Roderick on the Line

Ep. 262: "He Never Swore"


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  Ferro hi John [TS]

  hi Merlin how's it going everything's [TS]

  great [TS]

  it's so great everything's fine [TS]

  remain calm all as well I got my bacon [TS]

  number today oh you're making them no [TS]

  this is boring stuff but I've struggled [TS]

  I struggle with my computer machine Oh [TS]

  your computer yeah you know I have a [TS]

  computer here yeah is that right yeah [TS]

  but I I felt like I needed another one [TS]

  oh now I'm he's got my attention and so [TS]

  I was like I've got the laptop which [TS]

  already has more computing power than [TS]

  all the computers that sent us to the [TS]

  moon and I'll never use it I'll never [TS]

  use any of that competing power I've [TS]

  always felt with the computers that I [TS]

  look at it it's you know it's this world [TS]

  of potential that I'll never exploit I'm [TS]

  just I'm just using word star but I got [TS]

  this laptop and I didn't want it just [TS]

  felt like it was a it was the special [TS]

  box that I had the special things in but [TS]

  I mean it like a big box that I put [TS]

  other stuff in whoa and I wanted it to [TS]

  be you know like that one that I used to [TS]

  have that everybody laughed at me from [TS]

  2005 it was a big box it had stuff in it [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  so I was over at my friend Jason Finn [TS]

  the drummer of the presidents the United [TS]

  States of America's house and he had [TS]

  this uh this Apple sitting there and I [TS]

  said what are you doing with that he's [TS]

  like oh you know cleaning up getting it [TS]

  out of here he said I've got a laptop so [TS]

  I don't need that anymore and I was like [TS]

  hmm he said oh okay for a steak dinner [TS]

  interesting so just sitting there doing [TS]

  nothing for him it's just sitting there [TS]

  doing nothing and he said it'll probably [TS]

  take one more upgrade like it'll [TS]

  probably it's not brand new [TS]

  right but it's still useful for the for [TS]

  the big box that I need that I feel like [TS]

  it need tabletop box so he said doesn't [TS]

  have a keyboard or anything you're gonna [TS]

  have to do that yourself [TS]

  and you know you taught me to buy those [TS]

  solar-powered keyboards so I went I went [TS]

  on to the online and I got one of those [TS]

  sent to me and I went downtown to the [TS]

  fancy coz Jason's like I don't know it's [TS]

  got to be a good steak dinner went down [TS]

  to the fancy steak house at lunch I walk [TS]

  in he's sitting there with this computer [TS]

  on the table like like some real suave [TS]

  guys doing slick handoff but in the [TS]

  interim I remembered that I had found a [TS]

  little bag that I had been meaning to [TS]

  give to Jason which was a special bag [TS]

  and I know how you feel about special [TS]

  bags you know how I feel about special [TS]

  Jason Jason feels this way too this was [TS]

  a bag many many many years ago KEXP our [TS]

  local alternative radio station gave [TS]

  away a messenger bag as a bonus if you [TS]

  donated some big amount of money okay [TS]

  you got this messenger bag and we all [TS]

  got them all the rock musicians at the [TS]

  time got these bags they were bright [TS]

  orange they said KEXP on them some [TS]

  people really and you know it was big [TS]

  enough to put a put a stack of 12-inch [TS]

  records in it this is like a Timbuktu [TS]

  bag nope no it was just it's actually I [TS]

  mean in my personal opinion kind of look [TS]

  it has zero features it's just like a [TS]

  it's just a bag made out of you know bag [TS]

  made out bag that's KEXP honors bright [TS]

  orange a lot of people took these bags [TS]

  as their kind of signature at the time [TS]

  Nabeel our drummer had one I had a [TS]

  couple of them you know it's the bag you [TS]

  throw some stuff in but it never didn't [TS]

  it didn't mean that much emotionally to [TS]

  me so I was going through I was going [TS]

  through bags the other about a month ago [TS]

  and I opened up a bag BIGBANG it was [TS]

  full of bags like dougie and I was like [TS]

  oh look at this look at that I pulled [TS]

  out a pulled out a bag out of there [TS]

  opened it up it had bags and and inside [TS]

  that bag was one of these orange KEXP [TS]

  bags that I hadn't seen in a long time [TS]

  it was in perfect condition [TS]

  Jason was one of these people that had [TS]

  that KEXP bag and he took it everywhere [TS]

  he wore his into the ground he wore out [TS]

  he wore out this bag sounds keep really [TS]

  bonded with the bag he the bag meant so [TS]

  much to him and after he'd blown out [TS]

  this bag he actually you know he made a [TS]

  kind of stink about it around town like [TS]

  he went to KEXP he said why don't you [TS]

  guys make this bag again and they were [TS]

  like that's from ten years ago and he [TS]

  said I know but it's the best like could [TS]

  you make this bag just like make just a [TS]

  landfill at a special level nobody would [TS]

  accommodate him and I knew he was [TS]

  brokenhearted that he they couldn't [TS]

  replace this bag so I'm down there and [TS]

  I'm like surprised I brought you the [TS]

  like unobtainium bag hmm [TS]

  oh he gets all teary-eyed he hugs it to [TS]

  himself like you know like a like his [TS]

  childhood teddy bear but now we're in [TS]

  this uncomfortable position where I've [TS]

  given him something worth a lot more to [TS]

  him than this dump computer he's giving [TS]

  me and yet I'm still on the hook for [TS]

  buying him mistake and this is a topic [TS]

  that has not been broached overtly no he [TS]

  still thinks there's mistake coming well [TS]

  cuz I'm mr. surprise person right um mr. [TS]

  surprise person you brought me a cello I [TS]

  brought you a cello yeah I like [TS]

  surprised I didn't ask for it [TS]

  I'd like to say surprise hey I I was [TS]

  thinking of you I got you this thing I [TS]

  found this thing is what often happens I [TS]

  found this thing I thought of you [TS]

  surprised and Jason Jason you know like [TS]

  I say like you tear in his eye but he's [TS]

  also a stickler for the deal [TS]

  a stickler for the deal we come adjacent [TS]

  fin by just letting it slide he's heat [TS]

  like you he is dealt with the guy in the [TS]

  back room smoke on cigar and peeling off [TS]

  the hundred dollar bills yes he knows [TS]

  where he speaks he knows this whole like [TS]

  oh you're negotiating the record [TS]

  contract well we're giving you a 100 [TS]

  percent control over the artwork in [TS]

  exchange for ninety four percent of the [TS]

  creative output Jason loves a lot of [TS]

  people's favorite part really listen we [TS]

  negotiated hard for this one hundred [TS]

  percent control over the artwork and the [TS]

  labels like fine kid Jason knows [TS]

  so Jason sits down with his brand-new [TS]

  bag [TS]

  it's tear-stained bag tucks his napkin [TS]

  into his shirt orders a $65 steak oh [TS]

  that's a nice steak what was a nice [TS]

  steak I have to say so good steak there [TS]

  it's a good steak place not to be undone [TS]

  of course I ordered it [TS]

  $72 take myself you not meet a stone so [TS]

  you know long story short I end up [TS]

  footing the bill for for not a no small [TS]

  amount of lunch I got this computer the [TS]

  bag is gone the bag was not that was no [TS]

  undue burden on me right I that's not [TS]

  like I tearfully parted with the bag I [TS]

  found that bag in a bag in a bag yeah [TS]

  that's the complexity is you both were [TS]

  in some way proffer of current super [TS]

  value to yourself he was not using his [TS]

  desktop computer machine and you were [TS]

  right using the bag in a bag in a bag [TS]

  right okay but now that we can all agree [TS]

  on steak we can all agree that steak is [TS]

  a is a medium of exchange but so anyway [TS]

  now I have this computer this big [TS]

  computer and now it is sitting here on [TS]

  the table but I haven't plugged it in [TS]

  yet so I'm doing this show on my laptop [TS]

  all good okay but it's here I'm looking [TS]

  at it it looks like it looks like an [TS]

  apple doesn't have a Big Apple on the [TS]

  front does and one on the back [TS]

  back it's me it's big it's got its [TS]

  silver it's um it's on a kind of stand [TS]

  that looks like a paperclip [TS]

  sulle you might have what's called an [TS]

  iMac an iMac mm-hmm I think I do if I [TS]

  had my druthers it's what I would be [TS]

  recording on right now is that right yes [TS]

  and circumstances I would be speaking to [TS]

  you on my iMac what are you speaking to [TS]

  me on right now a MacBook which is in [TS]

  the parlance today in my circles [TS]

  sometimes called the MacBook adorable [TS]

  it's very very small and cute and mostly [TS]

  useless unless your iMac is not working [TS]

  and then you plug it in with mini mini [TS]

  dongles and you talk to your friend on [TS]

  the internet for a little while so he's [TS]

  got your running dongles right now oh [TS]

  I'm a dongle country this is one of [TS]

  those part of that current spate of [TS]

  Apple products that are really great as [TS]

  long as you don't use them for anything [TS]

  flawlessly in conditions where that you [TS]

  don't try to do anything useful with [TS]

  them huh yeah no in the iMac I don't [TS]

  know how old your iMac is but like do [TS]

  you have a rough idea like what are we [TS]

  talk about orders of magnitude how old's [TS]

  that thing well old enough that he [TS]

  bought it and then used it long enough [TS]

  that it was sitting on the table at his [TS]

  house and he was like I gotta get rid of [TS]

  this thing so three to five or more [TS]

  years yeah yeah let's put it at let's [TS]

  split the difference at four four and a [TS]

  half years okay it's not really [TS]

  splitting the difference but I that's my [TS]

  guess let's just not begging the [TS]

  question that one drives me crazy right [TS]

  people say begging the question when [TS]

  they really mean raising the question [TS]

  yeah no that's not begging the question [TS]

  mm-hmm what is your opinion about this [TS]

  that's four years [TS]

  what say it's four years old well I can [TS]

  in the fullness of time I will give you [TS]

  an idea what kind of deal you got on it [TS]

  but the truth is that that is a computer [TS]

  that unless it has some kind of problem [TS]

  I mean it's sort of like you know Kramer [TS]

  trading his radar detector to Newman for [TS]

  the crash helmet and neither one of them [TS]

  works right it becomes kind of sad Gift [TS]

  of the Magi if that thing works you [TS]

  might have something kind of good on [TS]

  your hands that you can put on your mp3s [TS]

  on isn't that kind of part of the deal [TS]

  you want all your stuff on a thing I [TS]

  want stuff on a thing but also [TS]

  yeah like I I have a little bit of I [TS]

  mean I don't have anywhere near the [TS]

  computer attachment anxiety that [TS]

  probably I'm guessing 99.9% of the [TS]

  people listening to this program suffer [TS]

  from they have a lot of feelings and so [TS]

  like if my laptop got left somewhere or [TS]

  if it got wiped or if it got stolen or [TS]

  if it was you know or if god forbid [TS]

  sat in the crackheads trunk for a year a [TS]

  satyr crackheads drunk for a year or or [TS]

  if he were to be shot by a policeman or [TS]

  if he were to someone other unfortunate [TS]

  you're seeing like a Theodore Roosevelt [TS]

  type situation like you're up there [TS]

  giving a speech and a gunman takes a [TS]

  crack at you mm-hmm stops the bullet he [TS]

  takes the blow you continue speaking cuz [TS]

  you're all fuckin Theodore Roosevelt [TS]

  that kind of saturation that's right I'm [TS]

  shot by a bullet but i but i apprehend [TS]

  the culprit first of all and then [TS]

  continue with my speech never pausing [TS]

  never pausing okay all right so that's [TS]

  not I don't have that problem what I [TS]

  just have is the problem of a [TS]

  proliferation of boxes yeah but also [TS]

  justice you want to make sure this is [TS]

  just if you turn this thing on and it [TS]

  has a bomb on it or something you know [TS]

  like a sad sad face or something if it [TS]

  doesn't work the hard drives busted or [TS]

  something you know Oh we'll go Jason and [TS]

  I will go back to the start oh yeah I'm [TS]

  sure I mean I I don't want to get a get [TS]

  head in front of our skis on this one [TS]

  but you know Jason's an art dealer and [TS]

  he has a drummer right so these are [TS]

  things we need to keep in mind I don't I [TS]

  don't want to cast aspersions we're [TS]

  living in a more woke and learning time [TS]

  and I don't want to just say things [TS]

  about drummers even though we know it's [TS]

  mostly true it's a cultural thing it's [TS]

  it's it's not see I think it's a [TS]

  difference in culture when you're [TS]

  dealing with the drummer you're [TS]

  absolutely right here absolutely not [TS]

  that they're less intelligent or trust [TS]

  the bull don't you think a lot of it is [TS]

  how a drummer is raised you know it I [TS]

  appreciate that you're trying to show [TS]

  cultural sensitivity well I want to [TS]

  become want to be culturally sensitive [TS]

  I have never I've never walked in and [TS]

  Romer shoes that's right and I imagine [TS]

  they imagine they suffer a lot they're [TS]

  the the brunt of a lot of jokes that are [TS]

  very funny because they're true and [TS]

  you're usually the least useful person [TS]

  in the band including the bass player [TS]

  I'm taken taken together mm-hmm [TS]

  have you ever have to move your drummers [TS]

  drums because they just weren't into it [TS]

  they were talking to somebody doing a [TS]

  lot of heavy lifting in my experience [TS]

  the drummer's in like like a restroom [TS]

  stall and can't figure out how to get [TS]

  out there talking up a bird and you're [TS]

  the one you're the one carrying the [TS]

  floor toms if you know what I'm saying [TS]

  you remember one I had a guy that didn't [TS]

  have that didn't have cases for his [TS]

  drums or cymbals because he didn't [TS]

  believe in them he would carry each is [TS]

  that part of the century John is that [TS]

  sialic it's symbolic no no no okay no no [TS]

  I think other drummers also that was [TS]

  anomalous but but you're you're right [TS]

  there's I mean this is the problem with [TS]

  stereotypes there's a stereotype for a [TS]

  reason huh and talk about that anymore [TS]

  no you can't really it's impossible to [TS]

  say everything that we used to be able [TS]

  to say about drummers yes because it was [TS]

  understood in the culture that we were [TS]

  that we were not only just kidding [TS]

  mm-hmm [TS]

  but also that we were serious that we [TS]

  were serious and it was true yeah I mean [TS]

  it's a kind of kidding that's that's [TS]

  very very serious and a lot of people [TS]

  don't have to live with a drummer they [TS]

  don't have to you know deal with a [TS]

  drummer in a business standpoint or with [TS]

  trying to keep a beat or any of those [TS]

  kinds of things and also they wanted to [TS]

  do they got their crash cymbal that's [TS]

  made out of a you know out of a crosscut [TS]

  saw and that's like a funny thing to [TS]

  them they strap it on to a stand and [TS]

  pretty soon you're carrying that out to [TS]

  the van well there's their bathroom [TS]

  there are drummers and then there are [TS]

  drummer you know you talk about [TS]

  percussionists well I'm talking about [TS]

  you know like the difference between a [TS]

  drummer like I know a drummer I know a [TS]

  lot of drummers sure I'm friends with [TS]

  drummer yeah well but then there are you [TS]

  know then there are drummers that are [TS]

  like right everybody knows what we're [TS]

  talking about here [TS]

  at some point here's the thing let's not [TS]

  get ahead of ourselves you need to get [TS]

  this thing rolling make sure it even [TS]

  just even starts up right that's at [TS]

  first tasks I'm looking at it here in [TS]

  the in the side light and there's a [TS]

  shuts on it and I specifically said to [TS]

  him when he handed it over to me I was [TS]

  like this thing's not covered with [TS]

  schmutz is it it was like no no no no no [TS]

  no I'm not which immediately like yes it [TS]

  was but he's also very he's fastidious [TS]

  enough that I think he sprayed it down [TS]

  with a cleaner that's nice but there's a [TS]

  there's like something on the screen [TS]

  that won't rub off it's like a like a [TS]

  damage like something it's not cracked [TS]

  but it's like it's got some kind of a [TS]

  physical artifact of some kind of damage [TS]

  yeah it's got like a like it looks like [TS]

  you know cuz it's a it's like it's made [TS]

  out of the same stuff as my electric [TS]

  stove your core Cory and stovetop stuff [TS]

  yeah and it looks like somebody put a [TS]

  pot down on it I would not say this I [TS]

  wouldn't put that past the drummer if a [TS]

  drummer made some beans and need a place [TS]

  to put them I could see him putting his [TS]

  his iMac off-axis and using as a kind of [TS]

  a trivet how do we know that he didn't [TS]

  computer machine [TS]

  he was website and and he was like doing [TS]

  about a paddle oh he probably does that [TS]

  adds value because that's what they do [TS]

  that on the dashboard of their car you [TS]

  know you'll see that a lot yeah you'll [TS]

  see that in traffic oh my I think that [TS]

  this actually has a like well wait a [TS]

  minute now I'm rub it I'm rubbing it [TS]

  here no won't rub off careful you don't [TS]

  get too many oils on there you should [TS]

  get up you should get a product I like a [TS]

  lot called woosh you can order this from [TS]

  your retailer they're in town and whoosh [TS]

  you get this nice bottle this is not an [TS]

  endorsement but you get a retweets or [TS]

  not endorsements but you get this bottle [TS]

  of stuff called woosh and it comes with [TS]

  what they call a microfiber cloth and [TS]

  you go since it's you put a little bit [TS]

  of wish on the microfiber cloth and then [TS]

  you gently gently rub it off and that [TS]

  will sometimes restore it to its [TS]

  showroom shine [TS]

  you did with your phone I did that with [TS]

  all the devices the other day is this a [TS]

  thing that I can just use this the [TS]

  spritz and the microfiber cloth that I [TS]

  get with the new pair of glasses [TS]

  possibly there are products that are [TS]

  made for electronic devices and I've [TS]

  learned from friends of mine who have [TS]

  been Jean I at the Apple store that you [TS]

  want to not spritz directly onto the [TS]

  surface of the screen you want to spritz [TS]

  under the microfiber cloth not too much [TS]

  not too little then you rub it off you [TS]

  won't be real channel real so these [TS]

  friends of yours or friends of ours Oh [TS]

  mostly friends of mine I don't think you [TS]

  know that minnijean I do you have you [TS]

  ever met a Jean I do you know people who [TS]

  were geniuses in the growth well I have [TS]

  a friend who is a Corson he was a genius [TS]

  right he was Eric was a genius not ever [TS]

  at the MAC store and not ever at the [TS]

  Apple store but at the MAC store hmm do [TS]

  you remember before there were Apple [TS]

  store oh yeah there were of course you [TS]

  do they were authorized Mac stores they [TS]

  would have a big neon Apple in the [TS]

  window with colors and whatnot him yeah [TS]

  but they also sold other things like [TS]

  RadioShack yes they were independently [TS]

  owned and operated they were like they [TS]

  might have been likes I think you could [TS]

  get like certified but they were doing [TS]

  their own thing they still exist and [TS]

  they're real weird [TS]

  they were always weird it always felt [TS]

  like there was a guy with a gray [TS]

  ponytail mm-hmm who would like had an [TS]

  apple 2e yeah there were a lot of there [TS]

  were people like Eric Corson back in the [TS]

  back doing Mac Mac attacks attacks yeah [TS]

  back him back in the back of Mac tech [TS]

  for Bobby the guy he's probably could be [TS]

  a Gulf War vet but Bobby's the guy with [TS]

  the ponytail and he's writing stuff yeah [TS]

  and it was a great job for Eric because [TS]

  he would say okay guys I'm going on tour [TS]

  and they would take his like milk carton [TS]

  that he sat on has also have detained [TS]

  all of his stuff and they tuck it under [TS]

  the under the workbench and the rest of [TS]

  the guys would you know they were all [TS]

  like back there were backpacking Mac [TS]

  attack Mac attackers him and then he'd [TS]

  come back to work a month later two [TS]

  months later and they [TS]

  milk carton upside-down and all his [TS]

  tools will be in there and he'd sit down [TS]

  and get back to work making Santa's toys [TS]

  feel like any of them had anything [TS]

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  line and all the great shows I would not [TS]

  leave quarters or weed in the milk [TS]

  carnival no I do that all the time I'm [TS]

  like let's see I've got all these little [TS]

  bits I am and I throw me the milk [TS]

  cartons I'm taking people's quarters [TS]

  yeah but so but yeah so the MAC store [TS]

  god I remember the first Mac store I [TS]

  went to it it felt like a ha felt like a [TS]

  hobby place exactly there was was a big [TS]

  one in town here on 6th on 6th Street I [TS]

  believe called Mac Adam and that was [TS]

  like it was it was the Valhalla of nerdy [TS]

  hobbyist Apple store so they would have [TS]

  software they would have hardware they [TS]

  had many many kinds of devices if you [TS]

  want to get a scuzzy 25 or scuzzy 50 you [TS]

  go there you want to get an Ethernet [TS]

  adapter that's where you go yeah but it [TS]

  always felt kind of they felt kind of [TS]

  shambling especially now compared to [TS]

  what we think of as an Apple store [TS]

  yeah the lighting was very dark and them [TS]

  wasn't it and it was like there was [TS]

  unfinished shingling carpeting often had [TS]

  carpeting carpet carpeting in those in [TS]

  the shells with holes in them like at a [TS]

  hardware store an old hardware store yep [TS]

  I have a friend here that is the [TS]

  assistant manager he's either the [TS]

  assistant to the regional manager or [TS]

  these is the assistant regional manager [TS]

  of an apple store at one of the big [TS]

  malls here in the region oh wow [TS]

  and so I will go visit him sometimes and [TS]

  it used to be that it felt like I got a [TS]

  friend in the diamond business and I'd [TS]

  go and he doesn't have to wear the [TS]

  t-shirt oh so he's like an enlisted man [TS]

  he's a yeah like an officer he's an [TS]

  officer he gets to wear a shirt with the [TS]

  button-down collar that does not [TS]

  indicate that he's a board member [TS]

  okay and you know sometimes I'll go and [TS]

  he won't be there and then I'll see him [TS]

  walking the mall with with an employee [TS]

  giving him giving the employee an [TS]

  employee review so he's not like he's [TS]

  not a low-level operative but he's [TS]

  definitely at the level where if he [TS]

  speaks to lord Vader he may get choked [TS]

  at a distance yeah pray he doesn't alter [TS]

  it further you're talking about second [TS]

  lieutenant you know secondary well but [TS]

  you know a left tenant like not oh I see [TS]

  he's got like a riding crop in a [TS]

  button-down shirt yeah maybe like a [TS]

  jaunty beret [TS]

  and it used to be that you could kind of [TS]

  waltz in there and say like no to mean [TS]

  nudge nudge [TS]

  is your wife a goer yeah does she go and [TS]

  he would it's not like he ever likes [TS]

  Liddy anything oh but he'd say let me he [TS]

  might crack your case without an [TS]

  appointment [TS]

  yeah he'd say let me facilitate that [TS]

  okay like I like a friend in the diamond [TS]

  business well me too oh that's nice to [TS]

  know you know I'll get into a whole line [TS]

  of business that I don't even care about [TS]

  if I have a friend in it [TS]

  well it certainly opens the door I mean [TS]

  I'm like I collect diamonds when did you [TS]

  start doing that oh I had a friend in [TS]

  the diamond but tell me more don't care [TS]

  about diamonds I just ice got into it [TS]

  cuz it's nice to have a pal but the last [TS]

  couple of times he's like yeah there's [TS]

  been a big crackdown from HQ and we [TS]

  don't do anything nice for anybody [TS]

  anymore it's not a very fun place to [TS]

  work right now but you're welcome to [TS]

  come down watch me in please [TS]

  yeah you always come down and be in the [TS]

  store and get treated like a regular [TS]

  person I mean he can still get me a [TS]

  genius he can get me a genius to look at [TS]

  my problem like without waiting for a [TS]

  year that's it I think that part of it [TS]

  like what's happening in the store I [TS]

  don't want to go off on a rant here but [TS]

  it is very ad hoc we're like I [TS]

  fortunately not had that many occasions [TS]

  where I had to take my computer in to [TS]

  get looked at but I had a pretty good [TS]

  record on what it was but you know might [TS]

  be the logic board whatever but you take [TS]

  it in and it is a Death March you got to [TS]

  make an appointment it might be a week [TS]

  before you get appointment and then you [TS]

  go ahead and you still gotta wait it [TS]

  might be an hour you're sitting there no [TS]

  of course it's like a lot of it [TS]

  historically has been somebody with an [TS]

  ancient Mac that might even be out of [TS]

  it's a lot like the coupon situation at [TS]

  Walgreens or people in there and they're [TS]

  like I can't go I don't know what [TS]

  happened the photos on my iPad Mini and [TS]

  like there's a you know and you're gonna [TS]

  walk through all that but nowadays [TS]

  they're having actual problems with [TS]

  their products and it's not a very fun [TS]

  place to work [TS]

  oh they're new keyboards are like bad [TS]

  and they're on the on the laptop so yeah [TS]

  yeah this is a little bit inside [TS]

  baseball but just to give you a feel for [TS]

  this I've had friends that get like a [TS]

  crumb or a hair or something in this [TS]

  tiny little keyboard that has no key [TS]

  travel how would you get a crumb or a [TS]

  hair sometimes a person a sport [TS]

  person has to eat what would you do [TS]

  you'd be eating or something or having [TS]

  hair you're reporting from the show [TS]

  floor or something like that you're [TS]

  having a dumpling but then they have to [TS]

  go through these mandated these court [TS]

  mandated tests that they gotta go [TS]

  through and when the tiger gonna run the [TS]

  Diagnostics John you gotta run the [TS]

  Diagnostics come on you know I feel [TS]

  about diagnostic Diagnostics tell you [TS]

  nothing the diagnosis tell you the [TS]

  Diagnostics don't found nothing I've got [TS]

  six on my skype for a week now [TS]

  have you turned up you're compiling a [TS]

  lot of pee do that but then apparently [TS]

  turns out one of the things that they [TS]

  need to chew part of that once they've [TS]

  run the I guess the like software [TS]

  diagnostics and hardware diet then the [TS]

  Geena genius goes through and has to hit [TS]

  every key on the keyboard and see what [TS]

  it does [TS]

  no wonder it takes a week to get an [TS]

  appointment those guys yeah exactly [TS]

  haven't hasn't somebody I bet you [TS]

  there's there is a rhotic on the line [TS]

  listener who has already invented a [TS]

  machine that hits every key on a [TS]

  keyboard oh you know just for their own [TS]

  amusement they've done it yeah [TS]

  eventually they'll put it on Etsy but [TS]

  for now it's just an articulated finger [TS]

  that hits all the keys like I knew a kid [TS]

  up here whose band was him and a bunch [TS]

  of machines he built to play instruments [TS]

  oh so it was regular it's nice to have a [TS]

  friend it's a nice to have little robot [TS]

  friends and I think he had like I think [TS]

  he took chopsticks and put little little [TS]

  like tissue paper on the end of them and [TS]

  taught it how to play the piano oh and [TS]

  it had machines and the one of them [TS]

  played the bass I think and I don't I [TS]

  saw it a couple of times that it was it [TS]

  was phenomenal [TS]

  I don't know I don't know how hard it [TS]

  would be to tour cuz I think you had to [TS]

  thank you to rebuild it every time I [TS]

  mean isn't it fair to say that ever [TS]

  since the 808 drummers have mostly been [TS]

  optional it's mostly for optics that's [TS]

  that's I have a little box that makes so [TS]

  I'm a yeah I know you're a hobbyist [TS]

  that's why I'm so popular little box [TS]

  table music bye [TS]

  you'd be daddy never sleeps at night for [TS]

  the floor baby laughs this little thing [TS]

  made by boss made the by the boss [TS]

  company and and it just makes drum [TS]

  sounds and I'm a terrible there are so [TS]

  many cool drum machines including the [TS]

  808 I went into a music store don't wait [TS]

  simulator on your freaking phone now [TS]

  yeah but that doesn't make me happy okay [TS]

  I decided those buttons you want to make [TS]

  the patterns do that what I want to do [TS]

  is sit what I want to do is sit on the [TS]

  couch as I've done for 25 years and say [TS]

  to someone sitting at a computer or box [TS]

  can you make it go just keep playing [TS]

  until I tell you I'm not angry anymore [TS]

  just keep trying different things I was [TS]

  I did a recording day one time where the [TS]

  drummer came up finally and said I've [TS]

  played this song 40 times I'm not gonna [TS]

  play it again and I said that's what [TS]

  drummers do yeah they play it over and [TS]

  over and over and he said I've played it [TS]

  perfectly 40 times you you need to get [TS]

  your shit together well and I said [TS]

  here's what tremors do they played 41 [TS]

  times yeah you played 42 again I guess [TS]

  how I that's how I my shit together if [TS]

  you had wanted to be in a if you'd [TS]

  wanted to play an instrument that people [TS]

  cared what you thought you would have [TS]

  picked a better one yeah you wouldn't [TS]

  you would have gotten a violin or an [TS]

  oboe or something that people have a lot [TS]

  of respect for but no you're in there to [TS]

  keep playing you're like a mouse in a [TS]

  maze I'll tell you when you found the [TS]

  end of the maze don't you worry you just [TS]

  keep walking I'll tell you when you're [TS]

  done I picked up a chair and I had of [TS]

  course I already had my whip and I put [TS]

  him back in his cage and I said keep [TS]

  fucking playing this you got to know how [TS]

  to kennel a drummer [TS]

  but so I have this box and basically it [TS]

  has an it has two knobs one is tempo and [TS]

  the other is you can change what the [TS]

  pattern is and you change the lit move [TS]

  the knob one thing and it goes and then [TS]

  you move it again and it's like you move [TS]

  it again it's like so it's really it's [TS]

  just tempo and complexity ten tempo and [TS]

  complexity and then there is a menu if [TS]

  you want to go to [TS]

  scroll Scroll scroll Scroll and you can [TS]

  change time signature so the [TS]

  complexities find most drummers you know [TS]

  they'll be able to rip out a little bit [TS]

  of Tom Sawyer until it falls apart but [TS]

  mostly you're gonna go back to 4/4 let's [TS]

  be honest yeah well no see because I [TS]

  like trick I like tricky tricks you talk [TS]

  about drama drummers oh yeah there are [TS]

  some I mean Barrett Martin loves to play [TS]

  in in seven seven sixteen gotcha point [TS]

  Matt Chamberlain like he's a drummer [TS]

  drummer loves to play that guy's playing [TS]

  on a different level he's got Galaxy [TS]

  mind Matt Chamberlain Matt Cameron like [TS]

  Cameron [TS]

  all the great masters tricky dicks [TS]

  anyway so I've got this thing and I just [TS]

  like the way it sounds I run it into an [TS]

  amplifier which is like the that's so [TS]

  the thing itself has Mikey Mike the amp [TS]

  or DDI damn I don't even do that I just [TS]

  sit and I just sit and entertain myself [TS]

  and it really disturbs me that I cannot [TS]

  just I don't even have the technical [TS]

  ability to just make that my sound it is [TS]

  my sound it's the only thing I care [TS]

  about I go into the studio and I'm like [TS]

  well here's my thing that I made and and [TS]

  like a live drummers like oh I can do [TS]

  that and he starts to plan I'm like I [TS]

  kind of just like the sound of my lock I [TS]

  know it's almost like you want a sober [TS]

  reliable grant Hart you and somebody who [TS]

  can come in and like keep it beating you [TS]

  say okay we'll do more or flippity [TS]

  jibbity and then they can do more [TS]

  flippity jibbety but they don't lose the [TS]

  beat but still there's a purity to the [TS]

  to the what the what the krautrock hall [TS]

  for on the floor I kind of know you know [TS]

  before you on the floor beat that's [TS]

  that's a fantastic beat well and this is [TS]

  the thing with making music with other [TS]

  people because there are a lot of times [TS]

  when the bass line that I record myself [TS]

  does didn't didn't didn't didn't didn't [TS]

  didn't didn't didn't [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  no chord change that let you know like [TS]

  as I'm writing it I'm talking to the [TS]

  bass player who is me and I say I'm like [TS]

  okay listen okay shake Racker okay [TS]

  listen you're not going to do anything [TS]

  in this song except this no no the other [TS]

  instruments are gonna make changes [TS]

  they're going to change chords and stuff [TS]

  the bass is only gonna go didn't didn't [TS]

  didn't didn't didn't didn't do until the [TS]

  song is basically a bass drum with an [TS]

  open e yeah right yeah but it needs to [TS]

  happen it's very crucial to the song if [TS]

  it doesn't happen it's not bass well and [TS]

  it's not yeah all right the song doesn't [TS]

  have the thing and the song doesn't have [TS]

  the D it's your the key thing yes and [TS]

  and the amazing skill that some bass [TS]

  players have is to realize that really [TS]

  to play only one note through the entire [TS]

  length of a song and to still like be in [TS]

  the pocket and make it groove is even [TS]

  harder then moving stuff around because [TS]

  you have to be like didn't didn't didn't [TS]

  and I start thinking about something [TS]

  else if you start thinking about [TS]

  something else yeah then you're gonna [TS]

  wander you're gonna wander away from the [TS]

  tune but if you can really be in that [TS]

  bass really be in that bass moment and [TS]

  just every single one of those dunes [TS]

  matters just as much to you as the one [TS]

  before it I'm the one after Wow [TS]

  basically not get distracted like when [TS]

  the words start you start thinking about [TS]

  like what kind of sandwich are gonna [TS]

  have right and the thing is this is a [TS]

  thing that this is why bass players are [TS]

  often perfectly suited to this because [TS]

  there's not a lot of other things [TS]

  they're gonna think about right right [TS]

  right oh we have that much to think [TS]

  about like where where's my milk carton [TS]

  basically it's kind of rhythmic fidget [TS]

  spinner and its key its key key but [TS]

  pretty soon then you're like pretty soon [TS]

  then you're just you're sitting up there [TS]

  with a bunch of instruments that you [TS]

  made your [TS]

  or you're playing everything through a [TS]

  through a boss pedal into a single [TS]

  amplifier and you're you're like LCD [TS]

  Soundsystem guy except you can't afford [TS]

  25 people onstage with you yeah I don't [TS]

  know people really like that LCD [TS]

  soundsystem guy I like some of their [TS]

  stuff quite a lot drummers music you [TS]

  just did that Merlin thing where where [TS]

  your voice went up an octave person says [TS]

  oh I quite like it [TS]

  oh yeah yeah no I mean like I've played [TS]

  my problem is that like like so many [TS]

  people I came at the base this is no [TS]

  disrespect to the wonderful people who [TS]

  play the bass but I came at the base as [TS]

  a guitar player I'm a very loo Barlow [TS]

  esque bass player where it's like I'm [TS]

  playing a 1 and a 5 and I'm going up and [TS]

  I'm playing a little melody and I'm [TS]

  mostly I'm going boop boop boop boop [TS]

  where I'm trying to be my quiet like I [TS]

  don't I mean to me a bass playing was a [TS]

  hack for me like guitar playing I never [TS]

  like like like you I never bothered to [TS]

  get very good at guitar but I knew my [TS]

  way around I knew what my capabilities [TS]

  were mostly you like and I knew them [TS]

  like if I want to make a silly sounding [TS]

  fake Eddie Van Halen solo I knew how to [TS]

  make that funny but the bass I came at [TS]

  it totally as a hack where it's like [TS]

  okay I understand all these strings are [TS]

  pretty much the same as the lower four [TS]

  strings I can figure that out and then I [TS]

  figured out how to roughly emulate [TS]

  something that wasn't don't wasn't doing [TS]

  a Ramones I wasn't trying to do just [TS]

  what the guitar part was right and then [TS]

  you know as again as a fan of who [TS]

  screwed you I started loving that idea [TS]

  of like counter posing what the bass is [TS]

  doing melodically with the guitar but I [TS]

  still came at it with the way of [TS]

  thinking I think there's a guitar way of [TS]

  thinking and a bass way of thinking and [TS]

  I think they're worried I think they're [TS]

  very different you approach the [TS]

  instrument your role and the [TS]

  capabilities and the place and the song [TS]

  are very different from comparing [TS]

  between a natural bass player and [TS]

  natural guitar player yes that may sound [TS]

  ridiculously obvious until you listen to [TS]

  some guy who picked up bass over the [TS]

  weekend like you like you had to do one [TS]

  time right so no musician would [TS]

  disagree with what you just said but I [TS]

  think most lay people are not aware of [TS]

  how massively different the two [TS]

  instruments are their role is [TS]

  complementary but really a base is [TS]

  closer to drums than it is to a guitar [TS]

  and it's amazing to me that there are [TS]

  lead singers who are bass players [TS]

  because the two things mmm like playing [TS]

  guitar and singing is very natural [TS]

  you're you're throwing the chords down [TS]

  in piles and you're building you know [TS]

  you're building the Lego structure of [TS]

  the song and you're singing in the in [TS]

  between your strums kind of you know [TS]

  you're like and here I go strumming and [TS]

  the strumming and singing in an [TS]

  instrument and I'm singing in and but [TS]

  the bass isn't doing that all you know [TS]

  the bass is like I am holding it down [TS]

  here with the kick drum and to sing over [TS]

  that is SuperDuper different [TS]

  and and you know you see it lead singer [TS]

  bass guys sting and Geddy Lee and Paul [TS]

  McCartney Jack blades Jack blades name [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  it was yeah Jack blades was he's the see [TS]

  the basis I think Kelly Keegan Kelly [TS]

  Keegan Kelly Kelly Kelly [TS]

  I think Keegan Keegan Michael Kelly [TS]

  Keegan Michael Kelly I think was that [TS]

  was the drummer you got he got brake [TS]

  blanket on home alone [TS]

  which one took job alone one Joe Joe [TS]

  Pesci Joe Pesci Joe Pesci was in a band [TS]

  he was in a band with but he was in a [TS]

  band with somebody else he was in band [TS]

  with like a Joe Montana at one point I [TS]

  think are you telling me Joe Pesci was [TS]

  at home alone your are your guests [TS]

  letting me know I've never seen home [TS]

  alone what it had it had Jodie Foster [TS]

  Wallace i fostered army was a funny name [TS]

  mr. Wallace is a terrific name it was in [TS]

  Joey D and the starlighter's hmm [TS]

  no no this is back in the day and who [TS]

  was he in with this he was in this with [TS]

  somebody else who's famous and it's like [TS]

  it's like a Joe [TS]

  yeah I'm taking off your topic of base [TS]

  yeah yeah well when I started playing [TS]

  the bass as we've recorded this story [TS]

  before of my like jumping into the base [TS]

  as an epic story but I didn't have to [TS]

  sing lead I only had to sing harmony and [TS]

  that's easier it's easier to just be [TS]

  like ah it's very hard for me to play [TS]

  the bass properly and and sing because I [TS]

  just because it's certainly my own songs [TS]

  I did not write them or around the [TS]

  ability to do that [TS]

  and at one point we always were have we [TS]

  always had a hard time figuring out how [TS]

  to play blue diamonds on tour around you [TS]

  switch parts we'd switch around cuz the [TS]

  piano part on that song is not difficult [TS]

  but it's sort of sig singly a thing that [TS]

  I would write and do it's not a thing [TS]

  that you'd say like hey piano player [TS]

  here you go bomp bomp ed above it's just [TS]

  not like a normal it's it's a piano part [TS]

  written by somebody that doesn't really [TS]

  play the piano and so it was we could [TS]

  never figure out how to how to recreate [TS]

  it on stage and so what we ended up [TS]

  doing at one point was I played the bass [TS]

  Erik Corson played the guitar and we [TS]

  just eliminated the piano and I was so [TS]

  terrible at the base we did this for an [TS]

  entire tour I never figured out how to [TS]

  do it and in fact a critic from The [TS]

  Village Voice came to our show in New [TS]

  York and said in the review bar where [TS]

  there's a great band lead singer can't [TS]

  play the bass oh boy [TS]

  but uh put that hasn't Chopin smoked [TS]

  fortunately he only tries to do it once [TS]

  yeah well I I deserved it I deserved it [TS]

  can play your mind [TS]

  kaboom yeah so Joe Pesci was in a band [TS]

  he was friends with Frankie Valli ah and [TS]

  so he was in a band I'm not seeing the [TS]

  name of the pin he was in a band with [TS]

  Frank Vincent so do you remember the [TS]

  movie Goodfellas yes when he says get [TS]

  your shine box yeah that actor [TS]

  was in a band with with a Joseph [TS]

  Pechersky yeah she yep there's photos Oh [TS]

  whose photos go search for Joe Pesci [TS]

  band well I think that she probably [TS]

  means fish that's what I'm gonna guess [TS]

  mm-hmm - fish fish [TS]

  Choi fish [TS]

  it's a it's a Sicilian message it means [TS]

  joy sleeps with the fishes [TS]

  he's Joyce sings with his co-star actor [TS]

  Joe Pesci yeah I didn't know that he was [TS]

  in a show called star time kids oh that [TS]

  was that kids cartoon show by James [TS]

  Brown start time babies look at them [TS]

  they're so amazing their mustaches are [TS]

  so moustachy high now that looks like [TS]

  Tony Orlando is that Tony Orlando [TS]

  oh the two guy it's a Joe Pesci and then [TS]

  Tony Orlando and then dawn but Don it's [TS]

  like the dawn that's funny [TS]

  I like yeah you know what that said my [TS]

  brother my brother and me Joe that yeah [TS]

  that's fun that's yeah yeah it's not a [TS]

  disrespectful thing it's it's [TS]

  self-preservation you got to know what [TS]

  you're in for with these people and this [TS]

  is not to say that every guitar player I [TS]

  mean guitar players mm-hmm if you're [TS]

  just the guitar player even if you like [TS]

  a really good guitar player mm-hmm see I [TS]

  I feel like this is already problematic [TS]

  a lot of what we're saying hmm you know [TS]

  when you watch the Metallica documentary [TS]

  if you were me and you thought you knew [TS]

  what worked in Metallica mm-hmm yeah you [TS]

  know how do you think things worked in [TS]

  Metallica well I bought into the guitar [TS]

  for the practicing musician idea the [TS]

  Kirk Hammett was a wonderful gift that [TS]

  was brought to Metallica who had no idea [TS]

  really what they were doing before then [TS]

  no I mean that's not entirely true but [TS]

  when you think of who in the 80's and [TS]

  90's unimpeachably who is the guitar [TS]

  wizard and probably controlling cool [TS]

  a Metallica if you had to say who in the [TS]

  mythology it would that be James [TS]

  Hetfield really see I came up thinking [TS]

  that it was always Kirk Hammett Kirk [TS]

  Kirk Hammett was always the one getting [TS]

  before the YouTube age we could go in [TS]

  and see who actually plays what parts [TS]

  and does what you know we had Clues we [TS]

  we well we had quizzes you you are [TS]

  talking to pure crazy right now I now I [TS]

  know that because I've seen that you [TS]

  documentary and I've watched the YouTube [TS]

  I knew it but the craziness that you are [TS]

  you are talking pure crazy and I would [TS]

  have said that in 1984 Kirk Hammett yeah [TS]

  what was I think he knows I think a lot [TS]

  of times he doesn't know what key it's [TS]

  in no he was always a dingaling every [TS]

  and everything was played by James James [TS]

  Hetfield well my understanding is that [TS]

  James is the guy who really brings the [TS]

  personality and sound that makes [TS]

  metallica metallica and his rhythm [TS]

  guitar playing is monstrously good which [TS]

  is all of the song that's yes and then [TS]

  you got this guy over here and he's got [TS]

  a block of cheese and he's grating it in [TS]

  some kind of Phrygian mode but he might [TS]

  be a couple of frets off and he just [TS]

  gets a little squiggly seems to fade [TS]

  away you get to the end of that boy and [TS]

  he's he's doing his shredding and it's [TS]

  it gets a little low raga my Mike my [TS]

  experience of Metallica and this is than [TS]

  this I think was every every true [TS]

  because you weren't metal is the thing I [TS]

  would not know I mean it wasn't like a [TS]

  denim jacket guy but I deeply love mini [TS]

  metal bands yes [TS]

  but myself a metalhead I would call [TS]

  myself a college rock guy you were a [TS]

  college rock god that's right and but [TS]

  you were not a denim jacket guy I mean [TS]

  start but like going back up some iron [TS]

  Iron Maiden and Metallica and some Judas [TS]

  Priest and whatever and then into the [TS]

  80s like whatever was on headbangers [TS]

  ball like that's a little later but like [TS]

  no I mean I genuinely like I told you [TS]

  before about my friend Phil and maybe [TS]

  this mixtape of a metal mixtape in 1985 [TS]

  - changed my life [TS]

  and had so much great metal stuff on and [TS]

  Steve Lyon open all these doors to go [TS]

  beyond what I knew of as classic rock [TS]

  and that's where I first heard whiplash [TS]

  and [TS]

  shirt fade to black and like you know [TS]

  the trap does rice and all that stuff [TS]

  when you went to through that huge [TS]

  accept phase we were just like all I [TS]

  want to hear is except I believe his [TS]

  name is but I know the singer except who [TS]

  Dirkschneider there were two good [TS]

  musicians in Metallica oh boy too bad [TS]

  musicians in Metallica [TS]

  I think we're probably gonna you know [TS]

  what we're gonna get a lot ladders on [TS]

  this one we're gonna get a lot of [TS]

  letters confirming that there are two [TS]

  good was not really playing drums he was [TS]

  beating on a phone book when you accept [TS]

  the tonality of injustice for all and [TS]

  realized that he was playing on a yellow [TS]

  pages I'll you know you really [TS]

  appreciate that boy could really play [TS]

  some yellow pages it feels like a Bing [TS]

  will ships an album that sounds like [TS]

  that James Hetfield was a person and [TS]

  this happens in music a lot of the time [TS]

  where he's very loyal to his friend his [TS]

  friend was there from the beginning his [TS]

  friend was there as friends started it [TS]

  with him and when the and when you're [TS]

  first starting a band you start a band [TS]

  with whoever's standing around how's it [TS]

  else you know were they from oh yeah [TS]

  something like he's ballet I guess they [TS]

  technically every buddy says they're [TS]

  from LA they're from San Francisco I [TS]

  thought they're from these bands out [TS]

  there from like El Cerrito my thinking I [TS]

  ccr know CCR's from LA what no teleca's [TS]

  from San Francisco but they live they [TS]

  live in fancy Robin Williams houses now [TS]

  but I think they're from I think that [TS]

  for me is BAE well no they I think they [TS]

  are from the East Bay before we Los [TS]

  Angeles in late 1981 when Danish born [TS]

  drummer Lars Ulrich placed an [TS]

  advertisement in the recycler you're [TS]

  saying that Metallica started in LA and [TS]

  then moved to San Francisco them is [TS]

  being from the Oakland area Wow [TS]

  see I don't know I'm really confusing [TS]

  now then we're CCR from I swear to Clara [TS]

  from LA I think come on really yeah [TS]

  how'd that get on the Zant's label [TS]

  that's like good east babe hmm [TS]

  this is really upsetting to me I'm [TS]

  taking you on four point you're gonna [TS]

  tell me about friendship [TS]

  Elsa no see [TS]

  see ours from El Cerrito from the area [TS]

  oh isn't that interesting [TS]

  okay oh well what do you know we have [TS]

  looked around we have that flipped [TS]

  around you know metallic is from El now [TS]

  what about green day the Green Day ban [TS]

  aren't they from like mostly see ours [TS]

  from East Bay Ocala is from LA every day [TS]

  is from no way we're providing mnemonics [TS]

  for future CCR is to East Bay as [TS]

  Metallica is to LA okay okay and journey [TS]

  journey city by the bay started out as a [TS]

  song about la haha did you know that I [TS]

  didn't know that yeah when let's go down [TS]

  the city and the Sun shines on LA and [TS]

  then they flipped it around it took and [TS]

  they turned is what they did [TS]

  well everybody at these terrible 49ers [TS]

  games that aren't even in the city of [TS]

  San Francisco and they're singing along [TS]

  on these songs their song about la [TS]

  jumpers it's much better song about [TS]

  about San Francisco that would have been [TS]

  about la about it already I know the [TS]

  thing is James Hetfield he started this [TS]

  band with this guy cuz the guy started [TS]

  the band apparently Lars was the one [TS]

  that put the ad in who put in the [TS]

  recycler that was him and James was like [TS]

  a teenager and he said yeah sure and [TS]

  then and I'm sure Lars is Danish this [TS]

  was kind of exotic at the time you know [TS]

  it's very metal to be from Denmark [TS]

  Denmark is one of the more metal [TS]

  countries that the dansk is is a very [TS]

  metal and they're not as metal as in [TS]

  Czechoslovakia well James had to know [TS]

  that Lars was an albatross he was a [TS]

  lodestone but he was a he's a man to [TS]

  moil t matters but when they got kirk [TS]

  hammett the only thing that he can do is [TS]

  play a million notes those notes are non [TS]

  melodic those notes are in my estimation [TS]

  as a musician nonsensical [TS]

  yeah he's there he's there Jimmy page a [TS]

  little bit and as far what yeah [TS]

  what do you mean Jimmy pages of genius [TS]

  oh so much Blues so many losses oh my [TS]

  gosh he has so many blues 'as he he's a [TS]

  sloppy cheapskate is what he is he's [TS]

  sloppy yes because he's feeling the [TS]

  blues so intense it's the blues yes he'd [TS]

  be so blue [TS]

  what's John Paul Jones feeling because I [TS]

  think I'm feeling what he feels John [TS]

  Paul Jones is thinking about higher math [TS]

  he's on different maths yeah he's like [TS]

  Tom Schultz he's like salts whose home [TS]

  is destroyed in the recent recent fires [TS]

  r.i.p oh no real oh no that's terrible [TS]

  John it's terrible wait I can't get into [TS]

  that that's just too sad no bummers [TS]

  Charles Schultz's home we're all great [TS]

  laughs [TS]

  rameneh PBP grew all the peanuts there [TS]

  Oh [TS]

  so anyway friendship is important and I [TS]

  think you could agree the Jimmy Page [TS]

  really dragged the band down and a lot [TS]

  of points about Paige being sloppy which [TS]

  is true yes is a it's a bonus that's a [TS]

  blessing [TS]

  it is a blessing because he was he's not [TS]

  he was competing with Emerson Lake & [TS]

  Project the the Emerson Lincoln project [TS]

  era because that's where a lot of people [TS]

  encoded is that the word for about prog [TS]

  rock and it's easy to forget this really [TS]

  good book by Dave waggle about prog rock [TS]

  that's very very good [TS]

  and about the culture of prog rock that [TS]

  continues today mostly on cruise ships [TS]

  but just me forget about this era how [TS]

  influential all that stuff was at the [TS]

  time that's what people aspire to you [TS]

  they wanted to be freaking King Crimson [TS]

  one that's why punk rock had to come [TS]

  along that's that's what they say that's [TS]

  what this one shows that's what they say [TS]

  that's what flea says when they cut to [TS]

  him at the in every document about every [TS]

  classroom in John what does Chuck [TS]

  Klosterman have to say would he be able [TS]

  to come in and give an opinion do you [TS]

  think I put a few words down Martin [TS]

  Scorsese would there be an opportunity [TS]

  for him to be sitting in a chair in his [TS]

  little theater and be able to [TS]

  because you know Isaac is very important [TS]

  to Martin Scorcese he would it would [TS]

  have another opportunity for ya / [TS]

  opining and for for a girl to also be [TS]

  there Oh Dave football with a big smile [TS]

  and he'd say something very charming and [TS]

  everybody would agree I watched his [TS]

  documentary on Netflix now here's [TS]

  another thing is I was watching a [TS]

  program on Netflix and they played a [TS]

  song that I must have heard before [TS]

  because I had physical I used to make [TS]

  out to Physical Graffiti in high school [TS]

  and I owned an LP copy of it in college [TS]

  and I listened to it like fairly often I [TS]

  remember the song in the light the song [TS]

  in the light is a very very good song I [TS]

  had to hear it on a Netflix television [TS]

  streaming program - really really she [TS]

  ate it it was really really good and I [TS]

  hear a song like that I hear a cashmere [TS]

  I hear a song like that and I think I [TS]

  think that's all John Paul Jones oh my [TS]

  god I think I think I think Jimmy's just [TS]

  just Jim is just sitting there counting [TS]

  shekels he shows up he puts on a cape he [TS]

  borrows a cape from Rick Wakeman he [TS]

  shows up and he just he plays some [TS]

  sloppy pentatonix for 10 minutes bananas [TS]

  really you are literally banana took him [TS]

  that live Ron album or both or neither I [TS]

  feel like John Paul Jones clearly a [TS]

  genius clearly a great great great [TS]

  player he's a good is he game no in the [TS]

  sense that like I think he genuinely [TS]

  loves music as he doing I don't think [TS]

  he's he's there to pull birds [TS]

  necessarily to make shekels I think he's [TS]

  partly there just out of a genuine love [TS]

  of how nurten notes on a page like turn [TS]

  into something beautiful but this is the [TS]

  problem he's Rana Klee tragically [TS]

  underused in Led Zeppelin mm-hmm because [TS]

  I do not think he was given the mandate [TS]

  at least very under-recognized I think [TS]

  his tastefulness and like in some ways [TS]

  maybe I don't say he was the pall of the [TS]

  band but I think it's some ways he [TS]

  brought things to that band that made [TS]

  them so much more than what they [TS]

  previously been capable of and will just [TS]

  read it so like he's the piano player or [TS]

  like he played the air bow here or [TS]

  whatever he's very good but he didn't he [TS]

  was not empowered because it wasn't his [TS]

  band that's true if there's if there's [TS]

  anybody in that band that's a hired gun [TS]

  it's him and I don't think that I do not [TS]

  think that the magic of Led Zepplin that [TS]

  you are hearing and attributing to John [TS]

  Paul Jones is actually coming from the [TS]

  fountain of John Paul Jones I mean he [TS]

  does a great job at the things that he [TS]

  does that he he kills those things that [TS]

  were handed to him and I wish that he [TS]

  had had more authority in the band [TS]

  because I know you're doing that thing [TS]

  you're saying okay what did they [TS]

  actually put on the screen like let's [TS]

  set aside all the Chuck Klosterman [TS]

  ization of this like what actually [TS]

  happened in terms of what made it onto [TS]

  the final yeah I don't think that that [TS]

  in the room those moments where where [TS]

  the other dudes [TS]

  we're probably page said okay and then [TS]

  then all this needs to get done and he [TS]

  pushed the big platter of hot turkey [TS]

  dinner over and said like I don't want [TS]

  to think or think about this or do this [TS]

  okay it came back to him like absolutely [TS]

  perfectly done like all that PA all that [TS]

  keyboard stuff it's all him like he's [TS]

  super big is that I think he's the [TS]

  flautist [TS]

  he's the flautist but Jimmy Page stole [TS]

  the chord progression for stairway to [TS]

  heaven but I think it's John Paul Jones [TS]

  that made it work I'm sorry this is [TS]

  fraud we can't put this out there's no [TS]

  way page is the page is the one that is [TS]

  coming up with all the riffs all the t's [TS]

  that you think he's like the Pete [TS]

  Townsend in the band uh yeah well I mean [TS]

  the you because you know about his you [TS]

  know page was like hot session guy he [TS]

  was hot session guy he was a Yardbird [TS]

  Donovan's magic carpet ride I think he [TS]

  played on I think he played on a king [TS]

  song possibly even you really got me [TS]

  it's disputed whether his track made it [TS]

  on to the final but he was on some early [TS]

  Kings singles I think and I you know and [TS]

  he was in the Beatles right yeah he's [TS]

  considered the seventh Beatle seventh [TS]

  Beatle the seventh son of the seventh [TS]

  son mm-hmm that's where the Iron Maiden [TS]

  album comes from there are two good [TS]

  musicians in Led Zeppelin [TS]

  mm-hmm and there are two people who [TS]

  owned Led Zeppelin and made it and made [TS]

  everything and now you're into a Jean [TS]

  and Paul type situation there are two [TS]

  right people in Led Zeppelin who died [TS]

  yes there are two but none of these twos [TS]

  overlap wait I was up one time uh Frank [TS]

  Frank Frank Zeppelin right yeah he died [TS]

  early he's like one he's the Nell Aspen [TS]

  all it's banned he's like the eighth or [TS]

  ninth member of Led Zeppelin he's like [TS]

  the piano player of the Rolling Stones [TS]

  who was in the Rolling Stones from the [TS]

  very beginning but she had a certain [TS]

  Jimmy Stone yeah yeah certain point he [TS]

  got he got put behind the curtain yeah [TS]

  you drive himself an electric bathtub I [TS]

  think that's what happen easily played [TS]

  that pretty ovation teardrop guitar [TS]

  piano uh Rolling Stone [TS]

  it gathers no moss but also a Rolling [TS]

  Stone electric bathtub was actually a [TS]

  great band that's a terrific band yeah [TS]

  no I'm saying that there is there was a [TS]

  guy mm-hmm not Brian Jones talk about [TS]

  it's not not Ian mcLaughlin but one of [TS]

  those it was a piano boy in the Rolling [TS]

  Stones yeah yeah the piano key on please [TS]

  I'm just kissing names at this point no [TS]

  it's Ian Stewart Ian Stewart and he's [TS]

  not he's not the guy from that English [TS]

  band the other English band that's the [TS]

  guy my thing I think it'd be in swayin [TS]

  Stewart Ian [TS]

  who's the guy hits you with your rhythm [TS]

  stick that's Ian Dury he was thinking of [TS]

  Ian Ian McKellen you McCallum Ian [TS]

  McDermott eita Mederma no Roni Ian Loog [TS]

  Oldham Ian Lou gold and he's the one [TS]

  that got sampled by that fan who knocks [TS]

  people down walking down the street [TS]

  that's right all their money money right [TS]

  cuz they got Peter Allen to be their [TS]

  manager that's the guy guys was married [TS]

  to Liza Minnelli and he stole all their [TS]

  rights wasn't that him uh it was the was [TS]

  he married to Liza Minnelli Peter Allen [TS]

  Peter Allen and my baby smiles at me [TS]

  y'all go to Rio who's the guy who stole [TS]

  all the money he said look look look [TS]

  look you guys you're not you're not [TS]

  getting paid right I'm gonna set this [TS]

  straight no that was uh that was dude [TS]

  man it was [TS]

  I was fun his name was Alan fun no it [TS]

  was [TS]

  was [TS]

  Morty it was no I think you're right I [TS]

  think your friendship a friendship is [TS]

  very important but you have to know [TS]

  where to draw the line like say for [TS]

  example you let's just say [TS]

  hypothetically you knew a drummer who [TS]

  really wanted a mistake no please no [TS]

  right right [TS]

  it was that's like Allen Funt yeah Allen [TS]

  Funt doer no I'm talking about Ian [TS]

  Stewart who do you know this story no he [TS]

  was a founding member of the Rolling [TS]

  Stones [TS]

  from the very beginning when they all [TS]

  met on a railroad platform and Mick [TS]

  Jagger was like a platform in economics [TS]

  school that make one economics - he's [TS]

  like hey is that a Muddy Waters record [TS]

  and best pals and they for me is news to [TS]

  me I thought I thought that they meant [TS]

  that a corps Eamon show were Mick had [TS]

  been doing some kind of an undergraduate [TS]

  thesis [TS]

  yeah and Keith of course was a pirate at [TS]

  the time yeah splitting splitting a fact [TS]

  as they were splitting effect okay so [TS]

  this guy he and Stewart was a really [TS]

  really good musician and he was one of [TS]

  the Bros in the band and then Andrew [TS]

  Loog Oldham their original manager said [TS]

  in 1963 right before they became big he [TS]

  was like hey mate because that's how [TS]

  they talk to each other yeah you don't [TS]

  look right oh because he looks kind of [TS]

  like Huey Lewis or he looks like a bloke [TS]

  keyboardist and he really does not look [TS]

  like he's in the Rolling Stones he [TS]

  doesn't and so yes yes or non Rolling [TS]

  Stones shaped face like no matter what [TS]

  he did with his hair couldn't have done [TS]

  it [TS]

  he always was gonna look wrong and so he [TS]

  said and this is the one of the most [TS]

  amazing things I've ever heard he said [TS]

  okay I'll keep playing piano in the [TS]

  Rolling Stones [TS]

  over here Oh No just offstage and [TS]

  everybody was like great and then [TS]

  eventually he was like I'll carry the [TS]

  bags you guys you guys run on ahead and [TS]

  then pretty soon he was like he's like [TS]

  mal Evans meets a girl with a bag on her [TS]

  head that's not very nice [TS]

  he was the road manager okay like my [TS]

  goodness in whatever reason Bret and in [TS]

  whatever how he continued to be in the [TS]

  Rolling Stones and in their operation [TS]

  and continued to play the piano [TS]

  what he's doing is like straight up [TS]

  Cyrano in the wings like he's not a [TS]

  stage he's not acknowledged he's [TS]

  certainly not gonna be in bands photos [TS]

  he plays it on Beggars Banquet he plays [TS]

  on some girls he plays he plays on honky [TS]

  tonk woman he plays the piano oh my all [TS]

  the Rolling Stone songs until they [TS]

  started getting like you know Nicky [TS]

  Hopkins and Billy Preston and stuff to [TS]

  come do but he was those guys were all [TS]

  coming and doing like flashy bits over [TS]

  the top of his key piano that is on [TS]

  every Rolling Stones record so he is the [TS]

  bees in the bane on a heartbreaker none [TS]

  of us have ever heard of him [TS]

  because his face was wrong and Andrew [TS]

  Loog Oldham was like uh sorry I mean you [TS]

  still need a piano player but and you're [TS]

  great and so and it's another one of [TS]

  these you know if you put Keith Richards [TS]

  on a camera and you say like what do you [TS]

  think of Sheryl Crow Keith Richards be [TS]

  like Oh shallow crush she's a fag she's [TS]

  the brightest and so he's an he's in [TS]

  that category of offering a plot it's [TS]

  free in Stuart well no he would he'd be [TS]

  like Oh according to Dawood Aryan he was [TS]

  on honky tonk women look at that Stewart [TS]

  loaded gear into his van drove the group [TS]

  to gigs replaced guitar strings and set [TS]

  up Wasa's drums the way he himself would [TS]

  play them I never ever swore at him [TS]

  Watts says with rueful amazement ya [TS]

  never swore at him I never swore at him [TS]

  once I swore at everybody else [TS]

  is the implication well he [TS]

  reasons I'm sure everyone everyone else [TS]

  that ever setup my drums I swore out [TS]

  let's do heroin in France it'll be fun [TS]

  you guys can live on the other side of [TS]

  the island it'll be great I just I feel [TS]

  like I he played he played on the [TS]

  Rolling Stones best track which is under [TS]

  cover of the night Wow this may need to [TS]

  be a bonus episode Harlem shuffle the [TS]

  empirically greatest Rolling Stones song [TS]

  is rocks off Harlem shuffle and it's got [TS]

  that like it's got that's where we're [TS]

  learning that Brown now that's where I [TS]

  learned that yeah I disagree but yeah [TS]

  the sunshine towards the daylights out [TS]

  of me [TS]

  everyone is entitled to their thing [TS]

  that's the thing about the internet now [TS]

  the O opinion is different from any [TS]

  other all all animals are alike we're [TS]

  all on equal footing at this point I [TS]

  have what feels like at this point every [TS]

  opinion is the same that your fear [TS]

  feeling that rocks off is the best [TS]

  Rolling Stone song yeah [TS]

  which in the past would have been [TS]

  demonstrably false now that science [TS]

  doesn't matter anymore [TS]

  now that could be just as it could be [TS]

  taken as just as true as my opinion that [TS]

  sway is the greatest Rolling Stone song [TS]

  sway sway is a very good song which is [TS]

  totally true unimpeachably that's got a [TS]

  groove it's got a groove to it oh oh [TS]

  breaks my heart still every time yeah [TS]

  and it feels like they're playing like a [TS]

  little bit behind the beat a little bit [TS]

  it's got a what girl songs dance some [TS]

  good songs they had some good songs for [TS]

  sure [TS]

  The Rolling Stones did yeah they do well [TS]

  I yeah you know there are no Beatles [TS]

  well now now what about nobody's there [TS]

  no Hitler they're somewhere in between [TS]

  what about Roger Daltrey's inferiority [TS]

  complex [TS]

  do you ever dwell on that I think it is [TS]

  justified okay [TS]

  maybe it right there [TS]