The Accidental Tech Podcast

249: Beehives Full of Bees


  I'm fired up tonight in the sense that I [TS]

  i love hate my phone and we're gonna [TS]

  have to talk about this later there are [TS]

  some parts i really really really love [TS]

  in some parts that are driving me [TS]

  freakin crazy and we should talk about [TS]

  that later that that's what the that's [TS]

  what we in the business like to call a [TS]

  teaser mmm if this stays in the show i [TS]

  guarantee someone will write in and say [TS]

  so that's actually not a teaser that's [TS]

  actually a sting preview the blast [TS]

  reference god it's a miracle that anyone [TS]

  puts any content on the internet by [TS]

  choice ever ever well if we ever want to [TS]

  get to that i do want to talk about the [TS]

  feedback to my laptop article oh I have [TS]

  feedback I would like to file actually [TS]

  unfortunately siracusa covered it pretty [TS]

  well today no I didn't talk about and I [TS]

  purposely didn't try and not to talk [TS]

  about your article we have still plenty [TS]

  of things to talk about on your article [TS]

  with you specifically alright good [TS]

  yeah and I have plenty of complaints to [TS]

  levy so I would like my chance let's [TS]

  start with some follow-up about the [TS]

  multitasking Jax gesture on the iPhone [TS]

  10 it was funny because as a podcast [TS]

  listener I have listened to every Apple [TS]

  related tech podcast that I listened to [TS]

  yet all of the feedback about the one [TS]

  true way to do the multitasking gesture [TS]

  the one true way that is flawless and [TS]

  will never ever fail it just so happens [TS]

  that there are about 75 one true waste [TS]

  multitasking gesture on the iPhone 10 [TS]

  and I had thought by the time we had [TS]

  covered it [TS]

  perhaps the internet will have gotten [TS]

  this out of their system oh no my [TS]

  friends the internet is not done so one [TS]

  of you has comically put in the show [TS]

  notes and I'm guessing this is John the [TS]

  tyranny the tyranny tyranny tyranny the [TS]

  the the angst of the pause tyrany the [TS]

  digit or an e the tyranny of the pause [TS]

  tell us about this yeah this was the [TS]

  implied context of all of my calm [TS]

  the multitasking gesture last year we [TS]

  talked about how I had difficulty doing [TS]

  it from the home screen but how was as [TS]

  far as I can tell the same gesture is [TS]

  elsewhere and why I had difficulty doing [TS]

  it the home screen and at one point I [TS]

  rattled off a bunch of gestures that I [TS]

  had tried things that people had [TS]

  suggested and things that work elsewhere [TS]

  the implied but not stated part of that [TS]

  conversation was that all the things I [TS]

  was describing I was doing instead of [TS]

  the one where you you drag up and then [TS]

  pause for a little bit and then you know [TS]

  like like basically what I think of as [TS]

  the sort of standard one I think it's [TS]

  the one they demoed in the keynote where [TS]

  you know pull up from the bottom but [TS]

  don't take your finger off the screen [TS]

  and then wait a little bit and then the [TS]

  multitasking thing comes and and the [TS]

  reason that was my implied context is [TS]

  because I hate pauses I hate you know [TS]

  tap and hold I hate anything where I [TS]

  have to do something for a set amount of [TS]

  time and there's no way I can speed it [TS]

  up that's why I was interested in the [TS]

  you know j-turn 45-degree angle swipe [TS]

  all sorts of other little things [TS]

  so everybody who wrote in to tell us why [TS]

  are you doing all these strange gestures [TS]

  just pull up from the bottom and then [TS]

  wait a second and it will come up I [TS]

  definitely knew that I don't want to [TS]

  wait the second category of people are [TS]

  saying you actually don't have to wait [TS]

  if you pull up a precise amount from the [TS]

  bottom and immediately remove your [TS]

  finger from the screen it will bring up [TS]

  the multitasking gesture and I guess [TS]

  that gets rid of the weight but I find [TS]

  it more difficult to exactly get that [TS]

  distance right than I do to do one of [TS]

  the j-turn or a 45-degree angle x-ray [TS]

  over so anyway so it wasn't clear and [TS]

  you didn't know you can pull up from the [TS]

  bottom [TS]

  pause her on with your finger on the [TS]

  screen and the multitasking thing will [TS]

  come up and that is probably easier to [TS]

  pull off than any of the gestures that I [TS]

  was describing and what you don't have [TS]

  to do that but you do have to wait and I [TS]

  don't like waiting I had no idea it's [TS]

  like you grew up in the New York area we [TS]

  got a little bit of feedback about the [TS]

  refund request for Apple Care Plus I [TS]

  could have sworn I had put this in the [TS]

  show notes but I was wrong for that for [TS]

  the past episode so will be in the show [TS]

  notes for this episode and John him was [TS]

  the [TS]

  first person I saw to write in with a [TS]

  link to K base article hello Stephen [TS]

  Hackett we're in its entitled how to [TS]

  request a refund for an Apple care plan [TS]

  blah blah blah there are a few important [TS]

  things to keep in mind when you cancel [TS]

  in return now care coverage plan if your [TS]

  if you can't see your plan within 30 [TS]

  days your purchase date you'll get a [TS]

  full refund minus the value of any [TS]

  service already performed if you cancel [TS]

  your Apple care plan more than 30 days [TS]

  after purchase we'll get a refund based [TS]

  on the percentage of unexpired Apple [TS]

  care coverage minus the value of any [TS]

  service already provided and so it's the [TS]

  thing which I didn't know and we even [TS]

  heard a couple people say that they told [TS]

  geniuses or perhaps on geniuses and [TS]

  perhaps it was salespeople one way or [TS]

  they're not one way or another told [TS]

  Apple retail employees that this was the [TS]

  thing and they didn't even know it was [TS]

  the thing as it turns out so yeah it's a [TS]

  thing we'll put a link in the show notes [TS]

  alright who is it that put this weird [TS]

  Kickstarter that I'd never heard about [TS]

  before in the show notes it was me it's [TS]

  always me last week about the advantages [TS]

  of face idea for touch ID especially if [TS]

  you're of things wrong with the tips of [TS]

  your fingers or they're dirty you're [TS]

  scratched up stuff like that and also if [TS]

  you're wearing gloves and I mentioned [TS]

  that they had gloves that will let you [TS]

  use your touch screen but those gloves [TS]

  don't let you activate touch ID well [TS]

  someone sent me it's linked to a [TS]

  Kickstarter for gloves that let you [TS]

  touch your screen you know with with [TS]

  gloves on like they work with a [TS]

  touchscreen but also they provide not [TS]

  your finger prints through the gloves [TS]

  like I was suggesting last show like [TS]

  there are no gloves it's magically [TS]

  surface your finger prints but instead [TS]

  give you a bunch of stickers with [TS]

  ostensibly unique fingerprints on every [TS]

  single sticker they work with touch ID [TS]

  so what you do is you'd put on these [TS]

  gloves or put on these little stickers [TS]

  on your gloves right and each one is [TS]

  unique like every single person who gets [TS]

  one I guess yeah unique fingerprint [TS]

  thing train it on your gloved [TS]

  fingerprint thingy and then you can [TS]

  unlock your phone and use it with that [TS]

  glove of course what that means is that [TS]

  if someone's unlock your phone they just [TS]

  need to steer your glove instead of [TS]

  cutting off your finger [TS]

  lifting your prints off a glass of water [TS]

  or whatever mission impossible type [TS]

  thing they're gonna do but anyway it's a [TS]

  Kickstarter all the normal caveat set by [TS]

  Kickstarter but [TS]

  you know this someone's always got an [TS]

  interesting idea and here's another one [TS]

  unique fingerprint stickers I had no [TS]

  idea this was the thing well it's a [TS]

  Kickstarter so is it a thing a few [TS]

  shades there well played uh yeah yeah [TS]

  alright so apparently we have some [TS]

  things to talk about with regard to [TS]

  iCloud restores during iPhone 10 setup I [TS]

  spoke too soon last week we all spoke [TS]

  well maybe you didn't but I did about [TS]

  like oh I cloud restored during setup [TS]

  it's much faster now everything works [TS]

  great that was all true up until the [TS]

  point where my wife's phone wanted to [TS]

  update to whatever I think it's like the [TS]

  the iOS update that gets rid of the [TS]

  weird funny character thing you tried to [TS]

  have capital I whatever whatever update [TS]

  that was and she normally updates her [TS]

  phone and eventually tried to do the [TS]

  update and it said something to the [TS]

  effect of oh yeah no this this OS update [TS]

  will run as soon as your iCloud restore [TS]

  finishes and it said that for about two [TS]

  weeks now and that's bad Oh lovely and [TS]

  whatever questions to me it was like can [TS]

  I just cancel this iCloud restore and [TS]

  it's like oh no like it's another one of [TS]

  those iCloud things where reboot your [TS]

  phone as far as I'm aware the iCloud [TS]

  restore finished the day we set up your [TS]

  phone like all the apps are there what [TS]

  what remains to be done I don't know [TS]

  it's not like I have some view into the [TS]

  system that tells me what the iCloud [TS]

  restore process is doing so I find this [TS]

  mildly upsetting and I don't as yet have [TS]

  a solution I assume what I'm just gonna [TS]

  do is Google the error message because [TS]

  that's the level of debugging we're at [TS]

  in the iOS world these days especially [TS]

  as it relates to iCloud things so you [TS]

  can find how many other people have this [TS]

  problem but in the end yeah it's like [TS]

  reboot the phone step zero and see if [TS]

  that magically changes something we got [TS]

  some bad news from Apple and I'm quoting [TS]

  now we can't wait for people to [TS]

  experience home pod apples break through [TS]

  wireless speaker for the home but we [TS]

  need a little more time before it's [TS]

  ready for our customers we'll start [TS]

  shipping in the US UK and Australia in [TS]

  early 2018 this was not given directly [TS]

  to ATP but it was given to a couple of [TS]

  news sites or bloggers or what-have-you [TS]

  the home pot is indeed delayed so I [TS]

  guess next week or perhaps later this [TS]

  week we'll hear the same for the iMac [TS]

  Pro because what we're both promised [TS]

  this year is that right yeah but my pro [TS]

  is gonna make it is it because like five [TS]

  people will buy them and it doesn't [TS]

  really matter and it will probably make [TS]

  it I mean technically the 2013 Mac Pro [TS]

  was available in December 2013 but if [TS]

  you actually wanted to try to order one [TS]

  you weren't gonna get until February [TS]

  so the iMac Pro might follow a similar [TS]

  path I I don't really know if anything [TS]

  in particular is holding up yeah my pro [TS]

  they have their reasons but I'm sure [TS]

  they have nothing to do with whatever's [TS]

  holding back the home pod the home pod [TS]

  seems like it's just very like it seemed [TS]

  like it was in such an early state when [TS]

  they announced it last June that it's [TS]

  slipping a few months now is not that [TS]

  big of a surprise and it's all new you [TS]

  know all new hardware more importantly [TS]

  probably all new software relying on [TS]

  they're fairly shaky service back-end [TS]

  for Siri so lots of possible things [TS]

  could have gone wrong here or could have [TS]

  missed deadlines here to make that get [TS]

  delayed by a few months so this is not [TS]

  at all a surprise and and I hope you [TS]

  know from what we've seen from the home [TS]

  pod so far which is admittedly very very [TS]

  little it sure doesn't seem like it's [TS]

  that competitive with the other products [TS]

  in that market so maybe they're making a [TS]

  little bit better that that's kind of my [TS]

  hope here is like maybe this will be a [TS]

  little bit more competitive against the [TS]

  echo line of products especially and [TS]

  then also against things like Sonos and [TS]

  Google whatever yeah maybe it will be [TS]

  done is more like what I think this is [TS]

  getting they showed the hardware but [TS]

  they had so little of the software done [TS]

  that all they would let people do with [TS]

  it is play music but this is ostensibly [TS]

  something you can talk to and they were [TS]

  demonstrating none of that which makes [TS]

  me think that the hardware is was at [TS]

  that time much farther along than the [TS]

  software and software is much harder to [TS]

  predict when it will be done and I feel [TS]

  like it's not done and that's why it's [TS]

  delayed and as I said on upgrade today [TS]

  with Jason when they announced that the [TS]

  home pod would be yeah [TS]

  really send me I'm a crow for that [TS]

  matter in December it like they announce [TS]

  that it's so in September when they had [TS]

  the iPhone offenders that was it in June [TS]

  I heard June when everyone's went anyway [TS]

  when they announced the announced [TS]

  December then right yeah in June during [TS]

  the WC keynote is the only time you've [TS]

  ever heard about the home pod and then [TS]

  they said December yes oh wow [TS]

  anyway right soon as soon as they [TS]

  announce December they pre announced [TS]

  that they would not make the holiday [TS]

  season right so now when they're [TS]

  delaying it until you know early 2018 is [TS]

  not as if suddenly they're missing the [TS]

  holiday season they already pre [TS]

  announced they were missing the holiday [TS]

  season this is not a new change all they [TS]

  have done is crusted over the year [TS]

  boundary and it's probably because you [TS]

  know I think we can make it by the end [TS]

  of year that's our stretch goal team and [TS]

  they didn't make it so it gets pushed [TS]

  out right but but the nice PR side [TS]

  effect is if they had announced home pod [TS]

  and said this isn't coming till 2018 [TS]

  there would be all these groans because [TS]

  you cross the year boundary but if you [TS]

  say December 31st like oh but you know [TS]

  it'll be here in 2017 and that's a [TS]

  better PR story and then as December [TS]

  approaches and it becomes clear that [TS]

  you're not gonna do that and people just [TS]

  want to go home and get their vacations [TS]

  then they can ounce that had too late so [TS]

  I think they were shooting for the end [TS]

  of the year and they just didn't make it [TS]

  and that's fine don't release a product [TS]

  that's not done at no point was this [TS]

  going to be a holiday purchase and it's [TS]

  still not a holiday purchase so it'll be [TS]

  fine so one possibly worrying thing [TS]

  about this is that nobody seems that sad [TS]

  about this is that a concern well what [TS]

  are you gonna be sad about I want that [TS]

  amazing demo that they show they didn't [TS]

  show demo they showed of playing music [TS]

  and it sounded good [TS]

  like they we don't even know what to [TS]

  expect other than it will play your [TS]

  music and some people said it plays [TS]

  music nicely and sounds good right there [TS]

  is no wow factor to this especially with [TS]

  the Sonos announcements right if you [TS]

  want a speaker that sounds good that you [TS]

  can talk to Sonos tells you that and [TS]

  this is just like oh it sounds good and [TS]

  you could talk to it and you can talk to [TS]

  it and make a play it make it play Apple [TS]

  music whereas on this will play Apple [TS]

  music but not when you talk to it right [TS]

  now like yeah this this is Apple trying [TS]

  to enter a market that it's currently [TS]

  not in but if they have something [TS]

  special [TS]

  to to show this market here's Apple's [TS]

  entry and this is the special Apple [TS]

  magic they haven't shown that yet so [TS]

  what is there to really get excited [TS]

  about I don't know all I know is I feel [TS]

  less and less confident in Siri as time [TS]

  goes on and there was actually a really [TS]

  really tremendous crossover between [TS]

  welcome to Macintosh and 20,000 Hertz [TS]

  both of which are phenomenal podcasts [TS]

  that you should be listening to and I [TS]

  think it was Mark Graham Hill of welcome [TS]

  to McIntosh had said he was of the [TS]

  opinion that as Siri sounds more in more [TS]

  in more lifelike and less robotic we as [TS]

  human beings and I think I certainly [TS]

  fall into this are less and less and [TS]

  less tolerant of it being anything but [TS]

  perfect because the voice is getting [TS]

  eerily close to to maybe not perfect but [TS]

  really good and so you expect the best [TS]

  out of this and man III don't know if [TS]

  it's me or what I just feel like serious [TS]

  been garbage the last few months but you [TS]

  know what isn't frustrating kids me [TS]

  being vindicated in a boy am i [TS]

  vindicated we have some follow-up about [TS]

  the great dust-up of November 2017 the [TS]

  chili cook-off the chili cook-off if you [TS]

  recall I had put an ask ATP question [TS]

  into the show notes that John had tried [TS]

  to move out of the episode and then [TS]

  obnoxiously I'd pretty much forced all [TS]

  of us to drag it back in and we quickly [TS]

  discovered that John had built himself a [TS]

  beautiful mind style conspiracy theory [TS]

  as to what the actual intention of this [TS]

  questions author was during the [TS]

  recording of that episode I tweeted at [TS]

  the author whose name is Jonathan [TS]

  bowling I said to him was this an honest [TS]

  question or were you making an in-joke [TS]

  about Jon Merlyn etc to which he replied [TS]

  at the time on his question but I was [TS]

  betting something pretty funny might [TS]

  happen in the answers and I believe we [TS]

  brought all this up during the show and [TS]

  John said see it's he's thought [TS]

  something funny would happen he's [TS]

  setting his heart go cut that part out [TS]

  of the episode did he fly yes wait did I [TS]

  yeah that's why I put it back in this [TS]

  one because it was like in the after [TS]

  half [TS]

  after after show this response did come [TS]

  in and so it's honest question but I was [TS]

  betting something pretty funny might [TS]

  happen and my reading of that question [TS]

  was but I was betting something pretty [TS]

  funny might happen and Casey's reading [TS]

  is there but anyway go ahead so we got [TS]

  an email from Jonathan I will not read [TS]

  all of it but I will read some of it [TS]

  episode 248 chili cook-off turned out to [TS]

  be more fun than I could have imagined [TS]

  I was just hoping that you would include [TS]

  my question so I had no idea that it [TS]

  would cause him any siracusa rant TM [TS]

  that would backfire and make the [TS]

  question stay in the show Thank You [TS]

  Casey for defending my good intentions [TS]

  I've been a big fan of hypercritical [TS]

  build and analyze in a teepee longtime [TS]

  listener first-time quote close to the [TS]

  medal or quote John suspicions were [TS]

  unfounded [TS]

  I do enjoy reconcilable differences [TS]

  which by the way is a tremendous program [TS]

  which he should listen to but I didn't [TS]

  have anything from reqtest in mind when [TS]

  I asked the question I'd be curious to [TS]

  know which episode or episodes he [TS]

  thought I was referencing Casey I look [TS]

  forward to hearing you point out to John [TS]

  that he was wrong in the next episodes [TS]

  follow-up copy right John Syracuse of [TS]

  2011 I should note that's in the email I [TS]

  also look forward to his continued good [TS]

  humoured suspicions with a winking emoji [TS]

  John would you like to try to defend [TS]

  yourself at this time well there's not [TS]

  really much to defend here because well [TS]

  first of all I would say that my hope [TS]

  after last week's episode was that you - [TS]

  based on the feedback from everyone else [TS]

  would come to a better understanding [TS]

  what my objection was because if you [TS]

  recall I'm more confused than ever maybe [TS]

  I can help you I'm saying what my hope [TS]

  was if you recall the idea was there was [TS]

  this question in there I moved it down I [TS]

  said I don't like this question in case [TS]

  he asked me and then he asked me on the [TS]

  show why don't you like this question [TS]

  and I explained why I don't like this [TS]

  question and Casey said that my reasons [TS]

  were dumb please tell me why don't you [TS]

  like this question I feel like I tried [TS]

  my best to explain why I don't like the [TS]

  question there's no being right or wrong [TS]

  about why I don't like the question but [TS]

  obviously you two have not come to a [TS]

  deeper understanding why I didn't like [TS]

  the question and I don't know why this [TS]

  example didn't occur to me but I think I [TS]

  have a better example to hopefully bring [TS]

  you to that understanding [TS]

  if someone had written into the show ask [TS]

  ATP say should I buy a white car [TS]

  if Casey said I don't like that question [TS]

  I would understand why he doesn't like [TS]

  that question that's it okay right I [TS]

  wouldn't understand now imagine that [TS]

  person had never heard the show before [TS]

  except like friends said that we talked [TS]

  about car sometime and was legitimately [TS]

  thinking about buying a white car and [TS]

  you know they talk about cars all the [TS]

  time and maybe in the F she'll talk [TS]

  about white cars maybe I'll just ask [TS]

  them should I buy my car because you [TS]

  know they're hard to keep clean and so [TS]

  on and so forth right still still if you [TS]

  said that like that question I would say [TS]

  I understand well you don't like that [TS]

  question right and if that person wrote [TS]

  and said I don't know what this thing [TS]

  you're talking about the white cars they [TS]

  just for you I heard you guys talk about [TS]

  cars sometimes something gonna get in [TS]

  one and white is hard to clean the stuff [TS]

  set for you you have an opinion even if [TS]

  there were 100 percent honest I would [TS]

  still understand why you don't like that [TS]

  question and it wouldn't say it was [TS]

  Syria now imagine further still that [TS]

  Marco and I said Casey I don't know what [TS]

  you're talking about this person is just [TS]

  asking about white cars I have no idea [TS]

  because this was like seven years in the [TS]

  future and we didn't remember this white [TS]

  car gag oh I assure you I will never be [TS]

  allowed to forget the white car gag but [TS]

  I'm with you to principle I'm with you [TS]

  this is the situation I find myself in [TS]

  because believe me [TS]

  the closer the metal thing was as real [TS]

  as the white car as evidenced by all the [TS]

  people who wrote in to say that person [TS]

  is 100% trolling and John is right I [TS]

  mean they don't know what's in this [TS]

  person's heart any more than I do right [TS]

  but that it is legitimately a thing as [TS]

  much a thing as white cars bar and you [TS]

  two have no recollection of it and this [TS]

  person claims to have no recollection I [TS]

  would despite listening all the way back [TS]

  to hypercritical which is where this is [TS]

  from not reconcilable differences anyway [TS]

  all this is to say I hope you now [TS]

  understand where I was coming from and I [TS]

  hope you can use the white car example [TS]

  as instructive to say maybe you wouldn't [TS]

  mind that question maybe you a bomb [TS]

  saying as if you said you didn't like it [TS]

  I would understand why and I think Marco [TS]

  would too because we both have the [TS]

  shared context without the shared [TS]

  context would you seem like a conspiracy [TS]

  theory person what is this about white [TS]

  cars what are you even talking about [TS]

  imagine how frustrating it would be for [TS]

  you to explain to me and Marco what the [TS]

  deal with the white car thing [TS]

  I do think okay I am laughing but I do [TS]

  think I understand your point better [TS]

  I think the difference for me and we can [TS]

  move on but the difference for me is [TS]

  that I it the white car thing is is for [TS]

  better or worse like the defining gag [TS]

  about me it's it's that and who the [TS]

  hell's your suppose you'd only have one [TS]

  Casey well - but I'm with ya again I'm [TS]

  with you what's the second one water on [TS]

  the computer no well okay three I said [TS]

  who the hell is Casey in the computer [TS]

  yeah in the computer if I say I'd [TS]

  forgotten about that one you've got to [TS]

  explain that context and I would say [TS]

  you're crazy everyone knows who you are [TS]

  fine [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  who the hell is Casey but my point is [TS]

  just that there there are a handful of [TS]

  things that I feel like all of us upon [TS]

  hearing them would say yes of course [TS]

  who the hell is Casey I remember and [TS]

  this one to my eyes anyway was way more [TS]

  esoteric in in Wayne it's an older I [TS]

  mean it's older like it was we traced it [TS]

  back it was like episode 50 of [TS]

  hypercritical that's like six years ago [TS]

  so you know me I guess you can forgive [TS]

  infer Cleaver getting about it I was [TS]

  just very surprised that neither one of [TS]

  you could even vaguely remember that it [TS]

  was a thing and we're just starting from [TS]

  whole cloth as if I was just making this [TS]

  up I assure you I am NOT no I never [TS]

  really thought you were making it up it [TS]

  just seemed it seemed kind of bananas to [TS]

  me that you were so unequivocally [TS]

  convinced that this was that this was [TS]

  trolling I thought you would remember I [TS]

  thought I mean obviously it's not as [TS]

  recent as a white car but I thought one [TS]

  or both of you would certainly remember [TS]

  it and either way by the way I will [TS]

  point out like at the end of this thing [TS]

  I also look forward to John's you know [TS]

  continued good-humoured suspicions I [TS]

  mean obviously if someone was trolling [TS]

  the trolley thing to do is not to tell [TS]

  you they're trolling people on the [TS]

  internet like it's it's really easy to [TS]

  type words into a text box but I'm I'm [TS]

  sure this person is being honest and [TS]

  like you too has just completely [TS]

  forgotten about this from labor critical [TS]

  days cuz that was a long time ago [TS]

  although to be honest so when did we [TS]

  record neutral that would that started [TS]

  in January of 13 is that right I think [TS]

  that's right yeah that's better so that [TS]

  was almost five years ago in [TS]

  hypercritical was six or seven years ago [TS]

  so I mean the white car thing is far [TS]

  closer to hypercritical than it is to us [TS]

  today you know what I mean like that's [TS]

  which is weird right because I feel like [TS]

  that was yesterday in so many ways but [TS]

  anyway it was I was I was very punchy [TS]

  when we recorded but I was never like [TS]

  genuinely upsetting you I just thought [TS]

  you were being utterly preposterous I [TS]

  wasn't that's what I'm getting at but [TS]

  just because you don't have the context [TS]

  doesn't mean there isn't a context and [TS]

  it's and it's completely irrelevant [TS]

  whether he was being honest or not [TS]

  that's why I was trying to get with the [TS]

  white car think is legit someone could [TS]

  listen to the show that's a that's a [TS]

  real question the people asked should I [TS]

  get a white car I've had that question [TS]

  asked to me before I even came in the [TS]

  show but it would be a hell of a [TS]

  coincidence if they asked that on s KDP [TS]

  wouldn't it why would any [TS]

  you ask if they want to get a white card [TS]

  on yeah exactly why would that matter [TS]

  but why would they ask at ATP maybe this [TS]

  just of legitimist quite honest question [TS]

  but I would understand if Casey if Casey [TS]

  gave it a little bit of side-eye and [TS]

  maybe said maybe I'm not I mean it seems [TS]

  to me that white car has just happened [TS]

  to Casey he never has to actually have [TS]

  you exactly you've owned like 17 white [TS]

  cars have you ever had to ask anybody if [TS]

  you should get a white car or not no [TS]

  I've never asked anyone if I should it [TS]

  doesn't seem like he had a choice right [TS]

  yeah one of them one of them was a [TS]

  choice I guess fall from from this guy [TS]

  into your driveway and then their [TS]

  engines break [TS]

  can you just dubbing like the first 15 [TS]

  minutes of the first neutral where we [TS]

  discussed this one of them was [TS]

  absolutely unequivocally my choice I [TS]

  specifically requested white for one [TS]

  every other one happened to me I'm [TS]

  sticking with and for the record I'm [TS]

  pretty sure Marcos are the only one he [TS]

  obviously originated the white car thing [TS]

  and I think he's the only one who really [TS]

  cares my first car was a white car too [TS]

  and I think all I said under trouble is [TS]

  that if you have a really nicely shaped [TS]

  car then you can get it in a white but [TS]

  in your car isn't ugly don't get in a [TS]

  white because it highlights how badly [TS]

  shaped it is but beyond that I have no [TS]

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  speaking of ask ATP let's just mosey [TS]

  right on in Shane booze lo writes do you [TS]

  think using chi chargers everywhere and [TS]

  topping off the iPhones batteries all [TS]

  the time will impact battery health I [TS]

  have no idea but I've had the same [TS]

  question so I think this is probably [TS]

  similar to lots of different like [TS]

  battery health questions and theories [TS]

  and best practices that we've heard over [TS]

  the years with computers there is [TS]

  probably some truth to the fact that [TS]

  charging lithium batteries all the time [TS]

  you know does actually shorten their [TS]

  lifespan if they're if they're not kept [TS]

  within their ideal long-term charging [TS]

  health range which is usually not fully [TS]

  charged usually it's closer to like [TS]

  middle of the battery charge like if you [TS]

  want it looking better to last as long [TS]

  as possible keep the source level [TS]

  somewhere near the middle or something [TS]

  some kind of range near the middle and [TS]

  that tends to keep them lasting longer [TS]

  the reason I added this and what I [TS]

  thought was kind of worth talking about [TS]

  is like I feel like with with your phone [TS]

  that you're using every day that you are [TS]

  charging every night then you are using [TS]

  it throughout the day you know you're [TS]

  putting like a good part of a full cycle [TS]

  on the battery every day sometimes more [TS]

  if you use it heavily I feel like your [TS]

  battery is not going to be very useful [TS]

  for more than about two years maybe [TS]

  three years if you if you're more gentle [TS]

  on it but like no matter what you do [TS]

  this is really hard on a battery to be [TS]

  used to be basically cycled a full side [TS]

  meaning like you know full charge to [TS]

  nearly empty to have to be going through [TS]

  flows like almost every day you're gonna [TS]

  wear out that battery pretty much no [TS]

  matter what you do and so the [TS]

  alternative which is you know topping it [TS]

  off on these little charges all over [TS]

  your house and car and workplace all the [TS]

  time I don't think that's that much [TS]

  worse you know it might actually be [TS]

  better even like what's worse for a [TS]

  lithium-ion battery [TS]

  keeping it at a full charge for a day or [TS]

  going through a full cycle I don't know [TS]

  but it's probably not gonna be that [TS]

  different either way you're using it [TS]

  heavily you know like if you have a [TS]

  laptop and you use it on battery for its [TS]

  full range every day that's going to do [TS]

  the same thing at the laptop if you keep [TS]

  it plugged in all the time that's gonna [TS]

  be better for it but you know again like [TS]

  maybe not that much better because of [TS]

  the full charge being bad thing so I [TS]

  think the answer here is keeping them [TS]

  uncharged all the time will probably [TS]

  impact battery health but the [TS]

  alternative would probably impact it [TS]

  more and in the grand scheme of things [TS]

  your phone battery no matter what you do [TS]

  is gonna be is gonna have a not that [TS]

  useful amount of charge after two or [TS]

  three years no matter what you do there [TS]

  are other factors here as well that make [TS]

  it I don't know what the answer is just [TS]

  muddies the water even more of whether [TS]

  this is better worse or the same but to [TS]

  start like I bet people are not going to [TS]

  buy such a tremendous number of t [TS]

  chargers that they are now charging [TS]

  their phone appreciably more than they [TS]

  used to if only because T chargers [TS]

  charge your phone so much more slowly [TS]

  and one of the things that shortens [TS]

  battery life is really fast charging so [TS]

  if you have a big iPad charger the at [TS]

  your desk that you plug your thing into [TS]

  to get as much juice as possible when [TS]

  you're at your desk versus putting in on [TS]

  a Qi charger the charger is much more [TS]

  slowly the slower one is going to be [TS]

  kinder on your battery and if you but it [TS]

  won't charge as much obviously in the [TS]

  same amount of time but if you have a [TS]

  bunch of key charges around in the house [TS]

  what you're instead doing instead of [TS]

  charging very quickly in one location [TS]

  you're charging more slowly in multiple [TS]

  locations which again I think is better [TS]

  for the battery so there's you know [TS]

  you'd really need to come up with an [TS]

  exact regime of where you're going to be [TS]

  and what you're going to charge to [TS]

  compare exactly this pattern of use to [TS]

  exactly this pattern of use but in [TS]

  general I would say don't worry about [TS]

  this don't don't worry about the battery [TS]

  life being affected because there are [TS]

  just so many variables and [TS]

  depending on how they're each weighted [TS]

  in this giant equation you could get [TS]

  better worse of the same battery life [TS]

  but like Marco said either way if you [TS]

  chart if you use your phone the same [TS]

  amount every day that's in the end [TS]

  you're using your phone that amount it's [TS]

  got two or three years of that many [TS]

  cycles even if you don't psyche although [TS]

  by two or three years or just that much [TS]

  putting energy into the battery and [TS]

  taking energy out even if you could [TS]

  always do it in the fat part of the [TS]

  curve where it's all good [TS]

  your battery's gonna be a lot worse than [TS]

  it was when you bought it and you're [TS]

  probably gonna want a new phone and [TS]

  that's just the way things are indeed [TS]

  all right JT you would like to know what [TS]

  are your thoughts and feelings on Apple [TS]

  TV remote redesigned for air power into [TS]

  fix other issues you know a lot of [TS]

  people have been writing in about what [TS]

  about this for air power our air power [TS]

  what about that for air power I don't [TS]

  get it like I think I said this last [TS]

  episode but I will be very surprised if [TS]

  anything else gets air power support [TS]

  except maybe the pencil anytime soon I [TS]

  don't think this is going to be like the [TS]

  catch-all you know cover your all of [TS]

  your desks and all of your you know uh [TS]

  kitchen counters and air power sort of [TS]

  thing I think this is only going to be [TS]

  for iOS devices and you know the air [TS]

  pods and and and I guess watch OS is [TS]

  strictly speaking different OS but you [TS]

  know what I mean like I don't think it's [TS]

  gonna be keyboard and mouse and Apple TV [TS]

  remote in any of those send MacBook in [TS]

  MacBook yeah exactly and especially like [TS]

  the Apple TV remote I've charged that [TS]

  thing probably four times or feels like [TS]

  I've charged it four times in the year [TS]

  I've had it I mean that may not be [TS]

  accurate but it just at my point is just [TS]

  it almost never needs a charge same with [TS]

  my keyboards and my mice mouse's nieces [TS]

  they almost never need a charge so what [TS]

  are you really solving if it's at worst [TS]

  a you know momentary inconvenience if [TS]

  you know once a quarter or something [TS]

  like that but I don't know what do you [TS]

  think Marco I pretty much the same I [TS]

  mean I I have not you know we use our [TS]

  Apple TV almost every day at least we [TS]

  did before he got stuck in stardew [TS]

  valley and yeah I think I've charged it [TS]

  yeah maybe maybe three times you know [TS]

  it's it's not a high drain device so the [TS]

  need to make charging especially [TS]

  convenient is is not that high [TS]

  also that tends to be a different place [TS]

  in your house or your office or you [TS]

  might have when your office and you tend [TS]

  not to travel with it so like if if the [TS]

  benefit of an air power mat is like the [TS]

  thing that you stick on your nightstand [TS]

  table that you put all your stuff on at [TS]

  night well you're probably not going to [TS]

  have your Apple TV remote you know in [TS]

  your in your bedroom if you if your [TS]

  Apple TV is not there [TS]

  similarly you know if the appeal of this [TS]

  thing ends up being those really [TS]

  convenient while traveling you're [TS]

  probably not going to travel with your [TS]

  Apple TV remote either and if you do you [TS]

  probably won't need to charge it on the [TS]

  trip so you know it's it's a nice theory [TS]

  but I don't think it matters that much [TS]

  the Apple TV remote has so many other [TS]

  problems that they refuse to address so [TS]

  if they aren't even gonna bother making [TS]

  it usable while it's charged I don't [TS]

  think they're gonna care that much that [TS]

  it's slightly inconvenient to charge it [TS]

  when you do it you know every six months [TS]

  I frequently forget that the Apple TV [TS]

  remote has a battery and it's not like [TS]

  there's a battery door and it like I'm [TS]

  not sure if I have ever charged my [TS]

  applet I think I replaced my Apple TV [TS]

  before I charge the battery on it it [TS]

  lasts or I don't use as much as mark [TS]

  obviously it lasts a really really long [TS]

  time although I have a too quick Apple [TS]

  TV remote stories the last time I lost [TS]

  it I'm always losing the Apple TV remote [TS]

  because it's skinny and it goes down [TS]

  couch cushions stuff like that you know [TS]

  my kids use it and so it's not like who [TS]

  knows but like they carry it into the [TS]

  kitchen they you know they it's in the [TS]

  bathroom who knows where they're taking [TS]

  this road it's just everywhere right and [TS]

  there's no as far as I'm aware please [TS]

  tell me if I'm wrong there's no like [TS]

  fine your remote function where you can [TS]

  make it make a beeping sound I would [TS]

  love that that they that hence the [TS]

  feature they should add but anyway I [TS]

  lost my remote and I thought like this [TS]

  is it I've well and truly lost it I know [TS]

  I was thinking like boy I'm glad they [TS]

  reduced the price to $60 down from 80 [TS]

  because I'm gonna have to buy another [TS]

  remote and even though you got the [TS]

  remote on your iOS device where you can [TS]

  use that instead of the thing as far as [TS]

  I'm aware you can't can you wake your [TS]

  thing from sleep with that I don't know [TS]

  and I didn't try it but I was like well [TS]

  I'd like do I think I can't use my Apple [TS]

  TV until I get a replacing remote [TS]

  because I don't think you can wake the [TS]

  little black cube from sleep without the [TS]

  real remote yeah you can if you gotta [TS]

  airplay to it I believe it'll wake [TS]

  itself up [TS]

  yeah that's good yeah I was thinking [TS]

  like I would guess the RemoteApp would [TS]

  let you do it but I can't I haven't [TS]

  tried it so I don't know one way or the [TS]

  other but I can tell you I'll L airplay [TS]

  to it from time to time and that will [TS]

  wake it up right anyway [TS]

  I was halfway through that thought when [TS]

  I looked up at my little black thing and [TS]

  the little white light was on so like [TS]

  you know I don't have to wake it up it's [TS]

  already awake and I'm like but how can [TS]

  it already be awake I've been looking [TS]

  for this road for 15 minutes and I know [TS]

  it goes to sleep like no one has been in [TS]

  his room for a while and based on that [TS]

  information I realized I must be sitting [TS]

  on the remote somehow and that's what's [TS]

  waking up and sure enough I took yet [TS]

  another run at the couch cushions and [TS]

  the little things that are between them [TS]

  it's like a sleeper sofa or whatever and [TS]

  eventually I found the remote somewhere [TS]

  underneath my butt where I was squishing [TS]

  it and turning it on the second story is [TS]

  about someone had realized there was a [TS]

  bunch of iTunes purchases going through [TS]

  where they'd purchased like every [TS]

  episode of Seinfeld and a bunch of TV [TS]

  series [TS]

  I'm a or you know it was like a husband [TS]

  and wife and they were asking each other [TS]

  did you buy these did you buy these [TS]

  things turns out it was the cat the cat [TS]

  would lay on top of the remote and buy [TS]

  things for them on the turned off [TS]

  television through their Apple TV remote [TS]

  so I don't know if that makes us a [TS]

  better motor a good remote it's bad [TS]

  because it's lost easily it's probably [TS]

  bad because the cat can buy things but [TS]

  maybe not like cats are very devious all [TS]

  right [TS]

  and Kent eken Gore writes how can a [TS]

  polemic ated things with software like [TS]

  face detection and they are yet still [TS]

  get so many simple things consistently [TS]

  wrong like 1 plus 1 or 1 plus 2 plus 3 [TS]

  on the iowa's calculator and UI bugs [TS]

  related to device orientation such as [TS]

  the attached we'll put a link in the [TS]

  show notes and it's a picture of what [TS]

  appears to be the phone or iPad I think [TS]

  phone in portrait mode yet [TS]

  the volume indicator is shown in [TS]

  landscape whoops with regard to rotation [TS]

  I can say that rotations are pain in the [TS]

  bud yeah yep any eye any iOS developer [TS]

  will tell you that so that I give them a [TS]

  buy on although it does seem that there [TS]

  are a lot more rotation bugs in iOS 11 [TS]

  than there were before there's a lot [TS]

  more [TS]

  everything bugs every weapon in a while [TS]

  but yeah you're right I don't have a [TS]

  good answer for this I I guess in to [TS]

  some degree it's easy to get amazed by [TS]

  the new and shiny and and it's hard to [TS]

  it's hard to build software reliably and [TS]

  predictably that's why you know agile [TS]

  software development became a thing was [TS]

  it was an attempt to be better about [TS]

  building up be better about predicting [TS]

  when software would be complete right [TS]

  and in the whole shtick of it was that [TS]

  you wanted to be able to predict future [TS]

  the future based on your performance in [TS]

  the past rather than oh well I should be [TS]

  able to get that done in two weeks you [TS]

  can look at your past history and say no [TS]

  actually that'll take you a month and a [TS]

  half and you know it all of the stuff [TS]

  around enterprise level software [TS]

  development which I know Marco doesn't [TS]

  understand but John and I all it's hard [TS]

  it's hard work it's hard to figure out [TS]

  the balance between how much you know [TS]

  how many unit tests you should write in [TS]

  how many shouldn't and what your [TS]

  continuous integration story is like all [TS]

  of the stuff is hard and it's not to [TS]

  most people it's not very sexy and so [TS]

  what is sexy face detection what is sexy [TS]

  augmented reality what's not sexy [TS]

  Jenkins oh it's it's understandable if [TS]

  not necessarily excusable that this [TS]

  would be the case but I don't know John [TS]

  as my fellow boring old man when it [TS]

  comes to writing software how do you how [TS]

  do you describe this I'm not sure you [TS]

  need to bring software methodologies and [TS]

  software in general entry even if they [TS]

  weren't talking about software even if [TS]

  this was talking about like you notice [TS]

  that dudes car analogies that's the [TS]

  other thing we go to like how can they [TS]

  get this amazing you know engine new [TS]

  engine technology working but their [TS]

  climate controls suck and it's you know [TS]

  it's just human nature and priorities [TS]

  and with anything were you especially in [TS]

  a business like Apple's where you're [TS]

  it's not that it's a hit driven business [TS]

  but that you you're only as good as your [TS]

  last success things like the calculator [TS]

  the iOS calculator bug where like some [TS]

  animations in the calculator caused it [TS]

  to be less responsive right [TS]

  how many people are scrutinizing how [TS]

  good the calculator is from release to [TS]

  release it's not a head lighting feature [TS]

  there are not a lot of resources put [TS]

  towards the calculator when it was first [TS]

  made there was probably more than there [TS]

  are now [TS]

  but there is an inclination in companies [TS]

  that have to make money to say we'll put [TS]

  time and resources and people into this [TS]

  thing because it's the thing that we [TS]

  need and then when we're done with it [TS]

  we'll be like great we did that what's [TS]

  the next thing move on to the next thing [TS]

  right and take people off of that and [TS]

  say those people are working and you [TS]

  have to leave somebody there but this [TS]

  some poor maintenance engineer is [TS]

  responsible for the calculator and seven [TS]

  other like neglected iOS applications [TS]

  and you know people are human and you [TS]

  don't notice that maybe the animations [TS]

  you're adding are making the thing less [TS]

  responsive because like you know do you [TS]

  have a test where it's something some [TS]

  automated thing presses the buttons [TS]

  really fast to make sure you know it's [TS]

  just it's just less important it's lower [TS]

  priority there are fewer people on it [TS]

  and that's just the nature of the nature [TS]

  of humans the nature of work and the [TS]

  nature of a business so many many things [TS]

  are explicable by the boring answer that [TS]

  you know that that we did that and we [TS]

  can't afford to leave our very best [TS]

  engineers maintain the calculator for [TS]

  the rest of their careers because [TS]

  they're not going to like that they're [TS]

  going to leave the company and it [TS]

  wouldn't be efficient use of our [TS]

  resources so we get our best people [TS]

  working on the next hard problem and [TS]

  everything else gets less priority and [TS]

  because humans do humans sometimes those [TS]

  things mess up everything after that [TS]

  that's like the easy thing to explain [TS]

  everything after that like why is iOS [TS]

  love and have more bugs does it seem [TS]

  like it actually has more bugs is your [TS]

  perception different than their metrics [TS]

  are they measuring the wrong thing all [TS]

  the way down to software is hard and [TS]

  software methodologies and all that [TS]

  stuff so from the outside it might seem [TS]

  inexplicable but as Casey I think was [TS]

  trying to express software and any large [TS]

  enterprise including making a car or any [TS]

  sort of thing is much more complicated [TS]

  than you think it is as a consumer of [TS]

  that thing and complicated systems are [TS]

  hard to predict and hard to manage and [TS]

  you know that's it there's no you know [TS]

  it's not it's not the apples being mean [TS]

  or it's still people who don't know what [TS]

  they're doing [TS]

  nobody knows what they're doing there [TS]

  there are no adults there is no silver [TS]

  bullet [TS]

  yada yada Apple has for a very long time [TS]

  shown that they are not very good at [TS]

  multitasking and that whatever is the [TS]

  current hotness gets all the attention [TS]

  and whatever isn't gets either complete [TS]

  neglect or at best like drive-by updates [TS]

  O'Hare they like you know like like Disk [TS]

  Utility on Mac OS is like a great [TS]

  example of it where like you know the [TS]

  met the entire Mac is pretty neglected [TS]

  much of the time and when things do get [TS]

  updated on the Mac they tend to get [TS]

  updated in these drive-by fashions where [TS]

  like someone seems to be assigned like [TS]

  hey wait [TS]

  rewrite this whole thing this app that [TS]

  nobody would really need to be rewritten [TS]

  rewrite at all and then they're given [TS]

  enough time to rush together an almost [TS]

  complete version and then it ships and [TS]

  then it seems like no one's allowed to [TS]

  fix any bugs in it ever again or they're [TS]

  not on the project anymore or they don't [TS]

  have time or they're assigned to other [TS]

  things and have moved on and so things [TS]

  get updated or created from scratch on [TS]

  these low in these low priority areas [TS]

  and then whatever is released as like [TS]

  1.0 which was probably rushed to meet a [TS]

  very tight deadline those bugs basically [TS]

  stick around for a very long time or [TS]

  forever anything that is not the current [TS]

  hotness that tends to be the case of [TS]

  Apple as John said there are lots of [TS]

  good reasons for that involving money [TS]

  and priorities I think Apple standards [TS]

  should be higher you know Apple [TS]

  standards are higher than average in [TS]

  most other ways I think their standards [TS]

  for how to deal with they're not as [TS]

  quite high priority products should be [TS]

  also similarly high but they're not and [TS]

  that's not a new thing even you know [TS]

  even that that isn't even Tim Cook thing [TS]

  like even under Steve that was always [TS]

  the case we're like whatever was was not [TS]

  the current hotness got pretty badly [TS]

  neglected and there's also a secondary [TS]

  divide here where Apple's frameworks [TS]

  have almost always been really really [TS]

  good like in in the entire era of modern [TS]

  Apple I don't know what it was like [TS]

  before you know before I was tanner like [TS]

  in the entire era of modern Apple the [TS]

  frameworks have always been amazing [TS]

  you know things like you know the AR kit [TS]

  you know things like court makes core [TS]

  audio the foundation like all that stuff [TS]

  they make amazing frameworks and that [TS]

  stuff has been solid pretty much you [TS]

  know the vast majority of the time and [TS]

  very advanced the applications on that [TS]

  they that Apple ships at the OS and the [TS]

  built and the table on top of that on [TS]

  top of this frameworks have had a much [TS]

  spottier past and a much spotty record [TS]

  the applications definitely seem like a [TS]

  lower priority for them then that also [TS]

  seems like an area where in recent years [TS]

  applications have struggled way more [TS]

  than the foundation stuff so it might [TS]

  just be Apple is not has not figure out [TS]

  how to manage this well it certainly is [TS]

  certainly that that's what the results [TS]

  seem to indicate but it's like that for [TS]

  everybody like you there is no you can't [TS]

  just say oh let's keep all the best [TS]

  people working on the things that they [TS]

  originally create because they don't [TS]

  want doing that and now it's a retention [TS]

  issue like they don't want to work [TS]

  forever on this one thing they helped [TS]

  create they want to move on to the next [TS]

  thing because they're smart ambitious [TS]

  people and if you don't let them you [TS]

  know then you'll have a retention [TS]

  problem in if you even if you you know [TS]

  it's a hyper competitive world where [TS]

  everyone is scrutinizing what Apple does [TS]

  so closely that if they actually did [TS]

  leave significant sort of standing [TS]

  armies attached to everything they ever [TS]

  made to make sure the thing that [TS]

  everything they make is continuously [TS]

  improved and maintained [TS]

  that's an inefficient use of resources [TS]

  with like why are you spending all this [TS]

  money why are your margins going down oh [TS]

  we needed to leave a team of seven on [TS]

  the calculator forever and multiply that [TS]

  by every piece of software we ever make [TS]

  so I was in the calculator done what [TS]

  needs to be updated on it's like well if [TS]

  we just leave one person on it then [TS]

  there's a chance that that one person [TS]

  can make a silly mistake and make us [TS]

  look bad and so everything has to be [TS]

  higher quality so you know we'll leave [TS]

  this team of seven on calculator in it [TS]

  and no matter what team of seven guy [TS]

  said they won't want to do it and like a [TS]

  lot of these things you feel like [TS]

  they're a training program for less [TS]

  experienced people like before you get [TS]

  to be in the Big Show and you know work [TS]

  on a super important new feature in UI [TS]

  kit or work on a major new feature in [TS]

  the OS maybe you have to maintain disk [TS]

  utility for a few years and that's how [TS]

  you learn right like there's no there's [TS]

  no easy solution [TS]

  people are not interchangeable cogs [TS]

  programming is a complicated endeavor [TS]

  and Apple doesn't actually have [TS]

  unlimited money and does actually have [TS]

  people scrutinizing every cent that it [TS]

  spends and at telling them that they [TS]

  should have margins that are higher than [TS]

  they do so you know I don't know there's [TS]

  you know it is a spectrum it's not as if [TS]

  a saying Oh a blow everything apples [TS]

  doing they're doing as well as they can [TS]

  they can and should adjust things right [TS]

  they can and should pay more attention [TS]

  to things that you know they shouldn't [TS]

  let as much slip as they do and they [TS]

  should be not be Pennywise pound-foolish [TS]

  where are we saved a couple bucks here [TS]

  by moving some people around what is [TS]

  what are the potential downsides for the [TS]

  image of the company all the way up to [TS]

  what are the potential downsides if we [TS]

  invest a lot in a feature and spend a [TS]

  lot of time and energy on it and it [TS]

  doesn't turn out that well how do we fix [TS]

  that or burn you know insert your [TS]

  favorite feature there whether it be the [TS]

  touch bar or the new keyboard [TS]

  reliability or any other thing whether [TS]

  they really did dedicate a lot of [TS]

  resources and doesn't turn out as well [TS]

  as they wanted like software's hard life [TS]

  is hard yeah but I think there's also a [TS]

  middle ground here like the the [TS]

  impression I I have gotten from reports [TS]

  from people within over the last many [TS]

  years this seems to always be a [TS]

  consistent story that we hear from [TS]

  people at Apple is that it's not like [TS]

  there were seven people on the [TS]

  calculator team and they reduced it down [TS]

  or they couldn't have those people [TS]

  forever or that it was done none of [TS]

  those things were true what was probably [TS]

  true is the calculator had zero people [TS]

  working on it for a very long time then [TS]

  when a new system design or style or [TS]

  marketing heavy feature was being added [TS]

  to iOS or new hardware somebody was [TS]

  somebody who was already very busy was [TS]

  tasked with update updating this app [TS]

  along with probably as you mentioned [TS]

  probably seven other apps to the new [TS]

  animation style or the new design style [TS]

  or with or take advantage of the new [TS]

  feature of the phone or just the new [TS]

  size of these phones or whatever else so [TS]

  that was someone's job they had enough [TS]

  time to do a two-thirds complete job so [TS]

  they because they had to rush to meet [TS]

  the deadline for when this OS and phone [TS]

  shipped and then after it shipped the [TS]

  staff was returned back to zero [TS]

  so that we have heard that story so many [TS]

  times from people inside so it isn't [TS]

  that it isn't that things are just done [TS]

  and that the markets demanding that they [TS]

  you know or that you know that all of a [TS]

  sudden they're undone like it's [TS]

  following marketing features they have [TS]

  to keep things updated and they had and [TS]

  they keep seemingly very very small [TS]

  staffs available to do things that [TS]

  aren't high priority apps or features or [TS]

  platforms like the calculator app or [TS]

  like you know the Mac head and then as [TS]

  soon as that thing is is done the am at [TS]

  the budget of time allocation for that [TS]

  that's available to fixed bugs in it [TS]

  literally drops to zero not some zero [TS]

  that is a management problem that needs [TS]

  to be adjusted [TS]

  other perverse and perverse incentives [TS]

  too and and yeah and and that's and [TS]

  we've heard that too like we've heard a [TS]

  lot of reports also from people that one [TS]

  of the issues that causes this kind of [TS]

  thing that leads to this kind of thing [TS]

  is the incentive structure in the [TS]

  company seemingly favors rewriting large [TS]

  projects are being on high profile [TS]

  platforms and doesn't favor doing more [TS]

  boring things that's something to be [TS]

  done and that's also a management [TS]

  problem like that's like they need to [TS]

  find ways to to adjust their internal [TS]

  structures and policies and workflows [TS]

  and incentives to make high quality [TS]

  platforms and apps happen more often [TS]

  than they do the incentive that I was [TS]

  thinking of was if you're on if you're a [TS]

  cast with doing something with [TS]

  calculator or if you're one person who [TS]

  is responsible for seven applications [TS]

  and the max utility folder or something [TS]

  you're not particularly incentivized to [TS]

  slowly make the thing better by adding a [TS]

  feature here and a feature there because [TS]

  like you know take the terminal for [TS]

  example terminal it don't it always [TS]

  amazes me when the terminal gets any [TS]

  features because the downsides are big [TS]

  if you mess up the terminal it's a thing [TS]

  that a lot of people use and they're [TS]

  going to yell at you and if terminal is [TS]

  working fine like why add any minor [TS]

  features to it because all you're doing [TS]

  is adding a new more bug surface like oh [TS]

  I added [TS]

  silly feature two-terminal and now I [TS]

  have 17 bug reports on it and I don't [TS]

  have any time to work on it because I'm [TS]

  off doing other things now and I'm the [TS]

  one person who's responsible for [TS]

  terminal in seven other applications I'm [TS]

  not motivated to add features to [TS]

  terminal and justify them and say why I [TS]

  had to spend engineering time on them [TS]

  because every feature I add is a new [TS]

  thing that people can file bugs against [TS]

  and if you know if we just leave it the [TS]

  way it is we've got our existing bug [TS]

  backlog that we're probably just [TS]

  ignoring forever if we haven't fixed it [TS]

  by now and there's nothing new to do and [TS]

  what you were getting as the you know [TS]

  being on the glory projects like no one [TS]

  ever notices bah this guy's great he's [TS]

  slowly improved the terminal over the [TS]

  course of eight years and has had very [TS]

  few bugs and every new feature that he [TS]

  added versus this person worked on [TS]

  worked on the first version of watchkit [TS]

  right one of those probably helps your [TS]

  career inside Apple more than the other [TS]

  but from the outside perspective [TS]

  especially if you never buy a watch I [TS]

  would love a slowly improving terminal [TS]

  that had like the equivalent of one or [TS]

  you motivated indie developers working [TS]

  on it who like terminal was their entire [TS]

  livelihood and they had that kind of [TS]

  motivation but that doesn't exist inside [TS]

  Apple no one inside Apple is going to [TS]

  work on terminal the same way like the [TS]

  the I term authors are going to work on [TS]

  their thing as if their entire [TS]

  livelihood depends on constantly [TS]

  improving and maintaining the terminal [TS]

  application which you know is a shame [TS]

  but there's that's not really I don't [TS]

  know everyone always says everyone we [TS]

  were making like a start-up inside a big [TS]

  company but I've never seen that done [TS]

  successfully well I mean the thing that [TS]

  is is that my limited understanding of [TS]

  what the culture is like with an apple [TS]

  is that they still fancy themselves the [TS]

  plucky upstart and they're not they're [TS]

  just not and how do you maintain and [TS]

  both we've got both of you guys have [TS]

  said this how do you maintain any sort [TS]

  of talent at the company when part of [TS]

  being good at what you do is being good [TS]

  at the boring stuff and it's just it's [TS]

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  Thanksgiving special and ask and have [TS]

  each of us describe what tech stuff we [TS]

  are thankful for this year and I really [TS]

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  did a lot of listeners and so Marco you [TS]

  were good enough to remember to talk [TS]

  about it again this year so Marco what [TS]

  text offer you thankful for this year I [TS]

  wanted to keep the list pretty short [TS]

  this year and I'm just super running low [TS]

  on time but you only got four items but [TS]

  there's a tie for number three [TS]

  all done sir yeah I actually do it four [TS]

  times so one of them is my wonderful [TS]

  beloved 2015 MacBook Pro we will get to [TS]

  that in more detail later oh my god I [TS]

  you know look I just love it I wrote a [TS]

  whole blog post about how much I love it [TS]

  it's great and it's it is exactly what [TS]

  text should be which is it just works it [TS]

  delights me and I don't really have to [TS]

  think about it if I don't want to it [TS]

  just works [TS]

  also in the world of Apple hardware I am [TS]

  incredibly happy with the 10.5 inch iPad [TS]

  pro and the smart Keyboard that I bought [TS]

  with it you know I'm I don't use my iPad [TS]

  for very complicated things but I do use [TS]

  it frequently every day I use it it's [TS]

  always in the kitchen or on the table or [TS]

  on the couch and every day I use it to [TS]

  only play podcasts in the kitchen and [TS]

  dining area but then I will often then [TS]

  use it as my couch browsing device and [TS]

  things of that and it's it's just very [TS]

  pleasant to use I'm not an iPad power [TS]

  user by any means I still bring a laptop [TS]

  one night when I'm working [TS]

  but I'm doing anything that's not really [TS]

  work especially you're on the house the [TS]

  iPad is wonderful and the 10.5 inch was [TS]

  such a great update in so many ways the [TS]

  screen size is great and especially once [TS]

  you see it next to and 9.7 again you [TS]

  realize that quite have much of an [TS]

  improvement it was it seemed like a [TS]

  pretty small improvement at the time but [TS]

  it's really nice so it's a great device [TS]

  I always have it propped up in the smart [TS]

  Keyboard so text-entry is nice and fast [TS]

  on it if I need that and it's just it's [TS]

  great I'm very very happy with my iPad [TS]

  pro 10.5 third I will add the general [TS]

  category of power and charging gear by [TS]

  Ankur this is you know it's not that new [TS]

  of an opinion to like anchor gear the [TS]

  world of dealing with our tech these [TS]

  days especially iOS devices with [TS]

  lightning ports and everything else [TS]

  things become a lot more convenient and [TS]

  easier and more pleasant when you can [TS]

  get plentiful charging and power and [TS]

  gear for not that much money and that's [TS]

  pretty high-quality an anchor is not the [TS]

  only brand that does this but I think [TS]

  they are the brand that does the most of [TS]

  it and the most consistent [TS]

  and so very very happy with anchor gear [TS]

  both like the the multi USB port wall [TS]

  chargers their standalone batteries are [TS]

  also great and of course they're they're [TS]

  like heavy-duty braided cables lightning [TS]

  cables are great and they cost so little [TS]

  relatively speaking that you can have a [TS]

  bunch of them and you can put them all [TS]

  over your house you can carry extras [TS]

  around and bags and you can set up like [TS]

  you know different charging stations at [TS]

  different different rooms in different [TS]

  places like your office in your house in [TS]

  your car and it's just really really [TS]

  nice to have all that stuff become [TS]

  inexpensive and good it really it really [TS]

  makes art digital lives with all these [TS]

  charging things a lot easier and finally [TS]

  a special honorable mention to [TS]

  everything I have ever bought from the [TS]

  company sound devices this is very [TS]

  specialized if you are not a sound or [TS]

  video pro you probably have never heard [TS]

  of this company and you probably [TS]

  shouldn't ever hear about this company [TS]

  but if you work with sound or video gear [TS]

  well haven't used their video stuff if [TS]

  you work with sound gear at all the [TS]

  devices by sound devices are not cheap [TS]

  at all but this is truly ProGear is I [TS]

  use a USB pre - for recording here for [TS]

  our live show and for my increasing live [TS]

  and multi port needs [TS]

  I recently splurged and bought one of [TS]

  their 6 Series mixers their stuff is [TS]

  just so damn good and it just works this [TS]

  is true Pro gear and it's total overkill [TS]

  for most podcasters but it's the exact [TS]

  definition of like if you have a problem [TS]

  and you are willing to just throw some [TS]

  money at it to make that problem [TS]

  completely go away sound devices trust [TS]

  me anyway that's it all right so we can [TS]

  go in either surname or age order either [TS]

  way that makes me next and so I will run [TS]

  through my list I will try to do this as [TS]

  quickly as possible in no particular [TS]

  order air pods [TS]

  I freaking love my air pods and I was [TS]

  just thinking a couple hours ago about [TS]

  how as far as I can tell I haven't [TS]

  noticed any particular degradation in [TS]

  battery quality despite the fact that [TS]

  these things have been in my ears for a [TS]

  probably [TS]

  concerning amount of time particularly [TS]

  during the work week and I think that's [TS]

  partially because anytime I take them [TS]

  out of my ears there immediately [TS]

  charging so although I said no [TS]

  particular order I lied because that is [TS]

  definitely number one the remainder [TS]

  however is not in any particular order [TS]

  carplay believe it or not in this [TS]

  surprises even me [TS]

  it's got a lot of problems it is not [TS]

  perfect by any stretch but it is very [TS]

  very nice and I like that I can take [TS]

  pretty much any iOS device plug it into [TS]

  Aaron's car and immediately I have the [TS]

  entire devices experience in her center [TS]

  console so that's really convenient [TS]

  because my caller my phone isn't maded [TS]

  paired to her car via bluetooth but I [TS]

  can try to find an address to somewhere [TS]

  in Apple Maps and get the directions [TS]

  ready to go plug in my phone and [TS]

  suddenly she's got my navigation on her [TS]

  car which is super cool I believe in in [TS]

  laptops that were built in this century [TS]

  so I love my macbook adorable again it's [TS]

  got problems but I love it and the [TS]

  problems it has slower than my ancient [TS]

  laptop by quite a margin that that's one [TS]

  of the problems coincidentally you could [TS]

  but yeah I mean it is not perfect and [TS]

  and as I think I've said many times in [TS]

  the past if this was my only computer [TS]

  I'm not sure I would have such fond [TS]

  feelings for it but in the same way you [TS]

  have such fond feelings for your 10 inch [TS]

  iPad pro I have tremendously fond [TS]

  feelings for this macbook adorable [TS]

  because it is to me anyway the ultimate [TS]

  travel can [TS]

  travel can [TS]

  computer and that can mean the couch or [TS]

  it can mean a cross-country trip and I [TS]

  just love this thing [TS]

  also on the list I in in the process of [TS]

  filming the Alfa Romeo video which I [TS]

  have a first draft complete and I'm now [TS]

  refining it anyway in the process of [TS]

  filming that I borrowed a GoPro from [TS]

  work which I think I mentioned in the [TS]

  past [TS]

  turns out GoPros are really cool and if [TS]

  you're in a situation where you want to [TS]

  have a pretty decent camera that if for [TS]

  some reason it broke you wouldn't be [TS]

  financially ruined and you want to do [TS]

  something with that camera like mounted [TS]

  to the outside of a car or put it [TS]

  somewhere there that's there's not a lot [TS]

  of room the GoPros are really really [TS]

  cool very much a niche use case but man [TS]

  are they agree it's like your sound [TS]

  devices right you know it's it's a very [TS]

  niche thing but holy cow does it work [TS]

  out well for those for those little [TS]

  niches and finally I love my LTE Apple [TS]

  watch I had already started taking [TS]

  Fitness a lot more seriously before my [TS]

  LTE Apple watch but it is much more [TS]

  pleasurable to go for a run without [TS]

  having to carry anything on my person [TS]

  and and still know that I can call for [TS]

  help God for if God forbid something [TS]

  really bad happened and so I am super [TS]

  thankful for my Apple watch even though [TS]

  it is about 50% more expensive on a [TS]

  monthly basis than it should be yeah [TS]

  maybe even a hundred that's okay anyway [TS]

  that's my list a mega list but I can go [TS]

  off the top of my head for the show [TS]

  yeah well Casey stole my first one with [TS]

  air pods my name problem with all these [TS]

  things I can never remember what [TS]

  happened this year like it's this you [TS]

  know what things were thankful for this [TS]

  year was that we're apart this year I [TS]

  don't even know but since Casey listed [TS]

  them I'm gonna say they were but they [TS]

  they were since Thanksgiving [TS]

  ah shoot I'm saying so I received mine I [TS]

  think lately late December and so I'm [TS]

  counting it as Thanksgiving to [TS]

  Thanksgiving thing yes certainly for [TS]

  most people they were this year yeah so [TS]

  they have definitely just changed I [TS]

  think I was thinking about this the [TS]

  other day just how much they've changed [TS]

  my my life [TS]

  because I'm constantly singing to [TS]

  podcasts inside and outside of the house [TS]

  and maybe it's not as big a deal I know [TS]

  I know the air pods everybody likes them [TS]

  like if you ask someone who has the [TS]

  motive great or whatever but for me I [TS]

  think I there's a little bit of extra [TS]

  attraction to them because I'm I don't [TS]

  know how to describe this but I'm the [TS]

  kind of person I'm one of those people [TS]

  who's like disturbed by disorder I think [TS]

  I described it to Merlin once bird like [TS]

  there was some pictures on the internet [TS]

  that show like a bunch of pencils all [TS]

  lined up but one pencil is poking out [TS]

  right or like just things that are a [TS]

  bunch of physical objects that look like [TS]

  they you know they could be nicely [TS]

  arranged but there's just something [TS]

  wrong with them this is Aaron's [TS]

  kryptonite yeah and whatever that is [TS]

  people say OCD but that isn't incorrect [TS]

  use of that term it's not what is it all [TS]

  that's a whole different thing but if [TS]

  you're just generally like disturbed by [TS]

  disorder and headphone chords for me are [TS]

  were always a big source of disorder [TS]

  they're tangled in your pockets you have [TS]

  all these techniques for coiling them [TS]

  they get caught on things I think as I [TS]

  tweeted one of the other tweets that I I [TS]

  think back on every time this happens to [TS]

  me nothing makes me more instantly [TS]

  enraged than having my headphones yanked [TS]

  out of my ears [TS]

  that just makes me want to immediately [TS]

  kill right like easy going through a [TS]

  door and your headphone cord gets caught [TS]

  on something and the earbud is yanked [TS]

  out of your ears the worst right and [TS]

  it's not a big deal like whatever all [TS]

  the cords bother you oh it's just too [TS]

  crippling you know it really is ruining [TS]

  your day that you have cords it wasn't a [TS]

  big deal but it was always there and I'm [TS]

  the type of person who was bothered by [TS]

  this kind of disorder who was bothered [TS]

  by having to deal with it and having to [TS]

  have all these techniques for dealing [TS]

  with it now and be aware of it and being [TS]

  careful within threading the cords [TS]

  through my clothes and doing all of this [TS]

  stuff earpods get rid of all of that [TS]

  there is no more cord and despite being [TS]

  annoyed by not being able to change the [TS]

  volume and all the other things and [TS]

  having to be able to charging and all [TS]

  that other stuff boy they have really [TS]

  just ambiently increased my quality of [TS]

  life by a tiny amount but the tiny [TS]

  amount is spread through like the whole [TS]

  day so I really love them I'm gonna give [TS]

  a slot to the Apple TV the new Apple TV [TS]

  now that the beta OS does the [TS]

  the frame matching stuff mostly because [TS]

  I hadn't realized how much I had written [TS]

  off the Apple TV as sort of a video file [TS]

  audio file like whatever like a sort of [TS]

  device in which I can indulge my love of [TS]

  beautiful movies and stuff is like yeah [TS]

  that's a thing that we use it to watch [TS]

  TV shows and the kids play with it but [TS]

  that's outside the realm of my sort of [TS]

  TV nerd experience but suddenly it's [TS]

  it's right back in now it's back in the [TS]

  mix because now it can actually show [TS]

  things of the correct frame rate and as [TS]

  hgr support and its 4k and its back on [TS]

  the board and so I'm excited by that [TS]

  because I never really dislike the Apple [TS]

  TV and I dreaded having to go to a [TS]

  geekier device like a build-your-own [TS]

  Raspberry Pi and you can make your own [TS]

  thing or use the Nvidia shield and don't [TS]

  worry you know like I I didn't want to [TS]

  deal with all that so I was just you [TS]

  know stuck with my plastic blu-ray discs [TS]

  in my TV and everything but now I'm more [TS]

  optimistic about the future of the Apple [TS]

  TV in my life not just this a thing that [TS]

  my kids used to watch stuff sometimes [TS]

  what was my third one oh yeah my camera [TS]

  which I don't think was this year either [TS]

  but going through my pictures I've been [TS]

  printing books from the Apple photo book [TS]

  thing and so I've been going through a [TS]

  lot of old pictures and everything and [TS]

  it's so clear where the dividing line is [TS]

  between my old cameras and my new one [TS]

  which is the sony a6300 not that it's [TS]

  the world's best camera but it was a [TS]

  significant leap in image quality and [TS]

  sensor size over my old superzoom [TS]

  cameras and i notice it when i'm going [TS]

  through the pictures and I'm much [TS]

  happier with the pictures I'm taking [TS]

  with my new camera then I was in my old [TS]

  ones I got some good ones at that one [TS]

  too but I see the difference and now of [TS]

  course I wish I could go back in time [TS]

  and you know take take pictures of my [TS]

  son it was born 13 years ago with a [TS]

  camera from 2017 that's not the way the [TS]

  world works [TS]

  but I really I really do enjoy my camera [TS]

  and it's making me as making me think [TS]

  that maybe like oh wait I'll wait for a [TS]

  Parkers review of the of the bigger Sony [TS]

  that maybe I should start cranking up [TS]

  the size of the camera I'm willing to [TS]

  carry just to see if I can go all the [TS]

  way up to [TS]

  a larger sensor size and make it [TS]

  worthwhile but anyway I really enjoy my [TS]

  camera let's see the final thing I guess [TS]

  I have to give a shout out for the Mac [TS]

  Pro how can I be thankful for a thing I [TS]

  don't actually have I'm thankful that [TS]

  this year again I'm pretty sure this [TS]

  year is the year that Apple said you [TS]

  know what we should make it a Mac Pro [TS]

  and I agree Apple you should and I'm [TS]

  waiting patiently I haven't had enough [TS]

  to drink [TS]

  to handle the Mac Pro conversations so [TS]

  let's just move on and let's talk about [TS]

  how I did not bring up the iPhone 10 and [TS]

  in fact none of us brought up the iPhone [TS]

  10 as one of our things that we're [TS]

  thankful for [TS]

  to be fair John doesn't really have one [TS]

  eye I've had it for two weeks it is [TS]

  really good so far I really enjoy it [TS]

  it's just a little early for me to say [TS]

  for sure that it's like a clear positive [TS]

  win in all fronts but I think it's [TS]

  heading in that direction for me but [TS]

  apparently not for you so I I'm having [TS]

  some troubles and I feel like it is [TS]

  clear that Apple has done something that [TS]

  they have no bin I think I said this [TS]

  originally when we reviewed the iPhone [TS]

  10 iPhones 10 they've done something [TS]

  that they have no business doing and [TS]

  brought technology that really should [TS]

  not exist in 2017 and and ripped it from [TS]

  the future and put it in 2017 so in a [TS]

  lot of ways I am delighted and [TS]

  mesmerized by this device and certainly [TS]

  every time I look at any other devices I [TS]

  think I described last episode any time [TS]

  I look at any other device that has the [TS]

  big chin and forehead I look at it and [TS]

  it just feels friggin ancient like I'm [TS]

  poking fun at your laptop but really and [TS]

  truly that these old devices look just [TS]

  ancient by comparison in a way that your [TS]

  laptop actually doesn't although I'll [TS]

  deny that in about 10 minutes they're so [TS]

  in so many ways this thing is is [TS]

  wonderful and my goodness when face ID [TS]

  works right boy does it feel amazing it [TS]

  feels like back in the day when I didn't [TS]

  put a passcode in my 3GS because why [TS]

  would you there's no need for it [TS]

  so in so many ways the these phones are [TS]

  so great but I am getting more and more [TS]

  and more infuriated about the fact that [TS]

  I feel less and less and less able to [TS]

  use my phone at night or potentially in [TS]

  the morning and let me tell you why [TS]

  so well I think I described last episode [TS]

  that I have a very peculiar eye problem [TS]

  it's called keratoconus which means that [TS]

  I wear hard contact lenses and it means [TS]

  that if I were I glasses which I do have [TS]

  a pair of eye glasses they get me from [TS]

  unable to do almost anything to somewhat [TS]

  functioning human being but I would [TS]

  never drive with my eyeglasses it's very [TS]

  difficult to work on a computer with [TS]

  eyeglasses I need my contacts and so at [TS]

  night when I'm in bed or in the morning [TS]

  when I'm in bed and I don't have my [TS]

  contacts in I have to keep the phone [TS]

  uncomfortably close to my face well it's [TS]

  not uncomfortable to me but you know it [TS]

  probably looks just completely weird to [TS]

  anyone else I would guess that it's 2 to [TS]

  3 inches away from my nose and my nose [TS]

  is about 800 feet long so that's [TS]

  actually not as close as it seems I [TS]

  suppose but it's close and the point is [TS]

  that what I feel like is happening I [TS]

  don't know this is true but what seems [TS]

  to be happening is that I'm close enough [TS]

  that face ID can't see my eyes and it's [TS]

  assuming that I'm not looking at the [TS]

  phone and so the symptom is that I will [TS]

  be actively using my phone often times [TS]

  having scrolled in like Twitter or [TS]

  something within the last 15 or 20 [TS]

  seconds and the phone just suddenly [TS]

  decides to lock itself and turn the [TS]

  screen off and this is happening a lot [TS]

  it's not dimming before the screen is [TS]

  turned off I'm not in low-power mode I [TS]

  am usually and do not disturb but I'm [TS]

  not in low-power mode and often times I [TS]

  expect it would dim I would you know [TS]

  touch the screen to remind it don't know [TS]

  I'm here don't don't go away I'm here [TS]

  but off it happened this morning like [TS]

  two different times I'm sitting there [TS]

  I'm reading something and next thing you [TS]

  know all of a sudden the phone turns [TS]

  itself off well I shouldn't say turns [TS]

  itself off are you sure you're not a [TS]

  ghost I know I'm not sure is this real [TS]

  life there's just a bit see I don't [TS]

  No okay sorry did you mention whether [TS]

  you what's your auto lock timeout set to [TS]

  whatever the default is but I will stall [TS]

  for time and I will tell you but I'm [TS]

  pretty darn sure it's whatever the [TS]

  default is and I feel like that's like [TS]

  30 seconds or something yeah which [TS]

  should be the default with the OLED [TS]

  screens [TS]

  well I'd argue it shouldn't because it [TS]

  sucks well Touche [TS]

  it is absolutely unequivocally set for [TS]

  30 seconds yeah that's bad but you said [TS]

  it doesn't dim first no that's the thing [TS]

  that's driving me bananas because if it [TS]

  was dimming and what I shouldn't say [TS]

  that occasionally it will dim and then [TS]

  I'll touch the screen and everything [TS]

  will be fine but there have been times [TS]

  where I will be looking at the screen [TS]

  and again in the defense of the phone my [TS]

  devices is very close to my face and all [TS]

  of a sudden will just turn itself off [TS]

  and yes I do have a tension detection on [TS]

  and no I have not tried turning it off [TS]

  but I want attention detection on I like [TS]

  it in every other circumstance but when [TS]

  I have my phone so close to my face it [TS]

  just suddenly decides no you're done now [TS]

  in turns itself off and I I don't know [TS]

  what to do to fix it other than I mean I [TS]

  I suppose I could turn attention [TS]

  detection off but my goodness is is [TS]

  frustrating and it's grating on me like [TS]

  it's it's that thing that when you hear [TS]

  somebody else talk about like like [TS]

  John's phone or headphone cables like [TS]

  okay yeah that's annoying but whatever [TS]

  get over John know like I can't get over [TS]

  this it's killing me you know like this [TS]

  is my headphone cables and I don't know [TS]

  what to do about it and it's getting to [TS]

  the point that it's kind of ruining a [TS]

  phone that I otherwise really really [TS]

  really really love did you put the RAM [TS]

  from your iMac into your just turn it [TS]

  indeed is the phone also just rebooting [TS]

  itself like every few hours and you [TS]

  weren't telling us that because you [TS]

  figure that's fine but he's complaining [TS]

  about his progress he's complaining [TS]

  about his look I'm using my features [TS]

  turns off whereas before he's like [TS]

  sometimes when I use my iMac it turns [TS]

  off whatever I mean it seems like you [TS]

  know step one is try turning off [TS]

  attention detection yeah you're [TS]

  absolutely right why haven't you tried [TS]

  that yet that's my question like so you [TS]

  have this problem what's been stopping [TS]

  you from saying oh I'm going to [TS]

  that obvious setting and flippant [TS]

  because I don't want to turn it on and I [TS]

  think that more of the stories I need to [TS]

  try but I don't want to turn it off I [TS]

  don't wanna have to flip that switch [TS]

  every morning either because why don't [TS]

  you want it off permanently like what [TS]

  it's what's stopping you from saying why [TS]

  don't you want it off because I like the [TS]

  whole like the phone knows when I'm [TS]

  looking at it and will show me the [TS]

  details of my messages now the next [TS]

  question you're gonna ask me is did I [TS]

  ever bother with that before no I did [TS]

  not my text messages could be seen by [TS]

  anyone who had access to my phone I [TS]

  don't think that's mutually exclusive I [TS]

  think it's as soon as the phone is [TS]

  unlocked it will show you the content [TS]

  your text messages and it's unlocked [TS]

  whether attention detection is enabled [TS]

  or not just it uses face ID for that [TS]

  interesting point okay that makes me [TS]

  feel a little better that's okay that's [TS]

  an interesting point I didn't think of [TS]

  it that way I see what you're saying [TS]

  though so attempt number one [TS]

  turn off the engine detection and then [TS]

  if that doesn't do it enough for you [TS]

  raise that auto walk time out be above [TS]

  thirty seconds and that should [TS]

  significantly reduce the chances of this [TS]

  this problem affecting you yeah but the [TS]

  interesting the interesting life lesson [TS]

  here is I don't view this as my fault [TS]

  and the chat room is already saying it's [TS]

  my fault I'm sure if you're listening [TS]

  you're saying it's my fault but I don't [TS]

  view this isn't that is my fault I'm [TS]

  just trying to use my phone the way I [TS]

  want to use my phone and although by any [TS]

  normal metric I am in no way differently [TS]

  abled or whatever the correct phrasing [TS]

  is that I'm looking for but this is this [TS]

  is the first time perhaps in my entire [TS]

  life that an ailment of mine has caused [TS]

  me to have a problem with the way [TS]

  something's designed because I don't [TS]

  think apples designers I I don't think [TS]

  had ever really had to worry about well [TS]

  what happens if somebody has really [TS]

  really poor eyesight and is basically [TS]

  touching their nose to this phone like [TS]

  then what do we do and and so I feel I [TS]

  feel neglected and that's a weird [TS]

  feeling for me because as a able-bodied [TS]

  person by any other metric this is the [TS]

  first time I've really have to have to [TS]

  deal with this and it's been a really [TS]

  good and useful lesson that it's easy to [TS]

  feel marginalized that's prob about the [TS]

  word I'm looking for it but I can't [TS]

  think of a better one it's easy to feel [TS]

  marginalized just by being overlooked [TS]

  the littlest tiniest bit [TS]

  and that's been kind of interesting too [TS]

  it's a glimpse of your future as I think [TS]

  we've said many times when we talked [TS]

  about accessibility features your [TS]

  choices are you will eventually use [TS]

  accessibility features or you'll be dead [TS]

  and in general I think people will [TS]

  choose the accessibility features like [TS]

  it's not a question maybe you'll need [TS]

  accessibility features no you will these [TS]

  the only way you won't need [TS]

  accessibility features is if you die or [TS]

  if they cure aging I suppose but don't [TS]

  hold your breath for that [TS]

  sorry CGP grey yeah yeah we're all gonna [TS]

  need these features in everything that [TS]

  we do if we just keep living and our [TS]

  bodies keep deteriorating you may be [TS]

  perfectly healthy now and everything [TS]

  works but eventually it won't and then [TS]

  you are suddenly a customer for all the [TS]

  features that you are not using in all [TS]

  your electronic devices and all of the [TS]

  appliances in your home and all the [TS]

  places you go and your car and [TS]

  everything else and so there's it's not [TS]

  speculative and it's not likely there's [TS]

  some chance you might need accessibility [TS]

  features you will need them and I also [TS]

  some obviously I don't have I content [TS]

  but I also do exactly what Casey does I [TS]

  don't have his exact vision problem but [TS]

  I have terrible vision and when I use my [TS]

  phone without my glasses in my bed it [TS]

  might as well be touching my nose like [TS]

  is that's when I get really intimate [TS]

  with the retina screen and be like look [TS]

  I can see the subpixels my close-up [TS]

  vision is still pretty good although [TS]

  maybe not true for Casey but bad news [TS]

  for other young people who think that [TS]

  yeah you know I need glasses to see far [TS]

  away but I can see close up real great [TS]

  well guess what when you get old that [TS]

  goes to so that you have that to look [TS]

  forward to but yeah and I think I would [TS]

  have the exact same problem as you and I [TS]

  think I would be the same situation [TS]

  where I'd have to be considering turning [TS]

  off the attention thing just because I [TS]

  don't want to give up like that and you [TS]

  know it's not a long time but I do use [TS]

  my phone in my bed either before going [TS]

  to bed or just after waking up and I [TS]

  don't want to have to toggle setting to [TS]

  do that and I don't want the screen to [TS]

  turn off while I'm doing it so yeah it's [TS]

  a thing so I'm looking at the settings [TS]

  right now and in face ID and attention [TS]

  there are two settings require attention [TS]

  for face ID and then separately [TS]

  attention to where features and then the [TS]

  the footer under that says treat up the [TS]

  camera will check for attention before [TS]

  the display or lowering the volume of [TS]

  alerts I am bummed to give away the [TS]

  lowering the bar the volume of alerts [TS]

  thing because although it doesn't happen [TS]

  but once or twice a day that is a super [TS]

  nice feature that when I look at the [TS]

  phone it will duck the audio or maybe [TS]

  that's not the right term for it but [TS]

  it'll lower the volume of the the the [TS]

  alarm or the timer what-have-you and you [TS]

  know the thing that I I guess really [TS]

  grinds my gears about this the most is [TS]

  that one of the coolest like Wow things [TS]

  for me anyway about the iPhone 10 is [TS]

  that it is attention aware in that it is [TS]

  capable of making decisions based on [TS]

  whether or not you're looking at it like [TS]

  that's so cool me I I'm seriously it's [TS]

  super cool and now I feel like I'm [TS]

  giving up on a little bit of that and [TS]

  that bums me out because I like my new [TS]

  toy otherwise and it's a really nice new [TS]

  toy and I don't want and I want all [TS]

  parts of my new toy to work not just [TS]

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  discussion we sure do [TS]

  it's the best done yeah that's that's [TS]

  exactly how this is going to go all [TS]

  right so tell us tell us this may or [TS]

  tell if you and I are gonna hate each [TS]

  other buy into this or if we're just [TS]

  gonna shrug and say yeah okay that makes [TS]

  sense but tell it tell us make your [TS]

  pitch tell us about the the supposed [TS]

  best laptop that's ever been made I [TS]

  actually already did tell you a few [TS]

  weeks ago on this show I basically I you [TS]

  know as listeners of this show know I [TS]

  have lots of complaints about the [TS]

  current generation of MacBook Pros and I [TS]

  switched back recently to a 2015 model [TS]

  that I got off eBay for a pretty good [TS]

  price and I just loved it I absolutely [TS]

  loved it you know the the the wonderful [TS]

  design of it just resonates well with me [TS]

  it fits my needs incredibly well even [TS]

  though it might not fit more modern [TS]

  needs in certain ways if it's my you [TS]

  know fairly low laptop needs incredibly [TS]

  well it's incredibly convenient to have [TS]

  all the nice old ports on it that I [TS]

  don't need dongles for I can have only [TS]

  USB a cables in my travel bag and be [TS]

  able to plug my phone into either [TS]

  chargers or my laptop with the same [TS]

  cable and not have to worry about two [TS]

  different kinds the keyboard is [TS]

  wonderful it just works its reliable [TS]

  it's the kind that I like the trackpad [TS]

  is wonderful it's just a great the [TS]

  battery life is wonderful and the [TS]

  biggest thing I was afraid about when I [TS]

  went back to it was that it would feel [TS]

  old or that it would that I would miss [TS]

  some of the advances the new stuff and [TS]

  in fact that didn't happen at all it [TS]

  doesn't feel old to me at all it doesn't [TS]

  look old to me at all and I don't miss [TS]

  the advances of the new stuff at all so [TS]

  it basically was all good switching back [TS]

  to it and I've been thinking for a while [TS]

  about whether I wanted to write a big [TS]

  blog post about just how much worse I [TS]

  felt the the new generation of MacBook [TS]

  Pros is and I decided to take a more [TS]

  positive approach and not even not do [TS]

  that at all I do that enough here [TS]

  but to instead really celebrate quite [TS]

  how good this laptop is and in the [TS]

  entire post while some of the things I [TS]

  point out are kind of you know [TS]

  subtly in in comparisons to the current [TS]

  model I never actually call out the [TS]

  current model I never actually named it [TS]

  I'm just talking about the context of [TS]

  how great this laptop is and that's [TS]

  really how I meant it you know the you [TS]

  know certainly it's going to serve the [TS]

  function also of serving as a critique [TS]

  of the new ones but I didn't want this [TS]

  to be a negative article I wanted this [TS]

  to be a positive article about just how [TS]

  much I love that generation of laptops [TS]

  and the great thing is you can still buy [TS]

  them if you if you if you agree with me [TS]

  Apple still sells it still sells them [TS]

  brand new if you score onto the bottom [TS]

  of the 15-inch MacBook Pro by page they [TS]

  still have this model brand-new you can [TS]

  get them plentifully on ebay and other [TS]

  resellers if you want to pay use instead [TS]

  and so it's I just love this laptop a [TS]

  lot and so I brought this big blog post [TS]

  I took some pretty pictures of it and I [TS]

  hire it's big blog post about just some [TS]

  of the things about that I love so much [TS]

  some of the good design decisions and [TS]

  some of the things that just resonate [TS]

  with me and just how nice it is and I [TS]

  named it best laptop ever or something [TS]

  like that and I thought well I had a [TS]

  hard time coming up with a title for [TS]

  this and I and when I decided to go with [TS]

  that I thought boy am I gonna get hell [TS]

  for this I like you put something on the [TS]

  internet that says best ever and you're [TS]

  gonna hear from a lot of people who [TS]

  disagree with that [TS]

  hey especially especially when the thing [TS]

  you're saying is the best ever is not [TS]

  the current thing and the people who [TS]

  bought the current thing you're kind of [TS]

  implicitly telling them you made a [TS]

  mistake you made a bad buying decision [TS]

  although I'm telling them from the [TS]

  perspective that I too made that mistake [TS]

  and I too bought the new one twice three [TS]

  times if you count the escape and so I [TS]

  expected this to be a highly [TS]

  controversial article and I also thought [TS]

  I must be the only person who cares as [TS]

  much [TS]

  about this generation of MacBook Pros is [TS]

  no one's really talking about them [TS]

  anymore and everyone's just kind of [TS]

  swallowing the new ones and so I really [TS]

  didn't I thought that this wouldn't go [TS]

  that far and wide and that if it did the [TS]

  response would be really really mixed [TS]

  and I'd get a lot of complaints and a [TS]

  lot of flaming and a lot of disagreement [TS]

  about what was the best ever that was [TS]

  totally not what happened it immediately [TS]

  went very far and wide even like you [TS]

  know top a hacker news immediately it [TS]

  got you know all over the place even Mac [TS]

  firm referred about it for some reason [TS]

  even though it was not news at all [TS]

  whatever and it went far and wide very [TS]

  very quickly and the shocking thing to [TS]

  me is that the response even on Hacker [TS]

  News which is horrible the response [TS]

  pretty much everywhere was nearly [TS]

  universally positive and with very very [TS]

  strong agreement not a hundred percent [TS]

  agreement but like I can write the sky [TS]

  is blue and I will get more disagreement [TS]

  than what I got from saying this was the [TS]

  best laptop ever and that's really [TS]

  saying something like if Apple has any [TS]

  reason to be concerned it's not that I [TS]

  wrote this article they don't care about [TS]

  that it's how many people agree with it [TS]

  I have gotten I'm still every day still [TS]

  responses from this but I got hundreds [TS]

  of responses hundreds of comments on [TS]

  other sites tons of inbound links and [TS]

  almost all of them agreed and that to me [TS]

  is shocking even the people who like and [TS]

  I thought for I thought like maybe the [TS]

  MacBook Air people would have a problem [TS]

  with it or maybe the 13-inch MacBook Pro [TS]

  people would have a problem with it and [TS]

  they largely didn't even the people who [TS]

  like those most of them said but you're [TS]

  right so I am just blown away by how [TS]

  much people agree with this and I got I [TS]

  heard from lots of people both who have [TS]

  the old laptops who you know who had the [TS]

  2012 through 2015 [TS]

  book pro who I've heard it from tons of [TS]

  them [TS]

  who said I'm holding on to mine I love [TS]

  it I see no reason to upgrade I hope it [TS]

  never dies tons of them who were like I [TS]

  don't know what I'm gonna get when it [TS]

  does die who I guess didn't know that [TS]

  there still make these tons of people [TS]

  who have the new ones and who regret it [TS]

  and who wish they would have kept the [TS]

  old one or have been thinking about [TS]

  switching back to the old one a handful [TS]

  of people who did what I did and who did [TS]

  switch back to the old one and are very [TS]

  happy having done that again I can't [TS]

  underestimate I can't understate how [TS]

  many people supported this this point of [TS]

  view in their responses also I think [TS]

  worrisome for Apple is pretty much no [TS]

  one cares about the touch bar and in any [TS]

  of these responses that the big [TS]

  headlining feature of this laptop touch [TS]

  bar not a lot of people care the few [TS]

  people who disagreed with it [TS]

  most of them decided that the best left [TS]

  I've ever was actually a think pad I [TS]

  disagree that wasn't me surprisingly [TS]

  yeah like so you know the most of the [TS]

  disagreement was once it's spread beyond [TS]

  the Apple crowd that the PC people [TS]

  really good though it's not it's the [TS]

  best I've ever is not it's not an apple [TS]

  you know but but they think they can [TS]

  have that I guess no no that that is is [TS]

  a die-hard I think Pat fan you are way [TS]

  closer to right than they are so anyway [TS]

  so if you if you rule out the windows [TS]

  people the the biggest counter-argument [TS]

  was that was was more theoretical it was [TS]

  more like well someone needs to push the [TS]

  industry forward and that's why Apple [TS]

  needed to go all USB see what about the [TS]

  original iMac going all USB blah blah [TS]

  blah and most of those arguments were [TS]

  honestly pretty bad I don't I disagree [TS]

  with many of those arguments I don't [TS]

  think we have time to talk about that I [TS]

  don't really care but if we do I will [TS]

  but for the most part the the response [TS]

  was just so positive and almost none of [TS]

  the people who disagreed even mentioned [TS]

  the touch bar well I guess it wasn't a [TS]

  surprise honestly but it was damning I [TS]

  would say how few people cared about the [TS]

  touch bar people to care about touch ID [TS]

  sometimes even that not not as often as [TS]

  I would have expected but for the most [TS]

  part the touch bar didn't get much of I [TS]

  mentioned [TS]

  the the new keyboard does have some fans [TS]

  people who said you know I prefer it and [TS]

  that's fine I get that if you prefer it [TS]

  that's fine I think we can all still [TS]

  agree that it's unreliable for a lot of [TS]

  people and that's a big problem but you [TS]

  know for the people who like it you can [TS]

  like it that's fine but I think the [TS]

  whole package of the old one I just [TS]

  loved so much and it just is a workhorse [TS]

  it just works and works and works for [TS]

  years and and some people did that did [TS]

  point out that that generation has had [TS]

  its issues you know the first one I got [TS]

  in 2012 had image retention that was a [TS]

  common thing that's why I made my little [TS]

  grid page it was for the 2012 right I'm [TS]

  a pro and over the years they seem to [TS]

  have fix that so that had some issues [TS]

  with some of those really screens if [TS]

  they were made by algae instead of [TS]

  Samsung that it had it has this [TS]

  continued screen delamination problem [TS]

  for some people that hasn't ever [TS]

  affected me but well and the ones with [TS]

  discrete GPUs as every MacBook Pro with [TS]

  a discrete GPU has had in the last [TS]

  probably decade or so those GPUs tend to [TS]

  die at a higher rate than an average and [TS]

  so that causes problems for people but [TS]

  we but not only have they all done that [TS]

  but we don't even know yet if the [TS]

  current generation will also do that I [TS]

  think it probably will so the overall [TS]

  the response was great and pretty much [TS]

  everybody agrees with me I guess except [TS]

  casing so I think your point is fair and [TS]

  I think part of the reason why you got [TS]

  such good coverage of this is because [TS]

  you did take the high road and said hey [TS]

  rather than telling you about why [TS]

  everything else is garbage let me tell [TS]

  you why this is good and if that [TS]

  implicitly means that other things are [TS]

  garbage then so be it [TS]

  the problem I have with it is that it is [TS]

  far more absolute or it reads is far [TS]

  more absolute then then I think is [TS]

  really true you know this the best [TS]

  laptop ever made period I mean it's not [TS]

  the best laptop for Marco it's the best [TS]

  laptop ever made and this is it yeah you [TS]

  know the look at your opening paragraph [TS]

  Apple has made many great laptops 15 [TS]

  inch retina MacBook Pro 2012 2015 is he [TS]

  epitome of usefulness elegance and [TS]

  practicality and power for an overall [TS]

  package that still hasn't been and may [TS]

  never be surpassed [TS]

  like it's number it's not an [TS]

  unreasonable thesis but it's I feel like [TS]

  just some degree this entire article was [TS]

  that's fine for Marco and then and [TS]

  that's okay [TS]

  I mean it's Marco org it's not it's not [TS]

  people that are like Marco org it's [TS]

  Marco to work so I mean to some degree I [TS]

  really need to give you a bye on this [TS]

  but that's that's I think we're my [TS]

  primary complaint lies is that there are [TS]

  there are other uses for Mac laptops [TS]

  besides what you need to do as an [TS]

  example a lot of people and I think you [TS]

  were one of them had had many many [TS]

  beehives full of bees and their bonnets [TS]

  about the removal of the SD card slot in [TS]

  your right and and you were particularly [TS]

  perturbed about the removal of the SD [TS]

  card slot obviously I have no idea how [TS]

  many people do or do not use the SD card [TS]

  slot but I can tell you that I had never [TS]

  ever ever used an SD card reader ever [TS]

  until 2014 when I bought our big camera [TS]

  and I would argue that most people that [TS]

  I know anyway don't have big fancy [TS]

  cameras that take SD cards so to me if [TS]

  you were to lament the loss of the SD [TS]

  card slot that's fine for mark oh really [TS]

  I guess the loss is not fine for mark oh [TS]

  but you know what I mean like for you [TS]

  that's a big friggin problem and I'm not [TS]

  trying to patronize you like it for you [TS]

  that is a big friggin problem that's a [TS]

  big deal but for me it may not be as it [TS]

  turns out it actually is but do you see [TS]

  what I'm driving at and so I think I [TS]

  think that the thing is is that I have [TS]

  one of these computers that I use every [TS]

  single day because that's my work [TS]

  computer and you know what it's a damn [TS]

  fine computer it really really is but [TS]

  there's a lot that I wish was different [TS]

  about it as a perfect example I wish it [TS]

  had the new keyboard until it inevitably [TS]

  breaks but until that moment I wish have [TS]

  had the new keyboard because when I type [TS]

  on this thing when I go from my magic [TS]

  key my beloved magic keyboard to this it [TS]

  feels like I've gone from a steel roller [TS]

  coaster to a wooden roller [TS]

  everything is creaky and loose and just [TS]

  mushy and just just gross and I I can't [TS]

  it's not fair of me to just hand wave [TS]

  away the reliability problems are the [TS]

  new keyboards and I recognize that [TS]

  that's not fair but for me I'd love the [TS]

  feel of the new keyboards if they could [TS]

  only make a reliable version of it it [TS]

  would be tremendous well and they have [TS]

  that's not a great counter-argument like [TS]

  until they don't is until they can make [TS]

  that keyboard without pretty horrible [TS]

  side effects then you can't say well I [TS]

  wish they had that keyboard everywhere [TS]

  because trust me you don't you're right [TS]

  in now in my defense my beloved MacBook [TS]

  adorable has yet to have any keyboard [TS]

  problems that compressed air couldn't [TS]

  fix it but I haven't had and to be fair [TS]

  to you I didn't have compressed air in [TS]

  the house I had to buy myself compressed [TS]

  air to fix my six month old laptop what [TS]

  year is this pretty freakin preposterous [TS]

  and like and how often did you have to [TS]

  use compressed air to fix your keyboard [TS]

  I'm the one that you could that you [TS]

  don't like I never write but it feels [TS]

  like mush though right I really do it [TS]

  and I do I I also I want to push back a [TS]

  little bit on what you said about the SD [TS]

  card slot also because you know it seems [TS]

  like one of the counter arguments to [TS]

  this or one of the general arguments in [TS]

  support of the new direction Apple's [TS]

  taken is you know the whole thing about [TS]

  moving forward and everything people [TS]

  always say well if we dabble didn't move [TS]

  forward we'd still have VGA ports and [TS]

  guess what the world does still have EGA [TS]

  ports I believe I made that exact [TS]

  argument right you're not the only one [TS]

  but like the there there seems to be [TS]

  like a few like like brain virus themes [TS]

  among defenders where they repeat back [TS]

  some kind of dogma that doesn't actually [TS]

  apply very well or is not a very good [TS]

  argument and you know the the imac going [TS]

  all USB is a great one which doesn't [TS]

  apply at all because that was one [TS]

  desktop going all USB a consumer level [TS]

  one no less in a lineup that had plenty [TS]

  of other options that didn't go all USB [TS]

  and also it went all us being it was a [TS]

  big problem [TS]

  hidden away and then future versions [TS]

  added back a lot of ports that weren't [TS]

  you that's B so that's that's of one bad [TS]

  example there were you know other ones [TS]

  you know things like like VGA ports you [TS]

  know well VGA ports like people still [TS]

  complain well yeah you know what VGA [TS]

  ports are still around because they're [TS]

  still unwanted projectors and stuff and [TS]

  that's reality that's fine you know [TS]

  there's all sorts of bad examples but I [TS]

  think one of the thought viruses that [TS]

  that is common among Apple defenders is [TS]

  that if something is not used very often [TS]

  but or by a large percentage of people [TS]

  it should be removed that that the [TS]

  removal in and of itself is progress and [TS]

  that's not always the case you know [TS]

  there like every Apple product every [TS]

  desktop every laptop every phone I have [TS]

  ever owned has features on it that I [TS]

  have never used for instance on my [TS]

  macbook pro on all MacBook Pros [TS]

  including the current ones I never use [TS]

  the front-facing camera for anything [TS]

  ever I don't take selfies and if I'm [TS]

  going to use FaceTime I use it on my [TS]

  phone or my or an iPad I never use the [TS]

  front-facing camera on a Mac for [TS]

  anything but it has them should they [TS]

  remove the front-facing camera because I [TS]

  don't use it [TS]

  no because its presence there doesn't [TS]

  affect me in any way it's an inexpensive [TS]

  part very expensive example never [TS]

  updates them in there they're always [TS]

  terrible oh it's an inexpensive part it [TS]

  doesn't add a meaningful amount of size [TS]

  or weight or technical complexity in a [TS]

  way that gets in my way at all and for [TS]

  the few people who do use them it's [TS]

  there and if I ever really need it it's [TS]

  there for me too so even if I think I'll [TS]

  never use it it's there similarly I [TS]

  never use video output on my laptops [TS]

  because that's just on how I use laptops [TS]

  I don't have to connect into projectors [TS]

  really ever and I don't use it at home [TS]

  like that and so I don't need I don't [TS]

  need I never used the HDMI port on my [TS]

  laptops before when they still had those [TS]

  and with the new ones I never use video [TS]

  output on them either should they remove [TS]

  it because not a lot of people use it [TS]

  because it doesn't get in the way at all [TS]

  it doesn't matter at all that I never [TS]

  use it it's not a problem in my life at [TS]

  all if I ever need it it's there and [TS]

  it's there without me having to buy [TS]

  anything so like if I happen to be like [TS]

  in a hotel room or something and all of [TS]

  a sudden oh crap I have a quick need to [TS]

  show something for my laptop on this TV [TS]

  that has an HDMI port I can just take a [TS]

  regular HDMI cable it's probably already [TS]

  behind the TV unplug it from whatever [TS]

  garbage DVD player that's already there [TS]

  and plugs my laptop and haven't and I [TS]

  didn't need to go to an Apple store and [TS]

  buy a dongle I can use what I already [TS]

  have and that will probably suffice that [TS]

  is called versatility so when you when a [TS]

  computer has things on it that you might [TS]

  not think you need it there is still [TS]

  value to have them be available just in [TS]

  case you do need them sometime and as [TS]

  long as they are not really getting in [TS]

  the way like it was not necessary when [TS]

  designing the 2012 MacBook Pro to get [TS]

  rid of all these ports for like fitness [TS]

  or lightness reasons or anything else [TS]

  they're all pretty thin they're all [TS]

  pretty light they don't add a lot of [TS]

  cost or complexity or anything else that [TS]

  left them in because people use them [TS]

  sometimes on the new ones I don't know [TS]

  the details of exactly what would have [TS]

  fit in the slightly thinner case by the [TS]

  way using the old one don't notice the [TS]

  thickness difference at all don't notice [TS]

  the weight difference at all but that's [TS]

  fine you might that's good for you in [TS]

  the new ones wouldn't have killed them [TS]

  could they have included an SD card slot [TS]

  for people who use that and need that I [TS]

  think they probably could could they [TS]

  have included any other ports I think [TS]

  probably yes [TS]

  they didn't as a feature because this [TS]

  the thinking that removing things is [TS]

  itself a feature has infected Apple to [TS]

  the highest levels in addition to the [TS]

  Apple defenders so now Apple views it as [TS]

  progress or courage whatever word they [TS]

  want to use and all the defenders [TS]

  support this that removing things is [TS]

  itself a commendable thing and it's [TS]

  quote moving forward which is a [TS]

  meaningless phrase moving forward only [TS]

  means doing what we did this year like [TS]

  it's not there is no such thing like [TS]

  moving forward suggests there's like a [TS]

  certain like there's one future that [TS]

  you're moving towards inevitably [TS]

  that's not true at all like you create [TS]

  that future anyway that's that's a BS [TS]

  phrase it bothers me but the idea that [TS]

  removing things is itself something that [TS]

  we should do as soon as we can we should [TS]

  drop things as soon as we can that's not [TS]

  true for everything and I think the more [TS]

  high-end and pro you get with computing [TS]

  gear the less true that becomes because [TS]

  what pros need is not only for their [TS]

  gear including their keyboards to work [TS]

  incredibly reliably as reliably as [TS]

  possible but also pros need that [TS]

  versatility pros need the idea that if [TS]

  you're gonna be traveling somewhere with [TS]

  your gear or on some are honest set or [TS]

  instrument production environment and [TS]

  something comes up that you didn't [TS]

  foresee and because you didn't foresee [TS]

  it you probably don't have the right [TS]

  dongle if it's true Pro gear it will try [TS]

  to accommodate as many of those [TS]

  situations as possible [TS]

  that's what pros actually need an apple [TS]

  has been great at doing that in the past [TS]

  and now they're really taking I think a [TS]

  pretty quick nosedive in that area and I [TS]

  really really love so much of the old [TS]

  one because it has so much of his [TS]

  versatility and the new one took us such [TS]

  a stark change such a rapid turn in the [TS]

  other direction that's why I bugs me so [TS]

  much see you know I understand [TS]

  everything you just said and I can't [TS]

  with an honest heart sit here and say [TS]

  you're wrong but I can say I look at it [TS]

  differently you said just a moment ago [TS]

  if it's true boat ProGear it will try to [TS]

  accommodate as many of these situations [TS]

  these basically oh crap situations as [TS]

  possible there is a very compelling [TS]

  argument that you just made that the [TS]

  best way to do that is to have as many [TS]

  ports as possible on that device and as [TS]

  many different kinds of ports as [TS]

  possible on that device but another [TS]

  approach is what if you had one port [TS]

  that can do anything in which case yes [TS]

  you're right Marko that I would have to [TS]

  carry an HDMI dongle with me full-stop [TS]

  there's nothing I can do to argue that [TS]

  fact and buy one for $80 and by oh I [TS]

  didn't pay 80 for mine but you're still [TS]

  more right than you are wrong yeah I [TS]

  would have to buy one [TS]

  but the fact of the matter is for any [TS]

  situation that I Casey could possibly [TS]

  face any situation that I would that I [TS]

  would want to be prepared for I have [TS]

  three different USBC things that I would [TS]

  need to carry with me none of which are [TS]

  particularly large one of them is triple [TS]

  old USB and Ethernet one of them is HDMI [TS]

  and pass through USB C and by the way [TS]

  has a old usb on it and what was the [TS]

  other one shoot [TS]

  oh they the USB Sita lightning adapter [TS]

  which truth be told I could just use one [TS]

  of the dongles and in a traditional [TS]

  cable so I think the problem is is that [TS]

  your perception of versatility is [TS]

  requiring nothing but the device in my I [TS]

  shouldn't say that that I don't agree [TS]

  with that I'm implying I don't agree [TS]

  with you I do agree with you but another [TS]

  perception of versatility is we have one [TS]

  port that can do friggin anything it can [TS]

  do anything so if you need an SD card [TS]

  reader Marco and actually I do and come [TS]

  to think of it maybe that would be [TS]

  number four dongle number for like cats [TS]

  you think you have two and then [TS]

  eventually it may be more like rabbits [TS]

  than cats but but you know what I mean [TS]

  like a finding this SD card reader then [TS]

  fine I pay ten dollars or 12 or whatever [TS]

  wasn't mana price to get one but for [TS]

  Aaron who doesn't need one she doesn't [TS]

  have to have one her computer has one I [TS]

  know you know what I'm saying though you [TS]

  know what I'm saying and so it what was [TS]

  the other one oh like Ethernet ports [TS]

  like no normal human needs Ethernet [TS]

  ports anymore I do because I'm a weirdo [TS]

  you do because you're a weirdo but no [TS]

  normal human needs Ethernet ports [TS]

  anymore this is where the entire in its [TS]

  gonna write into actually you really do [TS]

  new teeth reports for the Ethernet ports [TS]

  for this then okay fine whatever [TS]

  but I would say most people who buy [TS]

  MacBook Pros don't need Ethernet ports [TS]

  and I think the problem that you and I [TS]

  have is actually the same problem and [TS]

  although we disagree on the best [TS]

  possible mechanism for fixing the [TS]

  problem I think I share most [TS]

  of your complaints and I think that by [TS]

  and large were of the same mind even if [TS]

  we're arguing about the particulars and [TS]

  I think the real honest-to-goodness [TS]

  problem and I read this I'm parroting [TS]

  somebody maybe it was you for all I know [TS]

  but somebody said to me Mary was John [TS]

  somebody said recently the problem is [TS]

  the lack of diversity in the lineup that [TS]

  Jason's no there oh is that who it was [TS]

  okay thank you there's no like 17-inch [TS]

  aircraft carrier option and I bring that [TS]

  up not because I think 17 inches is the [TS]

  right answer although here again all the [TS]

  fanboys for the 17 are gonna come out of [TS]

  the woodwork but there's no way for you [TS]

  to get the Mac Pro god help me laptop's [TS]

  right there's no way for you to say [TS]

  money be damned maybe even portability [TS]

  be damned maybe I want the most flexible [TS]

  versatile device I can get by both [TS]

  definitions I want a couple of USB C [TS]

  ports I want a couple of USB whatever [TS]

  the hell the old one is I want a seat I [TS]

  want SD card reader he'll give me a [TS]

  thicker computer so I can have onboard [TS]

  Ethernet I'll take it whatever and I [TS]

  think the problem is that there's no [TS]

  option for that and so I think it would [TS]

  make all of us feel better if there was [TS]

  an option because at least then we could [TS]

  say you know what I really don't want to [TS]

  have to buy the aircraft carrier laptop [TS]

  but it's worth it to me because I want [TS]

  all of these things and that's what [TS]

  stinks and I think that and it might [TS]

  have been you that said months ago the [TS]

  problem with one of the problems with [TS]

  MacBook Pro is that pro implies things [TS]

  but the reality of the situation is the [TS]

  MacBook Pro is the every person computer [TS]

  unless you want an adorable which I [TS]

  would argue is a much more niche device [TS]

  or a MacBook Air of course but does that [TS]

  make sense like the MacBook Pro is [TS]

  covering college students who are doing [TS]

  nothing but Google Docs all the way up [TS]

  through you know people are doing Final [TS]

  Cut Pro on film sets in and doing 3d [TS]

  rendering your VR development like [TS]

  spoiler VR people can't expect right now [TS]

  with the external GPUs yes I know okay [TS]

  right so I think the problem is what's [TS]

  now had [TS]

  I think a little while ago now was that [TS]

  there are there is no choice and that [TS]

  means that if I want to choose to have [TS]

  more ports or if I want to choose to [TS]

  have a laptop that is actually reliable [TS]

  or a keyboard that's actually reliable [TS]

  I'm screwed because I got nothing it's [TS]

  then I'm good buying a think pad and [TS]

  that's not a fun place to be [TS]

  or 2015 which is still a valid choice [TS]

  they won't be in forever but right now [TS]

  adays yeah no I mean that's that's all [TS]

  very very fair and and I will say also [TS]

  you know to to defend to refute [TS]

  something which you didn't quite argue [TS]

  but that people will hear in your [TS]

  argument and will argue with me against [TS]

  it [TS]

  sorry USBC can be great you had the the [TS]

  idea of having versatile USB seaports on [TS]

  a laptop is is great and you're right [TS]

  that USB C port scan offer a great [TS]

  degree of versatility my problem with [TS]

  USB C one of my problems the USB see a [TS]

  whole article about some other ones but [TS]

  one of my problems with USB C is that I [TS]

  don't think that I don't think the [TS]

  ecosystem is ready for that to be our [TS]

  only port I think I think the the last [TS]

  year or so has has really supported that [TS]

  view that the ecosystem just is not [TS]

  there and it's going to be maybe be a [TS]

  few more years before it's there and one [TS]

  of the counter-arguments I've heard over [TS]

  the last few days about this is Apple [TS]

  needed to do this because it would push [TS]

  the industry to finally make more USB C [TS]

  peripherals just like the iMac push them [TS]

  to make USB peripherals to things a the [TS]

  iMac didn't push them to make USB [TS]

  peripherals the iMac wasn't that popular [TS]

  relative to the entire world of pcs the [TS]

  entire world of pcs was already making [TS]

  USB peripherals they were going to make [TS]

  them anyway and it just so happened the [TS]

  Mac benefited from some of them with the [TS]

  iMac secondly the the the idea that [TS]

  Apple going all USB C will push the [TS]

  energy to make USB C peripherals that's [TS]

  a great theory so far that hasn't [TS]

  happened [TS]

  the original USB see MacBook the map [TS]

  book 1 slash adorable slash 12-inch came [TS]

  out now but two and a half years ago [TS]

  that would that was the first Mac with [TS]

  you it with USB C port and MacBook Pros [TS]

  went all USB C now a little over a year [TS]

  ago [TS]

  and we still have a fair [TS]

  immature fairly incomplete and fairly [TS]

  unreliable selection of USBC gear out [TS]

  there it's still a really immature and [TS]

  inconsistent market that has a lot of [TS]

  big holes in it I don't think that the [TS]

  industry has been forced by Apple to [TS]

  make great stuff the reality is there's [TS]

  a lot of media crap and some of its good [TS]

  most of it isn't [TS]

  I think if Apple would have continued to [TS]

  ship old ports alongside USBC basically [TS]

  like if you SBC ports became the new [TS]

  Thunderbolt ports where most Apple [TS]

  laptops would have two of them along [TS]

  with other ones you know maybe it meet [TS]

  you know me and maybe you can keep maybe [TS]

  even have for them on the on a MacBook [TS]

  Pro on the fifth the big ones you know [TS]

  and and because you know you can do that [TS]

  there they're pretty small there you [TS]

  know they have very high technical needs [TS]

  you know the idea that all of them can [TS]

  be charging ports and Thunderbolt ports [TS]

  means that Apple pretty much can't make [TS]

  say a 15-inch with six of them are eight [TS]

  of them because they can do too much you [TS]

  know whereas like the old ones you can [TS]

  connect a total of more devices before [TS]

  you have to go to dongles or hubs [TS]

  because some of those ports are pretty [TS]

  simple to add there you know that [TS]

  they're pretty low needs dumb ports on [TS]

  the old ones but when every single port [TS]

  you add has to be able to charge the [TS]

  computer and be a thunderbolt port by [TS]

  your own design you can't have as many [TS]

  of them that you know that you run into [TS]

  issues with maximum bandwidth on the [TS]

  Thunderbolt controllers you know [TS]

  chipsets costs running wires etc so I [TS]

  think the better way to do this [TS]

  transition would have been you know have [TS]

  an actual transition happen not just [TS]

  like jumping to the deep end with all [TS]

  USBC to have an intermediary generation [TS]

  or at least like a high-end model like [TS]

  at least the 15-inch where there's more [TS]

  room for things and more budget for [TS]

  things have an intermediate where like [TS]

  you basically have some of the old ports [TS]

  and an SD card reader and some like that [TS]

  and then you you have replaced [TS]

  thunderbolt ports with USBC ports that [TS]

  would have been great if that laptop [TS]

  would ever exist from Apple that would [TS]

  have a high chance of being the best [TS]

  laptop ever be [TS]

  because then you have all the [TS]

  versatility of USBC you have the higher [TS]

  bandwidth for the higher you know needs [TS]

  of it for things like 5k displays that [TS]

  would be awesome but then you don't have [TS]

  to I don't think I think in this world I [TS]

  don't think you have to give up the [TS]

  versatility of having one or two USB a [TS]

  ports on there also and having an SD [TS]

  card reader and maybe an HDMI port [TS]

  because these are things that are either [TS]

  difficult clunky or unreliable to do [TS]

  with adapters and dongles so far that [TS]

  would have been a very different [TS]

  reception to this machine I think than [TS]

  what we actually got John you've been [TS]

  quiet I did already talked a lot about [TS]

  this today's episode of upgrade I [TS]

  haven't more in-depth commentary for me [TS]

  on this but I did one thing I didn't [TS]

  talk about specifically about this [TS]

  article is and I just scroll through it [TS]

  again to see if I was mistaken [TS]

  I seem to have recalled something in the [TS]

  article it's not actually there but I [TS]

  think it's kind of implied and this is [TS]

  not really the substance of what you're [TS]

  talking about so I apologize but like [TS]

  the title is the best laps I've ever [TS]

  made and the the implied thing that I [TS]

  thought was there but doesn't seem to be [TS]

  is that part of what makes it the best [TS]

  is what Marco has talked about before [TS]

  they're like it's not actually that much [TS]

  slower than the current ones because [TS]

  Intel's progress on their laptop CPUs [TS]

  hasn't been that great and because you [TS]

  know like think it's not it doesn't feel [TS]

  like you're using an old computer and [TS]

  part of that like that's what I'm [TS]

  wrapping up this like okay well I can [TS]

  see where you come from this article [TS]

  because if that's part of your [TS]

  definition what that does is it excludes [TS]

  all the other laptops it excludes the [TS]

  power book 101 70 it excludes the wall [TS]

  street's it excludes the Thai book it [TS]

  excludes the 13-inch MacBook Air because [TS]

  all those are really old and really slow [TS]

  by modern standards or don't have Retina [TS]

  screen so don't have color screens or [TS]

  whatever the case may be right and if [TS]

  you narrow your definition in that way [TS]

  the only real contenders are the other [TS]

  laptops that can kind of hang with the [TS]

  modern ones so that's basically just [TS]

  this generation which Apple still sells [TS]

  and maybe one generation before you can [TS]

  make some arguments for depending on how [TS]

  you're going to do trade-offs or [TS]

  whatever and [TS]

  I think that narrowing of the definition [TS]

  is lessens the idea that this is the [TS]

  best laptop ever made because if I'm [TS]

  thinking of the best laptop I read I'm [TS]

  not going to put that qualifier on I'm [TS]

  not gonna say I don't by the way it has [TS]

  to be like something that is that I [TS]

  could reasonably use today and it [TS]

  wouldn't feel slow because that includes [TS]

  too many great laptops and then you know [TS]

  if and I think most people took that [TS]

  implicit framing right because if they [TS]

  didn't everyone would be you know bullet [TS]

  coming out of the woodwork and saying [TS]

  that their old favorite laptop from like [TS]

  20 years ago or something right it's the [TS]

  best one arguably to think that people [TS]

  are actually doing that but modern thing [TS]

  pads are really as great as whatever one [TS]

  they're trying to decide I have no idea [TS]

  they're not even though I would probably [TS]

  go for like the 2011 ish 13-inch MacBook [TS]

  Air as a better overall laptop this one [TS]

  big is this 15-inch like you know you've [TS]

  heard my complaint said before but like [TS]

  design wise like the keyboard is too [TS]

  small the the arrow keys should be [TS]

  full-sized not like the current ones but [TS]

  like an actual inverted T that Dix tends [TS]

  downward from the keyboard like it is [TS]

  very wide at large and not particularly [TS]

  portable as far as portables go and I [TS]

  just feel like the 13-inch air is a [TS]

  better laptop but you're not gonna use a [TS]

  13-inch air to get your job done today [TS]

  it is slower and it's worse and it's [TS]

  non-retina and it's just you know it's [TS]

  not a better laptop in this but if you [TS]

  do best ever made you know so that is [TS]

  anyway that is more of a meta issue that [TS]

  I think you know I think most people [TS]

  took it in the spirit that Marko [TS]

  intended it but the the title doesn't [TS]

  doesn't reflect that and that the spirit [TS]

  Marko intended it excludes [TS]

  uh you know saves him from a lot of [TS]

  criticism that would be warranted if the [TS]

  scope was widened up because honestly I [TS]

  don't think this laptop in the in the [TS]

  pantheon of Apple laptops is the best [TS]

  one or two or three like it's maybe in [TS]

  the top five really but you know it [TS]

  really depends like I was never I was [TS]

  never in love with this model of laptop [TS]

  and I there are a lot of things about it [TS]

  that are suboptimal it only really [TS]

  shines when you consider that hey it's [TS]

  still a pretty great laptop and when and [TS]

  when you you know whether again implied [TS]

  and that supposedly stated when you [TS]

  start to compare it to [TS]

  the 2016-2017 months because I don't [TS]

  think those laptop struck a good balance [TS]

  and I don't think a lot of people really [TS]

  love them and I think the touch bar is [TS]

  kind of a dud and all the things that we [TS]

  talked about a million times that that's [TS]

  sort of the opposite of reflected glory [TS]

  like you know as compared to the current [TS]

  line suddenly this 2015 looks a hell of [TS]

  a lot better and I feel like that sort [TS]

  of the opposite of the basking in the [TS]

  reflected glory like I'd be basking in [TS]

  the reflected crappiness of the the [TS]

  modern ones is what makes this laptop [TS]

  seem so great so I think this is more [TS]

  like how Marco has found love with it [TS]

  with an older computer it's really not [TS]

  that much older but is less about in the [TS]

  pantheon of all laptops or even just all [TS]

  Apple portables how great this one [TS]

  particular model is because there there [TS]

  are many things to not recommend this [TS]

  model and when I look at it all I can [TS]

  see is all the things I've always [TS]

  complained about it that I just feel [TS]

  like this exact laptop could have been [TS]

  better with all the same features but [TS]

  but that's not what we're talking about [TS]

  here that sometimes already get hung up [TS]

  on that but that's this that's what I [TS]

  came away from sorry the larger point [TS]

  about the balance being struck what I'm [TS]

  you know the mark I said before that so [TS]

  many people agree with it the main thing [TS]

  I am i I kind of can't get past is the [TS]

  idea that like so many so many of the [TS]

  people so often when you complain about [TS]

  a product like I don't know what Apple [TS]

  should have done instead but I don't [TS]

  like this one and it's not really [TS]

  helpful and it's kind of apples job to [TS]

  figure out like you know it's not it's [TS]

  not customers job to tell Apple exactly [TS]

  what to do they just can be satisfied or [TS]

  not satisfied and their customer sad [TS]

  about their but in the case of the new [TS]

  laptops I think people who have [TS]

  complaints know exactly what they [TS]

  specifically want that like that it [TS]

  would be so easy to make a laptop that [TS]

  was satisfied all the people who were [TS]

  dissatisfied with the current one like [TS]

  and maybe it's 17 different laptops from [TS]

  17 different people but there's no [TS]

  mystery like and you know just you know [TS]

  experience of dealing with this input [TS]

  and going conference rooms if you're in [TS]

  a conference room every single day and [TS]

  you constantly have to deal with that [TS]

  dongle to plug in HDMI all people are [TS]

  not there's no mystery they say put an [TS]

  HDMI port on right yep I would be [TS]

  I you know can you make this computer [TS]

  better put max iPhone app an HDMI port [TS]

  an SD part like and throw that in front [TS]

  of all these people actually that would [TS]

  probably be enough it really and they'll [TS]

  be like well you know I don't use the [TS]

  HDMI but I care about the SD I don't use [TS]

  the SD but I care about the HDMI I don't [TS]

  really care about mac safe but I would [TS]

  like it's so easy to just say you like [TS]

  it's not a mystery what you need to do [TS]

  Apple make it slightly different [TS]

  slightly different feature set like [TS]

  Marco said you don't have to have all [TS]

  the ports but like everyone loves all [TS]

  the USB C and Thunderbolt notes are all [TS]

  great and everything just a few little [TS]

  tweaks here in there and don't make the [TS]

  keyboard so damn small to make me happy [TS]

  and make it more reliable right there [TS]

  close but everybody knows every it's an [TS]

  open secret like how can you make these [TS]

  Wow I wonder how we can make these more [TS]

  appealing we all know how to do it more [TS]

  for the better ports like bigger [TS]

  keyboard arrow keys that are easier to [TS]

  find reliable like it's it's right there [TS]

  and touch bar you know do you need it do [TS]

  you not lead it no one really loves it I [TS]

  don't even know how to go with that and [TS]

  that's what's frustrating normally if [TS]

  people don't like something or it's [TS]

  unsatisfactory in some way they don't [TS]

  know like exactly how to fix it and this [TS]

  the solutions just seems so obvious and [TS]

  not to say that that's what Apple should [TS]

  do because we're always asking up like [TS]

  don't do the obvious thing that people [TS]

  know that they want do the thing they [TS]

  didn't even know they wanted right [TS]

  that's apples job well so I'm not saying [TS]

  how to do it right exactly but but I'm [TS]

  not saying Apple should like oh just [TS]

  just do what people expect right they [TS]

  have to do what people don't expect they [TS]

  have to try to go above beyond they have [TS]

  to you know push the limits with you [TS]

  know touch ID and face ID and all the [TS]

  things they do but when they miss then [TS]

  it starts to feel like oh I wish they [TS]

  had just on the obvious thing all right [TS]

  so what's the solution should they [TS]

  now backpedal into the obvious thing or [TS]

  this should make should they make try [TS]

  number two at the transcendent thing and [TS]

  I think Marcos criticized them a lot in [TS]

  the past of like Apple don't feel like [TS]

  you always have to like every single [TS]

  time be transcendent because we wait too [TS]

  long these big transcendent things and [TS]

  so if you miss one of them nobody wants [TS]

  to wait around for another five years of [TS]

  unsatisfying unreliable laptops that are [TS]

  shaped like this backpedal and do the [TS]

  obvious thing while you regroup you know [TS]

  like [TS]

  and and as I think I said an upgrade [TS]

  they could be doing that right now [TS]

  hardware timelines being [TS]

  hardware timelines being [TS]

  they are there's only so much they can [TS]

  do in response to dissatisfaction and [TS]

  the final thing like we've done in this [TS]

  novel coil but before we get off it is [TS]

  like Apple just reported its results and [TS]

  they're selling a ton of Max and I think [TS]

  they're selling a ton of these laptops [TS]

  and we're just we're back to success [TS]

  Heights problems yeah people have [TS]

  complaints but look at the numbers if if [TS]

  the metrics you're looking at don't [TS]

  reflect the supposed to dissatisfaction [TS]

  then either we're all wrong and we're in [TS]

  the minority and Apple is on the right [TS]

  path and everything will be fine or [TS]

  they're measuring things the wrong way [TS]

  so I I you know I think based on vague [TS]

  hints from the roundtable that I [TS]

  continue to read things into that Mac [TS]

  roundtable that and the fact that they [TS]

  did try to adjust the keyboard and the [TS]

  fact that the keyboards really do appear [TS]

  to have reliability problems that Apple [TS]

  will do something and make different [TS]

  decisions about the next major revision [TS]

  to the laptop line not just putting [TS]

  rubber gaskets in the keys because [TS]

  that's all they can do in the time [TS]

  allotted to them but in whatever the [TS]

  next round of MacBook Pros that come out [TS]

  that actually get to meaningfully [TS]

  incorporate the the feedback that we [TS]

  feel like we're all providing and that [TS]

  people may be providing with all their [TS]

  lives in different services whatever [TS]

  that I think Apple will make different [TS]

  choices and I think they will make [TS]

  adjustments that make these more [TS]

  satisfactory and perhaps will make Marco [TS]

  revisit whether this 2015 computer is [TS]

  indeed the best laptop that Apple ever [TS]

  can make because like he said he really [TS]

  hopes that that's not the case and I [TS]

  think it won't be the case he just needs [TS]

  to wait a little bit longer all right [TS]

  thanks for sponsors this week simple [TS]

  contacts Squarespace and betterment and [TS]

  they will see you next week [TS]

  now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

  mean to begin because it was accidental [TS]

  oh it was accidental [TS]

  johnny research Marco and Casey wouldn't [TS]

  let him because it was accidentally was [TS]

  accidental today CAS II WA L is s so [TS]

  that's Casey less and a are Co AR m and [TS]

  T Marco Arment SI r AC Syracuse [TS]

  I think we have one obvious choice for [TS]

  the after show what is up with this [TS]

  Tesla Roadster yeah [TS]

  actually honestly I think the semi it [TS]

  might be the more interesting one but [TS]

  you're wrong about that the semi is now [TS]

  this morning I mean maybe more impactful [TS]

  or maybe they're both vaporware but the [TS]

  Tesla Roadster is obviously much more [TS]

  exciting [TS]

  so no snark or joke intended can you set [TS]

  up for me what this event was because I [TS]

  had heard that there was going to be a [TS]

  Tesla event but I really honestly didn't [TS]

  know much about it and I don't follow [TS]

  Tesla that closely so I don't I don't [TS]

  have a good feel for what the [TS]

  significance of this event was John D I [TS]

  mean I I don't honestly I don't follow [TS]

  them that closely I don't I never watch [TS]

  their events live because I find them a [TS]

  little bit insufferable that's oh I just [TS]

  kind of see we know what news comes out [TS]

  of them afterwards so this was as far as [TS]

  I know this was an event ostensibly to [TS]

  reveal the Tesla semi truck and then the [TS]

  Roadster I think was the one more thing [TS]

  even though it has been kind of teased [TS]

  for a little while but no one really [TS]

  knew anything about it yet yeah that's [TS]

  my impression do I also don't follow [TS]

  that closely but yeah this was a semi [TS]

  event but I wasn't shocked to see the [TS]

  Roadster because has been like an open [TS]

  secret for such a long time the Roadster [TS]

  was their first car and you know they're [TS]

  gonna revisit that it seemed like an [TS]

  obvious thing they were going to do and [TS]

  guess what they did it and yeah so I [TS]

  didn't watch it live you there I just [TS]

  caught the news after the fact but I [TS]

  think it's I think it's interesting [TS]

  because if you said oh Tesla is gonna do [TS]

  a roadster that makes perfect sense they [TS]

  make a big four-door sedan and they make [TS]

  a smaller four-door sedan and the [TS]

  original car was the Roadster and it's [TS]

  obvious that there's probably a market [TS]

  for a sporty car and so here is their [TS]

  sporty car but I was surprised at [TS]

  exactly the form this sporty car took in [TS]

  many respects like so it's called the [TS]

  Roadster but yeah it's it's not a t-top [TS]

  but there's not much air above your head [TS]

  like just before I even think about what [TS]

  this car does if you look at it [TS]

  more like a coupe with a section of the [TS]

  roof that comes off and I feel like the [TS]

  sort of open air that's not unusual [TS]

  that's like Porsche was huge into that [TS]

  think of even thinking I know it's more [TS]

  like a targets Leslie even the Boxster [TS]

  has more open air let alone like a you [TS]

  know a proper convertible right so it is [TS]

  it feels less open than I would have [TS]

  expected it to be it looks just more [TS]

  like a coupe and so it'd be have to call [TS]

  it roadster because you know the first [TS]

  thing was called the roadster and [TS]

  there's like the family thing or [TS]

  whatever but what they've essentially [TS]

  made is like you said like a target type [TS]

  of thing which is fine it just doesn't [TS]

  match with the name and the second thing [TS]

  I was surprised by was like it's not [TS]

  just like oh here's a sporty er you know [TS]

  it's a two-door sporty version so you [TS]

  don't have to have a big family sedan [TS]

  it's a kind of a fun sporty car seem [TS]

  like in typical Tesla fashion they were [TS]

  going for the jugular and saying no no [TS]

  you don't understand we're making a [TS]

  hyper car look at these numbers right [TS]

  250 mile an hour plus top speed which is [TS]

  pretty impressive even for hyper cars [TS]

  because they generally then tend to go [TS]

  for a downforce and the cost of top [TS]

  speed unless you're talking about the [TS]

  Veyron or something or the cheer on or [TS]

  whatever the new one is 0c in 1.9 [TS]

  seconds which is a very typical Elon [TS]

  Musk II kind of number that I don't [TS]

  doubt this car can hit but you know they [TS]

  just wanted to have a number with a 1 in [TS]

  front of it for the shock value is it [TS]

  necessary and then the price like is you [TS]

  know 250 grand or whatever it is like [TS]

  it's not like oh it's a sporty car it's [TS]

  like no here's our competitor - you know [TS]

  the p1 or the laferrari or all you know [TS]

  the the Porsche 918 only it's and it's [TS]

  got an open top on it and the range by [TS]

  the way is 600 miles it's like it's like [TS]

  they I'm almost surprised it doesn't go [TS]

  faster than their era I put it that way [TS]

  I mean something surprising to me that [TS]

  they didn't say and by the way top speed [TS]

  is 327 miles an hour because why not [TS]

  like Indian must fashion this must be [TS]

  the best car human beings have ever made [TS]

  it is faster goes longer you know this [TS]

  is everything you know like pulls 3.0 [TS]

  G's [TS]

  detaches your retinas goes off the line [TS]

  and I feel like that's Oh like I don't I [TS]

  don't know I'm not sure like this [TS]

  this car is writing checks that Tesla [TS]

  probably can't cash because oh but it [TS]

  gets worse though Elon Musk on the 18th [TS]

  of November should clarify that this is [TS]

  the base model performance there will be [TS]

  a special edition pack a special option [TS]

  package that takes it to the next level [TS]

  yeah and I think I complained in the [TS]

  neutral thing of like all right so see [TS]

  you want to make a hyper car maybe not [TS]

  the way I would have gone I would've [TS]

  just made a sporty car they cost 80 [TS]

  grand and you sell a lot of those and it [TS]

  would be great and people would like [TS]

  them but fine you want to make like a [TS]

  hyper car type thing there's more to [TS]

  hyper cars than these particular numbers [TS]

  you put down most again most of the [TS]

  reason the hyper car is that you know [TS]

  top gear whatever had competing tow the [TS]

  reason they don't go as fast as the [TS]

  Veyron they consciously trade that for [TS]

  downforce and handling because they're [TS]

  trying to go around a track quickly and [TS]

  when I see a 620 mile range I think is [TS]

  this a five thousand five hundred pound [TS]

  hyper car because once you start trying [TS]

  to turn five thousand five hundred [TS]

  pounds around a track suddenly all the [TS]

  power in the world is not really helping [TS]

  you because you've got this big problem [TS]

  this huge amount of momentum going into [TS]

  every single turn [TS]

  and so I I feel like this car is not [TS]

  going to be able to compete with a [TS]

  Porsche 918 our life or our ear p1 it's [TS]

  gonna get left behind on anything except [TS]

  for a straight line and then so what is [TS]

  the market for this car people who only [TS]

  care about numbers but who never turn [TS]

  like do you just want to make an [TS]

  electric dragster because you can make [TS]

  one of those it it seems like a a [TS]

  strangely misguided car in a way that [TS]

  both the Model S in the model 3 are not [TS]

  the Model X is kind of misguided because [TS]

  of the stupid doors but I'm not sure I'm [TS]

  not sure they've even if they hit all [TS]

  their numbers and this car is exactly [TS]

  what they say it is I'm not sure it is a [TS]

  car that makes sense in the price point [TS]

  and market in which it competes like if [TS]

  I had 250 grand and I had to choose [TS]

  between this and any of the other hyper [TS]

  cars I would choose any of the hyper [TS]

  cars and heartbeat even if this is you [TS]

  know faster on the dragster [TS]

  or whatever just because it doesn't it [TS]

  doesn't seem to deliver what is required [TS]

  to compete in in that price range and [TS]

  that stretch and you know I like I said [TS]

  in furthermore I don't think Tesla [TS]

  needed to compete in this price range [TS]

  seems like it seems like an ego exercise [TS]

  they should have just made the you know [TS]

  yeah exactly it's it's on brand but like [TS]

  but the Model S is so sensible [TS]

  it's got it's got some so much room it's [TS]

  so like the packaging is so efficient [TS]

  it's got the seats in the back it's you [TS]

  know it's got all the safety stuff even [TS]

  the model three so so reasonable you can [TS]

  make a really good sporty electric car [TS]

  for 80 grand Porsche was gonna make one [TS]

  like it all there's gonna be a hundred [TS]

  and forty five but Debbie's gonna make [TS]

  them like people are gonna make sport [TS]

  that Tesla's just gotta go know like [TS]

  this will destroy your body and liquify [TS]

  your organs just don't turn so much so [TS]

  you're unimpressed no I'm impressed [TS]

  technically or whatever it just seems [TS]

  like such a weird like I would not have [TS]

  predicted this if you said what do you [TS]

  think it's gonna be like there's no way [TS]

  in hell I would have said oh it's gonna [TS]

  be 250 grand have a six hundred mile [TS]

  range go over 250 miles an hour because [TS]

  none of those specs I [TS]

  I wouldn't even target them like why [TS]

  even target them the base model 0-60 in [TS]

  1.9 seconds like oh god I don't and [TS]

  maybe maybe the eel Hans goal is [TS]

  eventually to make a car that will kill [TS]

  him like literally kill him like he'll [TS]

  as he ages and his cars get faster it [TS]

  would just you know press his heart [TS]

  against the back of his ribcage until it [TS]

  explodes and then finally he will have [TS]

  achieved what you know yeah so Marco has [TS]

  an owner what is this does this Rev your [TS]

  engine hahaha or are you kind of [TS]

  whatever about it well when I when I [TS]

  first like was aware that they were [TS]

  teasing a new roadster I thought that [TS]

  might be kind of fun like as a future [TS]