Cortex 53: Worst Business Decision Ever


00:00:00   welcome back gray hello oh you sound [TS]

00:00:04   chipper on this lovely British morning [TS]

00:00:05   is it morning I don't know what it is [TS]

00:00:07   hey we're not on grace not the time [TS]

00:00:10   anymore my friend no we're not on grey [TS]

00:00:12   standard time which is a shame see you [TS]

00:00:15   are back in the UK yeah it's the middle [TS]

00:00:17   of July is it okay you left the UK at [TS]

00:00:21   the beginning of June yes I arrived back [TS]

00:00:26   in the UK six weeks to the day from when [TS]

00:00:30   I left that's what happened is this the [TS]

00:00:33   longest no it's not the longest trip [TS]

00:00:35   you've taken away is it you've done [TS]

00:00:37   longer than this well I was trying to [TS]

00:00:41   think about it it depends a lot on what [TS]

00:00:43   you mean by a trip like I have done [TS]

00:00:47   there have been longer periods of [TS]

00:00:50   traveling mm-hmm [TS]

00:00:51   but I think it I think in the way that [TS]

00:00:54   any reasonable person would think about [TS]

00:00:55   what is a trip versus what is simply [TS]

00:01:00   being nomadically homeless like there's [TS]

00:01:02   a boundary there right and I think if [TS]

00:01:05   we're constraining it to trips this this [TS]

00:01:09   is the longest trip I think I have ever [TS]

00:01:12   done yeah I think I can probably safely [TS]

00:01:16   say that there's a couple things that [TS]

00:01:18   come close but I think this is the [TS]

00:01:19   longest continual thing that is still [TS]

00:01:21   clearly a trip that I have ever done I [TS]

00:01:23   have this coming up to actually in just [TS]

00:01:26   a few weeks oh yeah so in I'm gonna be [TS]

00:01:29   in the United States of America for all [TS]

00:01:31   of August oh I didn't realize that yeah [TS]

00:01:34   this is this is something different for [TS]

00:01:36   me I have three independent events that [TS]

00:01:41   I need to work that I need to do so I [TS]

00:01:44   have three things I have to attend [TS]

00:01:45   during August and I decided that I would [TS]

00:01:49   just stay in America for the entire time [TS]

00:01:52   rather than coming back and going back [TS]

00:01:54   against I've done that before right way [TS]

00:01:56   like you know you've got something one [TS]

00:01:58   week and you've got a week break and [TS]

00:01:59   then another thing and I've done that [TS]

00:02:00   and it will kill you [TS]

00:02:02   right like terrible's destroyed first [TS]

00:02:04   yep so I've decided this time to pack up [TS]

00:02:08   my bags for a month and go I'm ending it [TS]

00:02:12   with a vacation [TS]

00:02:13   but the first three weeks are all [TS]

00:02:15   work-related activities so I was hoping [TS]

00:02:19   that you could give me some kind of [TS]

00:02:20   travel tips life hacks for an for an [TS]

00:02:25   individual who's going to be spending a [TS]

00:02:27   large period of time away from home your [TS]

00:02:30   life hacks that's what you want I don't [TS]

00:02:32   even know how to do laundry like how [TS]

00:02:34   would you you know like there are all [TS]

00:02:36   these things and like meals do I eat in [TS]

00:02:39   restaurants the whole time like I don't [TS]

00:02:40   really know how to handle this the first [TS]

00:02:43   thing is your simple decision to just [TS]

00:02:46   stay in America that's that is the [TS]

00:02:48   correct decision good right that's [TS]

00:02:49   that's by far and away the best thing to [TS]

00:02:51   do and that that's why my previous trip [TS]

00:02:54   was so long it was the exact same [TS]

00:02:55   situation like I had a bunch of things [TS]

00:02:57   and inconvenient times from each other [TS]

00:03:00   that in like maybe I could have gone [TS]

00:03:02   back to the UK but it would have been [TS]

00:03:04   terrible and I would have I would have [TS]

00:03:06   done something like eight transatlantic [TS]

00:03:08   flights in six weeks like nope not [TS]

00:03:10   happening it's a similar thing right [TS]

00:03:11   like yeah for me like a bunch of [TS]

00:03:13   conferences and then just some [TS]

00:03:15   work-related meetings and activities [TS]

00:03:16   that are better if it's in person rather [TS]

00:03:18   than digging yeah yeah so I can I [TS]

00:03:21   totally understand how this can end up [TS]

00:03:24   happening and then this is also at least [TS]

00:03:26   I find it becomes a little bit of a [TS]

00:03:29   self-sustaining cycle because once you [TS]

00:03:31   commit to being in a place for a while [TS]

00:03:33   then you can start gathering up other [TS]

00:03:36   things that are useful to do while [TS]

00:03:37   you're there oh yeah like I'm spending a [TS]

00:03:40   bunch of time in New York which just [TS]

00:03:42   from a business perspective could be [TS]

00:03:43   very valuable to me exactly there are [TS]

00:03:45   things I haven't planned out yet but I [TS]

00:03:48   know it's gonna be a beneficial trip [TS]

00:03:51   mm-hmm yeah that's that's exactly right [TS]

00:03:54   you can start making these things more [TS]

00:03:56   useful then your time would be spent on [TS]

00:03:59   a plane going back and forth yep and [TS]

00:04:01   then dealing with jet lag and all the [TS]

00:04:02   rest of this so yeah it's I think it's a [TS]

00:04:04   smart move to try to bundle things this [TS]

00:04:06   is this is why I like the the summers [TS]

00:04:08   for me are always big blocks of travel [TS]

00:04:10   is because of this exact thing like I I [TS]

00:04:13   finally the flights are very costly in [TS]

00:04:16   every in every meaning of that word yeah [TS]

00:04:19   and so decreasing the number of flights [TS]

00:04:22   and bunching as much together into one [TS]

00:04:24   big block of travel is much [TS]

00:04:27   more valuable to do than breaking it up [TS]

00:04:30   into a bunch of little trips and she's [TS]

00:04:32   interesting talking to other people that [TS]

00:04:34   I know I think the default human [TS]

00:04:35   response is if there is time enough to [TS]

00:04:37   go back home that you should go back [TS]

00:04:39   home but I really do [TS]

00:04:41   urge people who travel a bunch to think [TS]

00:04:44   about bunching things together into [TS]

00:04:47   bigger blocks like I don't know [TS]

00:04:48   I personally find it much better to do [TS]

00:04:51   even if it's inconvenient for a long [TS]

00:04:53   stretch I totally understand that right [TS]

00:04:55   cuz I felt that way and it's why I've [TS]

00:04:56   done it in the past right like if I have [TS]

00:04:58   a week or eight days or something wive [TS]

00:05:00   where I could be at home and I would do [TS]

00:05:02   that but like this particular trip it's [TS]

00:05:04   never more than like four days at a time [TS]

00:05:07   mm-hmm and that's just not tenable right [TS]

00:05:09   like I would be traveling for fifty [TS]

00:05:12   percent of those four days so great it [TS]

00:05:15   doesn't make sense it really just [TS]

00:05:17   doesn't make sense I don't think anybody [TS]

00:05:20   will benefit from that right like the [TS]

00:05:22   reason I would go home is because I [TS]

00:05:24   don't particularly want to spend three [TS]

00:05:27   weeks away from Edina like it's just not [TS]

00:05:28   really a thing I'm keen on doing but the [TS]

00:05:32   time that I would be here I wouldn't be [TS]

00:05:35   very great to be around so I you know [TS]

00:05:39   it's at the end of the trip is we're [TS]

00:05:41   taking a vacation together which i think [TS]

00:05:42   is a good way to cap it all off right [TS]

00:05:45   we'll be away for three weeks but then [TS]

00:05:47   we'll be back together and going on a [TS]

00:05:48   holiday which seems just I don't know it [TS]

00:05:51   seems better than like Mike being a [TS]

00:05:53   zombie for a day and a half before he [TS]

00:05:54   gets ready to go again cuz then there is [TS]

00:05:56   all these things that just more [TS]

00:05:57   frustrating you know like for example me [TS]

00:06:00   waking up at 4:30 in the morning to go [TS]

00:06:01   back to the airport right like nobody [TS]

00:06:03   wants or needs these things in their [TS]

00:06:05   life so I'm I think I'm I mean I'm gonna [TS]

00:06:07   see how it goes I might hate this right [TS]

00:06:10   but I think that this this seems like [TS]

00:06:13   the right course of action for this [TS]

00:06:14   particular set of trips mm-hmm yeah I [TS]

00:06:18   can I can definitely see that alright so [TS]

00:06:21   you want you want life hankari and [TS]

00:06:23   they've really usable choose any tiny [TS]

00:06:25   takeaways in some key takeaway [TS]

00:06:27   and I mean I'm just I'm just nothing [TS]

00:06:29   like it's the things that matter for [TS]

00:06:33   lucky we'll start with start with number [TS]

00:06:34   one mmm-hmm laundry when I do this kind [TS]

00:06:37   of trip laundry just becomes a big part [TS]

00:06:41   of it right because you can't actually [TS]

00:06:43   pack six weeks worth of clothing you you [TS]

00:06:47   can't pack a month's worth of clothing [TS]

00:06:49   it's just not gonna happen [TS]

00:06:50   but I like to view this I like to view [TS]

00:06:52   this as an advantage because once you [TS]

00:06:55   assume that laundry is going to be part [TS]

00:06:58   of this process you can actually pack [TS]

00:07:00   less than you would for a trip that's [TS]

00:07:04   like a week-long trip mm-hmm all right [TS]

00:07:06   because if you think about it if you go [TS]

00:07:07   if you know if you know you're going to [TS]

00:07:10   be doing laundry you can probably cut [TS]

00:07:13   down the number of outfits you would [TS]

00:07:15   take on on a week trip I like 30 percent [TS]

00:07:18   at least so I just you I just assume [TS]

00:07:22   that it's that this is going to happen [TS]

00:07:23   and it depends on like what exactly your [TS]

00:07:28   situation is but like very very often in [TS]

00:07:30   America like if depending on where you [TS]

00:07:32   are there just are not convenient [TS]

00:07:34   laundromats around or like it's such an [TS]

00:07:37   incredible hassle and you're usually [TS]

00:07:38   busy so I have yet to meet a hotel that [TS]

00:07:43   won't do the laundry for you and this is [TS]

00:07:47   this is one of these places where yes [TS]

00:07:51   are they gonna charge you a fortune to [TS]

00:07:53   do the laundry of course they are [TS]

00:07:55   because because they've got you right is [TS]

00:07:58   they have like a laundry monopoly in [TS]

00:08:00   this in this little moment well so they [TS]

00:08:02   should because nobody wants to do other [TS]

00:08:04   people's laundry yeah nobody wants to do [TS]

00:08:06   other people's laundry no people need to [TS]

00:08:08   be paid handsomely for that task yeah [TS]

00:08:10   yeah with that in town like someone's [TS]

00:08:13   got to fold your socks Mike and I find [TS]

00:08:15   that this is one of these things that if [TS]

00:08:18   if you can mentally get on board with [TS]

00:08:20   the idea that you just accept that that [TS]

00:08:23   you're not getting like a deal on your [TS]

00:08:25   laundry and of course if you went to a [TS]

00:08:27   laundromat it would cost less but what [TS]

00:08:30   you're getting is a bunch of hassle [TS]

00:08:33   removed from your life yeah and a thing [TS]

00:08:36   that just happens automatically tell you [TS]

00:08:38   why I wouldn't want to go to a [TS]

00:08:39   laundromat great [TS]

00:08:40   okay tell me why I know I wouldn't know [TS]

00:08:41   how to use the machine and I don't want [TS]

00:08:44   to have to deal with not knowing how to [TS]

00:08:46   use the machine right like I won't get [TS]

00:08:48   there yeah and I like would be bumbling [TS]

00:08:50   around and I'd maybe need to ask for [TS]

00:08:52   help like I don't want to be in the [TS]

00:08:54   situation where I have a washing machine [TS]

00:08:58   that I don't know how to use I know how [TS]

00:08:59   to use my washing machine but I was [TS]

00:09:01   taught how to use our washing machine no [TS]

00:09:03   one's gonna like it's not gonna be just [TS]

00:09:05   an implicit thing I arrive at a [TS]

00:09:06   laundromat and they're like mr. Hurley [TS]

00:09:08   come this way let's show you the machine [TS]

00:09:09   that's not what's gonna happen so I [TS]

00:09:11   can't gonna stand in front of this [TS]

00:09:12   washing machine and like American [TS]

00:09:14   washing machines are so different right [TS]

00:09:16   like you put stuff in the top that's not [TS]

00:09:18   I don't even know how to do that right [TS]

00:09:20   like that doesn't make any sense to me [TS]

00:09:22   that gravity pulls it down that's how it [TS]

00:09:23   works you hold the clothes over and you [TS]

00:09:25   let go and gravity pulls them into the [TS]

00:09:27   washing machine and then they just pop [TS]

00:09:28   out the other and that how it works no [TS]

00:09:31   there's like one come up pick them up [TS]

00:09:33   out of the hole and you put them in the [TS]

00:09:34   drum yeah I just I don't know man I just [TS]

00:09:36   there's too many variables there so I [TS]

00:09:38   I'm scared of the laundromat honestly [TS]

00:09:41   okay look well I've got some bad news [TS]

00:09:43   for you okay has when I say that I've [TS]

00:09:46   never been at a hotel that that doesn't [TS]

00:09:48   do the laundry many hotels will just [TS]

00:09:51   take your laundry away and bring it back [TS]

00:09:53   to you folded up in a little box which [TS]

00:09:56   is like a gift from heaven when you're [TS]

00:09:57   traveling like oh thank god it's a thing [TS]

00:09:59   that I don't have to worry about but if [TS]

00:10:01   they don't do that they will have a [TS]

00:10:03   little mini laundromat in the hotel and [TS]

00:10:06   so you you may you when I say doing [TS]

00:10:09   laundry at a hotel you may have to [TS]

00:10:10   functionally use what is a laundromat [TS]

00:10:12   just in the hood but it's very easy Mike [TS]

00:10:14   all you do is you go to go to the front [TS]

00:10:16   desk mm-hmm you ask the nice person at [TS]

00:10:18   the front desk to turn a five-dollar [TS]

00:10:21   bill into a bunch of quarters and you [TS]

00:10:23   put the quarters in the Machine and it's [TS]

00:10:25   essentially all automated like that you [TS]

00:10:27   you will have almost no options except [TS]

00:10:29   to put your clothes in the machine feed [TS]

00:10:32   the Machine and that's it we see the [TS]

00:10:34   thing is in the hotel I would be more [TS]

00:10:36   willing to ask for help and I wouldn't [TS]

00:10:37   feel so awkward right like if I needed [TS]

00:10:39   help I could ask the person at the front [TS]

00:10:41   desk but like in the laundromat I don't [TS]

00:10:43   know it just feels it feels like a more [TS]

00:10:45   intimidating experience for me to walk [TS]

00:10:47   into this you know room of people doing [TS]

00:10:50   their laundry and then I'm like oh [TS]

00:10:51   bumbling around and [TS]

00:10:53   my Britishness and I dropped my top hat [TS]

00:10:55   and and like I said it would be a [TS]

00:10:57   nightmare yeah but you got to you got to [TS]

00:10:59   make that work for you Mike you just be [TS]

00:11:00   like I'm from a foreign land we don't we [TS]

00:11:02   don't have laundry machines please help [TS]

00:11:04   me so I should basically what you're [TS]

00:11:05   saying is I should walk in there with [TS]

00:11:07   like a Union Jack waistcoat yeah exactly [TS]

00:11:09   that's what you need to do hip everybody [TS]

00:11:11   off straight right at the beginning yeah [TS]

00:11:14   that's that's that would that would work [TS]

00:11:15   best for you but you won't really have [TS]

00:11:16   to do that because the hotel will just [TS]

00:11:18   handle it for you great and that's [TS]

00:11:20   that's the number one thing and I guess [TS]

00:11:23   especially especially the summer for me [TS]

00:11:25   with with the conferences that I was at [TS]

00:11:27   mm-hmm I cannot I cannot tell you what a [TS]

00:11:31   mental relief it is to just have this [TS]

00:11:32   one part of the problem just handled [TS]

00:11:34   yeah it's like great my bags are lighter [TS]

00:11:37   but my clothes will always be clean [TS]

00:11:39   because I'll just every other day I'll [TS]

00:11:43   hand the hotel that I'm at a bag with [TS]

00:11:45   some small amount of laundry and it will [TS]

00:11:47   just be returned and everything will be [TS]

00:11:49   fine so that's great that's really great [TS]

00:11:51   that's it okay so next two of the three [TS]

00:11:54   weeks right I am gonna be working mm-hmm [TS]

00:11:58   I'm just working as normal in hotels the [TS]

00:12:01   third week I'm staying [TS]

00:12:03   with Stephen my co-founder and I'm gonna [TS]

00:12:05   be working from his office some people [TS]

00:12:08   do let me work in their offices with [TS]

00:12:09   them which is just just really nice you [TS]

00:12:12   know like it's just a good thing to do [TS]

00:12:14   so your office surfing that's what [TS]

00:12:16   you're doing mm-hmm so I'm just gonna be [TS]

00:12:18   working his in his office cos he offered [TS]

00:12:20   because he's kind you know you so good [TS]

00:12:22   like a good thing right like you got a [TS]

00:12:24   friend you need some time to spend in an [TS]

00:12:25   office and he's like I'll bring a desk [TS]

00:12:27   in for you we'll work together in the [TS]

00:12:28   office [TS]

00:12:29   you know some people are just really [TS]

00:12:31   good about that sort of stuff [TS]

00:12:32   no so we're gonna do that for the third [TS]

00:12:35   week but for the other two weeks I need [TS]

00:12:38   to be working as normal but I'm living [TS]

00:12:40   in the hotel right where do I work do I [TS]

00:12:42   stay in the hotel or do I go to places [TS]

00:12:45   okay all right [TS]

00:12:50   it always depends on the hotel okay but [TS]

00:12:54   one of the things I really like about [TS]

00:12:57   traveling and being at hotels is [TS]

00:12:59   exploring a new hotel because I have yet [TS]

00:13:04   to find a hotel that doesn't have some [TS]

00:13:08   kind of nice area to work in but it's [TS]

00:13:12   not always it's not always obvious where [TS]

00:13:14   this area is you saying you spend time [TS]

00:13:16   in the business center is that so where [TS]

00:13:18   you go well okay so some places will [TS]

00:13:21   have business centers right and that can [TS]

00:13:23   be very nice but very often the business [TS]

00:13:25   centers are terrible confined areas [TS]

00:13:28   printe and one computer in a closet yeah [TS]

00:13:31   so that's it's not very nice but almost [TS]

00:13:35   every hotel has has some kind of area [TS]

00:13:39   that's like for people having meetings [TS]

00:13:42   who might be at the hotel and even [TS]

00:13:45   surprisingly small hotels will have a [TS]

00:13:48   little mini conference center of some [TS]

00:13:50   kind and I often find that you can you [TS]

00:13:54   can either just like find these areas of [TS]

00:13:56   the hotel which are essentially [TS]

00:13:57   abandoned and you just use them what do [TS]

00:14:01   you like cuz I've been in those hotels [TS]

00:14:03   where like you walk down a corridor and [TS]

00:14:06   there's nothing there there's nobody [TS]

00:14:07   then just look like anybody's been there [TS]

00:14:09   in five years but there are these huge [TS]

00:14:12   rooms like all of the San Francisco [TS]

00:14:13   hotels I've stayed in I like this oh [TS]

00:14:15   yeah yeah I think there was one of the [TS]

00:14:19   hotels I was at this summer it's like I [TS]

00:14:21   was just walking around trying to do [TS]

00:14:24   this like I'm trying to find a place to [TS]

00:14:25   work and it's like oh there's a gigantic [TS]

00:14:29   ballroom in the basement I know it's [TS]

00:14:33   just like just go down the stairs all [TS]

00:14:34   the doors are open like this there's [TS]

00:14:35   this whole place here it's just lit up [TS]

00:14:37   but there's nobody here [TS]

00:14:38   so nobody here all day maybe four not [TS]

00:14:40   for ten years you know it's like you [TS]

00:14:41   just don't know but it's it's it's [TS]

00:14:44   surprising how many hotels [TS]

00:14:45   if you look around have a space to work [TS]

00:14:49   that is almost certainly better than [TS]

00:14:51   whatever sad little desk you have in the [TS]

00:14:54   actual hotel room okay so so I have I [TS]

00:14:57   have extraordinarily rarely not been [TS]

00:15:01   able to find some better space in the [TS]

00:15:04   hotel and if you can't find anyplace [TS]

00:15:06   I've asked [TS]

00:15:08   front desk like are there like is there [TS]

00:15:10   is there a meeting room somewhere that I [TS]

00:15:12   can use if nobody is using it and you [TS]

00:15:15   know usually if you're nice to the [TS]

00:15:16   person at the front desk like oh yeah [TS]

00:15:18   whatever there's some there's some space [TS]

00:15:19   that nobody goes into and it's fine so [TS]

00:15:21   do you not look for like cool coffee [TS]

00:15:23   shops outside places to work or do you [TS]

00:15:26   just tend to stay in the hotel well what [TS]

00:15:29   I'm trying to the reason why I'm [TS]

00:15:30   discussing the hotel here is I'm running [TS]

00:15:33   under the assumption that you you might [TS]

00:15:34   be in a place where it's there's nothing [TS]

00:15:37   around the hotel which is useful because [TS]

00:15:39   like sometimes in America particularly [TS]

00:15:41   if you don't have a car you can be a [TS]

00:15:43   little bit isolated depending where [TS]

00:15:46   you're staying well so most of this time [TS]

00:15:48   we'll all be in New York City [TS]

00:15:50   okay so you'll be in New York City yeah [TS]

00:15:52   all right well then then it's a [TS]

00:15:53   different thing like then then you can [TS]

00:15:55   try to find cool hipster places to work [TS]

00:15:59   in I'll make you think that that's what [TS]

00:16:01   I'm looking for and I just assume that [TS]

00:16:04   you go out on the streets and your [TS]

00:16:06   hipster door would point you in the [TS]

00:16:08   correct location to close that I think [TS]

00:16:11   like hipster hipster would have been [TS]

00:16:12   better you really you nearly got it [TS]

00:16:16   nearly got it I think it was perfectly [TS]

00:16:17   fine but yeah like that that can totally [TS]

00:16:20   that can totally work but I prefer if I [TS]

00:16:24   can find a guaranteed quiet spot in the [TS]

00:16:26   hotel to work I would usually rather do [TS]

00:16:28   that because it's just it's just like a [TS]

00:16:30   more it's like a more guaranteed space [TS]

00:16:33   yeah yeah there's no expectation if you [TS]

00:16:35   need him to leave because you haven't [TS]

00:16:37   bought enough lattes right like you yeah [TS]

00:16:39   yeah even if it's is in the back of your [TS]

00:16:41   mind like what's the latte counter per [TS]

00:16:42   hour here and yeah it's like I've gotten [TS]

00:16:46   a lot of really good work done in in [TS]

00:16:48   like weird abandoned places in a hotel [TS]

00:16:51   so it's that's why it's just [TS]

00:16:52   particularly on my mind and it's like a [TS]

00:16:54   life hack [TS]

00:16:55   right that's what that's what you're [TS]

00:16:56   that's what you're looking for so when [TS]

00:16:57   you're in these weird abandoned places [TS]

00:16:59   are you also playing fun to sounds or [TS]

00:17:01   you do not do that depends depends on [TS]

00:17:04   how likely I think it is that someone's [TS]

00:17:05   gonna walk by I imagine like some [TS]

00:17:07   attendant walking past the closed doors [TS]

00:17:09   of the ballroom just hears some some [TS]

00:17:11   person muttering to themselves [TS]

00:17:13   these thunder and lightning noises [TS]

00:17:15   so I must be incredible yeah this is [TS]

00:17:18   this is how haunted hotel rumors start I [TS]

00:17:21   have one last thing one last thing I [TS]

00:17:24   need your advice on for this trip Ranko [TS]

00:17:27   food now I have noticed about myself [TS]

00:17:32   that if I am away from home for like a [TS]

00:17:34   long period of time I start to feel a [TS]

00:17:36   bit sick from eating out all the time [TS]

00:17:38   yeah yeah so how do you combat this [TS]

00:17:41   because like you can't I mean at least [TS]

00:17:44   not in the hotels that I'm saying and I [TS]

00:17:45   can't prepare myself a meal so what do [TS]

00:17:48   you what do you do do you do eat out for [TS]

00:17:51   every meal I'm totally with you on this [TS]

00:17:55   you can get kind of travel food sick [TS]

00:17:59   yeah especially in America where yeah [TS]

00:18:02   I'm sorry Americans like you have such [TS]

00:18:05   amazing food but it's really bad for [TS]

00:18:07   your constitution yeah and it can also [TS]

00:18:10   be like this food is amazing but also [TS]

00:18:13   kind of plastic at the same at the same [TS]

00:18:18   time grace I don't know me I didn't do [TS]

00:18:21   that that's why I didn't you didn't need [TS]

00:18:23   to say it like the American can say it [TS]

00:18:25   and then it's fine I can say that out [TS]

00:18:27   loud [TS]

00:18:28   but it's even like oh like if I go into [TS]

00:18:32   I hop and it's like oh I hop you can [TS]

00:18:34   make me an omelet any time of day that's [TS]

00:18:36   great it's a fantastic standard meal but [TS]

00:18:39   after three of them it's like these [TS]

00:18:41   omelets are both delicious and plasticky [TS]

00:18:45   like I feel like I have some kind of [TS]

00:18:47   plastic revit residue building up inside [TS]

00:18:50   of my body or the food can just start to [TS]

00:18:54   feel a little bit unreal and again Orion [TS]

00:18:59   again in America sort of say me like [TS]

00:19:02   every burger place is sort of the same [TS]

00:19:05   so yeah it's like America fantastic for [TS]

00:19:08   two weeks but it can if you're there [TS]

00:19:11   longer it's like you need to start [TS]

00:19:12   planning for this kind of stuff I don't [TS]

00:19:14   have a lot to tell you about this [TS]

00:19:15   because it's like it depends so much on [TS]

00:19:17   what you eat but there's there's two [TS]

00:19:22   things here like the first is I will [TS]

00:19:24   very like on the this past summer I very [TS]

00:19:27   frequently would [TS]

00:19:29   just try to find a supermarket that was [TS]

00:19:31   nearby and almost in a way like eat out [TS]

00:19:35   at the supermarket like I'm just gonna [TS]

00:19:37   go to the supermarket I'm gonna buy some [TS]

00:19:39   things that I can immediately assemble [TS]

00:19:40   into a meal that I will just eat instead [TS]

00:19:43   of eating out at a restaurant because [TS]

00:19:46   it's just sort of like I said the food [TS]

00:19:47   is sort of tiring constantly eating out [TS]

00:19:49   at a restaurant but what I also try to [TS]

00:19:52   look for is a lot of American hotels are [TS]

00:19:56   sort of family-oriented in that they [TS]

00:19:58   will have like a little fridge or maybe [TS]

00:20:01   a super tiny kitchen area and and that [TS]

00:20:05   can be helpful so if you know you're [TS]

00:20:06   gonna be in a place for a while I will [TS]

00:20:08   very often try to find a hotel that [TS]

00:20:11   won't just have a minibar but they'll [TS]

00:20:14   have here's a little refrigerator and [TS]

00:20:17   maybe just like out like a one pan [TS]

00:20:19   electric stovetop but it makes a huge [TS]

00:20:21   difference I think I you know look you [TS]

00:20:24   know me right like the places that I've [TS]

00:20:26   booked that they're too hipster to have [TS]

00:20:29   a little kitchenette like it's right [TS]

00:20:31   let's be honest I'm staying in Brooklyn [TS]

00:20:35   you know I yeah the kind of hotel that I [TS]

00:20:38   assume has it like a dog at the front [TS]

00:20:40   reception desk maybe I'm not interested [TS]

00:20:42   in the dog it's very possible yeah a dog [TS]

00:20:47   with glasses yeah a bowtie so I may have [TS]

00:20:50   shot myself in the foot on that one now [TS]

00:20:52   if you already made reservations I can't [TS]

00:20:53   help you [TS]

00:20:54   of course I've already made reservations [TS]

00:20:55   I leave in like two and a half weeks [TS]

00:20:57   gray no we don't all live on the edge [TS]

00:21:00   like you yeah I love I love to leave [TS]

00:21:02   everything into the last possible second [TS]

00:21:04   I know you did everybody who knows me is [TS]

00:21:06   irritated to no end [TS]

00:21:08   it's like this is that this is a [TS]

00:21:10   hangover of standby flying is like how [TS]

00:21:13   late can I leave this decision until I [TS]

00:21:15   will leave it until the last possible [TS]

00:21:17   moment but yes I'm sorry that your [TS]

00:21:20   hipster hotels won't have refrigerators [TS]

00:21:23   yeah I mean they have all the other [TS]

00:21:25   amenities that I'm looking for but maybe [TS]

00:21:27   not maybe then maybe it has a [TS]

00:21:29   refrigerator but I doubt it has a little [TS]

00:21:31   stovetop or anything yeah well I think [TS]

00:21:33   even with the refrigerator I think that [TS]

00:21:35   that becomes I've noticed becoming more [TS]

00:21:37   difficult over time is that you used to [TS]

00:21:40   be able to kind of at least pack stuff [TS]

00:21:42   in a little refriger [TS]

00:21:43   even if it was explicitly intended to be [TS]

00:21:44   a minibar but more and more hotels are [TS]

00:21:47   using those mini bars that are pressure [TS]

00:21:48   sensitive so if you try to like pack [TS]

00:21:51   some stuff in the refrigerator it [TS]

00:21:52   registers that you have purchased [TS]

00:21:53   everything and you hate writing you have [TS]

00:21:54   like a five hundred dollar bill the next [TS]

00:21:57   morning so it's those those those [TS]

00:22:00   refrigerators are super annoying there's [TS]

00:22:02   one last thing that I'll just mention [TS]

00:22:03   for long-term travel which people don't [TS]

00:22:07   often think about but you can have [TS]

00:22:10   things sent to a hotel in advance of [TS]

00:22:15   your arrival mm-hmm and what I'm just [TS]

00:22:19   thinking about your cupboard full of [TS]

00:22:21   audio equipment look like we don't need [TS]

00:22:24   to get into the details we can gloss [TS]

00:22:27   over the details but I'm just gonna say [TS]

00:22:31   for very long travel it is it is worth [TS]

00:22:36   thinking about are there things that you [TS]

00:22:39   can have sent to the hotel instead of [TS]

00:22:41   having to carry it to the hotel or [TS]

00:22:43   things that you'll need on on the trip [TS]

00:22:45   which are simply easier instead of [TS]

00:22:47   getting them before you leave and [TS]

00:22:49   packing them having them sent to where [TS]

00:22:50   you're gonna go you just you need to [TS]

00:22:52   speaking from experience you need to [TS]

00:22:54   contact the hotel before you do this and [TS]

00:22:57   find out whatever their little system is [TS]

00:22:59   because each hotel will have some [TS]

00:23:01   squirrely system for how you're supposed [TS]

00:23:02   to address the mail that they're going [TS]

00:23:05   to get for you in advance but this is [TS]

00:23:07   this is also a hugely helpful thing and [TS]

00:23:09   so this summer I was actually very [TS]

00:23:11   fortunate in that I was I was reopen on [TS]

00:23:15   some of the clothes that I buy in like [TS]

00:23:17   packages as we've mentioned before it's [TS]

00:23:18   like oh it's time to get new shirts so I [TS]

00:23:21   need four new shirts of the exact same [TS]

00:23:23   kind and so I had a bunch of clothes [TS]

00:23:26   that I was able to just have shipped to [TS]

00:23:28   the hotel which were the like new [TS]

00:23:30   clothes that I was going to wear in bulk [TS]

00:23:33   so that I didn't have to actually have [TS]

00:23:35   it shipped to me here in the UK and then [TS]

00:23:39   like pack it all and travel with it to [TS]

00:23:41   America it's like no just I'm just [TS]

00:23:43   arriving and the stuff is here and yes [TS]

00:23:45   there may be some other like equipment [TS]

00:23:47   or other things who knows that it's [TS]

00:23:49   useful to have sent ahead of time but [TS]

00:23:51   it's just like I just want to mention it [TS]

00:23:53   because it's the thing that people don't [TS]

00:23:54   think about [TS]

00:23:56   but it's useful to just have in mind [TS]

00:23:58   especially if you're doing a long trip [TS]

00:24:01   where I feel like it's very easy to [TS]

00:24:04   overwhelm yourself with packing just to [TS]

00:24:06   keep this in mind as a tool you can send [TS]

00:24:09   stuff to a hotel in advance and they [TS]

00:24:12   will have it for you when you arrive and [TS]

00:24:14   there may be things that you can do this [TS]

00:24:16   with instead of having to pack them up [TS]

00:24:18   and bring them with you so just keep [TS]

00:24:19   that in mind this is something that I'm [TS]

00:24:21   familiar with because quite frequently [TS]

00:24:23   there will be a call from the front desk [TS]

00:24:26   for me and I have to go pick up a [TS]

00:24:28   package which is probably something from [TS]

00:24:31   Levi's the Idina has ordered for me to [TS]

00:24:32   bring home this is yes yes that's a [TS]

00:24:35   whole other category of things to bring [TS]

00:24:38   home for somebody else from America yes [TS]

00:24:40   because America is full of treasures [TS]

00:24:41   like what's the name of the hotel that [TS]

00:24:44   you're staying it what's the address yes [TS]

00:24:48   it is it is not possible to return from [TS]

00:24:50   America without bringing things back for [TS]

00:24:52   people unspecified yes I once happened [TS]

00:24:55   went down to the front desk he came back [TS]

00:24:57   upstairs were box I opened the box and [TS]

00:24:59   there was a cooking thermometer in the [TS]

00:25:01   box that's good it is a really good for [TS]

00:25:07   moment though you know America they make [TS]

00:25:10   good stuff there except homeless right [TS]

00:25:12   almost are good but not more than three [TS]

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00:27:06   of this show and relay event so I have a [TS]

00:27:09   question for you mm-hmm I feel like over [TS]

00:27:12   the time that I've known you over the [TS]

00:27:13   few years have been working together [TS]

00:27:14   you've been very influential on me in a [TS]

00:27:17   few different areas you know like making [TS]

00:27:19   me think about different projects to [TS]

00:27:20   start different ways of thinking about [TS]

00:27:22   work I just want to see if it is [TS]

00:27:25   possible that I influenced you in any [TS]

00:27:29   way [TS]

00:27:30   to start vlogging no I'm sorry Mike you [TS]

00:27:36   should give me one you know just throw [TS]

00:27:38   me a bone you know look just say yes I [TS]

00:27:43   mean I can it like we have to be we have [TS]

00:27:48   to be truthful with the listener doing [TS]

00:27:51   and it's like I can like I can hear it I [TS]

00:27:55   can hear it in your mic voice and I feel [TS]

00:27:58   like I would I would love to give this [TS]

00:27:59   gift to you but if I give this gift to [TS]

00:28:03   you then like I have to i'd have to like [TS]

00:28:06   lie about all of the other questions you [TS]

00:28:07   can ask me about vlogging and so we have [TS]

00:28:10   to we have to go into this truthfully [TS]

00:28:12   what you say there's absolutely zero [TS]

00:28:15   influence from our discussions about [TS]

00:28:18   vlogging which pushed you into creating [TS]

00:28:21   a vlog that's literally zero [TS]

00:28:24   so I'm like if you go but if you go back [TS]

00:28:27   to the CGP grey to youtube channel [TS]

00:28:30   mm-hmm and you look at some of those [TS]

00:28:31   early videos those early videos are [TS]

00:28:35   there because they are discards from [TS]

00:28:37   vlogs that I tried to make right from [TS]

00:28:41   the start of the channel like or their [TS]

00:28:43   test footage for things that I was [TS]

00:28:45   trying out mm-hmm [TS]

00:28:47   so that vlog that I put up was probably [TS]

00:28:52   the fifth or sixth serious run that I [TS]

00:28:57   had done towards vlogging of some kind [TS]

00:29:01   in the past many years so I'm sorry Mike [TS]

00:29:05   well moving swiftly on then why did you [TS]

00:29:10   do this I really I can't understand why [TS]

00:29:13   you did this like there are so many [TS]

00:29:15   things that you just put out a video [TS]

00:29:18   right like a couple of days before it [TS]

00:29:21   was a pretty big video that you've been [TS]

00:29:23   working and I know for quite a while [TS]

00:29:24   which was very good cause seven ways to [TS]

00:29:26   maximize misery that I don't want to [TS]

00:29:28   talk about because I'll have to think [TS]

00:29:30   about that video again and it just makes [TS]

00:29:33   me sad right if I think about me and [TS]

00:29:36   that video I don't want to talk about [TS]

00:29:38   that one so okay we just move swiftly on [TS]

00:29:41   swiftly along really swiftly almost [TS]

00:29:45   breakneck speed forget that videos made [TS]

00:29:48   a lot of people uncomfortable yes yes [TS]

00:29:49   perfect think about it for a while and [TS]

00:29:54   now I don't want to be here anymore like [TS]

00:29:58   just put it up and it was doing really [TS]

00:30:00   well and then you're like oh surprise [TS]

00:30:02   here is a vlog that I made which is 16 [TS]

00:30:06   minutes long which is 15 minutes 34 [TS]

00:30:10   seconds to be precise my my number one [TS]

00:30:14   piece of critique for you is that your [TS]

00:30:16   your time lapse was too long that is [TS]

00:30:18   that is my critique for you okay if I [TS]

00:30:21   know you didn't ask for it but that [TS]

00:30:23   would that would be it I'm interested in [TS]

00:30:24   your input so I'm just very I'm really I [TS]

00:30:28   was really struggling at the time to try [TS]

00:30:30   and work out why you did this mmm and I [TS]

00:30:34   still don't think I have a good a good [TS]

00:30:36   idea for do you have any guesses you [TS]

00:30:37   just like to surprise people I don't [TS]

00:30:39   know like I feel like sometimes you know [TS]

00:30:41   just about 60% of your overall work is [TS]

00:30:45   just like a real long con [TS]

00:30:46   on someone's right there is like you [TS]

00:30:51   know some scrolling event that you're [TS]

00:30:53   working towards and like when we get [TS]

00:30:55   there you know it's like a prestige type [TS]

00:30:58   thing wow that would be a lot of my work [TS]

00:31:06   like my whole YouTube career was a long [TS]

00:31:09   con for this moment like surprise I'm [TS]

00:31:11   actually come flocking so it's just [TS]

00:31:16   gonna be vlogs from now on yeah yeah oh [TS]

00:31:19   yeah someone upset you like 15 years ago [TS]

00:31:22   and like you've been working towards the [TS]

00:31:24   payback like and eventually you'll get [TS]

00:31:26   there mmm-hmm that's the interesting [TS]

00:31:29   perspective no no Michael although [TS]

00:31:33   although I do have to say it was it was [TS]

00:31:35   in a perfect lineup of things in the [TS]

00:31:39   universe I was I was planning to post [TS]

00:31:42   that that video when I did you know a [TS]

00:31:43   couple days after the previous one had [TS]

00:31:45   gone up but I absolutely loved is the [TS]

00:31:47   day before I posted it some guy on the [TS]

00:31:51   reddit had a top-voted comment or he's [TS]

00:31:53   like oh let me just I know what kind of [TS]

00:31:54   videos gray makes he makes two kinds of [TS]

00:31:56   videos and he like wrote this long [TS]

00:31:57   explanation of like this is exactly what [TS]

00:31:59   grade does and we can expect all of his [TS]

00:32:00   videos look like this and I was like [TS]

00:32:02   tee-hee-hee inside I was like you don't [TS]

00:32:05   know it's coming tomorrow buddy and it [TS]

00:32:09   was great because a lot of people [TS]

00:32:10   remember that comment the you know when [TS]

00:32:12   the vlog went out there like hey didn't [TS]

00:32:13   this guy have a top voted comment about [TS]

00:32:15   you know it's exactly what's going to [TS]

00:32:16   happen so I you know you know I think [TS]

00:32:20   the listeners of this show know that the [TS]

00:32:24   expectation is that you should not have [TS]

00:32:26   expectations as you put it once Mike and [TS]

00:32:29   I feel like this doing a vlog certainly [TS]

00:32:34   certainly fits into that category of an [TS]

00:32:37   expectation breaker it was one of the [TS]

00:32:39   many things that that you do like [TS]

00:32:41   sometimes you do something and then I [TS]

00:32:43   start getting texts from people like [TS]

00:32:47   people they just want to know you're [TS]

00:32:49   okay right like if you go on [TS]

00:32:51   you're particularly interesting Twitter [TS]

00:32:55   excursions for anything who you know [TS]

00:32:57   like people like see all right and like [TS]

00:32:59   I think so yeah so this was one of those [TS]

00:33:02   I like the idea that people don't [TS]

00:33:05   message me about the video people [TS]

00:33:08   message you about the video it's more [TS]

00:33:10   about just your overall state really [TS]

00:33:12   okay right that's why they don't they [TS]

00:33:14   don't ask me because they're worried [TS]

00:33:15   they want to know it's you but I think [TS]

00:33:17   people just know you won't respond [TS]

00:33:19   respond eventually I get back to text [TS]

00:33:21   messages within at least a week most of [TS]

00:33:23   the time that is really good yes keep [TS]

00:33:27   that try to keep that a real tight loop [TS]

00:33:28   do you have like a good reason for why [TS]

00:33:30   you did this like what what made you [TS]

00:33:33   want to like what what was it that one [TS]

00:33:36   like made you make the video and to put [TS]

00:33:37   it on the main channels well like it [TS]

00:33:39   really is an out of character move like [TS]

00:33:43   it like to be serious like it is a it is [TS]

00:33:47   a strange thing to do I think well I [TS]

00:33:51   don't know I mean again it doesn't seem [TS]

00:33:52   out of character to me I mean okay let's [TS]

00:33:54   compare it to every other video on the [TS]

00:33:55   channel shall we right like it is [TS]

00:33:58   different it's it's different in a posh [TS]

00:34:01   way to everything else that you produce [TS]

00:34:03   because people learn things from your [TS]

00:34:04   videos but like the lesson that you were [TS]

00:34:06   teaching in the vlog people shouldn't [TS]

00:34:08   learn ramune it's a perfect that's a [TS]

00:34:10   great that when you travel that you [TS]

00:34:13   should keep your timezone of home like I [TS]

00:34:14   don't [TS]

00:34:15   that was very / - are you seriously [TS]

00:34:17   gonna say that that's not a great like I [TS]

00:34:19   think that genius I think everybody it [TS]

00:34:21   is a good idea for if you are in this [TS]

00:34:24   very specific set of circumstances that [TS]

00:34:27   you were in and very rarely when people [TS]

00:34:30   travel are they in those exact set of [TS]

00:34:32   circumstances I think I think more [TS]

00:34:35   people could get more utility out of [TS]

00:34:36   this than then you might be expecting [TS]

00:34:38   Mike alright I think this is great I [TS]

00:34:40   think this is a fantastic idea haven't [TS]

00:34:43   you done it since well I've only done [TS]

00:34:45   one actually wait a second okay so what [TS]

00:34:51   I'm realizing is I just realized I have [TS]

00:34:53   to do the mental calculation because in [TS]

00:34:54   my mind publishing the vlog when I did [TS]

00:34:57   puts the actual trip in my head in the [TS]

00:34:59   wrong timeline right I think like oh [TS]

00:35:01   that trip happened much more recently [TS]

00:35:03   than it actually did because it happened [TS]

00:35:04   a while [TS]

00:35:04   go mm-hmm but so the answer is yes I [TS]

00:35:07   have done it but only on trips that are [TS]

00:35:10   going to time zones that are very close [TS]

00:35:12   and this summer six weeks I think would [TS]

00:35:16   have been too long [TS]

00:35:17   to try to maintain grey master time I [TS]

00:35:20   think that would have been a fast recipe [TS]

00:35:23   for disaster [TS]

00:35:24   so I have not had a short trip to [TS]

00:35:27   America that it would make sense to do [TS]

00:35:29   this but I feel like there are many [TS]

00:35:31   trips to America in which this makes [TS]

00:35:33   total sense that this is this is the [TS]

00:35:35   best idea ever was it under very [TS]

00:35:37   specific circumstances right like if you [TS]

00:35:40   are only going for a very short period [TS]

00:35:42   of time what you don't need to be a [TS]

00:35:43   shorter act with other humans in regular [TS]

00:35:46   settings this is a very abnormal trip to [TS]

00:35:49   take I don't know it seems like a lot of [TS]

00:35:51   my trips are like this literally [TS]

00:35:53   everybody travels like again like [TS]

00:35:56   completely centered around you and your [TS]

00:35:58   cuca see is this a human okay but it's a [TS]

00:36:02   great idea and I'm glad we can both [TS]

00:36:03   agree on that so I still don't have a [TS]

00:36:05   good answer for why you did this well I [TS]

00:36:10   guess there's two things here one of [TS]

00:36:13   which is if you go back to again some of [TS]

00:36:16   the older videos on that CGP grey 2 [TS]

00:36:18   channel where I'm doing like test [TS]

00:36:20   footage of trying to figure out some [TS]

00:36:22   stuff for vlogs and you're seeing like [TS]

00:36:23   little leftover bits I'd always just [TS]

00:36:28   kind of thought that there was some [TS]

00:36:29   space on the channel for doing a [TS]

00:36:32   different kind of video something that [TS]

00:36:34   wasn't animated explanation and I like I [TS]

00:36:39   had it in my mind that doing something [TS]

00:36:41   like a vlog and talking about stuff like [TS]

00:36:45   there was there was some kind of space [TS]

00:36:47   for this on the YouTube channel but I [TS]

00:36:50   could I could never quite figure out [TS]

00:36:53   what that was and so there's a there's [TS]

00:36:57   just a bunch of like aborted attempts [TS]

00:36:59   over the years of kind of getting an [TS]

00:37:02   idea and shooting some test footage and [TS]

00:37:05   then realizing oh that that doesn't work [TS]

00:37:07   I think actually on on this podcast I [TS]

00:37:10   made reference to one of these attempts [TS]

00:37:11   where I talked about like I bought I did [TS]

00:37:12   buy the Osmo because you recommended it [TS]

00:37:14   and I think I made a reference about [TS]

00:37:16   like I was shooting some test footage [TS]

00:37:17   for something and [TS]

00:37:18   that was an attempt I spot that I [TS]

00:37:20   figured something else going on when you [TS]

00:37:21   bought that thing right because why else [TS]

00:37:23   would you buy a gimbal exactly what what [TS]

00:37:28   project is this for it's it's it has a [TS]

00:37:30   very limited number of uses I think [TS]

00:37:33   that's a good example of like acquiring [TS]

00:37:36   tools over time each time I tried to [TS]

00:37:39   make a run at vlogging it didn't work [TS]

00:37:42   for a bunch of different reasons but [TS]

00:37:43   this has been one of these things that [TS]

00:37:46   has been on the back of my mind for [TS]

00:37:47   forever and this is one of these [TS]

00:37:49   examples where you know when I make [TS]

00:37:51   reference to side projects this is the [TS]

00:37:53   kind of this is one of those kinds of [TS]

00:37:55   things like I've been tinkering on [TS]

00:37:57   something like this in in the background [TS]

00:38:00   and I think said this is maybe the fifth [TS]

00:38:04   or sixth go at it and I feel like each [TS]

00:38:06   time I made a go at it they didn't work [TS]

00:38:09   at all but I kind of figured out what [TS]

00:38:13   part of a thing worked like I'll give a [TS]

00:38:16   perfect example there is a monument in [TS]

00:38:19   London which is like a it's a monument [TS]

00:38:22   to animals in war it's sort of on the [TS]

00:38:25   side of Hyde Park and a few years ago I [TS]

00:38:28   made an attempt of shooting a thing [TS]

00:38:31   talking about that Monument so I was [TS]

00:38:34   trying to try to put together like oh [TS]

00:38:36   here's the thing that I can talk about [TS]

00:38:38   something but in sort of a more casual [TS]

00:38:39   way and I'll upload it to uploaded to [TS]

00:38:41   the channel and I shot a bunch of stuff [TS]

00:38:43   and recorded it and put it together and [TS]

00:38:46   when I was finished with this like oh [TS]

00:38:48   all I've done is I've made it like a [TS]

00:38:50   terrible version of the vlogbrothers [TS]

00:38:52   thoughts from places I was like this is [TS]

00:38:55   it was like it's so clear when I cut it [TS]

00:38:56   together like oh this is what this thing [TS]

00:38:58   was it was like I'm not gonna upload [TS]

00:39:00   this because I don't I don't think it's [TS]

00:39:02   very good and it's not just very good [TS]

00:39:05   it's also like a worse version of [TS]

00:39:07   something else but shooting that and [TS]

00:39:09   getting practice for talking while I'm [TS]

00:39:13   shooting a thing like that it helped [TS]

00:39:15   build towards something else so I did [TS]

00:39:18   this a bunch of times someone actually [TS]

00:39:20   spotted in the vlog because people who [TS]

00:39:21   are always amazed at what people are [TS]

00:39:23   able to spot in in videos and in vlogs [TS]

00:39:25   but somebody spotted that in my Final [TS]

00:39:30   Cut Pro library there's another library [TS]

00:39:32   that's called the Cardiff log and it's [TS]

00:39:34   like yes that was another abort attempt [TS]

00:39:36   at like a thing that I tried to do but [TS]

00:39:38   they were like ooh cart cart if vlog [TS]

00:39:40   confirmed or Anna's like oh no that's [TS]

00:39:42   just a dead project that I haven't moved [TS]

00:39:43   but it's like I'm one of the screenshots [TS]

00:39:45   you can see it there but somebody was [TS]

00:39:47   really excited about a car to flog sorry [TS]

00:39:49   guy it's not happening it wasn't very [TS]

00:39:50   good [TS]

00:39:51   probably nothing caught if let's be [TS]

00:39:52   honest probably so like I guess the the [TS]

00:39:57   most direct answer to your question is [TS]

00:39:59   like why did this thing happen it's [TS]

00:40:03   partly that has just been on my mind for [TS]

00:40:05   a long time not a high priority project [TS]

00:40:08   by any means but something I've been [TS]

00:40:09   thinking about and then it was also just [TS]

00:40:14   the result of a bunch of things coming [TS]

00:40:16   together that felt like oh I've made [TS]

00:40:19   enough goes at this that I've learned [TS]

00:40:21   how to do a few things and I happen to [TS]

00:40:25   be doing a trip that I think is [TS]

00:40:28   interesting to other people in a [TS]

00:40:31   particular way and like I can look at [TS]

00:40:34   that vlog and very clearly see things [TS]

00:40:36   from older vlogs that like I changed or [TS]

00:40:41   adapted like last year at VidCon I was [TS]

00:40:43   trying to shoot a bunch of stuff for I [TS]

00:40:45   felt like oh I'll do a vlog about going [TS]

00:40:46   to VidCon like this will be kind of [TS]

00:40:47   interesting [TS]

00:40:48   no-one's done one of those before yeah [TS]

00:40:51   well this is it like I thought I had an [TS]

00:40:52   idea about how to do it and it's like oh [TS]

00:40:54   this and and when I was there it was so [TS]

00:40:56   clear like this is terrible like this is [TS]

00:40:57   a terrible idea but there were a couple [TS]

00:40:59   of things about that that I thought like [TS]

00:41:01   well this whole thing is terrible I have [TS]

00:41:03   an interesting idea about a way to do [TS]

00:41:05   something and I'll just I'll put that in [TS]

00:41:07   my pocket for later so I feel like this [TS]

00:41:09   is this is another one of these examples [TS]

00:41:13   where it kind of I think it kind of [TS]

00:41:17   looks to people like it like it's a [TS]

00:41:19   thing that comes out of nowhere but it's [TS]

00:41:21   actually like everything it's grown out [TS]

00:41:24   of other stuff okay I think it's for you [TS]

00:41:27   specifically vlogging is weird why well [TS]

00:41:31   because you don't show yourself right [TS]

00:41:33   like that is a thing that you have made [TS]

00:41:35   a concerted effort over the years I'm [TS]

00:41:38   working right that you're you're quite a [TS]

00:41:40   private person and you never show your [TS]

00:41:42   face like I don't show my safe face in [TS]

00:41:45   the vlog though [TS]

00:41:46   I know but what I mean is the fact that [TS]

00:41:48   you are a very private person and you [TS]

00:41:50   don't show your face is why when people [TS]

00:41:53   see Seagrave vlog they're surprised by [TS]

00:41:56   that because those two things are pretty [TS]

00:42:00   prevalent in vlogging now again look of [TS]

00:42:01   course you can do things your own way [TS]

00:42:02   you did you did a good job of how you [TS]

00:42:04   did pieces of camera you can see why [TS]

00:42:06   like it is surprising for you to vlog [TS]

00:42:10   because you don't like to talk about [TS]

00:42:12   your private life and you don't like to [TS]

00:42:14   show your face and that's kind of like a [TS]

00:42:16   big part of what the vlogs that people [TS]

00:42:19   expect to see include yeah I can I can [TS]

00:42:22   see that and this is where from the [TS]

00:42:25   behind the scenes stuff like one of the [TS]

00:42:26   rules that I had for myself about these [TS]

00:42:29   various projects is how to put this but [TS]

00:42:33   like let's say like you know if you know [TS]

00:42:36   a bunch of people who are vloggers there [TS]

00:42:38   are ways that you can see that the vlog [TS]

00:42:41   is their whole life I had just had it in [TS]

00:42:44   mind for this Las Vegas one in [TS]

00:42:45   particular that I was only gonna do this [TS]

00:42:48   if I could do it in a way that doesn't [TS]

00:42:50   interfere with any of the other stuff [TS]

00:42:53   that I'm there for or doesn't interfere [TS]

00:42:54   with my life in any way I am very very [TS]

00:42:57   conscious of this myself mm-hmm whenever [TS]

00:43:00   I take blog footage of a trip like a [TS]

00:43:04   conference I only take what I need right [TS]

00:43:07   and you know a lot of times like people [TS]

00:43:09   will say to me oh you're not vlogging [TS]

00:43:10   this because but just like well yeah but [TS]

00:43:13   I just choose not to take video footage [TS]

00:43:15   of all of us sitting around together [TS]

00:43:17   right like I'm very particular when I do [TS]

00:43:20   it of what I'm shooting because I don't [TS]

00:43:24   intend for the vlog to be all that I do [TS]

00:43:27   when I'm yeah I'm traveling and it's not [TS]

00:43:30   about this like being the moment type [TS]

00:43:32   you know like you know that whole idea [TS]

00:43:34   of like don't have don't take pictures [TS]

00:43:36   be in a moment which I kind of [TS]

00:43:37   understand to a point but that's not [TS]

00:43:38   yeah what I'm doing that's not you Ariza [TS]

00:43:40   yeah I have a life that is not the vlog [TS]

00:43:43   the vlog is not that important to me [TS]

00:43:45   that it needs to become my life [TS]

00:43:47   so exactly I will just take the footage [TS]

00:43:49   that I want and need and not film [TS]

00:43:51   everything because I get that perfect [TS]

00:43:53   moment right I actually I actually do [TS]

00:43:55   feel very strongly kind of [TS]

00:43:58   presence focus and that that was [TS]

00:44:02   something in particular that when I [TS]

00:44:03   mentioned like trying to film a vlog at [TS]

00:44:05   VidCon last year that was a thing I was [TS]

00:44:07   hyper aware of doing wrong was a kind of [TS]

00:44:11   thinking about everything in terms of [TS]

00:44:13   film ability and just realizing like wow [TS]

00:44:16   this makes me really unhappy immediately [TS]

00:44:19   like I just I hate having this loop run [TS]

00:44:23   in my mind which should have been [TS]

00:44:26   obvious because it's like there's plenty [TS]

00:44:27   of things I do in my life that are to [TS]

00:44:30   increase I kind of now focus that's like [TS]

00:44:32   this is one of the reasons why I took [TS]

00:44:34   Twitter off of my phone is because I [TS]

00:44:36   recognized having Twitter on my phone [TS]

00:44:37   means there's a constant demon process [TS]

00:44:41   running in the back of my brain which [TS]

00:44:43   says is there anything you could tweet [TS]

00:44:44   right now and it's like something like [TS]

00:44:46   that sort of pulls you out of just being [TS]

00:44:48   somewhere so I feel like I'm I am very [TS]

00:44:51   sensitive to that and like that's [TS]

00:44:53   something I learned from trying to film [TS]

00:44:55   a vlog like in a place where there are [TS]

00:44:57   people and I'm doing stuff pace is like [TS]

00:44:59   oh okay yeah I'm not I'm used to do this [TS]

00:45:02   because it makes my life worse [TS]

00:45:03   makes my life dramatically worse I found [TS]

00:45:06   myself just naturally doing this over [TS]

00:45:09   the last couple of years as my life has [TS]

00:45:11   changed you know in that like the people [TS]

00:45:13   that I'm closest to I see F handful of [TS]

00:45:17   times a year in most cases yeah like [TS]

00:45:19   most of my closest friends do not live [TS]

00:45:22   in the same country as me and so when I [TS]

00:45:26   am on these trips where we're all [TS]

00:45:28   together I just don't want to do [TS]

00:45:30   anything else that's contained within [TS]

00:45:32   the little box in my pocket right like [TS]

00:45:35   I've just become naturally quite good at [TS]

00:45:37   it well like without trying because it's [TS]

00:45:40   important to me so you know I I haven't [TS]

00:45:42   had to force myself I can see really see [TS]

00:45:45   why people do like I can totally see why [TS]

00:45:47   like people make the effort to force [TS]

00:45:49   themselves but when I'm on these sort of [TS]

00:45:51   trips okay it's just not something that [TS]

00:45:53   I want to be doing or dealing with and [TS]

00:45:56   honestly like the Apple watch has been a [TS]

00:45:58   big help for me with that because I [TS]

00:46:01   don't need to get my phone out of my [TS]

00:46:03   pocket because I'm confident that [TS]

00:46:05   everything that I need to know we pushed [TS]

00:46:06   on my wrist oh yeah and and like you [TS]

00:46:09   think that I'm aware of in conferences [TS]

00:46:11   is [TS]

00:46:11   I sort of have to open up my phone [TS]

00:46:15   more I think of it as putting the phone [TS]

00:46:17   in conference mode and like like one of [TS]

00:46:20   the reasons is there's a bunch of people [TS]

00:46:22   like Twitter is a conferencing [TS]

00:46:25   networking kind of tool and so when I'm [TS]

00:46:28   at a conference I'm aware like oh [TS]

00:46:29   there's many people I follow who don't [TS]

00:46:31   have my iMessage or phone details but [TS]

00:46:34   who might direct message me on Twitter [TS]

00:46:36   yeah I'll meet up with em and so just [TS]

00:46:38   it's a funny thing like a could because [TS]

00:46:40   I've the feeling that I had was when I'm [TS]

00:46:43   at conferences I have to have more [TS]

00:46:45   notifications on and my phone has to be [TS]

00:46:47   more opened up than it would normally be [TS]

00:46:49   and then adding on top of that doing [TS]

00:46:52   something like and now I'm constantly [TS]

00:46:53   thinking about what I'm gonna film for [TS]

00:46:55   the vlog it's like it's too much like I [TS]

00:46:56   just it makes like I don't like having [TS]

00:46:58   the phone even this open in the first [TS]

00:46:59   place and then adding one more thing on [TS]

00:47:01   top of that was just like oh I hate this [TS]

00:47:03   so that's but that's partly why like [TS]

00:47:06   when I was thinking about that Las Vegas [TS]

00:47:07   trip it was a thing that was kinda like [TS]

00:47:10   a test for myself is is there a way I [TS]

00:47:12   can do this where I feel like there I'm [TS]

00:47:15   never having a moment [TS]

00:47:16   like it doesn't intrude in my mind and [TS]

00:47:19   it doesn't intrude on the people around [TS]

00:47:21   me in any way that I'm doing a vlog and [TS]

00:47:25   so like that was kind of one of the [TS]

00:47:26   tests for me as I think I know a way I [TS]

00:47:28   can do this but I have to actually try [TS]

00:47:32   it to see if it works and obviously like [TS]

00:47:35   it did work I wouldn't I wouldn't have [TS]

00:47:36   done it or I would have stopped filming [TS]

00:47:38   if I felt like oh this is this is [TS]

00:47:39   impinging on my life so it was this is [TS]

00:47:43   what I mean like that vlog kind of just [TS]

00:47:45   ticks a bunch of boxes in my head that I [TS]

00:47:48   feel like I had an idea for how a format [TS]

00:47:52   could work for me and I had an idea [TS]

00:47:54   about how to like film appropriately [TS]

00:47:59   without getting in the way of my own [TS]

00:48:01   life yeah and yeah the other thing is [TS]

00:48:05   like why have I been messing around with [TS]

00:48:07   vlogs in the background is if people go [TS]

00:48:09   back and listen to a bunch of maybe like [TS]

00:48:13   the last five or so episodes of cortex [TS]

00:48:15   there are times in there where we're [TS]

00:48:17   having conversations about like oh you [TS]

00:48:19   need to have other creative outlets like [TS]

00:48:21   when you're talking about your vlog as [TS]

00:48:23   like an additional creative outlet [TS]

00:48:25   and I think if someone goes back and [TS]

00:48:27   listen to those conversations I think [TS]

00:48:29   it'll be much more obvious now that's [TS]

00:48:31   like oh I was clearly coming close to [TS]

00:48:33   the end of finishing this vlog that went [TS]

00:48:35   up because that that's another benefit [TS]

00:48:38   of it is it is useful to make different [TS]

00:48:45   things on occasion like if you work in a [TS]

00:48:48   creative field this is a this is a [TS]

00:48:51   beneficial thing intrinsically right [TS]

00:48:55   even even if it's not going to [TS]

00:48:56   necessarily be like a like an incredibly [TS]

00:48:58   popular or profitable thing doing [TS]

00:49:01   something different creatively can be [TS]

00:49:06   beneficial in all other kinds of ways so [TS]

00:49:08   that's why I feel like it ticked all of [TS]

00:49:10   these boxes for me in it so it so to me [TS]

00:49:12   it makes perfect sense to make this vlog [TS]

00:49:13   can we take a quick sidebar on that sure [TS]

00:49:16   so I've been feeling this again I'm in [TS]

00:49:19   that mode right now and I thought that [TS]

00:49:23   making youtube videos would fill the [TS]

00:49:26   creative gap in my life that I was [TS]

00:49:29   looking to fill it has to a point and I [TS]

00:49:33   feel like I'm I know where I'm going [TS]

00:49:35   with the YouTube videos now like I'm [TS]

00:49:38   trying to make like one a month and it's [TS]

00:49:40   about something that I really want to [TS]

00:49:42   make a video about so I'm not like [TS]

00:49:44   forcing the topic so which keeps it good [TS]

00:49:48   for me because they because I make a [TS]

00:49:49   video when I have something I want to do [TS]

00:49:51   and if I don't have something in a month [TS]

00:49:53   I'm not beating myself up about the fact [TS]

00:49:55   I haven't done one yet that is super [TS]

00:49:56   smart that is a super smart way to think [TS]

00:49:58   about it it is purely just an outlet a [TS]

00:50:02   different thing trying to learn some new [TS]

00:50:04   skills that's why I'm doing this [TS]

00:50:05   but it hasn't filled the creative hole [TS]

00:50:09   that I felt hmm and I think I've gotten [TS]

00:50:13   closer to working out what it might be [TS]

00:50:15   but I don't know how to get there and [TS]

00:50:17   basically I think I want to do something [TS]

00:50:22   that isn't based in reality okay [TS]

00:50:26   everything that I do is focused on real [TS]

00:50:30   things right and I think I want to do [TS]

00:50:33   something that is fiction based who [TS]

00:50:36   that's the move that I'm going towards [TS]

00:50:38   so that's very interesting that's very [TS]

00:50:41   interesting I don't really have any idea [TS]

00:50:43   yet but just looking at my own tastes [TS]

00:50:47   for things that I'm enjoying I feel like [TS]

00:50:50   you know and just thinking about me as a [TS]

00:50:52   person right like I was one of these [TS]

00:50:54   kids that used to write stories and like [TS]

00:50:56   did when I was a teenager right like you [TS]

00:50:58   know I I have many beginnings of novels [TS]

00:51:02   right like you know I'm up with one of [TS]

00:51:04   those sorts of kids right that I would [TS]

00:51:06   write stories and I think that that is [TS]

00:51:09   where I'm leaning right now but like I [TS]

00:51:11   don't have I don't really have anything [TS]

00:51:14   for it's like I just wanted to mention [TS]

00:51:15   it because it is a thing that I'm [TS]

00:51:16   feeling right now and I think and I hope [TS]

00:51:18   could become law or running trend for a [TS]

00:51:24   bit of me trying to work out what that [TS]

00:51:26   might be but like that is where I've [TS]

00:51:28   gotten to with my kind of like I feel [TS]

00:51:30   like I have to do something new and [TS]

00:51:33   different and and that's where I'm [TS]

00:51:34   leaning towards right now that's very [TS]

00:51:36   interesting [TS]

00:51:37   not that I ever expect to fill that by [TS]

00:51:39   the way yeah no I don't I'm not like oh [TS]

00:51:41   this is the announcement that in two [TS]

00:51:43   years like the book is going to be out [TS]

00:51:45   right like we're not that's not the [TS]

00:51:46   expectation well and though I mean just [TS]

00:51:48   it like if I do something that I think [TS]

00:51:50   that it will be the magic bullet and I [TS]

00:51:52   want through and I will feel creatively [TS]

00:51:54   satisfied right right just retire yeah [TS]

00:51:58   exactly you'll be sitting upon a lotus [TS]

00:52:00   throne and like oh yes I am now I've [TS]

00:52:01   reached enlightenment yeah no I don't [TS]

00:52:03   think that's the expectation like with [TS]

00:52:05   all these things I think it's good to be [TS]

00:52:06   aware of that and to just have it in the [TS]

00:52:08   back of your mind and you can just turn [TS]

00:52:10   on it for a while like it's it's it's [TS]

00:52:13   the exact same thing with me for this [TS]

00:52:14   vlog it's like I'm aware that there's a [TS]

00:52:15   thing here it's a background process [TS]

00:52:17   yeah and it's like I'm just gonna turn [TS]

00:52:19   on this and maybe it's going to take [TS]

00:52:22   five years before something pops out but [TS]

00:52:24   it's like this is just running in the [TS]

00:52:26   background as a thing and it and I think [TS]

00:52:29   in your position it's also it's very [TS]

00:52:32   helpful to be aware of the specific [TS]

00:52:36   nature right to be aware like oh the [TS]

00:52:38   vlog is not exactly hitting what you [TS]

00:52:41   want on this and there's something else [TS]

00:52:43   and you're able to put words to [TS]

00:52:44   precisely what it is like that's very [TS]

00:52:46   helpful I have an Apple note where I add [TS]

00:52:48   random things to every now and then [TS]

00:52:51   right leg notes that's kind of where [TS]

00:52:53   that project is in its life and it's [TS]

00:52:56   very like it is as likely right now that [TS]

00:52:58   nothing will ever come of it but it's [TS]

00:53:00   where I am kind of pushing towards yeah [TS]

00:53:03   and that like for anybody who has [TS]

00:53:06   creative projects on the back of their [TS]

00:53:08   minds like the thing that you've just [TS]

00:53:09   mentioned there that process of [TS]

00:53:13   collecting I think is super important [TS]

00:53:16   even if you don't specifically do [TS]

00:53:19   anything with the items that you have [TS]

00:53:20   collected but this is this is where I [TS]

00:53:24   feel like in many ways I'm almost a kind [TS]

00:53:26   of digital hoarder because it like a for [TS]

00:53:29   any of these like background processes [TS]

00:53:31   like I'm very aggressive about [TS]

00:53:33   collecting thoughts and notes and links [TS]

00:53:36   and second sections of other things like [TS]

00:53:38   anything at all and just putting it in a [TS]

00:53:41   bin that is the bin related to whatever [TS]

00:53:43   this project might be and I think that's [TS]

00:53:46   that's a great way to make it more [TS]

00:53:49   active in your mind as opposed to like [TS]

00:53:52   oh someday I'll write a screenplay [TS]

00:53:54   because I well actually just have just [TS]

00:53:57   have a note called screenplay and just [TS]

00:53:58   put whatever in there like put put lines [TS]

00:54:00   from a movie that you like or just [TS]

00:54:01   random thoughts that you have [TS]

00:54:03   I think the like the act of collection [TS]

00:54:06   is disproportionately valuable to the [TS]

00:54:10   value of the collection itself this [TS]

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00:56:12   at hand oh right yes if we can put on [TS]

00:56:14   our business hats for a moment business [TS]

00:56:17   hats I think that CGP grey is in the [TS]

00:56:20   viral-video business [TS]

00:56:22   oh is it this conversation again yeah [TS]

00:56:24   you are in the business of making videos [TS]

00:56:27   that go viral like that is whether you [TS]

00:56:30   intend to do that or not like that's the [TS]

00:56:32   business you're in now a vlog of you [TS]

00:56:37   going to Las Vegas is unlikely to go [TS]

00:56:39   viral and if we're looking at the view [TS]

00:56:41   counts didn't so from a business [TS]

00:56:44   perspective did you achieve the goals [TS]

00:56:47   that you intended when you made this [TS]

00:56:49   video right like it is not a 1.7 million [TS]

00:56:53   views video right like it is a extremely [TS]

00:56:56   respectable number a number I would be [TS]

00:56:58   very happy to achieve but like in the [TS]

00:57:01   trend of your videos it's not so much [TS]

00:57:05   and I wonder kind of from a business [TS]

00:57:07   perspective how you feel about the [TS]

00:57:08   performance of the log [TS]

00:57:11   well from a business perspective this is [TS]

00:57:15   maybe one of the worst business [TS]

00:57:17   decisions I've made in my entire career [TS]

00:57:19   this was kind of what I was angling [TS]

00:57:21   towards without saying right but yeah [TS]

00:57:24   time and money investment for this one [TS]

00:57:26   must be a show right yeah III I really [TS]

00:57:30   think this might be literally the worst [TS]

00:57:33   thing I've ever done in terms of a pure [TS]

00:57:36   ROI calculation but as we have [TS]

00:57:38   established many times yeah I think [TS]

00:57:40   people have an expectation of you which [TS]

00:57:42   is different it's not all about the ROI [TS]

00:57:44   right yeah it isn't but this one is [TS]

00:57:47   especially bad it's especially bad I [TS]

00:57:51   mean I mean for God's like if you want [TS]

00:57:53   to consider all of the aborted attempts [TS]

00:57:55   before this one came up like let's not [TS]

00:57:56   even think about how many hours this [TS]

00:57:58   creeper since yeah yeah equipment like [TS]

00:58:01   all of that kind of stuff and then it's [TS]

00:58:04   like I didn't put this video up on [TS]

00:58:06   patreon it didn't have an embedded [TS]

00:58:09   sponsor at the end so it's just like [TS]

00:58:11   this is this has got to be by far and [TS]

00:58:13   away the worst the worst thing in terms [TS]

00:58:15   of return on investment at all however I [TS]

00:58:18   feel super happy about bloating this is [TS]

00:58:21   this video I was a little uncertain [TS]

00:58:23   about how it was going to be received [TS]

00:58:25   like it and I did a very different thing [TS]

00:58:28   uploading this video that I normally do [TS]

00:58:30   when I upload videos which is that I [TS]

00:58:33   actually as part of the big long travel [TS]

00:58:36   that I was doing of this summer when I [TS]

00:58:39   arrived in America I was actually [TS]

00:58:40   visiting my parents first so I flew into [TS]

00:58:43   North Carolina and I had actually [TS]

00:58:47   exported the final version of the vlog [TS]

00:58:49   on the plane on the flight over which [TS]

00:58:53   really kills your battery but so I get [TS]

00:58:55   to my parents house I connected their [TS]

00:58:57   Wi-Fi and I uploaded the final version [TS]

00:59:01   of that vlog and then I just pressed [TS]

00:59:03   publish so I told my parents like oh I [TS]

00:59:05   have something I just need to do for a [TS]

00:59:07   few minutes cuz if I uploaded it hit [TS]

00:59:09   publish and I thought great because when [TS]

00:59:12   I'm locked into now is I've just arrived [TS]

00:59:15   to visit family it would be the rudest [TS]

00:59:19   thing in the world to be on my computer [TS]

00:59:20   constantly checking and seeing what's [TS]

00:59:22   happening [TS]

00:59:22   so it was locking myself in [TS]

00:59:25   to not having any ability to look at the [TS]

00:59:28   reactions or see how it was going for [TS]

00:59:30   essentially the rest of the evening [TS]

00:59:32   because I haven't seen my parents for [TS]

00:59:33   quite a while [TS]

00:59:34   what an interesting form of online based [TS]

00:59:36   torture that you perform telling [TS]

00:59:38   yourself I did it for the exact reverse [TS]

00:59:41   reason because it's it's such a lock in [TS]

00:59:46   that it simply removes the option to [TS]

00:59:48   even think about a thing [TS]

00:59:49   so I genuinely didn't even think about [TS]

00:59:52   or worry about it because it's just like [TS]

00:59:54   this is not this is not going to happen [TS]

00:59:56   like you're not going to see your [TS]

00:59:59   parents for the [TS]

00:59:59   parents for the [TS]

01:00:00   first time in many months and be sitting [TS]

01:00:01   in front of them hitting command or [TS]

01:00:03   command R on a webpage to see how the [TS]

01:00:05   stats are doing I just it's just out of [TS]

01:00:08   the question so I think I didn't [TS]

01:00:10   actually look to see how anything was [TS]

01:00:13   doing until at least six hours later [TS]

01:00:16   when my parents had gone to bed so it's [TS]

01:00:22   very different because I think was he [TS]

01:00:24   discussed on one of the much earlier [TS]

01:00:26   podcast like I often like to have a [TS]

01:00:27   little command center to see how things [TS]

01:00:29   are going when the videos go up because [TS]

01:00:31   they're infrequent enough that each one [TS]

01:00:33   is disproportionately important but my [TS]

01:00:37   like my feeling was I was super happy [TS]

01:00:40   with the results like I had mentally [TS]

01:00:42   calculated I thought if I get 250,000 [TS]

01:00:47   views on this thing and I all I wanted [TS]

01:00:52   was a 75% like to dislike ratio on the [TS]

01:00:58   actual video itself [TS]

01:00:59   I thought that'll be a huge win that way [TS]

01:01:01   that was kind of my mental oh you did [TS]

01:01:05   way later than that yeah oh yeah but [TS]

01:01:07   that's what I mean like as far as I'm [TS]

01:01:08   concerned I was this was like incredibly [TS]

01:01:11   successful in some ways this may be the [TS]

01:01:13   most successful video I've ever had in [TS]

01:01:15   relation to my feeling about uploading [TS]

01:01:18   it right I see because it's like when [TS]

01:01:21   you upload a thing that's different I'm [TS]

01:01:22   aware that you know what people don't [TS]

01:01:24   like Mike change change change any kind [TS]

01:01:28   of change right change for the better no [TS]

01:01:30   good alright they don't like it and so I [TS]

01:01:33   thought like I could be looking at a [TS]

01:01:34   video where people are just reflexively [TS]

01:01:36   hitting the downvote button immediately [TS]

01:01:37   like I could be having a video where [TS]

01:01:39   it's 50% dislikes you know and then and [TS]

01:01:42   then that becomes a thing that kind of [TS]

01:01:43   feeds itself so I expected a bunch of [TS]

01:01:48   people to not like it because it was [TS]

01:01:49   change and it was different and I also [TS]

01:01:52   was anticipating I mean one never knows [TS]

01:01:54   the mind of the algorithm but I was [TS]

01:01:57   walking into this assuming that since [TS]

01:02:01   this video was probably going to have a [TS]

01:02:03   bunch of people hitting it realizing [TS]

01:02:06   it's something it's different and [TS]

01:02:07   turning it off immediately that this [TS]

01:02:10   might get recommended to very very few [TS]

01:02:12   of my [TS]

01:02:13   subscribers that the algorithm would [TS]

01:02:15   clock this right away as a video that [TS]

01:02:17   just doesn't do well because everybody [TS]

01:02:18   closes it at a super small proportion at [TS]

01:02:20   the time so that's why like I was really [TS]

01:02:23   expecting much lower and worse numbers [TS]

01:02:26   than I got so that's why I feel I feel [TS]

01:02:28   thrilled and then and on top of that [TS]

01:02:30   that overall the the commentary was [TS]

01:02:34   ridiculously positive I think that's [TS]

01:02:37   partly a side effect of the algorithm [TS]

01:02:40   probably not recommending it to the less [TS]

01:02:43   intense members of the audience yeah [TS]

01:02:45   like that's my guess is that there's [TS]

01:02:47   sort of a self selection bias there but [TS]

01:02:49   I but I feel like great I got perfectly [TS]

01:02:52   happy with that [TS]

01:02:53   that the people who wouldn't have liked [TS]

01:02:54   it didn't get recommended it and the [TS]

01:02:55   people who did like it did yes yeah [TS]

01:02:58   exactly like to thumbs-up algorithmics [TS]

01:03:00   algorithm yeah that's exactly what [TS]

01:03:02   you're supposed to do [TS]

01:03:03   I feel ridiculously happy with the way [TS]

01:03:06   that it went like it it was succeeded [TS]

01:03:08   beyond my wildest expectations [TS]

01:03:11   even though it was by far and away my [TS]

01:03:13   worst business decision ever so you're [TS]

01:03:16   gonna do it you're gonna do any more of [TS]

01:03:17   these like you know without committing [TS]

01:03:19   yourself like did you be great the [TS]

01:03:21   vlogger is the thing that could continue [TS]

01:03:23   like you feel from this project but like [TS]

01:03:25   okay I could potentially do more of [TS]

01:03:27   these if I wanted to yeah guys the least [TS]

01:03:32   committal way to trim put that I feel [TS]

01:03:35   like if the star is a line in the right [TS]

01:03:37   way that this that this makes sense to [TS]

01:03:41   do again but there I feel like there are [TS]

01:03:44   a lot of stars that have to align in [TS]

01:03:46   order for this to work out so it's not [TS]

01:03:48   like oh yeah vlogs are definitely a [TS]

01:03:50   thing that I'm going to be actively [TS]

01:03:52   pursuing there's not there's nothing [TS]

01:03:54   active about this in the same way that [TS]

01:03:56   over the past many years there was [TS]

01:03:58   nothing really active about it but there [TS]

01:04:00   are projects you know that you've begun [TS]

01:04:02   that you did a thing for and then you [TS]

01:04:05   killed them and then it dead right like [TS]

01:04:06   yeah but this isn't one of those it's [TS]

01:04:09   not dead yeah it's not it's not a dead [TS]

01:04:11   thing but like for example at when I did [TS]

01:04:13   the Amsterdam rule conference a while [TS]

01:04:17   back where is it going back back to back [TS]

01:04:19   to VidCon and Ireland like I was I sort [TS]

01:04:23   of started to film a bunch of stuff [TS]

01:04:25   there I thought like oh this might be [TS]

01:04:26   interesting and then like [TS]

01:04:27   very quickly while I was doing I was [TS]

01:04:29   like oh this is actually not interesting [TS]

01:04:30   at all like it's super boring and so it [TS]

01:04:32   just stopped but that was the thing that [TS]

01:04:33   I was filming after I was very confident [TS]

01:04:37   that the las vegas vlog was going to [TS]

01:04:39   become a thing I just needed to continue [TS]

01:04:41   chipping away at it and and editing it [TS]

01:04:44   so I've already done some small attempts [TS]

01:04:47   at trying to film a thing but yeah I [TS]

01:04:51   just think it has to feel like it's a [TS]

01:04:53   thing that I can film without [TS]

01:04:54   interfering in my life yeah and that has [TS]

01:05:00   to have some level of interestingness I [TS]

01:05:03   also need to I think set expectations [TS]

01:05:05   that that las vegas vlog will almost [TS]

01:05:07   certainly be if i ever do another vlog [TS]

01:05:09   the most interesting vlog by a factor of [TS]

01:05:13   five i just just to be real clear just [TS]

01:05:16   said like to set the expectations for [TS]

01:05:18   people like if another vlog comes out [TS]

01:05:20   you should expect it to be way more [TS]

01:05:22   boring like a regular vlog that like [TS]

01:05:24   that that's one of the reasons why I [TS]

01:05:25   like this worked out as a as one in [TS]

01:05:27   particular it's like oh it's so clear [TS]

01:05:28   that this might be a thing that people [TS]

01:05:30   are interested in so a future vlogs way [TS]

01:05:33   more boring that should be the [TS]

01:05:34   expectations but yeah so I guess that's [TS]

01:05:36   me saying I don't rule it out but it's [TS]

01:05:39   not something I'm actively pursuing and [TS]

01:05:41   and because it is such a terrible return [TS]

01:05:44   on investment of my time it's also not [TS]

01:05:46   something that could ever that could [TS]

01:05:49   ever be any significant amount of the [TS]

01:05:51   way that I spend my time like I would I [TS]

01:05:54   would literally rapidly go out of [TS]

01:05:56   business [TS]

01:05:56   if I spent a whole bunch of time on [TS]

01:05:58   vlogs like not as an exaggeration like [TS]

01:06:00   like Greg industries would have to shut [TS]

01:06:01   its door if I'm like I'm a vlogger now [TS]

01:06:03   so there are many constraints but you [TS]

01:06:07   know possibilities in the future I guess [TS]

01:06:09   I look forward to a future collab great [TS]

01:06:12   it's gonna be great to hear mm-hmm you [TS]

01:06:16   can you can keep that in your mind you [TS]

01:06:18   can hold on to that as a thing you can [TS]

01:06:20   you can look forward to possibly forever [TS]

01:06:23   well you know fun fact we already have [TS]

01:06:26   so you know what you you provided a [TS]

01:06:29   piece of footage for my WB deceive look [TS]

01:06:32   oh yes that's right right I forgot about [TS]

01:06:37   that there's a little secret in there [TS]

01:06:40   which I didn't callout I wonder if [TS]

01:06:43   people can work out what-what piece of [TS]

01:06:45   footage huge you shot in my vlog there [TS]

01:06:47   is a piece of footage these two pieces [TS]

01:06:50   of footage in your vlog that I shot - [TS]

01:06:51   yeah there's - oh I thought there was [TS]

01:06:54   only one so there you go now I need to [TS]

01:06:56   work out well the second one was in the [TS]

01:06:57   writer I want to know people could try [TS]

01:06:59   and guess what parts of my the Adobe DC [TS]

01:07:01   vlog did grace you I don't think that [TS]

01:07:05   counts as a collab that was just I was [TS]

01:07:07   being a voluntary cameraman for you [TS]

01:07:10   there I consider a collab okay you can [TS]

01:07:13   do that so we both been using iOS 11 for [TS]

01:07:17   a couple of weeks now on I'm assuming [TS]

01:07:20   our brand new iPads did you buy both [TS]

01:07:22   iPads did you buy one iPad well iPad did [TS]

01:07:25   you buy I am currently running the iOS [TS]

01:07:29   11 beta on my 10.5 inch iPad that I [TS]

01:07:33   picked up while I was in America mm-hmm [TS]

01:07:35   I did not pick up a 12.9 yet because I [TS]

01:07:41   didn't feel like traveling in America [TS]

01:07:42   with my macbook pro twelve point five [TS]

01:07:46   inch - twelve point nine badge that's [TS]

01:07:49   what I thought about it don't get me [TS]

01:07:51   wrong like it crossed my mind and I was [TS]

01:07:54   like well I will save a lot of money if [TS]

01:07:56   I buy it in America but ultimately [TS]

01:07:59   travel packing convenience trumps [TS]

01:08:01   everything so I have not used I Oh s 11 [TS]

01:08:05   on the big iPad I've been using it [TS]

01:08:07   exclusively on the 10 point five inch [TS]

01:08:10   and I have been using the 10 5 as my [TS]

01:08:13   exclusive iPad while traveling for I [TS]

01:08:17   think it's close to five weeks or no [TS]

01:08:19   close to four weeks that's what it is [TS]

01:08:21   yeah so I've been using it for quite a [TS]

01:08:22   while that's that's my situation here [TS]

01:08:25   that's a it's a pretty great iPad right [TS]

01:08:27   at 10.5 [TS]

01:08:29   it is pretty good it's close to perfect [TS]

01:08:33   it's close didn't make it but it's close [TS]

01:08:37   yeah that is that is if it how I feel I [TS]

01:08:39   really like it [TS]

01:08:40   it's a great machine but it does just [TS]

01:08:43   fall short of the mark in a variety of [TS]

01:08:46   ways for me to possibly replace the 12:9 [TS]

01:08:49   but it is a machine that I could [TS]

01:08:51   recommend to anybody like I think I [TS]

01:08:55   think it's just like if I didn't know [TS]

01:08:56   anything about someone that I need to [TS]

01:08:58   buy an iPad which iPad should I buy the [TS]

01:08:59   answer is ten point five inch iPad pro [TS]

01:09:01   yeah there's no zero question it's so [TS]

01:09:05   much better than one inch bigger right [TS]

01:09:07   like dent than the one attempt that came [TS]

01:09:08   before it like that extra inch goes a [TS]

01:09:10   long way like this the screen feels [TS]

01:09:13   fantastic you know how much of the [TS]

01:09:15   screen ratio there is to the bodies is [TS]

01:09:16   brilliant [TS]

01:09:17   that's just like you know if you're [TS]

01:09:18   coming from the 12.9 it's hard to lose [TS]

01:09:21   the the resolution right like it's hard [TS]

01:09:24   to lose the two full sized apps next to [TS]

01:09:26   each other that you get from the big one [TS]

01:09:28   but if you're coming from anything else [TS]

01:09:30   like you would have to make a real [TS]

01:09:32   strong case to me for me to recommend [TS]

01:09:34   12.9 to you instead at a 10.5 yeah you [TS]

01:09:37   need a good reason to use that one it's [TS]

01:09:39   wonderful yeah the thing the thing that [TS]

01:09:41   I missed the most is the larger screen [TS]

01:09:42   simply for the kind of thing that I [TS]

01:09:45   mentioned before like when I'm thinking [TS]

01:09:46   about stuff I like to have a like a big [TS]

01:09:48   piece of virtual paper in front of me to [TS]

01:09:50   draw on and make notes and think about [TS]

01:09:52   stuff and I was aware this summer there [TS]

01:09:54   a bunch of times where I was like oh I'm [TS]

01:09:55   gonna thinking kind of moves let me sit [TS]

01:09:56   down and the twelve the ten five I just [TS]

01:09:59   felt like I feel a little cramped on [TS]

01:10:01   this screen so I'll be very happy to get [TS]

01:10:04   the full-sized one but the ten five is a [TS]

01:10:08   great machine and if I have to do [TS]

01:10:12   traveling in the future where I need to [TS]

01:10:14   bring my MacBook Pro I will always bring [TS]

01:10:17   then the ten five as the companion iPad [TS]

01:10:20   with it and if I'm ever able to travel [TS]

01:10:22   without the MacBook Pro then it'll just [TS]

01:10:24   be the twelve nine only like that that's [TS]

01:10:27   what I can see is the current travel [TS]

01:10:29   configuration going get word yeah cuz [TS]

01:10:31   because I will be taking my my MacBook [TS]

01:10:33   with me to on my trip in August I'm [TS]

01:10:36   gonna be ten point five as my usual work [TS]

01:10:38   machine yeah there's a really great [TS]

01:10:41   pairing I really like it fantast [TS]

01:10:43   beautiful thing let me tell you though [TS]

01:10:44   that 12.9 the screen they all cry it's [TS]

01:10:51   real good man with the true tone the [TS]

01:10:54   true tone on this screen that sighs [TS]

01:10:57   everything is so wonderful and just the [TS]

01:11:01   you know the 120 Hertz stuff the [TS]

01:11:04   promotion on that big screen oh boy it's [TS]

01:11:07   it's wonderful it is absolutely [TS]

01:11:10   fantastic upgrade if you're coming from [TS]

01:11:12   the 12:9 like it is a really fantastic [TS]

01:11:15   computer I look forward to it although [TS]

01:11:17   you forget that I am the only person in [TS]

01:11:19   the world who despises true tone it [TS]

01:11:24   gives me it gives me a headache and I [TS]

01:11:26   hate it I don't understand how that's [TS]

01:11:29   possible but you know I also know people [TS]

01:11:31   that the 120 Hertz makes them feel [TS]

01:11:33   nauseous so you know the people's brains [TS]

01:11:34   and eyes are wired in completely [TS]

01:11:36   different ways yeah yeah I was I was [TS]

01:11:38   very worried about that [TS]

01:11:39   I was super concerned and one of the [TS]

01:11:42   first things I did actually when I got [TS]

01:11:43   the new iPad was I tested out that [TS]

01:11:45   accessibility setting where it can turn [TS]

01:11:47   it where it can crank it back down to 60 [TS]

01:11:49   frames a second I turned that on and I [TS]

01:11:51   immediately opened up good notes because [TS]

01:11:53   I wanted to see does that affect the pen [TS]

01:11:55   latency and I was like okay great it [TS]

01:11:58   doesn't affect the pen latency at all if [TS]

01:12:00   you turn on that accessibility setting [TS]

01:12:01   so I felt like I have a safe fallback in [TS]

01:12:03   case the 120 Hertz does bother me but I [TS]

01:12:06   feel it still looks a little weird like [TS]

01:12:08   I'm still taking a little bit of getting [TS]

01:12:10   used to it but I'm not I'm not in the [TS]

01:12:12   place where that bothers me [TS]

01:12:15   but true tone does give me a headache [TS]

01:12:16   because I know my brain is trying to [TS]

01:12:18   color correct back the way computer [TS]

01:12:20   screens look from a lifetime of looking [TS]

01:12:22   at computer screens yeah yeah and it [TS]

01:12:24   just it makes me exhausted to look at [TS]

01:12:26   the color corrected screen it really [TS]

01:12:27   does so I have to turn that off [TS]

01:12:29   that is interesting because it's one of [TS]

01:12:31   the things that I love the most like the [TS]

01:12:32   way it makes the callers look oh I know [TS]

01:12:34   I like everybody everybody loves it [TS]

01:12:37   everybody I've set up with iPads it's [TS]

01:12:39   like I turn that on for them and it's [TS]

01:12:40   like you'll like this thing you won't [TS]

01:12:42   even notice [TS]

01:12:42   so yeah everybody loves it I'm the only [TS]

01:12:45   person I've ever come across who just [TS]

01:12:47   cannot have it on so thank you Apple for [TS]

01:12:49   having an option to turn it off I really [TS]

01:12:51   appreciate that yeah it also has just [TS]

01:12:53   other benefits you know it has wider [TS]

01:12:55   color and stuff like [TS]

01:12:55   that's the screen really is just [TS]

01:12:57   wonderful it is wonderful this episode [TS]

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01:14:47   website but this isn't the only thing [TS]

01:14:49   right I think iOS 11 is the the bigger [TS]

01:14:51   of the two shoes to drop mmm it's very [TS]

01:14:55   very different [TS]

01:14:56   I mean we've both been using it for [TS]

01:14:57   quite a few weeks now I I have it on [TS]

01:14:59   both of my iPads now because once I [TS]

01:15:02   moved to eleven on one I had to move to [TS]

01:15:04   11 on the [TS]

01:15:05   okay III couldn't completely focus on [TS]

01:15:08   the way that things have changed if I [TS]

01:15:09   was fifty percent of the time using [TS]

01:15:11   something that wasn't that changed you [TS]

01:15:13   know like it was it was breaking me a [TS]

01:15:15   bit there is what I think of as beta [TS]

01:15:18   creep that if you put the beta on one [TS]

01:15:20   device it slowly creeps to the other [TS]

01:15:23   devices but but this one has the [TS]

01:15:25   strongest beta creep if you are living [TS]

01:15:28   the multi pad lifestyle that if you put [TS]

01:15:30   if you're gonna put on one iPad don't [TS]

01:15:32   kid yourself it has to go on all of them [TS]

01:15:34   like there's no there's no vertical [TS]

01:15:36   memory is just too different it's so [TS]

01:15:40   different you cannot possibly be running [TS]

01:15:42   two iPads one with iOS ten and one with [TS]

01:15:45   iOS 11 like it will destroy your brain [TS]

01:15:46   so yeah you have to put it on you have [TS]

01:15:49   to put on everything if you're gonna if [TS]

01:15:50   you're gonna play the dangerous beta [TS]

01:15:51   game what is your overall thought about [TS]

01:15:56   iOS 11 on the iPad I mean we can get [TS]

01:15:58   into some specifics if you want to but [TS]

01:16:01   overall how do you feel about this [TS]

01:16:04   version of the operating system on the [TS]

01:16:06   device that you use are you happy for [TS]

01:16:08   the change are you unhappy like what is [TS]

01:16:10   your overall feeling I mean yeah overall [TS]

01:16:12   I'd have to give it a thumbs-up I know [TS]

01:16:14   like I'm I feel pretty good about it [TS]

01:16:17   there are things obviously that I would [TS]

01:16:20   like to change there's something that I [TS]

01:16:21   particularly I've got a I've got a sales [TS]

01:16:23   pitch [TS]

01:16:24   for Apple later on something I think [TS]

01:16:25   they should add good always goes well [TS]

01:16:27   yeah just right on that yeah I got [TS]

01:16:36   negative break the streak but no overall [TS]

01:16:37   I have to give it a have to give it a [TS]

01:16:39   thumbs up there's a there's a lot to [TS]

01:16:41   like about it there's a lot of [TS]

01:16:44   additional power that's coming with it [TS]

01:16:46   there's a lot of nice features there's a [TS]

01:16:48   lot of stuff we haven't even got yet [TS]

01:16:50   right like that's one thing to really [TS]

01:16:52   consider you know a full power of [TS]

01:16:54   drag-and-drop and the files app we won't [TS]

01:16:56   realize until until September [TS]

01:16:58   yeah so I've got to say that my overall [TS]

01:17:01   impression is is a thumbs up and I [TS]

01:17:03   presume that you feel the same way oh [TS]

01:17:06   I'm incredibly enthused about this this [TS]

01:17:10   really is the version of iOS that I have [TS]

01:17:12   wanted for my iPad for nearly three [TS]

01:17:15   years like this is exactly what I want [TS]

01:17:18   it is it has its foibles it's not [TS]

01:17:21   perfect but I wasn't expecting that [TS]

01:17:23   personally you know the biggest [TS]

01:17:26   criticism is that it is more complicated [TS]

01:17:28   but I don't really understand why that [TS]

01:17:31   should be a problem for professional [TS]

01:17:33   users because that's who this is aim for [TS]

01:17:35   professional operating systems are [TS]

01:17:37   complicated and all we need to do in my [TS]

01:17:40   opinion is just learn the way to use it [TS]

01:17:42   in the same way that we learned the to [TS]

01:17:45   use the weird app picker yeah well [TS]

01:17:47   there's and also I'll for something else [TS]

01:17:50   in there because I think I mentioned a [TS]

01:17:52   couple of shows ago that I moved my my [TS]

01:17:54   very non-technical aunt over to an iPad [TS]

01:17:57   Pro Cup when it first came out and she [TS]

01:18:00   was thrilled with that device and I was [TS]

01:18:03   thinking about her as I was using the [TS]

01:18:05   beta just thinking like oh here we go [TS]

01:18:07   here it's gonna be a software update and [TS]

01:18:09   I actually think they've done a really [TS]

01:18:10   good job with while they have added a [TS]

01:18:14   ton of stuff I just kept thinking from [TS]

01:18:18   my aunt's perspective actually very [TS]

01:18:20   little will change you wouldn't even [TS]

01:18:22   know yeah like she'll never know that a [TS]

01:18:24   whole bunch of this stuff is here and [TS]

01:18:26   importantly the thing that she does [TS]

01:18:28   which is double tap the home button to [TS]

01:18:30   change apps I the only thing that's [TS]

01:18:33   happened there is she'll just be able to [TS]

01:18:34   see more apps on the screen at once [TS]

01:18:36   because it's just in a grid now instead [TS]

01:18:39   of in a big sheet with more visual [TS]

01:18:41   information to what you're actually [TS]

01:18:42   gonna be picking so I have to I have to [TS]

01:18:45   give them I have to give Apple credit [TS]

01:18:48   because I do think the iPad is a product [TS]

01:18:50   where they they have this problem where [TS]

01:18:51   there are there are going to be a [TS]

01:18:54   disproportionate number of very non tech [TS]

01:18:56   savvy users and also just like users who [TS]

01:19:00   are young children like you know parents [TS]

01:19:02   giving their kids an iPad and while they [TS]

01:19:06   have added a whole bunch of stuff for [TS]

01:19:08   the more professional end of the [TS]

01:19:10   spectrum they have they have [TS]

01:19:12   successfully in my view rate retained a [TS]

01:19:15   lot of the simplicity of when you just [TS]

01:19:17   press the home button twice like you've [TS]

01:19:19   always done it's still the same it just [TS]

01:19:21   looks a little bit different but you you [TS]

01:19:23   know you might not even notice so I have [TS]

01:19:25   to give them real credit for that [TS]

01:19:27   because I think it's it is more complex [TS]

01:19:30   but [TS]

01:19:31   for the vast majority of users it won't [TS]

01:19:33   matter and it won't affect them in any [TS]

01:19:34   way so how do you feel then like in [TS]

01:19:37   using this from a more kind of like [TS]

01:19:39   going through all the different changes [TS]

01:19:41   you know how do you feel about the dock [TS]

01:19:44   and multitasking and all of the changes [TS]

01:19:47   that have come with it how do you feel [TS]

01:19:48   about kind of the real rethink I think [TS]

01:19:51   the Apple have gone through for how we [TS]

01:19:53   should be using our apps on our iPads so [TS]

01:20:00   again overall big thumbs up I like a lot [TS]

01:20:05   of the stuff that they have done I love [TS]

01:20:08   the ability to now have the smaller app [TS]

01:20:10   on the opposite side it's nice to be [TS]

01:20:13   able to have a way to sort of use three [TS]

01:20:16   apps at once where you can have two on [TS]

01:20:17   split screen and pull another one out [TS]

01:20:19   from a little drawer like that's that's [TS]

01:20:22   very nice [TS]

01:20:23   I think the dock is actually a really [TS]

01:20:26   great improvement I think it's super [TS]

01:20:29   intuitive and I think it's it's a great [TS]

01:20:31   move that they have made the same [TS]

01:20:33   gesture to pull up the dock also be a [TS]

01:20:36   gesture to get to control center and to [TS]

01:20:38   slide into the app switching view like I [TS]

01:20:41   think that's a very natural gesture that [TS]

01:20:44   has a lot of power so that I think all [TS]

01:20:46   of that stuff is great if we if we get [TS]

01:20:48   to the section of things that I'm [TS]

01:20:50   concerned about though I will say though [TS]

01:20:53   there's there's one main concern and one [TS]

01:20:57   main request is is how I'll phrase my [TS]

01:21:01   thoughts on on iOS 11 and my main [TS]

01:21:04   concern is how they have implemented the [TS]

01:21:09   idea that apps paired together I was [TS]

01:21:14   thinking about this earlier today and as [TS]

01:21:16   far as I know the first person I ever [TS]

01:21:17   heard mentioned this idea of pairing [TS]

01:21:19   apps together was Jason Snell probably [TS]

01:21:23   on upgrade talking to you I remember [TS]

01:21:25   hearing Jason a long time ago talk about [TS]

01:21:27   the idea of buddy apps that he wish he [TS]

01:21:31   wishes he could specify that two apps [TS]

01:21:35   should be buddies that this would be a [TS]

01:21:37   good way to handle some stuff on the [TS]

01:21:40   iPad [TS]

01:21:41   and I'm ever hearing him talk about that [TS]

01:21:42   felt like yeah yeah that's a great idea [TS]

01:21:44   but what I kind of feel has happened is [TS]

01:21:48   it's like Apple is a genie who heard [TS]

01:21:50   that wish and you know that the genies [TS]

01:21:54   they always grant your wish but in a way [TS]

01:21:56   that you wish they hadn't they granted [TS]

01:21:59   it credibly literally yeah and and so I [TS]

01:22:02   feel like the Apple genie granted the [TS]

01:22:04   wish and said all apps are buddies but [TS]

01:22:08   every app will have buddies all of them [TS]

01:22:12   and it's a bit like no I don't think [TS]

01:22:14   that's what Jason was asking for I don't [TS]

01:22:16   think that's what anybody was asking for [TS]

01:22:17   so there's this this really really [TS]

01:22:22   fundamental assumption in the like I [TS]

01:22:25   don't know you know what to call it but [TS]

01:22:26   in like the metaphor of how apps are [TS]

01:22:30   arranged or that like the metaphor of [TS]

01:22:32   how you're moving through this iOS space [TS]

01:22:34   and this really fundamental assumption [TS]

01:22:37   is that there are stable pairs of apps [TS]

01:22:43   that will just always go together and in [TS]

01:22:50   in my several weeks of using iOS I I [TS]

01:22:54   have just found that to be a totally [TS]

01:22:58   invalid assumption that in in my own [TS]

01:23:02   workflow in the way that I use apps [TS]

01:23:04   there aren't there's no pair that has [TS]

01:23:09   become a stable pair in this in this [TS]

01:23:13   arrangement it's like everything is [TS]

01:23:16   constructed on the fly as a pair or I [TS]

01:23:18   want to switch between a few different [TS]

01:23:19   things and so the this ground level [TS]

01:23:22   assumption that an app exists as a pair [TS]

01:23:27   with one and only one other app is [TS]

01:23:30   concerning to me because it just it [TS]

01:23:33   seems like it's such an like it just [TS]

01:23:35   built that way like oh of course this is [TS]

01:23:38   a stable arrangement for iPad users and [TS]

01:23:41   maybe I'm an outlier here but I just [TS]

01:23:44   don't find that to be the case and I'm [TS]

01:23:47   kind of I'm very curious to know in your [TS]

01:23:50   time using it have you found [TS]

01:23:54   there are stable app pairs that you just [TS]

01:23:58   leave alone that you don't break apart [TS]

01:24:00   and and you switch back to no but I [TS]

01:24:04   don't think of it the same way that you [TS]

01:24:05   are okay tell me how you're thinking [TS]

01:24:07   about it I consider it as a state saving [TS]

01:24:10   thing so and I also I don't believe that [TS]

01:24:15   even a poor considering this from [TS]

01:24:17   perspective of like you have these two [TS]

01:24:19   apps that will always remain locked [TS]

01:24:21   together I think it's just really you I [TS]

01:24:24   have been using these applications side [TS]

01:24:26   by side so when I switch out to [TS]

01:24:28   something else [TS]

01:24:29   and come back they should remain until I [TS]

01:24:31   break it well like that that's kind of [TS]

01:24:34   my mother way that I've been thinking [TS]

01:24:35   about this is like these applications [TS]

01:24:38   they are paired they are buddies until I [TS]

01:24:41   break the pairing and if I come back to [TS]

01:24:44   an application later on and it's in it's [TS]

01:24:45   pair it doesn't bother me I just close [TS]

01:24:47   the other application which is very [TS]

01:24:50   simple to do just by dragging a little [TS]

01:24:52   divider or I bring in a new app to pair [TS]

01:24:55   with that application you know I also [TS]

01:24:57   have wanted the past thing for a while [TS]

01:24:59   in the idea that like I could hit an [TS]

01:25:01   icon and it would launch two apps at the [TS]

01:25:03   same time right the pairing that we have [TS]

01:25:06   isn't that but I'm also perfectly fine [TS]

01:25:09   with it it's I've had to change some of [TS]

01:25:12   my workflows right like I got really [TS]

01:25:14   used to command tab switching out one [TS]

01:25:15   application which it doesn't do anymore [TS]

01:25:17   it kind of just switches the entire [TS]

01:25:19   thing it will move you to another space [TS]

01:25:21   or another pair or another full app [TS]

01:25:23   but I've just changed my workflow and [TS]

01:25:25   the fact that I can have three apps on [TS]

01:25:27   screen at the same time makes it work [TS]

01:25:29   perfectly fine in most instances so you [TS]

01:25:32   know it's like it's just different but [TS]

01:25:33   it's not different in a way that I've [TS]

01:25:34   not been able to become accustomed to [TS]

01:25:36   and the the pairing of applications is [TS]

01:25:39   fine for me like honestly I don't think [TS]

01:25:42   I want to be able to pair Google Docs [TS]

01:25:47   with six different other apps like I [TS]

01:25:49   want honestly just to have the [TS]

01:25:50   flexibility to move them around at my [TS]

01:25:52   will the idea of having these multiple [TS]

01:25:56   instances pairings I think honestly [TS]

01:25:58   would get really messy really fast and [TS]

01:26:00   quite quickly there will be certain [TS]

01:26:02   applications that would have a pairing [TS]

01:26:04   instance with almost every other app [TS]

01:26:06   that I use [TS]

01:26:08   don't think we'll work out to be [TS]

01:26:10   something I can keep track of in my head [TS]

01:26:12   yeah I wouldn't be asking for that [TS]

01:26:15   either I think that's that's another [TS]

01:26:17   like way the genie could grant the wish [TS]

01:26:19   which is like that would anybody like oh [TS]

01:26:21   I don't I don't want to have notes [TS]

01:26:23   paired with every single other app on my [TS]

01:26:25   iPad right like because it's like that's [TS]

01:26:27   what would obviously happen over time so [TS]

01:26:30   yeah I'm not asking I'm not asking for [TS]

01:26:32   that [TS]

01:26:33   the reason the reason why I say it feels [TS]

01:26:36   like there's an expectation that they're [TS]

01:26:37   stable is connected to the the thing [TS]

01:26:42   that I would sort of request here is [TS]

01:26:43   that again I think they have done a [TS]

01:26:48   great job with the visual drag and drop [TS]

01:26:51   from the dock like the way that you can [TS]

01:26:54   add another app to be the thing on the [TS]

01:26:57   side and again I'll use use another [TS]

01:27:00   example of a family member so I was [TS]

01:27:02   showing my mom the iOS 11 beta while I [TS]

01:27:05   was there over the summer and my mom is [TS]

01:27:10   about as Pro of the user as you can get [TS]

01:27:12   without being an actual professional on [TS]

01:27:14   the iPad like she's she's very good and [TS]

01:27:17   it was just interesting to see that she [TS]

01:27:20   immediately got it are they like yes [TS]

01:27:22   because they've done it in his visual [TS]

01:27:23   way like you pull up the dock and you [TS]

01:27:25   you take the icon that you want and you [TS]

01:27:28   put it where you want and you let go [TS]

01:27:29   it's like great my favorite thing is how [TS]

01:27:31   it fades out the area that it's gonna go [TS]

01:27:34   to yeah it squeezes in the entire screen [TS]

01:27:36   if you're going to the edge yeah it [TS]

01:27:37   fades out the previous app when you [TS]

01:27:39   hover over I think that's all done so [TS]

01:27:41   beautifully well yeah they've done a [TS]

01:27:43   great job of making it visually clear [TS]

01:27:46   what are you doing right and into a user [TS]

01:27:51   who is now at the level where they will [TS]

01:27:53   discover or find out or want to use the [TS]

01:27:56   multitasking again great I think that's [TS]

01:27:59   a much better solution for most people [TS]

01:28:01   than the old version of swipe in from [TS]

01:28:03   the side and then swipe down from the [TS]

01:28:05   top it's just like no look look at the [TS]

01:28:07   thing you want to do and just do the [TS]

01:28:09   most sensible thing if they were [TS]

01:28:11   physical objects right that's that's [TS]

01:28:13   what you're doing so I think that's very [TS]

01:28:14   good but the thing the thing for me that [TS]

01:28:17   I find is if you're very intensely using [TS]

01:28:21   the eye [TS]

01:28:22   with a bunch of different apps I find [TS]

01:28:27   that I am constantly breaking apart and [TS]

01:28:31   reassembling these pairs and when you do [TS]

01:28:35   that it's a lot of steps actually to do [TS]

01:28:39   and I find the process clunky so there's [TS]

01:28:43   there's no wait to do it quickly and [TS]

01:28:45   that's why to me I have this feeling [TS]

01:28:46   like these things they're buddies and [TS]

01:28:48   they're not expecting you to be very [TS]

01:28:51   rapidly say having mail on one side and [TS]

01:28:55   three or four other little apps that [TS]

01:28:57   you're working with on the other side [TS]

01:28:59   like it's it's clearly not designed with [TS]

01:29:01   that idea in mind that there's like one [TS]

01:29:03   main thing that you're using and you [TS]

01:29:05   want to keep that on screen and there's [TS]

01:29:06   other things on the side that you want [TS]

01:29:08   to keep swapping in because I find it [TS]

01:29:11   clunky and part of the reason is because [TS]

01:29:14   there is this state change between if [TS]

01:29:17   you're using the external keyboard you [TS]

01:29:19   have your hands on the keyboard and then [TS]

01:29:20   you have to reach on the screen and then [TS]

01:29:22   it's hands back on the keyboard it's not [TS]

01:29:25   quick to do and and that's why I'm like [TS]

01:29:28   I'm just a little bit concerned about [TS]

01:29:29   this idea that there are these this [TS]

01:29:32   state saving this because I feel like [TS]

01:29:34   I'm constantly undoing that like I'm [TS]

01:29:37   undoing the previous state things we're [TS]

01:29:40   in just constantly and it's a bunch of [TS]

01:29:44   steps like it's you know the fastest way [TS]

01:29:46   to do it if there's not an app that's [TS]

01:29:49   already on your dock is actually a bunch [TS]

01:29:51   of steps like it's command space to [TS]

01:29:53   bring up spotlight you start typing in [TS]

01:29:55   the words to try to find the actual app [TS]

01:29:57   you then put your finger on the results [TS]

01:30:00   but you have to wait a second for it to [TS]

01:30:02   pop so this is now we've introduced a [TS]

01:30:04   time delay that's part of the long tap [TS]

01:30:07   which which brings it under your finger [TS]

01:30:09   as opposed to just opening that app [TS]

01:30:11   straight away and then on on that's on [TS]

01:30:13   the spotlight screen you drag it to [TS]

01:30:15   where you want it to go but again you [TS]

01:30:17   have to wait to watch the background pop [TS]

01:30:19   either in the way you want it to go in [TS]

01:30:21   or show that it's going to hover you [TS]

01:30:24   know you can let go and then you have to [TS]

01:30:26   dismiss spotlight it's like it's sort of [TS]

01:30:31   seven taps and hands on and off the [TS]

01:30:33   keyboard and to peer you [TS]

01:30:35   of waiting to swap out an app and I just [TS]

01:30:39   I think that is force for it for an [TS]

01:30:43   action that may be performed a hundred [TS]

01:30:46   times a day I think it's far too long [TS]

01:30:49   like I think it's too many steps and [TS]

01:30:52   while dragging from the dock and placing [TS]

01:30:56   is is great for I guess what we call [TS]

01:30:59   like the the low end pros I don't think [TS]

01:31:03   it's a good solution for someone who is [TS]

01:31:05   replacing their laptop with an iPad I [TS]

01:31:08   think it's just too many steps to do a [TS]

01:31:11   thing that you're gonna want to do a [TS]

01:31:13   whole bunch of times I hear your [TS]

01:31:15   complaint do you feel my pain like yeah [TS]

01:31:19   but I don't agree with the idea of [TS]

01:31:21   changing it I think trying to implement [TS]

01:31:24   a way to do this with like an app [TS]

01:31:27   changing over or keyboard shortcuts [TS]

01:31:29   being able to change the stuff would add [TS]

01:31:31   an additional layer of complexity which [TS]

01:31:35   are stronger than the one we currently [TS]

01:31:36   have like how do you define where the [TS]

01:31:39   app goes because I would be very [TS]

01:31:42   confident in the fact that now you can [TS]

01:31:44   move things where you want to put them [TS]

01:31:46   you would want to be able to define [TS]

01:31:48   where the app is gonna be and trying to [TS]

01:31:50   do all of that from the keyboard over [TS]

01:31:52   time would become quite complex right [TS]

01:31:55   like if I can swap my apps left and [TS]

01:31:57   right hitting command tab changing one [TS]

01:31:59   of them might not necessarily change the [TS]

01:32:00   one that I wanted to change so then I [TS]

01:32:02   have to perform some of our action to [TS]

01:32:04   make sure that it's going to be in the [TS]

01:32:05   place that I want that's all going to be [TS]

01:32:07   tricky and I understand the idea of like [TS]

01:32:10   you need to bring up spotlight and hold [TS]

01:32:13   and drag but I think it it's more [TS]

01:32:15   honestly as a more elegant solution than [TS]

01:32:19   anything else that I've tried before to [TS]

01:32:21   attempt to do what this is trying to do [TS]

01:32:23   yeah elegant yes because it's all visual [TS]

01:32:26   like I will totally grant that but quick [TS]

01:32:29   it is not so I've been thinking about [TS]

01:32:32   this a whole bunch because here's here's [TS]

01:32:34   one thing it's like okay we're in beta [TS]

01:32:36   season now and I Halfin think people [TS]

01:32:39   people sometimes think like there's [TS]

01:32:41   gonna be major changes in betas but if [TS]

01:32:43   my experience Apple's just refining [TS]

01:32:45   stuff yeah especially at the point that [TS]

01:32:47   we are right now yeah it's very unlike [TS]

01:32:49   clear they're gonna make any significant [TS]

01:32:51   change yeah I don't think there's and [TS]

01:32:52   and the thing is with all of the betas [TS]

01:32:54   there have very rarely been actual [TS]

01:32:57   significant changes like they're looking [TS]

01:32:59   for bugs you know they might adjust some [TS]

01:33:01   minor things like they changed some of [TS]

01:33:02   the behavior with their bizarrely [TS]

01:33:04   confusing notification screen it's like [TS]

01:33:06   but it's very minor stuff so I've been [TS]

01:33:09   thinking about this a lot about what is [TS]

01:33:11   a suggestion that I could make that I [TS]

01:33:14   think would solve the problem that is [TS]

01:33:17   also within the universe of possibility [TS]

01:33:21   of the kind of thing Apple might add [TS]

01:33:23   into an actual beta so here because it's [TS]

01:33:26   like I'm not asking for a big rewrite of [TS]

01:33:28   this thing again I think this whole [TS]

01:33:30   multitasking paradigm is overall a great [TS]

01:33:34   solution that's hitting a lot of [TS]

01:33:36   different people on a lot of different [TS]

01:33:37   levels which is very hard to do so I'm [TS]

01:33:39   not I'm not coming along and saying like [TS]

01:33:41   oh you should totally abolish this [TS]

01:33:43   foundational analogy of state saving or [TS]

01:33:45   buddies right like I'm not even remotely [TS]

01:33:46   suggesting that because I don't even [TS]

01:33:48   think that would necessarily be a good [TS]

01:33:49   idea here was just my my only thought [TS]

01:33:52   for what I've been thinking of is like a [TS]

01:33:55   search and swap right because it's like [TS]

01:33:57   we have drag and drop this criticism [TS]

01:33:59   swap for professionals so here's my [TS]

01:34:03   proposal which has the minimum number of [TS]

01:34:05   changes that still achieve the goal of [TS]

01:34:08   how do you get an application that is [TS]

01:34:11   not on your dock on screen as fast as [TS]

01:34:15   possible just for professionals who [TS]

01:34:17   would look for this thing not expected [TS]

01:34:20   to be used by normal users my suggestion [TS]

01:34:23   is when you pull up spotlight and you [TS]

01:34:26   search for an app and you have that app [TS]

01:34:29   selected with the little highlight bar [TS]

01:34:31   that you can pull down I think at this [TS]

01:34:34   very moment all I would ask for is a [TS]

01:34:38   keyboard shortcut command left arrow [TS]

01:34:42   puts that highlighted app on the left [TS]

01:34:44   side of the screen command right arrow [TS]

01:34:47   puts that app on the right side of the [TS]

01:34:50   screen command up puts it in the [TS]

01:34:53   floating position on the screen that's [TS]

01:34:55   what I think is the minimum way to do [TS]

01:34:58   this successfully in a way that is [TS]

01:35:01   actually achievable in the current [TS]

01:35:03   a state that would be pretty perfect [TS]

01:35:06   like I would be really happy with that [TS]

01:35:07   yeah it allows you to swap out either [TS]

01:35:10   side I think it's a pretty [TS]

01:35:12   understandable keyboard command and you [TS]

01:35:16   don't have to take your hands off the [TS]

01:35:18   keyboard to put an app anywhere on the [TS]

01:35:22   screen so that's that's my pitch to [TS]

01:35:24   Apple if you want to do some kind of [TS]

01:35:27   search and swap I think a keyboard [TS]

01:35:28   command in the spotlight interface that [TS]

01:35:31   already exists to just move the app to [TS]

01:35:35   the left the right or the top of the [TS]

01:35:37   screen I think that that would be like a [TS]

01:35:40   perfect search and swap that is [TS]

01:35:41   implementable in a beta period with the [TS]

01:35:45   minimum amount of having to rewrite [TS]

01:35:47   anything I fully endorsed this message [TS]

01:35:49   thank you this is really good this is [TS]

01:35:51   really good I thought you were gonna [TS]

01:35:53   push back on this one no no because this [TS]

01:35:55   is super low friction it's not changing [TS]

01:35:59   anything it's keeping well I I think is [TS]

01:36:02   actually a really good system in place [TS]

01:36:03   yeah but it's just adding just one [TS]

01:36:06   little extra thing that most people [TS]

01:36:08   would never even notice like for example [TS]

01:36:11   you know the way that you did the [TS]

01:36:12   drag-and-drop how spotlight that's [TS]

01:36:13   already a super Pro move oh my god I [TS]

01:36:16   would never know that had existed if TG [TS]

01:36:18   hadn't told me about it yeah it's a it's [TS]

01:36:20   great it works perfectly it's a good pro [TS]

01:36:22   move like I like that but the idea to be [TS]

01:36:25   able to just simply do it with these [TS]

01:36:26   these like three sets of keyboard [TS]

01:36:29   commands that I came to myself as you [TS]

01:36:31   started describing it right like there [TS]

01:36:33   was so obvious what they would be right [TS]

01:36:35   like left right and I didn't think about [TS]

01:36:37   but I was thinking of left right mm-hmm [TS]

01:36:39   date I've really really think that this [TS]

01:36:41   would be good and wouldn't break [TS]

01:36:43   anything we keep everything just as it [TS]

01:36:45   is I'm trying to think of like what what [TS]

01:36:47   could reasonably occur and I think that [TS]

01:36:49   would remove almost all of the feeling [TS]

01:36:52   of clunkiness constantly switching over [TS]

01:36:55   apps on on one side of the screen or the [TS]

01:36:58   other side of the screen it's like one [TS]

01:36:59   question for you gray yep [TS]

01:37:01   follow Reiter I have filed many radars [TS]

01:37:07   good man yeah I think that that's that's [TS]

01:37:10   I have filed radars on behalf of other [TS]

01:37:12   people who are not running via OS beta [TS]

01:37:13   because I feel like oh if that's a thing [TS]

01:37:16   that you [TS]

01:37:16   like put it in but I I have to say most [TS]

01:37:18   of the radars that I file are not [TS]

01:37:21   they're not things that I necessarily [TS]

01:37:22   realistically expect Apple to do like [TS]

01:37:26   they're things that I would hope for but [TS]

01:37:28   I would not be expecting for anybody [TS]

01:37:31   that doesn't know radar is the name of [TS]

01:37:33   an apples bug reporting system yeah but [TS]

01:37:35   this is perhaps the only thing I can [TS]

01:37:37   think of that is it change I could if [TS]

01:37:40   not realistically I think I could [TS]

01:37:42   optimistically hope Apple might actually [TS]

01:37:45   do so [TS]

01:37:47   yes Allah after the show is over I will [TS]

01:37:50   officially then go file a radar with [TS]

01:37:52   this suggestion I like it a lot I think [TS]

01:37:54   yes I think it would really help and it [TS]

01:37:56   wouldn't be to breaking though [TS]

01:37:58   everything that they've done so thumbs [TS]

01:38:00   up from me unfortunately I have [TS]

01:38:01   absolutely no way of helping you are you [TS]

01:38:04   the chief radar funnily enough now can't [TS]

01:38:09   help you but I can endorse it for [TS]

01:38:11   anything that that means [TS]

01:38:13   you [TS]