Top Four

◼   ► welcome back to top for everybody hey

◼   ► this is us we are continuing the food

◼   ► theme for at least one more episode I

◼   ► know we've done a lot of food recently

◼   ► so much food but it's such a good area

◼   ► for for these topics and we're gonna

◼   ► move into something else probably not

◼   ► probably the next show but one more food

◼   ► topic for now and that is pizza toppings

◼   ► cuz we wanted to kind of follow up

◼   ► follow out to follow in follow the trend

◼   ► of annoying somebody with our food

◼   ► choices and usually that somebody is

◼   ► John siracusa to bridge some of the

◼   ► podcasting world here I'm not sure this

◼   ► is gonna put a lot of bridges to be

◼   ► honest now we'll see how it goes

◼   ► you think there's gonna be some fire

◼   ► involved so John has strong opinions on

◼   ► what makes the like what is like the

◼   ► canonical set of flank type X so if

◼   ► you've set with us for choosing bagel

◼   ► flavors that were not like among the the

◼   ► official old-school New York bagel

◼   ► flavors like the ISO cheese bagel and so

◼   ► I expect he will have a similar issue if

◼   ► we choose any pizza toppings I'm gonna

◼   ► give it an ulcer like I a maybe yeah so

◼   ► I suspect you any any like

◼   ► non-traditional pizza toppings he's

◼   ► going to have a big problem with so this

◼   ► should be interesting but see anything

◼   ► can go in a pizza because it's personal

◼   ► you call up and you order pizza and you

◼   ► put what you want on it so I think that

◼   ► the argument that there are classic

◼   ► pizza toppings is kind of that's kind of

◼   ► weak yeah well also I think we were

◼   ► helped here by the fact that like you

◼   ► know bagel stores you could go into a

◼   ► bagel store on Long Island in 1995 and

◼   ► there be like you know what eight

◼   ► flavors maybe like there wouldn't be a

◼   ► ton of flavors whereas Pizza has always

◼   ► like you go to a pizza place and there's

◼   ► probably way more options than that even

◼   ► back then let alone now as we discovered

◼   ► new new and greater Pizza Sciences like

◼   ► I think I think pizza even by like old

◼   ► New York definition has just always had

◼   ► more variety available yep yep I

◼   ► actually had an uncle that owned a pizza

◼   ► place and his first few pies were

◼   ► horrible but then he got pretty good at

◼   ► it that's

◼   ► yeah I mean if it's anything like us

◼   ► when we cook when we try to make pizza

◼   ► that's totally totally understandable

◼   ► what we make is not pizza I don't know

◼   ► what that is it's calzones

◼   ► it's a pile of garbage yes that just

◼   ► happens to taste kind of delicious half

◼   ► of which is burned on the bottom of the

◼   ► oven yeah that part we leave in the oven

◼   ► and just let it bake out all right so

◼   ► all right the rules now because usually

◼   ► we talk about our fantasy situations but

◼   ► I'm going to bring it back to reality

◼   ► for this and say that our rules are kind

◼   ► of based on realistic availability and

◼   ► execution an example only one place

◼   ► makes you know a certain type of pizza

◼   ► good and it's far away so does that move

◼   ► it up or down your list because you

◼   ► can't get it all the time but you prefer

◼   ► those toppings on that pizza from that

◼   ► place

◼   ► that's totally legit but it has to stay

◼   ► within that so like you might not like a

◼   ► certain type of topping from another

◼   ► place because they just don't have a

◼   ► better they have a bad ingredient or

◼   ► they prepare it differently but you have

◼   ► to take into account realistic

◼   ► availability combos are allowed but each

◼   ► combo is its own entry mm-hmm so if you

◼   ► have like two different toppings on one

◼   ► pizza it's not you know you're not

◼   ► saying topping a and topping B or my

◼   ► like one and two it's the combination of

◼   ► those toppings that then make the pizza

◼   ► that you are getting right so that those

◼   ► are your entries so entries could

◼   ► include multiple toppings or single

◼   ► toppings okay when you start off what is

◼   ► your number four yeah we definitely

◼   ► should move up okay my number four has a

◼   ► question mark this is top four and we

◼   ► can't stick to a topic five four well

◼   ► you win the prize all right my top my

◼   ► number four choice is the broccoli and

◼   ► onion pizza from Aiello's in Pittsburgh

◼   ► all right that's a very good pick but

◼   ► okay so let me talk we will probably

◼   ► never have this pizza again mm-hmm we

◼   ► previously had a lot of this pizza when

◼   ► we lived in Pittsburgh and I'm very

◼   ► envious of the people who currently live

◼   ► in Pittsburgh and get to enjoy this

◼   ► amazing pizza

◼   ► because uh so it's a broccoli and kind

◼   ► of like sauteed onions sauteed but they

◼   ► don't take it to a point where it starts

◼   ► to get brown at all they're kind of like

◼   ► translucent sweet delicious little onion

◼   ► bits um with broccoli that also is not

◼   ► taken to the point of dehydration it's

◼   ► just it is cooked perfectly puffed in

◼   ► like a nice little fluffy bed of white

◼   ► pizza yeah it's a white pizza base it's

◼   ► very important there's no red sauce on

◼   ► this pizza and this is totally allowed

◼   ► oh yeah that that is an option a white

◼   ► base is totally available like in most

◼   ► of New York so anywhere now yeah I mean

◼   ► I bet John could even get one in

◼   ► Sbarro's also I want to say like deep

◼   ► dish or Sicilian is up for a game you

◼   ► know it's in the running here for anyone

◼   ► who wants to pick that any one being the

◼   ► two of us and the people who contact us

◼   ► on Twitter yeah whoo I like to hear

◼   ► their opinions because it shows they're

◼   ► listening to the show anyway so oh this

◼   ► broccoli and onion pizza is just

◼   ► absolutely divine everything that they

◼   ► do with these toppings at this pizza

◼   ► place just make it so good now it is my

◼   ► number four regardless of its it's you

◼   ► know inaccessible availability here

◼   ► because I also like broccoli and onion

◼   ► on other pizzas the trick though is

◼   ► onion is very hard to get right yes and

◼   ► so is broccoli because sometimes the

◼   ► broccoli slices that even we get now

◼   ► because we regularly get a broccoli

◼   ► slice broccoli white slice it is often

◼   ► overdone and a little bit dehydrated and

◼   ► a little bit burnt and crispy and weird

◼   ► and that's when it gets bitter yeah but

◼   ► when done right I like it and I like the

◼   ► I yellows one so much that it Trump's

◼   ► all of other toppings so I actually kind

◼   ► of had a scoring well all on the top

◼   ► except for the three there above this in

◼   ► your list yeah but I'm saying like other

◼   ► toppings except for three there about no

◼   ► so I actually had a scoring method this

◼   ► time I focused and I added plus one two

◼   ► things and minus one two things based on

◼   ► how I felt about them Wow

◼   ► okay so with the ranking system I had

◼   ► even the minus one for the low

◼   ► availability at Aiello's

◼   ► fact that it exists and that I once had

◼   ► it makes it my number four that's pretty

◼   ► good I got to admit I I was very tempted

◼   ► to include that same entry on my list we

◼   ► had that pizza so much it was so

◼   ► freaking good yeah I mean a ellos in

◼   ► Pittsburgh is just the best if I could

◼   ► say one pizza place that I enjoyed more

◼   ► than any other pizza place it would be a

◼   ► tough call between our current one and a

◼   ► ellos in Pittsburgh and yeah it's pretty

◼   ► close but we can't remember how we would

◼   ► always talk about know if we became like

◼   ► gazillionaires and we could just form

◼   ► our own town of all of the things that

◼   ► we like the best that we would totally

◼   ► pay to construct and fly out alo whoever

◼   ► or whoever

◼   ► mr. alo misses alo who owns the

◼   ► restaurant and have them set up a place

◼   ► in our fantasy food town which we pay

◼   ► all of our favorite restaurants to move

◼   ► near us okay so what's your number four

◼   ► all right so my number four and and this

◼   ► is a compound pic I know it's against

◼   ► the rules but up to I'll explain why

◼   ► wait you're going against the rules

◼   ► already you you would against anyway I I

◼   ► took into account the availability and

◼   ► still picked it okay so I will too so

◼   ► here's here's the thing my number four

◼   ► is pepperoni and sausage with some

◼   ► caveats oh I need I have things to say

◼   ► about pepperoni and sausage good okay so

◼   ► first of all I love I just it's just

◼   ► like such like a nice like high salt

◼   ► high meat high grease if that's what

◼   ► you're going for like that is a it's so

◼   ► good and those are all my negatives and

◼   ► one of the NMS I should speculate or I

◼   ► should specify here

◼   ► I'm only including sausage if it is of

◼   ► the crumbled variety not sliced I don't

◼   ► like sliced sausage upon pizza just

◼   ► grunt the crumbly part you know who are

◼   ► you and what I like about this is that

◼   ► it is basically the same taste no matter

◼   ► where you get it you can get this is

◼   ► this is no no way lighting that way not

◼   ► this explain and then let me buzz you

◼   ► okay pepperoni and sausage is the kind

◼   ► of flavor that if you are at a really

◼   ► good pizza place or a really crappy

◼   ► pizza place

◼   ► that will still be good regardless in

◼   ► all likelihood like that I think and if

◼   ► you if you are at all on the fence then

◼   ► I'd say skip the sausage and just do

◼   ► only pepperoni because that that would

◼   ► also give the same general safety and

◼   ► consistency of like almost anywhere can

◼   ► make a decent pepperoni slice and I

◼   ► think that includes everything from the

◼   ► fancy New York places all the way down

◼   ► to like Pizza Hut almost anybody can

◼   ► make a decent tasting pepperoni slice

◼   ► and most places can make a do statistic

◼   ► pepperoni and sausage slice and that's

◼   ► why my number four is pepperoni and

◼   ► sausage with the speculation only if the

◼   ► sausage has crumbled okay in my new

◼   ► fangled in my new advanced rating system

◼   ► pepperoni got a negative negative one

◼   ► point for being too greasy

◼   ► you know just blotted it's no big deal

◼   ► still no it was too greasy and my

◼   ► sausage also got a negative one point

◼   ► because sausage is so inconsistent from

◼   ► place to place you can have like

◼   ► sausages you just get so piggy I don't

◼   ► know it just tastes so piggy sometimes

◼   ► and like I just it's terrible and then

◼   ► good sausage sausage that's part of the

◼   ► sausage good sausage is amazing and its

◼   ► flavorful and it's delicious and whether

◼   ► it's sliced or crumbled it doesn't

◼   ► matter sometimes the crumbly ones feel

◼   ► so grainy why would you like that the

◼   ► grainy crumbly sausage I like it and and

◼   ► to me like sausage to me the

◼   ► best-tasting sausage for pizza is the

◼   ► kind of sausage you find on cheap chain

◼   ► pizza that is my favorite kind of

◼   ► sausage on pizza no you need the nice

◼   ► slice like Italian oh it's so good it's

◼   ► the it's what I want on pizza is the

◼   ► opposite of I would want on a sausage

◼   ► pepper sandwich that's where you're

◼   ► wrong that's where you're totally right

◼   ► well that's why well that's why it's my

◼   ► number four not yours yet I know what

◼   ► I'm saying it's it is missed the mark

◼   ► for me because of Pig eNOS and

◼   ► inconsistency and grease factor that's

◼   ► those are fair criticisms I respectfully

◼   ► disagree but there's a fair criticisms

◼   ► okay moving on number three my number

◼   ► three all right you might need to help

◼   ► me with this here it is debt it has a

◼   ► solid position it is

◼   ► um tomato and garlic pie which we get

◼   ► here at our favorite pizza place slices

◼   ► it is absolutely delicious is there

◼   ► anything else on the tomato and garlic

◼   ► pie really so it's a white bass that

◼   ► you're talking about yes it's a white is

◼   ► basically a white pie with a slice Anita

◼   ► yeah of the entire circle of to make

◼   ► note no sub circle no semi circles the

◼   ► entire circle of tomatoes sliced yes you

◼   ► know placed all over the pizza with a

◼   ► healthy amount of garlic on top and I

◼   ► and I believe do they put a little bit

◼   ► of fresh basil on top under there's no

◼   ► Passover and they might put a little bit

◼   ► of fresh basil I'm it I mean that could

◼   ► only make it better but they do not add

◼   ► the ricotta right you know that's not in

◼   ► this white pie it's just muscle yeah

◼   ► yeah and is it fresh at this one cuz

◼   ► right now I'm describing a margarita but

◼   ► you're not though amory that's why I'm

◼   ► trying that's why I said I need help

◼   ► with this because I love this pie that

◼   ► we order often and it is just really

◼   ► delicious the way they do the thin kind

◼   ► of crust and the edges of the crust

◼   ► aren't too baked so it's all kind of

◼   ► soft still and the fresh tomato and when

◼   ► you can only get seasonally because when

◼   ► the tomatoes aren't fresh this pie is

◼   ► terrible exactly but when it's good it's

◼   ► better than other things the tomato does

◼   ► add a little bit of extra water I guess

◼   ► because you also have the miss rel which

◼   ► also adds water so it is kind of a bit

◼   ► of a soggy pie but it didn't always come

◼   ► very soggy sometimes the right people

◼   ► make it and it's very very good it

◼   ► probably also depends on the tomatoes I

◼   ► can't like whether the tomatoes were

◼   ► like more Meteor more watery yeah if you

◼   ► get like a mealy tomato not this pie

◼   ► then just just it's off the charts bad

◼   ► like you cannot compare it to anything

◼   ► so anyway my number three is a fresh

◼   ► tomato and garlic pie with no red sauce

◼   ► so I have two two already with no red

◼   ► sauce you'll be surprised to hear that

◼   ► my number three is almost the same thing

◼   ► really my number three is the margarita

◼   ► and and I should speculate or I should

◼   ► stipulate I guess is the right word yeah

◼   ► you keep saying speculate whatever I

◼   ► should stipulate that a lot of people

◼   ► call

◼   ► a lot of different pies margarita I

◼   ► don't think this name is standardized it

◼   ► generally refers to a class of pies that

◼   ► usually includes fresh mozzarella

◼   ► instead of like dried shredded

◼   ► mozzarella so usually cludes fresh

◼   ► mozzarella of some form usually includes

◼   ► some variation on tomato sauce either

◼   ► fresh tomatoes or a little dollops of

◼   ► sauce or both or stewed tomatoes or

◼   ► stewed or crushed tomatoes like but not

◼   ► just covered in the whole base and sauce

◼   ► usually but sometimes they do that and

◼   ► and then some like so it's like and

◼   ► usually there's some kind of either

◼   ► fresh basil or pesto added as well to

◼   ► get that flavor in there and maybe some

◼   ► extra garlic so but like so many people

◼   ► have slight variations on that combo to

◼   ► make what they call margarita or fresh

◼   ► mozzarella slices my number three is the

◼   ► margarita slice done the way that our

◼   ► pizza place normally does it which is

◼   ► you know nice thin crust of course all

◼   ► my picks are thin crust I hate that

◼   ► crust I mean you know I'll eat it if I'm

◼   ► if I'm if there's no other choice but

◼   ► yeah my picks are also thin crust yeah

◼   ► if you even have to say that it's pizza

◼   ► yeah sorry Chicago yeah like oh I like

◼   ► crust pizza but when you eat pizza

◼   ► you're not thinking thick crust you can

◼   ► like thick crust yeah oh yeah no one's

◼   ► saying you can't like that I mean we

◼   ► there's Sicilian pizzas and all kinds of

◼   ► stuff even available here in almost

◼   ► every pizza place but you have to

◼   ► specify that that's what you want

◼   ► yeah the default is that if we say pizza

◼   ► you know that that's the thing I get

◼   ► unless you are in Chicago in which case

◼   ► you can say pizza and get whatever that

◼   ► casserole thing is they make well there

◼   ► are also places that if you say plain

◼   ► pizza you don't even get cheese yeah I

◼   ► don't know what that's about

◼   ► like who orders like a cheese pizza like

◼   ► who says that that's so crazy to say

◼   ► yeah by the way I have no respect slice

◼   ► of pizza is like a slice of pizza I mean

◼   ► come on there's like you know think of a

◼   ► drawing of a pizza if someone was to

◼   ► draw a piece that's a slice of pizza

◼   ► right yeah yeah and I also have no

◼   ► respect for the topping choice extra

◼   ► cheese yeah what is that how much cheese

◼   ► can your pie hold

◼   ► I mean it's cheese so I order extra

◼   ► cheese when we were when I was growing

◼   ► up in Ohio ordering from my Pizza Hut

◼   ► because that's just what everybody

◼   ► and so I just learned when you order

◼   ► pizza you ask for extra cheese and so I

◼   ► don't think I've ever even had it with

◼   ► the regular level of cheese that's

◼   ► that's the kind of request that first of

◼   ► all so having cheese at all right first

◼   ► of all it sounds really gross

◼   ► second of all it's the kind of thing

◼   ► we're like do you think they're actually

◼   ► putting on different amounts when you

◼   ► say that or are they just charging you

◼   ► more on putting on the same amount they

◼   ► always do I think they put on I bet

◼   ► you're right I don't think anyone has

◼   ► called up like in New York pizza place

◼   ► and ask for extra cheese we should ask

◼   ► Isaac I actually did ask Isaac some

◼   ► questions tonight but people order extra

◼   ► cheese so anyway so my number three is

◼   ► margarita done the way that they use

◼   ► that they usually do it because what you

◼   ► described with the fresh tomato slices

◼   ► is delicious but it's so inconsistent

◼   ► cuz it depends so heavily on whether

◼   ► they can get good fresh tomatoes in at

◼   ► that given day you know and so it and I

◼   ► don't know what it is in recent years

◼   ► we've had a very hard time finding good

◼   ► Tomatoes yeah like we've had a number of

◼   ► I think mediocre tomato seasons but when

◼   ► that pie is good it is so good yes but

◼   ► the entire rest of history and time and

◼   ► future the regular margarita pie for me

◼   ► is the better choice because it's almost

◼   ► the same every time because they use I

◼   ► believe it's stewed or crushed tomatoes

◼   ► like a little like almost like little

◼   ► spots of sauce between the dollops of

◼   ► makes it bad does the spot a sauce the

◼   ► person that makes it good uses the food

◼   ► Tomatoes okay all right and then they

◼   ► also do like little drops of pesto

◼   ► around the pie so you get like them like

◼   ► the basil flavor and because it's pesto

◼   ► but not fresh basil and stewed tomatoes

◼   ► and not fresh tomatoes it's the same

◼   ► year round you can get it any day and

◼   ► it's basically the same and it's

◼   ► delicious and it's like slices of fresh

◼   ► mozzarella which they make themselves I

◼   ► believe so and so they layered those

◼   ► slices on so it's not like a shredded

◼   ► cheese covering it's more of like a slab

◼   ► of areas and because the mozzarella is

◼   ► thinly sliced to go on there and because

◼   ► they're using stewed tomatoes instead of

◼   ► fresh tomatoes there usually is not an

◼   ► overly watery problem it is not a watery

◼   ► slice most of the time sometimes it's a

◼   ► little bit but you know it's it's fine I

◼   ► so anyway that's my number three and I

◼   ► think it

◼   ► it's the kind of thing we're like if I'm

◼   ► at a pizza place I've never been to

◼   ► before I'm looking to see what slices

◼   ► they have available I I'm very likely to

◼   ► try whatever the equivalent is of a

◼   ► margarita pie because it is it's the

◼   ► kind of thing where even though there's

◼   ► lots of different variations minor and

◼   ► major to what people put in their

◼   ► margarita pie and how they make it

◼   ► they're all pretty good and I feel very

◼   ► safe picking that option pretty much

◼   ► anywhere and it's only your number three

◼   ► yeah you're gonna hate my number one or

◼   ► number two you're gonna love my number

◼   ► one okay all right what's your number

◼   ► two all right my number two

◼   ► Oh first I want it I want to run back

◼   ► backwards for a second and talk about

◼   ► your Oni okay

◼   ► oh wait well maybe I'll see what your

◼   ► number one and two are okay guys if it's

◼   ► pepperoni again without sausage then I

◼   ► have something to say okay okay my

◼   ► number two is ham and pineapple the

◼   ► Hawaiian okay it's so good you got the

◼   ► salty you got the sweet I like little

◼   ► bits of ham you can't go wrong with ham

◼   ► most ham in most places does not taste

◼   ► piggy because it just tastes like ham

◼   ► it's mean these would just buy deli ham

◼   ► I would imagine like jelly ham some they

◼   ► use like ham steaks where they chop it

◼   ► up lightly you don't do that it's just a

◼   ► ham steak I guess I don't like ham so I

◼   ► shouldn't really judge okay yeah you

◼   ► don't like him you're out of this game

◼   ► okay so and pineapple no matter how they

◼   ► put it whether it's like slightly

◼   ► charred or if it's not if it's cold it

◼   ► doesn't matter I love pineapple ham

◼   ► pizza it is a really fun thing to order

◼   ► when I don't feel like other things I

◼   ► have it as my number two because I crave

◼   ► it more often than I get it but I will

◼   ► not ever turn down a pineapple ham pizza

◼   ► and I've never had a bad pineapple and

◼   ► ham pizza because my other number my

◼   ► three and four

◼   ► I've had bad versions of those toppings

◼   ► and my number four is my perfect number

◼   ► four is even hard to get so that's why

◼   ► pineapple and ham Trump's my other two

◼   ► because

◼   ► it's consistent and I can get it

◼   ► delicious anywhere and it's super fun

◼   ► and I kind of actually love when people

◼   ► are grossed out by it because I love

◼   ► eating stuff in front of other people

◼   ► that they're grossed out by what I'm

◼   ► eating because I'm like haha it's

◼   ► delicious to me I don't care what you

◼   ► think yeah I gotta say like it must be

◼   ► fun to be the one person in a group who

◼   ► likes anchovy pizza well the good thing

◼   ► is I mean Joey you're disgusting when

◼   ► pineapple and hands actually really good

◼   ► and so and so it's it's this option you

◼   ► can order that is really good but it's

◼   ► still I mean I know like it's been

◼   ► around for a while it's been around for

◼   ► a long time there are still people that

◼   ► are surprised by it exactly it still

◼   ► surprises people I'm like what rock have

◼   ► you been living under that you haven't

◼   ► tried a pineapple and ham pizza it's

◼   ► like we have the internet people know

◼   ► about enough now like and if you're

◼   ► around anybody like when you're ordering

◼   ► this if you're around anybody who is

◼   ► over the age of about 50 there's a good

◼   ► chance they've never heard of and it

◼   ► will blow their mind yeah and they're

◼   ► like what that's weird what I like it

◼   ► it's it's so amazing to be able to

◼   ► introduce the concept of a new weird

◼   ► sounding pizza topping to somebody who's

◼   ► never heard of it before yep pretty fun

◼   ► so pineapple in a ham number 2 that's

◼   ► that's solid pick thank you I got a

◼   ► solid pick alright my number 2 is the

◼   ► evil villain pizza from inside out the

◼   ► white with broccoli so yeah the white a

◼   ► white pizza with broccoli I it's really

◼   ► good like I recognize that to children

◼   ► who hate broccoli that probably sounds

◼   ► horrible so I totally get why like a kid

◼   ► would think that's really weird

◼   ► especially if they already hate broccoli

◼   ► but as an adult who likes vegetables I

◼   ► like a white pizza with broccoli is just

◼   ► so good I didn't in general I like white

◼   ► pizza with almost any vegetable topping

◼   ► like white pea soup with vegetables in

◼   ► general is very good combo and I think

◼   ► of all the vegetables I've had I think

◼   ► broccoli is the best

◼   ► I agree with you that if we were in

◼   ► Pittsburgh at Aiello's I would get

◼   ► broccoli and onion but in most places I

◼   ► don't trust the onion enough to to to

◼   ► order that and be set be tight with it

◼   ► so that's because you don't like a raw

◼   ► onion I don't mind if there's an

◼   ► accidental raw onion yeah situation on

◼   ► pizza okay now here's a question for you

◼   ► it all I got to say it's you're talking

◼   ► about a regular white slice not just a

◼   ► slice without sauce that's right you

◼   ► need to specify that for people who are

◼   ► unsure or who have never had a white

◼   ► slice before because that is also pretty

◼   ► common yes so I'm talking about the

◼   ► white slice that is crust mozzarella and

◼   ► dobbs of fresh ricotta and which is a

◼   ► hard word to say I don't know quite how

◼   ► to say it either like a jerky jerk who's

◼   ► trying to say like can't say ricotta

◼   ► because that sounds awful too so the one

◼   ► no matter how weird in the middle like

◼   ► yeah no matter how you say it somebody

◼   ► is somebody who hears you is going to

◼   ► either be mad that you said it to

◼   ► American or is going to not understand

◼   ► what the heck you're saying you said it

◼   ► to Italian yeah yeah well it's gyro gyro

◼   ► situation it's like what the hell yeah

◼   ► yeah but I feel like I feel like you can

◼   ► safely say gyro in most places without

◼   ► making anybody mad that's true

◼   ► but yeah except Greece well around here

◼   ► yeah it's it's I'm very afraid to say

◼   ► that type of cheese yeah I I just avoid

◼   ► talking about it but anyway anyway yeah

◼   ► that always goes in Dobbs on a white pie

◼   ► and and that it's a combination of the

◼   ► the fresh mozzarella or the regular

◼   ► mozzarella that and broccoli is just the

◼   ► best and it's very simple you have to

◼   ► get the ratio right though yes that's

◼   ► true and and the broccoli has to be as

◼   ► you mentioned it has to be fresh not

◼   ► dried out not burnt and but that's

◼   ► another one like like a broccoli white

◼   ► slice is also another one where you can

◼   ► order it in a lot of different places

◼   ► and it's generally gonna be good like

◼   ► it's a pretty safe bet it's it's pretty

◼   ► hard to screw that up it in a big way

◼   ► yeah because I don't even mind that much

◼   ► when it's burnt honestly because I like

◼   ► broccoli so yeah

◼   ► me too and yeah I mean when I cook

◼   ► broccoli I burn about a third of the

◼   ► time anyway so we always parboil our

◼   ► broccoli

◼   ► oh not like no but it's usually it's

◼   ► like in like a stir-fry with other

◼   ► things like or it's like it's in a it's

◼   ► in a pan with like onions stuff also so

◼   ► I often overcook it where it doesn't

◼   ► burn but it like it kind of turns like

◼   ► more Brown than green you know okay I

◼   ► mean I try not to but when I screw up

◼   ► that's what happens all right what's

◼   ► your number one my number one is

◼   ► margarita okay for almost all the same

◼   ► reasons you were saying I was just like

◼   ► taking all my reasons but it gained

◼   ► points it plus one all over the place

◼   ► and moved itself to the top of my list

◼   ► Margaery could do whatever it wants is

◼   ► delicious it is

◼   ► I love margarita mainly for its

◼   ► universality when you're talking about

◼   ► pizza you can get a good margarita pizza

◼   ► anywhere just like you said and I even

◼   ► want to add to that if you're like out

◼   ► at a restaurant that has like brick oven

◼   ► pizza brick oven margarita is amazing

◼   ► yeah you can like get little personal

◼   ► pan pizzas from like bar pizza and

◼   ► margarita is gonna be amazing because

◼   ► it's usually either very very fresh

◼   ► ingredient or like you said ingredients

◼   ► that can translate really well and stay

◼   ► flavorful even if they aren't perfect so

◼   ► it is just ideal

◼   ► I love caprese salad I love those

◼   ► flavors in the summertime when

◼   ► everything is fresh and beautiful and

◼   ► this is just kind of like the cooked

◼   ► pizza version of that yep and so I

◼   ► always crave that kind of fresh bright

◼   ► type of pizza and I know John is

◼   ► probably freaking out right now it's not

◼   ► like a regular New York kind of pizza

◼   ► with none of I don't think any of mine

◼   ► are regular New York kind of Excel pie

◼   ► normally is not I I think that I don't

◼   ► think I didn't have margarita until I

◼   ► was much older like when you just when

◼   ► you order a pie you get like the typical

◼   ► things that regular choose about plain

◼   ► or you get pepperoni or you have peppers

◼   ► and onions that's always a big order

◼   ► when I was a kid I don't do so well with

◼   ► peppers anymore so that didn't make

◼   ► sorry TMI sorry I was sorry peppers

◼   ► you're off the list and you know I love

◼   ► a regular pepperoni pizza I really do

◼   ► like a solo pepperoni pizza who doesn't

◼   ► like that just like you said I would

◼   ► never turn down a slice of pepperoni

◼   ► pizza it's delicious

◼   ► if I've just felt like a random topping

◼   ► but man that margarita it is just always

◼   ► good no matter where you go no matter

◼   ► who's making it it's really hard to

◼   ► screw up

◼   ► thin crust the crust it doesn't matter

◼   ► it's just so good yeah that's that's a

◼   ► very solid pick and I mean I I honestly

◼   ► thought about making my number one also

◼   ► but I just a few things I like better

◼   ► but it is like whenever whenever we get

◼   ► slices and we get an assortment of

◼   ► slices we oh I almost always throw in

◼   ► one margherita slice at least and it's

◼   ► like I don't know if I'm only gonna be

◼   ► getting one slice I often might pick

◼   ► something else but if I'm going to be

◼   ► getting multiple slices I almost always

◼   ► want one of those among them it's also

◼   ► really good cold for breakfast

◼   ► yes you know it's well I like all these

◼   ► like old for breakfast yeah yeah but the

◼   ► one they all disagree with you on though

◼   ► is that I'm not sure I I think for a

◼   ► universality of where you're ordering

◼   ► I think pepperoni beats margarita for

◼   ► life do you want this to be good from

◼   ► anywhere and I think I think I think

◼   ► pepperoni is more likely to be good from

◼   ► like like the big chains and like the

◼   ► kind of crappier places ok crappier

◼   ► places yeah like Cheyney places yeah I

◼   ► do agree with you but I would still

◼   ► personally prefer a margarita that's

◼   ► fair all right for my number one for my

◼   ► number one I want John siracusa to stop

◼   ► listening I'm serious stop turn it off

◼   ► stop listening don't buy the airplane

◼   ► Wi-Fi do not buy the airplane Wi-Fi my

◼   ► number one pizza

◼   ► I'm so sorry John is barbecue chicken

◼   ► whoa number one barbecued chicken and I

◼   ► know this we need to talk about this I

◼   ► know you would say about barbecue

◼   ► chicken we will and this was a tough

◼   ► call for me because I do recognize that

◼   ► in many ways it's like barely pizza you

◼   ► know it's very it's

◼   ► so far out and barbecue chicken it has a

◼   ► wide variety of how its executed most of

◼   ► them I've liked from like the the crappy

◼   ► pizza place to the frozen pizza to the

◼   ► good pizza places and two different ways

◼   ► good pizza places do it

◼   ► I have almost always liked a barbecue

◼   ► chicken slice and what I like it like

◼   ► first of all I guess like barbecue sauce

◼   ► in fact I recommend if you are a

◼   ► broccoli white pizza fan try at one time

◼   ► with a little like zig zag a barbecue

◼   ► sauce on it it's a very good flavor

◼   ► combo anyway love barbecue sauce and and

◼   ► the sweet kind not but not like the

◼   ► super smoky kind I don't like artificial

◼   ► smoked flavor so thus we can drive

◼   ► acusó anyway I'm sorry for whatever

◼   ► part of the us hate sweet barbecue I'm

◼   ► sure there's like some part like is it

◼   ► like everyone likes something yeah but

◼   ► is it like you know like Tennessee that

◼   ► hates ater Kansas or Texas or what like

◼   ► I'm sure there's some someplace anyway

◼   ► it doesn't matter

◼   ► so barbecue chicken the way our pizza

◼   ► place does it I really enjoy it's a it's

◼   ► just a white base with no Regatta a

◼   ► white base with barbecue sauce coated

◼   ► fried chicken like square pieces on it

◼   ► and that's it so you're getting the

◼   ► tomatoey flavor from the barbecue sauce

◼   ► you're getting the pizza flavor from the

◼   ► combination of that and the white base

◼   ► and and the cross and you get this nice

◼   ► chicken so it kind of it kind of bulks

◼   ► it up it makes it it changes the ratio

◼   ► of like how much like protein versus

◼   ► dairy versus Starks you're eating to

◼   ► tilt it more because then it's it's like

◼   ► you're having a whole bunch of chicken

◼   ► and also a little bit of starch and

◼   ► cheese so it like depending on what your

◼   ► going forward I jest of Lee it can can't

◼   ► kind of help with that

◼   ► some places really dress it up with

◼   ► weird stuff some places we'll put corn

◼   ► or red onion in there and the fries corn

◼   ► I know and I actually I don't like those

◼   ► as much I don't dislike them it's still

◼   ► good to me it's so I know this is really

◼   ► weird and if the only kind of ever had

◼   ► was the one was the ones with corn and

◼   ► onions and everything I wouldn't like it

◼   ► as much but the fact that our pizza

◼   ► place makes such a good one that is just

◼   ► the barbecue sauce coated chicken fried

◼   ► bits

◼   ► on top of a white pie it's just so good

◼   ► and every time that is available I get

◼   ► it and if I only get one slice sometimes

◼   ► if I like if I go there like on the way

◼   ► to the train or something I know if I'm

◼   ► only gonna have one slice and I have

◼   ► enough room for it because it's pretty

◼   ► filling

◼   ► I will almost always pick the berry

◼   ► chicken slice because it's just so good

◼   ► I have things to say about checking on

◼   ► pizza I'm so sorry the thing about

◼   ► chicken on pizza is it's usually awful

◼   ► chicken on pizza is just the worst it is

◼   ► so much worse than broccoli on pizza

◼   ► because chicken on PITA

◼   ► you can get like the most dry sinewy

◼   ► like nasty chicken it could taste like

◼   ► freezers because most of the time almost

◼   ► all of the time chicken on pizza is

◼   ► frozen and they just kind of like either

◼   ► have frozen chicken bits which is

◼   ► horrible yeah or they have like frozen

◼   ► chickens that then they you know do

◼   ► things to and put on the pizza and also

◼   ► weird barbecue situations but regardless

◼   ► any kind of chicken on pizza I find to

◼   ► be just horrible because not only that

◼   ► they usually overcook the chicken even

◼   ► if they are cooking like something and

◼   ► then they put overcooked chicken on top

◼   ► of a raw pizza and then cook it again

◼   ► and so you have dried out pieces of

◼   ► chicken oh it's just so horrible slices

◼   ► the place Marco is talking about who we

◼   ► are plugging and it's not sponsoring us

◼   ► but I mean we pretty much sponsor them

◼   ► they have fresh chicken every time that

◼   ► they they make their chicken fresh they

◼   ► make it fresh every day it is never

◼   ► frozen mmm they make their own

◼   ► mozzarella cheese like it just looks

◼   ► kind of like a hole in the wall new york

◼   ► pizza place it doesn't it doesn't it's

◼   ► not fancy yeah it doesn't see noteworthy

◼   ► compared to any other New York Pizza no

◼   ► it doesn't look like hipstery like no

◼   ► fresh pizza it's just like guys in a

◼   ► pizza shop kind of pizza place like

◼   ► they're all over right but they make

◼   ► everything fresh you could you can walk

◼   ► into a pizza

◼   ► it looks just like this and everything

◼   ► could be like frozen and terrible but

◼   ► everything's fresh everything's

◼   ► delicious and they do the chicken on the

◼   ► pizza right there chick it there chicken

◼   ► pizzas are the first effort chicken

◼   ► pizzas that I've ever ever ever liked

◼   ► yeah they got they got you to to not

◼   ► only try chicken pizza after much

◼   ► traffic went for me not only try it but

◼   ► now you actually like it yeah well from

◼   ► there chicken on pizza in general is an

◼   ► abomination no I mean I will give you

◼   ► that chicken is very easy to be mediocre

◼   ► or bad on pizza

◼   ► I have literally wrote down oh my god

◼   ► black no I mean that I get why you don't

◼   ► like chicken when it's done badly on

◼   ► pizza but I like there's so much that I

◼   ► think it makes up for that the handful

◼   ► of times that I've had like you know

◼   ► overdone or dry chicken on pizza I for

◼   ► the most part the record is very very

◼   ► good but you also tend to like chicken

◼   ► on pizza so that's true so yeah so

◼   ► that's my number one I don't know that's

◼   ► that's gonna anger a lot of people so so

◼   ► just pretend if if you're angry about

◼   ► BBQ chicken pizza just pretend like I

◼   ► stopped at white with broccoli though I

◼   ► think it's really fun about pizza

◼   ► toppings is that they really really can

◼   ► be so different between people because

◼   ► you can order whatever you want there's

◼   ► a whole bunch of toppings there's a

◼   ► whole bunch of bases there's a whole

◼   ► bunch of combinations that you could do

◼   ► so you know really we don't hate on each

◼   ► other for pizza everyone just gets along

◼   ► it's pizza you can get half a pie of

◼   ► something if you can't agree like that's

◼   ► amazing you could just get like oh I'll

◼   ► have half this and you have half that we

◼   ► can all get along you don't have to

◼   ► decide you can just get what you want

◼   ► it's pizza yeah it doesn't like pizza

◼   ► remember when we ordered all that um

◼   ► what do we get all the time was it

◼   ► Little Caesars no yank on it was it

◼   ► Domino's or little no there's Little

◼   ► Caesars because they did a special where

◼   ► you get an entire pepperoni probably for

◼   ► five bucks the best and we'd watch Sex

◼   ► in the City

◼   ► when we first we were in college in my

◼   ► crappy apartment and again pepperoni

◼   ► pizza it was perfect

◼   ► that was the only option it was five

◼   ► dollars for an entire pepperoni pie they

◼   ► were already made in a big stack and you

◼   ► could just walk in and pick them up for

◼   ► $5

◼   ► talk about being paid and being gross I

◼   ► know but it but I totally was again

◼   ► biggest pepperoni

◼   ► good and it was a smaller large pizza -

◼   ► it was like it was enough for both of us

◼   ► to split yeah I mean well it was enough

◼   ► to both of us shouldn't eat the whole

◼   ► thing but we could and we usually did

◼   ► together yeah yeah we only got one we're

◼   ► not animals well at a time yeah but we

◼   ► did it on a number of occasions pretty

◼   ► much did it every like Sunday night

◼   ► before you left we would just say cuz X

◼   ► in the city together and we'd eat one of

◼   ► those pizzas yep and see pepperoni was

◼   ► the universal flavor it's the universal

◼   ► light no matter where you are good or

◼   ► crappy pepperoni will probably be good

◼   ► pepperonis king but it's not on any of

◼   ► our lists it was on mine my number four

◼   ► no pepperoni sausage was your number

◼   ► four we discussed that that's part of

◼   ► the rules you pick pepperoni sausage

◼   ► combo

◼   ► oh you're right oh well sorry pepperoni

◼   ► you're the best but we didn't pick you

◼   ► so uh that's it all right so thank you

◼   ► for listening everybody do we want to

◼   ► talk about the the pineapple and

◼   ► pepperoni thing you want to discuss or

◼   ► should we just drop in some after show

◼   ► business let's discuss it so we did a

◼   ► little taste testing this evening

◼   ► yesterday Marco got us a whole bunch of

◼   ► slices because we thought we were going

◼   ► to be recording last night I when he

◼   ► came back with all the slices I was like

◼   ► wait we were supposed to taste test this

◼   ► pizza topping combo that a whole bunch

◼   ► of our friends over at Relay and the

◼   ► incomparable we're raving about so which

◼   ► is the pineapple and pepperoni pineapple

◼   ► pepperoni combo I spearheaded by I

◼   ► believe Jason Snell and then spread

◼   ► throughout all of Europe by Mike early

◼   ► and veteran Jason was right so we got

◼   ► one of these pies before the show

◼   ► tonight yesterday and so Marco didn't

◼   ► pick up that slice said that we got it a

◼   ► whole entire pie fresh made yeah so

◼   ► because we wanted to give it the fair

◼   ► shot possible and you know that our

◼   ► pizza place didn't have pepperoni and

◼   ► pineapple slices already made sitting

◼   ► yeah and they could just like you know

◼   ► put some pineapple on a pepperoni slice

◼   ► putting it in for a minute but that's

◼   ► not like a fair shot that's like a hack

◼   ► okay some people don't understand this

◼   ► concept in pizza place in New York the

◼   ► slice pizza flea no really I know weird

◼   ► well it's not weird to us it's like our

◼   ► life but you know this so in New York

◼   ► you

◼   ► walk into a pizza place there is a

◼   ► counter that looks like a pie shelf but

◼   ► hi it's it's pizzas and pizza pies and

◼   ► you can just like get a slice and they

◼   ► throw it in the oven real quick heat it

◼   ► up and hand it to you order it by the

◼   ► slice and you can get you know whatever

◼   ► like whatever they happen to have made

◼   ► at that moment you can go order from

◼   ► those choices and usually like their

◼   ► most popular things are kind of out and

◼   ► made and sometimes they'll have like

◼   ► some strombolis out sometimes they'll

◼   ► have like a whole thing of garlic knots

◼   ► ready to go like everything that's just

◼   ► kind of ready to go for people for just

◼   ► walk-ins and we often when we order our

◼   ► pizza Marco just goes and picks up

◼   ► walk-in slices we don't order pies that

◼   ► often because it's just the two of us so

◼   ► and Isaac makes those pizzas nice and

◼   ► big so you can cut a slice in half and

◼   ► it's enough for each person to have some

◼   ► yeah usually like I'll get four large

◼   ► slices and you know we'll split them and

◼   ► so that's enough for two people and it's

◼   ► nice you don't to wait for it and you

◼   ► get variety right away it's nice anyway

◼   ► so if like you're walking around New

◼   ► York and you feel like a slice of pizza

◼   ► you don't have to like go in somewhere

◼   ► in order a pizza you can just like grab

◼   ► one they put it on a paper plate and you

◼   ► walk out eating it yeah exactly so we

◼   ► wanted to give it a fair shot so we got

◼   ► an entire pie fresh made pineapple and

◼   ► pepperoni and I gotta say I really liked

◼   ► it a lot the the only thing that that we

◼   ► both cited as like I was like a reliable

◼   ► problem with it is that because

◼   ► pepperoni is already on the high grease

◼   ► side and pineapple is so watery that

◼   ► there was an issue of a lot of water

◼   ► pooling up in certain places in the pie

◼   ► yeah it was kind of like when Italian

◼   ► dressing separates where it's all I said

◼   ► over and over again yeah III don't I

◼   ► don't think if the flavors were

◼   ► delicious but the execution was wrong

◼   ► and that's why pineapple and ham is

◼   ► superior because you don't have the

◼   ► grease lever grease level given off by

◼   ► the pepperoni I see I mean and so I'm

◼   ► biased because I don't like ham that

◼   ► much and I do like pepperoni so I I

◼   ► greatly preferred the flavor of this pie

◼   ► I agree with you that ham is lower

◼   ► moisture and so there

◼   ► like a ham and pineapple pie holds

◼   ► together better but I think what we had

◼   ► tonight the pineapple in pepperoni it

◼   ► tasted better and it was a mess to try

◼   ► to hold it up it did improve over time

◼   ► as it cooled and the last times I had I

◼   ► blotted it first and that also helped a

◼   ► lot it's gonna make an amazing breakfast

◼   ► yeah when that when it's cold it's gonna

◼   ► be awesome

◼   ► but I would say I really enjoyed it I

◼   ► think Jason was right it's a really good

◼   ► flavor and I can see myself ordering it

◼   ► again in the future all right I also

◼   ► liked it but I probably would not order

◼   ► it because of the fresh out of the oven

◼   ► consistency was not my favorite that's a

◼   ► fair criticism no I I love pineapple on

◼   ► pizza as by my list but I don't think I

◼   ► would be going to the pineapple and

◼   ► pepperoni slice on my own

◼   ► if someone ordered a pie of it damn

◼   ► right I take some so I thought I would

◼   ► close by revealing some interesting

◼   ► information from our pizza guy I'm Isaac

◼   ► Carson slices pizzeria been here 14

◼   ► years and run the pizzeria so what would

◼   ► you say are the top four toppings that

◼   ► are ordered on pizzas okay in the order

◼   ► that I think is the most popular of

◼   ► course pepperoni

◼   ► chicken chicken bacon ranch a chicken

◼   ► parm margarita margarita white is not as

◼   ► popular I'm trying to think whatever

◼   ► in good old-fashioned mushrooms it's

◼   ► still popular it's an acquired taste but

◼   ► they're trying to think and you know

◼   ► like that I don't think in the top four

◼   ► so how popular is the BBQ chicken

◼   ► barbecue chicken is very popular buffin

◼   ► Buffalo is probably more popular and now

◼   ► they're going for chicken bacon ranch as

◼   ► well as buffalo bacon Ridge and chicken

◼   ► broccoli Tomatoes so chicken is a big

◼   ► winner with toppings right now why do

◼   ► you think most people places seem to

◼   ► have really terrible chicken on their

◼   ► pizza and why don't you I make my

◼   ► chicken every day and we give a good

◼   ► amount we don't put it sporadic on the

◼   ► pie we make a nice healthy pie is there

◼   ► a topping that like if somebody orders

◼   ► it you just totally dread it cuz it's

◼   ► like a pain in the butt or it's or it's

◼   ► just hard to keep or whatever else like

◼   ► what do you really hope people don't

◼   ► order what I hope people don't order

◼   ► their pies that are very difficult to

◼   ► make like a taco pizza it's very

◼   ► time-consuming but what they hate

◼   ► dealing with is the anchovies they hate

◼   ► anchovy pies the staff you mean you go

◼   ► this fast how often do you get an order

◼   ► for an anchovy pie I would probably

◼   ► guess probably about three times a week

◼   ► four times a week what do you what what

◼   ► is right yeah I'm actually like a whole

◼   ► pie mean so what would you say is the

◼   ► least popular topping that you still

◼   ► have probably sun-dried tomatoes it's a

◼   ► rare pie but anchovies is probably one

◼   ► of the least most popular pineapple is

◼   ► also not as popular but if you have a

◼   ► Hawaiian with ham and pineapple it's

◼   ► much more popular

◼   ► was I the first person to order a

◼   ► pepperoni and pineapple pie yes you were

◼   ► the first to start with that and how did

◼   ► you like it honestly we loved it we

◼   ► thought it was it was a bit of a

◼   ► moisture issue there's a lot of water

◼   ► that comes out of the pineapple plus a

◼   ► lot of the grease in pepperoni but well

◼   ► after like a blotting it or after it

◼   ► cooled down having a cold it's amazing

◼   ► and

◼   ► really it was really good for breakfast

◼   ► good breakfast pizza and and another one

◼   ► is some people ask for bacon and

◼   ► pineapple once in a while as opposed to

◼   ► the hand so that's a pork pork product

◼   ► all right so we had a debate on the show

◼   ► when people ask for extra cheese is that

◼   ► actually different than the regular

◼   ► amount of cheese or you just put the

◼   ► same amount on

◼   ► oh no we absolutely put it we put the

◼   ► sauce the cheese and then we let it sit

◼   ► and then we put cheese on top of it so

◼   ► it's actually it looks like a mountain

◼   ► of cheese on top and how often do people

◼   ► ask for extra cheese a good amount of

◼   ► time yeah it probably thirty times a

◼   ► week and they do it on slices as well if

◼   ► not only pies it could be unsliced

◼   ► but that's when it slices cold then you

◼   ► put the extra cheese on top of it I'll

◼   ► stop your head what do you think are

◼   ► your top four personally favorite slices

◼   ► it's funny you say that

◼   ► mushroom margherita regular old plain

◼   ► and Sicilian Wow all right

◼   ► see and it's plain it's not cheese pizza

◼   ► not a regular right because if somebody

◼   ► said plain you would never think they

◼   ► meant like the only sauce one know very

◼   ► few people ask for marinara now if they

◼   ► do they say marinara

◼   ► they don't say can I have a plain pizza

◼   ► without any cheese all right thanks a

◼   ► lot to Isaac it slices here in Hastings

◼   ► on Hudson and I encourage everybody to

◼   ► come here and visit because it's our

◼   ► favorite pizza we appreciate it we hope

◼   ► to see y'all thank you anything we can

◼   ► do for you