The Accidental Tech Podcast

227: Typing on Pillows


  hi this is me and I'm talking to you [TS]

  things are happening John sounds good [TS]

  Marco the fact that you're asking me if [TS]

  I'm still here is alarming but I'm just [TS]

  going to keep talking until somebody [TS]

  starts to interrupt me and talks over me [TS]

  which is pretty much the story of this [TS]

  entire show a serenity Caldwell friend [TS]

  of the show has some iPad size [TS]

  comparisons and so we'll put a few links [TS]

  in the show notes I briefly earlier [TS]

  tonight handled my friend Steve's iPad [TS]

  and was playing with his 10.5 and it [TS]

  again seems nice it doesn't really seem [TS]

  any different in size in the hand than [TS]

  the iPad I used to own the full size [TS]

  iPad but Sorrenti has some thoughts and [TS]

  some comparisons and things so I don't [TS]

  know John you want to take us through [TS]

  this I like the the diagram she [TS]

  originally tweeted them one Dyess [TS]

  presumably when she was writing the [TS]

  article but those little like yellow [TS]

  rectangle diagrams take a look at the [TS]

  one that shows the iPad body size [TS]

  comparison you got like the Mini is a [TS]

  little thing up in the corner and then [TS]

  the twelve point nine inch iPad pro is [TS]

  the big thing the difference between the [TS]

  nine point seven and that ten point five [TS]

  is so tiny proportionally that's why [TS]

  they feel almost the same because they [TS]

  really almost are the same and if you [TS]

  look at the screen difference between [TS]

  nine point seven ten point five it's a [TS]

  little more uniform where it's not like [TS]

  a you know it's it's more substantial [TS]

  looking so this is a great [TS]

  representation of how they've managed to [TS]

  put a bigger screen on an iPad that's [TS]

  not that much bigger and why it doesn't [TS]

  feel monstrous why it just feels like [TS]

  you know if you give to a regular person [TS]

  and they do aren't intimately familiar [TS]

  with a nine point seven they might not [TS]

  even notice the physical size of the [TS]

  thing is bigger so I think that's a big [TS]

  selling point of this device and if you [TS]

  had any doubts take a look at these [TS]

  diagrams they're pretty convincing [TS]

  speaking of serenity Caldwell she also [TS]

  has some information about typing to [TS]

  Siri in iOS 11 so in iOS 11 when it [TS]

  comes down the fall users will be able [TS]

  to turn on type to Siri in their [TS]

  accessibility settings which will let [TS]

  you write your commands to Siri rather [TS]

  than shouting them into space which we [TS]

  had known about but you know she has a [TS]

  little bit more detail and I don't I [TS]

  can't decide if this is going to be [TS]

  awesome [TS]

  or kind of redundant in useless it's [TS]

  nice to have that [TS]

  because sometimes either don't want to [TS]

  speak out loud but you want to use the [TS]

  functionality provided by Siri you know [TS]

  even if it's just I don't know if this [TS]

  is the case but imagine for example that [TS]

  you routinely asked to set a timer or [TS]

  reminder and a spoken way but you're not [TS]

  you know you don't want to go through [TS]

  the hassle of like launching the [TS]

  reminders app and then typing that same [TS]

  English sentence into the interval [TS]

  reminder new reminder field what you can [TS]

  do you can say like you know pick up [TS]

  laundry at 4:00 p.m. tomorrow and the [TS]

  reminder will like set itself to 4:00 [TS]

  p.m. tomorrow in the name of the thing [TS]

  will they pick up laundry but if you [TS]

  spend most of your time interacting with [TS]

  Siri you may not know sort of the syntax [TS]

  that is understandable by reminders and [TS]

  I don't think it's exactly the same [TS]

  syntax that Siri understands so it's [TS]

  nice to be able to essentially type into [TS]

  sort of a wone one-stop shop for all the [TS]

  things that you can make your phone do [TS]

  in a vaguely unattended way and not have [TS]

  to say oh I'm in a place where I can't [TS]

  speak out loud so rather than me trying [TS]

  to whisper to Siri let me just type with [TS]

  my thumbs the thing I know will work [TS]

  with Siri in a nice quiet way because [TS]

  like all sane people you have key clicks [TS]

  turned off but I don't know how people [TS]

  have key clicks on Ryan Jones made in an [TS]

  interesting observation via Twitter he [TS]

  said this is with regard to iOS 11 on [TS]

  the iPhone you can lock an iPhone I [TS]

  still haven't had a chance to play with [TS]

  this I want to see this but anyway he [TS]

  said you can lock an iPhone by pulling [TS]

  down from the top and additionally [TS]

  there's a software shutdown button in [TS]

  settings this is still quoting Ryan very [TS]

  fishy the power button may not be long [TS]

  for this world [TS]

  so Ryan's point is if you can lock your [TS]

  phone rather than with the button on the [TS]

  right hand side on most phones these [TS]

  days but rather by just swiping down [TS]

  from the top and if there's a software [TS]

  shutdown button then what is the purpose [TS]

  of that right-hand button anymore [TS]

  obviously to turn it on but there's no [TS]

  reason you couldn't use one of the other [TS]

  buttons to do that so does that mean the [TS]

  power button is going away in the future [TS]

  and if so what are we going to do about [TS]

  screenshots man I want my screenshots so [TS]

  I have an alternative theory on this one [TS]

  I'm thinking that you know that first of [TS]

  all I really hope they don't get rid of [TS]

  this [TS]

  like button you know it it serves a very [TS]

  useful purpose and while they might be [TS]

  able to come out with software [TS]

  workarounds I I like having that [TS]

  physical button there to control that [TS]

  very very useful function of sleeping [TS]

  and waking the phone and if they get rid [TS]

  of it I assume they'll have some kind of [TS]

  like other way to sleep it or automatic [TS]

  I don't know anyway [TS]

  you know there's also like different [TS]

  recovery things that this enables but [TS]

  the biggest thing that I think this [TS]

  might not be a big deal is maybe that [TS]

  button is that is being added to [TS]

  settings not because they're getting rid [TS]

  of the power button but because they've [TS]

  learned that a lot of people don't know [TS]

  how to turn their phones off like the [TS]

  way you turn your front of us to hold [TS]

  this button down for a while how many [TS]

  people know that I bet a lot of people [TS]

  actually don't I wish fewer people know [TS]

  knew it I'm having just taken a couple [TS]

  plane flights and seeing people on a [TS]

  plane both seated next to me and other [TS]

  seats because you know see them walking [TS]

  up down the aisle so to the bathroom or [TS]

  peeking through the edge of the seats [TS]

  when I see people who own iOS devices [TS]

  who turn them off like off off shut down [TS]

  completely when they're done using them [TS]

  and then boot them back up when they [TS]

  want to use them again multiple times [TS]

  during the flight I want to pull just [TS]

  just don't just don't do it just hit [TS]

  like hit the power button or whatever [TS]

  just put it back in your bag and when [TS]

  you take it out later just hit any kind [TS]

  of button on and it will come back on [TS]

  instantly pick up where you left off and [TS]

  it will be fine but people want some [TS]

  people want to turn them off and you [TS]

  know how long they take the boot it's [TS]

  not a fast boot process it's that I [TS]

  don't know maddening so I don't think [TS]

  the I think you're right Marco the most [TS]

  people don't know how to turn off their [TS]

  phone I don't think people should you [TS]

  know how to turn it like it's not it's [TS]

  not a thing that they should be doing [TS]

  routinely obviously if there's some kind [TS]

  of troubleshooting you need to reboot it [TS]

  or whatever look it up online or you [TS]

  know you can figure it out or ask [TS]

  somebody or worst case go to the Apple [TS]

  store and they will show you but it [TS]

  should not be routine part of [TS]

  everybody's day so I don't want a way [TS]

  for people to better know how to shut [TS]

  down their phone that's not that that's [TS]

  not a good idea right and additionally [TS]

  Ryan noted that in iOS 11 there's a [TS]

  setting to quote [TS]

  offload endquote unused apps so there's [TS]

  a screenshot offload unused apps and [TS]

  then there's a on/off switch this will [TS]

  automatically remove on use apps but [TS]

  keep its documents and data reinstalling [TS]

  the Apple place back that's an odd [TS]

  phrasing reinstalling the Apple place [TS]

  back your data if the app is still [TS]

  available in the App Store which is very [TS]

  interesting because a lot of us I'm sure [TS]

  I'm included in that as well have a [TS]

  whole bunch of ancient apps on our [TS]

  phones that we think will need one day [TS]

  but probably never will so in settings [TS]

  and iTunes and App Store's in iOS 11 in [TS]

  the beta there's offload unused apps [TS]

  which is kind of cool and kind of [TS]

  interesting there this is an interesting [TS]

  problem that I think maybe Apple's [TS]

  trying to solve like Gruber's been [TS]

  blogging a little bit about this [TS]

  recently about how like the size of apps [TS]

  just the sheer size of apps is just [TS]

  tremendous in the last couple of years [TS]

  so many very common popular apps are [TS]

  like well over a hundred Meg's and [TS]

  that's and you know it's full of like [TS]

  bloat from frameworks and various assets [TS]

  and everything and Apple has tried to do [TS]

  various things to reduce this you know [TS]

  the the app thinning group of [TS]

  initiatives and and various technologies [TS]

  and things like that but ultimately if [TS]

  you think about like how much collective [TS]

  bandwidth and battery power are being [TS]

  used by the App Store diligently auto [TS]

  updating apps that people are not [TS]

  actually using ever on their phones like [TS]

  that it there's you can definitely a [TS]

  good argument for why not only should [TS]

  this feature exist but it might even [TS]

  maybe it should even be defaulted to on [TS]

  because there's just a tremendous amount [TS]

  of data and battery being wasted to [TS]

  update like 50 hundred mega apps that on [TS]

  people's phones that are buried in some [TS]

  folder somewhere they're never actually [TS]

  using so it is an interesting problem I [TS]

  do think it is wise for Apple to start [TS]

  tackling this somehow but we'll have to [TS]

  see I guess the implementation details [TS]

  of how this is actually done just to [TS]

  know whether this is the right solution [TS]

  or not I don't think this should be on [TS]

  by default because the idea that your [TS]

  phone like rots [TS]

  like the like a couple couple screens [TS]

  away the app that you only use once in a [TS]

  blue moon then the one time you want to [TS]

  use it it's like oh I don't have this [TS]

  app I have to redownload it and you have [TS]

  to wait for it and you're on a bad [TS]

  connection or it's a large app or [TS]

  something like that [TS]

  this direct me is a good idea I think a [TS]

  a nice copy and here's the thing that [TS]

  someone someone's phone like fills up [TS]

  and they go to the Apple Store like hey [TS]

  my my phone is filled up man which I bet [TS]

  is I bet as a Genius Bar thing they get [TS]

  a lot help me what do I do [TS]

  how do I make more space beyond my phone [TS]

  aside from buying a new one and it's [TS]

  like well there any apps you're not [TS]

  using let's sort them by size let's go [TS]

  to the usage screen in settings and see [TS]

  what's using most of your space and all [TS]

  those things that I'm sure the Genius [TS]

  Bar people do all the time one possible [TS]

  solution I found reasonably nice that is [TS]

  not the same as this preference city [TS]

  that you manually turn on or is on by [TS]

  default it slowly rots out the [TS]

  applications that you don't use and just [TS]

  deletes them out from under you makes [TS]

  them like these little booby traps that [TS]

  cause big downloads when you tap on them [TS]

  is to do what slack does and say every [TS]

  once in a while and I know this sounds [TS]

  like nagging and Skype does this type of [TS]

  thing all the time but I found it not to [TS]

  be particularly annoying it says not a [TS]

  fairly infrequent schedule hey I've [TS]

  noticed these three apps that are this [TS]

  big you haven't used them in six months [TS]

  do you want to delete them and you'd say [TS]

  no and you can say don't bother me about [TS]

  this again or you can say yes and that [TS]

  seems like do that like once a month [TS]

  right and have that be a preference but [TS]

  have it on by default or something I bet [TS]

  people would go oh yeah I forgot I [TS]

  installed that game delete or they'll [TS]

  say you know as long as you have the [TS]

  button that says no and never asked me [TS]

  about this again it will never ask you [TS]

  about that app again you know it's like [TS]

  those four tons of stuff hey these [TS]

  channels haven't had anyone talk to them [TS]

  in a while do you want to keep them or [TS]

  do you not want to keep them you know [TS]

  like maybe this lack frequency is a [TS]

  little bit more frequent I don't know [TS]

  what their frequency is but I find that [TS]

  a very useful you know if I was a [TS]

  marketing person I would say it's an [TS]

  intelligent assistant it uses machine [TS]

  there but bottom line is it presents [TS]

  options in an understandable way uh [TS]

  without introducing any new mechanics [TS]

  and in gaming parlance like the [TS]

  mechanics are still you have apps you [TS]

  know you can delete them right you have [TS]

  you good [TS]

  you can delete them every once in a [TS]

  while the thing will ask you you have [TS]

  useless do you want me to delete it as [TS]

  opposed to let me introduce the concept [TS]

  of offloading to you and now do you want [TS]

  me to do that automatically in a way you [TS]

  have no awareness of yes or no so that I [TS]

  mean we'll say well I'll try it I will [TS]

  probably turn on to because I have tons [TS]

  of apps that I don't use that frequently [TS]

  but I well maybe I won't turn on because [TS]

  I don't want to like offload my [TS]

  downloaded for the 24 hours they were up [TS]

  illegal NES emulator apps that I've had [TS]

  my phone for I don't want it to delete [TS]

  that something and in typical Apple [TS]

  fashion it's not as if I'll be able to [TS]

  exclude those or anything so I guess I [TS]

  probably won't turn this on yeah I mean [TS]

  I think it makes a lot of sense for [TS]

  people of which there are many who are [TS]

  really short on space on their phone [TS]

  pretty much all the time and this is you [TS]

  know largely because Apple has for so [TS]

  long sold phones with really small [TS]

  storage sizes as the base model and I [TS]

  think that's that's less of a problem [TS]

  with the recent phones but there's still [TS]

  a lot of those out there a lot of those [TS]

  like 16 gig phones are still being used [TS]

  and and so there's this is a big problem [TS]

  for lots of people or people who for any [TS]

  size phone their story just full of like [TS]

  photos and videos and stuff and they [TS]

  don't want to or can't pay for [TS]

  additional iCloud storage and everything [TS]

  so like like they need the space and so [TS]

  you know I think I would venture that [TS]

  venture gets that space management is a [TS]

  really big very common problem for iOS [TS]

  device owners so anything to reduce [TS]

  space is a good thing especially in this [TS]

  age where pretty much any app you [TS]

  download is gonna be like 90 Meg's all [TS]

  right [TS]

  we have some observations from front of [TS]

  the shows detron smith ipad multitasking [TS]

  spaces persist after you reboot so they [TS]

  can be permanent [TS]

  which just heightens my desire to be [TS]

  able to pin favorites [TS]

  so apparently spaces are a thing and [TS]

  there are persistent things so that you [TS]

  can kind of set up your different you [TS]

  know multitasking pains and whatnot for [TS]

  different tasks and just swipe between [TS]

  them as necessary not unlike what you [TS]

  would do on the Mac yeah pinning [TS]

  favorites like you know the fact that it [TS]

  keeps track of what you did hey you put [TS]

  messages on one side and like your text [TS]

  editor on the other and you put slack on [TS]

  one side and a web browser [TS]

  the other and like it keeps those as [TS]

  little spaces and it keeps them together [TS]

  and it's good that it keeps track of [TS]

  them if it really does because people [TS]

  will like as I've said a million times [TS]

  people want to arrange their working [TS]

  environment in the way that suits them [TS]

  but they will they will give up doing it [TS]

  if they spend any amount of time [TS]

  arranging and then that arrangement is [TS]

  forgotten I've always you know you [TS]

  springboard is the my modern example to [TS]

  get people to understand spatial [TS]

  interfaces if you picked up your phone [TS]

  and all of a sudden all your icons in [TS]

  springboard were randomly arranged and [TS]

  everything was out of your folders and [TS]

  all scrambled over hey you'd be pissed [TS]

  and be up to three times you would stop [TS]

  rearranging stuff in springboard you'd [TS]

  be like why bother why do I bother [TS]

  carefully making these screens because [TS]

  next time I pick up my phone chances are [TS]

  good that everything will just be [TS]

  randomly shuffled right that's that's [TS]

  how the finder is to me these days but [TS]

  yet to get people to understand like why [TS]

  do you care why do you care about your [TS]

  screens you hear all these podcasts you [TS]

  know cortex talks about it all the time [TS]

  I think they talked about hello internet [TS]

  we've talked about in here talked about [TS]

  it on connected upgrade is there a tech [TS]

  show that hasn't talked about hey how do [TS]

  you arrange your homescreen the fact [TS]

  that that is a discussion topic at all [TS]

  is because you can arrange your home [TS]

  screen you can arrange springboard and [TS]

  you put things in a place and they stay [TS]

  there and that's why it is the thing at [TS]

  all so with with spaces having them [TS]

  persist is great because that will let [TS]

  people start to get kind of an [TS]

  arrangement and being able to pin [TS]

  favorites to say like I guess it sorts [TS]

  them in like most recently used order or [TS]

  something I don't know I haven't tried [TS]

  it but I'm assuming it's some kind of [TS]

  automatic order that says all right well [TS]

  when you go back to that switcher the [TS]

  last two or three spaces you used will [TS]

  you know will be in the first two or [TS]

  three positions someone so forth if you [TS]

  could pin a small set of things to say [TS]

  no matter what I do with my iPad these [TS]

  spaces are always in this position that [TS]

  would also I think help people's [TS]

  workflows because they have kind of a [TS]

  way of working and a set of applications [TS]

  that they group together and they're [TS]

  going to do other stuff they're going to [TS]

  jump off does some other weird [TS]

  application go over here over there but [TS]

  when they come back to the switcher to [TS]

  be able to know when you invoke the [TS]

  switcher just just stab in this vision [TS]

  and it will always be your Safari [TS]

  messages space or whatever this is you [TS]

  know this is a tiny miniature version of [TS]

  window arrangement on personal computers [TS]

  but as we've seen the personal computers [TS]

  just too many damn windows mostly [TS]

  they don't even though these spaces like [TS]

  hazy does I rarely see people who aren't [TS]

  pretty darn computer nerdy develop any [TS]

  kind of system with spaces just because [TS]

  it's so it's so difficult to do the same [TS]

  thing to try to with an iPad to pin them [TS]

  to say this space should be here and it [TS]

  should be fullscreen and should have [TS]

  this there that shut these three windows [TS]

  in and it should never change if you if [TS]

  you can do that on the iPad if you make [TS]

  more people be able to do that on the [TS]

  iPad people who will be a lot happier [TS]

  people who could not accomplish the same [TS]

  task on a Mac more from Steve Stratton [TS]

  Smith iOS 11 let's document pay based [TS]

  apps pretty much present the filesystem [TS]

  as their launch UI replacing all the [TS]

  galleries or grid views that everyone [TS]

  writes so this is kind of cool that you [TS]

  can just use basically a file browser as [TS]

  the thing you land on when you launch an [TS]

  app and so that makes a lot of your [TS]

  redundant code that all these different [TS]

  companies and people have written just [TS]

  go away which is really exciting and [TS]

  this is more embracing of the iPad [TS]

  having a file system I put this in here [TS]

  because I just immediately upon reading [TS]

  this tweet imagined the very first [TS]

  application that tries to ship and do [TS]

  this the App Store rejects it says sorry [TS]

  you can't show the file picker does not [TS]

  totally sound like an app store type [TS]

  thing I mean he means technically [TS]

  speaking yes now there's like a canned [TS]

  Apple view that shows you the file [TS]

  system and a lot of applications that [TS]

  make sense where it on Mac apps do it [TS]

  where you you've launched office apps do [TS]

  it and maybe in pages you launch and you [TS]

  get an open save dialog or you get well [TS]

  I guess someone do all those custom [TS]

  galleries like choose from these [TS]

  templates and make a new go document or [TS]

  whatever but in many types of [TS]

  applications that is a natural way to do [TS]

  it and I think most of the best iOS [TS]

  applications still we want to write [TS]

  their own like procreate or whatever or [TS]

  like Lamia however you pronounce the [TS]

  name of the icon factory app they all [TS]

  have kind of a view where it shows you [TS]

  here's all your stuff and especially if [TS]

  it's an image editing application to [TS]

  show you little thumbnails and stuff [TS]

  rather than showing you just a bunch of [TS]

  file icons but if you really do have an [TS]

  application that mostly deals with just [TS]

  files that are not graphics files it [TS]

  might make sense to launch into the [TS]

  Apple provided picker at least maybe in [TS]

  version one of your app before you until [TS]

  you make the fancy version that shows [TS]

  you a preview like the Google [TS]

  zap shows you it's just a bunch of text [TS]

  documents but it shows you a little [TS]

  previews of them which is actually [TS]

  surprisingly useful later I'm why I'm [TS]

  watching this to see the first person [TS]

  brave enough to ship an app like that to [TS]

  see if they every Jake it's not going to [TS]

  be a problem Apple like that they're [TS]

  holding DC sessions about doing this [TS]

  like they want people to do this it's [TS]

  gonna be fine we'll see famous last [TS]

  words [TS]

  now if it's an NES emulator you have a [TS]

  problem or do you remember way back when [TS]

  when they were tethering apps like I [TS]

  think I had yeah I Heather or something [TS]

  like that and and I kept that because it [TS]

  was on it was on the App Store for like [TS]

  a week and it was basically like you [TS]

  needed a a component on your Mac and you [TS]

  needed the app on your phone and I kept [TS]

  that thing on my phone for years because [TS]

  I had the ATT unlimited plan and one of [TS]

  the ways they tried to shimmy you off of [TS]

  that plan was by never ever ever as far [TS]

  as I knew anyway never allowing you to [TS]

  tether so I had this like tether or I [TS]

  tether or something like that that I [TS]

  would use to be able to tether from time [TS]

  to time and I remember I like had a [TS]

  saved version of the Installer somewhere [TS]

  on my hard drive so just in case the [TS]

  Installer went away I would still have [TS]

  it I had the app that I liked cherished [TS]

  more I probably had a backup backup of [TS]

  the IPA somewhere just to be safe I mean [TS]

  I'd oh my god I remember that those were [TS]

  the days and then there would be other [TS]

  apps like a flashlight app that would L [TS]

  by the way have a Sox server on it yeah [TS]

  if you you know triple tap in the upper [TS]

  1/3 of the screen while holding your [TS]

  nose and bouncing on one foot you engage [TS]

  a sock server yeah like two hours after [TS]

  that was discovered it was off the store [TS]

  uh moving on the Apple Design Awards the [TS]

  a das they were a thing we which I think [TS]

  we spoke about last time but it used to [TS]

  be that what was at the Monday evening [TS]

  of WDC the first night at WTC they would [TS]

  have an event where the Apple Design [TS]

  Awards would get would be given out and [TS]

  it would be done in front of an audience [TS]

  blah blah blah this this past year they [TS]

  kind of did it quietly but people got to [TS]

  schmooze with some of the execs which is [TS]

  pretty cool well Zach kaan writes and [TS]

  says it's worth noting that Apple gave [TS]

  out a da's to indie alternatives to mail [TS]

  notes and reminders but still won't let [TS]

  you set any of them as a default which [TS]

  was a pretty observant thing that that [TS]

  Zach had noticed [TS]

  yeah they're rewarding like oh these are [TS]

  well-designed applications they may well [TS]

  be but I always feel for people who try [TS]

  to use the non default applications [TS]

  because in each one of them there's some [TS]

  aspect of it that is less privileged [TS]

  than the Apple one like for mail [TS]

  applications it's you know could be as [TS]

  simple as like when I click on mail to [TS]

  link my tab of mail to link on my phone [TS]

  which application launches or when I [TS]

  tell Siri remind me to bla bla bla where [TS]

  does it put that reminder you know I [TS]

  mean like and they're so close it's not [TS]

  I don't even understand why Apple [TS]

  clearly wants to encourage notes and [TS]

  mail reminder applications like they're [TS]

  a staple of the non game section of the [TS]

  App Store Apple is not like you know [TS]

  growling at them and saying why are [TS]

  those people trying to compete with our [TS]

  built-in applications they want to [TS]

  encourage in here they are 88 winners [TS]

  these are great examples of applications [TS]

  that Apple apparently wants to encourage [TS]

  let people use them as their default [TS]

  right for all these in calendar notes [TS]

  reminders mail they're so close and the [TS]

  limitations are less than they used to [TS]

  be it used to be much harder to use [TS]

  alternate applications but like why not [TS]

  go all away I'm every year we wait for [TS]

  this some years there's more to look [TS]

  forward to than others who don't talk [TS]

  about it but because I don't think we [TS]

  mentioned this year but I'm always [TS]

  thinking about it hey when will I be [TS]

  able to use alternate applications even [TS]

  on the Mac back in the classic Mac OS [TS]

  days there was an entire control panel [TS]

  for you to set up this is the [TS]

  application I want to use for mail this [TS]

  is the one I want to use for instant [TS]

  message or so on and so forth but that [TS]

  kind of is still in Mac OS if you know [TS]

  where to mess with things but it's not [TS]

  prominent like some of the things are [TS]

  hidden like you go to the Safari [TS]

  preferences to pick your default browser [TS]

  and chrome will constantly try to change [TS]

  your default browser it's all weird you [TS]

  wise to the same underlying data store [TS]

  but it's clearly not as prominent as it [TS]

  used to be at least power users can [TS]

  figure it out on iOS a lot of times it's [TS]

  just not possible I suppose unless you [TS]

  jailbreak which is frustrating [TS]

  especially we already talked about this [TS]

  with you know Siri and the increased [TS]

  number of intense it would be great they [TS]

  made intense for all the things that you [TS]

  can do with Siri for mail notes [TS]

  reminders if those things don't already [TS]

  exist I suppose they don't but certainly [TS]

  you can't tell I mean Google's [TS]

  applications do it when you know when [TS]

  you'll tap a link in the Gmail app it [TS]

  will throw a thing in your face it says [TS]

  hey do you want to open this link in [TS]

  Chrome [TS]

  in tint tint or Safari and there's a [TS]

  little a little switch that says ask me [TS]

  about this every time so I always just [TS]

  hit Safari and hit the don't ask me [TS]

  about this every time and then and be [TS]

  done with it but public Apple can [TS]

  implement as well and it's not not [TS]

  rocket science so again maybe in a [TS]

  couple years yeah and actually for the [TS]

  record I'm pretty sure they did add [TS]

  there they are adding it for notes and I [TS]

  was living that's one of the two things [TS]

  that they added I think but if I get [TS]

  that wrong I'm sorry I'm still buried in [TS]

  WC stuff because I learned that I have [TS]

  to rewrite my entire audio engine you [TS]

  mean we what the what he called the the [TS]

  tent you mean isn't and I was loving not [TS]

  that you can get your default [TS]

  application yeah yeah yeah no yeah the [TS]

  change in the defaults I can't imagine [TS]

  that this will see I don't know that's [TS]

  one of those things where you know every [TS]

  every WDC that comes around we we get a [TS]

  whole bunch of stuff that is you know no [TS]

  big surprise and there's usually a [TS]

  couple of things that we always say wow [TS]

  we never thought Apple would do that and [TS]

  so we we've been for years saying we're [TS]

  pretty sure apples never gonna allow you [TS]

  to change the default app for these [TS]

  kinds of things but if one of these you [TS]

  it could be one of those things you know [TS]

  they could just do it and then we'd be [TS]

  like oh look at that cool and we move on [TS]

  you know the same thing with like [TS]

  deleting the built-in apps like we never [TS]

  thought they would do that either and [TS]

  there's you know a little asterisk and [TS]

  how they kind of sort of offer it now [TS]

  what you start really deleting it and [TS]

  things like that but like you know they [TS]

  did it and they put the effort into that [TS]

  to make that happen and so like you know [TS]

  as as iOS gets more and more mature many [TS]

  of the arguments against them offering [TS]

  defaults like for instance one of the [TS]

  arguments used to be like well things [TS]

  like male there are places all over the [TS]

  US where they have like built-in male [TS]

  compose sheets and yeah that's true but [TS]

  then they made extensions and they made [TS]

  Siri intense and things like that which [TS]

  kind of break down these barriers and [TS]

  let anything plug in and kind of do [TS]

  similar things so you know the the idea [TS]

  of having custom integrations with [TS]

  certain things like those are actually [TS]

  slowly being removed in favor of things [TS]

  like extensions and intents and and so [TS]

  it would not surprise me if they decided [TS]

  to actually let you change things like [TS]

  your default mail app and your default [TS]

  browser at some point in the future [TS]

  still wouldn't say it's likely but the [TS]

  the I think the technical foundation is [TS]

  now there that they could do it if they [TS]

  wanted to without massive weird side [TS]

  effects I still don't think they will [TS]

  but again with Apple you never really [TS]

  know what you know you never say they'll [TS]

  never do something well they're so close [TS]

  now like you said with the extensions [TS]

  and in each individual application just [TS]

  take web browsers are no mail [TS]

  applications for example is all they [TS]

  would need to do for mail chain make a [TS]

  preference in Safari that controls where [TS]

  mail to links go to is that it like [TS]

  what's left because you know there's [TS]

  there's the extensions for like ad this [TS]

  is a bookmark or I mean I suppose they [TS]

  also have like tapping links in Safari [TS]

  search and Siri search results or [TS]

  something you know what I mean or do you [TS]

  want me to open this web page and stuff [TS]

  like that I don't know it's probably [TS]

  we've throughout the system in more [TS]

  places than I think but it always seems [TS]

  like they're so close that like there's [TS]

  no what what are they holding back for [TS]

  now because extensions really did blow [TS]

  it wild wide open and now almost all the [TS]

  things that you would previously done [TS]

  with a single default application now [TS]

  you can pick from a list and you can [TS]

  rearrange a list which by the way I [TS]

  really help you rearranging of that list [TS]

  sticks better or I hope these spaces [TS]

  stick better than the rearranging a list [TS]

  because I've always had problems with [TS]

  that oh yeah but yeah it seems simple I [TS]

  don't know what the holdup is other than [TS]

  just you know not a big priority and [TS]

  it's like one of those sort of small [TS]

  things most people don't care about [TS]

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  right speaking of photos a moment to go [TS]

  let's talk about what is he for hafe I [TS]

  always get it wrong the Apple people [TS]

  have been seeing Heath Heath okay [TS]

  alright so somebody in the show notes [TS]

  I'm assuming John says that Heath is [TS]

  good he is good he fizz like those are [TS]

  my favorite sessions the the hefei TVC [TS]

  sessions if you want to take a look at [TS]

  some sessions technology stuff at WABC I [TS]

  think these are some of the best ones [TS]

  for a bunch of reasons so the first is [TS]

  that he fizz good it is better than JPEG [TS]

  it's better than ping it's better than [TS]

  all the existing formats in terms in the [TS]

  in terms of the things that Apple cares [TS]

  about and that you should care about - [TS]

  image size flexibility of the format [TS]

  it's kind of it kind of reminds me of [TS]

  like the various I'm gonna call them [TS]

  pirate formats but like the mikoshi or [TS]

  whatever MKV container thing like where [TS]

  they just say here is a really super [TS]

  generic container that can you know that [TS]

  is flexible and straightforward and fits [TS]

  a whole bunch of stuff in it and look at [TS]

  all these things that it can do and we [TS]

  don't pin it down with these arbitrary [TS]

  limitations that you know make sense at [TS]

  the time and one of the examples in the [TS]

  thing was like whatever the maximum size [TS]

  of a JPEG is I forget what it is but I'm [TS]

  sure it seemed ridiculous [TS]

  when JPEG was created and whatever [TS]

  nineteen eighty or ninety something or [TS]

  and yet here we are today and it's like [TS]

  actually it's an actual limitation that [TS]

  is problematic for JPEGs one of the [TS]

  demos they had or not to spoil too much [TS]

  one of the demos that of Heath was of a [TS]

  panorama they zoomed in on and they just [TS]

  kept zooming and zooming and zooming and [TS]

  it was ridiculously large panoramas and [TS]

  it was like is this is this some cool [TS]

  new application like Google Earth that [TS]

  just reloads new tiles and you know like [TS]

  totally custom UI no they were just [TS]

  zooming a Heath image which itself [TS]

  internally can use a tile based format [TS]

  and it's resolution can be massive and [TS]

  you literally couldn't do with JPEG like [TS]

  it all was was an image view as far as I [TS]

  could tell but you couldn't do with JPEG [TS]

  cuz JPEG can't support an image that [TS]

  size period right nevermind the [TS]

  efficiency of being able to quickly read [TS]

  and display just the portion that it's [TS]

  on the screen with the whole tiling [TS]

  stuff the pictures are smaller for the [TS]

  same quality or better quality for [TS]

  larger sizes and they can contain lots [TS]

  of different things like it's almost [TS]

  like he was made for live photos I bet [TS]

  it was kind of the reverse but it's a [TS]

  shame the live photos came before he but [TS]

  hey you can store a series of photos [TS]

  photos plus video at the same time but [TS]

  you know smart dips between the frames [TS]

  of the stuff in them is what I was [TS]

  talking about in the end the live show [TS]

  where I was speculating that perhaps [TS]

  that every frame of a live photo stored [TS]

  in a format is of equal quality that's [TS]

  why you can pick among them reportedly [TS]

  that's not the case we got at least one [TS]

  report that if you pick the real photo [TS]

  it is still like you know the still [TS]

  photo is still higher quality than any [TS]

  of the animation frames but maybe [TS]

  animation frames are [TS]

  higher quality than they were I suppose [TS]

  it makes sense that if you had to shave [TS]

  full quality for every single frame [TS]

  you'd take up a lot of of memory because [TS]

  those are actually pretty big maybe you [TS]

  couldn't even dump them off the sense of [TS]

  the fast but even if occurred you [TS]

  probably wouldn't want them to because [TS]

  it's kind of inefficient even with [TS]

  interframe dips but anyway the reason [TS]

  Heath and a GBC are big deals is because [TS]

  aside from just being new formats and [TS]

  better is this is like a foundational [TS]

  technology like they didn't really [TS]

  hammer on it too much but this is going [TS]

  to last if you know if all goes well [TS]

  this is going to last 10 15 20 years [TS]

  it's going to define your experience on [TS]

  iOS and Mac in terms of what are my [TS]

  images what is my video made of how good [TS]

  does it look and how much room does it [TS]

  take it is so fundamental to every [TS]

  single thing that we do especially with [TS]

  cameras being as pervasive as they are [TS]

  today that any kind of change in them is [TS]

  like you don't change it for the hell of [TS]

  it well this year we use them totally [TS]

  different image format next year this [TS]

  different image format no we pick an [TS]

  image format we stick with it for a long [TS]

  time and these formats are just better [TS]

  that just better and this will this will [TS]

  change all of our Computing's lives in [TS]

  like boring ways and will continue to [TS]

  change them for years and years news [TS]

  like I don't I don't think this is like [TS]

  a weird fad thing I really hope it [TS]

  really does catch on and sweep across [TS]

  the entire industry because I'm ready to [TS]

  get rid of those old formats and change [TS]

  to this new one like why why hold on to [TS]

  a format that makes larger files that [TS]

  are worse quality that has less [TS]

  flexibility and is more difficult to [TS]

  deal with so I encourage everyone to [TS]

  look at these sessions I think this is [TS]

  exactly the type of sort of underlying [TS]

  core technology that certainly within [TS]

  the app legal system and hopefully [TS]

  within the ecosystem across the whole [TS]

  industry because I hate it when Apple [TS]

  does something better and no one else [TS]

  copies it and again he Phan h-e-b CR not [TS]

  Apple standards these are ISO standards [TS]

  international standards Apple I don't [TS]

  have apple at any influence at all in [TS]

  making them who knows but either way [TS]

  they're not Apple proprietary so I [TS]

  really want the whole world to move to [TS]

  this every time I think about the whole [TS]

  world moving to it I think back on gif [TS]

  and then I think we could we couldn't [TS]

  even escape gift oh really oh no it [TS]

  changed we're all going to change the [TS]

  heap and a GB see how long did it take [TS]

  to get transparent ping support in all [TS]

  of our browsers I'm old I know but I my [TS]

  fingers across for these standards all [TS]

  right [TS]

  let's see what else we've got going on I [TS]

  didn't entirely understand this tweet [TS]

  from not underscore David Smith from [TS]

  from Apple employee David Smith he'd [TS]

  said that 32-bits support is sunset in [TS]

  Mac OS this is a bigger deal than it [TS]

  seems i386 is the last fragile - table C [TS]

  - a bi non Swift supporting architecture [TS]

  I understood bits and pieces of that can [TS]

  one of you translate for me what the [TS]

  crap that actually means says it in the [TS]

  notes right below it so the the fragile [TS]

  Objective C API so the fragile busey API [TS]

  is where well it's the non fragile one [TS]

  is where it escapes the fragile Base [TS]

  Class problem which is basically if [TS]

  they've Apple ships a framework and they [TS]

  have a class and it has like fields name [TS]

  and age in it right and people build [TS]

  applications top of that framework and [TS]

  they ship them and then the next version [TS]

  the operating system Apple wants to add [TS]

  a hair color field to that same class [TS]

  right the fragile base class problem is [TS]

  like oh we can't add hair color field to [TS]

  this class because a bunch of [TS]

  applications are shipped that are [TS]

  compiled against the old version that [TS]

  just has name and age and so the only [TS]

  way we can add a field because of the [TS]

  fragile base class problem is all those [TS]

  people need to recompile their [TS]

  application against the new version of [TS]

  the framework that is new field right [TS]

  and so the app effects ists I think [TS]

  maybe in the upgrade to a 64-bit runtime [TS]

  and it's not a problem now but it is [TS]

  still a problem in the 32-bit [TS]

  objective-c [TS]

  ABI so they didn't bother fixing it [TS]

  there because you know backward [TS]

  compatibility and also because I assume [TS]

  they were moving away from 32-bit [TS]

  eventually and now they are and so this [TS]

  is that problem goes away entirely like [TS]

  then everything that they have certainly [TS]

  Swift and also well supposed eventually [TS]

  they get a stable API but I'm sure I'm [TS]

  assuming they will do the same thing [TS]

  there and all the 64-bit objections II [TS]

  don't have this problem so they're [TS]

  leaving behind a limitation and also [TS]

  32-bit doesn't support if switch to [TS]

  64-bit only so that's another reason to [TS]

  digit so yeah 32-bit Mac not long for [TS]

  this world and someone asked me on [TS]

  Twitter recently why do I care as a user [TS]

  whether aside from a bunch of my [TS]

  applications eventually breaking [TS]

  what benefit is that is there to me as a [TS]

  user for Apple ditching 32 bits for I [TS]

  don't care if it's a problem for Apple [TS]

  and I have this fragile a you know base [TS]

  glass problem and I can up update [TS]

  frameworks blah blah who cares I'm not a [TS]

  developer I'm just a user I don't want a [TS]

  bunch of my applications to go away why [TS]

  do I care [TS]

  the main reason especially on phones is [TS]

  once you load a 32-bit application that [TS]

  loads 32-bit libraries those take up [TS]

  memory and it's better to just have the [TS]

  64-bit ones in memory instead of having [TS]

  do you know you'd have seven 64-bit [TS]

  applications all sharing a single you [TS]

  know shared memory instance of a library [TS]

  and then you launch one 32-bit [TS]

  application it has to bring in the [TS]

  32-bit version a library just for that [TS]

  application so you know if your phone [TS]

  will use less memory doing the same [TS]

  things in theory and then the other one [TS]

  is just in a simplification if Apple [TS]

  does have to support this old runtime [TS]

  they can you know it it's a simpler [TS]

  operating system to not have to support [TS]

  this old stuff and anytime you can [TS]

  delete code and not include things and [TS]

  just you know it simplifies everything [TS]

  so and presumably that will make your [TS]

  phone more stable and faster and your [TS]

  applications more stable and faster and [TS]

  the idea so the benefit to the user is [TS]

  kind of esoteric and maybe not that [TS]

  particularly visible but this is what we [TS]

  call progress you can't support 32-bit [TS]

  forever [TS]

  more on high sierra the high sierra [TS]

  format is the early logical file system [TS]

  all of them were actually following up [TS]

  on this use the Jogi ROM the joke that [TS]

  John made during the live show joke was [TS]

  a memory yeah the High Sierra being like [TS]

  a cd-rom format name yeah just to say [TS]

  that High Sierra is not a come to words [TS]

  that have been combined just by Apple [TS]

  for the purpose of the operating system [TS]

  that it is in fact a thing not just you [TS]

  know that this this volume format [TS]

  logical file system use for CD ROMs in [TS]

  1985-1986 right they named it after high [TS]

  sierra like they didn't also make up [TS]

  that term so i'm just defending the high [TS]

  sierra name put a link in the show notes [TS]

  to the wikipedia article on the topic oh [TS]

  that's really old yeah that's this is [TS]

  before the ISO 9660 that's the one that [TS]

  most CD ROMs were right remember the the [TS]

  Mount Rainier packet writing standard [TS]

  that was trying like four did you guys [TS]

  ever get packet writing CDRs to actually [TS]

  like work and not be a problem for [TS]

  something yep I did [TS]

  because I got like I got the super [TS]

  expensive fancy one that I and said [TS]

  would work and it really did you could [TS]

  incrementally add dated cities it was [TS]

  amazing technology that was like the the [TS]

  whole thing in cd-rws [TS]

  to how incredibly slow and unreliable [TS]

  they were like there were so many [TS]

  efforts put into trying to make CD [TS]

  burners behave more like floppy so you [TS]

  could just like write part of one and [TS]

  then add some files to it later and then [TS]

  maybe delete some files which wouldn't [TS]

  actually really delete them but would [TS]

  just like mark that block as deleted and [TS]

  just add some more at the end and there [TS]

  were all these different standards of [TS]

  doing it and they tried to define like [TS]

  industry standards to combine them all [TS]

  and it was always a giant buggy mess and [TS]

  maybe maybe there's one of those things [TS]

  that like you Mac people John liked it [TS]

  maybe it was perfect for you and it was [TS]

  just crap on the PC side but I can tell [TS]

  you one thing it was really crap on the [TS]

  PC side and my first CD burner which was [TS]

  a scuzzy 4 by 2 by 6 yep [TS]

  from Yamaha which wasn't awesome we [TS]

  might have had the same one probably [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  that was like it was so good at [TS]

  everything else but you try to get any [TS]

  of those packet writing things to work [TS]

  and it's just like no other computer [TS]

  could ever read them you were lucky if [TS]

  your computer could read it tomorrow [TS]

  like it's just terrible I was going to [TS]

  say the reason he has problems using [TS]

  crappy IDE cd-rom drives for using [TS]

  scuzzy wants to and you know I was a [TS]

  pretty reputable reputable vendor yeah [TS]

  all of mine were obviously scuzzy and [TS]

  get mine were super expensive top of the [TS]

  line Yamaha things with fancy bank [TS]

  applications I had pretty good luck with [TS]

  it I did it all the time that was my [TS]

  form of backups back before I had enough [TS]

  money to have you know duplicate a hard [TS]

  drive space hard drives are still quite [TS]

  expensive back then no I mean see like [TS]

  having the first CD burners it was [TS]

  awesome like it was amazing to be able [TS]

  to make your own mix CDs but like [TS]

  everything that tried to make it more [TS]

  like a floppy or a hard drive just [TS]

  always sucked it so many problems before [TS]

  we leave this topic I will say one of my [TS]

  favorite pieces of esoteric optical disc [TS]

  technology I ever owned was I had one of [TS]

  the Kenwood Truex cd-rom drives that [TS]

  read at 72 X [TS]

  like by splitting the laser into seven [TS]

  different beams and reading seven tracks [TS]

  in parallel that's different sounds [TS]

  super reliable and I'm sure was very [TS]

  quiet when it's been seven - I know [TS]

  because it because it was I think it was [TS]

  only spinning at like 12 X and that's - [TS]

  it was way better than like the than the [TS]

  the the 52 X CD ROMs of the time that it [TS]

  would sounded like a four-stage jet [TS]

  engine that spin up once a room like a [TS]

  really super loud light was waiting for [TS]

  the dista apart like a wheel that's [TS]

  going to which they occasionally did and [TS]

  I always I was always kind of surprised [TS]

  with the 52 X cd-rom this has that [TS]

  sounded so crazy it was kind of [TS]

  surprising how few discs shattered [TS]

  inside like they actually worked most of [TS]

  the time and they really shouldn't have [TS]

  I was got nervous putting the sticky [TS]

  labels never do that the sticky labels [TS]

  know oh yeah oh yeah you had to put them [TS]

  on perfectly because it's like having an [TS]

  unbalanced tire yeah get in their way [TS]

  but I remember all of that I remember [TS]

  when we had one of our earlier pcs that [TS]

  had an external cd-rom drive that was it [TS]

  had like a little tray or cartridge that [TS]

  you would put the CD in a caddy [TS]

  yes I could be the word I knew wasn't [TS]

  cartridge but I can think of the right [TS]

  we had had a CD caddy I remember that I [TS]

  remember getting the CD burner early on [TS]

  this was high school for me and I [TS]

  remember I was very popular amongst high [TS]

  school kids because I could like make a [TS]

  mix CD just like you said I also [TS]

  remember and Marco you particularly will [TS]

  appreciate this I got into briefly got [TS]

  into trading tapes in the Dave Matthews [TS]

  Band taping community because Dave [TS]

  Matthews fan band as we all agree is a [TS]

  jam band and so I my first couple of [TS]

  trades what I had done was I had said [TS]

  hey send me cassettes of what you've got [TS]

  and since I have nothing to trade I have [TS]

  no concerts of my own I will digitize [TS]

  them put them on CD and send them back [TS]

  to you and that's how I scored my first [TS]

  couple of concerts and these were [TS]

  concerts that I had been at and these [TS]

  concerts were very different from each [TS]

  other because as we said Dave Matthews [TS]

  Band is a jam band anyway we should move [TS]

  on and talk about a PFS a PFS is good as [TS]

  well [TS]

  as it turns out and uh yeah apparently [TS]

  and you know I know John you don't have [TS]

  many words to say about this so Marco [TS]

  would you like to take over [TS]

  yeah sure it's a file system and it's [TS]

  new and it's not HFS+ and so therefore [TS]

  it's good let's move on moving on [TS]

  seriously did we did I talk about all [TS]

  these things on a passion already I [TS]

  don't think you did I'm not a hundred [TS]

  percent sure but I don't think you did I [TS]

  I'm not done I'm Brett in a rare case of [TS]

  me not finishing the previous episode I [TS]

  have like 40 minutes left on last week's [TS]

  episode because we're recording this [TS]

  early slacker ah did I talk about all [TS]

  the surrounding just it's you know it's [TS]

  fine the people love you John if they [TS]

  want they can skip to the next chapter [TS]

  that's what it's there for I will add a [TS]

  caveat I may have talked about all of [TS]

  everything I'm about to say in a past [TS]

  episode if I did I apologize but just [TS]

  pretend I'm like a teacher and telling [TS]

  you things multiple times to make you [TS]

  retain any more [TS]

  so maybe FS AP of s is good I learned [TS]

  some things about it in the AP FS [TS]

  session that I may have talked about [TS]

  last week it will convert your encrypted [TS]

  drive so if you have five volt on you [TS]

  don't have to worry about oh it won't be [TS]

  able to convert by thing because it [TS]

  understands the file vault encryption [TS]

  and it will do all the things it has to [TS]

  do so you won't lose any data and you [TS]

  won't lose any encryption it will [TS]

  convert your fusion drives and when it [TS]

  converts them it will improve your [TS]

  fusion drives because a BFS unlike a [TS]

  char s plus will guarantee that the [TS]

  metadata all stays on the SSD like [TS]

  that's where it writes the new AP FS [TS]

  meta did and it keeps it all there so [TS]

  aside from the fusion drive saying you [TS]

  know moving the actual data like oh the [TS]

  files you access frequently will move to [TS]

  the fat storage and leave the file as [TS]

  you access less frequently on a slow [TS]

  storage yeah that's how fusion drive [TS]

  works AP of s will make sure that all [TS]

  the metadata all the information about [TS]

  the files all the file names their sizes [TS]

  their dates where all the little data [TS]

  blocks are all that will stay on the SSD [TS]

  always put them like things a lot faster [TS]

  because reading metadata is you know [TS]

  involves a lot of seeks and a lot of [TS]

  small reads and it's great to have them [TS]

  on the SSD disk utility the new version [TS]

  of Disk Utility which I don't know if it [TS]

  has a resizable window and resizable [TS]

  columns yet I haven't checked but that [TS]

  would be a great feature [TS]

  anyway it will convert your volumes so [TS]

  you can open Disk Utility and point at [TS]

  any age of s plus disk and say please [TS]

  change this to a BFS it will not [TS]

  currently make them bootable I'm [TS]

  assuming they're going to fix that if [TS]

  you want to make it bootable you have to [TS]

  run the installer the the high sierra [TS]

  installer [TS]

  I could put it again I'm assuming that [TS]

  will be fixed Mobile Time Machine a [TS]

  thing that most people don't know exists [TS]

  but does I think it still only runs on [TS]

  laptops like it if you're on your Mac [TS]

  laptop and you're not connected through [TS]

  a time capsule wirelessly or any other [TS]

  time machine interface like you know is [TS]

  you have time machine on but as far as [TS]

  you could tell like your backup drives [TS]

  are not you're not communicating with [TS]

  your backup drives like say you're on an [TS]

  airplane or something you're editing a [TS]

  document many years ago Apple added a [TS]

  thing but still backs up using time [TS]

  machine to your own disk it's not going [TS]

  to protect you if your hard drive dies [TS]

  because you're backing up your disk to [TS]

  your disk but it supposed to save you [TS]

  like if you're editing something and [TS]

  then a while later you accidentally [TS]

  delete it and you're like oh I want that [TS]

  back I'm on a plane it was my important [TS]

  presentation [TS]

  well mobile Time Machine had been in the [TS]

  background making copies of your stuff [TS]

  to this other location on your disk and [TS]

  you can invoke time machine on an [TS]

  airplane with no Wi-Fi and get back old [TS]

  versions of your documents there are [TS]

  some caveats to that which we'll get to [TS]

  in a second but the AP FS story here is [TS]

  that because abs has constant time [TS]

  snapshots where they can take a [TS]

  consistent snapshot of your disk in a [TS]

  small and fixed amount of time like it [TS]

  doesn't depend on how much has changed [TS]

  since the last time writing like that it [TS]

  is just mark this as a consistent state [TS]

  and and it takes space on your desk [TS]

  obviously and retain that but it can do [TS]

  it very quickly and very efficiently [TS]

  which means the previous implementation [TS]

  of mobile Time Machine which is fairly [TS]

  intense like it was a mounting a virtual [TS]

  file system in the secret corner of your [TS]

  drive and then writing to it as if it [TS]

  was another volume but it's not like it [TS]

  was really weird involving hidden [TS]

  directories and fakery making it look [TS]

  like you have a second volume inside [TS]

  your first volume and it would have to [TS]

  like crawl over all your files and find [TS]

  the ones that have changed and make [TS]

  copies of them to this virtual file [TS]

  system very very slow whereas the AP FS [TS]

  1 is just snapshot as literal they're a [TS]

  couple seconds doesn't matter how much [TS]

  stuff you've done since last time you [TS]

  did that the snapshot itself it takes [TS]

  constant time you can do it yourself [TS]

  with a command line TM you till the time [TS]

  machine your command line utility which [TS]

  is useful by the way on any Mac if [TS]

  you've never [TS]

  just type man TM util to see all these [TS]

  everything's you can delete old backups [TS]

  and mess with your backups and you know [TS]

  screw yourself if you're not careful but [TS]

  anyway it's it's a neat utility new [TS]

  command TM util space snapshot will take [TS]

  a snapshot you can if you have high CR [TS]

  betta run it now you'll be amazed at how [TS]

  quickly it runs the thing that bothers [TS]

  me about mobile time machine and I can [TS]

  understand why apples doing this but [TS]

  it's still a little bit of a bother is [TS]

  it runs hourly and so for you like [TS]

  working on a presentation and you hose [TS]

  it in some way you want the backup you [TS]

  can get the one from an hour ago but if [TS]

  you just created this thing within the [TS]

  current hour there are no backups of it [TS]

  it's like oh how are that's not good [TS]

  wine shake you know I wish I wish I had [TS]

  backups every 5 minutes or 10 minutes [TS]

  well remember all these snapshots take [TS]

  up space because it basically says [TS]

  everything that's on your disk right now [TS]

  save it and so if you delete a bunch of [TS]

  files they're still taking up space in [TS]

  the snapshot right so I understand why [TS]

  they don't want to do like a snapshot [TS]

  every five minutes cuz you fill your [TS]

  disk with snapshots even if they trim [TS]

  them off the end so hourly is probably a [TS]

  reasonable compromise but you know the I [TS]

  mentioned TM you tell snapshot is like [TS]

  well if you're paranoid you can set up a [TS]

  cron job that runs TM util snapshot [TS]

  every five minutes while you're on the [TS]

  flight and you'll be saved that pain [TS]

  just remember to turn off later that was [TS]

  going to fill your disk but the [TS]

  important thing is those snapshots [TS]

  happen really really quickly and it's [TS]

  got to be way more reliable and [TS]

  efficient than all the weird stuff that [TS]

  was going on before so this is a nice [TS]

  upgrade for mobile time machine we [TS]

  mentioned a couple shows ago hey when [TS]

  will Apple release the version of Mac OS [TS]

  that uses a us to make Time Machine [TS]

  better this isn't that because it's only [TS]

  for local backups but I assume in a [TS]

  future version of the Mac operating [TS]

  system assuming Apple continues along [TS]

  this road that I guess you called remote [TS]

  time machine you know actual Time [TS]

  Machine backups to a different volume [TS]

  hopefully on a different disk will use [TS]

  the the smarts of a PFS to do something [TS]

  intelligent I think they might be using [TS]

  it now to just take the snapshot and [TS]

  read from that snapshot to send to the [TS]

  remote disk but it's not quite the same [TS]

  thing as you can imagine like some more [TS]

  deltas over oh it's changed I'm not [TS]

  quite sure what they can do they can't [TS]

  do the same thing to ZFS where you get [TS]

  like block gifts and stuff like that [TS]

  what's really cool but letting go is EFS [TS]

  they want with a PFS so we got what we [TS]

  got but anyway I feel like they can make [TS]

  strides there as well we are sponsored [TS]

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  for sponsoring our show can we please do [TS]

  a topic let's know we have two three [TS]

  pages of follow-up left to do this is [TS]

  this feels like we need to declare like [TS]

  a follow up barrier and just like they [TS]

  can go through we can go through them [TS]

  quickly oh okay [TS]

  start Oh challenge accepted start the [TS]

  clock all right here we go [TS]

  you two ready buckle up Matt bid all [TS]

  frights iMac pros price comparisons PC [TS]

  gamer had a handbill PC from parts image [TS]

  that matches the iMac pro and spec it [TS]

  cost four thousand six hundred eighty [TS]

  six dollars versus Apple's 4999 Billy [TS]

  flattery Wright's iMac model price [TS]

  comparisons just notice you can't just [TS]

  read the follow-up items that's not how [TS]

  you go through quickly you have to have [TS]

  to have commentary from everybody to [TS]

  each item we just have abbreviated [TS]

  commentary ya back opening price is fine [TS]

  bill clarity go ahead bill you have to [TS]

  happen Marco we try it's not just a race [TS]

  to evening this is what you guys so far [TS]

  this is the show so you think this [TS]

  reading quickly is how you get through [TS]

  it quickly how you get through it [TS]

  quickly is by not having extended [TS]

  conversations by saying one or two [TS]

  though how we get through it quickly is [TS]

  by not breathing when I'm reading at all [TS]

  that's how we get through quickly I'm [TS]

  going to I'm going to build some gills [TS]

  and give them to myself that's how I [TS]

  will show you if you'd like me to do the [TS]

  next one I can do anyway I'm with roll [TS]

  price comparison the thing I want to [TS]

  point out here is anytime there's price [TS]

  comparisons from one computer you know [TS]

  the iMac Pro versus some PC that you [TS]

  build it like hey if you match the the [TS]

  specs of the iMac Pro you end up with a [TS]

  pretty expensive PC to the obvious [TS]

  little asterisks that's on all these [TS]

  stories is no sane person would build a [TS]

  PC like the iMac Pro because most people [TS]

  who need likes a really big GPU for [TS]

  gaming honking up at a Xeon and they're [TS]

  not going to have a cc ram and they're [TS]

  not going to have this really expensive [TS]

  5k display so even though this price [TS]

  comparison is right nobody know no PC [TS]

  builder would build a PC like the iMac [TS]

  Pro for most of the things that people [TS]

  build pcs for because they would Taylor [TS]

  build [TS]

  it wouldn't be the most expensive best [TS]

  everything you can put in the computer [TS]

  they would decide I care about you I [TS]

  care about ECC I care about the CPU do I [TS]

  care about the 5k screen and it would [TS]

  end up with less expensive machine [TS]

  that's all I wanted to say that [TS]

  so Billy Flaherty's he points out that [TS]

  between the mid and high end IMAX not [TS]

  the iMac Pro with IMAX with the same [TS]

  configuration have the same price but [TS]

  the high end has the better video is he [TS]

  missing something and there's a [TS]

  screenshot we will put his tweet in the [TS]

  show notes yeah I mean look when you [TS]

  play with a configurator sometimes [TS]

  things don't make sense [TS]

  oh well apples you know not always [TS]

  perfect and we aren't always perfect [TS]

  let's move on well that means the advice [TS]

  here is if you're configuring a Mac try [TS]

  config you know you click on one of them [TS]

  in like pick three or whatever try the [TS]

  other one too and try to match the specs [TS]

  it's worth doing once or twice just to [TS]

  make sure the prices aren't out of whack [TS]

  bingo John you had volunteered to cover [TS]

  this next piece oh it's because you [TS]

  can't pronounce this victors last name [TS]

  absolutely guess what [TS]

  Victor wrote in to tell us that whole [TS]

  kit protocol thank you now opened all [TS]

  devs you can build a smart device using [TS]

  Heidi Pratt said Arduino Arduino yeah I [TS]

  believe that's right yeah and control it [TS]

  buy a home kit without getting an MFI [TS]

  license so this seems like oh great [TS]

  Apple has opened up home kit and now you [TS]

  don't have to go through all this owner [TS]

  of stuff to get home kit certified but [TS]

  this is twist right so this is for [TS]

  interoperability people can build things [TS]

  that are compatible with home kit and [TS]

  you don't have to be an MFI made for [TS]

  iPhone is that still what it stands for [TS]

  is this made for iPod I don't know it [TS]

  should be for made for iOS anyway you [TS]

  don't have to get that license and this [TS]

  is Apple's explanation say at a user [TS]

  level differences will include the [TS]

  process for onboarding and IP based [TS]

  success rate to the network and a [TS]

  warning dialog in iOS that the user must [TS]

  acknowledge before continuing so yeah [TS]

  you don't have to be certified as part [TS]

  of the program and you can interoperate [TS]

  right but you can't you won't have the [TS]

  Apple authentication coprocessor or you [TS]

  and you won't have the Wi-Fi Alliance [TS]

  certification and the user of your [TS]

  device will get a warning dialog so it's [TS]

  not it's great for hackers it's like it [TS]

  opened up hey if you want to mess with [TS]

  something and you can bypass these [TS]

  like when you right-click open something [TS]

  on the Mac you know power users can do [TS]

  it but it doesn't suddenly make homekit [TS]

  a free-for-all for everybody in practice [TS]

  if you want to be part of the home Kitty [TS]

  ecosystem as the first classes and you [TS]

  still have to go through all the old [TS]

  stuff but this is nice for people who [TS]

  just want to hack something the other to [TS]

  get it working the App Store guidelines [TS]

  have been updated to allow programming [TS]

  environments and so put a link in the [TS]

  show notes to this apps designed to [TS]

  teach develop or test executable code [TS]

  may in limited circumstances download [TS]

  code provided that such code is not used [TS]

  for other purposes such apps must make [TS]

  the source code provided by the [TS]

  application completely viewable and [TS]

  editable by the user not surprising but [TS]

  nevertheless somewhat interesting yeah [TS]

  they've been against like hey no [TS]

  programming environment such a long time [TS]

  it's nice to see them turn the corner on [TS]

  this does this mean that Xcode for iOS [TS]

  is any closer No yeah you know it's the [TS]

  same distance it's always been which i [TS]

  think is actually pretty close but it [TS]

  does mean that people trying to make [TS]

  program compliance for iOS chrome [TS]

  wearing programming environments for iOS [TS]

  no longer have to deal with AB review [TS]

  just summarily rejecting them because [TS]

  they execute code from the internet or [TS]

  whatever speaking of the App Store [TS]

  reviews no longer reset on update but [TS]

  may optionally do so do we not get to [TS]

  this list episode I don't think so [TS]

  exciting development an app starland [TS]

  yeah short version is basically before [TS]

  when you submit a new update to an app [TS]

  all your reviews would reset you and you [TS]

  have to click over like the all reviews [TS]

  tab now there are no more two different [TS]

  tabs now but there's only one set of [TS]

  reviews and every time you submit a new [TS]

  version you could now choose whether you [TS]

  want your reviews to reset by default [TS]

  they don't which is good so if you have [TS]

  like a really huge buggy horrible [TS]

  version your app and you get a whole [TS]

  bunch of one stars and your next update [TS]

  you want to reset the slate you can do [TS]

  that but by default you're going to get [TS]

  a whole bunch of reviews all mixed [TS]

  together from all previous versions and [TS]

  it'll be fine and you won't lose your [TS]

  reins any more awesome [TS]

  all right additionally with the App [TS]

  Store the review API this this is for [TS]

  developers to say hey why don't you go [TS]

  review my app or rate my app or blah [TS]

  blah blah they it's they had announced a [TS]

  new API somewhat recently doesn't matter [TS]

  exactly when a parent thank you but [TS]

  apparently it is now mandatory [TS]

  vote use use the provided API to prompt [TS]

  users to review the your app this [TS]

  functionality allows customers to [TS]

  provide an app store rating and review [TS]

  without the inconvenience leaving your [TS]

  app and we will disallow custom review [TS]

  prompts yet the only thing here is like [TS]

  we don't know it doesn't they don't [TS]

  actually say when they are disallowing [TS]

  your own custom rate this app prompt and [TS]

  they also don't say how they're actually [TS]

  going to be enforcing this and they [TS]

  probably not going to ever say that but [TS]

  you know there's been rules against [TS]

  using push notifications for promotional [TS]

  or marketing purposes since the [TS]

  beginning of push notifications and yet [TS]

  if you look at pretty much everybody's [TS]

  phone that isn't you know yours as a [TS]

  computer nerd and maybe even yours [TS]

  almost everyone else's phone always has [TS]

  on the lock screen a notification from [TS]

  some mass-market app that's like hey [TS]

  these things are now on sale come buy [TS]

  them now or something [TS]

  those are against the rules they have [TS]

  always been against the rules but Apple [TS]

  has never enforced it because it's a [TS]

  hard thing to enforce so this is one of [TS]

  those things to are like are they [TS]

  actually going to find a way to enforce [TS]

  a ban on custom rate disapp dialogues [TS]

  maybe but it sounds like you know what [TS]

  are they going to do like have people [TS]

  using the app inside Apple and hitting a [TS]

  report button when an app does this [TS]

  because it's not going to do it during [TS]

  like the two minutes that they're [TS]

  reviewing it during app review so I this [TS]

  this sounds like something that it would [TS]

  be nice I hope they can find a way to [TS]

  enforce this but based on their rate of [TS]

  enforcement on spam push notifications [TS]

  I'm not hopeful no argument here there's [TS]

  a question can we see iPad and Mac apps [TS]

  on iPhone in the iOS 11 App Store [TS]

  probably not if so it's a bug who cares [TS]

  moving on Troad winterboard writes [TS]

  previous keynotes you've discussed [TS]

  apple's efforts for quality on stage [TS]

  it's even more important to do so when [TS]

  it's as bad as this year was it that bad [TS]

  did I miss like it was pretty bad like [TS]

  think it can you think back to who you [TS]

  saw on stage during the keynote did you [TS]

  see anybody except for white guys there [TS]

  were a couple of women but it was I [TS]

  think it was a worse ratio than usual [TS]

  yeah and as we discussed in the past [TS]

  like this is not the type of thing that [TS]

  you can easily solve [TS]

  in a year because it's not like you're [TS]

  going to fire all your senior executives [TS]

  and bring up other people like what you [TS]

  want to happen [TS]

  want to happen [TS]

  but is the people who are in charge of [TS]

  the things that are being announced like [TS]

  you know the people who are most [TS]

  responsible for them get to get up there [TS]

  and show off their thing and you would [TS]

  hope the people in charge of the [TS]

  important things at Apple have a [TS]

  reasonable ratio you know some kind of [TS]

  diversity that you know that it reflects [TS]

  the the diversity that you want your [TS]

  company to have at Apple's top executive [TS]

  ranks the diversity is not that great [TS]

  and so every time there is a product [TS]

  that is announced for you know you this [TS]

  is your department come and talk about [TS]

  it guess what it's another you know grey [TS]

  haired white guy and so you know it's [TS]

  good to mix in other people for other [TS]

  portions like they brought up someone to [TS]

  do demos for example or if you get third [TS]

  party people up there I mean they're [TS]

  faced with the same problem because who [TS]

  knows who's running this third party [TS]

  companies as well but it's a thing that [TS]

  I'm sure Apple is watching and and I [TS]

  think you know we should at least be [TS]

  continued to be cognizant of it as well [TS]

  I don't know what the solution is other [TS]

  than to for Apple to continue its [TS]

  efforts to hire and promote all [TS]

  different kinds of people instead of [TS]

  making it an old boys club I'm now [TS]

  disappointed myself because I usually am [TS]

  at least basically aware of in a broad [TS]

  strokes how good or bad it was and I [TS]

  really didn't think it was this it was [TS]

  that bad this years and I must be wrong [TS]

  but I feel like I remember a handful of [TS]

  women up there certainly not in the [TS]

  executive roles but nevertheless so [TS]

  that's that's a one demerit for me [TS]

  apparently [TS]

  well it's like that thing where they say [TS]

  like you know people's perception was [TS]

  the one with people talking if you're in [TS]

  a meeting and you ask the men in the [TS]

  meeting what percentage of the time were [TS]

  women talking about percentage of time [TS]

  were men we're talking the men will say [TS]

  it was about 50/50 when in reality was [TS]

  like 15% [TS]

  the women were talking right and 85% of [TS]

  the men were talking that seems like [TS]

  50/50 to men I figure with the exact [TS]

  numbers but it was some absurd amount [TS]

  that men perceive it to be equal when [TS]

  women get a fraction of the time and if [TS]

  women even start to approach like a [TS]

  quarter of the time or half of the time [TS]

  then men perceive it as the women [TS]

  talking all the time and don't get a [TS]

  chance at all it should and it's just [TS]

  what you're used to right it's you know [TS]

  so if you're used to seeing [TS]

  which is literally three well-known [TS]

  white guys who we see every single year [TS]

  and there's one women you're like wow is [TS]

  50% women this time it really was like [TS]

  one one out of three other white guys so [TS]

  that's you know that's just something to [TS]

  be aware of in terms of cognitive biases [TS]

  that it all depends on what you used to [TS]

  know where you're coming from so the [TS]

  perception that it was not that bad and [TS]

  was you know it seemed like it was [TS]

  pretty even it's just based on what [TS]

  you're used to seeing and if it was [TS]

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  make your next move are we done with [TS]

  follow up see it see how we're able to [TS]

  do it even with the middle part where [TS]

  Casey's trying to speed run through it [TS]

  and I had to scold him even with that [TS]

  that's done got through pretty quickly [TS]

  I'm so sorry dad [TS]

  so Casey mm-hmm you have a new Mac in [TS]

  your family I do it's a baby Mac you got [TS]

  a baby Mac in your family [TS]

  congratulations it is an adorable baby [TS]

  Mac isn't it yes I think I spoke about [TS]

  at the live show that we just mentioned [TS]

  that I had placed an order for a MacBook [TS]

  adorable for those who are not aware of [TS]

  the lingo which by the way was it you or [TS]

  gray that coined MacBook adorable I'm [TS]

  gray so it was great okay I call it the [TS]

  MacBook one and it's ready yeah I mostly [TS]

  stopped doing that recently because I [TS]

  feel like now it's been long enough that [TS]

  I can you can just hit the 12-inch [TS]

  MacBook now so that's I just call it the [TS]

  12-inch MacBook now but CGP grey on [TS]

  hello Internet or was it cortex I forget [TS]

  on window and cortex um yeah I think it [TS]

  was over cortex anyway on cortex Gray [TS]

  was the one who coined the term MacBook [TS]

  adorable and then you know Mike and you [TS]

  stole it I don't think anyone else calls [TS]

  it that among our podcaster friends but [TS]

  yeah regardless the 12-inch MacBook [TS]

  MacBook adorable slash MacBook one [TS]

  indeed so when Apple announced that they [TS]

  had refreshed them at the WDC keynote [TS]

  which was mildly surprising to me I know [TS]

  a lot of people had said oh it's coming [TS]

  it's coming it's coming but I I wasn't [TS]

  so sure at this point every time Apple [TS]

  refreshes a Mac it's mildly surprising [TS]

  yeah that's actually pretty accurate but [TS]

  on yeah so within hours I had placed an [TS]

  order for my MacBook adorable it arrived [TS]

  Thursday of last week so the day after [TS]

  we recorded I don't recall when the [TS]

  episode went out but it arrived after we [TS]

  recorded and I have been using it on and [TS]

  off for the last you know four days [TS]

  whatever it is we're recording on the [TS]

  following Monday [TS]

  and I have to say so far I freaking love [TS]

  this thing because imagine how amazing [TS]

  it would be to have a computer the saw [TS]

  or a device the size of an iPad but it's [TS]

  a computer so we can button a no no no [TS]

  you're gonna hear not it it's not a toy [TS]

  it's not a thing there's no there's no [TS]

  ball and chain involved asterisk there's [TS]

  no ball and chain there it's a full-on [TS]

  computer that can do prepare yourselves [TS]

  computer e things amazing you know what [TS]

  I did just a few minutes ago I [TS]

  transcoded something on ffmpeg did you [TS]

  hear it [TS]

  no why because was slower than dirt but [TS]

  also because there's no fans because [TS]

  there's no fans of this device are you [TS]

  sure it's done [TS]

  it is done it took forever it was [TS]

  running it like 1/2 X whereas since my [TS]

  MacBook Pro would do it at like 1 and [TS]

  1/2 X and I haven't done this on my iMac [TS]

  in a long time but um but anyway I all [TS]

  kidding aside I I do love this thing it [TS]

  is not without problems but I do love it [TS]

  it is unbelievably light and I picked up [TS]

  Aaron's MacBook Air which is several [TS]

  years old now but I mean obviously the [TS]

  nothing has changed on the MacBook Air [TS]

  except that megahertz boosts that it got [TS]

  so her MacBook Air is a aircraft carrier [TS]

  by comparison it is mammoth by [TS]

  comparison weighs a ton and in fact just [TS]

  the other just this morning I was [TS]

  carrying my beloved iPad Mini which is [TS]

  also ancient and also effectively brand [TS]

  new funny how that works and I was [TS]

  carrying my iPad Mini and my MacBook [TS]

  adorable and it occurred to me based on [TS]

  no facts based on just what it felt like [TS]

  in my hand [TS]

  it felt like my third-generation iPad [TS]

  you know the one that John and I both [TS]

  had that we both loved that was the that [TS]

  was the the first of the retina iPads [TS]

  which kind of weighed ton kind of [TS]

  overheated a lot the combination of my [TS]

  MacBook adorable and my iPad felt like [TS]

  roughly the same weight as the full-size [TS]

  iPad from a few years ago the keyboard [TS]

  there are pluses and minuses overall I [TS]

  would say I like it I absolutely do not [TS]

  love it like I do the magic [TS]

  bored if it had 20 to 30% more travel I [TS]

  think I would start moving toward love [TS]

  and it's hard to describe because it's a [TS]

  weird um it's a weird turn of phrase but [TS]

  it feels more stable this keyboard then [TS]

  perhaps even my beloved magic keyboard [TS]

  like the keys [TS]

  just don't move laterally in the way [TS]

  that's certainly my MacBook Pro does my [TS]

  MacBook Pro is effectively unusable that [TS]

  keyboard right now because between the [TS]

  magic keyboard a nice keyboard the [TS]

  MacBook Pro is like it's like typing on [TS]

  it you know the MacBook Pro keyboards [TS]

  not that not the new fancy-pants ones [TS]

  I'm talking about before the scissor [TS]

  switches the MacBook Pro keyboard are [TS]

  the Lexus IS of keyboards they are the [TS]

  marshmallows of keyboards it's like [TS]

  typing on pillows I don't mean that in [TS]

  the like ah comfortable way I mean that [TS]

  in the oh god this feels gross way I [TS]

  like those keyboard pillows comfortable [TS]

  it's Python you can buy all the keys and [TS]

  you know you can feel where the arrow [TS]

  keys are without looking or missing the [TS]

  row no no I so first of all I think it's [TS]

  hilarious how many people have yelled at [TS]

  me for complaining about the new [TS]

  keyboard so much when even the fit [TS]

  basically if you're a fan of the new [TS]

  keyboard you will tend to complain that [TS]

  much about the old one so either way [TS]

  it's like because the new keyboard is so [TS]

  different from the old ones if you like [TS]

  the new one you're going to complain [TS]

  with the old one and vice versa [TS]

  I think that's mostly true however I [TS]

  only dislike the old one [TS]

  in retrospect because at the time I [TS]

  thought was a perfectly fine keyboard [TS]

  it's just now I've seen the light and [TS]

  now I don't ever want to type on that [TS]

  mushy marshmallow a disgusting mess ever [TS]

  again but no I do love this MacBook [TS]

  adorable [TS]

  I don't feel generally speaking that [TS]

  it's particularly slow I have done a [TS]

  little bit of Xcode on it I've done some [TS]

  basically you know some basic computing [TS]

  tasks in to be fair this thing is never [TS]

  really intended to be a powerhouse right [TS]

  it's intended to be a travel computer [TS]

  it's intended to be in around the [TS]

  house computer it's an intended to be [TS]

  basically a I don't want to use my work [TS]

  computer or I don't want to be sitting [TS]

  in my in-home office computer computer [TS]

  oh it's for anywhere that's not either [TS]

  my actual office or the office in my [TS]

  house everywhere else I would be using [TS]

  this I do still use my iPad from time to [TS]

  time and for better or worse as much as [TS]

  I snark like I I absolutely believe that [TS]

  you can get worked on on an iPad for me [TS]

  as I've said before and I was joking [TS]

  earlier but for me every time I use an [TS]

  iPad to do work and define work however [TS]

  you would like [TS]

  but the sorts of work that I do I either [TS]

  can't do it on an iPad because there is [TS]

  no Xcode on an iPad or it's it would be [TS]

  considerably more difficult because [TS]

  something like transcoding a video and [TS]

  ffmpeg which I do way more often than [TS]

  any normal human should I would have to [TS]

  you know remote into my iMac and do it [TS]

  that way and might the particular iPad I [TS]

  have doesn't have a keyboard attached to [TS]

  it and so for me any time I try to [TS]

  accomplish anything on the iPad it [TS]

  genuinely feels like I have a ball and [TS]

  chain attached to me I'm not saying [TS]

  that's true for you Mike it's okay you [TS]

  don't have to yell at me but for for me [TS]

  that is true and so having an actual [TS]

  friggin computer that can do anything [TS]

  that's as light in portable as an iPad [TS]

  in my personal opinion is amazing and I [TS]

  love this thing the one thing I'm not [TS]

  sure I love is the one part of the [TS]

  macbook one because by and large I [TS]

  actually don't mind having only one port [TS]

  I mean I'm pouring one out for MagSafe [TS]

  because man do I love MagSafe but [TS]

  generally I don't really mind having one [TS]

  port I've gotten two or three I think [TS]

  three dongles I have a I think it's [TS]

  anchor we'll put links in the show notes [TS]

  it's in its I believe it's an anchor a [TS]

  device that has three traditional USB [TS]

  what is that USB a I always get wrong um [TS]

  thank you three USB a ports and a [TS]

  Gigabit Ethernet jack or port connector [TS]

  whatever interface on it but it does not [TS]

  have pass-through power [TS]

  and that's a bummer so as an example [TS]

  when I wanted to do my initial time [TS]

  machine back up I had to make sure that [TS]

  this damn thing was topped up because [TS]

  otherwise I wasn't gonna make it and [TS]

  there's like not that much data on this [TS]

  thing to begin with so that's [TS]

  uncomfortable and that's something I've [TS]

  never had to worry about before and [TS]

  that's kind of frustrating if this [TS]

  particular device of this particular [TS]

  Ethernet adapter had passed through [TS]

  power that would go away [TS]

  I got a SD card reader I don't often [TS]

  take pictures off my camera I almost [TS]

  never do it on the road but I want to [TS]

  have the ability to do so I don't lament [TS]

  the fact that there's not an SD card [TS]

  slot on the device would I like it [TS]

  of course how much my card reader thirty [TS]

  bucks [TS]

  twelve I think from mana price and I've [TS]

  already used it and it works it was very [TS]

  very cheap would I preferred to be on [TS]

  the on the computer of course but am i [TS]

  bitter about it not being now it's very [TS]

  small it was like twelve or thirteen [TS]

  dollars again I'll put a link in the [TS]

  show notes and it seems to work just [TS]

  fine [TS]

  yeah just add it to your dongle bag that [TS]

  we all have to carry now and that's the [TS]

  thing like yes in I do have to have a [TS]

  dongle bag the other thing I got was a [TS]

  HDMI adapter which does have passed [TS]

  through power and this particular one [TS]

  also has a single USB a port on it so [TS]

  that's probably going to be my [TS]

  general-purpose adapter because it has [TS]

  passed through power it has USB a and it [TS]

  has HDMI so it has any of the things I [TS]

  would typically want to have while [TS]

  having passed through power the only [TS]

  thing it doesn't have is Ethernet so I [TS]

  guess maybe in retrospect I should have [TS]

  gotten a a USB a Ethernet adapter but [TS]

  presumably would have been speed limited [TS]

  whatever it doesn't matter but to your [TS]

  point I have yet to order but plan to [TS]

  order a a small little I forget the name [TS]

  of it but a Tom bin bag that I can put [TS]

  all of these little dongles in and have [TS]

  my USB C dongle bag there's not that [TS]

  many of them I don't feel like I need [TS]

  anymore [TS]

  but I needed them well for the name of [TS]

  portability you now need to dongle back [TS]

  I have one too and for the same reason [TS]

  because like I use these new computers [TS]

  now when I'm when traveling and well you [TS]

  just kind of [TS]

  need that I mean the one thing so before [TS]

  it before I make you continue and tell [TS]

  me all about how more stuff about this I [TS]

  do want to interject one brief thing [TS]

  here and that is that even even that [TS]

  I've been using the MacBook Escape as my [TS]

  computer for this role the methylase [TS]

  cave has only two ports and I have found [TS]

  that to be incredibly inconvenient more [TS]

  often than I expected and so to go from [TS]

  to well so for example during our live [TS]

  stream the the MacBook Escape was was my [TS]

  computer that I was it was doing the [TS]

  live broadcast it was playing sound [TS]

  effects into this into the PA system for [TS]

  like our you know add bumpers and stuff [TS]

  and and it was you know back of [TS]

  recording reels anyway so I was using it [TS]

  because we were in like a room full of [TS]

  laptops and nerds I didn't want to rely [TS]

  on Wi-Fi so I had an Ethernet connection [TS]

  for the live streaming internet [TS]

  connection so that's Ethernet takes up [TS]

  one of the dog or one of the spots the [TS]

  audio interface because there's no more [TS]

  audio line-in functionality in any in [TS]

  any mac except for the Mac Mini anymore [TS]

  I don't know why except just to save [TS]

  money I guess I line in used to come on [TS]

  every computer I don't know why Apple [TS]

  decided nobody needs line anymore [TS]

  because it's really cheap to add it's [TS]

  really cheap to be there it doesn't take [TS]

  a lot of space it's just it's just [TS]

  another headphone jack [TS]

  it stays room for that why isn't the [TS]

  room for a wine in but whatever the [TS]

  reason Apple decides that computers [TS]

  don't need line in Jack's anymore [TS]

  so you need an entire audio interface or [TS]

  USB sound card or something if you want [TS]

  a line in on a computer so anyway [TS]

  Ethernet in one port line in audio [TS]

  interface on the other port that's it [TS]

  and I also wanted power so and what so I [TS]

  have a few options here I can get some [TS]

  kind of dongle and I actually bought the [TS]

  Apple dongle that is the the expensive [TS]

  like $70 one that has the one HDMI port [TS]

  one USB a port and a charging [TS]

  pass-through that that's basically what [TS]

  I have but a but a cheap knockoff right [TS]

  and the reason I bought the Apple one is [TS]

  because I was using this in production [TS]

  like in a live show with a thousand [TS]

  people in the room sure I did not want [TS]

  any part of that thing to fail the other [TS]

  problem is that that's a USB a port on [TS]

  there and so one thing one thing that's [TS]

  very interesting as I found as I'm [TS]

  trying to convert to a USBC lifestyle as [TS]

  much as I can just for my own [TS]

  convenience when traveling trying to [TS]

  make it as much as we stuff as possible [TS]

  and actually listener Remy wrote in I'm [TS]

  not sure he didn't say whether we can [TS]

  use his last name so I'm not going to [TS]

  listen to Remy wrote in a few days ago [TS]

  basically pointing out this this problem [TS]

  in the USB see ego system right now that [TS]

  as far as he could tell and I agree as [TS]

  far as I can tell is anybody making hubs [TS]

  that convert a USB C port two more USB [TS]

  seaports yeah that was a very [TS]

  interesting point and I'm sure that [TS]

  there is one some way or maybe there's [TS]

  many but I certainly have not stumbled [TS]

  across one yeah neither and like and [TS]

  actually the LG 5k monitor is one such [TS]

  thing but I I'm not aware of any [TS]

  standalone hubs that like you convert [TS]

  one USB C port to like four USB ports [TS]

  like I've never I have not seen that one [TS]

  of the problems with the USB C lifestyle [TS]

  is what I was facing with this Apple [TS]

  dongle which is like okay so I have a [TS]

  USBC cable for my sound interface and I [TS]

  have a USB C Ethernet adapter and I have [TS]

  a USB C power adapter the Apple dongle [TS]

  thing only converts one to one on C so [TS]

  it has an a port but then I then I need [TS]

  to have an AE thinner adapter which I [TS]

  don't have I haven't had it since the [TS]

  MacBook Air I can move the sound card to [TS]

  that but I wasn't sure I want something [TS]

  as critical as the sound card to be [TS]

  going through a dongle with a weird [TS]

  little mini hub in it so the USB C [TS]

  ecosystem is actually kind of hard to [TS]

  fully adopt right now because you can't [TS]

  generally as far as we can tell you [TS]

  can't multiply USB C ports you might [TS]

  think oh good my computer has two or [TS]

  four or in your case one USB C port but [TS]

  that also replaces the power port [TS]

  so like that well if you actually want [TS]

  to be plugged into power you just lost a [TS]

  port which might be your only one or at [TS]

  least so now you're down from two to one [TS]

  so like if you've if you've been [TS]

  accustomed to most Apple laptops for the [TS]

  last many years have generally had two [TS]

  USB ports on them and you could be [TS]

  plugged into power and also have two USB [TS]

  things plugged [TS]

  well now you're down to on the MacBook [TS]

  one you run to zero on the MacBook [TS]

  escape you have one if you're plugged in [TS]

  and so like it's and and if you actually [TS]

  try if you actually spend the lots of [TS]

  money on one of the Apple dongles or the [TS]

  less money but still money on one of the [TS]

  third-party ones that by the way if you [TS]

  look at Amazon reviews for third-party [TS]

  USB see hubs and dongles and things [TS]

  the reviews are all over the map and [TS]

  most of them seem like they're at best [TS]

  inconsistent maybe unreliable they they [TS]

  have a lot of problems it seems and [TS]

  they're probably all using this we have [TS]

  one of a very small number of chipsets [TS]

  and things maybe those are the problems [TS]

  who knows what the problem is but [TS]

  regardless it's a problem like if if you [TS]

  want to reliably multiply these ports [TS]

  it's really hard to do that so that's [TS]

  that's a big problem and and your now [TS]

  that you're in this useless to me you're [TS]

  going to find that as well anyway so [TS]

  what I ended up doing for our live show [TS]

  I just ran on battery power the whole [TS]

  time which is a terrible solution and [TS]

  the MacBook Escape which has amazing [TS]

  battery power but you're not doing much [TS]

  ghostwrote goes from you know twelve [TS]

  hours battery life when you're like [TS]

  casually browsing Safari to if you're [TS]

  actually like running stuff off of it it [TS]

  goes to about three hours of battery [TS]

  life and that's not great it when you're [TS]

  running a podcast like this one uh so [TS]

  deep it was like it you know I so I was [TS]

  basically juggling like before the show [TS]

  I would like you know unplug the sound [TS]

  card and plug in power for a while and [TS]

  then right before we started like you [TS]

  know yank that out like switch over [TS]

  bidding then you can't test things it it [TS]

  was a it was actually really incredibly [TS]

  inconvenient and that was that was one [TS]

  of the first times besides on my [TS]

  keyboard stopped working that was one of [TS]

  the first times what I actually did [TS]

  regret having the escape because having [TS]

  only two ports is incredibly in [TS]

  community and and this is not the first [TS]

  time that this has been inconvenient for [TS]

  me but having one port I imagine for you [TS]

  is is even worse yeah it is innocent I [TS]

  think if this was my only computer it [TS]

  would get really ugly really quickly and [TS]

  I would probably have some sort of [TS]

  ridiculous dock but again the whole [TS]

  point of this machine is to be super [TS]

  portable and so [TS]

  what I ended up with was $80 worth of [TS]

  dongles and cables there evening so the [TS]

  Lightning I didn't mention previously [TS]

  but I got a lightning USBC cable off [TS]

  Amazon again and knock off that was [TS]

  eight bucks the HDMI adapter which is [TS]

  basically the same thing that add that [TS]

  Apple sells except a knockoff from from [TS]

  on a price that was 30 bucks the SD card [TS]

  reader was twelve dollars and the [TS]

  ethernet thing was $30 and so it's a [TS]

  total of 80 bucks [TS]

  roughly I'll have links in the show [TS]

  notes all of these seem to work fine [TS]

  they're not terribly large they seem to [TS]

  work okay if this was my only computer [TS]

  I'd be really grumpy and bitter but [TS]

  since it's not in since I'm not going to [TS]

  be doing terribly challenging difficult [TS]

  tasks on it for the most part it's it's [TS]

  really not bad at all and I see where [TS]

  USBC will be pretty cool and the reason [TS]

  I can see that is I wanted to try out my [TS]

  HDMI cable and so I brought the the [TS]

  MacBook adorable downstairs I hooked up [TS]

  an HDMI cable to the TV hooked up that [TS]

  cable to the dongle hooked up the dongle [TS]

  to the MacBook and then I thought to [TS]

  myself I wonder if I can power this all [TS]

  at the same time just to see because I [TS]

  thought for a minute I would like maybe [TS]

  watch a movie off of it just to see if [TS]

  it would work and it occurred to me wait [TS]

  a second my switch dock is right here as [TS]

  is my pro controller charging cable I [TS]

  wonder if in Shore not it wasn't [TS]

  actively charging the MacBook but it was [TS]

  at least slightly keeping it afloat by [TS]

  taking the charging cable for the pro [TS]

  controller on the switch which I believe [TS]

  is USB a two USB C so comes out of the [TS]

  switches USB a goes into the pro [TS]

  controller or in my case the MacBook as [TS]

  USB see and it seemed to work and I'm [TS]

  sure over hours it would eventually [TS]

  drain my battery but it was very wild [TS]

  that that was an acceptable way of doing [TS]

  things and additionally I was talking to [TS]

  underscore who has one of these as his [TS]

  travel computers far as I'm aware anyway [TS]

  and he was saying that what you can do [TS]

  is you can issue the the actual charging [TS]

  brick that came with it which by the way [TS]

  eight to my eyes looks barely any bigger [TS]

  than the you the the iPad charging brick [TS]

  that's been the iPad charging brick [TS]

  forever I understand there's one that [TS]

  works with the iPad blah blah blah or [TS]

  the same one with the right cable that [TS]

  works with the iPad but this thing the [TS]

  charging brick is comically small well [TS]

  anyways what underscore was saying was [TS]

  just use like one of your anchor or [TS]

  whatever USB a like hubs that does [TS]

  nothing but charge just let the thing [TS]

  run sit overnight suspended charging and [TS]

  it'll be just fine it'll be topped up by [TS]

  the morning and I don't know if I [TS]

  necessarily need to go to that route but [TS]

  the foot but the fact that that's an [TS]

  option that's super cool so I can see [TS]

  how this USBC lifestyle could be awesome [TS]

  but it's definitely not a hundred [TS]

  percent awesome yet I don't know now [TS]

  John you haven't gotten your new [TS]

  computer for work yet right no they [TS]

  notified me about it they said hey we're [TS]

  going to buy the new ones guess what and [TS]

  then they started giving me flak about [TS]

  wanting a one terabyte drive because it [TS]

  cost a bazillion dollars from Apple so [TS]

  we're working on it why do you need a [TS]

  one terabyte drive for work a lot of [TS]

  virtual machines I asked me the same [TS]

  question why I need such a big drive of [TS]

  it but you have unlimited space on [TS]

  Microsoft onedrive or blah blah blah [TS]

  like you know when I'm are on a virtual [TS]

  machine off of there why do you have so [TS]

  many virtual machines well because I do [TS]

  we're doing local development and back [TS]

  and docker runs in a virtual machine [TS]

  virtual machines for other kinds of [TS]

  flavors of Linux and it's just the way [TS]

  it is so you sound just like them what [TS]

  do you need all this stuff like this is [TS]

  what I got as soon as you said VM the [TS]

  conversation was over for me and it's [TS]

  not is it yeah it's not just one VM and [TS]

  like the try to go in something you [TS]

  can't run a VM off like onedrive or [TS]

  Google Drive for me good but you'll just [TS]

  be painful so we'll see how that goes [TS]

  but and also like one of the big reasons [TS]

  is like you can never upgrade it I think [TS]

  that's that's a segue that is all [TS]

  justification you need like if you are [TS]

  buying an Apple laptop or at most Macs [TS]

  today actually if you're buying a Mac [TS]

  data it does not have a gradable storage [TS]

  then the answer to why do you need the [TS]

  terabyte is literally like you can never [TS]

  upgrade this so if you want this laptop [TS]

  to last however many years that you [TS]

  intend it to last you have to really get [TS]

  as much storage as you can afford [TS]

  because that is one like barrier just [TS]

  run into and [TS]

  that's like you could never change it [TS]

  work there never an upgraded anything [TS]

  anyway they don't know Karen there my [TS]

  main pitch was like look the Mac I'm [TS]

  using right now is eight years old [TS]

  coming break here I already saved the [TS]

  company a lot of money yeah nice yeah I [TS]

  don't think I was specific by the way [TS]

  about what I ordered and for the record [TS]

  I ordered the basically maxed out [TS]

  MacBook adorable because to build on [TS]

  what you were just saying the conclusion [TS]

  I've come to is when buying a Mac this [TS]

  may not be applicable to other [TS]

  manufacturers but when buying a Mac the [TS]

  order of operations is get as much RAM [TS]

  as you possibly can that's step one step [TS]

  two is get as much disk space as you [TS]

  possibly can within your budget and then [TS]

  step three in my personal estimation is [TS]

  get the biggest processor you possibly [TS]

  can given your budget and I find that [TS]

  Ram makes the biggest difference SSD [TS]

  because of all the reasons Marco just [TS]

  gave you and then finally CPU because [TS]

  why not and so I got a maxed out MacBook [TS]

  adorable and it was not cheap but it can [TS]

  do anything I want it to do maybe not [TS]

  with the speed I want it to because like [TS]

  I was saying you know the transcoding [TS]

  something in ffmpeg is not fast but it [TS]

  is otherwise to me a no compromise [TS]

  machine and that's really awesome the [TS]

  only thing that I think is slightly a [TS]

  compromise that that does make me [TS]

  jealous of my iPad Mini is I kind of [TS]

  want cellular in it I get it I don't [TS]

  need it it's no kind of real is it it's [TS]

  kind of frivolous but God it would be so [TS]

  nice no it's not frivolous it's 2017 for [TS]

  God's sake [TS]

  having cellular in laptops which pcs [TS]

  dudes like in 2005 like this is this is [TS]

  not a ridiculous thing to ask for like [TS]

  this is something that a lot of people [TS]

  could use like like I you know I've been [TS]

  getting it on iPads basically forever [TS]

  because it really does make iPads way [TS]

  way more usable for people who [TS]

  articulate me and yes I know tethering [TS]

  just and tethering has gotten way better [TS]

  than it used to be it's way easier than [TS]

  it used to be to use but what to have a [TS]

  cellular built in is way better and like [TS]

  like now the data plans are even are [TS]

  cheaper than ever and like when you have [TS]

  a combined family plan like it only [TS]

  costs me 10 bucks a month to have my [TS]

  iPad on [TS]

  my cellular plan so Nhu the same shared [TS]

  pool of massive data that I have from [TS]

  AT&T for just another 10 bucks a month [TS]

  and that's great [TS]

  like so it's to me it's a no-brainer on [TS]

  an iPad and the second they release [TS]

  cellular laptops if Apple ever does this [TS]

  I will immediately trade in whatever [TS]

  laptop I have for a new one with [TS]

  cellular like that that is how much I [TS]

  want that like it it is such a big thing [TS]

  it's one of those things that unless you [TS]

  experience like having a Wi-Fi only iPad [TS]

  and then having a cellular iPad which is [TS]

  the exact path I went through I don't [TS]

  think you'll ever really understand how [TS]

  much more convenient it is yes I [TS]

  understand tethering is a thing yes I'm [TS]

  aware that you can turn on tethering [TS]

  from the other device if they're all in [TS]

  the same iCloud account yada yada yada I [TS]

  am aware that it is as easy as it can [TS]

  possibly be to make tethering against [TS]

  another device work I get it but that [TS]

  will never ever be as convenient as [TS]

  having the connection on the device [TS]

  you're on it just won't if you're [TS]

  sitting there and you have a furrowed [TS]

  brow and you're like what is he talking [TS]

  about that's like no I'm telling you [TS]

  it's the way it is try it sometime it's [TS]

  like the different it's like having [TS]

  having to like use a dial-up API like a [TS]

  dial-up interface on your on your [TS]

  computer like okay [TS]

  connect to the tether now disconnect [TS]

  from the tether to save the battery on [TS]

  the tethering thing or to make it stop [TS]

  burned it in the background in my [TS]

  backpack like it's you have to manage it [TS]

  it's still something you have to manage [TS]

  you have to do you have to sometimes [TS]

  wait for and you're still then draining [TS]

  the battery to your phone or having to [TS]

  plug it into one of your one USB ports [TS]

  like it's it's not it everything about [TS]

  that is painful but something at that [TS]

  another reason I ran into with my laptop [TS]

  planning with the live show is that my [TS]

  backup option before I got to the venue [TS]

  I was thinking I might have to use [TS]

  tethering as the internet connection and [TS]

  again I'm not going to rely on wireless [TS]

  tethering in a room full of a thousand [TS]

  people with Apple devices so I was going [TS]

  to use USB tethering and I had to bring [TS]

  lightning cables with both types of USB [TS]

  ends so I could make sure that I'd be [TS]

  able to plug in with either the dongle [TS]

  or direct port [TS]

  it's just friction it's just all these [TS]

  things they just add friction the USB [TS]

  transition is adding friction the fact [TS]

  that it still isn't like no matter how [TS]

  much money you're willing to spend on [TS]

  dongles and new cables right now you [TS]

  still can't fully transition to USBC so [TS]

  you're still you're still gonna be [TS]

  living in a mixed world for a long time [TS]

  and it still sucks and you there's still [TS]

  these meetings is like a like okay well [TS]

  now I my teeth ernet adapter is USBC but [TS]

  now I can't play with USB a port if I [TS]

  ever have to use a hub or something that [TS]

  only output USB a like there's all these [TS]

  there's gonna be these problems forever [TS]

  right tethering and versus built-in [TS]

  cellular is like a it's similar it's [TS]

  like it's just friction it's more [TS]

  friction and when there's friction you [TS]

  use things less or it gets in the way or [TS]

  sometimes it doesn't work like you know [TS]

  think like when it's built in will work [TS]

  every time when it's not built in when [TS]

  you're tethering like occasionally it [TS]

  won't work and that would be annoying or [TS]

  a problem for you like having it built [TS]

  in is just so much nicer yep I [TS]

  completely agree xeriscape have [TS]

  Thunderbolt yes you look into [TS]

  Thunderbolt hubs to try to solve your [TS]

  because I know USB C hubs multipliers [TS]

  apparently aren't out there the tipster [TS]

  hasn't delivered his Promised One but uh [TS]

  like a thunderbolt UBB that gives you [TS]

  Ethernet and a bunch of USB ports and [TS]

  audio and all the stuff you looked into [TS]

  that you know I haven't yet maybe I [TS]

  should I'm not sure any of those [TS]

  Thunderbolt hubs ever really were [TS]

  adopted by enough people to even know [TS]

  whether they suck or not I would be [TS]

  hesitant to also invest in any kind of [TS]

  Thunderbolt 2 gear right now and [TS]

  Thunderbolt 3 gear is probably still too [TS]

  young or not even out yet you know [TS]

  depending so well and I can't use it [TS]

  either because if I understand you don't [TS]

  have Thunderbolt right exactly if I [TS]

  understand this whole kerfuffle [TS]

  correctly I don't have Thunderbolt that [TS]

  I can get to externally so so it for me [TS]

  that's useless I'm stuck with just [TS]

  straight USB C and I'm not saying office [TS]

  ly that that's true for everyone but for [TS]

  me it's USB C or bust and and yeah I [TS]

  mean so far I really love this thing I'm [TS]

  travelling with it very very soon so [TS]

  we'll see what I think of it then part [TS]

  of the draw of getting such a small [TS]

  computer was on the plane back from [TS]

  the person in front of me decided to [TS]

  recline and I have very strong opinions [TS]

  about jerks people who recline their [TS]

  seats and planes and read and when this [TS]

  person reclined their seat I [TS]

  there was no way for me to use my laptop [TS]

  except perhaps reclining but I'm a [TS]

  gentleman so I wouldn't do that there [TS]

  was no way to use my 15 inch laptop [TS]

  without giving myself horrible pain [TS]

  somewhere on my body as silly as it [TS]

  sounds that 2 or 3 inches that person [TS]

  infringed upon what is my space damn it [TS]

  that made the difference between me [TS]

  being able to use my computer and me not [TS]

  where is this thing I mean it's it's [TS]

  almost an iPad I could pretty much use [TS]

  it anywhere and and I just I really [TS]

  really love it I'm super happy with it [TS]

  the Space Gray is so darn good-looking I [TS]

  don't know why anyone would buy any [TS]

  other color I love this thing it [TS]

  definitely does have some problems here [TS]

  and there it has some catches it has [TS]

  some some issues most notably I do think [TS]

  even just one more USB C port would make [TS]

  a world of difference but generally [TS]

  speaking for the purpose I'm trying to [TS]

  for the purpose this this laptop exists [TS]

  in my world which is to be an accessory [TS]

  to be either a portable machine to do [TS]

  something it to do everything in a pinch [TS]

  or to just be an accessory so it doesn't [TS]

  have to do everything at all it is [TS]

  pretty much perfect and I am overjoyed [TS]

  with it now ask me again once I start [TS]

  getting some real time with with one of [TS]

  the bigger iPads on iOS 11 and maybe I'm [TS]

  going to start having some buyers [TS]

  remorse because this new this new stuff [TS]

  and iOS 11 does look darn good but I [TS]

  don't think that will ever really change [TS]

  the fact that this computer can do [TS]

  everything I wanted to do maybe not the [TS]

  speed at which I wanted to do maybe not [TS]

  without a few dongles that I wish I [TS]

  didn't have to carry but it can do [TS]

  literally everything I want it to do [TS]

  whereas an iPad for me either can't or [TS]

  can't do it without having a Mac nearby [TS]

  or having a keyboard nearby or about [TS]

  without having any number of other [TS]

  things that [TS]

  to support it and while I deeply respect [TS]

  the mics and the Federico's and the Ben [TS]

  Brooks's of the world who can figure out [TS]

  a way to make this technology work for [TS]

  them for me if I have to write a [TS]

  workflow which again is one of the most [TS]

  mind-blowing ly amazing apps written by [TS]

  unbelievably great great people if I [TS]

  have to write a a workflow in order to [TS]

  get this device to do what I want it to [TS]

  do then to me that it's already failed [TS]

  because I have to bend the device to my [TS]

  will [TS]

  whereas this computer this tiny adorable [TS]

  darling little computer of mine can do [TS]

  everything right off the bat and that's [TS]

  what's important to me you know they [TS]

  sell a ski racks for the top of cars [TS]

  mmm-hmm they should sell that for night [TS]

  books like you would just be like a ski [TS]

  rack for your for your MacBook and you [TS]

  just click on all your dongles right [TS]

  yeah right I think they would really [TS]

  hammer home the point that Marco was [TS]

  getting at before which is like you buy [TS]

  these computers that is super slim [TS]

  because portability is paramount right [TS]

  but then everybody needs to bring some [TS]

  other thing with them to make the [TS]

  computer usable for them and that some [TS]

  other thing compromises portability so [TS]

  much more than an extra millimeter would [TS]

  another thing no I suppose if you never [TS]

  need to bring anything then you win the [TS]

  portability like yes thank God it's [TS]

  portable and smaller and light but if [TS]

  you have to bring a single dongle then [TS]

  it's like game over and having an actual [TS]

  rack attached to the back of them would [TS]

  be a nice way to communicate to Apple [TS]

  like that ever became a popular product [TS]

  like look you made this thing portable [TS]

  but then we put it head to put a ski [TS]

  rack on thanks a lot yeah that's that's [TS]

  the thing like when whatever Apple [TS]

  removes a port we hear from people who [TS]

  say things like well I never use anyway [TS]

  like you know just now I was 20 minutes [TS]

  ago I was ranting about how no Mac's [TS]

  have line in imports anymore except the [TS]

  Mac Mini the the reasoning behind that [TS]

  that almost any Apple fan would come up [TS]

  with in two seconds because it isn't [TS]

  that hard to come up with this reason is [TS]

  well most people don't use that I have [TS]

  one I've never used it like that's what [TS]

  everyone says whenever Apple remove [TS]

  something that I like everyone else says [TS]

  well I I've never used that port but [TS]

  like for everyone that's different so [TS]

  one thing that I would say about that [TS]

  with all my previous you know laptops is [TS]

  that I've never used the HDMI port but a [TS]

  lot of people do use the HDMI port and [TS]

  you know what even when I say I've never [TS]

  used the HDMI port that's probably wrong [TS]

  I've probably used it like once or twice [TS]

  and during those once or twice times I [TS]

  bet I was really glad I had it and a [TS]

  line in Jack for audio like this is one [TS]

  of those things where it's like it isn't [TS]

  that hard to add there they already have [TS]

  the entire like USB audio codec chip in [TS]

  these computers anyway like it would [TS]

  cost them almost nothing additional and [TS]

  while most people don't usually use it [TS]

  sometimes people use it and during those [TS]

  times it's really nice to have it and I [TS]

  would say the same thing about so many [TS]

  other features like I never use the [TS]

  front-facing camera on any of my things [TS]

  but a lot of people do so it's fine I [TS]

  never use many of the capabilities most [TS]

  people don't use all of the humilities [TS]

  of the computers and the computing [TS]

  devices they have that does not mean [TS]

  that the correct design decision is to [TS]

  get rid of everything like there's this [TS]

  obsession with getting rid of things [TS]

  minimizing things deleting things [TS]

  erasing things the reality is like these [TS]

  are general purpose devices and the more [TS]

  they can do the more useful they're [TS]

  going to be to people the more they're [TS]

  going to help people the more often [TS]

  they're going to be able to do what [TS]

  people need them to do with with the [TS]

  equipment they already have without [TS]

  buying a bunch of dongles and having [TS]

  them with you all the time I really I [TS]

  wish that Apple would have the courage [TS]

  and I'm using this word deliberately [TS]

  here have the courage to say yes [TS]

  sometimes to have the courage to say you [TS]

  know what even though most people don't [TS]

  use say the SD card slot for the people [TS]

  that do that's incredibly useful and [TS]

  it's not really you know being a problem [TS]

  for us to keep it there so let's keep it [TS]

  there or how about maybe if we're going [TS]

  to have a whole new line of computers [TS]

  that is reducing the number of ports it [TS]

  has down to almost nothing how about we [TS]

  give people the most [TS]

  of that port that we possibly can and [TS]

  maybe they are now I don't know I don't [TS]

  know the details about thunderbolt [TS]

  bandwidth and stuff but like I feel like [TS]

  Apple needs to step back a little bit [TS]

  from the obsession with removing things [TS]

  because it really does overall make [TS]

  these things less useful in times and [TS]

  people don't expect that or don't [TS]

  welcome that or we have to patch over [TS]

  over these wonderful beautiful objects [TS]

  with things like dongle bags and our in [TS]

  our bags that now we have to carry these [TS]

  additional things and spend the 80 plus [TS]

  dollars on all these additional adapters [TS]

  that we didn't need before with with the [TS]

  computers that we bought a few years ago [TS]

  we didn't need a dongle to to do this [TS]

  common thing and now we do and is so [TS]

  have we really made progress like that [TS]

  sounds worse to me there's there's [TS]

  nothing wrong with a computer having a [TS]

  capability that most of its customers [TS]

  don't use if it's not costing you a lot [TS]

  to have it there if it's not causing [TS]

  some kind of big problem what's the big [TS]

  deal with having it there for the time [TS]

  when someone does need it and then they [TS]

  can be happily delighted that oh my [TS]

  computer can do this new thing that I [TS]

  need to do suddenly right now that I [TS]

  didn't that I didn't predict or plan for [TS]

  by dongle for ahead of time what's so [TS]

  bad about that I think the answer is [TS]

  it's it's to get rid of them simplifies [TS]

  things to get rid of them makes things [TS]

  smaller and thinner and as much as I am [TS]

  a hundred percent behind you on thinness [TS]

  being a bad thing for phones like we [TS]

  could stand to have our phones get a [TS]

  little thicker and you've been saying [TS]

  that for a long time and I agree with [TS]

  you in this case though I have to [TS]

  concede that this thing being is thin [TS]

  and light as it is it's pretty nice [TS]

  that's exactly why I bought it [TS]

  oh yeah and others I mean there's no [TS]

  differences here like I'm not saying [TS]

  that that the one super thin super light [TS]

  computer in the lineup has to have a [TS]

  million ports on it because obviously [TS]

  that actually doesn't have the room for [TS]

  it and I but I'm talking about like you [TS]

  know okay I got over them removing [TS]

  Ethernet a while ago because well even [TS]

  that's really big you know so that makes [TS]

  sense but like SD cards and audio jacks [TS]

  and stuff were pretty small [TS]

  like and you like you can fit those in [TS]

  thin bodies it's not it isn't a problem [TS]

  like that's a lot of these things seem [TS]

  to have been removed just because they [TS]

  thought people didn't use them enough [TS]

  anymore or they were tired of shipping [TS]

  them or something like and okay but you [TS]

  know III really it's it's hard it's hard [TS]

  to tell whether some of these things [TS]

  were removed for good reasons that [TS]

  benefit the customers or for reasons [TS]

  that only benefit Apple for the benefit [TS]

  nobody or we all know they just need to [TS]

  add a second USB port to the adorable [TS]

  Emma needs an SD card reader to the big [TS]

  giant expensive 15-inch and like and [TS]

  then maybe put four ports on the escape [TS]

  and we're all happy like that we're not [TS]

  asking for the moon here you know again [TS]

  you're not gonna be even a part of these [TS]

  things but if you had for us BC on the [TS]

  escape you'd be able to get over a lot [TS]

  of the weird USBC ecosystems you'd be [TS]

  like well whatever I'll get four dongles [TS]

  and plug them all in and power right and [TS]

  on the escape you know it is super thin [TS]

  you don't have room for much of anything [TS]

  but you know how about a second second [TS]

  port you know maybe if there'd be [TS]

  computer than that it's fine and on the [TS]

  big giant 15-inch that has everything in [TS]

  it [TS]

  SD card plus 5 USB see who's going to [TS]

  complain about that you can probably [TS]

  still complain about the audio and being [TS]

  missing although I think any analog [TS]

  input at this point is crazy so it'd [TS]

  have to be the optical one with a little [TS]

  you know little light at the end of the [TS]

  thing they get rid of optical too and [TS]

  all the new MacBook Pros they used to be [TS]

  the hybrid Jack that that has the [TS]

  optical out they've also the IMAX [TS]

  getting rhythm - which is unfortunate [TS]

  because I use mine but oh well that's [TS]

  the that I only pick certain battles [TS]

  yeah I think they're saying that the you [TS]

  know digital audio through USB is the [TS]

  way to go like I'm all like I said I'm [TS]

  all on board with the USB see is they [TS]

  are tiny just you please give us more of [TS]

  them or I suppose Apple can come up with [TS]

  some kind of reliable hub because you're [TS]

  on you know I suggest the Thunderbolt [TS]

  tub is a solution to your problem but [TS]

  you know it's not the type of thing [TS]

  you'd want to order a week before going [TS]

  to WWC even cross your fingers that [TS]

  thing doesn't flake out because as we [TS]

  all know hubs are notoriously flaky and [TS]

  exactly it would be nice if every nice [TS]

  of Apple didn't leave this as a third [TS]

  party opportunity for those things but [TS]

  so yeah they're close like I think the [TS]

  lines are close on you know their laptop [TS]

  lines are close on the things they're [TS]

  including and again like [TS]

  that a couple shows ago I'm glad they [TS]

  put us ba on the iMac because it's not [TS]

  like there's not room for it back there [TS]

  plenty room and boys in it convenient to [TS]

  not have even more dongles hanging off [TS]

  the back of your fancy new iMac and I'm [TS]

  still pinning my hopes on those [TS]

  statements that whoever was said during [TS]

  the Mac roundtable about the Mac bro [TS]

  that they're thinking about you know [TS]

  MacBook Pros that address some of the [TS]

  customer use needs the easy answer is [TS]

  guess what you already saw those they [TS]

  mount some of WWC how do you like them [TS]

  but I'm still holding out hope like know [TS]

  they they meant they're gonna add SD [TS]

  card to the 15-inch right right no me I [TS]

  wouldn't count on that [TS]

  oh it could happen if it's that we huh [TS]

  there's so much room for it there also [TS]

  one thing I want to argue about your [TS]

  Thunderbolt hub thing for a second here [TS]

  so so people in the chat pasted this [TS]

  link to apparently the Belkin did make a [TS]

  Thunderbolt 3 hub so first of all it's [TS]

  three hundred and fifty dollars and this [TS]

  is not just the one time like almost [TS]

  every Thunderbolt hub that has ever [TS]

  existed that actually is Thunderbolt [TS]

  base and not just USB they're almost all [TS]

  like three hundred dollar range like in [TS]

  that ballpark so so it's like it like so [TS]

  the the the reason this is not a [TS]

  solution number one is that it's very [TS]

  expensive and number two is that it adds [TS]

  all ports that aren't USB sea ports it [TS]

  heads USB AAA ports you know Ethernet [TS]

  just DisplayPort homes just and then two [TS]

  Thunderbolt 2 ports well who needs that [TS]

  like if you're moving to this new [TS]

  ecosystem you want Thunderbolt 3 devices [TS]

  that use USB C so like and and on top of [TS]

  that it needs its own giant power supply [TS]

  and they tell you just as like as like a [TS]

  geek wisdom thing one of one of the [TS]

  biggest reasons why many like [TS]

  peripherals or you know things like [TS]

  peripherals why they often fail or suck [TS]

  is crappy or unreliable AC DC power [TS]

  supplies like it basically if your thing [TS]

  is not bus powered if it is powered by [TS]

  its own external power brick not only [TS]

  does that make your desk and stuff [TS]

  Messier but also it is way more likely [TS]

  to suck or fail because those power [TS]

  bricks are crap [TS]

  they oh they're always crap and the the [TS]

  the one thing you do not want is to rely [TS]

  on one of those power bricks or to [TS]

  introduce them into your setup and cause [TS]

  possible like you know noise or [TS]

  interference or they always suck they're [TS]

  always cheap pieces of crap and so [TS]

  anything you can do to avoid needing [TS]

  external power into a peripheral you [TS]

  will be better off for it [TS]

  but then also that also means that USB [TS]

  hubs you know are often either unpowered [TS]

  which sucks then you plug in devices not [TS]

  enough power or you know they they need [TS]

  these these things or they only have [TS]

  like two ports you know so it's like any [TS]

  of these hub solutions almost always [TS]

  suck the way to make you the USBC [TS]

  ecosystem not suck is to a have just [TS]

  have as many of these ports on the [TS]

  computers as you can fit and as the [TS]

  chipset can power and drive like step [TS]

  one try to avoid the need for hubs at [TS]

  all because what what the correct answer [TS]

  if you're arguing for the USB see future [TS]

  slash now it's really the present if [TS]

  you're arguing for the USB see world you [TS]

  should be totally accommodating and it [TS]

  should be awesome for people who are [TS]

  willing to go out and buy USB see [TS]

  everything like look you okay so you [TS]

  bought a new laptop I bought my laptop [TS]

  like I went out and I bought a USB [TS]

  Ethernet adapter and a USB see SD card [TS]

  reader and USB see lightning cables and [TS]

  like because I'm like you know if I'm [TS]

  gonna do this I'm going to go all-in I'm [TS]

  gonna get all USB USB see stuff but if [TS]

  you do that now it still sucks because [TS]

  there's still no like USB C port [TS]

  multiplier hubs out there as we said [TS]

  earlier so like you still have to live [TS]

  in this weird mixed world and you're [TS]

  dealing with all these unreliable hubs [TS]

  with crappy Amazon reviews that are made [TS]

  by no-name companies and even the ones [TS]

  from good companies like anchor have [TS]

  terrible reviews and it's like it just [TS]

  seems like this whole world of like of [TS]

  USB see relies currently today on this [TS]

  ecosystem of crappy hubs that kind of [TS]

  ruin the whole thing like once you go [TS]

  beyond the ports in your computer and so [TS]

  what we need is for the computers to [TS]

  need fewer hubs a by having more ports [TS]

  and B we need good hubs and I know this [TS]

  is like this is not an exciting topic [TS]

  but like think about how long it took [TS]

  to find good usb3 hubs like just with us [TS]

  be a port on it I mean it took I don't [TS]

  know if you guys have good ones it took [TS]

  me like two years to find a good USB 3 [TS]

  hub that didn't flake out and like [TS]

  disconnect drives randomly that were [TS]

  plugged into it and stuff like that [TS]

  still today USB 3 which is now [TS]

  comparably ancient very few hubs are [TS]

  good but there are a few that exist [TS]

  we need good USB C hubs now and we as [TS]

  far as I can tell from the world out [TS]

  there I don't think we have any that [TS]

  actually give you more USB seaports let [TS]

  alone good ones and the ones that give [TS]

  you different ports again as I mentioned [TS]

  they they don't seem to be consistently [TS]

  good and so if this role is going to [TS]

  happen if this is going to actually take [TS]

  off we need those two things we need [TS]

  more ports and laptops I mean great hubs [TS]

  and until that happens it's going to be [TS]

  really a pain to have a USB see devices [TS]

  and I kind of feel like would it kill [TS]

  Apple to make a good hub like I know [TS]

  it's the most boring Apple product in [TS]

  the world but they make boring stuff [TS]

  sometimes I call their little adapters [TS]

  and cable like they make other boring [TS]

  stuff that would enable this like if [TS]

  Apple just made like a decently you know [TS]

  one to four USB see hub that would be [TS]

  great like because I think we have seen [TS]

  the entire rest of the electronics world [TS]

  they have shown us over the last like [TS]

  decade they can't do this like they they [TS]

  cannot do this reliably that the entire [TS]

  consumer electronics industry is not [TS]

  capable of putting out reliable USB hubs [TS]

  like we're lucky if we can find one [TS]

  model of one sometimes that works for a [TS]

  while [TS]

  for God's sakes Apple just give us a USB [TS]

  hub okay but talk with a TP tipster [TS]

  you're our only hope [TS]

  thanks a lot to our three sponsors this [TS]

  week Squarespace away and hover and we [TS]

  will see you next week [TS]

  now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

  mean to begin cuz it was accidental oh [TS]

  it was accidental johnny research Marco [TS]

  and Casey wouldn't let him [TS]

  cuz it was accidental it was accidental [TS]

  and you can find the show notes at ADP [TS]

  FM and if you're into Twitter you can [TS]

  follow them at CAS II WA L is s so [TS]

  that's Casey list em a are Co AR m and T [TS]

  Marco Arment SI r kc USA Syracuse [TS]

  baby [TS]

  so we didn't actually complete follow-up [TS]

  yet of course we didn't we have I mean [TS]

  will we ever complete follow-up is it [TS]

  even a possible thing if John has his [TS]

  way the only way we complete follow-up [TS]

  is by ceasing to record the show anymore [TS]

  in any case we have one piece of [TS]

  follow-up that we did not cover but is [TS]

  very important and it is WWDC breakfast [TS]

  so rich has written in and said I had [TS]

  doughnuts at WWDC breakfast three out of [TS]

  five days this year maybe they were gone [TS]

  when you arrived John that shows their [TS]

  insufficient doughnuts cuz if they're [TS]

  gone like I was good coming at the same [TS]

  time as I show up every year and it's [TS]

  not it you know the very first person in [TS]

  line but I'm not super late either you [TS]

  need to have enough doughnuts for [TS]

  everybody I don't know that means [TS]

  there's a lot of doughnuts but you got [TS]

  to do what you got to do enough I I [TS]

  would also like to thank our listeners I [TS]

  have gotten a surprisingly small amount [TS]

  of flack about my completely [TS]

  embarrassing Philadelphia Cream Cheese [TS]

  Incident and I appreciate you guys [TS]

  taking pity on me so thank you yeah it [TS]

  is summer break though for a lot of [TS]

  people I bet a lot of people have gotten [TS]

  the episode yet that's possible give [TS]

  them time and speaking of getting flack [TS]

  we had one at one of us one of the three [TS]

  of us was very bitter a couple of days [TS]

  ago and one of the three of us had [TS]

  committed the ultimate ATP sin which is [TS]

  not getting title case correct because I [TS]

  tell you the audio could be totally [TS]

  garbage in an episode and that would be [TS]

  less offensive to one of my co-hosts [TS]

  than the title case being in credit that [TS]

  is not the case at all I can care about [TS]

  more than one thing at once [TS]

  I like good audio quality correct Idol [TS]

  case those two things get it was [TS]

  particularly frustrating because we [TS]

  discussed on the show hey don't forget [TS]

  to use title case which letters should [TS]

  be capital just use the website then [TS]

  Marco decided you know what I don't like [TS]

  what the website said I have different [TS]

  opinions about what title case should be [TS]

  and he changed the title and I see it in [TS]

  my feed with the capital F and for [TS]

  and it stabs my eyes like daggers so [TS]

  anyway I am blaming Marco for this if [TS]

  you look the title of our show and said [TS]

  boys yes dunno how use title case no [TS]

  just Margo yep I take full [TS]

  responsibility i I looked at the way it [TS]

  was capitalized and I thought that does [TS]

  not look right [TS]

  that's exactly how grammar works you're [TS]

  right you did it this bar doesn't look [TS]

  like it's spelled right I'm gonna change [TS]

  it [TS]

  first of all spelling and stylistic [TS]

  capitalization are very different things [TS]

  secondly there there are there are many [TS]

  rules of both grammar and for things [TS]

  like style manuals for publications many [TS]

  rules that like with permission you [TS]

  sometimes can break like if you know [TS]

  what you're doing and you'd like you [TS]

  know you're breaking the rule but you [TS]

  decide like the rule is wrong here you [TS]

  can break you've drifted from alright [TS]

  stylistic breaks and know what you're [TS]

  doing - just deciding that the rule is [TS]

  wrong and those are two different things [TS]

  that feel like one is like there's it is [TS]

  competing belief systems that you [TS]

  understand the nuances of you choose [TS]

  among them and the other is I don't know [TS]

  too much about this that seems wrong to [TS]

  me it's so so for you know for listeners [TS]

  who are not aware looking at the list [TS]

  episodes basically the last title the [TS]

  last episode was what was for suckers [TS]

  something which was ogres scrolling [TS]

  scrolling is for suckers and title case [TS]

  calm the website that we've used that we [TS]

  agreed upon is our like title case [TS]

  capitalization Authority it capitalizes [TS]

  in the phrase title case or smooth [TS]

  scrolling is for suckers it capitalizes [TS]

  that is and not the four because four I [TS]

  guess I guess it probably has a ruled [TS]

  not to capitalize prepositions but to [TS]

  always capitalized verbs that's my guess [TS]

  right so is is the verb so you [TS]

  capitalize that but then for you don't [TS]

  and I thought having every single word [TS]

  capitalized in that and not the four [TS]

  looked wrong like having the is [TS]

  capitalized and not the four and I tried [TS]

  making both of them lowercase but that [TS]

  didn't look right either and I made it [TS]

  both of them capital and that looked the [TS]

  least wrong of all the things that we [TS]

  had [TS]

  so let's see the thing with style guides [TS]

  is you have agreed upon set of roles [TS]

  that you use and you can change the [TS]

  style guide but you can't say for this [TS]

  instance I'm gonna ignore the style goes [TS]

  why I have to have the style guide then [TS]

  right so you know it's like consistency [TS]

  and and takis calm I do not hold up is [TS]

  like it's not how I would capitalize it [TS]

  either like I would do it differently if [TS]

  I was Howell you know but this was just [TS]

  the tiebreaker it's like to make KC's [TS]

  life easy so he doesn't have to guess [TS]

  and we don't have to discuss it just go [TS]

  to this website and the websites gonna [TS]

  do stuff that we don't agree with but [TS]

  it's just consistent are you not able to [TS]

  deviate from the thing that you decided [TS]

  is consistent if you think it's wrong [TS]

  but I think it's wrong to I would do [TS]

  lowercase I and lowercase F that's what [TS]

  I would done but I died deferred to the [TS]

  website and I would have settled for [TS]

  that all I decided was that capital I [TS]

  lowercase F looked wrong and either they [TS]

  should both be lowercase or they should [TS]

  both be capital anyway I just want to [TS]

  assign blame that's all yeah it's [TS]

  totally my fault [TS]

  I i overrode and I knew you'd be mad and [TS]

  I made a calculated risk like you think [TS]

  I wouldn't notice which is we just know [TS]

  no I knew you would notice there there [TS]

  was no chance you were not going to [TS]

  notice but III it was a calculated risk [TS]

  based on like I think John is relatively [TS]

  happy with me you know as much as he can [TS]

  be these days I think I can probably get [TS]

  away with doing this maybe once a year [TS]

  and this seems like a good time to do it [TS]

  because the way that the title case com [TS]

  did this look so bad to me [TS]

  so I decided to spend the rest of the [TS]

  year making your peace with typeface [TS]

  calm as I have because again it's not [TS]

  the way I would capitalize you you have [TS]

  to make your peace with it and case you [TS]

  can spend the rest of the year working [TS]

  on his comma usage I wonder if I could [TS]

  buy it and just change it oh yeah where [TS]

  where was there a aggressive amount of [TS]

  commas and what did you have to repair [TS]

  I didn't repair anything I just left it [TS]

  as is but like all right so what do we [TS]

  got here I'm aggressive most because you [TS]

  mean in the show no yeah some so for the [TS]

  listeners so Casey usually writes all or [TS]

  almost all of the show notes yeah John's [TS]

  ancient comma slow comma Mac Pro oh yeah [TS]

  it shouldn't be after slow that should [TS]

  be gone that that's right I don't know I [TS]

  I'm not gonna argue that it's I stand by [TS]

  it still looks right to me sitting here [TS]

  today no you're ruining my Arc [TS]

  this is the new rule for English written [TS]

  languages does it look right to Marco or [TS]

  Casey no this rule number that is just [TS]

  wrong [TS]

  alright no no raise the shownotes anyway [TS]

  it's fine but a lot of people do read [TS]

  the title so [TS]