Roderick on the Line

Ep. 257: "Sonic Posture"


  [Music] [TS]

  hello hi John [TS]

  hi Merlin as gone well we're starting [TS]

  off this podcast with me in motion [TS]

  moving from this room to that room I'm [TS]

  carrying my whole podcast studio with me [TS]

  geez yeah it's very complicated here [TS]

  today there's a complicated sonic [TS]

  posture to the to the whole estate okay [TS]

  are you gonna even a clueless on what [TS]

  has made the posture and what in [TS]

  particular made it complicated yeah yeah [TS]

  so so I was I was working on my house [TS]

  this summer and I did the thing where [TS]

  you know where I had a thing that I [TS]

  wanted to do it wasn't an easy fix [TS]

  I wanted to fix the front porch which [TS]

  had which had sustained quite a bit of [TS]

  weather damage and and I felt like I was [TS]

  equal to the task my carpentry was equal [TS]

  to the task so I began to begin to work [TS]

  on the on the porch and I got I got to [TS]

  to a place where I needed to tear some [TS]

  stuff apart and you know I get a little [TS]

  zealous I get a little obsessed and I [TS]

  continue to tear the thing apart because [TS]

  I kept finding things that needed to be [TS]

  remediated and then I tore the whole [TS]

  porch part oh boy [TS]

  and then I studied it for a couple of [TS]

  weeks a lot of people will tell you [TS]

  there's there's a lot to carpentry [TS]

  everybody knows that you need good tools [TS]

  you need to measure twice all that kind [TS]

  of stuff mm-hmm [TS]

  but sometimes you just need to look at [TS]

  where your porch used to be that's a big [TS]

  part of carpentry yeah it is and I had a [TS]

  little bench there some look at where [TS]

  ports used to be and and say why and I [TS]

  say why not why not right that's right [TS]

  that's a Bobby candy was talking about I [TS]

  right before sirhan sirhan get you soon [TS]

  so I have a little park bench there that [TS]

  also needs repair that I was gonna get [TS]

  to right after the porch and I would sit [TS]

  on the broken park bench and survey the [TS]

  damage that I'd done in progress [TS]

  yeah and I had a bunch of different [TS]

  stuff I bought some lumber at the [TS]

  lumberyard that was on sale and I had [TS]

  that stacked there Oh God and I spent a [TS]

  couple of days working with the the chop [TS]

  saw to get my mitered edge technique and [TS]

  then I who I had a lot of stuff to do I [TS]

  went out of town I kind of left the [TS]

  porch in its current state oh I did I [TS]

  mentioned that I had dug a trench around [TS]

  the porch a moat so it wasn't really [TS]

  possible from the mail delivery person [TS]

  and the UPS people to really transit [TS]

  through my yard without it being kind of [TS]

  a conventionally not conventionally [TS]

  approachable why'd you make a trench [TS]

  Sean well because I wanted to do some [TS]

  further remediation against you know the [TS]

  the elements and also I have in mind to [TS]

  build a path a walkway but I needed to [TS]

  get down there and put some cement board [TS]

  some hardy board as we call it down [TS]

  beneath the lay the level of the you [TS]

  know the the ground so that it wasn't I [TS]

  don't like a porch that has just sort of [TS]

  lattice on it [TS]

  I want a porch to feel solid like it's [TS]

  really connected to the earth mmm [TS]

  which means in my case digging a trench [TS]

  and putting Hardy board down Hardy board [TS]

  below the surface of the earth and then [TS]

  fit back filling the earth and then [TS]

  putting up the wood belly board and then [TS]

  the mitered I learned so many times - oh [TS]

  yeah so I surveyed you Hardy boards free [TS]

  to the belly boards is that right I mean [TS]

  there are some people that would be they [TS]

  would make belly board on a hardy person [TS]

  that fixes their porch in a weekend you [TS]

  this is a more room a new ruminative [TS]

  process for you right I'm not that kind [TS]

  of guy [TS]

  so anyway I'm studying this I started [TS]

  coming back from my long trip I [TS]

  continued [TS]

  to study the porch and my friend Peter [TS]

  happens along and Peter says I was [TS]

  walking through the through a different [TS]

  neighborhood a nice neighborhood let's [TS]

  call it and there was a carpenter there [TS]

  named psalm a Cambodian guy named Psalm [TS]

  who was doing some great carpentry work [TS]

  on this house that I passed by that [TS]

  looked nice and so I got his card here [TS]

  it is he's a professional carpenter this [TS]

  is this is Peter you know passing by [TS]

  being a pal and at one point I was like [TS]

  ah you know I've been studying this [TS]

  problem now for several weeks maybe I'll [TS]

  give Psalm a call see what he has to say [TS]

  so psalm comes out he says well it's [TS]

  impossible to bid this job because [TS]

  you've torn the house apart I can't know [TS]

  how long this is gonna take to fix so [TS]

  I'll just go at it and we'll work it out [TS]

  well that's that's um that's troubling [TS]

  well it is but at the same time I had a [TS]

  fairly good feeling about Psalm you know [TS]

  he's he had a he had a kind of like sure [TS]

  I'm a licensed and bonded carpenter [TS]

  that's not a problem it's right there [TS]

  it's right there on the side but I also [TS]

  you know I I'm trying to make a living [TS]

  well you know I'm taking what they're [TS]

  giving cuz I'm working for a living and [TS]

  I said I said yes sir Johnny paycheck so [TS]

  I said tell you what some you use you do [TS]

  what you see fit I'm gonna I'm gonna pop [TS]

  in I'm not gonna make any suggestions [TS]

  really as a as like a fellow carpenter [TS]

  here I'm gonna act as the homeowner and [TS]

  just nod well you tell me what you think [TS]

  and then I'll set you loose and we'll [TS]

  figure out how much it cost later did [TS]

  you have a rough like with in like half [TS]

  an order of magnitude you have an idea [TS]

  about what this might cost in terms of [TS]

  paying Psalm Gemini had about you wanted [TS]

  what you wanted to cost you have an idea [TS]

  about no way [TS]

  do I want to be more than this number [TS]

  I'm just asking if you have a range in [TS]

  your head I have a range in my head I [TS]

  have the range of what it would cost for [TS]

  me to do it in terms of blood and [TS]

  treasure right I do this all the time [TS]

  with stuff rifle I feel like this makes [TS]

  me alerted man it's because sometimes I [TS]

  will say whether it's the money I would [TS]

  like to receive for something or the [TS]

  money I'm willing to pay for something [TS]

  I'll frequently do something as [TS]

  ridiculous as a little excel in my head [TS]

  we're all say there's no conceivable way [TS]

  this could be done properly for less [TS]

  than five hundred dollars but it would [TS]

  be very surprising to me if this cost [TS]

  more than two thousand seven hundred [TS]

  dollars for what happened or maybe [TS]

  higher maybe higher but you have like [TS]

  within you know an order or two of [TS]

  magnitude you know so if somebody were [TS]

  to say to you yeah sure I'll do it for [TS]

  sixty thousand say I'm gonna get another [TS]

  bid right well on the contractor who's [TS]

  working on the house across the street [TS]

  came over and looked at my project at [TS]

  one point along the way and he said huh [TS]

  this is one of those things that could [TS]

  cost $300 or $30,000 and I was like yeah [TS]

  now that's about the range and he was [TS]

  like because now you've got the porch [TS]

  torn apart boy we should just jack up [TS]

  the whole house engine out you might as [TS]

  well I took care of other things right [TS]

  and I said you know what you think just [TS]

  like me and he said I remember the first [TS]

  time I dug out the basement of a house [TS]

  and I said tell me more he said well I [TS]

  was 24 and I went fuck right of course [TS]

  and he said it was the dumbest thing I [TS]

  ever did and I wrote it to this day but [TS]

  on the other hand my family and I sit in [TS]

  our basement our cool basement all the [TS]

  time and watch television nice and boy [TS]

  you're really not making this easy but [TS]

  in any case I realize that let's be [TS]

  honest what you're describing there is [TS]

  the fuel that's the fuel that drives the [TS]

  rumination is that like well as long as [TS]

  I'm doing this I wonder it's not even as [TS]

  long in my opinion it's not even as [TS]

  simple as as long as I'm doing this [TS]

  clear thing which is tearing my portion [TS]

  down to a certain degree I might as well [TS]

  do that specific thing it's more like [TS]

  there's a world of possibilities now [TS]

  what what are the worlds that you might [TS]

  have opened up that would have never [TS]

  been available to you well you had an [TS]

  intact [TS]

  well that's exactly right like you know [TS]

  what this house doesn't have a laundry [TS]

  chute [TS]

  oh shoot if you're not gonna moan coal [TS]

  you could at least start with a laundry [TS]

  chute [TS]

  see why the heck wouldn't you I went I [TS]

  went and toured a house on one of those [TS]

  real estate tours where you where you go [TS]

  with an agent you look at a house and it [TS]

  had this laundry chute in the floor it [TS]

  was a it was a house that it was built [TS]

  in the early 50s in it architectural [TS]

  style that I'm learning to appreciate [TS]

  but at some point somebody realized the [TS]

  master bedroom was over the laundry room [TS]

  I don't know whether that was the day [TS]

  they built the house or some subsequent [TS]

  time but they were like what this house [TS]

  needs is a laundry chute so they just [TS]

  cut a square hole in the floor of the [TS]

  closet that looked down into the [TS]

  basement and so I was looking around the [TS]

  house and I looked down this hole and I [TS]

  was like oh awesome a hole in the closet [TS]

  floor that custard that goes downstairs [TS]

  it's meant as a laundry chute but if you [TS]

  widened it a little bit I bet it could [TS]

  be a monk [TS]

  if you want to get out of a place bad [TS]

  enough a lot of things can be a monk [TS]

  hole oh yes well and this could be like [TS]

  a pretty nice monk hole right just you [TS]

  know you're like hang on just a second I [TS]

  need to go in the closet and then [TS]

  where's your closet where'd you go well [TS]

  especially it's like burglars pop in and [TS]

  they're like we're taking over and I [TS]

  would just be like all right listen [TS]

  while you guys ransacked the house my [TS]

  daughter and I are gonna hide trembling [TS]

  in the closet I want to get out of your [TS]

  way yeah and then right here buddy [TS]

  so I don't want to do that in this house [TS]

  I realized so ssam came by he said just [TS]

  you know turn me loose here I'm not [TS]

  gonna rip you off and I said you know [TS]

  what I like a guy who tells me he's not [TS]

  gonna rip me off because that's a [TS]

  guarantee that he's not gonna rip me off [TS]

  word is bond word is bond so sob gets to [TS]

  work now some is telling me a thing I [TS]

  already know which is look you can pay [TS]

  $300 for this or $30,000 if you did it [TS]

  John if you would do $80,000 worth of [TS]

  work cuz you're out here already with a [TS]

  nail file [TS]

  like trimming little tiny microscopic [TS]

  edges on things that no one else can see [TS]

  I'm not going to do that says song I'm [TS]

  going to let's be honest hack this back [TS]

  together and I was like you know I'm at [TS]

  the stage having studied this now for [TS]

  weeks yeah that's exactly what I'm [TS]

  looking for you hacked this back [TS]

  together and then I'll come out and sit [TS]

  with a nail file and like trim it up [TS]

  handshake so this morning I wake up I [TS]

  realize you know I'm doing I'm doing my [TS]

  podcast with Merlin it's at our new [TS]

  earlier time but I wake up to the sound [TS]

  of a circular saw or chop saw going in [TS]

  the yard but also to the sound of some [TS]

  hammering on the other side of the house [TS]

  and I think now wait a minute Psalm [TS]

  works alone but also you can tell by the [TS]

  sound of the way the chop saw is being [TS]

  used the person using it does not know [TS]

  how to use a chop saw Oh No [TS]

  and I'm thinking first of all some [TS]

  serious concerns about that other side [TS]

  of the house thing because is that like [TS]

  a supporting beam type situation no idea [TS]

  but I mean it's a chop saw it's not like [TS]

  there it's not they don't ever they [TS]

  don't have a like a the handsaw a [TS]

  circular like a like a like a circular [TS]

  saw that they're just out there chopping [TS]

  the house they're they it's the sound of [TS]

  a saw that is on a table mm-hmm that's [TS]

  being used to chop pieces of wood but [TS]

  the person using it cannot doesn't know [TS]

  how and you can tell because the chop [TS]

  saw it sounds like this that's how it [TS]

  should sound and with these kinds of [TS]

  things it's a little like being a [TS]

  surgeon or you don't like want like [TS]

  hesitation wounds when they're going you [TS]

  know right you wants decisive I know [TS]

  exactly what I'm doing some high level [TS]

  Bob Vila shit where you know like I just [TS]

  took off an eighth of an inch with the [TS]

  chop saw Persis otherwise you're gonna [TS]

  get splintering it all stall shit to [TS]

  shop so and and so I can hear this [TS]

  stop being used and it's going like this [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  is that sound I know somnus that can be [TS]

  song know so I pop out of the bed and I [TS]

  stumbled down the stairs I stumble into [TS]

  the kitchen mm-hmm yawn you stretch I do [TS]

  yeah the Nathan porch the hallowed [TS]

  ground of where the porch used to be [TS]

  how's it going didn't she take your [TS]

  daughter to school today and I'm like [TS]

  Sam already knows my schedule huh I said [TS]

  in fact no her mother took her to school [TS]

  what's going on and he said oh just [TS]

  working just just luckily buck chucking [TS]

  along and I said I was listening to the [TS]

  sound of a chop saw and it sounded like [TS]

  somebody and he said he stopped me right [TS]

  there and he kind of leaned in and he [TS]

  said I think I think that's the Thai [TS]

  people that live behind you and he gave [TS]

  me a look that only a Cambodian [TS]

  carpenter could give but suggested that [TS]

  Thai people don't know how to use a chop [TS]

  saw oh he's throwing Cambodian shade he [TS]

  is and I was like you know America is [TS]

  going strong thing that built this [TS]

  country slightly different places from [TS]

  just slightly south and he said you said [TS]

  yeah the Thai neighbors over there and [TS]

  these are new neighbors by the way they [TS]

  the the Thai family just moved in behind [TS]

  us behind me rather meonsam porch mate [TS]

  they like to have evening parties where [TS]

  they sit around laughing on the back [TS]

  porch which is not a thing the former [TS]

  neighbors did so now there's a new sonic [TS]

  signature in the evenings of [TS]

  people having a lively porch party [TS]

  behind me where formerly there was just [TS]

  silence that was just not I love silence [TS]

  so that has complicated things for sure [TS]

  because you know I pop around your sites [TS]

  sometimes I'm gonna sleep in this [TS]

  bedroom sometimes I move to that bedroom [TS]

  it's you know there's a lot going on [TS]

  anyway so the chop saw is going in the [TS]

  back and I'm like I can't record the [TS]

  podcast where I normally do because not [TS]

  only what is it irritating just from [TS]

  being a loud saw but it's also really [TS]

  irritating because it sounds like [TS]

  someone is is using a saw improperly [TS]

  oh that's very distracting on a lot of [TS]

  levels is so I say to Psalm listen I'm [TS]

  doing a program upstairs a radio program [TS]

  and he looks at me like this is this is [TS]

  not the first crazy thing I've said to [TS]

  him but it's in the family of crazy [TS]

  things that I've said to him in our [TS]

  short acquaintance he's like right a [TS]

  radio program and I said basically a [TS]

  radio program I'm doing upstairs so the [TS]

  chop saw is very irritating so I'm gonna [TS]

  kind of move to the front of the house [TS]

  but that's where you're working so [TS]

  anyway just that's just sort of a heads [TS]

  up what I'm doing and he said well [TS]

  before you go in I was thinking what [TS]

  this house needs is to be painted and [TS]

  I'm willing right now he goes into this [TS]

  like I'm on right now to make you a [TS]

  one-time deal on the whole project oh [TS]

  boy because I'm about finishing up with [TS]

  the porch today well and now and I'm [TS]

  like wow but I'm standing on the porch I [TS]

  can't see what he's done to the front of [TS]

  the porch and I'm frankly I don't want [TS]

  to know he's standing in your underpants [TS]

  at this point I have put on pants out of [TS]

  respect because I don't know what the [TS]

  cultural yeah the more conversation of [TS]

  the give like carpenter mores yeah there [TS]

  are some people you could stand out on [TS]

  the porch and your underwear it wouldn't [TS]

  be a problem I know I realized that some [TS]

  is a Cambodian fella but you know you [TS]

  never say anything about the Thai royal [TS]

  family you know that right I do know [TS]

  that that's that's that's everybody [TS]

  eventually learns that in you some [TS]

  people learn the hard way there could be [TS]

  a thing with Cambodian carpenters and [TS]

  Underpants that you just not out of [TS]

  cultural insensitivity but culturally uh [TS]

  but farming say ignorance you just don't [TS]

  know so no I think it's I think [TS]

  travelers [TS]

  a good choice but she didn't go and [TS]

  cross the moat to go get a get a reckon [TS]

  on how things were looking no he was in [TS]

  the moat I didn't go into the moat with [TS]

  him because I had a radio program to do [TS]

  okay upstairs you know I learned that I [TS]

  learned that don't talk about the Thai [TS]

  family before before I did it so I [TS]

  didn't make that problem but I did one [TS]

  time sitting at a dinner table in Fez [TS]

  make a comment about the King of Morocco [TS]

  where which which resulted in me being [TS]

  kicked under the table by three [TS]

  different people oh my gosh and the [TS]

  implication was not see the Tyrell [TS]

  family don't you don't say anything [TS]

  about because they are beloved the [TS]

  Tyrells oh the Thai royal family the [TS]

  Thai Royals not the type Alan the [TS]

  Tyrells know their people have [TS]

  complicated feelings about the Tyrells [TS]

  yeah but the Thai Royals nice our [TS]

  beloved and so you don't like I don't be [TS]

  culturally insensitive but when you put [TS]

  a giant giant giant portrait of somebody [TS]

  in a extravagant outfit and it's a very [TS]

  very very large outsized portrait as is [TS]

  so often the case that many of the [TS]

  Tyrell restaurants it's it's I'm not [TS]

  saying you're asking for it but all I [TS]

  know is I said to my pal that I went to [TS]

  school with who happened to be the [TS]

  nephew of the owner of the Thai [TS]

  restaurant we went to I was like hey [TS]

  what's the deal with no no don't don't [TS]

  get my uncle mad like you want to get my [TS]

  uncle mad no it's insane nothing about [TS]

  the Tyrells no and the thing is if you [TS]

  want to if you want to call the Tyrells [TS]

  late at night and take an elevator up to [TS]

  play a game of chess that's also [TS]

  manageable okay but in this situation Oh [TS]

  in the Moroccan situation it was not [TS]

  that people were like oh our King is so [TS]

  beloved don't say anything [TS]

  it was kicks under the table indicating [TS]

  we don't talk that way in public because [TS]

  it's dangerous [TS]

  and then everyone sort of smiled and [TS]

  we're like the king is amazed [TS]

  it was like oh and it was I did not [TS]

  until that moment realized that there [TS]

  was a element of Moroccan civic life [TS]

  that was inhibited somewhat by suspicion [TS]

  that there may be but you know okay so [TS]

  for example my daughter is not a fan of [TS]

  the current president and sometimes she [TS]

  will say things that are untoward and we [TS]

  kind of have a high-five about it but [TS]

  there are certain kinds of things in [TS]

  America you know to never say about the [TS]

  commander-in-chief sure like one time I [TS]

  was in line with the guys from military [TS]

  school we were in line to see Gerald [TS]

  Ford and I were checking us in and I'm [TS]

  one of the guys made a joke by having a [TS]

  bomb and not they did not think that was [TS]

  funny oh maybe that's our Tyrells it's [TS]

  like you don't make that kind of remark [TS]

  just because like oh no that's you know [TS]

  for the for what you get back on that [TS]

  kind of remark the risks are high yes [TS]

  yeah that's right you're not gonna want [TS]

  me true especially Gerald Ford right now [TS]

  yeah probably this is 1979 there was [TS]

  discussion that there's guys running up [TS]

  and down the aisle saying like nominated [TS]

  Ford right will he make a run against [TS]

  Ronald Reagan and I it was it was not a [TS]

  very interesting event it was Gerald [TS]

  Ford but you have to imagine as the guy [TS]

  who pardoned Nixon you know his his [TS]

  approval ratings went through the floor [TS]

  when he did that yeah they did they did [TS]

  that costume that cost him a second term [TS]

  or something might say a first term [TS]

  anyways yeah so I moved by my portable [TS]

  podcast studio to the front of the house [TS]

  to escape the chop saw okay but then as [TS]

  I'm setting up I'm getting ready to go [TS]

  I'm talking to you on the text I'm like [TS]

  here we go but it's complicated out here [TS]

  there's a very if I may you say there is [TS]

  a very complicated sonic posture here at [TS]

  the moment mm-hmm I'm hoping it will [TS]

  resolve favorably that's right [TS]

  immediately after typing that I hear the [TS]

  portable transistor radio now I'm [TS]

  talking about a transistor radio the [TS]

  size of a pack of cigarettes kind of [TS]

  like you might get you [TS]

  in Phnom Penh in 1971 okay [TS]

  battery-powered two knobs right the FM [TS]

  tune tune in volume 2 volume right I [TS]

  think even he wears a little hearing aid [TS]

  earpieces right well you can or you can [TS]

  just have it play out of its 5 cent [TS]

  speaker you just explode it's like 6 [TS]

  inch speaker whatever so that psalm [TS]

  carries that on his belt okay okay [TS]

  and it is playing an inscrutable mixture [TS]

  of and I shouldn't have used the word [TS]

  inscrutable it is playing no it is [TS]

  playing a difficult to parse a good at [TS]

  nasse of some kind of music but also [TS]

  talking but it's very hard to make it [TS]

  out because it's coming out of a speaker [TS]

  but but it always it's all it's like his [TS]

  theme music that plays whenever he came [TS]

  to me and he is getting something out of [TS]

  it he's carrying it around he's learned [TS]

  anything from movies like Full Metal [TS]

  Jacket you know that the music that you [TS]

  have fine something can be very taking [TS]

  Apocalypse Now that becomes very [TS]

  memorable [TS]

  it may mean fortunate you know that's [TS]

  right Forrest Gump am I thinking of [TS]

  Forrest Gump that was very popular movie [TS]

  yeah for fortune Sons in a lot of movies [TS]

  it's cowboy boots Creek Bop is in all [TS]

  the commercials now there's at least two [TS]

  commercials over watching a lot of CNN [TS]

  because I'm always in the path of the [TS]

  hurricane and the yes Anthony Bourdain [TS]

  has a show he can't believe it's already [TS]

  the tenth season of this show [TS]

  alright he's pretty Punk yeah and then [TS]

  there's another one it might might be [TS]

  for boner medicine I'm not sure but [TS]

  blitzkrieg bop like walking on sunshine [TS]

  a lot appears in a lot of medicine ads [TS]

  and various things did you know that [TS]

  walking on sunshine is the song that [TS]

  kept till Tuesday's voices carry out of [TS]

  the top spot on the charts until you say [TS]

  and as a consequence a me man hates when [TS]

  you reference [TS]

  the song walking on sunshine that's so [TS]

  interesting I love any man but I really [TS]

  also hate when people mention that song [TS]

  what's hilarious to me is that because [TS]

  as you know I love to find a chink in [TS]

  someone's armor well it's well it either [TS]

  yes but no I know that's the first thing [TS]

  you do you size somebody up you look [TS]

  them up and down you go what's this [TS]

  person super insecure about yeah right I [TS]

  mean it's something you have control [TS]

  over I think it's on you just superpower [TS]

  it's what you have in power right [TS]

  Cyclops to turn off his eyes you know [TS]

  it's like sang sang to the girl with the [TS]

  white stripe and her hair oh don't touch [TS]

  anybody with your hands right stripey [TS]

  all right it's like stress yeah stripy [TS]

  yeah so conscious about that I think any [TS]

  time it comes up in conversation I'm [TS]

  always like Oh Amy you know diecut are [TS]

  you gonna play walking on sunshine [TS]

  so I'm sitting in the other room getting [TS]

  ready to broadcast and I hear Psalms [TS]

  radio but it turns out Psalm is on the [TS]

  roof wait a minute [TS]

  some is now standing outside my bedroom [TS]

  window and he is talking to himself [TS]

  which I also knew he did know but I can [TS]

  never get close enough to him to know [TS]

  what he's talking about because he stops [TS]

  talking to himself whenever he sees me [TS]

  or for people so talk to themselves do [TS]

  not like it when you notice they talk to [TS]

  themselves and they really hate it when [TS]

  you ask them what they were saying this [TS]

  experience I'm just telling you if [TS]

  you're around somebody talks to [TS]

  themselves and you ask him about it it's [TS]

  it's like it's like knocking on the door [TS]

  while somebody's pooping like that well [TS]

  do you know what you're not allowed to [TS]

  even act like this is happening listen [TS]

  this is like getting kicked when you [TS]

  talk about the king of Morocco's it's [TS]

  not a thing I'm gonna do right I'm not [TS]

  gonna walk up on somebody and be like [TS]

  key turn your transistor radio down and [TS]

  tell me what the hell you were talking [TS]

  to yourself about right what why all my [TS]

  roofs um no no I don't want to know that [TS]

  you don't [TS]

  now I so Psalm is right on the other [TS]

  side of my window and the curtains are [TS]

  drawn so he doesn't know that I'm in [TS]

  there I just told him I was doing [TS]

  Oh show he thinks that he thinks I'm in [TS]

  some some radio studio somewhere okay [TS]

  and I'm listening to him talk to himself [TS]

  and he's talking to himself quite [TS]

  audibly and as though talking to another [TS]

  person and he's saying oh no this [TS]

  doesn't look too bad well wait a minute [TS]

  English yeah he talked himself in [TS]

  English he talks to himself in English [TS]

  some is Cambodian but he has lived in [TS]

  America for a long time he is no he's [TS]

  actual like first gen immigrant he said [TS]

  to me one time so Sam's been around here [TS]

  for a little bit I should have indicated [TS]

  that Psalms been we've been interacting [TS]

  quite a bit and it's because and one of [TS]

  the other things he does is he says see [TS]

  you tomorrow and then at 9:00 in the [TS]

  morning he texts me and says I'm not [TS]

  coming today okay and weird but he and I [TS]

  are very much alike in that and I just I [TS]

  respect that enormously yeah all right [TS]

  but I mean you know be careful if you [TS]

  marry or hire someone who's too much [TS]

  like yourself you know what I'm saying [TS]

  Oh to this point the porch he does end [TS]

  up coming okay and I'm like okay you're [TS]

  here but well so we were out in the barn [TS]

  one day and Sam said are those Vespas [TS]

  but he pronounced the v like a W he said [TS]

  are those West's and I said they are and [TS]

  he said Wow when I was a kid you had to [TS]

  be a rich rich guy to own one of those [TS]

  and you have two of them and I said yeah [TS]

  I mean they but neither one of them is [TS]

  really in tip-top shape right now [TS]

  and he said still you know maybe the [TS]

  deal he had a real he had a real I'm [TS]

  saying he does the porch she does the [TS]

  pain he fixes the roof and maybe fixes [TS]

  your West bus [TS]

  oh I don't want them fixed by ssam [TS]

  because I met a guy not very long ago so [TS]

  my daughter had a play date with a [TS]

  little girl and it was a situation that [TS]

  was set up by a mom let's be honest a [TS]

  busybody mom hmm at the elementary [TS]

  school who said you know what we need we [TS]

  need first graders to mentor [TS]

  kindergarteners mm-hmm we do little of [TS]

  that and I heard this and it wasn't [TS]

  something that had happened when [TS]

  my daughter was a kindergartner and I [TS]

  said you know what we do need that why [TS]

  didn't we have that one you know what [TS]

  why didn't we have that before it was [TS]

  like we always had this she's like [TS]

  that's what I'm saying so I said for [TS]

  everybody that's right good for the [TS]

  first grader is good for the parents [TS]

  it's good for the school so I said as a [TS]

  father I volunteered my daughter on on [TS]

  her behalf I said she would love to set [TS]

  up a playdate with a kindergartner and [TS]

  because I knew that she would and so we [TS]

  set up a playdate with this young lady [TS]

  who was very self possessed young woman [TS]

  who's about to begin [TS]

  kindergarten and we went over to her [TS]

  house and we played together with her [TS]

  and watching these two little girls [TS]

  interact because it turns out there are [TS]

  only six months apart and at one point [TS]

  Harper came over I'm sorry the little [TS]

  girl came over to her mother and said [TS]

  and her mom said cuz the mom and I are [TS]

  chatting the mom said how's it going and [TS]

  she said I think I'm I think I'm done [TS]

  now I mean I've I've met this girl and [TS]

  it's I feel like I'd feel like we've [TS]

  completed this mission because she was [TS]

  her mother you know for warned me that [TS]

  she was shy in particular and her mom [TS]

  said well honey this isn't we're not [TS]

  ending this now you're gonna have to go [TS]

  back in and play with John's little girl [TS]

  some more and Harper was like okay and [TS]

  turned around and kind of went and she [TS]

  she came and did this because my little [TS]

  girl was up in her room still playing [TS]

  happily contentedly with her toys yeah [TS]

  we're not done with the mentoring yet [TS]

  yeah and then then later on my little [TS]

  girl came down and said yeah okay I [TS]

  think I'm ready to go and I said oh what [TS]

  was your favorite part about being here [TS]

  on this playdate and she said hmm her [TS]

  toys and I was like I think we need to [TS]

  go back and and do some more playing and [TS]

  shit my and my low girl went okay and [TS]

  then whatever they crossed whatever [TS]

  little girl Rubicon they needed to cross [TS]

  and they got on the other side and then [TS]

  they were a war with Rome Rome being me [TS]

  yeah and [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  then they were they could have played [TS]

  together for 14 hours from that they [TS]

  were they had become friends you know [TS]

  whatever it happened they become friends [TS]

  and now they were inseparable and [TS]

  mission accomplished and I liked her [TS]

  parents very much but as we're leaving [TS]

  they opened the garage door to put the [TS]

  little battery-powered Merce pink [TS]

  Mercedes Benz that her grandparents had [TS]

  bought for her back in the garage [TS]

  Wow the garage door opens the garage is [TS]

  full of Lambrettas there's pie that's a [TS]

  different kind of WestBow that's a [TS]

  different kind of West but there are [TS]

  five and it's the kind of whisper that [TS]

  if you're a whisper person for many [TS]

  years and you decide that this is the [TS]

  life you're gonna lead you graduate to [TS]

  Lambretta so they're one of those we [TS]

  always get the nicest one families well [TS]

  I got the nicest pink Mercedes and they [TS]

  got the nicest West bus which are [TS]

  actually went brightest although they [TS]

  say and they were both quick to say they [TS]

  were both quick to apologize for the [TS]

  pink Mercedes Benz by saying like the [TS]

  grandparents bought this it isn't it's a [TS]

  it's a gaudy thing it's not a thing we [TS]

  ever would have bought and I said don't [TS]

  worry don't worry no judgment here and [TS]

  then garage full Lambrettas and I was [TS]

  like Lambrettas the thing about [TS]

  Lambrettas is if you see one you know [TS]

  everything about this person now you [TS]

  know everything [TS]

  okay you know you know they like to [TS]

  tinker you know they're meticulous these [TS]

  are materially nicely maintained [TS]

  Lambrettas you know they're meticulous [TS]

  you know that they are all kinds of [TS]

  things right I mean they're mod clearly [TS]

  deeply mod but also Jessica's are you [TS]

  more of a rocker I am right but I'm but [TS]

  my vest but I'm one of these I'm a mud [TS]

  duck all right I get in that given that [TS]

  mud I'm a dirty rider right my bike is [TS]

  intentionally rusty and fucked up and [TS]

  you know dirty it's got a sticker on it [TS]

  that says aviation gasoline only you [TS]

  know I'm that guy I'm the one that's [TS]

  like you know I don't know it's not like [TS]

  I have a machine gun mounted to it but [TS]

  it's the gear head yeah I'm not the one [TS]

  that's a like that's out there restoring [TS]

  some rare and so the the dad comes down [TS]

  and he's a nice when we start talking [TS]

  Lambrettas and he's like well you know [TS]

  this one they didn't even have never [TS]

  imported there's only 85 of them in the [TS]

  world it's like some super sport mom [TS]

  that's not our that's not our think it's [TS]

  not our big thing but this is something [TS]

  else and I was like these are gorgeous [TS]

  he said yeah well here's the problem [TS]

  like my grandmother my father-in-law or [TS]

  my uncle in law or somebody like this [TS]

  has this Porsche that he wants to give [TS]

  us and I was like tell me more do you [TS]

  really have my attention now sir mm-hmm [TS]

  and he said it's this 1966 911s and I'm [TS]

  like you know and I start to I'm [TS]

  sweating now you know breaking ends and [TS]

  he's like and the thing is I want to [TS]

  keep it here because he doesn't want it [TS]

  anymore you know and I'm just thinking [TS]

  like this cars were so much money at [TS]

  this car so credible I'm sure it's [TS]

  meticulously maintained and he says I [TS]

  want to keep it in the garage but I [TS]

  don't know what to do with these [TS]

  Lambrettas I don't want to just Park him [TS]

  yeah I don't want to get a storage space [TS]

  and I said you know I have a barn mm-hmm [TS]

  you could in return for fixing up my [TS]

  Vespas to this Lambretta standard you [TS]

  could keep all five of these Lambrettas [TS]

  in my barn and they would have I would [TS]

  have such a cool barn at that point it [TS]

  would be like a freakin Lambretta [TS]

  showroom I see you're making room for [TS]

  the 1966 911 asked by moving the [TS]

  Lambrettas to John's barn where they [TS]

  close with the West bus that's right [TS]

  it's a kind of motor play date a motor [TS]

  play date precisely he can come and [TS]

  tinker not only on his Lambrettas but [TS]

  now tinker on because there are a lot of [TS]

  people that like a project right so I [TS]

  have a little friend who likes to come [TS]

  visit me and she comes into my house and [TS]

  immediately begins knowing all of my [TS]

  belongings [TS]

  which is which is wonderful because she [TS]

  does not want me around for it so she [TS]

  basically is like shoo go run and play [TS]

  John I'm busy now she's like that like [TS]

  that shrimp in Finding Nemo right she's [TS]

  got a clean she can't stop cleaning well [TS]

  but it's it's cleaning isn't her thing [TS]

  it's organized right no when only [TS]

  knowing Ivan I have another friend [TS]

  you've met her [TS]

  the lady motorcycle gang mistress [TS]

  yes who said she wants to come spend a [TS]

  week ere at my house just getting rid of [TS]

  stuff she said I just want to come here [TS]

  and just help you by getting rid of [TS]

  stuff it's nice that for a man who has [TS]

  so many projects that he could do so [TS]

  many other people particularly women [TS]

  also be a project right well women who [TS]

  make me a project or my projects their [TS]

  projects my little friend who Knowles [TS]

  has know she goes around and I find [TS]

  little places where she's an old things [TS]

  that I didn't mean I wasn't even aware [TS]

  of before she know like ants do or [TS]

  something well she went across the top [TS]

  of the piano and she put all of the [TS]

  people's business cards that I've [TS]

  received in the last two years like all [TS]

  in little piles but hilariously weeks [TS]

  after she left I realized that she had [TS]

  moved a very very heavy vintage desk [TS]

  from one part of the house to another [TS]

  and taken a lightweight desk from that [TS]

  part of the house and put it where the [TS]

  heavy desk was and I swear to you I [TS]

  don't think I could have moved that's a [TS]

  high level knowing yeah she's a hundred [TS]

  pound person and she's moving big big [TS]

  pieces of furniture around and and doing [TS]

  it in a context where there are big big [TS]

  other things in the way huge other [TS]

  things that she would have to navigate [TS]

  carrying this desk that I'm not sure I [TS]

  could have carried it was a magic trick [TS]

  because I didn't even notice it she [TS]

  didn't point it out she was gone for [TS]

  days and days and I was walking through [TS]

  the room and I was like wait a minute [TS]

  how did that table get in here there [TS]

  used to be a really heavy desk there [TS]

  and then I like walked really slowly [TS]

  through the house kind of peering around [TS]

  the corner like is that desk over it is [TS]

  how did that go how could she I have no [TS]

  idea how could she have known to do it [TS]

  first of all because it was the right [TS]

  move [TS]

  that's what's the amazing thing [TS]

  shit-shit the method the means and the [TS]

  opportunity somehow I was gone I was [TS]

  gone from the house she shooed me out of [TS]

  here because she was at the time like no [TS]

  lling marbles mm-hmm you know matchbooks [TS]

  and when I came back later all this [TS]

  magic could happen I wasn't even aware [TS]

  of it and she of course wouldn't have [TS]

  pointed it out because it's not her [TS]

  style [TS]

  so Psalm is outside the window I'm about [TS]

  I'm waiting for you to call me and [TS]

  Psalms up there going well I think I [TS]

  could probably do that oh look at this [TS]

  how am I gonna get that well you know [TS]

  what I could do I could take that and [TS]

  he's like actually poking on the window [TS]

  with a little with a little screwdriver [TS]

  yeah like three feet from me as I sit [TS]

  with my headphones on prepared to [TS]

  receive your phone call and I'm like the [TS]

  sonic posture here is very complicated [TS]

  right now [TS]

  I don't know how long song I don't know [TS]

  why Psalms on the roof I don't know how [TS]

  long he's going to be on the roof if I [TS]

  move back into the other room [TS]

  I hear the bad saw I don't know what I [TS]

  have a lot of rooms in this house I [TS]

  don't know what room to be in because [TS]

  there is very complicated like Southeast [TS]

  Asian construction techniques being [TS]

  exhibited in every corner right and then [TS]

  I heard some I heard his radio sort of [TS]

  retreat into the distance [TS]

  but I wasn't confident that he wasn't [TS]

  going to start fixing my bedroom window [TS]

  which is not a thing that we had agreed [TS]

  it sounds like that's a lot of scope but [TS]

  he's industrious and he is he's [TS]

  recognizes in my house that there are a [TS]

  lot of things that need to get done and [TS]

  he's like you know after I've hacked [TS]

  this porch back together one and I [TS]

  hacked this window back together he's [TS]

  like he's got a vision [TS]

  I think he does I think his vision is [TS]

  partly to stay employed mm-hmm and he [TS]

  likes it out here I like having him here [TS]

  we'll just have to see we'll have to see [TS]

  next steps because I have to go down [TS]

  into the trench and see exactly where [TS]

  we're at I think he wants to be retained [TS]

  on an ongoing basis well because our [TS]

  current arrangement is this is an [TS]

  impossible project to bid why don't I [TS]

  just start working on and I'll get back [TS]

  to you she might be over $300 at this [TS]

  point so that lost the floor at this [TS]

  point I'm guessing we're over 300 but [TS]

  were under 3,000 oh good good so anyway [TS]

  I moved when you called I was in the [TS]

  process of walking the entire podcast [TS]

  studio through the hall back to the room [TS]

  where the annoying saw was because it [TS]

  sounds like what they did over there [TS]

  what the Thai carpenters were doing is [TS]

  cutting all the wood at once they were [TS]

  making almond Minka interesting for a [TS]

  project or for practice it sounded like [TS]

  that I don't know what they're building [TS]

  mm-hmm but it sounded like they cut 40 [TS]

  pieces of wood or whatever they were [TS]

  cutting I don't know they might have [TS]

  been you know what they might have been [TS]

  cutting up encyclopedias I have no no [TS]

  thing your mind turns over though right [TS]

  I don't know what that could be that's a [TS]

  very strange sound for the saw to make [TS]

  that that many times yeah you know are [TS]

  there a lot of bases and cuts going on [TS]

  what were they doing back there maybe [TS]

  they have a 20-6 set of encyclopedias [TS]

  old encyclopedias including the yearbook [TS]

  they like to laugh we know that and [TS]

  maybe it's just like what are we gonna [TS]

  do with these old med libs or something [TS]

  they love to laugh all this stuff is on [TS]

  the internet now why why do we even have [TS]

  this here let's cut them up with the [TS]

  song right okay but it seems like [TS]

  they've cooled it out and now I'm in the [TS]

  backroom Psalm could be on the roof as [TS]

  far as I know but and they the the tie [TS]

  family could be like now burning the [TS]

  Encyclopedia I mean boy this is a lots [TS]

  of crock do you feel like this is [TS]

  something you need to check in on do you [TS]

  want to do a check in with Psalm and [TS]

  you know pause a minute no I feel like [TS]

  for the length of this podcast I am [TS]

  willing to just let things roll I'm [TS]

  gonna leave them agents fall I'm gonna [TS]

  let those chips fall if I come out in [TS]

  the front and SAAM has built the rebuilt [TS]

  the porch so that it looks like the bow [TS]

  of a ship or if he has rebuilt the porch [TS]

  so that was like pretty sharp look I [TS]

  gotta tell you he's sharp look if he's [TS]

  made it look like the monitor fighting [TS]

  the Merrimack that would be an [TS]

  interesting like any any kind of [TS]

  nautical porch would be a good look if [TS]

  it look like a u-boat that would be nice [TS]

  too Oh wouldn't that be a cool porch [TS]

  with something with some you know [TS]

  there's a couple things kind of mine for [TS]

  some reason I'm thinking of that I don't [TS]

  know it seems like an important metaphor [TS]

  for me you know they're always painting [TS]

  the Golden Gate Bridge they're never not [TS]

  painting the Golden Gate Bridge it takes [TS]

  one but not a person here because it's [TS]

  more than one person but they're never [TS]

  not painting the Golden Gate Bridge [TS]

  there's always paint you paint you paint [TS]

  then you repaint repaint so that's a [TS]

  project that goes on and on you never [TS]

  say oh we're done painting the Golden [TS]

  Gate Bridge because that's just the [TS]

  thing we do all the time [TS]

  and you think about that that's a [TS]

  certain kind of to me very interesting [TS]

  mindset about how one does one's work [TS]

  and I'm wondering if that's the kind of [TS]

  thing that Psalm is bringing to the [TS]

  situation does he have any idea how will [TS]

  he know when he's done with house hmm [TS]

  how will I know because there's uh yeah [TS]

  exactly but if he is it in his bailiwick [TS]

  as you say is it in his wheelhouse is it [TS]

  in his estimation that he could say to [TS]

  you John here's the big picture this is [TS]

  why right now because you seem oddly and [TS]

  curious about Tom's methods and means [TS]

  and I'm wondering if that a certain [TS]

  point you want to sit down maybe with [TS]

  little little memo pad maybe kind of [TS]

  write down some ideas about what the [TS]

  scope of this project is the budget a [TS]

  timeline kinds of things somebody like [TS]

  me thinks about this is more of a human [TS]

  experiment the thing is that if I were [TS]

  in Psalms place and he were in mind and [TS]

  we had established the more we should [TS]

  offer that maybe you should come over to [TS]

  his house well the thing is that I think [TS]

  that he typically has he's able to get [TS]

  up in the morning turn his transistor [TS]

  radio on and go to work in a way that I [TS]

  do not prefer so for now at least I feel [TS]

  like we're in [TS]

  right place in the world but if our [TS]

  places were reversed and he had [TS]

  exhibited the trust in me that I have [TS]

  exhibited in him I think I would [TS]

  absolutely be on his roof in a heartbeat [TS]

  okay but because to see to rule it out [TS]

  though you're not I mean now if it's me [TS]

  cuz I'm wired real different from you I [TS]

  would be thinking oh my god is this [TS]

  gonna turn into a sudden invoice for [TS]

  $27,000 oh and I go and then you go whoa [TS]

  ssam this is a little more than I was [TS]

  expecting is like what do you think I'm [TS]

  here with my transistor radio most days [TS]

  yeah what do you think this kind of [TS]

  thing costs if you if you want your [TS]

  house to look like part of a boat that [TS]

  doesn't come cheap right you never [TS]

  talked about a budget I assumed that [TS]

  this guy was as they say the limit I [TS]

  have a good idea well first of all as [TS]

  the doctor who ended up sending me to [TS]

  the psychiatrist once said that is an [TS]

  excellent dependent clause you are [TS]

  pretty suspicious of doctors but you [TS]

  know what I didn't come to you oh sure [TS]

  right she said that's exactly the kind [TS]

  of thing a doctor would say yeah she [TS]

  said you're sitting in here bagging on [TS]

  doctors now but it's not like I came to [TS]

  you for help and I was like to shade [TS]

  doctor lady and she said so I'm gonna [TS]

  send you to this psychiatrist you can go [TS]

  or not and I was like you know what [TS]

  thank goodness for New York doctors [TS]

  because the Seattle doctor would have [TS]

  just wrung their hands but you just said [TS]

  you just did you talk to me like a New [TS]

  York City policeman you were like you [TS]

  can go do it or not I don't give a fuck [TS]

  yeah I get the way mm-hmm so in this [TS]

  situation [TS]

  some could reasonably say I'm not the [TS]

  one who tore apart your port and I could [TS]

  say true don't play the porch card so I [TS]

  don't have to so he doesn't have to say [TS]

  that because I already know that he's [TS]

  gonna say it right so he's on the roof [TS]

  and if I go out and say some this is a [TS]

  little bit of mission creep why are you [TS]

  on the roof he's gonna say look I didn't [TS]

  tear apart your porch no you can I'm not [TS]

  I don't have any track record of [TS]

  your house tearing shit apart do I I'm [TS]

  the guy putting shit back together [TS]

  aren't I and I'd be like yes [TS]

  so he's like so if I'm on your roof [TS]

  doing something it's probably putting [TS]

  stuff back together not tearing it apart [TS]

  oh it's got his version of whatever's in [TS]

  the shows in the show right [TS]

  except it's your house and the thing is [TS]

  I know what needs fixed up there yeah if [TS]

  he's poking on the window and saying oh [TS]

  I think I could get this done I know [TS]

  what that is I know what he's seen cuz [TS]

  I've been on the right looking at it [TS]

  I've been sitting on a broken park bench [TS]

  on my own roof looking at it going oh [TS]

  Jesus come to your house and slot the [TS]

  rollin 808 out of your mouth that's [TS]

  right I know because one of the things [TS]

  that I liked about this house was that [TS]

  it had not had its old windows replaced [TS]

  by new vinyl windows but that means that [TS]

  what's nice about it is that the glass [TS]

  is all wavy oh yeah [TS]

  because as you know glass is a liquid [TS]

  uh-huh and it's still in motion and it [TS]

  gets all wavy over the course that's [TS]

  alive in a lot of ways it's alive that's [TS]

  its life it's alive with the sound of [TS]

  music but these windows are not [TS]

  manufactured they're made they got a [TS]

  bunch of glass out here they had a bunch [TS]

  old-fashioned carpenters who knew how to [TS]

  make things and they were just making [TS]

  windows mm-hmm [TS]

  they're one of the guys on the [TS]

  construction site there was the guy who [TS]

  was driving the team of horses there was [TS]

  the guy who you know who had goggles on [TS]

  that was running the steam-powered [TS]

  spaceship mm-hmm and there was a glacier [TS]

  is that where you have a glacier that's [TS]

  what you have a glacier do yeah he was [TS]

  out here making Windows and it isn't one [TS]

  of those Henry Ford type situations [TS]

  where you can just grab any any window [TS]

  and stick it in any hole this is a [TS]

  bespoke glacier window for a given hole [TS]

  right and Psalm was walking around the [TS]

  house and he was like oh right it's all [TS]

  these one every single window is [TS]

  different it's all custom windows built [TS]

  by built by a glazier to fit the hole [TS]

  that was cut by the carpenter who was [TS]

  eyeballing it too because this was a [TS]

  farmhouse and they were like nine guys [TS]

  dressed like locomotive engineers but [TS]

  the glazier in the window Lee a have to [TS]

  work together they have to they have to [TS]

  have they have to agree on the whole at [TS]

  some point right they have to order they [TS]

  have to shake hands and say here's how [TS]

  big this whole is probably gonna be so [TS]

  Psalms out there what he's looking at is [TS]

  one of these windows and so he is he's [TS]

  on the windows at this point he I think [TS]

  that's what he was doing he was looking [TS]

  at windows and he was like I'm gonna [TS]

  have to rebuild this windows we're gonna [TS]

  do this right no an upstairs window come [TS]

  on Ruth okay and I'm listening [TS]

  you know I'm listening to him through [TS]

  that window through that self same [TS]

  window oh I see talk to himself as he's [TS]

  like I think I could do that oh look at [TS]

  this yeah I got probably well this would [TS]

  only be and I'm like yes yes yes okay [TS]

  okay okay good don't you know for a [TS]

  moment doubt that this all needs to be [TS]

  related he's seeing the house as I am [TS]

  yes you're curious about where this is [TS]

  going how how we got from a missing [TS]

  porch and a trench to talking about [TS]

  Windows yeah and I think in painting I [TS]

  feel like once you if you're the surgeon [TS]

  and you open up the body mm-hm and [TS]

  you're in there to address a tumor [TS]

  uh-huh and then you find a house key in [TS]

  there are you gonna leave it in are you [TS]

  gonna take it out you gonna wake the guy [TS]

  up and make him sign something no yeah [TS]

  deal with what you've got so you your [TS]

  your house is the open body and you [TS]

  don't even know if you found a key yet [TS]

  because cuz then what if what if you [TS]

  actually I don't know find a sandwich or [TS]

  something like oh well sudden the keys [TS]

  not as important the sandwich gonna go [TS]

  bad if we don't get it out of here you [TS]

  even know how deep into the project you [TS]

  there's no way to know you there's no [TS]

  way to know even if it's really begun [TS]

  yet you might still be you might still [TS]

  be in the stage where he's just deciding [TS]

  what needs needs needs fix yeah this is [TS]

  it when Hawkeye Pierce opens a guy up on [TS]

  the operating table yeah to fix one [TS]

  thing yes he gets in there and he [TS]

  realizes there's shrapnel throughout the [TS]

  body because they call it meatball [TS]

  surgery he called he calls Houlihan over [TS]

  he's like put a clamp on here he knows [TS]

  he knows she's a great nurse this is the [TS]

  thing about Margaret absolutely the [TS]

  difference with Frank burns and Hot Lips [TS]

  get cut from whole cloth but there's [TS]

  really a very different situation going [TS]

  on there Hot Lips is very very very [TS]

  talented she's an extremely talented [TS]

  surgical nurse Frank burns too [TS]

  a fucking hack yeah right yeah I and I'm [TS]

  always I'm old ferret face the head [TS]

  those two couldn't be more different and [TS]

  how how it is that they that their love [TS]

  of military pomp and circumstance would [TS]

  bring them together any point in a storm [TS]

  there's a police action and you know you [TS]

  think love we find it much like a [TS]

  sandwich or a key or part of a part of a [TS]

  tumor I guess I guess but so the so [TS]

  there's talk of Windows can you give me [TS]

  just without getting too specific apart [TS]

  from giving me this man's name [TS]

  what about how long as far as you can [TS]

  tell as far as you can reckon how long [TS]

  has he been working on something at your [TS]

  house like did you first engage some [TS]

  when did your eye so your buddy tells [TS]

  you about song when did you first start [TS]

  the engagement process with song the [TS]

  thing about some is I have to assume [TS]

  that that name is just like Kim in Korea [TS]

  okay or you know like Pierre in France [TS]

  right pretty much every guy you meet in [TS]

  France is named Pierre and I imagine [TS]

  that's the same in Cambodia with them [TS]

  okay okay [TS]

  cuz it's a name that rolls off the [TS]

  tongue right I'm not even sure he's [TS]

  never actually pronounced his name to me [TS]

  I read it off of his business card and [TS]

  I've been calling him some this whole [TS]

  time it might be pronounced some yeah my [TS]

  landlord called me then that wrong name [TS]

  for like ten years I never corrected him [TS]

  did he did he call him Elron caught no [TS]

  and call me Charles hmm I have no reason [TS]

  to understand why you but he always [TS]

  called me Charles and he was consistent [TS]

  about it which I appreciate it I never [TS]

  corrected him but because I knew he [TS]

  meant me cuz I was always Charles yeah [TS]

  not Charlie Charles no you're Charles [TS]

  you'll be Charles from now on huh you [TS]

  know you do kind of look like a Charles [TS]

  as a Winchester no I would think more [TS]

  like a chart like Charles Nelson Reilly [TS]

  [Laughter] [TS]

  I don't know if you're deliberately [TS]

  avoiding the question okay let's get [TS]

  back to orders of magnitude song has [TS]

  been in some form of engagement with you [TS]

  and your homestead for a day a week a [TS]

  month it feels like forever okay all [TS]

  right so it's like you've always been in [TS]

  the Gold Room right yeah but some has [TS]

  actually been here three days oh my [TS]

  goodness [TS]

  of course well that makes that makes a [TS]

  lot of sense okay Sunday's he's there [TS]

  some days he's not because you know yeah [TS]

  it's been three days over the course of [TS]

  ten days well in that case he's making [TS]

  tremendous project progress he is Keys [TS]

  kicking ass and taking names yeah that's [TS]

  right he must understand the whole scope [TS]

  here's the thing let's get back to your [TS]

  body on the table right yeah laid out [TS]

  like a patient etherized on a table [TS]

  except that's your house right TS [TS]

  Eliot's talking about in this case what [TS]

  are you gonna do you're just gonna sit [TS]

  you show up you say hi I'm Robert [TS]

  surgeon and I make surgeons surgeries [TS]

  right I'm not gonna bother examining you [TS]

  I'm just gonna get my favorite scalpel [TS]

  and get started no they want to get the [TS]

  full examination they run a battery of [TS]

  tests they want to make sure if you got [TS]

  blood and stuff you don't just dive [TS]

  straight even though the surgery's the [TS]

  fun part is Hawkeye will tell you they [TS]

  caught meatball surgery in this case he [TS]

  was to scope out the entire body to know [TS]

  where to begin [TS]

  right well here's your typical value [TS]

  tensor appear you know I'm saying yeah [TS]

  your typical guy shows up he looks at it [TS]

  he goes oh boy oh yeah Charlie fix it [TS]

  here he comes and then he throws out a [TS]

  number mm-hmm now that number is as far [TS]

  as I'm concerned that number is just [TS]

  like a parenting plan between two [TS]

  divorced people if you put together a [TS]

  parenting plan which first kid if you [TS]

  put together a parenting plan which [TS]

  every lawyer and family counselor will [TS]

  insist that you do yeah what that [TS]

  parenting plan is is a road map to [TS]

  failure yeah because it's trying to it's [TS]

  trying to accommodate the worst possible [TS]

  scenario but then once it's on paper and [TS]

  in front of you and you both sign it [TS]

  you're both going to work toward that [TS]

  eventualities cuz it's in the parenting [TS]

  plan right so it's like oh you know [TS]

  before the parenting plan you go oh I'm [TS]

  going to the movies can you watch the [TS]

  baby tonight sure after the parenting [TS]

  plan oh I'm going to the movies can you [TS]

  watch the baby tonight well tonight's [TS]

  not my night right that's what a [TS]

  parenting plan is yeah unless you got [TS]

  real bad problems but a guy a guy shows [TS]

  up here he looks at my house he goes oh [TS]

  well it's gonna cost $6,000 now might [TS]

  cost less mm-hmm well I can't know until [TS]

  I get in there and see [TS]

  that's your typical guy now he is gonna [TS]

  find a way to make that thing cost [TS]

  $6,000 because if you go oh okay [TS]

  I hope it costs less he's gonna know how [TS]

  this guy can afford a $6,000 project so [TS]

  once I get in there you bet I'm gonna [TS]

  find six thousand dollars worth of work [TS]

  right [TS]

  so when Flom says i'm just gonna jump in [TS]

  here I'm gonna see what it is I'm gonna [TS]

  tell you what it is when I find it I was [TS]

  like okay you know what that works for [TS]

  me because you're not throwing out some [TS]

  crazy thing now it turns out it's you've [TS]

  worked here three days you know it's [TS]

  gonna be six hundred dollars instead of [TS]

  six thousand dollars okay and what so [TS]

  you won't know until he's tapped on the [TS]

  windows and talked to himself a little [TS]

  bit that's right right but what Saum [TS]

  didn't know what the Duke boys didn't [TS]

  know was that Roscoe had already blown [TS]

  out the bridge and I had already been [TS]

  under the porch for several weeks yeah [TS]

  and as part of tearing the porch apart [TS]

  what I also did was I cut out all the [TS]

  dry rot and I replaced the dry rot rot [TS]

  with good wood now this is a thing when [TS]

  you look at a torn apart porch which is [TS]

  thinking to yourself as if you're some [TS]

  or anybody is oh boy but there's a lot [TS]

  of dry rot under there oh he has a look [TS]

  under there he goes Oh looks like [TS]

  somebody's been down here with some good [TS]

  gathered so he gets down there he's like [TS]

  oh there's good wood all around here [TS]

  then you telling that you let him [TS]

  discover that that's right because if he [TS]

  comes out of there if he comes out of [TS]

  that hole and he's like oh there's a [TS]

  bunch of dry rot under here I know [TS]

  there's not any dry rot in there i i i [TS]

  remediated all the dry rot by cutting it [TS]

  out and putting in good wood but I've [TS]

  also given you given some a little bit [TS]

  of a puzzle here right not a puzzle you [TS]

  give him a little bit of a maze like [TS]

  he's gonna have to go figure some things [TS]

  out it's not gonna be easy assumptions [TS]

  that John's just a little too over [TS]

  ambitious cuz Oh guess what surprise no [TS]

  dry rot right he's gonna say Oh Johnny [TS]

  fix it here tourist porch apart wall and [TS]

  then he's then he's gonna get underneath [TS]

  it he's gonna go Oh Johnny fix it did [TS]

  some structural work some support put [TS]

  some nut he did some non-obvious good [TS]

  wood [TS]

  yeah he did the hearts that well not the [TS]

  heart stuff but he did the he did the [TS]

  stuff that makes the other stuff [TS]

  possible [TS]

  he can take a sunshine and make it and [TS]

  and turn it into rain mm-hmm taking [TS]

  nothing date and suddenly did did he [TS]

  admire your moat at all did he see that [TS]

  as a promising thing we're like oh you [TS]

  know to put the hardy boys in here like [TS]

  that John knows what he's doing put a [TS]

  buckboard down here and a little hardy [TS]

  boy up the side and now you got to wait [TS]

  up to build your your Hall yeah one of [TS]

  the first things he said was did you dig [TS]

  this look like what do you think [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  [Laughter] [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  yeah the trench used to go all the way [TS]

  around the house and I've been filling [TS]

  it with carpet come back and meet my [TS]

  Thai friends who are running a chop saw [TS]

  so he's really just he's work here [TS]

  here's my thing and I don't get too far [TS]

  ahead of this got obviously we're in [TS]

  very early days of your relationship [TS]

  with some but is there any chance this [TS]

  could turn into something where your [TS]

  house is Brian Wilson and he's dr. [TS]

  Eugene Landy what I want what I want is [TS]

  to live in a house where there's a psalm [TS]

  walking around with the transistor radio [TS]

  on the roof there is a like a small girl [TS]

  that's knowing things on the on the [TS]

  piano there's a motorcycle girl who's [TS]

  throwing things away I would like [TS]

  somebody with a clipboard and their hair [TS]

  bun telling me what I have to do that [TS]

  day this is this is the new the new [TS]

  Roderick group right and I feel like if [TS]

  I could and then I feel like there's a [TS]

  rich guy out in [TS]

  Barn fixing Lambrettas Oh Oh God this is [TS]

  all coming together you're like Leonard [TS]

  Bernstein oh yeah now I'm seeing it [TS]

  you're the conductor right this is the [TS]

  game mm-hmm all I'm trying to do you're [TS]

  the poster composer and the conductor [TS]

  you [TS]

  you [TS]

  need to tell people what kind of what to [TS]

  make the robos out of you just need to [TS]

  make a beautiful beautiful noise yeah [TS]

  I'm get the Thai family working for you [TS]

  at some point working with you at some [TS]

  point not with the not with that song I [TS]

  mean maybe you play something to learn [TS]

  maybe there's a little bit of Lambretta [TS]

  movement going on here you know what I'm [TS]

  gonna say if you need if you need a [TS]

  place to throw those encyclopedias I got [TS]

  a big empty pool here and a girl who [TS]

  will know them right no no come on I'm [TS]

  gonna take the fence down you guys start [TS]

  partying in my backyard [TS]

  that's what I need to learn okay I need [TS]

  to learn how to have fun yes yeah you [TS]

  didn't know what you were there for [TS]

  right oh great my job is just to find [TS]

  what room in the house is quiet enough [TS]

  to do my radio show show this is gonna [TS]

  be fun to watch I can't wait to see how [TS]

  this why don't see how it turns out cuz [TS]

  this could really I think if you accept [TS]

  it this is just a new ongoing process [TS]

  and that the Roderick group is whoever's [TS]

  there right now this is kind of like [TS]

  your factory you like your Andy Warhol [TS]

  factory people are gonna gonna come in [TS]

  and out of the scene maybe The Velvet [TS]

  Underground comes and play some tunes [TS]

  there's somebody with body paint doing a [TS]

  go-go dance and then you got Sam with [TS]

  his radio and he's up here on the roof [TS]

  and he's tapping on your windows you're [TS]

  not sure why cuz it's not time to know [TS]

  yet it's not time to know right well and [TS]

  what's what's very interesting about so [TS]

  I've only named just a few in the cast [TS]

  of colorful characters that come around [TS]

  here Peter actually the Peter that [TS]

  introduced me to saw him Peter is [TS]

  currently doing a little bit of work in [TS]

  my basement the devil you say because [TS]

  Peter came around Peter is a very old [TS]

  friend he was the first friend I made [TS]

  after I got sober when I got sober at [TS]

  the at the shoot for that at the well he [TS]

  doesn't get a chip okay but when I got [TS]

  sober I was newly 26 years old and at [TS]

  that point in time I did not understand [TS]

  how you could be sober because everyone [TS]

  I knew was a drunk and so who do you [TS]

  hang out with right you hang out when [TS]

  you hang out with normals hang out with [TS]

  just people that are like standing [TS]

  around [TS]

  you've got to around all that time well [TS]

  so Peter was this guy that I met because [TS]

  I was sleeping in the I was sleeping in [TS]

  the alcove at the top of the stairs of [TS]

  this house [TS]

  before you got a toothbrush this is via [TS]

  this is a very early days very early I [TS]

  didn't have I couldn't get a room [TS]

  anywhere I didn't have I couldn't afford [TS]

  before you lived in the van it is before [TS]

  I lived in the van it is after I'd been [TS]

  kicked out of everywhere I was trying to [TS]

  get sober so I couldn't sleep on [TS]

  people's couches you know that was I had [TS]

  to have a little bit of dignity and I [TS]

  and I met these people that lived in [TS]

  this house because I knew this girl [TS]

  Julie somehow because Julie knew this [TS]

  guy Brent and Brent was a drunk but [TS]

  Julie wasn't one and somehow Julie [TS]

  invited me over to their house and it [TS]

  was full of people this house was one of [TS]

  those houses where six people lived and [TS]

  none of them were drunks statistically [TS]

  unlikely it was unlikely they were [TS]

  artists and they were cooks there was a [TS]

  drum kit in the basement there somebody [TS]

  had painted a mural of a of a Senate are [TS]

  on the wall in the living room is a [TS]

  senator Oh centaur right beast the thing [TS]

  is this might have been a Senate our [TS]

  rather than a senator because the person [TS]

  that painted it did not was an art [TS]

  student who did not yet understand the [TS]

  musculature of the human body [TS]

  yeah and they gave you that the first [TS]

  day no well they don't because this [TS]

  Senate our or centaur as you say had two [TS]

  biceps and I remember sitting in the [TS]

  living room we going that's terrible I [TS]

  mean the the head of the Centaur looks [TS]

  correct okay but it has two biceps [TS]

  there's no one else see this how can you [TS]

  sit in this living room all day with [TS]

  this painted on your wall this is got [TS]

  one in the chamber that's why they call [TS]

  them guns so anyway so I met Peter this [TS]

  is yeah do something and this ended up [TS]

  being how I met Laurel who became my [TS]

  first sober girlfriend Oh because I [TS]

  realized that these people did not drink [TS]

  but still were kooky weird artists [TS]

  people and in fact they were kookier [TS]

  weirder and more arty than the drunks [TS]

  thought it wasn't a call [TS]

  because usually you see that in a cult [TS]

  if people with that interesting and they [TS]

  don't drink it's usually a cult well it [TS]

  turns out that there's a whole group of [TS]

  people out there in the world that are [TS]

  just interesting and art also drunk and [TS]

  it's not that they weren't fucked up [TS]

  because they were all they weren't drunk [TS]

  so peter has been around in my life ever [TS]

  since Peter was the original bass player [TS]

  of the long winters but he quit before [TS]

  our first show well because he said that [TS]

  our music sounded too it wasn't [TS]

  authentic enough Peter has been a thorn [TS]

  in my side let's be honest but Peter was [TS]

  doing some work for my mom and then she [TS]

  said why doesn't Peter come out and do [TS]

  some work on your basement and I was [TS]

  like yeah it's gonna be complicated for [TS]

  me and Peter for me to be paying Peter [TS]

  mm-hmm and I sent Peter in text and I [TS]

  was like is this complicated for you to [TS]

  be working on my house after everything [TS]

  we've been through he was like at this [TS]

  stage in my life I'm playing video poker [TS]

  for a living [TS]

  I want to just mm-hmm take some money so [TS]

  I'll come work on your house so let's [TS]

  just to have it not be complicated he [TS]

  not my business but is it because Peter [TS]

  is independently wealthy that he plays [TS]

  video Parker or is he at this point is [TS]

  he coordinating with some are they far [TS]

  they have any kind of formal [TS]

  relationship or the Nola's are these [TS]

  people aware of each other not really [TS]

  okay Peter right now lives on a [TS]

  houseboat that is owned by his sister [TS]

  but it's not one of those houseboats [TS]

  that is like in Sex in the City [TS]

  yeah it's a houseboat that is basically [TS]

  like a as far as I know it's like a [TS]

  toolshed [TS]

  Popeye like it moves out faster on water [TS]

  and is the thing that I'm aware of [TS]

  yeah it's an older place it has one of [TS]

  those crooked smokes dance that you [TS]

  might see in an Appalachian home draws a [TS]

  chimney that's right and his sister owns [TS]

  it for some reason I don't know what his [TS]

  sister has money she has a condo [TS]

  downtown she's often out of [TS]

  peter has a place to live he's currently [TS]

  driving a Lexus because somebody owed [TS]

  his brother some or his uncle some money [TS]

  and the and the guy paid him in a Lexus [TS]

  okay at the guy gave the Lexus his uncle [TS]

  gave the Lexus to his daughter to take [TS]

  to college she she thought the Lexus was [TS]

  ostentatious and so somehow Peter in [TS]

  here it's not the Peter okay so he's [TS]

  living in a houseboat driving a Lexus [TS]

  right now he's working in my basement [TS]

  with structural things or as a moisture [TS]

  abatement or what kind of stuff is if [TS]

  you can save you're comfortable saying [TS]

  what kind of stuff is he doing your [TS]

  basement the basement was at some point [TS]

  in its history was like a practice space [TS]

  for a teenage heavy metal band you can [TS]

  tell from the graffiti on the walls okay [TS]

  at some point it was a root cellar [TS]

  there's still a coal hopper from when [TS]

  the house was heated with coal Wow [TS]

  the coal hopper still has coal in it [TS]

  although at some point before I bought [TS]

  the house people started throwing [TS]

  Mountain Dew bottles down into it too so [TS]

  it was like coal like ancient coal and [TS]

  also more recent Mountain Dew bottles [TS]

  genie like a laundry chute right and so [TS]

  Peter was like I'll get those Mountain [TS]

  Dew bottles out of there but what we [TS]

  really need is to put up some better [TS]

  walls and I said here's my vision I want [TS]

  it to be beadboard and he said yeah I [TS]

  can work with that so Peters basically [TS]

  building bead board walls in the [TS]

  basement while some is building a [TS]

  monitor and Merrimack out of the front [TS]

  porch and when they see each other in [TS]

  the yard when they're when the body [TS]

  meets a body I yeah [TS]

  they not each other okay because if it [TS]

  weren't for Peter there be no song oh [TS]

  that's true that's true [TS]

  okay but they have no but they're not [TS]

  interacting with each other two separate [TS]

  projects different sizes at this point [TS]

  and Peter works very quietly he's not [TS]

  part of the sonic signature I'm just hmm [TS]

  it's just I'm just [TS]

  mmm excluding the Lambrettas and the [TS]

  Knoller and the motorcycle girl just [TS]

  even keeping them out of the scene for [TS]

  the moment in the West bus it seems like [TS]

  at some point saw [TS]

  scope might expand or transmogrify in [TS]

  such a way that he made bump up against [TS]

  Peter in a way where they need to work [TS]

  work some things out and which case Sam [TS]

  would probably be kind of like the sub [TS]

  project manager for that part here's [TS]

  what's gonna happen [TS]

  Peters gonna start working up the [TS]

  basement stairs he's gonna start at the [TS]

  bottom of the basement stairs he's gonna [TS]

  be working up the basement stairs he [TS]

  doesn't up right Peter is like me he's [TS]

  too meticulous so Peters gonna be [TS]

  spending too much time making things [TS]

  perfect in the basement he's a part of [TS]

  the plan or something you just kind of [TS]

  know that's just one of the things you [TS]

  have to deal with when you're dealing [TS]

  with Peter okay if it isn't right [TS]

  Peter's gonna he's gonna scream fuck and [TS]

  then he's gonna rip it out and he's [TS]

  gonna have to do it over okay this is [TS]

  knowing when when the deadlines changed [TS]

  probably hear the yelling yeah well [TS]

  there's never a deadline with him [TS]

  because you just have to let him do his [TS]

  thing [TS]

  you just see it wind him up you feed him [TS]

  some Peter Chao and you lets go and it [TS]

  gets done when it gets done that's part [TS]

  of the that's part of the problem of [TS]

  hiring your friends that was the problem [TS]

  of the early long winters I put I didn't [TS]

  hire the best musicians I could find I [TS]

  just hired my friends I didn't I didn't [TS]

  Eric what Eric's been the best member of [TS]

  the long winters and he was the only guy [TS]

  I didn't know before I started the band [TS]

  everybody else I could have just I could [TS]

  have just put an ad in the newspaper and [TS]

  said wanted dudes that love Slayer so [TS]

  Peters gonna be working up from the [TS]

  bottom it's all eventual disappointments [TS]

  some is gonna come down from the roof [TS]

  and start working on the on the side of [TS]

  the house and there's a place at the [TS]

  basement door where there needs some [TS]

  siding there some siding work needs to [TS]

  get done and it's right where Peter is [TS]

  going to be arriving at the top of the [TS]

  stairs on Spike mr. golden spike that's [TS]

  it yeah he's gonna be working on that [TS]

  door from one side while Sam is working [TS]

  on that door from the other side and [TS]

  that will be the thing that ties the [TS]

  whole it would be like ooh and the [TS]

  project is completed until Psalm shows [TS]

  up and says listen I got [TS]

  your whole house I can't leave it this [TS]

  but I'm gonna give you one of the days [TS]

  gonna be amazing now one deal on the [TS]

  whole thing the whole thing it's a [TS]

  little basement I'm gonna do the whole [TS]

  thing Peters in the basement take it out [TS]

  the basement let's stop [TS]