Roderick on the Line

00:00:01 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► hello hi John I'm Merlin how's it going [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► oh pretty good we should make an accent [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► and stick to it [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► okay nothing like lips no it's not I [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► feel overwhelmed yeah you're doing lots [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► of things right well but it's just the [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► hecticness more than anything I mean you [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► know I feel yeah I feel like I'm doing [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► stuff but I'm also just like come on [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► poof [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► ain't it does not be doing something for [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► a while I need a vacation but like just [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► like if if I do just the stuff that I [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► have to do for my quote unquote job it's [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► it's more there's more to it then one [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► would realize mm-hmm now this is just [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► asking for pity or something but like [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► you know it takes time to you make the [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► show you just do the show art no I don't [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► I don't expect you to and it's a nice [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► job I really like it [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► that's not all with that all stacks up [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► in and an you account for brushing hair [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► and getting to school finishing the [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► poster and things like that [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► but then you get stuff for you got to [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► reschedule things and you get a holiday [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► oh boy you know damn Benjamin hates [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► holidays is that right [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► you never heard talk about that no I [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► don't let him talk no that's probably [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► good but you know it's uh you know it's [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► a it's a good kind of hectic I suppose [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► uh he doesn't like holidays how do you [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► feel about holidays Travis voice for [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► that one I feel like my feeling there's [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► somehow okay so first of all my feelings [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► about a given holiday are very very [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► different it's almost a form of [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► synesthesia or like there's some people [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► who can like smell colors or like when [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► they when they hear a note it makes them [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► think of a word or something like that [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► I taste taste you know how you have a [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► shape of the year right right you do [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► taste taste that's the kind of that's [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► kind of sis especia [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► Jesus fuck oh my coffee is still going [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► straight you hear that bubbling that's [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► my coffee [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► oh right when you said I need to make [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► coffee I pictured you using a coffee pot [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► but I'm sure you're using some sort of [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► like like moonshine still yes yeah I do [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► use am I have a V I'm like a monster I'm [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► an animal I just have a little little [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► coffee filter plastic coffee filter [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► holder right right it's what it's what [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► some people call poor over I would call [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► it making coffee yeah I mean it's also [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► strange [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► stiva so you were finishing of the year [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► yeah people who listen the program have [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► drawn this it's a difficult thought [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► technology to turn into an artifact but [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► but I have had a similar feeling that a [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► year as a shape to it yeah and I think [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► that it's somewhat related to how I feel [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► about holidays where I have mostly dread [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► about holidays but sometimes I'm excited [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► about it I end up liking Christmas a [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► little bit toward the end but I think [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► Dan's beef is disrupt his work schedule [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► oh but but just kind of my beef a little [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► bit too but yeah you know but it's fun I [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► mean like when you got a kid my age [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► little trips are fun like we'll go [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► somewhere for a couple days it's not [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► like a vacation but should go visit [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► somebody for a couple days and that's [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► actually usually pretty fun she has a [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► capability for joy and she's not totally [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► terrible yet so it's it's a nice I want [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► to really like you know like some people [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► like to sniff a baby's head like I just [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► want to really soak in this period cuz [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► she's gonna hate us so soon no child is [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► different that's what they say that's [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► what they say now whenever whenever I [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► meet somebody that has a teenager I'm [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► always like so is it pretty bad like [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► give me the lowdown right and it's [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► surprising the number of people that say [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► you know what it's not they're you know [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► they're great and I'm like come on come [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► on don't be you know don't be a hero [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► yeah don't be a fool with your life it [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► feels like it's got to be a very [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► challenging letdown [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► yeah also some kids are terrible that's [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► the end of this you [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► yes I mean you know I haven't been [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► around your daughter lately but in both [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► of our cases what at worse their [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► precocious a little precocious [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► precocious no fires being set it's not [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► like we have a boy even boys much oh [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► yeah because I see must see it at school [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► I go to her school and I interact with [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► the kids there yeah so I see them I see [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► them beep boys there's a little boy that [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► that that Marlo kind of counts as one of [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► she doesn't count him as one of the [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► girls but she counts him as one of the [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► people who isn't a monster yeah yeah and [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► and what's funny is that the first time [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► I ever saw this kid I was like oh I like [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► him what's his story you know like I [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► really do engage with him the rest of [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► the little boys are yeah they're awful a [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► child will find a stick and hit a [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► building with it until they're stopped [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► they just hit the building and or it [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► could just be they they find something [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► sharp and just throw it in the air for [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► 45 minutes yeah and then they make that [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► kind of a game and they tear one [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► another's clothes and I don't know I [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► I've come around a little bit on the [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► idea of boys but when like in the [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► preschool and into like the beginning of [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► elementary school the the girls were so [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► interested so much more interested in [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► like social things if they're interested [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► in anything it was like you know how [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► people interact and the little boys were [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► just setting things on fire and turning [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► desks over yeah it's true although now [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► in first grade her stories about her [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► little girlfriends are all about every [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► day the Alliance is chained every day so [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► someone is now like won't play with her [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► and trying to exclude her from games and [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► the next the next day it's like oh no [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► we're friends now and it's this other [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► girl that's trying to trying to keep me [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► out and and and I would listen to her [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► stories and say like let me try and put [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► myself in this situation and you know [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► because I own that the I know there's [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► some Nair [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► raishin bias right always when you're [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► listening to somebody talks you kind of [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► have to try and figure where you know [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► some people have very little bias [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► towards themselves in their own [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► narrative and also the communication [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► skills are weird it's hard to know what [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► actually happened to what didn't happen [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► what you imagined happen what you heard [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► happened it's like it was like reading a [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► William Faulkner novel and particularly [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► like as as we say like she's precocious [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► so I'm trying to picture a situation [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► where she would be excluded that way and [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► now I know the people she's talking [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► about I know the other kids so I'm like [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► hmm okay I can see that from this person [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► that just seems like they have a [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► devilish grin about things and they're [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► but that you know but these other kids [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► seem so incapable of that but then when [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► I when I get when I really get down in [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► the dirt with them yeah it's a constant [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► process of like okay I'm the daughter [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► and you're the dog and there's no [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► there's no mom in this story so I guess [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► you can't play and it's like right why [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► is there no mom the mom died does it [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► need to be this story yeah no but that's [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► but you're also getting at something [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► that like one of the painful early [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► things I mean obviously there are things [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► like there's occasionally hitting or [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► whatever and stuff like that but the one [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► that's painful slow motion ride is you [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► start watching kids discover the power [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► of exclusion and other Ness and I not to [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► get all like you know namby-pamby but [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► like that's kind of how I am but like [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► you see it pretty early on we're like [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► the most natural formation you get as a [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► dyad you get like oh you find somebody [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► that you can hang out with and like you [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► get along and like she has one friend at [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► school like they both like Netflix [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► that's that's that's why they're friends [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► and that's the kind of thing that [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► happens and then that can maybe turn [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► into a triad well you've got three [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► people who are into thinking they're [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► kind of friends but that now you've [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► introduced this weird balance and now [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► you get an out-group and now you get [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► somebody who's stinky today or whatever [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► and somebody who like that's hard that's [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► hard to watch well and I think I think [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► my experience as a kid is that [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► precociousness is [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► is hard for other kids to incorporate [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► and there are there were always kids in [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► my school who were kind of friends with [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► everybody and it's because their [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► personality like code didn't have [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► trouble kind of fitting in and it wasn't [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► that they it wasn't that they were [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► conformist it was that they were [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► good-natured they didn't talk too much [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► they didn't but they didn't talk too [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► little they were physically capable [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► enough that they could play every game [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► and they didn't have like store they [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► didn't have strong opinions or a strong [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► need to be right or a strong like not [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► ego assertive yeah not a sense of like a [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► like an invalid sense of justice they [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► were they were just kind of easy to [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► incorporate and then there were kids and [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► I was one who had too much just [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► something going on and sometimes I was [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► at the center of a game but a lot of [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► times it was like I just priced myself [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► out of interactions with some kids [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► because I couldn't I couldn't tone it [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► down I think I was the same way I mean I [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► would did I I knew how to be funny but I [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► don't think I have particularly good [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► social skills I don't think in the sense [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► that I don't like my daughter has [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► friends even more she's acquaintances [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► who are like like you who is this child [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► especially some of these little girls [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► who are like very calm and they listen [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► and they have converse not not listen as [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► in like yes sir but listen as in hmm you [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► make internet radio why do you need an [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► office for that and I'm like oh that's [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► really a good question that's like what [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► do you do why are you doing that on a [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► Sunday [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► oh well it's that's actually a really [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► good question and they look at you in [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► those turn their head and further brow a [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► little bit like yeah they're they [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► actually want to know why I need an [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► office to make a radio show and I don't [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► really have a good answer for them in [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► that case you know nester tonight see if [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► you ever do this do you do you ever god [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► I hate this in myself do you find [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► yourself lobbying for friendships when [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► you can't work for my own friendships or [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► pick my kid up from aftercare where [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► there's a lot of cool kids and it's kids [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► who aren't in her class but you know in [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► her grade or maybe a great younger and [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► okay you know whoever I'll go you know [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► Wow [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► Wireless seems really cool like what's [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► oh yeah oh you know she's Muslim she's [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► mostly nice I don't talk to her very [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► much like wow she's really cool [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► she does lie about Wolverine if you talk [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► to her she's really my daughter in her [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► class now her class I'm pretty sure [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► teaches a socialist it's super [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► interesting the way she runs the class [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► is very interesting and one other thing [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► one of things they do is they rearrange [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► the tables like somewhat randomly like [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► once a month zero sitting with different [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► people frequently and she deliberately [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► tries to mix it up so yes she doesn't [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► arrange them for each according to their [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► need and and there's the brown table you [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► know you can guess who sits there no but [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► like you know she's like my daughter now [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► identifies this she's at the nice girls [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► table and they have an alliance with the [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► funny boys table over here alliances [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► like that but have you ever done that I [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► find myself lobbying and then I'll keep [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► coming back and I'll go man that Lila is [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► a sharp kid you see her keep that round [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► off that was pretty great you should you [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► know play with Lila uh-uh [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► Nino yeah is Nino is is a small girl [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► that's a sweet name I like that he's [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► beautiful name and I adore her she's got [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► so much personality and she is so like [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► there was a there was a girl at her at [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► my daughter's old school who I also [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► adored but who was visibly a she was [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► visibly trying to undermine other kids [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► and social situation she would pit kids [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► against each other at four years old she [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► would go into situations and just be [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► like I'm friends with you and not with [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► you and then she would go to the other [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► person and say I'm friends with you and [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► not with you mine has a friend friend [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► like that she's playing an ongoing game [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► of diplomacy behind everybody's back it [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► was crazy and I'm you know I'm a [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► grown-up and just by virtue of the fact [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► that I'm that I'm tall I can hear the [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► distance between that group and this [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► group was only 15 feet I just stood in [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► the [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► I could hear her on both sides and I'd [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► be like young lady and she would kind of [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► look up at me with this knowing look of [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► like MA ha ha ha ha [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► so I was a little terrified of her now [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► she's grown she's grown up and has [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► become like a like a gentle child I [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► don't know what she went through [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► yeah the weird thing they change and one [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► year you get one kid who's the crazy kid [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► who I guess since the office in the next [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► year they're like oh she's in theater [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► now she's doing really great yeah she's [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► great but Nino is a constant bugbear for [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► my daughter and and it's always a [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► situation where she's doing something [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► she's doing something and she's trying [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► to you know boss or she's trying to this [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► or that or this or that and I'm always [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► saying like but she seems so nice I know [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► and I get all this pushback and I know [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► she's not nice maybe Nino needs a friend [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► honey maybe you should hang out with her [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► so the thing I know about my kid is that [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► she is she has a very very big she takes [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► up a lot of space right and she doesn't [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► she needs a little bit of coaching to [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► incorporate other people's narratives [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► into her very very large and [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► well-developed narrative about whatever [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► and I think you know just doesn't take [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► I think Nino just doesn't roll over okay [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► and pushes back yeah cuz you know it's [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► socially successful I watch her in the [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► school and people love her and she and I [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► think she and I think they're just at [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► loggerheads about like just simple [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► really simple shit who's deciding what [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► the story is right and so I'm always [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► trying to make this treaty and and the [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► thing about Nino is she likes me so I'm [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► you know so she runs up to me and says [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► hi and we have our little interaction [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► and it's not like you know like I don't [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► watch my kids sit and fume about it she [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► doesn't care but but she doesn't want to [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► invite her to birthday parties like it's [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► very calm that's so interesting we get [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► the same thing here we're like and III [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► idiotic Lea try [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► and drill down a little bit like now I [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► sound like some kind of social worker [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► because I was like oh did did something [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► something happened did they did somebody [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► like her you just like no no it's like [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► you know I don't know what kind of [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► monster I'm gonna create with these [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► kinds of like these sessions that I do [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► can you point to the doll show exclude [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► your narrative where she wouldn't let [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► you be the puppy sometimes you can't be [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► the puppy but you know I think about [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► when I was a little kid and we mainly [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► played media like like I've told you [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► before we played SWAT we played tora [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► tora tora the three-hour Japanese Pearl [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► Harbor movie and we played these things [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► and everybody had these certain things [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► that they liked to do sort of like you [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► wanted to be the English guy with the [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► briefcase full of bombs right [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► everybody's got this role that they want [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► to play and it seems like a big part of [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► that play becomes negotiation about I [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► guess this is obvious but a lot of it [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► becomes negotiation about what it is [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► that we're playing right now what the [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► what the frame and the rules and the [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► tone of what we're doing is I think [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► we've talked about this before but my [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► mom had described that realization she [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► had in the 1980s when she was on when [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► she started to be on the board and she [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► would go to these board meetings for [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► school or for pipeline for the pipeline [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► okay and you know the way the pipeline [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► hierarchy was was that the president and [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► the vice presidents came from the oil [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► companies so they were never the [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► president of Alyeska pipeline was never [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► promoted from within it was always kind [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► of a plum job that you got as you were [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► working your way up in British Petroleum [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► or Arco or you know one of the owner [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► companies you would go and spend two [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► years in Alaska being the president of [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► the of the pipeline and then you would [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► have done your time and then you would [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► go to Scotland or something and [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► eventually you'd work your ways so forth [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► but up to the level of Vice President [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► was all promoted within Alyeska and as [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► my mom was climbing up that ladder and [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► started to be in these rooms she [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► realized about herself and I'm sure you [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► and I have talked to [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► that you she at the very beginning of a [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► meeting would just kind of assert that [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► she was gonna run this meeting and she [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► would do that until she was either [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► running the meeting or someone else had [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► had thwarted her attempt to run the [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► meeting mm-hmm at which point she would [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► sit back in her chair and just try and [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► shoot the guy that was running the [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► meeting down and not not in a way that [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► was you know that that she saw her role [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► as either being running the meeting or [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► being the gadfly she's gonna say keV I [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► am yeah [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► the one that was like uh hmm that's [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► interesting well are you sure about that [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► like not not to not to hurt that person [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► but just that that was what she saw that [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► was what she saw there was a need for [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► right either that either this reason to [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► take up space like she's there to be an [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► active participant in driving this thing [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► forward in a rational way right but [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► never saw herself as a as a member of [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► the of the team of six people that were [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► going to take the information in and [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► then vote on it at the end it was always [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► she needed to be she needed to have this [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► role and it was either to command or to [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► challenge hmm not super interesting yeah [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► and I feel like that is you know that's [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► something baked into people too and and [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► at least so far I don't see it in my kid [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► she if someone says you're not in charge [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► of this game you're the dog she's happy [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► to be the dog but she's gonna really [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► play that dog roll up in terms of how [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► important the dog is to the family [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► dynamic right it's I see if if she is if [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► it's a game where there's a mom and a [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► baby and a dog and she's the baby then [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► the baby is going to be a loud baby [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► and if she's the dog then it's gonna be [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► they're gonna have a real handful of a [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► dog on their hand you know what I mean [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► like they're she's it's never gonna be a [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► narrative where she's the like patient [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► mom going [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► oh come now soon oh hush hush baby just [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► kinda like she's like Jim Belushi she's [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► gonna play this she's chewing up the [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► scene yeah but but it is it has affected [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► my my understanding of being human for [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► sure watching these little humans I mean [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► in a way that you couldn't have he [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► couldn't have known right you couldn't [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► you couldn't have figured it out by [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► watching yourself grow up [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► it really takes watching someone else [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► grow up to like contextualize a lot and [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► it doesn't make my own childhood make [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► any more sense to me but I do but it [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► resonates in my adulthood somehow mm-hmm [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► you know like we we've spent a lot of [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► time going over our childhoods and I [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► kind of came to you know okay a long [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► time ago came to an understanding of [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► what happened to me [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► growing up but I just see all of my [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► adult dynamics played out on the within [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► these playground dynamics and it's like [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► oh yeah it really is like people are [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► people so why should it be that you know [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► the other thing what this is that I mean [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► I think we we've all had that experience [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► where you're describing we've all have [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► that experience of replaying something [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► in our heads and going oh maybe that was [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► different than I expected but like [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► you're also fighting this problem of [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► okay well what if you replayed that in [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► your head when you were 19 and you [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► thought you had it figured out like have [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► you replayed that again since then [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► because who knows what kind of filter [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► you had on at that point I know this is [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► not particularly insightful but like you [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► know it is it is very strange for me [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► it's like as much as I fight it and I [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► totally middle-aged man I still find my [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► own prejudice prejudices about people [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► and their behavior [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► things that I feel like are very much [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► rooted in how I felt like I was treated [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► as a kid played out where I will go like [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► not to my daughter but I'll maybe even [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► say to my wife like oh god what is her [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► deal she says that girl seems like kind [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► of a dick she seems real conniving she [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► wants to exclude people and whatnot and [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► then I'll actually spend some time with [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► the kid and you know what they're a [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► normal nine-year-old kid [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► and I'm like where did you come up with [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► that like what why did your mind have to [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► go to someplace where you like you [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► assume you know that you're bad [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► filtering from the past has to be what's [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► happening right now well except that [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► there are lots of that you know there [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► are a lot of people that seem like [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► they're really nice and then it turns [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► out they're not a lot of people in [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► though they seem like they're not and [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► turns out they are that week yeah this [TS]

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00:24:25 ◼   ► for supporting Roderick on the line and [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► all the great shows but uh but yeah I [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► had a had an interesting experience [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► yesterday that I wanted to tell you [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► about I would love to hear it people [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► assume that we write a whole script for [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► this or something but we a lot of what [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► we end up doing for the program my [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► internet radio show I do it my office it [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► is largely improvised yeah why do you [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► have an office to do it in the internet [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► maybe I put all this shit my family [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► doesn't want the house Oh everyone's [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► like garbage I bring home more boxes of [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► comics what about what about these [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► statues of will perform what about your [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► what about your Dead Eye the superhero [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► girl what about all these bottles of [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► kombucha from March like what's gonna [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► happen with that bottles up come on I [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► love tropicale yeah I I got a so you [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► know sometimes one of the things that I [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► do as he probably know now and and for [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► always is that I I get asked to moderate [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► things oh yeah you're a go-to emcee yeah [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► and there's and that's the thing like [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► what when I was in high school I looked [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► around the school at the jobs that one [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► could do at a school rolls that one [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► could inhabit [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► right that's right as a freshman I [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► looked at my high school which you know [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► the first day of freshman year my high [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► school seemed like a big urban high [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► school from not from the late 70s [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► because it was the early 80s and [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► Anchorage was five years behind [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► so all those all the movies you've ever [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► seen about a an American high school in [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► 1977 that's exactly what it felt like [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► when I walked into freshman year were [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► you aware at the time that the yellow [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► behind I mean how how attune were you to [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► like this isn't way people dress on [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► Dukes of Hazzard or whatever no not [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► really not that example that yeah and [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► and and people I mean the world moved [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► the world was starting to move pretty [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► fast [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► but like disco and punk rock we're both [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► still pretty present culturally new [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► things in nineteen eighty one and two in [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► Anchorage and I know that they still [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► were reverberating other places but it [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► hadn't there wasn't that feeling of that [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► that there was in the states that it was [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► that things were over or ever over and [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► it wasn't until MTV arrived which was in [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► 82 I guess was that right August of 81 [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► but most people didn't get it for a [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► while yeah we didn't get in till 82 [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► that's when I got a em where we suddenly [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► had access to things happening that fast [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► we had you had like up-to-the-minute New [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► York taste you know screen right right I [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► mean like it's it's it's obviously the [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► something that was way over covered at a [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► certain point but it's easy to forget [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► now how much like how likely were you to [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► be exposed to the motels Adam in the [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► ants and and captain sensible in Alaska [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► in the absence of MTV zero yeah no [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► chance of it at all and I feel like [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► pretty much the same for Florida I [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► wouldn't even know where to look to find [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► maybe not the motels but to find like [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► sort of odd stuff I didn't have the [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► budget or the purview to find that stuff [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► and then suddenly especially in the [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► morning when they showed lots of weird [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► videos you see the weirdest stuff yeah [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► and what each each new thing that came [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► on you were like okay is this what we're [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► doing now like that's what that's what [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► diva looks like hello but but my first [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► day of freshman year like at that time [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► all the football players the fashion was [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► that they wore painters caps did this [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► was this a thing that happened [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► nationally painters caps with as I think [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► I've told you the misspelled mascot of [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► our team on the back in Cooper black [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► technically green but cooper black [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► typeface yeah the boutonnieres the the [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► gulf hi busan here is we have painters [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► caps in nantes 82 82 83 as a [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► razor so yeah that was a thing I guess [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► and and it was a thing that felt I mean [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► they felt very old they felt very adult [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► they were very large much larger the the [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► seniors of course than the freshman in a [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► bubbly larger and probably larger our [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► school had 2700 kids and spread oh and [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► it was a one story 1962 high school that [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► spread over what felt like 40 acres and [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► walking in the front door I mean I've [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► been I've been forewarned by kids like [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► if you walk across the Thunderbird that [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► is inlaid into the hallway if you walk [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► across it and a senior catches you they [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► will make you scrub it with a toothbrush [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► and I and every incoming freshman was [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► like Mortimer terrified don't walk [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► across the the mosaic of the t-bird our [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► noble mascot is a Thunderbird the the [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► appropriated Native American and not not [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► not really even from our state or the [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► local cultures but appropriated from the [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► distant Native American culture [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► Utah Jazz but but but at the time it [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► seemed plausible that that schools were [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► far enough out of the of the [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► Disciplinary reach of grown-ups that [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► senior classmen could could be that much [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► in control of the school and of the [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► space that you would be getting swirlies [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► or scrubbing the scrubbing the floor [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► with a toothbrush and the adults would [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► be standing in the background with their [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► arms crossed nodding approvingly yeah [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► but my goodness what [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► I have no idea what I was talking about [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► oh you were talking about what it's like [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► to be it's okay no no space it's a it's [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► what it was like to be in Alaska at a [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► time when you were running feel like you [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► know the whole place is running a little [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► bit behind [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► painters caps you get the Thunderbird [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► but I started talking about it because I [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► had a because I had another idea Oh [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► Merlin this never happens to me I'm not [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► kidding am I like going old you can't [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► tell yet you don't know that's the [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► problem no yeah no I'm just starting to [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► like have it and realize it you know [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► yeah you know that I like I always make [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► it back yeah I make a digression I go [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► out into the woods I wander around but I [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► always come back no you do you you land [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► it you really land it but what happened [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► here should you some exercises have a [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► stroke is that what it feels like most [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► it feels like nothing it feels like [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► you're just talking and then you just [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► don't remember you might have had an [TS]

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00:31:59 ◼   ► what kind of episode you'd have to get [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► an EKG I think I mean it's not like [TS]

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00:34:55 ◼   ► exercise here we're gonna do this nice [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► and easy alright alright so the [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► triggering thought was we're talking [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► about children we're talking about your [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► mom we started talking about the [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► situations where some people are able to [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► socialize with others you started [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► talking about how when you started high [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► school in the early 1980s you felt like [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► things were actually more like a like a [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► mid 70s things like punk rock things [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► like disco [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► right we're still very current at the [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► time you can look to things like the [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► introduction of MTV to your area in 1982 [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► you've got seniors wearing painters caps [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► yes seniors were wearing painters yeah [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► if you step on the t-bird they're gonna [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► make you take a toothbrush remember all [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► this clean that was a very good story [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► but I was I was jumping off into it [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► because something recently happened that [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► I wanted to tell you about mm-hmm I [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► wanted to show you about and you said [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► you said that we didn't see each other [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► all the time that what was in the show [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► was in the show the week that we look [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► that we largely improvised the show yes [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► which I you know I thought was important [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► for for everyone to know because because [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► you know they think we do work from a [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► script yes obviously it's a set of beats [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► yeah [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► well I'm just gonna I'm gonna pretend [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► that that segue over into high school in [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► the 70s never happened until I can [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► figure out how to tie back in if you [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► want I need to add it in a couple ads [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► this weekend would you like me to add [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► some kind of a sound a zinger right here [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► that allow us to reboot the episode like [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► a like a how's it going John hey hi [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► Merlin [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► how are you are we starting over from [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► the start [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► no no Oh see now now I gotta I gotta add [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► another noise now all right [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► I don't know if I can find that no no [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► it's fine Oh people are people are [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► terrible and it's sometimes hard to know [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► when you're the terrible person I'm oh I [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► assume that I'm always the terrible do [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► you really cuz I mean like the thing is [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► it's like and this kind of gets to my [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► point about the changing your filter [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► feel free to jump back in at any point [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► but this is what a part of my point with [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► the filter is that I feel like I have [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► probably sanded off papered over and [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► buttered across many many things in my [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► past as because reasons you know what I [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► mean we're like I thought everybody [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► treated me this way because Beauty boot [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► boot boot and I don't know sometimes I [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► am reluctant to go too far back to look [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► at that again because it's very painful [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► well you know my my passage through time [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► personally I have never I've never felt [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► any any strong need to cast myself as [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► the victim of of situations of the world [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► or of other people like I did I never [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► felt victimized by anything other than [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► massive structures right like I nobody I [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► wasn't because I was enough of a problem [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► from a young age that there was never a [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► time when I didn't understand and it [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► hadn't been imparted to me by everybody [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► that I was kind of a problem and not [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► always a bad problem did you take up [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► that mantle at a certain point um what [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► it did was it liberated me from it [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► liberated me in a certain sense because [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► there were because from a young age it [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► wasn't like John Roderick you are a [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► problem it was always from everybody Oh [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► John you're such a problem like it was [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► nice yeah it was very it was always [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► wrapped in a warm fuzzy that that the [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► word problem [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► I heard ring in my ears as the word [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► exceptional [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► because that is not ready for you but [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► that word was used to but but but that's [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► how I heard it right so I never I I [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► never felt like oh the reason this is [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► because that or whatever that was [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► whatever um whatever system was [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► operating I recognized that who I was [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► not my behavior but who I actually was [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► was troubling or was it just wasn't ever [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► gonna fit in and I think I took then [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► responsibility for a lot of stuff that [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► wasn't mine that I that I wasn't the bad [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► guy but I just I accepted it because I [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► already had such I had this big [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► cardboard box full of all of the things [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► that I was responsible for sure why not [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► throw something you know like oh you've [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► got some like pickled quail eggs in a [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► jar short put them in my box I'm already [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► carrying a box out and I think later on [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► when I went back and looked at my [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► childhood there I actually had to take [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► some stuff out of the box and say you [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► know what that wasn't my fault [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► where that I couldn't have been [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► responsible for that because that wasn't [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► a thing that a kid could be responsible [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► for that was a thing that adults should [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► have been handling and I think I think [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► when I'm angry at structures what that [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► usually means is that there was some [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► adult who was operating according to a [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► structure that they hadn't examined and [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► that adult was doing stuff that affected [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► me or didn't protect me but I don't [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► blame them I don't think their job I [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► mean yeah the the the woman were more [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► likely man who stood aside while [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► somebody had to toothbrush the t-bird [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► probably felt like not only were they [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► doing their job but they were doing a [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► good job of their job they were doing it [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► I mean the the the vice-principal was [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► that was crucial no this is long after [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► Coupole this was you know in high school [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► at that point whoever the vice principal [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► was he didn't you don't know you know [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► they want to kick at that but [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► critic back you know what a cool feel of [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► de couleur the tennis racket was weights [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► on is that right and a cricket bat and a [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► cricket bat okay you hit both of those [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► things huh people want to come my [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► interview in his office it's strange [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► that he would have so much striking [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► sports gear well it's sort of like the [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► it's a little bit of a mixed metaphor [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► right the Scientologists go across the [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► bridge up the ladder [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► all right cool who's working on his on [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► his tennis stroke but it also I guess [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► translated to cricket a sport that was [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► not played in Alaska who knows where he [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► even got a cricket bat it was culturally [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► sensitive if he turned it over I bet it [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► had that I bet it like had the initials [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► of his his fraternity mmm but by the [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► time you get to high school of course [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► you don't know the names of the bite of [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► the assistant principals anymore they [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► don't loom as large because in high [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► school they can't they're not hitting [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► you with a cricket bat anymore it's [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► there partly because the seniors are so [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► big yeah you can't take a 17 year old [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► and whack em you can get away with it [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► when a kid is 12 I mean not anymore [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► obviously but in Alaska in the early [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► eighties no it was it was real I [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► remember being terrified when I arrived [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► at my public school in Florida and [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► there's a hole yeah I just remember [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► reading the student guide because I was [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► the kind of person who would do that all [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► the crazy rules but what kind of clothes [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► you're allowed to wear and then this [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► like fetishists description of the [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► swatting the spanking process and [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► exactly like the very specifics of what [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► kind of device was going to be used to [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► strike you and like how it was going it [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► was it was so weird it was like I wish I [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► could find it today because it really it [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► feels well it feels like porn it doesn't [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► in turn something from another time it [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► just feels like somebody's idea of like [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► I wrote this this week Inc we put it in [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► like oh yeah I don't know Jim man you're [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► pretty specific about the kind of [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► plywood to be used when you hit these [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► girls why they're bad he just read the [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► Marquis de Sade I was talking about I [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► was talking about being a master of [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► ceremonies and I had that in my notes [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► even right and the roles that are you [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► that you go to a high school and you [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► look around you you figure out what [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► roles you're gonna play and [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► all these different roles right [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► valedictorian captain of the football [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► team all this stuff and the and I knew [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► that I was none of those things I was [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► never gonna be captain of the [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► cheerleaders I didn't want to be a [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► photographer for the newspaper they were [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► there were people that just like [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► photographer for a yearbook or newspaper [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► was all they wanted to be because the [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► photographer likes is behind the camera [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► they don't really have to they're not in [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► front of the camera so they're usually a [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► lone wolf [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► lone wolf right they're there but [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► they're in the background they're [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► working alone nobody really knows how to [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► do what they're doing it seems a little [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► like magic you can be like you could be [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► like the the like coolest dork in school [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► if you had a camera yeah you get to be a [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► rogue wrote warrior you'd probably get a [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► pass I bet you get a special pass you [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► get to go to things earlier late back [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► then you certainly did nowadays who [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► knows who knows what kids are allowed to [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► do now-soy cameras on everything Thanks [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► metal detectors just to get into school [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► but I recognized I didn't want to be [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► king of the Nerds I didn't want to be [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► president of the school I didn't want to [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► be what I wanted to be was Master of [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► Ceremonies I wanted to do the pep [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► assemblies I wanted to talk on the [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► microphone I wanted to do morning [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► announcements in the school I wanted to [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► be considered the host of the school and [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► like and that wasn't the job not the [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► greeter but like you know when you [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► thought of at the beginning of Red Dawn [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► when the Russians arrived you know I [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► wanted to be the one that walked out the [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► front door and said hello the anchorman [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► yeah that wasn't a job I had to go in to [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► the principal's office day after day [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► week after week and say you know what [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► you guys really need you need somebody [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► to handle all this stuff don't dress for [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► the job you have just for the job that [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► doesn't exist yet that's right and that [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► was my job and that has continued to be [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► there was a long period you're very good [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► at it you're a lot like your mom taking [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► over the meeting you don't do it in like [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► an assertive way but you're very good at [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► like making sure that everything runs [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► well in a social situation you're very [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► good I'd like to put this person you [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► know I would make everybody feel [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► comfortable I like to duck shins you can [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► walk them over to the couch [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► [Laughter] [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► so there was a long period of time there [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► where I didn't have the I didn't have [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► access to two worlds outside of my own [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► immediate world where I could be you [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► know I love to just be that person at a [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► party or in a situation where groups of [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► people were merging but I wasn't invited [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► out into like the city to host events [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► for people because I was for a long time [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► a drug addict and an unknown now I get [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► asked to do this all the time like it's [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► a it's a big part of it well two things [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► right for a long time it was part of [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► volunteering for me it was like how I [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► gave back to the community because a lot [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► of the times what I was asked to do was [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► host benefits fundraisers events for [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► charities and it's not like this year [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► later this is like in rock years yeah [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► this is in the last 10-15 years right [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► you know like hey will you come do this [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► for the March of Dimes or whatever and [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► it was always it was an automatic yes [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► and then I started getting asked to do [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► those things where it was not a charity [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► it was like this is our annual meeting [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► or this is a we're having a having a big [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► event and we're a for-profit company and [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► I've it took me a while to realize like [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► hmm [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► so this isn't really it this isn't [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► really a benefit is it this is more of a [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► it's more of a job you would hire [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► somebody to do I've learned learn how [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► much to ask but I still and particularly [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► around the holidays right I've there [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► have been I've been invited to do this [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► five times in the last two weeks like [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► hey will you do our thing and I'm and [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► I'm practicing a little bit of the like [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► the mid-2000s Merlin Mann where I'm like [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► I'm going to say a number and what I [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► hope you hear in this number is no I [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► don't want to do your thing but if you [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► say yes to this number I'll do your [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► thing mm-hmm anyway I get a call from [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► the University of Washington and by call [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► I mean email [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► and the email said hey will you come [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► moderate or will you be the interlocutor [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► the interviewer for an event we're [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► having and I said you know sure yeah [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► what's the event and they said we're [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► bringing Dan Harmon oh my god [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► to the University of Washington and we [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► would like you to be his oh my god to [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► interview him and and host the event oh [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► my god and I was like this is my chance [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► this is it I get to bring this whole [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► story full circle Dan Harmon and I are [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► gonna I'm gonna do my due diligence this [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► time I'm gonna watch Rick and Morty I'm [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► gonna read his Wikipedia entry I'm gonna [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► like catch up on all those shows [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► everybody's always demanding you watch [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► can't make a few note cards about the [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► names of the shows he's done and so when [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► he says when I say you know I love your [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► shows and he says which ones and and and [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► and I'll have that moment of like ah [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► then I'll be able to answer I'll say [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► Rick and Morty and he'll go what do you [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► like about it [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► but I'll be I'll be ready for him cuz [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► I'll have written it down and I'll say [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► Rick and Morty or whatever I don't know [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► I haven't done that work yet but I was [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► like no but you know the thing the point [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► is the point is not what you will say [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► but that you will know what to say [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► mm-hmm I will not be caught with my [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► drawers down there with his Harmon in [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► his hand because you are now a man who [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► knows all the great shows that's right [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► that's exactly it [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► and I was super thrilled to have this [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► opportunity and so I said yes and I said [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► you know like basically like what's the [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► drill and I got this email back that [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► said well we're working on a list of [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► questions [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► that were gonna run by his people and [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► then we'll send them to you so that you [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► can go through and and make sure that [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► you know like add any edits he want to [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► add mmm and this isn't ever what this [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► isn't normal right that is absolutely [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► new to me that's something you would do [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► with somebody who's on the volunteer [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► committee or you know what I mean like [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► somebody who's got somebody who's like [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► on the on the student board for visiting [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► speakers would get to go up and ask pre [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► ask questions you would not have an [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► editorial guest moderator come in and [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► read somebody else's questions I don't [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► think no I agree that that seems odd so [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► I was like hmm list of questions okay [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► and I'm just thinking that it's gotta be [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► you know that I'm gonna because [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► sometimes right and you have this [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► experience too sometimes you do events [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► for people who don't do events they [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► don't they don't do events and it's I [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► don't sound unkind but if it's not quite [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► that they haven't thought it through but [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► on some level it's that they haven't [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► really thought it through like okay now [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► in your head walk through how all this [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► happens how we get on stage what happens [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► how everybody's introduced we talk for [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► this amount of time and then what's [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► gonna happen and that's even before I'm [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► setting aside all of the like behind the [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► scenes stuff that like if you haven't [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► really thought about what order this [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► stuff goes in and what people are used [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► to you're gonna this is gonna go slower [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► than you think and it's gonna be more [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► difficult than you think because you're [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► asking people to like reframe what kind [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► of event this is there are those there [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► are those situations and then I [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► encounter a lot of them where there is [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► someone running the event who's used to [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► running a big operation because it's [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► because it's a big it's a big event for [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► a big operation and so they they put [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► somebody whose normal job is manager of [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► some department and they say you know [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► you do the event and and they're excited [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► about it because it's their Christmas [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► event or something and they're like [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► great and then I'll get a thing in the [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► mail which is their script hmm they're [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► like you're the host [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► and so at 11:27 we're gonna ring the [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► bell and at 11:28 you're gonna walk [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► onstage and then here's your script hi [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► everyone welcome to the event my name is [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► john roderick and i am here as and and [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► then it's and every word is [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► and I'm like this is fantastic thank you [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► for sending this over I'll definitely [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► work from this outline and 99% of the [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► time everybody's fine with that because [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► there's in cases like that do they [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► usually have rehearsal scheduled [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► rehearsal they do and and in those [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► rehearsals I'm perfectly happy to like [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► do the blocking and read from their [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► script but you know I'm not gonna get up [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► and read a script to them anything [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► anyway so I so I think that this list of [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► questions is going to be sort of [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► perfunctory [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► and I'm gonna peruse it and it's like [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► you know tell us about all the shows and [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► then I'm gonna I'm gonna sit up there [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► and be like Dan here's my next question [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► what about the shows they're pretty good [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► people like mm I write and I open this [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► list of questions and it is phenomenal [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► so I do there there are 15 questions and [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► they are so like specific that you got a [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► nice soft one to open them up the first [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► one in an Adult Swim short clip you talk [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► about the roles of creator and create II [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► and specifically Rick as creator on Rick [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► and Morty can you tell us more about the [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► theme of creation on the show and as an [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► artist who creates yourself is there a [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► certain level of responsibility that [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► comes with creating how do you [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► consolidate that especially given the [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► context of Rick and Morty as a show [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► acknowledged for exploring socially [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► relevant topics no one has ever read [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► that out loud until this moment [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► that's the softball that's the softball [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► opener okay I got a lot of notes I feel [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► like and and I feel like they were they [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► wanted me then to go through this and [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► below that to nod politely while he's [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► answering that excellent question no but [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► like you know put it in your own words [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► and [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► and my reaction was I have none of my [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► own words like there's no I have no I [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► could not ask a follow-up to this nor [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► would I know what I was saying as I was [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► saying it I would not know if he was [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► giving a good answer or a bad one that's [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► really really bad it's not a good [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► question it's phrased poorly and I would [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► never open with it that's it there's [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► time at the end that would basically say [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► ask him how he feels about the creative [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► process in terms of how he presents his [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► characters or something like that but [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► that's such a weird question to open [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► with you know I would not be surprised [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► knowing the very little I know about him [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► I you know let me put it this way you [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► open with that question you're not gonna [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► save yourself from the all the great [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► shows situation that is not an opening [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► that is gonna get you where you want to [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► be with that situation [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► no like question number 8 here's how [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► it's phrased okay dude ellipses why [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► Szechuan sauce does that whole craze [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► excite or annoy you [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► have you had it recently how what did [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► you learn from your experience being [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► fired as community's showrunner after [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► the third season I guess that's [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► something that I would understand why [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► people were asking let's see it just [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► goes on right and so what what so what [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► what happened was I sat and I studied [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► this this list of 15 questions and and I [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► felt like like the like all of a sudden [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► Dan Harmon was again receding into the [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► fog and I was like Dan and I was running [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► slow motion Dan no no come back and he [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► just was big you know and he could he [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► was looking at me sort of Cheshire Cat [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► and all I could see then was his face [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► smiling kind of in the through the can [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► tell you as we say in the summers in the [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► tech world you flip the bozo a bit like [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► in the sense that you know I'm saying [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► like sometimes you meet somebody in you [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► go like all it takes is them saying one [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► particular thing could be jury duty [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► could be waiting for the Train [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► but somebody says something real stupid [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► you go well I don't have to pay a super [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► lot of attention to that person just [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► flip the bozo a bit [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► flip the bozo bitch and David Harmon is [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► not gonna hear that question even if you [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► read that very well he's not gonna hear [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► that and then think this is gonna be a [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► great interview well right or you know [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► and he's gonna look he's gonna think [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► it's you he's your fault you came up [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► with that terrible question he's either [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► gonna think that or he's gonna recognize [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► looking at my face that I'm basically [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► Zoltan little jaws moving and I'm like [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► how does Rick and Morty [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► like I will have what wasn't there a [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► beginning dependent cause the let's see [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► it opened with in an Adult Swim short [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► clip and okay so I don't know I know [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► what Adult Swim is but I do not know [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► what an Adult Swim short clip is that [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► slim short clip in an Adult Swim short [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► clip which might be like it might be a [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► way of preparing beef as far as I know [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► you talk about the roles of creator and [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► create he he he talked about it so it's [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► like a documentary like like talking [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► head interview where he taught a dog so [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► they're asking him about another [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► interview that he did that was on the [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► Cartoon Network right and they went I [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► have to follow up on that based on [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► something something Rick and Morty I've [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► watched Adult Swim quite a bit but I do [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► not remember the short clip as a thing I [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► guess I haven't watched it recently and [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► it must be that they get creators and [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► create ease to get up and do little mini [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► many interviews but in the context of [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► this I do not know what they mean by [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► create T like he's the one who is [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► created by is that what that we take [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► that to me to create or creates things [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► and I created T is one who is created [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► one who is created so how is Dan Harmon [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► created by either Adult Swim or his show [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► but then but then talk about the roles [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► of creator and create II and [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► specifically Rick as creator on Rick and [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► Morty and now is Rick a cartoon [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► character or is he a person [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► uh he's a person who's a cartoon [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► character on the Rick and Morty show but [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► he is a real person named Rick in the [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► world I don't think so it started out [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► apparently as kind of a riff on Back to [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► the Future he's kind of the Doc Brown [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► character but it's gone a very far away [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► away from that since the pilot so but [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► it's not that Rick is like Rick and Dan [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► went to college together and started [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► this show I'm aware of so I think he's [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► in create I think he's a create T of Dan [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► Harmon and his writing partner right so [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► Rick is not a creator on Rick and Morty [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► well so anyway I would be I mean I could [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► sit with Dan Harmon and unpack the [TS]

00:59:39 ◼   ► question for 45 minutes but he would be [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► like shouldn't there be somebody [TS]

00:59:42 ◼   ► interviewing me that knows that knows me [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► which is which is our question you think [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► about any time you're preparing to do an [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► interview or you're preparing even if [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► it's just a podcast I'm gonna think [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► about when I interviewed Hodgman for a [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► thing here in town called City Arts & [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► Lectures [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► Lectures [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► the prep that went into that and talking [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► to him and you know really talking in [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► that case talk because it wasn't gonna [TS]

01:00:04 ◼   ► be obviously a friendly interview about [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► his book and talking about the kind of [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► stuff you wanted to talk about and I try [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► to throw in a few zingers but at the [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► heart of it like and when you're [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► preparing for stuff like that look-the [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► quits the question is a MacGuffin I mean [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► right what you're looking for is an [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► opportunity for the personality you [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► think about a good Terry Gross interview [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► like a class a Terry Gross interview is [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► where she talks to somebody where she [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► doesn't really know much about what that [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► person does but ends up very curious [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► about an angle into what they do that [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► gives them an opportunity to say [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► something they never knew they thought [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► about that topic right dude I'm saying [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► that's that's I'm maybe getting to [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► inside my own head here but I think the [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► goal of a good interview is to not be [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► like a fucking writer for pitchfork and [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► go look at me notice what I'm creating [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► it's more to get out of the way and just [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► provide enough ammunition for that [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► person to go off in a direction that's [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► gonna be interesting novel and my goal [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► would be try to get them to say [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► something now that they maybe something [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► they want to say but get him to have a [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► thought they didn't realize they'd had [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► and have them articulated in a way that [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► surprises and delights them give them [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► the ammunition for that right question [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► like that does not do that [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► a question like that wants to be written [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► on a whiteboard and diagrammed yeah and [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► it's and it's obvious it was obvious to [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► me as I was reading it like oh this was [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► the problem between me and Dan Harmon [TS]

01:01:17 ◼   ► the last time we met coming through the [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► Rye which was this is the level of [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► fandom that he's used to encountering [TS]

01:01:25 ◼   ► like this these questions were obviously [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► put together by students at the [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► University who were very excited that [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► it's put together by someone who's [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► partway through college and and probably [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► a team of them because the the [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► suggestion as I was waiting for these [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► questions to arrive was like we're [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► working on these questions and I do [TS]

01:01:47 ◼   ► events for the university all the time [TS]

01:01:49 ◼   ► and I really like the guy that puts on [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► events there the last one I did was with [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► Adam Savage and the way that I prepared [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► for it was I had three cups of coffee [TS]

01:01:56 ◼   ► and some peanut M&Ms and then I got up [TS]

01:02:00 ◼   ► on stage and I was like all right here [TS]

01:02:02 ◼   ► he is so you know so tell me [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► Anson he's such our hot like you heard [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► you're a guy that makes things like what [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► do you say about that and he's like I do [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► make [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► you know he's like he doesn't and I [TS]

01:02:15 ◼   ► don't think Dan Harmon probably needs [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► much help to get going so I was you know [TS]

01:02:22 ◼   ► I was prepared to have some fun with it [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► but but reading this I was like I I [TS]

01:02:28 ◼   ► really do feel like the expectations of [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► the students are very high first of all [TS]

01:02:36 ◼   ► for what we're gonna you know we're [TS]

01:02:38 ◼   ► gonna put Dan Harmon to the grill here [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► yeah because that question goes the [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► question that I just read the first half [TS]

01:02:45 ◼   ► of goes on for a while and uses the word [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► create or three more times so he does [TS]

01:02:55 ◼   ► feel like maybe he is the creator okay [TS]

01:02:58 ◼   ► to some of them anyway I wrote the [TS]

01:03:00 ◼   ► University and my friend their second [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► letter and I said I sent them a letter [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► and I said this is the rare rare [TS]

01:03:10 ◼   ► occasion where I feel like I'm the wrong [TS]

01:03:14 ◼   ► guy for this job I do not think I do not [TS]

01:03:19 ◼   ► think I will do a good job usually as [TS]

01:03:22 ◼   ► the emcee in Waiting you see nothing but [TS]

01:03:24 ◼   ► opportunities where you could go in and [TS]

01:03:27 ◼   ► contribute something in this case the [TS]

01:03:28 ◼   ► rare rare instance where you feel like [TS]

01:03:31 ◼   ► you're the wrong match as I'm sue for [TS]

01:03:33 ◼   ► this that's right I have never written [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► that letter before you know what I feel [TS]

01:03:37 ◼   ► like I'm the wrong guy for this it's [TS]

01:03:39 ◼   ► never I never feel that way I'm oh I'm [TS]

01:03:41 ◼   ► always like Oh what do you need like are [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► we talking serious are we being funny is [TS]

01:03:45 ◼   ► this supposed to be light is this [TS]

01:03:46 ◼   ► supposed to be dark are we is this [TS]

01:03:49 ◼   ► meaningful are we gonna see a montage of [TS]

01:03:52 ◼   ► kids that we've helped or are we going [TS]

01:03:56 ◼   ► to are we just trying to auction off [TS]

01:03:58 ◼   ► some funny thing while we're all dressed [TS]

01:04:00 ◼   ► like seven bits right that's right and [TS]

01:04:02 ◼   ► all if I may the thread in all of those [TS]

01:04:03 ◼   ► I feel like it seems like you're talking [TS]

01:04:05 ◼   ► about yourself and what you what you do [TS]

01:04:07 ◼   ► but the threat in all of those is that [TS]

01:04:10 ◼   ► you I feel like is that you have a sense [TS]

01:04:13 ◼   ► of it's gonna begin like this and then I [TS]

01:04:16 ◼   ► want people to feel like that and a lot [TS]

01:04:18 ◼   ► of times that's they want them to be I [TS]

01:04:20 ◼   ► want to feel laughter and entertained I [TS]

01:04:22 ◼   ► want them to feel in on the joke I want [TS]

01:04:23 ◼   ► them to feel that their efforts have had [TS]

01:04:26 ◼   ► a great effect [TS]

01:04:27 ◼   ► people that they don't even know like [TS]

01:04:28 ◼   ► you have a sense like you could may not [TS]

01:04:30 ◼   ► articulate it that way but you know what [TS]

01:04:32 ◼   ► the tone of it is supposed to be if that [TS]

01:04:34 ◼   ► question goes great how is Dan Harmon's [TS]

01:04:37 ◼   ► supposed to feel [TS]

01:04:38 ◼   ► how is everybody in the room supposed to [TS]

01:04:39 ◼   ► feel except from except for awkward [TS]

01:04:41 ◼   ► right well with the Adam Savage thing I [TS]

01:04:44 ◼   ► mean the surprise to me I've never I've [TS]

01:04:47 ◼   ► never seen it quite this way but it was [TS]

01:04:51 ◼   ► a it was a packed house and at the end [TS]

01:04:53 ◼   ► during the question period probably 60% [TS]

01:04:58 ◼   ► of the people who got up to ask a [TS]

01:05:00 ◼   ► question got up and said watching your [TS]

01:05:04 ◼   ► show as a kid is the reason that I went [TS]

01:05:06 ◼   ► into the sciences and now I am here [TS]

01:05:10 ◼   ► getting a master's degree in particle [TS]

01:05:14 ◼   ► physics and I owe it all to you and 60% [TS]

01:05:17 ◼   ► of the people either started with that [TS]

01:05:19 ◼   ► or that's all they wanted to get up and [TS]

01:05:21 ◼   ► say and and it was complete like [TS]

01:05:25 ◼   ► completely a diverse group of people [TS]

01:05:30 ◼   ► right it was equal number of men and [TS]

01:05:32 ◼   ► women equal number of people of all [TS]

01:05:35 ◼   ► races it was a complete rainbow room and [TS]

01:05:38 ◼   ► they all had this same experience and I [TS]

01:05:41 ◼   ► was just like wow I I didn't realize [TS]

01:05:46 ◼   ► what uh what a powerful religious figure [TS]

01:05:51 ◼   ► he is and and Mythbusters was in terms [TS]

01:05:54 ◼   ► of like turning a generation of curious [TS]

01:05:57 ◼   ► kids into scientists and I was looking [TS]

01:06:00 ◼   ► forward to figuring this out about Dan [TS]

01:06:03 ◼   ► Harmon to through this process of like [TS]

01:06:05 ◼   ► so Dan honestly you and I are about the [TS]

01:06:08 ◼   ► same age you seem to be a very popular [TS]

01:06:14 ◼   ► creator of things mm-hmm you know and go [TS]

01:06:17 ◼   ► from there right anyway I wrote and said [TS]

01:06:20 ◼   ► wasn't even setting aside the fact that [TS]

01:06:22 ◼   ► the thing hiding in plain sight and we [TS]

01:06:25 ◼   ► talked about a little bit last time [TS]

01:06:25 ◼   ► which is that he is a notoriously tough [TS]

01:06:28 ◼   ► nut to crack right I mean and that it's [TS]

01:06:31 ◼   ► that we should not skip over that but [TS]

01:06:32 ◼   ► apparently he is irascible [TS]

01:06:37 ◼   ► like yeah he he will be very provocative [TS]

01:06:40 ◼   ► with [TS]

01:06:40 ◼   ► little provocation yes this was what I [TS]

01:06:43 ◼   ► was really looking forward to you know [TS]

01:06:45 ◼   ► we should give hell you could toss you [TS]

01:06:46 ◼   ► know we didn't have a chance before you [TS]

01:06:48 ◼   ► know we're standing in his green room [TS]

01:06:50 ◼   ► and I was like hey so you are the I'm [TS]

01:06:55 ◼   ► supposed to meet you mister people are [TS]

01:07:00 ◼   ► acting like it's really great that [TS]

01:07:01 ◼   ► you're here here oh my god [TS]

01:07:04 ◼   ► and now I was gonna be like Oh johnny on [TS]

01:07:06 ◼   ► the spot about it let's get into it Dan [TS]

01:07:08 ◼   ► Harmon uh like that what that didn't [TS]

01:07:12 ◼   ► intimidate me at all but boy these [TS]

01:07:13 ◼   ► questions didn't so I yeah I first time [TS]

01:07:16 ◼   ► first time in ever I I wrote and said [TS]

01:07:19 ◼   ► I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to say [TS]

01:07:23 ◼   ► no thank you [TS]