Top Four

00:00:00 ◼   ► I made notes about 15 minutes ago all

00:00:03 ◼   ► right well that's good that's your usual

00:00:05 ◼   ► prep time so uh I'm happy that you've

00:00:08 ◼   ► prepared for our this so this is Episode

00:00:13 ◼   ► two of top four top four

00:00:15 ◼   ► we're spelling out the four right it

00:00:17 ◼   ► makes it easier fo you are that is how

00:00:20 ◼   ► it's spelled yeah however you want to

00:00:21 ◼   ► add an e because a lot of people used to

00:00:23 ◼   ► take out vowels now we could just like

00:00:25 ◼   ► add a whole bunch is that the French

00:00:27 ◼   ► spelling yeah with web 4.0 is adding

00:00:31 ◼   ► bowels exactly more vowels

00:00:33 ◼   ► yeah well the French are taking over you

00:00:35 ◼   ► know we that's yes in French oh so this

00:00:43 ◼   ► is the show where we BS for like an hour

00:00:47 ◼   ► and what are our top four picks for

00:00:49 ◼   ► something and this week I picked the

00:00:52 ◼   ► topic the topic is favorite TV series so

00:00:57 ◼   ► are you ready for this

00:00:59 ◼   ► mmm so I'm curious I think we're gonna

00:01:11 ◼   ► have a lot of overlap here but I think

00:01:13 ◼   ► our our ordering might be different yeah

00:01:15 ◼   ► I think that's why we're gonna have

00:01:16 ◼   ► actually something to talk about because

00:01:17 ◼   ► we have been together for 12 almost 13

00:01:22 ◼   ► years now so we have had 13 years of TV

00:01:26 ◼   ► series watching together which is what

00:01:29 ◼   ► we normally watch we don't watch movies

00:01:30 ◼   ► we watch TV series we always have brand

00:01:33 ◼   ► new state TV TV yep you emphasize the T

00:01:36 ◼   ► yep I watched the TV mm-hmm so yeah

00:01:41 ◼   ► we're gonna have a lot of overlap but I

00:01:43 ◼   ► think it's gonna be interesting because

00:01:45 ◼   ► I think I have some surprises for you

00:01:48 ◼   ► interesting

00:01:49 ◼   ► so we'll see I have I made a big short

00:01:51 ◼   ► list it's not it's not so sure what does

00:01:54 ◼   ► that mean

00:01:56 ◼   ► all right well okay so on my short list

00:01:59 ◼   ► which I believe might be a Mike Hurley

00:02:02 ◼   ► term I'm not sure I think the word

00:02:04 ◼   ► shortlist has been around for longer

00:02:06 ◼   ► than my curly has been around well I'm

00:02:08 ◼   ► gonna give it to Mike early because he's

00:02:09 ◼   ► awesome that's fair short list is yours

00:02:11 ◼   ► now Mike

00:02:13 ◼   ► and so do you want me to just read off

00:02:15 ◼   ► the series that I have listed on my

00:02:16 ◼   ► short list here before we get into what

00:02:18 ◼   ► our actual top floors are yeah sure all

00:02:21 ◼   ► right let's see I got the wire six feet

00:02:24 ◼   ► under the office American the office UK

00:02:27 ◼   ► Breaking Bad Freaks and Geeks Arrested

00:02:29 ◼   ► Development coupling Parks and

00:02:31 ◼   ► Recreation orange is the new black

00:02:32 ◼   ► Walking Dead house of cards Ally McBeal

00:02:34 ◼   ► down now be the prayer the the Paradise

00:02:38 ◼   ► Dexter the tutors and Mad Men Wow

00:02:42 ◼   ► yeah so that was my short list of what I

00:02:46 ◼   ► was picking from that's on the long list

00:02:48 ◼   ► everything else so a lot of them I

00:02:54 ◼   ► eliminated first off because they aren't

00:02:56 ◼   ► finished yet or I haven't seen the final

00:02:57 ◼   ► season yet like Parks and Rec so I

00:03:01 ◼   ► haven't seen the final season of Parks

00:03:03 ◼   ► and Rec so I don't think I can put it on

00:03:04 ◼   ► my list yet even though I might end up

00:03:07 ◼   ► seeing that next week and have it on my

00:03:09 ◼   ► list so we'll see but do you have a

00:03:13 ◼   ► short list

00:03:13 ◼   ► I have like five things on here because

00:03:16 ◼   ► I couldn't think of many in the last 15

00:03:18 ◼   ► minutes you old you want to look at my

00:03:19 ◼   ► list and we could pause and then take a

00:03:21 ◼   ► minute and you can sip some tea you

00:03:23 ◼   ► decide you keep going that's the spirit

00:03:27 ◼   ► of the show is this is a natural you

00:03:29 ◼   ► know show so I think one thing that you

00:03:33 ◼   ► had in your list that I didn't have my

00:03:35 ◼   ► list now I'm reconsidering is the office

00:03:37 ◼   ► and you had both the UK and the u.s.

00:03:39 ◼   ► right I have it on my short list but if

00:03:43 ◼   ► you want to know my way which direction

00:03:45 ◼   ► do we go with our top four well number

00:03:48 ◼   ► one should be the best so should we talk

00:03:50 ◼   ► about that first or last let's go first

00:03:53 ◼   ► first yeah and then we're just like

00:03:55 ◼   ► going down to like the crap down these

00:03:58 ◼   ► are all good shows I mean are you well

00:04:00 ◼   ► it is for the for the purpose of right

00:04:01 ◼   ► now I mean are you I don't think either

00:04:03 ◼   ► if the office is gonna be your number

00:04:05 ◼   ► one is it actually it is American office

00:04:08 ◼   ► is my number one favorite TV series Wow

00:04:11 ◼   ► are you shocked and awed I yeah actually

00:04:16 ◼   ► I I would say it would be in my top five

00:04:21 ◼   ► but I'm not sure I would put it that

00:04:24 ◼   ► high up in fact I definitely put it

00:04:25 ◼   ► number one

00:04:26 ◼   ► I'm gonna tell you why it's my number

00:04:27 ◼   ► one over everything else because first

00:04:30 ◼   ► of all I have rewatched it many times

00:04:32 ◼   ► and every time i rewatch it i enjoy it

00:04:35 ◼   ► it makes me happy and another thing they

00:04:39 ◼   ► have i love the characters on it and

00:04:41 ◼   ► throughout the whole series even when I

00:04:43 ◼   ► was watching it more on time I guess

00:04:47 ◼   ► when I wasn't just re watching it and I

00:04:48 ◼   ► didn't really like certain seasons

00:04:50 ◼   ► altogether as a whole it works really

00:04:53 ◼   ► well and the each character even though

00:04:56 ◼   ► they're super silly sometimes they

00:04:57 ◼   ► really develop into real characters with

00:05:02 ◼   ► depth and and lives and person you care

00:05:05 ◼   ► about them very much and they're dynamic

00:05:08 ◼   ► even though it's a comedy and it's it

00:05:10 ◼   ► started off as a kind of shallow comedy

00:05:12 ◼   ► but it just it just grew into this

00:05:14 ◼   ► wonderful thing that felt like a little

00:05:16 ◼   ► family and I cry like crazy whenever

00:05:19 ◼   ► Michael leaves I cry like crazy when he

00:05:21 ◼   ► proposes to Holly I cry at the end when

00:05:24 ◼   ► Dwight and Angela get married I cry

00:05:26 ◼   ► every time Jim and Pam have like their

00:05:30 ◼   ► things together like during their

00:05:32 ◼   ► wedding the proposed everything like so

00:05:34 ◼   ► many spoiler alerts by the way yeah

00:05:36 ◼   ► spoiler Bell dong whatever spoiler dawg

00:05:39 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:05:49 ◼   ► so I just a for a comedy to make me feel

00:05:55 ◼   ► that much is great and to make me laugh

00:05:57 ◼   ► as much as it does and every time i

00:05:59 ◼   ► rewatch it I find something new that's

00:06:01 ◼   ► funny or I forgot one of like the little

00:06:03 ◼   ► jokes here and there which I love that

00:06:07 ◼   ► that it still stays rich for me and

00:06:09 ◼   ► interesting and it's just kind of like a

00:06:12 ◼   ► it's kind of like a what's that called

00:06:15 ◼   ► when someone has like um a security

00:06:17 ◼   ► blanket I feel like the office is kind

00:06:19 ◼   ► of like my my cozy security blanket of

00:06:22 ◼   ► comedy and fun and so that's why it's my

00:06:25 ◼   ► number one that's interesting see

00:06:27 ◼   ► because as soon as you mentioned it on

00:06:29 ◼   ► your on your short long list your long

00:06:32 ◼   ► short list as soon as you mention it

00:06:33 ◼   ► I've got to put that in my top 5 for

00:06:36 ◼   ► sure maybe I might talk for we'll see

00:06:38 ◼   ► but it's gotta be my top 5 because

00:06:40 ◼   ► I love a lot of that with you of like

00:06:43 ◼   ► you know looking back on it went as it

00:06:45 ◼   ► was running I never thought this is the

00:06:48 ◼   ► best show ever I thought this is a good

00:06:49 ◼   ► show yeah yeah and as I as I with you

00:06:52 ◼   ► have rewatched it over the years and and

00:06:55 ◼   ► as the show went through and eventually

00:06:57 ◼   ► after probably a little bit too long

00:06:59 ◼   ► ended you know and there were definitely

00:07:03 ◼   ► like some some low points seasons that

00:07:06 ◼   ► there were a lot of a lot of like dud

00:07:08 ◼   ► episodes that were just kind of dumb or

00:07:10 ◼   ► dud segments within episodes and but

00:07:13 ◼   ► they were dud episodes I feel like a lot

00:07:15 ◼   ► of the other series that I have on here

00:07:17 ◼   ► some of them I just wish certain seasons

00:07:20 ◼   ► wouldn't even exist like let me give you

00:07:22 ◼   ► an example for something that actually

00:07:24 ◼   ► didn't make my list which is Arrested

00:07:26 ◼   ► Development which I loved Arrested

00:07:29 ◼   ► Development when it was new

00:07:30 ◼   ► I find it ivory watched it a whole bunch

00:07:32 ◼   ► of times and the more i rewatch it the

00:07:35 ◼   ► less funny I find it to be which is

00:07:37 ◼   ► makes me sad so I've almost kind of

00:07:39 ◼   ► stopped tree watching it so it remains

00:07:41 ◼   ► funny in my mind yeah and then rewatch

00:07:44 ◼   ► seeing that final season on Netflix or

00:07:47 ◼   ► whatever that was trying to be yeah

00:07:50 ◼   ► ruins it for me like that seeing even

00:07:53 ◼   ► like the first like five episodes of

00:07:54 ◼   ► that that we tried to watch kind of

00:07:57 ◼   ► wrecked stuff for me and I feel like

00:07:59 ◼   ► that that I wish that never was there

00:08:01 ◼   ► and so that got that's why it got booted

00:08:05 ◼   ► out of my top four completely see I I

00:08:07 ◼   ► have it as somewhere around number two

00:08:10 ◼   ► and I and and I that's soft that's not

00:08:12 ◼   ► like a firm commitment there but Wow you

00:08:14 ◼   ► have that up in your top four I do but

00:08:16 ◼   ► to me Arrested Development I haven't had

00:08:19 ◼   ► the same problem as you of like thinking

00:08:21 ◼   ► it's less funny over time but I haven't

00:08:22 ◼   ► leary watched it so maybe as much every

00:08:24 ◼   ► watcher if I'm like rewatching the

00:08:26 ◼   ► office Marco will come in and he'll sit

00:08:28 ◼   ► down and watch an episode and I'll be

00:08:29 ◼   ► like all right let's watch one more oh

00:08:31 ◼   ► okay let's watch one more he totally

00:08:36 ◼   ► ends up being a rewatch sure with me

00:08:37 ◼   ► so even though he's not really a I'm

00:08:40 ◼   ► gonna put this on her and watch it to

00:08:42 ◼   ► veg out he's not that type of person no

00:08:44 ◼   ► but but I think you're right though that

00:08:47 ◼   ► you know obviously I think anybody

00:08:50 ◼   ► considering Arrested Development needs

00:08:51 ◼   ► to totally pretend like season four

00:08:53 ◼   ► here's the net

00:08:54 ◼   ► like season just didn't exist just that

00:08:55 ◼   ► that was never there that was that was a

00:08:58 ◼   ► fluke it was you know that did that

00:09:01 ◼   ► doesn't exist like even even worse so

00:09:03 ◼   ► than the people who pretend the Star

00:09:04 ◼   ► Wars prequels didn't exist like

00:09:06 ◼   ► definitely like the Star Wars prequels

00:09:08 ◼   ► you believe well they kind of he's ever

00:09:10 ◼   ► so development no season before there

00:09:12 ◼   ► was no season for period

00:09:14 ◼   ► I think Arrested Development started

00:09:17 ◼   ► getting bad during season 3 and that

00:09:19 ◼   ► that is somewhat that was somewhat

00:09:20 ◼   ► controversial but I am very sensitive to

00:09:23 ◼   ► when the writing of a show starts to get

00:09:26 ◼   ► a little bit flatter where like the

00:09:28 ◼   ► character start to become kind of like

00:09:29 ◼   ► more like exaggerations or caricatures

00:09:33 ◼   ► of themselves rather than like doing

00:09:35 ◼   ► things that are more true to them and it

00:09:37 ◼   ► gets a little bit stupid yeah it's when

00:09:38 ◼   ► they stop acting like themselves yeah

00:09:41 ◼   ► when they when they do things that are

00:09:42 ◼   ► blatantly out of the character that they

00:09:45 ◼   ► spent so much time building is when it's

00:09:47 ◼   ► jarring and it makes me angry right and

00:09:49 ◼   ► usually it takes the form of people

00:09:51 ◼   ► becoming more extreme in some way

00:09:53 ◼   ► usually like you know in comedies is

00:09:55 ◼   ► everyone kind of just gets like stupider

00:09:57 ◼   ► and and and like I think what what made

00:10:01 ◼   ► the office so good is that the

00:10:03 ◼   ► characters went in the opposite

00:10:04 ◼   ► direction that you know with the office

00:10:06 ◼   ► over it started out as this kind of

00:10:08 ◼   ► stupid show that where the characters

00:10:10 ◼   ► were kind of flat and then over time

00:10:11 ◼   ► they developed them into very

00:10:13 ◼   ► well-rounded characters because that's

00:10:15 ◼   ► more like people in real life people in

00:10:17 ◼   ► real life are not usually these extreme

00:10:18 ◼   ► characters but with with Arrested

00:10:21 ◼   ► Development I thought seasons 1 & 2 were

00:10:24 ◼   ► pretty solid and then season 3 of the

00:10:28 ◼   ► original series you know before Netflix

00:10:29 ◼   ► season 3 I thought was getting stupid

00:10:31 ◼   ► and so I I'm one of the very few people

00:10:33 ◼   ► who thinks that it was cancelled at the

00:10:35 ◼   ► right time because I imagine if if it

00:10:39 ◼   ► hadn't been cancelled and if Arrested

00:10:40 ◼   ► Development had kept going on its

00:10:42 ◼   ► original path you know not the stupid

00:10:44 ◼   ► Netflix 1 but can't go on its original

00:10:46 ◼   ► path and made like two or three or four

00:10:47 ◼   ► more seasons like that I think it would

00:10:49 ◼   ► have gotten really dumb and the writers

00:10:51 ◼   ► would have gotten really worn out and we

00:10:52 ◼   ► would have we would have seen the result

00:10:54 ◼   ► of that I'm totally on that yacht with

00:10:56 ◼   ► you I mean I agree that it was canceled

00:10:59 ◼   ► at the right time I do yeah and I would

00:11:01 ◼   ► say the same thing about the wire and I

00:11:05 ◼   ► will I let sever the wire

00:11:07 ◼   ► right into that where's the wire for you

00:11:09 ◼   ► mr. Armand number one I thought so it's

00:11:12 ◼   ► my number two that's yeah well because

00:11:14 ◼   ► you know the office I mean no no part of

00:11:19 ◼   ► the office to me ever gets as good as

00:11:23 ◼   ► the wire to the in the way that I say

00:11:25 ◼   ► like damn that's so good like like after

00:11:28 ◼   ► like a particularly good episode of the

00:11:29 ◼   ► wire like oh man that's so good you like

00:11:31 ◼   ► the office the office never got there

00:11:33 ◼   ► from where the office is more like it's

00:11:35 ◼   ► more like the everyday lunch deli it's

00:11:37 ◼   ► like you it's you can count on it being

00:11:39 ◼   ► good never like totally stunning amazing

00:11:42 ◼   ► but it's consistently good and it makes

00:11:44 ◼   ► you feel good whereas the wire you know

00:11:46 ◼   ► and and you know all like the more

00:11:47 ◼   ► serious dramas are more like this like

00:11:49 ◼   ► Breaking Bad is like this to where like

00:11:52 ◼   ► you know it's just because of the nature

00:11:54 ◼   ► of the kind of show it is it's going to

00:11:56 ◼   ► be emotionally kind of more severe the

00:11:59 ◼   ► highs are gonna be higher the lows are

00:12:00 ◼   ► gonna be lower it's gonna just be like a

00:12:02 ◼   ► bigger roller coaster ride than

00:12:04 ◼   ► something like the office but I think

00:12:05 ◼   ► that gives it the potential to really to

00:12:08 ◼   ► really like be amazing during the good

00:12:10 ◼   ► parts and the wire I think overall is so

00:12:13 ◼   ► good and I will say though you know

00:12:16 ◼   ► similar to Arrested Development season 3

00:12:18 ◼   ► I think the wire season 5 was

00:12:20 ◼   ► dramatically less good than the previous

00:12:23 ◼   ► four seasons but was still really good

00:12:26 ◼   ► it was I I'm not sure it was really good

00:12:29 ◼   ► it rounded it out though I loved having

00:12:31 ◼   ► all the different aspects of it okay I

00:12:34 ◼   ► know what you're talking about ok

00:12:36 ◼   ► spoiler dong happening whatever but what

00:12:39 ◼   ► does that set what would that sound like

00:12:40 ◼   ► I'd already showed you the sound which

00:12:43 ◼   ► yeah okay I'm not doing it again so if I

00:12:48 ◼   ► know the whole crazy thing with McNulty

00:12:50 ◼   ► again what we said getting at a

00:12:52 ◼   ► character going to the extreme that's

00:12:54 ◼   ► what ruins things but if I kind of kind

00:12:58 ◼   ► of forget about the McNulty storyline

00:13:00 ◼   ► going out even though that was like the

00:13:01 ◼   ► main part of see it's season five in the

00:13:03 ◼   ► wire if you just focus on the spinning

00:13:06 ◼   ► in the newspaper and how the journalists

00:13:09 ◼   ► are affected in the whole ecosystem of

00:13:13 ◼   ► the wire I guess like a you're going

00:13:15 ◼   ► through each part of it and showing it's

00:13:18 ◼   ► just kind of putting a microscope to it

00:13:19 ◼   ► I think that that

00:13:21 ◼   ► needed to happen but it was the McNulty

00:13:24 ◼   ► crazy bum killing storyline that really

00:13:28 ◼   ► ruined it for the wire yeah like that

00:13:30 ◼   ► that to me I mean that that is mostly my

00:13:32 ◼   ► problem with tease and five is that

00:13:33 ◼   ► storyline McNulty in Leicester like that

00:13:36 ◼   ► that that was really like grossly out of

00:13:40 ◼   ► character for them and I don't think and

00:13:42 ◼   ► they tried to write it in you know the

00:13:44 ◼   ► in in ways that would that would

00:13:46 ◼   ► allegedly make sense but I don't think

00:13:48 ◼   ► they succeeded and I think you know I

00:13:50 ◼   ► think maybe what happened

00:13:51 ◼   ► you know David Simon the the creator of

00:13:53 ◼   ► the wire he he had his background in

00:13:57 ◼   ► newspaper reporting in Baltimore and it

00:14:00 ◼   ► almost like when somebody has like a

00:14:02 ◼   ► personal ax to grind

00:14:04 ◼   ► in in this kind of medium you that the

00:14:07 ◼   ► quality or the result usually suffers

00:14:09 ◼   ► and I think maybe this was David Simon

00:14:11 ◼   ► like finally getting his time to tell it

00:14:13 ◼   ► to like grind some axes about his new

00:14:15 ◼   ► Sabre background even though and I think

00:14:18 ◼   ► that might have clouded his judgment a

00:14:19 ◼   ► little bit in like what makes for a good

00:14:21 ◼   ► story for the wire and what these

00:14:24 ◼   ► characters really would and should be

00:14:25 ◼   ► doing you know maybe maybe he so badly

00:14:28 ◼   ► wanted to grind those axes that they

00:14:32 ◼   ► clouded his judgment is what I'm saying

00:14:34 ◼   ► that make sense yeah but I mean the wire

00:14:37 ◼   ► can't be my number one because it is

00:14:38 ◼   ► such a downer like I can't just pop on

00:14:41 ◼   ► an episode of the wire and be like oh

00:14:42 ◼   ► let me just cuddle up to this it's not

00:14:46 ◼   ► boogie I I like it a lot I mean I agree

00:14:50 ◼   ► I love it I love it too when we're

00:14:52 ◼   ► looking forward to rewatching the

00:14:54 ◼   ► remaster right yeah yeah so we're gonna

00:14:58 ◼   ► how many times have we seen the wire

00:15:00 ◼   ► together uh it's something like two and

00:15:02 ◼   ► a half all the way through yeah I'm like

00:15:05 ◼   ► that three yeah we everyone so we just

00:15:07 ◼   ► get that bug to watch the wire and it is

00:15:10 ◼   ► it is just so it's wonderful it's I just

00:15:15 ◼   ► can't even put words to why it's so good

00:15:17 ◼   ► it's just one of those things that you

00:15:18 ◼   ► have to tell everybody if you haven't

00:15:20 ◼   ► seen the wire please watch the wire but

00:15:23 ◼   ► please watch the first episode like six

00:15:26 ◼   ► times because you're gonna fall asleep

00:15:27 ◼   ► every time you're doing the fall asleep

00:15:30 ◼   ► through the first episode because it's

00:15:32 ◼   ► so dense and there's so much happening

00:15:34 ◼   ► and then

00:15:34 ◼   ► when Yuri watch it you'll understand why

00:15:36 ◼   ► the first episode of so dense but if

00:15:38 ◼   ► you're watching him for the first time

00:15:40 ◼   ► just plow on through just get there and

00:15:43 ◼   ► you will be hooked yep same deal in

00:15:45 ◼   ► season 2 starts the inter season 2

00:15:48 ◼   ► you're like I don't know these people

00:15:49 ◼   ► why are they on a docks I don't care

00:15:51 ◼   ► about this who yeah they do everything

00:15:53 ◼   ► everything's ruined

00:15:54 ◼   ► yeah nobody now yeah it all ties

00:15:57 ◼   ► together eventually it's worth it stick

00:15:59 ◼   ► through it you'll see the first time

00:16:01 ◼   ► watching it I didn't even get hooked

00:16:02 ◼   ► until the dead girls in the container

00:16:04 ◼   ► because it was kind of like a it made me

00:16:07 ◼   ► think of like a crazy Law & Order

00:16:09 ◼   ► episode I mean I was I was one season

00:16:12 ◼   ► one and you were kind of nearby living

00:16:14 ◼   ► with me at the time but you weren't

00:16:15 ◼   ► paying attention you like you know you'd

00:16:16 ◼   ► walk through the room and and see five

00:16:19 ◼   ► minutes in one room we had like one room

00:16:21 ◼   ► yeah well we had two rooms you'd walk

00:16:23 ◼   ► through the other one yeah so and and

00:16:28 ◼   ► then what hooked you was Omar in the

00:16:29 ◼   ► courtroom in season 2 yeah that was that

00:16:31 ◼   ► was amazing that was so funny we went

00:16:33 ◼   ► back and started over again for you I

00:16:35 ◼   ► had already seen I think all of it at

00:16:37 ◼   ► that point I know you that was your

00:16:38 ◼   ► first first watch yeah then we went back

00:16:40 ◼   ► yeah but you went back for me to watch

00:16:42 ◼   ► the first season and then we both caught

00:16:44 ◼   ► up together and we both finish it

00:16:45 ◼   ► together yeah that's right cuz you're

00:16:47 ◼   ► your gentleman naturally yeah every

00:16:49 ◼   ► start of the wire for you that's our

00:16:51 ◼   ► romance right there he's starting TV

00:16:53 ◼   ► shows together when one person says I

00:16:55 ◼   ► don't want to watch that and then they

00:16:56 ◼   ► get hooked and then they're like okay

00:16:58 ◼   ► I'll watch that that's how you watch the

00:16:59 ◼   ► tutors - that's true you're really gonna

00:17:01 ◼   ► want to watch it but really okay I won't

00:17:04 ◼   ► watch it yeah yep yeah and and so with

00:17:07 ◼   ► the wire I think one of the downsides of

00:17:10 ◼   ► it is that I used to love cop shows

00:17:13 ◼   ► before the wire

00:17:14 ◼   ► I love cop shows now the wire has

00:17:16 ◼   ► totally ruined all the cop shows hey we

00:17:19 ◼   ► watch white-collar but that's that's

00:17:22 ◼   ► true yeah chips and candy like it's like

00:17:25 ◼   ► it's your trash it's so great white

00:17:27 ◼   ► collar is like it's ice cream in TV form

00:17:30 ◼   ► like it is ice cream on TV and it's

00:17:34 ◼   ► indulgent and it's stupid and it's not

00:17:38 ◼   ► very healthy but it we enjoy it it makes

00:17:41 ◼   ► you smile

00:17:42 ◼   ► exactly and I'd like you know before the

00:17:45 ◼   ► wire I was really into like law and

00:17:46 ◼   ► order and like live

00:17:48 ◼   ► like the more serious cop shows but the

00:17:50 ◼   ► wiser

00:17:51 ◼   ► yeah but but like the wire is so much

00:17:55 ◼   ► better than any other serious cop show

00:17:57 ◼   ► I've ever seen and it makes the other

00:18:00 ◼   ► ones just seem so stupid

00:18:02 ◼   ► by comparison like not even they don't

00:18:05 ◼   ► just seem bad they actually seem stupid

00:18:07 ◼   ► by comparison

00:18:08 ◼   ► yeah I agree and so now I think I can

00:18:10 ◼   ► only watch shows like white collar which

00:18:12 ◼   ► are intended to be stupid presented as

00:18:15 ◼   ► stupid and kind of tongue-in-cheek about

00:18:18 ◼   ► how stupid they are yeah yeah like I

00:18:20 ◼   ► think I think white collar knows how

00:18:22 ◼   ► stupid it is oh it totally doesn't try

00:18:23 ◼   ► to hide it and I appreciate that white

00:18:26 ◼   ► collar yeah

00:18:27 ◼   ► all right so let's take our first

00:18:29 ◼   ► sponsor break our first sponsor this

00:18:31 ◼   ► week is white collar this first sponsor

00:18:34 ◼   ► is Law & Order SVU dude horrible please

00:18:40 ◼   ► never watch it no I watched so many

00:18:42 ◼   ► episode I watched so much of that but

00:18:44 ◼   ► the wire ruined it and I'll tell you

00:18:45 ◼   ► what I was like have you seen one

00:18:46 ◼   ► recently um I try to but it's just

00:18:50 ◼   ► they're so quick to like solve a case

00:18:51 ◼   ► and everything yeah it's it's the same

00:18:53 ◼   ► formula every episode oh yeah especially

00:18:56 ◼   ► SVU it's like it's it's very formulaic

00:18:59 ◼   ► it's yeah that show if you see one

00:19:01 ◼   ► recently it does not hold up anyway

00:19:05 ◼   ► let's move on because I want to talk

00:19:07 ◼   ► about another another series that has

00:19:10 ◼   ► the heavy part of it that makes it that

00:19:13 ◼   ► keeps it from my number one which I

00:19:14 ◼   ► believe you would think it would have

00:19:16 ◼   ► been my number one does it underground

00:19:18 ◼   ► it is six feet underground

00:19:20 ◼   ► actually to be precise but yeah six feet

00:19:23 ◼   ► under was previously my number one

00:19:26 ◼   ► favorite TV series ever but in recent

00:19:28 ◼   ► years I haven't I used to rewatch it at

00:19:33 ◼   ► least once a year since the first time I

00:19:35 ◼   ► saw which was like right after college

00:19:37 ◼   ► and Marcos Pittsburgh apartment we were

00:19:40 ◼   ► it's like what 2,000 who knows four or

00:19:44 ◼   ► five I graduated 2005 so yeah 2005 and

00:19:47 ◼   ► so it used to be my favorite I loved it

00:19:51 ◼   ► I loved all the characters I loved the

00:19:54 ◼   ► structure of it I thought it was so

00:19:56 ◼   ► original I really loved the kind of

00:19:59 ◼   ► absurdist like taking you out of the act

00:20:01 ◼   ► to these quirky little not dream

00:20:04 ◼   ► sequences but yeah I guess they kind of

00:20:06 ◼   ► were like hallucinations

00:20:07 ◼   ► yeah hallucinations of the characters

00:20:09 ◼   ► that kind of added depth to who they

00:20:11 ◼   ► were but I just everything about that

00:20:14 ◼   ► show just spoke to my I don't know inner

00:20:17 ◼   ► theater nerd maybe that's what it was

00:20:19 ◼   ► but it was it was fantastic and I loved

00:20:24 ◼   ► watching it and now I think in our life

00:20:28 ◼   ► as we've gotten older a lot of the

00:20:30 ◼   ► themes are way too heavy for me like I

00:20:35 ◼   ► feel like some of them are a little bit

00:20:37 ◼   ► too personal like and I just I can't

00:20:41 ◼   ► watch them anymore in the same

00:20:44 ◼   ► light-hearted carefreeness that I used

00:20:47 ◼   ► to watch them and yeah it just it's too

00:20:51 ◼   ► much for me I think about wanting to put

00:20:53 ◼   ► on again and watch it but I'm just never

00:20:57 ◼   ► in that mindset that I want to feel that

00:20:59 ◼   ► bad

00:21:00 ◼   ► so I guess I like the wire because thank

00:21:04 ◼   ► God like we are we're pretty removed

00:21:06 ◼   ► from the reality of the wire even though

00:21:09 ◼   ► it is very much reality for many many

00:21:11 ◼   ► people but I think six feet under is a

00:21:15 ◼   ► reality also for a lot of people and

00:21:18 ◼   ► yeah I still have it on my list is

00:21:21 ◼   ► number three because it's so fantastic

00:21:23 ◼   ► and I did love it for such a long time

00:21:25 ◼   ► but it is down it is down two slots yeah

00:21:29 ◼   ► that I I think that you know there's a

00:21:32 ◼   ► number of factors going into that I

00:21:33 ◼   ► first of all I agree it's a fantastic

00:21:35 ◼   ► show and it was it was in my list of

00:21:37 ◼   ► like top five that I should that I'm

00:21:38 ◼   ► considering but you know you have to

00:21:42 ◼   ► think about at the time it came out like

00:21:44 ◼   ► when it came out in the early 2000s

00:21:46 ◼   ► there there were no dramas like that

00:21:50 ◼   ► really like no there was nothing like

00:21:52 ◼   ► that

00:21:52 ◼   ► like now we have so many of these like

00:21:55 ◼   ► HBO / Showtime premium dramas with like

00:21:59 ◼   ► a lot of heavy themes and death and

00:22:01 ◼   ► maturity and everything like now those

00:22:04 ◼   ► dramas have become dime-a-dozen

00:22:06 ◼   ► and so it back then it was it was such a

00:22:09 ◼   ► like shocker like whoa this is so deep

00:22:12 ◼   ► this is so heavy it's so real

00:22:15 ◼   ► yeah it felt really real and it was

00:22:19 ◼   ► really it was very original for for its

00:22:21 ◼   ► time and now you know it's it's so easy

00:22:24 ◼   ► to to minimize that now or or it's less

00:22:27 ◼   ► significant now because we have so many

00:22:30 ◼   ► other shows like that and you know and

00:22:33 ◼   ► and the heavy stuff you're right like I

00:22:35 ◼   ► think as you get older as you go through

00:22:38 ◼   ► like you know growing up getting a job

00:22:40 ◼   ► having kids having like you know getting

00:22:43 ◼   ► having parents that are getting older

00:22:45 ◼   ► and all sorts of like crazy stuff like

00:22:46 ◼   ► if you're watching a lot of life stuff

00:22:49 ◼   ► yeah all sorts of life stuff having

00:22:51 ◼   ► relationships especially people who have

00:22:53 ◼   ► relationships that that don't go well or

00:22:55 ◼   ► have problems in the same way that these

00:22:56 ◼   ► characters are having problems like I

00:22:58 ◼   ► think that can very quickly become as

00:23:00 ◼   ► you said like something that you'd like

00:23:01 ◼   ► you're just never up for experiencing

00:23:04 ◼   ► that again like if given the choice

00:23:06 ◼   ► between burdening yourself with that

00:23:09 ◼   ► emotionally for an evening or watching

00:23:11 ◼   ► white collar and eating ice cream I

00:23:13 ◼   ► think or watching the office again right

00:23:15 ◼   ► I I think watching white collar and

00:23:17 ◼   ► eating ice cream is gonna win every time

00:23:18 ◼   ► every time you know it's it's like like

00:23:21 ◼   ► aspirationally it's like how like

00:23:22 ◼   ► Netflix put up this thing forever ago I

00:23:24 ◼   ► don't know but it's like you know the

00:23:26 ◼   ► people always like add these heavy Oscar

00:23:28 ◼   ► movies to their - they're cute - why'd

00:23:30 ◼   ► you never watch those Oscar movies I

00:23:32 ◼   ► can't and it was just like I can't

00:23:34 ◼   ► listen to like depressing grunge albums

00:23:36 ◼   ► anymore

00:23:37 ◼   ► because I I can't listen I can't do it

00:23:40 ◼   ► I'm sorry you know live you're over for

00:23:44 ◼   ► me does anybody listen alive lightning

00:23:48 ◼   ► crashes Marco oh my god like I think I

00:23:52 ◼   ► think that maybe that's just like an old

00:23:53 ◼   ► person thing you know like like as we

00:23:55 ◼   ► old people now really in 30 where I'm 33

00:24:00 ◼   ► right or am i 34 here 33 I'm 33 right

00:24:04 ◼   ► and and so I you know we we have a house

00:24:08 ◼   ► we have a kid we have a dog you know

00:24:11 ◼   ► like we spent today at a party at our

00:24:14 ◼   ► child's preschool so I think that makes

00:24:17 ◼   ► us old people and you know what like it

00:24:21 ◼   ► gets to a point I think where you're

00:24:22 ◼   ► just not in the mood for that drama like

00:24:24 ◼   ► even when Breaking Bad was happening we

00:24:26 ◼   ► watched that basically one season two

00:24:28 ◼   ► legs we're watching at all

00:24:29 ◼   ► Netflix and stuff and and we would watch

00:24:32 ◼   ► it and like we watch like one episode

00:24:34 ◼   ► and that show is so heavy that even like

00:24:37 ◼   ► after one episode every like I don't

00:24:39 ◼   ► want to watch another one tonight yeah

00:24:40 ◼   ► you couldn't watch I wanted to watch him

00:24:42 ◼   ► another one but yeah but no but I was

00:24:44 ◼   ► like I'm like it's so heavy I'm so down

00:24:46 ◼   ► and stressed out right now can we just

00:24:48 ◼   ► like watch white-collar now and go to

00:24:49 ◼   ► bed like like it was so I just couldn't

00:24:54 ◼   ► take it and and Breaking Bad I think as

00:24:56 ◼   ► an excellent show that I have I have

00:24:57 ◼   ► that as my you know in my top five to

00:24:59 ◼   ► consider as well but I haven't rewatched

00:25:02 ◼   ► it yet so it's a little early to say

00:25:03 ◼   ► yeah ivory watched it and it didn't make

00:25:06 ◼   ► my top 5 it didn't even make my

00:25:08 ◼   ► three-way tie for fifth yeah but I still

00:25:12 ◼   ► really really like it and I think it's a

00:25:14 ◼   ► fantastic series and I wish I kind of

00:25:17 ◼   ► had room for it in my top 5 it might it

00:25:20 ◼   ► might be maybe it's next to 6 feet under

00:25:22 ◼   ► because you know they're kind of in the

00:25:25 ◼   ► same boat where I can't really rewatch

00:25:27 ◼   ► them more than I already have now kind

00:25:31 ◼   ► of kind of burnt out that's fair

00:25:33 ◼   ► so what other ones do you have have we

00:25:38 ◼   ► have all of your top 4 now no that was

00:25:41 ◼   ► just number 3 was talking about Six Feet

00:25:42 ◼   ► Under and I'm gonna final one yeah are

00:25:44 ◼   ► you ready for this I am

00:25:45 ◼   ► it is Mad Men did you forget Mad Men

00:25:50 ◼   ► existed yeah you did yeah yeah you know

00:25:53 ◼   ► it just finished like we just saw it

00:25:56 ◼   ► really no actually it's on the very

00:25:57 ◼   ► bottom of my short list in like fading

00:25:59 ◼   ► pen that I grabbed like at the very and

00:26:02 ◼   ► I'm like oh my god I forgot about Mad

00:26:03 ◼   ► Men and then I quickly popped it into

00:26:05 ◼   ► the number four slot because it is so

00:26:08 ◼   ► good it we just finished watching it so

00:26:11 ◼   ► it's pretty fresh in my mind

00:26:12 ◼   ► we after we finished watching it we went

00:26:14 ◼   ► back and watched the first episode and

00:26:16 ◼   ► it was even better like it was but we

00:26:19 ◼   ► haven't gone through a full rewatch I've

00:26:21 ◼   ► every watched it the whole thing not

00:26:24 ◼   ► what the last season but oh I don't know

00:26:26 ◼   ► I don't know you've gone through yeah

00:26:27 ◼   ► I've gone through it because I usually

00:26:30 ◼   ► have TV shows on while I'm editing

00:26:32 ◼   ► photos so you have a lot of stuff but I

00:26:35 ◼   ► just again it's it's great depth it's

00:26:38 ◼   ► great human stories but yeah it's

00:26:40 ◼   ► because it's like period if

00:26:43 ◼   ► very removed from my life so I don't I

00:26:46 ◼   ► don't feel like it's as heavy as

00:26:48 ◼   ► something like a Six Feet Under

00:26:50 ◼   ► right I think you can't like the issues

00:26:52 ◼   ► these people are facing are not usually

00:26:54 ◼   ► issues that we face it's more of like a

00:26:58 ◼   ► lens into history and you're you're

00:27:00 ◼   ► watching these people and there are

00:27:01 ◼   ► extremely painful moments and there's

00:27:04 ◼   ► very frustrating moments and there are

00:27:06 ◼   ► very down moments but overall I I found

00:27:11 ◼   ► the phenomenon I guess of Mad Men to be

00:27:15 ◼   ► worthy enough of a spot in the top four

00:27:18 ◼   ► yeah I I might be with you in that I

00:27:20 ◼   ► have to rewatch it first up before I can

00:27:22 ◼   ► say for sure but it was very good but

00:27:24 ◼   ► again like I've only seen it once

00:27:26 ◼   ► through really and it has spanned the

00:27:28 ◼   ► last what like six years it's been on

00:27:30 ◼   ► for a long time but I mean like the

00:27:32 ◼   ► whole all the themes of women's rights

00:27:34 ◼   ► and how that evolved and that just

00:27:36 ◼   ► powers me up man I just want yeah you

00:27:38 ◼   ► know punch my fist in the air and just

00:27:39 ◼   ► be like yeah so it enrages me you know

00:27:43 ◼   ► what I mean it's just it's insane how

00:27:46 ◼   ► poorly treated women were and people

00:27:49 ◼   ► were like and how how different

00:27:51 ◼   ► everything was it really does put quite

00:27:53 ◼   ► and was a anthropological lens

00:27:57 ◼   ► I guess into into the history there of

00:27:59 ◼   ► that part of history and especially you

00:28:01 ◼   ► know being from New York living in New

00:28:03 ◼   ► York we worked in the city like we have

00:28:05 ◼   ► a little bit of a taste of that culture

00:28:08 ◼   ► that they are looking back into at a

00:28:11 ◼   ► time that we weren't there and our pant

00:28:13 ◼   ► you know our parents were children at

00:28:15 ◼   ► that time and that's also cool to think

00:28:17 ◼   ► about because I don't know about you but

00:28:19 ◼   ► I had my oh yeah no I do know about you

00:28:22 ◼   ► because you're my husband like our

00:28:24 ◼   ► relatives were the ones that were

00:28:26 ◼   ► working in the city yeah and and doing

00:28:29 ◼   ► similar jobs I mean not in advertising

00:28:32 ◼   ► but I mean my my grandma would go into

00:28:35 ◼   ► the city as a working woman and work for

00:28:37 ◼   ► a patterning company I think

00:28:42 ◼   ► McCall's I can't think of any way stat I

00:28:45 ◼   ► mean she would go into the city and she

00:28:47 ◼   ► had a job in Manhattan during that time

00:28:49 ◼   ► so it was it's kind of it's kind of neat

00:28:53 ◼   ► to think about it historically in a

00:28:55 ◼   ► personal way as well

00:28:56 ◼   ► as a universal people way yeah so that's

00:29:01 ◼   ► why it's in my top 4 yeah that makes a

00:29:03 ◼   ► lot of sense and now I want to rewatch

00:29:04 ◼   ► it the first first we gotta watch the

00:29:06 ◼   ► widescreen wire that was that first

00:29:08 ◼   ► before I think so okay well we already

00:29:11 ◼   ► been long we already started watching

00:29:13 ◼   ► the first episode so I love madmen

00:29:15 ◼   ► madman

00:29:16 ◼   ► we went back right after the final

00:29:19 ◼   ► episode again spoiler dong but you know

00:29:21 ◼   ► it's I'm not gonna talk about it so I

00:29:24 ◼   ► guess it was great unspoiled Ong but if

00:29:28 ◼   ► you do watch it stop thinking about

00:29:30 ◼   ► spoilers all right yeah so what's so now

00:29:40 ◼   ► that we've heard about my list and you

00:29:43 ◼   ► are kind of envious of my picks a little

00:29:45 ◼   ► bit yeah I know because you forgot about

00:29:47 ◼   ► like half the things we've watched yep

00:29:50 ◼   ► what's on your list and I think we

00:29:53 ◼   ► should talk about runner-ups at the very

00:29:55 ◼   ► end yeah so number one was wire no

00:29:58 ◼   ► question the wire number one although I

00:30:00 ◼   ► do have note of you know season 1

00:30:02 ◼   ► through 4 is really the star of the show

00:30:04 ◼   ► season 5 is week season 5 is in your

00:30:07 ◼   ► number 5 slot yeah somewhere in the top

00:30:11 ◼   ► few I want Arrested Development but

00:30:14 ◼   ► again seasons 1 & 2 Rockstar season 3

00:30:16 ◼   ► okay

00:30:17 ◼   ► season 4 did not exist if this is gonna

00:30:20 ◼   ► be like your video games where you're

00:30:21 ◼   ► like I have a number 7 yeah yeah it's

00:30:24 ◼   ► basically was that and then and six feet

00:30:26 ◼   ► under I think should be somewhere around

00:30:27 ◼   ► here - probably probably around the same

00:30:28 ◼   ► level as Arrested Development Wow see

00:30:30 ◼   ► I'm surprised at 6 feet under is on

00:30:32 ◼   ► there for you it was a very good show I

00:30:34 ◼   ► know and we have a lot of his we have I

00:30:36 ◼   ► also have like the memory of us watching

00:30:38 ◼   ► it together for the first time which you

00:30:40 ◼   ► know changes things - absolutely yeah

00:30:42 ◼   ► like I remember sitting there in

00:30:43 ◼   ► Pittsburgh on the cold fall evenings the

00:30:45 ◼   ► windows open yep

00:30:47 ◼   ► yeah it's great on your hand me down

00:30:48 ◼   ► couch from your brother-in-law uh-huh

00:30:50 ◼   ► yeah that was arranged badly until you

00:30:52 ◼   ► came over amazing because I apparently

00:30:54 ◼   ► can't arrange furniture in a room okay

00:30:56 ◼   ► focus list so then and Breaking Bad I

00:30:59 ◼   ► think I had down here as well that

00:31:01 ◼   ► should be somewhere in probably didn't

00:31:03 ◼   ► top ten at least okay so why Breaking

00:31:05 ◼   ► Bad make the list for you well again I

00:31:07 ◼   ► think it's a little early to say but I

00:31:09 ◼   ► do

00:31:10 ◼   ► I do want to really consider it for this

00:31:14 ◼   ► presence because I do think it was well

00:31:16 ◼   ► it had a good

00:31:18 ◼   ► it was very encompassing like the whole

00:31:21 ◼   ► series it felt closure i I couldn't I

00:31:25 ◼   ► I'm sorry to interrupt you but real

00:31:27 ◼   ► quick I couldn't put on something like

00:31:28 ◼   ► um like The Sopranos because I didn't

00:31:32 ◼   ► like one of the seasons and then I also

00:31:34 ◼   ► didn't like how it ended like it didn't

00:31:35 ◼   ► feel close to me so like I couldn't

00:31:38 ◼   ► really put it on but see The Sopranos

00:31:41 ◼   ► I think the Sopranos also benefits from

00:31:45 ◼   ► what I described what I just described a

00:31:47 ◼   ► six feet under which is like at the time

00:31:48 ◼   ► it was out there were no other shows

00:31:50 ◼   ► that really like that surprises even its

00:31:53 ◼   ► that's that to me when there like some

00:31:55 ◼   ► of the scenes I can't even watch yeah

00:31:57 ◼   ► it's crazy like there are certain things

00:31:59 ◼   ► I can watch and certain thing I don't

00:32:01 ◼   ► know why but certain Sopranos scenes

00:32:03 ◼   ► just rub they were so angry and violent

00:32:06 ◼   ► yeah like it was so so much anger in the

00:32:09 ◼   ► violence that I couldn't watch it or I

00:32:13 ◼   ► feel like a lot of the times violence in

00:32:16 ◼   ► the wire a lot of it is kind of

00:32:18 ◼   ► circumstantial and it's business it's

00:32:20 ◼   ► business or it's like the it's kind of

00:32:24 ◼   ► like the the situation that a lot of

00:32:26 ◼   ► these people are in in the wire and it's

00:32:28 ◼   ► almost like they have no choice I mean

00:32:30 ◼   ► they definitely have a choice but it's

00:32:32 ◼   ► so ingrained in their culture and the

00:32:35 ◼   ► wire that this is how life works that it

00:32:38 ◼   ► feels different and then the violence in

00:32:41 ◼   ► I guess not really violence but strange

00:32:44 ◼   ► deaths and six feet under that's just

00:32:45 ◼   ► some of its that's just a random random

00:32:48 ◼   ► yeah bizarre death it's not really

00:32:50 ◼   ► particularly violent so yeah I had the

00:32:54 ◼   ► mm-hmm I can't do Sopranos Sopranos well

00:32:57 ◼   ► surprise I think also like so I do think

00:33:00 ◼   ► a lot of people say best show ever and I

00:33:01 ◼   ► think it really was it benefited from

00:33:04 ◼   ► its newness at the time and also I think

00:33:08 ◼   ► it had really spotty writing like like

00:33:11 ◼   ► some of the seasons and episodes were

00:33:13 ◼   ► way way better than others some of them

00:33:16 ◼   ► I thought were downright stupid

00:33:18 ◼   ► I think spoiler dong or whatever after

00:33:22 ◼   ► after Tony got shot I think there was a

00:33:24 ◼   ► long span of really terrible episodes in

00:33:28 ◼   ► season there's like two seasons that

00:33:29 ◼   ► were just awful like almost unwatchable

00:33:31 ◼   ► bad characters doing things that were

00:33:34 ◼   ► way out of character things like that

00:33:35 ◼   ► like it was just like I being so

00:33:38 ◼   ► sensitive to what I perceive as poor

00:33:40 ◼   ► writing I I had a hard time with The

00:33:43 ◼   ► Sopranos and I don't think I would

00:33:44 ◼   ► rewatch it just because I I don't think

00:33:47 ◼   ► I would get past those points very well

00:33:49 ◼   ► we'll see Breaking Bad now let's get

00:33:51 ◼   ► back to your right so I'm in Breaking

00:33:53 ◼   ► Bad has a lot of that angry violence in

00:33:55 ◼   ► it too it does and I have a very hard

00:33:57 ◼   ► time watching especially like a lot of

00:33:59 ◼   ► the scenes with Tuco you know like I I

00:34:01 ◼   ► can't

00:34:02 ◼   ► it's very hard for me to watch that and

00:34:05 ◼   ► well Breaking Bad so much because like

00:34:07 ◼   ► it's such a strange mix of yeah well

00:34:11 ◼   ► what it is also like it's it's kind of

00:34:13 ◼   ► it has a similar problem that weeds has

00:34:15 ◼   ► which is like breaking bad is really

00:34:18 ◼   ► didn't even make my short list it's not

00:34:20 ◼   ► good but we watch out anyway but it's

00:34:23 ◼   ► not good I would also say Dexter has a

00:34:25 ◼   ► similar issue

00:34:27 ◼   ► Dexter's better than weeds but I like

00:34:30 ◼   ► Michael something Hall what I see

00:34:33 ◼   ► Michael see home sure I think I don't

00:34:36 ◼   ► know yeah he's a great actor but you

00:34:41 ◼   ► know III think Dexter had has a really

00:34:44 ◼   ► big problem with consistency and also it

00:34:46 ◼   ► just gets so repetitive at the end was

00:34:47 ◼   ► so bad oh yeah the last season because

00:34:52 ◼   ► the end was so bad yeah and it had a

00:34:55 ◼   ► couple of seasons in the middle that

00:34:56 ◼   ► were like the whole season was stupid -

00:34:57 ◼   ► yeah yeah but so it's really how many

00:35:01 ◼   ► serial killers are there in Miami like

00:35:03 ◼   ► why are there so many serial killers in

00:35:05 ◼   ► one small area of the United States the

00:35:08 ◼   ► moral of the story is don't go to

00:35:09 ◼   ► Florida oh my god there's so many people

00:35:12 ◼   ► killing people down there they're just

00:35:14 ◼   ► oh no just don't even cross the border

00:35:16 ◼   ► like it yeah crazy town just stay away

00:35:18 ◼   ► from Florida that's what I couldn't buy

00:35:20 ◼   ► about Dexter like yeah every it was like

00:35:23 ◼   ► a bad cop show that every episode they

00:35:25 ◼   ► kept the bat they like someone caught

00:35:26 ◼   ► the bad guy and it's fine when the

00:35:28 ◼   ► crimes vary but when it's all serial

00:35:31 ◼   ► killers like that just boggles my mind

00:35:34 ◼   ► yeah anyway so going back for you going

00:35:37 ◼   ► back inside we got

00:35:38 ◼   ► here so I think weeds and Breaking Bad

00:35:40 ◼   ► both had a similar issue of the main

00:35:43 ◼   ► plot point was everything just keeps

00:35:47 ◼   ► going wrong and getting worse like

00:35:49 ◼   ► that's like that's the only thing that

00:35:51 ◼   ► just keeps happening is everything just

00:35:52 ◼   ► keeps getting worse the characters try

00:35:54 ◼   ► something and they get themselves into

00:35:55 ◼   ► some horrible situation and everything

00:35:57 ◼   ► just gets worse because they're horrible

00:35:58 ◼   ► I can't stand when the failure in a TV

00:36:02 ◼   ► show like the the big crisis moment is

00:36:04 ◼   ► due to miscommunication that makes me

00:36:08 ◼   ► insane like like or a lack of people I

00:36:11 ◼   ► can lost like a lack of communication

00:36:13 ◼   ► like don't even talk about loss is three

00:36:15 ◼   ► just tell people look we're from this

00:36:17 ◼   ► side of the island oh so are we oh these

00:36:19 ◼   ► open your mouths and talk to each other

00:36:21 ◼   ► like the whole like just like the big

00:36:23 ◼   ► thing in Breaking Bad when he lost his

00:36:25 ◼   ► money to those crazy people because he

00:36:27 ◼   ► thought someone was gonna spoiler dong

00:36:28 ◼   ► because you know he thought someone was

00:36:30 ◼   ► coming for them and then he gave someone

00:36:32 ◼   ► the coordinates and then they showed up

00:36:34 ◼   ► but the wrong person showed up and then

00:36:35 ◼   ► they start you oh my god just talk to

00:36:38 ◼   ► each other and say what you're doing

00:36:39 ◼   ► like that would have solved every I hate

00:36:42 ◼   ► when I can figure out the one line that

00:36:44 ◼   ► they needed to say to solve everything

00:36:46 ◼   ► that ruins a show for me right and also

00:36:48 ◼   ► that like a normal person in its in the

00:36:51 ◼   ► situation would have just said that one

00:36:52 ◼   ► line yeah exactly like it's it's not

00:36:55 ◼   ► like it's not like there was this some

00:36:56 ◼   ► unfortunate tragedy where this doesn't

00:36:58 ◼   ► this you know would never have happened

00:37:00 ◼   ► you know if you put regular people in

00:37:02 ◼   ► the situation they would have you

00:37:03 ◼   ► communicated something more and this

00:37:04 ◼   ► wouldn't have been a problem yeah the

00:37:05 ◼   ► show kind of would have been over if

00:37:07 ◼   ► Walter was like hey Skyler I might be

00:37:10 ◼   ► able to sell some drugs what do you

00:37:13 ◼   ► think about this exactly anyway so yeah

00:37:17 ◼   ► so the whole like the type of show where

00:37:20 ◼   ► everyone just keeps messing themselves

00:37:23 ◼   ► up and getting themselves into

00:37:24 ◼   ► increasingly horrible situations I think

00:37:27 ◼   ► is kind of like a cheap shot and and I

00:37:29 ◼   ► get tired of it easily and so that's why

00:37:31 ◼   ► I could watch weeds Breaking Bad's on

00:37:33 ◼   ► your list now it yeah because you

00:37:35 ◼   ► couldn't think of anything else to put

00:37:37 ◼   ► on your list yeah pretty much I ended it

00:37:38 ◼   ► last minute you want to see you remember

00:37:40 ◼   ► coupling yes I have I have one more on

00:37:42 ◼   ► my list that we haven't talked about yet

00:37:43 ◼   ► okay and that's what I've been saving as

00:37:45 ◼   ► my finale even though it's not my number

00:37:46 ◼   ► one is it a surprise special guest

00:37:49 ◼   ► it is freaks and geeks

00:37:51 ◼   ► nice Freaks and Geeks I would put

00:37:54 ◼   ► somewhere in the top three probably my

00:37:56 ◼   ► number three I it is such a good show

00:38:00 ◼   ► and and I darted that are very painful

00:38:03 ◼   ► for you you vote yet whenever we watch

00:38:05 ◼   ► they are yeah because you know I've

00:38:07 ◼   ► always been a geek and and I had you

00:38:09 ◼   ► know a similarly hard time in school as

00:38:11 ◼   ► a lot of those a lot of those geek kids

00:38:13 ◼   ► and that in that in that show and I had

00:38:16 ◼   ► a really hard time with with a lot of

00:38:17 ◼   ► that stuff and so it is very painful to

00:38:20 ◼   ► watch at times but they manage like the

00:38:23 ◼   ► show they I've heard I've read

00:38:24 ◼   ► interviews here and there and you know

00:38:26 ◼   ► from some of the writers and cast and

00:38:27 ◼   ► everything and like the show was written

00:38:30 ◼   ► mostly from real stories that actually

00:38:33 ◼   ► happened to the writers and cast members

00:38:35 ◼   ► as you're growing up and the show was

00:38:38 ◼   ► made by geeks for geeks

00:38:41 ◼   ► it wasn't it like you know now that now

00:38:43 ◼   ► that there's money to be made in the

00:38:45 ◼   ► geek label because now he could

00:38:47 ◼   ► compasses lots of very lucrative things

00:38:49 ◼   ► now it's like geek has been invaded by

00:38:51 ◼   ► like people who just want to capitalize

00:38:53 ◼   ► on it who don't really understand it and

00:38:55 ◼   ► who kind of like portray it almost like

00:38:56 ◼   ► a parody like kind of Steve Urkel style

00:38:58 ◼   ► geeky but freaks and geeks was made by

00:39:02 ◼   ► people who you could tell they were

00:39:04 ◼   ► genuine you could tell they actually it

00:39:06 ◼   ► you could tell it was painful for them

00:39:08 ◼   ► too because they went through challenges

00:39:10 ◼   ► like this when they were in school when

00:39:12 ◼   ► they were young and and so and that

00:39:15 ◼   ► comes through you can really feel it as

00:39:17 ◼   ► as a geek like it comes through as

00:39:19 ◼   ► genuine I also like how a lot of the the

00:39:22 ◼   ► people who the people who play the geeks

00:39:24 ◼   ► in this in the series they are the right

00:39:29 ◼   ► age yeah for who they're playing yeah

00:39:31 ◼   ► they're all like you know sixteen and

00:39:33 ◼   ► they well they're you know I think James

00:39:35 ◼   ► Franco and a couple of the other people

00:39:36 ◼   ► who were playing the freaks were a

00:39:38 ◼   ► little bit older yeah I think they wrote

00:39:40 ◼   ► like like this like Sam Weir and his

00:39:42 ◼   ► friends like I think they were all

00:39:43 ◼   ► pretty they were they were all very

00:39:44 ◼   ► young and they looked like high school

00:39:46 ◼   ► students were supposed to look they

00:39:48 ◼   ► don't look like the Freak mutated high

00:39:50 ◼   ► school students they were all 35 or

00:39:53 ◼   ► series yeah we're like it's more of the

00:39:55 ◼   ► high school of the cool kids that you're

00:39:57 ◼   ► following the way this was totally

00:40:00 ◼   ► different

00:40:00 ◼   ► I love freaks and geeks I thought it was

00:40:02 ◼   ► fantastic - yeah and and it was all you

00:40:04 ◼   ► know it was only on for what

00:40:05 ◼   ► two seasons it was really short it was

00:40:07 ◼   ► canceled was it two or three have it in

00:40:09 ◼   ► the closet anyway there aren't that many

00:40:13 ◼   ► episodes of it I think there's only 20

00:40:14 ◼   ► episodes it's a very short show and they

00:40:16 ◼   ► were short episodes there was even some

00:40:18 ◼   ► mixup on some of the episodes right it

00:40:20 ◼   ► wasn't like one minute I think they

00:40:22 ◼   ► aired them out of order like after after

00:40:24 ◼   ► it had been decided that it's gonna be

00:40:25 ◼   ► canceled they like aired them in a weird

00:40:27 ◼   ► order but you know with now at the

00:40:28 ◼   ► Internet with you can get him in the

00:40:29 ◼   ► right order but anyway it never had a

00:40:31 ◼   ► chance to get bad because there weren't

00:40:33 ◼   ► that many episodes and and so I I really

00:40:37 ◼   ► hold that very highly that even though

00:40:39 ◼   ► like if you if you would like if there

00:40:41 ◼   ► was some article on BuzzFeed or

00:40:43 ◼   ► something that was like top you know top

00:40:45 ◼   ► five shows ever made like I don't think

00:40:47 ◼   ► it would ever get that kind of

00:40:48 ◼   ► recognition but it does for me because

00:40:51 ◼   ► similar to like what your feelings about

00:40:53 ◼   ► the office of it being and I think and I

00:40:55 ◼   ► will put the office in this list too I

00:40:56 ◼   ► think I put it above Breaking Bad but

00:41:00 ◼   ► it's similar to your feeling but the

00:41:01 ◼   ► office like I just feel good watching

00:41:03 ◼   ► freaking geeks and it there was never a

00:41:06 ◼   ► point in it where I was like oh this is

00:41:08 ◼   ► so dumb or the characters would never

00:41:10 ◼   ► have done this like there was never one

00:41:13 ◼   ► of those big writing flaws it never felt

00:41:15 ◼   ► like too like too much or too outrageous

00:41:18 ◼   ► or too patronizing or anything like that

00:41:19 ◼   ► it just is a very good show

00:41:22 ◼   ► and I think it portrays you know growing

00:41:26 ◼   ► up a portrays high school and and and

00:41:29 ◼   ► that awkward stage and and being a geek

00:41:32 ◼   ► it portrays those things in a very fair

00:41:37 ◼   ► way in a way that really feels true and

00:41:40 ◼   ► I don't think I've ever seen another

00:41:43 ◼   ► show that really nailed it the way they

00:41:45 ◼   ► did in that way I agree with you I think

00:41:48 ◼   ► it's a fantastic series but the reason

00:41:50 ◼   ► it didn't make my list just you know it

00:41:52 ◼   ► was because I didn't feel completely

00:41:54 ◼   ► rounded out and finished as a series it

00:41:57 ◼   ► left me wanting a little bit more but

00:41:59 ◼   ► like you said it didn't have a chance to

00:42:00 ◼   ► get bad which is a definite plus but at

00:42:03 ◼   ► the same time the way the the end a

00:42:06 ◼   ► couple of the episodes being a little

00:42:08 ◼   ► strange and disjointed towards the end

00:42:11 ◼   ► and not I just didn't feel like it was

00:42:13 ◼   ► really finished like I needed to a

00:42:16 ◼   ► little bit more about these people

00:42:19 ◼   ► to round it out and make it be like I

00:42:21 ◼   ► just watched a series like a lot for me

00:42:24 ◼   ► a really good TV series feels like an

00:42:26 ◼   ► extremely long movie yeah it needs the

00:42:31 ◼   ► the ups and downs of each episode but

00:42:33 ◼   ► each episode needs to connect to each

00:42:35 ◼   ► other and then form this whole arced

00:42:37 ◼   ► story that kind of gets tied up in a

00:42:40 ◼   ► nice little bundle of of this is this is

00:42:44 ◼   ► how it ends and series that didn't end

00:42:46 ◼   ► well or were left open I couldn't put

00:42:49 ◼   ► them on my list and in addition to

00:42:50 ◼   ► series that I haven't seen the end of

00:42:52 ◼   ► like something like house of cards which

00:42:54 ◼   ► we love Brian I couldn't really put that

00:42:56 ◼   ► on my list or The Walking Dead or which

00:43:00 ◼   ► oh my god that gives me so much anxiety

00:43:03 ◼   ► well I also have a problem orange is the

00:43:06 ◼   ► new black like it's not done yet

00:43:08 ◼   ► so I can't judge it but I love it I have

00:43:10 ◼   ► a problem highly ranking shows where I

00:43:13 ◼   ► end up hating everyone in them by the

00:43:16 ◼   ► end and so I would definitely have

00:43:19 ◼   ► Breaking Bad as as one as that's one of

00:43:21 ◼   ► its downsides I would also put six feet

00:43:23 ◼   ► under on that list where they're in your

00:43:25 ◼   ► top you just said they're near the top

00:43:27 ◼   ► are they getting knocked down now

00:43:29 ◼   ► because you're thinking of some other

00:43:30 ◼   ► things well no yeah they're near the top

00:43:32 ◼   ► but but like like six feet under by the

00:43:34 ◼   ► end you hate Nate you hate Brenda yeah I

00:43:39 ◼   ► mean who else isn't it I mean you know

00:43:40 ◼   ► like you just hate them you really care

00:43:42 ◼   ► about like you know Clare and Clare

00:43:44 ◼   ► pretty much the whole end is about

00:43:47 ◼   ► Claire yeah the whole end is about her

00:43:48 ◼   ► but no but yeah like you're gonna need

00:43:50 ◼   ► to put a serious dog in the front of

00:43:51 ◼   ► this show to say that we're gonna be

00:43:53 ◼   ► talking about all these shows and then

00:43:55 ◼   ► you're gonna be spoiled yeah well so you

00:44:00 ◼   ► know six feet under it had that problem

00:44:02 ◼   ► where at the end you just hate all the

00:44:04 ◼   ► main characters Breaking Bad I think had

00:44:06 ◼   ► the exact same problem where like you

00:44:08 ◼   ► just you hate wall you hate Jessie like

00:44:10 ◼   ► hates Kyla you hate Skye like you just

00:44:12 ◼   ► hate all those people by the end and I

00:44:15 ◼   ► don't but you love Saul that's true like

00:44:18 ◼   ► I don't feel great about those shows as

00:44:22 ◼   ► much as I do with the shows that kind of

00:44:25 ◼   ► make you love everybody and like the

00:44:28 ◼   ► wire I think is excellent this kind of

00:44:30 ◼   ► balance because the wire you know it has

00:44:32 ◼   ► like ostensibly good guy

00:44:33 ◼   ► as you said earlier like with the

00:44:35 ◼   ► violence the wire it writes things and

00:44:38 ◼   ► depicts things such that it kind of

00:44:41 ◼   ► shows everyone's basically doing what is

00:44:45 ◼   ► plausibly sensible to them given the

00:44:48 ◼   ► situation they're in yeah everyone feels

00:44:50 ◼   ► justified in their actions so you do end

00:44:51 ◼   ► up hating anybody and you feel horrible

00:44:53 ◼   ► that they have to do the stuff that they

00:44:54 ◼   ► have to do exactly like everything it's

00:44:57 ◼   ► the it's the it's the drug dealers it's

00:45:00 ◼   ► the people who are in the wake of the

00:45:02 ◼   ► drug dealer like every everybody you

00:45:05 ◼   ► they're victims of their circumstances

00:45:07 ◼   ► and it's their very they're not tragic I

00:45:11 ◼   ► mean they it is tragic but you want them

00:45:15 ◼   ► to succeed and you want them to be

00:45:17 ◼   ► better yeah and and that's and I feel

00:45:21 ◼   ► like like you just said it some of the

00:45:22 ◼   ► other shows you just don't feel like

00:45:24 ◼   ► they have much hope of succeeding

00:45:25 ◼   ► because they've proven over and over

00:45:27 ◼   ► again that they are incapable of

00:45:29 ◼   ► changing and being better right because

00:45:30 ◼   ► the other shows all they can like all

00:45:32 ◼   ► the riders can ever do is just make

00:45:34 ◼   ► everything worse well it's because most

00:45:35 ◼   ► of the people that they're writing are

00:45:37 ◼   ► all like whiny people I also want to

00:45:38 ◼   ► mention like on an upside Parks and Rec

00:45:41 ◼   ► I love Parks and Rec but I didn't see

00:45:43 ◼   ► the last season yet so can boy they're

00:45:45 ◼   ► done I didn't see the last season no

00:45:47 ◼   ► dong I'm saying it for everyone else so

00:45:49 ◼   ► they don't dong and don't dog us yeah

00:45:52 ◼   ► don't Don us if you have a podcast about

00:45:55 ◼   ► TV shows we won't listen to it and

00:45:57 ◼   ► totally watch it right I mean the funny

00:46:00 ◼   ► thing is like what what the heck are

00:46:02 ◼   ► they gonna do like what-what could

00:46:05 ◼   ► really be spoiled in Parks and Rec that

00:46:06 ◼   ► would really ruin like the last season

00:46:08 ◼   ► for us it doesn't it's not the kind of

00:46:09 ◼   ► show the problem is it already felt like

00:46:10 ◼   ► it finished

00:46:11 ◼   ► yeah it's recent one that we watched the

00:46:13 ◼   ► one before the last season it felt like

00:46:15 ◼   ► it was done because they went ahead in

00:46:17 ◼   ► the future and they showed like Leslie

00:46:18 ◼   ► doing her thing you know in the Central

00:46:21 ◼   ► Park office or whatever like the

00:46:22 ◼   ► statewide park yeah yeah that she made

00:46:24 ◼   ► and like the upstairs but so that felt

00:46:27 ◼   ► finished to me yeah and so I haven't

00:46:29 ◼   ► been like akin to get my hands on the

00:46:31 ◼   ► last season because I kind of felt like

00:46:33 ◼   ► it ended yeah like seeing that if I

00:46:36 ◼   ► didn't know there was a next season I

00:46:37 ◼   ► would have assumed that was the end of

00:46:38 ◼   ► the series yeah so I'm a little scared

00:46:40 ◼   ► yeah me too okay could you guys give me

00:46:43 ◼   ► some Ron Swanson well but again I think

00:46:46 ◼   ► Ron Swanson has been a victim

00:46:47 ◼   ► bad writing over time yeah he has some

00:46:49 ◼   ► spots that are bad like he turned stupid

00:46:52 ◼   ► like in the last couple seasons that we

00:46:55 ◼   ► saw like he he actually like he just

00:46:57 ◼   ► became kind of a clown and kind of an

00:46:59 ◼   ► idiot

00:46:59 ◼   ► rather than like the like you know

00:47:01 ◼   ► eccentric you know hard-ass that he was

00:47:04 ◼   ► in the earlier ones like he just became

00:47:06 ◼   ► an idiot well that's what makes the

00:47:07 ◼   ► Michael Scott character so fantastic I

00:47:09 ◼   ► think because in general he's written as

00:47:12 ◼   ► an idiot but then you see him being

00:47:14 ◼   ► really good at his job in certain

00:47:16 ◼   ► episodes and you're like that makes

00:47:19 ◼   ► sense why he has this job now yeah even

00:47:21 ◼   ► though he acts like a fool in between he

00:47:24 ◼   ► really can get his job done being that

00:47:27 ◼   ► as a documentary about an office and

00:47:29 ◼   ► working and and you see him being a

00:47:31 ◼   ► competent person and it makes him just

00:47:35 ◼   ► so much doubt I love it yeah well and I

00:47:38 ◼   ► think that's one thing that the u.s.

00:47:41 ◼   ► office did way better than the British

00:47:42 ◼   ► office and granted the British office

00:47:44 ◼   ► only had like he was season 12 episodes

00:47:46 ◼   ► yeah it was barely yeah plus the

00:47:48 ◼   ► Christmas special thing it was it had

00:47:50 ◼   ► almost no time relative to like the

00:47:52 ◼   ► amount of time that the US office had to

00:47:54 ◼   ► devote to anything have you watched the

00:47:56 ◼   ► UK office after watching the American

00:48:01 ◼   ► office recently not recently

00:48:03 ◼   ► I tried putting it on because it's on

00:48:04 ◼   ► Netflix it is hard to watch yeah this is

00:48:08 ◼   ► not it was amazing when we first saw it

00:48:10 ◼   ► before the American office came out

00:48:12 ◼   ► remember how bad we thought the American

00:48:13 ◼   ► office was because it was trying to be

00:48:15 ◼   ► the British office which we loved well

00:48:17 ◼   ► the first few episodes the American

00:48:19 ◼   ► office was bad because it was trying to

00:48:21 ◼   ► pick the British one yeah but you know

00:48:22 ◼   ► the British one never developed the

00:48:26 ◼   ► David Burke character it never developed

00:48:28 ◼   ► that the way the Michael Scott character

00:48:29 ◼   ► did of like you just like at the end you

00:48:32 ◼   ► just hated the boss you just hated David

00:48:35 ◼   ► Brent you never liked it never developed

00:48:37 ◼   ► him into it developed him into a jerk

00:48:40 ◼   ► whereas the u.s. office developed

00:48:43 ◼   ► Michael Scott into a lovable idiot

00:48:45 ◼   ► which is and and naughty and not like an

00:48:48 ◼   ► idiot in like a charming way like it in

00:48:50 ◼   ► like a kind of like a cool he was he was

00:48:53 ◼   ► a yeah court jester but at the same time

00:48:56 ◼   ► but in the charming yes sir it can has

00:48:59 ◼   ► to kind of be a little bit smart to

00:49:01 ◼   ► yeah it was it was always like Michael

00:49:03 ◼   ► Scott was was charming and and he was

00:49:06 ◼   ► lovable and David noxious yeah David

00:49:10 ◼   ► Brent was obnoxious but they didn't

00:49:11 ◼   ► build any character depth into David

00:49:13 ◼   ► Brent we knew a lot about Michael

00:49:14 ◼   ► Scott's character in his history in his

00:49:17 ◼   ► childhood and his relationships like we

00:49:20 ◼   ► knew a lot about him throughout the

00:49:22 ◼   ► series of the office that we never got

00:49:25 ◼   ► from the British office yeah and and you

00:49:28 ◼   ► know the British office yeah I mean yes

00:49:29 ◼   ► it was very short but I think I think it

00:49:31 ◼   ► had to be that short because they

00:49:33 ◼   ► basically did what they could do like

00:49:35 ◼   ► like they I think they had exhausted

00:49:36 ◼   ► most of the value out of the relatively

00:49:39 ◼   ► shallow characters that they that they

00:49:40 ◼   ► had created

00:49:41 ◼   ► all right Marco so what is your real

00:49:45 ◼   ► list we are all very confused yeah so am

00:49:48 ◼   ► I so I know number one the wire number

00:49:52 ◼   ► two may be between between Arrested

00:49:57 ◼   ► Development freaks and geeks and the

00:50:00 ◼   ► office so that's my top four but I'm not

00:50:03 ◼   ► entirely sure of the order all right and

00:50:07 ◼   ► Six Feet Under

00:50:08 ◼   ► is then Breaking Bad or kind of like

00:50:10 ◼   ► down like in like the five through ten

00:50:12 ◼   ► range I love it like ten minutes ago

00:50:14 ◼   ► Breaking Bad was like your number two it

00:50:16 ◼   ► was it knows my number five it's right

00:50:18 ◼   ► here okay one day one of these one of

00:50:21 ◼   ► these times we're gonna get you to have

00:50:24 ◼   ► like a real list I will never have know

00:50:26 ◼   ► that'll be like the thing with the shows

00:50:27 ◼   ► I will never actually have a solid top

00:50:29 ◼   ► four list prepared in advance we'll see

00:50:32 ◼   ► you'll have to pick the topic next time

00:50:34 ◼   ► I have a whole list of possible topics

00:50:36 ◼   ► my idea is to spring them on you without

00:50:38 ◼   ► any warning like we'll just do it one

00:50:40 ◼   ► night all right now we're talking about

00:50:41 ◼   ► you know hey I put it on the eighties

00:50:46 ◼   ► cars what the hell I couldn't even name

00:50:50 ◼   ► an 80s car besides being like yeah the

00:50:53 ◼   ► Fords something from the 80s or the

00:50:56 ◼   ► Mustang from the 80s or the Corvette

00:50:59 ◼   ► from the 80s all right well thanks a lot

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00:51:10 ◼   ► that was really lame wasn't it that was

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