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◼   ► so I was asking Marco what his all-time

◼   ► favorite game was in the terms of not

◼   ► just out of nostalgia and what you

◼   ► thought was cool and what you loved but

◼   ► something that you would play right now

◼   ► again and enjoy it almost as much as the

◼   ► first time because you know who can

◼   ► recreate the first time but pretty darn

◼   ► close that you would feel like this is

◼   ► it just this is what I want to play

◼   ► right now and it will be so much fun and

◼   ► it'll be great and in any kind of

◼   ► situation that you found that the game

◼   ► was great the first time so whether it's

◼   ► the best multiplayer or single-player it

◼   ► doesn't matter however you wanted to

◼   ► play the game and that was what made it

◼   ► the best for you so what were your picks

◼   ► huh well your pick I think was more

◼   ► interesting well so my picks were first

◼   ► portal second half-life 2 third what was

◼   ► my third last of us that that's right oh

◼   ► my goodness last of us which I most

◼   ► recently played and forth was Dead

◼   ► Rising because who doesn't love sticking

◼   ► shower heads into the top Saddam B's and

◼   ► seeing blood come out which is awesome

◼   ► lucky him also broke a lot of new ground

◼   ► right it was just like this huge like it

◼   ► was just great going through the mall

◼   ► tons of zombies and just going you could

◼   ► either play through it or with like you

◼   ► know the scenarios or you just go nuts

◼   ► killing zombies like thousands at a time

◼   ► it was amazing so yeah who wouldn't have

◼   ► fun doing that again no matter what

◼   ► Adams asking for help anyway yeah so

◼   ► yeah

◼   ► portals my first one because it's just a

◼   ► brilliant witty wonderful game that I

◼   ► think has a lot of replay value and is

◼   ► fun and funny to me every time I play it

◼   ► you know every time I'm hearing

◼   ► something different I'm going even

◼   ► though you go through the polls again

◼   ► it's it's just great so I think that my

◼   ► go-to favorite game definitely portal

◼   ► because I will play it again at any time

◼   ► and it still brings me joy

◼   ► so my second favorite which was halfway

◼   ► to which I has found incredibly joyful

◼   ► to play and just because of the

◼   ► storyline very similar to why I loved

◼   ► the Last of Us I would enjoy playing

◼   ► that again because I'm a rewatch er of

◼   ► movies this is no I like to play games

◼   ► with good stories over and over again

◼   ► because I just wanted to quote unquote

◼   ► see that movie again so it's the same

◼   ► reason why I reread books I'm just a

◼   ► rewatch er I like the comfort of a story

◼   ► that I know because I don't like the

◼   ► risk of wasting my time on uh something

◼   ► that's gonna suck and you don't have

◼   ► that much time you uh you need to decide

◼   ► what you're gonna do with it so I'd

◼   ► rather stick with something I know so

◼   ► why I stick with you I mean not kidding

◼   ► anyway uh I love you need a bill well we

◼   ► were also discussing a little bit before

◼   ► we decided to jump onto a Mike was Marco

◼   ► and I used to play multiplayer half-life

◼   ► 1 together the original half-life

◼   ► half-life 1 deathmatch not just not

◼   ► counter-strike just the actual

◼   ► deathmatch from half-life 1 with all

◼   ► those crazy maps and the rats maps and

◼   ► kill box

◼   ► I love the rats maps I loved going there

◼   ► all those little holes and running

◼   ► around the houses falling in the sink it

◼   ► was great I think kill box is my

◼   ► favorite half-life one deathmatch matter

◼   ► I would just always die and kill box you

◼   ► always wanted to play it and I thought

◼   ► it was funny just that it existed but I

◼   ► would I would always die every time well

◼   ► one of the best things about kill box is

◼   ► that it was one of the very few maps and

◼   ► maybe maybe this was remedied after we

◼   ► stopped playing but at least in the

◼   ► first couple of years it was one of the

◼   ► very few maps that you could have fun

◼   ► playing with only two people and that

◼   ► that was extremely unusual and so if you

◼   ► had like you and a friend on a land and

◼   ► there was no one else around because

◼   ► everything sucked back then you could

◼   ► still have tons of fun or I said I

◼   ► pretty much any other map required like

◼   ► you know at least for 4 to 6 people to

◼   ► have any fun on did I play on my laptop

◼   ► and you played on the desktop yep we did

◼   ► that on my Toshiba year-old tooshie but

◼   ► before I converted you to Apple products

◼   ► that's right before I convert it to

◼   ► Apple Prada

◼   ► both on PCs yeah I had to convert you to

◼   ► Windows 2000 and wasn't that the biggest

◼   ► step in our relationship that I allowed

◼   ► you to change my operating system that

◼   ► was that was a huge step you started out

◼   ► running I don't think it was any I think

◼   ► it was 98 it was the beginning of our

◼   ► real commitment together yeah mm-hmm you

◼   ► know you got to build trust slowly

◼   ► exactly but anyways so Marco your top

◼   ► games because Marco is tricky

◼   ► see this is a very telling question

◼   ► because Marco is not a gamer I'm a

◼   ► slight gamer I would say but you know

◼   ► Marco he used to play more games than he

◼   ► does now yeah I was more of a gamer like

◼   ► in high school in college and before

◼   ► high school you know you saw the kid but

◼   ► I pretty much stopped playing games

◼   ► around the time college college ended

◼   ► just because I I you know I started

◼   ► working and started programming more on

◼   ► the side and just decided I I just never

◼   ► really got into spending my time playing

◼   ► games as opposed to like programming

◼   ► pursuits that I wanted to do instead you

◼   ► did play half-life 2 though yeah College

◼   ► yeah I built a gaming PC right after I

◼   ► graduated from college and it was the

◼   ► least used computer I've ever owned

◼   ► because I also at the same time bought

◼   ► my first Mac laptop and and pretty

◼   ► quickly switched entirely to using Mac's

◼   ► full time so I had this

◼   ► that's nice Pentium 4 gaming PC sitting

◼   ► there doing almost nothing that I pretty

◼   ► much built just to play half-life 2 we

◼   ► both played it on there so yeah there we

◼   ► go yeah I didn't at the time I didn't

◼   ► know I was building it just to play

◼   ► half-life 2 and it probably wasn't worth

◼   ► it in retrospect I guess still picture

◼   ► sitting there in the desk in the corner

◼   ► of the room and I'm turning off all of

◼   ► the pound II things in half-life 2 and

◼   ► Markos behind me cracking up laughing

◼   ► and I'm like what cuz I thought you had

◼   ► to turn them all off because the first

◼   ► one you get to it's on NVIDIA law states

◼   ► that when you come to something with a

◼   ► switch you should flip it exactly so I

◼   ► went around almost dying at every turn

◼   ► and like running like hell to try and

◼   ► turn all these things off never

◼   ► realizing they're keeping the outlines

◼   ► away normally you flip a switch and then

◼   ► often after you flip a switch the next

◼   ► stage of the level opens up

◼   ► and a bunch of enemies come at you so it

◼   ► was a totally normal thing for you to

◼   ► find a switch that was on turn it off

◼   ► and all of a sudden you're rushed by

◼   ► enemies I love that you're justifying my

◼   ► ridiculousness and I love you for that I

◼   ► mean it was hilarious to don't get me

◼   ► wrong I can hear you laughing I didn't

◼   ► understand why you were laughing at that

◼   ► time why are we I'm like I'm just

◼   ► playing a game this is hard why are you

◼   ► laughing yeah you begged me to tell you

◼   ► and I said when you beat the game I'll

◼   ► tell you I was laughing yeah the second

◼   ► playthrough was so much easier oh my god

◼   ► that game was a joke after that oh my

◼   ► god and I played on hard so there we go

◼   ► anyway so yeah number one game mr.

◼   ► Herman I mean for me number everything

◼   ► past number one I have no idea it's it's

◼   ► a tough it's a tough ranking but number

◼   ► one is clear and that is total

◼   ► annihilation no question total

◼   ► annihilation it I've always been a big

◼   ► fan of RTS games I spent a lot of time

◼   ► playing Total Annihilation Land games in

◼   ► in high school and I was a part of the

◼   ► community I ran a fan site for a little

◼   ► while I made my own third party units

◼   ► that were terrible I was so into that

◼   ► game and it kind of makes me sad that

◼   ► that real time strategy games have not

◼   ► died out but are pretty out of fashion I

◼   ► mean I don't think we're see we're gonna

◼   ► see a lot of them I mean already you'd

◼   ► only see a good RTS game maybe once

◼   ► every 5 or 10 years or rather you'd only

◼   ► see a great one every 5 or 10 years like

◼   ► like you know after ta came out they

◼   ► were a bunch of other ones like I

◼   ► thought command & Conquer generals was a

◼   ► very good game I didn't think it was

◼   ► great but it was very good it was a lot

◼   ► of fun you know it was nowhere near

◼   ► balanced it was completely ridiculous

◼   ► once you could fill the buses with

◼   ► rocket people that was that was it but

◼   ► it was a it was a it was a very good fun

◼   ► game but Total Annihilation is a great

◼   ► game and there are very very few great

◼   ► RTS a--'s and they come out very

◼   ► infrequently and I I'm not sure we've

◼   ► had one since then I mean I certainly

◼   ► have not gotten into one as much that

◼   ► doesn't mean anything you know there

◼   ► even it had successors

◼   ► Kingdoms was terrible but we all knew

◼   ► that supreme commander was was the was

◼   ► like the kind of unofficial sequel to it

◼   ► and that was good but I never got like

◼   ► because a super meter came out when I

◼   ► was already in the workforce so like I

◼   ► was past the time where I could easily

◼   ► play with my high school friends so I

◼   ► think this this is probably kind of like

◼   ► you know you only think the music that

◼   ► you liked when you were a teenager is

◼   ► the best music and everything that came

◼   ► after that sucked most of because at the

◼   ► time you had like that was the music you

◼   ► were discovering kind of like with an

◼   ► adult dish mine for the first time and

◼   ► you were forming your own tastes and you

◼   ► had all this time to just listen to

◼   ► music and do nothing else cuz back then

◼   ► everything sucked there was no you know

◼   ► Facebook or anything maybe that was

◼   ► better but regardless you know there

◼   ► probably have been better RTS games that

◼   ► have come out since ta and I just

◼   ► haven't noticed them but I I don't think

◼   ► I'll ever recapture that again and the

◼   ► problem is you know playing an RTS game

◼   ► that shines on lands and that's a PC

◼   ► game not a console game that that's kind

◼   ► of like playing high school football

◼   ► once you're out of high school like you

◼   ► can't really ever get together and do

◼   ► that very easily again you know like

◼   ► it's like it's the kind of activity it's

◼   ► like that's a want like I was in

◼   ► marching band too it's another thing I

◼   ► love Martin being a marching band but

◼   ► like in school right like there is no

◼   ► Westchester County marching band for 32

◼   ► year olds like that's and I don't think

◼   ► yeah I don't think I would want to be in

◼   ► one or rather I shouldn't be in one even

◼   ► if they probably have a Facebook group

◼   ► if they do exist yeah that was Facebook

◼   ► well I mean like my game during that

◼   ► same era of my life was Starcraft and I

◼   ► played the hell out of that game you

◼   ► know I played it all the time with my

◼   ► friends I played it I played through the

◼   ► whole campaigns I I did the whole thing

◼   ► but you know I don't have the same

◼   ► nostalgia for it I just that's it it

◼   ► isn't as good of a game probably not

◼   ► because I just don't feel that love for

◼   ► it but at the time it was all I played

◼   ► you know I play all the time battlenet

◼   ► we did like I know the lurker D and all

◼   ► that kind of same leg like it just I

◼   ► play that game so much and

◼   ► it's just it's not in it's not in my top

◼   ► five see to me Starcraft you know when

◼   ► Starcraft 2 came out if actually a few

◼   ► months after total Total Annihilation

◼   ► did if I remember correctly it was it

◼   ► was shortly afterwards and one of the

◼   ► big problems ta had in the market was

◼   ► that it required a very high-end

◼   ► computer when it came out and almost

◼   ► nobody had a computer powerful enough to

◼   ► run it at the time it came out and

◼   ► within you know two years that wasn't a

◼   ► problem anymore but that too during that

◼   ► two-year Starcraft came out and had way

◼   ► lower system requirements Starcraft cuz

◼   ► ta was actually rendering everything in

◼   ► software rendered 3d it was except the

◼   ► land but all the units and everything

◼   ► everything was he was actually 3d before

◼   ► 3d cards could really accelerate that so

◼   ► everything was done in software and star

◼   ► but Starcraft sorry Starbucks was also a

◼   ► terrible Starcraft was a purely 2d game

◼   ► everything about it was 2d and and it

◼   ► showed and I think and Starcraft so not

◼   ► only was it way easier on the hardware

◼   ► at the time so it was more accessible to

◼   ► people but it was also just an easier

◼   ► simpler game there are way fewer units

◼   ► you were dealing with much smaller

◼   ► numbers of units in battles like in tau

◼   ► would frequently have battles that

◼   ► included 400 units C and when I was

◼   ► playing I never even heard of TA and as

◼   ► a little secret this is the first time

◼   ► revealed to Marco the reason I got into

◼   ► StarCraft was because my dad brought it

◼   ► home and I thought it was neat so I was

◼   ► expecting way worse yeah that's really

◼   ► not that yeah my dad started playing at

◼   ► first yeah took that over so yeah I I

◼   ► think Starcraft I was never that into it

◼   ► so I can't really judge that accurately

◼   ► but I would I would ballpark it as being

◼   ► of similar quality as command and

◼   ► conquer generals which is it's a good

◼   ► game and it's fun but it's not

◼   ► necessarily maybe a great game now

◼   ► didn't we play Civ 3 together no we

◼   ► played rise of Nations

◼   ► that's right national one we're like you

◼   ► slowly advanced dirt through the years

◼   ► yeah Army's get better and like if

◼   ► you're on horses and then you have tanks

◼   ► yep yep yep okay resignation because it

◼   ► was kind of like a follow-on to the Age

◼   ► of Empires games yeah yeah we enjoyed

◼   ► playing that you tried to get me to play

◼   ► TA and I just

◼   ► and I couldn't love it with you so yeah

◼   ► well and bye that's my like like me and

◼   ► all my friends were complete ta experts

◼   ► and when you're playing with a bunch of

◼   ► experts as the newbie it's not very fun

◼   ► no you know and Tia and like starcraft

◼   ► ta also has a much higher learning curve

◼   ► because there are so many more unit

◼   ► types and everything you know the tech

◼   ► tree is way bigger and everything just

◼   ► everything's bigger and just has a bit

◼   ► more of learning curve to it so that's

◼   ► why ta didn't do as well on the market a

◼   ► Starcraft that and the system

◼   ► requirements being way higher but I

◼   ► still maintain that you know I mean

◼   ► chess has a learning curve doesn't make

◼   ► it a bad game also all those games

◼   ► they're not very good watching games you

◼   ► know like all of my top games are great

◼   ► watching games yeah it's it is they have

◼   ► stories it's like watching a movie so if

◼   ► you're just sitting with someone playing

◼   ► a video game and you're the watcher you

◼   ► know which I actually love watching

◼   ► people play video games it's pretty not

◼   ► that kind yeah just not uh you know

◼   ► things like TA and Starcraft it's just

◼   ► who wants to see it's just not fun yeah

◼   ► there's no story it's all about the

◼   ► battles right it's personal it's too

◼   ► personal

◼   ► exactly there was even I was reading

◼   ► this article a couple months ago about

◼   ► it was like it was like the German board

◼   ► game designers they keep making all

◼   ► these great German board games that we

◼   ► all love like Settlers of Catan and

◼   ► Porter and Puerto Rico and stuff like

◼   ► that

◼   ► Agricola however that's pronounced I'm

◼   ► sorry and you know all these games and

◼   ► they share a lot of the same qualities

◼   ► of like what makes a game fun or not fun

◼   ► and they were something big ranking and

◼   ► like monopoly was ranked as one of the

◼   ► least fun games and honestly monopoly

◼   ► gets a bad rap I was an expert monopoly

◼   ► player for like two years and so one fun

◼   ► playing with Marco because he's so

◼   ► serious with monopoly well monopoly gets

◼   ► a bad rap because the number one

◼   ► complaint people have about it is it it

◼   ► takes too long the reason it takes too

◼   ► long is because you have to wait until

◼   ► everybody goes bankrupt and the way

◼   ► people think they're making the game

◼   ► easier and more fun for their family is

◼   ► they have these house rules that inject

◼   ► money into the game like oh if you land

◼   ► on a free parking you get $500 or

◼   ► whatever like all these like these rules

◼   ► that

◼   ► add money to the game and if you're

◼   ► adding money and you're waiting for me

◼   ► to go bankrupt that's gonna take longer

◼   ► so all the house rules that supposedly

◼   ► make monopolies easier make it longer

◼   ► and so if you actually play by the rules

◼   ► it doesn't take as long but anyway yeah

◼   ► it only takes four hours instead of

◼   ► eight it does not take four hours I mean

◼   ► if you're playing with people who

◼   ► already know how to play the game and

◼   ► don't take forever to make their turns

◼   ► you can complete monopoly game in like

◼   ► an hour and a half

◼   ► what's your monopoly piece wait let me

◼   ► try and guess the race car of course

◼   ► yeah all right what's my monopoly piece

◼   ► hmm if you were playing today if I'm

◼   ► playing

◼   ► always maybe the thimble oh yeah I

◼   ► forgot about the pimple did I just

◼   ► change your piece

◼   ► no I guess I have two favorite pieces

◼   ► awesome I have a backup strategy the

◼   ► backup piece in case you ready case

◼   ► somebody takes it well I could I like I

◼   ► like the pieces that I can interact with

◼   ► while fiddling so you know just like I

◼   ► like games where you can easily stack

◼   ► the pieces I like I like the iron

◼   ► because it has the little handle and I

◼   ► like the thimble because you can put it

◼   ► on your finger that makes sense yeah all

◼   ► the other pieces you can't really

◼   ► interact with them or like the ones like

◼   ► like the the horse statue that just like

◼   ► falls over so easily yeah that one's got

◼   ► a dog those both got adorable and but

◼   ► it's very highly contested so I just

◼   ► rather stay out of that fight and even

◼   ► though it's very much domestic Betty of

◼   ► me too you know like the thimble and the

◼   ► iron even though I hate ironing Marco

◼   ► did all the ironing was you have a nice

◼   ► fancy iron that you use at Christmas

◼   ► that's for large amounts of fabric for

◼   ► like ironing clothes well you don't

◼   ► worry with my wardrobe now yes nothing

◼   ► to do except for replace your shirts

◼   ► exactly which I do don't you know I

◼   ► literally do nothing online shopping is

◼   ► wonderful so go back to monopoly yeah

◼   ► and what the reason we're done oh the

◼   ► reason I brought that up is because like

◼   ► there is this article I'll have to blame

◼   ► to it for the show notes for the show

◼   ► that isn't a real show and there was

◼   ► some article it was saying like you know

◼   ► what makes games fun and everything and

◼   ► one of the principles that makes games

◼   ► fun is if one player can have like a

◼   ► pretty clear victory early on and like

◼   ► everyone kind of knows like that

◼   ► person's probably gonna win but you but

◼   ► like everyone has to play it through

◼   ► anyway that is less fun right and also

◼   ► one of the less fun things is if there's

◼   ► player elimination in mid game so like

◼   ► if someone it like officially loses the

◼   ► game

◼   ► but then the game doesn't actually end

◼   ► for the other players for a while like

◼   ► monopoly if you go back exactly so you

◼   ► can look at video games and a lot of

◼   ► them you know a lot of the multiplayer

◼   ► games have these similar problems yeah

◼   ► when you're playing like the bond games

◼   ► and then one person dies and then you're

◼   ► like well go get a drink I guess well

◼   ► you know you just respawned oh don't you

◼   ► know like deathmatch games or don't have

◼   ► this problem like the team-based games

◼   ► have a very slight version works like

◼   ► there's something that you really like a

◼   ► delay we're like you have to wait to get

◼   ► back into it and like yeah that's really

◼   ► it's a really short delay usually it's

◼   ► not it's nice it's not significant like

◼   ► you might have to wait for your whole

◼   ► team to die or something but you're

◼   ► you're waiting maybe thirty seconds to

◼   ► two minutes you know you know you're not

◼   ► waiting hours Tim where am I thinking of

◼   ► it like he was totally getting knocked

◼   ► out well in lots of games I mean but the

◼   ► reason I brought this up is like RTS is

◼   ► have this problem where like they have

◼   ► they have both these problems where it

◼   ► you can often often very early on it's

◼   ► very clear if one person's gonna win and

◼   ► they had like they have such a

◼   ► commanding leave is so obviously to the

◼   ► other players but you just kind of have

◼   ► to wait until they come around and kill

◼   ► you all that's no good and also if

◼   ► you're playing a RTS round with more

◼   ► than one of the person so if there's if

◼   ► there's more than two players in a game

◼   ► and you're the guy who gets killed right

◼   ► you know in the middle slash no rush

◼   ► right yeah if you're kind of person in

◼   ► your olds it rush your base and kill you

◼   ► with like three Zerg and that's it all

◼   ► right

◼   ► and that's so so death so that makes

◼   ► them less fun with if you if you're if

◼   ► you die first and have to sit around

◼   ► waiting for your friends to finish the

◼   ► game before you play the game and then

◼   ► online as you just mention like the

◼   ► reason I see I only ever played RTS

◼   ► games with my friends

◼   ► uh yeah other people online are totals

◼   ► right like lately there are certain

◼   ► certain game types can tolerate like big

◼   ► mismatches and skill and have it not be

◼   ► totally unfun for everybody else and

◼   ► some

◼   ► times it involves like you know giving

◼   ► the people who are less skilled of bonus

◼   ► stuff look like it like Mario Cart does

◼   ► like that they're rubber banding they

◼   ► call it of like mm-hmm

◼   ► keeping with like artificially keeping

◼   ► the players closer in the game but like

◼   ► an RTS doesn't have that and so like

◼   ► every time I try to play an RTS online I

◼   ► would go into you know some lobby if

◼   ► something started a game with some

◼   ► people and I would just I would die

◼   ► within like five minutes it's like to

◼   ► get what you know these are people who

◼   ► were like really advanced players who

◼   ► knew all like this the special build

◼   ► order to optimally come and rush people

◼   ► as soon as possible I mean the same

◼   ► thing happens for first-person shooters

◼   ► to though you go online and they just

◼   ► like blow your head off the second you

◼   ► walk out and that's it like it's over I

◼   ► feel like with the first-person shooters

◼   ► they like you have you at least have a

◼   ► chance like get one shot off sometimes

◼   ► and the most recent 13 year olds they're

◼   ► brutal

◼   ► oh my gosh they are too good at games

◼   ► well I loved the Last of Us so I tried

◼   ► to play it online for like two seconds

◼   ► and forget it oh it was over they were

◼   ► like you're ruining our team you're dead

◼   ► and that's it and I was like I'm so out

◼   ► of my league yes go back to my quiet

◼   ► living room maybe why I stopped really

◼   ► playing games as an adult because like

◼   ► my friends are my friends were used to

◼   ► play games with in college in high

◼   ► school they're all you know different

◼   ► states different things they have jobs

◼   ► they have kids whatever like so what

◼   ► about kids but you would love journey

◼   ► john shoutout to you

◼   ► journeys great online cuz you don't have

◼   ► to really interact with anyone cuz no

◼   ► one can kill you well this is this is

◼   ► part of the reason why like these days

◼   ► if i'm gonna play a game at all i really

◼   ► care more about either either like a

◼   ► casual game that you can just play with

◼   ► anybody you know like letterpress like

◼   ► in a turn-based like you know

◼   ► intellectual games that are not that not

◼   ► that hard you know for people like not

◼   ► that big of a skill gap it becomes a

◼   ► problem there so the things like

◼   ► letterpress or these games that have

◼   ► really good single-player modes that I

◼   ► never even even either isn't a

◼   ► multiplayer mode or I don't need to play

◼   ► it to really enjoy the game I think I

◼   ► think games like Draw Something where

◼   ► people's vastly different skill levels

◼   ► make it even better because someone who

◼   ► can draw amazing makes it fun because

◼   ► they can draw amazing and then

◼   ► someone who draws awful makes it fun

◼   ► because it's hilarious how awful people

◼   ► draw things but yeah you can still guess

◼   ► what it is exactly is that game still

◼   ► around

◼   ► didn't they sell like a gazillion

◼   ► dollars to somebody that was a good

◼   ► story so we know the guy Charles who

◼   ► Charles Horman who was the founder of

◼   ► like with you oh my god oh my god he's a

◼   ► character if you're listening Charles

◼   ► you are great he's not listening but

◼   ► anyway yeah no that was a good story

◼   ► actually so so that it was this company

◼   ► called Ivan like with you that first was

◼   ► some kind of like like dating game and

◼   ► then he it was and it was all flat it

◼   ► was this big flash game for the web

◼   ► browser this is all before this was a

◼   ► couple years before the iPhone I was

◼   ► like 2006 within seven you're right in

◼   ► the beginning a tumbler yeah yeah yeah

◼   ► so is this big flash game he very

◼   ► quickly discovered that rather than like

◼   ► scoring these points that you could use

◼   ► for dating purposes which is what it

◼   ► originally was he discovered this making

◼   ► making casual flash games was way easier

◼   ► to get people to care about it and use

◼   ► it and there was way more money in that

◼   ► so this first insight pivoted into that

◼   ► and so even though it was called I'm in

◼   ► like with you it was just these these

◼   ► like stupid games it had nothing to do

◼   ► with dating and it eventually in tons

◼   ► and tons and tons of stupid games right

◼   ► it was like like you know how like most

◼   ► of the first games for the we were like

◼   ► collections of mini games Charles's

◼   ► stuff put that to shame like there would

◼   ► be so many of these things like anyway

◼   ► and then see it was renamed OMG pop and

◼   ► that's what it was for a while and then

◼   ► one of the games they made for that for

◼   ► that site that was just a collection of

◼   ► flash games one of the games they made

◼   ► eventually whether and I don't know

◼   ► whether it was flash first or not but

◼   ► was draw something so you and you can

◼   ► tell me that it looks like it looks like

◼   ► a casual flash game it's like hangman

◼   ► for drawing yeah like it just it looks

◼   ► like it was made by flash developers

◼   ► because it was and it plays like a

◼   ► casual flash game because it basically

◼   ► is so that came out and his company was

◼   ► basically in shambles at this point

◼   ► far as I know I don't have any inside

◼   ► info because we stopped talking to them

◼   ► you know we just stopped seeing him cuz

◼   ► we moved out of the city we stopped

◼   ► seeing everybody yeah yeah so we you

◼   ► know I haven't talked to Charles Foreman

◼   ► and since 2006 I think but but from what

◼   ► I've heard his company was really like

◼   ► in shambles and and they happen to have

◼   ► this one game draw something that was

◼   ► taking off like crazy on the iPhone and

◼   ► iPad and right at the peak of that game

◼   ► when it was as big as it could possibly

◼   ► be

◼   ► Zynga bought their company for like a

◼   ► gajillion dollars for some massive

◼   ► amount of money Zynga bought the whole

◼   ► company which was in shambles and then

◼   ► and it turned out Zynga bought them

◼   ► literally at the peak of draw something

◼   ► like the game started plummeting and you

◼   ► see because you know it was a fad so

◼   ► right after the game was bought but a

◼   ► chillin playing it for like three days

◼   ► and like everyone played it yeah every

◼   ► like even my dad was playing it we were

◼   ► laughs its Derek about everyone's

◼   ► drawings oh yes everyone was playing it

◼   ► but then it just dropped like a rock and

◼   ► this would be a terrible story for the

◼   ► person who bought it if it wasn't Zynga

◼   ► who's just evil like so

◼   ► nobody ever should feel any sorrow for

◼   ► Zynga for anything so it's great like

◼   ► it's it's like if bin Laden got ripped

◼   ► off in a deal like you'd like nobody

◼   ► nobody thinks badly of that I mean you

◼   ► know they're on that they're not that

◼   ► bad but but they're they're they're not

◼   ► good people

◼   ► you know like they're you know that was

◼   ► obviously hyperbole but I think it's not

◼   ► good people

◼   ► so nobody cares if everything it gets a

◼   ► bad deal so anyway oh my god I was

◼   ► getting a B Tetris I think if if I had

◼   ► to pick a game that was the best game in

◼   ► the world I would say Tetris but I

◼   ► haven't played Tetris in a very long

◼   ► time because I used to play like crazy

◼   ► on my graphing calculator in school but

◼   ► the problem is that I Tetris really

◼   ► requires a d-pad and buttons and I

◼   ► really have not had devices that have

◼   ► those things that can play Tetris for a

◼   ► long time at least you know that that

◼   ► have a version of Tetris for than like

◼   ► you know I guess we know we have the ps3

◼   ► but that's I don't think there's a good

◼   ► tetris version time you play testers

◼   ► might

◼   ► been on our NES on the enolate or on the

◼   ► emulators yeah I think it was on the

◼   ► emulator but even I was its gamepad so

◼   ► anyway Tetris on phones is terrible

◼   ► Tetris and iPads yeah same thing you

◼   ► know all these all these great games

◼   ► really require a d-pad and buttons and

◼   ► just suck on a touchscreen so do you

◼   ► even have a number 2 game I have a whole

◼   ► bunch of games that would that would all

◼   ► be like number 4 right like I don't like

◼   ► I don't if that makes sense like see you

◼   ► over 1 to 4 but like 3 you know I would

◼   ► put moon base commander up very high I

◼   ► wouldn't include it the game of the year

◼   ► that nobody played is that what it was

◼   ► it was it was the best game nobody

◼   ► played of 2002 according to GameSpot I

◼   ► didn't even know if GameSpot still

◼   ► exists don't think it does good shooting

◼   ► text exactly

◼   ► you're dead on so moon base commander

◼   ► would definitely be up there but again

◼   ► that's a game where that plays best on a

◼   ► land and it and you can't really play it

◼   ► like to public people on the internet it

◼   ► doesn't matter how you play it it's it's

◼   ► your favorite game regardless of ease of

◼   ► recreating like this is just fantasy

◼   ► here yeah I mean you place the collector

◼   ► directly on the energy pool yeah like I

◼   ► would definitely play moon base

◼   ► commander like I would love to play that

◼   ► again why well because it requires

◼   ► Windows yeah to set up like I mean we

◼   ► both have good computers that could run

◼   ► it but then you have to either set up a

◼   ► virtualization thing which doesn't

◼   ► really work that well with most games or

◼   ► set of boot camp which is even more of a

◼   ► pain in the and takes up even more space

◼   ► but at least works better well now that

◼   ► we instantly have you know dozens of

◼   ► listeners someone out there should make

◼   ► a I phone version and we or iPad version

◼   ► when you play that's the best Easi

◼   ► somebody bought the rights to moon base

◼   ► commander a couple years ago because it

◼   ► re was the owner of it the big publisher

◼   ► Atari not like the old gaming eventually

◼   ► anyway and they had this big auction

◼   ► when they sold off all their like crappy

◼   ► properties nobody wanted for almost no

◼   ► money and this was one of them I

◼   ► actually considered putting in a bid but

◼   ► really yeah III was think about buying

◼   ► the rights to maneuver yeah well I mean

◼   ► I didn't get I didn't get far like the

◼   ► GameStop bins looking for it yeah yeah

◼   ► because it was only it was only ever

◼   ► like five bucks like I'm pretty sure it

◼   ► was released directly into the $5 bin

◼   ► like it it's made for two

◼   ► ya know the rule easter letter directly

◼   ► to video yeah exactly yeah it's the it

◼   ► was like the direct-to-video equivalent

◼   ► it was like just released into the $5

◼   ► bin I mean I would love to hear from

◼   ► anyone else who played this game because

◼   ► it really is quite fun the first time

◼   ► you played it was I with you we played

◼   ► no it was it was in marks apartment in

◼   ► Ohio anyway oh so you but you showed it

◼   ► to me and then yeah sure it's you soon

◼   ► afterwards and we played it together a

◼   ► lot yeah yeah I mean it because it's

◼   ► it's a great game for five bucks and so

◼   ► anyway so a company I forget the name a

◼   ► company bought the rights to moon base

◼   ► commander like you know a year and a

◼   ► half ago or two years ago and they they

◼   ► tweaked it a little bit to run basically

◼   ► on modern systems and without a disk and

◼   ► they released it on Steam so you can you

◼   ► can go buy it right now on Steam I think

◼   ► I think it's five bucks still if you

◼   ► only play it on Windows exactly that's

◼   ► the problem there's still no Mac version

◼   ► and it does virtualize okay until I

◼   ► Carroll ELLs or whatever one of those

◼   ► like it virtualize is okay but it's not

◼   ► great like there's some Mouse issues and

◼   ► it's just what it needs to be modernized

◼   ► and I think it would make an amazing

◼   ► turn-based iPad game yeah because like

◼   ► all you to do is like you know touch

◼   ► where you want the things to land and

◼   ► how much it's very much like a

◼   ► scorched-earth kind of quick yeah it's

◼   ► like it's a wrap you it's everything is

◼   ► turn-based there I mean there's an

◼   ► optional time limit but it doesn't

◼   ► really need to be time limited and you

◼   ► know and the precision of the

◼   ► controllers rolling around the map yeah

◼   ► I mean like so easy you could so easily

◼   ► do this well as easy just to make any

◼   ► game but which is really not complicated

◼   ► there's like some like you know gulabi

◼   ► looking pools and some mountains and

◼   ► that's about it yeah and and it was just

◼   ► images those weren't 3d models like that

◼   ► yeah yeah so you could you could totally

◼   ► do and the land was totally static too

◼   ► because no matter what you threw on it

◼   ► the stuff would just blow up with like a

◼   ► cheesy explosion right it would leave

◼   ► like a scorching a sprite that's being

◼   ► right on top of the land like it was

◼   ► yeah it was no big deal so yeah you

◼   ► could totally do this game you could

◼   ► probably even build it like with sprite

◼   ► kit in like I don't know not that much

◼   ► time and you probably put more time on

◼   ► the artwork than you would on the engine

◼   ► and nowadays now there are all these

◼   ► physics engines like game developers can

◼   ► just add a physics engine of things and

◼   ► like it does collision detection for you

◼   ► does that the ballistics and all the

◼   ► textures would be like three dollars you

◼   ► know like I mean you could spend them I

◼   ► think only money getting it done and

◼   ► like fashion like fashion in games has

◼   ► changed since then you could just do it

◼   ► like desert golfing style where like you

◼   ► just have everything just be the the

◼   ► shittiest version it could look like

◼   ► everything just like you know flat

◼   ► colors and lines and low resolution

◼   ► maybe of like moon texture come on well

◼   ► make it a fit then it'll stall it crazy

◼   ► make it make it look like a crappy old

◼   ► NES game with you know very big pixel

◼   ► art and that's it that's all you know I

◼   ► think it's way cooler because it looks

◼   ► more like f-zero kind of styling like

◼   ► with that like lobby space but I think

◼   ► it's like I think I think it looks a

◼   ► little bit dated though because like

◼   ► everything in 2002 look like that right

◼   ► so it would be a cool 2002 retro game

◼   ► maybe wow this looks so 2002 I love it I

◼   ► I think 2002 is a little bit too close

◼   ► to have any retro fans no one's like man

◼   ► I I wish I could play this on a zip disc

◼   ► right now he's like the pastels of the

◼   ► 90s decorating like no one no one's into

◼   ► that anyway right it was too soon it's

◼   ► too sick even zip disks those that's

◼   ► that was earlier yeah it's like morally

◼   ► it's the 2002 is more like saved my

◼   ► yearbook on zip drives yeah this is more

◼   ► like you know the the peak of CDRs you

◼   ► know a dvd-r wasn't really out yet CB

◼   ► ours were anyway so I would put moon

◼   ► base commander somewhere around number

◼   ► four with everything else around number

◼   ► four so moon base commander doesn't even

◼   ► rank number three above your other

◼   ► number fours I don't know I don't know

◼   ► what the other number fours are I mean I

◼   ► actually oh I know I know I know what

◼   ► about what was the game we bought the

◼   ► PlayStation 4 the one game wipeout yeah

◼   ► yeah wipeout but but which one like know

◼   ► your favorite this is all about you hon

◼   ► I the one I spent the most time playing

◼   ► was the ps2 version that I bought for

◼   ► your roommates ps2 and Holly and I never

◼   ► actually owned a ps2 you know yeah and

◼   ► so I bought a pink alot of kool-aid that

◼   ► year it was literally like not like

◼   ► joining a cult like we actually

◼   ► kool-aid yeah we were so into it it was

◼   ► we were allowed to this we were college

◼   ► we were adults and we can make decisions

◼   ► that's mostly it wasn't actually here

◼   ► she no chair it was like it was like

◼   ► Crystal Light or something really other

◼   ► actual kool-aid no and we made in the

◼   ► Nalgene bottles before your analogy

◼   ► involved anyway so I drank kool-aid

◼   ► played uh this is our gaming podcast

◼   ► yeah I already forgot the name what was

◼   ► it

◼   ► I did we have a name no no not of our

◼   ► podcast of the game we were just talking

◼   ► about wipeout wipeout yeah yeah so we

◼   ► were talking about wipeout I believe

◼   ► fusion I think that was the one for

◼   ► people of that game isn't that even like

◼   ► the nostalgia of playing that it's a

◼   ► really fun reason to go for I don't

◼   ► think it's even that high it's below

◼   ► your it's a game I remember playing tons

◼   ► with you and it's still not even I put

◼   ► that around like you know ten fifteen I

◼   ► don't know so yeah I think our

◼   ► conclusion is your top game as ta

◼   ► which also happens to be my initials

◼   ► even before we were married

◼   ► and second is monopoly which has nothing

◼   ► to do with video games and what I say

◼   ► third is nothing and your fourth is a

◼   ► whole bunch of other stuff yeah so

◼   ► basically basically what I what I've

◼   ► what I decided is that I'm a terrible

◼   ► gamer as I always have been and that

◼   ► might have a number one game a bunch of

◼   ► number four games only one of those I

◼   ► could actually name and then a number

◼   ► ten or fifteen game no you may named a

◼   ► couple we have moon base commander yeah

◼   ► we have a wipeout no I that was the one

◼   ► I said was like ten or fifteen ten or

◼   ► fifteen it just jaw dropped like ten

◼   ► mics right now that's I did we can

◼   ► listen to the recording also in the

◼   ► fours I would put one of the worms games

◼   ► that one of the two DS games and that's

◼   ► when we were we were on the couch having

◼   ► this conversation like we should really

◼   ► record this and we should totally talk

◼   ► about worms because we played worms

◼   ► together a lot and it is fantastic and

◼   ► fun oh yeah I mean and worms like talk

◼   ► about thank the game for a game time for

◼   ► God right like worms you can play it

◼   ► with a controller or with a touchscreen

◼   ► doesn't matter were cute adorable it's

◼   ► adorable it's it's accessible for people

◼   ► even if they're not very good

◼   ► games normally you can and one of the

◼   ► biggest things you can play a hot seat

◼   ► like you don't each person doesn't need

◼   ► their own device or console or

◼   ► controller or or you know compressor for

◼   ► young couples yeah like you can you can

◼   ► just like you can gather four people are

◼   ► out a computer or an Xbox and you can

◼   ► play worms and it's great it's a lot of

◼   ► fun they had they had a bad time with a

◼   ► 3d transition though yeah Wednesday once

◼   ► the weapons start getting really

◼   ► complicated they ruined it it was so

◼   ► great just having it was fun naming your

◼   ► worms and having a hideous team Marcos

◼   ► favorite favorite kill was the prod

◼   ► absolutely of course because I'm a

◼   ► smartass you just go over and prod a

◼   ► worm and off they go and that was the

◼   ► prod that what makes the prod so great

◼   ► it's horrible a die from the prod

◼   ► exactly what makes the prod so great is

◼   ► that it is really insulting because it's

◼   ► like I could have I could have killed

◼   ► you in in a much bigger way with the

◼   ► Holy Hand Grenade with what was it

◼   ► exploding sheep there were so many great

◼   ► and wonderful ways to kill somebody in

◼   ► that game and you just walk over and you

◼   ► poke them and then they die like it's

◼   ► like I'm gonna put no effort into this

◼   ► whatsoever and you're gonna die like

◼   ► that's if that's it's the master insult

◼   ► it's just like that's it it is the best

◼   ► anything you could do to kill someone

◼   ► with a prod I would go to ridiculous

◼   ► lanes to do or like in the very the

◼   ► sudden death when everyone has one after

◼   ► like all the toxic the neurotoxin falls

◼   ► from the sky is need to like slink on

◼   ► over get your pride exact did but it's

◼   ► hilarious when you miss the pride that's

◼   ► the risk you take right and like that

◼   ► that's why when you when you succeed it

◼   ► is so great because you are taking a

◼   ► pretty big risk of embarrassing yourself

◼   ► by trying it man it's so great I

◼   ► remember the one we played was a worms

◼   ► world party which is very similar to

◼   ► worms Armageddon but with a couple more

◼   ► things a worms Armageddon was the one

◼   ► that most people would play at the time

◼   ► worms world party was the one that I had

◼   ► and it was it was just great and

◼   ► actually I actually even had worms one

◼   ► on my 486 worms one was great but anyway

◼   ► yeah not only not only the gameplay but

◼   ► the process of setting up your team

◼   ► everything it just it's so personal it

◼   ► was funny it was cute you could be as

◼   ► creative as you wanted to be and yeah

◼   ► Marco always picked the soul man voices

◼   ► you don't know yeah it was great I mean

◼   ► that and again it was accessible it was

◼   ► fun

◼   ► it had very low system requirements and

◼   ► you could it had hot seats you could

◼   ► play with everyone around one computer I

◼   ► mean that's a great game it has been

◼   ► years since we played that and could we

◼   ► could we play that again we're

◼   ► discussing how to be played again but

◼   ► where could we play worms well there

◼   ► they have like the worms franchise is

◼   ► still going and they have these games

◼   ► available for iPad and everything but

◼   ► really they have really terrible reviews

◼   ► everyone says like they crash all the

◼   ► time like it seems like so many so many

◼   ► of these big awesome old game franchises

◼   ► many of them are still around today but

◼   ► they're terrible like SimCity really

◼   ► thanks Tim Tower remember when that came

◼   ► to iPad yeah we were all excited sim two

◼   ► hours coming sim towers coming and then

◼   ► it just wasn't that good yeah it was

◼   ► pretty bad

◼   ► and and SimCity I haven't actually

◼   ► played the new sim cities yet but from

◼   ► the reviews I've read it seems like

◼   ► everyone thinks some more things about

◼   ► it which is like you think it's gonna be

◼   ► one thing and it's just it just doesn't

◼   ► capture the spirit of the old what I

◼   ► mean I didn't even like some city for to

◼   ► be honest I was a SimCity one two and

◼   ► three thousand person myself but so even

◼   ► some cities don't make the list they're

◼   ► still on number four

◼   ► nor lower I would I would say SimCity

◼   ► 3000 which is the one I had the most

◼   ► time I had a lot of time with one two

◼   ► and three but three thousand I think was

◼   ► the best SimCity that was made but I

◼   ► would group that in with the force with

◼   ► my number fours oh that's that you one

◼   ► of them when you born city would be one

◼   ► of them sorry and what else yeah I mean

◼   ► Tetris number two I don't know ta some

◼   ► stuff and you know Tetris worms your two

◼   ► and three are the dark times now we have

◼   ► like two I I would say half I too would

◼   ► be in the four is also because it was

◼   ► just such a great game especially at the

◼   ► time but yeah put that in there for sure

◼   ► we're also talking about how we tried to

◼   ► do a speed run through half-life 2 oh

◼   ► yeah that's a fun because it's fun it

◼   ► you know

◼   ► if you're actually serious about

◼   ► speedruns I imagine it would be a lot of

◼   ► work to keep up with them and try to do

◼   ► them and just very tedious it works I

◼   ► try to beat your times and everything if

◼   ► but if you're like us you don't normally

◼   ► do speedruns to do one every so often is

◼   ► really fun it's hilarious just outrun

◼   ► everything not pick up any kind of

◼   ► power-ups don't open any crates just

◼   ► book it yeah just run over locals

◼   ► [Laughter]

◼   ► none of the extras explore nothing

◼   ► [Music]

◼   ► exactly

◼   ► so yeah I mean what else I mean I've

◼   ► enjoyed a lot of desert golf and I think

◼   ► I might put in top ten somewhere not not

◼   ► in two or three maybe in the floors

◼   ► maybe not top four here we're not even

◼   ► going for me to say really padding up

◼   ► that fourth spot I mean yeah nothing man

◼   ► I don't I I don't have a lot of great

◼   ► like I have a lot of games that I played

◼   ► and had fun at the time like like I said

◼   ► like CNC generals is a great example

◼   ► that I played it I had a lot of fun at

◼   ► the time but I would never like take the

◼   ► time right now to go set up a system to

◼   ► play that again like it would never be

◼   ► worth that time to me

◼   ► no not even worth the time like think

◼   ► this is this is Fantasyland because it

◼   ► doesn't matter how much time or how many

◼   ► people it requires to play your favorite

◼   ► game or we're just talking and let's say

◼   ► you have an entire day where you have to

◼   ► play games and you have to play four of

◼   ► them what's the first one you would play

◼   ► I mean if I have my friends I'm playing

◼   ► yeah it doesn't just say everything's

◼   ► magically in place for you to play your

◼   ► favorite game in any kind of

◼   ► configuration that you would be happiest

◼   ► and most joyful playing yeah so that's

◼   ► that's going to be T a moon base

◼   ► commander maybe maybe a racing game so

◼   ► maybe why the commander K is actually in

◼   ► a gear number two so we have ta nut for

◼   ► sleepy moon base commander number two

◼   ► wipeout number three and a whole bunch

◼   ► of others for number four and I wouldn't

◼   ► say though I wouldn't say wipeout is my

◼   ► favorite game ever but if I'm gonna be

◼   ► playing I'm gonna be playing multiplayer

◼   ► game like I want to build like a

◼   ► playlist of what I would play building a

◼   ► playlist of

◼   ► you're you know then yeah then I would

◼   ► probably go yeah I would go ta moonbase

◼   ► a racing game of some kind and if

◼   ► shooting game of some kind

◼   ► I think that would be common but you're

◼   ► a favorite racing game of some kind

◼   ► seems to have been wipeouts I think so I

◼   ► mean we had a lot of fun with Mario Kart

◼   ► but that was at Mario Kart or is it

◼   ► wipeout well see I use I generally love

◼   ► the category of battle racing racing

◼   ► with weapons I think that's a lot of fun

◼   ► and not always some of them have been

◼   ► pretty terrible but for the most part

◼   ► that that category is very fun and

◼   ► that's why Mario karts fun that's why

◼   ► wipeout is fun the new Mario Kart is not

◼   ► fun sorry John siracusa it is not fun we

◼   ► play it anyhow and I can't get into it

◼   ► if there's too much happening

◼   ► there's too much happens that's this is

◼   ► the problem like this is you get like

◼   ► some sort of weird spiral wings and hell

◼   ► of things and I don't know I don't know

◼   ► what's happening I don't know what's

◼   ► happening I just miss the days where you

◼   ► had little balloons on the back of your

◼   ► car and you had to drive after each

◼   ► other and try and pop him though I it

◼   ► took it took us falling out of most of

◼   ► the modern gaming world or at least took

◼   ► me falling out of most of that world

◼   ► before I realized how inaccessible it is

◼   ► and me I don't know if it's getting more

◼   ► inaccessible over time like if the walls

◼   ► are getting higher or if it's just me

◼   ► getting older and further away from

◼   ► being it now as soon as Mario got 3d it

◼   ► got crazy it's crazy yeah I never

◼   ► honestly I never liked Mario World I

◼   ► mean like I respect it I mean a 3d mark

◼   ► I respected it as a game Mario 64's I

◼   ► respected it as a game it was it was a

◼   ► very good technical achievement but I

◼   ► never wanted that game I never wanted

◼   ► like I never wanted to really play it

◼   ► like I enjoyed watching it when it was

◼   ► brand-new and it was revolutionary but I

◼   ► think 2d Mario's were more fun and if I

◼   ► would if I was gonna go back and play

◼   ► any Mario game right now it would either

◼   ► be Mario 3 or Super Mario World and

◼   ► neither of which are 3d

◼   ► yeah more recent that's going right back

◼   ► to the kids these days I know they're

◼   ► crazy music

◼   ► kids these days a 3d Mario games and 3d

◼   ► worms and Mario Kart that sucks I know

◼   ► back when things were simpler that's a

◼   ► thing like I feel like games

◼   ► have at least like you know like like

◼   ► the big-name games like the triple a

◼   ► big-name big-budget games that are for

◼   ► PCs and consoles for 50 bucks like that

◼   ► that genre of game in the time since

◼   ► that was a new thing like in the 80s and

◼   ► 90s and as games have come up they've

◼   ► they've added so much like there's so

◼   ► much more to them now they've just

◼   ► bolted on and bolted on like like

◼   ► Microsoft Office toolbars and buttons

◼   ► like they just like bolted stuff on over

◼   ► time to just keep making the game's

◼   ► better and better and newer and more

◼   ► interesting that people who already know

◼   ► them I feel like it's pushing out people

◼   ► who don't already know them because it's

◼   ► it's making the games way more

◼   ► complicated like you know controllers

◼   ► these days have way more buttons on them

◼   ► than controllers did in the 90s and 80s

◼   ► systems can do way more the games have

◼   ► way more features there's all these

◼   ► different special moves and everything

◼   ► and and not to say that games used to be

◼   ► easier necessarily what they use let's

◼   ► talk about the special moves because in

◼   ► my top four list I have at the very

◼   ► bottom number four is Dead Rising which

◼   ► as soon as you stop playing that game at

◼   ► least for me and my amount of memory it

◼   ► is impossible to get back into like I

◼   ► was playing Dead Rising 2 the one where

◼   ► you're stuck in the where are you stuck

◼   ► it doesn't matter somewhere there's

◼   ► zombies it's crazy casino kind of thing

◼   ► but I was almost done playing the game I

◼   ► may be a couple missions from the very

◼   ► end and I had to stop I believe I might

◼   ► have had a baby or something but I had

◼   ► to stop playing and I can never go back

◼   ► because I made it so far I I can't

◼   ► imagine you know playing through it

◼   ► again I'm talking about the second one

◼   ► here without just you know kind of going

◼   ► around and killing zombies that's that's

◼   ► super fun but you know seriously playing

◼   ► through all the levels again because the

◼   ► catalog of moves you have to remember in

◼   ► order to get back into it at that high

◼   ► level to continue on it's just

◼   ► impossible like I don't think I can

◼   ► remember the button combinations that I

◼   ► had to remember when I was playing the

◼   ► game for like a week straight you know

◼   ► like it's it's just over I'm so glad I

◼   ► beat the first one in one shot because

◼   ► otherwise

◼   ► I don't think I could go back and play

◼   ► it even though it is one of my favorite

◼   ► games and I just love the the concept in

◼   ► the world that it created I just I don't

◼   ► it's just not accessible to to pick up

◼   ► in the middle of it where you know and

◼   ► certain games that have easier

◼   ► functionality and it's just like you

◼   ► know shoot you have some weapons and you

◼   ► just do it or games like Marco

◼   ► you know like Tetris or something where

◼   ► it's just kind of a more casual yeah

◼   ► yeah yeah more casual gaming that it's

◼   ► easy to love and easy to jump in and out

◼   ► of you know some of the more complex

◼   ► ones its whoo it's rough that I don't

◼   ► know how people play things like Street

◼   ► Fighter what was the one like yes yeah

◼   ► yeah yeah couldn't do it couldn't do it

◼   ► well that's and compared to something

◼   ► like Dead Rising that's trivial or

◼   ► what's a Final Fantasy's those I can

◼   ► never get into either because yeah

◼   ► there's a there's just so many like move

◼   ► combo potion jumping spinning this thing

◼   ► like leaving Zelda has that stuff though

◼   ► well again Zelda's another one you have

◼   ► to like sit and play through it and like

◼   ► have that catalogue of knowledge but if

◼   ► you let it lapse for you know a couple

◼   ► months a year two years you can't just

◼   ► like jump back into a game and be like

◼   ► alright now I'm gonna beat this you know

◼   ► you you had to have just done it yeah

◼   ► that's true you can't give up in the

◼   ► middle if you plan on finishing I mean

◼   ► to some degree I would say the GTA games

◼   ► are like that oh yeah oh yeah you know

◼   ► it's not quite the same good like the

◼   ► moves aren't as complicated but it's

◼   ► very similar MRIs Maps like you can't

◼   ► remember them you're like how did I get

◼   ► here to that place and this play it's

◼   ► like you have to play a lot to remember

◼   ► the map in order to get around really

◼   ► fast exactly and even then as a GTA

◼   ► friend I mean you know not GTA 1 and 2

◼   ► those were top-down 2d but I actually

◼   ► played and enjoyed when they were out

◼   ► which one do we play together we played

◼   ► Vice City right and we would uh we we

◼   ► kind of tag-team it where we would play

◼   ► a mission until we couldn't beat it

◼   ► anymore and then we'd pass it off to the

◼   ► next person no II would just switch off

◼   ► on death or being caught that's what I

◼   ► mean like up through missions and then

◼   ► once we got stuck on on something and

◼   ► then we pass it off and the next person

◼   ► would would be able to have it come at

◼   ► it with like fresh eyes and do it then

◼   ► you passed that mission and then once

◼   ► that person got stuck on like maybe

◼   ► five missions after that we'd switch

◼   ► again that was great yeah a lot of fun

◼   ► but even then like I would not go back

◼   ► and play Vice City again now but we

◼   ► never finished it because it was on your

◼   ► friends that's right we never finished

◼   ► it and it was my friend's xbox and he

◼   ► had to go home for the summer because we

◼   ► hit the end of it and so we don't have

◼   ► our saved game so there's no way I'm

◼   ► gonna start over right like and then

◼   ► like you know I later got my own Xbox

◼   ► and a copy of I city and just never

◼   ► played it because we didn't want to

◼   ► restart the whole save game and like I

◼   ► don't know like to me now looking at

◼   ► games like that they just seem like work

◼   ► like I don't want to play that game

◼   ► because it just seems like a bunch of

◼   ► work to me like in a bad way work where

◼   ► you don't really accomplish anything and

◼   ► then you're like yeah and nobody says

◼   ► anything everybody and not to mention

◼   ► and you know and part of the problem

◼   ► with those games it's like it's kind of

◼   ► like when you when when like you're a

◼   ► college freshman and every other word

◼   ► that you say is a swear word because you

◼   ► can finally swear without your parents

◼   ► being up your butt constantly so like

◼   ► you think swearing is really cool for a

◼   ► couple of years and then you realize

◼   ► it's just like okay this is a tool to be

◼   ► used sometimes but it's not that cool

◼   ► and I think GTA kind of has that where

◼   ► it's like when it first came out it was

◼   ► like oh my god you can like pick up

◼   ► hookers in a car and drive over people

◼   ► and stuff and it was this like really

◼   ► cool thing when you're in college and

◼   ► now as an adult looking at this I'm just

◼   ► like that's kind of girl this is like I

◼   ► don't I don't really want to be playing

◼   ► that oh here let me help you get that

◼   ► change off the floor yeah like here take

◼   ► your wallet at least like I don't want

◼   ► to be a about it like it just now I'm

◼   ► sorry prostitute I'll pay you now

◼   ► instead of killing you you do take

◼   ► square I love our 20-minute podcast this

◼   ► is great yeah so yeah I I couldn't I

◼   ► can't enjoy games like that anymore like

◼   ► I feel like I feel like it would be like

◼   ► going back and visiting a high school

◼   ► like I just feel like I'm too old to do

◼   ► that yeah I can't really play games

◼   ► where I'm a thug to real people yeah

◼   ► it's different you got to survive it's

◼   ► brutal yeah and I can't play like a

◼   ► realistic war games

◼   ► cuz no I don't like realistic war is

◼   ► terrible a male like a watcher I can't

◼   ► watch people play realistic war games I

◼   ► just I don't get it and I'm not into

◼   ► sports games

◼   ► I'm not into RPGs so like or mmo's so

◼   ► there's really there's not that many

◼   ► game types out there that are still made

◼   ► in in reasonable quantities say that I

◼   ► really would would get into and I think

◼   ► that I think that's just one of the

◼   ► reason I'm not a gamer right now is

◼   ► because like I fell out of it for a

◼   ► while and what's made now be the stuff I

◼   ► don't care about or stuff that seems

◼   ► impenetrably complex to me looking

◼   ► looking in from the outside yeah and all

◼   ► the little like independent games that

◼   ► we have since like downloaded and played

◼   ► on xbox and on PlayStation they're just

◼   ► not they're not play again enough

◼   ► they're not they're not good enough to

◼   ► play again yeah they're very grey them

◼   ► they're great when you play them like

◼   ► limbo and I love that one Shadow Complex

◼   ► yeah oh that's yep that way I think yeah

◼   ► shadow come for a really good braid was

◼   ► so hard we never got and yeah we weren't

◼   ► smart enough to get that you uh you got

◼   ► a lot further than I did I did but it

◼   ► just whoo-hoo I'm very stuck and I will

◼   ► never become unstuck at the level I'm

◼   ► stuck at yeah just broke my brain like I

◼   ► was like okay I get this I get this

◼   ► time-traveling physics backwards do that

◼   ► okay and then it's like I don't know it

◼   ► just shut down

◼   ► it hit my wall smart wall was just

◼   ► smacked into and I debris just died so

◼   ► yeah I don't like those games we I think

◼   ► we liked him a lot because they were

◼   ► like older games like braid is like

◼   ► Mario World on crack and Shadow Complex

◼   ► is really just Metroid but done with

◼   ► modern graphics and stuff mm-hmm

◼   ► so it was like usually these are you

◼   ► know old game types that are kind of you

◼   ► know them to was kind of fun like we we

◼   ► would be on the couch together playing

◼   ► them and and one of us would have the

◼   ► controller and the other one would be

◼   ► like ooh try that way or oh I saw that

◼   ► little secret thing so we were kind of

◼   ► like backseat driving each other with

◼   ► the game but we liked that it was fun it

◼   ► was it was cooperative it was yeah good

◼   ► time it was like our little date night

◼   ► was playing

◼   ► little games like that exactly and and

◼   ► that like I would love for to find more

◼   ► games like that but there there aren't

◼   ► that many like we started playing limbo

◼   ► like that but then I ended up finishing

◼   ► it yeah I wasn't I didn't get that into

◼   ► limbo creepy love it you kind of squish

◼   ► in everything that ragdoll physics or is

◼   ► it just like runs down your spine

◼   ► exactly exactly so anyway those are

◼   ► those are our games and I think uh-huh

◼   ► at least I'm the worst at this

◼   ► you are the worst of this but I have a

◼   ► great name for our podcast I thought

◼   ► about it while we were waiting for our

◼   ► dog to pee I think we should call it top

◼   ► 4 and we should talk about our favorite

◼   ► four things in pretty much any category

◼   ► whenever we're feeling like it yeah I

◼   ► think there's a lot of different things

◼   ► that we can discuss that we like and

◼   ► don't like because we're really good at

◼   ► that about having opinions very good

◼   ► opinion we're super good at opinion I

◼   ► mean no one's gonna listen to this

◼   ► though sure they will no no chance well

◼   ► we'll see we'll take a little Twitter

◼   ► poll or I I don't know do they do that

◼   ► do you have like little I'm sure there's

◼   ► a million different apps that nobody

◼   ► cares about to let you do this you like

◼   ► us check yes sir no if not we can write

◼   ► one that can be our next startup will

◼   ► you go to prom with me I figured it more

◼   ► appropriate name would just be Tiffin

◼   ► Marco bull for a while I mean that's

◼   ► that could be the subtitle but I think

◼   ► time for pretty good because it focuses

◼   ► us to four things even though we know

◼   ► we're gonna be talking about 30 things

◼   ► that's true and we're probably gonna be

◼   ► as good as I was naming my top 4 video

◼   ► games I picked my first one and my 22nd

◼   ► video I did it was half-life 2 no no no

◼   ► portal right then half-life 2 then the

◼   ► Last of Us and then left Dead Rising

◼   ► okay

◼   ► that's not bad

◼   ► yeah not bad and those are my top based

◼   ► on how much fun I had playing them and

◼   ► how odd that I would love to play them

◼   ► again so they'd be on my like I have

◼   ► free time playlist I would love to have

◼   ► the time to play them all again yeah man

◼   ► I wish somebody would make good RTS more

◼   ► often