Hello Internet

◼   ► saying as you and I are both wearing

◼   ► hello internet merchandise at the moment

◼   ► you wearing a reunion swamp in t-shirt

◼   ► and me that mighty nailing gear who it

◼   ► does remind me of a question I've been

◼   ► meaning to ask you for a while yeah I

◼   ► don't want to put you on the spot here

◼   ► but I am I had made for you and had sent

◼   ► to you Oh a pair of hello Internet

◼   ► limited edition sneakers Oh

◼   ► oh yes I didn't really expect you to

◼   ► wear them cuz you know you're you but

◼   ► I'm curious as to what's happened to

◼   ► them well I mean Brady I I think you

◼   ► know I'm a real sneaker head I'm a big

◼   ► fan of collecting sneakers yeah one of

◼   ► the things when you're in the sneaker

◼   ► head world or the sneaker verse as we

◼   ► call it right is you you want to keep

◼   ► your really special sneakers in mint

◼   ► condition

◼   ► yeah absolute pristine mint condition

◼   ► suniverse is a good name as well who

◼   ► universe I'll pass that on to the other

◼   ► sneaker heads and see okay see how that

◼   ► gets accepted on the ICQ where we chat

◼   ► don't get me wrong I mean I have a pair

◼   ► I wear and a second pair in mint

◼   ► condition so I have my mint condition

◼   ► pair I'm just wondering where your mint

◼   ► condition pair is oh you want to know

◼   ► where it is yeah I don't think you're

◼   ► wearing them okay it's pride of place in

◼   ► the house Brady they're in a box which

◼   ► is behind my laundry hamper so that it

◼   ► is as safe and as protected an item can

◼   ► be in the house

◼   ► if robbers were ever to show up they

◼   ► won't find the hello internet sneakers

◼   ► I'm impressed they're in the house I'm

◼   ► happy with that I'll take that do you

◼   ► feel like that's a victory yeah

◼   ► did you honestly think Brady that I

◼   ► might tell you that I had thrown away

◼   ► the hello internet sneakers that you

◼   ► have lovingly handmade well I didn't

◼   ► think you'd tell me you had but I still

◼   ► think there is a chance you have I think

◼   ► it's more likely you've read them like

◼   ► you sent them to a relative or someone

◼   ► who listens to the show mm-hmm with my

◼   ► same shoe size is that who I would send

◼   ► it to well yeah I imagine you must have

◼   ► some relative with the same same shoe

◼   ► size as you probably yeah family trees

◼   ► are quite extensive but now you haven't

◼   ► reqif didn't know they're in my house

◼   ► they

◼   ► Henry gifted they are in mint condition

◼   ► and shall remain so for ever I think

◼   ► maybe I have been ever mint condition

◼   ► conundrum at the moment hmm because for

◼   ► my birthday which was back in June

◼   ► mm-hmm I really wanted the Saturn 5 Lego

◼   ► rocket that was released around that

◼   ► time with 1969 pieces it was one of the

◼   ► most impressive Lego things I'd ever

◼   ► seen so I said to my wife because she

◼   ► never knows what to get me for my

◼   ► birthday I said that's what I want

◼   ► mm-hmm so she got it for me I was over

◼   ► the moon I was very pleased with it but

◼   ► I haven't made it partly because I

◼   ► haven't had time but also like I like

◼   ► that it's in its box and in mint

◼   ► condition and like I kind of like the

◼   ► box and like knowing that all the pieces

◼   ► of it and they're all beautifully

◼   ► arranged and and I kind of don't want to

◼   ► make it I'm seriously wondering if it's

◼   ► still on sale whether I should buy a

◼   ► second one so I can make one and keep

◼   ► one in mint condition in a box as like a

◼   ► display think I have some follow-up

◼   ► questions here Brady hmm I feel like I

◼   ► have ended up with a mint condition item

◼   ► in my house through a series of

◼   ► extraordinary circumstances but yeah

◼   ► I've started a podcast with a friend

◼   ► that podcast ended up creating

◼   ► merchandise straight from the brain of

◼   ► my friend who shipped some right to my

◼   ► house it's not ordinary circumstances

◼   ► that such a thing would exist

◼   ► yeah you however are looking to

◼   ► intentionally have a mint condition Lego

◼   ► box and I'm imagining this is quite a

◼   ► big Lego box like what's the size of

◼   ► this thing I would say it's about the

◼   ► size of two cake boxes two or three cake

◼   ► boxes how the cake box as compared to

◼   ► bread baskets I don't know this measure

◼   ► you know the hello internet sneaker box

◼   ► yes it's about the size of three of them

◼   ► okay I have a sense of that but for the

◼   ► listeners those who did not acquire

◼   ► hello internet sneakers how many

◼   ► Audrey's is the box

◼   ► how many Audrey's could you fit inside

◼   ► the box that's the standard measure we

◼   ► use here

◼   ► you could probably fit three to four

◼   ► Audrey's in the box all right the audrey

◼   ► has been packing on the pounds lately

◼   ► that's good

◼   ► my mental estimate here is you could fit

◼   ► ten arteries in but you must be really

◼   ► it depends on how tightly you pack them

◼   ► and and how much she's been putting on

◼   ► the weight oh so I'm aware that these

◼   ► Lego things if they're unboxed have a

◼   ► greater resale value like years later

◼   ► but I never sell these things anyway so

◼   ► I don't really think that's my reason I

◼   ► don't think it's a financial

◼   ► consideration I think it's just for

◼   ► liking the neatness and the beauty of an

◼   ► unboxed awesome thing right you're not

◼   ► investing in Legos here no no and I just

◼   ► feel like the boxed rocket and made just

◼   ► feels like a nicer thing to me than if I

◼   ► made it like if I made it I'm just gonna

◼   ► have this big rocker that obviously is

◼   ► made of Lego mm-hmm and like I don't

◼   ► know where I'd put that or how I'd feel

◼   ► about that whereas I really like the box

◼   ► I just like how the Box looks and I like

◼   ► knowing what's in it and I can't explain

◼   ► it I know it's a bit weird I'm trying

◼   ► very hard to understand and maybe I have

◼   ► used this analogy before when I when I

◼   ► try to think of these kinds of things

◼   ► but the closest I can come is the

◼   ► promise of unused stationery like an

◼   ► unwritten in notebook that is true it is

◼   ► the promise of what you could write in

◼   ► there as opposed to what you actually do

◼   ► which which just doesn't live up to the

◼   ► ideal that analogy is good beyond what

◼   ► you know because when I was a school

◼   ► mm-hmm in year 3 mm-hmm so I must have

◼   ► been what like around 8 years old or

◼   ► something

◼   ► mm-hmm yes but right my year 3 teacher

◼   ► who I still remember was mrs. delbridge

◼   ► and she had this diary which was a

◼   ► five-year diary you could keep five

◼   ► years in it because of the way the pages

◼   ► were configured like oh five years

◼   ► schedule do you mean like a calendar for

◼   ► five years yeah it was basically yeah

◼   ► okay especially what I was I had a

◼   ► little lock on and I was completely

◼   ► besotted by it mm-hmm and it was the

◼   ► prize for the student who did the best

◼   ► work in their journal that year we had

◼   ► like a daily journal we had to write

◼   ► stuff in it

◼   ► I was just obsessed with winning it and

◼   ► it was going to be given at the end of

◼   ► the year and while most of the kids

◼   ► didn't care about the journal and would

◼   ► write stuff about like what they did

◼   ► last night or what they watched on TV or

◼   ► you know what they did in the holidays I

◼   ► decided to turn my journal into like a

◼   ► spy novel which I just wrote each day

◼   ► and it was this fictional story about

◼   ► this spy having all these adventures he

◼   ► was called I am I don't know why I

◼   ► called him okay it was this epic tale

◼   ► spanning to exercise books and there was

◼   ► one other girl in the class who kept a

◼   ► really good journal and she had much

◼   ► better handwriting than me of course she

◼   ► also really wanted to win it and I was

◼   ► convinced that she was gonna win it and

◼   ► I still remember at the end of the year

◼   ► mrs. Dilber sang and the winner of the

◼   ► Diary is and she opened up the page and

◼   ► my name had been written in the front

◼   ► where it said this belongs to

◼   ► then I'd won the five-year diary which

◼   ► I'd wanted all year so I took it home

◼   ► and I thought this is amazing this is I

◼   ► finally got it it's mine I've coveted

◼   ► this for so long and I never ever wrote

◼   ► in it or did anything with it because I

◼   ► was too scared to ruin the beautiful

◼   ► empty diary I didn't want to sully it so

◼   ► for the next three or four years I just

◼   ► kept this five-year diary thinking next

◼   ► year maybe I'll start it when I when my

◼   ► handwriting's better and I know I won't

◼   ► ruin it as I said your handwriting will

◼   ► never be good enough to live up to the

◼   ► idea of the diary yeah especially the

◼   ► longer you have it as it has gone on for

◼   ► two years it becomes like oh well now I

◼   ► really need to have something great to

◼   ► write in this thing yeah it's like if

◼   ► you're keeping a bottle of champagne for

◼   ► a special occasion the longer you go

◼   ► without drinking the special allure the

◼   ► occasion needs to be in order to drink

◼   ► that champagne like well we haven't

◼   ► drank this for two years now it has to

◼   ► be an amazing event you sort of say

◼   ► critize an object by not using it that's

◼   ► it that's what's happening to the rocket

◼   ► mm-hmm say critizing anta yeah I think

◼   ► that is what what's happening my

◼   ► strategy for this at least with paper

◼   ► stationery because I used to use paper

◼   ► notebooks all the time

◼   ► I can used always have a paper notebook

◼   ► with me I used to write in paper

◼   ► notebooks for all kinds of projects and

◼   ► the stationery used to be a much bigger

◼   ► part of my life than it currently is but

◼   ► I was always aware of feeling that

◼   ► feeling about oh my dumb ideas are not

◼   ► worthy of this pristine book and so my

◼   ► strategy was to just every time I got a

◼   ► notebook intentionally just scribble all

◼   ► over the first page like okay now it's

◼   ► fine because there's no this first page

◼   ► needs to be the opening lines of war in

◼   ► peace

◼   ► I am Dees a critizing but maybe it's

◼   ► like degrading the notebook down to my

◼   ► normal human level I was like okay well

◼   ► now I can write sullying it when I got

◼   ► my new iPhone the other day the first

◼   ► day I had I happened to go to the gym

◼   ► and when I go to the gym I give my phone

◼   ► and my car keys and my wallet to my

◼   ► trainer and he goes into like a back

◼   ► locked room and puts them in his gym bag

◼   ► mm-hmm so I said I've got a new phone

◼   ► and I hand it over to him and I said can

◼   ► you just be careful when you put it in

◼   ► that the keys like scratch up against

◼   ► the phone Lou and I never say things

◼   ► like that

◼   ► he looked at me funny and I said I just

◼   ► got the phone today and you know I don't

◼   ► want to scratch it and he was like I had

◼   ► no problems I understand I'll be really

◼   ► careful when I put it in my bag mm-hmm I

◼   ► went back to the gym two days later and

◼   ► handed over my stuff to him and he said

◼   ► I'll be careful and I said don't care

◼   ► any more seriously as the half-life of

◼   ► it was to the iPhone is sacred for a day

◼   ► and after that I don't care but the

◼   ► first day you have it you know you're

◼   ► polishing it on your t-shirt all the

◼   ► time to make sure there's no

◼   ► fingerprints on it and making sure it's

◼   ► so beautiful and then two days later it

◼   ► was like yeah

◼   ► chuck it in it's just my phone now so

◼   ► after there's big conversation about how

◼   ► sacred

◼   ► your unopened box of Lego is what do you

◼   ► think you're going to do here braiding

◼   ► it's still open I don't know what you

◼   ► might have to do is buy the second box

◼   ► hmm

◼   ► build the Lego Saturn rocket and then

◼   ► display the Lego Saturn rocket on top of

◼   ► the box

◼   ► with the other one what will I do with

◼   ► the empty box will you'll throw that one

◼   ► away have you seen how gorgeous the box

◼   ► is this is the point in these

◼   ► conversations Brady where I feel like

◼   ► I've tried to work with you but now it's

◼   ► too far you're gonna keep two identical

◼   ► boxes of a lego Construction Set in your

◼   ► head that's what you're gonna do that's

◼   ► the ultimate idea when you were going to

◼   ► buy the second one is that you're going

◼   ► to keep the two boxes because they're

◼   ► beautiful okay but you know that's crazy

◼   ► right it would be a difficult box to

◼   ► throw away that's all I'm saying I don't

◼   ► know man I feel like we're getting close

◼   ► to an episode of Hoarders when you're

◼   ► telling me that you're gonna keep both

◼   ► of the boxes of the Saturn 5 rocket when

◼   ► you both

◼   ► yeah tell me I have a second one don't

◼   ► tie me up that your plan is when you get

◼   ► the second vote you're going to keep it

◼   ► I don't know man

◼   ► I could go along with the constructed

◼   ► rocket in front of or on top of the box

◼   ► of the unopened one but that's a keep

◼   ► the two boxes like I don't know I don't

◼   ► know what to say to you yeah I don't

◼   ► know him what why it's gonna go because

◼   ► while they are nice it is a nice box it

◼   ► is a little bit childish so it's not

◼   ► really in keeping with the look of my

◼   ► office you know with the nice green

◼   ► walls and lovely framed pictures so but

◼   ► it's your office your office is what you

◼   ► want to make it you can have Lego

◼   ► Rockets in your office if you want to

◼   ► yeah but I want it to have a certain

◼   ► grown-up look as well right of course

◼   ► go on and look do you know quite often

◼   ► when I go through feedback like in the

◼   ► emails and on the reddit and stuff like

◼   ► that I do enjoy it and I am grateful for

◼   ► it but it always feels quite like

◼   ► sometimes it feels a bit antagonistic

◼   ► there is a certain heat to it that

◼   ► sometimes can rile you up or you don't

◼   ► enjoy especially when people are

◼   ► disagreeing on things or disagreeing

◼   ► with us it's like manner because you

◼   ► know they feel frustrated because they

◼   ► can't get their say to us we're gonna

◼   ► feel a bit frustrated because we can't

◼   ► answer all their comments I've been

◼   ► going through a lot of the feedback on

◼   ► which is better the moon landing or the

◼   ► Mars landing

◼   ► oh the which is more impressive and

◼   ► there's been lots of discussion about it

◼   ► yeah their hands their hands and both

◼   ► views are be important you know what

◼   ► I've completely enjoyed it mm-hmm I've

◼   ► enjoyed the tone of it

◼   ► I've enjoyed both sides of the argument

◼   ► I still think I'm right of course and

◼   ► the moon landing is more impressive than

◼   ► the Mars landing but I've enjoyed what

◼   ► the Mars landing people have had to say

◼   ► I've enjoyed engaging with a little bit

◼   ► of it it's been one of the more

◼   ► enjoyable bits of civilized feedback and

◼   ► discussions we've had as a result of the

◼   ► show that's nice to hear baby hmm there

◼   ► is also always the problem when you're

◼   ► going through feedback if you've made

◼   ► anything online and then people are

◼   ► leaving comments and I feel like this is

◼   ► also one of the fundamental problems of

◼   ► the Internet is that there is no

◼   ► indication of tone of how the person is

◼   ► saying the other thing I think it's very

◼   ► easy when you're reading feedback that

◼   ► is critical of you that the the narrator

◼   ► in your head

◼   ► for the comment that you're reading has

◼   ► angry tone which might not at all be

◼   ► what the person is intending which of

◼   ► course is why we have a proliferation of

◼   ► emoticons and smiley faces everywhere

◼   ► but at least on on Reddit and YouTube

◼   ► like the emoji encroachment has not

◼   ► reached their to a full extent so I

◼   ► think it can be hard to understand how

◼   ► did the person mean the comment but I'm

◼   ► very happy that you've been enjoying the

◼   ► Moon vs Mars feedback I also enjoy all

◼   ► those comment threads I still think that

◼   ► Mars is more impressive to me but I felt

◼   ► myself a bit swayed by the idea that for

◼   ► humans on the long scale the moon is

◼   ► objectively more impressive I felt

◼   ► myself pulled in that direction by the

◼   ► feedback yeah I think maybe the reason

◼   ► I've found it so easy reading the

◼   ► feedback is my assuredness that I'm

◼   ► right hahaha

◼   ► maybe it's that you're so confident in

◼   ► your opinion that it's just like oh yeah

◼   ► there's no there's no arguing with a

◼   ► Brady on this oh so there was another

◼   ► big space event since we last recorded

◼   ► and this was the Cassini space probe

◼   ► which had been doing the business around

◼   ► Saturn for years now and send you back

◼   ► all these great photos mm-hmm that

◼   ► mission finally came to its end and it

◼   ► was sent plunging into the atmosphere of

◼   ► Saturn for a big dramatic finale because

◼   ► they didn't want to leave it just you

◼   ► know cruising around the orbit of Saturn

◼   ► as space junk yeah basically and I have

◼   ► in the past been critical of height and

◼   ► space sheer pressure and things like

◼   ► that movie and admittedly when this was

◼   ► happening I did go on Twitter and I was

◼   ► a little bit naughty and made a few

◼   ► provocative tweets just for fun but I

◼   ► will say overall I thought the level of

◼   ► Cassini hype in my timeline at least in

◼   ► the social media I was saying was

◼   ► pitched just perfect it was right this

◼   ► time I was very pleased

◼   ► I thought the mainstream media may be

◼   ► slightly under played it but of course a

◼   ► space note is always going to think that

◼   ► but the space cheerleaders around the

◼   ► place I thought it was about right you

◼   ► know they were passionate and emotional

◼   ► and I teased them about it a little bit

◼   ► on the Twitter particularly when I said

◼   ► that taking nice pictures of Saturn is

◼   ► low-hanging fruit

◼   ► but overall I thought it was about right

◼   ► and I wish they're all science events

◼   ► were treated about that tone

◼   ► there was a proportional response you

◼   ► think taking pictures of Saturdays

◼   ► low-hanging fruit yeah it's a bit oh

◼   ► we're isn't amazing we got these

◼   ► beautiful pictures of a satin I mean

◼   ► anyone with the 2005 Nokia pointing

◼   ► vaguely in the direction of sad could

◼   ► take an amazing photo set but don't get

◼   ► me wrong I did like the scene II

◼   ► preferred the Voyager missions myself

◼   ► well you will have a Voyager man I said

◼   ► that on Twitter as well

◼   ► I said I'm more of avoid you man I was

◼   ► impressed by Cassini and it was a really

◼   ► cool mission its Voyager 2 still going

◼   ► I'm just realizing I don't know is is

◼   ► that yeah I think they're still getting

◼   ► signals from both of them there's a new

◼   ► story every few weeks that they've

◼   ► finally left the solar system as the

◼   ► definition of the solar system keeps

◼   ► changing for PR reasons really you're so

◼   ► cynical there hasn't been a void you

◼   ► left the solar system story for a few

◼   ► weeks and actually so I'm sure we can

◼   ► redefine the edge of the sun's magneto

◼   ► sphere once again has the true edge of

◼   ► the solar system so we can get that

◼   ► story and just quickly can I praised

◼   ► SpaceX for a minute and you're trying to

◼   ► win over our commenters Brady I think

◼   ► they did something I like credit where

◼   ► credit's due

◼   ► they posted a YouTube video montage of

◼   ► their greatest failures and crashes it

◼   ► was this brilliant montage of rockets

◼   ► exploding and everything that went wrong

◼   ► and I really enjoyed it I thought it was

◼   ► really cool and I liked that they were

◼   ► able to take the mickey out of himself

◼   ► in that way it hacked back to a famous

◼   ► scene in the film the right stuff where

◼   ► they show a whole bunch of rocket

◼   ► failures so maybe - and the stage would

◼   ► kick in again but it was a really cool

◼   ► video this was on the official channel

◼   ► they published a compilation of their

◼   ► failures yes

◼   ► is this it how not to land an orbital

◼   ► rocket booster it probably is yeah you

◼   ► know what I've got to give a company

◼   ► credit for doing that kind of thing yeah

◼   ► I mean to be fair if you've got that

◼   ► incredible sexy footage why not use it

◼   ► because there's not many things more

◼   ► amazing to look at then a rocket going

◼   ► wrong but still some companies would not

◼   ► couch it in this way so good on them I'm

◼   ► watching the video now it's pretty good

◼   ► and it certainly helps if these are all

◼   ► unmanned

◼   ► rockets yeah it did occur to me that the

◼   ► first time something goes wrong with a

◼   ► rocket with a person on it that this

◼   ► video is gonna maybe come back to bite

◼   ► them on the backside which is why the

◼   ► companies would do it that's exactly it

◼   ► you're putting something out there in

◼   ► the world for people to hold against you

◼   ► but I'll give a company credit for doing

◼   ► that kind of thing this is definitely

◼   ► some impressive explosions yeah they're

◼   ► nice nice footage I'll put it in the

◼   ► show notes for people to watch so

◼   ► speaking of your approval of the Cassini

◼   ► news coverage there's something I want

◼   ► to touch on from two shows ago there was

◼   ► a topic that came up briefly and it was

◼   ► when you were discussing the overhyped

◼   ► eclipse in America yeah the eclipse of

◼   ► the millennium I believe was what it was

◼   ► being called I know when you're poking

◼   ► me on purpose I'm not even gonna bother

◼   ► correct was that because they're not

◼   ► right I might be mistaken I don't know

◼   ► by the way I do realize when you'd like

◼   ► to deliberately say things wrong like a

◼   ► dad you know who does it just to whine

◼   ► the kids up okay you keep not

◼   ► understanding what akka means I do know

◼   ► you do that on purpose by the way

◼   ► oh I understand what akka mean it's

◼   ► great I think I understand I got better

◼   ► than you I think you're too close to it

◼   ► and you can't understand what akka

◼   ► really is all right but yes I was

◼   ► critical of the eclipse of the century

◼   ► hype coming from our friends across the

◼   ► Atlantic yeah so you made some comments

◼   ► about the American centric nests of

◼   ► American news and speaking of feedback

◼   ► in the comments there were about a

◼   ► bazillion comments in the reddit where

◼   ► people were jumping on this bandwagon

◼   ► about how American centric the news is

◼   ► and I am NOT one to defend the news

◼   ► people might be aware of that but this

◼   ► is one case we didn't touch upon it at

◼   ► the time but I have to say reading the

◼   ► comments where people were complaining

◼   ► about how American centric the news in

◼   ► America is I'm fine with that

◼   ► of all of the myriad of things I could

◼   ► complain about American news the fact

◼   ► that it focuses on America is like the

◼   ► most minor of complaints that could

◼   ► possibly be I think it's actually

◼   ► totally justified for example there was

◼   ► a comment that I'm I'm sort of picking

◼   ► at random but I think works well as an

◼   ► example where there was someone from

◼   ► Brazil who was complaining about having

◼   ► moved to America that nobody in America

◼   ► knows anything about

◼   ► right that it never comes up on the

◼   ► American news they were you know sort of

◼   ► making fun of Americans for saying

◼   ► Americans would ask him if he speaks

◼   ► Brazilian as a question about like

◼   ► what's what's Brazil like or not knowing

◼   ► where in the world Brazil is that's like

◼   ► I kind of get that it's funny to make

◼   ► fun of Americans for not knowing these

◼   ► things but what I was thinking about was

◼   ► I was trying to think okay what is to

◼   ► Brazil as Brazil is to America

◼   ► how do we measure the different sizes of

◼   ► countries and this may not be a perfect

◼   ► comparison but I thought I think you

◼   ► could use the GDP of a country as a

◼   ► rough first order approximation for how

◼   ► important is it in the world I'm not

◼   ► saying that's a perfect measure but I

◼   ► think we can ballpark that yeah and it

◼   ► works out just about perfectly that the

◼   ► Brazilian GDP is one-tenth the size of

◼   ► the American GDP and of course the

◼   ► United States GDP is the largest in the

◼   ► world by a pretty decent margin so the

◼   ► country that is to Brazil as Brazil is

◼   ► to the United States is a country like

◼   ► the Czech Republic or Romania and I just

◼   ► kind of would love to know how often the

◼   ► goings-on of Romania or the Czech

◼   ► Republic are in Brazilian news and if

◼   ► someone from Romania could be like oh

◼   ► the Brazilian news doesn't cover Romania

◼   ► as often as they think it should but it

◼   ► would feel like well of course it

◼   ► doesn't how does the Czech Republic or

◼   ► Romania impact Brazil like not really a

◼   ► lot and so I really feel like American

◼   ► news is American centric Ness it's

◼   ► totally fine and it's a thing that I am

◼   ► very happy to defend as far as American

◼   ► news goes well maybe I didn't put my

◼   ► case properly mm-hmm I think it is ok

◼   ► for news to be parochial mm-hmm I worked

◼   ► on the newspaper in Adelaide and

◼   ► everything was about what's the Adelaide

◼   ► angle if a huge disaster happens on the

◼   ► other side of the world the first thing

◼   ► we wonder is I wonder if anyone from

◼   ► Adelaide was there Pirozhki onus is fair

◼   ► enough I think the American news does go

◼   ► too far like I think they're too

◼   ► cool I think they could just turn that

◼   ► dial down just a little bit but I'm

◼   ► alright with Pirozhki or news coverage

◼   ► because you got a play to your audience

◼   ► mm-hmm but my problem is they're kind of

◼   ► it's almost kind of like a well I hope

◼   ► it's a willful ignorance for example if

◼   ► a new building got built in America that

◼   ► was taller than every other building in

◼   ► America but it was shorter than the Burj

◼   ► Khalifa which is the tallest building in

◼   ► the world and say it was built in

◼   ► Chicago and then the American news in

◼   ► the Chicago News ran a story about this

◼   ► new building and called it the biggest

◼   ► building ever I'd be like no it's not

◼   ► the biggest building ever it's the

◼   ► biggest building in America mm-hmm

◼   ► that's like how the finals of the

◼   ► baseball in America is called the World

◼   ► Series that's the classic example isn't

◼   ► it this is not the World Series to

◼   ► decide the world champions they crowned

◼   ► the world champions of baseball every

◼   ► year based on who won a domestic us

◼   ► competition well it does include Canada

◼   ► greatly this is more where my problem is

◼   ► it's kind of this this ignorant of the

◼   ► bigger picture mm-hmm and I think that's

◼   ► the problem I think you need to know how

◼   ► you fit into the world

◼   ► I don't mind skewing the coverage and

◼   ► you know not covering every minor

◼   ► incident that happens in Romania mm-hmm

◼   ► but I think it's degrees and I think

◼   ► America goes a little bit too far there

◼   ► are some TV channels in the UK when

◼   ► they're covering the news and they try

◼   ► to be all high and mighty and be really

◼   ► international and I get really bored I

◼   ► think yeah enough of all this boring

◼   ► stuff about the stuff that's happening

◼   ► in other countries this is so worthy

◼   ► tell me why there was a big traffic jam

◼   ► on my motorway today you know I want my

◼   ► local news so you can't go too far the

◼   ► other way and be to unsend Trek but I

◼   ► think America goes the other way it's to

◼   ► America centric I want my porridge is

◼   ► just right is that too much to ask

◼   ► I mean look as a man who wants to bend

◼   ► the entire world to his will I

◼   ► understand you want your porridge just

◼   ► right I can sympathize there I think of

◼   ► a lot of this stuff in life like it I

◼   ► don't know how to articulate this very

◼   ► well but it's a bit like everything in

◼   ► life is a series of dials and it's like

◼   ► yes of course we would want the dial to

◼   ► be tuned just

◼   ► right but you can never know when it's

◼   ► tuned just right so you have to think

◼   ► about it in terms of like well what

◼   ► happens if this dial is tuned too much

◼   ► and what happens if it's tuned too

◼   ► little and think about like what are the

◼   ► consequences in in these directions

◼   ► because you just don't know where the

◼   ► exact correct setting is and I look at

◼   ► the American centric nests of American

◼   ► news and and feel mostly like well of

◼   ► course this dial is going to be turned

◼   ► way to one side and it's because the

◼   ► United States is it's like such an

◼   ► incredibly large and important

◼   ► economically in political country in the

◼   ► world and very few other countries can

◼   ► impact the United States in any

◼   ► meaningful way

◼   ► and essentially the only foreign news

◼   ► that Americans get is about the

◼   ► countries that may be able to impact the

◼   ► United States and in some way and that

◼   ► is a tiny handful of countries and to

◼   ► expect that it's much broader beyond

◼   ► that I think is kind of unreasonable

◼   ► like the stuff like the world series is

◼   ► just funny and that's why the eclipse of

◼   ► the century was a perfect example

◼   ► because as you said last time I was like

◼   ► how is this being measured like there's

◼   ► no there's no objective way it's the

◼   ► eclipse of the century except that it's

◼   ► happening right now in America like that

◼   ► stuff is funny my personal peeve is a

◼   ► kind of beating on Americans for not

◼   ► knowing about the world outside and I

◼   ► think it's because it's such an

◼   ► asymmetric relationship like people in

◼   ► other countries know all sorts of stuff

◼   ► about America because what America does

◼   ► affects those countries but Americans

◼   ► don't know about the countries that

◼   ► their policies affect because one

◼   ► there's vastly more of them and and two

◼   ► like well frankly those countries their

◼   ► actions don't really affect the United

◼   ► States nearly as much so like II just I

◼   ► just think it's not surprising that this

◼   ► is the situation that we're in that's a

◼   ► bit of a shame mm-hmm I can spare for

◼   ► shame that's something so powerful and

◼   ► that can affect so many other people is

◼   ► so unaware of those people but I hear

◼   ► argument I guess it bothers me mostly

◼   ► because I remember coming to the UK a

◼   ► long time ago and getting into

◼   ► conversations with people about how like

◼   ► oh it's amazing how you don't know

◼   ► anything about all of our countries and

◼   ► I was originally on the side of like oh

◼   ► I should I should feel totally ashamed

◼   ► by

◼   ► but then eventually I kind of changed my

◼   ► mind I'm like wait a minute what like

◼   ► why would I know the details of like how

◼   ► the politics in France works like why

◼   ► would this ever be a thing that would

◼   ► come across my attention before having

◼   ► having moved to Europe like it never

◼   ► would in any meaningful way so I

◼   ► shouldn't feel bad about not having

◼   ► known it when I showed up so I think

◼   ► that's why it's like a little personal

◼   ► thing for me I'm okay with you defending

◼   ► your countrymen but I do think one

◼   ► should strive for more information and

◼   ► more knowledge in life in all ways and

◼   ► that includes knowledge of the world and

◼   ► you know we should know how the

◼   ► electoral system in France works I don't

◼   ► but I shouldn't be proud that I don't I

◼   ► should say I wish I did I wish I knew

◼   ► everything but I do feel like a

◼   ► statement like oh we should all strive

◼   ► to know more about the world like it's

◼   ► very easy to say but it's very hard to

◼   ► agree with the specifics of what exactly

◼   ► does that mean because there's an

◼   ► infinite amount of things to know about

◼   ► absolutely everything and so if we

◼   ► accept that as a premise we immediately

◼   ► have to start filtering out almost

◼   ► everything about everything it's not

◼   ► possible to know about all of the things

◼   ► so there there has to be some sort of

◼   ► filter again that's why I'm not

◼   ► surprised that Americans they know about

◼   ► America and maybe not very much beyond

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◼   ► there's been another announcement from

◼   ► the temple the temple Apple has

◼   ► announced new iPhones for all the fans

◼   ► and I'll tell you what if you went to a

◼   ► dictionary and looked up unimpressed you

◼   ► could put a photo of me watching the

◼   ► iPhone announcement there yeah as far as

◼   ► I can tell and you set me straight if

◼   ► I'm wrong but this new iPhone don't can

◼   ► I call it iPhone X I know I'm supposed

◼   ► to call it 10 okay no let's let's get

◼   ► this on the record here I am boycotting

◼   ► the 10 they're not going along with

◼   ► their it's iPhone 10 it's like I'm sorry

◼   ► if you're gonna put the big letter X

◼   ► there I'm calling it X it's it's not

◼   ► gonna happen I Apple but I feel like

◼   ► like pulling out the X in any branding

◼   ► time it's like your big gun isn't it and

◼   ► that's like okay it's time it's time for

◼   ► the X version of whatever we've got

◼   ► mm-hmm so I expect it to be pretty

◼   ► awesome like game-changer and as far as

◼   ► I can tell this is not a game changer

◼   ► this is just more faffing around the

◼   ► edges and I think they've wasted their X

◼   ► I think they've gone early on the X

◼   ► whether it's out of desperation or they

◼   ► were just running out of time because

◼   ► they were approaching them pretend and

◼   ► they thought that was when they could

◼   ► you they had to use their X you know

◼   ► well I would argue that they had if they

◼   ► didn't want to use the 10 they could

◼   ► have had several more years

◼   ► of not using the ten right because yeah

◼   ► because they they have their little s

◼   ► their little in between years so we had

◼   ► seven they could have done seven s 8 8 s

◼   ► 9 9 s and then count to 10 so they could

◼   ► have had what was at six years I heard

◼   ► there was some technical reason they

◼   ► couldn't use 9 I find that hard to

◼   ► believe but okay

◼   ► what do I know about this stuff but

◼   ► anyway I am disappointed from what I've

◼   ► seen so far

◼   ► I'm not yearning to get one from a

◼   ► thousand pounds

◼   ► am I wrong should I want one what would

◼   ► you want the X to have what would make

◼   ► you feel like wow that's the kind of X

◼   ► you want to see in the world emojis that

◼   ► move when I fuck move my face no well

◼   ► good news for you feels like it should

◼   ► be like a new birth it should be the

◼   ► monolith descending from the sky if I

◼   ► knew the answer to that I would either

◼   ► work at Apple or I would have a really

◼   ► trendy cool designed monochrome blog

◼   ► where I wrote about it every day I'm not

◼   ► thinking of one in particular by the way

◼   ► because I don't know any of them that is

◼   ► what they all sort of seem like to me

◼   ► all these like really minimalist design

◼   ► blogs I'll tell you another thing about

◼   ► podcasters that annoys me is when they

◼   ► refer to the fact that they wrote about

◼   ► something like that's a big deal but you

◼   ► know yeah I can talk on a podcast all

◼   ► day but actually I wrote an article

◼   ► about that like suddenly that oh hang on

◼   ► you wrote an article about that well

◼   ► that's different political podcasts are

◼   ► really bad for this like political

◼   ► journalists who like just waffle about

◼   ► politics and they'll say actually I

◼   ► wrote an article about that this week

◼   ► they're probably worse than the Apple

◼   ► people for that like it's somehow now

◼   ► it's scripture cuz it's written down and

◼   ► it's more important than just waffling

◼   ► don't you think it is though Brady I

◼   ► mean this is one of the things I like

◼   ► about podcasts is I mean you and I we've

◼   ► just shown up we're having a little chat

◼   ► here even though we were just talking

◼   ► about the American centric mists of

◼   ► American news and I feel like that's a

◼   ► very different conversation than if I

◼   ► sat down and I was going to write an

◼   ► article defending that same topic right

◼   ► if you write something I think it is a

◼   ► bigger deal than - doing a podcast cuz

◼   ► in the podcast you're just talking right

◼   ► yeah okay I see what you're saying but I

◼   ► think it puts an importance on what's

◼   ► written basically just on a blog on the

◼   ► Internet into some kind of important

◼   ► fear they'd like that's not like it's

◼   ► gone through peer review

◼   ► and it's more right you're still just

◼   ► some Joker who wrote an article on a

◼   ► blog actually I wrote now - cool about

◼   ► that so now now what I'm saying like has

◼   ► more credence or something like no it

◼   ► doesn't you just also wrote down what

◼   ► you think I guess I know what you're

◼   ► saying but I still feel like they're

◼   ► very different things what is your you

◼   ► don't like your one that when they're

◼   ► simply referencing that's like oh I have

◼   ► an important piece of work and you're

◼   ► listening to a podcast and you're

◼   ► thinking like hey you're a guy listen to

◼   ► talk about politics all the time what's

◼   ► the difference if you've written it down

◼   ► versus you're talking about it it just

◼   ► sort of seems irrelevant it's like okay

◼   ► good for you i'm listening to the

◼   ► podcast like it's okay if they say like

◼   ► there's a lot of things about that that

◼   ► you know I'm not gonna say now so you

◼   ► should be the article but they just they

◼   ► just sort of say it as an aside

◼   ► oh yeah wrote an article about that and

◼   ► then they go on to regurgitate sort of

◼   ► the odd I don't know there's something

◼   ► about it that just rubs me up the wrong

◼   ► way it's like a paper cut mm-hmm

◼   ► the thing that's funny to me about this

◼   ► is I just always feel like we said

◼   ► before everything we're talking about on

◼   ► this podcast is sort of off the record

◼   ► because we're just talking like on my

◼   ► Wikipedia page I sometimes see quotes

◼   ► from things that I've said on the

◼   ► podcasts like on my own Wikipedia page

◼   ► explaining a thing and I always feel

◼   ► like weirdly annoyed by that like but it

◼   ► was just I was just talking like but now

◼   ► this quote of a thing that I just said

◼   ► offhandedly is like the representative

◼   ► thing on this topic whereas I would feel

◼   ► very differently about that if I had

◼   ► written an article and then the

◼   ► Wikipedia article was like quoting the

◼   ► article that I had written it just it

◼   ► does feel like they're very different

◼   ► things to me Brady yeah I know I know

◼   ► you feel that way that's fair enough

◼   ► and also like it is also just

◼   ► cross-promotion and I mean we often talk

◼   ► about things and I'll say I made a video

◼   ► about that it's completely extraneous to

◼   ► what we're talking about so I'm guilty

◼   ► of it too so Mia Copa you should make a

◼   ► video about it Brady I should I haven't

◼   ► made a video about the new iPhone or

◼   ► read an article about it or seen one you

◼   ► guys you have to do an unboxing really

◼   ► do you unboxing channel yet there could

◼   ► be more popular than all your other

◼   ► actually I make calculator unboxings

◼   ► we'll put a link in the show notes I

◼   ► think you should really spin that off

◼   ► into something else it could be a

◼   ► full-time dad wore f-- numberphile

◼   ► immediately is the iphone x a big deal

◼   ► this is the one time like you're really

◼   ► asking the wrong person Brady because

◼   ► I didn't actually watch the keynote this

◼   ► year I was in an extremely low Internet

◼   ► area so I haven't actually seen the

◼   ► presentation or anything I just read a

◼   ► couple of those articles afterwards

◼   ► people wrote down their thoughts to get

◼   ► a summary of what's going on I'm not

◼   ► saying people shouldn't write articles

◼   ► or write down their thoughts by the way

◼   ► like technology articles and blogs are

◼   ► not only like good I like them and I

◼   ► read them

◼   ► I'm not against writing you heard here

◼   ► first people Brady : against writing and

◼   ► there's some good ones there are a few

◼   ► people who we know who I think write

◼   ► really cool tech blogs it's when

◼   ► someone's on a podcast saying I wrote an

◼   ► article about this Azlan okay that's

◼   ► good but obviously to your podcast at

◼   ► the moment so let's talk let's have a

◼   ► little chat I feel like I've

◼   ► misrepresented myself but anyway let's

◼   ► move on to the new iPhone yeah but you

◼   ► know what thank god this is a podcast

◼   ► and people can hear that in the

◼   ► conversation as opposed to every was

◼   ► just transcribed and written in an

◼   ► article then it seems like it's

◼   ► something set in stone are confused

◼   ► thoughts about about these matters I

◼   ► don't know man like I'm not the person

◼   ► here who's gonna try to sell you on an

◼   ► iPhone X have you ordered one they're

◼   ► not able to be ordered yet but I mean

◼   ► yes I will order one as soon as I can

◼   ► but I think that is also for anyone who

◼   ► has listened to this podcast and has

◼   ► heard both of us do our various iPhone

◼   ► switches over the years in the past what

◼   ► is it now four years of this design I

◼   ► have been unhappy with and and

◼   ► frustrated with the phones at at both

◼   ► sizes so I am excited far less because

◼   ► of the technology that is in the phone

◼   ► and far more simply because oh thank god

◼   ► it's a different size after four years

◼   ► and maybe I'll like this size better

◼   ► than the phones that I've been living

◼   ► with in the past what size is this one

◼   ► what's it massage off it's in between

◼   ► the two sizes it's like a little bit

◼   ► bigger than the regular iPhone and it's

◼   ► as if that iPhone was all scream except

◼   ► obviously for that notch at the top so

◼   ► I'm hoping the fact that the screen size

◼   ► is larger if not the body size is much

◼   ► larger we'll get rid of some of my

◼   ► typing frustrations that I've had with

◼   ► the phone that is the reason that I'm

◼   ► ordering it is I feel like please let me

◼   ► like this

◼   ► if you're looking for someone to

◼   ► evangelize how technically impressive

◼   ► the iPhone X is you are with the wrong

◼   ► podcasting partner for this one I'm

◼   ► sorry baby I cannot tell you on this

◼   ► device I'm worried about the lack of the

◼   ► home button because whenever I have to

◼   ► swipe things from the bottom of my

◼   ► iPhone as it is now I'm so hopeless at

◼   ► that I'm like oh oh it takes me about

◼   ► eight goes to bring up that swipey thing

◼   ► at the bottom so if the home button is

◼   ► anything like that functionality it's

◼   ► bad news for me remember look Brady we

◼   ► all know that the future is no buttons

◼   ► all right all of the buttons go away I'm

◼   ► sure someday we won't have volume

◼   ► buttons on the side it'll be nothing but

◼   ► swipe gestures all over the place that's

◼   ► what's going to happen there you're

◼   ► passing on the iPhone X yeah 10 would

◼   ► you like it more if it was called iPhone

◼   ► Pro Brady I would suddenly be tempted if

◼   ► they cracked out the prairie I think

◼   ► this exact same phone if they said it's

◼   ► iPhone Pro you might feel the call of

◼   ► Apple tugging on your wallet yeah I'd be

◼   ► thinking oh well I'm not supposed to be

◼   ► a professional person maybe I well

◼   ► haven't I got a pro do you not Brady

◼   ► literally watch videos professionally on

◼   ► your phone is that not one of the

◼   ► primary use cases I probably will have

◼   ► to get the prayer mmm

◼   ► yeah when they do that that's when

◼   ► Apple's gonna get your money yeah did

◼   ► you hear that Apple that's how you get a

◼   ► Brady on the hook there's a few bucks to

◼   ► be made over here in the UK one customer

◼   ► waiting for the pro well we'll say I'll

◼   ► have a look at yours when you get it and

◼   ► decide from there I'll talk to you on

◼   ► the podcast about it but I won't

◼   ► actually believe what you say until

◼   ► you've written article on your blog no

◼   ► Brady the one topic that relates to

◼   ► YouTube that never stops is copyright

◼   ► copyright on YouTube is the topic that

◼   ► never ever ends and we're talking by the

◼   ► two shows ago we were talking about it

◼   ► last show with regards to h3 h3 and

◼   ► their copyright lawsuit that has gone on

◼   ► and I thought oh we've gone through the

◼   ► copyright topic we probably won't talk

◼   ► about it again but just recently another

◼   ► thing has occurred in YouTube land with

◼   ► regards to complications over copyright

◼   ► that I I thought was a tricky case

◼   ► I just kind of wanted to bring up yeah

◼   ► are you aware at all of what's been

◼   ► going on in the world of PewDiePie and

◼   ► video game copyright is this a story

◼   ► that's crossed your radar what's your

◼   ► guess I'm gonna guess no correct no idea

◼   ► what you're talking about

◼   ► yeah this is one of these funny little

◼   ► moments where I feel that we do live in

◼   ► these non-overlapping bubbles of what's

◼   ► going on in the world do you know what

◼   ► happened with bricks and negotiations in

◼   ► the last couple of days I literally

◼   ► didn't know exit negotiations I love it

◼   ► I love it but you know all about what's

◼   ► happening at a video game channel on

◼   ► YouTube this is the moment where again I

◼   ► can be very sympathetic to your position

◼   ► because I am sitting here thinking I

◼   ► kind of can't believe that as someone

◼   ► who makes their living on YouTube like

◼   ► you haven't come across this thing

◼   ► that's going on and into some way shape

◼   ► or form but obviously you haven't but

◼   ► you are you would be quite right to say

◼   ► you can't believe that is someone who

◼   ► lives in the UK and has professionally

◼   ► made videos about the politics of the UK

◼   ► I have not heard anything about brexit

◼   ► we're as bad as each other we are about

◼   ► it is there anything I need to know

◼   ► about brexit is there anything I should

◼   ► worry about Brady just before Justin

◼   ► yeah it's still a big bows up okay great

◼   ► so I haven't met anything yet than that

◼   ► all right well let me tell you about

◼   ► something that really matters it's okay

◼   ► tell me what's happening on YouTube and

◼   ► with PewDiePie I'm gonna do a very

◼   ► high-level overview of what's going on

◼   ► here because in some ways I don't think

◼   ► that the details really matter but I

◼   ► think the broad point is more

◼   ► interesting okay so PewDiePie the

◼   ► largest subscribed YouTube channel at

◼   ► the time of recordings got 50 million

◼   ► something subscribers crazy number that

◼   ► makes no sense

◼   ► he's also recently gotten in to live

◼   ► streaming so playing his games live on

◼   ► the internet and he got himself into a

◼   ► whole world of trouble by saying a very

◼   ► bad word that he shouldn't have said

◼   ► what was the word it was the N word

◼   ► Brady oh okay right yeah that doesn't go

◼   ► down well

◼   ► no it doesn't go down well he said

◼   ► nobody read but not the word nobody it

◼   ► was even naughtier met he said it

◼   ► naughty word but it wasn't that N word

◼   ► that's not the word that misaeng yeah so

◼   ► he got himself into a whole load

◼   ► yeah so now PewDiePie has made videos of

◼   ► a video game called

◼   ► fire watch right in his past he's

◼   ► recorded them they're up on his YouTube

◼   ► channel he didn't say any naughty words

◼   ► in those it was just very typical he's

◼   ► recording himself playing a video game

◼   ► and putting it up for his fans

◼   ► yeah so then what happened was the

◼   ► company that makes that video game

◼   ► because of the thing that he said on his

◼   ► livestream yeah decided to file DMCA

◼   ► takedowns against all of his videos

◼   ► featuring their content rah and he got a

◼   ► copyright strike against his channel now

◼   ► in the YouTube world getting a copyright

◼   ► strike getting an official real strike

◼   ► against your channel is a pretty big

◼   ► deal because if you get three strikes

◼   ► your channel is just totally removed

◼   ► from YouTube all of your videos are

◼   ► deleted the channels just gone I think

◼   ► they elapse after a certain amount of

◼   ► time I'm not 100% sure about that but

◼   ► getting three copyright strikes is a

◼   ► super big deal yeah I feel like this is

◼   ► right in the heart of this complicated

◼   ► topic about copyrights and also like

◼   ► YouTube getting into the like the

◼   ► business of controlling content on their

◼   ► channel and it's like while PewDiePie is

◼   ► very difficult to defend in this

◼   ► situation I think there's something

◼   ► really really dangerous and really

◼   ► chilling about a company being able to

◼   ► like selectively enforce the copyright

◼   ► on their content based on whether or not

◼   ► they like the creator or not

◼   ► when PewDiePie first uploaded these

◼   ► Firewatch videos the ones that are not

◼   ► naughty did he have their permission or

◼   ► had they just turned a blind eye to the

◼   ► copyright because it was great publicity

◼   ► from a really famous youtuber like did

◼   ► he have permission and they're removing

◼   ► it

◼   ► retrospectively like what was the status

◼   ► at the time before this n-word thing

◼   ► happened the short answer is the company

◼   ► that makes fire watch on their official

◼   ► web page have an FAQ where they say you

◼   ► can make videos about our game you can

◼   ► stream this game and you are allowed to

◼   ► monetize this game like go ahead go nuts

◼   ► okay so the the developers of the game

◼   ► did give sort of a blanket permission to

◼   ► the world of go ahead you can record

◼   ► this this video game and you can stream

◼   ► it and that was just sort of given out

◼   ► to everybody and that's part of what I

◼   ► think is this kind of dangerous thing

◼   ► that I really don't like YouTube going

◼   ► along with this of him allowing the

◼   ► company to retroactively Lee remove

◼   ► someone's content simply because they

◼   ► don't like that creator anymore there's

◼   ► something about that that feels really

◼   ► dangerous as a precedent that sets on

◼   ► YouTube and it makes me as a sometimes

◼   ► very rare game streamer a bit

◼   ► uncomfortable with how that has worked

◼   ► out I mean there's a certain

◼   ► arbitrariness to how you can enforce

◼   ► your own copyright like if the Daily

◼   ► Mail pinch one of my videos I may go to

◼   ► town and try to get money out of them

◼   ► and kick up a fuss mm-hmm but if another

◼   ► organization free boots me I might have

◼   ► been a good mood one day and do nothing

◼   ► I can see how you can be arbitrary on

◼   ► who you prosecute for lack of a better

◼   ► word for taking your material and

◼   ► Firewatch could potentially be within

◼   ► their rights if they hadn't said in the

◼   ► past this is okay so I don't think you

◼   ► can move the goalposts after you've done

◼   ► that like if PewDiePie was taking a risk

◼   ► and Firewatch had always said this is

◼   ► our game you shouldn't be streaming it

◼   ► and it turned a blind eye to PewDiePie

◼   ► for years and then one day he turned

◼   ► into a bad character and they said all

◼   ► right now we're gonna enforce like that

◼   ► would be a bit douchey but like it would

◼   ► sort of seem within the rules but if

◼   ► they have already said as you say on

◼   ► their FAQ you can stream the game

◼   ► and it was done in good faith I think

◼   ► that is very unfair it seems unfair I

◼   ► really don't like that YouTube has gone

◼   ► along with that and has issued a

◼   ► copyright strike against PewDiePie it

◼   ► seems like two entities deciding that

◼   ► that for content reasons not for the

◼   ► like official rules reasons that they're

◼   ► going to enforce the thing and that

◼   ► always just kind of makes me a little

◼   ► bit uncomfortable but it's an

◼   ► interesting situation because Let's

◼   ► Plays and people who record themselves

◼   ► playing video games on the Internet

◼   ► this is like the greatest of grey areas

◼   ► when it comes to a question of what is

◼   ► fair use and when we were talking about

◼   ► with the h3h3 lawsuit and I kept saying

◼   ► oh I think this is the bare minimum of

◼   ► what I might consider fair use under the

◼   ► rules as they were written the live

◼   ► streaming stuff and the video game

◼   ► streaming stuff is like oh my god we're

◼   ► in this fog and there's no ability to

◼   ► see in any direction where we're

◼   ► actually standing and there is like this

◼   ► I almost want to call it like a like a

◼   ► date hunt between most video game

◼   ► companies and video game streamers where

◼   ► nobody seems to want to bring up any

◼   ► kind of court case that would actually

◼   ► resolve this like it's it is astounding

◼   ► to me that this far into YouTube and

◼   ► this far into game streaming as a hugely

◼   ► popular thing there have been no court

◼   ► cases that have set any meaningful

◼   ► precedents on the concept of is

◼   ► recording yourself playing a video game

◼   ► fair use or not no companies want to

◼   ► make this move and many many companies

◼   ► take the the policy sort of like what

◼   ► you were saying before of simply not

◼   ► saying anything publicly about it it's

◼   ► very interesting I kind of wonder if

◼   ► this thing between PewDiePie and the

◼   ► company that makes Firewatch might

◼   ► actually end up becoming one of the

◼   ► first precedent-setting court cases

◼   ► depending on how far Firewatch wants to

◼   ► take it but the very concept of should

◼   ► someone recording themselves playing a

◼   ► video game count as fair use is a thing

◼   ► that I feel like I have no ability to

◼   ► come to a decision on that even as

◼   ► someone who has streamed him

◼   ► of playing video games I will happily

◼   ► acknowledge that that feels like it's in

◼   ► a really big gray area about how much of

◼   ► this content is like transformative

◼   ► versus how much of it is just showing

◼   ► what the game developers themselves have

◼   ► created so gray as you know I haven't

◼   ► been following this debate but I do know

◼   ► that PewDiePie is not famous for being

◼   ► silent on such matters

◼   ► has he been kicking up a ruckus and

◼   ► saying this is an outrage and going to

◼   ► the mattresses he's made a few videos

◼   ► about it but of course that's his stock

◼   ► in trade

◼   ► he's a controversial character and then

◼   ► he gets to make videos about his own

◼   ► controversies which become popular as

◼   ► well said the guys that are still doing

◼   ► feedback an error to the episode look

◼   ► you know everything feeds on itself in

◼   ► some way or another brady but yeah of

◼   ► course he's taken the position as well

◼   ► that it's that the copyright strike is

◼   ► ridiculous and that he had permission

◼   ► from from Firewatch but that's exactly

◼   ► the position that you would expect him

◼   ► to take I mean my initial thought like a

◼   ► minute ago I was thinking maybe this is

◼   ► just like for show you know like a PR

◼   ► thing and it's just like you know that

◼   ► when you get officially sanctioned and

◼   ► no one's really angry anyone but you

◼   ► said the videos have been taken down too

◼   ► so his Firewatch videos were taken down

◼   ► he got the DMCA copyright strike and the

◼   ► thing that I find a little bit a little

◼   ► bit in this like threatening kind of way

◼   ► is that the developer of fire watch was

◼   ► on Twitter and was calling for other

◼   ► developers to issue copyright strikes

◼   ► retro actively against PewDiePie and

◼   ► it's like man you only need two other

◼   ► people to do that and if he gets three

◼   ► copyright strikes at once like his whole

◼   ► channel goes yeah they're not gonna do

◼   ► that to him you cheap won't let that

◼   ► happen to their biggest channel well

◼   ► this is a topic for another time but

◼   ► let's just say I would personally

◼   ► suspect that YouTube might not shed a

◼   ► tear if PewDiePie of all people were no

◼   ► longer the number one youtuber on their

◼   ► platform I don't think YouTube would be

◼   ► crying themselves to sleep at night

◼   ► thinking oh cutie pie he was the one

◼   ► that we wanted to hold up our brand to

◼   ► the world fair enough and I think

◼   ► YouTube would be way more happy if

◼   ► someone like Casey Neistat became the

◼   ► number one person and then was the

◼   ► representative of YouTube to the world

◼   ► well objectivity or objectivity of

◼   ► course there's the finalist list

◼   ► those things it's which one do they

◼   ► think they should have represent YouTube

◼   ► itself cave

◼   ► Kate's famous cave yeah so great what

◼   ► are you gonna do what does this mean for

◼   ► CGP player whatever you've killed your

◼   ► mom Chell my incredible gaming Chapel

◼   ► what happens now is this gonna scare you

◼   ► off you're gonna like a little

◼   ► frightened rabbit are you gonna run back

◼   ► into your hole and not make any more of

◼   ► those truck things driving channels

◼   ► things well luckily my CTV plays live

◼   ► streaming channel is a trivial portion

◼   ► of the massive empire that is gray

◼   ► industries yeah so from a like a

◼   ► personal perspective I don't have to

◼   ► worry about that because it's a it's a

◼   ► separate thing it's not connected to my

◼   ► main industry right you've got it you've

◼   ► got it registered like on the Isle of

◼   ► Wight or something I guess I think

◼   ► that's exactly right oh the bank

◼   ► accounts are offshore yeah yeah it's in

◼   ► a trust the Isle of Wight that's

◼   ► actually owning a company in the Bahamas

◼   ► right yeah we have three trustees yeah

◼   ► it's a very secure situation so the

◼   ► people who make Euro Truck Simulator

◼   ► aren't gonna be able to get their hands

◼   ► on the main channel Dulles no that's

◼   ► they're all quarantined yes it's very

◼   ► good but it really is like when I

◼   ► started doing that just for fun the

◼   ► whole copyright issue around this I

◼   ► really do find sort of fascinating

◼   ► because a lot of the argument for why

◼   ► let's play video should should be fair

◼   ► use is that the streamers will argue

◼   ► it's a kind of performance it's like

◼   ► well yes yeah the thing that you're

◼   ► looking at on the screen is content

◼   ► that's created by somebody else but

◼   ► there is a performance that is occurring

◼   ► on top of it look if I went out and

◼   ► bought at a desk juggling balls and made

◼   ► a video of me juggling added s couldn't

◼   ► say hey those are our juggling balls

◼   ► right you know I was just using their

◼   ► thing from our performance right he's

◼   ► like oh they have a copyrighted sequence

◼   ► of colours on them or the pattern right

◼   ► so it's like the Eiffel Tower at night

◼   ► you know he can't you can't photograph

◼   ► it yeah this is the argument that the

◼   ► performance makes it transformative but

◼   ► then of course like with all of these

◼   ► things there is this slider that goes

◼   ► from red letter media being totally

◼   ► transformative down to the h3 h3 video

◼   ► which is like minimally transformative

◼   ► and you have stuff that's in between

◼   ► there and Euro Truck Simulator or like

◼   ► driving American Truck Simulator when

◼   ► I'm doing that there are reasonably

◼   ► large portions where I'm simply not

◼   ► saying anything then all of a sudden we

◼   ► get to this very strange situation where

◼   ► it's like okay what is occurring on the

◼   ► screen here it's like well a man is

◼   ► driving a pretend truck on a pretend

◼   ► Road and he's saying nothing is this

◼   ► transformative I would say it's not

◼   ► transformative at all but it's also just

◼   ► a virtual representation of a real Road

◼   ► like does anybody own the copyright to

◼   ► this road that we're driving along all

◼   ► not not really it's so hard to

◼   ► understand is this fair use and I think

◼   ► is another another example of the

◼   ► internet really changing and distorting

◼   ► what these laws were originally written

◼   ► for and you end up in all sorts of

◼   ► situations where it's hard to understand

◼   ► how this stuff should apply and and I

◼   ► can't come down with any clear decision

◼   ► in my mind about should stuff like Let's

◼   ► Plays be considered fair use or not I

◼   ► think a lot of the companies that are

◼   ► making games don't want to push that

◼   ► issue either I think they're very happy

◼   ► with this date hunt of not saying

◼   ► anything but I think that this Firewatch

◼   ► thing is the first little breakdown in

◼   ► maybe this day tante can't last forever

◼   ► and at at some point someone is going to

◼   ► have to force the issue and the courts

◼   ► will have to decide whether gameplay is

◼   ► fair use or not can I just ask a quick

◼   ► thing about the truck simulator game

◼   ► yeah I haven't watched a lot of your

◼   ► playing videos but I've occasionally

◼   ► dipped in once or twice when I've seen

◼   ► people saying you know your pause

◼   ► playing now on Twitter mhm

◼   ► every time I look at you playing that

◼   ► game you seem to be crashing the truck

◼   ► into stuff yeah but are you good at it

◼   ► am I just happening to watch at times

◼   ► when you're making mistakes or because

◼   ► every time I've watched you play it

◼   ► you're dreadful at it now I want to get

◼   ► this on the record I'm very good at that

◼   ► game know that the problem is that

◼   ► you're drunk no Brady although I will

◼   ► say if you ever want to see an actual

◼   ► demonstration of how much alcohol

◼   ► effects you play a truck simulator game

◼   ► because sometimes I play the game on the

◼   ► couch like when my wife and I are just

◼   ► sort of watching TV and I like to have

◼   ► it as a mindless thing to do with my

◼   ► hands and it is very noticeable like

◼   ► hilariously noticeable that what I would

◼   ► consider to be a minimal amount of

◼   ► alcohol like oh I have had a glass

◼   ► of wine surely I don't feel like I'm

◼   ► affected this doesn't affect me at all

◼   ► is like truck simulator says different

◼   ► like it's it is fascinating to say as I

◼   ► Wow

◼   ► I would not have guessed that my

◼   ► reflexes were different but they sure

◼   ► are different but now when I'm

◼   ► live-streaming it's it's a different

◼   ► thing simply because there's a whole

◼   ► bunch of stuff going on and they're

◼   ► people chatting like they're people who

◼   ► are interacting with me and so when I

◼   ► crash it's because people have

◼   ► distracted me in the chat you're like

◼   ► texting and driving that is exactly

◼   ► what's happening when you see me

◼   ► crashing on the Euro Truck Simulator I'm

◼   ► not drinking it is an advertisement for

◼   ► how bad texting and driving is because

◼   ► that's essentially what's occurring

◼   ► there don't text and drive kids you'll

◼   ► crash seriously don't this it's such a

◼   ► bad thing yeah it's it's horrific

◼   ► I'm serious grey it's bad man I'm deadly

◼   ► serious as well yeah I've seen a bunch

◼   ► of studies saying that it is as bad or

◼   ► worse than drinking a frequent topic on

◼   ► the podcast uber I think that that is

◼   ► one thing I will I will give drivers

◼   ► really harsh ratings for us if they're

◼   ► texting while driving yeah and I did it

◼   ► recently I gave a dude one-star and

◼   ► contacted uber about that this dude was

◼   ► driving dangerously because he was he

◼   ► was texting through an intersection I

◼   ► was like okay forget it

◼   ► I wouldn't put up with it if you were

◼   ► drinking through this intersection so

◼   ► I'm certainly gonna write it up if you

◼   ► were texting through an intersection I'm

◼   ► off a bit now gray oh really

◼   ► what are you doing there's not lift in

◼   ► the UK he's there now I'm walking uh

◼   ► what are you doing I don't know yeah I

◼   ► just got him black cabs the other day I

◼   ► was going to install lifts I didn't know

◼   ► I couldn't do it in the UK but I hadn't

◼   ► actually got around to replacing ever

◼   ► okay so you're back on uber that's what

◼   ► you're saying well no I'm not back on it

◼   ► yeah and I'm not gonna use it in America

◼   ► why are you off it they didn't show me

◼   ► the respect I deserve

◼   ► no do I even want to know Brady what

◼   ► happened oh it's a boring corporate

◼   ► compensation corner okay alright yeah

◼   ► we'll leave it believe it at that with

◼   ► there is let's leave it for another day

◼   ► leave it for another day I'll let you

◼   ► know once it's resolved if it's

◼   ► interesting I'll let you know okay for

◼   ► now uber or on my blacklist

◼   ► okay the breeding blacklist hmm beware

◼   ► beware companies yeah I wanna be on that

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◼   ► gonna finish the show even let you get

◼   ► back on with hello Internet his Trip

◼   ► Advisor on their blacklist no

◼   ► TripAdvisor is not on my blacklist bit

◼   ► as you have seen in the notes that is

◼   ► what I would like to ask you about next

◼   ► I was trying to do a segue their

◼   ► breeding they took a leaf out of my book

◼   ► back I'm proud of you learning from your

◼   ► vice host don't say that baby it's awful

◼   ► it's already a thing that genies out of

◼   ► the bottle you degrade yourself when you

◼   ► say vice host don't do it I already get

◼   ► emails from people calling me vice ace

◼   ► now all right what do you want to know

◼   ► about Trip Advisor buddy so you use Trip

◼   ► Advisor presumably like you know when

◼   ► you're going places and and so do i it's

◼   ► a useful resource my question is a

◼   ► simple one

◼   ► do you ever contribute to Trip Advisor

◼   ► or are you like me a parasite I am NOT

◼   ► like you a parasite yeah but it's just

◼   ► by a technicality let me tell you a

◼   ► little story reading please two summers

◼   ► ago my wife and I were driving across

◼   ► America we're going to a family reunion

◼   ► and we wanted to get some breakfasts and

◼   ► at that point in my life breakfast was a

◼   ► very important meal to me at that point

◼   ► you're like yeah I don't do breakfast

◼   ► anymore it turns out breakfast is

◼   ► bullshit you don't need it that's a lie

◼   ► but two years ago gray was real grumpy

◼   ► if he didn't get his breakfast okay so

◼   ► my wife and I we look up on TripAdvisor

◼   ► we're trying to find a place and we

◼   ► eventually pick a place that looks like

◼   ► it's nearby

◼   ► and has a reasonable TripAdvisor

◼   ► so we go into the restaurant hmm and you

◼   ► know when you're with another person

◼   ► sometimes it's it's a little bit hard to

◼   ► judge what's going on in the other

◼   ► person's mind and you know how when

◼   ► you're traveling you want you have a

◼   ► certain amount of like you want to go

◼   ► along with things yeah but I walk

◼   ► through the door of this restaurant and

◼   ► I just immediately thought I don't know

◼   ► about this I can't put my finger on what

◼   ► it is something is amiss here and where

◼   ► I on my own I would have turned around

◼   ► right then but you're with someone and

◼   ► there's like an inertia that you the two

◼   ► of you have rolled through the door

◼   ► together and so you just don't say

◼   ► anything did you think it was like

◼   ► unsafe or unhygenic or like what was the

◼   ► feel it's hard to say what it was just a

◼   ► little bit of something's not right okay

◼   ► the decor in the restaurant was I would

◼   ► say quirky but something just seemed off

◼   ► and I couldn't place it

◼   ► I hope this is gonna end up but from

◼   ► dusk to dawn and it was like a vampire

◼   ► hangout or something I'm afraid it was

◼   ► not a vampire hangout but there was

◼   ► nobody else in the restaurant which is

◼   ► objective thing one yeah that's a

◼   ► problem it's not that's not a good sign

◼   ► hmm there's a little bit of confusion

◼   ► the waitress eventually shows up with

◼   ► what I presume is like the owner who's

◼   ► sort of standing nearby by the counter

◼   ► like I can't quite figure out what the

◼   ► situation is we're looking at the menu

◼   ► we order what we're gonna order and they

◼   ► go they disappear off back into the

◼   ► kitchen the two of them hmm and I'm

◼   ► realizing it's super warm in this

◼   ► restaurant like uncomfortably warm as

◼   ► we're sitting there and then suddenly a

◼   ► fly lands on my wife and then I noticed

◼   ► there's some flies on the window and all

◼   ► of a sudden your senses just tune into

◼   ► it immediately like there's flies

◼   ► everywhere there's a fly in her hair

◼   ► there's flies in my hair I was like this

◼   ► is disgusting

◼   ► what's going on in this restaurant and

◼   ► then as I'm like looking at my wife

◼   ► she's looking at me and she's

◼   ► recognizing all the Flies all of a

◼   ► sudden and we're getting to that moment

◼   ► of like uh-oh what have we done yeah and

◼   ► then we hear from the kitchen the two

◼   ► people are arguing

◼   ► they're arguing about how the things

◼   ► that we just ordered were supposed to be

◼   ► made there's some kind of like great

◼   ► disagreement occurring in the kitchen

◼   ► yeah and so my wife and I we got up I

◼   ► took her hand and I said we're getting

◼   ► out of here and we essentially just ran

◼   ► to the car and drove away there's so

◼   ► many flies this place is so disgusting

◼   ► there's an argument occurring in the

◼   ► kitchen we're just getting out of here

◼   ► they've no explanation required we're

◼   ► just leaving that was the last time we

◼   ► ever went to big Joe's sloppy buns

◼   ► yeah that restaurant is the only time I

◼   ► have left a review on TripAdvisor I gave

◼   ► them one star and I wrote a review

◼   ► warning everybody else away that I go so

◼   ► that is my one and only contribution to

◼   ► TripAdvisor

◼   ► which is now bigs desperately sort by

◼   ► tims across the internet aside from that

◼   ► one incident I'm essentially a parasite

◼   ► I have I have not reviewed anything I

◼   ► think you're pretty much parasite and

◼   ► the funny thing is I can't think of a

◼   ► nice holiday that I've been on where my

◼   ► wife and I haven't sat over like a

◼   ► lovely meal or a cocktail saying Oh what

◼   ► would we write on TripAdvisor about this

◼   ► place and we go through all the

◼   ► different things we do and like the

◼   ► lovely review we write and we always say

◼   ► well we must do that when we get back

◼   ► that would be really useful so many

◼   ► people have helped us with the reviews

◼   ► that's right a really useful review of

◼   ► this place you get home never do it just

◼   ► forget about it you discuss the

◼   ► theoretical TripAdvisor review that you

◼   ► would learn like we don't like you know

◼   ► craft the wording yeah you're not

◼   ► writing an article about it now are you

◼   ► you're just having a conversation yes

◼   ► they're two totally different things I

◼   ► completely understand writing an article

◼   ► about it would be would be a much more

◼   ► important thing to do wouldn't it I

◼   ► don't know I feel like people have been

◼   ► doing us a service and we can return the

◼   ► favor cuz it's not always just like

◼   ► praise you know oh this would be a

◼   ► useful thing to know and that we don't

◼   ► do it I don't think you should feel any

◼   ► kind of guilt about this that Brady

◼   ► because one of the ways all of these

◼   ► kinds of things were like obviously they

◼   ► are a useful reference

◼   ► but there is a part of it which is that

◼   ► if you are writing a review for

◼   ► TripAdvisor or Yelp or any of these kind

◼   ► of services hmm in that moment you're

◼   ► essentially doing advertising work for

◼   ► the place that you were visiting well I

◼   ► don't think you were advertising big joe

◼   ► sloppy buns when you wrote that really

◼   ► negative review or you're anti

◼   ► advertising you're kicking sand in their

◼   ► faiths our read reviews where I've said

◼   ► things like you know try to get water

◼   ► Villa number seven because it's got the

◼   ► best view of the sunset and stuff like

◼   ► that like you can get useful information

◼   ► in these things yeah but see that's a

◼   ► different thing because I feel like if I

◼   ► go to a place and there's this is the

◼   ► thing this is the good thing to do I

◼   ► feel like that's a--that's like a trade

◼   ► secret that I want to keep for myself I

◼   ► don't want to let people in on what the

◼   ► secret is when they when they visit the

◼   ► place I'm gonna keep the information to

◼   ► myself yeah I mean that's yeah but

◼   ► you've benefited from it when you read

◼   ► the review in the first place yeah

◼   ► that's a bit selfish isn't it fine

◼   ► that's okay but that's that's where the

◼   ► guilt comes from I don't feel any guilt

◼   ► about that kind of thing I'm not sitting

◼   ► here wracked with guilt and I don't like

◼   ► you know I'm not I'm not thinking like

◼   ► I'm the world's worst person and it's

◼   ► fine I think TripAdvisor would be more

◼   ► useful if more people like me wrote

◼   ► reviews mm-hmm it's like when you're

◼   ► really angry at uber and by the time you

◼   ► record the podcast you've like you know

◼   ► you've just lost the fire in your belly

◼   ► it's the same with a holiday once you're

◼   ► back home you've you've lost your

◼   ► creative flame for writing a bit of

◼   ► purple prose about how lovely the place

◼   ► works yeah I don't feel any guilt here

◼   ► because there's there's like what's

◼   ► occurring here is the interaction

◼   ► between two corporations and a while

◼   ► TripAdvisor and and services like it

◼   ► they're obviously useful to everybody it

◼   ► is also totally the fact that it's

◼   ► because of all of the user contributions

◼   ► that TripAdvisor has any value at all

◼   ► and so even if you don't feel like

◼   ► you're doing advertising work for the

◼   ► restaurant that you have just visited

◼   ► because you're you're writing about how

◼   ► there's flies everywhere and they argue

◼   ► in the kitchen yeah whatever you write

◼   ► you are still then doing a kind of

◼   ► unpaid work to build up the value of the

◼   ► company of TripAdvisor yeah okay but the

◼   ► thing is

◼   ► you're willing to extract that free

◼   ► value you're just not willing to put any

◼   ► back in right it's fine it's selfish but

◼   ► it's fine and it's okay and they get

◼   ► their value in other ways I mean they

◼   ► are running ads and you know I'm not

◼   ► feeling sorry for TripAdvisor here again

◼   ► this this is a kind of company that can

◼   ► exist very differently in the Internet

◼   ► than traditional companies could yeah

◼   ► and it runs a ground of some of these

◼   ► things and don't give her a I totally

◼   ► get what you're saying and I will be the

◼   ► first to admit that I am like a parasite

◼   ► on the review systems of the world like

◼   ► I just I rarely contribute and I

◼   ► constantly extract value hmm but I don't

◼   ► feel bad about it because I do think

◼   ► these companies part of the way they're

◼   ► able to do it is that like they

◼   ► themselves are treading on a kind of

◼   ► social expectation among the users to

◼   ► contribute I just can't feel that way

◼   ► about the company where it's it's like

◼   ► well you you company are making this

◼   ► available to me for free and I am happy

◼   ► to enjoy your free resource see I think

◼   ► the difference between you and I in this

◼   ► conversation though is that I'm not even

◼   ► thinking about TripAdvisor as a company

◼   ► like to me that's an abstraction I'm

◼   ► thinking about the other holiday makers

◼   ► and me as a holiday maker and the

◼   ► relationship between us right I feel a

◼   ► bit like you know if I stumbled and fell

◼   ► down a pothole in the street hmm and

◼   ► then just walked away quietly and didn't

◼   ► tell anyone else that was there and the

◼   ► next person fell on the pothole I feel

◼   ► like oh maybe I should have told some

◼   ► people about it I'm not thinking of

◼   ► TripAdvisor I'm not thinking of the

◼   ► businesses that run holidays and the

◼   ► restaurants and the hotel's I'm thinking

◼   ► about my fellow your fellow Internet

◼   ► citizens yeah I totally get it and

◼   ► actually the pothole comparison is great

◼   ► because I think it runs parallel to what

◼   ► I was gonna say it would be a different

◼   ► situation

◼   ► so the different thing with the pothole

◼   ► is we are all members of an involuntary

◼   ► corporation which is the municipal

◼   ► government like we're all paying taxes

◼   ► into it we're all here as part of

◼   ► society like this is a coordination

◼   ► that's occurring between the large

◼   ► number of people and so the like

◼   ► reporting a pothole kind of thing like

◼   ► yeah I would totally do that I know that

◼   ► I have done that kind of

◼   ► something like TripAdvisor it just feels

◼   ► different because it's a for-profit

◼   ► entity if TripAdvisor was something kind

◼   ► of different if it was like a

◼   ► not-for-profit open-source collaborative

◼   ► thing kind of like the Wikipedia is sort

◼   ► of like I would feel more guilt about it

◼   ► which is why like my wife and I do

◼   ► contribute to Wikipedia because it feels

◼   ► like it's so much more on the on the end

◼   ► of like a social good and people have

◼   ► tried to get distributed review systems

◼   ► off the ground or things like

◼   ► distributed social networks off the

◼   ► ground they've never really taken off

◼   ► because I think this is a space that

◼   ► just ends up being one where commercial

◼   ► interests will naturally dominate but

◼   ► for me that there is a part of it that I

◼   ► cannot ignore that it this isn't just a

◼   ► direct interaction between me and fellow

◼   ► citizens that there is an entity that is

◼   ► profiting from the interaction between

◼   ► me and fellow citizens and if it was

◼   ► more peer-to-peer in the way that I

◼   ► think a government interaction would be

◼   ► or the way a different sort of system

◼   ► would be then I would genuinely feel

◼   ► more guilt for being a like a parasite

◼   ► upon the system again they you just

◼   ► can't get your brain away from the

◼   ► company and the money I will totally

◼   ► agree like that is a thing that is

◼   ► unlike the owl watches over us all right

◼   ► as we're we're contributing those

◼   ► reviews I don't agree with you right

◼   ► like I feel like I'm the same as you I'm

◼   ► a parasite but I feel like that defense

◼   ► doesn't work for me and I feel like to

◼   ► me that's not an acceptable position

◼   ► that you're taking like I don't care if

◼   ► you write reviews or not but to me that

◼   ► argument doesn't hold water as you make

◼   ► it there but if you then said to me I

◼   ► once wrote a review on TripAdvisor for

◼   ► my fellow man and it was removed by

◼   ► TripAdvisor or they edited it then I

◼   ► would completely agree with you and

◼   ► think I'll hang on a second this is just

◼   ► a company this isn't between me and the

◼   ► other holidaymakers they're editing

◼   ► things because their customers are

◼   ► unhappy and they're and then I would

◼   ► totally agree with you and actually I

◼   ► think that does happen on TripAdvisor so

◼   ► so I kind of probably am on your side in

◼   ► a way but the single argument that the

◼   ► whole system was set up by a company

◼   ► that makes money like doesn't stop you

◼   ► taking the value from it there is also a

◼   ► similar thing which I totally changed my

◼   ► mind on which is when self checkout

◼   ► machines were first introduced my

◼   ► initial reaction long ago was this is

◼   ► ridiculous they're having me work as an

◼   ► unpaid employee bagging my own groceries

◼   ► here I guess is outrageous that the

◼   ► grocery store

◼   ► wants me to do free work for them I will

◼   ► do no such that and now of course as

◼   ► Luthor's no it's like I couldn't be

◼   ► happier to be packing my own groceries

◼   ► yeah so I'm not perfectly consistent on

◼   ► this issue but yeah that was a place

◼   ► where I felt the same way I was like I

◼   ► can't ignore the commercial interaction

◼   ► that's that's taking place here like

◼   ► look at you grocery store so cynically

◼   ► saving money on wages by deferring labor

◼   ► to the actual customers and now I'm now

◼   ► very happy to be part of that system got