Top Four

◼   ► I should probably have written something

◼   ► down you're the worst

◼   ► yeah all right so Marco was supposed to

◼   ► pick the topic tonight but he read me

◼   ► one of his topics from his topic list I

◼   ► asked him to actually give me the top

◼   ► four topics that he had had but he

◼   ► refused to give me the top four so he

◼   ► gave me one and it really bad it was

◼   ► terrible it was so bad I can't even

◼   ► remember what it is right now honestly I

◼   ► have no idea what you even told me but I

◼   ► know that when you told me I was

◼   ► horrified and it was terrible

◼   ► and that was so i-i've been keeping this

◼   ► list and notes on my phone never look up

◼   ► note - my phone - ooh well like your

◼   ► gift list is there - you don't - see

◼   ► that no so I like to be spoiled I've

◼   ► been keeping this list on my phone every

◼   ► time I think of a good idea for what we

◼   ► can do for top 4 and he's been hyping it

◼   ► up like it's the greatest list ever and

◼   ► he has secrets on there that he wasn't

◼   ► gonna tell me and so I could be

◼   ► surprised when he reveals it when we

◼   ► record and all his topics are so great

◼   ► turns out they're terrible all the words

◼   ► so I pick what I thought was the best

◼   ► one what you want me to do tell the

◼   ► audience now I forgot so yeah sure tell

◼   ► me - it's that good

◼   ► so I think what I thought was the best

◼   ► one which was roadtrip food options oh

◼   ► yeah I mean come on

◼   ► and even as I was saying I was like you

◼   ► know there won't like argue how yeah

◼   ► over like how there's only probably four

◼   ► choices that we'd even list so like it's

◼   ► not even a top fours are the only four I

◼   ► would eat Arby's period period there is

◼   ► no - three or four I will not eat

◼   ► anything else on the road

◼   ► everything else is vile and disgusting

◼   ► Arby's or a bag of gummy bears

◼   ► that's nope nope warm do that no yeah

◼   ► bad yeah well you'll everyone always

◼   ► wants one or two gummy worms but when

◼   ► you get the bag you have to eat 40 gummy

◼   ► worms and then nobody wants to feel that

◼   ► way afterwards and now you get like

◼   ► stomach aches and nightmares and it's

◼   ► terrible

◼   ► you get nightmares from Commerce oh yeah

◼   ► they'll get you oh my god all right so

◼   ► our topic tonight is what so our topic

◼   ► tonight

◼   ► mmm I don't think I'm ready to talk

◼   ► about the topic that we talked about in

◼   ► the kitchen ah I don't think I can do it

◼   ► yeah I have to do a little bit more

◼   ► research I don't know I don't want to

◼   ► hurt feelings I don't want to I don't

◼   ► think I want to go there yet okay

◼   ► all right we can wait so what's your

◼   ► topic for the night so I was trying to

◼   ► vary it up because Marco was supposed to

◼   ► pick the topic since I picked the last

◼   ► two topics but it looks like I am going

◼   ► to be the topic picker of the family

◼   ► since Marcos topics are awful as you

◼   ► heard oh yeah I mean you know you're

◼   ► typically I'm in charge of wires mm-hmm

◼   ► anything that includes wires and we

◼   ► sound really good because of your

◼   ► choices yeah yeah so so I got wires

◼   ► covered and things that things that have

◼   ► wires you have generally soft things and

◼   ► things that are supposed to look good in

◼   ► the house and also you manage the

◼   ► calendar yep I'm good calendar manager

◼   ► yeah and I and I do the grocery shopping

◼   ► and the school drop-offs and you do the

◼   ► putting to beds the laundries and lots

◼   ► of other stuff yep I do those things

◼   ► making the bed

◼   ► changing the sheets yeah well that could

◼   ► that soft things yeah that's true

◼   ► yeah so we're gonna add to your faith

◼   ► hops Ubaid hops hops is soft and he

◼   ► huffed but I walk hops which involves a

◼   ► leaf which is kind of like a wire that's

◼   ► true Wow all of this is really coming

◼   ► together yeah this is a very well

◼   ► thought out very well planned I don't

◼   ► like everything I always say very

◼   ► well-thought-out yeah Marco it didn't

◼   ► even oh my goodness no less nothing

◼   ► prepared oh I have a list it's just

◼   ► terrible okay all right let me get my

◼   ► paper here I have a notebook I write

◼   ► things down and stuff I don't know did

◼   ► you hear that

◼   ► microphones pretty good all right so

◼   ► since we're not doing the topic that we

◼   ► talked about in the kitchen that we kept

◼   ► telling each other stop stop stop

◼   ► talking stop talking say before the show

◼   ► we're not doing that so you're going to

◼   ► do top four reality TV shows okay I mean

◼   ► I wanted to vary it up a little bit and

◼   ► like you know maybe come back to this

◼   ► one later but because your topic was so

◼   ► awful you have forced my hand

◼   ► to the reality TV show topic now reality

◼   ► TV shows include a lot of things it

◼   ► includes competition shows it

◼   ► I don't know competitions well it

◼   ► includes category of like survivor and

◼   ► Big Brother like those kind of like what

◼   ► some of those like kind of competitions

◼   ► but wearing the country shows various

◼   ► finding things shows working in a store

◼   ► shows working I don't know wait so what

◼   ► is Hanks would that include things like

◼   ► diners drive-ins and dives

◼   ► absolutely yeah does it's based in

◼   ► reality they're going places and they're

◼   ► doing stuff even there's one host which

◼   ► is fine but they're like talking to

◼   ► people in real life see to me this I

◼   ► think there's a lot of overlap here with

◼   ► the Netflix garbage shows category now

◼   ► do if we still want to do a Netflix

◼   ► garbage show category no this is Netflix

◼   ► car my shows I mean like but it doesn't

◼   ► have to be on Netflix but we just happen

◼   ► to consume all of our television through

◼   ► Netflix so if it wasn't on Netflix in

◼   ► the last like six years so we probably

◼   ► haven't seen it right I don't have it

◼   ► the television actually yes we don't

◼   ► have we have a television set but we

◼   ► don't have cable yeah there's a word for

◼   ► that

◼   ► we're cord cutters that sounds like a

◼   ► berthing thing well I mean I guess

◼   ► everybody would be no I guess no you

◼   ► could just wait for it to fall off right

◼   ► you know you have to cut it eventually

◼   ► I'd please don't god stop okay it's

◼   ► reality shows apparently we are called

◼   ► cord cutters yes you never heard that

◼   ► before I mean I guess I have but I just

◼   ► never thought of myself as one well we

◼   ► did it before was cool we did it in like

◼   ► 2006 I did it before that because all my

◼   ► jobs I never bothered having TV cuz I

◼   ► was wandering the country that's true

◼   ► yeah anyway so we are cord cutters I'm

◼   ► sorry to tell you but we do have you

◼   ► know Netflix iTunes and occasional other

◼   ► sources

◼   ► trust me there are plenty of chords in

◼   ► this house yes I make sure of that so

◼   ► with that being said so see to me that I

◼   ► think the goal here you know we

◼   ► discussed having a Netflix garbage shows

◼   ► category and to me it's different

◼   ► because like something like top reality

◼   ► shows I would put Top Chef really high

◼   ► on my list

◼   ► might be number one we'll see but Top

◼   ► Chef to me is really really high on that

◼   ► list but Top Chef is not a Netflix

◼   ► garbage show and when you go to the TV

◼   ► you're going to it with a certain role

◼   ► in mind if you just had a really tough

◼   ► day a really tiring day you're exhausted

◼   ► you want to go and sit on the couch and

◼   ► watch TV and maybe browse Twitter while

◼   ► you're watching TV you're not going to

◼   ► put on something like Top Chef it's

◼   ► actually good that you want to pay

◼   ► attention to you're gonna put on a

◼   ► garbage show so to me this might be a

◼   ► separate category hmm Joey split this up

◼   ► I think so I think this is chuh shows

◼   ► everything is ruined my shirt is just

◼   ► obliterated but I don't I can't think of

◼   ► anything else that's like a good reality

◼   ► show besides the two that I have is my

◼   ► top two Top Chef Project Runway yeah yep

◼   ► yeah so I don't I guess we could go

◼   ► further down but because like it just

◼   ► degrades from there it really does I

◼   ► don't so we both just said Top Chef

◼   ► would be our favorite show because I

◼   ► find that to be a fantastic reality show

◼   ► the camaraderie is usually really good

◼   ► between the contestants it is kind of

◼   ► classy you know they don't really fight

◼   ► that much it's not about the fighting if

◼   ► they do fight it's more about the

◼   ► cooking and the menus and the meals and

◼   ► who's good at their craft it's not so

◼   ► much about the the drama

◼   ► I guess that a lot of other reality

◼   ► shows kind of fall victim to and that's

◼   ► also kind of why I like Project Runway I

◼   ► mean yes there's plenty of drama and

◼   ► Project Runway but it's mostly about

◼   ► people being really really good at their

◼   ► craft and you watching them compete to

◼   ► be the best especially when contestants

◼   ► start helping each other which often

◼   ► happens on both of those shows and then

◼   ► you always have that one guy that's like

◼   ► I'm here to not make friends and I'm

◼   ► here to win I'm here to win I'm not here

◼   ► to make friends and I'm not gonna help

◼   ► anybody and it's like guys you're told

◼   ► those guys always win do you think it's

◼   ► a thing like you know how there's

◼   ► there's the Wilhelm scream have you ever

◼   ► heard of this no it's this very famous

◼   ► movie sound effect and it's kind of a

◼   ► thing to put it in every movie somewhere

◼   ► you know about movies no but I know

◼   ► about

◼   ► it's like it's like an insider joke

◼   ► among filmmakers and film buffs that

◼   ► there's this one sound effect called the

◼   ► Wilhelm scream I think that that is just

◼   ► in like tons and tons of movies from you

◼   ► know decades ago and forward and it's

◼   ► it's like this joke to kind of put in

◼   ► everything do you think reality show

◼   ► producers have that kind of joke where

◼   ► they they just always have to have in

◼   ► every season of every series they always

◼   ► have to have somebody saying I'm not

◼   ► here to make friends I'm here to win I

◼   ► think so because I'm pretty sure I've

◼   ► heard it on every single reality show

◼   ► season of like a competition show that

◼   ► can possibly remember yeah I I'm I'm

◼   ► almost positive I have and it's it's

◼   ► funny cuz it's like it's the exact same

◼   ► phrase almost every time like if there's

◼   ► not a lot of variety in that phrase and

◼   ► it's in everything even the shows like

◼   ► Top Chef which you're pretty low drama

◼   ► and even even a lot of the shows like

◼   ► like chopped or you know some like the

◼   ► shorter shows but they don't even have

◼   ► that much time to throw in stuff like

◼   ► that

◼   ► don't worry no they're still there not

◼   ► to make friends someone always make sure

◼   ► that they say that even if it takes like

◼   ► two or three episodes with a show like

◼   ► chop the contestants change every single

◼   ► episode there's still that guy that's

◼   ► gonna come on and say he's not there to

◼   ► make friends it's like you're here for

◼   ► like 30 minutes guy like you still there

◼   ► were these hairs like no no one cares to

◼   ► be here right like no one's jumping down

◼   ► your throat to be your friend like you

◼   ► can calm down see I I really hope that

◼   ► at some point they have somebody on

◼   ► there that says you know what I'm here

◼   ► to make friends I don't really care if I

◼   ► win yeah I'd like to hear that too

◼   ► it'd be cool to have to have some shows

◼   ► start throwing and throwing that and

◼   ► every time it's dead yeah but then they

◼   ► wouldn't get put on because then they're

◼   ► not like a personality well that's a

◼   ► personality just maybe a different one

◼   ► maybe maybe a less exciting one mm-hmm

◼   ► that's true you know there was a on

◼   ► project one way I think a lady named

◼   ► sweet pea she was very nice she was that

◼   ► kind of person how'd she do she do okay

◼   ► didn't get that far

◼   ► right cuz she was there to make friends

◼   ► I mean but she did make friends did she

◼   ► I don't know I kind of hope she did

◼   ► don't know think about have you ever had

◼   ► friends on a reality show see your

◼   ► essence because you know the inside you

◼   ► know and you know that the answer for

◼   ► you is yes so let me reflect your

◼   ► question back super famous so to other

◼   ► people

◼   ► have you ever had friends on every aisle

◼   ► why funny you ask I really did really

◼   ► which show would that be Top Chef and

◼   ► Project Runway I forgot what the top

◼   ► chef won yeah well I mean okay they

◼   ► weren't like we're not like BFFs that we

◼   ► talk all day so my Top Chef connection

◼   ► when I was a senior when I was a

◼   ► freshman he was a senior and we went to

◼   ► prom together in the same limo because I

◼   ► went to prom as a freshman I was invited

◼   ► by a senior and so yeah we went to prom

◼   ► together in the same limo and hung out

◼   ► together afterwards and the next day and

◼   ► I knew him from school and theater stuff

◼   ► and singing and everything and yeah so

◼   ► he ended up being a chef on Top Chef and

◼   ► his name is Richard Sweeney I think

◼   ► never said that it was such a good

◼   ► friend didn't say that that's true well

◼   ► you should at least know the name of the

◼   ► contestant on and on it was one of those

◼   ► things that you look you watching a show

◼   ► and you're like that guy really looks

◼   ► familiar and then all of a sudden you're

◼   ► like oh my gosh that's someone I knew

◼   ► but when you knew someone from high

◼   ► school and he was 18 years old and come

◼   ► on now we're in our 30s and he's four

◼   ► years old three years older than me

◼   ► anyway this American boy okay that's me

◼   ► and his life is totally different now

◼   ► so you see I feel like you you probably

◼   ► can't claim him as a friend I'm not

◼   ► claiming you can traverse day I'm saying

◼   ► I've known people on reality shows from

◼   ► real life okay because I love to

◼   ► name-drop no I really don't look so so

◼   ► you said they were two and the second

◼   ► one was on Project Runway yes the second

◼   ► problem Project Runway a co-worker of

◼   ► mine

◼   ► Alexander Pope was on Project Runway was

◼   ► it last season I believe it was last

◼   ► season anyway he did really great and he

◼   ► didn't get to the end but I think he

◼   ► should have gotten further than he did

◼   ► and I worked with him for a number of

◼   ► years at making costumes so he is very

◼   ► very talented and really a hilarious

◼   ► person who loves roller coasters what

◼   ► was the topic again

◼   ► reality shows oh my gosh the reality

◼   ► shows that you're either good or bad

◼   ► that you watch either for the goodness

◼   ► or their badness but I thought you

◼   ► wanted to separate them I do because I

◼   ► think they should be different but you

◼   ► are saying they shouldn't I mean why

◼   ► don't it sounds like we only have one or

◼   ► two good ones so why don't we just talk

◼   ► about the bad ones okay it's cool right

◼   ► up me do you have any other good ones no

◼   ► I mean I do you want to hear my short

◼   ► long list you you you could seem to be

◼   ► the one that is more prepared than me on

◼   ► this show but in reality I think you are

◼   ► just as unprepared you just have a

◼   ► written down version of your

◼   ► unpreparedness and mine is just like a

◼   ► slacker I didn't do anything version

◼   ► I'll tear you alright what do you got

◼   ► alright cuz you're gonna forget about

◼   ► half of these shows absolutely okay so

◼   ► we got Project Runway Top Chef

◼   ► Mythbusters on Starz LA Ink storage wars

◼   ► Cake Boss a GT so you thinking can dance

◼   ► Pickers Hell's Kitchen Ramsay's Kitchen

◼   ► Nightmares Dog Whisperer hoarders

◼   ► hoarders what not to wear beauty and the

◼   ► geek did you forget about that one I

◼   ► didn't you know today Preppers man

◼   ► versus food and how the state's got

◼   ► their shapes which we've been recently

◼   ► watching always like four episodes of it

◼   ► so you had on there you ask me about

◼   ► beauty in the geek

◼   ► beauty and the geek to me it was I don't

◼   ► think it has drone for quite some time I

◼   ► think it's the only brand new four or

◼   ► five seasons maybe Last Comic Standing

◼   ► was good I never saw that we should

◼   ► watch it a beauty and the geek I thought

◼   ► like I liked it in the sense that I am a

◼   ► geek and that a lot of the people on

◼   ► there I could relate to in in a lot of

◼   ► ways but I didn't think it was that

◼   ► great of a show like I we watched it we

◼   ► enjoyed it at the time but I really

◼   ► don't think it would hold up if you

◼   ► actually tried to watch it again not

◼   ► that reality shows ever do but like I

◼   ► think I think if the same show aired

◼   ► today we wouldn't even try watching it

◼   ► because I think we would just assume no

◼   ► I mean terrible reality shows aren't

◼   ► really rewatchable know what I'm saying

◼   ► like you know if they if the show was

◼   ► still running if it if it if it had

◼   ► started today

◼   ► we wouldn't even a chance mmm probably

◼   ► not no no I watched a lot of garbage

◼   ► probably if it was on Netflix we would

◼   ► probably try it right

◼   ► what about Undercover Boss it so just so

◼   ► painful we can talk about it though

◼   ► because it's hilarious he has a bad

◼   ► reality garbage Netflix show I think

◼   ► it's great because you don't put a lot

◼   ► of thought into it

◼   ► it's incredibly repetitive and doesn't

◼   ► tie in between episodes so you can jump

◼   ► in and watch any of the episodes and it

◼   ► doesn't really matter whether you watch

◼   ► them all in what order you watch them

◼   ► they're self-contained so you don't like

◼   ► watch a whole season to know what's

◼   ► going on so as a garbage show it is very

◼   ► very good and it is so very very bad

◼   ► well because that's the best thing it's

◼   ► so commonly bad like I love when they

◼   ► put on their disguises oh yeah like

◼   ► who's gonna recognize the CEO of some

◼   ► random company like Oh 1-800 limos who's

◼   ► the CEO of that nobody knows but they

◼   ► need to put on disguise because someone

◼   ► might recognize you and then the big

◼   ► time like the couple times that like

◼   ► almost happened they hype it up so much

◼   ► like oh my god his covers gonna be blown

◼   ► and then that's it and the whole things

◼   ► of math it's all gonna be over uh and

◼   ► then it's not really and they're like

◼   ► you just need to keep it quiet if you

◼   ► know I am yeah and that's it and like

◼   ► and they go to like five different

◼   ► locations in each episode anyway so it

◼   ► doesn't even matter like if one of the

◼   ► managers recognize you but yeah you're

◼   ► right like like I mean I I used to work

◼   ► at Staples and I was in college I have

◼   ► no idea who the CEO of Staples was while

◼   ► I was working there no clue I would not

◼   ► I wouldn't even know their name let

◼   ► alone how to recognize them I can't even

◼   ► tell you what age or gender they were I

◼   ► have no idea who'd like it could have

◼   ► been anybody walking in the door I would

◼   ► have no clue and before that I worked at

◼   ► bruger's bagels same deal would have no

◼   ► idea who the CEO of bruger's bagels yes

◼   ► can we just automatically cross this one

◼   ► off the list because I it's just bad no

◼   ► but it'sit's bad in a way that you want

◼   ► and you're watching garbage and so is

◼   ► this on your top for for what purpose

◼   ► well now we've moved on because what you

◼   ► only had one on your other list yeah I

◼   ► only have top chef on my on my good list

◼   ► they have lots of my bad list so you

◼   ► have no you have number one is Top Chef

◼   ► and number two three and four

◼   ► nothing so you rather watch nothing well

◼   ► one of the reality shows do i watch that

◼   ► are actually good very few really all

◼   ► the other ones that I enjoy are actually

◼   ► pretty bad okay so we're onto the bad

◼   ► right so and let me just one more thing

◼   ► on Undercover Boss the best the best

◼   ► thing about that show is how incredibly

◼   ► terrible the prizes at the end are what

◼   ► about that one guy when they're like

◼   ► he's so down on his luck he like needed

◼   ► I don't know it's kid needed to go to

◼   ► college there was like crazy stuff that

◼   ► you know the people who are on the show

◼   ► would benefit from like cash a bonus a

◼   ► trip anything and someone's like I'm

◼   ► donating money in your name to this

◼   ► charity and they're like yeah this

◼   ► worker who could really use the money

◼   ► themselves and their boss is like I'm

◼   ► gonna give like a tree in your name yeah

◼   ► that was so painful I felt so bad for

◼   ► those people that got like the shaft

◼   ► prizes it was or like the one not that

◼   ► charity is a shaft but I'm just saying

◼   ► that you know the only people we're

◼   ► working really hard and being really

◼   ► awesome at their job and kind of

◼   ► deserved a bonus cuz like one person

◼   ► they'd be like you're getting a thousand

◼   ► dollar bonus and the other person is

◼   ► like I planted a tree for you and it's

◼   ► yeah it's that's that's weak it is yeah

◼   ► it's just is unbalanced yeah and and the

◼   ► worst ones that the ones that are like

◼   ► we're gonna put you in leadership

◼   ► training at our company so it's like

◼   ► they're putting the person in one of

◼   ► their own corporate programs that it's

◼   ► like it's even its work so we're we're

◼   ► giving you a different kind of work to

◼   ► do for two weeks

◼   ► oh my god no that's that that show is

◼   ► the best because of how terrible it is

◼   ► it is not my number one worst show but

◼   ► it is really it is really quite

◼   ► unchanged I think I got to say my number

◼   ► one worship worst show will have to be

◼   ► hoarders I thought you'd say that it's

◼   ► so awful I can't even watch it it like I

◼   ► that's so bad it's so disturbing to me I

◼   ► can't I can't no disturbing i watch it

◼   ► because i can't fathom how people could

◼   ► live like that and it fascinates me that

◼   ► people can live like that and not see it

◼   ► yeah and so that's why it's like I don't

◼   ► know that's what it's like the creepy

◼   ► fascinating other that I feel like when

◼   ► I watch that show I'm like what is what

◼   ► is going through your mind you know like

◼   ► yeah sometimes I walk past a piece of

◼   ► paper on the floor and decide not to

◼   ► pick it up but I eventually pick it up

◼   ► maybe like well days later oh my god now

◼   ► it's time for you to go in the trash but

◼   ► that's as far as I go but yeah some of

◼   ► these some of these ones who it's it's

◼   ► hard to watch a couple of them I cannot

◼   ► watch animal hoarders because I feel

◼   ► very bad for the animals yep but you

◼   ► know a good show hoarders doesn't

◼   ► doesn't end without a couple dead cats

◼   ► so I cannot lie I don't know how you can

◼   ► endure that show I cannot watch that

◼   ► show it's now that I'm talking about it

◼   ► I'm pretty embarrassed

◼   ► yeah I'm pretty embarrassed that I watch

◼   ► that see to me I think I'm trying to

◼   ► think of like my number-one garbage show

◼   ► and why not - where's I watch we watch

◼   ► totally different garbage shows yeah I'm

◼   ► thinking it might be Pawn Stars Pawn

◼   ► Stars is really it's really like when

◼   ► they had like the old musketoons and

◼   ► stuff on that show the old guns because

◼   ► I don't hear about guns at all no a gun

◼   ► person at all not even not even a little

◼   ► bit but no I just I like all like the

◼   ► weird stuff they find I'm sure a lot of

◼   ► it is like set up and stage and

◼   ► everything you know I don't care won't

◼   ► care that any of that stage do you know

◼   ► a lot of people are like oh how do you

◼   ► like that this is staged like I watched

◼   ► storage wars that's so bad

◼   ► Oh Sarge why that's so good ah yeah it's

◼   ► great I love all the crazy stuff they

◼   ► find but I mean we did a little

◼   ► periscope for like two seconds and

◼   ► someone said you know was working for

◼   ► them and I hope they're listening hi so

◼   ► but I mean even if they plant stuff in

◼   ► there which yeah changes things a little

◼   ► bit I still really like the show yeah to

◼   ► me yeah so so Pawn Stars I think is very

◼   ► very good it is very entertaining I also

◼   ► really really like cut through a kitchen

◼   ► and cut through a kitchen is my kitchen

◼   ► how I don't know it's not on the list

◼   ► putting it on right now

◼   ► so it cut their kitchen to me I mean

◼   ► there's lots of bad cooking reality

◼   ► shows and cutthroat kitchen I think is

◼   ► actually pretty good like when it first

◼   ► started I thought all this this has all

◼   ► the makings of a bad one like shock is

◼   ► the worst chopped

◼   ► I can't watch because it's so

◼   ► frustratingly bad the judges are bad

◼   ► that's why it's because the judges on

◼   ► chopped are so fickle when it comes to

◼   ► what they're choosing and why they're

◼   ► choosing it and they're just like you

◼   ► would think they'd say this horrible

◼   ► things about one person another person

◼   ► completely leaves off half the

◼   ► ingredients from their dish and then a

◼   ► third person like makes something that

◼   ► just needed a little bit of salt and

◼   ► you're like oh man it has to be the guy

◼   ► that like left everything off his dish

◼   ► and then this part of it that he did

◼   ► make didn't really taste very good and

◼   ► then when they go to reveal the person

◼   ► that got chopped it's the dude who left

◼   ► off a little bit of salt like right and

◼   ► they'll say well you're we had to chop

◼   ► you please because your dish was green

◼   ► it's like it'll be like some random

◼   ► reason and you're like that's the

◼   ► problem at that show is like I think to

◼   ► enjoy these kind of these judging shows

◼   ► he's judging competition shows I think

◼   ► the audience has to feel like they can

◼   ► predict what's going to happen right

◼   ► before it happens so the audience has to

◼   ► be able to say oh based on what they

◼   ► just said I bet they're gonna eliminate

◼   ► that guy you know like the audience have

◼   ► to believe that it it makes sense to

◼   ► them and the version they're seeing

◼   ► makes sense and then with chopped the

◼   ► judges like they're there they make the

◼   ► craziest comments and they they cut

◼   ► somebody random and it just feels like

◼   ► it feels like why am I even watching

◼   ► this if there's like kind of rolling the

◼   ► dice and for all we know it could be a

◼   ► good judging panel that's just edited

◼   ► very badly when it's shown on TV but it

◼   ► doesn't seem that way it seems like you

◼   ► know either they have really a bad

◼   ► editors or they have really a bad judges

◼   ► and I think it's most likely they really

◼   ► about judges they just they just judges

◼   ► the willy-nilly they don't even think

◼   ► about it there's a one woman that she's

◼   ► just always angry or at least she always

◼   ► looks angry and just everyone was angry

◼   ► I just don't even look like they want to

◼   ► be there and they're like yeah I'll just

◼   ► judge your food and then they're like

◼   ► yeah you're chopped and it just I don't

◼   ► feel like that the people that win

◼   ► necessarily deserve it and I think that

◼   ► that's frustrating but with cutthroat

◼   ► kitchen

◼   ► they have hilarious hilarious what do

◼   ► they call them the judges no sabotages

◼   ► yeah it was we really liked Alton Brown

◼   ► so we find him fantastic we really like

◼   ► to show good eat good eats and and we

◼   ► saw him do a show live which was really

◼   ► fun so we really liked him as a host and

◼   ► then the judges they have on or often

◼   ► people that were on Top Chef which is

◼   ► excellent and also they seem their

◼   ► judging is much more competent and yeah

◼   ► the sabotages are so funny I love the

◼   ► tiny kitchen yeah they're just a

◼   ► constantly something really funny that

◼   ► is gonna mess people up and then yet

◼   ► people overcome and it's very very good

◼   ► yeah it's like like usually the people

◼   ► who got the most sabotages like it

◼   ► doesn't seem to affect who loses or not

◼   ► like it doesn't seem to have a very

◼   ► strong correlation of like if you get

◼   ► sabotage the most you will lose like

◼   ► there's not it doesn't seem like that is

◼   ► the case yeah my I definitely I love the

◼   ► ones where they have where they get like

◼   ► funny-looking tools like either like you

◼   ► know factional you're too late' of tin

◼   ► foil or whatever like so there's so many

◼   ► good sabotages there well when they tape

◼   ► things to their hands that they can't do

◼   ► it like tape is an oven mitt to your

◼   ► hand or whatever it's like your only

◼   ► source of heat is this like tea light

◼   ► it's so bad or like they just give you

◼   ► this garbage ingredient to replace this

◼   ► beautiful fresh ingredient with I

◼   ► remember what we watching that that 100

◼   ► year old egg that was on that was truck

◼   ► hopped but what they should do on

◼   ► cutthroat kitchen if they haven't done

◼   ► it is replace all if they're making like

◼   ► egg salad replace all your eggs with 100

◼   ► year old eggs but if anyone doesn't know

◼   ► what that is look that up we'll put it

◼   ► in our show notes which we do now we've

◼   ► shot the way we have shown oh I think

◼   ► you just signed us up for show notes so

◼   ► you'll be in charge of that we do a show

◼   ► notes because the first show you

◼   ► mentioned like one article so that's our

◼   ► shit

◼   ► they are not extensive they're just you

◼   ► know what they are yeah I would say

◼   ► among the cooking garbage reality shows

◼   ► I would say cut through kitchen is

◼   ► almost good enough to be on the good

◼   ► list I think it is

◼   ► was good enough to be on the good list I

◼   ► was and I think about putting it there

◼   ► under my project runway I don't that

◼   ► good it is very good you you with your

◼   ► top three you can't just like pick spots

◼   ► this is this is about the top four is

◼   ► this is about how many like in order if

◼   ► you don't have anything else to put

◼   ► between it it's automatically your

◼   ► thirds like that's just how it happens

◼   ► last show you didn't have a second like

◼   ► you just didn't you didn't know there

◼   ► was no number two for you know you had

◼   ► one

◼   ► you had three and you had like six on

◼   ► four the only thing I don't like about

◼   ► cut their kitchen is the prizes again

◼   ► are usually end up being kammath ly

◼   ► small like you know they have their own

◼   ► fault the most they can they can win is

◼   ► $25,000 but I've never seen anybody even

◼   ► go above like what about 12 or so I

◼   ► can't I can't say for sure and usually

◼   ► usually like what we end up seeing is

◼   ► somebody will win the show and they'll

◼   ► win like maybe 3,000 bucks

◼   ► and it's like a half-hour isn't so bad

◼   ► for a competition I don't

◼   ► that seems unreasonably cheap for what

◼   ► you're comparing it to competitions that

◼   ► last month's I I guess it still seems

◼   ► like a little bit too too small I don't

◼   ► know anyway so what what else do you

◼   ► have on your list for either good or bad

◼   ► reality shows slash competition shows

◼   ► slash Buster's well we have to talk

◼   ► about a little I like I like tattoo

◼   ► shows yeah much Markos chagrin I do not

◼   ► have any tattoos marco also does not

◼   ► have any tattoos I know of I'm pretty

◼   ► sure I know now okay so so so yeah I

◼   ► really like tattoo shows and we've been

◼   ► recently watching one that was that's

◼   ► called um bad tattoos I think yeah and

◼   ► it's about a guy who walks around Vegas

◼   ► fixing people's tattoos and he's very

◼   ► good at it

◼   ► I mean Marco sat down and watched a

◼   ► couple with me and I think he kind of

◼   ► liked a little bit because it's very

◼   ► interesting how good they can cover up

◼   ► tattoos with other tattoos yeah I don't

◼   ► I don't like tattoos at all

◼   ► I it's not I don't like hate people with

◼   ► tattoos I just

◼   ► just don't do anything for me I just

◼   ► don't like they don't appeal to me at

◼   ► all and so I don't I can't look at the

◼   ► show and say oh that's a really awesome

◼   ► tattoo but what I can do is I can look

◼   ► at this show and I can say wow that was

◼   ► a really creative job and a really

◼   ► effective job at covering up that bad

◼   ► tattoo you know like that's what like

◼   ► any other tattoo show I wouldn't really

◼   ► enjoy you like tattoo makeover shows

◼   ► sure it's just like it's interesting

◼   ► it's like it's a design problem it's

◼   ► like how the heck do you cover that up

◼   ► and the guy is really good yeah you

◼   ► can't see like even when there's like

◼   ► crazy thick Fontan words they over them

◼   ► up I mean they have to come up with like

◼   ► tremendous tattoos but they do it and I

◼   ► also I love LA Ink that was one of my

◼   ► favorite reality shows which is Kat Von

◼   ► D's tattoo shop in LA and I love her

◼   ► show I think she's excellent and she's a

◼   ► fantastic artist if he's ever seen the

◼   ► show she can tattoo portraits on people

◼   ► that look real it's it's incredible she

◼   ► can also draw them so she is you know

◼   ► very very talented in many many ways and

◼   ► she just happens to be an incredible

◼   ► tattoo artist there's that I have

◼   ► nothing to say I've walked through and

◼   ► seen like five minutes of it and I can't

◼   ► get through it because that that seemed

◼   ► like a shift from the pit from the parts

◼   ► I've seen correct me if I'm wrong is

◼   ► that a show that's more about like the

◼   ► interpersonal relationships and drama

◼   ► and stuff it gets there but I watch it

◼   ► for the tattoos it's like I used to

◼   ► watch I to watch it for the tattoos

◼   ► because I like the art version I like

◼   ► read it I read the articles right I do I

◼   ► do read the articles like I watch it

◼   ► because I want to see it's like I want

◼   ► to see you know the finished product I

◼   ► want to see how it comes out because

◼   ► these people are really fantastic

◼   ► artists that just happen to be doing

◼   ► tattoos on people and I find it

◼   ► interesting what people decide to put on

◼   ► their body permanently and what their

◼   ► choices are yeah yeah so also I want to

◼   ► talk about to totally switch gears here

◼   ► Dog Whisperer that's interesting okay I

◼   ► guess that's a reality show yeah that

◼   ► makes sense it's wholly reality show and

◼   ► you know we watch Dog Whisperer a lot

◼   ► and we learned a lot

◼   ► Cesar who is the dog whisperer I want to

◼   ► say Cesar Chavez but that's not it Cesar

◼   ► Millan I know it's these are balloons

◼   ► yeah but you don't know what Cesar

◼   ► Chavez look like no nevermind anyway

◼   ► that Simpsons

◼   ► you're the worst okay right before we

◼   ► got hops we watched tons and tons of Dog

◼   ► Whisperer and when he was a puppy and we

◼   ► did almost everything that they said and

◼   ► he is an amazing dog now yeah and we've

◼   ► also we have we have done tricks like

◼   ► that or like training methods like that

◼   ► in small ways whenever we are around

◼   ► like you know our parents dogs or

◼   ► whatever and they work like instantly

◼   ► yeah it's it really is incredible how

◼   ► much Cesar is right about how dogs work

◼   ► and I know that there's there's a lot of

◼   ► controversy around his methods from some

◼   ► people and I don't have look too deeply

◼   ► into those into the controversy because

◼   ► all we know is that the parts that we do

◼   ► work really well well he's dealing with

◼   ► a lot of the times dogs that are

◼   ► problems or already like pretty bad and

◼   ► he needs to you know rehabilitate the

◼   ► dog so it's better and then train people

◼   ► that's there's a little logo line and to

◼   ► teach them how to communicate with dogs

◼   ► properly so that the dog understands

◼   ► what the human wants the dog to do and

◼   ► if you start off fresh with the puppy or

◼   ► a dog that's only slightly misbehaving

◼   ► and not like aggressively biting people

◼   ► you can take his methods and it really

◼   ► works like just simply taking your dog

◼   ► for a walk appropriately like not

◼   ► letting the dog pull you on a walk but

◼   ► farce forcing the dog to walk with you

◼   ► it just changes everything it doesn't

◼   ► matter what kind of leash you have on

◼   ► the way that it really doesn't like it

◼   ► just it matters how you are deciding to

◼   ► walk with your dog this is that's very

◼   ► hard for me to not say long island walk

◼   ► with your dog into the Long Island

◼   ► corner there yeah anyway so little

◼   ► things like that small training bits

◼   ► like making the dog wait before going

◼   ► through doorways sit and make eye

◼   ► contact before giving them food things

◼   ► like that just really very quickly make

◼   ► of

◼   ► very well-behaved dog yeah it's really

◼   ► we have had such great luck with those

◼   ► methods and part of it you know

◼   ► obviously some dogs are easier to train

◼   ► than others because of their

◼   ► personalities and our dog is also just

◼   ► really easy because he's naturally very

◼   ► like a rabid and submissive and it's a

◼   ► natural rug so what's next on your list

◼   ► of good or bad reality we're still going

◼   ► are we done I don't know well do you

◼   ► have you now you're trying to get all up

◼   ► on my list you didn't want anything to

◼   ► do with my list

◼   ► well we watched so much garbage I have a

◼   ► GT on here but we didn't we haven't at

◼   ► which stands where America's Got Talent

◼   ► which we started watching because Howard

◼   ► Stern's on it where Howard fans yeah I

◼   ► really don't see us watching it after he

◼   ► leaves which is presumably after this

◼   ► season no I wouldn't either I have Cake

◼   ► Boss on here okay seemed like it was

◼   ► pretty good actually like as these shows

◼   ► go there's much more about like the

◼   ► family brush painting with each other

◼   ► and that gets really old fast I mean I

◼   ► used to love watching America's Next Top

◼   ► Model until it became the Tara banks

◼   ► look at me show and it also became about

◼   ► all of the models complaining to each

◼   ► other in the house pretty much the whole

◼   ► time because I was watching that show

◼   ► again for the photographs like I wanted

◼   ► to see the photos that they got out of

◼   ► people and you know how they look before

◼   ► before they're all like done up and then

◼   ► they're you know the artistic process

◼   ► that's what I found the show interesting

◼   ► for and then it just became total

◼   ► garbage fight fest so I quit watching

◼   ► that let's talk about man vs. food

◼   ► that's a pretty good one yeah I mean you

◼   ► you're more into it than I am because

◼   ► you just love crazy stuff I mean how do

◼   ► you rank that between your other because

◼   ► you had you seem like you have a lot of

◼   ► shows that are about the same rank yeah

◼   ► I'm pulling to you here I have like a

◼   ► whole bunch my number six shows and I

◼   ► have nothing three or four but I really

◼   ► like my own versus food because I like

◼   ► well I don't necessarily want like

◼   ► watching competitive eating but I do

◼   ► like when he goes around to the

◼   ► different restaurants all over the

◼   ► country and talked about like what their

◼   ► best thing is

◼   ► it just looks so delicious yeah like

◼   ► like the that show usually has a two

◼   ► segments that the first one is like I'm

◼   ► just going to go eat something that's

◼   ► really famous and the second half is

◼   ► like now I'm gonna go eat like the big

◼   ► challenge food and I usually I like the

◼   ► first half better most of the time

◼   ► because usually the first half is the

◼   ► part that's more like food tourism and

◼   ► the second half is more like let's see

◼   ► if you can finish this ridiculously

◼   ► seemingly impossible task of eating this

◼   ► pile of garbage well see if you just

◼   ► want food tourism you could always do

◼   ► guy Furies diners drive-ins and dives

◼   ► but I find I think his name is Adam

◼   ► actually yeah the guy's name is Adam who

◼   ► does members food man vs. food I find

◼   ► him more personable and I just I had the

◼   ► places he goes they're pretty neat I'm

◼   ► pretty sure there's been plenty of

◼   ► overlap between the two but I like that

◼   ► the show switches it up and then they

◼   ► have like this weird usually like

◼   ► strange competitive eating aspect to it

◼   ► at the end it's pretty gross when he

◼   ► vomits especially after having

◼   ► milkshakes he can't keep down those

◼   ► milkshakes I don't blame him

◼   ► trying to drink like 15 milkshakes and

◼   ► you know a half hours really unhealthy

◼   ► but yeah I like it needs very spicy

◼   ► foods very large foods seems to me like

◼   ► the the like stuff like the milkshake

◼   ► thing like that that is not interesting

◼   ► to me like I even as a viewer like that

◼   ► that doesn't seem like it's that

◼   ► interesting of a challenge to me like

◼   ► the best man vs. food challenges are the

◼   ► ones that are not just like here's a

◼   ► normal thing eat ten of them but instead

◼   ► it's like here's like a tremendous

◼   ► version of a normal thing or here's a

◼   ► really weird combination of things or

◼   ► here's like a really extreme version

◼   ► like some crazy hot pepper or something

◼   ► like you know that I think is more

◼   ► interesting than yours 15 milkshakes

◼   ► it's not like that that's true so it

◼   ► seems like we have found a topic that

◼   ► neither of us have strong opinions on

◼   ► because you know so it seems like with

◼   ► garbey shows like there is no ranking

◼   ► for garbage you know I think that

◼   ► there's just one big pool of garbage but

◼   ► yeah I mean it's just it's hard to rank

◼   ► things because the longer they last the

◼   ► worse they get in terms of seasons

◼   ► usually because they start you know

◼   ► stretching you know and reaching for

◼   ► straws is that the phrase I don't know

◼   ► grasping at straws sure she's reaching

◼   ► for the stars they start reaching for

◼   ► the stars yeah okay

◼   ► and then it's just it all falls apart

◼   ► and it's not very good and even when

◼   ► they switch the people if they try and

◼   ► do that then it's jarring it's just not

◼   ► good and then a lot of it's very

◼   ► repetitive or it's sad or it's you know

◼   ► like you know the addiction shows like I

◼   ► can't watch any of those they're just

◼   ► too depressing yeah yeah I liked what

◼   ► not to wear a lot but then that gets a

◼   ► repetitive - because they always put

◼   ► everyone in the same outfit they're like

◼   ► well we're gonna try and style this for

◼   ► you but it totally looks like the same

◼   ► dress that they put the other girl in

◼   ► that was a completely different person

◼   ► they've changed the color Holmes

◼   ► Inspection home done Holmes will see

◼   ► novel see Holmes on a home they don't

◼   ► actually enjoy that much

◼   ► we tried watching a few of them they

◼   ► aren't that good that's your home's

◼   ► inspection the same guy different

◼   ► different kind of show it makes you

◼   ► spanic about your house it may if you

◼   ► own a home it's like oh my god what are

◼   ► all the things there fuck with my house

◼   ► right this instant

◼   ► that is leaking creating mold and my

◼   ► walls are gonna fall down yeah you got

◼   ► to watch Homes inspection it's on

◼   ► Netflix at least at the time we were

◼   ► recording it I'm pretty sure it's still

◼   ► there and it there's only been a handful

◼   ► of season that that company unless yeah

◼   ► yeah homes inspection and it is oh my

◼   ► god it is so scary cuz like the guy Mike

◼   ► Holmes Mike on yeah he's great like he's

◼   ► an actor yeah Canadian of course

◼   ► although all the nicest people are

◼   ► Canadian so so he's great and he he

◼   ► basically goes and homes on homes I

◼   ► think was was less compelling because it

◼   ► was like we're gonna go help these

◼   ► people who were rich enough to renovate

◼   ► their house and they just got a crappy

◼   ► job done we're gonna finish it whereas

◼   ► like homes inspection is a lot more kind

◼   ► of morally justifiable or or more

◼   ► there's more empathy there where home

◼   ► inspection is like here are some people

◼   ► who got screwed on the house they bought

◼   ► and and they usually oftentimes as

◼   ► people who really couldn't afford to fix

◼   ► it yes or to fix it right at least you

◼   ► know and like that that I think is a

◼   ► more interesting emotionally it's more

◼   ► interesting show

◼   ► I don't think you could say that these

◼   ► people who were the regular homes on

◼   ► homes that I mean come on you save up

◼   ► money to do a home renovation because

◼   ► you want to do it you specifically like

◼   ► pick something out you're trying to get

◼   ► something fixed in your house it you can

◼   ► not have a you know you could have a lot

◼   ► of money or you could have very little

◼   ► money regardless of it was someone saved

◼   ► up to do this to their home and then it

◼   ► got done wrong and it was and they don't

◼   ► have enough money to do it again that's

◼   ► the problem with the ones that the

◼   ► contractors failed okay that's true I'll

◼   ► give you that that's fair I mean come on

◼   ► that's really crappy if like you know

◼   ► your contractor comes you take time you

◼   ► hire them they do the work and then they

◼   ► end up not doing it right and you have

◼   ► no repercussion to like find them if

◼   ► they ditch you if they leave a job

◼   ► half-done a lot of them were like jobs

◼   ► that were just never finished they just

◼   ► left you know like and then the people

◼   ► are like hung up for the money that they

◼   ► already gave them and they can't afford

◼   ► to have someone else in because they

◼   ► already spent half their money getting

◼   ► the first job done that didn't work out

◼   ► okay that's fair I'll give you that yeah

◼   ► but I still think that homes inspections

◼   ► inspection is a better show it's more

◼   ► relatable it's more like because you

◼   ► know everyone who buys a house or even

◼   ► lives in a rental house everyone who

◼   ► lives anywhere everyone who buys a house

◼   ► can relate to the problems that homes

◼   ► inspection uncovers whereas the problems

◼   ► at homes on homes addresses it's a it's

◼   ► a much smaller narrower audience if

◼   ► people who can relate to that because if

◼   ► that's the only people who have had

◼   ► renovation done whereas homes inspection

◼   ► is all homeowners that who could look at

◼   ► this show and not only enjoy it and feel

◼   ► empathy for the people but also like it

◼   ► freaks them out and it interests them to

◼   ► see all the different ways that these

◼   ► houses are terrible and then of course

◼   ► that prompts you to look at your own

◼   ► house and to see all the ways that your

◼   ► own house is terrible in all the ways

◼   ► they're discussing on the show oh yes

◼   ► it's really great yeah yeah it's awesome

◼   ► yeah yeah roof ventilation very

◼   ► important very important the mold will

◼   ► come alright so this episode of top four

◼   ► our top four lists are Top Chef

◼   ► from me project one runway number two

◼   ► from mark oh nothing

◼   ► number three nothing for either of us

◼   ► right number four

◼   ► giant pool of garbage of cars with I

◼   ► think cut through a kitchen bobbing at

◼   ► the top of that

◼   ► yeah cutthroat kitchen maybe that's our

◼   ► number three well that's what I said if

◼   ► it's if you don't have something in a

◼   ► slot and there's one that's over the

◼   ► other ones it's your number three like

◼   ► you you gotta put it in there I think we

◼   ► can leave gaps so here's a question

◼   ► think you are think that's that's why so

◼   ► to close this out

◼   ► let's talk critically about our topics

◼   ► about Top Chef and Project Runway now do

◼   ► you is there anything I don't watch

◼   ► Project Runway really so so I will

◼   ► address this only to you then instead of

◼   ► you know officer myself or anyone else

◼   ► here so I'll dress is only to you is

◼   ► there something about Project Runway

◼   ► that you think is declining because it

◼   ► has been running a while you said

◼   ► earlier shows that run a while have

◼   ► things that are declining is there

◼   ► something in Project Runway that you

◼   ► think is getting worse over time well

◼   ► they have new judges which is fine I

◼   ► think that they're good judges so it's

◼   ► pretty it's fine they are getting a

◼   ► little bit more into the drama of things

◼   ► and I guess that you know having it be

◼   ► on so long it might be getting a little

◼   ► long in the tooth is that the right

◼   ► thing to say I don't know I think so

◼   ► that sounds good

◼   ► so but in general I think it's standing

◼   ► up because everyone kind of wants to see

◼   ► it's fun to watch people make the things

◼   ► that they make on Project Runway you

◼   ► know because they the challenges that

◼   ► they have are usually very creative

◼   ► especially when they use an

◼   ► unconventional materials challenge or

◼   ► they do this kind of challenge or you

◼   ► know they have to get fabric from this

◼   ► place or they have to work within this

◼   ► restriction that they put on them for a

◼   ► challenge and that's very interesting to

◼   ► see how different people kind of adapt

◼   ► to that they had a moment in their

◼   ► reality in their show one of the years

◼   ► they did this teams thing they tried

◼   ► that out and that didn't work out so

◼   ► they reverted back the neck

◼   ► year and I think they even had a couple

◼   ► people on who were on the teams thing

◼   ► back because it was such a crappy year

◼   ► to be on

◼   ► I think the sponsorship stuff is getting

◼   ► a little bad on Project Runway you know

◼   ► they're really kind of hounding the

◼   ► Lexus sponsorship and cramming it down

◼   ► your throat and being like this is the

◼   ► Lexus challenge or this is the yoke play

◼   ► challenge it's like how what does that

◼   ► have to do with Project Runway is

◼   ► running around some boardwalk trying to

◼   ► sell yogurt to people and get them to

◼   ► say the words that make them think of

◼   ► the yogurt and so then you have to use

◼   ► those words as your inspiration for your

◼   ► garment like the steps to that in order

◼   ► to get back to fashion did that take to

◼   ► connect yogurt to fashion it was

◼   ► horrible I don't know why they're doing

◼   ► that kind of stuff I think that that we

◼   ► know why you're doing it oh yeah well we

◼   ► know why but I'm saying it's such a good

◼   ► show they don't really need to I feel

◼   ► like they don't need to do that because

◼   ► they are a very good reality show

◼   ► they're not just like one of these

◼   ► one-off garbage pile shows but I mean in

◼   ► general I'll keep watching because I

◼   ► really like seeing again it's the it's

◼   ► the artistic creative results that I

◼   ► like to watch I love the very final part

◼   ► of this episode is when they're showing

◼   ► what came down the runway versus what

◼   ► they had to work with and I I find the

◼   ► creative creativity and the people the

◼   ► best part that's why I like Top Chef

◼   ► it's their creativity and their food

◼   ► that's why I like Project Runway and I

◼   ► like quarters no no well I like to see a

◼   ► clean house ish even though we know it's

◼   ► probably not going to stay that way but

◼   ► that's why I tried to like top model but

◼   ► that fell through for me and that's why

◼   ► I like Cake Boss because you get to see

◼   ► all the cakes that they make creatively

◼   ► after you know what someone ordered

◼   ► versus how they come up with it and how

◼   ► they build it and it's that part's I

◼   ► love the result the creative result you

◼   ► know in a in a reality show so now I'm

◼   ► gonna turn the question that I just

◼   ► asked you about Project Runway on to

◼   ► both of us for Top Chef Top Chef we both

◼   ► agree our number one pick right yeah

◼   ► definitely so what do you

◼   ► think about Top Chef if anything what do

◼   ► you think is is getting worse over time

◼   ► see to me I can point to definitely some

◼   ► of the corporate tie-ins while it

◼   ► doesn't sound like it's as bad as the

◼   ► Project Runway ones some of them are

◼   ► pretty painful and forced yeah yeah when

◼   ► they're like let's use the Reynolds Wrap

◼   ► challenge right right and you have to

◼   ► it's like and let's say we have to pile

◼   ► every one into this new Toyota and we're

◼   ► gonna talk about how spacious it is wow

◼   ► I can't believe no I hate them drive

◼   ► themselves to go shopping like well but

◼   ► what I mind is is when they make the

◼   ► contestants talk about how nice the car

◼   ► is yes it's so obviously forced and and

◼   ► you know they're feeding them line so

◼   ► obviously Showtime with watching them do

◼   ► like the automatic parking or something

◼   ► yeah like or like oh let's watch this

◼   ► trunk open wow that opens so smooth like

◼   ► they're wasting time it's like I want to

◼   ► the show I want you to spend time on

◼   ► showing me why you're like doing the

◼   ► thing you're doing and how you're

◼   ► creating it and what your thoughts are

◼   ► you know all the good parts of the show

◼   ► right it's like we're buying the show on

◼   ► iTunes so it's commercial free we don't

◼   ► want to see a Toyota commercial in the

◼   ► middle maybe that's why they're doing

◼   ► because they know so many people now are

◼   ► buying these kind of shows like

◼   ► commercial free and it's that's possible

◼   ► honestly I doubt that many people buy

◼   ► them on iTunes but that's that's just a

◼   ► guess but so I do think that that Top

◼   ► Chef has that problem of a lot of those

◼   ► corporate sponsorships are really forced

◼   ► and and and not only do they take up

◼   ► time but I think some of them actually

◼   ► make this show worse like like when they

◼   ► mess with the challenges and then

◼   ► another another big thing is when they

◼   ► have gimmick judges at the challenges so

◼   ► one example from from a recent season

◼   ► was when they had pee-wee Herman on and

◼   ► and and I like like I was a huge pee-wee

◼   ► Herman fan as a kid I loved pee-wee

◼   ► Herman why he's real you know well but

◼   ► they didn't have Paul Reubens on they

◼   ► had pee-wee Herman the character yeah

◼   ► you rode a bike in and everything Paul

◼   ► Reubens is like 60 so it was kind of

◼   ► weird but that's right he don't have

◼   ► that creepy makeup on and everything -

◼   ► yeah and and so like as much as I love

◼   ► people

◼   ► Herman as a kid that just was weird it

◼   ► didn't fit it felt like both it felt

◼   ► like both Paul Reubens / pee-wee Herman

◼   ► and Top Chef were selling out to each

◼   ► other like they were both sellouts it

◼   ► made me think less of both of them that

◼   ► that happened and they'll and they'll

◼   ► have you know different like you know

◼   ► musicians and actors on sometimes two

◼   ► and we're like well I they like green

◼   ► things I really like eggs and Billy with

◼   ► peewee Herman it was like what do you

◼   ► make for a fictional character and then

◼   ► how does a fictional character judge

◼   ► things it was just weird yeah they'll

◼   ► have stuff like that where it's like you

◼   ► know some some of the gimmick challenges

◼   ► are a little weird and and sometimes

◼   ► they'll have them and this this is

◼   ► arguable whether this is a problem

◼   ► sometimes they'll have elimination

◼   ► decisions based on really kind of wacky

◼   ► challenges that you kind of think like

◼   ► that was kind of unfair to eliminate

◼   ► someone for that you know but that's

◼   ► less of a problem that the the tie-ins

◼   ► with the celebrities and the product

◼   ► endorsements are are I think the biggest

◼   ► challenge but for the most part you know

◼   ► I think Top Chef really holds up that

◼   ► the core of the show the judging seems

◼   ► like it's solid it seems like you know

◼   ► we've never had a serious problem with

◼   ► the top chef judging as viewers like we

◼   ► and we've watched every season so the

◼   ► the judging is solid it seems like the

◼   ► the the competition the core of it most

◼   ► of it is solid and the editing and

◼   ► everything still seems good it doesn't

◼   ► seem like it's getting too trashy or to

◼   ► into the drama or anything like that it

◼   ► seems like overall it's still very solid

◼   ► there's these few little cracks in the

◼   ► foundation that get me a little worried

◼   ► about it yeah I agree and Project Runway

◼   ► is very similar that yeah

◼   ► all right I think that's it hey make it

◼   ► work wait I want to add a segment to our

◼   ► show called I have made a huge mistake

◼   ► my huge mistake is in relation to our

◼   ► video game episode and thinking about it

◼   ► a little bit more because we recorded

◼   ► that episode kind of we were

◼   ► chit-chatting on the couch as couples do

◼   ► and talking about stuff and things that

◼   ► we like and you know and so we decided

◼   ► to jump

◼   ► Mike as you know regular couples do and

◼   ► record a podcast and everyone does that

◼   ► for the most part I'm pretty solid with

◼   ► what I've chose but I think my number

◼   ► four was not well thought out I really

◼   ► like you know Dead Rising I think it's a

◼   ► good game but but I don't really think

◼   ► it deserves my four spot and my huge

◼   ► mistake I think I need to put in there I

◼   ► think I need to put journey I think I

◼   ► need to put journey on Syracuse or this

◼   ► is not Syracuse of pressure I made this

◼   ► decision after no before before I made

◼   ► this decision before he was bugging me

◼   ► on slack okay

◼   ► but the reason I decided to put journey

◼   ► on is because I played it again would be

◼   ► it was my third time now playing journey

◼   ► and normally I don't really care for

◼   ► games that have kind of a Japanese

◼   ► animation tone to it I just that art

◼   ► style isn't appealing to me and so I

◼   ► can't usually get very into games like

◼   ► that this game does have a little bit of

◼   ► that especially you know with the carpet

◼   ► dogs dragony creatures that are in this

◼   ► game but it is way more stylized than

◼   ► that and playing through it again and

◼   ► the magic of it I think I really do need

◼   ► to have it as my top four my number 4

◼   ► slot because it's so different I was

◼   ► writing it off because I was thinking it

◼   ► wasn't as joyful replaying it as I

◼   ► thought but since we recorded I had to

◼   ► replate it again and it really deserves

◼   ► a spot because it is unlike any other

◼   ► game and its really very it's a very

◼   ► special game and it deserves at least

◼   ► number four so I put that out there and

◼   ► I'm not ever there has been so much talk

◼   ► about journey if you want to know more

◼   ► about journey the incomparable has

◼   ► talked about journey we John siracusa

◼   ► and I talked about journey on ATP one of

◼   ► the episodes we'll put that in the show

◼   ► notes along with the incomparable

◼   ► episode and Mike on Mike and Federico

◼   ► talked about Israel on virtual yes so

◼   ► there's been lots of journey talk and

◼   ► you know a little bit of hearing your

◼   ► friends talk about journey kind of makes

◼   ► you love it a little bit more because as

◼   ► you hear people getting excited about

◼   ► playing it for the first time you get

◼   ► really it it because you want to know

◼   ► about someone else's first time and then

◼   ► that's exciting and I think that that

◼   ► aspect of it the camaraderie the joy the

◼   ► the delight the the magic that that

◼   ► journey has really elevates it up beyond

◼   ► what I would I originally you know one

◼   ► off thinking about I was thinking too

◼   ► much about the fun and the instant

◼   ► thrill and the excitement and the

◼   ► adrenaline of a lot of the other games

◼   ► that I've that I've chose and I wasn't

◼   ► thinking about the small independent

◼   ► games that I have played and so I think

◼   ► journey journey absolutely deserves a

◼   ► spot so I'm sorry journey I made a huge

◼   ► mistake but I hope I'm making it up for

◼   ► you now can I stop now yeah so you want

◼   ► to go watch something stupid