Cortex 55: Go for the Big Elephant


00:00:00   hello Mike hi still traveling yeah I'm [TS]

00:00:02   in Memphis Tennessee right now I've been [TS]

00:00:04   in New York I've been in DC I've been in [TS]

00:00:06   Virginia and I still have New York left [TS]

00:00:10   again oh you are you are in the midst of [TS]

00:00:13   travel I am on like a serious CGP grey [TS]

00:00:16   Vision Quest right now I think Vision [TS]

00:00:19   Quest I like this this is how I imagined [TS]

00:00:21   there they all are right you just went [TS]

00:00:23   when you go on your car occasions that [TS]

00:00:25   you're just going out to have the [TS]

00:00:26   Epiphany that will then carry you [TS]

00:00:29   through the next five years which I [TS]

00:00:30   assume is what happens every time I like [TS]

00:00:32   this I like this the most recent travel [TS]

00:00:34   if any travel I have ever done was a [TS]

00:00:36   Vision Quest this most recent trip was a [TS]

00:00:38   Vision Quest so I like it I'm taking [TS]

00:00:40   this on board but what I'm I want to [TS]

00:00:43   know what I'm slightly concerned about [TS]

00:00:44   is you've been traveling all over the [TS]

00:00:46   place yep two and a half weeks two and a [TS]

00:00:49   half weeks [TS]

00:00:49   what's the laundry situation like Mike [TS]

00:00:53   laundry has been done twice oh okay it's [TS]

00:00:56   the situation before i divulged this the [TS]

00:01:00   circumstances under which I have [TS]

00:01:02   received clean clothes I just want to [TS]

00:01:05   touch upon the we have it more than a [TS]

00:01:09   handful of listeners to this show do you [TS]

00:01:11   want to say how many listeners we have [TS]

00:01:12   for this show Mike no we have lost and [TS]

00:01:17   we get lots of feedback for this show [TS]

00:01:19   like I'm really lots of feedback and [TS]

00:01:21   it's great and I love that our listeners [TS]

00:01:23   respect the methods in which the [TS]

00:01:25   feedback should be sent which is loop [TS]

00:01:27   Reddit and Twitter like I love that and [TS]

00:01:28   thank you to everybody that does that [TS]

00:01:30   you make our life so much easier by not [TS]

00:01:32   sending us email I also feel like we [TS]

00:01:34   have a real solutions oriented audience [TS]

00:01:37   oh yeah people are very good at sending [TS]

00:01:40   suggestions for great to use OneNote [TS]

00:01:44   that's the luau man that I love the [TS]

00:01:47   reddit last time people were explaining [TS]

00:01:49   it to you over again Bravo to anybody [TS]

00:01:51   that did that like I love you so much [TS]

00:01:53   that was so funny but I've received more [TS]

00:01:56   feedback about little doing laundry then [TS]

00:01:59   one I ever expected in my life and two [TS]

00:02:02   more than maybe most things we've ever [TS]

00:02:04   gotten about this show I have learned [TS]

00:02:06   more about doing laundry in New York [TS]

00:02:08   City and I think most people that live [TS]

00:02:10   in New York know like so [TS]

00:02:12   anyways like laundromats that I can use [TS]

00:02:15   laundromats that will do this stuff for [TS]

00:02:17   me there are apparently entire services [TS]

00:02:19   created with apps in New York to deal [TS]

00:02:22   with the laundry situation of people in [TS]

00:02:25   New York it feels like New York has a [TS]

00:02:27   particular laundry problem that I [TS]

00:02:29   haven't worked out yet that like there [TS]

00:02:30   uh there needs to be so many solutions [TS]

00:02:33   but there are like apps that you can use [TS]

00:02:35   and then will come and pick it up and [TS]

00:02:37   they'll do it and bring it back oh [TS]

00:02:38   that's fantastic I know there are also a [TS]

00:02:41   couple of people that suggested washing [TS]

00:02:42   my clothes in the sink that's never a [TS]

00:02:46   thing I'm gonna do no I just want to let [TS]

00:02:48   everyone know this like so many things [TS]

00:02:50   have to happen before I will wash my [TS]

00:02:53   clothes in a sink with a box of [TS]

00:02:55   detergent [TS]

00:02:57   I really never want to do that cuz that [TS]

00:02:59   just feels like I don't know like I feel [TS]

00:03:01   like when I get to that situation I've [TS]

00:03:03   exhausted all other options and uh there [TS]

00:03:07   are so many more things I would want to [TS]

00:03:08   try before washing him in the sink [TS]

00:03:10   including like going to a laundromat on [TS]

00:03:13   my own and getting it all wrong like I [TS]

00:03:15   would do that before I wash them in a [TS]

00:03:16   hotel sink I just don't want to do that [TS]

00:03:17   yeah I know that I have on occasion [TS]

00:03:23   washed clothes in a hotel sink I cannot [TS]

00:03:27   remember the details but it was exactly [TS]

00:03:29   this that it's like I would only do this [TS]

00:03:32   under the most dire of circumstances [TS]

00:03:33   that there is no other option left I [TS]

00:03:36   feel like most times that anybody would [TS]

00:03:39   ever do this is a time that they can't [TS]

00:03:41   remember the details like something [TS]

00:03:43   terrible has happened the only option [TS]

00:03:48   they have left to them is to pour some [TS]

00:03:51   powder into a sink and like smoosh it [TS]

00:03:53   around with your hand because I just [TS]

00:03:55   feel like yeah it's not efficient like [TS]

00:03:57   it's not effective I can feel like that [TS]

00:03:58   there is a not effective way of washing [TS]

00:04:00   the clothes either so I feel like that I [TS]

00:04:02   would try other things first [TS]

00:04:04   yeah it's trying to remember what are [TS]

00:04:06   the worst laundry situations I've ever [TS]

00:04:07   had while traveling and it's like I [TS]

00:04:09   can't remember the details of why I wash [TS]

00:04:11   clothes in a sink I know I've thrown out [TS]

00:04:14   clothes on a trip because it's just like [TS]

00:04:16   oh this is terrible like I'm not even [TS]

00:04:18   gonna try to wash these clothes but I [TS]

00:04:20   can't remember why however wash it in a [TS]

00:04:23   sink but it's not a good solution it's [TS]

00:04:24   not a good yeah I feel like I would [TS]

00:04:26   be more inclined to go to like a [TS]

00:04:28   supermarket and buy really cheap [TS]

00:04:30   replacement clothes first you know a bit [TS]

00:04:33   but anyway I'm sure that there are many [TS]

00:04:34   reasons like for example let's imagine [TS]

00:04:36   that I was going on a really important [TS]

00:04:38   business meeting and I somehow spilt [TS]

00:04:40   ketchup on my t-shirt or like on my [TS]

00:04:43   button-down shirt and it's the only one [TS]

00:04:44   that I have and I'm like in a pinch and [TS]

00:04:46   I'm just gonna go to the sink and use [TS]

00:04:48   some sort like you know to get a little [TS]

00:04:49   stain out or something I totally get [TS]

00:04:51   that but the idea of me taking two weeks [TS]

00:04:53   of clothes and throwing them in the [TS]

00:04:54   bathtub as a way to attempt to wash my [TS]

00:04:56   clothes that just doesn't feel like [TS]

00:04:58   something that I want to do like it just [TS]

00:05:01   because where they gonna dry like I [TS]

00:05:03   don't have any way of doing this like I [TS]

00:05:06   totally get that someone might do it for [TS]

00:05:07   one item of clothing one time because of [TS]

00:05:09   a disaster but I was talking like I'm [TS]

00:05:11   talking about all of the clothes that I [TS]

00:05:14   have for like 10 days turning them over [TS]

00:05:16   and I feel like washing them in the sink [TS]

00:05:18   is not the way to do that it doesn't [TS]

00:05:21   scale so okay look against all advice [TS]

00:05:24   that I have received yep from you all of [TS]

00:05:32   the advice that I received people told [TS]

00:05:34   me to use any other solution than [TS]

00:05:38   getting my clothes washed and like [TS]

00:05:41   laundered by the hotel yeah I do want to [TS]

00:05:44   specify that I think I was clear in the [TS]

00:05:45   last episode that getting it washed by [TS]

00:05:47   the hotel is the laziest option that [TS]

00:05:51   this is this is this is why it is also [TS]

00:05:53   my first choice is is laziness okay and [TS]

00:05:56   this is why I did it because this so I I [TS]

00:06:00   in New York City I have my clothes [TS]

00:06:02   laundered by the hotel mm-hmm I did that [TS]

00:06:05   the reason that I did this is like is [TS]

00:06:08   there's there's multiple little reasons [TS]

00:06:09   that all that are up to just laziness it [TS]

00:06:12   was the middle of the week I realized [TS]

00:06:13   that I my planning and not been good and [TS]

00:06:15   I ran out of clothes quicker than I [TS]

00:06:17   expected yep it was like the middle of [TS]

00:06:19   the week that I was in New York had [TS]

00:06:20   already been in America for nearly ten [TS]

00:06:22   days at this point I ran out of clothes [TS]

00:06:24   faster than expected because also the [TS]

00:06:27   weather wasn't as I planned it for so I [TS]

00:06:30   needed to have my clothes washed I was [TS]

00:06:32   heading out to a meeting and it would [TS]

00:06:36   have just been so much easier for me to [TS]

00:06:38   have the clothes [TS]

00:06:40   completed by the time that I returned in [TS]

00:06:42   the evening rather than having to [TS]

00:06:44   somehow find a space in either that day [TS]

00:06:46   or the next day and then like needing to [TS]

00:06:48   wear dirty clothes and it just was like [TS]

00:06:50   I'm just gonna get it done by the hotel [TS]

00:06:53   this was a mistake [TS]

00:06:54   this was a big mistake did they not [TS]

00:06:57   clean your clothes they cleaned them [TS]

00:06:59   great I'll put a picture in our show [TS]

00:07:02   notes which will also include for our [TS]

00:07:04   listeners of how the clothes were [TS]

00:07:05   returned for me oh yes look at that yeah [TS]

00:07:08   you got that you get the nice little [TS]

00:07:09   wrapped box with blue ribbon on them [TS]

00:07:11   which was very nice you know why you get [TS]

00:07:13   your clothes in a little box with [TS]

00:07:14   ribbons around it because of how much [TS]

00:07:17   they charge you great why so it is oh it [TS]

00:07:19   feels fancy and you know what this is a [TS]

00:07:22   trick that totally works on me every [TS]

00:07:23   time I have it done in a hotel my whole [TS]

00:07:25   like when it when the laundry comes back [TS]

00:07:27   in the little box with some tissue paper [TS]

00:07:30   around it I think look at this I got to [TS]

00:07:32   feel like a mr. fancy-pants when I came [TS]

00:07:34   back exactly that was until I take the [TS]

00:07:36   first box off the top and I am left with [TS]

00:07:40   the bill hmm so leading up to this point [TS]

00:07:44   a couple of things occurred so you have [TS]

00:07:47   to complete the the order yourself you [TS]

00:07:49   taught up all the things that you're [TS]

00:07:51   giving through them give them a total [TS]

00:07:52   and then you add it all right how many [TS]

00:07:54   socks how many shirts [TS]

00:07:55   Miera one problem that I had is there [TS]

00:07:58   was no t-shirts entry on this form so I [TS]

00:08:02   went with undershirts as a thing so I [TS]

00:08:06   figured that's the closest to a t-shirt [TS]

00:08:08   like this isn't a button-down shirt you [TS]

00:08:10   don't need to be careful with it you [TS]

00:08:11   don't need to fold it in a specific way [TS]

00:08:13   yeah so I figured I'll go with [TS]

00:08:14   undershirt the hotel decided that they [TS]

00:08:17   would plaster Miss t-shirts and then [TS]

00:08:19   create a price entry which is about [TS]

00:08:21   twice the amount so when I was filling [TS]

00:08:26   out the form it was already expensive [TS]

00:08:29   but when it came back it was far too [TS]

00:08:34   expensive and of course these forms say [TS]

00:08:36   whatever we say you pay absolutely so I [TS]

00:08:41   am embarrassed [TS]

00:08:43   very embarrassed by the amount of money [TS]

00:08:46   that I had to spend getting my laundry [TS]

00:08:50   done I have learned a very valuable life [TS]

00:08:54   lesson and I also think that the [TS]

00:08:57   majority of my clothes were ever so [TS]

00:08:59   slightly smaller then when they were [TS]

00:09:02   sent off and of course the form also [TS]

00:09:04   says Yolo that might happen right like [TS]

00:09:08   you who might shrink a little bit so [TS]

00:09:11   right they bear no responsibility for [TS]

00:09:13   the laundry that they are cleaning so I [TS]

00:09:15   I will I will [TS]

00:09:16   stand with my arms extended like out to [TS]

00:09:20   my sides to all listeners and say you [TS]

00:09:23   were right and I was wrong and I am [TS]

00:09:25   stupid for doing this because I spent an [TS]

00:09:29   embarrassing amount of money to have my [TS]

00:09:33   clothes slightly shrunk that's what I [TS]

00:09:36   did and I will never do this again I [TS]

00:09:39   haven't worked out what I'm gonna do [TS]

00:09:41   well ok I will never do this again for [TS]

00:09:43   the amount of clothes that I did it for [TS]

00:09:46   mmm right ok so if I have like a shirt [TS]

00:09:51   that needs to be ironed and pressed and [TS]

00:09:53   all that I may pay $10 to get that done [TS]

00:09:56   but like I had a week's worth of clothes [TS]

00:09:59   cleaned I'm never gonna do that again by [TS]

00:10:01   the hotel that's like if I need to do it [TS]

00:10:05   so it might be in a hotel time going to [TS]

00:10:07   next I will check the prices and if it's [TS]

00:10:09   very cheap for some silly reason it's [TS]

00:10:11   not going to be but it's never going to [TS]

00:10:13   be it's never is never going to be after [TS]

00:10:15   this I started looking into a little bit [TS]

00:10:17   more like why is it the price that it is [TS]

00:10:19   and it turns out because businesspeople [TS]

00:10:21   get this stuff done and just charge it [TS]

00:10:24   to their company and then they're good [TS]

00:10:26   to go [TS]

00:10:26   right because it's all expenses based so [TS]

00:10:29   nobody cares how much it costs is really [TS]

00:10:30   going to be covering the cost of your [TS]

00:10:32   laundry Mike there is no way that I [TS]

00:10:34   would present this bill to my company [TS]

00:10:36   purely because it would be laughed at [TS]

00:10:40   and I would never receive the money [TS]

00:10:42   [Laughter] [TS]

00:10:45   I don't know Mike I just this is the [TS]

00:10:48   lazy option the lazy option as is so [TS]

00:10:51   always the case the expensive option I [TS]

00:10:53   expected that right I expected it to be [TS]

00:10:57   to being more expensive so now I guess I [TS]

00:11:00   guess what I need to know here Mike is [TS]

00:11:02   what's the number because I feel like I [TS]

00:11:05   feel like you're you're squirmy and [TS]

00:11:07   evasive over the microphone I can't do [TS]

00:11:09   it great I can't I can't I cannot tell [TS]

00:11:12   the world the amount of money this cost [TS]

00:11:14   me I can't do it [TS]

00:11:15   you you have a real you have a real [TS]

00:11:17   emotional attachments to the cost of [TS]

00:11:19   your laundry here Mike it's the [TS]

00:11:21   embarrassment of it I think yeah but I [TS]

00:11:23   feel like you need to cleanse your soul [TS]

00:11:25   of this of this number I'll tell you so [TS]

00:11:29   I want to just tell you okay I have [TS]

00:11:30   maybe 70 shirts a pair of shorts maybe [TS]

00:11:34   six or seven pairs of under shorts as [TS]

00:11:36   they were named rich I found funny and [TS]

00:11:39   at like a handful of socks and one [TS]

00:11:40   button-down shirt that was kind of the [TS]

00:11:42   the total amount of items that I had [TS]

00:11:44   cleaned okay all right are you ready I'm [TS]

00:11:47   ready [TS]

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00:13:33   show yeah I don't know that's getting [TS]

00:13:36   your laundry done in New York I think [TS]

00:13:38   that seems too crazy I can't tell people [TS]

00:13:41   the amount of money look Mike if you [TS]

00:13:44   need to you could you can bleep that out [TS]

00:13:45   right but you won't you also have the [TS]

00:13:48   problem that what I didn't specify last [TS]

00:13:50   time when I was giving you the advice [TS]

00:13:51   about do they do the laundry at the [TS]

00:13:52   hotel I'm used to really big numbers [TS]

00:13:54   here because I'm always the guy doing [TS]

00:13:57   the rush job with the laundry because [TS]

00:13:59   when I'm traveling I feel like this this [TS]

00:14:01   is again this for me is one of these [TS]

00:14:02   cases where when I am traveling [TS]

00:14:05   especially in the last couple of years [TS]

00:14:07   it is largely for business or for [TS]

00:14:09   particular purpose and I feel like my [TS]

00:14:12   time is valuable in a place and also I [TS]

00:14:14   just can't deal with the details of [TS]

00:14:16   anything and so I am often in the [TS]

00:14:18   situation where I have totally forgotten [TS]

00:14:20   about laundry until the last possible [TS]

00:14:21   second and then not only am i filling [TS]

00:14:25   out their ridiculously mafioso monopoly [TS]

00:14:28   expensive form about how much the [TS]

00:14:30   laundry is going to cost [TS]

00:14:31   I also tick the box which says I need it [TS]

00:14:34   as soon as you can which as far as I can [TS]

00:14:36   tell just gives them a license to write [TS]

00:14:38   whatever number they can name but in the [TS]

00:14:40   little laundry okay so I really wish I [TS]

00:14:43   would have been given this little piece [TS]

00:14:44   of information because the thing is I [TS]

00:14:47   agree with everything you say I think [TS]

00:14:48   that part of the reason we're able to [TS]

00:14:51   have these conversations is I agree with [TS]

00:14:53   that logic right like right I had stuff [TS]

00:14:55   to do I didn't have the time which is [TS]

00:14:57   why I got it done in the first place but [TS]

00:14:59   I just don't think that I was mentally [TS]

00:15:00   prepared for the amount of money this is [TS]

00:15:02   going to cost me [TS]

00:15:05   if I have the amount of money out the [TS]

00:15:09   listener just understand that I just [TS]

00:15:12   don't want you to think bad of me right [TS]

00:15:15   understand that I was a man caught out [TS]

00:15:19   by a system in which he could not [TS]

00:15:22   control and he did something silly and [TS]

00:15:25   he's never gonna do it again and we can [TS]

00:15:27   all make mistakes because now I have [TS]

00:15:29   done more washing and I have completed [TS]

00:15:32   that washing in the home of my [TS]

00:15:34   co-founder and I have used really weird [TS]

00:15:36   machines that American people have it's [TS]

00:15:39   like for example we were talking about [TS]

00:15:42   doing you know Ethan was helping me with [TS]

00:15:44   his washing machine and I was like yeah [TS]

00:15:46   I usually set it to 30 degrees it's like [TS]

00:15:48   I can't I'd have no idea I can't help [TS]

00:15:49   you this machine doesn't go by [TS]

00:15:51   temperature like this and like just [TS]

00:15:55   things like how did when I was loading [TS]

00:15:57   the washing machine water was already in [TS]

00:15:58   the machine what is this voodoo I don't [TS]

00:16:01   understand like I put with my washing [TS]

00:16:05   machine everything goes in I closed the [TS]

00:16:06   door I choose to temperature and I press [TS]

00:16:08   go and then it starts I was adding [TS]

00:16:10   laundry to a machine that was already [TS]

00:16:12   motioned oh yeah okay I got yeah that's [TS]

00:16:16   one of those it's one of those a [TS]

00:16:17   top-loading agitator yeah I know that [TS]

00:16:19   this is what I can't understand [TS]

00:16:21   like I just I don't this is what I knew [TS]

00:16:23   was gonna happen to me if I tried to do [TS]

00:16:24   it on my own that I would be faced with [TS]

00:16:26   by one of these machines that I don't [TS]

00:16:27   understand how to use no it's it's great [TS]

00:16:30   it's like it's like a cement mixer you [TS]

00:16:32   know you can just keep throwing more [TS]

00:16:33   stuff in the laundry machine goes it's [TS]

00:16:35   fans that seats but do you understand [TS]

00:16:37   like I'm showing you have used a [TS]

00:16:39   European style machine or like machines [TS]

00:16:42   I'm sure they exist in America I have [TS]

00:16:44   one not not five feet away from where [TS]

00:16:47   I'm recording this podcast but do you do [TS]

00:16:49   not do you say like why I have been [TS]

00:16:50   apprehensive about this cuz it's it's [TS]

00:16:52   effectively using a machine type that [TS]

00:16:54   I've never used before for the only [TS]

00:16:57   clothes that I own here right like I'm [TS]

00:17:00   putting everything that I can wear into [TS]

00:17:02   a machine I don't understand you seem to [TS]

00:17:03   have some psychological issues around [TS]

00:17:05   laundry while I'm I'm I'm happy to make [TS]

00:17:07   fun of you publicly and privately for [TS]

00:17:10   these laundry issues that you seem to [TS]

00:17:11   have I also again totally get it that [TS]

00:17:15   this is the kind of thing that when [TS]

00:17:16   you're traveling [TS]

00:17:17   is more anxiety inducing than it would [TS]

00:17:19   be otherwise it's not something that you [TS]

00:17:21   really want to deal with because you [TS]

00:17:23   have other things that you're doing and [TS]

00:17:25   and you just like little things that are [TS]

00:17:28   different can be surprisingly dear [TS]

00:17:29   ailing when you're traveling so I I I [TS]

00:17:33   will make fun of you but I am also [TS]

00:17:34   underneath I am sympathetic I'm not a [TS]

00:17:37   Luddite I can what I can work these [TS]

00:17:40   things out but it is the idea of like I [TS]

00:17:43   just want it to be done and I don't want [TS]

00:17:46   anything to go wrong right I did this is [TS]

00:17:49   the thing so I don't know how I'm going [TS]

00:17:52   to wash my clothes for the rest of my [TS]

00:17:53   trip when I'm back in New York but I [TS]

00:17:55   know I'm not using the hotel I'm prime [TS]

00:17:58   next up I'm gonna look into these [TS]

00:17:59   services that will apparently come and [TS]

00:18:02   collect my clothes because people tell [TS]

00:18:03   me that this stuff is not as expensive [TS]

00:18:05   as it might seem to be so what I know is [TS]

00:18:08   it's not gonna be more expensive than [TS]

00:18:10   giving it done in the hotel well I mean [TS]

00:18:12   like a nap sounds fantastic for laundry [TS]

00:18:14   and and that also seems the case of [TS]

00:18:16   there is actual competition there which [TS]

00:18:19   could drive down the prices there is and [TS]

00:18:21   there's also economies of scale that a [TS]

00:18:23   hotel doesn't have in the same way for [TS]

00:18:25   doing the laundry so this this this [TS]

00:18:27   seems great I remember vaguely wondering [TS]

00:18:29   if they were apps that could do your [TS]

00:18:31   laundry for you and it sounds like they [TS]

00:18:33   exist in New York at the very least and [TS]

00:18:35   I will I will probably look after this [TS]

00:18:37   podcast to see if they exist in London I [TS]

00:18:39   think they do actually amazing so part [TS]

00:18:44   of all of this why the laundry is such a [TS]

00:18:46   big thing is it's like disruption to my [TS]

00:18:50   life whilst I am in a situation where [TS]

00:18:52   I'm in a place for work you know yeah [TS]

00:18:56   what we have lovingly referred to as [TS]

00:18:58   grey kay shion's like I'm here in [TS]

00:19:00   different places and I'm I have my [TS]

00:19:03   regular work commitments to keep up with [TS]

00:19:05   lost additional things that I'm doing [TS]

00:19:06   I've decided that I would like to refer [TS]

00:19:09   to this in my past as a Hurley day as [TS]

00:19:12   and you have your gradations and I have [TS]

00:19:15   my Hurley days that's how they work and [TS]

00:19:17   so that's what I have been on like over [TS]

00:19:20   the last couple of weeks and this is [TS]

00:19:21   still gonna continue but during these [TS]

00:19:22   times like you I kind of I don't have my [TS]

00:19:26   usual things around me so I just when I [TS]

00:19:28   have to deal with like what would be a [TS]

00:19:30   chore right [TS]

00:19:31   could my regular chores I want it to be [TS]

00:19:35   easy because I don't have my way of [TS]

00:19:37   doing it like my muscle memory just the [TS]

00:19:40   things I don't have to think about I [TS]

00:19:42   don't want them to be things I now have [TS]

00:19:44   to think about because I'm already [TS]

00:19:46   adding additional work into my life by [TS]

00:19:49   being here it's the one of the reasons [TS]

00:19:50   I'm here I don't want to then have to [TS]

00:19:52   add this whole other layer of like [TS]

00:19:55   relearning how to do things that I [TS]

00:19:58   already know how to do right yeah well [TS]

00:20:02   when you're traveling you have less [TS]

00:20:03   ability to deal with disruption [TS]

00:20:04   especially if you change countries like [TS]

00:20:07   I was I was trying in Germany a while [TS]

00:20:09   ago and and a couple of things came up [TS]

00:20:11   that I need to I need to do some [TS]

00:20:12   essentially some errand to type things [TS]

00:20:14   and realize immediately I have no idea [TS]

00:20:17   what stores to go to to accomplish these [TS]

00:20:18   errands right or it was in in London to [TS]

00:20:21   be like oh I just need to pop into a [TS]

00:20:22   boots right I could I can just do this [TS]

00:20:24   or I'll I'll go I'll go to a Walgreens [TS]

00:20:26   in America right you use boots because [TS]

00:20:28   to an American this is like it's like [TS]

00:20:30   the most English sounding store that our [TS]

00:20:34   equivalent of Walmart is called boots [TS]

00:20:36   that's what it's called [TS]

00:20:38   we have boots yeah I said that it's a [TS]

00:20:40   it's a Walgreens okay yeah no I get [TS]

00:20:44   those confused because they have the [TS]

00:20:45   exact same start to their name it's yeah [TS]

00:20:47   Walgreens like it's like a big chemist [TS]

00:20:49   that also does some other stuff yeah [TS]

00:20:51   exactly [TS]

00:20:52   it's it's the miscellaneous store that [TS]

00:20:54   has a whole bunch of stuff and yeah so I [TS]

00:20:56   remember like I was just in Germany I'm [TS]

00:20:58   like I have no idea where to go for a [TS]

00:21:01   bunch of these tiny items that I know [TS]

00:21:02   would be all together at it boots but [TS]

00:21:05   now this is turning into a big hassle [TS]

00:21:07   it's like like how do I search on maps [TS]

00:21:09   for where to buy q-tips like I don't [TS]

00:21:11   understand how do I find this piece of [TS]

00:21:13   information search for the contents of a [TS]

00:21:18   store rygel maps yeah that is what I [TS]

00:21:22   want that is what I want I need scotch [TS]

00:21:23   tape where do i acquire this item right [TS]

00:21:27   idea these are the things I'm just not I [TS]

00:21:30   just don't want to do Plus and kind of [TS]

00:21:32   like just makes things more difficult [TS]

00:21:33   and I have had something happen to me [TS]

00:21:36   gray which has ruined all of my systems [TS]

00:21:39   and I don't know what to do [TS]

00:21:42   I have lost two button-down shirts [TS]

00:21:45   somehow on this trip whoo [TS]

00:21:47   now this is not the end of the world [TS]

00:21:50   when I go back to New York I'm gonna go [TS]

00:21:52   to a store and I'm gonna buy myself a [TS]

00:21:54   new shirt my problem is I didn't know I [TS]

00:21:57   had lost them I'm supposed to have a [TS]

00:22:00   system that prevents this the system has [TS]

00:22:03   failed [TS]

00:22:03   what do you count your shirts out in any [TS]

00:22:06   of your suitcase every time like a bike [TS]

00:22:08   hacking system right like a system of [TS]

00:22:11   packing and when I leave a hotel a [TS]

00:22:13   system of checking a one of those have [TS]

00:22:17   failed me to the point where I have lost [TS]

00:22:19   2/3 of the shirts that I brought with me [TS]

00:22:21   and I don't know how this happened [TS]

00:22:25   because I have a memory of not removing [TS]

00:22:29   them from my suitcase so where are they [TS]

00:22:31   right like that I have been I have been [TS]

00:22:33   honestly losing my mind about this over [TS]

00:22:35   the last couple of days because I cannot [TS]

00:22:37   work out where they are plus I have this [TS]

00:22:41   whole conspiracy theory thing going on [TS]

00:22:43   as well oh okay okay well I mean before [TS]

00:22:46   before like but before we get to your [TS]

00:22:49   conspiracy theory I think I think it is [TS]

00:22:51   good advice for anybody traveling that [TS]

00:22:54   you just assume that as you move around [TS]

00:22:58   you leave behind you a detritus of the [TS]

00:23:02   objects that you have brought with you [TS]

00:23:04   and it's impossible to track them [TS]

00:23:06   perfectly like you always leave stuff [TS]

00:23:08   behind [TS]

00:23:09   yeah so just I don't know this is the [TS]

00:23:11   case but like shirts the reason this is [TS]

00:23:14   concerning for me pants yeah people [TS]

00:23:16   sometimes you leave them up no no that [TS]

00:23:18   doesn't happen please that that's not [TS]

00:23:20   the thing um the reason this is [TS]

00:23:22   concerning for me is because the system [TS]

00:23:24   in which I use to make sure that I have [TS]

00:23:27   packed my clothing is the same system in [TS]

00:23:29   which I use to ensure that I've packed [TS]

00:23:31   everything and on this trip I have a lot [TS]

00:23:34   of relatively expensive audio equipment [TS]

00:23:37   that is not easy to replace in a flash I [TS]

00:23:40   may not realize I have lost something in [TS]

00:23:43   this whole setup until it is too late [TS]

00:23:46   and I am about to record a show so like [TS]

00:23:49   this is my concern right it's not that I [TS]

00:23:52   have lost the shirts because shirts are [TS]

00:23:54   replaceable [TS]

00:23:55   easily and also I can just wear [TS]

00:23:57   something else right like I'm fine but [TS]

00:24:00   it is the concern that I have now that [TS]

00:24:02   my system and my mental models are [TS]

00:24:04   making sure I have packed everything [TS]

00:24:05   have failed me and that could result in [TS]

00:24:08   the losing of something more important [TS]

00:24:10   when I am only half way through this and [TS]

00:24:12   I have lost a significant amount of [TS]

00:24:15   things are heavy [TS]

00:24:15   Oh what's with your plan of action [TS]

00:24:18   something else may be lost gray and I [TS]

00:24:20   just don't know what it is yet [TS]

00:24:21   I mean you'll find out at an [TS]

00:24:23   inconvenient moment but what is your [TS]

00:24:24   what's your plan of action here Mike I [TS]

00:24:26   don't have one okay did your system [TS]

00:24:30   involve touching each of the shirts and [TS]

00:24:32   counting them as you packed and unpacked [TS]

00:24:34   them well no because I didn't have a [TS]

00:24:36   number associated to these things so [TS]

00:24:38   maybe now I know how to do that but it's [TS]

00:24:40   already too late now right because I can [TS]

00:24:42   count the number of things that I have [TS]

00:24:44   but it doesn't mean I have everything [TS]

00:24:45   this is the problem I can only fix this [TS]

00:24:48   for the next time I leave home for where [TS]

00:24:51   I am now I can count everything that I [TS]

00:24:53   have and it will help me for the rest of [TS]

00:24:54   the trip but I can't count what's [TS]

00:24:56   already lost and who knows what's lost [TS]

00:24:58   it could be everything I think it's very [TS]

00:25:01   unlikely it's everything like I think [TS]

00:25:03   you have a suitcase full of things I [TS]

00:25:04   live with shouting a suitcase right now [TS]

00:25:06   I feel like you have been traveling too [TS]

00:25:09   long this is ver this is a very long [TS]

00:25:11   trip for you and I many hard they were [TS]

00:25:14   spiraling out of control right that's it [TS]

00:25:18   that's what this is like this I feel [TS]

00:25:20   like I'm listening to a man on the edge [TS]

00:25:22   and it's like oh poor Mike he was not [TS]

00:25:25   meant to travel by himself for this long [TS]

00:25:26   I was supposed to and yeah this is I [TS]

00:25:30   don't know how you felt the first time [TS]

00:25:32   you did this but like I have ramped up [TS]

00:25:35   significantly right the most I have ever [TS]

00:25:37   been away is like a week at a time and I [TS]

00:25:39   went for five I feel like I maybe went [TS]

00:25:41   III I hurtled towards the Sun gray and I [TS]

00:25:45   think I got burnt a little bit along the [TS]

00:25:47   way I can't say that I'm too surprised [TS]

00:25:50   because we have had some conversations [TS]

00:25:54   about our various like relations with [TS]

00:25:57   people like and socializing and all the [TS]

00:25:59   rest of this and [TS]

00:26:01   you what you have always said things [TS]

00:26:03   that make me make me think like maybe [TS]

00:26:05   you shouldn't be alone for a really long [TS]

00:26:06   time you're like oh you've asked me oh [TS]

00:26:08   don't get lonely so I I haven't been [TS]

00:26:11   spending the amount of time alone you [TS]

00:26:13   spend we'll talk about that in a bit but [TS]

00:26:15   like the way that I have structured [TS]

00:26:16   these trips I'm not alone so much mm-hmm [TS]

00:26:19   it's just away from my usual norms I [TS]

00:26:22   think is the problem for me and I've [TS]

00:26:24   never done it but five weeks is too much [TS]

00:26:26   you're a creature of habit then perhaps [TS]

00:26:29   yeah maybe [TS]

00:26:30   and you're all frazzled at the edges [TS]

00:26:32   you've got your first sticking up in [TS]

00:26:35   funny directions like you're all [TS]

00:26:36   ungroomed and then missing two shirts I [TS]

00:26:38   was fine until the shots the shirts were [TS]

00:26:41   what pushed me over the edge because now [TS]

00:26:43   it's like the things that I think are [TS]

00:26:45   written down and set in stone they're [TS]

00:26:47   failing me now and to me I don't know [TS]

00:26:49   what to do I go I'm just worried that [TS]

00:26:51   you you're gonna like in another week [TS]

00:26:53   you're going to be like an obsessive [TS]

00:26:55   compulsive vampire constantly counting [TS]

00:26:57   and recounting all of the things in your [TS]

00:26:59   suitcase but I don't know what to tell [TS]

00:27:01   you man because you've got another two [TS]

00:27:03   weeks to go I enjoyed your choice of [TS]

00:27:05   vampire that was good foreshadowing it [TS]

00:27:08   is foreshadowing foreshadows yeah okay [TS]

00:27:11   so I have one week and two days until it [TS]

00:27:15   all gets better again and then I have [TS]

00:27:17   another week because in one week in two [TS]

00:27:19   days the dinner is coming to join me and [TS]

00:27:20   then she can sort me out right okay I [TS]

00:27:23   can be fixed by this point she's just [TS]

00:27:25   she's already saying to me that like my [TS]

00:27:28   as you can imagine my reaction to the [TS]

00:27:31   shots I am overreacting I am very aware [TS]

00:27:34   of the fact I am overreacting but there [TS]

00:27:36   is nothing I can do about it now I am in [TS]

00:27:38   like that I'm in the zone I know that [TS]

00:27:40   losing a shirt shouldn't spiral you out [TS]

00:27:42   of control but there's nothing I can [TS]

00:27:44   talk about this it is true that telling [TS]

00:27:47   someone they are overreacting is exactly [TS]

00:27:50   zero percent useful because I know I am [TS]

00:27:52   already exactly right the people who are [TS]

00:27:54   the people who are overreacting they [TS]

00:27:56   often know that's not the problem it's [TS]

00:27:58   not a knowledge problem it's it's a [TS]

00:28:01   something else problem you don't even [TS]

00:28:03   know about my conspiracy theory yeah [TS]

00:28:04   well yeah I was I was going to circle [TS]

00:28:06   back to this and gonna let that casual [TS]

00:28:11   comment [TS]

00:28:12   go on mind for podcast contents of of [TS]

00:28:16   how is Mike losing his mind while [TS]

00:28:19   travelling for an entire - I shouldn't [TS]

00:28:21   be talking to you about this should have [TS]

00:28:24   stayed in oh oh no do you want to know [TS]

00:28:28   do me to tell you what happen you have [TS]

00:28:30   to tell me all right what this [TS]

00:28:31   conspiracy thing is I arrived in New [TS]

00:28:33   York City just as Mike I arrived in New [TS]

00:28:36   York City at Penn Station and I had to [TS]

00:28:40   get to Times Square mm-hmm I arrived in [TS]

00:28:43   New York City - atrocious rain like it [TS]

00:28:47   was really badly raining named mm-hmm [TS]

00:28:50   I have a really heavy suitcase I made my [TS]

00:28:54   way to the subway my first I think it's [TS]

00:28:58   the first time I ever rode the subway on [TS]

00:28:59   my own and that's like a whole other [TS]

00:29:01   thing about how confusing I find in New [TS]

00:29:03   York subway compared to the London Tube [TS]

00:29:05   I will give you that one like even as [TS]

00:29:08   someone who had experience with the New [TS]

00:29:09   York subway as a much younger self it is [TS]

00:29:13   is a much less user-friendly situation [TS]

00:29:17   than the London Underground I won't [TS]

00:29:18   necessarily say more difficult I'll just [TS]

00:29:20   say less user-friendly I think is the [TS]

00:29:22   way I would put it I have become more [TS]

00:29:24   adept at navigating it now but like [TS]

00:29:27   initially when I just thought that I was [TS]

00:29:29   gonna be able to just go like just go [TS]

00:29:31   that's not like it you kind of go it's [TS]

00:29:35   like are you going uptown or downtown [TS]

00:29:36   you have to know if you don't know so I [TS]

00:29:43   made my way and I did what I had to do [TS]

00:29:46   and I got to the hotel I arrived at the [TS]

00:29:51   hotel having walked through the rain I [TS]

00:29:53   am dripping right onto the floor of the [TS]

00:29:56   hotel mmm I met with the check-in guy [TS]

00:29:59   and he has a sense of humor he's a funny [TS]

00:30:03   guy and he's checking me in and he's [TS]

00:30:08   like you know can I have your ID in your [TS]

00:30:11   cart make sure I give him my idea give [TS]

00:30:12   him a credit card so he can they can do [TS]

00:30:14   whatever it is they need to do all that [TS]

00:30:16   stuff I didn't fully understand why I [TS]

00:30:17   have to give anybody my idea of [TS]

00:30:19   doublings is the thing you have to do in [TS]

00:30:20   America yeah I don't get that either I [TS]

00:30:23   like just let me pay I paid you for the [TS]

00:30:27   I don't anyway yeah it's it seems very [TS]

00:30:29   strange like what do I need to give my [TS]

00:30:31   ID at a restaurant like well I don't I [TS]

00:30:33   don't understand why here but they do so [TS]

00:30:37   they take the ID and so he's checking me [TS]

00:30:39   and he just says what is your email [TS]

00:30:41   address and I said why do you need my [TS]

00:30:45   email address [TS]

00:30:46   who and he's just like all we put into [TS]

00:30:48   the system was like nah then he said [TS]

00:30:52   what if you lose something and we need [TS]

00:30:55   to contact you no I see where this is [TS]

00:30:57   going ok yeah I could see that I can see [TS]

00:30:58   where the crazy begins ok yep and I said [TS]

00:31:01   to him it's ok [TS]

00:31:02   like I don't but I you know you can [TS]

00:31:06   contact me in other ways like I don't [TS]

00:31:07   want to give you my email address and [TS]

00:31:09   he's like ok and he's making these jokes [TS]

00:31:10   so there is a part of me that was like [TS]

00:31:13   she's still my chefs because it was he [TS]

00:31:22   was so insistent on if I lose something [TS]

00:31:24   right I think because he made a joke [TS]

00:31:26   about it it's like oh well we lost them [TS]

00:31:28   I can thing is great here's the thing [TS]

00:31:33   mm-hmm [TS]

00:31:34   when I was in DC I didn't unpack so I [TS]

00:31:38   know I didn't take the shirts out when I [TS]

00:31:40   was in DC because I was in there for a [TS]

00:31:41   couple of days I was in New York eyes [TS]

00:31:43   there for a week and I did unpack it's [TS]

00:31:46   certainly not that unpacking [TS]

00:31:47   dramatically increases the likelihood of [TS]

00:31:49   losing something but I I know I it but [TS]

00:31:52   this is the thing right so like I am an [TS]

00:31:54   impassive Eva my system of checking the [TS]

00:31:57   room is bad or the check-in assistant [TS]

00:32:00   stole two shirts for me right and right [TS]

00:32:03   now they are both upsetting in their own [TS]

00:32:07   way they're both upsetting but like all [TS]

00:32:09   good conspiracy theories you clearly [TS]

00:32:11   want to believe that the shirts were [TS]

00:32:14   stolen versus your system has failed you [TS]

00:32:18   it is better for me to feel that the man [TS]

00:32:20   stole from me that's basically what [TS]

00:32:22   conspiracy theories are right there they [TS]

00:32:24   are attractive sets of ideas that you [TS]

00:32:26   kind of want to be true like whoo yeah [TS]

00:32:29   this to be much better than my system [TS]

00:32:31   failing I would far prefer it as a [TS]

00:32:34   slight side tension at the hotels when [TS]

00:32:36   they ask for all your and [TS]

00:32:37   this is why I have learned to just give [TS]

00:32:41   them false information right because I [TS]

00:32:43   used to do the like why do you need my [TS]

00:32:44   phone number why do you need my email [TS]

00:32:46   address thing why do you need my home [TS]

00:32:48   home address like any of these [TS]

00:32:49   informations these places ask now I just [TS]

00:32:51   I just make stuff up I just put down [TS]

00:32:53   fake number since like whatever never [TS]

00:32:55   has caused a problem and it just gets it [TS]

00:32:57   it gets us past this you want to build [TS]

00:33:00   your email list like hotel I will never [TS]

00:33:02   visit again that like that's what's [TS]

00:33:04   occurring here so I just give them [TS]

00:33:06   information that's not true that's why [TS]

00:33:09   just a fake email address Mike let's say [TS]

00:33:11   that's what you need yeah but then they [TS]

00:33:13   would email me if I lost the things and [TS]

00:33:15   it would never come back to me with it [TS]

00:33:17   look look if there's something important [TS]

00:33:20   at the hotel they can get in touch with [TS]

00:33:22   you when I check into a hotel I give [TS]

00:33:24   them all the fake information for like [TS]

00:33:25   Oh what sorry what's your email address [TS]

00:33:27   what's your phone number right because [TS]

00:33:29   if they need to get in touch they can do [TS]

00:33:30   it and I also when I go into the room [TS]

00:33:33   there are several things that I do to [TS]

00:33:34   get a hotel room ready for me but one of [TS]

00:33:36   those things includes unplugging the [TS]

00:33:39   phone in the wall is it'd be like I [TS]

00:33:40   don't want you to call me randomly with [TS]

00:33:42   some with something I probably don't [TS]

00:33:43   really care about check for bugs check [TS]

00:33:46   the lamps and stuff no I don't check the [TS]

00:33:48   lamps I have to get it ready for me like [TS]

00:33:56   nothing enters I go in with a hood and [TS]

00:33:58   then I unplug I don't plug the phone I [TS]

00:34:01   check the lamp for bugs [TS]

00:34:02   that's crazy crazy crazy crazy yeah [TS]

00:34:07   protip though for anybody who does want [TS]

00:34:09   to unplug the phones that the the hotel [TS]

00:34:11   desk doesn't bother you with their dumb [TS]

00:34:13   phone calls if it is a cordless phone [TS]

00:34:16   make sure to take the battery out of the [TS]

00:34:17   phone as well because it will start [TS]

00:34:19   beeping in about 24 hours when the [TS]

00:34:21   battery begins to run down beep beep to [TS]

00:34:23   let you know need to charge me so pull [TS]

00:34:25   that battery out the back of the phone [TS]

00:34:26   unplug the phone from the wall and you [TS]

00:34:29   have a nice nice quiet hotel room no one [TS]

00:34:31   will bother you and if it's really [TS]

00:34:32   important they'll catch you when you're [TS]

00:34:34   walking past the front desk that has [TS]

00:34:35   always been my experience [TS]

00:34:36   ok maybe what I need to do is set up an [TS]

00:34:39   email address that I never check but [TS]

00:34:42   like it was there so like if I have lost [TS]

00:34:44   something I can just go log into that [TS]

00:34:46   email account and check that address but [TS]

00:34:48   it's full of their emails from the gap [TS]

00:34:50   and there's no gain they got my FAC so [TS]

00:34:53   we're all about in the show yeah yeah I [TS]

00:34:56   I'm in a just a real pickle I'm gonna I [TS]

00:34:58   called the hotel they said they didn't [TS]

00:35:00   find anything I don't believe them [TS]

00:35:02   and this is where I am in my life gray [TS]

00:35:04   it's not good it's not good I I don't [TS]

00:35:07   want to put an idea in your mind but I'm [TS]

00:35:08   pretty sure that when you called the guy [TS]

00:35:10   who answered was wearing your shirt at [TS]

00:35:12   the time there were nice shots too can't [TS]

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00:37:15   website alright Mike tell me now I know [TS]

00:37:19   we've had a fascinating discussion about [TS]

00:37:21   you're slowly unraveling mental state [TS]

00:37:23   but what are you doing in America right [TS]

00:37:28   now yep what are you there for I want to [TS]

00:37:30   know tell me so many things gray so I [TS]

00:37:32   have attended a pen show of course do [TS]

00:37:37   you know what a pen show is by now right [TS]

00:37:39   like you know yeah it's a show where you [TS]

00:37:42   can buy pens yes it's like a big place [TS]

00:37:44   where you can go and you can buy pens [TS]

00:37:45   and I have a show all about pens called [TS]

00:37:48   the pen addict and we do a Kickstarter [TS]

00:37:49   every year and for us to go to different [TS]

00:37:51   shows and we go and we record live shows [TS]

00:37:54   there at you in three this year which is [TS]

00:37:56   wild so I was at the DC pen show wait [TS]

00:37:59   are you doing three live pen shows is [TS]

00:38:01   that what you're saying three live [TS]

00:38:02   episodes of the pen addict because of [TS]

00:38:05   the comic it's a North American tour [TS]

00:38:08   we're gonna be in Chicago in October [TS]

00:38:09   that's amazing yeah I live a really [TS]

00:38:13   weird life it's kind of beautiful so we [TS]

00:38:17   I was in DC for the pen show then I went [TS]

00:38:19   to New York and that was just purely [TS]

00:38:21   like I'm waiting like it was it wasn't a [TS]

00:38:24   holding pattern because I'm in Memphis [TS]

00:38:25   right now which is where Stephen my [TS]

00:38:28   co-founder lives and we get together [TS]

00:38:29   every year because it's real AFM's [TS]

00:38:31   birthday in August we're actually gonna [TS]

00:38:33   talk a little bit about that at the end [TS]

00:38:34   of the show so but it's good for me and [TS]

00:38:37   him to get together every year because [TS]

00:38:39   we get to work in the same place which [TS]

00:38:43   is just nice but we also get to like [TS]

00:38:45   think about our company you know and [TS]

00:38:47   talk through stuff like that together [TS]

00:38:49   which is really useful and we kind of [TS]

00:38:51   set some goals and set some objectives [TS]

00:38:53   and some things we'd like to achieve in [TS]

00:38:55   the next year so that's always a good [TS]

00:38:57   thing to do so I've been here for that [TS]

00:39:00   and I leave Memphis in a couple of days [TS]

00:39:02   was that with but before before you zoom [TS]

00:39:04   on though the you two are are hanging [TS]

00:39:07   out as cofounders of relay yep together [TS]

00:39:10   how long are you guys spending together [TS]

00:39:12   a week that's good I think that's a good [TS]

00:39:15   amount of time so that that you were [TS]

00:39:17   around [TS]

00:39:17   but it doesn't feel like you have to [TS]

00:39:18   rush everything together and I would [TS]

00:39:22   suspect that that's also the thick [TS]

00:39:23   that's a good amount of time that you [TS]

00:39:25   can rehash or like revisit thoughts a [TS]

00:39:29   few times and bounce them off of off of [TS]

00:39:31   each other yeah because like I think [TS]

00:39:33   like I think it's really interesting [TS]

00:39:36   that you guys do this like I I know [TS]

00:39:40   people who are who are essentially the [TS]

00:39:42   remote cofounders of various things but [TS]

00:39:45   I know very very few people who do the [TS]

00:39:48   we're going to be intentionally together [TS]

00:39:51   as cofounders on a regular basis thing [TS]

00:39:54   and I think that's such a that's such a [TS]

00:39:56   great idea because it's so important [TS]

00:39:58   yeah it really really is it really [TS]

00:40:03   matters to be in person to discuss [TS]

00:40:06   things like this and especially when you [TS]

00:40:08   own a company together yeah like it's so [TS]

00:40:10   easy for us to work remotely right like [TS]

00:40:12   it works perfectly like our business is [TS]

00:40:15   structured and set up to actually be [TS]

00:40:17   more effective because it's remote but [TS]

00:40:19   for us not to get together with the [TS]

00:40:22   explicit idea of talking about the [TS]

00:40:24   company and thinking about it and being [TS]

00:40:26   like that's that seems like a really [TS]

00:40:29   just obvious thing and like to not do [TS]

00:40:32   that seems like it would be a real [TS]

00:40:33   mistake like we see each other a lot [TS]

00:40:35   every year but it's in other [TS]

00:40:38   circumstances there is a nothing [TS]

00:40:39   happening so an idea may pop up or [TS]

00:40:42   whatever but in this time like I'm here [TS]

00:40:44   I'm staying in Stephens house with his [TS]

00:40:46   family who we're spending unlike with [TS]

00:40:49   the best of friends right so like it's [TS]

00:40:51   also nice to do that but whilst we're [TS]

00:40:53   also at the zoo together I can mention a [TS]

00:40:57   thing and it's like oh yeah that's a [TS]

00:40:58   really good idea we'll talk about that [TS]

00:41:00   and then we'll come back to it later on [TS]

00:41:02   because ideas you know if you work on [TS]

00:41:05   anything no matter whether it's just [TS]

00:41:08   your job or a side project or whatever [TS]

00:41:10   ideas if they happen all the time [TS]

00:41:14   of a thing like oh I've cracked it well [TS]

00:41:16   I'll have this great idea and being in [TS]

00:41:18   the same physical location as the person [TS]

00:41:21   that should hear those ideas is very [TS]

00:41:23   valuable very whoo [TS]

00:41:26   now I think I think it's great that you [TS]

00:41:28   do it and I just I wanted to focus on it [TS]

00:41:30   for a moment because I feel like you [TS]

00:41:33   know when you and I meet up for lunch [TS]

00:41:34   on occasion you you will often make [TS]

00:41:37   reference to like oh I was thinking [TS]

00:41:39   about this thing like when when we were [TS]

00:41:41   together as co-founders in Memphis like [TS]

00:41:44   you and Steven were and it's it's it's [TS]

00:41:46   clearly a time that is that has like a [TS]

00:41:53   value that is much greater than just the [TS]

00:41:56   the raw days that you're together yeah [TS]

00:41:59   and I think like it's it is working [TS]

00:42:01   remotely it is fantastic for the [TS]

00:42:04   day-to-day but the impression that I get [TS]

00:42:07   is is like a lot of the a lot of the [TS]

00:42:11   sort of big picture vision for what you [TS]

00:42:12   want for relay and for your company [TS]

00:42:15   comes out of this time oh yeah oh it [TS]

00:42:18   really does it really really does I mean [TS]

00:42:20   and also we we launched a redesign of [TS]

00:42:22   our website and that was really useful [TS]

00:42:24   for us to be in the same place when we [TS]

00:42:26   did that uh yes the new the new relay [TS]

00:42:29   website it looks gorgeous [TS]

00:42:30   yeah it's really good looking it's very [TS]

00:42:32   good looking they had nothing to do with [TS]

00:42:33   me did you not did you not hand draw all [TS]

00:42:38   of the no pages know where the website [TS]

00:42:40   nope nope didn't do that wasn't none of [TS]

00:42:43   it was my idea but I loved it [TS]

00:42:45   it was fantastic it was it's all it was [TS]

00:42:49   really well done and I think it [TS]

00:42:50   represents our company better than the [TS]

00:42:53   previous web site did I think it looks [TS]

00:42:55   really great and it was it was really [TS]

00:42:56   fun and scary to we'll be in the same [TS]

00:43:00   place whilst that was happening and then [TS]

00:43:02   like who's working out all the fires it [TS]

00:43:04   was good me but that was like doing that [TS]

00:43:06   in the same place is way better than it [TS]

00:43:08   happening which would have happened when [TS]

00:43:09   I was sleeping in London it would have [TS]

00:43:12   yeah and then as well as that like I've [TS]

00:43:14   liked doing the show like I'm recording [TS]

00:43:16   a Stephan studio for a few days like I'm [TS]

00:43:18   doing all of my regular work and we're [TS]

00:43:19   together and it's it's it's been very [TS]

00:43:21   valuable like we do it every year and [TS]

00:43:23   we'll continue to like it said it makes [TS]

00:43:26   so much sense it makes so much sense [TS]

00:43:28   so you're in Stephens studio right now [TS]

00:43:29   are you surrounded by Mac's all kinds [TS]

00:43:32   behind me decades ago is shelving full [TS]

00:43:36   of old computers like just [TS]

00:43:39   big shelving unit lots and lots of [TS]

00:43:42   things on it like I can look at old iPod [TS]

00:43:45   Touches and old Macintosh's and they're [TS]

00:43:48   everywhere [TS]

00:43:49   III can't imagine that any listeners are [TS]

00:43:51   unaware but in case they aren't like [TS]

00:43:53   Stephen Hackett your co-founder must [TS]

00:43:55   have one of the largest private [TS]

00:43:58   collections of Apple equipment in the [TS]

00:44:01   world like there has to be true I think [TS]

00:44:03   in the condition that he has them yes I [TS]

00:44:06   mean to the point that he is literally [TS]

00:44:08   donated large sections of his [TS]

00:44:11   collections to museums like the Henry [TS]

00:44:14   Ford Museum [TS]

00:44:15   so the Henry Ford Museum has one of [TS]

00:44:16   those little plaques that says oh oh [TS]

00:44:18   this this this historical Mac was [TS]

00:44:21   donated by Stephen Hackett like it had [TS]

00:44:23   like you see those plaques and museums [TS]

00:44:25   well I think it will do eventually I [TS]

00:44:26   think that they're still preparing them [TS]

00:44:28   and it was every color of the iMac g3 [TS]

00:44:31   Stephen had an incredible project where [TS]

00:44:34   he put them all together and then at the [TS]

00:44:36   end of it donated them today he has [TS]

00:44:41   quite a collection it is it is really [TS]

00:44:44   crazy listeners if you if you haven't [TS]

00:44:47   seen it we'll put it in the show notes [TS]

00:44:48   but Stephen Hackett's YouTube channel [TS]

00:44:49   has has a bunch of videos where he's [TS]

00:44:52   showing off various portions of his [TS]

00:44:54   collection and it is it is impressive to [TS]

00:44:57   see and it must have been I can't [TS]

00:45:00   imagine how much effort had to go into [TS]

00:45:02   getting to getting all of the different [TS]

00:45:03   pieces that he has but because he has so [TS]

00:45:06   many he can do very fun videos sometimes [TS]

00:45:09   like when Apple released that predict [TS]

00:45:11   ulis book of all the things they made [TS]

00:45:13   like I love that he made a video of the [TS]

00:45:16   physical objects with the pages yeah the [TS]

00:45:18   book it's like how many people in the [TS]

00:45:20   world could match them up no bones [TS]

00:45:22   nobody right who has the stuff well he [TS]

00:45:24   does like including a selection of iPod [TS]

00:45:27   socks like he has all of that in a very [TS]

00:45:31   interesting setting to record chosen [TS]

00:45:34   yeah so as I just want to visualize [TS]

00:45:37   where you are so you're you're [TS]

00:45:38   surrounded by all the max I'm in it I'm [TS]

00:45:41   in a room in Memphis Tennessee [TS]

00:45:43   surrounded by computers done mostly [TS]

00:45:45   older than me maybe not mostly I'm older [TS]

00:45:51   than I think I am some [TS]

00:45:53   me no mm-hmm but as well as that race [TS]

00:45:57   when I was in New York I was really kind [TS]

00:45:59   of following the great Asian model like [TS]

00:46:01   I was doing all of my regular work just [TS]

00:46:04   in another location land it was great [TS]

00:46:08   because I felt I had this really strange [TS]

00:46:11   feeling of like I live in New York now [TS]

00:46:14   like a couple of days in it was just [TS]

00:46:17   this really weird feeling of I have [TS]

00:46:19   taken my life and put it here mm-hmm [TS]

00:46:23   Plus New York is a great place to do [TS]

00:46:26   this type of thing I know I mentioned it [TS]

00:46:28   before but I'm gonna mention again that [TS]

00:46:30   I really do think obviously great [TS]

00:46:33   industries does not have a co-founder [TS]

00:46:35   right so I don't I don't go someplace [TS]

00:46:36   with a a non-existent co-founder but I [TS]

00:46:38   really do I do think that a change of [TS]

00:46:43   location is an important part of doing a [TS]

00:46:46   trip like this where you feel like [TS]

00:46:48   you're going to have a dedicated work [TS]

00:46:50   time like I really think that the [TS]

00:46:52   location change matters and that's why I [TS]

00:46:55   used to just go to different hotels in [TS]

00:46:57   the same city and now sometimes I go to [TS]

00:46:59   Amsterdam or I go to other locations if [TS]

00:47:01   I can if I can make it happen and that [TS]

00:47:05   thing that you touched on that this sort [TS]

00:47:06   of almost tricking your brain into [TS]

00:47:10   creating this illusion like you just [TS]

00:47:12   exist in this other place I really think [TS]

00:47:14   that it is important that that feeling [TS]

00:47:17   of existing somewhere else that that I [TS]

00:47:20   think doing your regular work really [TS]

00:47:22   helps bring about it kind of opens you [TS]

00:47:24   up to thinking about things in a little [TS]

00:47:26   bit of a in a little bit of a different [TS]

00:47:28   way like it's interesting to hear that [TS]

00:47:30   you had that that feeling of like oh I I [TS]

00:47:33   exist in New York now and that was [TS]

00:47:35   definitely a thing like over the summer [TS]

00:47:37   doing a whole bunch of traveling like I [TS]

00:47:39   had that a bunch of times like a very [TS]

00:47:41   particular but what I'm doing now this [TS]

00:47:43   is just my life like it feels almost a [TS]

00:47:46   bit like you're a different person which [TS]

00:47:48   lets you look at problems in different [TS]

00:47:51   ways or sometimes think of solutions [TS]

00:47:54   that wouldn't have occurred to you in in [TS]

00:47:56   the normal day-to-day routine of your [TS]

00:47:58   life yeah I mean I know that you have I [TS]

00:48:01   think mostly established Amsterdam is [TS]

00:48:03   like your place right where you go for [TS]

00:48:05   this stuff [TS]

00:48:06   yeah am sir damn is really good it's [TS]

00:48:09   interesting because Amsterdam is really [TS]

00:48:10   good it for me it has a bunch of reasons [TS]

00:48:14   why it works really well but I am also [TS]

00:48:18   aware that that has also become a little [TS]

00:48:21   a little bit of a downside like I almost [TS]

00:48:22   know it too well at this point and so I [TS]

00:48:25   feel like I have a little bit less of [TS]

00:48:27   the novelty experience than previously [TS]

00:48:30   but it is it is the place that that I [TS]

00:48:32   have gone the most to think about stuff [TS]

00:48:35   long term or trying to reboot my working [TS]

00:48:39   process cuz I think that New York really [TS]

00:48:41   works for me as this place because [TS]

00:48:45   everything is super accessible on foot a [TS]

00:48:49   lot of it right like you can just you [TS]

00:48:50   know I stayed in Times Square for the [TS]

00:48:53   week and being there so cool I can just [TS]

00:48:56   walk down to the coffee shop I can go [TS]

00:48:58   get some lunch I can go get some [TS]

00:49:00   groceries and also I have a lot of [TS]

00:49:02   friends that live in New York as well so [TS]

00:49:04   who all of my evenings I had stuff to do [TS]

00:49:08   like I wasn't just being like a recluse [TS]

00:49:09   cuz that doesn't that wouldn't work for [TS]

00:49:10   me to be on my own for a week of course [TS]

00:49:12   so I had lots of lunches and dinners and [TS]

00:49:14   I'm going back to New York and I'm gonna [TS]

00:49:16   be there for like another ten days [TS]

00:49:17   before this thing is done and I have [TS]

00:49:21   loads more planned right loads of people [TS]

00:49:23   to go and meet loads of companies to go [TS]

00:49:25   and visit like it's it's a good place [TS]

00:49:27   for me too because I can take the time [TS]

00:49:29   that I need to do what I want to do but [TS]

00:49:31   then also still actually interact with [TS]

00:49:33   other humans on a frequent basis which I [TS]

00:49:36   if I am away without a dinner I need [TS]

00:49:40   like I need to be able to see people [TS]

00:49:41   like just being on my own for multiple [TS]

00:49:43   days at a time seeing nobody that I know [TS]

00:49:46   would have a not-so-great effect on me [TS]

00:49:48   like I can do a couple of days and it's [TS]

00:49:50   great and it's useful but just having a [TS]

00:49:52   dinner or a lunch every day or two with [TS]

00:49:55   somebody is it's just were useful for me [TS]

00:49:57   I mean yeah New York is it it's it's an [TS]

00:49:59   absolutely fantastic place for that like [TS]

00:50:02   the convenience of it is is just perfect [TS]

00:50:05   and if you know a whole bunch of people [TS]

00:50:06   in New York like that makes it that [TS]

00:50:08   makes it even that makes it even better [TS]

00:50:09   so I'm glad that you're I'm glad that [TS]

00:50:12   you're enjoying your curly day yeah you [TS]

00:50:14   said it in New York you're finding it [TS]

00:50:16   productive uh-huh you're being a very [TS]

00:50:18   busy boy in you yeah [TS]

00:50:20   are you Rd are you having are you having [TS]

00:50:22   any time for your regular work or you [TS]

00:50:23   just you just visiting people and taking [TS]

00:50:25   meetings um yeah I've been able to do [TS]

00:50:29   all of my regular work which is good and [TS]

00:50:31   I've been doing some thinking about my [TS]

00:50:34   fictional project ooh [TS]

00:50:36   and I have a much better sense of what [TS]

00:50:39   that will be now but what I also know is [TS]

00:50:42   if I'm gonna do what I want to do is [TS]

00:50:44   gonna take me a really long time are you [TS]

00:50:47   gonna write a novel no I'm okay like a [TS]

00:50:50   lot of people have been suggesting and [TS]

00:50:52   asking more about this and like all all [TS]

00:50:54   I will want to say right now because it [TS]

00:50:56   may never happen is that it will be an [TS]

00:50:59   audio-based thing right because I want [TS]

00:51:01   to apply my skills in a different area [TS]

00:51:03   like I couldn't write a novel that's not [TS]

00:51:06   something I could do right like that's [TS]

00:51:08   that's just nowhere near my skill set [TS]

00:51:11   and it's not a skill set that I am [TS]

00:51:13   really interested in taking on right now [TS]

00:51:17   because I feel like I can apply the [TS]

00:51:19   skills that I have to something else [TS]

00:51:22   right like I can I can go ahead and make [TS]

00:51:25   some fiction and and I will say a lot of [TS]

00:51:27   people have guessed exactly what I want [TS]

00:51:29   to do not a novel though I'm surprised [TS]

00:51:33   not a novel such an avid reader as [TS]

00:51:35   yourself I wouldn't do that I still have [TS]

00:51:43   so much travel to do this year as well [TS]

00:51:45   which I'm excited about [TS]

00:51:47   well you said you said you still have [TS]

00:51:49   you're going to Chicago in October I'm [TS]

00:51:52   going to Chicago in October [TS]

00:51:53   Borana I'm doing two live shows I'm [TS]

00:51:57   doing a live pen addict and a live [TS]

00:51:59   connected and I'm going to a conference [TS]

00:52:01   called release notes and then I'm gonna [TS]

00:52:04   be a pod con in December I am a featured [TS]

00:52:07   guest [TS]

00:52:07   oh look at you very nice my face on the [TS]

00:52:11   page there I am oh all these fancy [TS]

00:52:13   people face on the page that makes it [TS]

00:52:17   official and I'm there I'm gonna be [TS]

00:52:18   there I don't know what I'm gonna be [TS]

00:52:19   doing yet but that is something that I'm [TS]

00:52:21   really excited about it is the podcast [TS]

00:52:23   version of VidCon I've wanted something [TS]

00:52:26   like this for a long time and I am [TS]

00:52:28   excited about it so I'm gonna be there [TS]

00:52:29   and I'm gonna be doing something I'm [TS]

00:52:31   hoping to do some panels and stuff [TS]

00:52:33   but like all of that's gonna be worked [TS]

00:52:34   out later and I'm gonna be in Romania [TS]

00:52:37   for Christmas which is the first time [TS]

00:52:38   that's happening it's my first Christmas [TS]

00:52:40   outside of England that's gonna be [TS]

00:52:41   interesting [TS]

00:52:42   you can't a lot of travel going on Mike [TS]

00:52:44   yeah that may also be one more trip in [TS]

00:52:46   here yet but it's not decided yet [TS]

00:52:48   man if you got if you're gonna do all [TS]

00:52:50   the travel successfully you really have [TS]

00:52:52   to sort out your system I hate you I'm [TS]

00:52:56   just saying with the broken a system [TS]

00:53:00   like you've got yeah yeah I don't think [TS]

00:53:03   you got to work on that before you can [TS]

00:53:04   do this I don't want to talk to you [TS]

00:53:06   anymore [TS]

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00:54:42   cook are you there Mike [TS]

00:54:45   no comment oh yeah Mike doesn't want to [TS]

00:54:49   talk to me you're having a timeout right [TS]

00:54:50   now [TS]

00:54:51   this is Oh No okay I'm having a timeout [TS]

00:54:54   mm-hmm because you can't you can't give [TS]

00:54:57   me the silent treatment to effectively [TS]

00:54:58   on the podcast exactly this doesn't [TS]

00:55:00   really I would like to give you the [TS]

00:55:01   silent treatment right now but it's it's [TS]

00:55:03   a really difficult thing to do yeah and [TS]

00:55:05   even even if you did people listening in [TS]

00:55:07   overcast smart speed would just make [TS]

00:55:09   your silent treatment totally [TS]

00:55:11   ineffective anyway exactly I would just [TS]

00:55:12   make it a treatment which is notice on [TS]

00:55:14   until we know silence at all uh-huh but [TS]

00:55:16   I know I know how to bring you back I [TS]

00:55:18   know how to bring you back money duty [TS]

00:55:20   yeah I know how to get out of the [TS]

00:55:22   timeout mm-hmm which is to tell you a [TS]

00:55:24   thing happened in the gray household but [TS]

00:55:27   I was not expecting to happen yet and [TS]

00:55:30   for a while but there is now in the [TS]

00:55:34   house a TV wait was there a TV before no [TS]

00:55:41   there was a computer before Wow now it [TS]

00:55:43   is a TV [TS]

00:55:44   okay yeah there was an iMac that was a [TS]

00:55:46   TV uh-huh so now there's like it like a [TS]

00:55:49   TV like a grown-up TV like a really like [TS]

00:55:52   it with one of those with one of those [TS]

00:55:54   stupid grown-up TV remotes that like [TS]

00:55:56   your parents have with a thousand [TS]

00:55:57   buttons on them yeah and that I only [TS]

00:55:59   care about literally one of those [TS]

00:56:01   buttons which is the button to switch [TS]

00:56:02   the inputs and to switch the input to [TS]

00:56:07   the Nintendo switch which is connected [TS]

00:56:09   that TV you're out your time out I'm [TS]

00:56:14   back baby [TS]

00:56:15   you got a Nintendo switch yeah I got a [TS]

00:56:18   Nintendo switch I have so many questions [TS]

00:56:21   and I don't even know where to begin [TS]

00:56:23   why I guess to start like what made you [TS]

00:56:26   what happened I'd always assumed that I [TS]

00:56:29   was gonna get a TV if and when we move [TS]

00:56:32   apartments what did you move no no we [TS]

00:56:36   did we didn't move we didn't move but [TS]

00:56:39   but you know how you know how like your [TS]

00:56:42   paranoia and conspiracy is a thing that [TS]

00:56:45   feeds on itself I'm aware of density I'm [TS]

00:56:47   like I am variance right now you have [TS]

00:56:50   that I can't point any fingers but I'll [TS]

00:56:53   just say that that someone in the house [TS]

00:56:55   got it in her head [TS]

00:56:58   look I'm not specifying okay sorry I [TS]

00:57:02   shouldn't I shouldn't try and press on [TS]

00:57:03   this yeah don't press on it but someone [TS]

00:57:05   got it into her head that the iMac that [TS]

00:57:09   we watched TV on was too small and this [TS]

00:57:13   is an idea that starts to feed on itself [TS]

00:57:14   because then you watch movies and you [TS]

00:57:16   think this would be better if it was [TS]

00:57:18   bigger yeah right which reinforces the [TS]

00:57:20   idea that the iMac our 21 inch iMac is [TS]

00:57:25   not 20 I don't wish Island TV on a 21 [TS]

00:57:30   inch screen for how long it's not the [TS]

00:57:32   but here's the thing the apartment is [TS]

00:57:33   very small it's the screen is not that [TS]

00:57:35   far away right I live in London I [TS]

00:57:36   understand the size of apartments a 21 [TS]

00:57:39   inch screen is comp is comedic and live [TS]

00:57:41   on the rim you have like a manor house [TS]

00:57:43   compared to what I live in probably so [TS]

00:57:46   yeah anyway it was a little small a lot [TS]

00:57:50   small yeah it had it had been fine for I [TS]

00:57:54   don't know I think we've been living [TS]

00:57:55   here two and a half years now but I [TS]

00:57:57   could see that this was an idea that was [TS]

00:58:00   it was self-sustaining self-feeding like [TS]

00:58:04   a nuclear reaction gone out of control [TS]

00:58:07   yep and so in order and I ended up [TS]

00:58:12   deciding I'm gonna roll with this and we [TS]

00:58:16   got a TV screen and I figured well the [TS]

00:58:22   TV exists so that we could connect an [TS]

00:58:24   Apple TV to it and I thought well as [TS]

00:58:27   soon as there's a TV in the house now [TS]

00:58:29   there's a reason for a Nintendo switch [TS]

00:58:30   to be in the house okay so I wanna sleep [TS]

00:58:34   out that but I need to go back to the TV [TS]

00:58:36   thing again because there's a way to [TS]

00:58:37   prove that the iMac was too small and [TS]

00:58:40   could have been bigger by asking you [TS]

00:58:41   what is the size of the television that [TS]

00:58:43   you bought I think it's 50 inches yeah [TS]

00:58:46   so there you go great point made it was [TS]

00:58:51   clearly too small if you've been able to [TS]

00:58:53   fit a 50 inch screen into the place that [TS]

00:58:55   was occupied by the iMac and your eyes [TS]

00:58:58   have not burned out of your skull right [TS]

00:59:00   you obviously had the space it does feel [TS]

00:59:03   very big compared to the distance dollar [TS]

00:59:05   - great [TS]

00:59:09   but yeah it's a it's a it's a big screen [TS]

00:59:12   it's a big screen I mean I went with a [TS]

00:59:14   forty to fifty you really you really [TS]

00:59:17   pushed it yeah I had to do something to [TS]

00:59:20   go sheeting down from larger sizes and I [TS]

00:59:23   will say that I was I was victorious in [TS]

00:59:25   that larger sizes would simply not fit [TS]

00:59:27   in the space yeah that was required this [TS]

00:59:32   kind of got out of control [TS]

00:59:33   over here a little bit I think yeah it [TS]

00:59:36   was it was a whole thing [TS]

00:59:37   but yeah so now it's weird it's like how [TS]

00:59:39   there's something about having a TV that [TS]

00:59:41   feels weirdly like oh very grown-up just [TS]

00:59:44   like is this big is this big object like [TS]

00:59:46   I'm not just using discarded old [TS]

00:59:48   computers to watch some fun now I can [TS]

00:59:50   out now I have like a proper proper TV [TS]

00:59:52   with HDMI inputs that you have to flick [TS]

00:59:55   around on the little button to switch [TS]

00:59:56   between so yeah it's in my house so [TS]

00:59:56   between so yeah it's in my house so [TS]

01:00:00   you bought a Nintendo switch why did you [TS]

01:00:03   choose the switch over any of a games [TS]

01:00:05   console this is this is a thing that I'm [TS]

01:00:09   obviously I'm obviously gamer like we [TS]

01:00:11   talk about games on the show a bunch [TS]

01:00:14   like I like video games you're a [TS]

01:00:15   hardcore gamer a very hardcore Mac gamer [TS]

01:00:19   yep and you having a good laugh over [TS]

01:00:30   there my very funny mm-hm [TS]

01:00:33   yeah people can look at my my streaming [TS]

01:00:35   YouTube channels to see my amazing [TS]

01:00:37   gaming skills other people in my house [TS]

01:00:41   are not necessarily the same level of [TS]

01:00:43   gamer than I am like my wife for example [TS]

01:00:46   just to pick a random person who lives [TS]

01:00:48   in the house as well [TS]

01:00:49   she's not really a gamer like every once [TS]

01:00:51   in a while she'll get into something for [TS]

01:00:53   a little bit but it's always very [TS]

01:00:54   temporary but we've always had this idea [TS]

01:00:56   that it would be it would be fun to have [TS]

01:01:00   a gaming system that you can play with [TS]

01:01:02   somebody else and I think on that list [TS]

01:01:04   like Nintendo just has always been hot [TS]

01:01:06   like the thing that is clearly the best [TS]

01:01:08   for people and the switch is the [TS]

01:01:10   ultimate alright like the Nintendo [TS]

01:01:12   switch it's the ultimate ouble machine [TS]

01:01:14   like useful from the ground up yeah we [TS]

01:01:17   had it as an idea to get a Wii years and [TS]

01:01:19   years ago and then it eventually became [TS]

01:01:21   the case we're like well we're not gonna [TS]

01:01:22   get a Wii because it's so old and then [TS]

01:01:25   the Wii you seem like a very [TS]

01:01:26   unsuccessful platform and then there's [TS]

01:01:29   just like okay well when the switch came [TS]

01:01:30   out I told you at the time I wasn't [TS]

01:01:32   gonna get it straight away [TS]

01:01:33   but I knew like at some point I'm going [TS]

01:01:36   to have a switch and now that point has [TS]

01:01:39   come and it's very fun it's interesting [TS]

01:01:43   it's interesting to play and the thing [TS]

01:01:45   that I feel like is is a big victory is [TS]

01:01:48   I was trying very slowly to introduce my [TS]

01:01:52   wife to Mario Kart and you forget how [TS]

01:01:56   someone who's very used to playing games [TS]

01:01:58   like how much has to be learned with [TS]

01:02:00   handling a controller if this is not a [TS]

01:02:01   thing that you've ever done like that [TS]

01:02:03   let that level of indirection for [TS]

01:02:06   someone to learn is a real thing like it [TS]

01:02:08   is a real skill [TS]

01:02:10   that is very easy to forget and it is a [TS]

01:02:14   skill that gets increasingly difficult [TS]

01:02:15   the older you get ya kids pick it up [TS]

01:02:18   incredibly quickly yeah I think that [TS]

01:02:20   there there is like an event horizon [TS]

01:02:22   over which you probably can't really [TS]

01:02:25   learn that skill in in the same way so I [TS]

01:02:28   wasn't a hundred percent sure if this [TS]

01:02:29   was going to really work with with my [TS]

01:02:31   wife's I was trying to introduce her [TS]

01:02:33   very slowly to Mario Kart and select oh [TS]

01:02:35   yes look let's let's play on the fifty [TS]

01:02:37   CC speed like here we go to b'doop like [TS]

01:02:39   driving around driving around the karts [TS]

01:02:42   I wasn't really sure if it was going to [TS]

01:02:43   stick but the other night I was doing [TS]

01:02:45   some work in my office and when I came [TS]

01:02:49   out I saw a very intense wife right with [TS]

01:02:53   with headphones on like connected to the [TS]

01:02:56   TV very intense look on her face driving [TS]

01:03:00   around on Mario Kart and I thought here [TS]

01:03:02   we go you picked it up without me [TS]

01:03:04   suggesting that this is a thing that we [TS]

01:03:06   could do together so I feel like that's [TS]

01:03:08   a victory yeah you did so you did it [TS]

01:03:10   yeah what other games have you been [TS]

01:03:12   playing I just all I have is Zelda and I [TS]

01:03:15   have Mario Kart those those the two that [TS]

01:03:18   I got with it played yeah I think that I [TS]

01:03:26   think the same thing that I think of all [TS]

01:03:27   the Zelda games which is I want to like [TS]

01:03:29   them a lot more than I do but in Zelda I [TS]

01:03:32   have a psychological problem with Zelda [TS]

01:03:33   okay my psychological problem was Elda [TS]

01:03:36   is hey NPC I'm not your goddamn errand [TS]

01:03:40   boy yeah but you don't have to do the [TS]

01:03:42   errands in this game what everybody [TS]

01:03:44   everybody's telling you like oh you got [TS]

01:03:46   to go over here and bring me the thing [TS]

01:03:47   and it's like oh I'm gonna give you the [TS]

01:03:49   sword of Destiny but I need to define me [TS]

01:03:51   for chickens first and it's like behind [TS]

01:03:53   your own goddamn chicken I'm like okay [TS]

01:03:55   okay okay okay I can help you with this [TS]

01:03:58   but you wanna make these villagers but [TS]

01:04:00   you've all supposed to be working [TS]

01:04:01   together that you are ganondorf's gonna [TS]

01:04:03   destroy all of Hyrule just give me the [TS]

01:04:06   sword you are approaching this game with [TS]

01:04:08   too much Zelda baggage oh yeah ignore it [TS]

01:04:11   you can do whatever you want the entire [TS]

01:04:14   world is open just go [TS]

01:04:18   you are you are a lot like the issue [TS]

01:04:22   that you are having is mostly [TS]

01:04:23   self-imposed like there are missions for [TS]

01:04:26   you to go on but you can effectively [TS]

01:04:28   just walk into them like just just go [TS]

01:04:31   the game is open for you to explore if [TS]

01:04:34   you want to right now from run into [TS]

01:04:36   hyrule castle you can actually do it you [TS]

01:04:39   can run to the final boss if you want to [TS]

01:04:41   like you can start the interaction you [TS]

01:04:43   will die immediately [TS]

01:04:45   yeah but I feel like that this is a [TS]

01:04:48   that's a false choice now this because I [TS]

01:04:50   know people that have like very early in [TS]

01:04:52   the game run into the castle and picked [TS]

01:04:55   up a sword that they shouldn't have and [TS]

01:04:56   teleport out again like you can do that [TS]

01:04:59   in this game it's what makes it probably [TS]

01:05:02   the best video game that I've ever [TS]

01:05:04   played like it is completely open for [TS]

01:05:06   you to play in just just stop talking to [TS]

01:05:09   people and you're like and you will [TS]

01:05:11   enjoy this getting more cuz you really [TS]

01:05:13   don't I I create no side quests and then [TS]

01:05:17   just when they completed the main story [TS]

01:05:18   yeah maybe I should try that because I [TS]

01:05:21   do feel it's like how all these people [TS]

01:05:22   to talk to you and like words words [TS]

01:05:25   words like you've all got your little [TS]

01:05:27   problems and you all want me to fix them [TS]

01:05:29   that they split up the quests into like [TS]

01:05:31   main quests and stuff just follow the [TS]

01:05:32   main ones line in the in your objectives [TS]

01:05:35   and yeah of course you have to talk to [TS]

01:05:38   people to advance the story but it's [TS]

01:05:40   less of like I need this sword can you [TS]

01:05:43   find it or like I've lost my chickens [TS]

01:05:45   can you wrap this knots it's not really [TS]

01:05:47   stuff like that [TS]

01:05:48   and the that the things that you do they [TS]

01:05:50   don't feel so aaron d you actually do [TS]

01:05:52   feel like you are completing a big grand [TS]

01:05:54   story which includes it already feels [TS]

01:05:57   like a lot of Aaron's like oh I want to [TS]

01:05:59   give you the magic thing but you need to [TS]

01:06:00   get the blue flame for me first [TS]

01:06:02   yeah the blue flame was been annoying [TS]

01:06:03   but I can help you with this but you [TS]

01:06:05   gotta get me see verse well just don't [TS]

01:06:09   even do it man just go for the big like [TS]

01:06:11   elephant like just run for it like you [TS]

01:06:14   can do it and just gonna die immediately [TS]

01:06:15   just gonna die immediately if you go go [TS]

01:06:18   for that go for the end that's the whole [TS]

01:06:19   that's all pointing I mean is that like [TS]

01:06:21   I know I understand this is the [TS]

01:06:22   structure of these games this is how [TS]

01:06:23   these things work but but I know this is [TS]

01:06:25   this is the kind of thing where it's [TS]

01:06:26   like I played them for a little while [TS]

01:06:27   and I find that my half-life half-life [TS]

01:06:30   patience runs dry very quickly yeah with [TS]

01:06:34   these kinds of games but things I have [TS]

01:06:35   been this guy which is why I have never [TS]

01:06:37   completed a Zelda game before this one [TS]

01:06:39   hmm [TS]

01:06:40   but I've played less of them so I have [TS]

01:06:42   less baggage I think that you may be [TS]

01:06:44   approaching this game with a Zelda [TS]

01:06:46   mindset which I think if you break you [TS]

01:06:49   will enjoy it more maybe I think I've [TS]

01:06:52   only completed one just the Gameboy one [TS]

01:06:54   but was all a dream [TS]

01:06:56   spoilers for Gameboy thank you it was [TS]

01:06:59   all a dream [TS]

01:07:00   just made me feel cheated it's the worst [TS]

01:07:02   story any story that ends with it was [TS]

01:07:06   all a dream [TS]

01:07:07   please look aside and there's a momento [TS]

01:07:09   maybe it was real all along like that if [TS]

01:07:11   you had a story that way you failed your [TS]

01:07:14   failure story right it's terrible I'll [TS]

01:07:16   give the other credit for being [TS]

01:07:17   beautiful it really is it's very fire [TS]

01:07:20   watching oh yeah yeah yeah yeah I agree [TS]

01:07:23   with that I guess like that the art the [TS]

01:07:25   art styles are very similar [TS]

01:07:26   Firewatch highly recommend for people if [TS]

01:07:28   they haven't played it I like I like [TS]

01:07:31   games to have a little story like that [TS]

01:07:33   like I came it's a little evening [TS]

01:07:35   adventure and then it's over it's not a [TS]

01:07:37   not a thousand years of running people's [TS]

01:07:38   errands like Zelda is but I think our [TS]

01:07:41   style is very similar every we think of [TS]

01:07:43   that it's good and it's just interesting [TS]

01:07:45   to see with the switch I think that like [TS]

01:07:47   Nintendo's signature move is our [TS]

01:07:51   equipment is underpowered but we're [TS]

01:07:54   using it very well like I feel like [TS]

01:07:56   that's always what Nintendo does and so [TS]

01:07:58   far I've been pretty impressed with the [TS]

01:08:00   way things look on both on Mario Kart [TS]

01:08:03   and on Zelda given the actual [TS]

01:08:04   specifications of the device that is [TS]

01:08:06   connected to the TV like it's it's [TS]

01:08:08   pretty impressive so I've been liking it [TS]

01:08:10   quite a lot but it's it's been 90% Mario [TS]

01:08:14   Kart 10% Zelda spam on timers although I [TS]

01:08:17   have some other game recommendations for [TS]

01:08:19   you those and things to be excited about [TS]

01:08:20   please please do you a sonic person uh [TS]

01:08:25   I'm happy to try some sonic have you [TS]

01:08:27   played any sonic in your life I played I [TS]

01:08:30   like vague vaguely when I was a kid I [TS]

01:08:32   played sonic so there is a game it's [TS]

01:08:33   just come out on a bunch of different [TS]

01:08:34   platforms but it came out like a couple [TS]

01:08:36   of days ago called sonic mania and sonic [TS]

01:08:40   mania was has been developed is the Sega [TS]

01:08:42   game as an official Sonic game [TS]

01:08:43   but the person who made site mania had [TS]

01:08:47   been making like Sonic fan games hmm [TS]

01:08:52   they were so good [TS]

01:08:53   Sega hired them and they were like make [TS]

01:08:55   the next Sonic that's that's what you [TS]

01:08:57   want to do when you're hiring a thing is [TS]

01:08:59   like find someone who's doing it [TS]

01:09:00   amazingly for free and hire them and the [TS]

01:09:02   sonic franchise has struggled really [TS]

01:09:04   badly over the years as Sega have [TS]

01:09:07   attempted and failed to modernize Sonic [TS]

01:09:09   rather than putting him in like 3d [TS]

01:09:11   worlds and stuff this is a old school [TS]

01:09:14   may as well have been on the Megadrive [TS]

01:09:16   looking sonic and it is a sublime it is [TS]

01:09:19   so good [TS]

01:09:21   and it's like 15 pounds it's fat it's [TS]

01:09:24   absolutely fantastic [TS]

01:09:25   I recommend that one yes the few games [TS]

01:09:27   coming out some point this year that I [TS]

01:09:29   think you'll be excited about have you [TS]

01:09:30   ever heard of stardew valley people have [TS]

01:09:35   recommended it to me [TS]

01:09:37   but I don't actually have any [TS]

01:09:39   familiarity with it it is a farming [TS]

01:09:44   simulator type game close to Animal [TS]

01:09:46   Crossing and it's in way in a way and [TS]

01:09:50   you I think that it is again you will [TS]

01:09:53   probably end up liking cuz you you know [TS]

01:09:55   you're just farming right like that's [TS]

01:09:57   kind of the idea but it's in this like [TS]

01:09:59   cool kind of retro art style and there [TS]

01:10:03   are like little missions and things that [TS]

01:10:04   you can complete as well as just tending [TS]

01:10:06   to your farm and growing the farm and [TS]

01:10:07   building the relationships with the [TS]

01:10:08   people in the town and it is a game that [TS]

01:10:11   has been incredibly popular on Steam and [TS]

01:10:13   it's coming to the switch at some point [TS]

01:10:15   this year that's one that I want I think [TS]

01:10:18   that you should keep on your radar [TS]

01:10:19   because I think that I think that you [TS]

01:10:21   would like that game knowing the type of [TS]

01:10:23   work games that you'd like this is like [TS]

01:10:25   a really popular work game booth so [TS]

01:10:29   that's one farming I don't know it [TS]

01:10:31   sounds boring Mike [TS]

01:10:32   that doesn't sound sound like that [TS]

01:10:34   sounds exciting is truckin no it doesn't [TS]

01:10:37   not even close and there's a Mario game [TS]

01:10:39   coming out called Mario Odyssey which [TS]

01:10:42   looks like it just looks so good and [TS]

01:10:45   people that have played it alike maybe [TS]

01:10:48   this is the game of the year and not [TS]

01:10:49   zelda like so that is mind-blowing to me [TS]

01:10:52   that there could be a game better than [TS]

01:10:54   zelda because i think [TS]

01:10:57   is it 3d Mario reading 3d Mario I know I [TS]

01:11:00   know I prefer to do Mario but 3d Mario [TS]

01:11:03   games can be good and this one looked [TS]

01:11:05   really weird in a great way I feel like [TS]

01:11:08   in my own my own gaming history where [TS]

01:11:10   Nintendo and I parted ways was with the [TS]

01:11:12   n64 and with 3d Mario I just I never [TS]

01:11:16   crossed that bridge effective change [TS]

01:11:18   yeah and it is also a thing genuinely in [TS]

01:11:22   the Zelda game that like I just find it [TS]

01:11:24   sort of like we were talking about [TS]

01:11:26   before that there's there is a real [TS]

01:11:28   skill to learning how to indirectly [TS]

01:11:30   control something in a video game using [TS]

01:11:32   a hand controller as opposed to iPad [TS]

01:11:34   games where you're just touching things [TS]

01:11:36   on the screen I think there is something [TS]

01:11:38   about the like separate camera control [TS]

01:11:41   versus character movement that I just I [TS]

01:11:45   never feel perfectly comfortable with it [TS]

01:11:48   and it is a thing that catches me out in [TS]

01:11:50   Zelda all the time as well is the like [TS]

01:11:52   oh I need to turn my guy and turn the [TS]

01:11:55   camera at the same time like I just I [TS]

01:11:57   find it weird and kind of I don't want [TS]

01:12:02   to say clunky but clunky is kind of what [TS]

01:12:04   I would I feel about it you know [TS]

01:12:06   whereas I much prefer like I wish there [TS]

01:12:09   was a button I could press words like I [TS]

01:12:10   just go into first person mode with [TS]

01:12:12   Zelda like why do I have to look at this [TS]

01:12:14   guy [TS]

01:12:14   I don't want to look at him let the [TS]

01:12:16   screen just be my eyes like it's doom or [TS]

01:12:19   quake like that that's what I want but I [TS]

01:12:21   so that's why I'm not super thrilled to [TS]

01:12:23   hear about a 3d Mario it's like I never [TS]

01:12:24   I never crossed that bridge in the n64 [TS]

01:12:27   and I we weren't we didn't get along we [TS]

01:12:30   weren't really friends Super Nintendo [TS]

01:12:32   that was that was the peak for me and [TS]

01:12:34   that's where I that's where that's where [TS]

01:12:35   I left Nintendo well I'll let you know [TS]

01:12:40   what I think of it when it comes out but [TS]

01:12:41   that that seems like it could be an [TS]

01:12:43   issue for you hmm [TS]

01:12:45   I think it could be I think it could be [TS]

01:12:47   Mike I'm pleased that you have one [TS]

01:12:48   though yeah [TS]

01:12:50   I mean honestly just from Mario Kart [TS]

01:12:52   it's worth it because Mario Kart is so [TS]

01:12:54   fun like it it really is but it I have [TS]

01:12:58   to say it is interesting because we were [TS]

01:13:00   talking about pricing models last time [TS]

01:13:02   about apps going subscription like or [TS]

01:13:05   doing pay upfront and it is a it is a [TS]

01:13:07   funny thing too [TS]

01:13:09   you have a gaming system back in my life [TS]

01:13:11   which I haven't had since the Super [TS]

01:13:12   Nintendo and to to see the prices that [TS]

01:13:19   are required for like real in-depth [TS]

01:13:23   video games that are not going to have [TS]

01:13:24   in-app purchase bullet inside of them [TS]

01:13:27   and it's like I remember as a kid like [TS]

01:13:30   video games felt really expensive and [TS]

01:13:32   the Nintendo switch does bring that back [TS]

01:13:34   to some extent it's like whole Boy [TS]

01:13:36   these games are expensive yeah but I [TS]

01:13:38   like I I really feel happy to support [TS]

01:13:44   that kind of stuff like I would much [TS]

01:13:45   rather pay a bunch for a game and not [TS]

01:13:48   feel like I'm being nickeled and dimed [TS]

01:13:50   and to death in the game and it's like [TS]

01:13:53   but if you if you want to make a game [TS]

01:13:55   company that is sustainable it's like [TS]

01:13:58   you're gonna need to pay way more than [TS]

01:14:01   you're used to on the iPad for these [TS]

01:14:03   games so I was like I don't I forget [TS]

01:14:05   exactly what the price of Mario was but [TS]

01:14:07   it was like woof [TS]

01:14:07   but I'm happy to do it it would have [TS]

01:14:09   been in probably around 40 pounds or [TS]

01:14:11   something [TS]

01:14:12   Thank You Sophia that's a little ticket [TS]

01:14:13   game right li qfp and you're paying a [TS]

01:14:15   big price but these are experiences that [TS]

01:14:17   won't exist otherwise and I think [TS]

01:14:19   they're worth it right like it exactly I [TS]

01:14:20   strongly believe in it yeah that's what [TS]

01:14:23   I mean to emphasize is like if you're if [TS]

01:14:26   you were used to [TS]

01:14:27   iPhone games like the Nintendo switch is [TS]

01:14:29   an expensive proposition but like one of [TS]

01:14:33   the reasons I like Nintendo is is that [TS]

01:14:35   they just they feel very worth it as a [TS]

01:14:37   company like they make interesting [TS]

01:14:38   things they make really fun things and I [TS]

01:14:42   think Mario Kart is just a great example [TS]

01:14:43   of that of like game that could be fun [TS]

01:14:46   with a bunch of people that can be [TS]

01:14:48   relatively approachable and fun for [TS]

01:14:50   total newbies so I am I am very happy to [TS]

01:14:54   give Nintendo my money when I have the [TS]

01:14:56   opportunity to and so now I have I've [TS]

01:14:58   done it with the switch talking about [TS]

01:15:00   things that you pay money for and get [TS]

01:15:02   really good value out of great oh look [TS]

01:15:06   at you look at you like so we only ever [TS]

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01:16:01   happen throughout August and September [TS]

01:16:02   and last year me and you and Jason snow [TS]

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01:16:26   happened I got I gotta say to just [TS]

01:16:28   interject here I was very dubious about [TS]

01:16:31   this proposition last year huh I don't [TS]

01:16:33   know if you remember all of the poking [TS]

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01:16:37   remember to go along with a seven-month [TS]

01:16:39   process it took picture you forgotten it [TS]

01:16:42   I don't think it would have left a big [TS]

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01:16:46   resistant and that was it ended up being [TS]

01:16:51   just a really fun experience and a very [TS]

01:16:53   different kind of thing to do and I I [TS]

01:16:55   really loved doing six gun showdown last [TS]

01:16:58   year like it was super fun and I have to [TS]

01:17:01   say the feedback that we got from the [TS]

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01:17:11   it was just a it was just a fun [TS]

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01:17:15   resistant but it worked out really well [TS]

01:17:17   in the end so this year it was way [TS]

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01:17:21   it again so that does the run-up to we [TS]

01:17:24   have done the same thing again but with [TS]

01:17:26   a different adventure yep we did another [TS]

01:17:28   text adventure [TS]

01:17:29   you mean Snell we recorded it together a [TS]

01:17:32   couple weeks ago you have been a busy [TS]

01:17:35   busy Mike [TS]

01:17:36   editing it all together you've sent me a [TS]

01:17:38   few drafts you have if I if I can say [TS]

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01:17:45   atmospheric sound effects is is a is the [TS]

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01:17:55   I went high concept with this one and I [TS]

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01:18:01   a text adventure called spooky Manor mmm [TS]

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01:20:34   boop I will be your parser we are going [TS]

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01:20:40   number 3 [TS]

01:20:45   [Music] [TS]

01:20:47   so my instinct right now is to unlock [TS]

01:20:51   the padlock and wrap the chain around my [TS]

01:20:52   fist computer is this something that you [TS]

01:20:55   would permit there's no way the [TS]

01:20:57   computers gonna let you do that I don't [TS]

01:20:58   understand computer is there something [TS]

01:21:00   you would permit okay you ride your bike [TS]

01:21:04   north over the rough cobblestone path [TS]

01:21:07   the bikes tires are horribly damaged as [TS]

01:21:10   you drive to the north so you look at [TS]

01:21:16   your tires and think to yourself oh dear [TS]

01:21:18   how am I going to get home now all right [TS]

01:21:22   smash doesn't the chain I'm sorry you [TS]

01:21:25   can't do that I mean I can you haven't [TS]

01:21:27   seen me with a chain I think you're [TS]

01:21:29   missing the difference between fantasy [TS]

01:21:30   role-playing game and a text adventure [TS]

01:21:32   text adventures have cruel unfeeling [TS]

01:21:34   parsers that just reject you when you [TS]

01:21:35   try interesting things like smashing a [TS]

01:21:37   pheasant on a table with a chain okay [TS]

01:21:41   exit crypt you go into the crypt it [TS]

01:21:44   smells of mold and decay but its sole [TS]

01:21:47   occupant appears perfectly preserved [TS]

01:21:50   look at occupant the body of a pale [TS]

01:21:53   young woman lies dead on a granite slab [TS]

01:21:56   around her neck is a front door key oh [TS]

01:22:00   no wait pull on Dante's Inferno in dirt [TS]

01:22:03   you pull on the copy of Dante's Inferno [TS]

01:22:06   a chute opens beneath you and you fall [TS]

01:22:09   down down down far far below why can you [TS]

01:22:15   know just wait I feel like I have [TS]

01:22:18   achieved exactly what I wanted to do [TS]

01:22:19   there is a monstrous wolf chained to the [TS]

01:22:22   wall she goes [TS]

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