Cortex 55: Go for the Big Elephant


  hello Mike hi still traveling yeah I'm [TS]

  in Memphis Tennessee right now I've been [TS]

  in New York I've been in DC I've been in [TS]

  Virginia and I still have New York left [TS]

  again oh you are you are in the midst of [TS]

  travel I am on like a serious CGP grey [TS]

  Vision Quest right now I think Vision [TS]

  Quest I like this this is how I imagined [TS]

  there they all are right you just went [TS]

  when you go on your car occasions that [TS]

  you're just going out to have the [TS]

  Epiphany that will then carry you [TS]

  through the next five years which I [TS]

  assume is what happens every time I like [TS]

  this I like this the most recent travel [TS]

  if any travel I have ever done was a [TS]

  Vision Quest this most recent trip was a [TS]

  Vision Quest so I like it I'm taking [TS]

  this on board but what I'm I want to [TS]

  know what I'm slightly concerned about [TS]

  is you've been traveling all over the [TS]

  place yep two and a half weeks two and a [TS]

  half weeks [TS]

  what's the laundry situation like Mike [TS]

  laundry has been done twice oh okay it's [TS]

  the situation before i divulged this the [TS]

  circumstances under which I have [TS]

  received clean clothes I just want to [TS]

  touch upon the we have it more than a [TS]

  handful of listeners to this show do you [TS]

  want to say how many listeners we have [TS]

  for this show Mike no we have lost and [TS]

  we get lots of feedback for this show [TS]

  like I'm really lots of feedback and [TS]

  it's great and I love that our listeners [TS]

  respect the methods in which the [TS]

  feedback should be sent which is loop [TS]

  Reddit and Twitter like I love that and [TS]

  thank you to everybody that does that [TS]

  you make our life so much easier by not [TS]

  sending us email I also feel like we [TS]

  have a real solutions oriented audience [TS]

  oh yeah people are very good at sending [TS]

  suggestions for great to use OneNote [TS]

  that's the luau man that I love the [TS]

  reddit last time people were explaining [TS]

  it to you over again Bravo to anybody [TS]

  that did that like I love you so much [TS]

  that was so funny but I've received more [TS]

  feedback about little doing laundry then [TS]

  one I ever expected in my life and two [TS]

  more than maybe most things we've ever [TS]

  gotten about this show I have learned [TS]

  more about doing laundry in New York [TS]

  City and I think most people that live [TS]

  in New York know like so [TS]

  anyways like laundromats that I can use [TS]

  laundromats that will do this stuff for [TS]

  me there are apparently entire services [TS]

  created with apps in New York to deal [TS]

  with the laundry situation of people in [TS]

  New York it feels like New York has a [TS]

  particular laundry problem that I [TS]

  haven't worked out yet that like there [TS]

  uh there needs to be so many solutions [TS]

  but there are like apps that you can use [TS]

  and then will come and pick it up and [TS]

  they'll do it and bring it back oh [TS]

  that's fantastic I know there are also a [TS]

  couple of people that suggested washing [TS]

  my clothes in the sink that's never a [TS]

  thing I'm gonna do no I just want to let [TS]

  everyone know this like so many things [TS]

  have to happen before I will wash my [TS]

  clothes in a sink with a box of [TS]

  detergent [TS]

  I really never want to do that cuz that [TS]

  just feels like I don't know like I feel [TS]

  like when I get to that situation I've [TS]

  exhausted all other options and uh there [TS]

  are so many more things I would want to [TS]

  try before washing him in the sink [TS]

  including like going to a laundromat on [TS]

  my own and getting it all wrong like I [TS]

  would do that before I wash them in a [TS]

  hotel sink I just don't want to do that [TS]

  yeah I know that I have on occasion [TS]

  washed clothes in a hotel sink I cannot [TS]

  remember the details but it was exactly [TS]

  this that it's like I would only do this [TS]

  under the most dire of circumstances [TS]

  that there is no other option left I [TS]

  feel like most times that anybody would [TS]

  ever do this is a time that they can't [TS]

  remember the details like something [TS]

  terrible has happened the only option [TS]

  they have left to them is to pour some [TS]

  powder into a sink and like smoosh it [TS]

  around with your hand because I just [TS]

  feel like yeah it's not efficient like [TS]

  it's not effective I can feel like that [TS]

  there is a not effective way of washing [TS]

  the clothes either so I feel like that I [TS]

  would try other things first [TS]

  yeah it's trying to remember what are [TS]

  the worst laundry situations I've ever [TS]

  had while traveling and it's like I [TS]

  can't remember the details of why I wash [TS]

  clothes in a sink I know I've thrown out [TS]

  clothes on a trip because it's just like [TS]

  oh this is terrible like I'm not even [TS]

  gonna try to wash these clothes but I [TS]

  can't remember why however wash it in a [TS]

  sink but it's not a good solution it's [TS]

  not a good yeah I feel like I would [TS]

  be more inclined to go to like a [TS]

  supermarket and buy really cheap [TS]

  replacement clothes first you know a bit [TS]

  but anyway I'm sure that there are many [TS]

  reasons like for example let's imagine [TS]

  that I was going on a really important [TS]

  business meeting and I somehow spilt [TS]

  ketchup on my t-shirt or like on my [TS]

  button-down shirt and it's the only one [TS]

  that I have and I'm like in a pinch and [TS]

  I'm just gonna go to the sink and use [TS]

  some sort like you know to get a little [TS]

  stain out or something I totally get [TS]

  that but the idea of me taking two weeks [TS]

  of clothes and throwing them in the [TS]

  bathtub as a way to attempt to wash my [TS]

  clothes that just doesn't feel like [TS]

  something that I want to do like it just [TS]

  because where they gonna dry like I [TS]

  don't have any way of doing this like I [TS]

  totally get that someone might do it for [TS]

  one item of clothing one time because of [TS]

  a disaster but I was talking like I'm [TS]

  talking about all of the clothes that I [TS]

  have for like 10 days turning them over [TS]

  and I feel like washing them in the sink [TS]

  is not the way to do that it doesn't [TS]

  scale so okay look against all advice [TS]

  that I have received yep from you all of [TS]

  the advice that I received people told [TS]

  me to use any other solution than [TS]

  getting my clothes washed and like [TS]

  laundered by the hotel yeah I do want to [TS]

  specify that I think I was clear in the [TS]

  last episode that getting it washed by [TS]

  the hotel is the laziest option that [TS]

  this is this is this is why it is also [TS]

  my first choice is is laziness okay and [TS]

  this is why I did it because this so I I [TS]

  in New York City I have my clothes [TS]

  laundered by the hotel mm-hmm I did that [TS]

  the reason that I did this is like is [TS]

  there's there's multiple little reasons [TS]

  that all that are up to just laziness it [TS]

  was the middle of the week I realized [TS]

  that I my planning and not been good and [TS]

  I ran out of clothes quicker than I [TS]

  expected yep it was like the middle of [TS]

  the week that I was in New York had [TS]

  already been in America for nearly ten [TS]

  days at this point I ran out of clothes [TS]

  faster than expected because also the [TS]

  weather wasn't as I planned it for so I [TS]

  needed to have my clothes washed I was [TS]

  heading out to a meeting and it would [TS]

  have just been so much easier for me to [TS]

  have the clothes [TS]

  completed by the time that I returned in [TS]

  the evening rather than having to [TS]

  somehow find a space in either that day [TS]

  or the next day and then like needing to [TS]

  wear dirty clothes and it just was like [TS]

  I'm just gonna get it done by the hotel [TS]

  this was a mistake [TS]

  this was a big mistake did they not [TS]

  clean your clothes they cleaned them [TS]

  great I'll put a picture in our show [TS]

  notes which will also include for our [TS]

  listeners of how the clothes were [TS]

  returned for me oh yes look at that yeah [TS]

  you got that you get the nice little [TS]

  wrapped box with blue ribbon on them [TS]

  which was very nice you know why you get [TS]

  your clothes in a little box with [TS]

  ribbons around it because of how much [TS]

  they charge you great why so it is oh it [TS]

  feels fancy and you know what this is a [TS]

  trick that totally works on me every [TS]

  time I have it done in a hotel my whole [TS]

  like when it when the laundry comes back [TS]

  in the little box with some tissue paper [TS]

  around it I think look at this I got to [TS]

  feel like a mr. fancy-pants when I came [TS]

  back exactly that was until I take the [TS]

  first box off the top and I am left with [TS]

  the bill hmm so leading up to this point [TS]

  a couple of things occurred so you have [TS]

  to complete the the order yourself you [TS]

  taught up all the things that you're [TS]

  giving through them give them a total [TS]

  and then you add it all right how many [TS]

  socks how many shirts [TS]

  Miera one problem that I had is there [TS]

  was no t-shirts entry on this form so I [TS]

  went with undershirts as a thing so I [TS]

  figured that's the closest to a t-shirt [TS]

  like this isn't a button-down shirt you [TS]

  don't need to be careful with it you [TS]

  don't need to fold it in a specific way [TS]

  yeah so I figured I'll go with [TS]

  undershirt the hotel decided that they [TS]

  would plaster Miss t-shirts and then [TS]

  create a price entry which is about [TS]

  twice the amount so when I was filling [TS]

  out the form it was already expensive [TS]

  but when it came back it was far too [TS]

  expensive and of course these forms say [TS]

  whatever we say you pay absolutely so I [TS]

  am embarrassed [TS]

  very embarrassed by the amount of money [TS]

  that I had to spend getting my laundry [TS]

  done I have learned a very valuable life [TS]

  lesson and I also think that the [TS]

  majority of my clothes were ever so [TS]

  slightly smaller then when they were [TS]

  sent off and of course the form also [TS]

  says Yolo that might happen right like [TS]

  you who might shrink a little bit so [TS]

  right they bear no responsibility for [TS]

  the laundry that they are cleaning so I [TS]

  I will I will [TS]

  stand with my arms extended like out to [TS]

  my sides to all listeners and say you [TS]

  were right and I was wrong and I am [TS]

  stupid for doing this because I spent an [TS]

  embarrassing amount of money to have my [TS]

  clothes slightly shrunk that's what I [TS]

  did and I will never do this again I [TS]

  haven't worked out what I'm gonna do [TS]

  well ok I will never do this again for [TS]

  the amount of clothes that I did it for [TS]

  mmm right ok so if I have like a shirt [TS]

  that needs to be ironed and pressed and [TS]

  all that I may pay $10 to get that done [TS]

  but like I had a week's worth of clothes [TS]

  cleaned I'm never gonna do that again by [TS]

  the hotel that's like if I need to do it [TS]

  so it might be in a hotel time going to [TS]

  next I will check the prices and if it's [TS]

  very cheap for some silly reason it's [TS]

  not going to be but it's never going to [TS]

  be it's never is never going to be after [TS]

  this I started looking into a little bit [TS]

  more like why is it the price that it is [TS]

  and it turns out because businesspeople [TS]

  get this stuff done and just charge it [TS]

  to their company and then they're good [TS]

  to go [TS]

  right because it's all expenses based so [TS]

  nobody cares how much it costs is really [TS]

  going to be covering the cost of your [TS]

  laundry Mike there is no way that I [TS]

  would present this bill to my company [TS]

  purely because it would be laughed at [TS]

  and I would never receive the money [TS]

  [Laughter] [TS]

  I don't know Mike I just this is the [TS]

  lazy option the lazy option as is so [TS]

  always the case the expensive option I [TS]

  expected that right I expected it to be [TS]

  to being more expensive so now I guess I [TS]

  guess what I need to know here Mike is [TS]

  what's the number because I feel like I [TS]

  feel like you're you're squirmy and [TS]

  evasive over the microphone I can't do [TS]

  it great I can't I can't I cannot tell [TS]

  the world the amount of money this cost [TS]

  me I can't do it [TS]

  you you have a real you have a real [TS]

  emotional attachments to the cost of [TS]

  your laundry here Mike it's the [TS]

  embarrassment of it I think yeah but I [TS]

  feel like you need to cleanse your soul [TS]

  of this of this number I'll tell you so [TS]

  I want to just tell you okay I have [TS]

  maybe 70 shirts a pair of shorts maybe [TS]

  six or seven pairs of under shorts as [TS]

  they were named rich I found funny and [TS]

  at like a handful of socks and one [TS]

  button-down shirt that was kind of the [TS]

  the total amount of items that I had [TS]

  cleaned okay all right are you ready I'm [TS]

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  show yeah I don't know that's getting [TS]

  your laundry done in New York I think [TS]

  that seems too crazy I can't tell people [TS]

  the amount of money look Mike if you [TS]

  need to you could you can bleep that out [TS]

  right but you won't you also have the [TS]

  problem that what I didn't specify last [TS]

  time when I was giving you the advice [TS]

  about do they do the laundry at the [TS]

  hotel I'm used to really big numbers [TS]

  here because I'm always the guy doing [TS]

  the rush job with the laundry because [TS]

  when I'm traveling I feel like this this [TS]

  is again this for me is one of these [TS]

  cases where when I am traveling [TS]

  especially in the last couple of years [TS]

  it is largely for business or for [TS]

  particular purpose and I feel like my [TS]

  time is valuable in a place and also I [TS]

  just can't deal with the details of [TS]

  anything and so I am often in the [TS]

  situation where I have totally forgotten [TS]

  about laundry until the last possible [TS]

  second and then not only am i filling [TS]

  out their ridiculously mafioso monopoly [TS]

  expensive form about how much the [TS]

  laundry is going to cost [TS]

  I also tick the box which says I need it [TS]

  as soon as you can which as far as I can [TS]

  tell just gives them a license to write [TS]

  whatever number they can name but in the [TS]

  little laundry okay so I really wish I [TS]

  would have been given this little piece [TS]

  of information because the thing is I [TS]

  agree with everything you say I think [TS]

  that part of the reason we're able to [TS]

  have these conversations is I agree with [TS]

  that logic right like right I had stuff [TS]

  to do I didn't have the time which is [TS]

  why I got it done in the first place but [TS]

  I just don't think that I was mentally [TS]

  prepared for the amount of money this is [TS]

  going to cost me [TS]

  if I have the amount of money out the [TS]

  listener just understand that I just [TS]

  don't want you to think bad of me right [TS]

  understand that I was a man caught out [TS]

  by a system in which he could not [TS]

  control and he did something silly and [TS]

  he's never gonna do it again and we can [TS]

  all make mistakes because now I have [TS]

  done more washing and I have completed [TS]

  that washing in the home of my [TS]

  co-founder and I have used really weird [TS]

  machines that American people have it's [TS]

  like for example we were talking about [TS]

  doing you know Ethan was helping me with [TS]

  his washing machine and I was like yeah [TS]

  I usually set it to 30 degrees it's like [TS]

  I can't I'd have no idea I can't help [TS]

  you this machine doesn't go by [TS]

  temperature like this and like just [TS]

  things like how did when I was loading [TS]

  the washing machine water was already in [TS]

  the machine what is this voodoo I don't [TS]

  understand like I put with my washing [TS]

  machine everything goes in I closed the [TS]

  door I choose to temperature and I press [TS]

  go and then it starts I was adding [TS]

  laundry to a machine that was already [TS]

  motioned oh yeah okay I got yeah that's [TS]

  one of those it's one of those a [TS]

  top-loading agitator yeah I know that [TS]

  this is what I can't understand [TS]

  like I just I don't this is what I knew [TS]

  was gonna happen to me if I tried to do [TS]

  it on my own that I would be faced with [TS]

  by one of these machines that I don't [TS]

  understand how to use no it's it's great [TS]

  it's like it's like a cement mixer you [TS]

  know you can just keep throwing more [TS]

  stuff in the laundry machine goes it's [TS]

  fans that seats but do you understand [TS]

  like I'm showing you have used a [TS]

  European style machine or like machines [TS]

  I'm sure they exist in America I have [TS]

  one not not five feet away from where [TS]

  I'm recording this podcast but do you do [TS]

  not do you say like why I have been [TS]

  apprehensive about this cuz it's it's [TS]

  effectively using a machine type that [TS]

  I've never used before for the only [TS]

  clothes that I own here right like I'm [TS]

  putting everything that I can wear into [TS]

  a machine I don't understand you seem to [TS]

  have some psychological issues around [TS]

  laundry while I'm I'm I'm happy to make [TS]

  fun of you publicly and privately for [TS]

  these laundry issues that you seem to [TS]

  have I also again totally get it that [TS]

  this is the kind of thing that when [TS]

  you're traveling [TS]

  is more anxiety inducing than it would [TS]

  be otherwise it's not something that you [TS]

  really want to deal with because you [TS]

  have other things that you're doing and [TS]

  and you just like little things that are [TS]

  different can be surprisingly dear [TS]

  ailing when you're traveling so I I I [TS]

  will make fun of you but I am also [TS]

  underneath I am sympathetic I'm not a [TS]

  Luddite I can what I can work these [TS]

  things out but it is the idea of like I [TS]

  just want it to be done and I don't want [TS]

  anything to go wrong right I did this is [TS]

  the thing so I don't know how I'm going [TS]

  to wash my clothes for the rest of my [TS]

  trip when I'm back in New York but I [TS]

  know I'm not using the hotel I'm prime [TS]

  next up I'm gonna look into these [TS]

  services that will apparently come and [TS]

  collect my clothes because people tell [TS]

  me that this stuff is not as expensive [TS]

  as it might seem to be so what I know is [TS]

  it's not gonna be more expensive than [TS]

  giving it done in the hotel well I mean [TS]

  like a nap sounds fantastic for laundry [TS]

  and and that also seems the case of [TS]

  there is actual competition there which [TS]

  could drive down the prices there is and [TS]

  there's also economies of scale that a [TS]

  hotel doesn't have in the same way for [TS]

  doing the laundry so this this this [TS]

  seems great I remember vaguely wondering [TS]

  if they were apps that could do your [TS]

  laundry for you and it sounds like they [TS]

  exist in New York at the very least and [TS]

  I will I will probably look after this [TS]

  podcast to see if they exist in London I [TS]

  think they do actually amazing so part [TS]

  of all of this why the laundry is such a [TS]

  big thing is it's like disruption to my [TS]

  life whilst I am in a situation where [TS]

  I'm in a place for work you know yeah [TS]

  what we have lovingly referred to as [TS]

  grey kay shion's like I'm here in [TS]

  different places and I'm I have my [TS]

  regular work commitments to keep up with [TS]

  lost additional things that I'm doing [TS]

  I've decided that I would like to refer [TS]

  to this in my past as a Hurley day as [TS]

  and you have your gradations and I have [TS]

  my Hurley days that's how they work and [TS]

  so that's what I have been on like over [TS]

  the last couple of weeks and this is [TS]

  still gonna continue but during these [TS]

  times like you I kind of I don't have my [TS]

  usual things around me so I just when I [TS]

  have to deal with like what would be a [TS]

  chore right [TS]

  could my regular chores I want it to be [TS]

  easy because I don't have my way of [TS]

  doing it like my muscle memory just the [TS]

  things I don't have to think about I [TS]

  don't want them to be things I now have [TS]

  to think about because I'm already [TS]

  adding additional work into my life by [TS]

  being here it's the one of the reasons [TS]

  I'm here I don't want to then have to [TS]

  add this whole other layer of like [TS]

  relearning how to do things that I [TS]

  already know how to do right yeah well [TS]

  when you're traveling you have less [TS]

  ability to deal with disruption [TS]

  especially if you change countries like [TS]

  I was I was trying in Germany a while [TS]

  ago and and a couple of things came up [TS]

  that I need to I need to do some [TS]

  essentially some errand to type things [TS]

  and realize immediately I have no idea [TS]

  what stores to go to to accomplish these [TS]

  errands right or it was in in London to [TS]

  be like oh I just need to pop into a [TS]

  boots right I could I can just do this [TS]

  or I'll I'll go I'll go to a Walgreens [TS]

  in America right you use boots because [TS]

  to an American this is like it's like [TS]

  the most English sounding store that our [TS]

  equivalent of Walmart is called boots [TS]

  that's what it's called [TS]

  we have boots yeah I said that it's a [TS]

  it's a Walgreens okay yeah no I get [TS]

  those confused because they have the [TS]

  exact same start to their name it's yeah [TS]

  Walgreens like it's like a big chemist [TS]

  that also does some other stuff yeah [TS]

  exactly [TS]

  it's it's the miscellaneous store that [TS]

  has a whole bunch of stuff and yeah so I [TS]

  remember like I was just in Germany I'm [TS]

  like I have no idea where to go for a [TS]

  bunch of these tiny items that I know [TS]

  would be all together at it boots but [TS]

  now this is turning into a big hassle [TS]

  it's like like how do I search on maps [TS]

  for where to buy q-tips like I don't [TS]

  understand how do I find this piece of [TS]

  information search for the contents of a [TS]

  store rygel maps yeah that is what I [TS]

  want that is what I want I need scotch [TS]

  tape where do i acquire this item right [TS]

  idea these are the things I'm just not I [TS]

  just don't want to do Plus and kind of [TS]

  like just makes things more difficult [TS]

  and I have had something happen to me [TS]

  gray which has ruined all of my systems [TS]

  and I don't know what to do [TS]

  I have lost two button-down shirts [TS]

  somehow on this trip whoo [TS]

  now this is not the end of the world [TS]

  when I go back to New York I'm gonna go [TS]

  to a store and I'm gonna buy myself a [TS]

  new shirt my problem is I didn't know I [TS]

  had lost them I'm supposed to have a [TS]

  system that prevents this the system has [TS]

  failed [TS]

  what do you count your shirts out in any [TS]

  of your suitcase every time like a bike [TS]

  hacking system right like a system of [TS]

  packing and when I leave a hotel a [TS]

  system of checking a one of those have [TS]

  failed me to the point where I have lost [TS]

  2/3 of the shirts that I brought with me [TS]

  and I don't know how this happened [TS]

  because I have a memory of not removing [TS]

  them from my suitcase so where are they [TS]

  right like that I have been I have been [TS]

  honestly losing my mind about this over [TS]

  the last couple of days because I cannot [TS]

  work out where they are plus I have this [TS]

  whole conspiracy theory thing going on [TS]

  as well oh okay okay well I mean before [TS]

  before like but before we get to your [TS]

  conspiracy theory I think I think it is [TS]

  good advice for anybody traveling that [TS]

  you just assume that as you move around [TS]

  you leave behind you a detritus of the [TS]

  objects that you have brought with you [TS]

  and it's impossible to track them [TS]

  perfectly like you always leave stuff [TS]

  behind [TS]

  yeah so just I don't know this is the [TS]

  case but like shirts the reason this is [TS]

  concerning for me pants yeah people [TS]

  sometimes you leave them up no no that [TS]

  doesn't happen please that that's not [TS]

  the thing um the reason this is [TS]

  concerning for me is because the system [TS]

  in which I use to make sure that I have [TS]

  packed my clothing is the same system in [TS]

  which I use to ensure that I've packed [TS]

  everything and on this trip I have a lot [TS]

  of relatively expensive audio equipment [TS]

  that is not easy to replace in a flash I [TS]

  may not realize I have lost something in [TS]

  this whole setup until it is too late [TS]

  and I am about to record a show so like [TS]

  this is my concern right it's not that I [TS]

  have lost the shirts because shirts are [TS]

  replaceable [TS]

  easily and also I can just wear [TS]

  something else right like I'm fine but [TS]

  it is the concern that I have now that [TS]

  my system and my mental models are [TS]

  making sure I have packed everything [TS]

  have failed me and that could result in [TS]

  the losing of something more important [TS]

  when I am only half way through this and [TS]

  I have lost a significant amount of [TS]

  things are heavy [TS]

  Oh what's with your plan of action [TS]

  something else may be lost gray and I [TS]

  just don't know what it is yet [TS]

  I mean you'll find out at an [TS]

  inconvenient moment but what is your [TS]

  what's your plan of action here Mike I [TS]

  don't have one okay did your system [TS]

  involve touching each of the shirts and [TS]

  counting them as you packed and unpacked [TS]

  them well no because I didn't have a [TS]

  number associated to these things so [TS]

  maybe now I know how to do that but it's [TS]

  already too late now right because I can [TS]

  count the number of things that I have [TS]

  but it doesn't mean I have everything [TS]

  this is the problem I can only fix this [TS]

  for the next time I leave home for where [TS]

  I am now I can count everything that I [TS]

  have and it will help me for the rest of [TS]

  the trip but I can't count what's [TS]

  already lost and who knows what's lost [TS]

  it could be everything I think it's very [TS]

  unlikely it's everything like I think [TS]

  you have a suitcase full of things I [TS]

  live with shouting a suitcase right now [TS]

  I feel like you have been traveling too [TS]

  long this is ver this is a very long [TS]

  trip for you and I many hard they were [TS]

  spiraling out of control right that's it [TS]

  that's what this is like this I feel [TS]

  like I'm listening to a man on the edge [TS]

  and it's like oh poor Mike he was not [TS]

  meant to travel by himself for this long [TS]

  I was supposed to and yeah this is I [TS]

  don't know how you felt the first time [TS]

  you did this but like I have ramped up [TS]

  significantly right the most I have ever [TS]

  been away is like a week at a time and I [TS]

  went for five I feel like I maybe went [TS]

  III I hurtled towards the Sun gray and I [TS]

  think I got burnt a little bit along the [TS]

  way I can't say that I'm too surprised [TS]

  because we have had some conversations [TS]

  about our various like relations with [TS]

  people like and socializing and all the [TS]

  rest of this and [TS]

  you what you have always said things [TS]

  that make me make me think like maybe [TS]

  you shouldn't be alone for a really long [TS]

  time you're like oh you've asked me oh [TS]

  don't get lonely so I I haven't been [TS]

  spending the amount of time alone you [TS]

  spend we'll talk about that in a bit but [TS]

  like the way that I have structured [TS]

  these trips I'm not alone so much mm-hmm [TS]

  it's just away from my usual norms I [TS]

  think is the problem for me and I've [TS]

  never done it but five weeks is too much [TS]

  you're a creature of habit then perhaps [TS]

  yeah maybe [TS]

  and you're all frazzled at the edges [TS]

  you've got your first sticking up in [TS]

  funny directions like you're all [TS]

  ungroomed and then missing two shirts I [TS]

  was fine until the shots the shirts were [TS]

  what pushed me over the edge because now [TS]

  it's like the things that I think are [TS]

  written down and set in stone they're [TS]

  failing me now and to me I don't know [TS]

  what to do I go I'm just worried that [TS]

  you you're gonna like in another week [TS]

  you're going to be like an obsessive [TS]

  compulsive vampire constantly counting [TS]

  and recounting all of the things in your [TS]

  suitcase but I don't know what to tell [TS]

  you man because you've got another two [TS]

  weeks to go I enjoyed your choice of [TS]

  vampire that was good foreshadowing it [TS]

  is foreshadowing foreshadows yeah okay [TS]

  so I have one week and two days until it [TS]

  all gets better again and then I have [TS]

  another week because in one week in two [TS]

  days the dinner is coming to join me and [TS]

  then she can sort me out right okay I [TS]

  can be fixed by this point she's just [TS]

  she's already saying to me that like my [TS]

  as you can imagine my reaction to the [TS]

  shots I am overreacting I am very aware [TS]

  of the fact I am overreacting but there [TS]

  is nothing I can do about it now I am in [TS]

  like that I'm in the zone I know that [TS]

  losing a shirt shouldn't spiral you out [TS]

  of control but there's nothing I can [TS]

  talk about this it is true that telling [TS]

  someone they are overreacting is exactly [TS]

  zero percent useful because I know I am [TS]

  already exactly right the people who are [TS]

  the people who are overreacting they [TS]

  often know that's not the problem it's [TS]

  not a knowledge problem it's it's a [TS]

  something else problem you don't even [TS]

  know about my conspiracy theory yeah [TS]

  well yeah I was I was going to circle [TS]

  back to this and gonna let that casual [TS]

  comment [TS]

  go on mind for podcast contents of of [TS]

  how is Mike losing his mind while [TS]

  travelling for an entire - I shouldn't [TS]

  be talking to you about this should have [TS]

  stayed in oh oh no do you want to know [TS]

  do me to tell you what happen you have [TS]

  to tell me all right what this [TS]

  conspiracy thing is I arrived in New [TS]

  York City just as Mike I arrived in New [TS]

  York City at Penn Station and I had to [TS]

  get to Times Square mm-hmm I arrived in [TS]

  New York City - atrocious rain like it [TS]

  was really badly raining named mm-hmm [TS]

  I have a really heavy suitcase I made my [TS]

  way to the subway my first I think it's [TS]

  the first time I ever rode the subway on [TS]

  my own and that's like a whole other [TS]

  thing about how confusing I find in New [TS]

  York subway compared to the London Tube [TS]

  I will give you that one like even as [TS]

  someone who had experience with the New [TS]

  York subway as a much younger self it is [TS]

  is a much less user-friendly situation [TS]

  than the London Underground I won't [TS]

  necessarily say more difficult I'll just [TS]

  say less user-friendly I think is the [TS]

  way I would put it I have become more [TS]

  adept at navigating it now but like [TS]

  initially when I just thought that I was [TS]

  gonna be able to just go like just go [TS]

  that's not like it you kind of go it's [TS]

  like are you going uptown or downtown [TS]

  you have to know if you don't know so I [TS]

  made my way and I did what I had to do [TS]

  and I got to the hotel I arrived at the [TS]

  hotel having walked through the rain I [TS]

  am dripping right onto the floor of the [TS]

  hotel mmm I met with the check-in guy [TS]

  and he has a sense of humor he's a funny [TS]

  guy and he's checking me in and he's [TS]

  like you know can I have your ID in your [TS]

  cart make sure I give him my idea give [TS]

  him a credit card so he can they can do [TS]

  whatever it is they need to do all that [TS]

  stuff I didn't fully understand why I [TS]

  have to give anybody my idea of [TS]

  doublings is the thing you have to do in [TS]

  America yeah I don't get that either I [TS]

  like just let me pay I paid you for the [TS]

  I don't anyway yeah it's it seems very [TS]

  strange like what do I need to give my [TS]

  ID at a restaurant like well I don't I [TS]

  don't understand why here but they do so [TS]

  they take the ID and so he's checking me [TS]

  and he just says what is your email [TS]

  address and I said why do you need my [TS]

  email address [TS]

  who and he's just like all we put into [TS]

  the system was like nah then he said [TS]

  what if you lose something and we need [TS]

  to contact you no I see where this is [TS]

  going ok yeah I could see that I can see [TS]

  where the crazy begins ok yep and I said [TS]

  to him it's ok [TS]

  like I don't but I you know you can [TS]

  contact me in other ways like I don't [TS]

  want to give you my email address and [TS]

  he's like ok and he's making these jokes [TS]

  so there is a part of me that was like [TS]

  she's still my chefs because it was he [TS]

  was so insistent on if I lose something [TS]

  right I think because he made a joke [TS]

  about it it's like oh well we lost them [TS]

  I can thing is great here's the thing [TS]

  mm-hmm [TS]

  when I was in DC I didn't unpack so I [TS]

  know I didn't take the shirts out when I [TS]

  was in DC because I was in there for a [TS]

  couple of days I was in New York eyes [TS]

  there for a week and I did unpack it's [TS]

  certainly not that unpacking [TS]

  dramatically increases the likelihood of [TS]

  losing something but I I know I it but [TS]

  this is the thing right so like I am an [TS]

  impassive Eva my system of checking the [TS]

  room is bad or the check-in assistant [TS]

  stole two shirts for me right and right [TS]

  now they are both upsetting in their own [TS]

  way they're both upsetting but like all [TS]

  good conspiracy theories you clearly [TS]

  want to believe that the shirts were [TS]

  stolen versus your system has failed you [TS]

  it is better for me to feel that the man [TS]

  stole from me that's basically what [TS]

  conspiracy theories are right there they [TS]

  are attractive sets of ideas that you [TS]

  kind of want to be true like whoo yeah [TS]

  this to be much better than my system [TS]

  failing I would far prefer it as a [TS]

  slight side tension at the hotels when [TS]

  they ask for all your and [TS]

  this is why I have learned to just give [TS]

  them false information right because I [TS]

  used to do the like why do you need my [TS]

  phone number why do you need my email [TS]

  address thing why do you need my home [TS]

  home address like any of these [TS]

  informations these places ask now I just [TS]

  I just make stuff up I just put down [TS]

  fake number since like whatever never [TS]

  has caused a problem and it just gets it [TS]

  it gets us past this you want to build [TS]

  your email list like hotel I will never [TS]

  visit again that like that's what's [TS]

  occurring here so I just give them [TS]

  information that's not true that's why [TS]

  just a fake email address Mike let's say [TS]

  that's what you need yeah but then they [TS]

  would email me if I lost the things and [TS]

  it would never come back to me with it [TS]

  look look if there's something important [TS]

  at the hotel they can get in touch with [TS]

  you when I check into a hotel I give [TS]

  them all the fake information for like [TS]

  Oh what sorry what's your email address [TS]

  what's your phone number right because [TS]

  if they need to get in touch they can do [TS]

  it and I also when I go into the room [TS]

  there are several things that I do to [TS]

  get a hotel room ready for me but one of [TS]

  those things includes unplugging the [TS]

  phone in the wall is it'd be like I [TS]

  don't want you to call me randomly with [TS]

  some with something I probably don't [TS]

  really care about check for bugs check [TS]

  the lamps and stuff no I don't check the [TS]

  lamps I have to get it ready for me like [TS]

  nothing enters I go in with a hood and [TS]

  then I unplug I don't plug the phone I [TS]

  check the lamp for bugs [TS]

  that's crazy crazy crazy crazy yeah [TS]

  protip though for anybody who does want [TS]

  to unplug the phones that the the hotel [TS]

  desk doesn't bother you with their dumb [TS]

  phone calls if it is a cordless phone [TS]

  make sure to take the battery out of the [TS]

  phone as well because it will start [TS]

  beeping in about 24 hours when the [TS]

  battery begins to run down beep beep to [TS]

  let you know need to charge me so pull [TS]

  that battery out the back of the phone [TS]

  unplug the phone from the wall and you [TS]

  have a nice nice quiet hotel room no one [TS]

  will bother you and if it's really [TS]

  important they'll catch you when you're [TS]

  walking past the front desk that has [TS]

  always been my experience [TS]

  ok maybe what I need to do is set up an [TS]

  email address that I never check but [TS]

  like it was there so like if I have lost [TS]

  something I can just go log into that [TS]

  email account and check that address but [TS]

  it's full of their emails from the gap [TS]

  and there's no gain they got my FAC so [TS]

  we're all about in the show yeah yeah I [TS]

  I'm in a just a real pickle I'm gonna I [TS]

  called the hotel they said they didn't [TS]

  find anything I don't believe them [TS]

  and this is where I am in my life gray [TS]

  it's not good it's not good I I don't [TS]

  want to put an idea in your mind but I'm [TS]

  pretty sure that when you called the guy [TS]

  who answered was wearing your shirt at [TS]

  the time there were nice shots too can't [TS]

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  website alright Mike tell me now I know [TS]

  we've had a fascinating discussion about [TS]

  you're slowly unraveling mental state [TS]

  but what are you doing in America right [TS]

  now yep what are you there for I want to [TS]

  know tell me so many things gray so I [TS]

  have attended a pen show of course do [TS]

  you know what a pen show is by now right [TS]

  like you know yeah it's a show where you [TS]

  can buy pens yes it's like a big place [TS]

  where you can go and you can buy pens [TS]

  and I have a show all about pens called [TS]

  the pen addict and we do a Kickstarter [TS]

  every year and for us to go to different [TS]

  shows and we go and we record live shows [TS]

  there at you in three this year which is [TS]

  wild so I was at the DC pen show wait [TS]

  are you doing three live pen shows is [TS]

  that what you're saying three live [TS]

  episodes of the pen addict because of [TS]

  the comic it's a North American tour [TS]

  we're gonna be in Chicago in October [TS]

  that's amazing yeah I live a really [TS]

  weird life it's kind of beautiful so we [TS]

  I was in DC for the pen show then I went [TS]

  to New York and that was just purely [TS]

  like I'm waiting like it was it wasn't a [TS]

  holding pattern because I'm in Memphis [TS]

  right now which is where Stephen my [TS]

  co-founder lives and we get together [TS]

  every year because it's real AFM's [TS]

  birthday in August we're actually gonna [TS]

  talk a little bit about that at the end [TS]

  of the show so but it's good for me and [TS]

  him to get together every year because [TS]

  we get to work in the same place which [TS]

  is just nice but we also get to like [TS]

  think about our company you know and [TS]

  talk through stuff like that together [TS]

  which is really useful and we kind of [TS]

  set some goals and set some objectives [TS]

  and some things we'd like to achieve in [TS]

  the next year so that's always a good [TS]

  thing to do so I've been here for that [TS]

  and I leave Memphis in a couple of days [TS]

  was that with but before before you zoom [TS]

  on though the you two are are hanging [TS]

  out as cofounders of relay yep together [TS]

  how long are you guys spending together [TS]

  a week that's good I think that's a good [TS]

  amount of time so that that you were [TS]

  around [TS]

  but it doesn't feel like you have to [TS]

  rush everything together and I would [TS]

  suspect that that's also the thick [TS]

  that's a good amount of time that you [TS]

  can rehash or like revisit thoughts a [TS]

  few times and bounce them off of off of [TS]

  each other yeah because like I think [TS]

  like I think it's really interesting [TS]

  that you guys do this like I I know [TS]

  people who are who are essentially the [TS]

  remote cofounders of various things but [TS]

  I know very very few people who do the [TS]

  we're going to be intentionally together [TS]

  as cofounders on a regular basis thing [TS]

  and I think that's such a that's such a [TS]

  great idea because it's so important [TS]

  yeah it really really is it really [TS]

  matters to be in person to discuss [TS]

  things like this and especially when you [TS]

  own a company together yeah like it's so [TS]

  easy for us to work remotely right like [TS]

  it works perfectly like our business is [TS]

  structured and set up to actually be [TS]

  more effective because it's remote but [TS]

  for us not to get together with the [TS]

  explicit idea of talking about the [TS]

  company and thinking about it and being [TS]

  like that's that seems like a really [TS]

  just obvious thing and like to not do [TS]

  that seems like it would be a real [TS]

  mistake like we see each other a lot [TS]

  every year but it's in other [TS]

  circumstances there is a nothing [TS]

  happening so an idea may pop up or [TS]

  whatever but in this time like I'm here [TS]

  I'm staying in Stephens house with his [TS]

  family who we're spending unlike with [TS]

  the best of friends right so like it's [TS]

  also nice to do that but whilst we're [TS]

  also at the zoo together I can mention a [TS]

  thing and it's like oh yeah that's a [TS]

  really good idea we'll talk about that [TS]

  and then we'll come back to it later on [TS]

  because ideas you know if you work on [TS]

  anything no matter whether it's just [TS]

  your job or a side project or whatever [TS]

  ideas if they happen all the time [TS]

  of a thing like oh I've cracked it well [TS]

  I'll have this great idea and being in [TS]

  the same physical location as the person [TS]

  that should hear those ideas is very [TS]

  valuable very whoo [TS]

  now I think I think it's great that you [TS]

  do it and I just I wanted to focus on it [TS]

  for a moment because I feel like you [TS]

  know when you and I meet up for lunch [TS]

  on occasion you you will often make [TS]

  reference to like oh I was thinking [TS]

  about this thing like when when we were [TS]

  together as co-founders in Memphis like [TS]

  you and Steven were and it's it's it's [TS]

  clearly a time that is that has like a [TS]

  value that is much greater than just the [TS]

  the raw days that you're together yeah [TS]

  and I think like it's it is working [TS]

  remotely it is fantastic for the [TS]

  day-to-day but the impression that I get [TS]

  is is like a lot of the a lot of the [TS]

  sort of big picture vision for what you [TS]

  want for relay and for your company [TS]

  comes out of this time oh yeah oh it [TS]

  really does it really really does I mean [TS]

  and also we we launched a redesign of [TS]

  our website and that was really useful [TS]

  for us to be in the same place when we [TS]

  did that uh yes the new the new relay [TS]

  website it looks gorgeous [TS]

  yeah it's really good looking it's very [TS]

  good looking they had nothing to do with [TS]

  me did you not did you not hand draw all [TS]

  of the no pages know where the website [TS]

  nope nope didn't do that wasn't none of [TS]

  it was my idea but I loved it [TS]

  it was fantastic it was it's all it was [TS]

  really well done and I think it [TS]

  represents our company better than the [TS]

  previous web site did I think it looks [TS]

  really great and it was it was really [TS]

  fun and scary to we'll be in the same [TS]

  place whilst that was happening and then [TS]

  like who's working out all the fires it [TS]

  was good me but that was like doing that [TS]

  in the same place is way better than it [TS]

  happening which would have happened when [TS]

  I was sleeping in London it would have [TS]

  yeah and then as well as that like I've [TS]

  liked doing the show like I'm recording [TS]

  a Stephan studio for a few days like I'm [TS]

  doing all of my regular work and we're [TS]

  together and it's it's it's been very [TS]

  valuable like we do it every year and [TS]

  we'll continue to like it said it makes [TS]

  so much sense it makes so much sense [TS]

  so you're in Stephens studio right now [TS]

  are you surrounded by Mac's all kinds [TS]

  behind me decades ago is shelving full [TS]

  of old computers like just [TS]

  big shelving unit lots and lots of [TS]

  things on it like I can look at old iPod [TS]

  Touches and old Macintosh's and they're [TS]

  everywhere [TS]

  III can't imagine that any listeners are [TS]

  unaware but in case they aren't like [TS]

  Stephen Hackett your co-founder must [TS]

  have one of the largest private [TS]

  collections of Apple equipment in the [TS]

  world like there has to be true I think [TS]

  in the condition that he has them yes I [TS]

  mean to the point that he is literally [TS]

  donated large sections of his [TS]

  collections to museums like the Henry [TS]

  Ford Museum [TS]

  so the Henry Ford Museum has one of [TS]

  those little plaques that says oh oh [TS]

  this this this historical Mac was [TS]

  donated by Stephen Hackett like it had [TS]

  like you see those plaques and museums [TS]

  well I think it will do eventually I [TS]

  think that they're still preparing them [TS]

  and it was every color of the iMac g3 [TS]

  Stephen had an incredible project where [TS]

  he put them all together and then at the [TS]

  end of it donated them today he has [TS]

  quite a collection it is it is really [TS]

  crazy listeners if you if you haven't [TS]

  seen it we'll put it in the show notes [TS]

  but Stephen Hackett's YouTube channel [TS]

  has has a bunch of videos where he's [TS]

  showing off various portions of his [TS]

  collection and it is it is impressive to [TS]

  see and it must have been I can't [TS]

  imagine how much effort had to go into [TS]

  getting to getting all of the different [TS]

  pieces that he has but because he has so [TS]

  many he can do very fun videos sometimes [TS]

  like when Apple released that predict [TS]

  ulis book of all the things they made [TS]

  like I love that he made a video of the [TS]

  physical objects with the pages yeah the [TS]

  book it's like how many people in the [TS]

  world could match them up no bones [TS]

  nobody right who has the stuff well he [TS]

  does like including a selection of iPod [TS]

  socks like he has all of that in a very [TS]

  interesting setting to record chosen [TS]

  yeah so as I just want to visualize [TS]

  where you are so you're you're [TS]

  surrounded by all the max I'm in it I'm [TS]

  in a room in Memphis Tennessee [TS]

  surrounded by computers done mostly [TS]

  older than me maybe not mostly I'm older [TS]

  than I think I am some [TS]

  me no mm-hmm but as well as that race [TS]

  when I was in New York I was really kind [TS]

  of following the great Asian model like [TS]

  I was doing all of my regular work just [TS]

  in another location land it was great [TS]

  because I felt I had this really strange [TS]

  feeling of like I live in New York now [TS]

  like a couple of days in it was just [TS]

  this really weird feeling of I have [TS]

  taken my life and put it here mm-hmm [TS]

  Plus New York is a great place to do [TS]

  this type of thing I know I mentioned it [TS]

  before but I'm gonna mention again that [TS]

  I really do think obviously great [TS]

  industries does not have a co-founder [TS]

  right so I don't I don't go someplace [TS]

  with a a non-existent co-founder but I [TS]

  really do I do think that a change of [TS]

  location is an important part of doing a [TS]

  trip like this where you feel like [TS]

  you're going to have a dedicated work [TS]

  time like I really think that the [TS]

  location change matters and that's why I [TS]

  used to just go to different hotels in [TS]

  the same city and now sometimes I go to [TS]

  Amsterdam or I go to other locations if [TS]

  I can if I can make it happen and that [TS]

  thing that you touched on that this sort [TS]

  of almost tricking your brain into [TS]

  creating this illusion like you just [TS]

  exist in this other place I really think [TS]

  that it is important that that feeling [TS]

  of existing somewhere else that that I [TS]

  think doing your regular work really [TS]

  helps bring about it kind of opens you [TS]

  up to thinking about things in a little [TS]

  bit of a in a little bit of a different [TS]

  way like it's interesting to hear that [TS]

  you had that that feeling of like oh I I [TS]

  exist in New York now and that was [TS]

  definitely a thing like over the summer [TS]

  doing a whole bunch of traveling like I [TS]

  had that a bunch of times like a very [TS]

  particular but what I'm doing now this [TS]

  is just my life like it feels almost a [TS]

  bit like you're a different person which [TS]

  lets you look at problems in different [TS]

  ways or sometimes think of solutions [TS]

  that wouldn't have occurred to you in in [TS]

  the normal day-to-day routine of your [TS]

  life yeah I mean I know that you have I [TS]

  think mostly established Amsterdam is [TS]

  like your place right where you go for [TS]

  this stuff [TS]

  yeah am sir damn is really good it's [TS]

  interesting because Amsterdam is really [TS]

  good it for me it has a bunch of reasons [TS]

  why it works really well but I am also [TS]

  aware that that has also become a little [TS]

  a little bit of a downside like I almost [TS]

  know it too well at this point and so I [TS]

  feel like I have a little bit less of [TS]

  the novelty experience than previously [TS]

  but it is it is the place that that I [TS]

  have gone the most to think about stuff [TS]

  long term or trying to reboot my working [TS]

  process cuz I think that New York really [TS]

  works for me as this place because [TS]

  everything is super accessible on foot a [TS]

  lot of it right like you can just you [TS]

  know I stayed in Times Square for the [TS]

  week and being there so cool I can just [TS]

  walk down to the coffee shop I can go [TS]

  get some lunch I can go get some [TS]

  groceries and also I have a lot of [TS]

  friends that live in New York as well so [TS]

  who all of my evenings I had stuff to do [TS]

  like I wasn't just being like a recluse [TS]

  cuz that doesn't that wouldn't work for [TS]

  me to be on my own for a week of course [TS]

  so I had lots of lunches and dinners and [TS]

  I'm going back to New York and I'm gonna [TS]

  be there for like another ten days [TS]

  before this thing is done and I have [TS]

  loads more planned right loads of people [TS]

  to go and meet loads of companies to go [TS]

  and visit like it's it's a good place [TS]

  for me too because I can take the time [TS]

  that I need to do what I want to do but [TS]

  then also still actually interact with [TS]

  other humans on a frequent basis which I [TS]

  if I am away without a dinner I need [TS]

  like I need to be able to see people [TS]

  like just being on my own for multiple [TS]

  days at a time seeing nobody that I know [TS]

  would have a not-so-great effect on me [TS]

  like I can do a couple of days and it's [TS]

  great and it's useful but just having a [TS]

  dinner or a lunch every day or two with [TS]

  somebody is it's just were useful for me [TS]

  I mean yeah New York is it it's it's an [TS]

  absolutely fantastic place for that like [TS]

  the convenience of it is is just perfect [TS]

  and if you know a whole bunch of people [TS]

  in New York like that makes it that [TS]

  makes it even that makes it even better [TS]

  so I'm glad that you're I'm glad that [TS]

  you're enjoying your curly day yeah you [TS]

  said it in New York you're finding it [TS]

  productive uh-huh you're being a very [TS]

  busy boy in you yeah [TS]

  are you Rd are you having are you having [TS]

  any time for your regular work or you [TS]

  just you just visiting people and taking [TS]

  meetings um yeah I've been able to do [TS]

  all of my regular work which is good and [TS]

  I've been doing some thinking about my [TS]

  fictional project ooh [TS]

  and I have a much better sense of what [TS]

  that will be now but what I also know is [TS]

  if I'm gonna do what I want to do is [TS]

  gonna take me a really long time are you [TS]

  gonna write a novel no I'm okay like a [TS]

  lot of people have been suggesting and [TS]

  asking more about this and like all all [TS]

  I will want to say right now because it [TS]

  may never happen is that it will be an [TS]

  audio-based thing right because I want [TS]

  to apply my skills in a different area [TS]

  like I couldn't write a novel that's not [TS]

  something I could do right like that's [TS]

  that's just nowhere near my skill set [TS]

  and it's not a skill set that I am [TS]

  really interested in taking on right now [TS]

  because I feel like I can apply the [TS]

  skills that I have to something else [TS]

  right like I can I can go ahead and make [TS]

  some fiction and and I will say a lot of [TS]

  people have guessed exactly what I want [TS]

  to do not a novel though I'm surprised [TS]

  not a novel such an avid reader as [TS]

  yourself I wouldn't do that I still have [TS]

  so much travel to do this year as well [TS]

  which I'm excited about [TS]

  well you said you said you still have [TS]

  you're going to Chicago in October I'm [TS]

  going to Chicago in October [TS]

  Borana I'm doing two live shows I'm [TS]

  doing a live pen addict and a live [TS]

  connected and I'm going to a conference [TS]

  called release notes and then I'm gonna [TS]

  be a pod con in December I am a featured [TS]

  guest [TS]

  oh look at you very nice my face on the [TS]

  page there I am oh all these fancy [TS]

  people face on the page that makes it [TS]

  official and I'm there I'm gonna be [TS]

  there I don't know what I'm gonna be [TS]

  doing yet but that is something that I'm [TS]

  really excited about it is the podcast [TS]

  version of VidCon I've wanted something [TS]

  like this for a long time and I am [TS]

  excited about it so I'm gonna be there [TS]

  and I'm gonna be doing something I'm [TS]

  hoping to do some panels and stuff [TS]

  but like all of that's gonna be worked [TS]

  out later and I'm gonna be in Romania [TS]

  for Christmas which is the first time [TS]

  that's happening it's my first Christmas [TS]

  outside of England that's gonna be [TS]

  interesting [TS]

  you can't a lot of travel going on Mike [TS]

  yeah that may also be one more trip in [TS]

  here yet but it's not decided yet [TS]

  man if you got if you're gonna do all [TS]

  the travel successfully you really have [TS]

  to sort out your system I hate you I'm [TS]

  just saying with the broken a system [TS]

  like you've got yeah yeah I don't think [TS]

  you got to work on that before you can [TS]

  do this I don't want to talk to you [TS]

  anymore [TS]

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  cook are you there Mike [TS]

  no comment oh yeah Mike doesn't want to [TS]

  talk to me you're having a timeout right [TS]

  now [TS]

  this is Oh No okay I'm having a timeout [TS]

  mm-hmm because you can't you can't give [TS]

  me the silent treatment to effectively [TS]

  on the podcast exactly this doesn't [TS]

  really I would like to give you the [TS]

  silent treatment right now but it's it's [TS]

  a really difficult thing to do yeah and [TS]

  even even if you did people listening in [TS]

  overcast smart speed would just make [TS]

  your silent treatment totally [TS]

  ineffective anyway exactly I would just [TS]

  make it a treatment which is notice on [TS]

  until we know silence at all uh-huh but [TS]

  I know I know how to bring you back I [TS]

  know how to bring you back money duty [TS]

  yeah I know how to get out of the [TS]

  timeout mm-hmm which is to tell you a [TS]

  thing happened in the gray household but [TS]

  I was not expecting to happen yet and [TS]

  for a while but there is now in the [TS]

  house a TV wait was there a TV before no [TS]

  there was a computer before Wow now it [TS]

  is a TV [TS]

  okay yeah there was an iMac that was a [TS]

  TV uh-huh so now there's like it like a [TS]

  TV like a grown-up TV like a really like [TS]

  it with one of those with one of those [TS]

  stupid grown-up TV remotes that like [TS]

  your parents have with a thousand [TS]

  buttons on them yeah and that I only [TS]

  care about literally one of those [TS]

  buttons which is the button to switch [TS]

  the inputs and to switch the input to [TS]

  the Nintendo switch which is connected [TS]

  that TV you're out your time out I'm [TS]

  back baby [TS]

  you got a Nintendo switch yeah I got a [TS]

  Nintendo switch I have so many questions [TS]

  and I don't even know where to begin [TS]

  why I guess to start like what made you [TS]

  what happened I'd always assumed that I [TS]

  was gonna get a TV if and when we move [TS]

  apartments what did you move no no we [TS]

  did we didn't move we didn't move but [TS]

  but you know how you know how like your [TS]

  paranoia and conspiracy is a thing that [TS]

  feeds on itself I'm aware of density I'm [TS]

  like I am variance right now you have [TS]

  that I can't point any fingers but I'll [TS]

  just say that that someone in the house [TS]

  got it in her head [TS]

  look I'm not specifying okay sorry I [TS]

  shouldn't I shouldn't try and press on [TS]

  this yeah don't press on it but someone [TS]

  got it into her head that the iMac that [TS]

  we watched TV on was too small and this [TS]

  is an idea that starts to feed on itself [TS]

  because then you watch movies and you [TS]

  think this would be better if it was [TS]

  bigger yeah right which reinforces the [TS]

  idea that the iMac our 21 inch iMac is [TS]

  not 20 I don't wish Island TV on a 21 [TS]

  inch screen for how long it's not the [TS]

  but here's the thing the apartment is [TS]

  very small it's the screen is not that [TS]

  far away right I live in London I [TS]

  understand the size of apartments a 21 [TS]

  inch screen is comp is comedic and live [TS]

  on the rim you have like a manor house [TS]

  compared to what I live in probably so [TS]

  yeah anyway it was a little small a lot [TS]

  small yeah it had it had been fine for I [TS]

  don't know I think we've been living [TS]

  here two and a half years now but I [TS]

  could see that this was an idea that was [TS]

  it was self-sustaining self-feeding like [TS]

  a nuclear reaction gone out of control [TS]

  yep and so in order and I ended up [TS]

  deciding I'm gonna roll with this and we [TS]

  got a TV screen and I figured well the [TS]

  TV exists so that we could connect an [TS]

  Apple TV to it and I thought well as [TS]

  soon as there's a TV in the house now [TS]

  there's a reason for a Nintendo switch [TS]

  to be in the house okay so I wanna sleep [TS]

  out that but I need to go back to the TV [TS]

  thing again because there's a way to [TS]

  prove that the iMac was too small and [TS]

  could have been bigger by asking you [TS]

  what is the size of the television that [TS]

  you bought I think it's 50 inches yeah [TS]

  so there you go great point made it was [TS]

  clearly too small if you've been able to [TS]

  fit a 50 inch screen into the place that [TS]

  was occupied by the iMac and your eyes [TS]

  have not burned out of your skull right [TS]

  you obviously had the space it does feel [TS]

  very big compared to the distance dollar [TS]

  - great [TS]

  but yeah it's a it's a it's a big screen [TS]

  it's a big screen I mean I went with a [TS]

  forty to fifty you really you really [TS]

  pushed it yeah I had to do something to [TS]

  go sheeting down from larger sizes and I [TS]

  will say that I was I was victorious in [TS]

  that larger sizes would simply not fit [TS]

  in the space yeah that was required this [TS]

  kind of got out of control [TS]

  over here a little bit I think yeah it [TS]

  was it was a whole thing [TS]

  but yeah so now it's weird it's like how [TS]

  there's something about having a TV that [TS]

  feels weirdly like oh very grown-up just [TS]

  like is this big is this big object like [TS]

  I'm not just using discarded old [TS]

  computers to watch some fun now I can [TS]

  out now I have like a proper proper TV [TS]

  with HDMI inputs that you have to flick [TS]

  around on the little button to switch [TS]

  between so yeah it's in my house so [TS]

  between so yeah it's in my house so [TS]

  you bought a Nintendo switch why did you [TS]

  choose the switch over any of a games [TS]

  console this is this is a thing that I'm [TS]

  obviously I'm obviously gamer like we [TS]

  talk about games on the show a bunch [TS]

  like I like video games you're a [TS]

  hardcore gamer a very hardcore Mac gamer [TS]

  yep and you having a good laugh over [TS]

  there my very funny mm-hm [TS]

  yeah people can look at my my streaming [TS]

  YouTube channels to see my amazing [TS]

  gaming skills other people in my house [TS]

  are not necessarily the same level of [TS]

  gamer than I am like my wife for example [TS]

  just to pick a random person who lives [TS]

  in the house as well [TS]

  she's not really a gamer like every once [TS]

  in a while she'll get into something for [TS]

  a little bit but it's always very [TS]

  temporary but we've always had this idea [TS]

  that it would be it would be fun to have [TS]

  a gaming system that you can play with [TS]

  somebody else and I think on that list [TS]

  like Nintendo just has always been hot [TS]

  like the thing that is clearly the best [TS]

  for people and the switch is the [TS]

  ultimate alright like the Nintendo [TS]

  switch it's the ultimate ouble machine [TS]

  like useful from the ground up yeah we [TS]

  had it as an idea to get a Wii years and [TS]

  years ago and then it eventually became [TS]

  the case we're like well we're not gonna [TS]

  get a Wii because it's so old and then [TS]

  the Wii you seem like a very [TS]

  unsuccessful platform and then there's [TS]

  just like okay well when the switch came [TS]

  out I told you at the time I wasn't [TS]

  gonna get it straight away [TS]

  but I knew like at some point I'm going [TS]

  to have a switch and now that point has [TS]

  come and it's very fun it's interesting [TS]

  it's interesting to play and the thing [TS]

  that I feel like is is a big victory is [TS]

  I was trying very slowly to introduce my [TS]

  wife to Mario Kart and you forget how [TS]

  someone who's very used to playing games [TS]

  like how much has to be learned with [TS]

  handling a controller if this is not a [TS]

  thing that you've ever done like that [TS]

  let that level of indirection for [TS]

  someone to learn is a real thing like it [TS]

  is a real skill [TS]

  that is very easy to forget and it is a [TS]

  skill that gets increasingly difficult [TS]

  the older you get ya kids pick it up [TS]

  incredibly quickly yeah I think that [TS]

  there there is like an event horizon [TS]

  over which you probably can't really [TS]

  learn that skill in in the same way so I [TS]

  wasn't a hundred percent sure if this [TS]

  was going to really work with with my [TS]

  wife's I was trying to introduce her [TS]

  very slowly to Mario Kart and select oh [TS]

  yes look let's let's play on the fifty [TS]

  CC speed like here we go to b'doop like [TS]

  driving around driving around the karts [TS]

  I wasn't really sure if it was going to [TS]

  stick but the other night I was doing [TS]

  some work in my office and when I came [TS]

  out I saw a very intense wife right with [TS]

  with headphones on like connected to the [TS]

  TV very intense look on her face driving [TS]

  around on Mario Kart and I thought here [TS]

  we go you picked it up without me [TS]

  suggesting that this is a thing that we [TS]

  could do together so I feel like that's [TS]

  a victory yeah you did so you did it [TS]

  yeah what other games have you been [TS]

  playing I just all I have is Zelda and I [TS]

  have Mario Kart those those the two that [TS]

  I got with it played yeah I think that I [TS]

  think the same thing that I think of all [TS]

  the Zelda games which is I want to like [TS]

  them a lot more than I do but in Zelda I [TS]

  have a psychological problem with Zelda [TS]

  okay my psychological problem was Elda [TS]

  is hey NPC I'm not your goddamn errand [TS]

  boy yeah but you don't have to do the [TS]

  errands in this game what everybody [TS]

  everybody's telling you like oh you got [TS]

  to go over here and bring me the thing [TS]

  and it's like oh I'm gonna give you the [TS]

  sword of Destiny but I need to define me [TS]

  for chickens first and it's like behind [TS]

  your own goddamn chicken I'm like okay [TS]

  okay okay okay I can help you with this [TS]

  but you wanna make these villagers but [TS]

  you've all supposed to be working [TS]

  together that you are ganondorf's gonna [TS]

  destroy all of Hyrule just give me the [TS]

  sword you are approaching this game with [TS]

  too much Zelda baggage oh yeah ignore it [TS]

  you can do whatever you want the entire [TS]

  world is open just go [TS]

  you are you are a lot like the issue [TS]

  that you are having is mostly [TS]

  self-imposed like there are missions for [TS]

  you to go on but you can effectively [TS]

  just walk into them like just just go [TS]

  the game is open for you to explore if [TS]

  you want to right now from run into [TS]

  hyrule castle you can actually do it you [TS]

  can run to the final boss if you want to [TS]

  like you can start the interaction you [TS]

  will die immediately [TS]

  yeah but I feel like that this is a [TS]

  that's a false choice now this because I [TS]

  know people that have like very early in [TS]

  the game run into the castle and picked [TS]

  up a sword that they shouldn't have and [TS]

  teleport out again like you can do that [TS]

  in this game it's what makes it probably [TS]

  the best video game that I've ever [TS]

  played like it is completely open for [TS]

  you to play in just just stop talking to [TS]

  people and you're like and you will [TS]

  enjoy this getting more cuz you really [TS]

  don't I I create no side quests and then [TS]

  just when they completed the main story [TS]

  yeah maybe I should try that because I [TS]

  do feel it's like how all these people [TS]

  to talk to you and like words words [TS]

  words like you've all got your little [TS]

  problems and you all want me to fix them [TS]

  that they split up the quests into like [TS]

  main quests and stuff just follow the [TS]

  main ones line in the in your objectives [TS]

  and yeah of course you have to talk to [TS]

  people to advance the story but it's [TS]

  less of like I need this sword can you [TS]

  find it or like I've lost my chickens [TS]

  can you wrap this knots it's not really [TS]

  stuff like that [TS]

  and the that the things that you do they [TS]

  don't feel so aaron d you actually do [TS]

  feel like you are completing a big grand [TS]

  story which includes it already feels [TS]

  like a lot of Aaron's like oh I want to [TS]

  give you the magic thing but you need to [TS]

  get the blue flame for me first [TS]

  yeah the blue flame was been annoying [TS]

  but I can help you with this but you [TS]

  gotta get me see verse well just don't [TS]

  even do it man just go for the big like [TS]

  elephant like just run for it like you [TS]

  can do it and just gonna die immediately [TS]

  just gonna die immediately if you go go [TS]

  for that go for the end that's the whole [TS]

  that's all pointing I mean is that like [TS]

  I know I understand this is the [TS]

  structure of these games this is how [TS]

  these things work but but I know this is [TS]

  this is the kind of thing where it's [TS]

  like I played them for a little while [TS]

  and I find that my half-life half-life [TS]

  patience runs dry very quickly yeah with [TS]

  these kinds of games but things I have [TS]

  been this guy which is why I have never [TS]

  completed a Zelda game before this one [TS]

  hmm [TS]

  but I've played less of them so I have [TS]

  less baggage I think that you may be [TS]

  approaching this game with a Zelda [TS]

  mindset which I think if you break you [TS]

  will enjoy it more maybe I think I've [TS]

  only completed one just the Gameboy one [TS]

  but was all a dream [TS]

  spoilers for Gameboy thank you it was [TS]

  all a dream [TS]

  just made me feel cheated it's the worst [TS]

  story any story that ends with it was [TS]

  all a dream [TS]

  please look aside and there's a momento [TS]

  maybe it was real all along like that if [TS]

  you had a story that way you failed your [TS]

  failure story right it's terrible I'll [TS]

  give the other credit for being [TS]

  beautiful it really is it's very fire [TS]

  watching oh yeah yeah yeah yeah I agree [TS]

  with that I guess like that the art the [TS]

  art styles are very similar [TS]

  Firewatch highly recommend for people if [TS]

  they haven't played it I like I like [TS]

  games to have a little story like that [TS]

  like I came it's a little evening [TS]

  adventure and then it's over it's not a [TS]

  not a thousand years of running people's [TS]

  errands like Zelda is but I think our [TS]

  style is very similar every we think of [TS]

  that it's good and it's just interesting [TS]

  to see with the switch I think that like [TS]

  Nintendo's signature move is our [TS]

  equipment is underpowered but we're [TS]

  using it very well like I feel like [TS]

  that's always what Nintendo does and so [TS]

  far I've been pretty impressed with the [TS]

  way things look on both on Mario Kart [TS]

  and on Zelda given the actual [TS]

  specifications of the device that is [TS]

  connected to the TV like it's it's [TS]

  pretty impressive so I've been liking it [TS]

  quite a lot but it's it's been 90% Mario [TS]

  Kart 10% Zelda spam on timers although I [TS]

  have some other game recommendations for [TS]

  you those and things to be excited about [TS]

  please please do you a sonic person uh [TS]

  I'm happy to try some sonic have you [TS]

  played any sonic in your life I played I [TS]

  like vague vaguely when I was a kid I [TS]

  played sonic so there is a game it's [TS]

  just come out on a bunch of different [TS]

  platforms but it came out like a couple [TS]

  of days ago called sonic mania and sonic [TS]

  mania was has been developed is the Sega [TS]

  game as an official Sonic game [TS]

  but the person who made site mania had [TS]

  been making like Sonic fan games hmm [TS]

  they were so good [TS]

  Sega hired them and they were like make [TS]

  the next Sonic that's that's what you [TS]

  want to do when you're hiring a thing is [TS]

  like find someone who's doing it [TS]

  amazingly for free and hire them and the [TS]

  sonic franchise has struggled really [TS]

  badly over the years as Sega have [TS]

  attempted and failed to modernize Sonic [TS]

  rather than putting him in like 3d [TS]

  worlds and stuff this is a old school [TS]

  may as well have been on the Megadrive [TS]

  looking sonic and it is a sublime it is [TS]

  so good [TS]

  and it's like 15 pounds it's fat it's [TS]

  absolutely fantastic [TS]

  I recommend that one yes the few games [TS]

  coming out some point this year that I [TS]

  think you'll be excited about have you [TS]

  ever heard of stardew valley people have [TS]

  recommended it to me [TS]

  but I don't actually have any [TS]

  familiarity with it it is a farming [TS]

  simulator type game close to Animal [TS]

  Crossing and it's in way in a way and [TS]

  you I think that it is again you will [TS]

  probably end up liking cuz you you know [TS]

  you're just farming right like that's [TS]

  kind of the idea but it's in this like [TS]

  cool kind of retro art style and there [TS]

  are like little missions and things that [TS]

  you can complete as well as just tending [TS]

  to your farm and growing the farm and [TS]

  building the relationships with the [TS]

  people in the town and it is a game that [TS]

  has been incredibly popular on Steam and [TS]

  it's coming to the switch at some point [TS]

  this year that's one that I want I think [TS]

  that you should keep on your radar [TS]

  because I think that I think that you [TS]

  would like that game knowing the type of [TS]

  work games that you'd like this is like [TS]

  a really popular work game booth so [TS]

  that's one farming I don't know it [TS]

  sounds boring Mike [TS]

  that doesn't sound sound like that [TS]

  sounds exciting is truckin no it doesn't [TS]

  not even close and there's a Mario game [TS]

  coming out called Mario Odyssey which [TS]

  looks like it just looks so good and [TS]

  people that have played it alike maybe [TS]

  this is the game of the year and not [TS]

  zelda like so that is mind-blowing to me [TS]

  that there could be a game better than [TS]

  zelda because i think [TS]

  is it 3d Mario reading 3d Mario I know I [TS]

  know I prefer to do Mario but 3d Mario [TS]

  games can be good and this one looked [TS]

  really weird in a great way I feel like [TS]

  in my own my own gaming history where [TS]

  Nintendo and I parted ways was with the [TS]

  n64 and with 3d Mario I just I never [TS]

  crossed that bridge effective change [TS]

  yeah and it is also a thing genuinely in [TS]

  the Zelda game that like I just find it [TS]

  sort of like we were talking about [TS]

  before that there's there is a real [TS]

  skill to learning how to indirectly [TS]

  control something in a video game using [TS]

  a hand controller as opposed to iPad [TS]

  games where you're just touching things [TS]

  on the screen I think there is something [TS]

  about the like separate camera control [TS]

  versus character movement that I just I [TS]

  never feel perfectly comfortable with it [TS]

  and it is a thing that catches me out in [TS]

  Zelda all the time as well is the like [TS]

  oh I need to turn my guy and turn the [TS]

  camera at the same time like I just I [TS]

  find it weird and kind of I don't want [TS]

  to say clunky but clunky is kind of what [TS]

  I would I feel about it you know [TS]

  whereas I much prefer like I wish there [TS]

  was a button I could press words like I [TS]

  just go into first person mode with [TS]

  Zelda like why do I have to look at this [TS]

  guy [TS]

  I don't want to look at him let the [TS]

  screen just be my eyes like it's doom or [TS]

  quake like that that's what I want but I [TS]

  so that's why I'm not super thrilled to [TS]

  hear about a 3d Mario it's like I never [TS]

  I never crossed that bridge in the n64 [TS]

  and I we weren't we didn't get along we [TS]

  weren't really friends Super Nintendo [TS]

  that was that was the peak for me and [TS]

  that's where I that's where that's where [TS]

  I left Nintendo well I'll let you know [TS]

  what I think of it when it comes out but [TS]

  that that seems like it could be an [TS]

  issue for you hmm [TS]

  I think it could be I think it could be [TS]

  Mike I'm pleased that you have one [TS]

  though yeah [TS]

  I mean honestly just from Mario Kart [TS]

  it's worth it because Mario Kart is so [TS]

  fun like it it really is but it I have [TS]

  to say it is interesting because we were [TS]

  talking about pricing models last time [TS]

  about apps going subscription like or [TS]

  doing pay upfront and it is a it is a [TS]

  funny thing too [TS]

  you have a gaming system back in my life [TS]

  which I haven't had since the Super [TS]

  Nintendo and to to see the prices that [TS]

  are required for like real in-depth [TS]

  video games that are not going to have [TS]

  in-app purchase bullet inside of them [TS]

  and it's like I remember as a kid like [TS]

  video games felt really expensive and [TS]

  the Nintendo switch does bring that back [TS]

  to some extent it's like whole Boy [TS]

  these games are expensive yeah but I [TS]

  like I I really feel happy to support [TS]

  that kind of stuff like I would much [TS]

  rather pay a bunch for a game and not [TS]

  feel like I'm being nickeled and dimed [TS]

  and to death in the game and it's like [TS]

  but if you if you want to make a game [TS]

  company that is sustainable it's like [TS]

  you're gonna need to pay way more than [TS]

  you're used to on the iPad for these [TS]

  games so I was like I don't I forget [TS]

  exactly what the price of Mario was but [TS]

  it was like woof [TS]

  but I'm happy to do it it would have [TS]

  been in probably around 40 pounds or [TS]

  something [TS]

  Thank You Sophia that's a little ticket [TS]

  game right li qfp and you're paying a [TS]

  big price but these are experiences that [TS]

  won't exist otherwise and I think [TS]

  they're worth it right like it exactly I [TS]

  strongly believe in it yeah that's what [TS]

  I mean to emphasize is like if you're if [TS]

  you were used to [TS]

  iPhone games like the Nintendo switch is [TS]

  an expensive proposition but like one of [TS]

  the reasons I like Nintendo is is that [TS]

  they just they feel very worth it as a [TS]

  company like they make interesting [TS]

  things they make really fun things and I [TS]

  think Mario Kart is just a great example [TS]

  of that of like game that could be fun [TS]

  with a bunch of people that can be [TS]

  relatively approachable and fun for [TS]

  total newbies so I am I am very happy to [TS]

  give Nintendo my money when I have the [TS]

  opportunity to and so now I have I've [TS]

  done it with the switch talking about [TS]

  things that you pay money for and get [TS]

  really good value out of great oh look [TS]

  at you look at you like so we only ever [TS]

  talked about this once a year on the [TS]

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  the membership every year a whole host [TS]

  of relay FM shows put together a bonus [TS]

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  that like mash together and create [TS]

  something cool and awesome and they [TS]

  happen throughout August and September [TS]

  and last year me and you and Jason snow [TS]

  who is my co-host on upgrade we came [TS]

  together and we did a text adventure [TS]

  called six-gun showdown and it was [TS]

  fantastic and we had a really great time [TS]

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  met snaky and we died a lot that's what [TS]

  happened I got I gotta say to just [TS]

  interject here I was very dubious about [TS]

  this proposition last year huh I don't [TS]

  know if you remember all of the poking [TS]

  and prodding that you had to do y [TS]

  remember to go along with a seven-month [TS]

  process it took picture you forgotten it [TS]

  I don't think it would have left a big [TS]

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  resistant and that was it ended up being [TS]

  just a really fun experience and a very [TS]

  different kind of thing to do and I I [TS]

  really loved doing six gun showdown last [TS]

  year like it was super fun and I have to [TS]

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  get doing a podcast for people liked it [TS]

  it was just a it was just a fun [TS]

  experience for everyone so I was [TS]

  resistant but it worked out really well [TS]

  in the end so this year it was way [TS]

  easier to convince great because we did [TS]

  it again so that does the run-up to we [TS]

  have done the same thing again but with [TS]

  a different adventure yep we did another [TS]

  text adventure [TS]

  you mean Snell we recorded it together a [TS]

  couple weeks ago you have been a busy [TS]

  busy Mike [TS]

  editing it all together you've sent me a [TS]

  few drafts you have if I if I can say [TS]

  and gone above and beyond with adding in [TS]

  atmospheric sound effects is is a is the [TS]

  high production value text adventure [TS]

  that we have done in podcast format yeah [TS]

  I'm very proud of myself I'm not gonna [TS]

  lie I'm very proud of myself [TS]

  I went high concept with this one and I [TS]

  think I pulled it off we participate in [TS]

  a text adventure called spooky Manor mmm [TS]

  I think that's all you need to know [TS]

  really to assume what the theme of the [TS]

  episode is but we do have a trailer so [TS]

  you can get an idea of the flavor which [TS]

  are gonna play at the end of the episode [TS]

  now if you want to get access to spooky [TS]

  Manor which is the cortex bonus with and [TS]

  you also get six kancho down a long way [TS]

  of so much bonus content it's almost [TS]

  overwhelming there is so much amazing [TS]

  stuff that happened last year which you [TS]

  can find in the feed that you'll get [TS]

  sent along with all of the great [TS]

  specials that we've got happening this [TS]

  year [TS]

  spooky Manor the bonus for this show and [TS]

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  the 25th of August so if you've become a [TS]

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  we would really appreciate it [TS]

  it just helps you know it's a great [TS]

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  and I promise you spooky Manor is worth [TS]

  your money like I'm very proud of it I [TS]

  think we're all really proud of it we [TS]

  worked hard on it and I think that [TS]

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  there are so many bonuses you even [TS]

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  boop I will be your parser we are going [TS]

  to be participating in parsley episode [TS]

  number 3 [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  so my instinct right now is to unlock [TS]

  the padlock and wrap the chain around my [TS]

  fist computer is this something that you [TS]

  would permit there's no way the [TS]

  computers gonna let you do that I don't [TS]

  understand computer is there something [TS]

  you would permit okay you ride your bike [TS]

  north over the rough cobblestone path [TS]

  the bikes tires are horribly damaged as [TS]

  you drive to the north so you look at [TS]

  your tires and think to yourself oh dear [TS]

  how am I going to get home now all right [TS]

  smash doesn't the chain I'm sorry you [TS]

  can't do that I mean I can you haven't [TS]

  seen me with a chain I think you're [TS]

  missing the difference between fantasy [TS]

  role-playing game and a text adventure [TS]

  text adventures have cruel unfeeling [TS]

  parsers that just reject you when you [TS]

  try interesting things like smashing a [TS]

  pheasant on a table with a chain okay [TS]

  exit crypt you go into the crypt it [TS]

  smells of mold and decay but its sole [TS]

  occupant appears perfectly preserved [TS]

  look at occupant the body of a pale [TS]

  young woman lies dead on a granite slab [TS]

  around her neck is a front door key oh [TS]

  no wait pull on Dante's Inferno in dirt [TS]

  you pull on the copy of Dante's Inferno [TS]

  a chute opens beneath you and you fall [TS]

  down down down far far below why can you [TS]

  know just wait I feel like I have [TS]

  achieved exactly what I wanted to do [TS]

  there is a monstrous wolf chained to the [TS]

  wall she goes [TS]

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