Cortex 60: CorteX


  so great you thought stickers were bad [TS]

  hmm we are now living in the world of [TS]

  animated emoji and emojis here gray how [TS]

  do you feel about an emoji I have mixed [TS]

  feelings [TS]

  I have mixed feelings oh ok so we're not [TS]

  we're not like in a world of hating on [TS]

  it necessarily no we're not in a world [TS]

  of hating on an emojis I mean would it [TS]

  be possible to hate on an emojis [TS]

  entirely I don't know his robot face [TS]

  it's it's pretty cute I'm just noticing [TS]

  now as I'm looking at an emojis on my [TS]

  phone that the robot face the triangle [TS]

  nose you can make you can make the nose [TS]

  move back and forth it's not obvious [TS]

  that you're playing with an emoji right [TS]

  now yeah this is yeah nothing but 100% [TS]

  focus here but yeah you if you screw [TS]

  your mouth in a very exaggerated manner [TS]

  you can make the little triangle on the [TS]

  robot's nose move back and forth this is [TS]

  the future Mike iPhone X welcome to the [TS]

  future the future is animated animated [TS]

  emojis so as well as the wonder of an [TS]

  emoji which honestly is high up there as [TS]

  one of my favorite features of the [TS]

  iPhone 10 we obviously both have one and [TS]

  one of the questions that I have for you [TS]

  about the iPhone 10 is if the size of [TS]

  this phone does a better job of fitting [TS]

  within your optimum size for an iPhone [TS]

  yeah so these past many years I've been [TS]

  unhappy with iPhone sizes regular iPhone [TS]

  too small [TS]

  plus too big and I've had this now for I [TS]

  guess was it been like five days six [TS]

  days a week is effectively a week we've [TS]

  needed a cautious thumbs up I think I [TS]

  think I like it but I'm also aware that [TS]

  with the sizes of the other phones it's [TS]

  the it's the little things over longer [TS]

  periods of time that eventually become [TS]

  intolerable that that make you start [TS]

  being annoyed by phone size but so far [TS]

  I'm pretty happy and [TS]

  the one place where the phone size [TS]

  really struck me a magical moment was [TS]

  coming from being a plus user I had the [TS]

  iPhone X in my pocket I was getting [TS]

  ready in the morning to go out go to go [TS]

  to work and I sat down in a chair to put [TS]

  on my shoes to tie my shoelaces and I [TS]

  realized oh I don't have to take the [TS]

  phone out of my pocket to comfortably be [TS]

  able to reach over and tie my shoes out [TS]

  Incredible Hulk the situation and just [TS]

  like rip your jeans and off because the [TS]

  phones trying to break out yeah it's a [TS]

  thing that I had never quite realized [TS]

  that I do that I had gotten in a habit [TS]

  of taking the phone out of my pocket [TS]

  before putting on my shoes and tie my [TS]

  shoelaces or always regretting it if I [TS]

  forgot and it was like oh wow what a [TS]

  delightful experience like I can I can [TS]

  reasonably Bend with the phone in my [TS]

  pocket without it being uncomfortable so [TS]

  for that alone is like oh thank you so [TS]

  much iPhone X this is way better I [TS]

  really appreciate this in terms of size [TS]

  so pocket size I am much happier [TS]

  handling size like I said I'm giving it [TS]

  a mediocre thumbs up for now I suspect [TS]

  I'm going to be really happy with this [TS]

  but I just don't want to go all-in on [TS]

  saying like oh this size is perfectly [TS]

  fantastic when I know it can sometimes [TS]

  take a little while to really settle [TS]

  into a new phone size as a device how [TS]

  are you finding it though Mike you were [TS]

  the what would I want to say like [TS]

  proprietor founder of the Plus Club [TS]

  mm-hmm lo these many years ago how are [TS]

  you finding it going down and insights [TS]

  turning in your top hat as chief Pumbaa [TS]

  of the Plus Club and going to the excise [TS]

  how do you find it I love it actually [TS]

  yeah I honestly don't feel like there's [TS]

  a difference [TS]

  like when I'm using it like from a [TS]

  screen size perspective which is what I [TS]

  was always wanting like I just wanted [TS]

  the most information on my phone screen [TS]

  as I could possibly get and I really [TS]

  feel like the 10 delivers on that like [TS]

  I've I've done some tests of it like [TS]

  looking at like how many emails can I [TS]

  see how much how many tweets can I see [TS]

  on a screen [TS]

  how mining glowing lines of notes enter [TS]

  notes [TS]

  and by and large it's exactly the same [TS]

  amount was the plus so hmm I get the [TS]

  same kind of information density in most [TS]

  instances in a much smaller phone so in [TS]

  regards to moving away from the Plus [TS]

  Club it's working fine for me like I'm [TS]

  having no problem with it like if and [TS]

  when Apple makes a bigger version of [TS]

  these will I move again yeah well [TS]

  because I always just want the biggest [TS]

  screen I can have that's what I want [TS]

  from my iphone is just to have the [TS]

  biggest screen possible because whenever [TS]

  I'm using it for anything I always want [TS]

  more screen like it's spoon you know I [TS]

  would want to see the ideal for me is [TS]

  like the size of the iPhone plus but [TS]

  with a screen like the iPhone 10 that [TS]

  would be that would be like incredible [TS]

  what if they put a cellular chip in an [TS]

  ipad mini iPad minis too big it's still [TS]

  gonna fit in my jeans pocket and like [TS]

  okay I know that like that it can be [TS]

  tricky [TS]

  right like it could win cuz you can't [TS]

  already get cell connected iPad minis [TS]

  right but the ID the plus phone will [TS]

  still fit in my pocket right and that's [TS]

  that's what I want I still want to be [TS]

  able to put in my pocket so that's the [TS]

  upper limit we're reaching here is the [TS]

  volume of your pocket exactly because [TS]

  anything that can't fit in my pocket in [TS]

  my opinion it's not a fun alright it's [TS]

  something else at that point if you need [TS]

  if you need a bag for it to take it [TS]

  somewhere it's not a phone then it's not [TS]

  a fun or it's a very very old phone yeah [TS]

  I know that it's different for ladies [TS]

  right because ladies pockets are smaller [TS]

  and they put their phones in bags but [TS]

  for me like I don't want to take a bag [TS]

  so it has to fit in my pocket huh but [TS]

  from an overall hardware perspective [TS]

  this is my favorite iPhone of all time [TS]

  when did you begin your journey with [TS]

  iPhones what was the first one you had [TS]

  the original oh wow okay alright at this [TS]

  tire free iPhone except the 3GS I didn't [TS]

  realize that wow I'm eight now of course [TS]

  well I'm not 100% sure that that counts [TS]

  but okay alright that's interesting I've [TS]

  had a phone in every revision right [TS]

  except the 3GS I didn't get three years [TS]

  hmm cuz I think all it did was add speed [TS]

  and video recording which wasn't enough [TS]

  for me okay [TS]

  not enough of an upgrade for you not [TS]

  then because it was harder for me to [TS]

  afford the phones right [TS]

  I was much younger hmm well then since [TS]

  you started at the beginning I started [TS]

  in the four line you're the perfect [TS]

  person to ask because I'm looking at the [TS]

  phones and I feel like they're doing an [TS]

  intentional call back to the first phone [TS]

  but I I don't think I've ever even [TS]

  handled an original iPhone let alone [TS]

  ever owned one so I've only seen [TS]

  pictures of it [TS]

  I just got I'm kind of what I like do [TS]

  you do you think that if that impression [TS]

  is Right like if there's something about [TS]

  the curves particularly on what I've [TS]

  seen of the silver versions it's like it [TS]

  looks like it it just looks reminiscent [TS]

  of the original iPhone in the hardware [TS]

  design so there are a couple of elements [TS]

  of the ten that call back to two in my [TS]

  mind [TS]

  iPhones and like two classic designs so [TS]

  there is kind of the one of the original [TS]

  where even though it had an aluminium [TS]

  back it had like a polished frame that [TS]

  went around the glass so when you were [TS]

  looking at it it was shiny [TS]

  I actually off the top of my head I [TS]

  can't remember what that material was [TS]

  whoever it was a metal or a plastic or [TS]

  whatever that went around the edge of [TS]

  the screen but when you looked at it it [TS]

  was shiny like how if you have the [TS]

  silver iPhone 10 the stainless steel was [TS]

  shiny and it looks like that right so [TS]

  it's reminiscent of that and there's a [TS]

  lot more you know the edges are curvier [TS]

  these days than they have been in the [TS]

  past but then also the iPhone 4 which is [TS]

  considered by many to be the [TS]

  best-looking iPhone had glass front and [TS]

  back like this phone does so this the [TS]

  iPhone 10 reminds me of both of those [TS]

  phones like the original a little bit [TS]

  because of the shiny border that went [TS]

  around the outside and also the glass [TS]

  front and back of the iPhone 4 it [TS]

  reminds me of that - look at you Mike [TS]

  you like a real iPhone historian um you [TS]

  know I guess I have the chops but this [TS]

  one this one is just it's it really is [TS]

  wonderful [TS]

  it's the most luxurious feeling iPhone [TS]

  that I've ever used as well like [TS]

  everything about it feels extremely [TS]

  premium like I kind of get I kind of get [TS]

  what you mean but I like it my main [TS]

  interest in this phone is simply that it [TS]

  is a [TS]

  in size so I feel like thumbs up to the [TS]

  different size that's great and I just I [TS]

  feel a bit like the there's many many [TS]

  things that are different about this [TS]

  phone but I'm mostly just like yeah [TS]

  that's fine you know it's it seems [TS]

  really good I'm happy with it you know [TS]

  thumbs up but uh it feels it feels like [TS]

  it's another phone and I'm just happy [TS]

  that it's a different size but I don't [TS]

  feel like I wouldn't say that I'm in the [TS]

  same camp as you is feeling like Who I [TS]

  have a like a gorgeous luxury object I [TS]

  feel like I have a new phone and the [TS]

  screen is bigger and that's great and [TS]

  it's a different size which I'm thrilled [TS]

  about like I'm very happy to pay for the [TS]

  phone to get the different size that's [TS]

  that is my my main interest here what [TS]

  about the notch how do you feel about [TS]

  the knotch I like I swear it's almost [TS]

  like the notches in some kind of visual [TS]

  blind spot for me like I am almost [TS]

  weirded out by how little I noticed the [TS]

  knotch yes it's it's somehow in my [TS]

  vision I just don't see it like do you [TS]

  feel the same way I forget it's there [TS]

  and then every now and then I open an [TS]

  application that's like all white and I [TS]

  see it again yeah [TS]

  and I think it's a combination of like [TS]

  we've never looked that far apart phones [TS]

  before alright so and I think the other [TS]

  part of it is that like a lot of [TS]

  applications [TS]

  I mean basic you know all of the [TS]

  Optimates applications it blends in [TS]

  right they do a really good job I think [TS]

  of making kind of the top of the screens [TS]

  blend in really well so it's only I [TS]

  think when there's like a really stark [TS]

  contrast that I notice it yeah I'll use [TS]

  if we put in the show notes I think [TS]

  probably the best version of this is [TS]

  like carrot weather because they almost [TS]

  always have like these solid color [TS]

  backgrounds like that they're they're [TS]

  just going up around the edges of the [TS]

  notch and I always I think it looks [TS]

  gorgeous but I am aware that I eat like [TS]

  I have to intentionally look at the [TS]

  knotch to be aware that it's that it's [TS]

  there but that's great though right [TS]

  that's what you that's the best design [TS]

  and it's best I guess so I think you [TS]

  don't notice what is essentially a fool [TS]

  in the screen right like having a notch [TS]

  of it taken out [TS]

  and it makes sense in retrospect why [TS]

  Apple was pushing really heavily in [TS]

  their design documents for like the [TS]

  embrace the knotch [TS]

  idea with design were they're like no [TS]

  guys guys trust us that you have to just [TS]

  roll with this and and use the color in [TS]

  the top of the screen because the place [TS]

  I it's so strange but the place I [TS]

  noticed the knotch the most is actually [TS]

  on applications that hide it so yes for [TS]

  for example one that I think is always [TS]

  going to work this way which I'll just [TS]

  use so I can use it as an example is the [TS]

  YouTube app so if you start playing a [TS]

  video in the YouTube app and you're [TS]

  holding the phone in portrait mode the [TS]

  video has always played at the very top [TS]

  of the screen now of course because the [TS]

  notch is there they can't actually put [TS]

  the video at the very top of the screen [TS]

  they put it just below the notch but [TS]

  then there's nothing to flow up to the [TS]

  top of the screen so the YouTube app [TS]

  just blacks out the top bar and then and [TS]

  then it's like okay in theory you're [TS]

  hiding the notch like I can't actually [TS]

  see where the knotch begins and ends [TS]

  versus where the screen begins an end [TS]

  that's where the screen is actually [TS]

  black but then it's it's suddenly like [TS]

  really noticeable and and this is 100% [TS]

  reverse the reaction I would have [TS]

  expected to have I was thinking out I [TS]

  hope those developers don't embrace the [TS]

  notch and they stick with blacking out [TS]

  the top bars because surely that will [TS]

  look better but it doesn't I don't know [TS]

  how that's possible but it doesn't look [TS]

  better that way that is when I suddenly [TS]

  become aware of the notch at the top of [TS]

  the screen as pretty is when people are [TS]

  trying to hide it I think what's [TS]

  happened is because so many apps updated [TS]

  and kind of embraced it and designed [TS]

  around it and flow color and backgrounds [TS]

  up to the top when you see an [TS]

  application that doesn't have it a lot [TS]

  of the time it's because it hasn't been [TS]

  updated right so there's apps that are [TS]

  kind of in like a letterbox window mode [TS]

  if they've not updated so I think when [TS]

  you see an app that has updated for the [TS]

  10 but then decides to black it out it [TS]

  looks like it's old yeah maybe a little [TS]

  bit like that I do have to say this is [TS]

  the best version of the phone where non [TS]

  updated app still look okay yeah I [TS]

  always wonder like how much does Apple [TS]

  go out of their way to make non updated [TS]

  apps for whatever their new devices look [TS]

  great and it feels like not much because [TS]

  they don't have any incentive for that [TS]

  but this is this is the only phone where [TS]

  I can use non updated apps and it's it's [TS]

  no problem at all like they just sort of [TS]

  float in the middle of the screen and I [TS]

  think it's it's perfectly fine yeah I [TS]

  think the OLED screen helps a lot with [TS]

  that because the blacks are so black [TS]

  that it looks like just part of the [TS]

  phone yeah the old yeah the OLED screen [TS]

  definitely helps but I'll tell you what [TS]

  Mike my favorite thing about the knotch [TS]

  they feature as far as I'm concerned is [TS]

  the notch has forced Apple to get rid of [TS]

  the dumb cell phone carrier names in a [TS]

  little status bar at the top I have for [TS]

  four years there is a network carrier in [TS]

  the UK called three and so their little [TS]

  symbol is just a number three in the [TS]

  status bar and I have not wanted to [TS]

  switch away from them for years almost [TS]

  entirely because of the fact that they [TS]

  have the smallest network indicator in [TS]

  the status bar at the top of the screen [TS]

  and earlier this year they rolled out [TS]

  some feature which was like three Wi-Fi [TS]

  oh yeah yeah you know and so when I was [TS]

  at home one day all of a sudden the [TS]

  status bar at the top of my screen says [TS]

  three Wi-Fi calling across the top on my [TS]

  previous phone was like what the hell is [TS]

  this and I was I was gonna literally [TS]

  switch phone networks over that before I [TS]

  discovered that you can just turn off [TS]

  the function of three Wi-Fi calling what [TS]

  on the phone so I was like I never used [TS]

  this phone as a phone anyway boop [TS]

  feature off like give me back my old [TS]

  tiny indicator so I really hated a bunch [TS]

  of junky stuff up in in the status bar [TS]

  and so the notch forces them to get rid [TS]

  of that it only shows up on the [TS]

  lockscreen I love that and then plus [TS]

  there was one other one other little [TS]

  moment of delight for me and one where I [TS]

  thought oh I'm so happy right now which [TS]

  is I have always run my iPhone without [TS]

  showing the battery percentage it's like [TS]

  anything I can do to minimize [TS]

  information on my phone I will always [TS]

  take that option but there was a thing [TS]

  that always felt like Apple sticking [TS]

  their thumb in my eye [TS]

  which was if you enabled low-power mode [TS]

  on the phone it would force the battery [TS]

  percentage back in the display [TS]

  it just always drove me crazy like why [TS]

  like who is who is the engineer who [TS]

  programmed this behavior which is like [TS]

  oh you don't like the battery percentage [TS]

  well a low-power mode we're gonna force [TS]

  you to see it but now there's no space [TS]

  there they can't do it [TS]

  so I finally have low-power mode without [TS]

  the battery percentage and I kept like I [TS]

  cannot tell you how disproportionately [TS]

  happy that makes me so this is total win [TS]

  total unexpected favorite feature of the [TS]

  knotch is it pushes out all of this [TS]

  junky superfluous information in the [TS]

  status bar I totally love it long live [TS]

  the knotch [TS]

  I have Wi-Fi calling with EE right and [TS]

  on the new phone e Wi-Fi call doesn't [TS]

  fit in the knotch [TS]

  mmm-hmm can you guess what they do that [TS]

  we nope it's like a little carousel see [TS]

  it's scroll scrolls do you remember on [TS]

  the iPods that you could get like a [TS]

  title of the song and it just starts [TS]

  moving yeah that's what this does ee [TS]

  Wi-Fi calling is just scrolling across [TS]

  the top of my screen like some kind of [TS]

  big italy circus that's fantastic just [TS]

  on the lock screen yeah just on the lock [TS]

  screen I hate it but I need Wi-Fi [TS]

  calling cuz I get such bad reception in [TS]

  my house yeah but like I never see it [TS]

  for that long but it's like I'm so [TS]

  pleased they got rid of it on the [TS]

  lockscreen but like on the home screen [TS]

  cuz that would drive me mad I couldn't [TS]

  have something just spinning constantly [TS]

  yeah that's terrible yeah terrible [TS]

  design it's like guys make up a symbol [TS]

  and the symbol means Wi-Fi calling and [TS]

  just leave it at that right all these [TS]

  words that you have to read in your mind [TS]

  that is that is terrible I'm sorry that [TS]

  you can't disable the feature because [TS]

  you don't have cell phone connection now [TS]

  where you are yeah the outer rim yeah [TS]

  well you're in you're in like the inner [TS]

  outer rim now that's good you've moved [TS]

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  so I've got a question for you right but [TS]

  moving the whole button has brought [TS]

  about a bunch of gestures right like [TS]

  swiping up gestures and and that's kind [TS]

  of stuff like you swipe up to go home [TS]

  swipe up from what is a skein how are [TS]

  your hands dealing with that okay I feel [TS]

  like there's two questions here but the [TS]

  question I think you're asking that I [TS]

  think that I mean I'm hearing in your [TS]

  voice is related to a thing that we've [TS]

  discussed many times on the show which [TS]

  is RSI uh-huh like like I hear I hear [TS]

  the sound of pain in your voice yeah so [TS]

  I have had no problems with any kind of [TS]

  RSI [TS]

  whereas when that were what was it on [TS]

  the six when the 3d touch came in or [TS]

  maybe was the five I don't remember when [TS]

  when that came in but that that is a [TS]

  feature that I use extremely rarely [TS]

  because it will give me pain in my hands [TS]

  so I'm very very light 3d touch user but [TS]

  with this phone and with the bunch of [TS]

  gestures I I feel like I've had nothing [TS]

  I'm noticing no pain in my hands but it [TS]

  sounds like you have pain in your hands [TS]

  I have pain in both of my hands as bad [TS]

  as the MX mouse gave me whoa [TS]

  wait both of you like are you are you [TS]

  hot potato in the phone between your [TS]

  hands to try to minimize RSI I don't [TS]

  what's going on I I don't use my phone [TS]

  with just one hand it's I'm it was [TS]

  ambidextrous with my phone like I don't [TS]

  know however I'm coupling this with I've [TS]

  also been playing a lot more on Nintendo [TS]

  switch than usual in the last few days [TS]

  like there is actually this seems to [TS]

  have been like a combo between getting [TS]

  the iPhone and Nintendo like coming at [TS]

  the same time I've been playing a lot of [TS]

  and I've been spending time of a lot of [TS]

  both right so I've been adapting to a [TS]

  new phone whilst also playing [TS]

  significantly more video games than [TS]

  usual [TS]

  and I think and hope that the [TS]

  combination of both of these things is [TS]

  causing me to have pretty bad RSI right [TS]

  now I remember when I switched to the [TS]

  plus I had some problems too and I think [TS]

  it was just like an adaption phase and [TS]

  also a case of like I'm using my phone [TS]

  way more than I usually do like there [TS]

  will be times where I would never pick [TS]

  up my phone in a day time right like [TS]

  I've issues in my iPads but since I've [TS]

  got this phone I've been playing of it [TS]

  constantly because it's a new toy and I [TS]

  like to play with new toys right so I'm [TS]

  hoping it's just a combination of those [TS]

  otherwise I'm in trouble [TS]

  yeah that's pretty serious I mean I'm [TS]

  hoping that you're right it is just in [TS]

  an adaption period plus a playing period [TS]

  and it's also it's compounded with a lot [TS]

  of Nintendo and and playing and Nintendo [TS]

  in handheld mode I don't think it's the [TS]

  best thing for your hands because the [TS]

  controls aren't incredibly laid out and [TS]

  it's heavy [TS]

  mmm so I think it might be a combo [TS]

  all of these things together yeah well [TS]

  we can we can get to some switch talk [TS]

  later good yeah that can be a thing we [TS]

  don't we can have many devices on this [TS]

  episode but yeah I know what you mean [TS]

  they're just about playing with the [TS]

  phone a million times more because even [TS]

  like I said I'm mostly interested in the [TS]

  new size but whenever you do have a new [TS]

  device it's like oh well I'm gonna I'm [TS]

  gonna set aside an afternoon to just [TS]

  kind of mess around with the phone and [TS]

  and see what's different and see how [TS]

  things change and see how I'm gonna set [TS]

  up different stuff so see yeah it's like [TS]

  my iPhone use over the past week is also [TS]

  not a normal graph of what iPhone use [TS]

  looks like because I keep messing around [TS]

  with it and adjusting and seeing [TS]

  different things and trying our face ID [TS]

  and learning new gestures and stuff so I [TS]

  can't say that I've been having any [TS]

  problem with RSI I will say that there [TS]

  is it there's a thing that I'm kind of [TS]

  concerned about in the iOS world which [TS]

  is just the the gestures and their [TS]

  differences between devices which is [TS]

  kind of driving me crazy the [TS]

  interactions now between an iPad and an [TS]

  iPhone in terms of what the very same [TS]

  gestures do being different is driving [TS]

  me a little nuts like what happens when [TS]

  you swipe up from the bottom on an iPad [TS]

  or versus an iPhone they're totally [TS]

  different things or you know how do you [TS]

  get to multitasking is like well these [TS]

  are different gestures on the different [TS]

  devices [TS]

  where's control center how do you get to [TS]

  control center these are different [TS]

  gestures on different devices and that [TS]

  kind of inconsistency I find really [TS]

  frustrating because it's like I can't I [TS]

  find myself not being able to [TS]

  effortlessly move from one device to the [TS]

  other and I like when I'm on my iPad I [TS]

  find myself doing the wrong gestures and [TS]

  then I go back to the phone and it takes [TS]

  me a second to realize like oh right I [TS]

  have to do this gesture this way so I'm [TS]

  hoping this is just a temporary phase in [TS]

  the product life cycle but I am a little [TS]

  bit concerned by the weirdness of the [TS]

  different interactions of [TS]

  across the the different devices I'm [TS]

  hoping that there can be something a [TS]

  little bit more unified in an approach [TS]

  in the future particularly with the [TS]

  multitasking I'm really not a fan of the [TS]

  multitasking on the phone I think that a [TS]

  lot of that stuff's gonna get revised [TS]

  honestly like I can see that like [TS]

  they've used a swipe up gesture in both [TS]

  areas right so there's like there is an [TS]

  attempt in my opinion at some kind of [TS]

  unification and I think that as we go [TS]

  forward those things are gonna become [TS]

  more similar than than they currently [TS]

  are that that's the way I look at it [TS]

  yeah I hope so I find the apps which are [TS]

  on the phone is just like an awkward [TS]

  gesture I think like many people I'm [TS]

  trying to figure out what's the way that [TS]

  works the best for me and the way the [TS]

  way Apple pitches it has swipe up and [TS]

  pause I think for any gesture that [TS]

  you're going to invoke many many times a [TS]

  pause is yeah totally unacceptable to [TS]

  tasking gesture is is wonky at best just [TS]

  in the case like I've spoken about on a [TS]

  few shows and I and everyone's telling [TS]

  me the right way to do it and [TS]

  everybody's right way is different like [TS]

  everybody has their own way of invoking [TS]

  this gesture and everybody sees better [TS]

  yes I am doing a quarter-circle that [TS]

  starts from the bottom yeah bones I go [TS]

  I'm flying in from next door and then [TS]

  like you know it's like a whole big [TS]

  thing so I just yeah is not what it [TS]

  should be but I also don't know what the [TS]

  right one I mean ideally I would like to [TS]

  see something that was more like the [TS]

  iPad but I think I think they may go [TS]

  that way right that you just you swipe [TS]

  up a little bit to go home you swipe up [TS]

  further to go into multitasking well I [TS]

  think that they want to make it a bit [TS]

  easier for people to adjust and I think [TS]

  if you're adjusting from the iPhone this [TS]

  is an easier way to adjust because [TS]

  swiping up is or is a weird interaction [TS]

  when you've been so used to the home [TS]

  button yeah yeah I think I agree that [TS]

  that's probably what they're going for [TS]

  I'm also betting that in testing with [TS]

  new users it's the most discoverable [TS]

  because people will leave their finger [TS]

  on the screen maybe [TS]

  for a second too young and then [TS]

  multitasking pops up and people go oh [TS]

  that's where it is right I'm I have this [TS]

  feels very much like it's designed [TS]

  towards new users but my personal my [TS]

  personal vote on multitasking is I do [TS]

  like the gesture where you swipe across [TS]

  the bottom of the phone and it has the [TS]

  most recent couple of apps like the [TS]

  swiping left and right on the home [TS]

  indicator and it just takes you back and [TS]

  forward through the apps you've used [TS]

  right yes yeah I I would love to use [TS]

  that just as the app switcher like do [TS]

  this quickly enough and it just pulls up [TS]

  a whole bunch that you can slide back [TS]

  and forth between but that is totally [TS]

  not discoverable for a new user and of [TS]

  course you know control center is a bit [TS]

  of a disaster on the new phone I don't [TS]

  think anybody's a big fan of where [TS]

  control sitting right now it's like to [TS]

  get Control Center you have to swipe [TS]

  down from the upper right corner it's [TS]

  like the exact opposite of where it used [TS]

  to be and it's not at all intuitive like [TS]

  it's and like even the animation is a [TS]

  disaster like that's not a good part of [TS]

  it at all well there's also a minor [TS]

  point to me about control center as well [TS]

  which is when you pull it down the [TS]

  control center buttons and stuff they're [TS]

  floating in the top half of the screen [TS]

  anyway all right so it's like it's [TS]

  almost making sure that you have to use [TS]

  two hands for this gesture because it's [TS]

  like if if in theory you were able to [TS]

  stretch your thumb to reach that top bit [TS]

  it's like the buttons are still on the [TS]

  wrong side of the screen for where [TS]

  they're supposed to be and for me as a [TS]

  left-handed iPhone user it's it's [TS]

  especially like oh oh well bye-bye [TS]

  control center it was it was nice [TS]

  knowing you [TS]

  and I find it frustrating simply because [TS]

  I feel like all these gestures are are [TS]

  there for the notification screen which [TS]

  I have no use for in the world of Apple [TS]

  like I'm not interested in your [TS]

  notification screen please just let me [TS]

  get control center from anywhere instead [TS]

  of this like oh we have with one tiny [TS]

  little space on the top of the screen [TS]

  where you can access control center a [TS]

  thing you use many times a day and we [TS]

  have the rest of the 75% of the space is [TS]

  there for a thing that you never use so [TS]

  yeah I'm hoping for a bunch of changes [TS]

  but I mean that that said I do have to [TS]

  say like getting rid of the home button [TS]

  it's totally the right choice and even [TS]

  though we've just been complaining about [TS]

  the gestures a a home button list phone [TS]

  I like it ten thousand times better than [TS]

  the fake home button on the on the seven [TS]

  right where it's like it wasn't a real [TS]

  button it was just like they just had [TS]

  fat haptic feedback I never liked that [TS]

  button I never got used to it and I [TS]

  always preferred the physical button but [TS]

  now it's like I wouldn't I wouldn't take [TS]

  I wouldn't take a physical button on [TS]

  this phone if Apple offered it to me I [TS]

  would I would just pass by it on the [TS]

  ground and not touch it at all because [TS]

  the the no home button phone is way [TS]

  better and just feels really natural so [TS]

  I like a big big thumbs up for that even [TS]

  if the gestures are a bit wonky and [TS]

  could use some some sorting out but like [TS]

  that's all workable later right like [TS]

  these things make sense once more people [TS]

  are using them and it's just software [TS]

  right so they can make a move iOS around [TS]

  whoever they want going forward but the [TS]

  hardware design and it moves that [TS]

  they're making in hardware including [TS]

  face ID in my opinion or all excellent [TS]

  and in the right direction but it's such [TS]

  a big change that they need to do some [TS]

  work on the software yeah yeah I [TS]

  completely agree I am I am liking face [TS]

  ID it's it's very interesting as well to [TS]

  have it in the hands and test it out how [TS]

  how does it work for a man with if I may [TS]

  say quite a magnificent beard thank [TS]

  thank you that's very kind of you I [TS]

  expect it works good for me as it does [TS]

  for you I find an emoji sometimes gets a [TS]

  little bit confused at my mouth [TS]

  movements but I wouldn't say that I'm [TS]

  struggling with face ID so like there [TS]

  are times when it definitely doesn't [TS]

  work right and but to be honest like I [TS]

  don't feel like I'm having more problems [TS]

  than I had to touch ID like touch ID [TS]

  wasn't a 100% of the time type thing you [TS]

  like if you didn't hit it just right [TS]

  then it didn't work the only times were [TS]

  obviously I'm struggling with it is like [TS]

  let's say I have my hand covering my [TS]

  face or something I'm like oh this [TS]

  doesn't work right the guy if I have my [TS]

  hand [TS]

  kind of on my chin and like covering up [TS]

  for most of my mouth for my cheek or [TS]

  whatever like I'm just sitting there but [TS]

  there's work right so there's just [TS]

  little things that I'm adjusting and [TS]

  tweaking but it works perfectly fine for [TS]

  me right like I don't and and also it [TS]

  feels more nice ID makes you really [TS]

  aware of your face in a way oh yeah [TS]

  before it's very strange though it's [TS]

  like oh okay so I have my head in my [TS]

  hands a lot more than I thought I did [TS]

  that's good to know about me I wonder [TS]

  what that says yeah like I just I've [TS]

  never really thought about what my [TS]

  iPhone sees from its perspective [TS]

  yes throughout the day is a really [TS]

  grumpy person yeah just like it just [TS]

  never occurred to me but now it's a [TS]

  thing I have to think about constantly [TS]

  it's like oh sitting in your little dock [TS]

  you can't really see me phone it's it's [TS]

  you're way too low I don't know what [TS]

  you're looking at but if not me yeah [TS]

  it's in it it is interesting to think of [TS]

  in that way but I I will say that I have [TS]

  found the face ID to work about as good [TS]

  as I expected it to work and I'm happy [TS]

  with that [TS]

  how does it detect a stick figure like [TS]

  have you been doing okay well I mean [TS]

  haha but I have to say I have been [TS]

  having a lot of problems with face ID [TS]

  even under optimal situations I would [TS]

  say that it at least I've been finding [TS]

  it less reliable than touch ID in terms [TS]

  of how often does it say no no you have [TS]

  to enter in your passcode it's quite a [TS]

  bunch for me like obviously it works [TS]

  more often than not right just like [TS]

  touch ID but I'm getting a lot of [TS]

  failures in what I what I think should [TS]

  be optimal situations right I'm not [TS]

  grumpy with my head in my hands you know [TS]

  I'm just like right in front of the [TS]

  phone and it still fails on me it was so [TS]

  much in the beginning that I ended up [TS]

  retraining it which I think made it a [TS]

  little bit better but this is this is [TS]

  also like we're in the time where [TS]

  there's machine learning like in [TS]

  everything and I know that yes they do [TS]

  update the model of the face over time [TS]

  in theory every time you are entering [TS]

  your passcode it should be getting [TS]

  better yeah it should be getting better [TS]

  but I would say I'm getting a lot of [TS]

  failures on on face ID [TS]

  more than I was getting with touch ID [TS]

  which at least for me was just [TS]

  rock solid like it was it was notable [TS]

  when I had a touch ID failure and it was [TS]

  always my fault like I'm just getting [TS]

  out of the shower [TS]

  lissa could be all full but in different [TS]

  ways right-clicking ways that you'll not [TS]

  anticipate yeah there's no they're not [TS]

  enough features on my face face ID to [TS]

  register just have a more feature full [TS]

  face what's wrong with you could you [TS]

  make your face more face like that's it [TS]

  but but but even that like again so it's [TS]

  sort of like we're just complaining [TS]

  about the gestures but I like the [TS]

  buttonless phone better even if for me [TS]

  face IDs machine learning never improved [TS]

  I already love face ID way more than [TS]

  touch ID yeah because yeah when it works [TS]

  it's magic [TS]

  it makes the interaction with the phone [TS]

  so much faster that I think even the [TS]

  times I have to enter in my passcode I'm [TS]

  still winning in terms of time even more [TS]

  I love that other apps can use face ID [TS]

  as well like my banking app updated to [TS]

  use face ID for the login process it's [TS]

  like it's great I really like that [TS]

  there's also a little thing which I've [TS]

  changed on my phone which I'm which I'm [TS]

  very happy about but I realized like oh [TS]

  now that I have face ID I can change a [TS]

  bunch of settings I know what this is [TS]

  what do you think this is Mike the [TS]

  notifications stuff okay yeah not just [TS]

  the notification stuff I was looking [TS]

  through the security settings and [TS]

  there's all of these questions about [TS]

  what do you want to be able to have [TS]

  access to on the phone when the phone is [TS]

  in a locked state and previously I had [TS]

  all of that stuff accessible except for [TS]

  showing notification previews I always [TS]

  turned that off because I never liked [TS]

  that just as a privacy I always had that [TS]

  disabled until the phone was unlocks it [TS]

  would show like oh there's a message [TS]

  from my wife but it wouldn't say what it [TS]

  is on the screen until I entered in the [TS]

  passcode [TS]

  but now I've disabled everything right [TS]

  everything is disabled on there because [TS]

  what's the scenario where I want to [TS]

  access something on my phone but I'm not [TS]

  going to be looking at the phone right [TS]

  that's never well like give me an [TS]

  example like what sort of stuff of you [TS]

  disabled okay so you can disable swiping [TS]

  over to all of the widgets [TS]

  all right so so like right now if my [TS]

  phone is in the locked state no one can [TS]

  even look at the widgets that are on my [TS]

  phone which is great because I have some [TS]

  of my time tracking stuff on the widgets [TS]

  and I also have to do and OmniFocus [TS]

  enable you to put a little widget on [TS]

  that home screen and that was always the [TS]

  number one thing I was aware of if [TS]

  somebody was ever looking at my phone [TS]

  was it's like well there are it's not [TS]

  like it's a huge privacy deal but I just [TS]

  rather not have it there where someone [TS]

  sees like all my weird reminders to [TS]

  myself so now I've disabled all of that [TS]

  stuff so you can't you can't access the [TS]

  widgets on my phone unless my phone is [TS]

  in the unlocked state it's also access [TS]

  to Notification Center even though I [TS]

  don't use it I also disabled access to [TS]

  control center so someone can't take the [TS]

  phone and put it in airplane mode [TS]

  without it being unlocked so my phone is [TS]

  just like a glass slab when I hand it to [TS]

  someone that does nothing until it is [TS]

  unlocked and I love this I really really [TS]

  love it because that's that's how it [TS]

  feels like the phone should be like hey [TS]

  phone you're my phone you work for me [TS]

  and if you're in somebody else's hands [TS]

  you do nothing okay you can show them [TS]

  the time but beyond showing them the [TS]

  time you do nothing and that's great I [TS]

  absolutely love that so big big plus for [TS]

  me for face ID security wise and I would [TS]

  recommend to listeners if you have the X [TS]

  go in and disable all of that stuff I [TS]

  had no idea you even could yeah it's [TS]

  great it's fantastic I absolutely love [TS]

  it [TS]

  yeah like I don't want especially like [TS]

  sone telling off Siri I don't want [TS]

  somebody to have access to Siri yes Siri [TS]

  is a great example like I've always [TS]

  turned off hey Siri on the phone anyway [TS]

  but it's the same thing it's like if the [TS]

  phone is locked since I can access Siri [TS]

  on my Apple watch if I ever really need [TS]

  her for something like I don't need the [TS]

  phone here I don't need some random [TS]

  person being able to trigger Siri on my [TS]

  phone when it's locked [TS]

  all of that stuff is off yeah that's [TS]

  that's a really good one even the least [TS]

  serious is that well now you can like [TS]

  access a bunch of stuff I suppose I mean [TS]

  I don't know maybe there's some [TS]

  restriction series still has [TS]

  but considering I don't even really use [TS]

  it that much why does why does it need [TS]

  to be available to anybody yeah so [TS]

  everything is off or or like access to [TS]

  home control all of those things all [TS]

  disabled that's great fantastic today's [TS]

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  final thing that I love that I love Mike [TS]

  is the wireless charging okay oh my god [TS]

  okay so even though I'm one of those [TS]

  curmudgeons who still doesn't quite like [TS]

  the name Wireless charge now why are [TS]

  somewhere like there is no such thing as [TS]

  well as charging in this definition gray [TS]

  there's always wires I just like ID when [TS]

  I really want wireless charging to be [TS]

  the kind of charging where it's charged [TS]

  at the phone while it's in my pocket [TS]

  yeah but like where is the power coming [TS]

  from some way there's gonna be a wire [TS]

  like but I don't want a wire like it's [TS]

  like but I'm just I'm bringing this up [TS]

  because just to say like I'm a pedantic [TS]

  nerd on this one point you really are [TS]

  but nonetheless I'm gonna totally [TS]

  concede and just call it Wireless [TS]

  because it's like you know what I'm [TS]

  gonna give this to you technology [TS]

  because I love you so much I'm just [TS]

  gonna call you Wireless and let it go [TS]

  and and this to me this to me is now [TS]

  like [TS]

  is maybe one going to be one of my go-to [TS]

  examples for the kind of thing where I [TS]

  just think people under appreciate the [TS]

  benefits of making things just a little [TS]

  easier because it's like is it hard to [TS]

  plug a wire into your phone no of course [TS]

  it's not right it's it's a trivially [TS]

  easy thing to do it's even easier if you [TS]

  have a doc right you can just like boom [TS]

  slam the phone right down and it starts [TS]

  to charge but to have a little charging [TS]

  pad is easier still so I've just I just [TS]

  got a couple of these like they're not [TS]

  even great wireless charging pads you [TS]

  need to hit it somewhat precisely on the [TS]

  center so I'm looking forward to apples [TS]

  ones which will let you kind of put it [TS]

  down anywhere but even even that it's [TS]

  like just putting a wireless charger in [TS]

  the places where I normally leave my [TS]

  phone I love it I absolutely love it so [TS]

  much anything in my life that can remove [TS]

  one step and make a thing easier it is [TS]

  great [TS]

  so twelve out of 10 stars for wireless [TS]

  charging it's it's fantastic [TS]

  everything make my life easier [TS]

  technology this is this is what you're [TS]

  here for make my life better in big ways [TS]

  and make it easier in small ways yeah [TS]

  just I'm not excited about this it [TS]

  doesn't work for me with the ways that I [TS]

  charge my phone so like I don't I don't [TS]

  understand okay I mean so I have two [TS]

  docks in my house that I charge my phone [TS]

  on okay they're both from a couple of [TS]

  friends of mine they have a company [TS]

  called Studio neat and they make these [TS]

  dogs called the material docks and I [TS]

  have one which is just my phone and one [TS]

  which is my phone and my watch and you [TS]

  just put them in the dock and the phone [TS]

  standing up which I like right and with [TS]

  the one my on my bedside table I also [TS]

  charge my watch on the same dock so like [TS]

  my watch on my phone or all in one [TS]

  contained little unit but while this [TS]

  charging isn't that either of that like [TS]

  there are there are wireless charges [TS]

  which will put your phone in a in a [TS]

  portrait orientation I think Samsung [TS]

  make one and I'm looking at some of [TS]

  those and I might get one for my desk [TS]

  because that's kind of all the the fun [TS]

  one is it's just a place where I stand [TS]

  it up but I really like that I have in [TS]

  my bedroom just one charge a one that [TS]

  will contain [TS]

  unit that charges everything and I like [TS]

  my phone to be standing up when it's [TS]

  charging rather than laying down like [TS]

  kind of just like the current charges [TS]

  that are available is the ones that app [TS]

  were promoting like the Belkin one and [TS]

  the Mophie one they kind of just these [TS]

  discs and you just put your phone on the [TS]

  disc and that kind of it doesn't do it [TS]

  for me I don't get any extra benefit [TS]

  from that at home and then I do from the [TS]

  docs that I already have honestly like I [TS]

  don't feel like I'm really struggling to [TS]

  put my phone and I just stand it up on [TS]

  the dock like it goes in very easily and [TS]

  it's nicely done [TS]

  yeah but the benefit is laziness Mike [TS]

  laziness is but I don't know you're [TS]

  doing a controlled landing of your phone [TS]

  onto the dock right can't just lay these [TS]

  things down you have to line it up right [TS]

  and so I'm gonna be constantly like I [TS]

  know I'm gonna be like just making sure [TS]

  I put it on the back just right oh yeah [TS]

  I did right so yeah I do get it I do get [TS]

  it because um I had a head for a while [TS]

  when I was traveling I was using a [TS]

  Mophie battery case on my seven plus let [TS]

  me tell you makes a big phone yes like [TS]

  it's like one of those old motorist [TS]

  attacks or something at that point yeah [TS]

  it was comically huge Plus that case had [TS]

  wireless charging in it which was my [TS]

  first experience with wireless charging [TS]

  and I really hated it because the base [TS]

  and the case had like had zero slop like [TS]

  you had to land it precisely or it [TS]

  wasn't going to work I thought like oh [TS]

  the hell of this right this is this is [TS]

  worse than just having a wire I don't [TS]

  like it at all [TS]

  whereas I just I just got think I just [TS]

  got the movie one from my office for the [TS]

  iPhone and there's enough slop in there [TS]

  that I hit it on target every time and [TS]

  so I absolutely love it I'm looking [TS]

  forward to the Apple version which [TS]

  allows you to charge a few things and [TS]

  there's one big advantage here which is [TS]

  it will charge the Apple watch which [TS]

  means I don't have to bring an apple [TS]

  watch charger when I travel which is by [TS]

  far and away my least favorite charger [TS]

  to bring it's [TS]

  it's like one charger for one device I [TS]

  hate bringing the Apple watch charger I [TS]

  don't like it what's your hesitation I'm [TS]

  unconvinced that it's gonna work with my [TS]

  Apple watch what do you mean I have one [TS]

  of these new sport loops hmm so it [TS]

  doesn't you you can't like open the [TS]

  watch out and lay it flat because the [TS]

  band is one consistent loop of material [TS]

  yeah so it's not like a sport band where [TS]

  you take it off and you can lay it out [TS]

  completely flat on the desk because it's [TS]

  two pieces that meet in the middle the [TS]

  loop one it kind of just loops around [TS]

  your wrist so it doesn't open out is [TS]

  that the velcro one is that one yeah the [TS]

  new one the new velcro one and it's low [TS]

  I'm sorry is the new hook and loop one [TS]

  my mistake yes it's not Velcro velcro is [TS]

  it's a trademark thing it's like it's [TS]

  very anyway further and it's the same as [TS]

  like the millones one like the metal one [TS]

  that kind of it just like slips in and [TS]

  loops around on your wrist [TS]

  those don't lay flat on the desk you [TS]

  kind of lay them on the side so I don't [TS]

  think it will work if I want to use this [TS]

  band yeah I mean now here's the thing [TS]

  like I'm I totally understand your [TS]

  position because and I will do you one a [TS]

  thousand times worse which is I love [TS]

  love my black metal link band [TS]

  yes my evil empire band which is [TS]

  incapable of even collapsing to any [TS]

  extent right it's it's just a like a [TS]

  beautiful ring of metal that is not [TS]

  flexible and so I I know that I'm gonna [TS]

  have to make some kind of trade-off with [TS]

  how that charging is going to work when [TS]

  I'm traveling is like maybe I just won't [TS]

  be able to bring my beautiful favorite [TS]

  band [TS]

  with me when I'm traveling as much but [TS]

  it's like I'm gonna have to make a [TS]

  decision about that with how that works [TS]

  when I'm on the road but I am aware that [TS]

  like I am not giving up that watch band [TS]

  so I have a yeah I have I have a 12 [TS]

  South dock that I use to charge my watch [TS]

  at home that's a you know hold it up [TS]

  vertically and I'm I am aware that [TS]

  that's going to have to stick around if [TS]

  I'm going to keep my metal band but for [TS]

  for traveling purposes I'm willing to [TS]

  make some kind of [TS]

  compromise about what Apple watch bands [TS]

  do I bring if I can get the benefit of [TS]

  the wireless charger because I really [TS]

  hate bringing the separate Apple watch [TS]

  charger I really do I find that kind it [TS]

  frustrating though because this is the [TS]

  new band that they make and ship by [TS]

  default with the watches and they're [TS]

  making a charging pad that won't work [TS]

  with it and I understand the technology [TS]

  at play but I figure you should work you [TS]

  find a way around this like there should [TS]

  be a workaround and maybe maybe you can [TS]

  just loop the band underneath right and [TS]

  it will work and if that works then [TS]

  great but if there is no way to make it [TS]

  work with the sport loop I'm going to be [TS]

  very disappointed because this is the [TS]

  bet this is the band you make like you [TS]

  have Apple has like a whole selection of [TS]

  bands that don't completely detach right [TS]

  like they have the buckles and there's [TS]

  lots of them so there are a lot of their [TS]

  watches that don't lay flat because they [TS]

  don't detach in the middle the bands [TS]

  don't attach in the middle and so [TS]

  they're saying that their fancy wireless [TS]

  charging thing will work with none of [TS]

  those like that is a I would find that [TS]

  to be really frustrating honestly I'm [TS]

  thinking I'm thinking maybe maybe my [TS]

  evil empire watch right it will not Bend [TS]

  but can I can I take the air power pad [TS]

  and bend it to the watch's will like [TS]

  will it will it roll up into a cylinder [TS]

  and I can slide the cylinder into the [TS]

  middle of the watch will that work I bet [TS]

  that is the pad is a is i solid in the [TS]

  middle I like this idea I like this idea [TS]

  look I'm I'm not going to be the first [TS]

  to do it but when these things come out [TS]

  somebody out there has to try rolling it [TS]

  up correct it like like a paper towel [TS]

  roll size and just slide it in the [TS]

  middle of the watch band see if it works [TS]

  maybe that's Apple's plan maybe that [TS]

  maybe that's the way it's gonna work I [TS]

  hope I really hope that's yeah I hope so [TS]

  too [TS]

  that would be fantastic more convenient [TS]

  bringing an Apple watch charger rolling [TS]

  up my wireless charger every night to [TS]

  shove it through my watch ban a plus [TS]

  plus way more convenient [TS]

  so great when we were preparing for [TS]

  today's episode right I was doing [TS]

  something on my iPhone and I put my [TS]

  iPhone down and I went to make coffee [TS]

  and also at the same times making coffee [TS]

  I was preparing some lamb soup which is [TS]

  a drinking paracetamol type thing I [TS]

  don't know how to describe lemsip for [TS]

  our American audience or a non UK [TS]

  audience what is there or something we [TS]

  can compare lemsip to no there isn't and [TS]

  part of the problem is as someone who [TS]

  has been brought into the lemsip world [TS]

  by moving into the UK I feel like [TS]

  there's also a you can describe what the [TS]

  thing is but there's also there's also [TS]

  like a like a psychological comfort that [TS]

  surrounds lemsip yes which is difficult [TS]

  to explain ok so I have like a slight [TS]

  cold right now and it's one of those [TS]

  annoying colds that isn't it's there but [TS]

  it's not enough to knock me out so it's [TS]

  kind of just like floating in the middle [TS]

  and it's really frustrating so I'm [TS]

  taking lemsip and lemsip is like a cold [TS]

  and flu remedy it's mostly paracetamol [TS]

  based its flavored in some way and you [TS]

  you melt it in boiling water and then [TS]

  you drink it like a tea it's like a tea [TS]

  with healing properties it's a magical [TS]

  tea but but yeah but that's exactly what [TS]

  it feels like I'm drinking magic happy [TS]

  tea it's like I know this will make me [TS]

  feel better or even though I don't want [TS]

  to have it like it's magic it's magic [TS]

  and I there is a daily good flavor of [TS]

  this is apple and cinnamon in my you are [TS]

  so wrong lemon is the only except lemon [TS]

  is the worst possible flavor an apple [TS]

  and cinnamon is only available in the [TS]

  winter so I stockpile it I buy like 4 or [TS]

  5 boxes every winter so I can keep it [TS]

  just in case I need it in other months [TS]

  of the year [TS]

  let the lemon one is the hell version I [TS]

  can't believe that you like the lemon [TS]

  version I know I'm so lemon is the best [TS]

  but you do need you do need just like a [TS]

  like a half teaspoon of sugar to take [TS]

  we'll see no but nothing to do that at [TS]

  the Apple Oh cinnamon you just need what [TS]

  is that see what you're modifying it [TS]

  it's not that's not right it's not right [TS]

  you're adding to it right the lemon is [TS]

  bad because you need to add that a lemon [TS]

  you don't need to add to the apple and [TS]

  cinnamon the apple and cinnamon is is [TS]

  what it is anyway cortex where people [TS]

  I was making I was making my lemsip and [TS]

  I wanted to set a four hour timer so I [TS]

  knew when it was okay for me to have [TS]

  some more so I opened do on my Apple [TS]

  watch and I hit the little button to [TS]

  reset the timer it was at that moment [TS]

  that I realized that I think for the [TS]

  first time in many years [TS]

  I am very content with my technology [TS]

  everything right now is working for me [TS]

  even at the level that I expect or is [TS]

  exceeding my expectations so like right [TS]

  now my expectations have been exceeded [TS]

  by the iPhone 10 because I've been [TS]

  mostly unhappy with the rate of iPhone [TS]

  development over the last couple of [TS]

  years like I've said in many places [TS]

  probably on this show as well that I was [TS]

  disappointed with the iPhone 7 because I [TS]

  felt like it took away more than it gave [TS]

  as a device you know like you'd lost a [TS]

  headphone jack lost a physical home [TS]

  button and didn't really gain anything [TS]

  except waterproofing in my opinion like [TS]

  there was just nothing that that phone [TS]

  really gave me other than just like the [TS]

  general iterative improvements of speed [TS]

  and better cameras um and then but the [TS]

  iPhone 10 has not only given me more [TS]

  improvements it's it's done them at a [TS]

  rate which has been uncharacteristic for [TS]

  the last few years I'm really happy with [TS]

  that [TS]

  the Apple watch 3 is a great iterative [TS]

  improvement on a relatively new product [TS]

  it moves so fast now I love the cellular [TS]

  connection to it like it works great and [TS]

  then I was thinking like my iPad pros [TS]

  the 10.5 inch iPad pro is the best iPad [TS]

  that's ever been made in my opinion and [TS]

  the 12.9 has just continued to get [TS]

  better and better so I'm really happy of [TS]

  those and then like even outside of my [TS]

  Apple technology like I love my Nintendo [TS]

  switch so much like it's my favorite [TS]

  gaming console of all time because it is [TS]

  the dream console for me it is the [TS]

  console that I can play the same games [TS]

  no matter wherever I am and the games [TS]

  are just getting better and better and [TS]

  we're going to talk about those in a [TS]

  minute that it's getting better and [TS]

  better and I am a big fan of the Amazon [TS]

  echo and we just added another device to [TS]

  our house so we have three Amazon echoes [TS]

  now so we have [TS]

  home coverage and both me and Adina are [TS]

  doing more and more with it and we're [TS]

  really happy with it and I kind of [TS]

  realized at that moment that I am very [TS]

  happy with the technology that I have in [TS]

  my life right now I don't feel like I [TS]

  have any major gripes I don't feel like [TS]

  I have any areas that are not being [TS]

  fulfilled you know like I know that lots [TS]

  of people are unhappy with their max but [TS]

  I have an iMac and my iMac is more than [TS]

  I need for what I do like it's so [TS]

  powerful I had the 5k iMac and that [TS]

  thing is perfect for my usage like I [TS]

  feel like my technology needs are being [TS]

  met and exceeded now where the companies [TS]

  that I use and I'm really happy about [TS]

  that that's it's good to point that out [TS]

  because of course on a podcast it is [TS]

  always easier and more fun to complain [TS]

  about things now I decided that this [TS]

  year for me was the year of optimism [TS]

  positivity in the things that I talked [TS]

  about because I noticed that last year I [TS]

  wasn't having as much fun talking about [TS]

  technology as I had had in previous [TS]

  years because admittedly there were a [TS]

  lot of things if you were in the Apple [TS]

  camp which were just boring and annoying [TS]

  right like a lot of the stuff that they [TS]

  was doing I think was falling into one [TS]

  of those two camps yeah yeah we [TS]

  definitely went through a bit of a [TS]

  valley of darkness and then at WWDC this [TS]

  year they gave me everything I wanted [TS]

  from a software perspective so I decided [TS]

  that for the year of because I thought I [TS]

  believe that like Apple's year start and [TS]

  ends WIBC so it's like they have their [TS]

  own start and end to the year oh yeah of [TS]

  course [TS]

  just like schools exactly and so [TS]

  considering how happy I was with that I [TS]

  decided that I was going to be more [TS]

  optimistic and appreciate the things [TS]

  that I like and Apple has been very good [TS]

  to me in that everything all of the [TS]

  stuff that they've done since WWDC has [TS]

  been great and that was my belief that [TS]

  was my hope that they were in it last [TS]

  year was like a rebuilding year and they [TS]

  made some changes and that we'd [TS]

  hopefully see the fruits of that [TS]

  starting now and I think that for me I'm [TS]

  seeing that and I know that there are [TS]

  some people that are frustrated about [TS]

  like the laptops and stuff like that but [TS]

  I don't care because I don't use the [TS]

  laptop that much so in my year of [TS]

  optimism I have been [TS]

  granted with cool great technology it's [TS]

  brilliant essentially you say that [TS]

  because yeah like I I agree with the [TS]

  general case and it's it's similar for [TS]

  me like I'm very happy to have the [TS]

  different sized iPhone that I've gone [TS]

  from like unhappiness about it to this [TS]

  cautious optimism that I guess I do have [TS]

  a size that is physically much nicer for [TS]

  me I do love the new version of the [TS]

  Apple watch and I don't think we really [TS]

  talked about it very much on the show [TS]

  but they did make it faster which font [TS]

  which which makes it now feel like oh [TS]

  this is a real thing like it's is really [TS]

  interesting like maybe the interactions [TS]

  and the notifications and things pop up [TS]

  only 20% faster in reality but they've [TS]

  crossed some threshold that makes it [TS]

  feel like it's twice as fast yeah it's [TS]

  crossed the threshold to feel like a [TS]

  risk computer for me yeah like it's [TS]

  actually doing stuff on its own in a [TS]

  responsive way like it feels and the LTE [TS]

  connection definitely helps with this in [TS]

  my mind because I less and less get hit [TS]

  with like can't do it [TS]

  mm-hmm so like you know and there's [TS]

  still a bunch of apps that need to [TS]

  support the complete independence that [TS]

  the LTE chip gives it but on the whole I [TS]

  feel like the devices crossed the [TS]

  threshold into becoming its own little [TS]

  thing yeah that's exactly what it is [TS]

  you're right there by saying it it now [TS]

  really feels like it's it's living up to [TS]

  the promise of being a wrist computer [TS]

  and it feels much much less like you're [TS]

  on the moon calling back to Houston and [TS]

  seeing you know hey we're there any text [TS]

  messages or and then six light seconds [TS]

  later you get a reply or like you know [TS]

  Siri would be like I'll tap you when I'm [TS]

  ready that kind of thing which I know [TS]

  you hate right it's just so frustrating [TS]

  I feel like I get less of those types of [TS]

  things where like the watch is off doing [TS]

  its thing and it will get to my request [TS]

  when it's ready mmm I do have I do have [TS]

  a little bit of an asterisk to this but [TS]

  it's still I'm realizing just as I'm [TS]

  thinking about this topic that it still [TS]

  leads to a same thing like I feel like [TS]

  I'm I'm pretty happy with the state of [TS]

  Technology now and so my asterisk is [TS]

  I still haven't found the iOS 11 [TS]

  transition with the iPads or one that [TS]

  I've really enjoyed and as I mentioned [TS]

  earlier in the show the iPhone isn't [TS]

  helping that and I've noticed myself [TS]

  kind of pushed away a little bit from [TS]

  the iPad because of it just just finding [TS]

  some of the things to do a little bit [TS]

  awkward and through a series of just [TS]

  like happenstance in in the kinds of [TS]

  projects that I'm working on right now [TS]

  and and some of the things with the way [TS]

  my office just happened to go get set up [TS]

  I didn't actually set up my new office [TS]

  in the glass cube with the iPad like the [TS]

  old one was I ended up setting up my new [TS]

  office using a laptop and external [TS]

  monitors uh-oh I'm very disappointed in [TS]

  you no no what are you doing part of the [TS]

  reason that I did that is I'm using a [TS]

  ton of stuff on Final Cut in the past [TS]

  few months and upcoming months so it's [TS]

  like I have to have a computer for that [TS]

  okay I'll accept that let that's final [TS]

  cut on the iPad says but like this is [TS]

  part of the thing that which is like [TS]

  happenstance actually to give you a [TS]

  sense of the final cut stuff if I open [TS]

  up my computer here and I take a look I [TS]

  have a have a folder with a final cut [TS]

  project in it that is currently sitting [TS]

  at 12 terabytes in size only moly okay [TS]

  no no iOS device is helping you with [TS]

  that project so even if I could smoosh [TS]

  it down into an iMovie project I don't [TS]

  think they sell any case sell an iPad [TS]

  with a 12 terabyte drive in it yet but I [TS]

  just but I just want to mention this [TS]

  because I've just found myself over the [TS]

  last little while suddenly with a [TS]

  dramatic increase in Mac usage versus [TS]

  iPad usage and as someone who has been [TS]

  living the multipad lifestyle for the [TS]

  past several years going back to the Mac [TS]

  for a lot of stuff it's interesting but [TS]

  like I actually feel really pleased with [TS]

  the whole [TS]

  situation like having to work on on my [TS]

  Mac for long stretches of time [TS]

  Mac for long stretches of time [TS]

  I know people complain about the Mac but [TS]

  I feel like it's a really solid [TS]

  production machine which is exactly what [TS]

  I need out of it like I'm sitting down [TS]

  to do specific tasks and I'm just aware [TS]

  that it's working really well for me and [TS]

  it's and so even though I'm in a bit of [TS]

  a different situation here I like I'm [TS]

  finding the same thing like I'm pretty [TS]

  happy with my tech setup as it is right [TS]

  now like I said don't worry Mike I don't [TS]

  agree with that right like the [TS]

  production I mean I've always said like [TS]

  the production the shows you know that [TS]

  they are occurring on the Mac and I have [TS]

  no desire to change that like there's [TS]

  that shouldn't have been really any [TS]

  different for you from where it was [TS]

  before because you weren't making videos [TS]

  on your iOS devices [TS]

  I just want to make sure that you're not [TS]

  abandoning the predominant iPads work [TS]

  lifestyle is very importantly you don't [TS]

  leave the cause why is it very important [TS]

  that I don't leave that why I'm like it [TS]

  caused in your ideological Norris buzz [TS]

  if you move away all of those Mac people [TS]

  are gonna be like see we told you we got [TS]

  one back right I can't take that well [TS]

  okay well I'm not I'm not involved in [TS]

  your ideological differences here I'm [TS]

  just I'm just simply saying in the past [TS]

  I'm gonna say two or three months the [TS]

  vast majority of my working has been on [TS]

  a Mac now there's an asterisk to that [TS]

  which is essentially all of the writing [TS]

  still takes place on an iPad like I [TS]

  haven't I have an iPad in my office and [TS]

  I use that for all the writing but [TS]

  almost everything else is happening on a [TS]

  Mac and I'm just I'm just very happy [TS]

  with it including administration [TS]

  yeah I've ended up just doing [TS]

  administration stuff seemed like I was [TS]

  just trying to tell a little story about [TS]

  how I'm happy with my technology setup [TS]

  that's a night you've made me unhappy [TS]

  yeah but you can't get attached to your [TS]

  tools you are not your tools Mike you [TS]

  have to use whatever works great I have [TS]

  a very perplexed that iOS 11 has driven [TS]

  you away I'm seeing that there is a [TS]

  trend of some individuals that this is [TS]

  occurring too [TS]

  and it seems very peculiar to me because [TS]

  from my perspective iOS 11 is vastly [TS]

  superior to iOS 10 in almost every way [TS]

  there are just things that I've gotten [TS]

  used to and you just have to get used to [TS]

  some interactions changing but the [TS]

  overall flexibility of the operating [TS]

  system has increased multiples in [TS]

  multiples don't get me wrong [TS]

  I agree iOS 11 is the correct direction [TS]

  for the operating system to go I'm just [TS]

  simply like I mentioned before I find it [TS]

  more frustrating on my on the iPad that [TS]

  I use for administration where I'm used [TS]

  moving around a bunch of stuff and like [TS]

  I was just aware of of finding a little [TS]

  bit of mental resistance to doing a lot [TS]

  of that stuff on the iPad and so it [TS]

  wasn't through any kind of intention but [TS]

  I just found myself drifting back [TS]

  towards using the Mac for it's like oh I [TS]

  have a spreadsheet in an email and I'm [TS]

  replying to someone in slack about a [TS]

  thing and so that's why when I set up my [TS]

  office I decided like I'm just gonna go [TS]

  I'm gonna roll with this and I'm gonna [TS]

  use this is like command center Mac but [TS]

  the iPad that I do the writing on where [TS]

  I have I find stable pairs of apps like [TS]

  that I still prefer to use the iPad 4 [TS]

  and I still do use the iPad 4 that but [TS]

  I'm just I'm just finding that I'm using [TS]

  the Mac for the the Mac has taken back a [TS]

  lot of the work that I used to do on an [TS]

  iPad several months ago and I'm totally [TS]

  fine with that because I'm totally [TS]

  agnostic Mike you should be too elastic [TS]

  too as well I did I was I was not [TS]

  expecting this reaction at all I'm very [TS]

  sorry Mike [TS]

  you see my heart I'm not hurt but it's [TS]

  just like a it's a frustration because I [TS]

  feel like you know we were there at the [TS]

  forefront of trying to yeah of talking [TS]

  about iOS and iPads as productivity [TS]

  tools mmm and you taking a step back [TS]

  from that you know that's that's that's [TS]

  this is gonna start to weaken the [TS]

  argument for the multi pad lifestyle [TS]

  Multi multi pad lifestyle is a is a [TS]

  thing that exists [TS]

  in the world independent of us Mike it [TS]

  doesn't know doesn't need proponents it [TS]

  makes perfect sense I'm just I'm simply [TS]

  describing my own situation in my own [TS]

  working tools here we don't need to be [TS]

  figureheads that's not the way this [TS]

  works yeah but you see the thing is I [TS]

  can I already know how Mike if that I [TS]

  know in the same way that when I was [TS]

  talking about my laundry I was getting [TS]

  specific messages and I know I knew [TS]

  where people were in that episode at [TS]

  that point there is going to be a period [TS]

  of time in which I am going to start [TS]

  getting messages from people I will know [TS]

  where they were in that in that moment [TS]

  of this episode and I look forward to [TS]

  the point where in the future you turn [TS]

  around and go like what was wrong with [TS]

  me what was I doing you know I was in a [TS]

  haze I was in a Mack haze and I'm back [TS]

  120 percent to living the iPad lifestyle [TS]

  I'll just wait for that moment and I'll [TS]

  look forward to then okay when you're [TS]

  done making all the videos that I'm sure [TS]

  you're making right now [TS]

  well again I'm tool agnostic so I'm very [TS]

  happy to switch back when it makes sense [TS]

  to switch back I'm just simply saying [TS]

  for a certain like Gnostic this is a new [TS]

  phrase you're throwing around today [TS]

  where did all this come from [TS]

  well because I'm trying to explain I'm [TS]

  trying to explain the situation in in a [TS]

  way that you who is a tool [TS]

  fundamentalists I don't want to be paint [TS]

  it as as anything specific mail by you [TS]

  because you start saying these things [TS]

  and then everybody goes along with it [TS]

  because I've always said like my Mac has [TS]

  my as its place as the important center [TS]

  of my production but in everything else [TS]

  that I do if my business is done on iOS [TS]

  now I don't consider that as being like [TS]

  agnostic to tools but like appreciating [TS]

  tools for their function right like it's [TS]

  a slightly different thing but like you [TS]

  stop calling me a fundamentalist or [TS]

  whatever and this is gonna be a thing [TS]

  that people start to call me and then I [TS]

  don't want that I mean yeah no I'm not [TS]

  saying people should call Mike and iPad [TS]

  fundamentalist that's that's ridiculous [TS]

  crazy right that's not a thing that you [TS]

  should do you wouldn't want to tar and [TS]

  feather him with [TS]

  the word like that I would be above [TS]

  encouraging people to do something like [TS]

  that because I'm just floating here on [TS]

  this ethereal realm and picking whatever [TS]

  tools happen to work for me at any [TS]

  particular moment and right now for [TS]

  certain kinds of tasks I find myself [TS]

  using my Mac to do those tasks but in [TS]

  the future I may reach down and and use [TS]

  iPads again to use those tasks it just [TS]

  depends on on what is best at a [TS]

  particular time I was making my lemsip [TS]

  and I opened the Google Doc and I typed [TS]

  in some bullet points for a really happy [TS]

  topic which was then gonna take me into [TS]

  talking to you about video games this [TS]

  wasn't how this was supposed to go I [TS]

  feel I feel bad to like like I wasn't [TS]

  expecting this reaction from you I [TS]

  thought we were I thought we were both [TS]

  going to have a nice conversation about [TS]

  how we're we're very happy I'm very busy [TS]

  that you're very happy I was simply [TS]

  going to just mention this interesting [TS]

  thing that I have noted in it in a [TS]

  change in my own in my own behavior [TS]

  here's the thing raise the thing right [TS]

  so this is the difference between cortex [TS]

  lunch and real lunch okay so in real [TS]

  lunch I would be like oh that's that's [TS]

  really interesting because it's really [TS]

  interesting but in cortex lunch I now [TS]

  know what happens afterwards which is [TS]

  when everybody else hears the [TS]

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  about video games Mike so a few weeks [TS]

  ago I told you to play study valley and [TS]

  you told me you would play stardew [TS]

  valley stardew valley is this like RPG [TS]

  type farming simulator type Sims type [TS]

  Harvest Moon type Animal Crossing game [TS]

  is all of those things mixed into one is [TS]

  starting valley it's been available for [TS]

  a long time on the PC and it came out on [TS]

  the switch like a month or so ago and I [TS]

  asked you to play and I want to know if [TS]

  you've played and what you think [TS]

  ideally I have played stardew valley [TS]

  okay I don't think I want to know [TS]

  anymore this is not your day Mike but [TS]

  let me tell you I didn't like stardew [TS]

  valley I didn't like stardew valley a [TS]

  lot was I promised myself I promised [TS]

  myself I was going to make it through [TS]

  one year in stardew oh man I really gave [TS]

  it the college try to yeah because it's [TS]

  because because with many games it can [TS]

  often be the case where you have some [TS]

  kind of learning curve or and it just [TS]

  takes you a while to settle into a [TS]

  rhythm and I definitely know that's the [TS]

  case with many kind of games that I play [TS]

  that it can take it can take a while [TS]

  there's a lot to learn but but a year in [TS]

  stardew valley as far as I can tell is [TS]

  like an infinity of subjective [TS]

  experience of just tilling the ground [TS]

  and pulling the turnips out like some [TS]

  kind of peasant it's there a couple of [TS]

  things I need to ask you though right so [TS]

  I can try and assess how much of a [TS]

  accurate try you gave this game did you [TS]

  build sprinklers I built sprinklers do [TS]

  you have the Long Knives [TS]

  and yes I had chickens already tipped [TS]

  you over the edge yeah that would have [TS]

  gotten me playing faster I was very [TS]

  excited about the beehives beehives by [TS]

  the way had one of the best mechanics [TS]

  which is they shut the hell up and [TS]

  produce honey for me [TS]

  great I don't need I don't need to be I [TS]

  don't need to be like with these [TS]

  chickens going into the barn every day [TS]

  and hand pulling out strands of hay to [TS]

  give to these stupid chickens so that [TS]

  they'll keep laying eggs for me it's [TS]

  bees they know what the deal is like you [TS]

  make honey that's your job if you keep [TS]

  upgrading your coops they start to be [TS]

  self-feeding [TS]

  yeah only the only the final coop is is [TS]

  self eating I'm aware of this but it's [TS]

  like I was I was rushing towards that [TS]

  final coop as fast as I can but it's [TS]

  like stuff takes a long time in starting [TS]

  Valley I'm very upset about this I [TS]

  really hope that you would like this [TS]

  game so I can see [TS]

  here's the thing I can see why people [TS]

  would think that I would like this game [TS]

  because I often say that I like work [TS]

  simulators and boy boy is this game work [TS]

  it's work on very many different levels [TS]

  but whatever [TS]

  what I realized playing this game is [TS]

  that all of the things that I think of [TS]

  as as work simulators there's a key [TS]

  thing that I never really recognized [TS]

  which is some some level of management [TS]

  where's like I'm not I'm not necessarily [TS]

  doing the work directly like I'm I am [TS]

  managing characters in the games that [TS]

  are doing the work form late you're not [TS]

  morning the truck driving though are you [TS]

  you are driving the truck okay but so [TS]

  truck simulator truck simulator is an [TS]

  interesting case but even it has a tiny [TS]

  bit of this which is that you have [TS]

  employees who very quickly can start [TS]

  earning more money than you're making on [TS]

  your actual routes like that there is a [TS]

  level of other people are making yet but [TS]

  you still drive the trucks they like you [TS]

  know they're just sitting in an office [TS]

  waiting for people to come back yeah so [TS]

  trucks like truck simulator is is the [TS]

  closest thing that to like what is an [TS]

  actual work simulator because you are [TS]

  doing the job although again like truck [TS]

  simulator to me falls into the category [TS]

  of barely a game but stardew valley is [TS]

  what's just struck me to me as the worst [TS]

  of this kind of thing because it's it's [TS]

  work and it's tedious like you have to [TS]

  plow the little fields you have to plant [TS]

  each of the seeds one by one like you [TS]

  need to then pull these turnips out of [TS]

  the ground one by one and then you need [TS]

  to drop each of them into the box over [TS]

  there okay so and I think that you don't [TS]

  get the feeling of like calm but people [TS]

  get from these types of games so like [TS]

  what you're describing this like one by [TS]

  one you're like you are describing it as [TS]

  like a monotonous repetitive activity [TS]

  that you don't enjoy but what I get from [TS]

  this game and everyone that I know that [TS]

  likes this game gets from this game with [TS]

  the farming aspect [TS]

  is a this is nice and simple and easy [TS]

  and like relaxing like that's kind of [TS]

  how I feel when I'm playing the game but [TS]

  if you don't get that kind of feeling [TS]

  from these types of games then you're [TS]

  not gonna enjoy the farming aspect of [TS]

  this game yeah this game is very much [TS]

  like tilling a garden right that's a [TS]

  thing your eyes are going like joy oh [TS]

  you're not going to enjoy yeah I kind of [TS]

  just feel a kind of just I'm playing [TS]

  this game and I can listen to podcasts [TS]

  and just relax and just keep playing it [TS]

  and if I want to go and do a thing I can [TS]

  do a thing but really all I need to do [TS]

  is just make sure that I'm kind of just [TS]

  looking after my farm right yeah I [TS]

  totally get that and and this is you [TS]

  know do you bring up truck simulator [TS]

  it's it's the exact same argument [TS]

  they're like if you don't have a sense [TS]

  of mindless Zen driving truck simulator [TS]

  truck simulator is not for you and it [TS]

  looks like it's insanity right and I [TS]

  guess the difference between like staad [TS]

  you and truck simulators like truck [TS]

  simulator is just like movement without [TS]

  really doing much you're just adjusting [TS]

  every now and then whilst the type of [TS]

  feeling for Star you is the Zen in the [TS]

  repetitiveness where there's not really [TS]

  a lot repetitiveness in truck simulator [TS]

  yeah like if we're getting to like down [TS]

  and dirty into the mechanics that's [TS]

  that's exactly what this is it's like [TS]

  how does a game hold your attention and [TS]

  stardew valley is like the active [TS]

  version of a truck simulator it holds [TS]

  your attention by asking you to do these [TS]

  repetitive tasks over and over again and [TS]

  I can totally see how this zones someone [TS]

  into a particular state right whereas [TS]

  truck simulator is like attention [TS]

  without action like it's a much more [TS]

  empty experience which is why I totally [TS]

  get when some people think it's it's [TS]

  like insanity [TS]

  that someone could play it because [TS]

  you're not doing anything and I feel [TS]

  like my brain is much more rewarded by [TS]

  that experience like the empty attention [TS]

  of nothing is happening versus you have [TS]

  to pay attention to this thing and [TS]

  repeat the same action over and over [TS]

  like that there is something hardwired [TS]

  in my brain that just hates the [TS]

  repetitive action like really deeply [TS]

  hates the repetitive action so stardew [TS]

  valley was was not was not for me what [TS]

  now again I don't understand why are you [TS]

  so invested in me liking stardew valley [TS]

  like I find that kind of funny there's a [TS]

  couple of things one I love this game [TS]

  mmm and I was convinced you would like [TS]

  it because it has a lot of elements that [TS]

  I know you enjoy but I think the [TS]

  implementation is different and there's [TS]

  like a novel part of it like there is a [TS]

  multiplayer version of this game coming [TS]

  with it seems like it's a very hands-off [TS]

  multiplayer where like you and some [TS]

  friends to share a farm right and I [TS]

  thought it might be just a fun game we [TS]

  could play you know we could be friends [TS]

  sharing the farm together I like playing [TS]

  games with my friends but this is like a [TS]

  multiplayer game where we don't need to [TS]

  necessarily be actively playing I think [TS]

  it's the way it works like together so [TS]

  we can kind of be a bit hands off me [TS]

  it's my understanding of how it works I [TS]

  could I don't understand the complete [TS]

  mechanic checks it's not available I'm [TS]

  just frustrated about this because I was [TS]

  I was sure that I'd found a game you [TS]

  might like I will say though the more [TS]

  time I put into it the less convinced [TS]

  that was of this no you had to draw it a [TS]

  growing sense of because because after [TS]

  you do a lot of like the automation that [TS]

  you would do for a farm so like you're [TS]

  there there are things as the game goes [TS]

  on where you were able well basically [TS]

  all you're doing is is harvesting the [TS]

  crops eventually right Ryker's all the [TS]

  animals get fed themselves all the [TS]

  plants get watered themselves right like [TS]

  it's that becomes way more hands-off [TS]

  yeah and the part of the reason for this [TS]

  is because then you can start to explore [TS]

  a lot of the relationship focused [TS]

  aspects of the game which I figured you [TS]

  would have absolutely zero interest in [TS]

  oh my god yeah yeah I got way less [TS]

  convinced about your ability to enjoy [TS]

  this game yeah it was funny because I [TS]

  could I could feel I could feel stardew [TS]

  nudging me into hey do you want to play [TS]

  social obligations the game [TS]

  no I don't he's not gonna like it he's [TS]

  not gonna like it and yeah but it's like [TS]

  there's all these funny things there's [TS]

  like I see what you're doing game I see [TS]

  what you're trying like I'm just trying [TS]

  to head off to this corner of this cave [TS]

  so I can find some skeletons and collect [TS]

  some copper so I can get these goddamn [TS]

  sprinklers built way faster I thought [TS]

  that was like my number one activity [TS]

  it's like how do I convert nature into [TS]

  sprinkle I spent an entire winter in the [TS]

  mines getting like I had sprinklers by [TS]

  summer everything is dedicated to [TS]

  getting sprinklers because if I have to [TS]

  water one more sunflower I'm gonna kill [TS]

  everybody who you can upgrade your [TS]

  watering can to copper like no I'm not [TS]

  interested in this there will be no [TS]

  watering cans but so I can see the [TS]

  things were the villagers were you know [TS]

  they're like dropping hints about gifts [TS]

  they want a like I'd have no interested [TS]

  in is whatsoever or I accidentally gave [TS]

  someone a present and they complained [TS]

  about it and I'm like oh god I hate this [TS]

  so much I don't even know how I gave you [TS]

  this thing I didn't want you and now [TS]

  you're complaining it you're complaining [TS]

  to me about this gift like you NPC like [TS]

  just get out of my way I'm trying to [TS]

  move right pasture here but like that [TS]

  that said I do have to give I do to give [TS]

  stardew valley two huge points point [TS]

  number one is the the visual style of it [TS]

  the pixel art the pixel art is just [TS]

  gorgeous and and breathtaking it's maybe [TS]

  one of the best retro pixel art [TS]

  implementations I've ever seen in a game [TS]

  that's a style that lots of games [TS]

  imitate I think because it's probably [TS]

  easier to do or cheaper or faster to do [TS]

  in some ways but it's also really easy [TS]

  to make look like garbage and stardew [TS]

  valley just looks gorgeous from start to [TS]

  finish every part of the little village [TS]

  the caves the monsters like all of the [TS]

  crops the animals [TS]

  I absolutely just loved the look of it [TS]

  you know seven out of five stars in [TS]

  terms of graphics is amazing and then [TS]

  the second thing which I again big [TS]

  points to stardew valley it was and [TS]

  we're gonna get into some minor spoiler [TS]

  territory here if anyone wants to play [TS]

  stardew valley but that opening the like [TS]

  the way the game actually is yeah starts [TS]

  yeah i love is like wow I have watched [TS]

  movies that have gotten less of an [TS]

  emotional reaction out I wasn't [TS]

  expecting that at all [TS]

  yeah then the opening of this game so [TS]

  like it so it's like you think like I'm [TS]

  gonna go play some farming simulator but [TS]

  it starts out like with this really grim [TS]

  shot of you just in this cubicle and [TS]

  they they just established so quickly [TS]

  this feeling of like this is not really [TS]

  what you thought your life was going to [TS]

  be and you're just in this cube and it's [TS]

  gray and grim as like it's it just like [TS]

  man it was pitch perfect and I thought [TS]

  what it was just a good example of art [TS]

  evoking emotion in people so like that I [TS]

  thought that that opening was brilliant [TS]

  was really really well done did you know [TS]

  this game was made by one person a [TS]

  hundred percent of it the music the [TS]

  right age the development and they are [TS]

  all one person [TS]

  now this the developers name was [TS]

  concerned Ape is the company what it's [TS]

  the one person it's now being published [TS]

  by a company called chuckle fish who [TS]

  helping with a lot of the advancement [TS]

  and the ports of the game and stuff like [TS]

  that but study valley was made by just [TS]

  one guy I think it's nine years I'm not [TS]

  surprised [TS]

  like it's an incredible tour de force to [TS]

  do that [TS]

  I keep even though the caves not to my [TS]

  liking obviously that this is this is [TS]

  like I wouldn't have believed that a [TS]

  single person can do this like this it's [TS]

  it's astounding [TS]

  like that combination to be able to do [TS]

  the art that well and the like in the [TS]

  music is great too and also have the [TS]

  programming skills to be able to [TS]

  implement it [TS]

  I feel like that is a is a rare [TS]

  combination yep and I the game seems [TS]

  like it's very successful today and yeah [TS]

  I hope that person is just rolling [TS]

  around in piles of money from this game [TS]

  because they deserve it they totally [TS]

  deserve it that's astounding [TS]

  look luckily I have other friends that [TS]

  play the game when we play and we talk [TS]

  about it together so I was thinking you [TS]

  might be the only person that I know [TS]

  that would care about stardew valley [TS]

  mm-hmm but I was wrong so I'm happy yeah [TS]

  well you recorded an episode of top 4 [TS]

  yeah we're discussing the singles that [TS]

  start event yeah that right yeah me and [TS]

  the and tiffin Marco Ammon and Alex [TS]

  corpse we rated our favorite for singles [TS]

  our top four singles single people in [TS]

  study valley so people can go listen to [TS]

  that and we talked a lot about our love [TS]

  of the game so like you know if if [TS]

  you're here and you're either a interest [TS]

  it'll be sad about the fact that crazy [TS]

  also doesn't like it you can listen to [TS]

  that episode and you can hear us talk [TS]

  about our love of the game in great [TS]

  detail it was worth ago I'm gonna keep [TS]

  trying until I can recommend the game to [TS]

  you that you enjoy it I'm gonna keep [TS]

  going I don't think I've been able to do [TS]

  it yet but one day I'm gonna get there [TS]

  yeah to be fair I'm a hard person to [TS]

  recommend games for I've recognized this [TS]

  yes like oh I've definitely found the [TS]

  game you like nope but but nonetheless I [TS]

  do want to re-emphasize I am glad to [TS]

  have tried it it's not a game for me but [TS]

  it's a like as someone who plays a lot [TS]

  of games this is just an interesting [TS]

  game to have at least tried and have a [TS]

  mental framework for for something [TS]

  that's that's very different and and I'd [TS]

  like I did enjoy the opening and the the [TS]

  art is just gorgeous it's absolutely [TS]

  gorgeous so I love it for that but I [TS]

  will uh I will not be starting again in [TS]

  the spring to manually dig out some new [TS]

  crops and plants I think the thing I'm [TS]

  most frustrated about is the fact that [TS]

  you actually played it for an entire [TS]

  year [TS]

  I was thinking like if you didn't like [TS]

  it at least you've just maybe played [TS]

  like five days and was like nope and I [TS]

  could be like oh you didn't give it [TS]

  enough time but after a year playing the [TS]

  game for an in-game year if you don't [TS]

  like that I can't imagine that you would [TS]

  like it so yeah yeah and the in-game the [TS]

  in-game time is a long time like yeah I [TS]

  don't know how many hours it is but a [TS]

  year is a long time in terms of actual [TS]

  hours it's enough time to know a year [TS]

  it's enough time for sure [TS]