Hello Internet

◼   ► all right here we go It's Showtime in

◼   ► kind of the feedback section I think two

◼   ► things have been burning a hole in my

◼   ► inbox and crashing the service at Reddit

◼   ► oh yeah and the first of those would be

◼   ► the continuing discussion about our use

◼   ► of the term ambulance drivers for people

◼   ► who drive ambulances whether they're

◼   ► paramedics whether they're ambulance

◼   ► drivers there are two things I've now

◼   ► learned and it's not really going to

◼   ► placate anyone the first is I now have a

◼   ► better understanding as to why

◼   ► paramedics were so upset by me

◼   ► describing someone who drives an

◼   ► ambulance as an ambulance driver and

◼   ► that is I think people in like the

◼   ► medical community like certain doctors

◼   ► or surgeons or people who think they're

◼   ► too cool for school use the term

◼   ► ambulance drivers as an insult for

◼   ► paramedics hmm it's like a way of

◼   ► belittling them it's like a nickname

◼   ► they give them to upset them so it's

◼   ► like a diddly brought wind up okay

◼   ► so saying look you he come the ambulance

◼   ► drivers is what you say when that the

◼   ► paramedics walk in the room so I can see

◼   ► why that would be upsetting on the other

◼   ► hand we've had a lot of feedback from

◼   ► people all around the world talking

◼   ► about various jurisdictions in which

◼   ► there are bespoke ambulance drivers

◼   ► there is a differentiation between

◼   ► people who drive ambulances and people

◼   ► who have the qualifications to actually

◼   ► tend to people in times of medical need

◼   ► so there are actually legitimate

◼   ► ambulance drivers who are not paramedics

◼   ► so that is a thing that exists cuz we

◼   ► were speculating about that last time

◼   ► like is that a thing very much so in

◼   ► certain countries and in certain places

◼   ► in other places it's not so much but

◼   ► that definitely is a thing that is

◼   ► interesting is very interesting I didn't

◼   ► come across that because I felt like at

◼   ► least from the feedback that I saw on

◼   ► the reddit my takeaway from reading a

◼   ► bunch of that stuff was wow there's a

◼   ► lot of different degrees of what this

◼   ► means people were describing in wherever

◼   ► they worked how in terms of paramedics

◼   ► it's like there's five different levels

◼   ► of what the person is and what they're

◼   ► qualified for and so once again like

◼   ► with everything in the world I felt like

◼   ► our discussion on ambulance drivers

◼   ► stroke paramedics opens up a door to

◼   ► another infinite world

◼   ► of complexity and differentiation that

◼   ► people are involved in so I felt frankly

◼   ► overwhelmed with all of the detail and

◼   ► differentiation of what is a paramedic

◼   ► where in the world what exactly does

◼   ► their job entail and how do you become

◼   ► one of these people well if you found

◼   ► that overwhelming how did you feel about

◼   ► the feedback to the 51 star American

◼   ► flag suggestions well I mean first we

◼   ► must say that I don't know who did it

◼   ► but at one point your design suggestion

◼   ► for the 51 star flag was living on the

◼   ► Wikipedia page for future suggested

◼   ► versions of how the 51 star flag might

◼   ► look and I feel like that was barely

◼   ► Wikipedia vandalization at all I feel

◼   ► like that's a legitimate proposal for

◼   ► what could be a future 51 star flag

◼   ► design so I was very happy to see that

◼   ► make its way into the Wikipedia article

◼   ► yeah I mean that list was all about

◼   ► suggestions like from various people

◼   ► who'd suggested them my favorite thing

◼   ► there was a little caption that sort of

◼   ► described how design proposed by Brady

◼   ► Haran and executed by CGP grey like that

◼   ► sort of play to that whole image that

◼   ► I'd tried to create of me as like you

◼   ► know the grand visionary at the top and

◼   ► you is like the drone that just like

◼   ► makes the stuff I was basically the

◼   ► seamstress in this situation right

◼   ► that's that's what was occurring there

◼   ► ya know if that caption was perfect

◼   ► great work for whoever did that so I

◼   ► really enjoyed that but of course as

◼   ► soon as you start showing something like

◼   ► that to the internet everybody wanted to

◼   ► jump in with their own version of the 51

◼   ► star flag so we said we got a whole

◼   ► bunch of interesting ones that were sent

◼   ► along I tried to create a reddit thread

◼   ► to capture them all together because I

◼   ► always just loved seeing what people

◼   ► make with this kind of stuff so I'll put

◼   ► it in the show notes there's a link to a

◼   ► reddit discussion which has just a ton

◼   ► of the designs all together in one place

◼   ► let me send a few of them along to you

◼   ► right now Brady and see what you think

◼   ► these ones that have your endorsement or

◼   ► your condemnation I'm just passing along

◼   ► a few that caught my eye

◼   ► no comment of endorsements or anything

◼   ► there say the first one Gray has sent to

◼   ► me in the star section

◼   ► has 51 stars arranged into the shape of

◼   ► a star so it's like a star of stars and

◼   ► it's a little bit on the silly side oh

◼   ► you think that's silly oh you have more

◼   ► stuff to cover okay but I thought it's

◼   ► interesting to see that the 51 stars can

◼   ► be arranged in a sense symmetrical

◼   ► because it's five ways is there a word

◼   ► for five way symmetry I feel like I

◼   ► should know this fivefold symmetry that

◼   ► sounds good

◼   ► fivefold symmetry yeah I think you're

◼   ► right there I think you're right so that

◼   ► can be done it's not too bad there are a

◼   ► few other versions of people trying to

◼   ► arrange the stars in a somewhat orderly

◼   ► pattern or at least pleasing so this one

◼   ► you've sent in the star section has the

◼   ► 51 stars and they kind of arranged in

◼   ► diagonal rows rather than the horizontal

◼   ► rows that we're familiar with on the

◼   ► current American flag and yeah it just

◼   ► doesn't quite look right does it no it

◼   ► doesn't quite look right those are two

◼   ► sort of somewhat serious designs yeah

◼   ► there's one that's a little bit jokey

◼   ► but I actually kind of like it so I'll

◼   ► send this next one along to you okay so

◼   ► in this one what they've done is they've

◼   ► taken sort of the top corner where the

◼   ► stars live and instead they've made it

◼   ► the whole left-hand side of the flag

◼   ► like a vertical bar going down the whole

◼   ► height of the flag and they've arranged

◼   ► the stars in there the left-hand sixth

◼   ► of the flag is a pile of stars and then

◼   ► we have stripes all emanating from that

◼   ► and do you know what it looks wrong

◼   ► obviously because I'm so used to the US

◼   ► flag but if that had been the u.s. flow

◼   ► from day one I could easily look at that

◼   ► and think oh yeah that's just how their

◼   ► flag works I can see how that kind of

◼   ► works yeah I like this one doing a

◼   ► vertical banner on the left-hand side it

◼   ► gives you enough space to arrange the 51

◼   ► in a somewhat pleasing way I think it

◼   ► looks good I think it looks good

◼   ► because I feel like the 51 stars there's

◼   ► just no good way to do it in the

◼   ► existing format and so it's like maybe

◼   ► this is time for America to think

◼   ► outside the box if the flag is going to

◼   ► change so we have a couple of other

◼   ► thinking outside the box Options here

◼   ► Brady okay what do we go he comes

◼   ► another one why do 51 stars when instead

◼   ► you could do 51 stripes

◼   ► right say having 51 straps on a flag

◼   ► results in the straps being so close

◼   ► together that it looks almost just like

◼   ► a big rectangle of pinkness yep 51 yeah

◼   ► horizontal stripes with no stars just

◼   ► stripes yeah no stars at all hmm this

◼   ► next one very different thought on how

◼   ► to arrange the 51 stars which I quite

◼   ► like say here we've got the blue section

◼   ► at the top and the 51 stars have been

◼   ► arranged to write out the number 51

◼   ► mm-hmm yeah I quite like that that's a

◼   ► good contender yeah also okay our star

◼   ► is necessary I think we have some other

◼   ► options okay someone has put the lettuce

◼   ► Li this is the Roman numeral version of

◼   ► 51 stars right which i think is great of

◼   ► course we can also just talk about the

◼   ► way America prefers to view herself says

◼   ► someone has just put the number one

◼   ► hashtag in the blue area instead of

◼   ► stars at all yeah

◼   ► we're number one that's America it's we

◼   ► are we now that's let's just say with

◼   ► romera we're number one my great

◼   ► disappointment is now that you have

◼   ► declared yourself the official US flag

◼   ► seamstress of hello internet people

◼   ► shouldn't even need to design flags they

◼   ► should just write written descriptions

◼   ► to you and then you knock it up for them

◼   ► and you know quick 5-10 minutes I wish

◼   ► them the best of luck with getting

◼   ► results for that people know what's

◼   ► gonna happen they know the results I

◼   ► felt like you were at my beck and call

◼   ► in the last episode when I was having

◼   ► you do I was just like throwing ideas

◼   ► out there and you were tapping away

◼   ► churning them out you know Brady I like

◼   ► to make your dreams a reality

◼   ► so I was very happy to do that

◼   ► immediately thank you you suggest I make

◼   ► I say jump graces hi that's exactly

◼   ► right that's that's how this

◼   ► relationship works all right thank you

◼   ► bedding flag designers at that you

◼   ► certainly took over our subreddit every

◼   ► time I went to the hello Internet

◼   ► subreddit it was just like Star Spangled

◼   ► Banner everywhere yeah there are

◼   ► absolutely everywhere if you go to the

◼   ► reddit link in the show notes there are

◼   ► a whole lot more than just the ones that

◼   ► I posted to Brady while we were

◼   ► discussing it I think there's something

◼   ► like 80 different takes on the flag and

◼   ► some of them are hilarious so I highly

◼   ► recommend you go check that out and see

◼   ► alternate flag designs

◼   ► the Tim's and gray will compile a list

◼   ► of his 51 favorites I will not know that

◼   ► what that happened so Brady I am

◼   ► recently back from America

◼   ► you were there forever I thought you

◼   ► were never coming home I wasn't sure if

◼   ► I was ever coming home

◼   ► it wasn't intended to be that long I

◼   ► wonder if your your accents like

◼   ► American dup a bit more whenever I go to

◼   ► Australia people say I sound more

◼   ► Australian when I come home for the

◼   ► first few weeks do people say you sound

◼   ► more American when you come back you

◼   ► couldn't say I'm more American actually

◼   ► now I think about it do you think I

◼   ► sound super American that is not

◼   ► possible for me to sound more American

◼   ► well I don't think you sound like tinged

◼   ► by Britishness you do sound a bit tinged

◼   ► by Britishness though Brady yeah but

◼   ► when I go to Australia I recharge my

◼   ► Aussie Nostromo is that how it works

◼   ► you're running low on Oz eNOS and need

◼   ► to charge back up every once in a while

◼   ► it's not intentional it just happens

◼   ► hang out with all my Aussie friends and

◼   ► I get a bit more ocka ocka ocka is like

◼   ► a it's an Australian thing saying you

◼   ► sound Orko means you sound really Ozzy

◼   ► oh it's probably incredibly racist and

◼   ► I've just insulted a whole bunch of

◼   ► people knowing the way the internet

◼   ► works now but I'd better look it up if

◼   ► you sound augur sounds Australian I

◼   ► don't see what the problem would be

◼   ► because you're Australian and then you

◼   ► could say that okay it means a rough

◼   ► uncultivated Australian man so a bit

◼   ► more uncultivated is it's you know it's

◼   ► a bit more rough around the edges slang

◼   ► for a stereotypical Australian someone

◼   ► with a strong accent who enjoys beer

◼   ► barbecues Australian football v8 cars

◼   ► behave cards that's a long story long

◼   ► story of you and asking was trailing

◼   ► about that kind of car yeah okay don't

◼   ► stop me on Holden versus forward I'm a

◼   ► hardened man for those who wandering

◼   ► there oh okay there you go yes so I

◼   ► don't think I'm sounding more American

◼   ► having come back from America I don't

◼   ► think the night of the case I'm sounding

◼   ► just the regular way yeah but while I

◼   ► was in America hmm I saw a thing Brady

◼   ► that I've been dreading for a while

◼   ► because a little while ago there was a

◼   ► article talking about how uber is going

◼   ► to introduce the much requested much

◼   ► requested feature of tipping the drivers

◼   ► in their app

◼   ► saw this public relations thing that

◼   ► uber is finally allowing riders to do

◼   ► what they have long desired which is tip

◼   ► their drivers I have some suspicions

◼   ► about how much riders have actually

◼   ► wanted that versus how much the drivers

◼   ► want that but anyway I saw this thing I

◼   ► had hoped in my heart of hearts that

◼   ► maybe it wouldn't come to pass but sure

◼   ► enough while I was in New York for the

◼   ► first time I saw it I took an uber thing

◼   ► popped up on my screen and it said I had

◼   ► a tip for your driver with three buttons

◼   ► on the bottom and an option to add an

◼   ► even larger custom amount if you so want

◼   ► to and honestly I feel like my heart

◼   ► sank very deeply that day so great when

◼   ► I get an uber and I get out of the car I

◼   ► don't even look at my phone usually for

◼   ► a cup or two later and then I see like

◼   ► you know the opportunity to do the star

◼   ► rating and everything is that when it

◼   ► happens is that next time you look at

◼   ► your phone so the driver could be long

◼   ► gone

◼   ► when you make this decision it has for

◼   ► me shown up on the page where you would

◼   ► normally give the driver the star rating

◼   ► I'll send you a screenshots I'm the

◼   ► first driver that I had who's asking for

◼   ► the tip okay yeah but so when it bothers

◼   ► you to give them the star rating you now

◼   ► have this additional mental burden on

◼   ► that page to decide if you want to give

◼   ► them additional money on top of the

◼   ► money that you have given them for the

◼   ► commercial transaction the clear

◼   ► commercial transaction that has happened

◼   ► but you don't have to give a tip you do

◼   ► not have to give a tip it's not required

◼   ► I'm not overly worried about this as

◼   ► long as it's not like a face-to-face

◼   ► awkward situation I'm kind of like I've

◼   ► always said I'm not opposed to tipping

◼   ► it's just the awkwardness of the moment

◼   ► and not having the money or how to give

◼   ► it to them and that sort of thing mm-hmm

◼   ► I mean if I was honest about that and I

◼   ► think I was then I don't mind giving the

◼   ► tip after the fact depending on the

◼   ► level of service and how I feel about

◼   ► how it went as long as I can do it like

◼   ► in the comfort of my sofa two or three

◼   ► hours later I'm alright with that what

◼   ► are the scenarios under which you would

◼   ► tip an uber driver I can imagine if they

◼   ► say we would have a conversation and

◼   ► they gave me

◼   ► useful information you know oh hey I'm

◼   ► new to town where's a good place to eat

◼   ► and they suggested a really good

◼   ► restaurant or they gave me some local

◼   ► advice or I really enjoyed the

◼   ► conversation maybe if the car was

◼   ► exceptionally clean or maybe if they had

◼   ► a couple of little goodies in there like

◼   ► a lovely or something I could have I can

◼   ► imagine scenarios that's really cute if

◼   ► there's a lolly in the back for Brady

◼   ► you might just give you a tip yeah I've

◼   ► had Reba rides where it was something

◼   ► really memorable I once had an uber

◼   ► driver whose name he was from Ethiopia

◼   ► and his name was millionaire that was

◼   ► actually his first name and I said how

◼   ► can I take a picture of you and like you

◼   ► know social media playing around with it

◼   ► and he was a really good sport and let

◼   ► me do it so he's a guy I would happily

◼   ► have tipped you know five bucks cause he

◼   ► he was a good sport and played around so

◼   ► I can see these things happening that's

◼   ► very interesting well although I can see

◼   ► immediately from your answer that of

◼   ► course you have more scenarios under

◼   ► which you might tip the driver because

◼   ► you're interacting with the driver

◼   ► whereas I have been thinking this entire

◼   ► time like I can't even imagine why I

◼   ► would give an uber driver a tip because

◼   ► my ideal situation is I just we just get

◼   ► in the car and I never really speak to

◼   ► the driver and then I just get out yeah

◼   ► I guess with me there is far less room

◼   ► for the ability to give a tip in the

◼   ► first place well then don't give a tip

◼   ► but do they know can they penalize you

◼   ► can they look later on and see who

◼   ► tipped and then who didn't and affect

◼   ► your star rankings with that information

◼   ► I was always under the impression it

◼   ► would be pulled at the end of the day

◼   ► and they wouldn't know who didn't didn't

◼   ► tip yeah that's my understanding is that

◼   ► the drivers do not know this is the best

◼   ► way to handle it like if they're going

◼   ► to do it doing it this way like the

◼   ► drivers don't know you can just do it

◼   ► later this sort of fine for me there's

◼   ► something about it being here that I

◼   ► feel like it is sullied uber it has

◼   ► taken this like clear commercial

◼   ► transaction in my mind and has now moved

◼   ► it into the world of somewhat ambiguous

◼   ► interactions and transactions is the

◼   ► best version of this that it could

◼   ► possibly be but I'm still sad to see

◼   ► that it's there

◼   ► I'm not surprised it happened why do you

◼   ► say that well I don't know how much you

◼   ► follow the news no I do know how much

◼   ► Father's Day Parade is you don't want to

◼   ► know how much I follow the news but like

◼   ► there's been a lot of in the UK in

◼   ► particular but

◼   ► elsewhere there's been a lot of

◼   ► confrontation lately as sort of drivers

◼   ► start to not unionize but get to a point

◼   ► where they're starting to expect more

◼   ► rights and they want to be treated as

◼   ► employees and have that rights to

◼   ► holidays and things like that which

◼   ► again sort of goes against how uber has

◼   ► always pitched itself but this is the

◼   ► whole other debate that we shouldn't

◼   ► wade into and while that's been going on

◼   ► at the same time uber itself is bit of a

◼   ► wounded ball at the moment because of

◼   ► all the problems that its former boss

◼   ► had been getting himself into and the

◼   ► culture of the company so we've got a

◼   ► situation where the drivers are sort of

◼   ► on the ascendancy and starting to make

◼   ► noise and the company at the top is kind

◼   ► of in a perilous condition and weakened

◼   ► so if there was ever a time where the

◼   ► drivers we're gonna get their way and

◼   ► start clawing back things they want now

◼   ► is the time I think the question of

◼   ► whether or not bird drivers are

◼   ► employees like that feels like a perfect

◼   ► thing that we could just argue about for

◼   ► a little while it seems to me like well

◼   ► they're clearly not but that of course

◼   ► gets us straight to the whole question

◼   ► of like the app economy which is a very

◼   ► big different sort of thing

◼   ► at least that's interesting that that's

◼   ► why you feel like it's obvious that this

◼   ► is going to happen because ubers in

◼   ► trouble the drivers are collectivizing

◼   ► it sounds like in some sense sober wants

◼   ► to make them happy I guess I mean we've

◼   ► got a culture where some people are

◼   ► thinking drivers aren't being treated

◼   ► well the company is getting this

◼   ► increasing reputation for being mean

◼   ► mm-hmm

◼   ► like this is obviously a move that would

◼   ► placate that somewhat so very

◼   ► unsurprising so after I saw that driver

◼   ► I was like ah here we are like now that

◼   ► now this thing has arrived my immediate

◼   ► next ride in New York in uber when the

◼   ► screen came up to do the five star

◼   ► rating it said that this driver does not

◼   ► currently accept tips

◼   ► and you know what I thought Brady I want

◼   ► to give that man a tip I've never had

◼   ► that feeling ever like boy I really want

◼   ► to give someone a tip but when I saw

◼   ► this one guy who didn't accept tips I

◼   ► thought you were the only person maybe

◼   ► in the entire history of the service

◼   ► industry that I have felt like please I

◼   ► would love to give you a tip for your

◼   ► refusal to accept tips but of course he

◼   ► had long driven away that wasn't a

◼   ► possibility

◼   ► I couldn't hand him cash in the car

◼   ► because I didn't do the star rating

◼   ► until later I was hoping you're gonna

◼   ► say

◼   ► you flicked him a cheeky Benjie flicked

◼   ► him a cheeky Benji that's what I would

◼   ► do baby but yes that's like I wish there

◼   ► was some way that I could reward better

◼   ► the drivers who don't accept the tips

◼   ► and just tell who burr

◼   ► please don't ever show me that tip

◼   ► screen because there's not a situation

◼   ► that I'm ever gonna actually want to

◼   ► press those buttons it just makes me

◼   ► feel a little guilty now every time that

◼   ► the star rating comes up and I don't

◼   ► actually press the tip button fair

◼   ► enough

◼   ► that's what tips are social gilts will

◼   ► chop that up as a loss to gray in his

◼   ► ongoing battle to have everything in the

◼   ► world shaped to his liking it totally is

◼   ► Brady like that's you know you're saying

◼   ► that it's like a joke but I do feel like

◼   ► this is a battle that I live every day

◼   ► in many many different ways I'm not even

◼   ► mildly taking this episode of Hello

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◼   ► I've been doing a bit of traveling

◼   ► lately myself mm-hmm one of the places I

◼   ► went was the US as well I saw you at

◼   ► VidCon and lots of other people and well

◼   ► it was all good for us to catch up

◼   ► mm-hmm but one of the other things I did

◼   ► while I was there in Anaheim was I went

◼   ► to Disneyland for the first time in a

◼   ► long time I went with our very good

◼   ► friend Destin who had a great time

◼   ► together but the thing I were used for

◼   ► the first time was this so called

◼   ► Fast Pass which is the system at

◼   ► Disneyland that allows you to supposedly

◼   ► get on rides more easily more quickly

◼   ► and not spend all your day what I would

◼   ► call queueing what Americans might call

◼   ► standing in line yeah so you sent me a

◼   ► photo of you and Destin in Disney as I

◼   ► was making my way towards Anaheim and my

◼   ► first thought of course was oh my god

◼   ► you're a Disney in the height of the

◼   ► summer I can't imagine ever doing

◼   ► something like that and I sent you a

◼   ► message immediately like I hope to god

◼   ► you bought the Fast Pass or that

◼   ► whatever the heck it's called yeah there

◼   ► are additional ticketing system yeah

◼   ► because in my mind this is a thing which

◼   ► is almost like it feels anti fairness

◼   ► but my understanding of this is that

◼   ► it's an extra ticket that allows you to

◼   ► go on like an executive line that's just

◼   ► for the people who bought the Fast Pass

◼   ► and so then you can then get to the

◼   ► front of the line faster is that correct

◼   ► well you like me have that completely

◼   ► wrong it is nothing like that although I

◼   ► thought the same I thought I could use

◼   ► financial might to buy myself a golden

◼   ► ticket that would allow me to walk past

◼   ► everyone and get on the rides more

◼   ► quickly and I was willing to do that I

◼   ► was willing to sacrifice

◼   ► my hard-earned money to buy back time of

◼   ► course I was hopeful I could do that

◼   ► that's how life works isn't it we spend

◼   ► most of our life earning money so we can

◼   ► buy time correct this is not how it

◼   ► works

◼   ► it couldn't be further from it okay I

◼   ► don't know how to explain I'm going to

◼   ► attempt to explain it I haven't really

◼   ► thought about this that the logical way

◼   ► to explain to you how it works but I

◼   ► don't know whether I should just tell

◼   ► you what it looks like on the surface or

◼   ► what I later learned how it actually is

◼   ► working probably the best thing to do is

◼   ► tell you how it actually is working I'm

◼   ► wondering because I haven't been to

◼   ► Disney in a long time I've always

◼   ► thought like if I'm going to Disney I'm

◼   ► going in the offseason and I'm gonna buy

◼   ► a Fastpass

◼   ► there is no fast pass to buy alright so

◼   ► I have this all wrong I don't even

◼   ► understand what's occurring

◼   ► okay got it you have this all wrong and

◼   ► so did I and like this tonight when we

◼   ► were buying our tickets we're like how

◼   ► do we buy a first pass mister sounded

◼   ► like idiots I now realize we did sound

◼   ► like idiots and like the people were

◼   ► saying wait till you get inside oh yeah

◼   ► like you already know there's something

◼   ► ominously wrong like they're just wait

◼   ► till you get inside so wait till you get

◼   ► inside you idiots so what happens is you

◼   ► get a ticket to go into Disneyland it is

◼   ► important you keep that ticket because

◼   ► that ticket becomes very important and

◼   ► what happens is at any given ride there

◼   ► are two queues there were two lines

◼   ► there is what I will call the slow line

◼   ► which is for people without a fast bus

◼   ► okay there's the first pass line right

◼   ► now let's pretend it's the middle of the

◼   ► day now and there are lots of people in

◼   ► the park and there are lots of lines

◼   ► everywhere what you can do is you can

◼   ► join the slow line and you'll have a

◼   ► long wait let's say an hour and a half

◼   ► to get on the ride or what you can do is

◼   ► you can scan your ticket to get a fast

◼   ► pass for that particular ride and the

◼   ► first pass can be used later on in the

◼   ► day at a specified time so I would say

◼   ► you can come back at between 3 and 4

◼   ► o'clock this afternoon and join the fast

◼   ► pass line

◼   ► that's how it works and during that time

◼   ► you can then move around the park and

◼   ► join other slow lines but you can only

◼   ► have one fast pass at a time you have to

◼   ► be really strategic and it's linked to

◼   ► your ticket so you can't like go around

◼   ► all the rides and get a fast pass for

◼   ► every single ride and have your day

◼   ► planned out for the whole day that was

◼   ► my immediate thought is you just run in

◼   ► and grab all the fast passes no no no

◼   ► you've got to be really strategic and

◼   ► what I'm not talking about here is all

◼   ► the ways you can obviously check the

◼   ► system and I'm sure people in reddit an

◼   ► email will say Oh Brady you should have

◼   ► done this and you should have done that

◼   ► and this is how you change did you not

◼   ► go to Disneyland hacking com to figure

◼   ► out your Fastpass strategy so I'm

◼   ► talking about if you follow the rules

◼   ► now this becomes really difficult later

◼   ► in the day Destin and I learned because

◼   ► there are couple arise we wanted to go

◼   ► on and they were having like you know up

◼   ► to two hours in the slow line but the

◼   ► fast pass line was like three or four

◼   ► hours in the future and you're having to

◼   ► like do all this mental mathematics

◼   ► you're thinking do I use my fasteners

◼   ► for this ride and join the slow line for

◼   ► that one which says it will be two and a

◼   ► half hours adieu I joined the slow line

◼   ► for that one and get the fast pass for

◼   ► that one but I can't use my fast pass

◼   ► for that one for two hours after that

◼   ► and that means I'm not going to be able

◼   ► to get another and like it becomes

◼   ► really really difficult and once you've

◼   ► got a first pass you're locked in you

◼   ► can't like cancel it and say oh I made

◼   ► them oh really yeah it's really

◼   ► difficult and there's no like gold and

◼   ► tickets or anything it's just like you

◼   ► know it's always good to have a fast

◼   ► pass because as Destin was always saying

◼   ► it's good for us to have a fast pass

◼   ► doing the work for us while we're

◼   ► standing in slow lines I totally get

◼   ► that yeah it feels like you have a

◼   ► virtual robot standing in line for you

◼   ► yeah and the way I believe it works

◼   ► underneath the hood is Disney allocates

◼   ► say a thousand fast passes every hour

◼   ► for every ride so as people are chalking

◼   ► up all these fast passes say you want to

◼   ► go on the roller coaster right as people

◼   ► were talking at the first passes they're

◼   ► all disappearing so all the fast passes

◼   ► between one and two are gone all the

◼   ► fast passes between two and three ago

◼   ► and all the fast passes between three

◼   ► and four are gone

◼   ► so very quickly that time that you can

◼   ► use your first pass on the

◼   ► roller-coaster is blowing right ahead

◼   ► like into the evening right if you don't

◼   ► get your first pass early you know you

◼   ► could have four or five hours into it

◼   ► you can use this fast pass and for that

◼   ► four or five hours you're going to be

◼   ► stuck in slow lines all that time you

◼   ► can only stand in slow lines so it

◼   ► becomes a real difficult decision I'm

◼   ► sure there are apps on websites that

◼   ► help you make such decisions we were

◼   ► using the Disney app all the time but

◼   ► I'm immediately feeling like you need

◼   ► some kind of app to help you plan this

◼   ► out okay I have a question I have a

◼   ► question Brady hmm do you know ahead of

◼   ► time when the Fastpass ticket is going

◼   ► to be good for or is it a surprise no

◼   ► you know ahead of time there's like

◼   ► screens and things that's all advertised

◼   ► so so it's like at the moment if you

◼   ► scan yourself for a first pass your

◼   ► first pass will be valid between three

◼   ► and four you know that beforehand got it

◼   ► got it all right now question about the

◼   ► fast pass line mm-hmm how does it work

◼   ► at the actual front of the line are they

◼   ► just pulling everybody straight off of

◼   ► the fast pass line on to the ride or are

◼   ► they mixing them in or like how does

◼   ► that work I'm not exactly sure but there

◼   ► seems to be like a blending okay of the

◼   ► lines that is heavily favored towards

◼   ► the fast passes it's not like every fast

◼   ► pass person gets on and then the slow

◼   ► people get on because that wouldn't work

◼   ► there's like a blending heavily-favored

◼   ► towards the fast passes I don't know the

◼   ► exact numbers but it felt like a fast

◼   ► pass line is about twice as fast as a

◼   ► slow line huh I don't know how

◼   ► beneficial this actually is for anybody

◼   ► who's in the park how did you feel about

◼   ► it going through the day with the Fast

◼   ► Pass this is what happened we went in

◼   ► early at the start we were getting loads

◼   ► of rides in at fast passes didn't even

◼   ► matter like we were like oh let's go on

◼   ► the Star Wars ride and it was like 9:00

◼   ► in the morning and the Fastpass said

◼   ► thing if you get a fast pass now it will

◼   ► be valid between 9:00 and 10:00 so we

◼   ► would like we didn't even need to get a

◼   ► fast bus you just walk straight in so

◼   ► for the first few hours the fast passes

◼   ► if you got a fast pass it would be valid

◼   ► in half an hour's time maybe it likely

◼   ► to be 9:30 or if you get a fast pass you

◼   ► can use it at 10:00 so we'd be like oh

◼   ► great let's grab a fast pass quickly go

◼   ► and do that ride and then come back at

◼   ► 10 and do this ride so at first it

◼   ► seemed brilliant but then as more and

◼   ► more people

◼   ► into the park oh the first pass has

◼   ► started evaporating and that our slots

◼   ► were moving further and further into the

◼   ► day it got to a point later in the day

◼   ► where they were these two rides we

◼   ► wanted to go on and one of them had a

◼   ► slow line that was like two to two and a

◼   ► half hours and the other one if we got a

◼   ► fast pass we'd be able to use that fast

◼   ► pass in about four hours time so we were

◼   ► like oh God so we got the fast pass and

◼   ► then we're like okay well we can't go on

◼   ► that ride for four hours now we'll burn

◼   ► through two and a half hours in a slow

◼   ► line to get on that ride so as the day

◼   ► goes on it becomes much less useful whoo

◼   ► the thing I wondered for people who are

◼   ► wandering or why don't you just go and

◼   ► get lots of fast passes that a you can

◼   ► only get one at a time because it's

◼   ► linked to your ticket and if someone

◼   ► else gets one for you like you could say

◼   ► to someone are can you just scan your

◼   ► ticket and get me a fast pass for the

◼   ► roller coaster when you use your first

◼   ► pass it's wedded to your ticket so they

◼   ► do make sure I haven't just like got a

◼   ► fistful of fast passes that you've got

◼   ► off other people supposedly I don't know

◼   ► how well that's police but that is how

◼   ► it's supposed to work so they are trying

◼   ► to stop people scamming system okay you

◼   ► know what I'm just thinking though it's

◼   ► like okay wait a second you can't buy a

◼   ► fast pass but could you when you're

◼   ► entering the park could you tell the

◼   ► attendants that you're buying the

◼   ► tickets from like I would like to buy

◼   ► ten tickets please yeah but you know

◼   ► what they marry your tickets to your IDs

◼   ► and all sorts they're always like like

◼   ► wait I think I've found a loophole here

◼   ► nope the thing I wondered was if someone

◼   ► is like a guest of Disneyland and Disney

◼   ► I want them to you know have the

◼   ► corporate VIP experience what do those

◼   ► people get there must be some golden

◼   ► ticket and although I figure out unless

◼   ► there are secret entrances I was unaware

◼   ► of I think the golden ticket is some

◼   ► kind of pass that just gets you into any

◼   ► Fast Pass line at any time yeah I'm

◼   ► gonna bet that that's the case so you're

◼   ► still gonna be waiting half an hour to

◼   ► an hour but that must be the golden

◼   ► ticket I know for a fact that Disney has

◼   ► like a VIP system that people can try to

◼   ► approach their way through and that they

◼   ► have some special thing and I would

◼   ► assume given your description of this

◼   ► system that yeah it's like a Fast Pass

◼   ► that's available at all times that would

◼   ► be my yeah yeah and there's like lots of

◼   ► places have this at the airlines have

◼   ► special tickets they give out that will

◼   ► essentially

◼   ► essentially be a ticket that will tell

◼   ► like the gate agent this person has to

◼   ► get on a plane and if you need to boot

◼   ► somebody off like you're gonna boot them

◼   ► off that's given out to super VIPs so I

◼   ► don't know like I can't articulate this

◼   ► but something about this fast pass

◼   ► system feels like a weird way in which

◼   ► people feel like they're winning

◼   ► something but I'm not actually sure they

◼   ► are not I agree with you like I said I

◼   ► think it's purely herd management it's

◼   ► just moving the cows around in a way

◼   ► that's not going to cause problems for

◼   ► Disneyland yeah that that's what's

◼   ► happening or maybe if I'm slightly more

◼   ► cynical about it it's constantly trying

◼   ► to give the guests more reasons to be

◼   ► hanging out at like the restaurants or

◼   ► places that you could pay and Disney

◼   ► like to make that an easier thing for

◼   ► people to do hmm

◼   ► so that they can feel like they're not

◼   ► wasting their time as much like they

◼   ► have the virtual robot waiting online

◼   ► for them hmm it's funny because it's

◼   ► like this conversation started out with

◼   ► my thought that there was something

◼   ► called a Fastpass that you could buy and

◼   ► gee I don't know how I feel about that

◼   ► but I feel like this system is somehow

◼   ► almost worse than just buying a VIP

◼   ► ticket I don't know is something about

◼   ► it that just feels like I don't quite

◼   ► like either because there's something

◼   ► democratic about oh we're all in an

◼   ► amusement park together and people just

◼   ► wait on lines and it's like an

◼   ► artificial environment so I don't know

◼   ► it's just it feels really weird and and

◼   ► there's something about it that I don't

◼   ► know almost adds like a layer of mental

◼   ► work on top of what you're doing like

◼   ► you have a thing to manage now while

◼   ► you're in the park as opposed to a more

◼   ► simpler task of you're just waiting on

◼   ► line or you're making a decision about

◼   ► how you want to spend your time versus

◼   ► your money I have to know though Brady

◼   ► these numbers that you're throwing out

◼   ► about being on line for an hour and a

◼   ► half or two hours are those real numbers

◼   ► or those exaggerated numbers please tell

◼   ► me there was one line for the cars ride

◼   ► that it felt like we were in that line

◼   ► for two or three hours

◼   ► I tell you what it would have driven me

◼   ► crazy except I hadn't seen Destin in

◼   ► person for about a year we were just

◼   ► like catching up so I enjoyed spending

◼   ► time with him but if it had been other

◼   ► circumstances it would have driven the

◼   ► absolutely crazy yeah I can totally

◼   ► leave that yes you have a great excuse

◼   ► to be able to spend a whole bunch of

◼   ► time with someone that you haven't

◼   ► actually seen in person for a long time

◼   ► so that mean yeah that makes it very

◼   ► fundamentally different but standing on

◼   ► line for two hours yeah do it's too much

◼   ► it's terrible the number of times I

◼   ► sounded like a grumpy old man and I said

◼   ► they just let too many people in this

◼   ► place right they're just greedy they

◼   ► would double the number of people in

◼   ► that place and they should be you think

◼   ► they're greedy yeah I think I'm just

◼   ► wondering because there'd be probably a

◼   ► pretty easy way to get half as many

◼   ► people in the park and that would be to

◼   ► double the ticket price hmm would you

◼   ► think that they're less greedy if they

◼   ► double the ticket price to get half as

◼   ► many people in or is that more greedy

◼   ► well that would be one way they could do

◼   ► it they could do it with price that

◼   ► would be a greedy way to do it or they

◼   ► could just sell this tickets no no you

◼   ► can't just sell us tickets that's

◼   ► madness no yet keep it affordable for

◼   ► like the common man they're not running

◼   ► a charity over there at Disney like that

◼   ► Mouse has got to eat Brady I don't think

◼   ► you understand well I have to say I'm

◼   ► very interested to hear how the Fast

◼   ► Pass works I think I feel like this is

◼   ► gonna be on my mind for a while you

◼   ► should go next time just go like us for

◼   ► research I don't know I keep thinking

◼   ► like there should be some kind of

◼   ► auction system here to work this out oh

◼   ► no I really thought that sounded I don't

◼   ► even mean in terms of like money I just

◼   ► mean like I know you may park credits or

◼   ► something everybody has a certain amount

◼   ► of park credits that they just get when

◼   ► they walk in if there's a ride that you

◼   ► really wanted to get to the front of

◼   ► like you could spend park credits to get

◼   ► on an additional line that would let you

◼   ► get to the front faster and then you

◼   ► could buy more Park credits from vending

◼   ► machines conveniently located around the

◼   ► park no no right now that's the terrible

◼   ► idea all of a sudden oh wait a minute no

◼   ► we've just made it a free-to-play game

◼   ► everything becomes this everything is

◼   ► gamified so great another little bit of

◼   ► travel I did and I don't want to brag

◼   ► are you sure but Mike

◼   ► this was a beautiful place I went to

◼   ► Santorini the Greek island whoa okay I

◼   ► had no idea that you did this seriously

◼   ► was one of the most beautiful places

◼   ► I've been Santorini it sounds beautiful

◼   ► it's a volcano crater that's a huge sort

◼   ► of lagoon in the middle opening out to

◼   ► the sea and it's got all these beautiful

◼   ► little white washed stone villages like

◼   ► all around the caldera of the volcano

◼   ► almost spilling down the cliffs into the

◼   ► sea it was gorgeous Wow

◼   ► mmm anyway I'll send you some pictures

◼   ► I'm looking at pictures online

◼   ► it looks like Mamma Mia that's what it

◼   ► looks like yeah I think Mamma Mia was

◼   ► filmed in here which is the town I

◼   ► stayed in oh okay well there we go so I

◼   ► won't bore you with all the things I did

◼   ► because it's pretty boring most there ii

◼   ► sat around looking at the view I did

◼   ► film a bunch of video so maybe we'll use

◼   ► that as the YouTube video for this

◼   ► particular episode of the podcast sounds

◼   ► good are you featured bravely swimming

◼   ► in any of these videos no no although I

◼   ► did swim out in the caldera but I'll

◼   ► come to that in a minute

◼   ► because that's part of what I do want to

◼   ► talk about there are two little things

◼   ► that happened I want to talk about the

◼   ► first is something I did that I've

◼   ► always been curious about and I'll ask

◼   ► if you've ever done it but I'd be

◼   ► willing to bet a considerable amount of

◼   ► Disney Land credits and that is I did

◼   ► that thing where you put your fate in

◼   ► like a tank of fish and they nibble your

◼   ► fate mm-hmm have you ever done that

◼   ► I have not done that now right actually

◼   ► I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to

◼   ► that I think you think I really I would

◼   ► find like oh I would never possibly do I

◼   ► would do that I wouldn't actually have a

◼   ► problem with that I just happen do you

◼   ► have not I've ever been in that

◼   ► situation but was it nice Brady the fish

◼   ► nibbles

◼   ► it was interesting right I supposedly

◼   ► they're like nibbling around dead skin

◼   ► and stuff and they've got a little bit

◼   ► of like anesthetic or something in their

◼   ► saliva then causes some sensation your

◼   ► face I don't I don't really know why it

◼   ► was good and how legit it was but we all

◼   ► did it I was there there was my wife and

◼   ► another couple and we all stuck effe in

◼   ► and the things that were interesting the

◼   ► first thing that was interesting was my

◼   ► wife was very apprehensive about and

◼   ► very stressed because

◼   ► is not a fan of like fish and sea

◼   ► creatures but yeah well I mean the sea

◼   ► is disgusting I'm with her on that one

◼   ► okay so when she put her feet in she was

◼   ► very tense and the fish sense that and

◼   ► the other three of us were having lots

◼   ► and lots of fish nibbling on our feet

◼   ► and the very few of the fish very near

◼   ► perfect and I was like saying to the

◼   ► people running the place Hey look my

◼   ► wife's not getting any fish nibbling

◼   ► what's your game and they were like is

◼   ► she really worried and stressed about

◼   ► this and um well actually she is and

◼   ► they were like yeah the fish no I don't

◼   ► know that sounds like an excuse for a

◼   ► defective fish as far as anything she's

◼   ► got a bad batch yeah exactly

◼   ► I'm sorry those are defective but the

◼   ► other thing was this little place where

◼   ► they were doing it it was really set up

◼   ► as bit of a tourist trap it was a lovely

◼   ► looking house you could see into her and

◼   ► everyone was going in to do it and

◼   ► obviously we were sucked in with the

◼   ► rest of them so lots of people were

◼   ► taking lots of pictures and making lots

◼   ► of videos and I will share one in the

◼   ► show notes and you can look at me with

◼   ► my feet in the fish tank and look at the

◼   ► video I deliberately didn't post it

◼   ► because I was saving it for the temps

◼   ► Wow so they can have the first look but

◼   ► it did make me wonder because we were

◼   ► all like you know hovering our phones

◼   ► over the tank taking these pictures so I

◼   ► said to the staff how often do people

◼   ► drop their phones in these fish tanks

◼   ► taking pictures and they just looked at

◼   ► me completely deadpan I said three or

◼   ► four a day

◼   ► three or four times a day people drop

◼   ► their phones into the fish tank taking

◼   ► pictures of fish nibbling their feet in

◼   ► this one tiny shot and the other thing I

◼   ► did ask was how often do people get in

◼   ► because like when people first put their

◼   ► feet in some people like freak out and

◼   ► start screaming and my attitude is like

◼   ► calm down they just little fish that

◼   ► seems like someone's being a bit of a

◼   ► drama llama there yeah I'm doing that

◼   ► like they just want the attention for

◼   ► screaming it's what they want well yeah

◼   ► maybe so I did say to them how many

◼   ► times a day do people pay their money

◼   ► put their feet in and say not take their

◼   ► feet out and leave or do not even put

◼   ► their feet in at all ten times a day at

◼   ► least people hand over their money and

◼   ► then won't put their feet in or take

◼   ► their feet straight out because they're

◼   ► scared of the fish but kind of related

◼   ► to phone dropping there was one other

◼   ► thing that happened and you might think

◼   ► this is like a boring brady story no

◼   ► because essentially it is a boring

◼   ► Brittany story I don't think any of your

◼   ► stories are boring really

◼   ► one other thing happened that really

◼   ► affected me oh yeah on one of the days

◼   ► we decided we would get it and we went

◼   ► on this boat trip and we hired this like

◼   ► posh catamaran that takes you out into

◼   ► the center of Santorini you watch the

◼   ► sunset and they take you out to the

◼   ► middle where the center of the volcano

◼   ► is and the water is volcanic they're

◼   ► like it's like as you swim in it like

◼   ► there are like hot patches because of

◼   ► all the springs and hotness underneath

◼   ► mm-hmm so I was like oh I want to swim

◼   ► in that so they're like okay like not

◼   ► everyone wants to swim in it but I was

◼   ► you know how does now else I wanted to

◼   ► jump in the volcano water of course so

◼   ► they were like well you bathers might

◼   ► get stained by the unusual water because

◼   ► it's very smelly and full of sulfur and

◼   ► I'm well I didn't care and they said and

◼   ► also you have to take off like any

◼   ► jewelry because that stuff might get

◼   ► affected and I'm okay whatever so I took

◼   ► my ring off and took my watch off and

◼   ► everything and then I put them in my cap

◼   ► and stuff and my sunnies and stuff and

◼   ► then jumped in the water had a swim very

◼   ► good fun and then when I got out I was

◼   ► like oh I want to do like a snapchat or

◼   ► like take a picture now you know I feel

◼   ► invincible when it comes to phone

◼   ► dropping I don't worry about having my

◼   ► phone at the edge of things too much

◼   ► because like I'm invincible I'm

◼   ► invincible so I went and grabbed my cap

◼   ► which had my phone in it and came and

◼   ► went to the very back of the boat where

◼   ► it like slopes down into the water and

◼   ► took my phone out of my cap and started

◼   ► doing a snap and suddenly I heard this

◼   ► ding ding ding and like I thought like

◼   ► the people running the boat had dropped

◼   ► like a tool like a screwdriver or like a

◼   ► it sounded like an allen key being

◼   ► dropped I wonder what that noise was by

◼   ► I ignored it and then my wife says Brady

◼   ► that was your wedding ring which I'd

◼   ► also put in my cap I'm like oh my

◼   ► goodness and like the back of the boat

◼   ► here was like you know sloped down

◼   ► deliberately so water can run off into

◼   ► the sea and stuff you know and I'm not

◼   ► and I tell you what I've never let my

◼   ► heart just sank and I looked down and

◼   ► perched the very very edge of the boat

◼   ► hanging into the sea hanging over was my

◼   ► ring it had rode to the edge of the boat

◼   ► and just stopped and it was hanging over

◼   ► the edge and like I just saw her and

◼   ► then in the corner of my eye like the

◼   ► guy who was like running the boat one of

◼   ► the boat helpers had seen it too and he

◼   ► started leaning towards it to pick it up

◼   ► and I just screamed stop don't touch it

◼   ► look I did because I didn't want anyone

◼   ► stuffing up and knocking it in yeah yeah

◼   ► exactly it's like if this is going in

◼   ► the water it's gotta be my fault you

◼   ► know I just I just tiptoed up to it cuz

◼   ► just touching it could have knocked her

◼   ► over the edge

◼   ► sinking into the water and I just gently

◼   ► reached and just got my finger in it and

◼   ► just dragged along the thing off the

◼   ► edge until it was safe and then picked

◼   ► up and put it on my finger and like I

◼   ► was like I just sat down and I said oh

◼   ► my god I can't believe that just

◼   ► happened I was like what would I have

◼   ► done like I can't believe it my wife was

◼   ► nervous we support another one I was

◼   ► like for like 10-15 minutes I just I

◼   ► just had to have a little sit-down

◼   ► she's a very practical woman now yeah

◼   ► yeah it was it was very sobering it was

◼   ► very scary oh man I think you have my

◼   ► sympathies with that one it's funny

◼   ► because when when my wife and I got

◼   ► married we intentionally took a moment

◼   ► to say to each other if you ever lose

◼   ► the wedding ring

◼   ► we're both agreeing now like it's not

◼   ► any kind of big deal exactly like you're

◼   ► like what you mean like an omen or

◼   ► something yeah it's like yeah you just

◼   ► lose a wedding ring you just lose it

◼   ► right I can yeah it's an object you can

◼   ► just lose it we'll just get another one

◼   ► it's totally fine

◼   ► and actually I am on I'm on my second

◼   ► wedding ring in the exact same style my

◼   ► wife just surprised me as a gift and got

◼   ► a second wedding ring because after

◼   ► after the fitted Rollins stuff from last

◼   ► year my regular wedding ring was

◼   ► actually a little too big on my hand and

◼   ► it was bothering me so she got me one

◼   ► slightly a size smaller so I don't have

◼   ► this feeling of like you need to hold on

◼   ► to the original item but even even I in

◼   ► that moment like I think I would react

◼   ► the exact same way that you do I think

◼   ► there's there's like an impossibility to

◼   ► not have a kind of gut reaction about

◼   ► like this thing is incredibly valuable

◼   ► and irreplaceable and it's like perched

◼   ► on the

◼   ► even if in my head I know like oh my

◼   ► wife and I we agree like we'll just get

◼   ► another one and at this point if I were

◼   ► to lose it it wouldn't even be my

◼   ► original wedding ring it's just like a

◼   ► little gut reaction that I think what I

◼   ► would find impossible not to do even

◼   ► with intentionally no no put it like not

◼   ► trying to like D sacred ties the objects

◼   ► so that you're avoiding a future

◼   ► disaster yeah like it's funny on the

◼   ► total opposite end of the spectrum my

◼   ► father-in-law has never removed his

◼   ► wedding ring after he put it on for the

◼   ► first time at his wedding Wow and I I

◼   ► feel like that is a kind of streak that

◼   ► I couldn't psychologically handle it's

◼   ► just like this streak then becomes like

◼   ► too long and too powerful and I whenever

◼   ► anything like that would ever happen in

◼   ► my life I feel like I would

◼   ► intentionally D streak or D say critize

◼   ► those kind of things like you can't turn

◼   ► this into a thing it's like it's very

◼   ► impressive that he's done that but every

◼   ► time it ever comes up in conversation I

◼   ► just start getting nervous for him right

◼   ► but it's like you're gonna have to take

◼   ► off his ring at some point I wonder if

◼   ► like in quiet moments if he ever like

◼   ► loosens and let pulls it down towards

◼   ► his fingers like oh love the void maybe

◼   ► that's the whole reason he keeps the

◼   ► street going is that it's an exciting

◼   ► thing to do every once in a while live

◼   ► dangerously

◼   ► oh but I'm glad I'm glad you got your

◼   ► wedding ring back and I'm glad that your

◼   ► invincibility in dropping objects is has

◼   ► stayed with you it continues like it

◼   ► continues and I know I'm jinxing myself

◼   ► here and also I did too a bit of a lie I

◼   ► am very paranoid holding my phone at the

◼   ► edge of boats and things like that and I

◼   ► am the guy who always says do i careful

◼   ► with your phone when you're under bridge

◼   ► love like I do hold it really carefully

◼   ► so I am a bit paranoid about the edge of

◼   ► boats so I was being super careful when

◼   ► I took my phone out of the cap and just

◼   ► completely forgot that I put my ring in

◼   ► there is your wedding ring in there

◼   ► because I never take my ring off either

◼   ► really like I very rarely take it off

◼   ► interesting I take my wedding ring off

◼   ► fairly regularly like when I go to the

◼   ► gym I take it off because it's

◼   ► uncomfortable when holding the bars but

◼   ► I'm always aware of trying to remember

◼   ► very consciously like it is in the gym

◼   ► locker like in your pants pong and like

◼   ► don't forget like having a mental place

◼   ► of holding it where it is and I also

◼   ► just I tend to play with it as well like

◼   ► I tend to take the ring off and just

◼   ► like move it around in my hand and then

◼   ► put it back on yeah so I feel like it's

◼   ► a small miracle that I haven't lost a

◼   ► ring at some point it's only a matter of

◼   ► time why not join the three million

◼   ► people three million apparently who have

◼   ► turned to Harry's for a great shave at a

◼   ► great price now of course that number

◼   ► would be two million nine hundred ninety

◼   ► nine thousand nine hundred and ninety

◼   ► nine were it not for me because I am one

◼   ► of the Harry's shavers that is like a

◼   ► person who shaves with Harry's I'm not

◼   ► like a shaver itself like Excalibur

◼   ► ready for action my silver-handled

◼   ► Harry's sits proudly waiting in the

◼   ► bathroom ready for action whenever

◼   ► called upon now what is Harry's you ask

◼   ► well I'll share a little story you may

◼   ► not have heard before you see Harry's

◼   ► was started by two guys Jeff and Andy

◼   ► and they were sick of buying overpriced

◼   ► razors they bought their own German

◼   ► factory with over a hundred years of

◼   ► blade making experience they started

◼   ► producing their own razors and

◼   ► replacement blades with a goal of making

◼   ► shaving better and more economical for

◼   ► everyone now you can claim a free trial

◼   ► offer from Harry's today that's thirteen

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◼   ► for the shipping by going to their

◼   ► website that free trial set includes the

◼   ► weighted economic razor handle that's my

◼   ► favorite thing about Harry's I love the

◼   ► handles 5 precision engineered blades a

◼   ► rich lathering shave gel and there's

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◼   ► is a present for someone else which is

◼   ► also a good idea go to harrys.com / h i

◼   ► that website harrys.com / h i and now

◼   ► thanks to them for supporting this

◼   ► episode so gray this next one's gonna

◼   ► require a little bit of background and

◼   ► for people who follow me on twitter

◼   ► they'll probably already be quite aware

◼   ► of it and apologies for the who

◼   ► but it has been a bit of a distraction

◼   ► for me this week it shouldn't have been

◼   ► some reason I got sucked into a black

◼   ► hole I'm ashamed to have been sucked

◼   ► into and I want to tell you about it now

◼   ► yeah but you know what

◼   ► something like black holes get us all

◼   ► this stuff that you know that you

◼   ► shouldn't get sucked into but you know

◼   ► what every once in a while everyone gets

◼   ► suckered into something that they

◼   ► shouldn't so it's become a bit of a

◼   ► guilty play toy for me so let me tell

◼   ► you about it yes so first of all just by

◼   ► way of background so you're kind of in

◼   ► in the picture maybe a little bit of

◼   ► unnecessary background but it does help

◼   ► put things into context for a long time

◼   ► now there's this institution in the UK

◼   ► called the Radio Times I believe was

◼   ► started by it was certainly part of the

◼   ► BBC for a long time and I think it

◼   ► started as like a printed guide to radio

◼   ► listings so you knew what was on like a

◼   ► TV Guide for radio yeah exactly but what

◼   ► happened was it very quickly became the

◼   ► TV Guide for all of the UK as well it

◼   ► just kept the name Radio Times ok that's

◼   ► confusing yeah so forever in a day

◼   ► well back in the good old days before I

◼   ► was even in the UK I think having a copy

◼   ► of the Radio Times was pretty important

◼   ► because it was a good way to find out

◼   ► what was on TV and even to this day if

◼   ► my wife wants to know what's on TV shows

◼   ► sometimes say oh why don't you check the

◼   ► Radio Times website because obviously it

◼   ► evolved into a website now for obvious

◼   ► reasons this is not a business model

◼   ► that seems to have a strong future

◼   ► certainly printed copies even the

◼   ► website I think has limited value yeah I

◼   ► mean that the very concept of what's on

◼   ► TV now is I think a concept that is

◼   ► dying yeah the Radio Times very much

◼   ► evolved into like most of these TV

◼   ► guides also evolved into kind of like a

◼   ► magazine about news and what's happening

◼   ► in TV shows and what's happening on the

◼   ► radio so it's always got articles and

◼   ► things like that as well

◼   ► it's not just purely a function of TV

◼   ► Guide now a while ago now I'm pretty

◼   ► sure this is right if I'm wrong I'll

◼   ► take my beating later but the BBC sold

◼   ► the Radio Times they sold the brand I

◼   ► think they thought it wasn't really that

◼   ► valuable to them it still had a little

◼   ► bit of value to it so they sold it off

◼   ► so it's no longer a BBC commodity or

◼   ► asset it's just the Radio Times I'm not

◼   ► a follower of it but from the little bit

◼   ► I've looked

◼   ► this week I have the distinct impression

◼   ► it's gone a little bit trashy it's gone

◼   ► a little bit town market since the BBC

◼   ► offloaded it you can imagine in you know

◼   ► the fight to survive maybe there they're

◼   ► going a bit down market

◼   ► just my opinion apologies if I'm wrong

◼   ► so that's what the Radio Times is

◼   ► they've got this website a little bit

◼   ► trashy populist might be a nicer way to

◼   ► put it yeah it looks like they just have

◼   ► a bunch of news about celebrities like

◼   ► I'm just clicking around and it's like

◼   ► celebrity TV news stuff yeah so again a

◼   ► lot of this I have found out in

◼   ► retrospect but last year they had on

◼   ► their website they did some kind of

◼   ► popularity contest

◼   ► with different categories like who's

◼   ► your favorite actor who's your favorite

◼   ► TV star who's your favorite radio

◼   ► presenter and they did all this public

◼   ► online voting mm-hmm and I don't think

◼   ► you win anything in particular you're

◼   ► just like I think they call it like

◼   ► their champion their radio times

◼   ► champion or whatever and apparently it

◼   ► was quite popular last year so they've

◼   ► done it again this year and early in

◼   ► this year's contest it was brought to my

◼   ► attention and this is where the story

◼   ► starts for me and unbeknownst to you

◼   ► also starts for you because one of the

◼   ► categories they created this year

◼   ► instead of just having radio stars they

◼   ► seem to have radio and podcast mm-hmm

◼   ► they created some audio section it's not

◼   ► entirely clear what you're voting on or

◼   ► how one becomes the champion whether you

◼   ► are like you know I don't know if it's

◼   ► if you're good at your job or just

◼   ► popular or have a nice voice or whatever

◼   ► it is that doesn't seem to be specified

◼   ► it's just like a trashy contest online

◼   ► to drive lots of people to their website

◼   ► with pages with ads on it and get lots

◼   ► of clicks

◼   ► it's like clickbait isn't it and they're

◼   ► taking advantage of people's popularity

◼   ► these things happen now for reasons

◼   ► again unbeknownst to me how this

◼   ► happened you and I were lumped into this

◼   ► contest no it's not exactly clear to me

◼   ► how one becomes the champion I'm not

◼   ► sure if it was like for the person who

◼   ► like has the best voice or is the most

◼   ► entertaining or it's just a raw

◼   ► popularity contest which i think is what

◼   ► a kind of

◼   ► today well it says here that the radio

◼   ► and podcast champion is about who's got

◼   ► the velvet voice to claim the title well

◼   ► but it's actually just a popularity

◼   ► contest I did read that a velvet voice

◼   ► line and that did make me think Grey's

◼   ► demand but anyway let's talk about what

◼   ► happened obviously this is just like a

◼   ► clickbait click farm that we're all

◼   ► getting suckered into this is a machine

◼   ► to generate page views as well yes yes

◼   ► so all of this has happened unbeknownst

◼   ► to me it was drawn to my attention by a

◼   ► benign tweet where someone pointed it

◼   ► out that I clicked on and I landed on

◼   ► the page near the star of this

◼   ► competition now the way the competition

◼   ► is structured is the same in all the

◼   ► different categories but I'll just talk

◼   ► about the radio podcast category and

◼   ► what they seem to have done is created

◼   ► this huge list of audio personalities

◼   ► for lack of a better term because it's

◼   ► radio and podcast people all lumped

◼   ► together mm-hmm

◼   ► and I'm assuming it's very UK skewed

◼   ► mm-hmm because there's lots of British

◼   ► radio presenters in there lots of famous

◼   ► names from over the years and things

◼   ► like that and you and I obviously was in

◼   ► this list I don't know how on earth has

◼   ► happened but it happened well I mean I

◼   ► guess we're a UK podcast yeah but I

◼   ► don't know how the people at Radio Times

◼   ► knew about us and stuff like I would

◼   ► have thought we were a little bit

◼   ► obscure for them anyway we're there I do

◼   ► not think we would be a little bit

◼   ► obscure for the bit continue on all

◼   ► right so what happens is all of these

◼   ► people this massive list was broken into

◼   ► four groups Group a group B C and D like

◼   ► a World Cup or a sporting competition

◼   ► and apparently this division was done

◼   ► randomly you and I ended up in the same

◼   ► group we were in Group D well it was

◼   ► drawn to my attention myself and this

◼   ► other chap called Greg James who I've

◼   ► learned is like a very famous Radio One

◼   ► presenter in the UK BBC Radio 1 very

◼   ► popular with the young people he's like

◼   ► he's a big deal so him and I were like

◼   ► near the top and you were like 3rd or

◼   ► 4th or something but obviously there had

◼   ► not been many votes at this point

◼   ► because one or two votes here and there

◼   ► were dramatically changing the

◼   ► percentages of who got what right right

◼   ► and

◼   ► when I drew people was attention to this

◼   ► things changed rapidly and you

◼   ► absolutely skyrocketed to the top of the

◼   ► group D at one point you were like

◼   ► garnering 70% of the vote and myself in

◼   ► this chap called Greg James was sort of

◼   ► slugging it out for second place we were

◼   ► quite close I was encouraging people to

◼   ► actually vote for you because this is

◼   ► obviously a nonsense thing and sort of

◼   ► the the public recognition and like you

◼   ► winning a public vote like this would be

◼   ► so awkward that it would tickle me no

◼   ► end and be quite funny so I was quite

◼   ► happy to see you streaking away but yeah

◼   ► no I know I know exactly what you're up

◼   ► to here right like you're trying to put

◼   ► me in a difficult position if I were to

◼   ► win this thing I know I know what you're

◼   ► doing you're not doing me any favors

◼   ► yeah so anyway I thought this was very

◼   ► funny and you were running away in

◼   ► winning Group D and it got to the point

◼   ► where so many teams were involved and

◼   ► there was all this red a coordination

◼   ► going that I was even trying to

◼   ► manipulate the percentages and I was

◼   ► sort of saying let's try and get gray

◼   ► onto exactly you know two-thirds of the

◼   ► vote and things like that and for a

◼   ► while that was working but then you sort

◼   ► of came back a little bit but you ended

◼   ► up with over fifty percent of the vote

◼   ► in group day big big winner and I

◼   ► indulged this Greg James guy for second

◼   ► place no doubt because all the Tim's

◼   ► were playing around and this vote is the

◼   ► worst structured voting system in the

◼   ► history of voting because you can just

◼   ► vote multiple times you could just sit

◼   ► there and click some people are saying

◼   ► you can't vote twice in a minute on

◼   ► their browsers but other people they're

◼   ► just voting over and over again so the

◼   ► whole thing's a debacle yeah yeah

◼   ► there's no way that's true I have voted

◼   ► immediately after it's a debacle so

◼   ► anyway you won and I thought that was

◼   ► good and I actually hadn't really looked

◼   ► into what happened next and I assumed

◼   ► you would go off and then now compete

◼   ► with the winners of Group A B and C but

◼   ► we are nowhere near that stage yet

◼   ► because what it turns out what they then

◼   ► did to keep this clique farm running

◼   ► mm-hmm

◼   ► was the top eight people in each group

◼   ► then have this kind of head-to-head

◼   ► knockout contest so you're paired up

◼   ► with people now and there are these

◼   ► head-to-head battles so you were paired

◼   ► up with a woman called Jenny Murray

◼   ► who's the present

◼   ► of the woman's hour on BBC radio and

◼   ► that vote went along and you won that

◼   ► vote congratulations so you got to go

◼   ► through to the next stage I was paired

◼   ► up with someone very interesting I was

◼   ► paired up with a radio presenter called

◼   ► Chris Evans okay that's the name I know

◼   ► I know the name Chris Evans I don't know

◼   ► why but I know that name our American

◼   ► friends would know him because he

◼   ► presented top gear for a year just

◼   ► recently when the big top gear up he he

◼   ► was the guy that was brought in to try

◼   ► and save the show he's very very famous

◼   ► in the UK less famous elsewhere and

◼   ► funnily enough on that exact same day

◼   ► that I was paired up with him the BBC

◼   ► the big news story of the day in the UK

◼   ► was the BBC had been forced to release

◼   ► the salaries of all of their celebrities

◼   ► that earned over a hundred and fifty

◼   ► thousand pounds a year and Chris Evans

◼   ► came top of the list here and like

◼   ► something over 2 million pounds a year

◼   ► from the BBC so he was really really

◼   ► heavily in the news that day mm-hmm it

◼   ► was a big deal can you believe Chris

◼   ► Evans gets 2 million pounds of public

◼   ► money and all this sort of stuff and

◼   ► then the BBC were defending at saying

◼   ► look he hosts the most popular radio

◼   ► show on Europe's most popular radio

◼   ► station of course he's worth all this

◼   ► money and on the same day I was in this

◼   ► popularity contest with Chris Evans so

◼   ► this really amused me and most of my

◼   ► friends have no interest or don't even

◼   ► know about hello Internet so for me to

◼   ► be able to go on Facebook and say to my

◼   ► friend say look I'm in a popularity

◼   ► contest with Chris Evans who everyone

◼   ► knows that was like quite funny my

◼   ► friends were quite amused by that and lo

◼   ► and behold again thanks to the Tim's and

◼   ► probably thanks to the fact recipients

◼   ► was keeping a low media profile that day

◼   ► and was unlikely to tweet and ask all

◼   ► his fans to vote for him I don't see why

◼   ► but let's ignore that I won the vote

◼   ► like I I smashed Chris Evans so this was

◼   ► very amusing to me I think this allows

◼   ► you to officially put on your CV Brady

◼   ► Haran more popular than Chris F yes

◼   ► anyway so this was really funny and for

◼   ► me this was like my Wimbledon like Timmy

◼   ► I was like the journeyman tennis player

◼   ► in the early rounds of Wimbledon tennis

◼   ► tournament playing a high seed and

◼   ► winning and even though I don't win the

◼   ► tournament I was like a giant killer and

◼   ► I'd had my moment so anyway we went

◼   ► through to the next round

◼   ► I was paired up next time with my

◼   ► nemesis Greg James again this red here

◼   ► one presenter who I advised for second

◼   ► place with the first time around

◼   ► and I was like joking around on Twitter

◼   ► like saying I look at my nemesis but I

◼   ► didn't actually know that much about him

◼   ► to be honest like I knew he was like

◼   ► very popular

◼   ► very popular

◼   ► hello and that so I went to his

◼   ► Wikipedia page just to learn more about

◼   ► him and the Tim's had already beaten me

◼   ► there and in the part of Wikipedia page

◼   ► where it was like you write about that

◼   ► personal information it said his arch

◼   ► nemesis is Brady Haran the YouTube video

◼   ► creator and podcast he was officially

◼   ► vs. no I'm just like man I'm just

◼   ► laughing because it's like there's this

◼   ► virus there's like these minor pages of

◼   ► Wikipedia yeah I have seen editors that

◼   ► specifically reference like hello

◼   ► Internet vandalism reverted know what

◼   ► people are up to and again I would never

◼   ► encourage these hilarious edits on minor

◼   ► pages like it's not something that you

◼   ► should do with the Wikipedia but it's

◼   ► just like it just really I love the idea

◼   ► that this random person is enlisted as

◼   ► your heart anyway that was me and you

◼   ► were put up against this guy called

◼   ► Steve Allen who I have to admit again I

◼   ► wasn't familiar with but I learned is a

◼   ► very popular London talk show host and

◼   ► has been around for years and years and

◼   ► has won awards and you know good on him

◼   ► very big name in radio apparently okay

◼   ► I'll take your word for it

◼   ► hmm so you are winning against him and I

◼   ► was holding my own against Greg James

◼   ► and like the teams were getting involved

◼   ► and I saw coordination on reddit which

◼   ► led to the coining of two new terms both

◼   ► of which I quite like

◼   ► one is Tim work whom Tim's work together

◼   ► to make cently happen I like that that's

◼   ► great yeah and the other one was Tim

◼   ► Foley

◼   ► also a good one

◼   ► those are great words that's fantastic

◼   ► so there was a lot of Tim work and Tim

◼   ► foolery going around and I believe

◼   ► scripts and algorithms were being

◼   ► written to try and ballot stuff and help

◼   ► us out I mean hey the website says vote

◼   ► early vote often like forty one yeah so

◼   ► anyway I went on to win my vote against

◼   ► my nemesis Greg James and that was

◼   ► setting up the much-anticipated and

◼   ► talked about final in Group D against

◼   ► you and everyone was so curious about

◼   ► what would happen when you and I were

◼   ► placed head-to-head and I already had

◼   ► all my jokes and gags and things I was

◼   ► going to do ready it was going to be so

◼   ► much fun

◼   ► but Steve Allen supporters they got

◼   ► together on Facebook and elsewhere and

◼   ► they put in a really concerted effort

◼   ► and obviously you were oblivious to all

◼   ► this so you weren't trying to manipulate

◼   ► the process anyway well no I knew this

◼   ► thing was happening because you I'd seen

◼   ► it the day before get started but it was

◼   ► one of these things I quickly realized

◼   ► the last thing in the world that I want

◼   ► is to win this poll right so that's why

◼   ► I was like I'm gonna shut the hell up on

◼   ► Twitter like that's my strategy like I

◼   ► would I decided to close my mouth about

◼   ► this yeah well there were rumors

◼   ► abounded that you so didn't want to win

◼   ► that you were actually writing scripts

◼   ► and you were manipulating the vote in

◼   ► favor of Steve Allen I cannot comment on

◼   ► that well whatever the reason well Steve

◼   ► Allen came back and he won so that was

◼   ► the end of you I'm afraid you were

◼   ► knocked out yes thank you Steve Allen so

◼   ► to win Group D and this is going on at

◼   ► the moment I should point out for people

◼   ► listening so you're not going to get

◼   ► resolution in this podcast this is

◼   ► occurring live we're live podcasting

◼   ► about this so to win Group D it was me

◼   ► versus Steve Allen and like I have to

◼   ► say I didn't care about winning I didn't

◼   ► want to win I wanted you to win I wasn't

◼   ► competitive about it I wasn't too

◼   ► bothered I'd had my fun I had my moment

◼   ► with Chris Evans who was the only person

◼   ► in the list who was really really famous

◼   ► to me yeah and I'd beaten him so I felt

◼   ► like I'd had my fun and I had my moment

◼   ► and whatever happens happens

◼   ► yeah and I was keeping an eye on it from

◼   ► time to time because people were

◼   ► tweeting me and early on I was like a

◼   ► head and then Steve Allen was pegging me

◼   ► back and it was pretty much 50/50 and he

◼   ► seems to have these surges later that's

◼   ► what happened against you he had this

◼   ► late surge so I thought okay well he's

◼   ► gonna win he's obviously a big famous

◼   ► award-winning radio presenter and good

◼   ► luck to him but then someone pointed out

◼   ► to me a tweet that he had written and it

◼   ► kind of riled me up a little bit yeah so

◼   ► I came across this as well and I

◼   ► understand what you're sort of

◼   ► hesitating to say here because in like

◼   ► in this story I am totally with you it's

◼   ► like oh this has been like a funny thing

◼   ► but then Steve Allen tweets

◼   ► I'm through to the quarterfinals so we

◼   ► need to vote again on the

◼   ► Radio Times website it's another person

◼   ► I've never heard of please vote another

◼   ► person I've never heard of yet so this

◼   ► is referring to the both of us yeah as

◼   ► like it's somebody I've never heard of

◼   ► vote for me against this nobody that's

◼   ► what it sounds like it's kind of feels a

◼   ► bit that way doesn't know we're a couple

◼   ► of nobodies and go and vote for me a bit

◼   ► sort this out

◼   ► it totally does like always with tweets

◼   ► you know it's like you can't people are

◼   ► terrible at reading the thing the way

◼   ► someone means for it to be read yeah but

◼   ► when I came across this because now I'm

◼   ► in the position of I have nothing to

◼   ► worry about and it's you versus Steve

◼   ► Allen now in my mind this thing is

◼   ► totally switched because I feel like

◼   ► Steve Allen well guess what Steve Allen

◼   ► I don't know who the hell you are right

◼   ► but you you are not treating Brady with

◼   ► the respect he deserves and Dave and I

◼   ► want to see you crushed like I don't

◼   ► want to see Brady just win like I want

◼   ► to see you a crowned into the goddamn

◼   ► dust by a podcast with many many

◼   ► hundreds of thousands of followers right

◼   ► it's like somebody you've never heard of

◼   ► and what like you can't bother to type

◼   ► it into Google for two seconds to look

◼   ► up who dr. Brady Haran is like you can't

◼   ► figure this out you can't even look at

◼   ► this guy on Twitter who has way more

◼   ► Twitter followers than you like there's

◼   ► something about it which whether he

◼   ► intended or not like just comes off as

◼   ► incredibly dismissive and it's like it's

◼   ► because he's against you I feel really

◼   ► emotionally invested your victory over

◼   ► Steve Allen like I really do this guy

◼   ► I've never heard of but like I would

◼   ► never go on the internet and be like Oh

◼   ► Brady's got a beat some Rando I've never

◼   ► heard of just go vote right and in it

◼   ► like in a very

◼   ► assumptive way like something about it

◼   ► just drives me crazy and so like

◼   ► whatever you're gonna say I feel like I

◼   ► feel it ten times more than you do

◼   ► oh that's nice I tell you what gray he's

◼   ► heard of us now yeah I hope so

◼   ► so I don't know what's gonna happen I

◼   ► don't know whether Steve Allen is going

◼   ► to defeat the both of us well here's the

◼   ► thing I don't know what's going to

◼   ► happen I can simply say at this very

◼   ► moment I have just checked the results

◼   ► and so far we have managed to push you

◼   ► into an 81 percent victory over 19

◼   ► percent for Steve Allen so so far we're

◼   ► doing pretty well I don't know when this

◼   ► round finishes but he's got quite a lead

◼   ► to overcome at this point and I'm I'm

◼   ► still going to be promoting this on

◼   ► Twitter like I want to see that

◼   ► disparity get as high as it can get

◼   ► I'm kinda hoping he gets a bit sour

◼   ► grapes about if it happens that way but

◼   ► I don't know what's gonna happen but I

◼   ► don't know when it ends it ends in a

◼   ► couple of days actually so it's gonna be

◼   ► a long battle this one but you know what

◼   ► couple of days it gives us plenty of

◼   ► time to push that up even higher yeah

◼   ► like keep going and keep cut but like

◼   ► okay so I feel like I sort of jumped in

◼   ► over you here because of the intensity

◼   ► of my emotion over this pointless and

◼   ► poorly rigged popularity contests that

◼   ► is a fartist that is entirely to

◼   ► generate money for a lowbrow TV Guide

◼   ► right the whole thing is just comical

◼   ► but like what is life if we don't get

◼   ► ridiculously upset over things that

◼   ► don't matter right no fun at all that's

◼   ► what it is but so I feel like I jumped

◼   ► in on this how do you feel Brady how

◼   ► does that tweet make you feel do you

◼   ► know what not really riled but there are

◼   ► you know among my many vices two of them

◼   ► are people treating new media with

◼   ► disrespect like old media like TV and

◼   ► radio people treating online video and

◼   ► podcasts disrespectful yeah like it's

◼   ► the second-class citizen I feel like

◼   ► he's done that a little bit and the

◼   ► other problem I have is like I do get a

◼   ► bit competitive about games this is why

◼   ► I don't play games like those read on

◼   ► that because I'm a little bit

◼   ► competitive I'd managed to completely

◼   ► Park that I was like I don't care I

◼   ► still don't care about like what happens

◼   ► when it goes to group a and B and D you

◼   ► know those people

◼   ► there's some big famous people in there

◼   ► and I I hope they win like I don't care

◼   ► about winning but this one now

◼   ► like I've kind of got a little bit

◼   ► about and I'm like ah you know what now

◼   ► I do kind of want to win this one yeah

◼   ► I'm with you on that entirely yeah yeah

◼   ► and like if the other people in the

◼   ► other groups I'm sure they don't even

◼   ► care about this and I'm sure they're not

◼   ► kind of like tweek you know I'll look

◼   ► I'm against some nobody

◼   ► I don't even know what's happening and

◼   ► that's fine and you know they deserve to

◼   ► win because they're big famous popular

◼   ► people and this is just a popularity

◼   ► contest but this guy riled me a bit and

◼   ► so it has brought out a little bit of my

◼   ► competitive streak so I was saying to

◼   ► people come on you know help me out so

◼   ► when a big protective uncle gray weighed

◼   ► in and said let's crush this going to

◼   ► the grave I did feel like thanks man one

◼   ► of my favorite things I saw today a

◼   ► friend of ours Logan from who works for

◼   ► Ted ed and call me Ishmael

◼   ► of course he saw what was going on and

◼   ► he sent out a small message to some of

◼   ► his friends on slack and not only do I

◼   ► like that he was helping me out I also

◼   ► loved how he described the competition

◼   ► he wrote our pal Brady Haran from purely

◼   ► videos in hello internet etc has

◼   ► advanced to round four of the radio

◼   ► turns radio and quad cast Championships

◼   ► and then he wrote the contest is

◼   ► basically the Grammy Awards meets human

◼   ► of the year makes Twitter polls but

◼   ► bigger cast your vote here so I don't

◼   ► know what's gonna happen I don't know

◼   ► what's gonna happen but like I kind of

◼   ► wouldn't mind flying the flag for group

◼   ► D now just because of this but we'll see

◼   ► it's gonna be a long day and a half if

◼   ► we're gonna do it but I think we're

◼   ► gonna win but it's totally right that

◼   ► this does this does touch on this weird

◼   ► I don't even know how to put it but

◼   ► there is like this weird still dismissal

◼   ► stroke antagonism between old media like

◼   ► toward new media and particularly in the

◼   ► personalities and I don't know I feel

◼   ► like there's something that has really

◼   ► shifted here because I remember you and

◼   ► I a few years ago we used to have

◼   ► conversations about internet fame versus

◼   ► what I used to call real fame I was like

◼   ► oh there's real famous people and

◼   ► there's internet famous people yeah and

◼   ► while I do think that there are still

◼   ► important differences between those two

◼   ► levels and in terms of things like pure

◼   ► name wreck

◼   ► mission for example yeah I feel like

◼   ► with the with the changes that have

◼   ► happened over the past few years I feel

◼   ► like something has switched and now the

◼   ► now like internet fame feels more like

◼   ► the real Fame and old media or like

◼   ► movie or TV people they're famous in a

◼   ► way that is more widely recognizable but

◼   ► just somehow feels less real to me than

◼   ► internet fame I simply mean this in the

◼   ► way like when I think of the creators

◼   ► that I follow the people who are famous

◼   ► to me because I follow the work that

◼   ► they do

◼   ► yeah when I say it's more real I have

◼   ► this feeling like I have some better

◼   ► sense of who those people are and

◼   ► there's something that just feels very

◼   ► produced and artificial about old media

◼   ► creations and of course sometimes that's

◼   ► what you want like you want a movie to

◼   ► be an artificially created thing but I

◼   ► just I feel like there's something that

◼   ► has switched in my mind about these two

◼   ► things and I would never I would never

◼   ► use that phrase any more like real Fame

◼   ► to describe someone who is in movies

◼   ► it's just like internet fame now feels

◼   ► more real or it may be it's like it's

◼   ► more close is a better word to describe

◼   ► it I don't know it's just but it's like

◼   ► partly because I feel like the switch

◼   ► has happened in my mind I feel more

◼   ► riled when I see old media people be

◼   ► like casually dismissive of a thing and

◼   ► especially even like the incredibly

◼   ► broad audience of YouTube channels and

◼   ► podcasts it's it's like on the Internet

◼   ► you don't know who you're necessarily

◼   ► messing with when it's at like another

◼   ► internet creator because it's sometimes

◼   ► harder to find out like what our viewer

◼   ► listenership numbers so yeah it's just

◼   ► it just bothered me it really did bother

◼   ► me that tweeted riled me up well I've

◼   ► appreciated your support because I have

◼   ► no delusion that you that big popper

◼   ► weighing into the Twitter debate has

◼   ► certainly upped the ante someone I have

◼   ► to say though I don't entirely agree

◼   ► with what you said about the internet

◼   ► fame and I I don't think I'm completely

◼   ► on board with you like tell me what you

◼   ► mean well certainly going to this most

◼   ► recent VidCon because this was the first

◼   ► time I've been to VidCon since epoch

◼   ► oh god of course I feel my monster that

◼   ► it is yes I keep forgetting that this

◼   ► was your first VidCon yeah okay I went

◼   ► to like the second one when it was a bit

◼   ► more low-key but this was my first one