The Accidental Tech Podcast

247: A Place to Stick Your Gum


  fun fact listeners Syracuse is a much [TS]

  funnier person than you would ever [TS]

  expect like you hear bits of that on the [TS]

  show but born to laughing at me way than [TS]

  a laughing no that's not true [TS]

  that's not try really like but no really [TS]

  it he is way funnier in person when when [TS]

  not performing as you have as we are all [TS]

  doing that you trying to say I'm not [TS]

  funny on the podcast he's way funnier [TS]

  than he is in his podcast it's not what [TS]

  I was going for but if you wanna I'm too [TS]

  tired to argue with you so yes let's [TS]

  start as we have to do with follow up TV [TS]

  OS 11.2 beta is out tell me about the [TS]

  output format switching mr. siracusa if [TS]

  you please not only is it out but I [TS]

  actually got the the update I don't know [TS]

  what caused me to get it but I check for [TS]

  updates in there it was and I was very [TS]

  excited so I immediately went into that [TS]

  settings screen that lets you say match [TS]

  source format framerate or whatever and [TS]

  then the HDR one does not apply to me so [TS]

  I couldn't just try that one and then I [TS]

  played a movie and my television [TS]

  switched to what it displays as 24 Hertz [TS]

  but isn't really true because I'm pretty [TS]

  sure it's in some multiple that refresh [TS]

  rate but anyway it works it really [TS]

  really works ray of course with the [TS]

  movie I tried it with was a movie I [TS]

  purchased on iTunes so I was using [TS]

  Apple's built-in movie app which I [TS]

  assumed would have been updated to news [TS]

  the new api's and I guess it has been I [TS]

  haven't had time to try it with Plex and [TS]

  infused and all the other things because [TS]

  I just assumed they would not have had [TS]

  time to update but I'm just gonna wait [TS]

  until 11.2 is out and try them as well [TS]

  so I'm happy about this and I'm one step [TS]

  closer to the probably terrible mistake [TS]

  of losslessly ripping all of my blu-rays [TS]

  so that I can watch them on demand [TS]

  without touching a blu-ray disc at full [TS]

  quality but we'll see how that goes and [TS]

  one additional note from this Joe [TS]

  rosensteil has confirmed confirmed a [TS]

  while ago and now is in the process of [TS]

  complaining and finally radars with [TS]

  Apple about the fact that the previous [TS]

  generation Apple TV then not 4k Apple TV [TS]

  doesn't get these features [TS]

  whomp-whomp for me and also it doesn't [TS]

  apparently get a manual 24 frames per [TS]

  second option and like I said a couple [TS]

  shows ago I don't get a manual 24 frames [TS]

  per second naturally either in earlier [TS]

  versions of TV os even though my [TS]

  television supports it but anyway all [TS]

  these features are just for the fancy [TS]

  new Apple TV 4k I don't think that's [TS]

  unreasonable well it's the Apple way to [TS]

  do things like why I keep supporting the [TS]

  old thing right although as Todd busy [TS]

  RIA unfortunately found out they still [TS]

  sell the old one because he went to he [TS]

  was trying to order an Apple TV 4k and [TS]

  they didn't have any in stock so he went [TS]

  to the store and bought one he got a [TS]

  different size he would want to get the [TS]

  big one I think what he got the small [TS]

  one and brought it home only to find [TS]

  that he just purchased the previous [TS]

  generation Apple TV which looks very [TS]

  much the same if you're not very careful [TS]

  to look at the box and make sure it says [TS]

  Apple TV 4k on it so that's a shame and [TS]

  they course they continue to sell the [TS]

  other one because it hits a price point [TS]

  but they're not gonna support it with [TS]

  the latest version they've CEOs in the [TS]

  same way like maybe the technical reason [TS]

  I can't really think of one but it's [TS]

  conceivable there's some unknown [TS]

  technical reason why they can't do the [TS]

  switching but that's that's crappy they [TS]

  also in the most Tim Cook move ever [TS]

  didn't even lower the price of the now [TS]

  two year old one when they brought out [TS]

  the new you know the currency they have [TS]

  it to hit a price point but it's a very [TS]

  not competitive price point great new [TS]

  minds what plus you've got inflation [TS]

  right so it was a long time ago so [TS]

  money's worth less now all right and [TS]

  then tell me about AP FS snapshots as [TS]

  used by Time Machine and software update [TS]

  if you please there were a couple of [TS]

  articles about this but eventually they [TS]

  could all be traced back to a handy tech [TS]

  note thing on Apple's own site to [TS]

  explain how cool a PFS snapshots are [TS]

  being used by Apple's software at the [TS]

  very least so Time Machine is using them [TS]

  I'm assuming I don't know if this [TS]

  article says it but I'm assuming the [TS]

  obvious thing to do is take a snapshot [TS]

  and then do a Time Machine backup from [TS]

  that snapshot so you don't get the weird [TS]

  thing they used to get where a Time [TS]

  Machine backups takes a half an hour to [TS]

  run and files that are copied to the [TS]

  beginning of the backup are 30 min [TS]

  newer than files that are copied at the [TS]

  end and you sort of get this weird image [TS]

  of the disc that is like it's like a [TS]

  rolling shutter on a phone right it's [TS]

  like a rolling back up like I'll start [TS]

  backing up and while I'm backing up [TS]

  you're continuing to use your computer [TS]

  but if I already backed up the file you [TS]

  modify it I'll get it in the next backup [TS]

  it's weird snapshots you'd have to do [TS]

  that you can say shrink point-in-time [TS]

  snapshot that's what I'm gonna back up [TS]

  from that's exactly what this disk looks [TS]

  like at a particular point in time and [TS]

  it will back up from that but [TS]

  additionally time machine takes [TS]

  snapshots every 24 hours while your [TS]

  computer is turned on and it takes a [TS]

  snapshot every week as well and the [TS]

  remember of snapshots are just like a [TS]

  point in time on your disk it's not it's [TS]

  not a backup to your time machine in [TS]

  volume it's just snapshots of your [TS]

  regular disk as it was and those are [TS]

  convenient for like let me reach you can [TS]

  you know run time machine even if you've [TS]

  never had your time machine disk like [TS]

  your external time machine disk attached [TS]

  to your computer for a long time you can [TS]

  still use time machine to recover things [TS]

  from the local disk that were part of [TS]

  those snapshots and I heard some report [TS]

  someone saying I deleted a bunch of [TS]

  stuff on my free disk space didn't go [TS]

  down it really depends on how they were [TS]

  checking their free disk space because [TS]

  if you were checking it at the lowest [TS]

  level that would be true because if you [TS]

  make a snapshot and that snapshot [TS]

  includes like a 4 gig file then you [TS]

  delete that 4 gig file you don't get [TS]

  that space back because that snapshot is [TS]

  still holding on to those 4 gigs so that [TS]

  you could if you wanted to recover that [TS]

  file from the snapshot or whatever with [TS]

  time machine so that's a case where if [TS]

  you were getting your disc free disk [TS]

  space the lowest level you would see [TS]

  that I deleted this file why don't I get [TS]

  the free space back but this tech note [TS]

  has a thing at the end it says basically [TS]

  you know are you worried about these [TS]

  snapshots eating a disc case don't worry [TS]

  because if we the operating system need [TS]

  you know storage space gets low which is [TS]

  what the tech note says snapshots are [TS]

  automatically deleted starting with the [TS]

  oldest and I'm quoting right girthy from [TS]

  the document now that's why I find her [TS]

  and get info windows don't include local [TS]

  snapshots in their calculations of the [TS]

  storage space available on disk so yet [TS]

  another complication as foretold in many [TS]

  past episodes of how a BFS was going to [TS]

  make it much more complicated to even [TS]

  display things like free space having to [TS]

  do a bunch of math and subtract out the [TS]

  space taken by snapshots and all the [TS]

  other stuff so they just lie to you and [TS]

  say oh yeah no we freed up at search but [TS]

  they didn't they didn't [TS]

  hurry it up unless you need more disk [TS]

  space unless you really really need it [TS]

  it won't delete the snapshots until [TS]

  eating shop such as easy so I like ice [TS]

  to delete a bunch of files it just says [TS]

  okay forget about that snapshot all [TS]

  those discs all those blocks that were [TS]

  part of that snapshot that are not part [TS]

  of any other snapshot are now free so [TS]

  it's the magic of AP FS and I final note [TS]

  on this this tech note which I think [TS]

  everyone should read is it has it is [TS]

  forced to explain the horrendous UI of [TS]

  Time Machine [TS]

  specifically the weird timeline [TS]

  scrolling thing on the right with like [TS]

  that like is it a little zooming [TS]

  timeline some poor tech writer had to [TS]

  had to write out if you have one of [TS]

  these versions the operating systems a [TS]

  bright red tech more tick mark means [TS]

  this a dimmed red tick mark means that [TS]

  if you have a different version the [TS]

  operating system a great tick mark means [TS]

  this a bright pink tick mark means this [TS]

  and a dim it pink tick mark means this [TS]

  word these are these colors are very [TS]

  similar to that having I would never [TS]

  have guessed all this stuff how you use [TS]

  the interface many many times and [TS]

  there's not a lot of text it's like time [TS]

  machine good technology even though they [TS]

  got rid of the swirling vortex which I [TS]

  would argue is the best part of this [TS]

  interface they got rid of that right [TS]

  though it's not like ably frivolous but [TS]

  the rest of the UI is not it's not great [TS]

  I don't know what these colors mean I've [TS]

  read this tech note I'm never gonna [TS]

  remember this I don't know what dimmed [TS]

  pink means what what is bright pink and [TS]

  dimmed pink it's if you only have dimmed [TS]

  pink how can you help them think and [TS]

  it's not bright pink unless you have a [TS]

  bright pink to compare it to this is a [TS]

  bad interface Apple please work on this [TS]

  oh wow how do you really feel John back [TS]

  this time this is a time machine who's [TS]

  just one of the many things that like as [TS]

  we have gotten you know the transition [TS]

  of the whole world and all that balls [TS]

  focused to iOS it's one of the many [TS]

  things on Mac OS I look at and it's I'm [TS]

  just kind of sad that like if Mac OS was [TS]

  was still getting seemingly meaningful [TS]

  effort put into it this could be so much [TS]

  more by now like this this could be so [TS]

  much better but it just seems like most [TS]

  of Mac OS is not only in maintenance [TS]

  mode but seems to have the B team [TS]

  working on it and it's just it makes me [TS]

  sad and it's a little bit buggy too like [TS]

  I spent time in the interface trying to [TS]

  find things and sometimes it does weird [TS]

  stuff and you just just shake [TS]

  didn't try it for a second time and it [TS]

  usually works a second time who knows [TS]

  why it didn't work the first like [TS]

  there's a lot of cool tech under there [TS]

  and you could build lots of interesting [TS]

  new eyes on top of it and the initial UI [TS]

  was fun and cool and interesting and had [TS]

  good ideas behind it simplified it but [TS]

  the the way it's evolved our weather [TS]

  hasn't evolved is kind of depressing [TS]

  well one more minor part in this they do [TS]

  take snapshots before software updates [TS]

  as well I don't know if they do anything [TS]

  with that like I don't know if is it if [TS]

  there's any actual feature that says you [TS]

  don't like the software update you did [TS]

  don't worry we took a whole snapshot of [TS]

  your disk and you can roll back to it [TS]

  right now I don't think there's any UI [TS]

  to that but if third-party tools have [TS]

  enough access to snapshots they could [TS]

  offer that option just by listing all [TS]

  your snapshots um and same thing with [TS]

  Time Machine there was a backup program [TS]

  I don't know if it's still in [TS]

  development called backup loop that was [TS]

  like hey Time Machine is cool why don't [TS]

  we make a cool powerful UI on top of it [TS]

  for people who want to nerd out a little [TS]

  bit more than is possible with the [TS]

  default UI and that's the fun type of [TS]

  stuff that's the third party opportunity [TS]

  but also at this point the bill Tilghman [TS]

  should be better - I don't I don't mind [TS]

  time machine but I think it's because [TS]

  I'm almost never in time machine so it [TS]

  doesn't have I don't have to deal with [TS]

  the crummy UI very often but did you [TS]

  know about the dim dread no and the [TS]

  bright pink no no no I didn't but now I [TS]

  know and knowing is half don't know [TS]

  that's the whole thing you didn't read [TS]

  this document and even if you read it it [TS]

  will just bounce off your brain there's [TS]

  no way anybody remember this there [TS]

  enough this is not a sponsor but we [TS]

  wanted to take a moment out of our day [TS]

  to call your attention to the app camp [TS]

  fundraiser app camp for girls is a [TS]

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  you know they don't probably don't be [TS]

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  about ask ATP Nathan Wallace writes in [TS]

  now that you have iPhones 10 in hand is [TS]

  it iPhones 10 I know that's the way they [TS]

  usually do a cut no it's iPhone 10s [TS]

  exactly I just know that the Apple [TS]

  guidance is always so bananas anyway now [TS]

  that you have iPhones 10 in hand are you [TS]

  using or wanting to use a case with it [TS]

  which cases are you using things I'll [TS]

  start off if you recall my iPhone 7 was [TS]

  the first phone in a long time that I [TS]

  had naked and I paid the price because I [TS]

  dropped it on the pavement and shattered [TS]

  my first screen luckily I had Apple care [TS]

  and so that was taken care of and then I [TS]

  quickly scratched the screen within [TS]

  about two weeks of getting it replaced [TS]

  which is delightful anyway for the [TS]

  iPhone 10 it's apparently I don't recall [TS]

  if we talked about this last episode of [TS]

  a pair it's like $200 or something like [TS]

  that to do a front screen replacement [TS]

  and something like $500 to do a back [TS]

  glass replacement yes I mean we didn't [TS]

  talk about it you're very tired yeah but [TS]

  anyway so the point is that it's [TS]

  extremely expensive to replace anything [TS]

  on this phone I personally have not [TS]

  ordered Apple care for my phone I've [TS]

  been debating it and I don't think I [TS]

  will which we can play this clip when I [TS]

  inevitably break this phone in a few [TS]

  months but I have put the official Apple [TS]

  leather case on it I do quite like the [TS]

  Appl other cases however the thing that [TS]

  bothers me about the most cases [TS]

  including the Apple leather case is that [TS]

  it makes doing gestures from the edge of [TS]

  the screen considerably more difficult [TS]

  and that bums me out but otherwise it's [TS]

  a nice case it's expensive it's like 50 [TS]

  bucks but it's a nice case Marco what do [TS]

  you got going on I am also caseless [TS]

  that's almost case ulis I bet you [TS]

  haven't thought of that many times sorry [TS]

  yeah I'm also going caseless I I too was [TS]

  cased only with the 6 and 6s not before [TS]

  or after the 7 I got in jet-black as it [TS]

  was grippy and I love that the 10 is you [TS]

  know with the glass back and the smooth [TS]

  metal sides the I would say overall so [TS]

  far it does not seem as grippy as the [TS]

  iPhone 7 but it's not as slippery as the [TS]

  6 and 6s so I'm a little well slow down [TS]

  they'll slow down though it is way [TS]

  grippier than my beautiful but bar of [TS]

  soap matte black or whatever they call [TS]

  yeah yeah iPhone 7 right yeah just [TS]

  whatever it was called but the jet black [TS]

  is obviously a whole different animal [TS]

  I'm not trying to argue that but if you [TS]

  happen to be coming from a matte black [TS]

  iPhone or you know whatever the [TS]

  equivalent was that I would say that the [TS]

  iPhone 10 is considerably more grippy [TS]

  than that but it sounds like you're [TS]

  saying mark oh it is less grippy than [TS]

  the jet black that's what it feels like [TS]

  so far you know it could just because [TS]

  like it's new and doesn't have all my [TS]

  hand oil on it firm from a year worth of [TS]

  handle just really gross but that's how [TS]

  it works yeah it could be that you know [TS]

  the end but you know compared to the jet [TS]

  black it is not as grippy and it could [TS]

  also be that like while the glass is [TS]

  kind of grippy the sides are now just [TS]

  regular metal again and so they're not [TS]

  so it could be that I don't know I have [TS]

  considered looking into some kind of [TS]

  like film or maybe like a little stick [TS]

  on like leather thing just for the back [TS]

  of it with not even the sides like they [TS]

  may you know they make is like kind of [TS]

  single panel decals or stickers or [TS]

  protectors for phones generally so I was [TS]

  think about doing that just to make them [TS]

  back a little bit grippier 4n just for a [TS]

  small amount of protection I too did not [TS]

  get AppleCare as I [TS]

  plain last week so I figure like you [TS]

  know I'll see how it goes if I drop it [TS]

  you everyone can make fun of me and [TS]

  maybe I'll start you know spending $200 [TS]

  a year at Apple care from that point [TS]

  forward but right but I mean it's tilt [TS]

  like until I start typing my phones that [TS]

  I I'm coming out ahead by not doing that [TS]

  so you're still doing your math wrong [TS]

  you have to drop your phone enough times [TS]

  to equal all the $200 all the money you [TS]

  would have paid for all your phones it's [TS]

  not $200 for each one because they used [TS]

  to be cheaper but you have to add up all [TS]

  that money and then if you wanted to try [TS]

  to balance the scales you should really [TS]

  only start buying Apple care after you [TS]

  match that amount right exactly and so [TS]

  far I haven't had to do that yet and an [TS]

  ad like I would have to I would have to [TS]

  pay full price for a lot of replacements [TS]

  to make my policy worth reconsidering [TS]

  and and also you know cases are also [TS]

  part of that deal like cases are 50 [TS]

  bucks at least you know for like for a [TS]

  decent one from Apple or you know a [TS]

  decent from anybody else you know you're [TS]

  generally looking at around that price [TS]

  range so like this stuff that you know [TS]

  you're paying for all these protective [TS]

  things but you're paying a lot for that [TS]

  protection and so you really have to be [TS]

  breaking things on a regular basis to [TS]

  make that to make you come out ahead [TS]

  with that so anyway I am caseless you [TS]

  are case ulis I you are also caseless [TS]

  and I don't know I'm not caseless this [TS]

  time I was that's right I am I'm rocking [TS]

  the black leather this time yeah how so [TS]

  so how is it it's like every other black [TS]

  leather leather case I've had I mean I [TS]

  like it it's very nice but like about [TS]

  the same one that they've been making [TS]

  since the sexes Bailey absolutely yeah I [TS]

  mean I choose black because when it [TS]

  wears it doesn't really look any [TS]

  different I know there's a lot of people [TS]

  that like what is it like saddle brown [TS]

  or whatever and once it gets worn it it [TS]

  kind of gets that that that I don't know [TS]

  I don't know how to describe it's not [TS]

  really patina but it has that like look [TS]

  to it and I know a lot of people that [TS]

  really like that that's not really my [TS]

  cup of tea [TS]

  and I personally like a very quiet case [TS]

  in the sense of visually quiet so I've [TS]

  always had black leather cases my curly [TS]

  is apparently I don't know if he's [TS]

  received it at this point but it was [TS]

  looking into getting a bumper which [TS]

  actually sounded really interesting to [TS]

  me I don't think it would be what I [TS]

  would choose because that especially [TS]

  that back glass if you shatter that [TS]

  that's a bad day so I'm I'm gonna stick [TS]

  with the black leather case and we'll [TS]

  see how that goes [TS]

  the other thing with any kind of case [TS]

  and bumper is that it does interfere [TS]

  with the side gestures and even though [TS]

  like you know and once you get one like [TS]

  you know I use my 6 and 6s the entire [TS]

  time I had them with with apples other [TS]

  case and and you do get used to it and [TS]

  but but it does make the swipe in from [TS]

  the side gesture a little harder to do [TS]

  and it gives you a little less room to [TS]

  do it and also it just collected dust [TS]

  around that edge and everything it's I [TS]

  don't I just I prefer not to use a case [TS]

  unless I really have to or unless I feel [TS]

  like I really have to and so far with [TS]

  the 10 I don't think I'll need it the [TS]

  only thing that makes me nervous is just [TS]

  how expensive it is to repair and that [TS]

  it is a new size that I'm still getting [TS]

  used to holding and using so I'll get to [TS]

  that later on in the show a little bit [TS]

  but but so far I think I'm gonna [TS]

  probably stay either caseless or with [TS]

  some kind of minimal like stick on decal [TS]

  thing on the back just to increase grip [TS]

  alright moving on [TS]

  John you do not have an iPhone 10 in [TS]

  hand is that correct I thought you were [TS]

  gonna move on like last week where Marco [TS]

  edited out the part where I said whether [TS]

  or not I got Apple Care Plus just it was [TS]

  all about your wife it wasn't even about [TS]

  yours so it wasn't you know that's the [TS]

  iPhone 10 we're talking about it's the [TS]

  only one I have I didn't get one anyway [TS]

  to reiterate we got Apple Care Plus [TS]

  because my wife drops her phone she [TS]

  drops her previous one twice also on the [TS]

  leather case the leather case for the 7 [TS]

  is way better than the level the other [TS]

  case for the 6 was if they change to [TS]

  like metal volume buttons that poked out [TS]

  through where is the 6 headlock these [TS]

  lumps in the leather I don't know what [TS]

  the leather case for the 10 is but I can [TS]

  tell you the leather case for the 7 is [TS]

  big upgrade over the 6 for all the [TS]

  buttons and I heard people saying they [TS]

  really like the leather case for the 10 [TS]

  that it had like aluminum buttons or [TS]

  whatever same thing with it with the 7 [TS]

  case and that is much much better than [TS]

  the lumps as for cases I've always used [TS]

  the case on all of my iOS things [TS]

  well you've used a case and and what and [TS]

  you yeah whatever I saw you you had like [TS]

  a little baggie that you would put your [TS]

  phone on couch yep yeah I use the pouch [TS]

  mostly I mean I don't know why I started [TS]

  using I think I got it from my applied [TS]

  touches mostly just so I can shove it in [TS]

  my pocket without worrying about [TS]

  anything hitting the screen and also it [TS]

  basically cleans the screen every time I [TS]

  do that around the house I don't use it [TS]

  obviously right it's only you know when [TS]

  I'm when I'm going out or run it's in my [TS]

  pocket [TS]

  most of the reason I'm getting the cases [TS]

  is for hand grip and for surface grip [TS]

  but in the modern era I think the main [TS]

  reason I probably will never go without [TS]

  a case despite everything Marco said [TS]

  about gestures were just true is because [TS]

  it evens out the camera bump and that is [TS]

  super drew on the 10 as we will talk [TS]

  about so yes I'm using a case on my [TS]

  iPhone 7 my wife got silicone cases for [TS]

  her iPhone 10 and because she is [TS]

  impatient and loves different colors she [TS]

  got two of them just like she did by the [TS]

  commuters you got three for a success [TS]

  Plus anyway so the second case looks [TS]

  good yeah actually the be leveling out [TS]

  the camera bump is a is a real thing [TS]

  that's another reason because like the [TS]

  camera bump on the six is noticeably [TS]

  larger I think than the in the previous [TS]

  ones and so like for the for the first [TS]

  time I'm actually interested in leveling [TS]

  out the camera bumper I didn't care [TS]

  before all right so yeah I have our next [TS]

  to ask ATP from Kapila wa mala Ratan a [TS]

  hope I got that right do you think Siri [TS]

  lagging behind Google assistant will [TS]

  eventually hurt iPhone sales and this [TS]

  individual says I'm currently very [TS]

  tempted by the pixel to uh I don't know [TS]

  it's an interesting question I can tell [TS]

  you that I've gone through I feel like [TS]

  I'm I feelings about Siri go through [TS]

  kind of a sine wave where the the peak [TS]

  of the sine wave is like the grudgingly [TS]

  accepting how bad Siri is and right now [TS]

  I'm in a valley because I friggin hate [TS]

  Siri and I feel like it's constantly [TS]

  giving me wrong data or not [TS]

  understanding what I'm trying to tell it [TS]

  but I don't have an Alexa in the house I [TS]

  don't have a Google home in the house I [TS]

  don't really ever use any Android or [TS]

  Amazon devices so I don't really know [TS]

  what I'm missing and because of that for [TS]

  me I mean obviously and obviously I'm [TS]

  all in on Apple anyway but I don't think [TS]

  for me in people who don't have like [TS]

  these multicultural households if you [TS]

  will in terms of you know assistance I [TS]

  don't know that anyone really realizes [TS]

  how crappy Siri is including myself [TS]

  but I'm curious to hear for like you [TS]

  guys that have multiple you know talking [TS]

  tubes in the house do you think that [TS]

  this is a much bigger risk you know for [TS]

  me it depends on what you're using it [TS]

  for you know for me Siri is a is just [TS]

  one part of why I choose Apple products [TS]

  and why I love the iPhone so much and [TS]

  why I use the iPhone over other phones [TS]

  I think Siri not being as good as it [TS]

  should be is a real problem and but it's [TS]

  a real problem that is of different [TS]

  degrees of severity depending on the [TS]

  product you're talking about so for [TS]

  something like the home pod that's a big [TS]

  problem like if Siri is not somehow [TS]

  miraculously way better and way more [TS]

  consistent and way less aciem that way [TS]

  less personality on the home pod then it [TS]

  is everywhere else right now then the [TS]

  home pod is gonna be I think really [TS]

  annoying to use in practice because when [TS]

  it's when well that's the only interface [TS]

  you have to something it really has to [TS]

  be good and consistent and smart and it [TS]

  has to do the right thing like every [TS]

  time and that's what the Amazon echo [TS]

  does like it yep the echo is really [TS]

  really good it's really consistent it [TS]

  hardly ever fails and when it does fail [TS]

  it doesn't do so with a cutesy response [TS]

  where it's trying to be funny that [TS]

  really just makes you want to set the [TS]

  world on fire Siri in that kind of [TS]

  context is gonna be a problem I think [TS]

  but in you know for my phone the the [TS]

  other reasons I choose the iPhone are so [TS]

  much greater than the variance between [TS]

  Siri and the other voice assistance that [TS]

  the other reasons will always overpower [TS]

  that difference even if the iPhone [TS]

  didn't have Siri at all even if it did [TS]

  not have any voice interface at all I [TS]

  would still choose the iPhone over [TS]

  anything else just because the rest of [TS]

  it is so compelling compared to that now [TS]

  other people might have different [TS]

  responses to that but for me and I think [TS]

  for a lot of people I think the voice [TS]

  features are really secondary and and [TS]

  their convenience features on a phone [TS]

  most of what you do on a phone is not [TS]

  through that voice interface for most [TS]

  people [TS]

  so you know again like if your use case [TS]

  may vary but for me it's like I want [TS]

  Siri to be better for lots of reasons [TS]

  and I think it needs to be better for [TS]

  lots of reasons [TS]

  but it's not gonna kill iPhone sales in [TS]

  a meaningful way if it's not so you [TS]

  missed the key booby trap in this [TS]

  question here which is the word [TS]

  eventually yes that's right it's [TS]

  everybody's favorite it's gonna rain so [TS]

  we'd like an infinite times to Gale horn [TS]

  or something ya Gong do you think Syria [TS]

  lagging behind Google system will [TS]

  eventually hurt iPhone sales so there's [TS]

  two aspects of this and the reason I [TS]

  picked this question I'm never gonna put [TS]

  a gong in my office I have to bail up [TS]

  here but the bells nice and small a gong [TS]

  is not small at a time scale Gong yeah I [TS]

  mean you can get a little desk gone but [TS]

  I mean if you're gonna get a gong get a [TS]

  real one you know get like the one like [TS]

  on the floor stay and ear your [TS]

  accessories need to be under control air [TS]

  so the the eventually part of this if [TS]

  voice assistants become more and more [TS]

  important on phones and Siri continues [TS]

  to lag behind Google assistant then I [TS]

  think your calculus might change Marco [TS]

  if everyone else is talking to the [TS]

  phone's constantly and get an awesome [TS]

  response from it and it's like the most [TS]

  convenient way to do a whole bunch of [TS]

  things but cereal continues to lag [TS]

  behind that may change your calculus on [TS]

  exactly how important you feel is [TS]

  nothing to make you buy an Android front [TS]

  or whatever but the other angle on this [TS]

  is that Google assistant is available on [TS]

  iOS the only difference is that Apple [TS]

  privileges Siri to be the one with the [TS]

  good system integration so Apple's [TS]

  ultimate out if it can never get Siri to [TS]

  be as good a Google assistant and if a [TS]

  voice assistance on phones become much [TS]

  more important than they are today Apple [TS]

  always has the ability to say assuming [TS]

  you know Google Danes to continue to be [TS]

  on the iOS which I assume they will [TS]

  because if they're on now and they have [TS]

  80% market share I don't see why they [TS]

  wouldn't be forever is okay we will just [TS]

  make api's so that any voice assistant [TS]

  has the same kind of integration that [TS]

  Siri does and then voila your iPhone has [TS]

  just as good a voice assistant as Google [TS]

  because it's the same voice assistant [TS]

  that would be kind of a failure scenario [TS]

  and showed that they couldn't hack it [TS]

  with Siri but I think it is likely that [TS]

  voice assistants will [TS]

  become more important on phones than [TS]

  they are today I'm not sure how far [TS]

  it'll go but certainly I'll become more [TS]

  important and more important to KC's [TS]

  point about us having cylinders in the [TS]

  house I continue to have really good [TS]

  customer status of but every once in a [TS]

  while in addition to asking you to set [TS]

  timers and do math for me right I I will [TS]

  yell from three rooms away not even yell [TS]

  just like like this is the most recent [TS]

  thing where I was blown away with it [TS]

  like I'm in my TV room but just like two [TS]

  rooms away it's like kind of on the [TS]

  other side of the house but on the same [TS]

  floor and we were having debate about [TS]

  the ages of actors on the show we were [TS]

  watching and I just asked to the air in [TS]

  a slightly louder voice than normal but [TS]

  not screaming you know name of actor how [TS]

  old how old is this actor and how old [TS]

  was that actor it gave me the answers [TS]

  like it didn't say I can't find a person [TS]

  by that name or didn't misspell it or [TS]

  mistranslate it because it's powered by [TS]

  Google and Google is the ultimate engine [TS]

  for typing a bunch of characters that [TS]

  you think might approximate the spelling [TS]

  of a celebrity's name and because [TS]

  they're celebrity it goes I think I know [TS]

  who you meant even though you got that [TS]

  name totally wrong and it works over [TS]

  voice too that's not a very you know [TS]

  amazing thing to do but if I had taken [TS]

  out my phone and asked Siri to do it or [TS]

  asked the home pod I can just imagine it [TS]

  picking a name for my contacts that [TS]

  sounds like the celebrity name and [TS]

  giving me their age or saying there's no [TS]

  birthday information or saying it [TS]

  couldn't provide that information so I [TS]

  think the lead is real and I think it [TS]

  will eventually be a problem for Apple [TS]

  but I think Apple has the ability to [TS]

  turn back the clock to 2007 and say [TS]

  Google powers all of our cool cloud [TS]

  stuff because they're great at that and [TS]

  we make the hardware in the OS which [TS]

  would be bad as far as Apple's concerned [TS]

  but it's always there as an out you know [TS]

  I would say though is like in the [TS]

  context of phone sales which is worth [TS]

  with a question which really about we've [TS]

  had voice input on laptops now for a [TS]

  while but it hasn't really resulted in [TS]

  people talking to the laptops very often [TS]

  the the primary way that people interact [TS]

  with their laptops by far is still [TS]

  typing and looking at things on the [TS]

  screen my mom my mom talks to her laptop [TS]

  a lot more than you would [TS]

  I think there is a there is a kind of a [TS]

  divide of traditional computer users and [TS]

  people who for whom even crappy voice is [TS]

  better than mouse and keyboard it's not [TS]

  it's not widespread you're right most [TS]

  people don't talk to their computers but [TS]

  if voice assistants become better I feel [TS]

  like that could start to change too oh [TS]

  yeah but but I'm saying like it's we've [TS]

  had it now for a while and it's still [TS]

  while some people do it it still is not [TS]

  the primary way most people interact [TS]

  with it and phones we don't even we've [TS]

  now had voice assistance on phones for [TS]

  one day longer than Steve Jobs has been [TS]

  gone so that's it's a while now and they [TS]

  still have not become the primary [TS]

  interface for interacting with phones [TS]

  and I feel like every form factor of [TS]

  computing device you know they become [TS]

  compelling they become useful and [TS]

  popular to be used in certain ways and [TS]

  you know the laptop is established as [TS]

  like the mainstream PC thing and there's [TS]

  the way you use a laptop it's with a [TS]

  keyboard and a trackpad and that's been [TS]

  established for some time and nothing's [TS]

  really going to change that meaningfully [TS]

  probably a phone has been established to [TS]

  be a screen that's hand held or [TS]

  approximately hand held that you can [TS]

  touch with your finger and do [TS]

  multi-touch gestures and type on the [TS]

  glass and everything and like have that [TS]

  be the primary interface you can do [TS]

  other things with them you can control [TS]

  it by voice you know you can do other [TS]

  methods with these things but those have [TS]

  been the primary interfaces and over [TS]

  time we really haven't seen anything to [TS]

  suggest that these basic form factor [TS]

  categories and the way you interact with [TS]

  them really meaningfully changes or [TS]

  dramatically changes over time you know [TS]

  a laptop that you buy today while the [TS]

  keyboard sucks and it has no ports is [TS]

  roughly the same proportions and form [TS]

  factor as laptops we had 15 years ago [TS]

  it's just better you know but it's the [TS]

  same general thing the same approximate [TS]

  size the same approximate you know class [TS]

  of device and you interact with roughly [TS]

  the same way so a phone over time if you [TS]

  think about like even on your infinite [TS]

  time scale argument like you know phones [TS]

  might be replaced by something else down [TS]

  the road you know but eventually they [TS]

  probably will oh they're pretty they're [TS]

  pretty [TS]

  compelling now for and they they [TS]

  probably will be for quite some time a [TS]

  phone's primary interface is very likely [TS]

  to remain touch for a very long time [TS]

  probably for the entire rest of the time [TS]

  that phones are relevant devices that [TS]

  people carry but doesn't matter what the [TS]

  primary interface is though like I I [TS]

  agree with you like it's got it's a [TS]

  giant screen that you touch like of [TS]

  course that's gonna be how you're gonna [TS]

  interact with but if voice becomes a [TS]

  more important part of how you interact [TS]

  with the phone doesn't be the primary [TS]

  way doesn't mean you stop touching the [TS]

  screen you're always gonna touch screens [TS]

  the whole point like you said it's in [TS]

  your hand it's a little thing in your [TS]

  hand until it's replaced by like magic [TS]

  eyeglasses or some other thing in your [TS]

  ear or something or whatever yes you're [TS]

  gonna be touching it primarily but [TS]

  imagine I imagine very frequently how [TS]

  much better voice could be when I'm [TS]

  driving a car and I hear my little phone [TS]

  being in my pocket I would love to say [TS]

  read the text for me but I can't say [TS]

  that I can't even say hey Siri read the [TS]

  text for me because it won't hear me [TS]

  because it's in my pocket but it's [TS]

  connected to bluetooth through my car so [TS]

  it's using my car's crappy microphone [TS]

  like it could be it could be better and [TS]

  for for you know when the voice didn't [TS]

  exist on iOS devices people were just [TS]

  touching them entirely right there was [TS]

  no no sirree right when voice was added [TS]

  it didn't really change our lives that [TS]

  much except for maybe we use a set [TS]

  timers and stuff but it radically [TS]

  changed the way my mother uses iOS [TS]

  devices and Macs because her primary [TS]

  typing interface is speaking to her [TS]

  devices now does not mean that the [TS]

  primary way she uses her laptop or her [TS]

  phone is by voice of course not she's [TS]

  using the mouse or the trackpad or you [TS]

  know their fingers to use the iOS device [TS]

  but anytime text netbook comes along she [TS]

  dictates it I can tell because I see the [TS]

  dictate O's and all four stop I'm [TS]

  picturing as a vegetable even though I [TS]

  know what you meant but yeah sometimes [TS]

  it's funny you have to kind of sound it [TS]

  out to figure out what she was to be she [TS]

  doesn't she doesn't go back and edit [TS]

  because editing would require her to try [TS]

  to like place the cursor in iOS on her [TS]

  phone and you know it's not gonna work [TS]

  with her vision and her fingernails is [TS]

  just not gonna happen but I think that [TS]

  really has changed how she's done things [TS]

  and if you said you can have a computer [TS]

  or a phone but it won't do you know [TS]

  speech to text she would not like it [TS]

  so all I'm saying is I think it could [TS]

  potentially become more important and if [TS]

  Google assistant gets to the point where [TS]

  I can do things like [TS]

  who just texted me was that my wife like [TS]

  if I can interact with it in kind of a [TS]

  naturalistic way and a regular tone of [TS]

  voice and have an expectation that it'll [TS]

  know what the heck I'm talking about and [TS]

  responded in a reasonable way that is a [TS]

  game-changer right you you cross some [TS]

  threshold just like touch responsiveness [TS]

  cross some threshold with the iPhone [TS]

  it's like oh I see that Touch is [TS]

  supposed to be voice it's not there yet [TS]

  but I feel like it could get there and [TS]

  become a more important part of how your [TS]

  phone worked any of you saw everyone [TS]

  else driving with their Android phones [TS]

  interacting doing those interactions not [TS]

  as their primary using the phone but [TS]

  just like sometimes it's that's the most [TS]

  convenient way to do stuff if you see [TS]

  that happening and your iPhone can't do [TS]

  it because every time you try to talk to [TS]

  it like the bloops at the wrong time or [TS]

  like tells you it can't help you or runs [TS]

  like a web search and says I found five [TS]

  things about is that for my wife yeah [TS]

  that's fair and and I do you know you're [TS]

  right that like if there's radical [TS]

  differences between Syria and its [TS]

  competitors that it does start become an [TS]

  issue but it's only an issue to the [TS]

  degree that voice input is important to [TS]

  that device and so if input is always [TS]

  the secondary way you're interacting [TS]

  with this thing if you're mostly still [TS]

  touching it and you and voice is just [TS]

  like the secondary set of features it's [TS]

  way less important whether the voice [TS]

  input is mediocre or excellent and so I [TS]

  think Siri can continue and it's and [TS]

  because the rest of the phone is so much [TS]

  better than its competitors and for [TS]

  almost everybody for almost every recent [TS]

  sorry Android people that's that's the [TS]

  way it is because the primary interface [TS]

  is so advanced and so compelling [TS]

  the secondary interface I think has way [TS]

  more tolerance to be mediocre and still [TS]

  not make people change their buying [TS]

  habits really like I'm always depressed [TS]

  that I can't even get like my immediate [TS]

  family to to get on board with iPhones [TS]

  and this is the thing where I start to [TS]

  worry that even though it seems clear to [TS]

  us that iOS has advantages like there [TS]

  are you know advantages that we [TS]

  appreciate it's very clear that they are [TS]

  advanced just that most of the rest of [TS]

  the world does not appreciate or at [TS]

  least they do not appreciate them enough [TS]

  to pay for them so I you know my sister [TS]

  has an Android phone and she replaced it [TS]

  with another Android phone and I [TS]

  couldn't convince her to get an iPhone [TS]

  you know why because well I got was [TS]

  Android phone and it [TS]

  $200 but I got $150 Costco rebate so it [TS]

  even cost less than that can you show me [TS]

  the iPhone I can buy $450 and I was like [TS]

  no I can't show you the iPhone you can [TS]

  buy for $150 and there's no way I could [TS]

  convince her that a difference between [TS]

  $50 net and $800 for an iPhone like but [TS]

  don't you see how much better iOS is [TS]

  it's like I do not see $750 or the [TS]

  difference and that's why I'm Android [TS]

  has 80% market share like bones are such [TS]

  a commodity now that people just want a [TS]

  phone any casually they want a new phone [TS]

  but it's like it's like who buys [TS]

  batteries from the Seinfeld episode like [TS]

  how you pay money for your phone I got [TS]

  this one for 50 bucks and it's fine I [TS]

  got this one 50 bucks and it's fine [TS]

  might as well be the Android slogan like [TS]

  it is an incredible you cannot there's [TS]

  nothing you can say to someone who says [TS]

  I got this for me dollars and it's fine [TS]

  because they don't care about phones [TS]

  they're not phone enthusiasts they're [TS]

  not phone power users they just want a [TS]

  phone that lets them do phone things and [TS]

  it's 50 dollars and there's nothing you [TS]

  can say to them I say this thousand [TS]

  dollar iPhone 10 that reads your face [TS]

  like magic is like don't you want this [TS]

  now it's like maybe if I have an infant [TS]

  money but I got this is $150 and it's [TS]

  fine this is the show we're about to [TS]

  talk about how much we love our iPhone [TS]

  10 so you know spoilers well we still [TS]

  have one more one more ask a TV to go [TS]

  through Ananda would like to know is [TS]

  Marco getting in a Sony a7r 3 since they [TS]

  addressed the battery concerns he had [TS]

  with the mark 2 so my understanding is [TS]

  you're a 7 r2 if memory serves the [TS]

  battery was just it won't fly under [TS]

  under suited for the for the device and [TS]

  you were charging constantly so - is [TS]

  that an accurate retelling and does the [TS]

  a7 r3 fix that by the answer I love how [TS]

  this question calls is the previous [TS]

  version of the Sony camera the mark 2 [TS]

  that's kind of crossing the streams [TS]

  there it's not the market that's the [TS]

  Canon lingo and before that many of the [TS]

  things anyway the a7 r2 that I had two [TS]

  main problems with it the battery life [TS]

  was one and the other was the general [TS]

  speed of handling things like you know [TS]

  like reviewing an image that I just shot [TS]

  or just you know speed and [TS]

  responsiveness of the controls in the [TS]

  system and shooting and everything else [TS]

  it was you know capturing those giant 42 [TS]

  megapixel images off that sensor the the [TS]

  camera is image processor I think just [TS]

  couldn't handle that very well and so a [TS]

  lot of operations on the 5d Mark are [TS]

  sorry Wow on the a7 r2 are just really [TS]

  sluggish and when you when I switched [TS]

  back to Canon 4 and I got the 5d Mark 4 [TS]

  instead it's night and day difference I [TS]

  mean it isn't as many megapixels I think [TS]

  it's only 30 you don't quote only 30 [TS]

  instead of 42 but processing those [TS]

  pixels and navigating and shooting and [TS]

  reviewing the images and zooming into [TS]

  the images to see if they're sharp but [TS]

  everything like it's just a million [TS]

  times faster on the 5d Mark 4 than it is [TS]

  on the a7 are - so the a7 r3 we just [TS]

  announced I I don't know if it's out yet [TS]

  but it's could either way it's it's out [TS]

  shortly or now and I when I sold by a7 [TS]

  r2 to Stephen Hackett I kept my two [TS]

  favorite lenses the the 55 and a 35 [TS]

  primes because I thought you know Len [TS]

  lens resale value is not going to change [TS]

  much in a year and if I end up buying [TS]

  back into the Sony ecosystem you know I [TS]

  have these lenses I'd have to rebuy them [TS]

  so I I kind of left the door open that I [TS]

  could go back if I wanted to [TS]

  the a7 r3 promises to it uses the new [TS]

  batteries that the a9 introduced in 89 [TS]

  is it's like a fast sports camera that [TS]

  and that's not really what I would what [TS]

  I be looking for it uses the same [TS]

  batteries that does which have allegedly [TS]

  I think like two-and-a-half times the [TS]

  capacity of the old ones and allegedly [TS]

  the a7 r3 also has a faster image [TS]

  processor but until it's actually out [TS]

  and until people can actually review it [TS]

  and maybe I can rent one it's it's hard [TS]

  to quantify that it's like well how much [TS]

  faster is it and how much better are [TS]

  those batteries if it's only a little [TS]

  bit better that's not good enough for me [TS]

  if it can make it to the speed and [TS]

  responsiveness level of a Canon [TS]

  full-frame SLR and with the battery life [TS]

  that could be similar then we'll talk [TS]

  but it's too early to know that yet I am [TS]

  very tempted though because as you know [TS]

  in the Canada world while I do [TS]

  absolutely love the speed and the [TS]

  handling and the basically infinite [TS]

  battery life the full-size SLRs have [TS]

  compared to perilous I do miss those 42 [TS]

  megapixels when I try to shoot myself a [TS]

  new 5 K wallpaper and I also miss the [TS]

  in-body stabilization to make every lens [TS]

  stabilize basically so i i'm curious to [TS]

  rent one when it comes out whenever i [TS]

  can get my hands on a rental it might be [TS]

  a while but I'm not rushing out to buy [TS]

  it yet [TS]

  because I I think the most likely [TS]

  outcome here is that it will be better [TS]

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  sponsoring our show it's iPhone time it [TS]

  sounds like all three households have [TS]

  received at least one iPhone 10 in the [TS]

  case of our house I got one and Aaron [TS]

  got one I got the whatever we're calling [TS]

  it whatever the Apple term is for black [TS]

  2:56 Aaron got whatever the Apple term [TS]

  is for white 256 Marco how did your [TS]

  house end up white 256 and then John how [TS]

  did you end up I didn't receive a phone [TS]

  I had to go out and get it alright I our [TS]

  phone but it was like two or three weeks [TS]

  wait but I in the days since ordering [TS]

  the phone I've been using the store app [TS]

  to try to do in-store pickup and I [TS]

  forget one morning like one weekend [TS]

  morning or an 8 a.m. I did my typical [TS]

  order and went to see what's available [TS]

  for in-store pickup and I saw that my [TS]

  local Apple Store has the phone that I [TS]

  wanted so I said please reserve that [TS]

  from me I will come pick it up at the [TS]

  appointed time and we did and we came [TS]

  picked up at the appointed time now it [TS]

  was tricky because this is my wife's own [TS]

  remember she had an outstanding order [TS]

  and we did the Verizon Way where you [TS]

  enter all the information so that when [TS]

  you get the phone it's basically already [TS]

  assigned to her phone number when you [TS]

  take it out of the box and activate it [TS]

  it deactivates your other phone and [TS]

  everything right and like that's we had [TS]

  that in process it would not let me [TS]

  reserve for in-store pick up a phone [TS]

  with her same number on it right because [TS]

  it says you already have a phone that's [TS]

  you know in process the only way you can [TS]

  do this it said basically was to receive [TS]

  the order and then like I don't know [TS]

  return it or something like it didn't [TS]

  even give you the option to say if you [TS]

  can't see the other order will let you [TS]

  go through this or it said no you cannot [TS]

  do another order until that order [TS]

  arrives so we're never so instead I [TS]

  ordered the iPhone 10 from me with my [TS]

  telephone number [TS]

  because my wife just wanted to get the [TS]

  phone she's like just do it just do [TS]

  whatever it takes to get the phone we'll [TS]

  start it out afterwards and so we did we [TS]

  ordered it with my phone number and my [TS]

  thing and took the iPhone 10 went to the [TS]

  store to pick it up took it out of the [TS]

  box it activated as my phone a [TS]

  deactivated my phone then we did some [TS]

  sim swapping and a couple minutes later [TS]

  we were busily updating the stupid thing [TS]

  to iOS 11.1 because it shipped with [TS]

  eleven point 0.1 and restoring from [TS]

  backup and completely forgetting to do [TS]

  the watch thing which we'll discuss in a [TS]

  little bit but all in all she eventually [TS]

  got her whatever the hell it is black [TS]

  Space Gray 256 that now is correctly [TS]

  assigned to her telephone number and I'm [TS]

  back on my iPhone 7 alright I'm going to [TS]

  just start with some of my impressions [TS]

  and if you guys let me I'll carry on [TS]

  until I'm done but in all likelihood [TS]

  we're gonna end up just all of us [TS]

  talking about everything so oh wait [TS]

  before you begin the point I wanted to [TS]

  make what the in-store pickup if you [TS]

  have an order with Apple and you're [TS]

  waiting and like oh man I go wait three [TS]

  weeks just everyday in the morning go to [TS]

  the Apple Store app on iOS try to order [TS]

  it and see it and do in-store pickup [TS]

  it's before you complete the order it'll [TS]

  show you what stores have the model and [TS]

  the model and size available in your [TS]

  area available for pickup there's a lot [TS]

  of availability every single day new [TS]

  stuff comes in every single day in the [TS]

  morning just do that it's really easy to [TS]

  get a phone for local pickup before your [TS]

  one that you are comes you can always [TS]

  just cancel your order which is what we [TS]

  did so I would encourage everyone who is [TS]

  being a patient or the phone do that [TS]

  look for in-store pickup everyday so [TS]

  initial impressions at the time I tried [TS]

  to take some very very very brief notes [TS]

  it's heavy or at least I feel like it's [TS]

  heavy [TS]

  not bad heavy just oh this is heavier [TS]

  kind of heavy curiously though the size [TS]

  doesn't act I don't get actively [TS]

  reminded that it's bigger if that makes [TS]

  sense like if I think about it for a [TS]

  half second oh yeah this feels bigger [TS]

  than what I'm used to but it's not like [TS]

  the Plus Club where I feel like I'm [TS]

  holding a dinner tray it's just it's [TS]

  it's close enough to my old one that it [TS]

  feels about the same do you do you feel [TS]

  similarly or do you feel like you [TS]

  definitely notice the size Marko so I [TS]

  took notes as I was [TS]

  like experiencing it just so I could you [TS]

  know get some opinions down my first two [TS]

  notes are it looks great period it's [TS]

  heavy period my first to my initial [TS]

  reaction to it very very clear [TS]

  I actually just for the second compares [TS]

  and I just pulled my iPhone 7 out of the [TS]

  drawer and first of all man this is way [TS]

  grippier have a no question way grippier [TS]

  but yeah the weight difference is [TS]

  immediately apparent going either [TS]

  direction you know it's it's definitely [TS]

  a weighty phone but you know I will say [TS]

  you know about the size I agree with you [TS]

  that it does not feel that it doesn't [TS]

  feel like a plus phone I will say though [TS]

  it is like having a regular iPhone 7 in [TS]

  your pocket and in other places like you [TS]

  know in Docs and in cars and then cup [TS]

  holder isn't like it feels like an [TS]

  iPhone 7 physically but when actually [TS]

  using it it feels like using a plus [TS]

  because it's so much harder to reach [TS]

  things hmmm I see your point so it likes [TS]

  to summarize like it's like having a [TS]

  plus in your hand but a7 in your pocket [TS]

  I mostly agree with that but I think in [TS]

  in my hand that in my pocket my main [TS]

  impression of it is is that it's taller [TS]

  like I know it's not actually thinner [TS]

  but because it's taller when I mentally [TS]

  envision it and think about holding it I [TS]

  think oh that's the one that's like [TS]

  skinnier than my iPhone 7 but taller [TS]

  it's not right but because it's taller [TS]

  that's my impression and Margot is 100% [TS]

  right with like okay that's how it feels [TS]

  as a physical object what happens when [TS]

  you start trying to touch your screen [TS]

  you're like oh there's a lot more screen [TS]

  than they used to be and some of its [TS]

  harder to reach I can get behind that I [TS]

  do feel like the width is is the thing [TS]

  that I notice most or that makes me most [TS]

  uncomfortable it's not I don't feel like [TS]

  I don't have numbers in front of me it's [TS]

  not egregiously wider than what I'm used [TS]

  to but it's wide enough that it's just [TS]

  ever so slightly uncomfortable and I [TS]

  think Marco you're a hundred percent [TS]

  right that yeah the screen is big enough [TS]

  that this is really a two hand phone but [TS]

  I think because I just knew that the [TS]

  screen was going to be much bigger that [TS]

  I was like mentally prepped for that but [TS]

  I was not mentally or physically prepped [TS]

  for [TS]

  being noticeably wider and if it ever if [TS]

  there's ever a time that I'm reminded [TS]

  about the physical differences of the [TS]

  phone it's because I'm trying to hold it [TS]

  and I feel like it's just just the hint [TS]

  wider than I want it to be it's thicker [TS]

  than me it may just be because my wife's [TS]

  got a silicone case which might be [TS]

  thicker than the other one that I'm used [TS]

  to and I have no idea if it actually is [TS]

  thicker than the Sun but this is just [TS]

  how it feels when I think about the 10 [TS]

  and the silicone case versus the 7 in [TS]

  the leather like I said at the opposite [TS]

  of Casey that I feel like the 10 is [TS]

  skinnier even though it isn't and like [TS]

  like not as wide right and I also have [TS]

  the impression that the 10 is thicker I [TS]

  didn't notice the weight as much as you [TS]

  - I know I recognize that it is heavier [TS]

  and I guess I'm I did him side by side I [TS]

  would notice that but just having [TS]

  attended myself I don't notice the [TS]

  weight as much but I noticed that it's [TS]

  thicker and taller it is thicker I just [TS]

  put them on a desk with their Kimber was [TS]

  hanging off to normalize that for the [TS]

  non bump space and yeah it is thicker [TS]

  noticeably I will so they're like I [TS]

  don't actually like what I'm not doing a [TS]

  flat on the desk comparison test it [TS]

  doesn't read to me as thicker yeah I [TS]

  would agree with that I agree with what [TS]

  you said Marko that it's beautiful one [TS]

  of the first things I noticed and [TS]

  somebody else had said this on Twitter [TS]

  and I don't I don't recall who it was [TS]

  but they had said it looks manias Panza [TS]

  reno they had said that it looks as [TS]

  though the screen is photoshopped onto [TS]

  the device you're holding and I don't [TS]

  know if I would have character [TS]

  characterized it that way [TS]

  had I not read it already but that was a [TS]

  perfect description of it that it seems [TS]

  like the screen is just photoshopped on [TS]

  to this like object that you're holding [TS]

  it is so I'm assuming it's just that [TS]

  it's so close to the glass even closer [TS]

  than it ever has been I can't wait till [TS]

  they actually get a screen on the [TS]

  surface of something because this is [TS]

  exactly what we used to say like when [TS]

  they did the fused glass on the floor I [TS]

  was like wow the pixels are coming [TS]

  they're so close to your fingers and [TS]

  it's true over time that pickles have [TS]

  been getting closer to your fingers and [TS]

  this is the closest yet but I definitely [TS]

  I think it was slightly overblown to say [TS]

  they look like it was far shot line yes [TS]

  it does look like it's closer than other [TS]

  phones but it doesn't feel to me as if [TS]

  I'm running my fingers over our magazine [TS]

  picture cut out of a magazine right like [TS]

  it doesn't feel like the picture the [TS]

  picture [TS]

  on the surface there yes barely below it [TS]

  yeah either way yeah it just it I think [TS]

  it's beautiful the screen looks great I [TS]

  am I don't have a good enough I to be [TS]

  able to tell tell you anything about [TS]

  color reproduction or anything like that [TS]

  you don't notice the blacks you know [TS]

  unless the black levels you don't watch [TS]

  a movie on it no I haven't really [TS]

  watched movie with credits in a darkroom [TS]

  that as a black screen with the white [TS]

  title in the middle okay and then hold [TS]

  up your seven with the same movie and [TS]

  realize the seven is showing a gray [TS]

  background with white text in the middle [TS]

  yeah yeah no I'm with you I I just don't [TS]

  think I I'm discerning enough to be [TS]

  wowed by that until to your point I do a [TS]

  side-to-side test or side by side test [TS]

  that does HDR too I realized that this [TS]

  iPhone 10 is the only HDR screen I have [TS]

  in my house find some HDR movies and [TS]

  iTunes it looks pretty good turns out [TS]

  but yeah the screen looks great I will [TS]

  say that when I was on the plane earlier [TS]

  today I haven't be sitting in the middle [TS]

  of two gentlemen that both had plus [TS]

  phones I couldn't tell you specifically [TS]

  what vintage but they were both plus [TS]

  size phones and looking over at one of [TS]

  them and I this is probably just telling [TS]

  you how much of a jerk I am but I was [TS]

  kind of repulsed by how big the chin and [TS]

  forehead work I looked over and I was [TS]

  just like oh god those look ancient and [TS]

  they do it's a place for you to stick [TS]

  your gum when you're not using it just [TS]

  the table right John because at least [TS]

  you know which one's yours no seriously [TS]

  though like they both look so ancient [TS]

  and just oh like oh god that looks so [TS]

  old and in mine [TS]

  like I feel like this unequivocally [TS]

  looks like the future and we'll see what [TS]

  happens with the notch but it just looks [TS]

  way newer and way more modern so while [TS]

  we're talking about the screen and one [TS]

  of the you know typical like Apple [TS]

  problem with the new iPhone stories that [TS]

  went around was about the blue shift and [TS]

  in the screen there's you know Aaron [TS]

  quality all LEDs that it apparently it [TS]

  is I don't have no experience is always [TS]

  too low that when you're looking for [TS]

  screen head on looks gorgeous but if you [TS]

  tilt the screen a little bit away from [TS]

  you or too [TS]

  or whatever that the the colors shift [TS]

  towards blue and so when I got phone I [TS]

  tried this and they're right it shifts [TS]

  blow it definitely does but without [TS]

  looking no cheating what happens on a [TS]

  pre 10 iPhone when you tilt the screen [TS]

  off axis don't do it don't pick up your [TS]

  phone and do it don't look okay just [TS]

  tell me this is the pop quiz what [TS]

  happens on a pre iPhone screen when [TS]

  utility yellow I have no idea because it [TS]

  doesn't matter because I always look at [TS]

  my phone straight on or not at all and [TS]

  if I'm gonna have to look at it [TS]

  diagonally I won't care if it shifts [TS]

  slightly like this is such ironic I [TS]

  don't think you actually do always look [TS]

  at it on axis like and I because I think [TS]

  you do look at it tilted I just think [TS]

  that changes in color like this blue [TS]

  shift are subtle enough that nobody [TS]

  cares and to spoil it for you what [TS]

  preten I phones do what essentially IPS [TS]

  LCD do as they get dimmer instead of [TS]

  getting dimmer in all spectrums RGB [TS]

  spectrum equally the ten gets dimmer in [TS]

  the R and the G leaving the be a little [TS]

  bit more I'm not quite sure why it does [TS]

  this but that's how it works but if you [TS]

  now take them both and put them in front [TS]

  of you and tilt them both their their [TS]

  off axis viewing it's not greater than [TS]

  either one of them right [TS]

  but as Marco said either you're always [TS]

  looking at a head-on or it's tilted to [TS]

  such degree that you don't care so if [TS]

  you read a story about the iPhone 1000 [TS]

  it's green-blue shifting it does but it [TS]

  is no more egregious than what every [TS]

  iPhone you've ever done has done and I [TS]

  think most people well even if they've [TS]

  read a hundred stories about this and [TS]

  are terrified about it you will not [TS]

  notice it in practice and this screen [TS]

  looks amazing from from from any angle [TS]

  in all situations yeah it's a total [TS]

  non-issue because the fact that neither [TS]

  of us neither me or Casey could tell you [TS]

  what happened if you looked off access [TS]

  to the all the previewing I couldn't [TS]

  have told you either I had to do it I'm [TS]

  like well maybe you know LCD is [TS]

  especially IPS LCD SAR well known for [TS]

  really good of you know so I'm like oh [TS]

  well I guess it's just a disadvantage of [TS]

  all LEDs I'll take it because I like the [TS]

  black levels but LCDs don't do that [TS]

  right then I took my iPhone 7 and tilted [TS]

  I'm like nope pretty bad pretty bad tilt [TS]

  it and it gets very dim very fast like [TS]

  oh I never noticed that before and why [TS]

  because you just don't you just don't in [TS]

  normally use [TS]

  yeah after 10 years are using these [TS]

  things neither none of us can tell you [TS]

  what happened so it's like it's [TS]

  obviously not a big problem practice and [TS]

  and now that you look like go look for [TS]

  go take your iPhone 7 and put it on a [TS]

  white screen tilted it's not subtle like [TS]

  it gets really dark really fast like [TS]

  noticeably like if you put this on [TS]

  camera be like terrible flaw iPhone [TS]

  screen like that's just how the LCDs [TS]

  working we're all just used to it and [TS]

  it's fine and the blue thing should not [TS]

  bother most people speaking of things [TS]

  that should not bother most people not [TS]

  in portrait is a hundred percent a [TS]

  non-issue for me maybe you guys feel [TS]

  differently I'll give you a chance in a [TS]

  second but for me and portrait a hundred [TS]

  percent a non-issue in landscape it's [TS]

  weird [TS]

  I don't think it's as egregious as I [TS]

  expected we'll eat in either direction [TS]

  but particularly landscape but it's [TS]

  definitely weird and noticeable in [TS]

  landscape it doesn't actively offend me [TS]

  but it is kind of like huh that's funny [TS]

  so John in the in your usage what have [TS]

  you thought of the knotch so the the [TS]

  notch itself in portrait the only way it [TS]

  manifests for me in a negative light is [TS]

  what it does to the UI in terms of well [TS]

  this is not really the fault with much [TS]

  but I suppose but like the the control [TS]

  center and the notifications as I said [TS]

  in past shows I think it's a really [TS]

  clever use of you know making lemons [TS]

  that are making lemonade out of lemons [TS]

  really clever used to decide okay now we [TS]

  have this physical blob there we have [TS]

  two distinct regions that are [TS]

  distinguishable and can do different [TS]

  functions so they put control centre in [TS]

  one and notifications on the other but [TS]

  due to the very large size of the phone [TS]

  I don't want to go all the way to the up [TS]

  left to get notifications if I could go [TS]

  to the top middle or top right for [TS]

  notifications that would be way more [TS]

  convenient for me as someone who mostly [TS]

  holds their phone in their right hand [TS]

  and that's that's how the notch is [TS]

  annoying me because it's pushing a semi [TS]

  commonly-used control farther away from [TS]

  my thumb right so that's yeah but but [TS]

  other than that like the actual notch [TS]

  itself like mucking up my screen and [TS]

  portrait I don't even notice that it's [TS]

  there and it's an [TS]

  there and it's an [TS]

  escaped I don't tend to use my phone [TS]

  landscape landscape the main thing that [TS]

  annoys me is the proportion of the phone [TS]

  in terms of like viewing video which is [TS]

  what I'm gonna do it seems like a lot of [TS]

  the screen is wasted depending on what [TS]

  the the aspect ratio is that all the [TS]

  chat room is saying that the entire [TS]

  thing is notification except for the [TS]

  right corner yeah but I can't use the [TS]

  right corner and also it doesn't occur [TS]

  to me to swipe my fingers over the not [TS]

  to do it most of the time even though [TS]

  you can if only because I don't want to [TS]

  smear my greasy fingers over the lenses [TS]

  of the cameras which probably makes some [TS]

  difference because of focal distances [TS]

  but it's still something that I am [TS]

  averse to and likes it's it's not like [TS]

  oh do you always use the upper right [TS]

  hand corner of your 7 no but my 7 is not [TS]

  this damn tall so did you know it's it's [TS]

  stressing us out in landscape like I [TS]

  said it's I feel like a lot of the [TS]

  screen is often wasted in landscape and [TS]

  applications that do go full with the [TS]

  landscape I don't really need I don't I [TS]

  don't need them to say oh I wish you [TS]

  could have used that last little bit is [TS]

  like imagine if you're reading like a [TS]

  web page and landscape or very often I'm [TS]

  rotating some stupid person's image of [TS]

  text like they upload a heavily [TS]

  compressed JPEG of text that I can't [TS]

  read in portrait because the line length [TS]

  is 700 characters long so I have to [TS]

  rotate to landscape just so their image [TS]

  can get big enough for me to read their [TS]

  paragraph of screenshotted text without [TS]

  scrolling the image left to right like I [TS]

  thought okay yep yep yep I've been here [TS]

  a thousand times right even then I don't [TS]

  think that bothers me it looks awkward [TS]

  in screenshots and if you're designing [TS]

  an app I can imagine going am I going to [TS]

  deal with this thing in landscape but so [TS]

  far in practice the knotch hasn't [TS]

  bothered me you know its presence and [TS]

  its and the the lack of me but having [TS]

  those pixels between the two ears has [TS]

  not bothered me in any orientation and [TS]

  just in portrait it's the reach ability [TS]

  thing that's bothering me a little bit [TS]

  yeah I I have basically the same opinion [TS]

  the not really has not bothered me much [TS]

  it annoys me a little bit sometimes but [TS]

  in practice it's it's almost like the [TS]

  the iPhone 7 virtual home button thing [TS]

  like I thought beforehand you know many [TS]

  of us thought beforehand like this is [TS]

  gonna be a big problem it's gonna be a [TS]

  huge thing to get used to it's gonna be [TS]

  really annoying and then in practice it [TS]

  just wasn't and that's how the not just [TS]

  is proving to be for me like as a [TS]

  developer it's a huge pain in my rear [TS]

  end it's mostly in landscape [TS]

  but but as a user of the phone it really [TS]

  is not that noticeable most of the time [TS]

  I will say I do notice it when [TS]

  transitions happen [TS]

  that push content under it or pull [TS]

  content out from below it so leaving an [TS]

  app opening an app any kind of full [TS]

  screen that gets presented in an app and [TS]

  then later dismissed like you kind of it [TS]

  when your eye is kind of drawn to notice [TS]

  vertical things like that that reach the [TS]

  top of the screen I do notice it more [TS]

  but most of the rest of usage I don't [TS]

  notice the knotch it really isn't a [TS]

  problem the only other time I noticed it [TS]

  is when I try to tap it to scroll to the [TS]

  top and it doesn't work like because the [TS]

  nots is not touch sensitive so you can [TS]

  tap near the notch and it will scroll [TS]

  the top you can tap the ears it'll [TS]

  scroll the top but the actual not [TS]

  yourself is not touch sensitive they [TS]

  should just do it a drawing app it [TS]

  doesn't make the camera button yeah [TS]

  leave the camera on it just since when [TS]

  you put your finger over it it blacks it [TS]

  out oh what a hilarious but clever hack [TS]

  that was it didn't make it their app [TS]

  review turns out what a surprise but [TS]

  anyway yeah so yeah not so far [TS]

  I really it really doesn't seem to be a [TS]

  problem [TS]

  you can argue whether whether they need [TS]

  it to be there whether they could have [TS]

  done something more like the s8 but I [TS]

  think what they did actually works [TS]

  I paint me to say that because the notch [TS]

  is so weird and in landscape it really [TS]

  is a mess but I never use my phone in [TS]

  landscape [TS]

  unless I'm watching a video in which [TS]

  case I can have it do the zoom thing [TS]

  where it doesn't show over the knotch [TS]

  which I think any right-thinking person [TS]

  should but but you wouldn't want it [TS]

  you'll never like the video thing is not [TS]

  something that people should worry about [TS]

  because very little video unless you're [TS]

  watching like Lawrence of Arabia or [TS]

  something it's like you know really [TS]

  really wide aspect great right right the [TS]

  phone is not the same aspect ratio as [TS]

  most TV in movies it's wider than most [TS]

  TVs in movies it's the only time the not [TS]

  to interfere with your video is if [TS]

  you're zooming to cut off the top to the [TS]

  bottom of your pictures it's a really [TS]

  tall phone and when you turn sideways [TS]

  it's really wide yeah so overall not not [TS]

  really a problem it is it isn't perfect [TS]

  it's a little weird sometimes but [TS]

  overall it's [TS]

  seems fine so unlike the iPhone 7 home [TS]

  button or whatever was the home button [TS]

  is introduced I don't think it will be [TS]

  here next year saying and you know what [TS]

  I actually prefer the knotch to having [TS]

  no not like you want no reference and as [TS]

  I said I think when we were talking [TS]

  about the notch a couple episodes ago [TS]

  Apple doesn't want the notch to be there [TS]

  it's a compromise that is necessary for [TS]

  a whole bunch of other stuff that we're [TS]

  gonna get to in a little bit right if [TS]

  Apple can get rid of the knotch they [TS]

  will and no matter how big a part it [TS]

  becomes as a branding eventually this [TS]

  notch is going away when the tech exists [TS]

  to do it because if Johnny eyes is still [TS]

  alive [TS]

  bless his heart the true in the mental [TS]

  form of the iPhone is to be an unbroken [TS]

  it's not a round rack hyper ellipsoid [TS]

  whatever that shape completely uniform [TS]

  and by the way it's speaking of the [TS]

  uniform that's another thing about this [TS]

  phone it is more symmetrical more [TS]

  physically tactically tact [TS]

  yeah what's the tactile means like yeah [TS]

  tactile and touch sensitively like the [TS]

  surface features of it are more [TS]

  symmetrical than almost any other phone [TS]

  certainly I think it than any other [TS]

  iPhone right because they all had [TS]

  something that was indented in some way [TS]

  on the bottom to tell you that's the [TS]

  chin and then the thing without the [TS]

  indents is the forehead or you could [TS]

  feel the little speaker slit for the [TS]

  forehead or whatever it's not like an [TS]

  Apple TV remote and especially if you [TS]

  have a case it's pretty easy to tell [TS]

  what's up and what's down because the [TS]

  case Apple's cases at least don't have [TS]

  anything on the bottom which will become [TS]

  super important when we start talking [TS]

  about how you use this damn phone but it [TS]

  have come closer than I've ever come [TS]

  before to briefly attempting to pick up [TS]

  a phone in the wrong orientation so that [TS]

  is a factor and when Johnny gets his way [TS]

  and it is really truly uniform and [TS]

  there's no notch and like everything is [TS]

  it's the police featureless beautiful [TS]

  polished stone I mean maybe we won't [TS]

  matter because maybe like you can pick [TS]

  it up any way you want and the [TS]

  orientation won't matter because at that [TS]

  point Johnny's removed the volume [TS]

  buttons as well and we just all talk to [TS]

  it to change the volume it's really [TS]

  convenient just tap triple tap three or [TS]

  tap over to via Morse code and it will [TS]

  change the volume or just say hey Siri [TS]

  turn the volume up 80% [TS]

  I'm getting all snarky but but either [TS]

  way that is a factor with the 10 it is [TS]

  more symmetrical than previous iPhones [TS]

  and there is the possibility of you [TS]

  occasionally getting confused about [TS]

  which way is up but only briefly I don't [TS]

  think it's really a problem but it's in [TS]

  in the first few days with the phone I [TS]

  had that experience I will say one area [TS]

  where they changed the symmetry aspect a [TS]

  little bit I think for the better is [TS]

  that unlike the 6 7 and 8 and their plus [TS]

  varieties the sleep/wake button is now [TS]

  no longer perfectly overlapping [TS]

  symmetrically with the volume up button [TS]

  now the sleep/wake button has moved down [TS]

  slightly so it is centered between the [TS]

  volume up and down buttons so now it is [TS]

  substantially easier to hit sleep-wake [TS]

  or volume up without hitting the other [TS]

  one accidentally but then you do have to [TS]

  hit them for that's how you get like the [TS]

  the shutdown thing to come yeah usually [TS]

  still be squeezing do it yeah or during [TS]

  the command all delete sequence anyway [TS]

  yeah but you don't [TS]

  the other thing I will say though about [TS]

  the sleep/wake button I do love finally [TS]

  that it is no longer lined up perfectly [TS]

  with volume up however it is fairly [TS]

  difficult to double click it which makes [TS]

  it really annoying to use Apple pay you [TS]

  actually take 7 screenshots when you try [TS]

  to pay for something yeah like I have [TS]

  found Apple pay is is fairly tricky to [TS]

  invoke with that double click my poor [TS]

  wife would like I told her how to use [TS]

  Apple pay I didn't tell her the story [TS]

  about the people being confused about [TS]

  that the touch thing but it did say oh [TS]

  you know when you do Apple hey now just [TS]

  so you know you hit the power button [TS]

  twice right but you know what it's like [TS]

  when you're in like a checkout line and [TS]

  like this is the pressure for you to [TS]

  perform it's your new phone and you're [TS]

  not you know you haven't used it before [TS]

  but you don't want to look silly you [TS]

  don't want to hold people up and I think [TS]

  what she was doing was like you know it [TS]

  brings up that little thing on the [TS]

  screen that has like a highlight on the [TS]

  screen says here press this button twice [TS]

  to activate yeah mum pay or whatever you [TS]

  know that thing I think she was tapping [TS]

  on that on the screen and of course it's [TS]

  not doing anything and she's being [TS]

  flustered and she I think she eventually [TS]

  figured it out but first experience it's [TS]

  just I think [TS]

  that Guy'd that thing trying to tell you [TS]

  what to do is a good interface and that [TS]

  will help people but under pressure with [TS]

  people behind you at the checkout line [TS]

  everyone can be a little silly so tiny [TS]

  bit of learning curve there practice [TS]

  beforehand and I am sure it will be fine [TS]

  also and it's also annoying when you're [TS]

  downloading a new app from the App Store [TS]

  after purchases have the same thing [TS]

  where you have to double tap that thing [TS]

  at the other side button and if you hold [TS]

  your phone in your left hand that's [TS]

  surprisingly hard to do without hitting [TS]

  any other buttons accidentally so that's [TS]

  it's just it's it's not a good gesture I [TS]

  also wonder like why does that need to [TS]

  be there why can't you just tap on the [TS]

  screen or swipe up from the bottom or do [TS]

  anything anything else yeah why can't [TS]

  there be an on screen gesture to do that [TS]

  I don't understand why that has to be [TS]

  the only way to approve payments like [TS]

  maybe if you're like holding your phone [TS]

  down like on a subway turnstile you want [TS]

  something that's not on the screen to [TS]

  activate it I guess yeah yeah yeah I [TS]

  think you want a hardware thing as a [TS]

  fallback but yeah but like why can't I [TS]

  just have a button on screen saying you [TS]

  know pay like what no I don't understand [TS]

  why I need to double tap a hardware [TS]

  button while face ID has already [TS]

  authenticated me that doesn't make sense [TS]

  to me right yeah especially since you [TS]

  have to do face idea anyway before that [TS]

  so it knows I'm right here like it's [TS]

  just yeah that that that's like the one [TS]

  it's there's one of two changes to iOS [TS]

  that really I think were wrong calls to [TS]

  it to accommodate for this phone that [TS]

  and control centers location though I [TS]

  really hope that iOS 12 changes both of [TS]

  those things or gives us options to [TS]

  change those things because like most of [TS]

  iOS has adapted somewhat gracefully at [TS]

  least to this phone but that DoubleTap [TS]

  second to confirm payment and the [TS]

  control center being completely [TS]

  unreachable is those are big problems [TS]

  where would you put control center if [TS]

  not there because I agree with you a [TS]

  hundred percent that it is really an [TS]

  inconvenient location but I'm I'm at a [TS]

  loss as to where it should go [TS]

  it's swap it for reach ability swipe [TS]

  down on the home indicator which doesn't [TS]

  make sense physically but you can try it [TS]

  yeah I turned on reach ability to I [TS]

  figured I might need to use it because [TS]

  the phone so tall and I really have a [TS]

  hard time activating that honestly [TS]

  it isn't on it is not an easy gesture to [TS]

  do because the the area if you have to [TS]

  swipe down in doesn't have a lot of [TS]

  height and it's already the very bottom [TS]

  the phones if I reach all the way at the [TS]

  bottom which ironically for feature name [TS]

  reach ability is actually not that easy [TS]

  and then swipe down which is also not [TS]

  that easy from already being at the [TS]

  bottom so it's that's not an easy [TS]

  gesture to do there's lots of options [TS]

  where they could put Control Center I [TS]

  think some of them could be like you [TS]

  know certain you know maybe if you swipe [TS]

  up when you're already on the home [TS]

  screen you know something like that or [TS]

  it could be like the top half of [TS]

  Notification Center somehow there's [TS]

  other you could like swipe and it could [TS]

  be on the widgets screen like there are [TS]

  so many places they could put it you [TS]

  know I I hope they figure something out [TS]

  that's better because where they put it [TS]

  now is they basically taken the controls [TS]

  that you are more likely than average to [TS]

  have to use while holding the phone [TS]

  one-handed on the move and they have put [TS]

  them in the location that has the least [TS]

  possible to reach in that situation so I [TS]

  I think where they put it now is so bad [TS]

  that pretty much any other option would [TS]

  be better yeah I think control center [TS]

  itself could use some help and other [TS]

  people mention this like I'm the [TS]

  lockscreen now suddenly becomes much [TS]

  more usable when like it's not you know [TS]

  when face ID is in the mix like the fact [TS]

  that we can wake the phone up by [TS]

  touching the screen now means that [TS]

  suddenly if I could configurable things [TS]

  from control center on the screen [TS]

  instead of just flashlight and what is [TS]

  the other one it's flashlight and camera [TS]

  camera which you don't even need a [TS]

  camera there because because you can [TS]

  swipe from the side there are a few [TS]

  other options there's like Apple TV [TS]

  remotes and stuff but they made it [TS]

  slightly configurable in Iowa's 11i [TS]

  which was nice it was welcome but yeah [TS]

  they could do a lot more there's a lot [TS]

  of room on the screen and control center [TS]

  itself from from whenever they change [TS]

  this new control center I guess it was [TS]

  iOS 11 yeah you can configure it by [TS]

  saying which things you want it but you [TS]

  can't rearrange it and the ones you can [TS]

  figure get to go down and like the the [TS]

  other area as they slowly build like [TS]

  it's there's a lot of room for [TS]

  improvement in customization there and [TS]

  some of that might actually help with [TS]

  the reachability controls that are not [TS]

  the activation but once you activate it [TS]

  if things can be nearer the upper right [TS]

  because that's where your thumbs gonna [TS]

  be because that's where it just was to [TS]

  activate it like it just changes the [TS]

  calculus and how easy [TS]

  then while we're on this topic of Marco [TS]

  talking about the reachability gesture [TS]

  being tricky before we get to face ID [TS]

  the other important aspect of this phone [TS]

  the lack of a home button manifests in [TS]

  in all of us learning about the lovely [TS]

  swipe up from the bottom of your iPhone [TS]

  10 gesture which is the replacement for [TS]

  hitting the home button and also [TS]

  depending on how fast you do it to get [TS]

  you into multitasking and stuff like [TS]

  that but really one of the most common [TS]

  operations we all do and iPhones that [TS]

  have doing for a long time is [TS]

  essentially hitting the home button to [TS]

  go home right face ID and touch ID which [TS]

  we'll talk about in a bit is a separate [TS]

  thing and when you talk about touching [TS]

  the home button sometimes it gets [TS]

  confuse the face ID it's like well you [TS]

  have to try face any multiple times [TS]

  sometimes your finger is wet and [TS]

  sometimes you just don't have it the [TS]

  right angle all that is true but there's [TS]

  one thing I never have to try to do [TS]

  twice and that's pressing the home [TS]

  button for a non face non touch ID [TS]

  purpose yes I do have to futz with face [TS]

  touch ID I do it all the time [TS]

  touch of these really fast it works [TS]

  great most of the time but everyone [TS]

  someone had to futz with it but never [TS]

  when I'm using my phone I'm I'm in an [TS]

  app and I still I still go back to the [TS]

  home screen I tend not to double tap for [TS]

  you know multitasking but even if I did [TS]

  that single tap or Delta it works every [TS]

  time I never missed the tap I can feel [TS]

  where the button is and when I press it [TS]

  works physical button fake home button [TS]

  that doesn't move either way it works [TS]

  with iPhone 10 that gesture to go home I [TS]

  don't know how frequently but a nonzero [TS]

  amount of the time I have to make a [TS]

  second or even a third attempted to [TS]

  swipe up from bottom gesture and [TS]

  remember there's no case they're [TS]

  interfering with me the Apple cases do [TS]

  not extend across the bottom and I watch [TS]

  my wife use the phone and she too every [TS]

  once in a while has to try that swipe [TS]

  again it's not particularly time [TS]

  consuming but for a very common [TS]

  operation this is one of the aspects of [TS]

  using the phone that feels like a slight [TS]

  downgrade the reliability of what used [TS]

  to be a very very reliable thing [TS]

  pressing the home button now has entered [TS]

  the realm of sort of like touch ID where [TS]

  you might have to try it again and I'm [TS]

  not sure why I'm missing am I missing [TS]

  because I'm not [TS]

  meaning my hand lower and the phone is [TS]

  larger I'm not getting good swipe on it [TS]

  and I'm missing because I'm just not [TS]

  good at edge swipes because I've had a [TS]

  case and it's a different thing the [TS]

  thing when the edge has no case and I'm [TS]

  missing the target area am I starting [TS]

  too high am i starting too low I don't [TS]

  know what it is but I'm having to swipe [TS]

  multiple times if you guys have this [TS]

  experience where you got to make a [TS]

  second attempt at the home gesture I [TS]

  feel like I have but it very quickly got [TS]

  a lot better over time yeah I have not [TS]

  had any unreliability for that I mean it [TS]

  took me maybe a half a day to get used [TS]

  to it yeah you should watch watch [TS]

  yourself or have someone else watch you [TS]

  to see if you're just instinctively [TS]

  doing it consuming the second you're [TS]

  already there the second swipe is pretty [TS]

  quick and I don't think I ever have to [TS]

  do it more than two or three times but I [TS]

  thought maybe it's just me so I watch my [TS]

  wife without telling her that I'm [TS]

  watching her do this I've seen her do it [TS]

  as well to live in your house [TS]

  it could it's her phone so she's mostly [TS]

  using it it could it be a learning curve [TS]

  thing I'm willing to dodge that I'm just [TS]

  saying like first week impressions first [TS]

  few day impressions that is happening to [TS]

  me a little bit I mean while we're on [TS]

  the subject of the home swipe I think [TS]

  that another kind of questionable area [TS]

  for me is the multitasking gesture I [TS]

  know you know everyone has their little [TS]

  tricks for like oh you do a little [TS]

  circle or used to press and hold or [TS]

  whatever else but no matter how you do [TS]

  it bring up multitasking takes a little [TS]

  bit more time now it's a little bit more [TS]

  error-prone and if you want to force [TS]

  quit an app now granted I know this is a [TS]

  controversial topic and you shouldn't [TS]

  need to force quit apps but sometimes [TS]

  you need to force quit apps and that is [TS]

  now significantly slower than it was [TS]

  before because now you have to unless [TS]

  I'm missing something let's now rest at [TS]

  home yeah you have to bring up the old [TS]

  switcher which itself is slow then you [TS]

  have to like press and hold on the app [TS]

  to enable like a little wiggle mode like [TS]

  they have in the home screen either they [TS]

  don't wiggle anymore and then hit the [TS]

  minus button to force quit it and that [TS]

  is significantly more gestures and more [TS]

  time than double tap the home button [TS]

  swipe up which is the previous way to [TS]

  terminate that I like that because it [TS]

  because it's punishing habitual force [TS]

  quitters it is but I but it is also like [TS]

  you know the the problem with the force [TS]

  quit controversy the reason why you know [TS]

  we can't just say [TS]

  oh you should never need to force craps [TS]

  is because sometimes you do need to [TS]

  force quit apps it's hard to look at [TS]

  something like this where it makes the [TS]

  force quit a lot harder to do and a lot [TS]

  more hidden of a thing you can do it's [TS]

  hard to look at that and say well it's [TS]

  heat that's a definite clear win because [TS]

  you shouldn't need to do this cuz yeah [TS]

  you shouldn't need to do it but you do [TS]

  need to do it you know it's like and and [TS]

  maybe not for battery life reasons [TS]

  necessarily although sometimes that is [TS]

  the reason some have to do that battery [TS]

  life but you know it's it's a kind of [TS]

  thing where it would be nice if if you [TS]

  never had to do this and then you could [TS]

  make it impossible to quit an app [TS]

  because why I even have a way if you [TS]

  never have to do it but we do still have [TS]

  to do it and so to make it harder is [TS]

  annoying [TS]

  that much harder the prescient hold I'm [TS]

  the hater of Preston old as much as [TS]

  anybody I hit any action where I have to [TS]

  do something for a set amount of time [TS]

  there's no way to speed it up but for [TS]

  this action I mean I don't do it often [TS]

  enough that I would be annoyed by the [TS]

  press and hold because once you press [TS]

  and hold you're in the mode and you can [TS]

  kill multiple apps bug on kill kill kill [TS]

  kill kill so people can still do that [TS]

  there's just a slight delay when you do [TS]

  press and hold to get into the mode I'm [TS]

  more with you on multitasking which I [TS]

  find very difficult to get into mostly [TS]

  because you have to like either pull up [TS]

  slowly like there's there's a whole [TS]

  bunch of moves you can still the thing [TS]

  that the end of that I think is nice is [TS]

  if you want to switch back and forth and [TS]

  apps you could swipe side to side with [TS]

  no delay like you don't have to do any [TS]

  weird motion but if you want to bring up [TS]

  the switcher especially especially this [TS]

  kills me if you want to bring up the [TS]

  multitasking switcher from the home [TS]

  screen I would wonder if you just [TS]

  surveyed people new iPhone 10 users ask [TS]

  them it new this is hard find new iPhone [TS]

  10 users who know about the multitasking [TS]

  switcher but don't know that you whether [TS]

  or not you can bring it from the home [TS]

  screen and ask them hey can you bring up [TS]

  the multitasking switch are from the [TS]

  home screen I bet people think you can't [TS]

  do it because that gesture for some [TS]

  weird reason is so much harder for me to [TS]

  do than it is from within an application [TS]

  do you guys find that no you don't have [TS]

  a go do it now take out your phone right [TS]

  now I've been doing it during this [TS]

  entire conversation and I have about a [TS]

  maybe two-thirds success rate you're [TS]

  talking about this the come up and stop [TS]

  or the environment from from the homes [TS]

  from springboard go to springboard and [TS]

  bring up the multitasking switcher [TS]

  mm-hmm I find that very [TS]

  bring up the message which from apps is [TS]

  just slow but I don't fail at it from [TS]

  the home screen I fail at it it's the [TS]

  same exact juice I know it shouldn't be [TS]

  but what's the different I don't know [TS]

  what's different all I know is I am NOT [TS]

  as is it because they hide the home [TS]

  indicator and I somehow need that line [TS]

  on the bottom of the screen I don't know [TS]

  what the problem interesting ok I can [TS]

  understand that maybe I miss aiming like [TS]

  I'm swiping up is not my friend the [TS]

  bottom is not my forte let me tell you [TS]

  this could just be a learning curve but [TS]

  but initially like the first 10 seconds [TS]

  I'm using the phone I thought oh you [TS]

  can't bring up the Maltese for sure [TS]

  that's what I thought and then [TS]

  eventually I figured I had to do it but [TS]

  you despite that after figuring out how [TS]

  to do it like I would I would go to the [TS]

  home screen like alright we're gonna do [TS]

  it we're gonna do it this time and [TS]

  nothing I'm swiping up uselessly [TS]

  try again and do I have to go faster [TS]

  slower am I starting in the wrong spot [TS]

  and then eventually it comes up but I'll [TS]

  point out this is another area double [TS]

  tapping the home button works every time [TS]

  the first time I can find the button I [TS]

  double tap it not if you have a triple [TS]

  tap shortcut for an accessibility [TS]

  feature enabled for app development I'm [TS]

  sure that you have to test all this [TS]

  stuff but I don't have this oh my life [TS]

  changed when I could just have Siri turn [TS]

  on a voiceover then I can finally turn [TS]

  off the triple click because there were [TS]

  so many times when I would try to open [TS]

  up the app switcher accidentally triple [TS]

  click instead of double clicking because [TS]

  the button was a little bit mushy or [TS]

  something and then somewhere out in the [TS]

  world where I'm in public my phone says [TS]

  voiceover on I will say that I spoke to [TS]

  Erin very briefly before I recorded and [TS]

  asked her what she thought of her phone [TS]

  and one of the things that she really [TS]

  did not like was the change in [TS]

  multitasking she because she felt like [TS]

  it was considerably more fiddly and and [TS]

  there are like Marco was saying there [TS]

  are occasions when she will want or need [TS]

  to force quit an app and it was really [TS]

  annoying to her that that the new [TS]

  mechanism is so slow [TS]

  what are these occasions and why are you [TS]

  both encouraged you know what it's gonna [TS]

  be really bad it's gonna be next next [TS]

  fall when we're trying to order our [TS]

  replacements to this phone using the [TS]

  Apple Store app on the phone and trying [TS]

  to force quit it over and over again to [TS]

  get it at the morning [TS]

  just gonna be existing think about that [TS]

  we're all gonna fail [TS]

  okay see when are you encouraging Aaron [TS]

  why don't she force quitting apps why [TS]

  what are you doing this for I don't know [TS]

  why you're so deeply offended by this [TS]

  like she is not a habitual force quitter [TS]

  but there are times when apps do things [TS]

  that are not right well yes she does use [TS]

  Facebook but I don't have to frickin [TS]

  justify her actions to you you're not [TS]

  the boss of her I know but I'm just [TS]

  saying like shouldn't you be like saying [TS]

  if you think if force quitting is such [TS]

  an important part of your iPhone [TS]

  workflow what's going on there are you [TS]

  using an application that always [TS]

  misbehaves that you have to use anyway [TS]

  like what's the because I don't think it [TS]

  should be a regular part of people it [TS]

  should only be like when an app is [TS]

  broken or misbehaving and you know what [TS]

  a lot of apps are broken and misbehave [TS]

  all the time like Facebook yeah but if [TS]

  they're broken or misbehaving frequently [TS]

  you stop using that app like broken [TS]

  means like I'll come back to the app and [TS]

  stop using Facebook good luck with that [TS]

  I'm asking if it's Facebook you can say [TS]

  oh it's because she uses Facebook and [TS]

  I'd say okay well that's why it's [TS]

  important but if you forget you know [TS]

  what it is I don't pay attention to how [TS]

  often I force quit apps but I feel like [TS]

  maybe once a day I'll force quit an app [TS]

  and and I would say the only reason I do [TS]

  it is because I feel like that app is [TS]

  misbehaving now which add huh that's [TS]

  where you start getting into the booty [TS]

  you feel like like I feel like this app [TS]

  is bad I want to make it stop being bad [TS]

  and then using you force quit it and [TS]

  you're like I've stopped it from being [TS]

  bad now I feel better [TS]

  you're misconstruing me not being able [TS]

  to cite a specific example with me just [TS]

  doing it because magic it's not that I'm [TS]

  doing it because magic it's not magic [TS]

  but you don't have enough [TS]

  instrumentation in iOS to really really [TS]

  know whether what you're doing is [TS]

  helping or not it makes you feel better [TS]

  but are you doing like scientific tests [TS]

  to you know a be test for scoring not [TS]

  force according with no you're not [TS]

  you're just saying I got the feeling [TS]

  that this thing is doing a thing that I [TS]

  don't want I want to stop it no no [TS]

  that's okay so let me give you an [TS]

  example that does not happen often but I [TS]

  know you're not going to let this go [TS]

  until the king is satisfied [TS]

  so as an example on occasion Tweetbot [TS]

  will be and I know who Twitter if ik [TS]

  blah blah [TS]

  we thought would be the Tweety pot we'll [TS]

  be confused as to whether or not it can [TS]

  be in streaming mode and when I'm on [TS]

  Wi-Fi I prefer to use the bottom stream [TS]

  like you but you're not letting this go [TS]

  until I cite a specific example that is [TS]

  a specific example yeah all right all [TS]

  right I mean we're saying is that you [TS]

  have a higher tolerance for using bug [TS]

  applications than you deal with that by [TS]

  saying well I know sometimes I know [TS]

  sometimes it gets confused when I change [TS]

  from cellular Wi-Fi about whether it can [TS]

  use screening but my fix is I just force [TS]

  quit it and that becomes part of your [TS]

  workflow essentially you know that's the [TS]

  thing that happens with the app but you [TS]

  still want to use the app so you force [TS]

  quit it and I guess I just don't have [TS]

  apps in my that I use that do that maybe [TS]

  and you're all again you're over blowing [TS]

  the amount of times that I do this maybe [TS]

  yeah maybe once a day across all the [TS]

  different apps that I use during the day [TS]

  I'm trying to think back to the last [TS]

  time I force quit anything on my phone I [TS]

  guess it was probably the night we [TS]

  ordered the the thing because you know [TS]

  you had it to make the Apple Store app [TS]

  refresh your stuff I think that's the [TS]

  last time I did it and had I not ordered [TS]

  an iPhone at 3 a.m. I would have like [TS]

  what's the time before that that I had [TS]

  forced quit I would be hard-pressed to [TS]

  say hey Marco can you defend me on this [TS]

  one or you leave me I'll try he's forced [TS]

  quitting his own apps cuz he's writing [TS]

  them and they have bugs no idea before [TS]

  script my own app I if you hit stop and [TS]

  Xcode of course quits it no I I will [TS]

  usually force quit maybe one app every 1 [TS]

  to 2 days for some reason and and [TS]

  they're usually I think decent reasons [TS]

  it and I don't think that's I don't [TS]

  think that's an unhealthy frequency or [TS]

  unusual one I I was I would be I would [TS]

  not have guessed those numbers he's like [TS]

  I said I just maybe use more apps than I [TS]

  do or try and more new apps or more of [TS]

  the apps use every day because if you [TS]

  use an app every day that has like an [TS]

  annoying thing like that like for [TS]

  example the last time I force quit an [TS]

  app on my wife's phone it was we were [TS]

  setting up her iPhone 10 and for [TS]

  whatever reason Twitter if occur you go [TS]

  KZ Twitter if ik was having some problem [TS]

  where it was we could switch to one of [TS]

  her Twitter accounts but not to another [TS]

  one don't even ask [TS]

  and like it would just go on the screen [TS]

  or be I would say like contacting [TS]

  Twitter services out of that and [TS]

  deleted the cash in Twitter if occur [TS]

  which is a nice diagnostic tool a [TS]

  Twitter who gives you and that and that [TS]

  did not help in this case and so I had [TS]

  to force quit it because it was just [TS]

  kind of like stuck on that screen and I [TS]

  think that was like you should be less [TS]

  buggy apps [TS]

  yeah well that's like you ported [TS]

  yourself from into a new phone and we're [TS]

  trying you know like it was like [TS]

  restored from iCloud backup and [TS]

  sometimes there are some problems like [TS]

  getting back up and running on that but [TS]

  that's it like after that it's fine so [TS]

  that's the last time I did it for a [TS]

  buggy app reason but that wasn't on my [TS]

  phone and that was like a first setup [TS]

  where you're you know trying to make [TS]

  sure you signed into all the accounts [TS]

  and re adding everything the Apple [TS]

  wallet and it's in the middle of God [TS]

  knows whatever photo analyzing stuff [TS]

  that's doing like the initial setup is [TS]

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  [Music] [TS]

  in any case so at one of the things that [TS]

  Aaron said was that she's frustrated [TS]

  with the multitasking she didn't give a [TS]

  crap about the notch either in a good [TS]

  way you know she doesn't really notice [TS]

  it [TS]

  she was very in and this is gonna I [TS]

  guess segue a segue us into into face ID [TS]

  she was very grumbly about the angle of [TS]

  attack necessary for face ID to work so [TS]

  by that I mean I think a lot of times [TS]

  she'll be like sitting on a couch or [TS]

  something like that and maybe reclined [TS]

  or it just in a position where the phone [TS]

  she wants to unlock her phone but the [TS]

  phone isn't necessarily looking at her [TS]

  and she was really annoyed that she has [TS]

  to have some amount of consideration of [TS]

  what the phone needs in order to unlock [TS]

  her phone and she found that really [TS]

  frustrating and you know what I I think [TS]

  she's right now it doesn't bother me as [TS]

  much I don't think because I think more [TS]

  often than not the phone is staring I'm [TS]

  staring longingly into my phone's [TS]

  infrared eyeballs as I'm trying to [TS]

  unlock it but but but I guess for [TS]

  whatever reason I mean because Mom [TS]

  because Aaron because any number of [TS]

  reasons she she felt like she was [TS]

  frequently getting tripped up by face ID [TS]

  not unlocking because the phone was [TS]

  entangled exactly right and where it [TS]

  seemed to bother her quite a bit it [TS]

  bothers me only a teeny bit and the [TS]

  other thing she said was and not [TS]

  specifically around face ID but mostly [TS]

  around face ID like this did bleed into [TS]

  other places like multitasking as an [TS]

  example but she just said that every is [TS]

  she said everything just seems slower [TS]

  you know so as an example double tapping [TS]

  a home button is much quicker than the [TS]

  swipe up and stop the the most recent [TS]

  touch ID is instant and face ID is not [TS]

  instant and I was talking to somebody [TS]

  just earlier tonight actually and I was [TS]

  saying to them you know if I if I take [TS]

  off my developer hat I am actually [TS]

  lightly annoyed about how slow - how [TS]

  slow face ID is because it is noticeably [TS]

  slow [TS]

  is it egregiously slow no it is not but [TS]

  it is noticeably slower than the most [TS]

  recent touch ID now when I put my [TS]

  developer hat back on [TS]

  it is a friggin miracle that this thing [TS]

  shipped in this quantity in the year [TS]

  2017 like how is this even possible how [TS]

  is it this quick how is it possible to [TS]

  do all that computation that quick but [TS]

  when I take my developer hat off how is [TS]

  this how is it this slow why would they [TS]

  have shipped it it's too slow [TS]

  does that make any sense at all yeah I [TS]

  think so I mean you know to me I mean [TS]

  first of all so to get back to what [TS]

  Aaron was saying like the angles of it I [TS]

  definitely hit that being like this is [TS]

  now a thing I have to adjust with like [TS]

  and consider yeah I just didn't consider [TS]

  a couple of people in the chat were [TS]

  suggesting that maybe tried turning off [TS]

  the attention detection to make you like [TS]

  a lot happier I think I'm gonna try that [TS]

  because I honestly don't need incredibly [TS]

  high security what like I don't think [TS]

  there's a there has never been a [TS]

  situation where somebody has forcibly [TS]

  unlocked my phone by showing it to my [TS]

  face or putting my thumb on it or [TS]

  anything like that so I don't think I [TS]

  really need that level of security so [TS]

  I'm gonna try that but but it definitely [TS]

  is like it takes some some habit [TS]

  changing and you know what touch ID [TS]

  maybe it did like that was so long ago [TS]

  now I don't really remember like did I [TS]

  have to you know suddenly press my [TS]

  finger in a different way the answer is [TS]

  probably that I probably had to adjust [TS]

  to that too and and part of what makes [TS]

  you know you were saying like some of [TS]

  this is just you know it's slower I'm [TS]

  multitasking like that's slower some [TS]

  things are slower touch ID speed does it [TS]

  mean sorry face IDs speed does seem to [TS]

  be certainly between touch ID first and [TS]

  second generation but a lot closer to [TS]

  the first generation and the second I [TS]

  would agree it's it's almost as slow as [TS]

  first generation touch ID which was [TS]

  still totally usable like it just we are [TS]

  spoiled by how fast second generation [TS]

  touch ID was you know so it is some it [TS]

  is a step back in that regard overall [TS]

  speed to unlock the phone you know in [TS]

  terms of taking it out of your pocket [TS]

  unlocking it and go into the home screen [TS]

  I don't think it's that different I [TS]

  think it might be a little slower but I [TS]

  don't think it's a big difference you [TS]

  know just because that swipe is is [TS]

  fast and integrated in like one [TS]

  continuous motion with face ID being [TS]

  recognized like I think that's mostly [TS]

  fine for accuracy I think it's pretty [TS]

  good [TS]

  it seems again similar to touch ID [TS]

  between first and second generations and [TS]

  maybe close to the first but I have [TS]

  found that in you know I've had this [TS]

  phone now for a little less than a week [TS]

  and I have mostly adjusted myself to [TS]

  optimize face ID recognition you know [TS]

  both accuracy and speed like it did take [TS]

  some adjustment I do have to then you [TS]

  know have it faced me at a certain angle [TS]

  and everything get within a certain [TS]

  angle you know it's like every other IO [TS]

  iOS developer who has phones tethered to [TS]

  a lightning cable sitting on their desk [TS]

  most of the day running apps on it it is [TS]

  really annoying that it doesn't work [TS]

  while lying face-up on a desk because [TS]

  the angle is just too steep to see you [TS]

  when you're sitting at the desk and it's [TS]

  like well you're you are right but I [TS]

  will say in the defense of this thing I [TS]

  was just venting that I've been [TS]

  pleasantly surprised by how aggressive [TS]

  the angle can be when it is sitting on a [TS]

  desk you are right that it does not work [TS]

  you know nearest reliably is like touch [TS]

  ID but I was surprised that at a [TS]

  reasonably extreme angle it would still [TS]

  unlock itself when it's on the desk so [TS]

  I'm not like directly over the phone I'm [TS]

  you know offset by like 30 40 50 degrees [TS]

  and it still was able to work which [TS]

  doesn't mean nothing of what I said [TS]

  makes you wrong all I'm saying is that [TS]

  even though it doesn't work as much as [TS]

  I'd like it worked better than I would [TS]

  have expected so I haven't been [TS]

  unlocking this phone with face it [TS]

  obviously because you only put one face [TS]

  in it in the faces my wife's on but what [TS]

  I have been doing is a watching her use [TS]

  her phone and be paying more attention I [TS]

  was doing this even before iPhone paying [TS]

  more attention to the way that I have [TS]

  changed how I use iOS devices in [TS]

  response to touch ID because we've all [TS]

  made changes to work with touch ID even [TS]

  if those changes are the sort of [TS]

  instinctive thing I do when I'm locking [TS]

  my phone that if it doesn't immediately [TS]

  unlock lift my finger and try again [TS]

  right or grabbing my phone in a way that [TS]

  my finger is on what would previously be [TS]

  a point was place to put my finger like [TS]

  before there was a [TS]

  sensor why would I be picking up my [TS]

  phone and having any fingers on the home [TS]

  button right unless that's how I'm gonna [TS]

  wake the phone up or something right so [TS]

  the but I have made adjustments in my [TS]

  life to become a touch ID to make it so [TS]

  you know to give me the final experience [TS]

  so that when I take out of my pocket I [TS]

  can start using it as soon as possible [TS]

  and a lot of those are like you're [TS]

  gripping the phone or in a weird way and [TS]

  then you touch this thing and then you [TS]

  immediately bring your thumb up to touch [TS]

  other stuff because you expect the thing [TS]

  to be unlocked the thing about face ID [TS]

  before we get into all the technical [TS]

  jumble of stuff is you have to address [TS]

  yourself in the same way but with touch [TS]

  ID what you were adjusting is where and [TS]

  when your fingers touch different parts [TS]

  of the phone with face ID you are [TS]

  potentially adjusting your entire body [TS]

  posture to a company to accommodate face [TS]

  ID like so when it's on your desk yeah [TS]

  it can work at pretty steep angles but [TS]

  for people who are accustomed to leaving [TS]

  their phone face up on a flat surface [TS]

  and waking and unlocking it with touch [TS]

  ID being glancing on something and [TS]

  putting it back to sleep that's not [TS]

  gonna work if you if the phone is like [TS]

  off to your right like it's by your [TS]

  right hand or whatever and you can just [TS]

  glance at it you have to kind of not Lee [TS]

  over your phone but you kind of got to [TS]

  get in the zone of the phone sensing and [TS]

  you can't put your finger in the zone or [TS]

  your hand in the zone you've got to put [TS]

  your head in the zone your head is [TS]

  connected to your neck which is [TS]

  connected to your body which means your [TS]

  entire body [TS]

  that's leaned over to be like hi phone [TS]

  even if attention is off it needs to see [TS]

  the shape of your face from some angle [TS]

  and is impressively wide but you do need [TS]

  to get not getting the phone space but [TS]

  you kind of got a hover with the phone a [TS]

  little bit here I am phone and what I'm [TS]

  finding from watching my wife work with [TS]

  the phone and for most other people's [TS]

  stories is that a surprising number of [TS]

  people use their phones in a way that [TS]

  does not involve their face being over [TS]

  the screen of their phone casually on [TS]

  the arm of the sofa unlocking it even [TS]

  just waking it from sleeping glancing at [TS]

  but you can still do is you don't need [TS]

  to unlock it to do that while you're [TS]

  looking your notifications or whatever [TS]

  or really far down where you pull it out [TS]

  of your pocket like but your hands are [TS]

  still down by like your thighs and you [TS]

  just turn the phone up and look at [TS]

  whenever and it can't get your face from [TS]

  that angle or it's being blocked by your [TS]

  leg [TS]

  these are habits that will have to [TS]

  change for people to to use face ID [TS]

  because it's got to see your face right [TS]

  and maybe the second gen will be better [TS]

  about seeing your face and more [TS]

  distances and more angles but that is a [TS]

  change in habits which we expected but [TS]

  it's a change in habit that involves [TS]

  more of your body than the change in a [TS]

  house for touch of yeah I don't want to [TS]

  minimize the changes retouching because [TS]

  as I've been noticing them there's a lot [TS]

  of them and I find my characterization [TS]

  of how fast it is again just watching my [TS]

  wife do it because I can't be doing it [TS]

  myself well I did use the demos in the [TS]

  store which isn't we're just neat you [TS]

  can have a little thing that just you [TS]

  know you if you learned that your face [TS]

  then you just unlock this pointless [TS]

  screen that just says we recognized you [TS]

  I'm pretty surprised at how fast it is [TS]

  like a little bit of what Casey said [TS]

  being a computer nerd like you know what [TS]

  it must take to do this and it is all [TS]

  inspiring that they are able to award [TS]

  innate hardware and software and do this [TS]

  thing it's it's really fast like when I [TS]

  see my wife use her phone [TS]

  it really does look like with all the [TS]

  defining stories say which is like it's [TS]

  like that phone has no lock on it [TS]

  because when I see her phone you her use [TS]

  her phone and when everything works the [TS]

  way it's supposed to I never see her [TS]

  unlock her phone I see her pick up her [TS]

  phone swipe and start using it that's [TS]

  what I see her do I never I never see I [TS]

  don't even notice the little lock [TS]

  animation thing you it just seems like [TS]

  she picks up her phone in August you [TS]

  don't have a lock on that phone right [TS]

  that's how it's supposed to work but in [TS]

  all those other scenarios where your [TS]

  face can't be over your phone it's not [TS]

  like it works too slow or recognition [TS]

  fails it's like okay sorry can't I don't [TS]

  see a face anywhere around here so and [TS]

  then your fallback unfortunately is not [TS]

  touch ID which I said that unfortunately [TS]

  got me thinking about this too a phone [TS]

  with both touch ID and face Eddie would [TS]

  be bad for reasons that don't really [TS]

  have time to get into right now but when [TS]

  it's in all the positions that we've [TS]

  trained ourselves to be able to you know [TS]

  unlock and use with touch ID you've [TS]

  either got a loom over your phone a [TS]

  little bit more or change your habits to [TS]

  bring your phone a little bit more [TS]

  closer or don't leave it flat on the [TS]

  table or whatever and I think this [TS]

  trade-off will be worth it but for now [TS]

  it seems I don't know I don't know [TS]

  I wish I could have had my wife come on [TS]

  the show and see what she really thinks [TS]

  but she's only use it for a short period [TS]

  of time but her only really strict [TS]

  complaints and these are things that [TS]

  give you fix and software is it doesn't [TS]

  work when she's laying down in bed [TS]

  because I think it just doesn't work [TS]

  sideways is that been your experience [TS]

  yeah yeah it it doesn't work in port in [TS]

  landscape but when I am laying down and [TS]

  the phone is figuratively stand down it [TS]

  doesn't work in that drives me bananas [TS]

  cuz I use my phone like that a lot [TS]

  yeah not and she's doing it laying on [TS]

  her side to be clear so that in bed and [TS]

  pulls the phone off for a nightstand and [TS]

  there's no reason it can't work like [TS]

  that it should work fine like distances [TS]

  are all fine good view of the face blah [TS]

  blah blah unless your face is squished [TS]

  into the pillow make me I guess and [TS]

  doesn't have a good angle a side of it [TS]

  feels like it should work like that so [TS]

  that's one annoyance and she did have [TS]

  some complaints about using you in the [TS]

  dark but I I think that's mostly about [TS]

  angle and distance because the phone [TS]

  doesn't care about the dark because face [TS]

  IDs done entirely and IR and IR doesn't [TS]

  care about the dark that's my is that [TS]

  right am I getting that right yeah yeah [TS]

  and although IR I'd also like to build [TS]

  on that and say so when I'm in bed I I [TS]

  don't have my contact lenses in because [TS]

  I wear hard contacts because my eyes are [TS]

  really weird [TS]

  and what I'll notice is in order to see [TS]

  well I'll have the phone extremely close [TS]

  to my face like uncomfortably for any [TS]

  normal person close to my face and and [TS]

  it's way too close for face ID and [TS]

  that's kind of annoying to like not [TS]

  annoying enough that that it it didn't [TS]

  occur to me until you said something [TS]

  about it but that's also a little [TS]

  frustrating but I feel like I'm pooping [TS]

  all over face ID [TS]

  it is a mainly truly even as a consumer [TS]

  it is amazing what's happening and then [TS]

  once you layer on top of that like John [TS]

  and I were both saying you know how much [TS]

  computational how many computational [TS]

  things just how much effort must this [TS]

  take to work how can it possibly be [TS]

  working this quickly and battery power [TS]

  like you know it's like spraying your [TS]

  face with this ion the IR flood [TS]

  illuminator and the dot thing and then [TS]

  you're using that the [TS]

  the IR camera to pick up the dots and [TS]

  then you're processing them it's like [TS]

  it's like the being paralyzed by that [TS]

  first voice-activated phone tree you're [TS]

  like what but how how can this even work [TS]

  and but I said when it works when I [TS]

  watch my wife use her phone and it works [TS]

  it's like her phone does not have a lock [TS]

  on it [TS]

  and from her maybe I'm consciously [TS]

  making sure that it's got a view of my [TS]

  face I'm hoping that will become like [TS]

  Marco said more or less second nature [TS]

  and we will all adjusted our body [TS]

  posture to always make sure the camera [TS]

  can see us and it's pretty forgiving [TS]

  like if you get the impression of like [TS]

  oh I have to be in just the right [TS]

  position you don't like you just happen [TS]

  to be remotely in the ballpark and it [TS]

  gets the job done that's what's so [TS]

  amazing about it you feel like it [TS]

  couldn't possibly even read my face [TS]

  because I wasn't even I wasn't even [TS]

  paying attention to like exactly what [TS]

  viewer gets of my face like I'm just [TS]

  kind of used in my phone normally like [TS]

  if you're if you're in the ballpark of [TS]

  holding your phone and looking at it in [TS]

  any way this is with attention on I [TS]

  haven't tried to turn attention off it [TS]

  is pretty magical and in fact I think [TS]

  the I have she's told me face ID has [TS]

  failed for her several times mostly what [TS]

  I've seen happen is I've seen her miss [TS]

  the home swipe many more times than I've [TS]

  seen her fail face ID I don't know if [TS]

  that means is one is more likely than [TS]

  the other or maybe you just go home more [TS]

  often like you unlock it once but you go [TS]

  home seven times during that session or [TS]

  whatever but I will I don't think you [TS]

  just survey her this is bad because I [TS]

  mean this is all secondhand account [TS]

  because again I have never trained this [TS]

  thing on my face and she'll probably [TS]

  never let me do that so I'll just have [TS]

  to live vicariously but you two will be [TS]

  the real guinea pigs to see two weeks [TS]

  from now have you completely adjusted [TS]

  your entire body posture around face ID [TS]

  or and here's the real thing what [TS]

  happens when face ID doesn't work like [TS]

  you're laying down in bed or Casey's got [TS]

  his phone really close to his face I do [TS]

  that too because my vision is bad not as [TS]

  bad as Casey's but it's still pretty bad [TS]

  the fallback is like okay I couldn't get [TS]

  faced I need to work and it's not just [TS]

  because like it was at the wrong angle [TS]

  like I'm not gonna sit up on my bed to [TS]

  get face lady to look the fallback is [TS]

  you have to type in your passcode right [TS]

  so the real test is preface ID I typed [TS]

  through my passcode this number of times [TS]

  for a day post space ID two weeks later [TS]

  a month later how many times per day do [TS]

  I type in my passcode I'm gonna say that [TS]

  pre you know like I'm [TS]

  still preface ad with my touch ID iPhone [TS]

  7 the only time I type in my passcode is [TS]

  when it insists that I do so because [TS]

  like it's either than 48 hours since I [TS]

  unlocked it or it's like an OS update or [TS]

  something I don't think there is any [TS]

  time even with wet hands with wet hands [TS]

  I will do the thing where you remove [TS]

  your thumb put it down remove your thumb [TS]

  and put it down try it out I will I will [TS]

  do a surprising number of attempts of [TS]

  like wiping my finger or whatever that [TS]

  would do anything to avoid typing it [TS]

  very long passcode right and so I [TS]

  basically never type in my passcode [TS]

  but when face ID fails if it fails her [TS]

  reason that you know like is not there's [TS]

  no help like you don't want to sit up in [TS]

  bed the next thing you do is probably a [TS]

  resign yourselves type in your passcode [TS]

  which means no more giant alphanumeric [TS]

  pass codes because you'll drive yourself [TS]

  insane because who wants to like when [TS]

  you're laying down sideways in bed and [TS]

  you're all groggy you do not want to [TS]

  type out a 17 digit alphanumeric [TS]

  punctuation capital and lowercase [TS]

  passcode that super security you feel [TS]

  awesome nobody wants to do that [TS]

  downgrade to a shorter numeric passcode [TS]

  or you will really start to hate face ID [TS]

  because there is no other option it's [TS]

  not like well face ID failed I guess you [TS]

  can use touch of it you can't like it's [TS]

  face ID or it's typing oh I actually [TS]

  have a tangential question about this so [TS]

  what is the best protocol for when [TS]

  somebody has grabbed my phone and looked [TS]

  at it which is not unreasonable maybe I [TS]

  asked them to look at it or something [TS]

  like that but face ID has recognized [TS]

  them and the phone is still on and then [TS]

  they hand the phone to me and then I [TS]

  enter my password is it that the the [TS]

  other person's face is different enough [TS]

  that it's not gonna train on their face [TS]

  do you know what I mean because my [TS]

  understanding is I had an item in their [TS]

  notes about that because there was that [TS]

  uh the video or whatever where two [TS]

  siblings who they're not twins but two [TS]

  siblings who look very alike said hey [TS]

  look at this my brother whoever was can [TS]

  unlock my phone with his face but we're [TS]

  not the same person right and what was [TS]

  happening in that scenario is it's one [TS]

  brother's phone and he's got trained on [TS]

  his face [TS]

  it works fine and the other brother [TS]

  tries to unlock it and it doesn't work [TS]

  because he's got a different face but [TS]

  then he types in his brother's passcode [TS]

  which he knows and enters the phone and [TS]

  that happens a few time and so the [TS]

  theory goes what he's doing is [TS]

  essentially trained like Casey was [TS]

  saying he is training the phone like Oh [TS]

  silly phone you said you couldn't [TS]

  recognize this face but because I [TS]

  immediately enter the passcode what I'm [TS]

  telling you phone is no no it's me it's [TS]

  me the owner of the phone so that face [TS]

  that you just tried to recognize that [TS]

  you said was not the right face it [TS]

  obviously was the right face because I [TS]

  just unlocked the phone I'm assuming [TS]

  just like Casey said that this training [TS]

  only happens if the face is close to the [TS]

  face that it knows but not quite so that [TS]

  it if an entirely different person whose [TS]

  face is nothing like yours tries to use [TS]

  face ID fails but then enters your code [TS]

  which I've done a little eyeful at many [TS]

  times because it always fails because my [TS]

  face has never succeeded in unlocking [TS]

  your phone but I have unlocked your [TS]

  phone many many times over the course of [TS]

  setting it up and playing with it and [TS]

  you know practicing my home gestures and [TS]

  all the other things that I do with [TS]

  their phone right I am pretty sure that [TS]

  I am not messing up her training because [TS]

  my face is too different from her things [TS]

  and that the phone is not going to [TS]

  accept the fact that I unlocked after [TS]

  face ID failed as additional training [TS]

  data I don't know that for a fact but [TS]

  that seems like the logical thing to do [TS]

  an apple is a smart company so I think [TS]

  both things are smart thing is both to [TS]

  ignore my face cuz is different and also [TS]

  it's smart to train on that brothers [TS]

  face which so if you have a sibling who [TS]

  looks a lot like you do not let them [TS]

  repeatedly pick up your phone and fail [TS]

  face ID and then to the coat because it [TS]

  may eventually learn that this alternate [TS]

  face that's kind of like yours is also [TS]

  yours [TS]

  and it just looks different from time to [TS]

  time so don't do that so L bruise from [TS]

  the chat has pulled this quote which i [TS]

  think is from the face ID security guide [TS]

  which we'll put in the show notes [TS]

  if face ID fails to recognize you but [TS]

  the match quality is higher than a [TS]

  certain threshold and you immediately [TS]

  follow the failure by entering your [TS]

  passcode face ID makes and takes another [TS]

  capture so interesting so that's only [TS]

  once the pass codes been entered so at [TS]

  this point it would be of me anyway yeah [TS]

  yeah you have to successfully enter the [TS]

  pass code like if someone knows your [TS]

  passcode like the sibling knew the [TS]

  passcode yeah and so this is saying it [TS]

  has to pass a threshold so that's [TS]

  I am not training my own to recognize me [TS]

  right but you know I'm on a different [TS]

  point I had assumed that it took the so [TS]

  so the our order of operations is [TS]

  picture it takes a picture of Erin [TS]

  because she's the one that's trying to [TS]

  open the phone says you're not Casey the [TS]

  phone's handed to me and I enter the [TS]

  code what what I'm reading here is that [TS]

  it actually takes a second picture I had [TS]

  assumed it was still working off that [TS]

  original picture of Aaron but this says [TS]

  a face ID fails to recognize you but the [TS]

  match equalities heart of them certain [TS]

  threshold you immediately follow the [TS]

  failure by entering a passcode face ID [TS]

  takes another capture and augments it's [TS]

  enrolled face ID data with a newly [TS]

  calculated mathematical representation [TS]

  yeah because you because it's facing [TS]

  your face for the new capture but if she [TS]

  knew your code and she entered your code [TS]

  it's still not gonna pass the threshold [TS]

  it's not gonna pass the threshold so the [TS]

  match you know it's higher than a [TS]

  certain throat hers is not within the [TS]

  thresholds of learning of your face I'm [TS]

  assuming because yeah different yeah I [TS]

  hear you one one of the other things [TS]

  that's been really great about face ID [TS]

  is it has been surprisingly willing [TS]

  almost uncomfortably willing to unlock [TS]

  when my face is occluded or or otherwise [TS]

  messed with and by that I mean I often [TS]

  have a finger like on my chin or I maybe [TS]

  have a finger in my mouth cuz I'm biting [TS]

  my nails are doing something I shouldn't [TS]

  be doing or well I went to a football [TS]

  game the day after we got the phones and [TS]

  I had like a hat on and I didn't have a [TS]

  hat on I had a hat in a hood and then [TS]

  just a hood and so now granted a lot of [TS]

  this is over your face but as in above [TS]

  my face but my point is and you got your [TS]

  weekend beard do it this is a multi this [TS]

  and this might be a multi-month beard at [TS]

  this point but it's gonna go soon [TS]

  when spring is whenever we're really [TS]

  close to sprigs time of arrival I'm [TS]

  going to shave it all off cuz sprig is [TS]

  gonna beat me as I should be met which [TS]

  is without hair on my face eyes aren't [TS]

  gonna work for a while you know that is [TS]

  that this is how we played this game [TS]

  before you know how this guy is but [TS]

  anyway the point is it did a really [TS]

  really good job and continues to do a [TS]

  very good job of being willing to unlock [TS]

  when portions of my face are [TS]

  are occluded and so like maybe I'm [TS]

  resting my hand on my chin and my my [TS]

  fingers are kind of rolled up and in [TS]

  front of my mouth you know or something [TS]

  like that it's it's done a very very [TS]

  good job surprisingly good job of [TS]

  rolling with that to the point that it [TS]

  almost feels like and I bet this isn't [TS]

  true but it almost feels like the maybe [TS]

  eyes or or cheekbones are the things [TS]

  that matter most to face ID because it's [TS]

  rare that I'll have my hand in front of [TS]

  my eyes are like up on my cheekbones or [TS]

  anything like that but it is not unusual [TS]

  for me to have my fam I hands in or [TS]

  around my mouth and so I don't know if [TS]

  that's true but it just feels like eyes [TS]

  and cheekbones matter a lot more than [TS]

  mouth the the mouth area if you will so [TS]

  on the topic of Aaron saying that things [TS]

  just seem slower what I thought she [TS]

  might have been getting at before you [TS]

  went off to describe the home [TS]

  multitasking thing which I totally agree [TS]

  with is the animations and I realize I [TS]

  probably only say that because I run [TS]

  reduce motion and have for really a long [TS]

  time so my iPhone 7 doesn't do almost [TS]

  any animations everything is these silly [TS]

  crossfades right but here's the thing [TS]

  about the iPhone 10 well first of all [TS]

  using in its and it's like default out [TS]

  of the box thing the animations do not [TS]

  bother me as much as they did on the 7 [TS]

  and I guess the 6 or whatever like and [TS]

  why don't they bother me like they're [TS]

  even more egregious even more like [TS]

  swooping you like your things are flying [TS]

  in from here and going out to there I [TS]

  think they bothered me less because the [TS]

  gesture I'm performing for example to go [TS]

  back to the homescreen swiping up from [TS]

  the bottom matches with the idea of [TS]

  chucking the current app back into its [TS]

  little Heidi home inside the icon you [TS]

  don't I mean like how it flies into the [TS]

  icon yeah right and so I'm doing [TS]

  something that matches the gesture [TS]

  versus I press the button and everything [TS]

  went shrinky zoomy right they feel [TS]

  disconnected again I've it's not my [TS]

  phone I've just played with it a lot [TS]

  like but it doesn't bother me as much [TS]

  but I'm like ok well even though it [TS]

  doesn't bother me if I got an iPhone 10 [TS]

  I'm sure I've returned under his motion [TS]

  so let me go into settings in turn I'm [TS]

  reduced No [TS]

  I doubt either one of you have tried [TS]

  this but if you introduce motion on this [TS]

  loan very strange things happen and [TS]

  there's not really good solution to make [TS]

  them not strange you turn on reduce [TS]

  motion what happens is this you're in an [TS]

  app you do the home gesture to get back [TS]

  to home and it starts to make as you [TS]

  swipe up it starts to make the app that [TS]

  you're in kind of fly upwards and start [TS]

  heading back into its little icon home [TS]

  right [TS]

  but then abruptly once that animation [TS]

  has started it switches to a crossfade [TS]

  and I thought oh let's do it why don't [TS]

  they just do the crossfade the whole [TS]

  time but because of the way the [TS]

  multitasking gesture like you know you [TS]

  can do it slow or whatever like I think [TS]

  it has to start the animation because if [TS]

  it didn't start the animation like if if [TS]

  it was going back to home screen you [TS]

  could say oh I'll just wait until you [TS]

  cross the threshold of oh I see you're [TS]

  under the home screen and I'll cross [TS]

  fade with doing no animation before him [TS]

  but if you're going for the multitasking [TS]

  switcher one says oh they're not going [TS]

  to the home screen this is slow enough [TS]

  for me to bring up the multi Texas which [TS]

  was then it's gonna be like oh crap I [TS]

  didn't do it I haven't been doing any [TS]

  animations this whole time and they're [TS]

  activating the multi-thousand switcher [TS]

  quick catch up and make it look like [TS]

  they're animated up to the point where [TS]

  their thumb is and that would be weird [TS]

  too so if you turn and go turn it on on [TS]

  iphone 10 turn reduce motion now and do [TS]

  the home gesture and just look at what [TS]

  it does it is a mess it is an animation [TS]

  mess it's half one animation interrupted [TS]

  by a crossfade and honestly I think if I [TS]

  had an iPhone 10 I would not turn on [TS]

  reduce motion because that just it [TS]

  doesn't feel faster like a half an [TS]

  animation but that feels worse than like [TS]

  the full animation and I don't have a [TS]

  good solution so I like Apple did [TS]

  something dumb here I don't know what [TS]

  they can do to fix this problem I think [TS]

  we just all have to use the animations [TS]

  and like it which I realized you to do [TS]

  anyway but I haven't been so I don't [TS]

  know I have an animation dilemma with [TS]

  the iPhone 10 I think maybe you know in [TS]

  the same way that before iOS 7 we [TS]

  realized that we had kind of gone too [TS]

  far with skeuomorphism I think we might [TS]

  be at that point with animations where [TS]

  like the the amount of [TS]

  unnecessary and almost like overly [TS]

  exuberant animations that we have for [TS]

  common actions in iOS 11 I think is a [TS]

  little excessive like one of the weird [TS]

  things is like when you go to the home [TS]

  screen how your wallpaper kind of like [TS]

  slams up from beneath I guess like it's [TS]

  a very it looks very weird and jarring [TS]

  and I've never seen that one because it [TS]

  may need a hundred percent black [TS]

  background actually recently switched to [TS]

  100% black background in part for that [TS]

  and in part because it just looks so [TS]

  awesome on the OLED screen I've always [TS]

  had a black back right but didn't you [TS]

  not weren't you not able to have a [TS]

  background in the early days of iPhone [TS]

  on us yeah it wasn't until I think iOS 4 [TS]

  that you could have a background at all [TS]

  and it was and before that it was [TS]

  hundreds on black right yep yep so I [TS]

  think that's why I never changed once [TS]

  you could get a background I think I [TS]

  tried some backgrounds couldn't find [TS]

  them they I like them like well [TS]

  everything's been under percent black [TS]

  for us let me try that and and that's it [TS]

  and now I've been using how to present [TS]

  black and the great thing is in iOS 11 [TS]

  you don't have to upload a black image [TS]

  like I've had to do for every person [TS]

  yeah finally they have a solid color [TS]

  section and black is available to you [TS]

  and yeah it does look great oh no way [TS]

  but but no they didn't notice that the [TS]

  slamming and so like it comes up from [TS]

  below kind of yeah it's it's almost as [TS]

  though you're falling onto your [TS]

  wallpaper it's very it's a very jarring [TS]

  animation and I really don't like it and [TS]

  and yeah tips if comes out of it - it's [TS]

  a very weird thing anyway so I hope that [TS]

  we have reached the point with [TS]

  animations now where we can start to [TS]

  pull back it's almost it's almost part [TS]

  of what I was saying last week about how [TS]

  I wish Apple would have like a maybe a [TS]

  more confident design in that like [TS]

  confident in the way they don't they [TS]

  don't need to show off that like that [TS]

  they know they're good and they don't [TS]

  need to show off how good they are to [TS]

  the world they could just be good right [TS]

  I feel like a lot of these animations [TS]

  now have gotten to the point where they [TS]

  are just showing off like this a [TS]

  designer showing off and it's it's [TS]

  getting annoying how do you do the most [TS]

  attacking gesture if without animations [TS]

  that's what I'm stuck on like if if you [TS]

  do not change the way you get into the [TS]

  multitasking switcher how do you do that [TS]

  with no animations because like you can [TS]

  do the home screen [TS]

  quick swipe up from the bottom and we [TS]

  cross straight to the home screen or we [TS]

  just bring the home screen up right but [TS]

  a slow swipe up from the bottom bring [TS]

  you into multitasking like I don't know [TS]

  maybe though it would feel kind of [TS]

  disconnected like what I get what you're [TS]

  saying about the animations going too [TS]

  far and again if someone who's [TS]

  run-throughs motion all the time I am [TS]

  NOT a fan of animation but I was [TS]

  surprised by how much I liked the [TS]

  animations in the 10 because they were [TS]

  connected to things my fingers were [TS]

  doing and like Twitter if ik and lots of [TS]

  other applications where they actually [TS]

  make the animation track your finger I [TS]

  don't know if the iOS 11 ones are doing [TS]

  that on the iPhone 10 but they feel like [TS]

  they're tracking your finger and that [TS]

  feels good that it doesn't feel like [TS]

  you're a triggering animation it feels [TS]

  like you are moving things on the screen [TS]

  which is a big kind of like sideswipe [TS]

  going from screens and like home screens [TS]

  on springboard right the reason that [TS]

  feels so good is you you don't feel like [TS]

  you are triggering the slide in [TS]

  animation you feel like you're moving [TS]

  the screen you feel like you're moving [TS]

  the icons with your finger and it's such [TS]

  a big difference and so I'm actually a [TS]

  pretty big fan of the animations maybe I [TS]

  wouldn't be if I didn't have a black [TS]

  backer and I had seen that slamming and [TS]

  I think I would still prefer reduce [TS]

  motion if implemented like it is on the [TS]

  7 and earlier phones where it's just you [TS]

  know like you really are treating [TS]

  animations and they're all crossfades [TS]

  but I think there's something to be said [TS]

  for a UI that is so fundamentally based [TS]

  on swipey crap having that's my crap [TS]

  make you feel like you're moving things [TS]

  on the screen rather than triggering an [TS]

  animation I've still prefer no [TS]

  animations at all but I honestly I'd [TS]

  with this many swipes I don't know how I [TS]

  don't know how you pull it off and don't [TS]

  make you feel like disconnected from you [TS]

  know like that you are just drawing [TS]

  magic spells and hieroglyphics on the [TS]

  screen and your magic incantations [TS]

  caused things to change but there's no [TS]

  real connection between them like it's [TS]

  magic [TS]

  yeah and I don't think it has to be that [TS]

  I don't think it has to be dramatically [TS]

  like no animations ever again like I [TS]

  just think the animations need to be [TS]

  toned down you know we've gone too far [TS]

  they need to be brought back a little [TS]

  bit you know that and and not totally [TS]

  removed like so many of these things [TS]

  like whole new tasks and everything yeah [TS]

  they should be animated like that and [TS]

  most of the things that are animated now [TS]

  should still be animated it's just a [TS]

  question of what that animation is and [TS]

  how many [TS]

  things are happening when it happens and [TS]

  how long does it take these things could [TS]

  all use some [TS]

  all use some [TS]

  tweaking I think you know so and and [TS]

  some restraint yeah the homescreen is [TS]

  probably the best example because what [TS]

  you want to happen is I want to go to [TS]

  the home screen but you don't need to [TS]

  see the home screen assemble itself like [TS]

  you know like like a deconstructed [TS]

  sandwich a fruit from the restroom [TS]

  assembling itself right like here comes [TS]

  the background and now the icons are [TS]

  falling onto it and like it's assembling [TS]

  like I know what springboard looks like [TS]

  just just show me that as if it's [TS]

  already constructed not as if every time [TS]

  I go back to the home screen is it is [TS]

  rebuilt from its component pieces like a [TS]

  weird CG transformer animation so that's [TS]

  probably too far yeah alright so let's [TS]

  get back on track and finish up our [TS]

  iPhone 10 review case you have any of [TS]

  any other I have kind of like a [TS]

  miscellaneous section here do you have [TS]

  anything else to add I will just say [TS]

  that I haven't had a lot of time using [TS]

  my phone regularly because I was [TS]

  traveling and when I'm traveling I [TS]

  always have a lot more battery range [TS]

  exotic animal II do because it's [TS]

  oftentimes less convenient for me to [TS]

  charge and oftentimes I'm out in a way [TS]

  from you know my normal day-to-day life [TS]

  when I'm traveling obviously and I'm [TS]

  using my phone more so for a lot of [TS]

  reasons I get real battery anxiety when [TS]

  I'm traveling and maybe this is maybe [TS]

  what I'm about to say is just that [TS]

  anxiety manifesting itself but I feel [TS]

  like on both r7s and on the tens battery [TS]

  life in iOS 11 a is still not great it's [TS]

  gotten better with 11:1 but it's still [TS]

  just not great and that kind of that's [TS]

  frustrating but as a quick summary of my [TS]

  thoughts I really do like this phone [TS]

  quite a bit and that screen is just so [TS]

  clearly the future it is really really [TS]

  great and I really and I overall I [TS]

  obviously have complaints nothing is so [TS]

  perfect did you know guys that it can't [TS]

  be complained about but it is a really [TS]

  great phone so with that in mind Marco [TS]

  tell me your miscellaneous section so [TS]

  first of all on the battery my theory [TS]

  with iOS 11 I think one of the big [TS]

  reasons why people are seeing such [TS]

  reduced battery life on such a wide [TS]

  scale is that iOS 11 allows photos to be [TS]

  uploaded to iCloud when you're not [TS]

  plugged in and when you're not [TS]

  five and by default I'm pretty sure to [TS]

  last cellular data usage and also not [TS]

  plugged in usage whereas before it would [TS]

  wait until the phone was charging and [TS]

  I'm Wi-Fi to do any kind of uploads so [TS]

  if you're shooting pictures which most [TS]

  people do all the time now your battery [TS]

  life should be probably significantly [TS]

  worse also encoding HEAF and a CVC [TS]

  are more processor-intensive so it seems [TS]

  like the combination of the iCloud photo [TS]

  uploads not being restricted by default [TS]

  anymore to a high power state and Wi-Fi [TS]

  and also the complexity of the new [TS]

  formats I think that explains a lot of [TS]

  the worst battery life people are seeing [TS]

  in reality with iOS 11 anyway so that's [TS]

  just that's my theory check the settings [TS]

  though for photo uploads if you want to [TS]

  conserve some more power as for the [TS]

  battery life on the 10 it's it's a [TS]

  little soon to tell for sure but it [TS]

  seems like it is overall fairly similar [TS]

  to the battery life on my iPhone 7 it [TS]

  doesn't seem like it's dramatically [TS]

  better I kind of expected going to OLED [TS]

  to bring more gain in that department [TS]

  maybe we'll see over time as as apps in [TS]

  the OS maybe get darker with their [TS]

  themes overall cuz one of the things [TS]

  though LED is when it's showing dark [TS]

  content it's using less power than when [TS]

  it's showing light content unlike LCDs [TS]

  so maybe it'll get better over time but [TS]

  I did kind of expect OLED to bring a [TS]

  bigger jump in battery life than what we [TS]

  actually got here so oh well anyway [TS]

  better life seems fine but not amazing [TS]

  sure it's still not analyzing your [TS]

  photos I don't know that it probably not [TS]

  Idina but who knows the setup experience [TS]

  I did want to do a quick note on this my [TS]

  phone immediately needed an update to [TS]

  iOS 11.1 look I thought it was fairly [TS]

  ungraceful that's that's the kind of [TS]

  thing that like you know anytime you get [TS]

  like a game console or pretty much any [TS]

  tech products from anybody else it [TS]

  doesn't usually immediately need a [TS]

  software update it kind of ruins the [TS]

  experience a little bit and just delays [TS]

  you getting things even more so that [TS]

  that kind of sucked it you don't usually [TS]

  see it from Apple so it was noteworthy [TS]

  on the other hand though the automatic [TS]

  migration from my old iPhone [TS]

  is amazing it worked perfectly in all [TS]

  respects except it didn't move my watch [TS]

  now some people say the Apple watch [TS]

  would move for them in that process some [TS]

  people it wasn't it seems like it's [TS]

  inconsistent but whether it works or not [TS]

  it is seemingly supposed to do it it [TS]

  just doesn't seem only a good portion of [TS]

  the time but with that one exception of [TS]

  the watch being moved this is the first [TS]

  time I have not done my tunes backup [TS]

  method to transfer to a new phone every [TS]

  other time I've gotten a new phone I've [TS]

  backed up Ubuntu iTunes with a local [TS]

  encrypted backup using that checkbox so [TS]

  it sees my passwords restore to the new [TS]

  phone etc this is the first time I [TS]

  didn't do that and I and the new you [TS]

  know with the combination of iCloud [TS]

  backups and with this new setup wizard' [TS]

  thing where you put the phones near each [TS]