's got lots of [TS]

  money and he's also drunk but to get him [TS]

  like when he has that scene in iron man [TS]

  3 where he walks out of the hospital [TS]

  he's learning Mandarin come at me here's [TS]

  my address and that's why I thought to [TS]

  myself all right all of iron man two was [TS]

  about how shield was infiltrating his [TS]

  company because they want to make sure [TS]

  that he wasn't permanently you know [TS]

  bonkers and you're telling me that this [TS]

  movie which takes place after the [TS]

  vendors Avengers features a guy who has [TS]

  stared into the void of the wormhole and [TS]

  battled an alien race and eat shawarma [TS]

  with a green Range machine and a Norse [TS]

  God and a guy who's on ice for 70 years [TS]

  you're telling me they're like oh well [TS]

  we're not really interested in you [TS]

  anymore so we haven't you know the you [TS]

  tell me that she wasn't keeping track on [TS]

  his mental health you're telling me that [TS]

  shield have didn't immediately like sent [TS]

  a helicopter out there that the near [TS]

  total absence of shield like the name [TS]

  check them was all I had to do shields [TS]

  databases and that was like yeah and and [TS]

  I thought after our men to wear Tony [TS]

  couldn't you know grind on a chippy [TS]

  without scarlett johansson taking a [TS]

  notice like you're going to tell me that [TS]

  threaten well-liked did the events this [TS]

  movie take place while samuel jackson [TS]

  and the rest of the [TS]

  most of the shield people were at [TS]

  sandals for the end-of-the-year retreat [TS]

  like what happened they were there [TS]

  they're building the rebuilding their [TS]

  broken health carriers just makes no [TS]

  sense to choose one coupon you've got [TS]

  this global intelligence organization [TS]

  that apparently decided like once Tony [TS]

  Stark fell back from the sky always okay [TS]

  we don't need to keep an eye on him [TS]

  anymore [TS]

  nevermind these six super-powered people [TS]

  who who who were able to you know level [TS]

  alien technologies [TS]

  oh why should we care what they're up to [TS]

  no I think there's gonna have to get [TS]

  their heads together [TS]

  yeah yeah it's goofy bit to be fair that [TS]

  happens in the comics yeah like you know [TS]

  he's peeing on the Avengers forever and [TS]

  yeah we have you took it seriously [TS]

  there were literally not be any comics [TS]

  other than the Avengers right because [TS]

  why would you ever work on your own you [TS]

  would just work with the review of [TS]

  constraints of the universe however [TS]

  loosely they haven't this guys having [TS]

  PTSD from what's going on right if you [TS]

  have Bruce Banner fall asleep to his [TS]

  monologue in that movie [TS]

  yeah you know which totally feels like [TS]

  fanservice by the way I'm like I don't [TS]

  see how the house how's the post-credit [TS]

  sequence ever not fanservice like why [TS]

  don't they just have an explanation [TS]

  early on board Jarvis is like well once [TS]

  again i have made shield supercomputer [TS]

  into my whimpering Lackey director fury [TS]

  has eight calls into you want to answer [TS]

  them in hand and have F Tony Stark seem [TS]

  like a little thing so and then that [TS]

  explains he's pushing everybody away [TS]

  instead of oh they just been magicked [TS]

  away i guess.i guess although I guess my [TS]

  argument would be yes the same argument [TS]

  that that my wife and I have about [TS]

  Doctor Who sometimes is is there you [TS]

  could insert dialogue that explains it [TS]

  away but it's not going to necessarily [TS]

  be that fulfilling I guess it does check [TS]

  a box and you can be like okay good day [TS]

  they explained away shield so now we can [TS]

  proceed with the movie and if I if I [TS]

  analyze it [TS]

  I mean there are a few points in this [TS]

  movie we're like hey Tony down on your [TS]

  luck you could leave a message on your [TS]

  helmet for your girlfriend or you could [TS]

  call you know the Hulk right now I'm [TS]

  just gonna leave a message for my [TS]

  girlfriend I don't really want to get [TS]

  anybody else involved at the same time [TS]

  it does feel a little bit like being [TS]

  obsessed about the continuity and i [TS]

  kinda like let it go and it's like well [TS]

  you know the extra he knows it's his [TS]

  movie this is exactly [TS]

  it's an iron and I don't want other [TS]

  people in my movie but you know what [TS]

  you're telling me about that whole thing [TS]

  pepper puts on the math like okay her [TS]

  home has just been blown up she's the [TS]

  CEO of a major corporation with a [TS]

  multi-billion dollar market cap she's on [TS]

  the cover of forbes magazine [TS]

  you're telling me that while a billion [TS]

  people are swimming around trying to [TS]

  figure out what the hell just happened [TS]

  to that futuristic house no one is going [TS]

  to notice the CEO of a major corporation [TS]

  just kind of you know standing on the [TS]

  edge of a cliff completely unprotected [TS]

  with it with a Bushwhacker look on her [TS]

  face like there's no panic room that I [TS]

  can't believe there was no panic room [TS]

  that he didn't just immediately shove [TS]

  her into I think panic room went into [TS]

  the sea because it's really a little [TS]

  that's probable that's true that the the [TS]

  little suits let our download suits are [TS]

  more important than the girlfriend let's [TS]

  be clear about this suit bolts must be [TS]

  maintained [TS]

  no girls allowed because by the movies [TS]

  like all this is what I've been doing [TS]

  what I can't sleep I'm you know super [TS]

  prepared for any eventuality I'm like [TS]

  you obviously weren't prepared for the [TS]

  eventual anywhere like your house gets [TS]

  blown up with your girlfriend in it [TS]

  because and also I mean everyone [TS]

  probably knows where Tony Stark lose its [TS]

  like you can figure out where Larry [TS]

  Ellison lives so it's not really all [TS]

  that if I want to know where he lives [TS]

  like a blow him up right I do i do like [TS]

  that moment that I love that Tony [TS]

  Stark's just mouthing off to a again [TS]

  this is this two levels were on one [TS]

  level the feeling of it i love and then [TS]

  there's the logic of it that I go yeah [TS]

  okay huh [TS]

  because it's like I love Tony Stark [TS]

  mouthing off to the Mandarin and be like [TS]

  a big terrorist guy here's my home [TS]

  address at the same time I don't suspect [TS]

  that the Mandarin is out there going I [TS]

  wish I knew where Tony Stark's does [TS]

  anybody have a copy of the white pages [TS]

  not happened as Google Maps work your [TS]

  technology is Western and confound air [TS]

  is a stop a star maps that's like we [TS]

  will take you on a tour of Tony Stark's [TS]

  neighborhood right you know that that is [TS]

  the case [TS]

  iron man was staying out of it though so [TS]

  he didn't really he wasn't bringing [TS]

  himself into it until he decided hey man [TS]

  come get me you are now on my radar so [TS]

  you could explain it away that way right [TS]

  that the measure it wasn't concerned [TS]

  about yeah I man because Iran was doing [TS]

  anything anyway so right manner it's [TS]

  like I know your address already and [TS]

  that's not the point the point is you've [TS]

  made you call me out here in my gps yeah [TS]

  so I'm going to get you now because you [TS]

  mentioned me [TS]

  exactly you mentioned the mandarin i [TS]

  blow up your house [TS]

  yes whatever the Mandarin is accepting [TS]

  who she is but yeah yeah so big ben [TS]

  kingsley can we talk about Ben Kingsley [TS]

  oh god that was funny i think I i think [TS]

  this is one of the funniest and best [TS]

  surprises I've had a movie in a long [TS]

  time which is when I i had several [TS]

  points I was like is he real [TS]

  is he real and there's a scene that they [TS]

  set it up where he cut kinda comes in [TS]

  and says well what are we waiting for [TS]

  and you're like oh the master is coming [TS]

  we must oh yes the master and he swoops [TS]

  in and I thought maybe he is real and [TS]

  then of course it is revealed [TS]

  I already blew the spoiler horn so get [TS]

  your own damn fault that he's an actor [TS]

  being paid to be the Mandarin and he's [TS]

  actually kind of like a stoner out of [TS]

  luck English actor named Trevor who has [TS]

  been fun things on the street that no [TS]

  man should have to do [TS]

  who says that he's been told that that [TS]

  it's all an act except the you know the [TS]

  metroid like shot he shoots a guy in the [TS]

  head or basically at one point on TV was [TS]

  he told those for special effects I [TS]

  don't [TS]

  trevor is not the sharpest tool in the [TS]

  shed again Trevor's not so trustworthy [TS]

  so I have a feeling tremors just lying [TS]

  and saying you're silly stark wants to [TS]

  hear everything go here it was [TS]

  delightful that was just such a nice [TS]

  nice subversion of the the usual [TS]

  mastermind thing I actually expected him [TS]

  to to fit to flip back like he was to [TS]

  trick them into thinking this guy only [TS]

  to revert to being oh yeah I didn't you [TS]

  know [TS]

  maniacal billion master my kept waiting [TS]

  for that too i was like when is it going [TS]

  to happen what's gonna happen but they [TS]

  it and I think they knew I think the [TS]

  script actually has a few moments when [TS]

  they're in miami in that compound where [TS]

  they have him do increasingly outrageous [TS]

  things specifically so that you're like [TS]

  okay this is really just this guy you [TS]

  know he's he's played so much for last [TS]

  because I kept waiting for that double [TS]

  back to was like no this is all it my [TS]

  game to make you think I was an actor no [TS]

  he's just a nun you know unemployed [TS]

  actor there is a bit of foreshadowing [TS]

  that where they explain what management [TS]

  means they think they say it means the [TS]

  Chinese word for somebody who serves the [TS]

  King servant of the Kings on something [TS]

  like that i forget the exact thing [TS]

  ok yeah that good I thought about that [TS]

  afterwards where I just probably a lot [TS]

  of hints that you know he's not going to [TS]

  turn out to be the guy you think he is [TS]

  yeah but so so good and kingsley you [TS]

  know he does a lot of these you know [TS]

  paycheck movies right where he is where [TS]

  he's in it you know he's a heavy and he [TS]

  and everyone god no right but that's [TS]

  alright and this one it's nice because [TS]

  because he's got that spin on it that [TS]

  just take I mean it's just so funny that [TS]

  he's getting his got actually got this [TS]

  English accent and it's yeah it's I was [TS]

  so nervous about that character is a [TS]

  it's a goofy character [TS]

  yeah be kinda racist yeah a little bit [TS]

  yet but it was so over-the-top in the [TS]

  previews [TS]

  yeah that was wondering how the hell [TS]

  that was all going to fit together so i [TS]

  think that they did a really good job [TS]

  well the mandarin no mandarin is a [TS]

  legendary and I feel like Scott said [TS]

  kind of raisins kinda a little character [TS]

  from the Iron Man comics but you know [TS]

  which were very you know when they [TS]

  started that is very cold war kind of [TS]

  comic and that and the and I think you [TS]

  know it was a Korean War post Korean [TS]

  war-era so you know Chinese mysticism [TS]

  and the ten rings of power and all of [TS]

  that and there was always that question [TS]

  like how do you do that because that's [TS]

  the that's the Iron Man's like that's [TS]

  his big enemy right i mean this is a [TS]

  character from the comics that although [TS]

  he's sort of interesting he doesn't [TS]

  really have a great rogue's gallery and [TS]

  and there was the Mandarin they're like [TS]

  how great are one rogues gallery guy and [TS]

  he's a horrible racist stereotype what [TS]

  do we do so in the in the first ironman [TS]

  they're like their references to the [TS]

  Mandarin and the rings of power but it's [TS]

  all just kind of like pushed to the back [TS]

  and they took a bunch of that out i [TS]

  guess when they were when they were [TS]

  shooting it they they they dialed it [TS]

  down in here terrorist group is called [TS]

  the ten rings yeah 10 rings and and [TS]

  that's about all you say so here we see [TS]

  the Mandarin and they're like how are [TS]

  they going to handle this and they have [TS]

  him they haven't become a generic and he [TS]

  speaks with an American accent which I [TS]

  actually thought was really creepy it's [TS]

  like what if Osama bin Laden was doing [TS]

  these terrorists video speaking in [TS]

  American English clear American accents [TS]

  like it's that's really kind of [TS]

  disconcerting and creepy and then uh and [TS]

  then they subvert the whole thing which [TS]

  is kind of brilliant because i think [TS]

  that's about all they could do in some [TS]

  ways with the Mandarin [TS]

  he's not to really do the Mandarin is [TS]

  not something you can do in the modern [TS]

  day because that's just such a kind of [TS]

  weird and racist character so they did [TS]

  the right thing i think i would guess [TS]

  what I Pierce is the actual power behind [TS]

  the the the face and I do love that this [TS]

  movie talks about the media you know use [TS]

  of the media by terrorists and and [TS]

  another group so I think that's a really [TS]

  nice little bit that they have this we [TS]

  spent some time in the TV studio and [TS]

  they've got a logo and they've got all [TS]

  this stuff and then you discover that [TS]

  it's really it's so well produced that [TS]

  even the guy it is an actor but behind [TS]

  behind that is guy pearce who we we [TS]

  first meet in this interesting flashback [TS]

  essentially to 1999 in Switzerland where [TS]

  Tony Stark speaking speaking at a [TS]

  conference we get a little cameo by [TS]

  inson who's the guy who helps them build [TS]

  the armor in the first movie which was [TS]

  really nice he dies immediately and [TS]

  movies like hey he said that he met him [TS]

  once right Mary was that was really nice [TS]

  and then there's then and then he also [TS]

  meets Guy Pearce who is channeling john [TS]

  grise role as last little holy felled [TS]

  from real genius in his first he was not [TS]

  the suavity is all the suavity of Laszlo [TS]

  be as well he's the last know who's [TS]

  excited about entering the frito-lay [TS]

  sweepstakes and as often as you like so [TS]

  i have right that's that's that guy and [TS]

  I'm saying is that last low know it's [TS]

  guy pearce playing Laszlo who to get [TS]

  stony in an elevator and says I've got [TS]

  this great invention and tony is too [TS]

  much focused on the girl scientists [TS]

  woman very talented but he's really [TS]

  focused on getting her into his hotel [TS]

  room [TS]

  he's not terribly interested in her big [TS]

  brain Oh Tony no brain is not tony you [TS]

  know he knows how to pick them right so [TS]

  so in the end what we find out is that [TS]

  the guy pearce has gone on some sort of [TS]

  well we think he's got an exercise [TS]

  program it turns out he's gone like a [TS]

  crazy biotech program where he's turned [TS]

  into this super suave kind of guy who's [TS]

  actually got extremist nanobots or [TS]

  whatever they are in his body [TS]

  and he's the evil genius behind the [TS]

  movie with so i guess the lesson here is [TS]

  if some nerdy guy who looks like Lassa [TS]

  Lassa from real genius corners you in an [TS]

  elevator in Switzerland don't tell him [TS]

  that you'll meet him on the roof and [TS]

  then not show because he'll be mad and [TS]

  he'll hold a grudge [TS]

  this could have all been prevented [TS]

  really just go to the roof [TS]

  Tony which is five min heart and say I'm [TS]

  calling you call him take his call he [TS]

  takes his card thank you cards takes you [TS]

  into the but then he gives them away he [TS]

  does the douche move there is a glossy [TS]

  and five minutes and then hold them up i [TS]

  think if you just taking the cards and [TS]

  like look obviously I have my hands full [TS]

  I'll have my people call your people you [TS]

  because you have no people but yeah [TS]

  oh don't call you that one of the movie [TS]

  that's true that's true and guy pearce [TS]

  would not have become mr. extremist at [TS]

  the rebecca hall character was pretty [TS]

  into extremist to begin with so she [TS]

  would have hooked up with somebody [TS]

  that's true and she she had I've got [TS]

  this great technology when plants [TS]

  explode [TS]

  re the spontaneous combustion of plants [TS]

  where we're okay um yeah but what I want [TS]

  to know is he apparently so he [TS]

  apparently solves this you know he [TS]

  solves the problem that causes a [TS]

  spontaneous combustion like you get the [TS]

  illusion that he halfway solved it in a [TS]

  hungover Hayes back in 1999 / 2010 he [TS]

  solves it for real what he's got [TS]

  motivation with pepper and I thought you [TS]

  know we always think there's always this [TS]

  big deal being made in the Marvel vs. [TS]

  that Hank Pym is is kind of a number two [TS]

  and in terms of intellect and there are [TS]

  plenty of other smart guys you're [TS]

  telling me that she couldn't have found [TS]

  another guy 2222 monkey with this [TS]

  weather especially since they still own [TS]

  the rights to that she couldn't it would [TS]

  have been nice if they had mentioned in [TS]

  passing well I gave it to pin but it was [TS]

  useless all he came out of it was an [TS]

  ability to control amps you know that [TS]

  denies nice toss away i think i liked [TS]

  his company was a more advanced idea [TS]

  mechanics yeah oh yeah that was a big ol [TS]

  he that's a nice comic yeah shout out [TS]

  like to get to have a name without [TS]

  having MODOK and those guys with at the [TS]

  crazy hands is just that it's kind of a [TS]

  he [TS]

  yeah that's good he said Noah and it's [TS]

  the rolling their eyes like OMG sure [TS]

  whatever ya advanced idea mechanics my [TS]

  acronym yeah good [TS]

  that's nice for you yes you've got an [TS]

  acronym [TS]

  Oh [TS]

  how great for you so so i liked i really [TS]

  like the first like 90 minutes of this [TS]

  movie I I i like the beginning with the [TS]

  you know we had a flashback and then we [TS]

  get the we have the the attacks and and [TS]

  we get the the attack on his house and [TS]

  we get him ending up in Tennessee [TS]

  talking to the kid and there's some [TS]

  really nice stuff i mean obviously in [TS]

  the middle of this movie the whole he [TS]

  gets out of the suit for a long period [TS]

  of time and clearly what this movie is [TS]

  saying is tony is more interesting than [TS]

  the cgi armor which i think is a good [TS]

  call i think that was the problem number [TS]

  two is it was a lot of robert downey jr [TS]

  staring at the screen inside the Machine [TS]

  and Allah GI it was really boring [TS]

  well and at the end and number and and [TS]

  the first 12 I mean anytime we're at CGI [TS]

  monster vs cgi hero and it's like you [TS]

  might as well be watching a video game [TS]

  this is also my problem with them the [TS]

  first spider-man movie the Sam Raimi's [TS]

  spider-man movie is the end the end [TS]

  confrontation is between spider-man [TS]

  wearing his mask and the Green Goblin [TS]

  wearing his little like Power Rangers [TS]

  mask and you it and they might as well [TS]

  be you know it you're watching an [TS]

  episode of Power Rangers you can't see [TS]

  their mouths moving it's just there's [TS]

  nothing there so here they get out of [TS]

  the suit and they make input and they [TS]

  put him in danger where he has to use [TS]

  his intelligence which we've been told [TS]

  he's really brilliant right to figure [TS]

  out how to get out of it and I thought [TS]

  that was a great decision i thought that [TS]

  was really smart [TS]

  yeah I mean there's maybe 45 minutes [TS]

  over MacGyver episode like that movie [TS]

  Tony Stark mechanical genius right [TS]

  you know the mechanic mechanic again [TS]

  like the you know the classic let's make [TS]

  the gas tank explode and I just say I [TS]

  liked I liked him using his words to [TS]

  write vaidya extremist soldiers [TS]

  yeah although Tennessee there was like [TS]

  one person with a southern accent and [TS]

  Tennessee which was that was crazy but i [TS]

  like that i like i like the kid which he [TS]

  meets he meets a Harley who's the kid [TS]

  who will wear it never gets it like it's [TS]

  right on the precipice of being that [TS]

  really treacly oh you know he learns how [TS]

  to open it hard for the child and all [TS]

  that and they don't go there they don't [TS]

  they [TS]

  don't go over the edge right didn't you [TS]

  it's like you can tell that he does [TS]

  really love the kid i'm cold you know i [TS]

  do that work and yeah yeah yeah very [TS]

  that's all good and I like the action [TS]

  sequence in the in the the whatever is [TS]

  the diner or the restaurant or something [TS]

  where there's that with the extremist [TS]

  agents come in and he's trying to figure [TS]

  out how to you know again MacGyver it [TS]

  you're exactly right he's like wow how [TS]

  can i go i can blow them up using this [TS]

  and and and makes it all i'm gonna open [TS]

  up the gas main and they're gonna ignite [TS]

  it and all of that and I really I really [TS]

  I liked all of that because the whole [TS]

  point there is that this is supposed to [TS]

  be about Tony and not about the suit and [TS]

  and right and you got Robert Downey jr. [TS]

  and obviously Shane Black who co-wrote [TS]

  the screenplay and directed the movie [TS]

  and directed Downey and kiss kiss bang [TS]

  bang which is a with get val kilmer [TS]

  which is a great movie by the way I [TS]

  don't know if you guys yes love that [TS]

  great movie [TS]

  oh yes and so he knows to get down out [TS]

  of it to get down out of this cgi shell [TS]

  and have downey be running around [TS]

  himself because he's he's great and so [TS]

  the script does that and and i love that [TS]

  I love the whole bit in tennessee i love [TS]

  that he's he's almost immediately made [TS]

  vulnerable because you know Tony being [TS]

  kind of a jerk and this rich playboy guy [TS]

  or in this case being a shut-in who's [TS]

  freaked out about the adventures avenges [TS]

  made a billion dollars i don't know what [TS]

  I do next [TS]

  I'm just gonna stay down here and [TS]

  they're gonna have to come and get me [TS]

  for the next movie is basically what [TS]

  he's doing down there but you get amount [TS]

  of that and then and then suddenly it's [TS]

  surprising in how good it is being him [TS]

  you know the adventures of Tony Stark [TS]

  guy without a guy without a suit [TS]

  basically did anybody else find it to [TS]

  post-traumatic stress stuff a little bit [TS]

  weird like it kind of comes out of [TS]

  nowhere and it kind of goes nowhere last [TS]

  time we saw him he was just having sure [TS]

  man he was fine yeah but he didn't seem [TS]

  that battle that during that movie I [TS]

  don't know since he spent a lot of iron [TS]

  man two being kind of a jerk for aught [TS]

  account of the palladium poisoning [TS]

  it seems like they were putting down the [TS]

  seeds for Tony Stark perhaps not your [TS]

  most emotional adjusted superhero [TS]

  sure and the fact that the wormhole [TS]

  appears to be his trigger in this 1i I [TS]

  think what we're supposed to take away [TS]

  from that is he has finally run into [TS]

  something he can't out think or out talk [TS]

  his way around and it has freedom right [TS]

  the eff out it's not the Norse God who [TS]

  does it it's not the rage monster or or [TS]

  the cry or the cryogenic fossil he works [TS]

  with it yes something about that woman [TS]

  would just flip them out [TS]

  yeah yeah because it warps space and [TS]

  time and he's seeing things no [TS]

  management to see eccentric cetera [TS]

  well anyway he did have a nuclear [TS]

  warhead that he was carrying and almost [TS]

  got blown up by a circulator don't know [TS]

  I agree that i would be featured a trip [TS]

  yeah i think the reason you gotta show [TS]

  this is the same reason is the same [TS]

  reason you do anything along that line [TS]

  I remember one time I had I had foot [TS]

  surgery where we arrange the bones of my [TS]

  toes and the first thing i did [TS]

  afterwards go get a blizzard from Dairy [TS]

  Queen and it wasn't until I got home [TS]

  that it really hit me that holy crap [TS]

  pardon my language i just watched my [TS]

  that the bones inside my toes get [TS]

  rearranged and that's when the shit [TS]

  that's when the shaking the freaking out [TS]

  happened and I think this was kind of on [TS]

  the same scale where you have the [TS]

  shawarma you're like so that was a thing [TS]

  and ya then ya once once you know Thor [TS]

  takes his brother back to to Asgard for [TS]

  whatever the equivalent of juvenile [TS]

  detention is that happens that that's [TS]

  when you finally realize that wow that [TS]

  was a thing that just happened and I [TS]

  can't make any of that up and oh my god [TS]

  this trip and Tony Stark has never he's [TS]

  not like a superheroic generally like [TS]

  you don't have the right guy is coming [TS]

  out to America and Hulk is just about [TS]

  the break things as long as a god and [TS]

  the other people who were really a movie [TS]

  right there there there preying on his [TS]

  altar stated that paid very well yeah [TS]

  exactly so you know he is fragile and [TS]

  he's not he's not expecting this kind of [TS]

  thing and it's like I bought it and I [TS]

  thought it was really interesting kind [TS]

  of obviously made him vulnerable and [TS]

  really highlight the fact that he's just [TS]

  a guy in a suit so you know he's he's [TS]

  just like us [TS]

  so he's a believer yeah yeah really [TS]

  small but steady the poor billionaire [TS]

  genius it i didn't see it was off itself [TS]

  like the the last thing we hear about it [TS]

  is a roadie says here right before they [TS]

  attack on the extremist guys at the [TS]

  docks write the book of allah in the cop [TS]

  my good buddy movie in thing yeah that [TS]

  laser weapon let's just say it's likely [TS]

  lethal weapon comes back boxtrolls are [TS]

  you getting too old for this stuff [TS]

  yeah that's the difference also don [TS]

  cheadle those movies like he shows up in [TS]

  that flawlessly iron polo shirt and it's [TS]

  just adorable because it's like a look [TS]

  at San LOL being catalog model come to [TS]

  jackson tension on the side of the neck [TS]

  I love don cheadle watchman pretty much [TS]

  anything yeah but that's that's the end [TS]

  of the PTSD stuff right is Brody turns [TS]

  to him and says I hope you don't freak [TS]

  out and Tony says me too and then guess [TS]

  what no more freaked out you know insane [TS]

  stuffs happening but then at the the [TS]

  end-credit Peggy he's talking to his [TS]

  face Bruce batteries like you know about [TS]

  all these issues so one can imagine that [TS]

  he still work having yeah but he had to [TS]

  he overcame it because he wanted to save [TS]

  pepper potts but he's talking about it [TS]

  now right [TS]

  he's working through it worse before he [TS]

  was like curled up in a ball in his [TS]

  basement building soon as building suit [TS]

  a suit for a rainy day but what I do [TS]

  wonder is if Bruce Banner rather Mark [TS]

  Ruffalo's performance that Bruce Banner [TS]

  hadn't been the big breakout surprise [TS]

  over this movie if they had been like [TS]

  wow that back to play store bought some [TS]

  gravitas and tragedy if it wouldn't be [TS]

  him like you know having some sort of [TS]

  Asgardian phone call with Thor while [TS]

  Thor eats a turkey leg and truly tony [TS]

  was frightening [TS]

  um some meat and Jamie have some meat [TS]

  will be better [TS]

  well I i think one of the highlights for [TS]

  me of the Avengers was that relationship [TS]

  between them that they really was like [TS]

  Tony's gravitating toward the the you [TS]

  know it's like hey here's a guy who's [TS]

  you know another smart guy and he's got [TS]

  issues and I've got issues in the end [TS]

  they had that kind of thing I mean the [TS]

  end up like driving off together so you [TS]

  get the sense that the Powell so it's [TS]

  like a nice i thought it was the right [TS]

  payback [TS]

  you better pay off from the adventures [TS]

  of like of course they're buddies we saw [TS]

  that they were gonna be buddies there [TS]

  buddy easy accepted but he's not don't [TS]

  be in my movie just be after the credits [TS]

  i want to talk to you about when i'm [TS]

  done with my movies don't help me during [TS]

  my movie Iron Man and honk right i just [TS]

  watch that again last night actually no [TS]

  actually I watched every single minute [TS]

  of the road energy and playing Iron Man [TS]

  yesterday huh [TS]

  Wow [TS]

  this preparation yeah i did my did my [TS]

  research on so yeah I'd love that the [TS]

  interaction between banner and stark [TS]

  this project it's good it's it's it's a [TS]

  good place to have a long working [TS]

  history too because they made that movie [TS]

  about the Zodiac killer together and I [TS]

  want to see there's something else they [TS]

  did I Ruffalo and down [TS]

  yeah yeah Ruffalo and Danny work [TS]

  together before so i think that they [TS]

  kind of were like okay let's play with [TS]

  this is how we're gonna do it and both [TS]

  of them like their energies are couple [TS]

  complimentary if that makes sense you [TS]

  know so that the part of this movie that [TS]

  i didn't really love is um is that last [TS]

  action set piece on the oil tanker all [TS]

  of that the deus ex the deus ex machina [TS]

  literally yeah yeah yeah yeah I've got [TS]

  some suits he does have 45 suits all I [TS]

  could think was hello action think it's [TS]

  like the obligatory is true action [TS]

  climax so they do try to keep him out of [TS]

  the suit for a lot of it handily jumping [TS]

  in to suit the suit gets blown up but he [TS]

  jumps out of it may be just another suit [TS]

  but it's hard to follow and it it's [TS]

  kinda it feels tacked on right it's like [TS]

  why are they there and why is the [TS]

  president string of diamonds the large [TS]

  and nights in the armor and it for [TS]

  because they're gonna show him on TV I [TS]

  mean it just it that that's where again [TS]

  i like this movie i would i would say I [TS]

  i really enjoyed watching this movie [TS]

  that would be my big criticism of it is [TS]

  that last thing it felt like somebody [TS]

  said look it you're a big summer action [TS]

  tentpole you have to have a blowout cgi [TS]

  fight scene at the end and I would [TS]

  almost rather it been like a smaller [TS]

  scale showdown with the guy pearce and [TS]

  the other extremist people rather than I [TS]

  mean it's cool to have like 40 Iron Man [TS]

  armors flying around but it's hard to [TS]

  track like a nice idea but on the screen [TS]

  it's like I don't know what i'm watching [TS]

  and what you're just gonna have to buy [TS]

  all of the action figures because i'm [TS]

  pretty sure there's gonna be one sure [TS]

  single one where you can find out how [TS]

  this is all 23 years for hands well more [TS]

  than 25 exactly at and in a movie that [TS]

  was really all about the human scale [TS]

  that was also the really during thing [TS]

  about it is in the end there's this [TS]

  thing that has no human scale at all [TS]

  then I guess what happens with Gwyneth [TS]

  Paltrow which which i kinda like that [TS]

  she got fed with the extremist stuff and [TS]

  so she phoned the oh well i like i like [TS]

  that she popped fell into the pit and [TS]

  then comes back out and have a [TS]

  conversation with Tony really what I'm I [TS]

  just because I dropped into the the [TS]

  fiery pit you thought I was dead i got [TS]

  the stuff in me at least that was human [TS]

  I guess is what I'm saying I'm not sure [TS]

  I like that the fact that guy Pearce's [TS]

  injecting her with extremist and all of [TS]

  that but it was fine but that was like [TS]

  at least that was human scale the rest [TS]

  of it was just robots flying around and [TS]

  the group there's another robot okay and [TS]

  he just didn't that that was it was let [TS]

  down i didn't make me not like the movie [TS]

  but it was like an unnecessary just like [TS]

  like you had three or four desserts and [TS]

  somebody said never escape like I don't [TS]

  need me cake sorry i say more robot cake [TS]

  cake [TS]

  not only did was there are so many [TS]

  robots and so much more suits and stuff [TS]

  going on you couldn't follow the battle [TS]

  we don't like the reason the Star Wars [TS]

  battles generally work as you can kind [TS]

  of well not the not the people's [TS]

  business division in the original ones [TS]

  like this like that so yeah so I don't [TS]

  want to get the story i'll try to avoid [TS]

  this is my first time on the show I got [TS]

  a touchdown ever wanna talk about Doctor [TS]

  Who in a minute okay around its that you [TS]

  know the trench run makes sense you can [TS]

  you can kind of tell it's happening with [TS]

  this battle [TS]

  no idea I have no idea what's happening [TS]

  yeah so having all those things just [TS]

  flying around an exploding the [TS]

  background it it made the trains [TS]

  unreadable to me it's a direction it's a [TS]

  director thing and I got to say one of [TS]

  the things i think the joss whedon did a [TS]

  good job in the Avengers and somebody [TS]

  would only directed one feature film [TS]

  before is that the action is [TS]

  understandable I I realize it may not be [TS]

  logical that they're sort of like the [TS]

  guys on gliders doing laps in New York [TS]

  and their the whales that are doing laps [TS]

  in New York and but you kind of know [TS]

  where everybody is and why they're doing [TS]

  what they're doing and it went when you [TS]

  can't express that as a director your [TS]

  audience gets confused and that happened [TS]

  in this just like in a in the dark [TS]

  knight actually whether those scenes [TS]

  where he's got like where Batman's got [TS]

  his like radar vision and there's like [TS]

  the dark the and there's like the dark [TS]

  missed our office tower that's got guys [TS]

  in it and i SAT there for 20 minutes [TS]

  going i had no idea what I'm even [TS]

  looking at here it's just like fighting [TS]

  and blowing up and I I where are we why [TS]

  are we here now it's going to sweat it [TS]

  the hostages have been swamped with yeah [TS]

  exactly exactly [TS]

  it's really beautiful it's just bad i [TS]

  mean it's like bad action directing and [TS]

  I know that's kind of obscure but it's [TS]

  like you're making an action movie and [TS]

  like Shane Black good screenwriter did a [TS]

  good job with all the down any kind of [TS]

  level stuff then he gets to the set [TS]

  piece and it's just like there are too [TS]

  many moving parts and I don't really [TS]

  know what's going on and it kind of [TS]

  feels like it doesn't matter and yeah [TS]

  it's just yeah it's a it's like a e it [TS]

  could have been done better I i would [TS]

  argue that it didn't need to be this big [TS]

  thing but it certainly could have been [TS]

  executed better and it wasn't so it's [TS]

  like I don't know what I'm looking at it [TS]

  just wasn't ready i'm an extremist book [TS]

  his first encounter with the extremist [TS]

  guy is awesome it's like pretty just [TS]

  Toto and it's just a major beatdown [TS]

  yeah like it's like not it's it's [TS]

  country like it suits failing on the [TS]

  time like the guys eat doesn't expect [TS]

  the guy to be that powerful kind of [TS]

  stuff and it it's just really basic and [TS]

  it really works and like that and that's [TS]

  in here right it's like the his [TS]

  confrontation with Guy Pearce where he's [TS]

  melting the suit and he has to jump out [TS]

  and all that that's kind of interesting [TS]

  but it is combined with this crazy like [TS]

  a beehive swarm of of iron man suits and [TS]

  other extremist people when does it come [TS]

  out when things were getting blown up [TS]

  and there were 200 civilians there as [TS]

  well as Tony right JD number of things [TS]

  because that's the thing that I kept [TS]

  going back to his is oh oh so now he's [TS]

  ok with this is but when things were [TS]

  getting blown up and he's freaking out [TS]

  over his girlfriend possibly getting [TS]

  crushed by all the concrete and glass [TS]

  and oh by the way we just the way they [TS]

  explain that away is that it got it got [TS]

  like covered and and and there's that [TS]

  scene where they like the cream is like [TS]

  all right now we have uncovered the door [TS]

  and in the right where it's like until [TS]

  that moment the suit little secret [TS]

  panic room hatch with all the suits in [TS]

  it because again prioritize the suits [TS]

  that's the most important thing to say [TS]

  yeah is it and until that moment it's [TS]

  like a cutaway of like oh good it's now [TS]

  available [TS]

  all-access actually yeah I just to have [TS]

  a camera point I enjoyed that scene and [TS]

  that's that piece just because it was so [TS]

  ridiculous i'm going to a summer movie [TS]

  about a billionaire genius who can build [TS]

  45 suits of armor in his basement i [TS]

  expect to see every suit of armor haha [TS]

  and i did so kudos to them [TS]

  yeah but you didn't have much of it was [TS]

  just a blur it's just the execution [TS]

  right it's like it's like there's that [TS]

  thing where there's the one suit that's [TS]

  like really heavy and just kind of like [TS]

  runs and slams into you and his hammers [TS]

  on its arms and stuff it's like wow that [TS]

  was cool but it's like where did it come [TS]

  from why was it there i'd like to get [TS]

  there if it's really heavy came from [TS]

  tony's time spring yeah i know i just i [TS]

  like the idea i like the idea just the [TS]

  execution did it get fruit and sprang [TS]

  from his forehead fully far [TS]

  yeah exactly there's an iron man who is [TS]

  also a beer keg I think because Tony you [TS]

  know likes to drink so we just built one [TS]

  that's so the thing is if you if you [TS]

  read two books a lot of those suits in [TS]

  the books there did not realize this was [TS]

  based on a novel by the way [TS]

  well sorry okay really gonna be that [TS]

  snotty that's not your dirty show can [TS]

  accept the comic is a book it's not [TS]

  Scott they're just graphic novels sweet [TS]

  it's not about 18th century New York [TS]

  detectives I know it's another well be [TS]

  awesome if the 18th century New York [TS]

  detective with a suit of iron the people [TS]

  that would actually be cool [TS]

  yeah that could work out yeah yeah like [TS]

  the big the big bulky suit is like a [TS]

  Hulkbuster thing that he built in 1.2 [TS]

  beat up the Hulk and those variations [TS]

  that you've seen in the comics / you [TS]

  know over the blades so there's a lot of [TS]

  fan service in the shots shredded that [TS]

  assembly shot is basically offensive as [TS]

  one also you know the we gotta the first [TS]

  two movies both of which were very [TS]

  successful i thought the first movie was [TS]

  great actually like it better than the [TS]

  dark knight I thought it was fun i was [TS]

  one of the most fun superhero movies [TS]

  I've ever seen [TS]

  so surprising and enjoyable and I I'd [TS]

  loved it i and i still love it that [TS]

  that's it's it's a movie that I could [TS]

  that I would take somebody who [TS]

  would not ever think that they could it [TS]

  have fun at a superhero movie and put [TS]

  them in front ya think that was pretty [TS]

  much my husband that's the litmus test [TS]

  for superhero movies what about you [TS]

  really take it so iron man 2i think not [TS]

  as fun [TS]

  I you know will not show that one to [TS]

  fill in a bit first time I saw it I [TS]

  didn't like it i I've seen it since [TS]

  because my kids wanted to see at night [TS]

  it's okay but it's really just like it's [TS]

  like it's like extra scenes at the end [TS]

  of Iron Man 1 it's kind of like not I'm [TS]

  not much of a movie but my point here is [TS]

  that both of those movies and with a [TS]

  confrontation where it's like I have I [TS]

  have a suit i also have a suit [TS]

  let's fight and and I felt like an iron [TS]

  man 3 that in some ways that's what they [TS]

  were trying to get away from here is [TS]

  just that final confrontation again if [TS]

  it would just been guy Pearson robert [TS]

  downey jr and it was like biological [TS]

  technology biotech vs metal tech that [TS]

  would have been interesting would've [TS]

  been spectacular like this was but it [TS]

  would've been interesting but what they [TS]

  didn't want to do is have it literally [TS]

  be you know like metal things versus [TS]

  metal things again because they did that [TS]

  right so there they were trying to do it [TS]

  something different with the ending [TS]

  because how many times can you have a be [TS]

  metal suit versus metal suit for all the [TS]

  marbles gets gets really old [TS]

  I would have loved to see that so one of [TS]

  the reasons i like iron man so much is [TS]

  that Scott's gonna like this i'm a huge [TS]

  Captain Kirk fan [TS]

  oh and android kirat and star trek in [TS]

  the enterprise work best when the [TS]

  enterprise is totally screwed up and [TS]

  rick has to I think his way out of a [TS]

  situation you can well either ingenuity [TS]

  and I think Tony Stark and Iron Man [TS]

  works well for that because unlike other [TS]

  superheroes you can't just randomly [TS]

  disable it [TS]

  their powers right but because the Iron [TS]

  Man suit is mr. checky you know [TS]

  yeah sure you can put the tech can get [TS]

  beaten up and dysfunctional and the the [TS]

  character gets less powerful as he gets [TS]

  beaten up you know what I mean right and [TS]

  so tony has to think his way out of [TS]

  situations and I think that they could [TS]

  have they had an excellent set up in [TS]

  this movie and then it they didn't [TS]

  really pay it off because he just kept [TS]

  jumping out a suit from suit to suit and [TS]

  just the single best scene in iron man [TS]

  two is where Tony is completely helpless [TS]

  being attacked by Mickey work with his [TS]

  crazy whips right yeah [TS]

  and a resume and they run and he's [TS]

  trying to get away in the the race car [TS]

  gets cut in half and all of that and [TS]

  then made a he ends up with his little [TS]

  suitcase suit and he puts it on and he [TS]

  and even then he should be barely makes [TS]

  it out but that's a great scene and it's [TS]

  a great scene because of that exact [TS]

  thing which is that it's not you know [TS]

  he--he's in a position of weakness [TS]

  he's not exactly what Superman you have [TS]

  to have like kryptonite or something [TS]

  like that with tony stark it's just like [TS]

  oh crap but my suit isn't working or I [TS]

  don't have my suit and that's what I [TS]

  think that's what I hate it like putting [TS]

  on the suit takes planning right takes a [TS]

  bit of time it takes some planning and [TS]

  that's what I hate about this just added [TS]

  to the comic books now too but this [TS]

  well the last one saw wherever he is [TS]

  this is to pursue pieces will just [TS]

  either come out of him or just fly at [TS]

  him and yeah it takes away some of the [TS]

  danger of being Tony rhetoric and some [TS]

  of the interesting controllability of [TS]

  the pigs [TS]

  thank you in this example back in the [TS]

  old Superfriends comics batman the money [TS]

  to pay his utility belt he was host and [TS]

  that this is sort of that could this is [TS]

  sort of the Marvel Universe equivalent [TS]

  of that take away this like Batman's [TS]

  utility belt is like I never exercised i [TS]

  have fun picking i'm talking about [TS]

  Superman you got this one right [TS]

  I can quit that you detective trying to [TS]

  be good at forget that part [TS]

  I gotta do I told you about my parents [TS]

  yeah my parents the things i like I mean [TS]

  I wrote I wrote a piece for my day job [TS]

  actually which is a little strange about [TS]

  Iron Man and the things that I learned I [TS]

  learned from it or glean from iron man 3 [TS]

  and and I I touched on some of them [TS]

  which is I really like the fact that [TS]

  this is a movie about you know I'm as a [TS]

  techno superhero and yet this movie is [TS]

  actually basically saying the the person [TS]

  in the suit is important and more [TS]

  important than the technology which I [TS]

  really i like that as a theme I like [TS]

  again there's good reason for it just [TS]

  saying let's get Robert Downey jr. out [TS]

  of the suit but i like that as a message [TS]

  that that that it's about the guy and [TS]

  then also when he's in Tennessee and he [TS]

  he talks to his little kid friend about [TS]

  about who he is and he says he's a [TS]

  mechanic I like that too because it's [TS]

  it's you know at his core [TS]

  when when he is laid low by his [TS]

  post-traumatic stress disorder was Tony [TS]

  Stark do he doesn't actually descended [TS]

  into booze and girls right [TS]

  he still with pepper and he's what he [TS]

  does is he becomes like obsessively [TS]

  building things hehe is an engineer at [TS]

  his core easy [TS]

  he's a he's a playboy billionaire but [TS]

  really he's an engineer and I like that [TS]

  it's like that's who he is that's who [TS]

  Tony Stark is at the center any and and [TS]

  and he's a person and he's got these [TS]

  ideas and all this other stuff is just [TS]

  fish he's got his metal shell and he's [TS]

  got his like emotional shell of like oh [TS]

  I'm I'm quickie and i I'm I'm a [TS]

  billionaire and all that but in reality [TS]

  he's actually a guy who is that is [TS]

  happiest when he's building these stupid [TS]

  suits and i like that i thought that was [TS]

  a really nice a really nice way to [TS]

  handle that character i think it's all [TS]

  right way to approach Tony Stark [TS]

  yeah i totally agree i'm always amazed [TS]

  when they do that where it's like yes [TS]

  you you characterize this person right [TS]

  yeah i agree i think one thing is so [TS]

  when i look at the height of my German [TS]

  of this character sort of late eighties [TS]

  early nineties kind of thing he was [TS]

  amazing and building the suits and all [TS]

  that but if you needed to break into a [TS]

  computer he would have to go to one of [TS]

  his guys like he was not software this [TS]

  guy is a hardware guy he's keep watching [TS]

  literally a center yeah I mean I'm [TS]

  stomach these days you kind of have to [TS]

  make him software don't want to but but [TS]

  yeah like that it's the mechanical stuff [TS]

  is really so it gets to the heart of the [TS]

  guy like he built thank you build a [TS]

  physical things yeah that's what that's [TS]

  what that's his skill right that's a [TS]

  superpower things got a superpower is [TS]

  that he's a builder [TS]

  yeah it actually kind of bugged me that [TS]

  he figured out the extremists thing [TS]

  during a time of running it's like you [TS]

  know [TS]

  come on ok smart but you shouldn't be [TS]

  able to fix every single red problem [TS]

  although whatever in in the comic books [TS]

  he's there you know expanded his [TS]

  character sometimes justed ultimate [TS]

  genius and if I also really like the [TS]

  fact that there's that scene where [TS]

  pepper comes home and she's welcomed by [TS]

  Iron Man and it turns out that iron man [TS]

  is is not tony and he's downstairs and [TS]

  he was offloaded the girlfriend made [TS]

  it's one of those machines yeah I love [TS]

  that because he's dad messed up [TS]

  he's that also reminds me of the opening [TS]

  of watchmen where Lori's asleep and [TS]

  John's putting the moves on her with one [TS]

  of his body duplicates will he decides [TS]

  the room right right in different room [TS]

  it's a bad move right it's like against [TS]

  the message here is don't use your [TS]

  technology to as a replacement for the [TS]

  personal touch don't do it [TS]

  that was a really nice touch and and [TS]

  then the other thing which i mentioned [TS]

  earlier that i thought was a really [TS]

  great theme from this again is is this [TS]

  is a movie about a guy who's an engineer [TS]

  he builds things they're made out of [TS]

  metal and computers and all that [TS]

  who is the best villain to have it's not [TS]

  another guy although I like jeff bridges [TS]

  in the first movie that were all right [TS]

  yeah right but it's not a guy in a metal [TS]

  suit it's it's these biotech villains [TS]

  and I think that says something about us [TS]

  that like as viewers and as people who [TS]

  are living in the 21st century [TS]

  we're kind of comfortable with computers [TS]

  and hardware computer hardware and stuff [TS]

  like that [TS]

  the scary thing the other that makes us [TS]

  kind of creeped out is the is this is [TS]

  this organic biology hacking your own [TS]

  body [TS]

  Gino changing who you are physically [TS]

  instead of just adding we're comfortable [TS]

  like adding text to our persons but not [TS]

  to die changing our biology and that's [TS]

  what extremist is and I think that's [TS]

  really cool idea that in the movie like [TS]

  this that the ville the villains are not [TS]

  other people in metal like it the the [TS]

  danger just comes at him from a totally [TS]

  different direction like wood one that [TS]

  ideally he wouldn't understand but it [TS]

  apparently understand enough to cure it [TS]

  turns out cure it during a voiceover but [TS]

  whatever but know that I think that's a [TS]

  really good point gets back in the [TS]

  sixties of aviation right like surviving [TS]

  i got bit by a radioactive spider these [TS]

  days are genetically altered spider [TS]

  right right and that's that's the scary [TS]

  it's always a spider-man Iron Man's yes [TS]

  it's a BSI daredevil was hit by a [TS]

  package of that's right it's always been [TS]

  fantastic for was my barded by cosmic [TS]

  spiders [TS]

  it's weird was spider really Stanley was [TS]

  afraid of spiders it turns out he had a [TS]

  horrible phobia spider-man killed [TS]

  Batman's parents by the way [TS]

  spoiler alert know the yet so the end of [TS]

  this movie guy you just mentioned it it [TS]

  it's weird and it did guy you and I were [TS]

  talking about on twitter and it's funny [TS]

  because I like a look at the proper end [TS]

  of this movie i would say there are a [TS]

  couple proper endings there's a proper [TS]

  ending where it's tony and pepper on the [TS]

  oil thing where it's kind of the end of [TS]

  that and I felt like you could almost [TS]

  end the movie there i met kind of [TS]

  personal moment between them but [TS]

  certainly there's that moment where he's [TS]

  at the rubble of his house and he's [TS]

  talking about basically like you know [TS]

  I'm Iron Man which is a great message [TS]

  right it's like in the end it's me I [TS]

  it's not my stuff [TS]

  it's me and that's the theme of the [TS]

  movie and it's come it comes back around [TS]

  in the end he gets rid of all the stuff [TS]

  he blows up all those iron man suits [TS]

  it doesn't matter because like we said [TS]

  at the end of the first movie when he [TS]

  said I'm ironman it literally is Tony's [TS]

  iron man he's the important part of the [TS]

  puzzle not the technology bookends it [TS]

  nicely are gonna work they actually stop [TS]

  this series after iron man 3 yeah things [TS]

  to make money will not allow that to [TS]

  happen but the thing is Robert [TS]

  engineer's nearly 50 and sinner or later [TS]

  it's gonna it's just going to start [TS]

  looking at really ridiculous and sad the [TS]

  same way that it kind of does now when [TS]

  you watch you Jackman as Wolverine where [TS]

  you're like my your impressive shape for [TS]

  a guy who's nearly 50 and you think but [TS]

  you're nearly fifteen you're playing an [TS]

  ageless mutants actually I'd be ok if it [TS]

  in Avengers 2 it was really like tony [TS]

  was like look I don't want to do this [TS]

  anymore and he sort of has forced to but [TS]

  it was not like I'm active in at the top [TS]

  of my game but more like he should do is [TS]

  just blend out some remote control suits [TS]

  like me you see him as sitting out the [TS]

  fight but he's participating because he [TS]

  sends out some more suits sure because [TS]

  you know once once once some samuel [TS]

  jackson excuse me Nick Fury one stick [TS]

  furious background like the Sandals [TS]

  resort and discovers what's happening [TS]

  right now what [TS]

  that's can talk about before yeah he's [TS]

  gonna like so let me get this straight [TS]

  while I wasn't while i was on vacation [TS]

  we found out that Tony Stark is a [TS]

  massive case of PTSD he double dog dare [TS]

  to terrorists to find him on national TV [TS]

  the terrorists did this guy goes [TS]

  underground and deepest darkest redneck [TS]

  stand [TS]

  he emerges it turns out he's been [TS]

  secretly building several independent [TS]

  autonomous remote-controlled iron man [TS]

  suits in his basement [TS]

  okay ducky this existed i want some of [TS]

  them i want some of them ironman sign me [TS]

  up [TS]

  yeah i think that actually might be [TS]

  interesting so this r8 as a Iron Man fan [TS]

  that I don't like any of this war [TS]

  machine stuff and ready even though it's [TS]

  something that's been Andy eventually be [TS]

  funny lines right i say i loved what [TS]

  they did with him because they made him [TS]

  goofy and sort of an effective you know [TS]

  like trying hard but basically just [TS]

  failed at every point i hate the idea of [TS]

  strapping giant machine guns into iron [TS]

  man because it's ghost light totally [TS]

  against what the characters about [TS]

  basically yeah I never liked I never [TS]

  liked war machine I like Brody when he [TS]

  was in Iron Man's armor because don't [TS]

  get drunk [TS]

  that was great because he's like some [TS]

  fish every man has to fly the armor it's [TS]

  like oh crap what do i do but that was [TS]

  that was amazing [TS]

  yeah like I think they kind of touched [TS]

  on it in the second movie but they skip [TS]

  the missed a huge opportunity not to [TS]

  deal with the Starks alcoholism [TS]

  yeah I i agree that would have been a [TS]

  great are going to magically cured by [TS]

  his PTSD [TS]

  yeah well maybe you know maybe one way [TS]

  forward for the series of downey you [TS]

  know it either doesn't want to do it or [TS]

  that it doesn't really fit is to have [TS]

  him like you said be the kind of genius [TS]

  behind the scenes and have either [TS]

  remote-controlled or you know or have I [TS]

  don't like Don Cheadle is an interesting [TS]

  character and have him be like alright [TS]

  Tony you don't want to be on man we need [TS]

  an iron man i'll be iron man yeah that [TS]

  would have let you or some other [TS]

  character because they do with the [TS]

  marvel vs with Hawkeye is everyone [TS]

  smaller like oh he's getting old and [TS]

  falling apart so why don't we give it to [TS]

  Kate what's-her-face yes Brad and it [TS]

  actually works where you know where it's [TS]

  a nice meditation on mortality and the [TS]

  question of whether or not people are [TS]

  more attached to the notion of a hero [TS]

  identity with the person behind it right [TS]

  and moving number three seems to suggest [TS]

  that iron man is Tony Stark is our men [TS]

  is tony stark and I think it'd be kind [TS]

  of interesting if in Avengers to Tony [TS]

  Stark cassettes you know what I'm iron [TS]

  man but i can just change the parameters [TS]

  that anytime I feel like right now what [TS]

  that means that i'm the guy in the [TS]

  central control zone with all my little [TS]

  robots flying around [TS]

  instead you don't want to hate it well [TS]

  first of all the idea of a [TS]

  remote-control suit i really dislike [TS]

  because it totally takes you out of [TS]

  danger like you're not here at that [TS]

  point he never why does he ever and we [TS]

  were never we never really saw but it [TS]

  does turn into a drone operator [TS]

  yeah yes it is what I mean you know you [TS]

  had a pack of cigarettes in an ashtray [TS]

  next to you and you like yesterday [TS]

  because of their force base actually I I [TS]

  feel like we needed a scene where we saw [TS]

  that the drone Iron Man armor wasn't as [TS]

  effective like there's a reason why it's [TS]

  better if there's a guy in it you know [TS]

  what we whatever so used to seeing i [TS]

  really want to talk about is the plane [TS]

  rescue right that is a daring like dude [TS]

  you know this suit bus into a plane [TS]

  takes out an extremist guy and pretty [TS]

  clever away and ends up saving 113 [TS]

  following people right people you by [TS]

  doing this crazy maneuver and then like [TS]

  after he saves them just flies off and [TS]

  gets hit by bus and disintegrates and we [TS]

  find out that Tony hasn't been there the [TS]

  whole time like that you just that's not [TS]

  a heroic the letdown is that's like well [TS]

  thank you [TS]

  she really liked that I thought that was [TS]

  but he also has a thing for me it's like [TS]

  Jarvis tells him that you can only hold [TS]

  for people he takes a ballsy move by [TS]

  trying to figure out how to that he's [TS]

  going to save all of electric current [TS]

  yeah he's gonna save all of them and it [TS]

  may not work and he may end up crashing [TS]

  into the into the water and dying [TS]

  basically except that was never the risk [TS]

  that he took the hero never took the [TS]

  risk there right he tried something they [TS]

  thought could work and it didn't work [TS]

  well whatever at least he did something [TS]

  at least he tried [TS]

  you know I mean like it i just it [TS]

  removes again [TS]

  Musa vulnerability of the character yeah [TS]

  I i agree i think it was cool and yet at [TS]

  the same time it does feel like the [TS]

  stakes are a lot less of Tony's just do [TS]

  enough like remote control on the ground [TS]

  and this nigga shaving was awesome and [TS]

  then they kind of threw it away with [TS]

  that gag where he gets hit by a bus and [TS]

  surely check out be not as good when [TS]

  it's a remote-controlled suit is when [TS]

  there's a guy in it right [TS]

  I mean surely about the kind of hundred [TS]

  country they actually make that they [TS]

  make that argument and i guess and i see [TS]

  i see your point i think i think it [TS]

  would be more compelling if it were [TS]

  the remote-controlled suits are handy [TS]

  for simple tasks but the reaction time [TS]

  where the leg time is such where they [TS]

  can work with you can't use them in [TS]

  finished situations but what I enjoyed [TS]

  about using the suit remotely to [TS]

  electrocute 13 people and then stick [TS]

  them in the water was which is what [TS]

  happened [TS]

  yeah skinmedica mean electricity it's [TS]

  your friend I'm what i thought was it [TS]

  was actually I thought okay this is a [TS]

  great way actually to set up for future [TS]

  movies where again Robert Downey jr. is [TS]

  closing in on age 50 and he snapped his [TS]

  ankle like a pretzel stick making this [TS]

  movie so what's to say that he's in the [TS]

  next one is like you know what let's [TS]

  just explore the idea that i'm taking [TS]

  the tech i'm i'm taking the person out [TS]

  of the technology and I i am moving into [TS]

  drone operators and I thought well this [TS]

  would be nice precedent for that and it [TS]

  also points out that again this is him [TS]

  thinking his way through a problem and [TS]

  there were two problems number one was [TS]

  there were 13 people that had to be [TS]

  saved the number two was he couldn't [TS]

  leave roadie in the ship and he still [TS]

  had to save them and he thought his way [TS]

  into a really creative solution so I [TS]

  thought that the stakes were there just [TS]

  because he wasn't physically present [TS]

  didn't mean that the states were there [TS]

  people the people steal victims were [TS]

  there but he wasn't right he was risking [TS]

  himself yet so but he still felt [TS]

  responsible if he hadn't managed to save [TS]

  them [TS]

  ok woody that's part yes but he wouldn't [TS]

  be dead in two meters a bit like Alicia [TS]

  is this had happened in your life be [TS]

  like mannequins a hero but kind of gives [TS]

  you didn't have any skin in the game it [TS]

  feels dramatically less impressive right [TS]

  instead of dying he would have just gone [TS]

  back to his lair and built like a team [TS]

  or suits more feeling guilty right that [TS]

  way and that and that would have also [TS]

  been an interesting way to go so so we [TS]

  should talk about the the other part of [TS]

  the ending that i didn't mention which [TS]

  is I in my mind the most problematic [TS]

  part of the end which is we have the [TS]

  series of it's almost like you don't [TS]

  like the end of unbreakable which is a [TS]

  movie i like but they're sort of like [TS]

  the and this happens in lots of movies [TS]

  and TV shows like mr. glass was [TS]

  incarcerated at this array it's like [TS]

  literally tell you what happened after [TS]

  the story was over and so we get this [TS]

  weird thing where it's like and then i [TS]

  cured pepper [TS]

  yeah and I I figured out how to save [TS]

  myself from all the metal by my [TS]

  why don't the shrapnel and I was all [TS]

  what what what well I think everything I [TS]

  did [TS]

  it's big from extremists thing going on [TS]

  there but they don't exactly know that's [TS]

  the only way I could make that my name [TS]

  and I get it I get the almost no this is [TS]

  too much to say it's the poetry of it [TS]

  but I get the symbolism of it right [TS]

  because it's he's removing the tech he's [TS]

  blowing up suits he's removing the text [TS]

  from his heart he's gonna be a guy he's [TS]

  gonna not be an attack I get that and I [TS]

  get sort of I guess from a continuity [TS]

  standpoint of like not making people [TS]

  worried about pepper or something but it [TS]

  seemed kinda like unnecessary and sudden [TS]

  and i would rather I don't know I don't [TS]

  know whether I would rather they just [TS]

  deferred it for the next time we see [TS]

  Tony Stark that he doesn't have the [TS]

  thing anymore and he got it out of his [TS]

  heart and that we deal with pepper not [TS]

  being an extremist thing anymore felt to [TS]

  me that they got to the end of a movie [TS]

  yeah and then they were like okay now [TS]

  we're going to end the trilogy so the [TS]

  pieces are out of his heart yeah you're [TS]

  gone and yeah things look things are [TS]

  looking up for Tony like just after all [TS]

  this time suddenly it's like and then I [TS]

  had this great idea i could get the [TS]

  thing out of my mind my heart [TS]

  well I mean it opens with him shooting [TS]

  more technology into himself right [TS]

  answers have taken it out so it kind of [TS]

  balances out [TS]

  yeah the meaning the place at the poetry [TS]

  that the the symbolism of it that works [TS]

  for me it's him he's removing the attack [TS]

  was injecting tag have no idea what he [TS]

  didn't do it before actually to return [TS]

  to the theme that you exported in your [TS]

  tech I've piece where you talk about how [TS]

  the movie reveals a somatic uneasiness [TS]

  with biotech Tony Stark turns himself [TS]

  into a cyborg and then undoes it [TS]

  yeah and to me it's intriguing that we [TS]

  are much more okay with the idea of [TS]

  introducing man-made foreign objects [TS]

  into our bodies if they're cool [TS]

  yeah then we are with trying to rewrite [TS]

  genetic code to avoid diseases or [TS]

  restore lost limbs or or anything like [TS]

  that it's it just gets set up as you [TS]

  know I'm a I'm a troubled man I always [TS]

  i'm going to have the mettle by my heart [TS]

  and only technology is keeping me alive [TS]

  for three movies and at the end of the [TS]

  third movie [TS]

  it's like finally I figured that out [TS]

  yeah yeah it's kind of weird and it [TS]

  seems people not what I well-adjusted [TS]

  have the love of a good woman i have the [TS]

  motivation [TS]

  yeah and then also it's extremist we [TS]

  don't understand it's very strange very [TS]

  deadly these people are blowing up and [TS]

  they're killing people and their bad and [TS]

  I fixed [TS]

  oh I figured that out i cured that ok I [TS]

  mean it's just it's a letdown because I [TS]

  guess it would be nice if Bruce Banner [TS]

  have been the one to figure that out [TS]

  it's a good thing i could write you [TS]

  monkeys organic system that haven't been [TS]

  oh my Romick I fix all these people who [TS]

  burst into flames but i can text my own [TS]

  bad temper and I'm sure there's a they [TS]

  wanted just the shortcut because they [TS]

  wanted the poetry so they wanted they [TS]

  wanted the shortcut but it just it [TS]

  seemed really abrupt and it reminded me [TS]

  of nothing other than that seen in the [TS]

  Simpsons where where there's that slot [TS]

  Simpsons where where there's that slot [TS]

  I think it's dropped in the the chain [TS]

  scratchy show that says pucci died on [TS]

  the way back to his home planet and they [TS]

  say that's okay she was an alien [TS]

  I guess right it's just like whoa where [TS]

  did that come from [TS]

  ooo I guess the cured extremist ok it's [TS]

  just it's it's it's weird I get why they [TS]

  did it because i like that Tony ends up [TS]

  completely unencumbered by technology [TS]

  that's what this movie is about it's [TS]

  about how he isn't important and the [TS]

  suit is not and what defines him is not [TS]

  his technology but him you know his [TS]

  intelligence and his personality and and [TS]

  himself as a human being i get all of [TS]

  that it's just like whoa that you know [TS]

  it but you told us for three movies that [TS]

  he could he had this trapdoor in his [TS]

  heart he couldn't take it out now it's [TS]

  like that's fine i didn't know that was [TS]

  you know it just it was yeah i would [TS]

  have trusted brought many minutes of the [TS]

  final battle scene [TS]

  yeah for like a more robust wrap up to [TS]

  the you know to the trilogy vegas right [TS]

  of the human well again I were the human [TS]

  race meant the human elements were what [TS]

  we wanted to see a little more of at the [TS]

  end and not just lots of stuff blowing [TS]

  up maybe that's what we got [TS]

  yeah but i like it so where do we put [TS]

  this as well as we're getting toward the [TS]

  end here where do we put these three [TS]

  movies in terms of sequence I I had a [TS]

  bunch of people asking is it better than [TS]

  iron man one is better than iron man 2i [TS]

  think an army into personally i think is [TS]

  the weakest of these by far [TS]

  oh yes I I like Iron Man 1 so much and [TS]

  iron man 3 I guess I'd say it's not as [TS]

  good as the first movie but the first 90 [TS]

  minutes of it is really really good and [TS]

  then it's just like okay after it's sort [TS]

  of more generic superhero after that and [TS]

  I was let down because I I thought that [TS]

  first 90 minutes where it's kind of [TS]

  weird and darken subversive and I like [TS]

  that part of it so i guess i drank from [TS]

  13 to but i'm curious what you guys [TS]

  think its 1324 here [TS]

  yeah I think he was just terrible it is [TS]

  it is other than that seen with the race [TS]

  car in the amount suitcase i like i love [TS]

  that i like this even the diner with [TS]

  scarlett johansson and samuel l jackson [TS]

  laying it out for Robert sure [TS]

  oh yeah actually yeah there's a couple [TS]

  of good things i watch it again like I [TS]

  think Scarlett Johansson's pretty [TS]

  underrated in the in the franchise's a [TS]

  hole to be frank [TS]

  she's really good actually and then she [TS]

  yeah yeah I think she's in [TS]

  she's in the new captain america that's [TS]

  going to come out the winter soldier [TS]

  she's a major not like even a cameo but [TS]

  like is the the major other character in [TS]

  that which i'm looking forward to [TS]

  because I feel like that character is [TS]

  actually gonna benefit from not being [TS]

  sharing the space with you know eight [TS]

  other people [TS]

  yea yea or you know basically being a [TS]

  curious little not only the attack dog [TS]

  but you know that yeah the darth vader [TS]

  Furies palatine yeah transparency they [TS]

  basically they're using her for errands [TS]

  which right yeah and you're thinking [TS]

  really this is a person who's training [TS]

  who can kill people with her thighs and [TS]

  speaking billion and then you're [TS]

  basically sending her just to just to [TS]

  check off items on your you get things [TS]

  done for you know what they did well [TS]

  with her in the Avengers did when they [TS]

  introduced her that was a great scene [TS]

  where you think she's in trouble and [TS]

  then she gets called in and that is [TS]

  literally just Whedon at his back yet [TS]

  that is that scene is Joss Whedon at his [TS]

  best that's what he does well yeah she's [TS]

  like exasperated like yeah come on [TS]

  Messiah plus i'm looking forward to [TS]

  seeing Avengers 2 because presumably if [TS]

  she and Captain America take their act [TS]

  on the road in winter soldier then that [TS]

  should inform their partnership or their [TS]

  reactions in the second adventures and I [TS]

  like the idea of when the band gets back [TS]

  together [TS]

  there are all of these alliances or [TS]

  loyalties that didn't used to be there [TS]

  yet right definitely like in The [TS]

  Adventures a-listers at you know captain [TS]

  Tony don't like each other right but [TS]

  then they end up working together to fix [TS]

  the Helicarrier and it you know in the [TS]

  comic books they're fast friends except [TS]

  except for the civil war but other well [TS]

  saying that should have just disappeared [TS]

  but yes no more now Lord of course [TS]

  that's sure to say yeah no more [TS]

  disagreements between Tony and captain [TS]

  america please [TS]

  it's Reed Richards fault it's always [TS]

  rebuild it's always a guy well how do [TS]

  you rate the how do you rate the movies [TS]

  where the slot iron man 3 I i think [TS]

  there's should be no argument [TS]

  number one is just brilliant yeah number [TS]

  three is good [TS]

  number two is kind of bed [TS]

  yeah but and I'm saying that like that's [TS]

  calibrated to be you know general [TS]

  filmgoing person [TS]

  preferred the nerdy stuff i think it's [TS]

  still the same order but you know maybe [TS]

  did spread is reduced a little bit [TS]

  enough [TS]

  Scott what about you i would agree iron [TS]

  man two is this weird movie for me in [TS]

  which I completely forget that I've seen [TS]

  it every time I was on TV I'm like oh [TS]

  and i remember we get to the bottom of [TS]

  weather like in the swamp and there's [TS]

  the Ironman and and and and Brody is [TS]

  there and then be at the mitten bike [TS]

  missile robot guys are coming in and I'm [TS]

  like okay thats in this movie it's like [TS]

  I can't even it doesn't even step make [TS]

  some sense yeah i have already its kind [TS]

  of doesn't have a coherent plot it's [TS]

  just so I want to have three are far far [TS]

  superior get two to three every single [TS]

  character has a motivation even want to [TS]

  name d a million not killing you killing [TS]

  the same guy [TS]

  yeah Maya Hansen to right right yeah and [TS]

  she has a like a perfectly reasonable [TS]

  reason to take Killians money to try to [TS]

  develop extremist Killian has a [TS]

  perfectly reasonable reason why not [TS]

  it's insane but you know he wants like [TS]

  they're really good to set up the [TS]

  announcement vixen those motivations [TS]

  dollar characters and iron man 2 it's [TS]

  like I don't I don't get it [TS]

  I there's Mickey work his son is very [TS]

  mad at Tony Stark for reasons it's just [TS]

  because [TS]

  yeah yeah we have my bird that's right [TS]

  the great it was all the bird that's [TS]

  what it was [TS]

  it's a fake I would give give me my bird [TS]

  i want bird already start stealing my [TS]

  bird [TS]

  so you know i like i like um I like iron [TS]

  man 3 it sounds like everybody here [TS]

  agreed that it was kind of a thumbs-up [TS]

  iron man 3 and I wanted to say how jaded [TS]

  we are about this because I think back [TS]

  to other superhero franchise third [TS]

  movies this is the kiss of death for [TS]

  superhero franchises there have been so [TS]

  many bad third superhero movies and by [TS]

  those terms you know you know how lucky [TS]

  we are man 3 was actually good because [TS]

  you know spider-man 3 is what your [TS]

  superman three or I you know there's a [TS]

  lot of really bad third third movies in [TS]

  general and third superhero movies in [TS]

  particular and [TS]

  iron man 3 was good yes good and I think [TS]

  you're right it's because they didn't [TS]

  make a superhero movie they made a buddy [TS]

  movie and yet when James Bondish kinda [TS]

  for ya you know that they made MacGyver [TS]

  with and in and i love i love the [TS]

  Christmas story crack that he gives oh [TS]

  yeah like when we first meet the guys [TS]

  got this a group like this i'm doing [TS]

  Christmas that's gotta be a an ad-lib [TS]

  that one feels like downs just like [TS]

  that's funny well Peter Billingsley was [TS]

  in the first iron man movie yeah he was [TS]

  and I think he's he's a producing [TS]

  Callejon jon jon favreau yeah John [TS]

  factors put on a bit away i'm going to [TS]

  say he did he does and that's okay [TS]

  yeah you know he looks good it's just it [TS]

  he the characters drastically different [TS]

  from the first we didn't even mention [TS]

  that the that Jon Favreau's character [TS]

  has been put in charge of security and [TS]

  he's super paranoid although it turns [TS]

  out that he's right to be [TS]

  yeah but that wasn't Larry some very [TS]

  some funny moments of him being you know [TS]

  everybody like oh yes happy whatever you [TS]

  know what your bachelor 1999 400 the [TS]

  little mama delightful yeah you know [TS]

  what one of the yeah one of my favorite [TS]

  lines because i watched yesterday from [TS]

  iron man two with a Tony's starts e gets [TS]

  in the racing car he gets into the [TS]

  formula 1 car right and you see the [TS]

  driver the designated designated driver [TS]

  like throw his helmet down all pissed [TS]

  off and pepper starting to realize and [TS]

  so she says to Scarlett Johansson's [TS]

  character whatever black widow [TS]

  yeah well it wasn't attached it whatever [TS]

  it is she's under a pseudonym and yeah [TS]

  um yes Natalie Natalie Natalie Natalie [TS]

  get me happy i need happy I'm like [TS]

  that's such a perfect line like I just [TS]

  love i love that character everything [TS]

  about me so happy because Matthew [TS]

  everything about happy Hogan makes me [TS]

  happy [TS]

  well he he gets the gets Tony the burger [TS]

  king hamburger assumption that he's [TS]

  awesome [TS]

  yeah you know I i was listening to [TS]

  somebody talking about iron man and talk [TS]

  about product placement in general and [TS]

  they mentioned that scene they were [TS]

  ranting about how it goes and he gets [TS]

  back from his he gets back from his a [TS]

  his time in Afghanistan and he ends up [TS]

  with this burger king rapper and it's [TS]

  like this and no it's shameless product [TS]

  placements like I love that I love that [TS]

  shameless product placement [TS]

  it's so fun it's funny it's like he [TS]

  wants a hamburger they do drive-through [TS]

  in the limo on the way the press [TS]

  conference [TS]

  it makes me laugh I don't know did if I [TS]

  were trapped in the cave in Afghanistan [TS]

  and then I had to send those back and I [TS]

  deal in and out please give you a minute [TS]

  out no no i mean well i think it was he [TS]

  just didn't care [TS]

  it's just get me a burger maybe Tony [TS]

  Stark's taste buds are killed by the [TS]

  alcohol and he thought that you know [TS]

  that hey burger king is what I wanted [TS]

  yes there is so much article mentioned [TS]

  there's so much article product [TS]

  placement it's crazy [TS]

  oh yes so in this movie of greatness [TS]

  points out that at the end Tony upgrades [TS]

  the kids a shack to fios which is very [TS]

  funny and then the Oracle i am searching [TS]

  the Oracle cloud now that was also very [TS]

  funny but Tony Stark is sort of based on [TS]

  Larry Andersen anyways yeah all because [TS]

  I thought it was a I actually thought [TS]

  was shut up to DC cop no no that's the [TS]

  nice yeah joe butter and celery was even [TS]

  in the second one he makes an appearance [TS]

  at some point yeah him in and Elon Musk [TS]

  you are like the two kind of models for [TS]

  Tony Stark in some ways it's funny [TS]

  because he blows and blows off which is [TS]

  yeah yeah sure sure but yeah there's the [TS]

  dead up to the Oracle cloud and this [TS]

  magical Cloud things happening and then [TS]

  you have the kid gets filed and actually [TS]

  got an email from somebody who the [TS]

  people of whatever city in Tennessee [TS]

  that supposed to be there in their files [TS]

  their chamber of commerce send out [TS]

  actually press release I'm not kidding [TS]

  that was like we have fast internet [TS]

  access here I don't know what this movie [TS]

  it's like no that was the point of the [TS]

  community through the kid doesn't have [TS]

  fat they get fios at the end you've got [TS]

  faster the kid didn't have it and now he [TS]

  has it he has fiber optics thank you for [TS]

  risin that's crazy the kid also has a [TS]

  crazy like he gives him a crazy car [TS]

  acharya that's like the city sending out [TS]

  of things like no we have cars here [TS]

  yes yeah and also this kid can't drive [TS]

  internal combustion has reached our [TS]

  first in Tennessee [TS]

  yeah along with extremist engines well [TS]

  so i think this was a successful episode [TS]

  of the uncomfortable and I think it was [TS]

  a successful movie which is nice because [TS]

  it could have been so much worse but it [TS]

  was good it was fun and it's not you [TS]

  know maybe kiss kiss bang bang which [TS]

  like I said it's a really great movie [TS]

  right by shane black star Robert Downey [TS]

  jr. absolutely go watch go watch that [TS]

  and val kilmer of real genius fame in [TS]

  another great very different but very [TS]

  great part well so this is great i want [TS]

  to thank you guys for coming on and [TS]

  talking about iron man with me and by [TS]

  tony stark he is iron man whether he's [TS]

  in the suit or not and and thanks of [TS]

  course to everybody out there listening [TS]

  to be uncomfortable so I want to as I as [TS]

  is my custom i'm going to thank my guess [TS]

  individually Scott McNulty thank you for [TS]

  being on episode and not one involving [TS]

  books which is shocking but you do [TS]

  occasionally go see movies and watch [TS]

  television shows so thank you [TS]

  true i don't recall books general yeah [TS]

  but that I don't put them down they are [TS]

  valued and inspirational form of art [TS]

  just for you just let me that's fair no [TS]

  no I don't know where to start there's [TS]

  something I get it [TS]

  so which will get your list and you can [TS]

  ignored that's fine [TS]

  Lisa speiser thanks again for being here [TS]

  it was my pleasure as always it was [TS]

  great to have you and guy english it's [TS]

  been a while the that we've been talking [TS]

  about maybe someday having you on is I [TS]

  was almost at the point where was [TS]

  accepting that like you know what I'm [TS]

  never going to be on ever gonna be on [TS]

  and maybe that's ok maybe you know [TS]

  that's the moment that is it just like [TS]

  when Tony except that he has to blow up [TS]

  the suits and because the iron man who [TS]

  lives within the moment you realize that [TS]

  you're never going to be on the podcast [TS]

  right on man just learned this [TS]

  that's the moment where you know yeah [TS]

  i'd like to thank million from breaking [TS]

  the glass ceiling and yeah getting a [TS]

  symbol not sure sure that's going to get [TS]

  this first timers on the clock and it's [TS]

  always good but this was this is great [TS]

  so thanks to you guys and thanks to [TS]

  everybody out there for listening to the [TS]

  uncomfortable until next time I am your [TS]

  host Jason snow will see you later [TS]