H.I. #89 -- A Swarm of Bad Emoji
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saying as you and I are both wearing
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hello internet merchandise at the moment
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you wearing a reunion swamp in t-shirt
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and me that mighty nailing gear who it
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does remind me of a question I've been
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meaning to ask you for a while yeah I
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don't want to put you on the spot here
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but I am I had made for you and had sent
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to you Oh a pair of hello Internet
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limited edition sneakers Oh
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oh yes I didn't really expect you to
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wear them cuz you know you're you but
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I'm curious as to what's happened to
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them well I mean Brady I I think you
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know I'm a real sneaker head I'm a big
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fan of collecting sneakers yeah one of
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the things when you're in the sneaker
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head world or the sneaker verse as we
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call it right is you you want to keep
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your really special sneakers in mint
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yeah absolute pristine mint condition
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suniverse is a good name as well who
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universe I'll pass that on to the other
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sneaker heads and see okay see how that
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gets accepted on the ICQ where we chat
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don't get me wrong I mean I have a pair
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I wear and a second pair in mint
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condition so I have my mint condition
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pair I'm just wondering where your mint
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condition pair is oh you want to know
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where it is yeah I don't think you're
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wearing them okay it's pride of place in
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the house Brady they're in a box which
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is behind my laundry hamper so that it
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is as safe and as protected an item can
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if robbers were ever to show up they
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won't find the hello internet sneakers
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I'm impressed they're in the house I'm
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happy with that I'll take that do you
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feel like that's a victory yeah
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did you honestly think Brady that I
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might tell you that I had thrown away
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the hello internet sneakers that you
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have lovingly handmade well I didn't
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think you'd tell me you had but I still
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think there is a chance you have I think
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it's more likely you've read them like
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you sent them to a relative or someone
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who listens to the show mm-hmm with my
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same shoe size is that who I would send
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it to well yeah I imagine you must have
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some relative with the same same shoe
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size as you probably yeah family trees
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are quite extensive but now you haven't
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reqif didn't know they're in my house
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Henry gifted they are in mint condition
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and shall remain so for ever I think
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maybe I have been ever mint condition
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conundrum at the moment hmm because for
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my birthday which was back in June
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mm-hmm I really wanted the Saturn 5 Lego
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rocket that was released around that
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time with 1969 pieces it was one of the
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most impressive Lego things I'd ever
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seen so I said to my wife because she
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never knows what to get me for my
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birthday I said that's what I want
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mm-hmm so she got it for me I was over
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the moon I was very pleased with it but
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I haven't made it partly because I
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haven't had time but also like I like
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that it's in its box and in mint
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condition and like I kind of like the
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box and like knowing that all the pieces
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of it and they're all beautifully
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arranged and and I kind of don't want to
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make it I'm seriously wondering if it's
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still on sale whether I should buy a
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second one so I can make one and keep
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one in mint condition in a box as like a
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display think I have some follow-up
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questions here Brady hmm I feel like I
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have ended up with a mint condition item
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in my house through a series of
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extraordinary circumstances but yeah
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I've started a podcast with a friend
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that podcast ended up creating
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merchandise straight from the brain of
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my friend who shipped some right to my
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house it's not ordinary circumstances
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that such a thing would exist
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yeah you however are looking to
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intentionally have a mint condition Lego
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box and I'm imagining this is quite a
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big Lego box like what's the size of
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this thing I would say it's about the
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size of two cake boxes two or three cake
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boxes how the cake box as compared to
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bread baskets I don't know this measure
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you know the hello internet sneaker box
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yes it's about the size of three of them
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okay I have a sense of that but for the
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listeners those who did not acquire
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hello internet sneakers how many
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how many Audrey's could you fit inside
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the box that's the standard measure we
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you could probably fit three to four
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Audrey's in the box all right the audrey
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has been packing on the pounds lately
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my mental estimate here is you could fit
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ten arteries in but you must be really
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it depends on how tightly you pack them
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and and how much she's been putting on
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the weight oh so I'm aware that these
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Lego things if they're unboxed have a
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greater resale value like years later
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but I never sell these things anyway so
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I don't really think that's my reason I
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don't think it's a financial
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consideration I think it's just for
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liking the neatness and the beauty of an
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unboxed awesome thing right you're not
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investing in Legos here no no and I just
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feel like the boxed rocket and made just
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feels like a nicer thing to me than if I
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made it like if I made it I'm just gonna
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have this big rocker that obviously is
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made of Lego mm-hmm and like I don't
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know where I'd put that or how I'd feel
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about that whereas I really like the box
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I just like how the Box looks and I like
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knowing what's in it and I can't explain
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it I know it's a bit weird I'm trying
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very hard to understand and maybe I have
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used this analogy before when I when I
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try to think of these kinds of things
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but the closest I can come is the
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promise of unused stationery like an
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unwritten in notebook that is true it is
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the promise of what you could write in
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there as opposed to what you actually do
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which which just doesn't live up to the
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ideal that analogy is good beyond what
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you know because when I was a school
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mm-hmm in year 3 mm-hmm so I must have
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been what like around 8 years old or
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mm-hmm yes but right my year 3 teacher
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who I still remember was mrs. delbridge
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and she had this diary which was a
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five-year diary you could keep five
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years in it because of the way the pages
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were configured like oh five years
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schedule do you mean like a calendar for
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five years yeah it was basically yeah
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okay especially what I was I had a
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little lock on and I was completely
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besotted by it mm-hmm and it was the
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prize for the student who did the best
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work in their journal that year we had
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like a daily journal we had to write
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I was just obsessed with winning it and
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it was going to be given at the end of
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the year and while most of the kids
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didn't care about the journal and would
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write stuff about like what they did
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last night or what they watched on TV or
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you know what they did in the holidays I
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decided to turn my journal into like a
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spy novel which I just wrote each day
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and it was this fictional story about
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this spy having all these adventures he
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was called I am I don't know why I
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called him okay it was this epic tale
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spanning to exercise books and there was
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one other girl in the class who kept a
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really good journal and she had much
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better handwriting than me of course she
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also really wanted to win it and I was
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convinced that she was gonna win it and
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I still remember at the end of the year
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mrs. Dilber sang and the winner of the
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Diary is and she opened up the page and
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my name had been written in the front
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where it said this belongs to
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then I'd won the five-year diary which
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I'd wanted all year so I took it home
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and I thought this is amazing this is I
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finally got it it's mine I've coveted
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this for so long and I never ever wrote
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in it or did anything with it because I
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was too scared to ruin the beautiful
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empty diary I didn't want to sully it so
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for the next three or four years I just
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kept this five-year diary thinking next
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year maybe I'll start it when I when my
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handwriting's better and I know I won't
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ruin it as I said your handwriting will
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never be good enough to live up to the
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idea of the diary yeah especially the
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longer you have it as it has gone on for
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two years it becomes like oh well now I
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really need to have something great to
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write in this thing yeah it's like if
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you're keeping a bottle of champagne for
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a special occasion the longer you go
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without drinking the special allure the
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occasion needs to be in order to drink
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that champagne like well we haven't
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drank this for two years now it has to
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be an amazing event you sort of say
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critize an object by not using it that's
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it that's what's happening to the rocket
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mm-hmm say critizing anta yeah I think
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that is what what's happening my
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strategy for this at least with paper
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stationery because I used to use paper
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notebooks all the time
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I can used always have a paper notebook
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with me I used to write in paper
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notebooks for all kinds of projects and
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the stationery used to be a much bigger
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part of my life than it currently is but
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I was always aware of feeling that
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feeling about oh my dumb ideas are not
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worthy of this pristine book and so my
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strategy was to just every time I got a
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notebook intentionally just scribble all
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over the first page like okay now it's
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fine because there's no this first page
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needs to be the opening lines of war in
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I am Dees a critizing but maybe it's
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like degrading the notebook down to my
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normal human level I was like okay well
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now I can write sullying it when I got
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my new iPhone the other day the first
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day I had I happened to go to the gym
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and when I go to the gym I give my phone
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and my car keys and my wallet to my
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trainer and he goes into like a back
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locked room and puts them in his gym bag
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mm-hmm so I said I've got a new phone
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and I hand it over to him and I said can
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you just be careful when you put it in
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that the keys like scratch up against
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the phone Lou and I never say things
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he looked at me funny and I said I just
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got the phone today and you know I don't
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want to scratch it and he was like I had
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no problems I understand I'll be really
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careful when I put it in my bag mm-hmm I
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went back to the gym two days later and
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handed over my stuff to him and he said
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I'll be careful and I said don't care
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any more seriously as the half-life of
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it was to the iPhone is sacred for a day
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and after that I don't care but the
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first day you have it you know you're
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polishing it on your t-shirt all the
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time to make sure there's no
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fingerprints on it and making sure it's
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so beautiful and then two days later it
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chuck it in it's just my phone now so
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after there's big conversation about how
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your unopened box of Lego is what do you
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think you're going to do here braiding
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it's still open I don't know what you
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might have to do is buy the second box
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build the Lego Saturn rocket and then
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display the Lego Saturn rocket on top of
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with the other one what will I do with
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the empty box will you'll throw that one
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away have you seen how gorgeous the box
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is this is the point in these
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conversations Brady where I feel like
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I've tried to work with you but now it's
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too far you're gonna keep two identical
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boxes of a lego Construction Set in your
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head that's what you're gonna do that's
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the ultimate idea when you were going to
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buy the second one is that you're going
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to keep the two boxes because they're
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beautiful okay but you know that's crazy
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right it would be a difficult box to
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throw away that's all I'm saying I don't
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know man I feel like we're getting close
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to an episode of Hoarders when you're
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telling me that you're gonna keep both
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of the boxes of the Saturn 5 rocket when
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yeah tell me I have a second one don't
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tie me up that your plan is when you get
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the second vote you're going to keep it
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I could go along with the constructed
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rocket in front of or on top of the box
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of the unopened one but that's a keep
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the two boxes like I don't know I don't
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know what to say to you yeah I don't
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know him what why it's gonna go because
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while they are nice it is a nice box it
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is a little bit childish so it's not
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really in keeping with the look of my
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office you know with the nice green
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walls and lovely framed pictures so but
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it's your office your office is what you
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want to make it you can have Lego
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Rockets in your office if you want to
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yeah but I want it to have a certain
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grown-up look as well right of course
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go on and look do you know quite often
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when I go through feedback like in the
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emails and on the reddit and stuff like
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that I do enjoy it and I am grateful for
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it but it always feels quite like
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sometimes it feels a bit antagonistic
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there is a certain heat to it that
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sometimes can rile you up or you don't
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enjoy especially when people are
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disagreeing on things or disagreeing
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with us it's like manner because you
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know they feel frustrated because they
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can't get their say to us we're gonna
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feel a bit frustrated because we can't
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answer all their comments I've been
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going through a lot of the feedback on
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which is better the moon landing or the
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oh the which is more impressive and
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there's been lots of discussion about it
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yeah their hands their hands and both
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views are be important you know what
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I've completely enjoyed it mm-hmm I've
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enjoyed the tone of it
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I've enjoyed both sides of the argument
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I still think I'm right of course and
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the moon landing is more impressive than
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the Mars landing but I've enjoyed what
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the Mars landing people have had to say
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I've enjoyed engaging with a little bit
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of it it's been one of the more
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enjoyable bits of civilized feedback and
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discussions we've had as a result of the
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show that's nice to hear baby hmm there
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is also always the problem when you're
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going through feedback if you've made
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anything online and then people are
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leaving comments and I feel like this is
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also one of the fundamental problems of
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the Internet is that there is no
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indication of tone of how the person is
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saying the other thing I think it's very
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easy when you're reading feedback that
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is critical of you that the the narrator
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for the comment that you're reading has
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angry tone which might not at all be
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what the person is intending which of
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course is why we have a proliferation of
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emoticons and smiley faces everywhere
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but at least on on Reddit and YouTube
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like the emoji encroachment has not
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reached their to a full extent so I
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think it can be hard to understand how
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did the person mean the comment but I'm
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very happy that you've been enjoying the
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Moon vs Mars feedback I also enjoy all
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those comment threads I still think that
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Mars is more impressive to me but I felt
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myself a bit swayed by the idea that for
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humans on the long scale the moon is
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objectively more impressive I felt
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myself pulled in that direction by the
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feedback yeah I think maybe the reason
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I've found it so easy reading the
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feedback is my assuredness that I'm
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maybe it's that you're so confident in
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your opinion that it's just like oh yeah
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there's no there's no arguing with a
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Brady on this oh so there was another
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big space event since we last recorded
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and this was the Cassini space probe
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which had been doing the business around
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Saturn for years now and send you back
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all these great photos mm-hmm that
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mission finally came to its end and it
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was sent plunging into the atmosphere of
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Saturn for a big dramatic finale because
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they didn't want to leave it just you
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know cruising around the orbit of Saturn
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as space junk yeah basically and I have
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in the past been critical of height and
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space sheer pressure and things like
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that movie and admittedly when this was
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happening I did go on Twitter and I was
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a little bit naughty and made a few
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provocative tweets just for fun but I
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will say overall I thought the level of
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Cassini hype in my timeline at least in
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the social media I was saying was
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pitched just perfect it was right this
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time I was very pleased
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I thought the mainstream media may be
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slightly under played it but of course a
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space note is always going to think that
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but the space cheerleaders around the
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place I thought it was about right you
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know they were passionate and emotional
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and I teased them about it a little bit
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on the Twitter particularly when I said
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that taking nice pictures of Saturn is
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but overall I thought it was about right
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and I wish they're all science events
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were treated about that tone
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there was a proportional response you
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think taking pictures of Saturdays
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low-hanging fruit yeah it's a bit oh
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we're isn't amazing we got these
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beautiful pictures of a satin I mean
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anyone with the 2005 Nokia pointing
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vaguely in the direction of sad could
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take an amazing photo set but don't get
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me wrong I did like the scene II
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preferred the Voyager missions myself
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well you will have a Voyager man I said
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that on Twitter as well
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I said I'm more of avoid you man I was
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impressed by Cassini and it was a really
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cool mission its Voyager 2 still going
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I'm just realizing I don't know is is
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that yeah I think they're still getting
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signals from both of them there's a new
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story every few weeks that they've
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finally left the solar system as the
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definition of the solar system keeps
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changing for PR reasons really you're so
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cynical there hasn't been a void you
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left the solar system story for a few
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weeks and actually so I'm sure we can
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redefine the edge of the sun's magneto
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sphere once again has the true edge of
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the solar system so we can get that
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story and just quickly can I praised
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SpaceX for a minute and you're trying to
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win over our commenters Brady I think
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they did something I like credit where
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they posted a YouTube video montage of
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their greatest failures and crashes it
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was this brilliant montage of rockets
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exploding and everything that went wrong
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and I really enjoyed it I thought it was
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really cool and I liked that they were
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able to take the mickey out of himself
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in that way it hacked back to a famous
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scene in the film the right stuff where
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they show a whole bunch of rocket
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failures so maybe - and the stage would
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kick in again but it was a really cool
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video this was on the official channel
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they published a compilation of their
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is this it how not to land an orbital
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rocket booster it probably is yeah you
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know what I've got to give a company
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credit for doing that kind of thing yeah
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I mean to be fair if you've got that
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incredible sexy footage why not use it
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because there's not many things more
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amazing to look at then a rocket going
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wrong but still some companies would not
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couch it in this way so good on them I'm
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watching the video now it's pretty good
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and it certainly helps if these are all
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rockets yeah it did occur to me that the
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first time something goes wrong with a
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rocket with a person on it that this
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video is gonna maybe come back to bite
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them on the backside which is why the
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companies would do it that's exactly it
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you're putting something out there in
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the world for people to hold against you
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but I'll give a company credit for doing
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that kind of thing this is definitely
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some impressive explosions yeah they're
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nice nice footage I'll put it in the
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show notes for people to watch so
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speaking of your approval of the Cassini
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news coverage there's something I want
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to touch on from two shows ago there was
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a topic that came up briefly and it was
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when you were discussing the overhyped
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eclipse in America yeah the eclipse of
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the millennium I believe was what it was
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being called I know when you're poking
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me on purpose I'm not even gonna bother
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correct was that because they're not
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right I might be mistaken I don't know
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by the way I do realize when you'd like
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to deliberately say things wrong like a
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dad you know who does it just to whine
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the kids up okay you keep not
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understanding what akka means I do know
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you do that on purpose by the way
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oh I understand what akka mean it's
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great I think I understand I got better
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than you I think you're too close to it
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and you can't understand what akka
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really is all right but yes I was
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critical of the eclipse of the century
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hype coming from our friends across the
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Atlantic yeah so you made some comments
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about the American centric nests of
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American news and speaking of feedback
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in the comments there were about a
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bazillion comments in the reddit where
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people were jumping on this bandwagon
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about how American centric the news is
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and I am NOT one to defend the news
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people might be aware of that but this
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is one case we didn't touch upon it at
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the time but I have to say reading the
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comments where people were complaining
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about how American centric the news in
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America is I'm fine with that
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of all of the myriad of things I could
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complain about American news the fact
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that it focuses on America is like the
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most minor of complaints that could
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possibly be I think it's actually
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totally justified for example there was
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a comment that I'm I'm sort of picking
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at random but I think works well as an
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example where there was someone from
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Brazil who was complaining about having
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moved to America that nobody in America
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right that it never comes up on the
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American news they were you know sort of
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making fun of Americans for saying
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Americans would ask him if he speaks
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Brazilian as a question about like
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what's what's Brazil like or not knowing
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where in the world Brazil is that's like
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I kind of get that it's funny to make
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fun of Americans for not knowing these
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things but what I was thinking about was
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I was trying to think okay what is to
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Brazil as Brazil is to America
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how do we measure the different sizes of
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countries and this may not be a perfect
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comparison but I thought I think you
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could use the GDP of a country as a
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rough first order approximation for how
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important is it in the world I'm not
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saying that's a perfect measure but I
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think we can ballpark that yeah and it
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works out just about perfectly that the
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Brazilian GDP is one-tenth the size of
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the American GDP and of course the
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United States GDP is the largest in the
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world by a pretty decent margin so the
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country that is to Brazil as Brazil is
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to the United States is a country like
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the Czech Republic or Romania and I just
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kind of would love to know how often the
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goings-on of Romania or the Czech
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Republic are in Brazilian news and if
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someone from Romania could be like oh
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the Brazilian news doesn't cover Romania
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as often as they think it should but it
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would feel like well of course it
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doesn't how does the Czech Republic or
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Romania impact Brazil like not really a
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lot and so I really feel like American
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news is American centric Ness it's
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totally fine and it's a thing that I am
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very happy to defend as far as American
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news goes well maybe I didn't put my
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case properly mm-hmm I think it is ok
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for news to be parochial mm-hmm I worked
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on the newspaper in Adelaide and
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everything was about what's the Adelaide
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angle if a huge disaster happens on the
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other side of the world the first thing
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we wonder is I wonder if anyone from
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Adelaide was there Pirozhki onus is fair
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enough I think the American news does go
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too far like I think they're too
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cool I think they could just turn that
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dial down just a little bit but I'm
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alright with Pirozhki or news coverage
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because you got a play to your audience
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mm-hmm but my problem is they're kind of
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it's almost kind of like a well I hope
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it's a willful ignorance for example if
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a new building got built in America that
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was taller than every other building in
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America but it was shorter than the Burj
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Khalifa which is the tallest building in
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the world and say it was built in
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Chicago and then the American news in
◼
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the Chicago News ran a story about this
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new building and called it the biggest
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building ever I'd be like no it's not
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the biggest building ever it's the
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biggest building in America mm-hmm
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that's like how the finals of the
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baseball in America is called the World
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Series that's the classic example isn't
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it this is not the World Series to
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decide the world champions they crowned
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the world champions of baseball every
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year based on who won a domestic us
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competition well it does include Canada
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greatly this is more where my problem is
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it's kind of this this ignorant of the
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bigger picture mm-hmm and I think that's
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the problem I think you need to know how
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you fit into the world
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I don't mind skewing the coverage and
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you know not covering every minor
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incident that happens in Romania mm-hmm
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but I think it's degrees and I think
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America goes a little bit too far there
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are some TV channels in the UK when
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they're covering the news and they try
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to be all high and mighty and be really
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international and I get really bored I
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think yeah enough of all this boring
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stuff about the stuff that's happening
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in other countries this is so worthy
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tell me why there was a big traffic jam
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on my motorway today you know I want my
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►
local news so you can't go too far the
◼
►
other way and be to unsend Trek but I
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think America goes the other way it's to
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America centric I want my porridge is
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just right is that too much to ask
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I mean look as a man who wants to bend
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the entire world to his will I
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understand you want your porridge just
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right I can sympathize there I think of
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a lot of this stuff in life like it I
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don't know how to articulate this very
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well but it's a bit like everything in
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life is a series of dials and it's like
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yes of course we would want the dial to
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right but you can never know when it's
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tuned just right so you have to think
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about it in terms of like well what
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happens if this dial is tuned too much
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and what happens if it's tuned too
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little and think about like what are the
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►
consequences in in these directions
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because you just don't know where the
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exact correct setting is and I look at
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the American centric nests of American
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news and and feel mostly like well of
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course this dial is going to be turned
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way to one side and it's because the
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United States is it's like such an
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incredibly large and important
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economically in political country in the
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world and very few other countries can
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impact the United States in any
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and essentially the only foreign news
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that Americans get is about the
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countries that may be able to impact the
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United States and in some way and that
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is a tiny handful of countries and to
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expect that it's much broader beyond
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that I think is kind of unreasonable
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like the stuff like the world series is
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just funny and that's why the eclipse of
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the century was a perfect example
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because as you said last time I was like
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how is this being measured like there's
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no there's no objective way it's the
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eclipse of the century except that it's
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happening right now in America like that
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stuff is funny my personal peeve is a
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kind of beating on Americans for not
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knowing about the world outside and I
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think it's because it's such an
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asymmetric relationship like people in
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other countries know all sorts of stuff
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about America because what America does
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affects those countries but Americans
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don't know about the countries that
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their policies affect because one
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there's vastly more of them and and two
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like well frankly those countries their
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actions don't really affect the United
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States nearly as much so like II just I
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just think it's not surprising that this
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is the situation that we're in that's a
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bit of a shame mm-hmm I can spare for
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shame that's something so powerful and
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that can affect so many other people is
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so unaware of those people but I hear
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argument I guess it bothers me mostly
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because I remember coming to the UK a
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long time ago and getting into
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conversations with people about how like
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oh it's amazing how you don't know
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anything about all of our countries and
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I was originally on the side of like oh
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I should I should feel totally ashamed
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but then eventually I kind of changed my
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mind I'm like wait a minute what like
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why would I know the details of like how
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the politics in France works like why
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would this ever be a thing that would
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come across my attention before having
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having moved to Europe like it never
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would in any meaningful way so I
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shouldn't feel bad about not having
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known it when I showed up so I think
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that's why it's like a little personal
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thing for me I'm okay with you defending
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your countrymen but I do think one
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should strive for more information and
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more knowledge in life in all ways and
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that includes knowledge of the world and
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you know we should know how the
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electoral system in France works I don't
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but I shouldn't be proud that I don't I
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should say I wish I did I wish I knew
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everything but I do feel like a
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statement like oh we should all strive
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to know more about the world like it's
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very easy to say but it's very hard to
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agree with the specifics of what exactly
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does that mean because there's an
◼
►
infinite amount of things to know about
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absolutely everything and so if we
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accept that as a premise we immediately
◼
►
have to start filtering out almost
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everything about everything it's not
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possible to know about all of the things
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so there there has to be some sort of
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filter again that's why I'm not
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surprised that Americans they know about
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America and maybe not very much beyond
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so grace since we last spoke I know
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there's been another announcement from
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the temple the temple Apple has
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►
announced new iPhones for all the fans
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and I'll tell you what if you went to a
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►
dictionary and looked up unimpressed you
◼
►
could put a photo of me watching the
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iPhone announcement there yeah as far as
◼
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I can tell and you set me straight if
◼
►
I'm wrong but this new iPhone don't can
◼
►
I call it iPhone X I know I'm supposed
◼
►
to call it 10 okay no let's let's get
◼
►
this on the record here I am boycotting
◼
►
the 10 they're not going along with
◼
►
their it's iPhone 10 it's like I'm sorry
◼
►
if you're gonna put the big letter X
◼
►
there I'm calling it X it's it's not
◼
►
gonna happen I Apple but I feel like
◼
►
like pulling out the X in any branding
◼
►
time it's like your big gun isn't it and
◼
►
that's like okay it's time it's time for
◼
►
the X version of whatever we've got
◼
►
mm-hmm so I expect it to be pretty
◼
►
awesome like game-changer and as far as
◼
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I can tell this is not a game changer
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►
this is just more faffing around the
◼
►
edges and I think they've wasted their X
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I think they've gone early on the X
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►
whether it's out of desperation or they
◼
►
were just running out of time because
◼
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they were approaching them pretend and
◼
►
they thought that was when they could
◼
►
you they had to use their X you know
◼
►
well I would argue that they had if they
◼
►
didn't want to use the 10 they could
◼
►
have had several more years
◼
►
of not using the ten right because yeah
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►
because they they have their little s
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►
their little in between years so we had
◼
►
seven they could have done seven s 8 8 s
◼
►
9 9 s and then count to 10 so they could
◼
►
have had what was at six years I heard
◼
►
there was some technical reason they
◼
►
couldn't use 9 I find that hard to
◼
►
what do I know about this stuff but
◼
►
anyway I am disappointed from what I've
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►
I'm not yearning to get one from a
◼
►
am I wrong should I want one what would
◼
►
you want the X to have what would make
◼
►
you feel like wow that's the kind of X
◼
►
you want to see in the world emojis that
◼
►
move when I fuck move my face no well
◼
►
good news for you feels like it should
◼
►
be like a new birth it should be the
◼
►
monolith descending from the sky if I
◼
►
knew the answer to that I would either
◼
►
work at Apple or I would have a really
◼
►
trendy cool designed monochrome blog
◼
►
where I wrote about it every day I'm not
◼
►
thinking of one in particular by the way
◼
►
because I don't know any of them that is
◼
►
what they all sort of seem like to me
◼
►
all these like really minimalist design
◼
►
blogs I'll tell you another thing about
◼
►
podcasters that annoys me is when they
◼
►
refer to the fact that they wrote about
◼
►
something like that's a big deal but you
◼
►
know yeah I can talk on a podcast all
◼
►
day but actually I wrote an article
◼
►
about that like suddenly that oh hang on
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►
you wrote an article about that well
◼
►
that's different political podcasts are
◼
►
really bad for this like political
◼
►
journalists who like just waffle about
◼
►
politics and they'll say actually I
◼
►
wrote an article about that this week
◼
►
they're probably worse than the Apple
◼
►
people for that like it's somehow now
◼
►
it's scripture cuz it's written down and
◼
►
it's more important than just waffling
◼
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don't you think it is though Brady I
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mean this is one of the things I like
◼
►
about podcasts is I mean you and I we've
◼
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just shown up we're having a little chat
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here even though we were just talking
◼
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about the American centric mists of
◼
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American news and I feel like that's a
◼
►
very different conversation than if I
◼
►
sat down and I was going to write an
◼
►
article defending that same topic right
◼
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if you write something I think it is a
◼
►
bigger deal than - doing a podcast cuz
◼
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in the podcast you're just talking right
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yeah okay I see what you're saying but I
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►
think it puts an importance on what's
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written basically just on a blog on the
◼
►
Internet into some kind of important
◼
►
fear they'd like that's not like it's
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►
gone through peer review
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and it's more right you're still just
◼
►
some Joker who wrote an article on a
◼
►
blog actually I wrote now - cool about
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►
that so now now what I'm saying like has
◼
►
more credence or something like no it
◼
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doesn't you just also wrote down what
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you think I guess I know what you're
◼
►
saying but I still feel like they're
◼
►
very different things what is your you
◼
►
don't like your one that when they're
◼
►
simply referencing that's like oh I have
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an important piece of work and you're
◼
►
listening to a podcast and you're
◼
►
thinking like hey you're a guy listen to
◼
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talk about politics all the time what's
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the difference if you've written it down
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versus you're talking about it it just
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sort of seems irrelevant it's like okay
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good for you i'm listening to the
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podcast like it's okay if they say like
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there's a lot of things about that that
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you know I'm not gonna say now so you
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should be the article but they just they
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just sort of say it as an aside
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oh yeah wrote an article about that and
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then they go on to regurgitate sort of
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the odd I don't know there's something
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about it that just rubs me up the wrong
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way it's like a paper cut mm-hmm
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the thing that's funny to me about this
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is I just always feel like we said
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before everything we're talking about on
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this podcast is sort of off the record
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because we're just talking like on my
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Wikipedia page I sometimes see quotes
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from things that I've said on the
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podcasts like on my own Wikipedia page
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explaining a thing and I always feel
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like weirdly annoyed by that like but it
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was just I was just talking like but now
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this quote of a thing that I just said
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offhandedly is like the representative
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thing on this topic whereas I would feel
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very differently about that if I had
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written an article and then the
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Wikipedia article was like quoting the
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article that I had written it just it
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does feel like they're very different
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things to me Brady yeah I know I know
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you feel that way that's fair enough
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and also like it is also just
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cross-promotion and I mean we often talk
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about things and I'll say I made a video
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about that it's completely extraneous to
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what we're talking about so I'm guilty
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of it too so Mia Copa you should make a
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video about it Brady I should I haven't
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made a video about the new iPhone or
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read an article about it or seen one you
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guys you have to do an unboxing really
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do you unboxing channel yet there could
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be more popular than all your other
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actually I make calculator unboxings
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we'll put a link in the show notes I
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think you should really spin that off
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into something else it could be a
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full-time dad wore f-- numberphile
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immediately is the iphone x a big deal
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this is the one time like you're really
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asking the wrong person Brady because
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I didn't actually watch the keynote this
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year I was in an extremely low Internet
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area so I haven't actually seen the
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presentation or anything I just read a
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couple of those articles afterwards
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people wrote down their thoughts to get
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a summary of what's going on I'm not
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saying people shouldn't write articles
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or write down their thoughts by the way
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like technology articles and blogs are
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not only like good I like them and I
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I'm not against writing you heard here
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first people Brady : against writing and
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there's some good ones there are a few
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people who we know who I think write
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really cool tech blogs it's when
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someone's on a podcast saying I wrote an
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article about this Azlan okay that's
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good but obviously to your podcast at
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the moment so let's talk let's have a
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little chat I feel like I've
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misrepresented myself but anyway let's
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move on to the new iPhone yeah but you
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know what thank god this is a podcast
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and people can hear that in the
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conversation as opposed to every was
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just transcribed and written in an
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article then it seems like it's
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something set in stone are confused
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thoughts about about these matters I
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don't know man like I'm not the person
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here who's gonna try to sell you on an
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iPhone X have you ordered one they're
◼
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not able to be ordered yet but I mean
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yes I will order one as soon as I can
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but I think that is also for anyone who
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has listened to this podcast and has
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heard both of us do our various iPhone
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switches over the years in the past what
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is it now four years of this design I
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have been unhappy with and and
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frustrated with the phones at at both
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sizes so I am excited far less because
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of the technology that is in the phone
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and far more simply because oh thank god
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it's a different size after four years
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and maybe I'll like this size better
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than the phones that I've been living
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with in the past what size is this one
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what's it massage off it's in between
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the two sizes it's like a little bit
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bigger than the regular iPhone and it's
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as if that iPhone was all scream except
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obviously for that notch at the top so
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I'm hoping the fact that the screen size
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is larger if not the body size is much
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larger we'll get rid of some of my
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typing frustrations that I've had with
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the phone that is the reason that I'm
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ordering it is I feel like please let me
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if you're looking for someone to
◼
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evangelize how technically impressive
◼
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the iPhone X is you are with the wrong
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podcasting partner for this one I'm
◼
►
sorry baby I cannot tell you on this
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device I'm worried about the lack of the
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home button because whenever I have to
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swipe things from the bottom of my
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iPhone as it is now I'm so hopeless at
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that I'm like oh oh it takes me about
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eight goes to bring up that swipey thing
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at the bottom so if the home button is
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anything like that functionality it's
◼
►
bad news for me remember look Brady we
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all know that the future is no buttons
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all right all of the buttons go away I'm
◼
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sure someday we won't have volume
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buttons on the side it'll be nothing but
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swipe gestures all over the place that's
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what's going to happen there you're
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passing on the iPhone X yeah 10 would
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you like it more if it was called iPhone
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►
Pro Brady I would suddenly be tempted if
◼
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they cracked out the prairie I think
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this exact same phone if they said it's
◼
►
iPhone Pro you might feel the call of
◼
►
Apple tugging on your wallet yeah I'd be
◼
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thinking oh well I'm not supposed to be
◼
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a professional person maybe I well
◼
►
haven't I got a pro do you not Brady
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literally watch videos professionally on
◼
►
your phone is that not one of the
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►
primary use cases I probably will have
◼
►
to get the prayer mmm
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yeah when they do that that's when
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Apple's gonna get your money yeah did
◼
►
you hear that Apple that's how you get a
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Brady on the hook there's a few bucks to
◼
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be made over here in the UK one customer
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►
waiting for the pro well we'll say I'll
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have a look at yours when you get it and
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decide from there I'll talk to you on
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the podcast about it but I won't
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►
actually believe what you say until
◼
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you've written article on your blog no
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Brady the one topic that relates to
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►
YouTube that never stops is copyright
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copyright on YouTube is the topic that
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►
never ever ends and we're talking by the
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two shows ago we were talking about it
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►
last show with regards to h3 h3 and
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their copyright lawsuit that has gone on
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and I thought oh we've gone through the
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copyright topic we probably won't talk
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about it again but just recently another
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thing has occurred in YouTube land with
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regards to complications over copyright
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that I I thought was a tricky case
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I just kind of wanted to bring up yeah
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are you aware at all of what's been
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going on in the world of PewDiePie and
◼
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video game copyright is this a story
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►
that's crossed your radar what's your
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►
guess I'm gonna guess no correct no idea
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what you're talking about
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yeah this is one of these funny little
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moments where I feel that we do live in
◼
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these non-overlapping bubbles of what's
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going on in the world do you know what
◼
►
happened with bricks and negotiations in
◼
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the last couple of days I literally
◼
►
didn't know exit negotiations I love it
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I love it but you know all about what's
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happening at a video game channel on
◼
►
YouTube this is the moment where again I
◼
►
can be very sympathetic to your position
◼
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because I am sitting here thinking I
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kind of can't believe that as someone
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►
who makes their living on YouTube like
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you haven't come across this thing
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that's going on and into some way shape
◼
►
or form but obviously you haven't but
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you are you would be quite right to say
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you can't believe that is someone who
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lives in the UK and has professionally
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made videos about the politics of the UK
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I have not heard anything about brexit
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we're as bad as each other we are about
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►
it is there anything I need to know
◼
►
about brexit is there anything I should
◼
►
worry about Brady just before Justin
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yeah it's still a big bows up okay great
◼
►
so I haven't met anything yet than that
◼
►
all right well let me tell you about
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something that really matters it's okay
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tell me what's happening on YouTube and
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with PewDiePie I'm gonna do a very
◼
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high-level overview of what's going on
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►
here because in some ways I don't think
◼
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that the details really matter but I
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think the broad point is more
◼
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interesting okay so PewDiePie the
◼
►
largest subscribed YouTube channel at
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the time of recordings got 50 million
◼
►
something subscribers crazy number that
◼
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he's also recently gotten in to live
◼
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streaming so playing his games live on
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the internet and he got himself into a
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whole world of trouble by saying a very
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bad word that he shouldn't have said
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what was the word it was the N word
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Brady oh okay right yeah that doesn't go
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no it doesn't go down well he said
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nobody read but not the word nobody it
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was even naughtier met he said it
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naughty word but it wasn't that N word
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that's not the word that misaeng yeah so
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he got himself into a whole load
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yeah so now PewDiePie has made videos of
◼
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fire watch right in his past he's
◼
►
recorded them they're up on his YouTube
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channel he didn't say any naughty words
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in those it was just very typical he's
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recording himself playing a video game
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and putting it up for his fans
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yeah so then what happened was the
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company that makes that video game
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because of the thing that he said on his
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livestream yeah decided to file DMCA
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takedowns against all of his videos
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featuring their content rah and he got a
◼
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copyright strike against his channel now
◼
►
in the YouTube world getting a copyright
◼
►
strike getting an official real strike
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against your channel is a pretty big
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►
deal because if you get three strikes
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your channel is just totally removed
◼
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from YouTube all of your videos are
◼
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deleted the channels just gone I think
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they elapse after a certain amount of
◼
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time I'm not 100% sure about that but
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getting three copyright strikes is a
◼
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super big deal yeah I feel like this is
◼
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right in the heart of this complicated
◼
►
topic about copyrights and also like
◼
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YouTube getting into the like the
◼
►
business of controlling content on their
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channel and it's like while PewDiePie is
◼
►
very difficult to defend in this
◼
►
situation I think there's something
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really really dangerous and really
◼
►
chilling about a company being able to
◼
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like selectively enforce the copyright
◼
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on their content based on whether or not
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they like the creator or not
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when PewDiePie first uploaded these
◼
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Firewatch videos the ones that are not
◼
►
naughty did he have their permission or
◼
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had they just turned a blind eye to the
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►
copyright because it was great publicity
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►
from a really famous youtuber like did
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he have permission and they're removing
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retrospectively like what was the status
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at the time before this n-word thing
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happened the short answer is the company
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that makes fire watch on their official
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web page have an FAQ where they say you
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can make videos about our game you can
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stream this game and you are allowed to
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monetize this game like go ahead go nuts
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okay so the the developers of the game
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did give sort of a blanket permission to
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the world of go ahead you can record
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this this video game and you can stream
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it and that was just sort of given out
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to everybody and that's part of what I
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think is this kind of dangerous thing
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that I really don't like YouTube going
◼
►
along with this of him allowing the
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company to retroactively Lee remove
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someone's content simply because they
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don't like that creator anymore there's
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something about that that feels really
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dangerous as a precedent that sets on
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YouTube and it makes me as a sometimes
◼
►
very rare game streamer a bit
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►
uncomfortable with how that has worked
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out I mean there's a certain
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►
arbitrariness to how you can enforce
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your own copyright like if the Daily
◼
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Mail pinch one of my videos I may go to
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town and try to get money out of them
◼
►
and kick up a fuss mm-hmm but if another
◼
►
organization free boots me I might have
◼
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been a good mood one day and do nothing
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I can see how you can be arbitrary on
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who you prosecute for lack of a better
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►
word for taking your material and
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Firewatch could potentially be within
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their rights if they hadn't said in the
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past this is okay so I don't think you
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►
can move the goalposts after you've done
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that like if PewDiePie was taking a risk
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►
and Firewatch had always said this is
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our game you shouldn't be streaming it
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and it turned a blind eye to PewDiePie
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for years and then one day he turned
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into a bad character and they said all
◼
►
right now we're gonna enforce like that
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would be a bit douchey but like it would
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sort of seem within the rules but if
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they have already said as you say on
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their FAQ you can stream the game
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and it was done in good faith I think
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that is very unfair it seems unfair I
◼
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really don't like that YouTube has gone
◼
►
along with that and has issued a
◼
►
copyright strike against PewDiePie it
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►
seems like two entities deciding that
◼
►
that for content reasons not for the
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like official rules reasons that they're
◼
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going to enforce the thing and that
◼
►
always just kind of makes me a little
◼
►
bit uncomfortable but it's an
◼
►
interesting situation because Let's
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Plays and people who record themselves
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playing video games on the Internet
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this is like the greatest of grey areas
◼
►
when it comes to a question of what is
◼
►
fair use and when we were talking about
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with the h3h3 lawsuit and I kept saying
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oh I think this is the bare minimum of
◼
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what I might consider fair use under the
◼
►
rules as they were written the live
◼
►
streaming stuff and the video game
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streaming stuff is like oh my god we're
◼
►
in this fog and there's no ability to
◼
►
see in any direction where we're
◼
►
actually standing and there is like this
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►
I almost want to call it like a like a
◼
►
date hunt between most video game
◼
►
companies and video game streamers where
◼
►
nobody seems to want to bring up any
◼
►
kind of court case that would actually
◼
►
resolve this like it's it is astounding
◼
►
to me that this far into YouTube and
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this far into game streaming as a hugely
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►
popular thing there have been no court
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cases that have set any meaningful
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►
precedents on the concept of is
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recording yourself playing a video game
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fair use or not no companies want to
◼
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make this move and many many companies
◼
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take the the policy sort of like what
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you were saying before of simply not
◼
►
saying anything publicly about it it's
◼
►
very interesting I kind of wonder if
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►
this thing between PewDiePie and the
◼
►
company that makes Firewatch might
◼
►
actually end up becoming one of the
◼
►
first precedent-setting court cases
◼
►
depending on how far Firewatch wants to
◼
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take it but the very concept of should
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someone recording themselves playing a
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►
video game count as fair use is a thing
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►
that I feel like I have no ability to
◼
►
come to a decision on that even as
◼
►
someone who has streamed him
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►
of playing video games I will happily
◼
►
acknowledge that that feels like it's in
◼
►
a really big gray area about how much of
◼
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this content is like transformative
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versus how much of it is just showing
◼
►
what the game developers themselves have
◼
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created so gray as you know I haven't
◼
►
been following this debate but I do know
◼
►
that PewDiePie is not famous for being
◼
►
silent on such matters
◼
►
has he been kicking up a ruckus and
◼
►
saying this is an outrage and going to
◼
►
the mattresses he's made a few videos
◼
►
about it but of course that's his stock
◼
►
he's a controversial character and then
◼
►
he gets to make videos about his own
◼
►
controversies which become popular as
◼
►
well said the guys that are still doing
◼
►
feedback an error to the episode look
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►
you know everything feeds on itself in
◼
►
some way or another brady but yeah of
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►
course he's taken the position as well
◼
►
that it's that the copyright strike is
◼
►
ridiculous and that he had permission
◼
►
from from Firewatch but that's exactly
◼
►
the position that you would expect him
◼
►
to take I mean my initial thought like a
◼
►
minute ago I was thinking maybe this is
◼
►
just like for show you know like a PR
◼
►
thing and it's just like you know that
◼
►
when you get officially sanctioned and
◼
►
no one's really angry anyone but you
◼
►
said the videos have been taken down too
◼
►
so his Firewatch videos were taken down
◼
►
he got the DMCA copyright strike and the
◼
►
thing that I find a little bit a little
◼
►
bit in this like threatening kind of way
◼
►
is that the developer of fire watch was
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►
on Twitter and was calling for other
◼
►
developers to issue copyright strikes
◼
►
retro actively against PewDiePie and
◼
►
it's like man you only need two other
◼
►
people to do that and if he gets three
◼
►
copyright strikes at once like his whole
◼
►
channel goes yeah they're not gonna do
◼
►
that to him you cheap won't let that
◼
►
happen to their biggest channel well
◼
►
this is a topic for another time but
◼
►
let's just say I would personally
◼
►
suspect that YouTube might not shed a
◼
►
tear if PewDiePie of all people were no
◼
►
longer the number one youtuber on their
◼
►
platform I don't think YouTube would be
◼
►
crying themselves to sleep at night
◼
►
thinking oh cutie pie he was the one
◼
►
that we wanted to hold up our brand to
◼
►
the world fair enough and I think
◼
►
YouTube would be way more happy if
◼
►
someone like Casey Neistat became the
◼
►
number one person and then was the
◼
►
representative of YouTube to the world
◼
►
well objectivity or objectivity of
◼
►
course there's the finalist list
◼
►
those things it's which one do they
◼
►
think they should have represent YouTube
◼
►
Kate's famous cave yeah so great what
◼
►
are you gonna do what does this mean for
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►
CGP player whatever you've killed your
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►
mom Chell my incredible gaming Chapel
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what happens now is this gonna scare you
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off you're gonna like a little
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frightened rabbit are you gonna run back
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into your hole and not make any more of
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those truck things driving channels
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things well luckily my CTV plays live
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streaming channel is a trivial portion
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of the massive empire that is gray
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industries yeah so from a like a
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personal perspective I don't have to
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worry about that because it's a it's a
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separate thing it's not connected to my
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main industry right you've got it you've
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got it registered like on the Isle of
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Wight or something I guess I think
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that's exactly right oh the bank
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accounts are offshore yeah yeah it's in
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a trust the Isle of Wight that's
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actually owning a company in the Bahamas
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right yeah we have three trustees yeah
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it's a very secure situation so the
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people who make Euro Truck Simulator
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aren't gonna be able to get their hands
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on the main channel Dulles no that's
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they're all quarantined yes it's very
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good but it really is like when I
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started doing that just for fun the
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whole copyright issue around this I
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really do find sort of fascinating
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because a lot of the argument for why
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let's play video should should be fair
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use is that the streamers will argue
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it's a kind of performance it's like
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well yes yeah the thing that you're
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looking at on the screen is content
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that's created by somebody else but
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there is a performance that is occurring
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on top of it look if I went out and
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bought at a desk juggling balls and made
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a video of me juggling added s couldn't
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say hey those are our juggling balls
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right you know I was just using their
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thing from our performance right he's
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like oh they have a copyrighted sequence
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of colours on them or the pattern right
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so it's like the Eiffel Tower at night
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you know he can't you can't photograph
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it yeah this is the argument that the
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performance makes it transformative but
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then of course like with all of these
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things there is this slider that goes
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from red letter media being totally
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transformative down to the h3 h3 video
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which is like minimally transformative
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and you have stuff that's in between
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there and Euro Truck Simulator or like
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driving American Truck Simulator when
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I'm doing that there are reasonably
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large portions where I'm simply not
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saying anything then all of a sudden we
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get to this very strange situation where
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it's like okay what is occurring on the
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screen here it's like well a man is
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driving a pretend truck on a pretend
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Road and he's saying nothing is this
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transformative I would say it's not
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transformative at all but it's also just
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a virtual representation of a real Road
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like does anybody own the copyright to
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this road that we're driving along all
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not not really it's so hard to
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understand is this fair use and I think
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is another another example of the
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internet really changing and distorting
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what these laws were originally written
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for and you end up in all sorts of
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situations where it's hard to understand
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how this stuff should apply and and I
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can't come down with any clear decision
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in my mind about should stuff like Let's
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Plays be considered fair use or not I
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think a lot of the companies that are
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making games don't want to push that
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issue either I think they're very happy
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with this date hunt of not saying
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anything but I think that this Firewatch
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thing is the first little breakdown in
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maybe this day tante can't last forever
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and at at some point someone is going to
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have to force the issue and the courts
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will have to decide whether gameplay is
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fair use or not can I just ask a quick
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thing about the truck simulator game
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yeah I haven't watched a lot of your
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►
playing videos but I've occasionally
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dipped in once or twice when I've seen
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people saying you know your pause
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playing now on Twitter mhm
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every time I look at you playing that
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game you seem to be crashing the truck
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into stuff yeah but are you good at it
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am I just happening to watch at times
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when you're making mistakes or because
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every time I've watched you play it
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you're dreadful at it now I want to get
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this on the record I'm very good at that
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game know that the problem is that
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you're drunk no Brady although I will
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say if you ever want to see an actual
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demonstration of how much alcohol
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effects you play a truck simulator game
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because sometimes I play the game on the
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couch like when my wife and I are just
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sort of watching TV and I like to have
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it as a mindless thing to do with my
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hands and it is very noticeable like
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hilariously noticeable that what I would
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consider to be a minimal amount of
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alcohol like oh I have had a glass
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of wine surely I don't feel like I'm
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affected this doesn't affect me at all
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is like truck simulator says different
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like it's it is fascinating to say as I
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I would not have guessed that my
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reflexes were different but they sure
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are different but now when I'm
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live-streaming it's it's a different
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thing simply because there's a whole
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bunch of stuff going on and they're
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people chatting like they're people who
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are interacting with me and so when I
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crash it's because people have
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distracted me in the chat you're like
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texting and driving that is exactly
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►
what's happening when you see me
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►
crashing on the Euro Truck Simulator I'm
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►
not drinking it is an advertisement for
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►
how bad texting and driving is because
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that's essentially what's occurring
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there don't text and drive kids you'll
◼
►
crash seriously don't this it's such a
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►
bad thing yeah it's it's horrific
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►
I'm serious grey it's bad man I'm deadly
◼
►
serious as well yeah I've seen a bunch
◼
►
of studies saying that it is as bad or
◼
►
worse than drinking a frequent topic on
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►
the podcast uber I think that that is
◼
►
one thing I will I will give drivers
◼
►
really harsh ratings for us if they're
◼
►
texting while driving yeah and I did it
◼
►
recently I gave a dude one-star and
◼
►
contacted uber about that this dude was
◼
►
driving dangerously because he was he
◼
►
was texting through an intersection I
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►
was like okay forget it
◼
►
I wouldn't put up with it if you were
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drinking through this intersection so
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I'm certainly gonna write it up if you
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►
were texting through an intersection I'm
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off a bit now gray oh really
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what are you doing there's not lift in
◼
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the UK he's there now I'm walking uh
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►
what are you doing I don't know yeah I
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►
just got him black cabs the other day I
◼
►
was going to install lifts I didn't know
◼
►
I couldn't do it in the UK but I hadn't
◼
►
actually got around to replacing ever
◼
►
okay so you're back on uber that's what
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►
you're saying well no I'm not back on it
◼
►
yeah and I'm not gonna use it in America
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►
why are you off it they didn't show me
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►
the respect I deserve
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no do I even want to know Brady what
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►
happened oh it's a boring corporate
◼
►
compensation corner okay alright yeah
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►
we'll leave it believe it at that with
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there is let's leave it for another day
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leave it for another day I'll let you
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►
know once it's resolved if it's
◼
►
interesting I'll let you know okay for
◼
►
now uber or on my blacklist
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►
okay the breeding blacklist hmm beware
◼
►
beware companies yeah I wanna be on that
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hi everyone welcome to my bathroom I'm
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just gonna be running you through a
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Harry shave while I talk about them it's
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some water going here
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I've got my Harry's or weaponry ready
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here I'm holding in my hand the handle
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I've gone for this weighty silver one
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you can't see it but you can hear it
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tapping against the sink here very nice
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looking and look is very expensive
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although it's not and now just let me
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put my blade onto the handle always very
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satisfying as a new one clicks into
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lovely Harry's is a company that's so
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confident that you're gonna love their
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shaving products that they'll send you a
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free trial shave set when you go to
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harrys.com slash H eye all you have to
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pay for is shipping now they're all
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about a great shave but they're also
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about a fair price and that's why over
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three million guys have started using
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them the blades are made in Germany so
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you know they're going to be made to the
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highest quality they're going to be
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super precise and they're also going to
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be pretty good at taking penalty kicks
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in soccer tournaments if my experience
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of Germans has anything to go by let's
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get things moving here be a cream not
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much of an audio experience this is a
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rubbing on my face getting things ready
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to row here now Harry's products are all
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backed by a 100% quality guarantee you
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can buy replacement blades over the web
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and they are it'll way better price than
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comparable rivals and I better
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concentrate here let me move the
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microphone so you can get some shaving
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noise listen to this quality Harry's
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shave that's done the job nicely so
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let's be clear on the offer here Harry's
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comm /h I short for hello internet for a
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free trial offer that's $13 a value for
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when you sign up you just got to cover
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the shipping and that sets going to
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include a weighted economic razor handle
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I'm holding such a handle in my
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and at the moment just connect I'm not
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it's a good shape I'm literally shaving
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right now in the set you're also gonna
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have five precision-engineered blades
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with lubricating strips trimmer blade
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you get a rich lathering gel I actually
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use the shave cream I like the hair
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use the shave cream I like the hair
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shave cream but the gel apparently is
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really good too that comes in the kit
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and you get a travel blade cover that's
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harrys.com /h I go and have a look at
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their website because they've got some
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other nicer products as well including
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sort of lotions and potions for your
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face and I know a lot of people like
◼
►
years ago were always complaining that
◼
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could only really get their hairy stuff
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in North America but I know for a fact
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they're shipping in the UK now so go and
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have a look at their website and see
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what's available there great for you
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they also make really great gifts I'm
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gonna finish the show even let you get
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back on with hello Internet his Trip
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Advisor on their blacklist no
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TripAdvisor is not on my blacklist bit
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as you have seen in the notes that is
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what I would like to ask you about next
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I was trying to do a segue their
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breeding they took a leaf out of my book
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back I'm proud of you learning from your
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vice host don't say that baby it's awful
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it's already a thing that genies out of
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the bottle you degrade yourself when you
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say vice host don't do it I already get
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emails from people calling me vice ace
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now all right what do you want to know
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►
about Trip Advisor buddy so you use Trip
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►
Advisor presumably like you know when
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you're going places and and so do i it's
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a useful resource my question is a
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do you ever contribute to Trip Advisor
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or are you like me a parasite I am NOT
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like you a parasite yeah but it's just
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by a technicality let me tell you a
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little story reading please two summers
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ago my wife and I were driving across
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America we're going to a family reunion
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and we wanted to get some breakfasts and
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at that point in my life breakfast was a
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►
very important meal to me at that point
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you're like yeah I don't do breakfast
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►
anymore it turns out breakfast is
◼
►
bullshit you don't need it that's a lie
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but two years ago gray was real grumpy
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if he didn't get his breakfast okay so
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my wife and I we look up on TripAdvisor
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we're trying to find a place and we
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eventually pick a place that looks like
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and has a reasonable TripAdvisor
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so we go into the restaurant hmm and you
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know when you're with another person
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sometimes it's it's a little bit hard to
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judge what's going on in the other
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person's mind and you know how when
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you're traveling you want you have a
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certain amount of like you want to go
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along with things yeah but I walk
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through the door of this restaurant and
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I just immediately thought I don't know
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about this I can't put my finger on what
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it is something is amiss here and where
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I on my own I would have turned around
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right then but you're with someone and
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there's like an inertia that you the two
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of you have rolled through the door
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together and so you just don't say
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anything did you think it was like
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unsafe or unhygenic or like what was the
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feel it's hard to say what it was just a
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►
little bit of something's not right okay
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the decor in the restaurant was I would
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say quirky but something just seemed off
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and I couldn't place it
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I hope this is gonna end up but from
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dusk to dawn and it was like a vampire
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hangout or something I'm afraid it was
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not a vampire hangout but there was
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►
nobody else in the restaurant which is
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►
objective thing one yeah that's a
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problem it's not that's not a good sign
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hmm there's a little bit of confusion
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the waitress eventually shows up with
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what I presume is like the owner who's
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sort of standing nearby by the counter
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like I can't quite figure out what the
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►
situation is we're looking at the menu
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we order what we're gonna order and they
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go they disappear off back into the
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kitchen the two of them hmm and I'm
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►
realizing it's super warm in this
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restaurant like uncomfortably warm as
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we're sitting there and then suddenly a
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fly lands on my wife and then I noticed
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there's some flies on the window and all
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of a sudden your senses just tune into
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it immediately like there's flies
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everywhere there's a fly in her hair
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there's flies in my hair I was like this
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►
what's going on in this restaurant and
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then as I'm like looking at my wife
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she's looking at me and she's
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recognizing all the Flies all of a
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sudden and we're getting to that moment
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of like uh-oh what have we done yeah and
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►
then we hear from the kitchen the two
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they're arguing about how the things
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that we just ordered were supposed to be
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made there's some kind of like great
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disagreement occurring in the kitchen
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yeah and so my wife and I we got up I
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took her hand and I said we're getting
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out of here and we essentially just ran
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to the car and drove away there's so
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many flies this place is so disgusting
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there's an argument occurring in the
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kitchen we're just getting out of here
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they've no explanation required we're
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►
just leaving that was the last time we
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►
ever went to big Joe's sloppy buns
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yeah that restaurant is the only time I
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have left a review on TripAdvisor I gave
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them one star and I wrote a review
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►
warning everybody else away that I go so
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that is my one and only contribution to
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which is now bigs desperately sort by
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tims across the internet aside from that
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►
one incident I'm essentially a parasite
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I have I have not reviewed anything I
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think you're pretty much parasite and
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the funny thing is I can't think of a
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nice holiday that I've been on where my
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wife and I haven't sat over like a
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lovely meal or a cocktail saying Oh what
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would we write on TripAdvisor about this
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place and we go through all the
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different things we do and like the
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►
lovely review we write and we always say
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well we must do that when we get back
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that would be really useful so many
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people have helped us with the reviews
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that's right a really useful review of
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this place you get home never do it just
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►
forget about it you discuss the
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theoretical TripAdvisor review that you
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►
would learn like we don't like you know
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►
craft the wording yeah you're not
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►
writing an article about it now are you
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you're just having a conversation yes
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they're two totally different things I
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completely understand writing an article
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about it would be would be a much more
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►
important thing to do wouldn't it I
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don't know I feel like people have been
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doing us a service and we can return the
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favor cuz it's not always just like
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praise you know oh this would be a
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useful thing to know and that we don't
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do it I don't think you should feel any
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kind of guilt about this that Brady
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because one of the ways all of these
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kinds of things were like obviously they
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are a useful reference
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but there is a part of it which is that
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if you are writing a review for
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TripAdvisor or Yelp or any of these kind
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of services hmm in that moment you're
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essentially doing advertising work for
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the place that you were visiting well I
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don't think you were advertising big joe
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sloppy buns when you wrote that really
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►
negative review or you're anti
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►
advertising you're kicking sand in their
◼
►
faiths our read reviews where I've said
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►
things like you know try to get water
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►
Villa number seven because it's got the
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►
best view of the sunset and stuff like
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that like you can get useful information
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in these things yeah but see that's a
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different thing because I feel like if I
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go to a place and there's this is the
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thing this is the good thing to do I
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feel like that's a--that's like a trade
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►
secret that I want to keep for myself I
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don't want to let people in on what the
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►
secret is when they when they visit the
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►
place I'm gonna keep the information to
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►
myself yeah I mean that's yeah but
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►
you've benefited from it when you read
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►
the review in the first place yeah
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►
that's a bit selfish isn't it fine
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that's okay but that's that's where the
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►
guilt comes from I don't feel any guilt
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about that kind of thing I'm not sitting
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here wracked with guilt and I don't like
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you know I'm not I'm not thinking like
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I'm the world's worst person and it's
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fine I think TripAdvisor would be more
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useful if more people like me wrote
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reviews mm-hmm it's like when you're
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really angry at uber and by the time you
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record the podcast you've like you know
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you've just lost the fire in your belly
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it's the same with a holiday once you're
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back home you've you've lost your
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creative flame for writing a bit of
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purple prose about how lovely the place
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works yeah I don't feel any guilt here
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because there's there's like what's
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occurring here is the interaction
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between two corporations and a while
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TripAdvisor and and services like it
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they're obviously useful to everybody it
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is also totally the fact that it's
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because of all of the user contributions
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that TripAdvisor has any value at all
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and so even if you don't feel like
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you're doing advertising work for the
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restaurant that you have just visited
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because you're you're writing about how
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there's flies everywhere and they argue
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in the kitchen yeah whatever you write
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you are still then doing a kind of
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unpaid work to build up the value of the
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company of TripAdvisor yeah okay but the
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you're willing to extract that free
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value you're just not willing to put any
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back in right it's fine it's selfish but
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it's fine and it's okay and they get
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their value in other ways I mean they
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are running ads and you know I'm not
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feeling sorry for TripAdvisor here again
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this this is a kind of company that can
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exist very differently in the Internet
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than traditional companies could yeah
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and it runs a ground of some of these
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things and don't give her a I totally
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get what you're saying and I will be the
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first to admit that I am like a parasite
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on the review systems of the world like
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I just I rarely contribute and I
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constantly extract value hmm but I don't
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feel bad about it because I do think
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these companies part of the way they're
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able to do it is that like they
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themselves are treading on a kind of
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social expectation among the users to
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contribute I just can't feel that way
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about the company where it's it's like
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well you you company are making this
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available to me for free and I am happy
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to enjoy your free resource see I think
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the difference between you and I in this
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conversation though is that I'm not even
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thinking about TripAdvisor as a company
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like to me that's an abstraction I'm
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thinking about the other holiday makers
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and me as a holiday maker and the
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relationship between us right I feel a
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bit like you know if I stumbled and fell
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down a pothole in the street hmm and
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then just walked away quietly and didn't
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tell anyone else that was there and the
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next person fell on the pothole I feel
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like oh maybe I should have told some
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people about it I'm not thinking of
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TripAdvisor I'm not thinking of the
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businesses that run holidays and the
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restaurants and the hotel's I'm thinking
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about my fellow your fellow Internet
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citizens yeah I totally get it and
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actually the pothole comparison is great
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because I think it runs parallel to what
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I was gonna say it would be a different
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so the different thing with the pothole
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is we are all members of an involuntary
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corporation which is the municipal
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government like we're all paying taxes
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into it we're all here as part of
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society like this is a coordination
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that's occurring between the large
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number of people and so the like
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reporting a pothole kind of thing like
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yeah I would totally do that I know that
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I have done that kind of
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something like TripAdvisor it just feels
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different because it's a for-profit
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entity if TripAdvisor was something kind
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of different if it was like a
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not-for-profit open-source collaborative
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thing kind of like the Wikipedia is sort
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of like I would feel more guilt about it
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which is why like my wife and I do
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contribute to Wikipedia because it feels
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like it's so much more on the on the end
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of like a social good and people have
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tried to get distributed review systems
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off the ground or things like
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distributed social networks off the
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ground they've never really taken off
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because I think this is a space that
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just ends up being one where commercial
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interests will naturally dominate but
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for me that there is a part of it that I
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cannot ignore that it this isn't just a
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direct interaction between me and fellow
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citizens that there is an entity that is
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profiting from the interaction between
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me and fellow citizens and if it was
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more peer-to-peer in the way that I
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think a government interaction would be
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or the way a different sort of system
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would be then I would genuinely feel
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more guilt for being a like a parasite
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upon the system again they you just
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►
can't get your brain away from the
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company and the money I will totally
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agree like that is a thing that is
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►
unlike the owl watches over us all right
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as we're we're contributing those
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reviews I don't agree with you right
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like I feel like I'm the same as you I'm
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►
a parasite but I feel like that defense
◼
►
doesn't work for me and I feel like to
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me that's not an acceptable position
◼
►
that you're taking like I don't care if
◼
►
you write reviews or not but to me that
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argument doesn't hold water as you make
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it there but if you then said to me I
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once wrote a review on TripAdvisor for
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my fellow man and it was removed by
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TripAdvisor or they edited it then I
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►
would completely agree with you and
◼
►
think I'll hang on a second this is just
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a company this isn't between me and the
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other holidaymakers they're editing
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things because their customers are
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►
unhappy and they're and then I would
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totally agree with you and actually I
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think that does happen on TripAdvisor so
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so I kind of probably am on your side in
◼
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a way but the single argument that the
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whole system was set up by a company
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that makes money like doesn't stop you
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taking the value from it there is also a
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►
similar thing which I totally changed my
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mind on which is when self checkout
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machines were first introduced my
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►
initial reaction long ago was this is
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►
ridiculous they're having me work as an
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unpaid employee bagging my own groceries
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►
here I guess is outrageous that the
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►
wants me to do free work for them I will
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►
do no such that and now of course as
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Luthor's no it's like I couldn't be
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►
happier to be packing my own groceries
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yeah so I'm not perfectly consistent on
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this issue but yeah that was a place
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►
where I felt the same way I was like I
◼
►
can't ignore the commercial interaction
◼
►
that's that's taking place here like
◼
►
look at you grocery store so cynically
◼
►
saving money on wages by deferring labor
◼
►
to the actual customers and now I'm now
◼
►
very happy to be part of that system got
◼
►
time for a quick paper cut blitz we
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haven't done Brady's paper cuts for so
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long I feel like every time we do paper
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cuts you say we haven't done paper cuts
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for so long but it seems like we do
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paper cuts all the time maybe one of my
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paper cuts is you not letting me do
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paper cuts enough have I ever stopped
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you from doing paper cuts Brady no never
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no you haven't I stopped you in the Edit
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sometimes in the actual moment have I
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►
ever stopped you no I never have no you
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►
just gotta make a cup of tea and let me
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►
waffle for a few minutes yeah I throw
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►
down a delete marker and then I come
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►
back yep all right I'm gonna do a
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►
lightning round okay lightning round
◼
►
lightning round so that people won't get
◼
►
bored one of my paper cuts is when I get
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an email from someone usually wanting
◼
►
some kind of commercial or work
◼
►
interaction and they will make a really
◼
►
big point of saying what a huge fan they
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are of my work and they have been for a
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►
really really long time to try and like
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►
curry my favor when they get to what
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they want and then I go and look at
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their Twitter and they don't follow me
◼
►
and there's no indication that they have
◼
►
any idea who I am whatsoever because I
◼
►
would do that if someone makes a big
◼
►
enough deal about how how much they
◼
►
personally engaged by me and how they've
◼
►
loved my videos for so long right and
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►
I'll go and look through the four or
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►
five hundred people they follow on
◼
►
Twitter and none of my Twitter's or
◼
►
channels or anything I do is there
◼
►
that's like a well you're not getting a
◼
►
if you ever want to trick me into
◼
►
thinking you really are a fan who wants
◼
►
to do business with me right at least
◼
►
follow me on Twitter a few weeks before
◼
►
you send the email like I'm not stupid
◼
►
uh-huh I'm gonna do my homework what if
◼
►
they follow hundreds of thousands of
◼
►
people on Twitter does that change this
◼
►
situation Wow yeah do you feel less
◼
►
special then well I can't go through and
◼
►
check that so I don't know but sometimes
◼
►
that make a really big deal of it you
◼
►
can tell they've even gone and done a
◼
►
little bit of like sneaky homework like
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►
oh I loved your recent video on Grahams
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►
number which is obviously they've just
◼
►
gone and had a quick look at the channel
◼
►
and seen the first title they could you
◼
►
know I'm going to investigate you'd
◼
►
further than that before I do business
◼
►
with you and if you're not following me
◼
►
well you've fallen at the first hurdle
◼
►
very enough if you're not a fan and you
◼
►
just say I want to do a deal okay
◼
►
alright we don't have to be mutual
◼
►
appreciation society here but don't tell
◼
►
me you are I don't lie
◼
►
oh were the problems that Brady has to
◼
►
deal with as someone who gets these
◼
►
kinds of emails they are hilarious
◼
►
sometimes another funny when you get
◼
►
when you do a podcast is when people who
◼
►
say they listen to the podcast obviously
◼
►
don't because that they're willing to
◼
►
suggest like one of their clients as a
◼
►
guest for your next episode on that
◼
►
queue of guests that we've had recently
◼
►
I've gotten that one so many times yeah
◼
►
it's great I love the show
◼
►
you should have my client on as your
◼
►
nest guest it's like I've got some bad
◼
►
news for you because it lets your
◼
►
clients Brady I don't think it's gonna
◼
►
be on the show I'll tell you another pro
◼
►
tip for the people who have that spammy
◼
►
Sayer job and I kind of feel sorry for
◼
►
them because you know it's a pretty
◼
►
soul-destroying thing to have to do when
◼
►
you're like copying and pasting all the
◼
►
stuff you're plagiarizing from the net
◼
►
to create this impression that you know
◼
►
who I am go through and fix your
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►
formatting so it's all like the same
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►
font size and color and type like the
◼
►
same like don't make it like
◼
►
painstakingly obvious that you have to
◼
►
copy this from that because that's bold
◼
►
and that's in italics and that's four
◼
►
points bigger than the word before like
◼
►
like if you're gonna do this cobble and
◼
►
paste right at least make it look like
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►
you wrote one coherent
◼
►
sentence I have a unique situation that
◼
►
occurs that is hilarious to me every
◼
►
time where I can tell that some sort of
◼
►
algorithm has been involved in creating
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this business the email that's coming to
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►
me because the email will be addressed
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dear CGP grey and it's CGP like the way
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►
I write it on the YouTube channel all
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together and then gray but it's capital
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C lowercase G and P and then capital
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►
gray because like nobody would write
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three initials together I'll cap that's
◼
►
crazy talk like the computer just thinks
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like the CG P must be a name so the
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first one must be capital and then the G
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and P must have to be lowercase because
◼
►
they're like your name is yeah I
◼
►
could've put grey and it's like is
◼
►
hilarious every time is like oh okay Ike
◼
►
I can see your inner workings here
◼
►
algorithm like this is the first line of
◼
►
the 10,000 emails that you have sent off
◼
►
and you are just scraping data from
◼
►
YouTube or Twitter and this one the way
◼
►
I happen to format my name just doesn't
◼
►
fit your expectations of how the forum
◼
►
email is gonna go out all right well
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►
that was supposed to be a lightning
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papercut but we seem to have gone on a
◼
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bit of a rant there do we ever do any
◼
►
topic very quickly I don't think we do
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►
no it's friendly enough there's a segue
◼
►
to my next lightning papercut is to do
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►
with things being done quickly this is
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►
dangerous territory because people who
◼
►
do this are really proud of themselves
◼
►
about doing it but my next paper cut is
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people listening to podcasts
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particularly our podcast at a higher
◼
►
speed than it was recorded at this is
◼
►
not a paper cut about people who have
◼
►
put the feature into their app I'm also
◼
►
talking about you know the ability to
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remove silences and stuff like that like
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you know there's these pradhan I've got
◼
►
all different names and stuff and it's
◼
►
very clever and I have no problem with
◼
►
people putting it in their apps because
◼
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that's what the customers want and you
◼
►
have to make yes but I think it's
◼
►
counterproductive to do it and the best
◼
►
example was in a recent episode where
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you called for a moment silence for CGP
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grey the lady penguin and we were both
◼
►
silent for a few seconds and anyone
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►
listening to it with the silence remover
◼
►
just then got the start of the next
◼
►
sentence straight away and I also think
◼
►
like speeding things up or
◼
►
moving pauses like just tramples all
◼
►
over things like comic timing mm-hmm and
◼
►
like a motion can be lost like if I say
◼
►
something to you that you can't believe
◼
►
because it's just another stupid analogy
◼
►
you leave and there's like a few moments
◼
►
of silence from you that speaks more
◼
►
than a thousand words and yet someone
◼
►
listening with all that stuff snipped
◼
►
out is missing out on that they're
◼
►
missing our art is that what is that
◼
►
with them is so do you think that the
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►
people who listen at higher speeds or
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►
with silences snipped out their only
◼
►
cheating themselves from the poor past
◼
►
class experience I think they are I
◼
►
think they're missing out on the true
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►
human experience mm-hmm but I also know
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►
the people who use these features love
◼
►
the fact they use these features so I'm
◼
►
not I know I'm not going to convert them
◼
►
but it's just a mud it's an annoyance of
◼
►
mine you know I do this right Brady yeah
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►
no no yeah I listen to this very podcast
◼
►
2x although I think that's not that's
◼
►
not quite a fair comparison but yeah I
◼
►
have occasionally by accident sent you
◼
►
the 2x version you had I know you always
◼
►
enjoy when I make that mistake but
◼
►
that's okay you know you do what you
◼
►
want but I think you're missing out and
◼
►
I have seen some people who say I listen
◼
►
to podcast X at high speed but not
◼
►
podcast why those people okay I think
◼
►
maybe you are using these features the
◼
►
way they should be used maybe you know
◼
►
some picking and choosing is good but
◼
►
overall I don't do it myself because I
◼
►
feel like I'm missing out on really
◼
►
knowing cuz I I like the people whose
◼
►
podcast I was into and I want to know
◼
►
what they really like and I think you
◼
►
really know what someone's like when
◼
►
you've you hear everything about them
◼
►
it's all about nuance yeah these things
◼
►
are nuanced removers I know what you're
◼
►
saying obviously I can't get entirely on
◼
►
board because they don't do this I use
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►
silence removal and on my podcast that I
◼
►
have I will crank some podcasts up to
◼
►
about one and a half speed which when
◼
►
you also then add in silence removal
◼
►
gets it very close to 1.8 or 2x but I am
◼
►
I'm also in that category of it depends
◼
►
on the podcast so I like I have
◼
►
different settings for different shows
◼
►
are there ones that you
◼
►
we'll leave untouched cuz you want to
◼
►
hear it you know as God intended if a
◼
►
show is a funny show or ever like if I
◼
►
just personally find the hosts funny I
◼
►
do genuinely think that removing the
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►
silence messes up some moments it does
◼
►
mess up the way the timing comes across
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►
but I think that like the higher speed
◼
►
stuff is totally like I listen to a
◼
►
bunch of shows that are sort of like
◼
►
tech news II kind of shows yeah and
◼
►
there I think it's way more appropriate
◼
►
to crank up the speed a little bit on
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►
that because it's it's not quite the
◼
►
same thing it's like I want to listen to
◼
►
a show but maybe I don't want to spend
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►
an hour on it I want to spend 30 minutes
◼
►
on I guess it says something about my
◼
►
podcast listening to then cuz I like a
◼
►
long podcast and like the longer the
◼
►
better so the last thing I'd want to do
◼
►
is like you know I don't feel like I'm
◼
►
like number five needing input having to
◼
►
read get everything into my brain as
◼
►
my podcasting is like it's sort of
◼
►
leisure time in a lot of ways I wouldn't
◼
►
like the idea of just cramming it in as
◼
►
fast as I can so I can get onto the next
◼
►
it's why I like having different
◼
►
settings on different shows and it
◼
►
depends on what the kind of show is
◼
►
obviously people who are listening to
◼
►
this very show right now at 3x with what
◼
►
the silence removed if that's the way
◼
►
you want to do it as totally fine I'm
◼
►
okay with that I will not look down upon
◼
►
your choice although if you ever ever
◼
►
meet Brady and I in person at some event
◼
►
someday it may seem like we are the
◼
►
slowest talkers in the world if you are
◼
►
used to listening us at at super high
◼
►
speed and I do see that comment very
◼
►
often when people jump on the youtube
◼
►
version of the show because it doesn't
◼
►
have whatever their podcast app settings
◼
►
are stuck at look like oh I thought the
◼
►
two of these guys were drunken and I
◼
►
realized oh I'm just listening to it at
◼
►
One X speed on YouTube instead of reacts
◼
►
so I've had my paper cuts you know that
◼
►
means I think we need a quick episode of
◼
►
the buzz CGP grey have you got a buzz
◼
►
for me I don't really have a an episode
◼
►
of the buzz because there isn't that
◼
►
much be news grab a mic for people
◼
►
I'm trying to always tell me that
◼
►
there's tons of B news there it's not
◼
►
necessarily the case I'm just I'm going
◼
►
B no don't no you don't need to go click
◼
►
into the news tab there is a lot of B
◼
►
news great no there's no there's no
◼
►
penis I don't need to do that
◼
►
I could read you seven excellent news
◼
►
stories from the last five hours that
◼
►
are all that B's it's not true the B
◼
►
it's very staid but okay I just want to
◼
►
bring your attention to the emoji pedia
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►
page for the honeybee emoji I've sent
◼
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you the link okay in iMessage I'm
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looking at all the pictures of the base
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we have brought up emoji fragmentation
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on this show yeah primarily in the
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context of you being upset that the wolf
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emoji no longer looks like Audrey which
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is of course the way it should be
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because it should look like a wolf not
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like a little chihuahua but I've got to
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say this page for what Abby's look like
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so we've got all these different Bay's
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for like Apple and Google and Microsoft
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and Samsung and LG and Facebook and
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Twitter and yeah I don't understand why
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everybody has to have a totally
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different set of emojis and these be
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ones some of them ours are like
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unspeakably terrible can we get our act
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together with the different emojis can't
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we consolidate them why do we have to
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have these different ones why do we have
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to have different communication between
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people if I want to send someone a
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picture of a bee and I think I'm sending
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them like a cute little bee and then I
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actually end up sending them something
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that just looks like a bug we need to
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consolidate these things yeah there is
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some differences in tone that could
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cause problems the question I have is if
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you were in charge of emojis whose emoji
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on this list would you use as the
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well I have an iPhone I have to say
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personally I have always thought that
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Apple's emojis are terrible hmm I've
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never liked Apple going for this little
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3d emoji space they're like too small
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and yet too detailed I have never ever
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liked apples emojis yeah I think for on
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a small scale you should have a flatter
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design for what your emojis look like
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you've clearly thought about this loads
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like I love how you think about this
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stuff but don't you think that makes
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it does make sense yeah it does make
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sense I agree with you I think typically
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well that is changing how small we look
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at our emojis but okay yeah like Apple
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and begin their emojis last year and
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they made them three times larger but
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they're still there's still not huge
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►
icons right that they're drawn with a
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►
lot of detail I mean what do you think
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of the Apple ones I don't mind Apple
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emojis I'm not someone who would
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necessarily favor cutesiness and Apple
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maybe is going a little bit down the
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cutesy path but I can see why you would
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favor 2d but in the case of the be out
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an eye you haven't answered my question
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yet which one are you gonna favor of the
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ones on the lists there cuz I have to
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say that's a bad bunch there's nothing
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that's really great here it's a swarm of
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bad emojis at the top we have apple with
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a fat B that looks like no B I have ever
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seen yet it's still trying to be like a
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like a drawing of a B it's like if you
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had a yellow balloon and you drew a
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couple of stripes on it and you said ad
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C that's a be great you know
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nailed it you're not gonna like me
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saying this but that's almost the best
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►
of the bunch though it almost is though
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I agree looking down at the bottom
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there's like emoji decks and emoji one
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bees that are terrible looking although
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I've never come across those things I
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►
don't know what they are the emerging
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►
yeah the emoji decks one I don't even
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►
know what I'm moti Texas but I've got a
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►
terrible emoji for a bee
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whoever is out there using emoji decks
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►
I'm sorry that that's that's what your
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thing is I can't even like invent what
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that is in my head what emoji Dex is
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►
like from the name whatever it is the
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►
representation of a bee is like a man in
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a bee costume wearing a mask stealing
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some honey that's honey he said okay
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►
I do not know anyway come on pick one
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►
Facebook ones all right it's ugly though
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►
it's sort of 3d but not really too much
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►
Brown and not enough black but like the
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►
Mozilla one looks like I designed that
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►
that's how bad it is the Twitter one is
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►
also terrible the Microsoft one like I
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►
don't know what's going on there
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►
someone went crazy with the stroke tool
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►
in Photoshop Microsoft is a big fan of
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►
thick strokes on their emoji now
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►
here's the thing I'm actually gonna have
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►
to say that I would probably go with
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Microsoft or I would go with Twitter but
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part of that is the overall design
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aesthetic of emojis so if you click on
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►
the icon for the Microsoft B where you
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►
click on the icon for the Twitter B
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it'll bring up what all the Microsoft
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emoji look like and what all the Twitter
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►
emoji look like okay and I feel like it
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►
is it is inarguable that the flat
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►
designs look more consistent as a bunch
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►
together than the 3d designs of emojis
◼
►
they definitely are more consistent yes
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►
yeah I really like Twitter's emojis
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I think the Microsoft emojis are very
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►
good and I think the Apple emojis are
◼
►
terrible and I don't like them every
◼
►
time and as my wife often points out to
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►
her great frustration the Apple emojis
◼
►
are all also really biased towards
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►
everything being happy like the Apple
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►
ones is hard to express a wide range of
◼
►
negative emotions with the Apple emojis
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►
it's it's like we're all locked in some
◼
►
kind of black mirror future where smiles
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►
are the things that are best for us to
◼
►
express does your wife who she wants to
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►
express a bit more negativity in her
◼
►
life yes yes that is exactly correct
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she's the most positive texter I've ever
◼
►
met like she's the most positive texture
◼
►
you ever met because she's doing it
◼
►
through the Apple system right and so
◼
►
it's nothing but smiley faces right
◼
►
that's that's the range of expression
◼
►
that she is limited to okay so I'm gonna
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►
say if I had to pick a B emoji I would
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►
go with Twitter or I would go with
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►
Microsoft but that is in the context of
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them looking better as a series of
◼
►
consistent flat emojis well that wasn't
◼
►
what I asked you for I didn't ask you
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►
for like you know to appraise the whole
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►
system I just wanted it to be like a
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►
versus B the Google one though the
◼
►
Google one what's going really I'm
◼
►
trying to I'm trying to rock the whole
◼
►
world into the way I want it to be it's
◼
►
like Whitby emoji is it gonna be I want
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►
to change all of key emojis the Google
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►
one is like what were they doing like
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►
because the eyes are on the same side of
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►
the face as like the wings yes so it's
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►
like it's heads been like
◼
►
yanked around what do they even know how
◼
►
B works yeah the Google B emoji is an
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►
exorcist emoji right it's it's the B
◼
►
should be looking the other way but
◼
►
they've given it human eyes and it has
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►
rotated its head 180 degrees to be
◼
►
looking at you as you select it the
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►
Samsung one is like a cute image but
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►
it's not an emoji mm-hmm it's like a
◼
►
little drawing so I'm going with
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►
Microsoft I'm going with Twitter that's
◼
►
what I'm gonna have to go with here and
◼
►
although I generally agree with some of
◼
►
your sentiment about the Apple emoji so
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►
I'm gonna go for the Apple emoji really
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►
I like that B I'd like to watch it fly
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►
cuz it's kind of fat and like so it
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►
looks like it would struggle to fly I'm
◼
►
kind of rooting for him a bit like I
◼
►
feel sad I'm sorry I can see what you
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►
mean it almost looked like it's easy a
◼
►
bit dopey this is also a case where if
◼
►
it's going to be this detailed I feel
◼
►
like it should be fuzzy like it like
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►
bees actually are it's not enough detail
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►
it just looks like a balloon
◼
►
alright gray I'm throwing it out there I
◼
►
want to see Tim's design a bee emoji put
◼
►
them on the subreddit see if someone can
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►
come up with a bee emoji that is worthy
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►
of Grey's praise this episode of Hello
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show GRA just to finish up we're going
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to quickly talk about a film which
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obviously means there'll be a little bit
◼
►
of spoiling us but we like to do that at
◼
►
the end of shows right so there'll be
◼
►
nothing else in the show except you and
◼
►
a film called the circle
◼
►
starring Emma Watson or Hermione Granger
◼
►
as my wife said every time she came on
◼
►
screen for the first 10 minutes of the
◼
►
film yeah I was gonna say what why was
◼
►
this such a question mark at the end of
◼
►
her name but that's but that's what it
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►
was if you're trying to think of what is
◼
►
their actual name that's the first -
◼
►
Hermione Granger right and also starring
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►
Tom Hanks and quite a few other good
◼
►
actors starring the guy from Star Wars
◼
►
whose name I don't know yep and I'll
◼
►
tell you what you would be happy I went
◼
►
into this as spoiler free as a human
◼
►
could almost be because we were thinking
◼
►
what film we're gonna watch tonight and
◼
►
more so know what about that new Netflix
◼
►
one that's got Tom Hanks and him only
◼
►
Granger in it and I said okay that can't
◼
►
be bad it's got Tom Hanks in oh and I
◼
►
had no idea whatsoever what the film was
◼
►
gonna be about no idea oh that's
◼
►
interesting because you must have
◼
►
forgotten that a while ago on hello
◼
►
internets we were talking about Tom
◼
►
Hanks in a passing way about how he
◼
►
always plays a good guy and there were a
◼
►
bunch of comments on that episode about
◼
►
how oh there's a movie coming up with
◼
►
Tom Hanks where he's going to play the
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►
villain and it's called the circle well
◼
►
we'll come to that then we'll come to
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►
that issue but no I didn't remember that
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►
that did pass me by Tom and even when
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►
Tom Hanks was playing a bad guy he's
◼
►
still a good guy like in that one where
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►
he's like a killer for the mob or
◼
►
whatever and he's still like a good
◼
►
Tom Hanks this is lovely anyway so I
◼
►
watch this film knowing nothing and at
◼
►
the end of it I thought I wonder what
◼
►
gray thinks of this film so I I like
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►
sent you a text saying gray you need to
◼
►
watch this film because I think we
◼
►
should talk about on hello Internet and
◼
►
you told me you don't he watched it yep
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►
yep I watched it a few weeks ago with my
◼
►
wife it was a simile she was looking
◼
►
around on the Netflix thinking who what
◼
►
what should have watched and thought oh
◼
►
here's the movie with Hermione Granger
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►
this looks great let's watch this and I
◼
►
was happy to go along this is a case
◼
►
where I had actually read the book it
◼
►
was originally a book and sometimes I
◼
►
read a book and like I have a very hard
◼
►
time getting into fiction I have a very
◼
►
hard time finding fiction books that I
◼
►
really like and there is a complaint
◼
►
that I would say I've had more
◼
►
frequently about fiction books that I
◼
►
have picked up which is fiction books
◼
►
that feel like they are begging to be
◼
►
turned into movies like it feels like
◼
►
less like I'm reading a book and more
◼
►
like I'm reading a sales
◼
►
proof-of-concept that a thing should be
◼
►
turned into a movie yeah and like I read
◼
►
the circle it was fine
◼
►
but that was one thing that I felt
◼
►
intentional or not felt very strongly in
◼
►
that one is like I think you really want
◼
►
this to be a movie yeah and you've
◼
►
you've actually just written a book that
◼
►
you can sell enough of to convince
◼
►
someone to turn into a movie I get yeah
◼
►
I haven't read the book obviously but I
◼
►
have read books like that and who say I
◼
►
understand so you watch the film but you
◼
►
had you obviously went in with
◼
►
considerably more knowledge then about
◼
►
at least what the film was gonna be
◼
►
about one could say I had a lot I had a
◼
►
head full of spoilers about what might
◼
►
happen in the movie unless they took a
◼
►
dramatically different turn which they
◼
►
mostly didn't so for people who are
◼
►
listening who have not seen the film
◼
►
that want to hear what we have to say
◼
►
about it do you want to kind of just
◼
►
like encapsulate what the films about in
◼
►
the nuttiest of nutshells it's a movie
◼
►
that is very much of its time right now
◼
►
the basic plot is that Hermione Granger
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gets hired by a company that is clearly
◼
►
a kind of Google stroke Facebook
◼
►
amalgamation and she is working at this
◼
►
company and the purpose of the company
◼
►
is to spread these these very small
◼
►
high-resolution video cameras all over
◼
►
the world now that's the new product
◼
►
yeah that's the new product yeah like
◼
►
you say there like a Facebook II social
◼
►
media app illegally yeah it's a bit
◼
►
unclear precisely what this company
◼
►
called the circle does right now but
◼
►
it's it's it's like oh there's a search
◼
►
engine social network II kind of company
◼
►
with lots of everything in one yeah
◼
►
exactly yeah and the driving force of
◼
►
the plot is that they are manufacturing
◼
►
these video cameras that if they're
◼
►
going to put all over the world that
◼
►
will eventually then be able to record
◼
►
all of the information that's occurring
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►
everywhere like that it that is the
◼
►
driving force of the plot okay and then
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►
yeah and Hermione Granger away she's bit
◼
►
of an underling at the company gets
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►
heavily drawn into it all by a series of
◼
►
coincidences and becomes a real linchpin
◼
►
to the whole marketing campaign and she
◼
►
also then becomes like the subject of a
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►
test run with these cameras where
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►
everyone in the world follows her life
◼
►
stuff like that so gray you know early
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►
on I like to get a thumbs up or down of
◼
►
which ways the which way is the thumb
◼
►
pointing this is one time I'm very happy
◼
►
to just say it at the beginning because
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►
I thought this movie was terrible gray
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►
uh I think you are over rating it by
◼
►
calling a terrible this film like almost
◼
►
made me angry taking time away from I
◼
►
don't know why I kept watching it I just
◼
►
sort of felt like oh I just guess I have
◼
►
to know how it ends it was very
◼
►
interesting having read the book which
◼
►
again I would describe as kind of a meh
◼
►
but like fine book but it was it was so
◼
►
interesting to have I've read that and
◼
►
thought like oh obviously this should be
◼
►
a movie like so many of the things that
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►
are happening in this book would be much
◼
►
better as a movie turns out not seconds
◼
►
out you really wanted this to be a movie
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►
and it's funny that you say that because
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I would say that my wife and I have
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►
watched a very large number of movies
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►
that I would fairly described as as
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►
terrible but my wife was also in the
◼
►
kind of like angry that she had spent
◼
►
time in her life on this film mine too
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►
mine too it was the angriest I've seen
◼
►
her for years I'm not even joking
◼
►
she was like really mad as film for
◼
►
being so just for being bad not because
◼
►
it raised issues that upset her or
◼
►
anything just like that's just the
◼
►
badness of it like it was insulting that
◼
►
it came into our lounge room but yeah so
◼
►
this movie was shockingly awful and I
◼
►
think it was also interesting that it's
◼
►
it's movie with two pretty big stars
◼
►
that was just yeah terrible because I
◼
►
felt like you're like oh they've taken a
◼
►
book that was begging to be a movie they
◼
►
put Tom Hanks in it they have Hermione
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►
they must be super confident about this
◼
►
this is going to be great and it was not
◼
►
did I read the script
◼
►
I mean did Tom Hanks write the script
◼
►
that's the thing I always wonder I would
◼
►
love to know do actors know that they're
◼
►
in a terrible movie this is a question I
◼
►
find myself asking all the time I
◼
►
suspect not because I think there has to
◼
►
be so much that happens after the
◼
►
production like a movie must depend so
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►
heavily on the Edit how things turn out
◼
►
in post-production sort of famously a
◼
►
lot of the documentaries about Star Wars
◼
►
say that this was the case that the
◼
►
first cut of the movie john-boy George
◼
►
Lucas was unwatchable and bad and it was
◼
►
totally saved in the editing and when
◼
►
they were filming as well I think some
◼
►
of them thought what is this nonsense
◼
►
what are we doing Ben Kenobi with has
◼
►
these letters that he wrote home to
◼
►
friends the house is terrible movie gods
◼
►
which is hilarious it's a real I can't
◼
►
believe I have to do this nonsense it's
◼
►
ridiculous so III do wonder and I just
◼
►
have to assume that you don't know as an
◼
►
actor that you're filming a thing and
◼
►
you just you hope it comes out well but
◼
►
you don't know for sure if they know
◼
►
when they watch it what do you think
◼
►
when they set for the first viewing they
◼
►
were like oh my god well that turn that
◼
►
bad what do you think maybe that so
◼
►
they kind of can still see it through
◼
►
rose-tinted glasses I think everybody
◼
►
knows bad movies I think Tom Hanks was
◼
►
probably a slinking down in his chair at
◼
►
the premiere going like oh god this this
◼
►
ended up being terrible yeah I think you
◼
►
would know don't you I don't know maybe
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►
you don't maybe when you're in something
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you like you to skip like starry-eyed
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and think oh wow look at me on the
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screen like I'm awesome
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but anyway if you had to just give a
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couple of key reasons as to why it was
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bad for the sake of having reviewed it
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what were your main thoughts about it
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what made it bad here is why I think
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your wife my wife you and me don't just
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think that the movie is bad but sort of
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our angry at it so I have this policy
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willing to watch movies in the house
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which is when you start watching the
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movie movies don't change whatever
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happens in the first five minutes of a
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movie that's probably what you're going
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to get for the next 90 minutes whatever
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the tone is like or if if the first few
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minutes are really bad like that's not
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going to turn around yeah some movies
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managed to have a very clever strong
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opening and then they kind of lose it
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but if a thing is bad like it you are
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you were going nowhere in this movie
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what makes a circle kind of frustrating
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is it feels like it it stayed at the
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level of being like just sort of mildly
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interesting enough that you wanted to
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keep watching it while failing to
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deliver on any of the satisfactions that
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good storytelling would actually do so
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it's like if the movie was worse we
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would have stopped watching it sooner
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and just been like well that's terrible
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and turn it off but it was just at that
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threshold of I'm still watching this but
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it is awful it is absolutely awful but I
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can't quite make it stop I think that's
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why the movie is angering yeah I mean no
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that's not my opinion but yeah why do
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you think it was so terrible the classic
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reason of bad storytelling is Kay like
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the motivation of the characters
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particularly the main character
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so utterly baffling mm-hmm like why she
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says the things she says and why she
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does the things she does she just
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changes and like one minute you think
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like she's like me and she can see that
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this is all wrong like she's doing these
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look she's got this look like this seems
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so wrong you know you think she's gonna
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be the Crusader and then suddenly she's
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like becomes the villain and like she's
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saying oh yeah we need you know we need
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to do more of this and this is really
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good like I completely do not understand
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her as a human being like she's so
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poorly written that I'm not blaming Emma
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Watson like you know she was just like
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and she just she read the lines but like
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the motivation of that character and all
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the other characters is so completely
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unrealistic and crazy and like the
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villains like the villains of the pace
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like who I guess is supposed to be Tom
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Hanks and his offsider who hardly ever
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speaks but I think we're supposed to
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hate as some kind of villain like we
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never know anything about them so like
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at the end when they supposedly get
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their comeuppance and get stitched up
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I'm like what did they do wrong yeah
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like in fact they were kind of nice yeah
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like when things started going bad for
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Emma Watson they're like you know take
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some time off you know do whatever you
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want they were in violence they were
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just like guys who wanted to be
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successful in business and thought their
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product was pretty good so I didn't
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dislike the villains if the hero I
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thought was just a complete lunatic who
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like I never knew what she was gonna do
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because I don't know what she was but
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also just the whole idea and the way
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like technology and the internet and
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social media was portrayed it was like
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it was written by some corporate
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executive that just learned about
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Facebook like it felt like it was
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written by like an old person who
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doesn't get it it kind of had this
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►
feeling of like it's about like five
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►
years too late mm-hmm and all like these
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like hmm how what thought-provoking
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►
ideas you're posing about surveillance
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and social networking and the way
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relationships work in the online world
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►
this is so fascinating these insights
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you're putting before me it felt like
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naive like have you got anything else to
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►
poorly executed in so many ways
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►
obviously had some money and I could
◼
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kind of looked all right like you know
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►
the sets were good and the campus where
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it was filmed like the you know the the
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Apple Campus Tech place was filmed
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mm-hmm was okay you know
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►
it was InFocus see the movie poster now
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the circle all right pictures of the
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actors it was a focus the whole art of
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making a movie is is a thing that I find
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kind of fascinating I'm like why is a
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movie good why is the movie not good
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it's often harder to articulate what
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like why something works or it it
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doesn't this was a movie where I felt
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like okay your premise I am so ready to
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get on board your premise that a global
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surveillance society might not be an
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unmitigated good that if we have cameras
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that are recording everywhere in public
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all the time and everybody is also
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live-streaming their life all the time
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that maybe there are some downsides it's
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like I am so ready to get on board but
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then I'm watching this movie where the
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►
whole premise is this is a bad thing I
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►
feel like you're not selling me on it
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►
movie I feel unconvinced but also there
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►
was no understanding how anyone was
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motivated by anything like her her old
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friend her old friend who's like you
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know the guy that lives in the cabin in
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the woods why is he so anti Internet
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►
what happened to him that made him so
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against it to a point where he like you
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►
know drives off a bridge because he's
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►
scared of being filmed like I don't get
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►
why he was so scared of cameras like
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your reaction made no sense to me like I
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►
know it's not nice but you just
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►
overreacted and the other guy you know
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the the genius lurking in the shadows
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►
ooh was he always able just to hack into
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everyone's emails like all the bosses
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like he does at the end like and what
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►
what was he motivated by what happened
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to him that made him so want to go off
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►
grid and be so auntie his invention and
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►
how did he get access to all this stuff
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►
and when they announced this invention
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and they're saying we're gonna film
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everyone in the world 24/7 everything
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like that's so obviously like a
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pantomime villain idea but no one ever
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►
questioned it like it would have been a
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►
bit more realistic if someone said yeah
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I know you're gonna have some privacy
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►
concerns and we understand that but
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we've looked into it and we've got this
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and that like that would have made it
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realistic but it was so unrealistic that
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everyone had just like be all gooey odd
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and go oh what a great idea let's all
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clap like it was like a parody of like
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you know an apple launch event you
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►
needed some kind of realism some kind of
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questioning some kind of grittiness to
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it like everything was just such a
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cliche it was so cliched like I said
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►
before it was so lacking in any nuance
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►
that it made well didn't make it
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►
unwatchable because I watched the whole
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bloody thing but that makes it worse
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►
that was the fear you couldn't turn it
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►
off either I should have turned it off
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►
yeah you'll never get those hours of
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your life back but it was an
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impressively bad movie and they said
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►
things made no sense or Hermione Granger
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most of the time I feel like she's just
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like with the TripAdvisor stuff she's
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like being a chump who's doing all this
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►
work for the company and becoming like
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the spokesperson of their huge products
◼
►
you like to what benefits to her it's
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►
never clear at all why she would want to
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do this it's like it makes no sense at
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►
all she's she's sitting in some board
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meeting that's being live broadcast of
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the world and like all these ridiculous
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►
things are being said and she suddenly
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pipes up with let's make every single
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person in the world be a member of you
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know our Facebook circle like and make
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it compulsory right and like where the
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►
hell did that come from
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I didn't think even Tom Hanks was
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►
thinking of that look obviously he was
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►
that was supposed to be like the Senate
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but it was like she was so nothing at
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the end of the film do you understand
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the end of the film it makes no sense
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like she she brings down the supposed
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villains who as far as I could tell have
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done nothing wrong they've just been
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normal company owners right with that
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except they're trying to sell except it
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turns out they have secret email
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accounts so obviously that been up to
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maybe there are two villains that I
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don't know what they were doing and like
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you know maybe they were putting bad
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things in the water whatever but then
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she says to everyone come with me like
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you know Oh lead the way and I think I
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don't want her leading the company she's
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the one who's been coming up with all
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the terrible ideas and then at the end
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she's like being filmed and everything's
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being filmed and it's like okay so this
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is this confused premise of the ending
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Hermione Granger is live-streaming her
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entire life which is portrayed as a
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thing which is kind of ruining her
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entire lives ruining her family
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relationships is ruining her personal
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relationships but she loves it and it's
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great and it's fantastic yes
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►
she's like this is great she's rising up
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through the company as the spokesperson
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for how live-streaming should work and
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the comeuppance that she gets the
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villain Tom Hanks is by just sort of
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tricking him onstage to agree to
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his life as well but this is all just
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part of everyone will livestream all of
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their lives so that is the conclusion is
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like hahaha we got what we pulled one
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►
over on Tom thanks we're gonna make him
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livestream his life but as part of just
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making everybody live stream their light
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it's like what's the victory here I
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don't understand I don't understand how
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this is supposed to be like ha ha ha
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►
she's won like the music is telling me
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that we've won but I don't understand at
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all what's occurred here it's also again
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►
so lacking in nuance like if tomorrow
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Apple came out with this invention us
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and everyone you know you have to wear a
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camera so we can watch every single move
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of your life right it would be five
◼
►
seconds before someone said well I hope
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Tim Cook's gonna be the first person to
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wear one right that would take five
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►
seconds like that's such an obvious
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►
thing but here it was like but you never
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►
saw that one coming and you've got no no
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►
out Sephora or no like way to wiggle out
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►
of it the CEO of the company using their
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own products this never occurred to me
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like if he doesn't want to wear a lot
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surely he would have already thought
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about this a million times and had all
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and yes I'd like to wear the camera have
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only Granger but for legal reasons and
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to do with the you know share price of
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the company or like you know I'm sure he
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could come up with a thousand reason yes
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not where and not just sit there like a
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stun mullet and thing yeah oh you've got
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me I'm pretty sure broadcasting some of
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those secret meetings would be like an
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SEC violation right like I think they
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were taking about two seconds to come up
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with legitimate reason why he couldn't
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do and if that guy who hacked all the
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emails has always had the ability to get
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look cuz she goes to him doesn't she
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that she goes to this mystery handsome
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man who says I need you to help me like
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she obviously just said to him that
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►
night before can you go and get all the
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well if he's like really worried about
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this company anyway and he's always been
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so I'm sorry gray this is what bad
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►
movies do to you right they they bounce
◼
►
around in your head and and you feel
◼
►
like you need to vent them out it's like
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►
you gotta get rid of this terrible movie
◼
►
this one upset me in a different way to
◼
►
say the hobbit' I think the reason maybe
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is because it's such a a black mirror
◼
►
wannabe and black mirror is so good like
◼
►
nerd did all this stuff so well yeah
◼
►
it's like daytime TV black mirror I also
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personally feel like it's a horrific ly
◼
►
wasted premise and opportunity because I
◼
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genuinely think there is some
◼
►
interesting discussion to be had about
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these kind of giant technological
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companies that run our lives in a in a
◼
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very different way from what's occurred
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►
before do you not think that's been if a
◼
►
hack made like cliche discussion though
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►
I know I know what you're gonna say but
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it's like I'm very fortunate that I've
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had the experience of being on the
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campuses of a bunch of these companies
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and it's just deeply weird in a way that
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►
is hard to articulate there is something
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►
that is interesting there to be
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►
discovered and to be explored
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►
hmm I dunno what you're saying about it
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►
being a hackneyed conversation about
◼
►
like oh you know weyland-yutani is an
◼
►
evil company that's trying to destroy
◼
►
all of our lives but I do think that
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►
there is something different in the
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►
world now about really living in a place
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►
a very few companies have such
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tremendous power and and influence going
◼
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back to just touch very briefly on the
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on the copyright thing but it is one of
◼
►
the reasons why like the goings on of
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how are people able to express
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themselves on a place like YouTube we're
◼
►
on Twitter it's so central to the
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►
conversation because those places are so
◼
►
incredibly important and silencing
◼
►
people on the on these platforms is like
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I think we're way past the point where
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you can just say like oh oh it's just a
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►
company and they can do whatever they
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►
want it's like these are companies with
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power that rivals governmental powers
◼
►
and so I really do think like there
◼
►
could have been a much better version of
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this movie which which might have had
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►
something to say on on these topics and
◼
►
the setting of like in real life like
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Facebook is such a such a surreal
◼
►
setting for a movie to take place and
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►
that there's a way to like show the
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►
viewer how this place is so different
◼
►
and I almost want to use the word like
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►
cult-like then normal company
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►
experiences mm-hmm but that's where the
◼
►
the circle just failed to deliver across
◼
►
all of these areas and so it just feels
◼
►
like oh you wasted a great premise and
◼
►
you wasted a great setting on a movie
◼
►
that makes no sense which is what makes
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►
it twice as infuriating as it would be
◼
►
if it was just a bad movie if it feels
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►
to me more like oh it's this could have
◼
►
been great but it was terrible do you
◼
►
disagree yeah okay I mean to sort of
◼
►
slightly exaggerate what you've just
◼
►
done it's almost like you've watched a
◼
►
really really bad detective movie and
◼
►
you're saying oh this could have been a
◼
►
good detective movie it was good yeah
◼
►
but it wasn't it was bad like yeah okay
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►
I agree that you could make a really
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good film and you're right there
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►
probably hasn't been a lot of films
◼
►
about that sort of things yeah oh yeah I
◼
►
will complete I really I think you can
◼
►
make a good movie about anything I find
◼
►
myself more frustrated when
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I feel like there's a particular setting
◼
►
that has has been kind of wasted so if
◼
►
you feel that there hasn't been or they
◼
►
haven't been enough or any really good
◼
►
movies really critiquing the culture of
◼
►
these big mega tech companies yeah I
◼
►
think this is this is a cinematic
◼
►
universe that has not been portrayed in
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►
a way that I feel like you know what
◼
►
what's so deeply weird about the
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►
Facebook campus I feel like that is that
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►
is a an area to be explored that has
◼
►
that has not been explored properly yeah
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►
fair enough fair enough
◼
►
so you're not gonna recommend that
◼
►
people watch the circle if they've made
◼
►
it to the end of the part you know
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►
whatever you do for the love of God go
◼
►
and check out some objectivity get some
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►
Keith watch some Keith what you cut the
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gray videos too if you want