H.I. #85: Another Person I've Never Heard Of
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all right here we go It's Showtime in
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kind of the feedback section I think two
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things have been burning a hole in my
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inbox and crashing the service at Reddit
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oh yeah and the first of those would be
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the continuing discussion about our use
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of the term ambulance drivers for people
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who drive ambulances whether they're
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paramedics whether they're ambulance
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drivers there are two things I've now
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learned and it's not really going to
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placate anyone the first is I now have a
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better understanding as to why
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paramedics were so upset by me
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describing someone who drives an
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ambulance as an ambulance driver and
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that is I think people in like the
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medical community like certain doctors
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or surgeons or people who think they're
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too cool for school use the term
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ambulance drivers as an insult for
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paramedics hmm it's like a way of
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belittling them it's like a nickname
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they give them to upset them so it's
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like a diddly brought wind up okay
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so saying look you he come the ambulance
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drivers is what you say when that the
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paramedics walk in the room so I can see
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why that would be upsetting on the other
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hand we've had a lot of feedback from
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people all around the world talking
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about various jurisdictions in which
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there are bespoke ambulance drivers
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there is a differentiation between
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people who drive ambulances and people
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who have the qualifications to actually
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tend to people in times of medical need
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so there are actually legitimate
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ambulance drivers who are not paramedics
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so that is a thing that exists cuz we
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were speculating about that last time
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like is that a thing very much so in
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certain countries and in certain places
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in other places it's not so much but
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that definitely is a thing that is
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interesting is very interesting I didn't
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come across that because I felt like at
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least from the feedback that I saw on
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the reddit my takeaway from reading a
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bunch of that stuff was wow there's a
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lot of different degrees of what this
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means people were describing in wherever
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they worked how in terms of paramedics
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it's like there's five different levels
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of what the person is and what they're
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qualified for and so once again like
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with everything in the world I felt like
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our discussion on ambulance drivers
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stroke paramedics opens up a door to
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another infinite world
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of complexity and differentiation that
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people are involved in so I felt frankly
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overwhelmed with all of the detail and
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differentiation of what is a paramedic
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where in the world what exactly does
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their job entail and how do you become
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one of these people well if you found
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that overwhelming how did you feel about
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the feedback to the 51 star American
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flag suggestions well I mean first we
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must say that I don't know who did it
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but at one point your design suggestion
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for the 51 star flag was living on the
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Wikipedia page for future suggested
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versions of how the 51 star flag might
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look and I feel like that was barely
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Wikipedia vandalization at all I feel
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like that's a legitimate proposal for
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what could be a future 51 star flag
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design so I was very happy to see that
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make its way into the Wikipedia article
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yeah I mean that list was all about
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suggestions like from various people
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who'd suggested them my favorite thing
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there was a little caption that sort of
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described how design proposed by Brady
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Haran and executed by CGP grey like that
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sort of play to that whole image that
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I'd tried to create of me as like you
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know the grand visionary at the top and
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you is like the drone that just like
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makes the stuff I was basically the
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seamstress in this situation right
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that's that's what was occurring there
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ya know if that caption was perfect
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great work for whoever did that so I
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really enjoyed that but of course as
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soon as you start showing something like
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that to the internet everybody wanted to
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jump in with their own version of the 51
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star flag so we said we got a whole
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bunch of interesting ones that were sent
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along I tried to create a reddit thread
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to capture them all together because I
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always just loved seeing what people
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make with this kind of stuff so I'll put
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it in the show notes there's a link to a
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reddit discussion which has just a ton
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of the designs all together in one place
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let me send a few of them along to you
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right now Brady and see what you think
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these ones that have your endorsement or
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your condemnation I'm just passing along
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a few that caught my eye
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no comment of endorsements or anything
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there say the first one Gray has sent to
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me in the star section
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has 51 stars arranged into the shape of
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a star so it's like a star of stars and
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it's a little bit on the silly side oh
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you think that's silly oh you have more
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stuff to cover okay but I thought it's
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interesting to see that the 51 stars can
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be arranged in a sense symmetrical
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because it's five ways is there a word
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for five way symmetry I feel like I
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should know this fivefold symmetry that
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fivefold symmetry yeah I think you're
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right there I think you're right so that
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can be done it's not too bad there are a
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few other versions of people trying to
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arrange the stars in a somewhat orderly
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pattern or at least pleasing so this one
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you've sent in the star section has the
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51 stars and they kind of arranged in
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diagonal rows rather than the horizontal
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rows that we're familiar with on the
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current American flag and yeah it just
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doesn't quite look right does it no it
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doesn't quite look right those are two
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sort of somewhat serious designs yeah
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there's one that's a little bit jokey
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but I actually kind of like it so I'll
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send this next one along to you okay so
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in this one what they've done is they've
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taken sort of the top corner where the
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stars live and instead they've made it
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the whole left-hand side of the flag
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like a vertical bar going down the whole
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height of the flag and they've arranged
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the stars in there the left-hand sixth
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of the flag is a pile of stars and then
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we have stripes all emanating from that
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and do you know what it looks wrong
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obviously because I'm so used to the US
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flag but if that had been the u.s. flow
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from day one I could easily look at that
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and think oh yeah that's just how their
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flag works I can see how that kind of
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works yeah I like this one doing a
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vertical banner on the left-hand side it
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gives you enough space to arrange the 51
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in a somewhat pleasing way I think it
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looks good I think it looks good
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because I feel like the 51 stars there's
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just no good way to do it in the
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existing format and so it's like maybe
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this is time for America to think
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outside the box if the flag is going to
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change so we have a couple of other
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thinking outside the box Options here
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Brady okay what do we go he comes
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another one why do 51 stars when instead
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you could do 51 stripes
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right say having 51 straps on a flag
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results in the straps being so close
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together that it looks almost just like
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a big rectangle of pinkness yep 51 yeah
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horizontal stripes with no stars just
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stripes yeah no stars at all hmm this
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next one very different thought on how
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to arrange the 51 stars which I quite
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like say here we've got the blue section
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at the top and the 51 stars have been
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arranged to write out the number 51
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mm-hmm yeah I quite like that that's a
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good contender yeah also okay our star
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is necessary I think we have some other
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options okay someone has put the lettuce
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Li this is the Roman numeral version of
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51 stars right which i think is great of
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course we can also just talk about the
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way America prefers to view herself says
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someone has just put the number one
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hashtag in the blue area instead of
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we're number one that's America it's we
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are we now that's let's just say with
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romera we're number one my great
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disappointment is now that you have
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declared yourself the official US flag
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seamstress of hello internet people
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shouldn't even need to design flags they
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should just write written descriptions
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to you and then you knock it up for them
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and you know quick 5-10 minutes I wish
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them the best of luck with getting
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results for that people know what's
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gonna happen they know the results I
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felt like you were at my beck and call
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in the last episode when I was having
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you do I was just like throwing ideas
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out there and you were tapping away
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churning them out you know Brady I like
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to make your dreams a reality
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so I was very happy to do that
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immediately thank you you suggest I make
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I say jump graces hi that's exactly
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right that's that's how this
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relationship works all right thank you
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bedding flag designers at that you
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certainly took over our subreddit every
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time I went to the hello Internet
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subreddit it was just like Star Spangled
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Banner everywhere yeah there are
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absolutely everywhere if you go to the
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reddit link in the show notes there are
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a whole lot more than just the ones that
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I posted to Brady while we were
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discussing it I think there's something
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like 80 different takes on the flag and
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some of them are hilarious so I highly
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recommend you go check that out and see
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alternate flag designs
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the Tim's and gray will compile a list
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of his 51 favorites I will not know that
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what that happened so Brady I am
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recently back from America
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you were there forever I thought you
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were never coming home I wasn't sure if
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I was ever coming home
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it wasn't intended to be that long I
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wonder if your your accents like
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American dup a bit more whenever I go to
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Australia people say I sound more
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Australian when I come home for the
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first few weeks do people say you sound
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more American when you come back you
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couldn't say I'm more American actually
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now I think about it do you think I
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sound super American that is not
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possible for me to sound more American
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well I don't think you sound like tinged
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by Britishness you do sound a bit tinged
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by Britishness though Brady yeah but
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when I go to Australia I recharge my
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Aussie Nostromo is that how it works
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you're running low on Oz eNOS and need
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to charge back up every once in a while
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it's not intentional it just happens
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hang out with all my Aussie friends and
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I get a bit more ocka ocka ocka is like
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a it's an Australian thing saying you
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sound Orko means you sound really Ozzy
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oh it's probably incredibly racist and
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I've just insulted a whole bunch of
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people knowing the way the internet
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works now but I'd better look it up if
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you sound augur sounds Australian I
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don't see what the problem would be
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because you're Australian and then you
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could say that okay it means a rough
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uncultivated Australian man so a bit
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more uncultivated is it's you know it's
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a bit more rough around the edges slang
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for a stereotypical Australian someone
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with a strong accent who enjoys beer
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barbecues Australian football v8 cars
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behave cards that's a long story long
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story of you and asking was trailing
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about that kind of car yeah okay don't
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stop me on Holden versus forward I'm a
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hardened man for those who wandering
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there oh okay there you go yes so I
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don't think I'm sounding more American
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having come back from America I don't
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think the night of the case I'm sounding
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just the regular way yeah but while I
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was in America hmm I saw a thing Brady
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that I've been dreading for a while
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because a little while ago there was a
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article talking about how uber is going
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to introduce the much requested much
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requested feature of tipping the drivers
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saw this public relations thing that
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uber is finally allowing riders to do
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what they have long desired which is tip
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their drivers I have some suspicions
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about how much riders have actually
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wanted that versus how much the drivers
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want that but anyway I saw this thing I
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had hoped in my heart of hearts that
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maybe it wouldn't come to pass but sure
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enough while I was in New York for the
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first time I saw it I took an uber thing
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popped up on my screen and it said I had
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a tip for your driver with three buttons
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on the bottom and an option to add an
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even larger custom amount if you so want
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to and honestly I feel like my heart
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sank very deeply that day so great when
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I get an uber and I get out of the car I
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don't even look at my phone usually for
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a cup or two later and then I see like
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you know the opportunity to do the star
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rating and everything is that when it
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happens is that next time you look at
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your phone so the driver could be long
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when you make this decision it has for
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me shown up on the page where you would
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normally give the driver the star rating
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I'll send you a screenshots I'm the
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first driver that I had who's asking for
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the tip okay yeah but so when it bothers
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you to give them the star rating you now
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have this additional mental burden on
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that page to decide if you want to give
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them additional money on top of the
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money that you have given them for the
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commercial transaction the clear
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commercial transaction that has happened
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but you don't have to give a tip you do
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not have to give a tip it's not required
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I'm not overly worried about this as
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long as it's not like a face-to-face
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awkward situation I'm kind of like I've
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always said I'm not opposed to tipping
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it's just the awkwardness of the moment
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and not having the money or how to give
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it to them and that sort of thing mm-hmm
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I mean if I was honest about that and I
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think I was then I don't mind giving the
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tip after the fact depending on the
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level of service and how I feel about
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how it went as long as I can do it like
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in the comfort of my sofa two or three
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hours later I'm alright with that what
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are the scenarios under which you would
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tip an uber driver I can imagine if they
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say we would have a conversation and
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useful information you know oh hey I'm
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new to town where's a good place to eat
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and they suggested a really good
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restaurant or they gave me some local
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advice or I really enjoyed the
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conversation maybe if the car was
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exceptionally clean or maybe if they had
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a couple of little goodies in there like
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a lovely or something I could have I can
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imagine scenarios that's really cute if
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there's a lolly in the back for Brady
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you might just give you a tip yeah I've
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had Reba rides where it was something
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really memorable I once had an uber
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driver whose name he was from Ethiopia
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and his name was millionaire that was
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actually his first name and I said how
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can I take a picture of you and like you
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know social media playing around with it
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and he was a really good sport and let
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me do it so he's a guy I would happily
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have tipped you know five bucks cause he
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he was a good sport and played around so
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I can see these things happening that's
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very interesting well although I can see
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immediately from your answer that of
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course you have more scenarios under
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which you might tip the driver because
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you're interacting with the driver
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whereas I have been thinking this entire
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time like I can't even imagine why I
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would give an uber driver a tip because
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my ideal situation is I just we just get
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in the car and I never really speak to
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the driver and then I just get out yeah
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I guess with me there is far less room
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for the ability to give a tip in the
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first place well then don't give a tip
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but do they know can they penalize you
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can they look later on and see who
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tipped and then who didn't and affect
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your star rankings with that information
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I was always under the impression it
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would be pulled at the end of the day
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and they wouldn't know who didn't didn't
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tip yeah that's my understanding is that
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the drivers do not know this is the best
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way to handle it like if they're going
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to do it doing it this way like the
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drivers don't know you can just do it
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later this sort of fine for me there's
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something about it being here that I
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feel like it is sullied uber it has
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taken this like clear commercial
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transaction in my mind and has now moved
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it into the world of somewhat ambiguous
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interactions and transactions is the
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best version of this that it could
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possibly be but I'm still sad to see
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I'm not surprised it happened why do you
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say that well I don't know how much you
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follow the news no I do know how much
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Father's Day Parade is you don't want to
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know how much I follow the news but like
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there's been a lot of in the UK in
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elsewhere there's been a lot of
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confrontation lately as sort of drivers
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start to not unionize but get to a point
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where they're starting to expect more
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rights and they want to be treated as
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employees and have that rights to
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holidays and things like that which
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again sort of goes against how uber has
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always pitched itself but this is the
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whole other debate that we shouldn't
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wade into and while that's been going on
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at the same time uber itself is bit of a
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wounded ball at the moment because of
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all the problems that its former boss
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had been getting himself into and the
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culture of the company so we've got a
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situation where the drivers are sort of
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on the ascendancy and starting to make
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noise and the company at the top is kind
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of in a perilous condition and weakened
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so if there was ever a time where the
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drivers we're gonna get their way and
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start clawing back things they want now
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is the time I think the question of
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whether or not bird drivers are
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employees like that feels like a perfect
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thing that we could just argue about for
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a little while it seems to me like well
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they're clearly not but that of course
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gets us straight to the whole question
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of like the app economy which is a very
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big different sort of thing
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at least that's interesting that that's
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why you feel like it's obvious that this
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is going to happen because ubers in
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trouble the drivers are collectivizing
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it sounds like in some sense sober wants
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to make them happy I guess I mean we've
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got a culture where some people are
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thinking drivers aren't being treated
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well the company is getting this
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increasing reputation for being mean
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like this is obviously a move that would
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placate that somewhat so very
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unsurprising so after I saw that driver
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I was like ah here we are like now that
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►
now this thing has arrived my immediate
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next ride in New York in uber when the
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screen came up to do the five star
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rating it said that this driver does not
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currently accept tips
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and you know what I thought Brady I want
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to give that man a tip I've never had
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that feeling ever like boy I really want
◼
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to give someone a tip but when I saw
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this one guy who didn't accept tips I
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thought you were the only person maybe
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in the entire history of the service
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industry that I have felt like please I
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would love to give you a tip for your
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refusal to accept tips but of course he
◼
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had long driven away that wasn't a
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I couldn't hand him cash in the car
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because I didn't do the star rating
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until later I was hoping you're gonna
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you flicked him a cheeky Benjie flicked
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him a cheeky Benji that's what I would
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►
do baby but yes that's like I wish there
◼
►
was some way that I could reward better
◼
►
the drivers who don't accept the tips
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►
and just tell who burr
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please don't ever show me that tip
◼
►
screen because there's not a situation
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►
that I'm ever gonna actually want to
◼
►
press those buttons it just makes me
◼
►
feel a little guilty now every time that
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the star rating comes up and I don't
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actually press the tip button fair
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that's what tips are social gilts will
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chop that up as a loss to gray in his
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ongoing battle to have everything in the
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world shaped to his liking it totally is
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Brady like that's you know you're saying
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that it's like a joke but I do feel like
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this is a battle that I live every day
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in many many different ways I'm not even
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I've been doing a bit of traveling
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lately myself mm-hmm one of the places I
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went was the US as well I saw you at
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VidCon and lots of other people and well
◼
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it was all good for us to catch up
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mm-hmm but one of the other things I did
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while I was there in Anaheim was I went
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to Disneyland for the first time in a
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►
long time I went with our very good
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►
friend Destin who had a great time
◼
►
together but the thing I were used for
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►
the first time was this so called
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Fast Pass which is the system at
◼
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Disneyland that allows you to supposedly
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get on rides more easily more quickly
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►
and not spend all your day what I would
◼
►
call queueing what Americans might call
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standing in line yeah so you sent me a
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►
photo of you and Destin in Disney as I
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►
was making my way towards Anaheim and my
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►
first thought of course was oh my god
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►
you're a Disney in the height of the
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►
summer I can't imagine ever doing
◼
►
something like that and I sent you a
◼
►
message immediately like I hope to god
◼
►
you bought the Fast Pass or that
◼
►
whatever the heck it's called yeah there
◼
►
are additional ticketing system yeah
◼
►
because in my mind this is a thing which
◼
►
is almost like it feels anti fairness
◼
►
but my understanding of this is that
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it's an extra ticket that allows you to
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go on like an executive line that's just
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►
for the people who bought the Fast Pass
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and so then you can then get to the
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front of the line faster is that correct
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►
well you like me have that completely
◼
►
wrong it is nothing like that although I
◼
►
thought the same I thought I could use
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►
financial might to buy myself a golden
◼
►
ticket that would allow me to walk past
◼
►
everyone and get on the rides more
◼
►
quickly and I was willing to do that I
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was willing to sacrifice
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my hard-earned money to buy back time of
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►
course I was hopeful I could do that
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►
that's how life works isn't it we spend
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►
most of our life earning money so we can
◼
►
buy time correct this is not how it
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►
it couldn't be further from it okay I
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►
don't know how to explain I'm going to
◼
►
attempt to explain it I haven't really
◼
►
thought about this that the logical way
◼
►
to explain to you how it works but I
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►
don't know whether I should just tell
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►
you what it looks like on the surface or
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►
what I later learned how it actually is
◼
►
working probably the best thing to do is
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►
tell you how it actually is working I'm
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wondering because I haven't been to
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Disney in a long time I've always
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►
thought like if I'm going to Disney I'm
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►
going in the offseason and I'm gonna buy
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►
there is no fast pass to buy alright so
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►
I have this all wrong I don't even
◼
►
understand what's occurring
◼
►
okay got it you have this all wrong and
◼
►
so did I and like this tonight when we
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►
were buying our tickets we're like how
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►
do we buy a first pass mister sounded
◼
►
like idiots I now realize we did sound
◼
►
like idiots and like the people were
◼
►
saying wait till you get inside oh yeah
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►
like you already know there's something
◼
►
ominously wrong like they're just wait
◼
►
till you get inside so wait till you get
◼
►
inside you idiots so what happens is you
◼
►
get a ticket to go into Disneyland it is
◼
►
important you keep that ticket because
◼
►
that ticket becomes very important and
◼
►
what happens is at any given ride there
◼
►
are two queues there were two lines
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►
there is what I will call the slow line
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►
which is for people without a fast bus
◼
►
okay there's the first pass line right
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now let's pretend it's the middle of the
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►
day now and there are lots of people in
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the park and there are lots of lines
◼
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everywhere what you can do is you can
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join the slow line and you'll have a
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►
long wait let's say an hour and a half
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►
to get on the ride or what you can do is
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►
you can scan your ticket to get a fast
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►
pass for that particular ride and the
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►
first pass can be used later on in the
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►
day at a specified time so I would say
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you can come back at between 3 and 4
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o'clock this afternoon and join the fast
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that's how it works and during that time
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you can then move around the park and
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join other slow lines but you can only
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have one fast pass at a time you have to
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►
be really strategic and it's linked to
◼
►
your ticket so you can't like go around
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►
all the rides and get a fast pass for
◼
►
every single ride and have your day
◼
►
planned out for the whole day that was
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my immediate thought is you just run in
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►
and grab all the fast passes no no no
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►
you've got to be really strategic and
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►
what I'm not talking about here is all
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the ways you can obviously check the
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system and I'm sure people in reddit an
◼
►
email will say Oh Brady you should have
◼
►
done this and you should have done that
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►
and this is how you change did you not
◼
►
go to Disneyland hacking com to figure
◼
►
out your Fastpass strategy so I'm
◼
►
talking about if you follow the rules
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►
now this becomes really difficult later
◼
►
in the day Destin and I learned because
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there are couple arise we wanted to go
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on and they were having like you know up
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►
to two hours in the slow line but the
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►
fast pass line was like three or four
◼
►
hours in the future and you're having to
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►
like do all this mental mathematics
◼
►
you're thinking do I use my fasteners
◼
►
for this ride and join the slow line for
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►
that one which says it will be two and a
◼
►
half hours adieu I joined the slow line
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►
for that one and get the fast pass for
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►
that one but I can't use my fast pass
◼
►
for that one for two hours after that
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►
and that means I'm not going to be able
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►
to get another and like it becomes
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►
really really difficult and once you've
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►
got a first pass you're locked in you
◼
►
can't like cancel it and say oh I made
◼
►
them oh really yeah it's really
◼
►
difficult and there's no like gold and
◼
►
tickets or anything it's just like you
◼
►
know it's always good to have a fast
◼
►
pass because as Destin was always saying
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it's good for us to have a fast pass
◼
►
doing the work for us while we're
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►
standing in slow lines I totally get
◼
►
that yeah it feels like you have a
◼
►
virtual robot standing in line for you
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►
yeah and the way I believe it works
◼
►
underneath the hood is Disney allocates
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►
say a thousand fast passes every hour
◼
►
for every ride so as people are chalking
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►
up all these fast passes say you want to
◼
►
go on the roller coaster right as people
◼
►
were talking at the first passes they're
◼
►
all disappearing so all the fast passes
◼
►
between one and two are gone all the
◼
►
fast passes between two and three ago
◼
►
and all the fast passes between three
◼
►
so very quickly that time that you can
◼
►
use your first pass on the
◼
►
roller-coaster is blowing right ahead
◼
►
like into the evening right if you don't
◼
►
get your first pass early you know you
◼
►
could have four or five hours into it
◼
►
you can use this fast pass and for that
◼
►
four or five hours you're going to be
◼
►
stuck in slow lines all that time you
◼
►
can only stand in slow lines so it
◼
►
becomes a real difficult decision I'm
◼
►
sure there are apps on websites that
◼
►
help you make such decisions we were
◼
►
using the Disney app all the time but
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►
I'm immediately feeling like you need
◼
►
some kind of app to help you plan this
◼
►
out okay I have a question I have a
◼
►
question Brady hmm do you know ahead of
◼
►
time when the Fastpass ticket is going
◼
►
to be good for or is it a surprise no
◼
►
you know ahead of time there's like
◼
►
screens and things that's all advertised
◼
►
so so it's like at the moment if you
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►
scan yourself for a first pass your
◼
►
first pass will be valid between three
◼
►
and four you know that beforehand got it
◼
►
got it all right now question about the
◼
►
fast pass line mm-hmm how does it work
◼
►
at the actual front of the line are they
◼
►
just pulling everybody straight off of
◼
►
the fast pass line on to the ride or are
◼
►
they mixing them in or like how does
◼
►
that work I'm not exactly sure but there
◼
►
seems to be like a blending okay of the
◼
►
lines that is heavily favored towards
◼
►
the fast passes it's not like every fast
◼
►
pass person gets on and then the slow
◼
►
people get on because that wouldn't work
◼
►
there's like a blending heavily-favored
◼
►
towards the fast passes I don't know the
◼
►
exact numbers but it felt like a fast
◼
►
pass line is about twice as fast as a
◼
►
slow line huh I don't know how
◼
►
beneficial this actually is for anybody
◼
►
who's in the park how did you feel about
◼
►
it going through the day with the Fast
◼
►
Pass this is what happened we went in
◼
►
early at the start we were getting loads
◼
►
of rides in at fast passes didn't even
◼
►
matter like we were like oh let's go on
◼
►
the Star Wars ride and it was like 9:00
◼
►
in the morning and the Fastpass said
◼
►
thing if you get a fast pass now it will
◼
►
be valid between 9:00 and 10:00 so we
◼
►
would like we didn't even need to get a
◼
►
fast bus you just walk straight in so
◼
►
for the first few hours the fast passes
◼
►
if you got a fast pass it would be valid
◼
►
in half an hour's time maybe it likely
◼
►
to be 9:30 or if you get a fast pass you
◼
►
can use it at 10:00 so we'd be like oh
◼
►
great let's grab a fast pass quickly go
◼
►
and do that ride and then come back at
◼
►
10 and do this ride so at first it
◼
►
seemed brilliant but then as more and
◼
►
into the park oh the first pass has
◼
►
started evaporating and that our slots
◼
►
were moving further and further into the
◼
►
day it got to a point later in the day
◼
►
where they were these two rides we
◼
►
wanted to go on and one of them had a
◼
►
slow line that was like two to two and a
◼
►
half hours and the other one if we got a
◼
►
fast pass we'd be able to use that fast
◼
►
pass in about four hours time so we were
◼
►
like oh God so we got the fast pass and
◼
►
then we're like okay well we can't go on
◼
►
that ride for four hours now we'll burn
◼
►
through two and a half hours in a slow
◼
►
line to get on that ride so as the day
◼
►
goes on it becomes much less useful whoo
◼
►
the thing I wondered for people who are
◼
►
wandering or why don't you just go and
◼
►
get lots of fast passes that a you can
◼
►
only get one at a time because it's
◼
►
linked to your ticket and if someone
◼
►
else gets one for you like you could say
◼
►
to someone are can you just scan your
◼
►
ticket and get me a fast pass for the
◼
►
roller coaster when you use your first
◼
►
pass it's wedded to your ticket so they
◼
►
do make sure I haven't just like got a
◼
►
fistful of fast passes that you've got
◼
►
off other people supposedly I don't know
◼
►
how well that's police but that is how
◼
►
it's supposed to work so they are trying
◼
►
to stop people scamming system okay you
◼
►
know what I'm just thinking though it's
◼
►
like okay wait a second you can't buy a
◼
►
fast pass but could you when you're
◼
►
entering the park could you tell the
◼
►
attendants that you're buying the
◼
►
tickets from like I would like to buy
◼
►
ten tickets please yeah but you know
◼
►
what they marry your tickets to your IDs
◼
►
and all sorts they're always like like
◼
►
wait I think I've found a loophole here
◼
►
nope the thing I wondered was if someone
◼
►
is like a guest of Disneyland and Disney
◼
►
I want them to you know have the
◼
►
corporate VIP experience what do those
◼
►
people get there must be some golden
◼
►
ticket and although I figure out unless
◼
►
there are secret entrances I was unaware
◼
►
of I think the golden ticket is some
◼
►
kind of pass that just gets you into any
◼
►
Fast Pass line at any time yeah I'm
◼
►
gonna bet that that's the case so you're
◼
►
still gonna be waiting half an hour to
◼
►
an hour but that must be the golden
◼
►
ticket I know for a fact that Disney has
◼
►
like a VIP system that people can try to
◼
►
approach their way through and that they
◼
►
have some special thing and I would
◼
►
assume given your description of this
◼
►
system that yeah it's like a Fast Pass
◼
►
that's available at all times that would
◼
►
be my yeah yeah and there's like lots of
◼
►
places have this at the airlines have
◼
►
special tickets they give out that will
◼
►
essentially be a ticket that will tell
◼
►
like the gate agent this person has to
◼
►
get on a plane and if you need to boot
◼
►
somebody off like you're gonna boot them
◼
►
off that's given out to super VIPs so I
◼
►
don't know like I can't articulate this
◼
►
but something about this fast pass
◼
►
system feels like a weird way in which
◼
►
people feel like they're winning
◼
►
something but I'm not actually sure they
◼
►
are not I agree with you like I said I
◼
►
think it's purely herd management it's
◼
►
just moving the cows around in a way
◼
►
that's not going to cause problems for
◼
►
Disneyland yeah that that's what's
◼
►
happening or maybe if I'm slightly more
◼
►
cynical about it it's constantly trying
◼
►
to give the guests more reasons to be
◼
►
hanging out at like the restaurants or
◼
►
places that you could pay and Disney
◼
►
like to make that an easier thing for
◼
►
so that they can feel like they're not
◼
►
wasting their time as much like they
◼
►
have the virtual robot waiting online
◼
►
for them hmm it's funny because it's
◼
►
like this conversation started out with
◼
►
my thought that there was something
◼
►
called a Fastpass that you could buy and
◼
►
gee I don't know how I feel about that
◼
►
but I feel like this system is somehow
◼
►
almost worse than just buying a VIP
◼
►
ticket I don't know is something about
◼
►
it that just feels like I don't quite
◼
►
like either because there's something
◼
►
democratic about oh we're all in an
◼
►
amusement park together and people just
◼
►
wait on lines and it's like an
◼
►
artificial environment so I don't know
◼
►
it's just it feels really weird and and
◼
►
there's something about it that I don't
◼
►
know almost adds like a layer of mental
◼
►
work on top of what you're doing like
◼
►
you have a thing to manage now while
◼
►
you're in the park as opposed to a more
◼
►
simpler task of you're just waiting on
◼
►
line or you're making a decision about
◼
►
how you want to spend your time versus
◼
►
your money I have to know though Brady
◼
►
these numbers that you're throwing out
◼
►
about being on line for an hour and a
◼
►
half or two hours are those real numbers
◼
►
or those exaggerated numbers please tell
◼
►
me there was one line for the cars ride
◼
►
that it felt like we were in that line
◼
►
for two or three hours
◼
►
I tell you what it would have driven me
◼
►
crazy except I hadn't seen Destin in
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person for about a year we were just
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like catching up so I enjoyed spending
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time with him but if it had been other
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circumstances it would have driven the
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absolutely crazy yeah I can totally
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leave that yes you have a great excuse
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to be able to spend a whole bunch of
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time with someone that you haven't
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actually seen in person for a long time
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so that mean yeah that makes it very
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fundamentally different but standing on
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line for two hours yeah do it's too much
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it's terrible the number of times I
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sounded like a grumpy old man and I said
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they just let too many people in this
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place right they're just greedy they
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would double the number of people in
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that place and they should be you think
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they're greedy yeah I think I'm just
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wondering because there'd be probably a
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pretty easy way to get half as many
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people in the park and that would be to
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double the ticket price hmm would you
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►
think that they're less greedy if they
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double the ticket price to get half as
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many people in or is that more greedy
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well that would be one way they could do
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it they could do it with price that
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►
would be a greedy way to do it or they
◼
►
could just sell this tickets no no you
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►
can't just sell us tickets that's
◼
►
madness no yet keep it affordable for
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like the common man they're not running
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►
a charity over there at Disney like that
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►
Mouse has got to eat Brady I don't think
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you understand well I have to say I'm
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►
very interested to hear how the Fast
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►
Pass works I think I feel like this is
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gonna be on my mind for a while you
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►
should go next time just go like us for
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►
research I don't know I keep thinking
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►
like there should be some kind of
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auction system here to work this out oh
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no I really thought that sounded I don't
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even mean in terms of like money I just
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mean like I know you may park credits or
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something everybody has a certain amount
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of park credits that they just get when
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they walk in if there's a ride that you
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really wanted to get to the front of
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like you could spend park credits to get
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on an additional line that would let you
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►
get to the front faster and then you
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►
could buy more Park credits from vending
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►
machines conveniently located around the
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►
park no no right now that's the terrible
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►
idea all of a sudden oh wait a minute no
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we've just made it a free-to-play game
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everything becomes this everything is
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gamified so great another little bit of
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►
travel I did and I don't want to brag
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►
are you sure but Mike
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this was a beautiful place I went to
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Santorini the Greek island whoa okay I
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►
had no idea that you did this seriously
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was one of the most beautiful places
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I've been Santorini it sounds beautiful
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it's a volcano crater that's a huge sort
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of lagoon in the middle opening out to
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the sea and it's got all these beautiful
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little white washed stone villages like
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all around the caldera of the volcano
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►
almost spilling down the cliffs into the
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sea it was gorgeous Wow
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►
mmm anyway I'll send you some pictures
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►
I'm looking at pictures online
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►
it looks like Mamma Mia that's what it
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►
looks like yeah I think Mamma Mia was
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►
filmed in here which is the town I
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►
stayed in oh okay well there we go so I
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►
won't bore you with all the things I did
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►
because it's pretty boring most there ii
◼
►
sat around looking at the view I did
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►
film a bunch of video so maybe we'll use
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►
that as the YouTube video for this
◼
►
particular episode of the podcast sounds
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►
good are you featured bravely swimming
◼
►
in any of these videos no no although I
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►
did swim out in the caldera but I'll
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►
come to that in a minute
◼
►
because that's part of what I do want to
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►
talk about there are two little things
◼
►
that happened I want to talk about the
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►
first is something I did that I've
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►
always been curious about and I'll ask
◼
►
if you've ever done it but I'd be
◼
►
willing to bet a considerable amount of
◼
►
Disney Land credits and that is I did
◼
►
that thing where you put your fate in
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►
like a tank of fish and they nibble your
◼
►
fate mm-hmm have you ever done that
◼
►
I have not done that now right actually
◼
►
I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to
◼
►
that I think you think I really I would
◼
►
find like oh I would never possibly do I
◼
►
would do that I wouldn't actually have a
◼
►
problem with that I just happen do you
◼
►
have not I've ever been in that
◼
►
situation but was it nice Brady the fish
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►
it was interesting right I supposedly
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►
they're like nibbling around dead skin
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and stuff and they've got a little bit
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►
of like anesthetic or something in their
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►
saliva then causes some sensation your
◼
►
face I don't I don't really know why it
◼
►
was good and how legit it was but we all
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►
did it I was there there was my wife and
◼
►
another couple and we all stuck effe in
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►
and the things that were interesting the
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►
first thing that was interesting was my
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►
wife was very apprehensive about and
◼
►
very stressed because
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►
is not a fan of like fish and sea
◼
►
creatures but yeah well I mean the sea
◼
►
is disgusting I'm with her on that one
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►
okay so when she put her feet in she was
◼
►
very tense and the fish sense that and
◼
►
the other three of us were having lots
◼
►
and lots of fish nibbling on our feet
◼
►
and the very few of the fish very near
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►
perfect and I was like saying to the
◼
►
people running the place Hey look my
◼
►
wife's not getting any fish nibbling
◼
►
what's your game and they were like is
◼
►
she really worried and stressed about
◼
►
this and um well actually she is and
◼
►
they were like yeah the fish no I don't
◼
►
know that sounds like an excuse for a
◼
►
defective fish as far as anything she's
◼
►
got a bad batch yeah exactly
◼
►
I'm sorry those are defective but the
◼
►
other thing was this little place where
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►
they were doing it it was really set up
◼
►
as bit of a tourist trap it was a lovely
◼
►
looking house you could see into her and
◼
►
everyone was going in to do it and
◼
►
obviously we were sucked in with the
◼
►
rest of them so lots of people were
◼
►
taking lots of pictures and making lots
◼
►
of videos and I will share one in the
◼
►
show notes and you can look at me with
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►
my feet in the fish tank and look at the
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►
video I deliberately didn't post it
◼
►
because I was saving it for the temps
◼
►
Wow so they can have the first look but
◼
►
it did make me wonder because we were
◼
►
all like you know hovering our phones
◼
►
over the tank taking these pictures so I
◼
►
said to the staff how often do people
◼
►
drop their phones in these fish tanks
◼
►
taking pictures and they just looked at
◼
►
me completely deadpan I said three or
◼
►
three or four times a day people drop
◼
►
their phones into the fish tank taking
◼
►
pictures of fish nibbling their feet in
◼
►
this one tiny shot and the other thing I
◼
►
did ask was how often do people get in
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►
because like when people first put their
◼
►
feet in some people like freak out and
◼
►
start screaming and my attitude is like
◼
►
calm down they just little fish that
◼
►
seems like someone's being a bit of a
◼
►
drama llama there yeah I'm doing that
◼
►
like they just want the attention for
◼
►
screaming it's what they want well yeah
◼
►
maybe so I did say to them how many
◼
►
times a day do people pay their money
◼
►
put their feet in and say not take their
◼
►
feet out and leave or do not even put
◼
►
their feet in at all ten times a day at
◼
►
least people hand over their money and
◼
►
then won't put their feet in or take
◼
►
their feet straight out because they're
◼
►
scared of the fish but kind of related
◼
►
to phone dropping there was one other
◼
►
thing that happened and you might think
◼
►
this is like a boring brady story no
◼
►
because essentially it is a boring
◼
►
Brittany story I don't think any of your
◼
►
stories are boring really
◼
►
one other thing happened that really
◼
►
affected me oh yeah on one of the days
◼
►
we decided we would get it and we went
◼
►
on this boat trip and we hired this like
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►
posh catamaran that takes you out into
◼
►
the center of Santorini you watch the
◼
►
sunset and they take you out to the
◼
►
middle where the center of the volcano
◼
►
is and the water is volcanic they're
◼
►
like it's like as you swim in it like
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►
there are like hot patches because of
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►
all the springs and hotness underneath
◼
►
mm-hmm so I was like oh I want to swim
◼
►
in that so they're like okay like not
◼
►
everyone wants to swim in it but I was
◼
►
you know how does now else I wanted to
◼
►
jump in the volcano water of course so
◼
►
they were like well you bathers might
◼
►
get stained by the unusual water because
◼
►
it's very smelly and full of sulfur and
◼
►
I'm well I didn't care and they said and
◼
►
also you have to take off like any
◼
►
jewelry because that stuff might get
◼
►
affected and I'm okay whatever so I took
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►
my ring off and took my watch off and
◼
►
everything and then I put them in my cap
◼
►
and stuff and my sunnies and stuff and
◼
►
then jumped in the water had a swim very
◼
►
good fun and then when I got out I was
◼
►
like oh I want to do like a snapchat or
◼
►
like take a picture now you know I feel
◼
►
invincible when it comes to phone
◼
►
dropping I don't worry about having my
◼
►
phone at the edge of things too much
◼
►
because like I'm invincible I'm
◼
►
invincible so I went and grabbed my cap
◼
►
which had my phone in it and came and
◼
►
went to the very back of the boat where
◼
►
it like slopes down into the water and
◼
►
took my phone out of my cap and started
◼
►
doing a snap and suddenly I heard this
◼
►
ding ding ding and like I thought like
◼
►
the people running the boat had dropped
◼
►
like a tool like a screwdriver or like a
◼
►
it sounded like an allen key being
◼
►
dropped I wonder what that noise was by
◼
►
I ignored it and then my wife says Brady
◼
►
that was your wedding ring which I'd
◼
►
also put in my cap I'm like oh my
◼
►
goodness and like the back of the boat
◼
►
here was like you know sloped down
◼
►
deliberately so water can run off into
◼
►
the sea and stuff you know and I'm not
◼
►
and I tell you what I've never let my
◼
►
heart just sank and I looked down and
◼
►
perched the very very edge of the boat
◼
►
hanging into the sea hanging over was my
◼
►
ring it had rode to the edge of the boat
◼
►
and just stopped and it was hanging over
◼
►
the edge and like I just saw her and
◼
►
then in the corner of my eye like the
◼
►
guy who was like running the boat one of
◼
►
the boat helpers had seen it too and he
◼
►
started leaning towards it to pick it up
◼
►
and I just screamed stop don't touch it
◼
►
look I did because I didn't want anyone
◼
►
stuffing up and knocking it in yeah yeah
◼
►
exactly it's like if this is going in
◼
►
the water it's gotta be my fault you
◼
►
know I just I just tiptoed up to it cuz
◼
►
just touching it could have knocked her
◼
►
sinking into the water and I just gently
◼
►
reached and just got my finger in it and
◼
►
just dragged along the thing off the
◼
►
edge until it was safe and then picked
◼
►
up and put it on my finger and like I
◼
►
was like I just sat down and I said oh
◼
►
my god I can't believe that just
◼
►
happened I was like what would I have
◼
►
done like I can't believe it my wife was
◼
►
nervous we support another one I was
◼
►
like for like 10-15 minutes I just I
◼
►
just had to have a little sit-down
◼
►
she's a very practical woman now yeah
◼
►
yeah it was it was very sobering it was
◼
►
very scary oh man I think you have my
◼
►
sympathies with that one it's funny
◼
►
because when when my wife and I got
◼
►
married we intentionally took a moment
◼
►
to say to each other if you ever lose
◼
►
we're both agreeing now like it's not
◼
►
any kind of big deal exactly like you're
◼
►
like what you mean like an omen or
◼
►
something yeah it's like yeah you just
◼
►
lose a wedding ring you just lose it
◼
►
right I can yeah it's an object you can
◼
►
just lose it we'll just get another one
◼
►
and actually I am on I'm on my second
◼
►
wedding ring in the exact same style my
◼
►
wife just surprised me as a gift and got
◼
►
a second wedding ring because after
◼
►
after the fitted Rollins stuff from last
◼
►
year my regular wedding ring was
◼
►
actually a little too big on my hand and
◼
►
it was bothering me so she got me one
◼
►
slightly a size smaller so I don't have
◼
►
this feeling of like you need to hold on
◼
►
to the original item but even even I in
◼
►
that moment like I think I would react
◼
►
the exact same way that you do I think
◼
►
there's there's like an impossibility to
◼
►
not have a kind of gut reaction about
◼
►
like this thing is incredibly valuable
◼
►
and irreplaceable and it's like perched
◼
►
even if in my head I know like oh my
◼
►
wife and I we agree like we'll just get
◼
►
another one and at this point if I were
◼
►
to lose it it wouldn't even be my
◼
►
original wedding ring it's just like a
◼
►
little gut reaction that I think what I
◼
►
would find impossible not to do even
◼
►
with intentionally no no put it like not
◼
►
trying to like D sacred ties the objects
◼
►
so that you're avoiding a future
◼
►
disaster yeah like it's funny on the
◼
►
total opposite end of the spectrum my
◼
►
father-in-law has never removed his
◼
►
wedding ring after he put it on for the
◼
►
first time at his wedding Wow and I I
◼
►
feel like that is a kind of streak that
◼
►
I couldn't psychologically handle it's
◼
►
just like this streak then becomes like
◼
►
too long and too powerful and I whenever
◼
►
anything like that would ever happen in
◼
►
my life I feel like I would
◼
►
intentionally D streak or D say critize
◼
►
those kind of things like you can't turn
◼
►
this into a thing it's like it's very
◼
►
impressive that he's done that but every
◼
►
time it ever comes up in conversation I
◼
►
just start getting nervous for him right
◼
►
but it's like you're gonna have to take
◼
►
off his ring at some point I wonder if
◼
►
like in quiet moments if he ever like
◼
►
loosens and let pulls it down towards
◼
►
his fingers like oh love the void maybe
◼
►
that's the whole reason he keeps the
◼
►
street going is that it's an exciting
◼
►
thing to do every once in a while live
◼
►
oh but I'm glad I'm glad you got your
◼
►
wedding ring back and I'm glad that your
◼
►
invincibility in dropping objects is has
◼
►
stayed with you it continues like it
◼
►
continues and I know I'm jinxing myself
◼
►
here and also I did too a bit of a lie I
◼
►
am very paranoid holding my phone at the
◼
►
edge of boats and things like that and I
◼
►
am the guy who always says do i careful
◼
►
with your phone when you're under bridge
◼
►
love like I do hold it really carefully
◼
►
so I am a bit paranoid about the edge of
◼
►
boats so I was being super careful when
◼
►
I took my phone out of the cap and just
◼
►
completely forgot that I put my ring in
◼
►
there is your wedding ring in there
◼
►
because I never take my ring off either
◼
►
really like I very rarely take it off
◼
►
interesting I take my wedding ring off
◼
►
fairly regularly like when I go to the
◼
►
gym I take it off because it's
◼
►
uncomfortable when holding the bars but
◼
►
I'm always aware of trying to remember
◼
►
very consciously like it is in the gym
◼
►
locker like in your pants pong and like
◼
►
don't forget like having a mental place
◼
►
of holding it where it is and I also
◼
►
just I tend to play with it as well like
◼
►
I tend to take the ring off and just
◼
►
like move it around in my hand and then
◼
►
put it back on yeah so I feel like it's
◼
►
a small miracle that I haven't lost a
◼
►
ring at some point it's only a matter of
◼
►
time why not join the three million
◼
►
people three million apparently who have
◼
►
turned to Harry's for a great shave at a
◼
►
great price now of course that number
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►
would be two million nine hundred ninety
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►
nine thousand nine hundred and ninety
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►
nine were it not for me because I am one
◼
►
of the Harry's shavers that is like a
◼
►
person who shaves with Harry's I'm not
◼
►
like a shaver itself like Excalibur
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►
ready for action my silver-handled
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►
Harry's sits proudly waiting in the
◼
►
bathroom ready for action whenever
◼
►
called upon now what is Harry's you ask
◼
►
well I'll share a little story you may
◼
►
not have heard before you see Harry's
◼
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was started by two guys Jeff and Andy
◼
►
and they were sick of buying overpriced
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►
razors they bought their own German
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►
factory with over a hundred years of
◼
►
blade making experience they started
◼
►
producing their own razors and
◼
►
replacement blades with a goal of making
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►
shaving better and more economical for
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►
everyone now you can claim a free trial
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offer from Harry's today that's thirteen
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dollars worth of value and you only pay
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for the shipping by going to their
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website that free trial set includes the
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weighted economic razor handle that's my
◼
►
favorite thing about Harry's I love the
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►
handles 5 precision engineered blades a
◼
►
rich lathering shave gel and there's
◼
►
also a travel blade cover which comes in
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►
handy also so to get your set or buy one
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►
is a present for someone else which is
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►
also a good idea go to harrys.com / h i
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that website harrys.com / h i and now
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thanks to them for supporting this
◼
►
episode so gray this next one's gonna
◼
►
require a little bit of background and
◼
►
for people who follow me on twitter
◼
►
they'll probably already be quite aware
◼
►
of it and apologies for the who
◼
►
but it has been a bit of a distraction
◼
►
for me this week it shouldn't have been
◼
►
some reason I got sucked into a black
◼
►
hole I'm ashamed to have been sucked
◼
►
into and I want to tell you about it now
◼
►
yeah but you know what
◼
►
something like black holes get us all
◼
►
this stuff that you know that you
◼
►
shouldn't get sucked into but you know
◼
►
what every once in a while everyone gets
◼
►
suckered into something that they
◼
►
shouldn't so it's become a bit of a
◼
►
guilty play toy for me so let me tell
◼
►
you about it yes so first of all just by
◼
►
way of background so you're kind of in
◼
►
in the picture maybe a little bit of
◼
►
unnecessary background but it does help
◼
►
put things into context for a long time
◼
►
now there's this institution in the UK
◼
►
called the Radio Times I believe was
◼
►
started by it was certainly part of the
◼
►
BBC for a long time and I think it
◼
►
started as like a printed guide to radio
◼
►
listings so you knew what was on like a
◼
►
TV Guide for radio yeah exactly but what
◼
►
happened was it very quickly became the
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TV Guide for all of the UK as well it
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just kept the name Radio Times ok that's
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confusing yeah so forever in a day
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well back in the good old days before I
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was even in the UK I think having a copy
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of the Radio Times was pretty important
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because it was a good way to find out
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what was on TV and even to this day if
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my wife wants to know what's on TV shows
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sometimes say oh why don't you check the
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Radio Times website because obviously it
◼
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evolved into a website now for obvious
◼
►
reasons this is not a business model
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that seems to have a strong future
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certainly printed copies even the
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website I think has limited value yeah I
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mean that the very concept of what's on
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TV now is I think a concept that is
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dying yeah the Radio Times very much
◼
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evolved into like most of these TV
◼
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guides also evolved into kind of like a
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magazine about news and what's happening
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in TV shows and what's happening on the
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radio so it's always got articles and
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things like that as well
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it's not just purely a function of TV
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Guide now a while ago now I'm pretty
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sure this is right if I'm wrong I'll
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take my beating later but the BBC sold
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the Radio Times they sold the brand I
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think they thought it wasn't really that
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valuable to them it still had a little
◼
►
bit of value to it so they sold it off
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so it's no longer a BBC commodity or
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asset it's just the Radio Times I'm not
◼
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a follower of it but from the little bit
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this week I have the distinct impression
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it's gone a little bit trashy it's gone
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a little bit town market since the BBC
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offloaded it you can imagine in you know
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the fight to survive maybe there they're
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►
going a bit down market
◼
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just my opinion apologies if I'm wrong
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so that's what the Radio Times is
◼
►
they've got this website a little bit
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►
trashy populist might be a nicer way to
◼
►
put it yeah it looks like they just have
◼
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a bunch of news about celebrities like
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I'm just clicking around and it's like
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celebrity TV news stuff yeah so again a
◼
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lot of this I have found out in
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retrospect but last year they had on
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their website they did some kind of
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►
with different categories like who's
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your favorite actor who's your favorite
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TV star who's your favorite radio
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presenter and they did all this public
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►
online voting mm-hmm and I don't think
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you win anything in particular you're
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►
just like I think they call it like
◼
►
their champion their radio times
◼
►
champion or whatever and apparently it
◼
►
was quite popular last year so they've
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done it again this year and early in
◼
►
this year's contest it was brought to my
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►
attention and this is where the story
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starts for me and unbeknownst to you
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also starts for you because one of the
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categories they created this year
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instead of just having radio stars they
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seem to have radio and podcast mm-hmm
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they created some audio section it's not
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entirely clear what you're voting on or
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how one becomes the champion whether you
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are like you know I don't know if it's
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►
if you're good at your job or just
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popular or have a nice voice or whatever
◼
►
it is that doesn't seem to be specified
◼
►
it's just like a trashy contest online
◼
►
to drive lots of people to their website
◼
►
with pages with ads on it and get lots
◼
►
it's like clickbait isn't it and they're
◼
►
taking advantage of people's popularity
◼
►
these things happen now for reasons
◼
►
again unbeknownst to me how this
◼
►
happened you and I were lumped into this
◼
►
contest no it's not exactly clear to me
◼
►
how one becomes the champion I'm not
◼
►
sure if it was like for the person who
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like has the best voice or is the most
◼
►
entertaining or it's just a raw
◼
►
popularity contest which i think is what
◼
►
today well it says here that the radio
◼
►
and podcast champion is about who's got
◼
►
the velvet voice to claim the title well
◼
►
but it's actually just a popularity
◼
►
contest I did read that a velvet voice
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►
line and that did make me think Grey's
◼
►
demand but anyway let's talk about what
◼
►
happened obviously this is just like a
◼
►
clickbait click farm that we're all
◼
►
getting suckered into this is a machine
◼
►
to generate page views as well yes yes
◼
►
so all of this has happened unbeknownst
◼
►
to me it was drawn to my attention by a
◼
►
benign tweet where someone pointed it
◼
►
out that I clicked on and I landed on
◼
►
the page near the star of this
◼
►
competition now the way the competition
◼
►
is structured is the same in all the
◼
►
different categories but I'll just talk
◼
►
about the radio podcast category and
◼
►
what they seem to have done is created
◼
►
this huge list of audio personalities
◼
►
for lack of a better term because it's
◼
►
radio and podcast people all lumped
◼
►
and I'm assuming it's very UK skewed
◼
►
mm-hmm because there's lots of British
◼
►
radio presenters in there lots of famous
◼
►
names from over the years and things
◼
►
like that and you and I obviously was in
◼
►
this list I don't know how on earth has
◼
►
happened but it happened well I mean I
◼
►
guess we're a UK podcast yeah but I
◼
►
don't know how the people at Radio Times
◼
►
knew about us and stuff like I would
◼
►
have thought we were a little bit
◼
►
obscure for them anyway we're there I do
◼
►
not think we would be a little bit
◼
►
obscure for the bit continue on all
◼
►
right so what happens is all of these
◼
►
people this massive list was broken into
◼
►
four groups Group a group B C and D like
◼
►
a World Cup or a sporting competition
◼
►
and apparently this division was done
◼
►
randomly you and I ended up in the same
◼
►
group we were in Group D well it was
◼
►
drawn to my attention myself and this
◼
►
other chap called Greg James who I've
◼
►
learned is like a very famous Radio One
◼
►
presenter in the UK BBC Radio 1 very
◼
►
popular with the young people he's like
◼
►
he's a big deal so him and I were like
◼
►
near the top and you were like 3rd or
◼
►
4th or something but obviously there had
◼
►
not been many votes at this point
◼
►
because one or two votes here and there
◼
►
were dramatically changing the
◼
►
percentages of who got what right right
◼
►
when I drew people was attention to this
◼
►
things changed rapidly and you
◼
►
absolutely skyrocketed to the top of the
◼
►
group D at one point you were like
◼
►
garnering 70% of the vote and myself in
◼
►
this chap called Greg James was sort of
◼
►
slugging it out for second place we were
◼
►
quite close I was encouraging people to
◼
►
actually vote for you because this is
◼
►
obviously a nonsense thing and sort of
◼
►
the the public recognition and like you
◼
►
winning a public vote like this would be
◼
►
so awkward that it would tickle me no
◼
►
end and be quite funny so I was quite
◼
►
happy to see you streaking away but yeah
◼
►
no I know I know exactly what you're up
◼
►
to here right like you're trying to put
◼
►
me in a difficult position if I were to
◼
►
win this thing I know I know what you're
◼
►
doing you're not doing me any favors
◼
►
yeah so anyway I thought this was very
◼
►
funny and you were running away in
◼
►
winning Group D and it got to the point
◼
►
where so many teams were involved and
◼
►
there was all this red a coordination
◼
►
going that I was even trying to
◼
►
manipulate the percentages and I was
◼
►
sort of saying let's try and get gray
◼
►
onto exactly you know two-thirds of the
◼
►
vote and things like that and for a
◼
►
while that was working but then you sort
◼
►
of came back a little bit but you ended
◼
►
up with over fifty percent of the vote
◼
►
in group day big big winner and I
◼
►
indulged this Greg James guy for second
◼
►
place no doubt because all the Tim's
◼
►
were playing around and this vote is the
◼
►
worst structured voting system in the
◼
►
history of voting because you can just
◼
►
vote multiple times you could just sit
◼
►
there and click some people are saying
◼
►
you can't vote twice in a minute on
◼
►
their browsers but other people they're
◼
►
just voting over and over again so the
◼
►
whole thing's a debacle yeah yeah
◼
►
there's no way that's true I have voted
◼
►
immediately after it's a debacle so
◼
►
anyway you won and I thought that was
◼
►
good and I actually hadn't really looked
◼
►
into what happened next and I assumed
◼
►
you would go off and then now compete
◼
►
with the winners of Group A B and C but
◼
►
we are nowhere near that stage yet
◼
►
because what it turns out what they then
◼
►
did to keep this clique farm running
◼
►
was the top eight people in each group
◼
►
then have this kind of head-to-head
◼
►
knockout contest so you're paired up
◼
►
with people now and there are these
◼
►
head-to-head battles so you were paired
◼
►
up with a woman called Jenny Murray
◼
►
of the woman's hour on BBC radio and
◼
►
that vote went along and you won that
◼
►
vote congratulations so you got to go
◼
►
through to the next stage I was paired
◼
►
up with someone very interesting I was
◼
►
paired up with a radio presenter called
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►
Chris Evans okay that's the name I know
◼
►
I know the name Chris Evans I don't know
◼
►
why but I know that name our American
◼
►
friends would know him because he
◼
►
presented top gear for a year just
◼
►
recently when the big top gear up he he
◼
►
was the guy that was brought in to try
◼
►
and save the show he's very very famous
◼
►
in the UK less famous elsewhere and
◼
►
funnily enough on that exact same day
◼
►
that I was paired up with him the BBC
◼
►
the big news story of the day in the UK
◼
►
was the BBC had been forced to release
◼
►
the salaries of all of their celebrities
◼
►
that earned over a hundred and fifty
◼
►
thousand pounds a year and Chris Evans
◼
►
came top of the list here and like
◼
►
something over 2 million pounds a year
◼
►
from the BBC so he was really really
◼
►
heavily in the news that day mm-hmm it
◼
►
was a big deal can you believe Chris
◼
►
Evans gets 2 million pounds of public
◼
►
money and all this sort of stuff and
◼
►
then the BBC were defending at saying
◼
►
look he hosts the most popular radio
◼
►
show on Europe's most popular radio
◼
►
station of course he's worth all this
◼
►
money and on the same day I was in this
◼
►
popularity contest with Chris Evans so
◼
►
this really amused me and most of my
◼
►
friends have no interest or don't even
◼
►
know about hello Internet so for me to
◼
►
be able to go on Facebook and say to my
◼
►
friend say look I'm in a popularity
◼
►
contest with Chris Evans who everyone
◼
►
knows that was like quite funny my
◼
►
friends were quite amused by that and lo
◼
►
and behold again thanks to the Tim's and
◼
►
probably thanks to the fact recipients
◼
►
was keeping a low media profile that day
◼
►
and was unlikely to tweet and ask all
◼
►
his fans to vote for him I don't see why
◼
►
but let's ignore that I won the vote
◼
►
like I I smashed Chris Evans so this was
◼
►
very amusing to me I think this allows
◼
►
you to officially put on your CV Brady
◼
►
Haran more popular than Chris F yes
◼
►
anyway so this was really funny and for
◼
►
me this was like my Wimbledon like Timmy
◼
►
I was like the journeyman tennis player
◼
►
in the early rounds of Wimbledon tennis
◼
►
tournament playing a high seed and
◼
►
winning and even though I don't win the
◼
►
tournament I was like a giant killer and
◼
►
I'd had my moment so anyway we went
◼
►
through to the next round
◼
►
I was paired up next time with my
◼
►
nemesis Greg James again this red here
◼
►
one presenter who I advised for second
◼
►
place with the first time around
◼
►
and I was like joking around on Twitter
◼
►
like saying I look at my nemesis but I
◼
►
didn't actually know that much about him
◼
►
to be honest like I knew he was like
◼
►
hello and that so I went to his
◼
►
Wikipedia page just to learn more about
◼
►
him and the Tim's had already beaten me
◼
►
there and in the part of Wikipedia page
◼
►
where it was like you write about that
◼
►
personal information it said his arch
◼
►
nemesis is Brady Haran the YouTube video
◼
►
creator and podcast he was officially
◼
►
vs. no I'm just like man I'm just
◼
►
laughing because it's like there's this
◼
►
virus there's like these minor pages of
◼
►
Wikipedia yeah I have seen editors that
◼
►
specifically reference like hello
◼
►
Internet vandalism reverted know what
◼
►
people are up to and again I would never
◼
►
encourage these hilarious edits on minor
◼
►
pages like it's not something that you
◼
►
should do with the Wikipedia but it's
◼
►
just like it just really I love the idea
◼
►
that this random person is enlisted as
◼
►
your heart anyway that was me and you
◼
►
were put up against this guy called
◼
►
Steve Allen who I have to admit again I
◼
►
wasn't familiar with but I learned is a
◼
►
very popular London talk show host and
◼
►
has been around for years and years and
◼
►
has won awards and you know good on him
◼
►
very big name in radio apparently okay
◼
►
I'll take your word for it
◼
►
hmm so you are winning against him and I
◼
►
was holding my own against Greg James
◼
►
and like the teams were getting involved
◼
►
and I saw coordination on reddit which
◼
►
led to the coining of two new terms both
◼
►
of which I quite like
◼
►
one is Tim work whom Tim's work together
◼
►
to make cently happen I like that that's
◼
►
great yeah and the other one was Tim
◼
►
those are great words that's fantastic
◼
►
so there was a lot of Tim work and Tim
◼
►
foolery going around and I believe
◼
►
scripts and algorithms were being
◼
►
written to try and ballot stuff and help
◼
►
us out I mean hey the website says vote
◼
►
early vote often like forty one yeah so
◼
►
anyway I went on to win my vote against
◼
►
my nemesis Greg James and that was
◼
►
setting up the much-anticipated and
◼
►
talked about final in Group D against
◼
►
you and everyone was so curious about
◼
►
what would happen when you and I were
◼
►
placed head-to-head and I already had
◼
►
all my jokes and gags and things I was
◼
►
going to do ready it was going to be so
◼
►
but Steve Allen supporters they got
◼
►
together on Facebook and elsewhere and
◼
►
they put in a really concerted effort
◼
►
and obviously you were oblivious to all
◼
►
this so you weren't trying to manipulate
◼
►
the process anyway well no I knew this
◼
►
thing was happening because you I'd seen
◼
►
it the day before get started but it was
◼
►
one of these things I quickly realized
◼
►
the last thing in the world that I want
◼
►
is to win this poll right so that's why
◼
►
I was like I'm gonna shut the hell up on
◼
►
Twitter like that's my strategy like I
◼
►
would I decided to close my mouth about
◼
►
this yeah well there were rumors
◼
►
abounded that you so didn't want to win
◼
►
that you were actually writing scripts
◼
►
and you were manipulating the vote in
◼
►
favor of Steve Allen I cannot comment on
◼
►
that well whatever the reason well Steve
◼
►
Allen came back and he won so that was
◼
►
the end of you I'm afraid you were
◼
►
knocked out yes thank you Steve Allen so
◼
►
to win Group D and this is going on at
◼
►
the moment I should point out for people
◼
►
listening so you're not going to get
◼
►
resolution in this podcast this is
◼
►
occurring live we're live podcasting
◼
►
about this so to win Group D it was me
◼
►
versus Steve Allen and like I have to
◼
►
say I didn't care about winning I didn't
◼
►
want to win I wanted you to win I wasn't
◼
►
competitive about it I wasn't too
◼
►
bothered I'd had my fun I had my moment
◼
►
with Chris Evans who was the only person
◼
►
in the list who was really really famous
◼
►
to me yeah and I'd beaten him so I felt
◼
►
like I'd had my fun and I had my moment
◼
►
and whatever happens happens
◼
►
yeah and I was keeping an eye on it from
◼
►
time to time because people were
◼
►
tweeting me and early on I was like a
◼
►
head and then Steve Allen was pegging me
◼
►
back and it was pretty much 50/50 and he
◼
►
seems to have these surges later that's
◼
►
what happened against you he had this
◼
►
late surge so I thought okay well he's
◼
►
gonna win he's obviously a big famous
◼
►
award-winning radio presenter and good
◼
►
luck to him but then someone pointed out
◼
►
to me a tweet that he had written and it
◼
►
kind of riled me up a little bit yeah so
◼
►
I came across this as well and I
◼
►
understand what you're sort of
◼
►
hesitating to say here because in like
◼
►
in this story I am totally with you it's
◼
►
like oh this has been like a funny thing
◼
►
but then Steve Allen tweets
◼
►
I'm through to the quarterfinals so we
◼
►
need to vote again on the
◼
►
Radio Times website it's another person
◼
►
I've never heard of please vote another
◼
►
person I've never heard of yet so this
◼
►
is referring to the both of us yeah as
◼
►
like it's somebody I've never heard of
◼
►
vote for me against this nobody that's
◼
►
what it sounds like it's kind of feels a
◼
►
bit that way doesn't know we're a couple
◼
►
of nobodies and go and vote for me a bit
◼
►
it totally does like always with tweets
◼
►
you know it's like you can't people are
◼
►
terrible at reading the thing the way
◼
►
someone means for it to be read yeah but
◼
►
when I came across this because now I'm
◼
►
in the position of I have nothing to
◼
►
worry about and it's you versus Steve
◼
►
Allen now in my mind this thing is
◼
►
totally switched because I feel like
◼
►
Steve Allen well guess what Steve Allen
◼
►
I don't know who the hell you are right
◼
►
but you you are not treating Brady with
◼
►
the respect he deserves and Dave and I
◼
►
want to see you crushed like I don't
◼
►
want to see Brady just win like I want
◼
►
to see you a crowned into the goddamn
◼
►
dust by a podcast with many many
◼
►
hundreds of thousands of followers right
◼
►
it's like somebody you've never heard of
◼
►
and what like you can't bother to type
◼
►
it into Google for two seconds to look
◼
►
up who dr. Brady Haran is like you can't
◼
►
figure this out you can't even look at
◼
►
this guy on Twitter who has way more
◼
►
Twitter followers than you like there's
◼
►
something about it which whether he
◼
►
intended or not like just comes off as
◼
►
incredibly dismissive and it's like it's
◼
►
because he's against you I feel really
◼
►
emotionally invested your victory over
◼
►
Steve Allen like I really do this guy
◼
►
I've never heard of but like I would
◼
►
never go on the internet and be like Oh
◼
►
Brady's got a beat some Rando I've never
◼
►
heard of just go vote right and in it
◼
►
assumptive way like something about it
◼
►
just drives me crazy and so like
◼
►
whatever you're gonna say I feel like I
◼
►
feel it ten times more than you do
◼
►
oh that's nice I tell you what gray he's
◼
►
heard of us now yeah I hope so
◼
►
so I don't know what's gonna happen I
◼
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don't know whether Steve Allen is going
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to defeat the both of us well here's the
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thing I don't know what's going to
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happen I can simply say at this very
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moment I have just checked the results
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and so far we have managed to push you
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into an 81 percent victory over 19
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percent for Steve Allen so so far we're
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doing pretty well I don't know when this
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round finishes but he's got quite a lead
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to overcome at this point and I'm I'm
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still going to be promoting this on
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Twitter like I want to see that
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disparity get as high as it can get
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I'm kinda hoping he gets a bit sour
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grapes about if it happens that way but
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I don't know what's gonna happen but I
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don't know when it ends it ends in a
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couple of days actually so it's gonna be
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a long battle this one but you know what
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couple of days it gives us plenty of
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time to push that up even higher yeah
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like keep going and keep cut but like
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okay so I feel like I sort of jumped in
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over you here because of the intensity
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of my emotion over this pointless and
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poorly rigged popularity contests that
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is a fartist that is entirely to
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generate money for a lowbrow TV Guide
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right the whole thing is just comical
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but like what is life if we don't get
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ridiculously upset over things that
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don't matter right no fun at all that's
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what it is but so I feel like I jumped
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in on this how do you feel Brady how
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does that tweet make you feel do you
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know what not really riled but there are
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you know among my many vices two of them
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are people treating new media with
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disrespect like old media like TV and
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radio people treating online video and
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podcasts disrespectful yeah like it's
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the second-class citizen I feel like
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he's done that a little bit and the
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other problem I have is like I do get a
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bit competitive about games this is why
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I don't play games like those read on
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that because I'm a little bit
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competitive I'd managed to completely
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Park that I was like I don't care I
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still don't care about like what happens
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when it goes to group a and B and D you
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there's some big famous people in there
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and I I hope they win like I don't care
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about winning but this one now
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like I've kind of got a little bit
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about and I'm like ah you know what now
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I do kind of want to win this one yeah
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I'm with you on that entirely yeah yeah
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and like if the other people in the
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other groups I'm sure they don't even
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care about this and I'm sure they're not
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kind of like tweek you know I'll look
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I'm against some nobody
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I don't even know what's happening and
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that's fine and you know they deserve to
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win because they're big famous popular
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people and this is just a popularity
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contest but this guy riled me a bit and
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so it has brought out a little bit of my
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competitive streak so I was saying to
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people come on you know help me out so
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when a big protective uncle gray weighed
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in and said let's crush this going to
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the grave I did feel like thanks man one
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of my favorite things I saw today a
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friend of ours Logan from who works for
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Ted ed and call me Ishmael
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of course he saw what was going on and
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he sent out a small message to some of
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his friends on slack and not only do I
◼
►
like that he was helping me out I also
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►
loved how he described the competition
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he wrote our pal Brady Haran from purely
◼
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videos in hello internet etc has
◼
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advanced to round four of the radio
◼
►
turns radio and quad cast Championships
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►
and then he wrote the contest is
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►
basically the Grammy Awards meets human
◼
►
of the year makes Twitter polls but
◼
►
bigger cast your vote here so I don't
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►
know what's gonna happen I don't know
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►
what's gonna happen but like I kind of
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►
wouldn't mind flying the flag for group
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D now just because of this but we'll see
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it's gonna be a long day and a half if
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we're gonna do it but I think we're
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►
gonna win but it's totally right that
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this does this does touch on this weird
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I don't even know how to put it but
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there is like this weird still dismissal
◼
►
stroke antagonism between old media like
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►
toward new media and particularly in the
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►
personalities and I don't know I feel
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►
like there's something that has really
◼
►
shifted here because I remember you and
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I a few years ago we used to have
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►
conversations about internet fame versus
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what I used to call real fame I was like
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oh there's real famous people and
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►
there's internet famous people yeah and
◼
►
while I do think that there are still
◼
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important differences between those two
◼
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levels and in terms of things like pure
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►
mission for example yeah I feel like
◼
►
with the with the changes that have
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happened over the past few years I feel
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►
like something has switched and now the
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►
now like internet fame feels more like
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►
the real Fame and old media or like
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►
movie or TV people they're famous in a
◼
►
way that is more widely recognizable but
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►
just somehow feels less real to me than
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►
internet fame I simply mean this in the
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way like when I think of the creators
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that I follow the people who are famous
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►
to me because I follow the work that
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yeah when I say it's more real I have
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►
this feeling like I have some better
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►
sense of who those people are and
◼
►
there's something that just feels very
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►
produced and artificial about old media
◼
►
creations and of course sometimes that's
◼
►
what you want like you want a movie to
◼
►
be an artificially created thing but I
◼
►
just I feel like there's something that
◼
►
has switched in my mind about these two
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►
things and I would never I would never
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►
use that phrase any more like real Fame
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►
to describe someone who is in movies
◼
►
it's just like internet fame now feels
◼
►
more real or it may be it's like it's
◼
►
more close is a better word to describe
◼
►
it I don't know it's just but it's like
◼
►
partly because I feel like the switch
◼
►
has happened in my mind I feel more
◼
►
riled when I see old media people be
◼
►
like casually dismissive of a thing and
◼
►
especially even like the incredibly
◼
►
broad audience of YouTube channels and
◼
►
podcasts it's it's like on the Internet
◼
►
you don't know who you're necessarily
◼
►
messing with when it's at like another
◼
►
internet creator because it's sometimes
◼
►
harder to find out like what our viewer
◼
►
listenership numbers so yeah it's just
◼
►
it just bothered me it really did bother
◼
►
me that tweeted riled me up well I've
◼
►
appreciated your support because I have
◼
►
no delusion that you that big popper
◼
►
weighing into the Twitter debate has
◼
►
certainly upped the ante someone I have
◼
►
to say though I don't entirely agree
◼
►
with what you said about the internet
◼
►
fame and I I don't think I'm completely
◼
►
on board with you like tell me what you
◼
►
mean well certainly going to this most
◼
►
recent VidCon because this was the first
◼
►
time I've been to VidCon since epoch
◼
►
oh god of course I feel my monster that
◼
►
it is yes I keep forgetting that this
◼
►
was your first VidCon yeah okay I went
◼
►
to like the second one when it was a bit
◼
►
more low-key but this was my first one
◼
►
where it was like yeah and certainly
◼
►
saying that like hysteria around teenage
◼
►
boy is being chased latter the Beatles
◼
►
was eye-opening for me and all this and
◼
►
all the screaming and stuff was
◼
►
something to behold yes don't think the
◼
►
world is a good way to put it yeah but I
◼
►
still feel like internet fame internet
◼
►
notoriety or whatever you want to call
◼
►
it is a step down like it is lower and
◼
►
it's fragmented across so many people
◼
►
now so it's diluted basically it's like
◼
►
more dilute Fame but what I think is
◼
►
happening is like you know the old radio
◼
►
presenters I think this is more like a
◼
►
backlash to because certainly the last
◼
►
six months or so podcasts have like
◼
►
exploded like it's just become massive
◼
►
now and radio people must be seeing this
◼
►
like they must be starting to think I
◼
►
hang on this is our Netflix this is our
◼
►
YouTube this is the thing that's gonna
◼
►
come and start hitting us hard exactly
◼
►
yeah so I imagine there's like a lot of
◼
►
hostility towards podcasts and I don't
◼
►
think like podcasters are going to
◼
►
become the new radio DJs because there's
◼
►
too many of us like there's too many of
◼
►
us to keep in your head like you're not
◼
►
going to become the old radio stars of
◼
►
the past but what's going to happen is
◼
►
the radio stars are just gonna like fade
◼
►
away you know the podcasts are gonna
◼
►
kill the radio star and people like this
◼
►
so you know I'm gonna sort of fade away
◼
►
and the recognition and the attention of
◼
►
people who consume audio is going to be
◼
►
just spread much much thinner I still
◼
►
don't think of you know people like you
◼
►
and I as like famous people we're just
◼
►
like you know people that are sharing a
◼
►
portion of this new way that people can
◼
►
give their attention there's many things
◼
►
in there but I couldn't help but look up
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►
what radio program Steve Allen hosts
◼
►
yeah and find what the listenership
◼
►
numbers are right and hello Internet has
◼
►
more listeners than his radio program
◼
►
does right it's just like it's an
◼
►
interesting thing just to see this
◼
►
immediate comparison and it's like yeah
◼
►
I agree with you that podcasts
◼
►
dilute radio the thing that's happening
◼
►
here is is like a lot of radio stuff has
◼
►
to be broader because you're trying to
◼
►
broadcast it to everybody in a country
◼
►
mmm like hello internet is not a podcast
◼
►
that I feel like oh is this podcast for
◼
►
everyone in the world like what but
◼
►
hello Internet make a great national
◼
►
broadcast like of course it wouldn't
◼
►
right it's not a thing that you would
◼
►
put on a national radio and be like hey
◼
►
guess what for an hour and a half we're
◼
►
gonna have these two guys talking about
◼
►
a trip to Greece and fish eating your
◼
►
feets right this is like it's just it's
◼
►
not something that you're going to do
◼
►
yeah but for the people who like it they
◼
►
really like it and I know like I feel
◼
►
that way about all the podcast and I
◼
►
listen to like I listen to all sorts of
◼
►
podcast none of which would make any
◼
►
kind of sense as a national broadcast
◼
►
but for the people who like those shows
◼
►
like they like them much more than they
◼
►
like something that's produced for
◼
►
everyone so I see that narrower content
◼
►
is almost always going to win out over
◼
►
something that is produced for a general
◼
►
audience and the thing that has just
◼
►
happened is I feel like podcasting has
◼
►
really gotten over some kind of hump
◼
►
where now it's easy enough for regular
◼
►
people to subscribe and listen to
◼
►
podcasts and so there's a big influx of
◼
►
audience who are finding the things that
◼
►
they really like that really suit their
◼
►
personality and their tastes and their
◼
►
sense of humor and is like yeah if I was
◼
►
working in radio of course I'd be
◼
►
worried because the listeners ship
◼
►
numbers that you have from something
◼
►
like radio it's just like traditional
◼
►
broadcast TV used to be but of course
◼
►
everybody used to watch a few shows
◼
►
because there was no choice whatsoever
◼
►
but in in the modern world like you have
◼
►
infinite amount of choice which means if
◼
►
you can find something that you like you
◼
►
probably really like that thing and you
◼
►
can fill your life up with a bunch of
◼
►
stuff that you really like as opposed to
◼
►
something that you just kind of like so
◼
►
yeah if I was radio I'd be worried I
◼
►
just went and looked at Steve Allen's
◼
►
Twitter and an hour ago he's just
◼
►
tweeted vote vote vote
◼
►
in capital letters I'm gonna retweet
◼
►
that to say I shared the sentiment
◼
►
retweet that I have to retweet that too
◼
►
yeah well none like him I'm gonna
◼
►
include the link to the place where you
◼
►
vote well yeah because you know how the
◼
►
internet works yeah of course all right
◼
►
where is he yeah there he is Steve Allen
◼
►
live update vote vote vote all right
◼
►
let me add a comment yep what do you
◼
►
guys think so the same thing I'm gonna
◼
►
say couldn't agree more dr. Brady Haran
◼
►
for the wind exclamation mark did you
◼
►
put the link yeah yeah I'm free the link
◼
►
in there we go great all right great
◼
►
you've gotta stay on the ball who's
◼
►
working for me you gotta see this arena
◼
►
oh yeah man I am I am here 110 percent
◼
►
buddy I'm here for you until the bitter
◼
►
bitter end and it's a great day only
◼
►
four great day oh yeah yes I don't care
◼
►
after this round whatever right but this
◼
►
is like cuz I feel a little big I feel a
◼
►
little bit guilty about like the
◼
►
technological expertise of the Tim's
◼
►
don't feel guilty about it at all
◼
►
because as far as I'm concerned this is
◼
►
exactly what the Radio Times wanted they
◼
►
wanted a gigantic click machine they
◼
►
left all the doors wide open for every
◼
►
possible way that you could click so as
◼
►
far as I'm concerned Radio Times is
◼
►
getting exactly what they wanted they'll
◼
►
be able to show their advertisers we had
◼
►
10 billion page views over the weekend
◼
►
right yeah they'll be able to sell that
◼
►
right along so far as I'm concerned
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I've been at the gym lately trying to
◼
►
get back on the horse again after
◼
►
falling off numerous times and I was
◼
►
having a discussion with my trainer the
◼
►
other day and it brought up something
◼
►
that I was curious to ask you and that
◼
►
is when you are doing like an exercise
◼
►
that involves counting like ten reps or
◼
►
twelve of them will do 20 of that do you
◼
►
count up or count down
◼
►
it's really interesting that you ask
◼
►
that Brady right because I have always
◼
►
counted up right but I have I don't know
◼
►
maybe a month ago I decided that that
◼
►
was the wrong way to do it yeah I should
◼
►
switch to counting down this seems like
◼
►
the better way to do it because it feels
◼
►
like more finality and more motivation
◼
►
to get to the end because then you're
◼
►
just keeping in your mind the number
◼
►
that's counting down you're not keeping
◼
►
in mind two things like counting up and
◼
►
the target that you're counting to you
◼
►
right you're a smart boy can you know
◼
►
hold that if not much information in
◼
►
your head it's not about that it's just
◼
►
about simplification it seems like this
◼
►
is the better way to do it it's not it's
◼
►
not of course Brady I can hold two
◼
►
pieces of information in my head at once
◼
►
but if I can hold just one piece of
◼
►
information in my head I would prefer to
◼
►
do that however I have found this is
◼
►
almost impossible to do
◼
►
I cannot mentally retrain myself to
◼
►
count down versus counting up like I
◼
►
keep mine constantly keep forgetting to
◼
►
do it or I find my internal count
◼
►
subroutine just wants to count up it
◼
►
just does is not designed to count in
◼
►
the opposite way so in my attempts to
◼
►
make something mentally simpler I have
◼
►
found that I have made it mentally
◼
►
impossible to do like I just cannot
◼
►
convince my brain to count down which
◼
►
way do you do it I definitely count up
◼
►
I prefer that too I haven't thought
◼
►
about the reasons but I'm gonna I'm
◼
►
about to speculate on it on the fly but
◼
►
I'm so into counting up that if my
◼
►
trainer counts down like towards the end
◼
►
like he used to go okay three two like
◼
►
so that's telling a philosophy I like
◼
►
tell him to stop I don't like it it just
◼
►
confuses me so he now knows not to speak
◼
►
he just says do do 10 silence no we talk
◼
►
a lot but just not to count mm-hm so
◼
►
like I count up and I don't like him to
◼
►
count with me event I think the reason I
◼
►
might like counting up is I like the
◼
►
idea that the thing I'm doing is growing
◼
►
a bank account growing or your scholar's
◼
►
wallboard growing like the numbers
◼
►
getting bigger and I'm achieving
◼
►
something look look now I've done five
◼
►
now done six the numbers getting bigger
◼
►
that's how strong and powerful I must be
◼
►
whereas if the if the number was
◼
►
diminishing I'd feel like I was just
◼
►
like hmm that's all going away I think
◼
►
that's why the count up happens because
◼
►
at least in my experience when you first
◼
►
tried to do any kind of exercise and you
◼
►
realize oh my arms are weak noodley
◼
►
appendages that could be nothing it's
◼
►
like oh wow lifting a bar above my head
◼
►
once this feels like a great
◼
►
accomplishment and then being able to do
◼
►
it twice that's why you start counting
◼
►
up I think that's why I started counting
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►
up without even thinking about it is you
◼
►
want to mark all of those achievements
◼
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yeah I just think further along in the
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exercise routine now that I can do like
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five sets of five of an exercise it
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feels like the counting down is is the
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more correct way to do it but yeah I
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totally get you want to mark your
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achievements especially in the beginning
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when you were making very poor progress
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yeah another thing we were talking about
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was how much people like to know like
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for example when some people doing like
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the planks and things are that way you
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time it some of his clients don't like
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to be told the time at all they just
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want to be told at the end all right
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stop you learn the linen weaved other
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ones like tonight okay it's 5 seconds 10
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seconds 15 seconds and another thing he
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said was some people don't want to know
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how much weights been put on the bar
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like he'll put the things on there and
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say okay we're gonna do 10 reps you know
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and he wouldn't even tell them what the
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weight is and other people are really
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into it they want to know exactly what
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they're lifting and hours at our counts
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45 is okay right I say what about you I
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imagine you you quite like the
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information I would imagine when I was
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working in a very limited way with my
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trainer I found all of these additional
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things I just didn't I didn't like I
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didn't like any of these extra exercises
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I felt like I'm here to do a very simple
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and very narrow thing so I want to make
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sure that I'm not hurting myself on the
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exercises that I'm doing yeah like my
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trainer was trying to sell me on a bunch
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of like hey let's do these routines
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because you know we want to complicate
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to profit and have you here all the time
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me feeling like I want to extract
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►
knowledge from you and then be done with
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you right was was my my feeling of how
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this interaction should go I'll just say
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that I I felt very aware that on the
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times that my trainer was getting me to
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do like the routines that he wanted to
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do I felt like there were always like
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tricks being pulled like I don't think
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you're reporting the amount of time or
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weight accurately to me I think you're
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reporting it in a way that makes me feel
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better about what I'm accomplishing and
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I don't need any of these tricks I don't
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►
want to know that that's my feeling
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about it I think you're a little bit too
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distrustful there but yeah
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oh yeah you don't you don't think any
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trainers would pull tricks to make you
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feel better about cutting down the
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seconds a little bit so you feel like
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you accomplished something
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I think trainers would do that well
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maybe they do that they certainly try to
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boost your confidence and encourage you
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but I don't think that's like a bad
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thing but I mean yeah I guess I'd go to
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a trainer for a different reason to you
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I mean of course I could just go and do
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all the exercises myself but the problem
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►
is I won't do it unless I have like an
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►
appointment and someone making me do it
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►
for an hour a if I don't have an
◼
►
appointment I probably won't go and if I
◼
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do go I'll just watch cricket on the TV
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and skive off after 15 minutes and get a
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Chinese on the way home basically think
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►
of there was this gym my parents old
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►
place in North Carolina that had a bagel
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shop in the gym right at the entry I
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used to wonder like I bet there's a a
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non-trivial number of people who say I'm
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►
going to the gym they go in they get a
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nice breakfast bagel and orange juice
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jump on it for a while and then just go
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►
home I bet that bagel shop tat up did a
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►
pretty good profit of people just
◼
►
turning around and feeling like well I
◼
►
tried I went to the gym I didn't make it
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inside of course but I made it to this
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suspiciously placed bagel shop which is
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right at the entry another thing I do is
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if I'm doing an exercise that's quite
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►
difficult and I know I'm gonna be really
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►
pushing it to get to the end like he
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says like I do 12 reps of this and it's
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►
something really heavy I will sometimes
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break it into two lots of six in my head
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I'll count up to six and then I'll do
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►
another six mm-hmm I guess it's just
◼
►
making things achievable yeah it's like
◼
►
any goal Brady you got to break it down
◼
►
achieve Abul parts because 12:12 the
◼
►
number too big for any mortal but two
◼
►
sets of six that might just be
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accomplishable or another thing is that
◼
►
makes me realize how psychological it is
◼
►
is how often the number he sets is my
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►
like okay you have to do seven at this
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►
really high way and the seventh one is
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►
like oh well I couldn't have done eight
◼
►
it would have been physically impossible
◼
►
that was my absolute limit but if he'd
◼
►
said to do eight it would have been the
◼
►
same thing but your body just like knows
◼
►
the finish line and like just falls over
◼
►
the finish line each time yeah yeah I
◼
►
want to be clear to any any Tim's who
◼
►
are listening who want to get on the
◼
►
fitter Tron lifestyle even though I have
◼
►
a particularly weird relationship with
◼
►
my trainer that was also extremely
◼
►
temporary I am again the first to
◼
►
acknowledge that if you want to do this
◼
►
kind of stuff like I highly recommend
◼
►
that you get a trainer because I was
◼
►
super aware of that effect to that the
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►
number he would mention would be the
◼
►
breaking point but it would also very
◼
►
often be further than I I would have
◼
►
been able to do if it was just me in the
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►
gym if it was just me thinking like oh
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►
instead of doing five reps I'm gonna try
◼
►
to do seven like I would never have been
◼
►
able to do seven but when he says do
◼
►
seven there is also that effect of like
◼
►
you're with another person and you want
◼
►
to try to do the thing so it's like it
◼
►
is definitely way more effective to have
◼
►
the person there but yeah I also found
◼
►
that effect very noticeable and very
◼
►
funny that I could always just barely
◼
►
achieve the thing that the trainer had
◼
►
said and I don't think it's because
◼
►
trainers are preternatural and their
◼
►
ability to predict exactly what your
◼
►
breaking point is I think there's
◼
►
something psychological about pushing
◼
►
yourself toward a limit that another
◼
►
person has specified what's your finish
◼
►
on five thousand set up at the moment
◼
►
what are you doing oh man so okay so
◼
►
here's the thing here's the thing that I
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►
find a little depressing I've been in
◼
►
America for six weeks very very long
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►
time America as we know streets are
◼
►
paved with donuts mm-hmm but more than
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►
that one of the problems that I have
◼
►
with traveling is that okay so in my
◼
►
regular routine I use freeway
◼
►
to do like bench presses and squats and
◼
►
this kind of stuff like this again very
◼
►
very low weights like I'm not doing
◼
►
anything impressive but I have found for
◼
►
me those are the exercises that I stick
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►
with the most that also have the most
◼
►
obvious impact for the minimum amount of
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►
time that I can possibly put in don't
◼
►
say the weights are low gray I always
◼
►
think it makes you sound like an awesome
◼
►
gorilla when you say I had to first seek
◼
►
professional advice to make sure I
◼
►
wasn't hurting myself it makes it sound
◼
►
like you're pulling planes with your
◼
►
teeth and lifting up cars with your bare
◼
►
hands yeah but that's exactly why I want
◼
►
to specify two people the weights are
◼
►
low because when they see my noodley
◼
►
body in person it's like wait a minute I
◼
►
thought you lifted weights and like yes
◼
►
they're very sad oh I thought maybe you
◼
►
were gonna say yeah I'm saying the
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►
weights are low just for other people's
◼
►
safety when in fact I'm just lifting
◼
►
incredible amounts that would kill a
◼
►
normal human like it's almost like a
◼
►
public safety reason that you're saying
◼
►
you live low weights when in fact you
◼
►
are lifting cars I wish that was the
◼
►
case but so I build up the weight very
◼
►
slowly over time because I'm just there
◼
►
in the gym myself so I want to be
◼
►
cautious again about injuring myself and
◼
►
so like my progression is
◼
►
extraordinarily slow but then what
◼
►
happens is over the summer it's way
◼
►
harder to get access while traveling to
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►
the kind of equipment that I'm normally
◼
►
using and so for six weeks I've been
◼
►
trying to exercise using crappy gym
◼
►
equipment essentially and you know
◼
►
you're going to get the machines at best
◼
►
to try to replicate some of the
◼
►
exercises that you do and I felt like I
◼
►
thought over the summer I was doing a
◼
►
pretty good job of probably maintaining
◼
►
my level of strength using resistance
◼
►
machines but just just two days ago
◼
►
after having finally come back from
◼
►
America and getting into my regular gym
◼
►
and getting back to the regular
◼
►
equipment I discovered that I was
◼
►
basically starting again from zero
◼
►
because those machines in the gym that
◼
►
just do one motion if you just don't
◼
►
realize how much they're helping you in
◼
►
the way that you don't have to use all
◼
►
kinds of stabilizing muscles you don't
◼
►
have to use any other part of your body
◼
►
it's like oh I'm doing a bench press on
◼
►
this machine it's like I'm literally
◼
►
muscles exactly and nothing else what's
◼
►
the benefit of those machines then is it
◼
►
the fact that you can really target a
◼
►
muscle la la I think the benefit of
◼
►
those machines is that it's less likely
◼
►
that people are going to injure
◼
►
themselves in a gym and so the insurance
◼
►
costs are lower like I think okay if I
◼
►
had to wager something I would wager
◼
►
that's why they're there oh so if I went
◼
►
to a gym and all their head was free
◼
►
weights I would think what am I paying
◼
►
for just a whole bunch of lumps of metal
◼
►
right have you not spent anything you
◼
►
know what I would believe that I would
◼
►
believe that that's an effect that
◼
►
people want to see a bunch of equipment
◼
►
because I feel actually like I've even
◼
►
kind of fallen for that because again in
◼
►
America when I've gone into gyms I feel
◼
►
like I'm Way more impressed by the gyms
◼
►
that have like a ton of equipment hmm
◼
►
even though I'm trying to walk to the
◼
►
very back of the gym to find the one
◼
►
free weight area and I want to skip all
◼
►
the rest of it but I still feel like I'm
◼
►
psychologically influenced by the
◼
►
existence of all of those machines even
◼
►
though I don't necessarily think that
◼
►
they're super beneficial for me my
◼
►
feeling is like I'm a little bit
◼
►
disappointed because I thought strength
◼
►
wise I had done a much better job of
◼
►
maintaining but I'm essentially starting
◼
►
over again from zero with the actual
◼
►
free weights because this is like oh man
◼
►
I am dramatically overestimated where I
◼
►
could continue from and so I'm building
◼
►
it back up but I don't mind because
◼
►
again I feel like the travelling was
◼
►
necessary and just like we're always
◼
►
saying with the fit of Tron lifestyle I
◼
►
feel like it's all about just getting
◼
►
back on all the time like as long as you
◼
►
as long as you're willing to continually
◼
►
get back on that's what really matters
◼
►
as opposed to any absolute position at
◼
►
any point in time do you get affected by
◼
►
the presence and the makeup and the
◼
►
demographics and the number of other
◼
►
people who are in the gym when you go
◼
►
like will you go into the free weights
◼
►
section and if there's like a bunch of
◼
►
huge bodybuilders doing awesome things
◼
►
will you just like sneak away because
◼
►
you're a bit embarrassed to be noodle
◼
►
man or are you completely oblivious to
◼
►
who's there and what who's doing what my
◼
►
only care is how many people are in the
◼
►
gym in terms of can I get access to the
◼
►
equipment right so I have strategically
◼
►
figured out the times when the fewest
◼
►
people are in the gym and I arrange my
◼
►
whole schedule around that right because
◼
►
it's like an immovable externality in my
◼
►
but the thing I found really interesting
◼
►
and again I want to specify to anybody
◼
►
who's thinking of going to the gym is I
◼
►
have found the super muscley guys
◼
►
nothing but the nicest guys in the world
◼
►
at least at least in my gym like it's
◼
►
not a lot of interaction but on
◼
►
occasions that I've had interactions
◼
►
it's always just like oh yeah they're
◼
►
super happy to see other people in the
◼
►
gym exercising like always very nice so
◼
►
I've never felt intimidated by any of
◼
►
those people if anything I always feel
◼
►
just super impressed because I have a
◼
►
much better sense now of how much work
◼
►
and effort that really represents in a
◼
►
way that I never had before I think I
◼
►
just have a much better sense for when I
◼
►
see a guy who's really built up his body
◼
►
it's like that is a lot of work two
◼
►
thumbs up to you dude fair enough
◼
►
are you intimidated by them Brady I am
◼
►
affected by how many people are in the
◼
►
gym and I don't like making a spectacle
◼
►
of myself so you don't throw the the
◼
►
weights down on the floor and you go
◼
►
hard as they make a big bashing sound
◼
►
yeah and also like even with my trainer
◼
►
he's now learnt like if I'm doing
◼
►
something that is likely to turn
◼
►
people's heads just because it involves
◼
►
eye catching motion or noise I want to
◼
►
do that like hidden away like if I'm
◼
►
doing something as simple as box jumps I
◼
►
don't want to do that out in the middle
◼
►
of the gym in a public area he knows I
◼
►
just don't like yeah that kind of stuff
◼
►
I would hate I would hate to do yeah I'm
◼
►
with there are certain exercises I won't
◼
►
do like I won't do like you know when
◼
►
you could hold weights at your side and
◼
►
you do lunges but you like walk across
◼
►
the gym oh yes no no I won't know that
◼
►
I'll do lunges on the spot but I'm not
◼
►
going to be that guy walking across the
◼
►
gym doing lunges like down the aisle in
◼
►
front of everyone and stuff I'm like no
◼
►
I don't want to be looked at I'm not
◼
►
quite sure I obviously I'm not a shy
◼
►
person but I don't know at the gym I
◼
►
don't like being a spectacle I just want
◼
►
to be in my corner do my stuff yeah yeah
◼
►
I'd veto a spectacle exercises as well
◼
►
can I just do a little bit of sports
◼
►
Ball corner so I just thought I'd sneak
◼
►
that in it's a question that immediately
◼
►
rolls into the start of sports ball
◼
►
it's really a question its but I of
◼
►
course Brady of course go ahead with
◼
►
sports ball corner because it starts
◼
►
with a little little sports spoke on a
◼
►
sequel that I thought you would
◼
►
because we talked about this golfer who
◼
►
lost a big tournament because she had
◼
►
marked her bowl incorrectly on the green
◼
►
and put it back like a centimeter in the
◼
►
wrong place and she got this huge
◼
►
draconian penalty and it cost her an
◼
►
entire tournament and I thought that was
◼
►
really unfair right right
◼
►
as a result they actually changed some
◼
►
of the guidelines in golf to give people
◼
►
running tournaments a bit of discretion
◼
►
lo and behold there was another big
◼
►
tournament recently that was one there
◼
►
was the Irish Open this was a men's to
◼
►
on him at this time the exact same thing
◼
►
happened there was a slight miss placing
◼
►
of a bowl that was discovered very minor
◼
►
I don't it doesn't affect the results
◼
►
for my opinion and I think sanity
◼
►
prevailed and he wasn't penalized and he
◼
►
won the tournament okay he won the
◼
►
torn-up by six shots anyway but but
◼
►
anyway another golfer took to Twitter to
◼
►
complain about this you know what I
◼
►
could describe as a very gray like
◼
►
response that I thought you would
◼
►
Jimmy Walker replied to the European
◼
►
nice enforcement of the rules of golf
◼
►
and then he followed up with a second
◼
►
tweet saying if we don't have rules then
◼
►
we have nothing and that desmet of
◼
►
grayness to me I thought I thought you
◼
►
would appreciate that I do I mean the
◼
►
rules are civilization that's that's how
◼
►
everything holds together I agree with
◼
►
that but from your description it sounds
◼
►
like discretion was built into the rules
◼
►
so I'm not I'm not sure that this is a
◼
►
case where that's a violation how can
◼
►
you have like discretion in rules though
◼
►
like basically what's happening is you
◼
►
have now have flexible rows where it
◼
►
could be enforced or not enforced
◼
►
depending on a human decision don't get
◼
►
me wrong I don't like the discretion
◼
►
right like if I was in charge of any
◼
►
kind of sports body I would work to
◼
►
remove the discretion as much as
◼
►
possible in every step in every way but
◼
►
nonetheless what I'm what I'm saying is
◼
►
if the rules as currently written have a
◼
►
place where there is room for human
◼
►
discretion the players are operating
◼
►
within those rules yeah
◼
►
that is what is happening but there's a
◼
►
meta question here about should you have
◼
►
rules where there are human discretion
◼
►
and I think you end up having
◼
►
essentially human discretion results
◼
►
when there's no technological solution
◼
►
and so like before you have replay
◼
►
cameras you have to have umpires making
◼
►
decisions on the spot because otherwise
◼
►
the game would take a thousand hours to
◼
►
play out so then that's what I mean it's
◼
►
like I'm fine with it if it's written
◼
►
into the rules but on a meta level we
◼
►
should work overtime to reduce the human
◼
►
discretion in sports games because it's
◼
►
just like it it feels like ultimately a
◼
►
human discretion call has to have some
◼
►
element of unfairness because it depends
◼
►
on so many things happening at that
◼
►
exact instant I mean a statement from
◼
►
the people who make the rules of golf
◼
►
and oversee golf is quite telling but
◼
►
also could lead to problems it says
◼
►
players should not be held to the degree
◼
►
of precision that can sometimes be
◼
►
provided by video technology and like on
◼
►
the face of it that seems quite a
◼
►
reasonable statement you know no I don't
◼
►
ok I don't agree with that at all that
◼
►
reasonable in the slightest no no that's
◼
►
a rule that's rejecting the available
◼
►
technology I don't like that one tiny
◼
►
bit no but like basically the context of
◼
►
this is though it's not saying you know
◼
►
who crossed the line first in a race
◼
►
let's look at the video to know once and
◼
►
for all this is about things like
◼
►
replacing your bowl you know you pick up
◼
►
the ball and like wipe the grass off it
◼
►
can you put it back in the exact same
◼
►
spot that you picked it up from like a
◼
►
video will show actually it was half a
◼
►
millimeter to the left of where you just
◼
►
put it down players aren't robots they
◼
►
yeah ok physically can't do that I'll
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agree with that one that seems fair but
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here the technological limitation is the
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human eye right we're conceding that the
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resolution of the human eye and and
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memory for exact placement has limits
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so yeah I can go along with that that
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seems okay to me but then it does open
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this blurry line like ok how much can
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you be wrong by can you be wrong by 3
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millimeters can you be wrong by 5
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millimeters or can you just be wrong by
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whatever Jeff the rules man says on the
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day anyway what this is making me think
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of is I may have told this before but
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ages and ages ago when I was merely
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training to be a teacher there was this
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big list of boxes that we need to tick
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and I mean quite literally
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several hundred there was either like
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things you need to do to demonstrate
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evidence for your becoming a teacher
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mm-hmm and I'll never forget this
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►
conversation that I had with my advisor
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that essentially boiled down to I was
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like okay how many of these boxes do I
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she was says it would be great if you
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could take all of the boxes that's like
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okay yes I understand it would be great
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if I could take all of the boxes but
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what's the minimum number of boxes I
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could tick and you would still certify
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me as a teacher right it's like she she
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just would not give me an answer about
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that but it's like of course you want to
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know like what is the biggest boundary
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that I can push and yes I can
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immediately see that next year if the
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rule is the ball can be placed within
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the range of the human ability to
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determine what is the exact same spot I
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would be the guy who as a golfer who'd
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be saying the same thing like okay
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obviously I can't put it down the exact
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►
same spot but if I put it down a
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centimeter away is that still a good
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right and like they're not gonna want to
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whatever they're thinking in there and
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that would become the new norm Yeah
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right exactly it was like so I can move
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the ball a centimeter each time is that
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►
what you're saying and they're like no
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no you can't do it on purpose is like no
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of course not on purpose but like
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there's gotta be some number so it just
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►
it feels like the same situation again
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►
well great I enjoy your perspective on
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sporting controversies and incidents I'm
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►
glad you do there was one that came up
◼
►
earlier this year though I also I'm just
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►
dying to hear your opinion on and it
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►
happened so long ago that I thought I'd
◼
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kind of missed my opportunity to ask you
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►
about it but it came up again in the
◼
►
news recently because of like ongoing
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►
action and it gives me a second bite of
◼
►
the cherry so I want to tell you about
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►
this other story that happened and just
◼
►
to get your perspective because it
◼
►
always illuminates me so what happened
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►
was at the start of this year there was
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a football match in the UK a soccer
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►
match and I won't go into the reasons
◼
►
why but there's one or two knockout
◼
►
tournaments in the UK we're really
◼
►
really lowly teams that bordering on
◼
►
amateur if not completely amateur get to
◼
►
play against the big professional teams
◼
►
in the early rounds and it's like it's
◼
►
always a big treat for them they hardly
◼
►
ever win if they win it becomes massive
◼
►
but it's always a big occasion Oh
◼
►
you know this lowly group of footballers
◼
►
who are plumbers and carpenters and that
◼
►
are playing against all the millionaire
◼
►
superstars this week can they beat them
◼
►
they normally get crushed sometimes
◼
►
sometimes they went really anyway it's
◼
►
always very romantic and the media gets
◼
►
very carried away with it when these
◼
►
random draws happen that allow this to
◼
►
happen happened this year at the start
◼
►
of the year this lowly team called
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►
Sutton United got to play against the
◼
►
millionaire superstars from Arsenal so
◼
►
there was all this there are all these
◼
►
profile pieces and media stories before
◼
►
the game about all the players for
◼
►
Sutton how they're all amateurs and how
◼
►
they're all these you know just normal
◼
►
chaps and they're getting to have their
◼
►
big day in the Sun and the thing the
◼
►
media really fell in love is was the
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►
fact that Sutton United's goalkeeping
◼
►
coach and also like their reserve
◼
►
goalkeeper in a way like if their
◼
►
goalkeeper got injured he was the guy
◼
►
that would come on in an emergency was
◼
►
this guy called Wayne Shaw and basically
◼
►
he seems like a nice guy
◼
►
but he's like very he's overweight he
◼
►
doesn't he doesn't look like a sportsman
◼
►
he's big he's a big fat guy and he's
◼
►
like a character of the club and I think
◼
►
he was also responsible for like you
◼
►
know cleaning the toilets or locking the
◼
►
gates and stuff you know he was like a
◼
►
salt of the earth important guy for the
◼
►
club that they all loved but he also
◼
►
happened to be their reserve goalkeeper
◼
►
in an emergency would he get to come on
◼
►
and play if there was an injury you get
◼
►
the picture but another thing that
◼
►
happens in the UK around sport is the
◼
►
betting markets the companies that take
◼
►
bets love creating publicity for
◼
►
themselves of course and one of them
◼
►
started a betting market on whether or
◼
►
not because this guy Wayne Shaw would be
◼
►
sitting on the bench for the whole game
◼
►
unless you had to play which was
◼
►
unlikely while he was sitting on the
◼
►
bench would this guy eat a pie a meat
◼
►
pie because like the thing you do at a
◼
►
football match if you're in the fan is
◼
►
you eat these small meat pies which I
◼
►
know I know they're not a big deal in
◼
►
America these sort of handheld sized
◼
►
pies full of mate but that's what you
◼
►
ate at a cold football game in England
◼
►
yeah only in a pie haha we'll give you
◼
►
these odds that he will or he might and
◼
►
they gave some ridiculous odds yeah I
◼
►
think just to be clear for the Americans
◼
►
like you need to understand that there's
◼
►
like a small handheld
◼
►
thing all right this is not like a like
◼
►
a cream pie or a big fruit pie now it's
◼
►
like yeah it's like a small half muffin
◼
►
it's a it's a very small thing but it's
◼
►
an unhealthy thing to it it's an
◼
►
unhealthy things eat and the word pie is
◼
►
just a funny word yeah and also pies are
◼
►
traditionally associated with like
◼
►
overweight people like yeah like a mean
◼
►
chart that people do is you know who ate
◼
►
all the pies who ate all the part as it
◼
►
was you because you're overweight so pie
◼
►
is that the stereotypical thing to say
◼
►
it if that person will eat so anyway
◼
►
towards the end of this game Arsenal won
◼
►
the game as expected the goalkeeping guy
◼
►
didn't have to come on because there was
◼
►
no injury so he set on the bench the
◼
►
whole game about 5-10 minutes before I
◼
►
can tell you eight minutes before the
◼
►
this guy Wayne sure eats of pie say sup
◼
►
someone passes in my pie is obviously
◼
►
going along with the joke and there's
◼
►
all these pictures and footage of him
◼
►
eating a pie and for like the first few
◼
►
hours it was really funny and it became
◼
►
the big funny story of the game because
◼
►
otherwise it was just a pretty boring
◼
►
game a big famous team beat a lowly
◼
►
little team but there's also a lot of
◼
►
like controversy around betting on sport
◼
►
literally in the UK and things being
◼
►
rigged like you know if someone said you
◼
►
know we're gonna win three nil and you
◼
►
rigged the game to win three nil that
◼
►
people could go to prison for that but
◼
►
should there be a scandal about a guy
◼
►
eating a pie like he knew this thing
◼
►
existed these bets existed when he made
◼
►
the decision to eat the pie he was like
◼
►
affecting the outcome and apparently
◼
►
some people won very large amounts of
◼
►
money because he ate the pie no I'm
◼
►
thinking I hope he bet on him eating a
◼
►
pie right like I want this guy to be a
◼
►
millionaire it would definitely be
◼
►
illegal for him to it would be illegal
◼
►
for him or people he was conspiring with
◼
►
to rig a betting market lada anyway who
◼
►
couldn't that's happen offshore like
◼
►
this I feel like there's a way to get
◼
►
this guy is pie money well you're quite
◼
►
right I think some people believe maybe
◼
►
he did conspire with people to make
◼
►
money I don't know but in the end he got
◼
►
in so much trouble from the football
◼
►
authorities he had to resign this guy
◼
►
that everyone at the club loves who
◼
►
paints the Lions and locks the gates and
◼
►
has loves the club with his heart and so
◼
►
he had to resign he's like being
◼
►
charged under football rules and he's in
◼
►
a whole bunch of trouble it's called pi
◼
►
gate it's this huge scandal that is like
◼
►
rolling on and I don't know what to
◼
►
think about it because if he didn't eat
◼
►
the pie he would have been affecting the
◼
►
marker as well once he knew this was
◼
►
happening he had sole control over
◼
►
whether he ate the pie or not it's not
◼
►
like he was out on the field and could
◼
►
you know didn't have total control over
◼
►
whether a girl was caught or not he had
◼
►
total control over whether he did or
◼
►
didn't eat the pie yeah I don't know
◼
►
what to think I want it I want you to
◼
►
well it just sounds like a big pile of
◼
►
bullshit because what it sounds like
◼
►
because first of all this whole
◼
►
situation is hilarious so there's an
◼
►
element of why don't we all just calm
◼
►
the hell down everybody and second of
◼
►
all you're right like as soon as the
◼
►
betting market is created we're in
◼
►
action triggers a betting results it's
◼
►
like well it doesn't matter what he does
◼
►
heats of pi he doesn't need to PI he
◼
►
goes to the game he doesn't show up to
◼
►
the game like all all of this now
◼
►
affects bets one way or the other
◼
►
yeah so what's a guy supposed to do and
◼
►
I feel like this hero knew what he was
◼
►
supposed to do he did the funniest thing
◼
►
which is to eat a pie so yeah like you
◼
►
put a man in a no-win situation he does
◼
►
something funny hopefully he's a secret
◼
►
millionaire offshore in the Bahamas for
◼
►
his actions but he's caught up in in
◼
►
some PI gate scandal like this seems
◼
►
crazy to me is this feels like people
◼
►
are too upset about a thing and the
◼
►
guy's in a no-win situation and having
◼
►
him resign from from his position it's
◼
►
like makes me angry Brady that's how I
◼
►
feel about that yeah the odds were 8 to
◼
►
1 you could put an 8 to 1 bet on him
◼
►
eating a pie mm-hmm just for
◼
►
clarification I'm pretty sure I don't
◼
►
know this for sure but I'm pretty sure
◼
►
you couldn't place a bet on him not
◼
►
eating a pie like that wasn't a bet you
◼
►
could place I don't think but presumably
◼
►
the betting company that was setting the
◼
►
odds would make money if he didn't eat
◼
►
the pie because all the people who
◼
►
placed bets would lose their wager yeah
◼
►
exactly he could he could have been
◼
►
equally in trouble from people saying
◼
►
are you were in cahoots with the betting
◼
►
company you deliberately didn't eat the
◼
►
pie so they could keep all those wages
◼
►
and he'd get in trouble for that as well
◼
►
in action causes and effects anyway
◼
►
right so god it's yeah this feels
◼
►
ridiculous to me and look maybe the man
◼
►
just want to eat a pie right well he was
◼
►
hungry he insisted afterwards that none
◼
►
of his friends had profited from the
◼
►
stunt and he only consumed a snack for
◼
►
quote a bit of banter as they love to
◼
►
say in the UK sure said this was a quote
◼
►
from him immediately after the game a
◼
►
few of the lads said to me early on
◼
►
what's going on with 8 to 1 about eating
◼
►
a pie and I said I don't know I've eaten
◼
►
nothing all day so I might give it a go
◼
►
later on I thought it would give them a
◼
►
bit of banter but the FA and gambling
◼
►
Commission failed to see the funny side
◼
►
and launched investigations the
◼
►
integrity in sport is not a joke
◼
►
said Richard Watson enforcement and
◼
►
intelligence director at the gambling
◼
►
Commission no hope this sounds like a
◼
►
fun guy great um a sort of related thing
◼
►
is I just I don't understand a lot of
◼
►
laws around like gambling and investing
◼
►
it's just sometimes they feel like laws
◼
►
that are kind of nannying laws like oh
◼
►
they're for your own good like oh you're
◼
►
not allowed to place bets or gamble
◼
►
regularly but you can do it with these
◼
►
various companies that we sanctioned
◼
►
like this this is a whole bunch of
◼
►
complications around the stuff that I
◼
►
just don't like anyway why shouldn't
◼
►
people be able to bet on whatever they
◼
►
want to bet on why is that wrong you
◼
►
know like if people want to set up a
◼
►
betting market for hello Internet like
◼
►
why would that be wrong about we know
◼
►
whether or not sports ball corner shows
◼
►
up in an episode what is wrong with
◼
►
people doing like a like a private wager
◼
►
on something like that I don't I don't
◼
►
well obviously the problem is it can be
◼
►
manipulated and cheated and if you and I
◼
►
found out about it and placed bets and
◼
►
then just cut sports poor corner so we
◼
►
could profit like that would be
◼
►
profitable it feels kind of wrong but
◼
►
like like I don't think this bet should
◼
►
have existed like you said it was like a
◼
►
no-win situation and there weren't two
◼
►
parties to the yeah you know what that's
◼
►
that that's actually a really good point
◼
►
because it's like the sanction cuz
◼
►
there's like these sanction companies in
◼
►
the UK that allowed the sports Spedding
◼
►
that I don't fully understand exactly
◼
►
how they work but in the UK you're
◼
►
allowed to bet on foreign elections like
◼
►
you can bet on the US presidential
◼
►
election results for example I'm just
◼
►
kind of vaguely wondering last time
◼
►
about the legality of
◼
►
so an American citizen you're not
◼
►
allowed to bet on the presidential
◼
►
election which seems like it's spoiling
◼
►
the fun but I just wanted like in an
◼
►
American citizen bet on a election while
◼
►
abroad like is that legally okay is that
◼
►
not legally okay I don't know whatever
◼
►
but nonetheless these companies exist
◼
►
that are allowed to create the bets that
◼
►
people can bet on and so it feels like
◼
►
well wait a minute yeah I think you're
◼
►
right Brady I feel like this this
◼
►
company is actually at fault because
◼
►
they're the ones that created this
◼
►
ridiculous bet like you got sanctioned
◼
►
to be the official holders of what can
◼
►
be better what cannot be bets and you
◼
►
messed it up by making this stupid pie
◼
►
bet your fault I think the company that
◼
►
made the pie bet they should resign from
◼
►
their ability to have the license for
◼
►
sports gambling that's what I think hmm
◼
►
shut him down I do see the problem with
◼
►
comment earlier because obviously you
◼
►
could bet on whether Usain Bolt will run
◼
►
100 meters in under 10 seconds and he
◼
►
could affect that presumably
◼
►
without another party but like there are
◼
►
sanctions for that too but yeah it's
◼
►
difficult d gamble grade you ever bet on
◼
►
things when i gamble i gamble big so
◼
►
I'll buy lottery tickets but I find most
◼
►
gambling is too small stakes to be of
◼
►
interest to me when you said that I
◼
►
thought what do you buy like a thousand
◼
►
pounds with the fluttery tickets or
◼
►
I does mean like the the payoff has to
◼
►
be really big in order for me to be
◼
►
interested in the gambling because
◼
►
otherwise it feels like oh I'm just
◼
►
putting money into a machine that is
◼
►
guaranteed to skim some money off the
◼
►
top and give it back to me obviously
◼
►
lottery tickets do the same thing but I
◼
►
feel like I'm happy to pay the skimming
◼
►
fee in order to get a potentially big
◼
►
reward so that's that's me go big or go
◼
►
home with gambling that's my rule have
◼
►
you bought lottery tickets lately
◼
►
because I know that in a your happiness
◼
►
barometer is it has been a long long
◼
►
time since I bought a lottery ticket so
◼
►
that's good I haven't bought a lottery
◼
►
ticket him probably a couple years
◼
►
actually oh that means you're happy
◼
►
basically since hello internet started
◼
►
yes that's right since hello internet
◼
►
started and I've I get to talk to you
◼
►
every two weeks my life has been filled
◼
►
with rainbows and happiness all the time
◼
►
I wonder if there's a
◼
►
market going on at the moment for Brady
◼
►
Haran versus Steve Allen I know where
◼
►
not I thought you're being very
◼
►
unresponsive I'm calling you back and
◼
►
then I'll find out when you dropped out
◼
►
I'm just talking to myself now