The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► I was going to buy a streaming box for [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► fleeting moment when I thought uh when [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► you were becoming a vlogger right well [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► no I'm still I'm still becoming a [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► vlogger just exceptionally slowly but I [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► thought about buying a streaming box [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► when I thought I was going to get into [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► like switch streaming with with I mic [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► and then never ended up doing stuff I [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► wonder which happened which of us makes [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► our second YouTube video first you or me [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► it's a race to the bottom I see sure all [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► right let's start with some follow up [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► guess what we don't really have any oh I [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► think that's because in part we just [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► released or DeMarko just released last [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► week's episode earlier today because we [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► are recording the episode from the [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► future in the past or something because [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► it is currently the 20th of July we are [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► recording the episode that will be [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► released on or around the 26th of the [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► Journal of July because our vacations [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► are in serial and so we didn't really [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► have time to amass follow up other than [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► to say we are going to be doing a Q&A [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► episode I believe what did you say Jon [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► master of ceremonies siracusa you said [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► the first recording on August 4th and [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► we're doing a double recording with [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► back-to-back episodes which is why we're [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► doing the QA because we're just gonna [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► answer questions until we all die and [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► then sounds wonderful so anyway so yes [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► please pile up questions at this time [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► the only way to get a question put in it [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► to be a contender for the show is to [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► tweet with the hashtag ask a tipi please [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► do not email us because it will get lost [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► to the ether and if we were cooler like [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► Hello Internet we would have asked for [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► postcards but we are not that cool nor [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► that organised so terrible mistake if we [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► learned nothing post office or Pio box [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► and bring it all the lunch pieces of [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► paper and then transcribe the things on [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► them terrible mistake yes so up to [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► please tweet hashtag ask a teepee and [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► and we will hopefully select your [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► question anyway that's that's it for [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► follow up write that that might be [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► record time we should have a we should [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► have somebody go through and Chronicle [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► how long we spend on follow-up like what [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► is the trend line look like I'm sure [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► there's like [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► angry fan who has already done that is [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► that has that fan you know sometimes [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► there's none at all sometimes there's [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► just one thing sometimes there's a lot [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► if we record two days before we do a [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► second recording usually not that much [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► [Laughter] [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► right all right so let's start with the [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► topics and first thing is the Apple a [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► 10x is ten nanometer that's cool [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► so tell us about this John we're talking [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► about Intel and their process advantage [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► and how it's how on semiconductor was [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► supposedly catching up but you know [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► until still had a lead and also the [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► stuff and we were seeing we're gonna say [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► you know Intel it was gonna be first a [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► 10 nanometer with a significant you know [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► type of chip not just memory or [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► something like that but as people who [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► took apart the new the new iPad with the [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► apples a 10x and it discovered the the a [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► 10x system on a chip is using tile and [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► semiconductors 10 nanometer process and [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► a 10x is not a tiny chip I mean the [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► grand scheme of things it's not as big [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► as a Xeon but it's pretty complicated [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► right it's got multiple cores and a GPU [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► and iOS it's not just as simple as a [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► memory chip so I haven't been keeping up [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► with Intel and its various woes that [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► much but bottom line you know of all the [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► Apple devices we care about which [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► includes PCs and and iPads and watches [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► and phones and all sorts of other things [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► first one as far as I'm aware to get a [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► 10 nanometer chip is this one and the [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► chip is not from Intel so whether or not [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► intel has coronal court lost its lead in [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► process it is it continues to be [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► embarrassing that Apple's system on a [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► chip a xx line of chips are so fast and [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► so low-power and now are on a smaller [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► process than the chips that are in all [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► of apples Mac's so it's kind of exciting [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► slash depressing depending on how you [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► look at it so remind me what it I'm not [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► being funny at all [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► what is the ten nanometer represent the [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► the lines within the processor like the [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► quote unquote wires is that correct or [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► is that not even close [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► I don't know they call it feature size [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► I'm sure there's some standard for [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► measuring from you know this thing to [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► that thing like I think it was like a [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► dot pitch on monitors I'm sure there's [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► some standard because you say well what [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► is a feature like it's from you know [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► from one transistor to another how [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► closely you can pack them together or [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► like I have no idea maybe it's like the [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► center of one to the center of the next [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► one yeah but but there's different [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► geometries like this is there FinFET [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► thing like they're actually 3d if you [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► look at the shape of where the source [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► and drain and in gate and everything is [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► they they all have all these clever [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► arrangements of layers of stuff someone [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► should look up you could probably just [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► go to the Wikipedia to find out but it [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► basically if you think of it like dot [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► pitch on a monitor it's from you know [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► how from the center like Mario saying [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► from the center of one thing to descend [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► the question is how do they determine [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► that because I think there are different [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► sizes and configuration of things that [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► you can put down on a chip I'm assuming [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► it is like the smallest distance between [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► two features so anyway Taiwan [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► Semiconductor doing pretty well Apple [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► with it's a series ships doing pretty [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► well Intel I don't know well doing okay [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► kind of stumbling there was the recent [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► announcement they were getting out of [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► the wearables market that they were [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► never really in yeah I'm gonna say what [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► do they have in the wearables market [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► they had a they had a program in an [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► initiative and it's that like like I've [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► done many times like remember and they [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► tried to get into the standalone GPU [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► market with uh what the hell was that [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► called chat room will tell me you know [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► seconds or so yeah five years ago maybe [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► yeah where they were taking a bunch of [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► little x86 cores and put that on a [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► Larrabee [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► I got a poor the chat room haha and they [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► were gonna make a run at the the GPU [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► market and they had evangelists and they [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► had api's and they had some silicon and [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► it just never came together I said no [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► okay we're we're not gonna do that and [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► then they concentrated them on their [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► internal GPUs like the integrated ones [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► and they've come a long way on that [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► partially supposedly a rumor has it at [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► the behest of Apple asking for more [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► powerful integrated GPU so they don't [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► have to include a discrete GPU and every [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► single Mac just haven't have any [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► graphics performance where the damn [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► they were going to get into wearables [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► and they had an initiative and the head [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► of team and they had a blah blah blah [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► and they've just bailed out they also [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► had a bunch of things like getting into [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► set-top boxes back in the day what I [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► think about all the Intel fail programs [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► so they're gonna enter a new market I [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► mean if you want to trace it all the way [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► backwards this one they divested of all [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► their arm holdings they had boats at the [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► another thing xscale they had arm CPU [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► and they said now we're gonna get out of [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► that business probably gonna turn out to [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► have been a bad idea but in theory I [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► mean it didn't have to be it could have [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► been they get out of that business and [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► they and they made a bunch of you know [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► their own x86 chips that were just as [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► good as the things that Apple's making [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► out but they didn't they didn't make [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► those I can Apple did and so that's how [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► you lose you can trace it back though [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► you should have said there's no [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► guarantee that if they kept XScale that [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► they would have been able to do as good [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► a job as Apple is doing now so it's a [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► weird world we live in for someone who [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► grew up in the wind towel era but I'm [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► still rooting for Intel because they're [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► all those CPUs there and all the Macs [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► and I want a really good Mac so let's [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► get going yeah that's pretty much what [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► why I care about this so much like I [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► know that it's probably for lots of [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► reasons we've discussed before it's it's [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► probably unlikely that we're ever gonna [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► see or at least I guess Never Say Never [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► but that anytime soon we're gonna see [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► Apple bring the a line of arm CPUs to [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► the Mac and have arm Macs and that's [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► kind of a shame because these CPUs are [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► awesome like if they keep making these [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► amazing chips and and with their [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► in-house designs that are kicking the [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► butts of everything else in the middle [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► in the middle market and Intel is really [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► you know having a hard time getting [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► incremental performance scans every [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► every time they release something and [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► the reef having a hard time releasing [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► anything so I I kind of wish that more [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► of this excitement would be available on [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► the Mac side because you know who knows [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► what they could do right now they they [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► have this amazing a 10x chip based on [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► the amazing a-10 ship making the iPad [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► very competitive with low ed max in CPU [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► performance and imagine what they could [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► do with that if they let it run in a 150 [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► watt desktop enclosure that would be [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► that could be really amazed [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► but you know if lots of reasons we've [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► discussed before basically like you know [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► making our max is neither easy nor [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► likely but I do think that's kind of a [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► shame because there's all this exciting [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► stuff happening over in the arm world [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► that US Mac fans are just kind of you [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► know not a part of or minimally a part [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► of I continue to think that there is [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► nothing specifically magical about arm [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► that guarantees that if Apple did have a [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► team and said hey you've got a hundred [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► fifty watt power budget go nuts they [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► would just have to end up doing all the [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► same things that Intel does with its [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► Xeon only until probably has a bunch of [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► them patented and Apple doesn't [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► experience with them because you do end [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► up making different choices when you [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► have a ridiculously high power budget [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► like that and there's no secret sauce [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► that only Apple knows and a lot of the [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► tricks they know from their experience [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► with low power stuff are not applicable [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► to 150 watt power envelope so you know I [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► think they would make good chips no [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► doubt and maybe they would make ones [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► that are actually better than what Intel [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► offers but it's not I don't feel like [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► they would be crushing them in the same [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► way that they're crushing on the you [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► know on the low power side because this [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► is not Apple's first chip like what was [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► the a6 was their first you know sort of [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► their own design yeah they've had years [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► and years to get this good at system on [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► a chips in tablets and phones they have [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► no experience so far and I'm making you [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► know a Xeon class processor so even if [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► they did make one the best you could [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► hope for is probably like parity or a [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► slight edge on Intel's things because [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► they can make different choices but give [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► them four or five years and I think [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► they'd be doing really well but who [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► knows then we wouldn't be able to run [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► Windows as well as we can now so that [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► would be friends Windows anymore what [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► years this I do okay so you know I don't [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► I don't need more used to real developer [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► now my apologies to everyone who has to [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► develop on Windows I feel bad for you [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► hey man I I maintain c-sharp [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► is an unbelievably good language it's [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► just everything around it that's got me [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► I agree [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► I completely agree yeah and and [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► Microsoft has almost always they do [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► really good at developer tooling like [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► they're really good at that just Windows [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► is terrible but the developer tools are [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► usually great but yeah and they're you [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► know one thing before we cap off this [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► topic is that I do think that you know [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► even though my example of you know the [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► hundred fifty watt Mac [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► Pro slash you know high-end iMac ship [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► would maybe be hard for them to to move [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► to the a 10x you know the iPad class of [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► chip they're making now which is not [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► that different from the iPhone class [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► chip they're making is probably suitable [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► for at least the bottom two lines of Mac [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► books at least the MacBook 12-inch and [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► at least the what I call the macbook [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► escape the the non touch bar 13-inch [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► MacBook Pro I bet they could make an A [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► Series chip that would be very [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► competitive in those two form factors [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► yeah I mean they already do practically [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► yeah exactly like just a question of the [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► GPU and by the way as making me think [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► about things about Mac losing out like [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► oh so they're missing out on apples on [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► the potential of Apple's expertise in [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► the areas where they've shown they can [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► make really good chip and their [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► potential expertise for higher bandwidth [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► chips and also Apple thus far is missing [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► out on the other place that the action [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► is happening that is relevant to the Mac [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► in terms of silicon chips that are [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► inside their nvidia gpus that is [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► currently where a lot of the exciting [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► high-end action is happening on desktop [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► computers and Apple is thus far [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► pretending it doesn't exist and [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► continuing to ship AMD / ATI GPUs which [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► are fine but it's not you know it's like [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► the excitement is happening on the arm [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► side with Apple's own things and in the [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► GPU land that discrete GPU land the [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► excitement is happening on NVIDIA side [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► of the fence and Apple is like now we're [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► just don't Intel and AMD and we'll just [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► ignore ignore all those fireworks and [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► then the happy laughter happening in [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► other areas and I do think ultimately [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► one of the biggest reasons why we're [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► unlikely to see our Mac's for the [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► foreseeable future is I really don't [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► think that a lot of Mac apps would be [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► rewritten or recompiled four-armed in a [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► prompt manner like I think the Mac is [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► you know in some parts of the Mac are [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► very healthy content creation [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► you know Pro high-end productivity tools [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► these are fairly healthy but there's a [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► whole lot of Mac apps out there that are [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► basically unmaintained and some of which [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► are very very old and they continue to [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► work now just because you know the [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► architecture hasn't changed in a long [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► time you know in over 10 [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► and so it's they continue to work but I [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► worry if Apple were to force an [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► incompatible move to the basis of the [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► operating system I worry about what [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► would happen to the at the ecosystem I [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► bet we'd lose a lot of apps as we're [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► seeing right now with I mean look i OS [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► in this way [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► iOS is way healthier than the Mac OS and [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► the transition to Mac o to iOS 11 is [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► losing lots of apps just from the 64 bit [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► change it was only a few years ago for [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► the Mac to change CPU architectures it [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► would be it would be it would be I think [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► really difficult to move automatic [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► software over just because so much of [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► its up maintained numerically iOS [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► obviously would lose marcus's [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► numerically got so much more but on the [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► Mac I have some confidence you know the [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► Mac has gone through this multiple times [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► before in the past that yes you always [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► leave stuff behind [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► but the apps that we care about would be [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► ported just just like they report from [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► 68k to PowerPC and those same apps that [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► we care about that we're still arm [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► reported from PowerPC to Intel and they [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► were ported from Intel 32-bit to 64-bit [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► and they would report it from 64-bit [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► don't think perhaps we care about what [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► would be for this maybe like one or two [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► random abandoned apps that you would [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► lose but numerically speaking on iOS [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► there's just so many apps and we all [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► have some I think a lot do you think you [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► have more apps installed on cumulative e [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► on your iOS devices are on your Mac's [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► like numerically each application icon [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► counts as one thing oh it's no question [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► iOS I would guess the same yeah yeah [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► probably maybe not on my iPad or my [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► iPhone yes I think my iPad is relatively [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► lean and mean but but iPhone yeah I [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► think Marco is right how many [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► applications are in your Applications [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► folder on your Mac just pick a random [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► Mac I have a hundred and twenty-nine 112 [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► although many of these I barely even [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► recognize how long so infrequently yeah [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► I know we all have junk in there oh this [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► is this is reassuring so in my [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► Applications folder I have two [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► applications called System Preferences [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► which apparently exactly the same name [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► that's good [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► does not make me feel good this is from [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► 2014 and the second one is from 2015 26 [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► and one of them does not have a dot app [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► extension that makes me feel good I got [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► to clear a lot of this crap out of here [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► my god anyway you want to guess how many [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► applications I have in my application I [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► mean if I have 129 and I keep things [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► pretty minimal [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► I'm gonna guess you have 200 maybe yeah [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► I'm gonna say 250 is it Price is Right [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► rules no no okay I don't about one [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► application 311 oh wow you and but like [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► how many do you actually use on a [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► regular basis not 311 like I probably [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► use something like 20 or 30 on a regular [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► basis I mean you know the Mac Mac tools [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► tend to be larger in scope and fewer in [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► number for a lot of people I would bet [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► there's a lot more like large [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► productivity tools large creation tools [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► large library tools as opposed to our [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► iOS where you have a whole bunch of [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► stuff that does like little things or [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► one one thing at a time [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► not to mention iOS has games and the Mac [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► unfortunately doesn't I do have a [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► subfolder for games let's see what's in [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► that I have a supporter for Mac ports [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► that I haven't touched I mean I mean I [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► have a steam icon there too all right so [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► the game's folder only have 42 items but [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► there are subfolders in there so it just [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► goes on I got a lot of here's the thing [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► with the reason I have so many [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► applications is they don't on the Mac [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► applications don't aren't in your face [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► like they are in iOS like in springboard [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► they're in your face unless you bury [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► them in a folder like all of them are [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► like and I don't watch applications but [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► on the application feel like nobody does [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► you do command space or whatever right [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► yeah um and whenever I use like disk [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► inventory X or whatever to find out [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► where all my space is being taken up [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► it's never with applications because in [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► the grand scheme of things they're tiny [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► you know I one terabyte drive even a [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► huge application like maybe occasionally [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► like Markel I get cranky at some [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► multi-gigabyte sound samples that are [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► part of some stupid Apple application [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► but other than that all the data is [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► elsewhere so I never ended up deleting [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► application it's like I look in here and [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► I've got like multiple old I've got [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► delicious library two and three I've got [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► many applications where they're like the [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► history of the application is present in [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► the folder as the versions and the [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► numbers in the [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► yes I never I never ended up believing [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► them because it's not as and don't get [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► me wrong my iOS home screens are also a [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► giant graveyard of ancient files which [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► is why I'm kind of dreading when they [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► drop 32-bit support because it's gonna [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► well dreading and looking forward to [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► because it'll it'll like reduce the [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► number of applications by half because I [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► think I still have applications there [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► from like my original iPod Touch they've [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► just been carrying along from iTunes [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► backup to iTunes backup I only had I [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► think two yeah i've scorekeeper excel [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► and I cast Pro and the scorekeeper [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► developer said he's updating it i cast [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► has already done a new version that's [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► like a million dollars so you know [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► they're not actually really going to be [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► lost he's I guess something you used to [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► do the live broadcast from the road I [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► used to yes it's a nice cast server [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► nice cast broadcaster rather so I used [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► to do that from the road now I just [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► bring a Mac and use programming business [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► nice cast AB because it's because it [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► really I mean what I learned you know [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► while doing our live show and you know [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► setting up for that and doing various [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► things over the last few years I've [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► learned basically that I greatly prefer [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► max to be in those kind of production [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► roles and not just for like superstition [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► of max being reliable on iPad and iOS [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► not being but just for the flexibility [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► they offer and and the like you can do [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► what you can do these things in iOS if [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► you need to but I'm much happier and [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► more versatile when I'm doing it on the [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► Mac if that makes sense I mean we all [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► know that you can't get work done on iOS [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► so that's why you're doing it on a [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► minute oh my god I still have Firefox [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► does anybody still use Firefox so we've [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► gone during the pre-show that hopefully [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► has not hit the regular show of watching [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► TV as a group and now we're letting all [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► the people listen to us lunge through [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► and go spelunking through our [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► application folders as a group this is [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► the make MKV I haven't ripped a blu-ray [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► in the years I just did that yesterday [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► I have Firefox I also have make him kV I [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► rip days of thunder yesterday it's a [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► great movie see I don't need I don't [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► need to rip anything I can just play [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► some of your plex server I know that's [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► whatever that's exactly what I was doing [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► and we bought Days of Thunder on blu-ray [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► but blu-rays are barbaric in [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► I immediately ripped it and it is now on [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► flex oh I still have openttd I should [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► play that the Transport Tycoon I have [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► applications with like the circle with a [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► line through it I should just probably [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► delete those I don't think I've ever [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► even seen that did not run on my fancy [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► new version of Mac OS called El Capitan [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► man I can't even imagine cleaning out [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► John's 10 year old computer like that [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► there I what you must find there must [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► never never clean it that's the secret [TS]

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00:22:21 ◼   ► show notes near ich the top but never [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► ever ever high enough for us to actually [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► talk about it has been three words and [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► it has been here for months and those [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► three words are Netflix credits skipping [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► and apparently this is enough and John [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► is flustered enough that he would like [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► to talk to us about skipping credits in [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► Netflix I don't know why I'm in for this [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► ride as much as you guys are so let's [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► all buckle up together we are really [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► scraping the bottom of the barrel here [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► we really this is from March so yes it [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► has been there for many many months the [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► story will link to the verge thing goes [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► by now the only you are all we have for [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► the stories that Netflix in their normal [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► way was like testing this new feature on [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► some platforms and some clients for [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► Netflix that when you're watching a show [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► on Netflix and the credits come on the [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► opening credits to the show again there [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► would be a button in the interface [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► somewhere that says skip credits and [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► yeah when we were in Chicago we were we [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► were finishing up house of cards and I [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► had done that by connecting my my [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► macbook adorable to the TV and I saw and [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► use that button and so that was on the [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► web client yeah and then I'm not sure [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► where they're rolling it out to my [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► clients or whatever but it's not [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► everywhere and it seems like this thing [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► they're testing now already for several [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► years Netflix had a thing where if [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► you're like binge watching and you watch [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► one episode and the next episodes gonna [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► come that it will not show the credits [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► to the subsequent episode so just get [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► right to the program I've seen that I [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► don't know if that shows specific or [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► whatever but it's been doing that for a [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► long time so if you sit down and watch [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► five episodes of the program you don't [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► have to see the opening credits five [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► times but you would have to see it once [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► for the first one and now with the [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► skipped credits thing it would be like [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► if you don't want to see the opening [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► credits toss of cards because you're [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► afraid you'll die of old age you're on [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► the right interface you can click this [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► button to skip it and the reason I put [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► those notes so long ago is that [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► four years ago four years before this [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► feature was added to Netflix I am one of [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► my rare fits of blogging wrote a blog [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► post about this very thing about the [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► idea of credit skipping in Netflix type [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► environment specifically it was also in [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► the context of the PlayStation 4 which [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► was not yet out but had been announced [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► and the features have been announced and [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► it has had all this post is annoyance [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► driven development the idea that if you [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► look at technology product or something [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► that you're working on and think about [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► the things that annoy you and other [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► people about your product and try to [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► knock those down one by one even if they [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► seem silly I think refreshing another [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► thing that the PlayStation examples were [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► things like being able to pick up a game [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► right where you left off and not having [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► the thing start downloading a software [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► update as soon as you turn it on and so [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► they did a lot of things in the [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► PlayStation 4 to remove the annoyances [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► of the PlayStation 3 by giving it a [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► low-power mode and an auxilary processor [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► that let it do useful things when it's [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► quote-unquote off like the fans are off [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► it's sitting there you think it's [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► completely off but it's not it's [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► downloading software updates in the [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► background it's you know it's preserving [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► the state of your game so you can pick [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► up right where you left off even in [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► tendo is come on this bandwagon a little [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► bit with the switch where you can put a [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► thing into sleep mode pick it up get it [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► out of sleep mode and you are exactly at [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► the second you left off and you're in [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► your Zelda game which makes you want to [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► pick it up and play more than if you had [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► to like wait through a boot sequence or [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► launch the game again or something like [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► that and software updates which are [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► ubiquitous nowadays having it download [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► multiple gigabytes of stuff while you [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► sleep so that when you wake up it's all [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► just already there for you is a great [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► example of annoyance driven development [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► because it's not the end of the world [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► like oh software operators have to [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► happen and there's no getting around the [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► fact that you got have multiple [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► gigabytes and we can't make your [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► internet connection faster it's like but [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► can we design the PlayStation 4 in a way [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► to make this less annoying for people [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► going so far I still have a you know a [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► separate mode with a separate CPU and a [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► low-power state of like it complicates [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► the hardware tremendously but but it's a [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► big win so in terms of streaming video [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► using house of cards as an example [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► because the credit sequence is really [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► really long was saying how how Netflix [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► has changed how you watch television now [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► you have to reconsider everything every [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► part of the experience and think about [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► how annoying [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► and the opening credits aren't annoying [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► in the old world of television where [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► there were no DVRs and you just watch [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► television when it was on and that was [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► commercials for annoying but that's [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► almost every issue but already with [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► people with Netflix and streaming video [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► they understand that people do binge [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► watching and they did that thing where [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► it will skip the credits to the next [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► episode they just need to go to the next [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► step also by the way reusing entire [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► seasons all at once instead of building [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► them added episode of the time they [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► reconsidered so many things and this [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► seemed like the very next thing on the [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► chopping block which is hey credits they [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► make sense when you are watching [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► television in the old world and the new [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► world do they make as much sense to have [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► opening credits before every single [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► episode or before any episode and I know [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► as I said them as posed as lots of [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► things about union contracts for screen [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► actors and writers and everything and [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► then there's the other angle over like [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► oh people should get credit for their [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► work and blah blah blah like basically [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► the motivation behind all those union [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► rules and everything but I think you [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► can't you have to change you have to [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► change your outlook and the rules [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► surrounding all the stuff as the [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► technology changes and technology is [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► changing how we watch television and so [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► every single aspect of how we watch [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► television should be up for grabs for [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► reconsideration to say is this the best [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► way to do it or is there a better way [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► given how technology has changed how I [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► watch television and apparently Netflix [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► eventually how many years later four [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► years later eventually more or less [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► agrees with me that maybe the credits [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► are a little bit too much and maybe we [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► should give people the option of [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► skipping them entirely if they want [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► there's already no commercials so [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► they've already got that going for them [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► so anyway I was excited enough about [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► this in March to put it in the show [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► notes and to leave it there and now I [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► finally get to talk about it and I feel [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► like this is am I going to say it's [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► vindication because I know a lot of [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► people agreed with me when I originally [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► posted this but it's more of a [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► celebration to say you know I'm actually [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► getting the thing that I was asking for [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► and it seemed inevitable because Netflix [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► is very aggressively set of things I'm [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► just I'm actually surprised it took four [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► years time to do it but more like this [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► please Wow cool I feel better for having [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► listened to that [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► nothing you said was wrong but I felt [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► like this has been sitting in the shoto [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► it's like almost there but not quite [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► there for months then I was expecting [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► some sort that timely it's not like you [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► know so much and you know you don't have [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► a product speak up now that data what [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► what did uh what's it doctor wave say [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► your application was is it a fart app [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► anyway anybody who's listening this who [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► has a product or is involved in making a [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► thing that people use like it's it's a [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► potential edge in the market think about [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► what is annoying about using products of [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► your type and in the next version of [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► your product tried to eliminate those [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► annoyances and don't don't keep any [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► sacred cows like oh we can't change that [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► you will find out you'll find a lot of [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► people hold sacred many things they [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► won't even do anything consider changing [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► like you have to consider everything and [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► reconsider it in the face of technology [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► and find the annoying things and be [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► willing to you know do what something to [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► make your product way more complicated [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► and way more expensive potentially [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► introducing bugs because the payoff is [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► when you people turn on the playstation [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► for us the eleven gigabytes of the [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► destiny to beta is already downloaded [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► and the system update has party happened [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► and they can start playing immediately [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► even if it takes forever to download if [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► it does it while you're sleeping you [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► don't care and there's a hundred percent [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► worth it to add an entire separate CPU [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► and low-power state and special OS mode [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► for this so and also skip those house of [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► cards credits because come on we've all [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► seen them enough nervous so I mean [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► they're beautiful but there's log oh my [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► word it takes forever so uh alright so [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► let's talk about something that always [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► cheers us up Twitter and a while back [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► there was how long was it how long was a [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► while apparently it was October of 2016 [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► why are we talking about a news article [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► from October 2016 I have a reason for [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► this one - oh my god [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► bring it out - dead that's right I'm so [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► sorry listeners for this entire episode [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► you did you apologize here how do you [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► where do Abbasids come from marco when [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► when three podcasters love each other [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► very much [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► somehow every week there's an episode [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► and it's because somebody some elves go [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► into the show notes and find a bunch of [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► topics and put them in there and if [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► you're not gonna do it talk about and [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► try to apologize but I build the show in [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► the notes and that's what we're gonna [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► talk about [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► feel free to rotate something up to the [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► top and then we'll talk about that [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► instead in fact that will offer that [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► opportunity to you now because I just [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► talked about Netflix credit sipping is [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► there something that you would like to [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► talk about that you would like to move [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► up let me see [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► overcast springboard crash your stories [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► that's a good one that's kind of boring [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► and no it's not I think it's exciting [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► it's exciting and it was exciting when [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► it happened but now I forgotten most [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► about it and probably you did too but it [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► was cool it's not even old it's not even [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► old by comparison to October and 2016 [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► months again in a surprising turn of [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► events Marco did not immediately command [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► a and then delete the entire show notes [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► in a fit of rage so down if you scroll [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► down a couple pages we have an item that [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► says Oh God TSMC ahead of intel and [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► process soon question like a crystal [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► ball look at that look at the slug on [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► this ten Adam Eaton nanometer chip [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► foundry process coming to Apple partner [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► TM TSMC a head of Intel reliable news [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► source yeah September of sixteen oh my [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► word you didn't talk about it but guess [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► what they did it came true said that [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► maybe there's how we can make things [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► come true just put them in our show [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► notes in the show notes and it's like [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► burying a time capsule it's like it's [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► like our show notes our show notes are [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► the crock pot of Apple news just wait [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► long enough it's gonna be there oh my [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► god alright so let's talk about Disney [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► since Marco hasn't come up with [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► something better but it'll be the Marco [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► show after this when we talk about [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► overcast in Spring Bernardo should start [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► remembering now all the details of the [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► springboard cracker stuff did you know [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► that letterpress moved off of GameCenter [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► you always [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► do if we get really desperate we should [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► go from the bottom up and just say we're [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► dedicated we have to do it we have to do [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► it just start at the bottom oh my word [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► so bad anyway alright I'm gonna try to [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► bring this back around so at some point [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► one day eventually or the years ago it [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► seems there was some talk in late 2016 [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► about Twitter potentially looking to be [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► bought and there were some potential [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► suitors I don't remember who they were [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► other than Disney wasn't Salesforce in [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► the running [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► uh-huh maybe and so what ended up [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► happening and I didn't get a chance to [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► look at these show notes and refresh my [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► memory so being Chiefs memorizer in [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► chief is a little dangerous today but my [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► recollection is that Disney was kind of [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► sniffing around seeing it maybe we do [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► want Twitter and then realized oh wait [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► Twitter successful disgusting terrible [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► people so yeah we don't want anything to [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► do with that well the reason I put this [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► in there not because I don't care about [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► this whatever people bind is that's all [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► news I don't know why it stayed in the [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► notes I probably wouldn't deleted it but [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► I saw it down there and it brought to [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► mind something what was it was relevant [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► its eternally relevant I forget what [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► this specific inciting incident was but [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► it's about when you have an online [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► community of any kind oh I know what it [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► was it was it was the the pub G thing [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► you guys don't follow this do you do you [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► know who that is [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► anyways new game play or unknown [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► battleground it's a game it's a cool [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► game you'll you'll like the the premise [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► of it we love games yeah well no it's a [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► it's a game mode I think it might have [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► started as a mod and now it's a zone [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► game I always get confused by the [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► details but anyway you are like an army [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► guy you parachute into this you know [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► fairly realistic looking world like a [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► big open field with some trees and [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► buildings and stuff like that and you [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► have to sort of scrounge for weapons and [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► bandages and stuff like that and it's [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► fairly realistic and that you can't take [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► 500 bullets like a few bullets kills you [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► right and there are teams and there's [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► sort of a gamey shimmery circle ring [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► dome around the entire play area that [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► starts off really really big but it [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► slowly shrinks over time [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► eventually lever rallying all the people [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► together and eventually there's one [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► person who's left alive right so part [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► your strategy could be I'm just gonna [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► crawl in the grass and hide behind this [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► tree and be like a mile away from [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► everybody but the circle will shrink and [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► shrink and shrink and if you're not out [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► there fighting you're also not getting [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► better weapons and getting healing [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► supplies and stuff like that so it's a [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► fun game mode and they're fun videos to [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► watch because there are teams in this [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► friendly fire and it's and there's no [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► like radar or anything like that you're [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► just like crawling around and going [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► through buildings and some people like [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► camp out and build things and you just [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► go around the door and there's a guy [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► anyway it's very popular game right now [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► and the guy who made the game has like a [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► you know community standards for you [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► know for for his game basically saying [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► if you and if you intentionally kill [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► people on your team because friendly [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► fire is a thing that's against the rules [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► and you get banned [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► you know temporarily banned and I [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► assumed if you keep doing a permanently [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► ban cuz that's bad behavior we don't [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► want someone who comes and you join a [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► game and the guy in your team kills [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► everybody and his own team's takes their [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► stuff like no we don't have that right [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► and he did that to like a popular [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► streamer like twitch streamer and the [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► switch streamer was cranky about it and [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► said some jokey things to him about like [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► how he was going to kick him in the face [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► or something like that and the guy [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► because he had temporarily banned him [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► and he explained to him why he doesn't [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► tolerate even jokey sort of threats of [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► violence or whatever and anyway that was [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► the story like game creator bans popular [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► streamer and has to explain to him why [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► he doesn't think threats of violence are [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► funny you know counter to everything and [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► macho stupid gamer dude culture right [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► and it made me think of Twitter and [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► anybody who has any kind of community [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► whether it's the game that you made and [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► the standards you make for the people [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► who play your game online or Twitter who [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► makes a service that they let people use [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► or you know just think of anything like [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► a website and you have comments section [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► or you have the old style where bulletin [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► boards or whatever online communities [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► and the policing of them it always [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► amazes me that all reddit is a great [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► example always amazes me how reluctant [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► people are in these communities to to [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► enforce any kind of to enforce their [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► will like so we all have opinions about [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► what we think is good and what's not [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► good but the standard sort of nan-oh [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► rest majority opinion of like I you know [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► I haven't I'm not in a group that is [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► frequently the target of abuse or I'm at [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► the top of the pyramid therefore I think [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► everyone should be able to do everything [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► so even though I think something is bad [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► I'm not going to tell people in my [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► community that they can't do that thing [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► because Who am I to judge right and I [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► you know even if removing the motivation [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► is the whole idea of like I want my [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► community to be a place where everyone [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► is free to be themselves and do whatever [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► the heck they want and it almost seems [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► to me at various times on Twitter and [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► other places there is you know there is [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► nothing so terrible that the community [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► the people who run the community would [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► decide that it's not allowed right so [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► it's like I'm sure thank you something [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► for the show that I could use an example [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► like someone comes in and says I'm in [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► favor of eating babies I love to eat [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► babies they come out and I just eat them [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► instantly right perfectly healthy babies [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► I eat them right and people like you [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► know we don't like baby eating can you [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► ban all the people who promote baby [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► eating in this community because they're [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► really annoying and and we're all [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► against it right like everyone here in [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► this community of you know you know [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► knitters or wood working people or you [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► know go-kart enthusiasts or whatever can [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► we just say that if you promote the [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► eating of babies you get banned like no [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► baby eaters right and people run the [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► community be like well I don't like [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► eating babies and I know most people [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► don't like it but those people should [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► have the right to talk about baby eating [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► a second what do you what do you mean [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► the right it's your community as a [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► website that you made it's a product [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► that you made it's not you're not the US [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► government they can talk about eating [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► babies all they want on their front lawn [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► I don't want them in this human and so [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► they decide to make you know where [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► everyone is allowed to do everything [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► because that feels like a gala terian [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► for them and you know it's freedom and [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► even if they don't invoke freedom of [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► speech is like this is the kind of [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► community we want everyone is feels free [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► to say anything they want even is about [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► baby eating and there's a place for that [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► type of thing like you usually call that [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► place for Chan right but whatever but it [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► it it continues to be amazing to me [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► that you see so little of the other [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► thing where they say you know what this [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► is my community and I don't like baby [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► eating and we talk about baby eating [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► here [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► you're banned forever and they're like [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► that's not fair just because you don't [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► like yeah yeah just because I don't like [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► baby eating that's the only reason and [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► this is my community right whether it's [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► this guy with his gamer and that's why [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► you get a situation where this person [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► saying hey killing people on your team [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► is bad and threats of violence on [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► Twitter are bad and you're gonna get [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► banned for it that's why it's a story [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► like that's a story in the gaming news [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► it's it's a Man Bites Dog story right [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► like whoa someone someone decided like [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► their own personal opinion and they [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► enforce their own personal opinion in [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► our community is this first and the [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► worst person ever and for us in their [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► own personal afraid now in Twitter [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► there's no personal opinion Arg is clear [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► as a giant massive corporation but they [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► have the same problem that they seem [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► unable to choose to enforce you know any [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► kind of standards was like well we don't [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► want to enforce our standards and other [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► people on the exam I use babying because [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► I'm hoping to find something that [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► everyone Arden to be like yeah I'm [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► against baby-eating you know the pro [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► baby people go ahead and email us [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► whatever but now I'm gonna say one that [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► you would have used years ago in place [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► of baby eating feeling confident that [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► everyone who's listening to my voice [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► would be like yeah totally baby eating [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► is bad but unfortunately I could not [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► think that these days and that is the [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► example from Twitter where Twitter is [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► like hey are you the neo-nazi party you [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► want to promote a Nazi agenda you're [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► fine on Twitter as long as you don't you [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► know threaten violence or blah blah blah [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► or violate one of our things that we [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► decide we're okay with Nazis like if [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► they just want to talk peacefully about [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► Nazi stuff that's fine with us as long [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► as they don't threaten violence right [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► using all of their speech kind of well [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► like I would just hope that Twitter as a [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► company but like you know what even if [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► Nazis are just like talking calmly about [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► you know their their Nazi agenda no no [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► Nazis like not like are you in a group [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► are you in the neo-nazis you were in an [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► organization right are you affiliated [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► with them you promote that in any way [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► you're banned it's like well you can't [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► ban them that's freedom it's like no no [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► they can have their meetings like they [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► can talk about their Nazi things they [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► just can't be on Twitter but Twitter [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► seemingly cannot bring itself to do that [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► cuz it would be seen as like oh oh don't [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► go there because they don't let you if [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► they don't like what they're saying they [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► ban you right and not just like you know [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► things that we all agree are bad but [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► just like political ideas like the Nazi [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► Party like some people are just into [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► that man why can't just looks like can't [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► we just say no and Twitter and many [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► other companies inability to draw the [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► line [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► yeah and draw whatever what it wants to [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► draw it like they I feel like you know [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► you lose all the Nazi people yeah the [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► Nazi people would go elsewhere they'll [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► have to go someplace else like well but [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► if I then if I ban too many things [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► everyone will leave in our daily active [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► users will go it's like yeah you have to [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► make that choice [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► I feel confident if I was running [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► Twitter did we ban all the Nazis just on [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► principle like they don't have to do [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► anything bad they're just they're just [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► gone right that you won't lose so many [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► users but and the user you do lose [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► it's good that you're losing them right [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► and so it frustrates me as a user [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► Twitter and many other services to see [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► the unwillingness to to enforce you know [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► personal standards and even what you [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► know if more people did this that would [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► mean people gonna have weird personal [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► standards they're gonna be like sorry [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► nobody his name begins with the letter J [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► and then I can't join their service and [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► I would be mad about it right but it's [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► their service like they can do to make [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► up their own stupid rules right I'm just [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► saying like maybe the baby years in the [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► Nazis maybe get rid of them and it's [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► like well who cares it the Twitter's [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► being more successful if they let [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► everybody in but things like these [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► rumors about Oh someone was gonna buy [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► you but your service is successful that [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► you know the your choices have a [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► material effect on your company not just [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► on the users but you should care about [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► like what's it like to use Twitter the [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► decisions about what isn't isn't allowed [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► effect what it's like to use Twitter [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► they also affect potentially who's [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► willing to buy you right and they they [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► affect your image like there's tangible [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► and intangible repercussions to this so [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► I continue to hope that more services [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► will act like small services with one [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► opinionated person like the guy who runs [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► the you know player unknowns [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► battlegrounds to say I have rules and [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► these are my rules and you might not [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► like the rules that's my damn game you [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► don't like the rules go somewhere else [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► make your own game right you don't like [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► the rules and Twitter Nazis we're [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► banning you all from Twitter go [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► make your own service go someplace else [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► go do another thing because we're not [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► the US government so anyway I'm against [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► baby-eating up against Nazis I'm also [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► against player killing in battleground [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► how do you feel about people whose need [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► to get with J neutral a lot of people we [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► were sponsored this week by Eero [TS]

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00:44:55 ◼   ► know that you buy router covered in [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► antennas and it says it's going to cover [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► your whole house and it still doesn't [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► what you need is a distributed Wi-Fi [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► system that's what offices and [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► businesses have used for years with Eero [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► you can install an enterprise-grade [TS]

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00:45:26 ◼   ► you right in the palm of your hand you [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► can see how many devices are connected [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► at any given point you can see your [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► internet speed it tests it for you it [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► does QoS for you you can do a guest [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► network if you want it's full of [TS]

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00:45:38 ◼   ► through it very very easy to use app and [TS]

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00:45:52 ◼   ► concerns about any devices during setup [TS]

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00:45:55 ◼   ► through everything they can even help if [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► you if you just want to know how many [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► you should buy for your house just give [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► them a call I've tried Eero and it's [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► wonderful I could not believe how easy [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► it was to set up it literally took [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► minutes to set up and the app is truly [TS]

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00:46:10 ◼   ► second generation product so second [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► generation arrow is now they have an [TS]

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00:46:16 ◼   ► have even better coverage that it's now [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► tribe and it's twice as fast as the [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► predecessor it includes a new thread [TS]

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00:46:24 ◼   ► such as locks and doorbells and sensors [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► and the new ero beacon which is it which [TS]

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00:46:46 ◼   ► looks looks kind of like a nightlight [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► it's really small it even has a nightly [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► build into it because they realize well [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► we're here might as well do that too [TS]

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00:47:19 ◼   ► Marco you had some very interesting [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► overcast crashes that you had a little [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► bit of trouble figuring out and [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► justifiably because having heard the [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► story back a couple of months ago when [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► you did discover what this fix was I [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► thought to myself my goodness I don't [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► know if I would have ever been able to [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► figure this out but I think it's a [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► really interesting to the best of your [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► recollection story of both what was [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► going on why it was going on and how you [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► discovered it so can you take us through [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► this maybe starting with like how did [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► you discover there was an issue in the [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► first place [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► iTunes Connect the backend for the App [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► Store reports your number of crashes for [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► each version of your app and this is as [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► reported by people who opt in to sharing [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► the stats with Apple and developers [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► during the iPhone setup process I [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► started seeing a big uptick in crashing [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► I started noticing a separate problem to [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► which is my app would crash in the [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► background a lot I get all these crash [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► logs for background crashes I didn't [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► immediately identify it as such what I [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► immediately saw was my app would not [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► resume playback if you if you hadn't [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► been running in a while so like if you [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► if you sent a play command like let's [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► say you get in your car and you and the [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► Bluetooth turns on it sends a play [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► commander or you put on Bluetooth [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► headphones and you hit the play button [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► on them I notice that the app was not in [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► memory anymore [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► I started getting getting reports that [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► were on a generator from springboard [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► that that was it was terminating me in [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► the background for [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► holding on to a shared lock on the [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► database file so I did a number of [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► things to try to fix this [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► I had read somewhere that if you open up [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► a background task assertion so in I [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► forget you know how if the Mac does this [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► but but if the iOS you do the UI [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► background task ID and you say begin [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► background tasks with it then a fire and [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► it can basically give you a little [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► handle and you know you do your task and [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► then you tell it okay I finished that [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► end this task and then if your app is [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► about to be terminated for whatever [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► reason and you have one of these open [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► the system will give you a little bit of [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► extra time to go complete that so [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► somewhere I read some articles that was [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► you know that I can't find now you know [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► which is probably good to protect the [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► init the not so innocent but someone [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► somewhere I read some article that said [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► in order to fix these crashes about [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► holding on to the lock too long just [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► open up a background task for every [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► database query that you make because the [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► the way sequel Lite works is every query [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► it temporarily locks the database file [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► does what it needs to do and then [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► unlocks it and this is required because [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► that's how you have different processes [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► sharing a file or rather sharing a [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► database through sequel Lite without [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► some kind of server managing the [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► background blade like you mice QL would [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► have a server but sequel Lite doesn't so [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► anyway I sort needs to do firelock ug to [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► do this stuff so I you know got this tip [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► from some random blog post that Oh wrap [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► every database query in a background [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► task assertion and then you won't have [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► this problem anymore that was [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► technically true in the sense that oh [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► you again when I shipped the version [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► that included this fix it was [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► technically true that I was no longer [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► getting killed with that background code [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► however what was happening is I noticed [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► that my crash rate rather than going [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► down went way way up it took me a while [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► to figure out what was going on and [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► during this time that I was trying to [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► figure out was going on I also noticed [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► that as I would be listening to overcast [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► like in the car on on long car trips [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► sometimes my entire iPhone would crash [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► and it would do what nerds might know as [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► a respring which is the phone does not [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► reboot but it looks like it's rebooting [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► and it just comes back up faster and [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► what listen you see the little spinner [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► all your apps quit and then eventually [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► you get back to your lockscreen [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► and the way you can tell that it wasn't [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► the real reboot is a touch ID is still [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► on because you know when you reboot for [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► real you have to enter your passcode the [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► first time but if it does a little [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► spinner and back to the lock screen all [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► your apps are gone and touch ID works [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► that was a springboard crash not a full [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► reboot and I noticed my phone was doing [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► this more and more and it was very [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► inconvenient at time such as when I was [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► driving and following directions in in [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► ways and and my directions were just [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► gone for a little while while all the [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► apps got killed when I had to restart [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► everything but anyway and I started [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► getting reapportion people saying my [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► phone keeps crashing with overcast but I [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► can't figure out why and it took until [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► one guy sent me a video that he showed [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► something amazingly useful to me he said [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► look overcast if you if you pause it in [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► the background and you bring up control [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► center so you can see like that overcast [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► is still in the now playing thing in [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► control center after 10 minutes exactly [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► or what no I think it was like three [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► minutes anyway after some short duration [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► of minutes it disappears reliably every [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► time so that led me to finally catch the [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► inner debugger and to see that I was [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► being killed with a certain crash of a [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► certain code and it still was not enough [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► to actually figure it out because the [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► code I was getting killed with was [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► you've you've exceeded some limit it's [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► like okay well helpful maybe you know [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► thanks but you know I have no idea still [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► and I kept I tried a few things trying [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► to figure out what limit at my exceeding [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► here what does this code mean eventually [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► I I realized that this would also [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► sometimes correspond with one of the [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► springboard crashes for the whole film [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► crash and so I thought I wonder if this [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► is related I direct messaged somebody [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► who who I know on the springboard team I [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► basically said look I'm at my wit's end [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► here I can't figure this out is there [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► anything that would cause this [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► - code to be sent to my app that might [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► sometimes crash springboard little while [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► later I hear [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► oh there's actually like a bug report [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► internal to Apple talking about how over [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► cash is causing this problem oh they're [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► just like I don't so there is actually [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► there is like a process that happens [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► sometimes inside of Apple where if you [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► have an app that's causing lots of [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► problems for for Apple like they there [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► is sometimes you'll you will hear from [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► one of the event one of the developer [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► evangelists about it this has happened [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► to me maybe like once or twice ever so [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► it isn't this is nothing that happens [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► often but this was happening in the [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► lead-up to WWDC this is only a couple [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► weeks before it everybody to see I think [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► if I remember correctly and so the [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► problem with that is that this is the [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► time when the entire like all of Apple [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► is basically freaking out rushing to [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► finish the WDC betas because that's like [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► the first time the OS is really going to [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► see any kind of wide attention it's [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► gonna be installed on a bunch of [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► developer devices and a bunch of [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► enthusiasts who say they're developers [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► who aren't and just use the developer [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► betas anyway so there's a massive rush [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► right before it everybody see for [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► anybody who works in any anything near [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► these new os's to just get it done get [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► to get that first beta ready for the [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► public and so this was happening during [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► that big crunch time so I imagine it's [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► look at the cracks you know I'm sure it [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► was on somebody's to-do list to maybe [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► see if they get reach out to me or [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► something and they didn't because you [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► can you can imagine Apple is not so keen [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► on an app that can crash springboard [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► like that's not something that apps are [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► supposed to be able to do basically so [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► there was this internal thing that I [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► just happened to like I happened to ask [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► somebody who started looking around who [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► happened to find this and then basically [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► the notes that Apple engineering had had [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► had noticed about it was that I was [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► taking a large number of background [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► assertions in the app which was [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► apparently causing springboard is member [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► has like a watchdog that goes along and [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► checks various limits every few minutes [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► and that watchdog one looked at how many [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► background assertions I had because I [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► was doing one for every database query [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► but so like you know typical typical [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► load the app is gonna make probably a [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► few hundred database queries over the [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► course of navigate in the first few [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► screens so you know we're talking over [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► the course of typical usage I might make [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► a few hundred to a few thousand database [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► queries over over like you know a [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► well-used session of the app the [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► background tasks API was designed back [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► you know in the early days of iOS for [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► you to take out like one background task [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► assertion if you're like finishing [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► uploading a file to a web service or [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► doing let you know doing some kind of [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► sync operation like okay take a [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► background certian finished sync [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► operation and then give it back and so [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► apparently this was designed for [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► something more on the order of like [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► hundreds of these to happen during a [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► process not thousands of these to happen [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► the way I was doing it with every [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► database query and this was causing two [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► problems number one it would cause this [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► this watchdog that goes around to check [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► to see if you've exceeded your limits it [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► would cause it to kill my app to say hey [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► you've exceeded your limits but [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► apparently there was also a bug in that [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► watchdog in older versions of iOS before [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► 11 that sometimes if you had such a [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► ridiculous number of him as I did that [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► watchdog would crash and because it's a [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► part of the system if that crashes [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► basically all springboard comes down and [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► is brought back up this has been fixed [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► in iOS 11 but it was not fixed for at [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► least the earlier parts of 10 I don't [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► know if the very last version 10 might [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► affect I don't know honestly but so [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► basically overcast was not only exposing [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► its own limit crossing behavior and by [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► the way I don't know what that limit is [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► nobody will tell me what that limit is [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► it doesn't really matter for my purposes [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► all that matters is background test or [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► something to be you know used not in the [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► thousands but basically I was causing [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► springboard to crash and I greatly [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► greatly appreciate both the the user who [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► sent me the video who [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► that it would be terminated after a [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► certain number of minutes cuz that'll [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► have me to get the crash code that was [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► reliably causing this problem and I also [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► greatly appreciate anybody inside Apple [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► who who helped me track this down and I [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► really don't appreciate the blog post [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► I've read back forever ago and I'm glad [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► I can't find it now but so but I tell [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► you all now any developers listening [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► don't use background task IDs for [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► frequently occurring things like [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► database queries that is too granular [TS]

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