The Accidental Tech Podcast

225: A Conversation with Siri

 

  [Applause] [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  hey everybody hello this is wild a [TS]

  little bit but this is a lot of people [TS]

  but that's cool [TS]

  so thanks everyone for coming this is [TS]

  super awesome and thank you again to the [TS]

  allcomp people for making this all [TS]

  happen this is really really great and [TS]

  we don't really have an agenda here [TS]

  because this is the accidentals have [TS]

  podcast so I think you had something you [TS]

  wanted to discuss with the group I [TS]

  decide format no it's like doors how [TS]

  many people in this room regularly [TS]

  listen to the live stream that's yeah [TS]

  well anyway if you listen to the live [TS]

  stream and for everyone else you listen [TS]

  to the download of podcast it's edited [TS]

  and during the live stream we just do a [TS]

  bunch of stuff and then Marco turns it [TS]

  into a show and so we're gonna do a [TS]

  bunch of stuff here including I'm voting [TS]

  listen to Marco do an edit reads live [TS]

  which is always fun but I have a format [TS]

  question for all three of us which I [TS]

  didn't mention before but like at some [TS]

  point during this show during this [TS]

  recording Marco is gonna hit a button [TS]

  that's gonna play our theme song what [TS]

  happens after that so I was like this [TS]

  has been like I've been kind of [TS]

  postponing like thinking about this Mike [TS]

  had a good idea of why don't we have the [TS]

  audience sing the theme song along [TS]

  this is exactly the kind of thing that [TS]

  would be totally way too mortifying for [TS]

  the three of us to do but there's a [TS]

  whole room of people here who might feel [TS]

  differently so I think that's how we [TS]

  should solve all right but after the [TS]

  song and then what happens we talk about [TS]

  cars and we keep talking right but today [TS]

  today do they file out while we talk [TS]

  about cars hi everybody [TS]

  we'll figure it out when we get there [TS]

  that's that's the other question I'm [TS]

  afraid to ask that's what I'm going to [TS]

  now how many people know what happens on [TS]

  the podcast [TS]

  after the themes that's most anybody not [TS]

  raising their hand people don't know [TS]

  what happens all right I gotta have that [TS]

  for reuse I just thought I'm getting at [TS]

  is I don't know how we're gonna end this [TS]

  podcast like literally I don't know how [TS]

  we're gonna end it because we just kind [TS]

  of tail off and the actual regarding [TS]

  anyway well this is all pre-show what [TS]

  you're hearing now this is called [TS]

  pre-show and this is the stuff that we [TS]

  do while we're trying to figure out what [TS]

  I'm gonna record anyway I think I got [TS]

  that amazes me how many more pre-show [TS]

  stuff let's get on with the show [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  [Applause] [TS]

  you know for for an accidental tech [TS]

  podcast we don't mess around around [TS]

  these parts so I spent a lot of money [TS]

  today I just thought I'd let everyone [TS]

  starting with that you're already off [TS]

  track that's all alone this is how it [TS]

  works this is what we do John is all [TS]

  right go ahead you can see you can have [TS]

  your moment yeah I bought I bought a [TS]

  MacBook adorable and I'm really excited [TS]

  about that [TS]

  so finally the MacBook adorable has been [TS]

  updated I am very stoked and and I'm [TS]

  really excited for to arrive and like [TS]

  three freakin weeks because I went all [TS]

  in and got the super fancy one [TS]

  humblebrag not so humble brag whatever [TS]

  and I'm really excited that that [TS]

  happened and that's really all I care [TS]

  about and oh yeah iPad stuff happened [TS]

  and we can I guess we're done I love [TS]

  that you you are the old like it's like [TS]

  you ever see the pictures of the [TS]

  highways when a place is being evacuated [TS]

  for a hurricane and you see like there's [TS]

  like all the people going one direction [TS]

  and there's one car going the other way [TS]

  like this is the entire rest of universe [TS]

  right now I was like oh my god I've had [TS]

  productivity this is the future they [TS]

  basically made it the Mack asterisk [TS]

  asterisk so we're going there and you're [TS]

  like yeah you know what this is the [TS]

  perfect time to stop using my iPad I [TS]

  know this is great finally we're at [TS]

  Lawrence Federico I don't know where he [TS]

  is but I'm so sorry buddy all right I [TS]

  think hey I don't think this is going to [TS]

  put a damper on his day [TS]

  no no you're right I don't think that's [TS]

  possible all right so we got to get the [TS]

  show on the road I should stop [TS]

  distracting everyone so so today is the [TS]

  first day of wEDC the keynote was just a [TS]

  few hours ago [TS]

  I don't know when Marco will get the [TS]

  chance to release this as a proper [TS]

  version of the app or a proper version [TS]

  of the show tonight I'm dedicated oh [TS]

  that's intense well I'm not staying up [TS]

  that late but I don't ever get involved [TS]

  with that anyway because I'm a big diva [TS]

  anyhow the the guinot was today the Kino [TS]

  was today and it was quick like they set [TS]

  a really high bar for us getting through [TS]

  this show quickly which is something [TS]

  that the three of us are entirely [TS]

  incapable of doing now so this is going [TS]

  to be a little bit interesting well this [TS]

  is going to be like a John Godfather [TS]

  situation where like the commentary it's [TS]

  probably gonna bear was Goodfellas [TS]

  Godfather [TS]

  of course yeah yeah but this is this [TS]

  keynote was like a speedrun like at [TS]

  first Kevin Lynch was up there and he [TS]

  was he was going fast I thought maybe [TS]

  because he was nervous but everybody [TS]

  went really fast because they had so [TS]

  much stuff and we're I guess we're gonna [TS]

  go through it in keynote order which [TS]

  means like the exciting things are at [TS]

  the end because they save them to the [TS]

  end so we have a bunch of on exciting [TS]

  things in the beginning so TV OS so I [TS]

  have a question was the OS or any part [TS]

  of the OS actually mentioned or actually [TS]

  changed because a content deal is not [TS]

  the OS as far as I can tell the OS ng [TS]

  usually watch State of the Union and [TS]

  state again they showed one slide that [TS]

  showed that they had some new things for [TS]

  helping I don't know we had a bunch of [TS]

  icons that maybe think they added some [TS]

  more navigation stuff but anyway nothing [TS]

  new in TV that we care about right the [TS]

  funny thing is back six months ago [TS]

  before I knew that the Grand Tour was a [TS]

  pile of garbage I would have been super [TS]

  amped to have Amazon Prime video on the [TS]

  Apple TV and as it turns his oh man [TS]

  wanna castle this good shows an Amazon [TS]

  yeah well either way all I cared about [TS]

  was the Grand Tour and now it's just a [TS]

  disaster so I mean I'm excited I guess [TS]

  this is perhaps the dam breaking which [TS]

  is really exciting but I don't know I TB [TS]

  OS man so let's move on [TS]

  watch OS what's a nice right and there [TS]

  wasn't that much more there there was a [TS]

  little bit of new stuff and watch OS I [TS]

  think it's interesting you know like I [TS]

  was kind of predicting that this would [TS]

  be like a kind of a quiet year for those [TS]

  two and then mostly panda most of other [TS]

  predictions were horrendously wrong but [TS]

  this one I think I actually got Siri [TS]

  everywhere I thought you were on the [TS]

  right track cuz they're like oh the Siri [TS]

  watchface we really are gonna see Syria [TS]

  everywhere so the watch family okay the [TS]

  watch is computer it like you can make [TS]

  it be anything you can make it show [TS]

  anything you can give it the [TS]

  intelligence to say I don't always want [TS]

  to have set at the bottom if I [TS]

  occasionally want a timer down there but [TS]

  when a timer is running I want it to be [TS]

  on screen and so they have this [TS]

  potential since day one of the watch to [TS]

  be like we can we can make it smart it's [TS]

  a Smart Watch so we can only show stuff [TS]

  that you need to care about at that [TS]

  moment but it's mostly been unreal eyes [TS]

  on the watch faces they've been very [TS]

  pretty much static like you could make [TS]

  multiple ones now you know with three [TS]

  but but the the complications you would [TS]

  set up would be pretty much fixed and it [TS]

  wasn't actually being very smart about [TS]

  that so now they make a face where they [TS]

  actually make something smart but it's [TS]

  only on that face like you can't just [TS]

  put a like smart complication as like [TS]

  the big bottom one in like you know some [TS]

  of the other phases I like that like why [TS]

  it's a good step to get smarter but why [TS]

  is it only on that one kind of [TS]

  interesting Lee design phase yeah I [TS]

  thought when they were showing that [TS]

  segment it's like oh you're gonna be [TS]

  able to like swipe your complications or [TS]

  make like a make your own smart face [TS]

  with different times a day but no you're [TS]

  right it is all one face and all see [TS]

  refocus that doesn't even look like a [TS]

  watch and I don't know I mean I maybe [TS]

  it's just a start to this I for a brief [TS]

  moment I thought they're gonna say [TS]

  they're probably watch faces yes sir bye [TS]

  I thought of it for like eight seconds [TS]

  there was a little glimmer of hope at [TS]

  the beginning there yeah yeah I thought [TS]

  your worlds were gonna collide Marco [TS]

  where you have watches and you could [TS]

  make your own face and you can make it [TS]

  as fancy as you wanted you know because [TS]

  your watch is not very smart I don't [TS]

  know if for those who aren't here he's [TS]

  wearing a proper mechanical watch so [TS]

  yours is not a very intelligent it's a [TS]

  feature watch it's a face yeah but it's [TS]

  you know I I do want the watch to take [TS]

  advantage of the fact that it's a [TS]

  computer and and they clearly they now [TS]

  are considering things like the [TS]

  intelligence of the face by making this [TS]

  eerie face it's more dynamic with what [TS]

  it's showing you but they didn't take it [TS]

  far enough so maybe in the future they [TS]

  will I hope they do it did a lot of [TS]

  workout stuff like because I'm thinking [TS]

  that recognising the watch is mostly a [TS]

  fitness related things like a lot of [TS]

  rumors for workouts of you know getting [TS]

  rid of frustrations in terms of like I [TS]

  want to up on my own little the workout [TS]

  but I want to pause the music and stuff [TS]

  like that so those those seem like smart [TS]

  focus features I got the lap swimming in [TS]

  the pool you know that's that's pretty [TS]

  esoteric and the grand scheme of things [TS]

  I like the they had said that they were [TS]

  gonna do like monthly based reminders or [TS]

  something like that like hey if you are [TS]

  near the end of the month and if you you [TS]

  know move the next three you hit your [TS]

  move goal the next three days you will [TS]

  get your move goal for the whole month [TS]

  and and I think that's kind of neat [TS]

  because I pay some amount of attention [TS]

  to my rings and you know not all of us [TS]

  are just innately a blue ring stud like [TS]

  me so so for you guys I'm sure that this [TS]

  is pretty important for your blue rings [TS]

  but but I thought that was really cool [TS]

  and I think that a lot of these things [TS]

  were typical evolutionary improvements [TS]

  but as always with Apple mostly with [TS]

  Apple they were not revolutionary [TS]

  watch me look good and it was it was [TS]

  early on Makino so they didn't talk [TS]

  about all of the things that annoy like [TS]

  if you if you wipe your watcher on [TS]

  parrot you lose all your data and [TS]

  sometimes you stand every hour during a [TS]

  day but it doesn't give you your stand [TS]

  ring because it doesn't like you like I [TS]

  was bought a mulligan hmm I'm Mulligan a [TS]

  feature where it would be like oh come [TS]

  on I get one Mulligan per day and I [TS]

  could say I totally stood that hour [TS]

  anyway that's its next year for watch OS [TS]

  5 I guess I also have a small concern [TS]

  with the activity reminders that you [TS]

  know right now when you get a watch on [TS]

  default settings there is increasingly [TS]

  more health and fitness type things that [TS]

  it bugs you about every so often and I [TS]

  wonder if they if they push that too far [TS]

  like they had to breathe last year and [TS]

  every if they push that too far people [TS]

  will turn those off and I feel like [TS]

  they're they're really on the edge of [TS]

  that right now well it's to some degree [TS]

  it's all about the way the person [TS]

  perceives it right because to you it's [TS]

  frustrating and annoying and especially [TS]

  with breathe I agree with you but [TS]

  otherwise I think that most of these [TS]

  reminders are kind of nice and I'd like [TS]

  to try to get reminded from something [TS]

  external to myself hey get off your lazy [TS]

  butt and move a little bit you've been [TS]

  writing code for the last six hours [TS]

  maybe you should go I don't know get a [TS]

  drink of water or something and so for [TS]

  me I actually think it's really cool [TS]

  again with the breathe accepted because [TS]

  I don't dig that at all I'm brave during [TS]

  the keynote day did you stand at 50 [TS]

  minutes exactly no not good not so much [TS]

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  for those that don't listen to the live [TS]

  broadcast when Marco used to do the [TS]

  reads during the live broadcast it was a [TS]

  train wreck it was not a train wreck but [TS]

  it wasn't bad [TS]

  there were occasional derailments that [TS]

  of a minor variety so are there really [TS]

  minor train drill anyway so right [TS]

  speaking of de railing trains hi Sierra [TS]

  what is that I mean come on I mean we'll [TS]

  get to this later but D what do you [TS]

  think is the worst name hi Sierra [TS]

  or home pod oh hi Sierra I think this I [TS]

  think they're both fine I thought [TS]

  they're gonna call it Sierra Nevada but [TS]

  High Sierra is fine that's the thing I'm [TS]

  okay see didn't know it was a thing [TS]

  either but it is it is a place anything [TS]

  and it wasn't there a high sierra like [TS]

  volume format or like cd-rom standard [TS]

  this is where you are the live chat room [TS]

  and someone nobody know oh people some [TS]

  kind of it is some kind of like cd-rom [TS]

  like Mount Rainier kind of standard yeah [TS]

  yeah hi Sierra so anyway I thought the [TS]

  dad jokes leading up to it like I'm a [TS]

  sucker for a good dad jokes I was fine [TS]

  whatever but then I was expecting Craig [TS]

  to be like oh haha no really no it's [TS]

  called something else and that never [TS]

  happened it took me about a minute [TS]

  before I realized it wasn't a joke yeah [TS]

  exactly I really thought that they that [TS]

  Craig's me oh I'm so funny I'm such a [TS]

  good guy and really it's called like you [TS]

  know Yosemite plus-plus or whatever [TS]

  anyways and and so as it turns out [TS]

  they're they're rolling with the high [TS]

  sierra and like um that's on the surface [TS]

  i thought the the loose drug references [TS]

  were kind of funny as like a gag but [TS]

  when you're introducing the new version [TS]

  of your OS with all of these drug [TS]

  references and are like no really this [TS]

  is it that just i don't know that's a [TS]

  little weird to me but the OS looks good [TS]

  so there's that yeah this kind of we can [TS]

  playing about like they keep having to [TS]

  revise mac OS every year and we've like [TS]

  you should slow down the pace [TS]

  slowing down the pace they'll have a [TS]

  marketing release this year but the [TS]

  number of features they're adding I mean [TS]

  this could practically be a point [TS]

  release you know like this not doesn't [TS]

  look like there's a lot of new stuff in [TS]

  it or the very least not a lot of stuff [TS]

  through stuff they talked about [TS]

  obviously a PFS which is [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  the most important feature of the [TS]

  operating system as we all know they [TS]

  didn't go into detail on it but they did [TS]

  do the one like demo that you can do [TS]

  with it with the the file cloning which [TS]

  is not really that impressive if you [TS]

  understand what's going on under the [TS]

  conference about whatever they know like [TS]

  they didn't finish what they didn't show [TS]

  basically was is a PFS faster than HFS+ [TS]

  like if you do some big operation to a [TS]

  lot of files either just using straight [TS]

  POSIX API Zoar in your app is it [TS]

  actually faster than a trust maybe it's [TS]

  not or maybe it's a wash but if you're [TS]

  taking advantage of features that only [TS]

  API has have IPS has obviously it's [TS]

  going to look good so that was fine you [TS]

  didn't you didn't might not watch the [TS]

  State of the Union Marko but because [TS]

  you're busy getting ready over here but [TS]

  there was a kind of a sad note about Mac [TS]

  OS Sierra and 32-bit app support scary [TS]

  sad note because I think of how many [TS]

  32-bit apps I have my Mac I have a lot [TS]

  and I bet everybody has a lot and unlike [TS]

  iOS apps [TS]

  I have little hope that if 32-bit [TS]

  support goes away that all those app [TS]

  developers they are even still [TS]

  developing those apps in B will update [TS]

  them all to 64-bit version so they said [TS]

  so 32-bit app support is not going away [TS]

  in high sierra but in the one after that [TS]

  probably we're gonna yell at you if you [TS]

  try to launch it like we're wishy-washy [TS]

  about it but bottom line is 32-bit apps [TS]

  are not long for this world in Mac OS in [TS]

  the next year or two but hold on that [TS]

  was that just the App Store because I [TS]

  don't remember that's the that's the OS [TS]

  my impression is that that's the OS we [TS]

  just came from the State of the Union so [TS]

  we didn't have time we'll leave on the [TS]

  audience are nodding that means them [TS]

  right there and their wording was like [TS]

  it this will be the last release we're [TS]

  like you can do it like without big [TS]

  problems right so maybe they'll do some [TS]

  kind of like virtualization layer thing [TS]

  or like an emulation like Rosetta like [TS]

  later on down below to say you know this [TS]

  app may make your Mac slower like they [TS]

  do in iOS you know when you're a 32-bit [TS]

  eyes engages in like all 32-bit [TS]

  libraries to actually run the ad oh yeah [TS]

  I'm guessing they'll have some kind of [TS]

  like patchwork solution because it [TS]

  wouldn't be that hard for them to do it [TS]

  like they already have all the libraries [TS]

  enough so they could do like a VM kind [TS]

  of like emulation mode for those apps [TS]

  and just yell at you with a dialog boxes [TS]

  telling you that your computer's not [TS]

  performing very well you know we skip [TS]

  Safari and I don't mean I don't think [TS]

  there's a lot to say about it but I'm [TS]

  super excited about the changes they've [TS]

  made I mean autoplay video blocking that [TS]

  awesome how long do you think I'll take [TS]

  be able to defeat that well can we at [TS]

  least be positive firm alright fine come [TS]

  on man but no that's exciting I figured [TS]

  what else was in Safari but but look [TS]

  it's faster it's really fast it's always [TS]

  fast every Lea that did the the [TS]

  intelligent tracking prevention which [TS]

  sounds like some kind of algorithm to [TS]

  detect whether to block third party [TS]

  cookies on ads which is pretty cool by [TS]

  default that's that's nice like it's [TS]

  it's kind of like a half ad blocker step [TS]

  maybe they would also block things or [TS]

  the more invisible kind of trackers that [TS]

  you don't necessarily you know see you [TS]

  know there's kind of the massive three [TS]

  megabytes of includes that most of these [TS]

  websites have now so maybe this is kind [TS]

  of them building in an ad blocker by [TS]

  default like as a baby step and they [TS]

  probably would never go out and say [TS]

  we're blocking all your ads so the [TS]

  people might sue them but this is [TS]

  something like well you are browser just [TS]

  decides not to load your JavaScript [TS]

  sometimes like they might be loading [TS]

  them I think they're just trying to make [TS]

  you less trackable I guess I'm about to [TS]

  go to the sessions about this week [TS]

  they're randomizing identifiable [TS]

  information I don't think they're [TS]

  randomizing your user agent string but [TS]

  they could be randomizing some stuff [TS]

  that people use to pin you down like [TS]

  exposing the whatever API is they use to [TS]

  get like I don't they can get your [TS]

  battery level like they do on the phone [TS]

  or whatever but like making you appear [TS]

  to be a different phone when you are so [TS]

  they're not blocking the ads they [TS]

  emphasize that but they don't want [TS]

  people to get mad at them but they're [TS]

  just making you less trackable which is [TS]

  just good I don't know if it's on iOS [TS]

  too but I would assume so the other [TS]

  thing only other thing I want to talk [TS]

  about in Mac OS I don't want to talk [TS]

  about the photo stuff because I don't [TS]

  think there was that much there we need [TS]

  to move on maybe we'll circle back to it [TS]

  but the part where they talk about [TS]

  graphics and like oh this is it they're [TS]

  going to upgrade the OpenGL support and [TS]

  they're gonna have a Vulcan is gonna be [TS]

  awesome and you know NVIDIA GPUs are [TS]

  going to be in the new Mac Pro next year [TS]

  and but no no so they're they're [TS]

  doubling down on a doubling down on [TS]

  metal which is good it's their thing [TS]

  it's fine but I think by them talking so [TS]

  heavily about metal is kind of them [TS]

  saying we're never gonna do Vulcan like [TS]

  we're we're just doing metal and that's [TS]

  our thing and if you don't because they [TS]

  got they got bench and support they got [TS]

  unity and unreal and like so they don't [TS]

  I think they're not hurting from the [TS]

  lack of open sore but just fine I [TS]

  suppose [TS]

  I'll take what I can get but that was [TS]

  one fake out in the Mac OS section for [TS]

  me yeah I will briefly say though [TS]

  because there wasn't that much to talk [TS]

  about with photos this is pretty fast [TS]

  they added syncing of the metadata stuff [TS]

  that's awesome that's what is awesome [TS]

  huge glaring hole from last year as you [TS]

  mentioned last week that was the one big [TS]

  hole in the feature set that they needed [TS]

  to plug so that way our devices aren't [TS]

  hot for like the first two days after we [TS]

  got a new one or restore it like that's [TS]

  a huge thing that was my last night now [TS]

  he's not when it downloads I'm gonna [TS]

  tell it sinks the the data [TS]

  so yeah syncing is good and you won't [TS]

  have to recompute it but you will have [TS]

  to pull it down [TS]

  hopefully the progress bar we're pulling [TS]

  down will be better and related to that [TS]

  and we don't have a separate section for [TS]

  iCloud but it's worth talking about here [TS]

  on one of the slides or the thing it [TS]

  said like family storage plans for [TS]

  iCloud storage yeah which is one tiny [TS]

  step closer to family photo libraries [TS]

  because if we have family storage like a [TS]

  family plan on a cell phone thing we pay [TS]

  for a certain amount for the whole [TS]

  family and you share it in some way [TS]

  that's a great place to put a family [TS]

  photo library not this year [TS]

  mail got some improvements that's pretty [TS]

  good I actually think mail app is fine [TS]

  don't throw tomato I these I mean it's [TS]

  fine for me it works I'm not a super [TS]

  productivity guru that needs whatever [TS]

  the fancy mail app of the minute is like [TS]

  like a lot of you guys probably are just [TS]

  more than one mail app after your fancy [TS]

  yeah that's true so yeah so oh just long [TS]

  ago given up on ever be able to search [TS]

  my mail on iOS [TS]

  well I'm supposedly that's getting [TS]

  better it's gonna take up a lot less [TS]

  space etc etc not an iOS yeah well [TS]

  that's true um and then there's this new [TS]

  HEV C codec which is h.265 that's kind [TS]

  of cool oh yeah it's nice that they're [TS]

  trying to they're bringing support down [TS]

  like hardware support to some things [TS]

  some existing hardware but if not have [TS]

  software support so that'll that'll [TS]

  really help and then converting [TS]

  everything internal like anything that [TS]

  they make will use their you know that [TS]

  the h.265 and their new image container [TS]

  format everything that's all really [TS]

  smart and will make everybody happy and [TS]

  then the beginnings of your good day [TS]

  they said that you can use external GPUs [TS]

  so you can play games and do whatever [TS]

  things you need this ridiculous GPU for [TS]

  with an external GPU so that's exciting [TS]

  right yeah like it was like I was like a [TS]

  dev kids they were giving you that was a [TS]

  huge surprise like that that the first [TS]

  bit of new hardware Apple announced was [TS]

  an external GPS so here's what I want to [TS]

  see for them for a real commitment this [TS]

  is like oh you know this will let you [TS]

  use higher powered GPUs on your laptops [TS]

  and turn it into kind of the [TS]

  Pro that we're not yet introducing right [TS]

  but are they going to ship a product I [TS]

  want official Apple support the thing [TS]

  that I can plug a GPU into I don't [TS]

  purchase like oh it's a third party [TS]

  opportunity here's a driver I hope that [TS]

  company doesn't go out of business like [TS]

  if they're really committed to it I want [TS]

  to see an Apple branded in style box [TS]

  that you put GPUs in the official [TS]

  support this is just the beginning this [TS]

  is a dev kit so we don't know we don't [TS]

  know what their product story is there I [TS]

  hope they have a product story and not [TS]

  just a know you can come because they [TS]

  couldn't even when they left it to third [TS]

  parties that could even get monitors [TS]

  right with the LG thing I don't want [TS]

  them to leave external GPU to third [TS]

  parties and just you know good luck that [TS]

  seems like an orphan thing but yeah [TS]

  that's you have the ability to do with [TS]

  Thunderbolt people are already doing it [TS]

  with hacks right this is not doing an [TS]

  official Apple sport is is great and [TS]

  step in the right direction [TS]

  well then VR was was spoken about well [TS]

  that's kind of cool and yes sir [TS]

  knowledgeable mostly the headset they [TS]

  have with a little Denson it was that [TS]

  the the HTC vive yeah well I would they [TS]

  didn't didn't announce the vive can make [TS]

  fun of me for Mom and you save Eve its [TS]

  announced on Bozell I don't know I don't [TS]

  know I don't have one but that's what [TS]

  the picture they use for the graphics [TS]

  with the logos removed they didn't [TS]

  announce like oculus or HTC supporting [TS]

  Apple stuff they did announce like [TS]

  entrance support and steam VR support [TS]

  but they didn't have like a hardware VR [TS]

  story it's good they have a VR story now [TS]

  instead of like no VR is just not a [TS]

  thing but it's not as if they came out [TS]

  and said all the major VR hardware and [TS]

  software vendors are supporting us in VR [TS]

  as the future they seem much more [TS]

  heavily into AR but still it is it is a [TS]

  big step for them to acknowledge that VR [TS]

  is a thing and to acknowledge that maybe [TS]

  people who create content in the world [TS]

  might want to create content for VR [TS]

  sometime so maybe we should ship some [TS]

  computers with some big GPUs in them [TS]

  yeah or at least better G because I [TS]

  don't know enough about the the Radeon [TS]

  line to know if these are like the super [TS]

  top-end being on the current [TS]

  architecture is a nice change right and [TS]

  yeah yeah who'da thunk it you'll see [TS]

  Helena keeps up yeah they're not I'm not [TS]

  gonna update the back again for another [TS]

  two years it'll be fine [TS]

  yeah all right so then we started [TS]

  talking about hardware but yeah there's [TS]

  something else that's awesome that we [TS]

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  show two / three nicely done [TS]

  so we we got some IMAX that's exciting [TS]

  they've got fancy new displays which is [TS]

  cool they're on kb lake gentlemen I feel [TS]

  like there should be some sort of [TS]

  excitement about this I'm surprised the [TS]

  room isn't a rug this is not a demand [TS]

  I'm surprised the room isn't erupting in [TS]

  thunderous applause [TS]

  it really wasn't it - man okay [TS]

  I'm not that desperate good god guys I [TS]

  feel like isn't that much better I mean [TS]

  it's nice but it's but it's it's more [TS]

  modern yeah it's not today so leaving [TS]

  aside the real star of the show as far [TS]

  as the three of us are concerned [TS]

  I thought the IMAX look good I mean it's [TS]

  an improvement the displays are better [TS]

  they're faster more RAM all these good [TS]

  things I like the fact that they kept [TS]

  the USBA ports on the back because this [TS]

  is like finally you have us be seeing [TS]

  Thunderbolt summit but they didn't [TS]

  remove all the a ports because all that [TS]

  would mean is even more dongles hanging [TS]

  out the back of your IMAX at places [TS]

  where you can't reach them and that like [TS]

  the weight of the dongle makes them bend [TS]

  down and everything so I I'm glad that [TS]

  they did that and they kept the SD card [TS]

  slot they were like no the future is not [TS]

  SD cards we got to remove it you know [TS]

  they didn't add anything but they didn't [TS]

  take away anything either so this is a [TS]

  very very pragmatic iMac update and at [TS]

  least I'm differentiating the line in a [TS]

  way that they don't with the portables [TS]

  that like this the larger and bigger and [TS]

  more complicated the computer the more [TS]

  you care about legacy ports unless we're [TS]

  going to try to like make it even [TS]

  thinner and remove all the ports and [TS]

  just tell you you shouldn't stick SD [TS]

  cards if you want an SD card reader just [TS]

  by a USB C hub and then put the USBC [TS]

  cable into then put a card reader into [TS]

  that with your adapter and your dongle [TS]

  then it's like just give me the slot to [TS]

  put in the back so I I like those IMAX [TS]

  they look pretty good the screen stuff [TS]

  would did they say the standard IMAX [TS]

  have better brightness and everything - [TS]

  yeah and 10-bit color tube not is tenth [TS]

  they said temp it did the ring which I [TS]

  don't yeah right it makes me think that [TS]

  the screen is still not capable of abut [TS]

  that they're gonna be there to get the [TS]

  different color things I don't know what [TS]

  that means well maybe yeah that's worth [TS]

  clarifying you're looking to end it [TS]

  didn't say anything about image [TS]

  retention Marcus I don't know whoops [TS]

  yeah and then there still some some [TS]

  spinning platter bottles some tea well [TS]

  yeah but they're all fusion like they [TS]

  did they no they're not the base model [TS]

  21 inch is still a 5400 rpm it really [TS]

  did you confirm is they made a big point [TS]

  of it that the fusion was standard on [TS]

  all models they were very careful to say [TS]

  that all 27 is configure oh let's have [TS]

  you know I don't think they should have [TS]

  fusion drives and they should be SSD [TS]

  everywhere I explained but anybody's [TS]

  mind why me an option if you want like a [TS]

  ton of space but it should not like [TS]

  that's a crutch like their they should [TS]

  not be using that and we don't know I [TS]

  don't know yet a fusion drives or [TS]

  supporter with a BFS like I don't know [TS]

  how that works [TS]

  that's like both for conversion which [TS]

  wasn't mentioned at all and also if you [TS]

  by one of these things like a year from [TS]

  now and it comes to the fusion drive is [TS]

  the spinning disk part of it a PFS does [TS]

  it make a difference I don't know I'm [TS]

  shocked that they did not take the ten [TS]

  seconds in their committee and talk [TS]

  about it to talk about file system [TS]

  conversion and that's that's a scary and [TS]

  important step that everybody has to go [TS]

  through so I talked about oh my word [TS]

  let me talk about the birds in position [TS]

  the new iMacs that they bump the GPUs [TS]

  they give better GPUs and all across the [TS]

  line which is a lot of their GPU talking [TS]

  their graphics talk is acknowledging a [TS]

  weakness in their entire product line [TS]

  that their GPUs are not great they're [TS]

  kind of middle of the road and it hurts [TS]

  them and so I don't know if you need [TS]

  them for the VR stuff but it's just it's [TS]

  just embarrassing when they're like [TS]

  fancy games that everybody else is [TS]

  playing that are available for the Mac [TS]

  on Steam but people don't want to play [TS]

  them or can't play them or the frame [TS]

  rates are terrible it doesn't look good [TS]

  so I'm glad they are making progress in [TS]

  that area and I didn't look at the [TS]

  pricing I think jacking up the prices [TS]

  compared to the current models based on [TS]

  having a better Jo I'd be enhancing yeah [TS]

  I mean they have a place to jack up the [TS]

  prices and that's oh sure it was this [TS]

  was this where they did the demo of the [TS]

  VR stuff with with Star Wars and ILM and [TS]

  all that I believe so yeah because it [TS]

  struck me as I was watching this like if [TS]

  you think of everyone on stage they all [TS]

  had like prompters and and had people [TS]

  around them and you preserve ibly they [TS]

  were able to see like kind of cues of [TS]

  what they were supposed to talk about [TS]

  next this this poor woman I don't [TS]

  remember call her name I think I did [TS]

  write it down somewhere of akkad knows [TS]

  where it was anyway she had to have [TS]

  goggles on and just do all of this from [TS]

  memory I can barely remember my own name [TS]

  half she ducked under growth fairies [TS]

  lightsaber that wasn't there it was that [TS]

  was a that was a hell of a demo it was [TS]

  it was intense like I'm serious that was [TS]

  super impressive because everyone else [TS]

  at least can look at a monitor remind [TS]

  themselves what they're supposed to he [TS]

  goes oh no it's ILM they're good at this [TS]

  island doesn't do live shows in front of [TS]

  an audience they hey they do [TS]

  post-production they have all the time [TS]

  in the world so they they must have [TS]

  burst that like crazy and that was that [TS]

  was impressed obviously wasn't a game [TS]

  that you can play but it was a very cool [TS]

  demo that was super cool so was I Mac [TS]

  Pro next well next day they did a quick [TS]

  MacBooks update but butch we pretty much [TS]

  already covered I mean you're welcome [TS]

  did see this is what's nice about the [TS]

  MacBook update to cable a kit like first [TS]

  of all they did all of them but [TS]

  you know but actually even the MacBook [TS]

  Air yeah with a megahertz bumpit same [TS]

  screen the same everything we increase [TS]

  the clock speed yeah but if it went to [TS]

  sky like that's gonna be a big battery [TS]

  boost in the MacBook Air but it what's [TS]

  nice about the knife about the MacBook [TS]

  update is that they did it you know [TS]

  cabling came out not that long ago you [TS]

  know they're shipping these products on [TS]

  time basically and they're doing it all [TS]

  and it's not that big of a deal they [TS]

  didn't they didn't like hold everything [TS]

  back until this winter when the I Mac [TS]

  Pro launches or whatever they're not [TS]

  like artificially delaying things I [TS]

  didn't hold it back until I could get 32 [TS]

  gigs of RAM in either they just said [TS]

  like we're gonna write and do the [TS]

  updates we can do now and everyone [TS]

  that's right like that like it's really [TS]

  nice that we're that this is the first [TS]

  step in a potential return to regular [TS]

  updates on a healthy schedule for the [TS]

  entire Mac lineup this is step one of [TS]

  that we'll see if they can maintain that [TS]

  over time that would be nice I hope they [TS]

  do but this is the distant indication [TS]

  that they're at least on that path right [TS]

  now and that I'm really glad to see ya [TS]

  was it gray and Mike that we're talking [TS]

  about you know I want to see like a line [TS]

  here yeah I don't want to see just one [TS]

  point where oh yeah they updated great [TS]

  think that was me but it's not it was [TS]

  also you I'm the way excuse me everyone [TS]

  my mistake but but the point is still [TS]

  fair right regardless of who made it the [TS]

  point is that you can start to draw a [TS]

  line here and say okay updates are [TS]

  happening with some amount of regularity [TS]

  which is a great sign now we'll see if [TS]

  that stays true for iPad stuff which [TS]

  we'll get to in a minute but I mean this [TS]

  is still a step in the pot in the right [TS]

  direction which is good well it kind of [TS]

  makes me dread when they change the [TS]

  cases again because maybe we can start [TS]

  attributing the the delay to that like [TS]

  oh they update them fine when it's all [TS]

  in the same case but then there's like [TS]

  this big update where they're like touch [TS]

  bar and the new form factors in the [TS]

  MacBook one I hope the next time they [TS]

  change the form factors there isn't a [TS]

  weird gap again yeah well next speaking [TS]

  of weird gaps they kind of addressed the [TS]

  Mac Pro need temporarily with the iMac [TS]

  pro which we all knew was a thing that [TS]

  was coming - ever since that briefing [TS]

  they had but for me it was always a big [TS]

  question mark of like what will the iMac [TS]

  pro have that the Mac Pro doesn't and [TS]

  and what would the iMac Pro have that [TS]

  the regular iMac doesn't like where they [TS]

  feel this you know how do they balance [TS]

  that and how [TS]

  they maintain a reason for those other [TS]

  two ends of the scale to exist and I [TS]

  still have just as many questions now [TS]

  because what they ended up he's gone we [TS]

  saw it in the hands-on area [TS]

  it's space gray oh my god can we just [TS]

  talk about how hot that thing looks that [TS]

  thing looks amaze it was dark in the [TS]

  room I I wish it wish it was matte black [TS]

  but I guess they gotta save the matte [TS]

  black for the pro ID by the way I'm the [TS]

  iMac Pro let's think of an alternate [TS]

  universe an alternate universe exists [TS]

  where the iMac pro was there going to be [TS]

  their story for pro Mac hardware like [TS]

  that's when this project was conceived [TS]

  the iMac Pro was conceived there was no [TS]

  plan for the Mac Pro that they've now [TS]

  promised us right so think about that [TS]

  think about imagine a world where Apple [TS]

  announces this and they never had the [TS]

  Mac Roundtable and we all look at this [TS]

  and it's cool and everything but I think [TS]

  people would still be super angry [TS]

  because this is not oh I know two people [TS]

  though like you believe them the people [TS]

  who want pro max I mean some people are [TS]

  still saying this Pro Mac is not exactly [TS]

  what they want but for a top-end iMac I [TS]

  think it's awesome because now we know [TS]

  the other one is coming so this doesn't [TS]

  need to be all things to all people it [TS]

  needs to be and and that's why it has [TS]

  these these guts in them that are so [TS]

  high-end like 18 core Xeon and 128 gigs [TS]

  of GCC ramesses because this was that [TS]

  going to be the Mac Pro story so your [TS]

  questions I guess are probably like how [TS]

  did they get all that stuff in there is [TS]

  it gonna melt how loud is it gonna be as [TS]

  are those these are questions yeah so my [TS]

  biggest question like the answer like [TS]

  one where they put it on the spectrum is [TS]

  they put a Mac Pro in the on that case [TS]

  like they put Xeon CPUs workstation [TS]

  class graphics we think you know high [TS]

  ram ceiling ECC Ram big a big throughput [TS]

  it has dual Thunderbolt controllers so [TS]

  it's like 10 city Ethernet although all [TS]

  the highest of the high end features are [TS]

  in there in this little skinny package [TS]

  of the one by the way the one on the in [TS]

  the hands-on area like it was it was a [TS]

  prototype so I couldn't tell like what [TS]

  the noise levels are gonna be but they [TS]

  had the fans set to max just you know so [TS]

  it's not it's not representative Harbor [TS]

  but it was so loud in that room I [TS]

  couldn't tell but definitely there was [TS]

  more airflow coming to that thing that [TS]

  you were to expect but otherwise it just [TS]

  it just looks like an iMac it just looks [TS]

  like an iMac it doesn't didn't look any [TS]

  thicker to me no in fact it's the exact [TS]

  same dimensions according to their [TS]

  website it said without adding a [TS]

  millimeter we had all this power because [TS]

  yeah but it was not just like an iMac [TS]

  did you see how good that thing looked [TS]

  like I want [TS]

  I don't just want the space great I do I [TS]

  do I just really have the Magic Trackpad [TS]

  - the Magic Trackpad also comes in space [TS]

  grip and the mouse they all come down [TS]

  space great and the keyboard is now [TS]

  Wireless with a number pad a combination [TS]

  that has never just did you had that's [TS]

  super awesome and I asked I asked the [TS]

  person that was doing like the kind of [TS]

  demo ten seconds after I asked them [TS]

  didn't I wasn't there I walked up right [TS]

  after John and I was like so what [TS]

  switches are these exactly and he said [TS]

  it's exactly like the current magic [TS]

  keyboard which we can all agree is the [TS]

  best keyboard that has ever existed good [TS]

  talk all right so no it really does all [TS]

  kitties I looks great the the fan output [TS]

  like I put my hand behind the exhaust [TS]

  vent which is in the back [TS]

  unlike the IMAX that we have today if I [TS]

  recall correctly that was moving a lot [TS]

  of air and admittedly like John said it [TS]

  was loud in there admittedly we only had [TS]

  but 30 seconds or whatever in front of [TS]

  it but it did not sound terribly loud to [TS]

  me at all [TS]

  and it was moving a stunning amount of [TS]

  air for what looked to be a little tiny [TS]

  area that what that the vent was taking [TS]

  it's gonna be heating up the foot [TS]

  because like it's blowing back on the [TS]

  little l-shaped foot thingy and so that [TS]

  foot is gonna get hot and like the act [TS]

  as a radiator and slowly warmth like if [TS]

  you put a piece of chocolate on the top [TS]

  part of that foot was going melt into a [TS]

  puddle it's kind of interesting we were [TS]

  not to touch it by the way although I [TS]

  did immediately grab the mouse but I [TS]

  basically on my hand slapped we aren't [TS]

  allowed to touch it is just for them to [TS]

  look at the only other thing that we [TS]

  asked was relevant is it does have [TS]

  socketed RAM that you could see in like [TS]

  the diagram when they showed it in the [TS]

  keynote but there is not user [TS]

  upgradeable there is no door you are not [TS]

  supposed to reach in there and so it's [TS]

  not all soldered to the board but does [TS]

  matter you still can't upgrade it so or [TS]

  with as much RAM as your can afford [TS]

  after you mortgage your house to buy one [TS]

  of these things yeah so speaking of when [TS]

  would it start at five grades starts [TS]

  starts at five thousand which is not but [TS]

  you know fad yeah like if you configure [TS]

  a Mac Pro with eight cores and one [TS]

  terabyte which is what that base to [TS]

  figure Asian is and 32 gigs of ram [TS]

  that's actually not that ridiculous plus [TS]

  the screen yeah that's a good you get a [TS]

  free screen with it which is nice yeah [TS]

  like that's how I can do that like you [TS]

  know right now today having not look too [TS]

  far into it yet I consider that pretty [TS]

  reasonable so is sitting here now we [TS]

  where you guys I should say we cuz I [TS]

  don't I'm not gonna get one of these [TS]

  despite have we talked neither what it [TS]

  is no but [TS]

  I'm curious actually are you guys going [TS]

  to get one of these because in a lot of [TS]

  ways on the surface it will obviously [TS]

  mark away but I still have to ask the [TS]

  question I was gonna get two of them [TS]

  let's be let's failure he's gonna get [TS]

  two of these that's probably true [TS]

  but you know it this does seem to solve [TS]

  a lot of problems and so on the one side [TS]

  I'm really excited about this for you [TS]

  guys especially that it solves a lot of [TS]

  problems and it seems like this is the [TS]

  way of the future but at the same time [TS]

  we had that roundtable where they said [TS]

  no really the way the future is the new [TS]

  Mac Pro that'll come sometime between [TS]

  now and 2030 so this is the marshmallow [TS]

  experiment what's the name of that one [TS]

  whole thing yeah like you offer the kid [TS]

  we can have one marshmallow now if you [TS]

  wait 30 seconds to get of two [TS]

  marshmallows the kids like one [TS]

  marshmallow now so if you can wait until [TS]

  next year or the year after or sometime [TS]

  after that you can get a Mac Pro which [TS]

  is going to be probably super awesome [TS]

  just like this is because they're [TS]

  clearly they're showing their their [TS]

  willingness to put the best of the best [TS]

  stuff inside a Mac they've done it here [TS]

  as best they could in this little skinny [TS]

  thing and in the Big Mac Pro it's gonna [TS]

  be even you know so if you can wait for [TS]

  that you will get it if you can't wait [TS]

  you can plunk down your life savings on [TS]

  this thing and so so is that what you're [TS]

  gonna do are you gonna plunk down your [TS]

  life savings on this now if my like I [TS]

  would love to have one of these I would [TS]

  love to replace my Mac with it it looks [TS]

  like a great computer but I bet all of [TS]

  the Mac Pro even more so I just keep [TS]

  using my I want to go for it I'm gonna [TS]

  go for a decade so if I can just keep [TS]

  using my computer from euros point you [TS]

  might as well wait I don't know if if [TS]

  we're to having this podcast in 2019 I [TS]

  still have no computer I swear I'm gonna [TS]

  go back in time and buy an imac fro [TS]

  right now i bet both of those things [TS]

  will be true I bet that is hacker know [TS]

  any like the big question for me which [TS]

  is probably what you're thinking of also [TS]

  is like well you're you're already seven [TS]

  I Pro for like you know shape and [TS]

  political reasons but like political [TS]

  reasons but I'm thinking like what is [TS]

  left for the Mac Pro to do and if you [TS]

  like if you look at this like this [TS]

  really is a lot of Mac Pro type Hardware [TS]

  in an iMac case like what why should the [TS]

  Mac Pro still exist with this and I like [TS]

  him up the handful of reasons like my [TS]

  big one was if you want multiple CPUs or [TS]

  GPUs yeah so you know if it [TS]

  it will presumably a new Mac Pro would [TS]

  have to support either dual GPU at least [TS]

  dual GPU sockets and maybe dual CPU [TS]

  sockets that because otherwise again [TS]

  like wow this thing exists and then of [TS]

  course you know maybe they'd have a kind [TS]

  of a fundable controller like a third [TS]

  one to make more bandwidth total for [TS]

  external connections and stuff maybe [TS]

  they're gonna have some kind of 8k story [TS]

  with arrow-display' 2 to 10 gig Ethernet [TS]

  ports yeah and and the big thing also [TS]

  would be presumably quieter and all [TS]

  reliance and reliability just plain [TS]

  reliability and modularity like what [TS]

  you're looking for is yeah we was always [TS]

  quieter and it's it doesn't get stressed [TS]

  as much but if for pro hardware you want [TS]

  it to just be super reliable you don't [TS]

  want to be in the edge of the thermal [TS]

  envelope like I kept thinking of the [TS]

  thermal corner thing creds daily we [TS]

  paint herself into a thermal corner with [TS]

  the old Mac Pro I look at that that I'm [TS]

  Mac Pro that looks like a hell of a [TS]

  thermal corner like I don't know I don't [TS]

  know how much Headroom you have in that [TS]

  thing but there it's like 500 watt power [TS]

  supply and that's a lot of energy to you [TS]

  know the waste heat to get out of that [TS]

  system the Mac Pro should have Headroom [TS]

  it should be the type of thing that you [TS]

  can stick either under a desk or on a [TS]

  desk or whoever is going to be in some [TS]

  editing Bay and leave it there and it [TS]

  will just be rock-solid reliable and [TS]

  quiet ish and that that's that's the [TS]

  role and of course it'll be even more [TS]

  expensive and hopefully also cooler [TS]

  looking like if they're saving matte [TS]

  black for something use it in the Mac [TS]

  Pro yeah I mean I think it's I actually [TS]

  am a little bit concerned like why is [TS]

  this iMac not shipping now is this like [TS]

  because they don't get the CPUs in [TS]

  volume or the GPUs custom partly Maya [TS]

  but I think it was always going to ship [TS]

  like here's the thing about this WC they [TS]

  announced a lot of thing a lot more [TS]

  things than usual that are not shipping [TS]

  so it's kind of like the old thing was [TS]

  like we're going to tell you things that [TS]

  are shipping in the near future are now [TS]

  and if there's stuff later we can always [TS]

  have another event about revised [TS]

  whatever's but they just announced [TS]

  everything that they have for this year [TS]

  it seemed like an ounce almost [TS]

  everything now even if it's not shipping [TS]

  until December so it makes for a better [TS]

  keynote I think we all day makes her [TS]

  better keynote to show the iMac pro now [TS]

  then are they really told us it's coming [TS]

  than to wait until December and they're [TS]

  going to miss the holiday season with it [TS]

  to like it's just it's better they I [TS]

  think they learn from the Mac Pro think [TS]

  it's better to let people know what [TS]

  coming and show it to them and get them [TS]

  excited about it and it's not you know [TS]

  when it releases everyone will buy it [TS]

  and it'll be fine there's no reason they [TS]

  need to have an October event to reveal [TS]

  the iMac Pro so I'm happy they not [TS]

  everyone will be buying it apparently [TS]

  but I'm with you in principle I think to [TS]

  answer your question mark I think what [TS]

  about user replaceable stuff like having [TS]

  real RAM that yeah Rhys are replaceable [TS]

  I think to me in addition to what you [TS]

  were saying especially about cooling I [TS]

  think the advantage would be user [TS]

  replaceable Ram user replaceable of [TS]

  storage and user replaceable perhaps [TS]

  graphics card or something like that I [TS]

  think that's where a true Mac Pro would [TS]

  shine and then for people who don't buy [TS]

  computers and keep them for a decade [TS]

  then you can get the iMac Pro but if you [TS]

  like to have computers that are as old [TS]

  as children then you can get a Mac Pro [TS]

  yeah that seems reasonable all right so [TS]

  what else what else in the hard way that [TS]

  was it for the hardware at this point [TS]

  right and we dumped weed we jumped right [TS]

  into iOS 11 yeah right into messages [TS]

  yeah because whoo yeah another I I did [TS]

  lose the bet that message apps wouldn't [TS]

  be mentioned at all but not by much [TS]

  message apps were slightly mentioned and [TS]

  I'm sure there were some minor [TS]

  improvements to them but for the most [TS]

  part I think it's kind of like on this [TS]

  scale of watch OS and TV OS hold more [TS]

  than TV I mean everything's more than TV [TS]

  but kind of on the same scale watch it [TS]

  was of like minor improvements here and [TS]

  there but we didn't like for for this [TS]

  brand new app store and an app type that [TS]

  launched only a year ago we heard fairly [TS]

  little about it and I think that's a [TS]

  little bit concerning for people who [TS]

  were making iMessage apps or who thought [TS]

  that I was going to be they did their a [TS]

  dogfooding it added Apple pay as an [TS]

  iMessage app but but I think this is [TS]

  what's the most important and messages [TS]

  released ever because it's finally going [TS]

  to work in theory the way that everyone [TS]

  think that message app should work which [TS]

  is if you send a bunch of messages on [TS]

  one device and then you go to another [TS]

  device the conversation you just had on [TS]

  the other device is there that with the [TS]

  iCloud sinking of the message I don't [TS]

  know how they're doing that preserving [TS]

  the privacy because the old answer was [TS]

  like oh we can't do that because it send [TS]

  encrypted and we can't send those [TS]

  messages elsewhere but I just want and I [TS]

  hope they're like actually chronological [TS]

  and not whatever order they're in now so [TS]

  if they do that successfully [TS]

  of a time ordered series of back and [TS]

  forth sub text messages between people [TS]

  that is the same on all my devices this [TS]

  will be the most important messages up [TS]

  to never you know it's funny because I [TS]

  am not being I am NOT trying to joke [TS]

  right now but when they were talking [TS]

  about how everything syncs across [TS]

  devices I was genuinely confused because [TS]

  that's kind of that's pretty much the [TS]

  behavior I see with our messages unica i [TS]

  was just about to say it stole my joke [TS]

  that i am a guide must be an iMessage [TS]

  unicorn because almost always i mean [TS]

  there are definitely hiccups from time [TS]

  to time but almost always that is what [TS]

  happens today and i was really surprised [TS]

  to see yeah I just had it when I got off [TS]

  the plane I sent a text message to [TS]

  somebody and then their text messages [TS]

  for when I was flying came in below the [TS]

  message I just sent because even though [TS]

  they were like four hours old I want [TS]

  that to go away I want it to just work [TS]

  normally there's probably also a good [TS]

  security white paper to read about how [TS]

  the heck they did this while also [TS]

  maintaining all their end-to-end [TS]

  encryption stuff oh yeah I don't know it [TS]

  seems like I would be willing to [TS]

  sacrifice the encryption just to get the [TS]

  messages inside because it's so [TS]

  frustrating to not see your [TS]

  conversations to be the same in both [TS]

  places you know another thing that was [TS]

  that was a little weird I have a [TS]

  complaint for the Apple AV people that I [TS]

  would like to air in front of everyone [TS]

  if you're in the back of the room or [TS]

  toward the back of the room the screen [TS]

  that that the presenters are presenting [TS]

  in front of it goes all the way to the [TS]

  floor of the stage like this logo behind [TS]

  it yeah the kind of like the logo - [TS]

  right so it goes to the floor of the [TS]

  stage which means anything that's [TS]

  happening on the bottom like quarter of [TS]

  the screen unless you're in the first 10 [TS]

  or 15 rows you have no frickin clue what [TS]

  is I got like the prices like they with [TS]

  the prices and stuff in the Box all you [TS]

  can see is the back of people's heads [TS]

  and then everyone's craning their necks [TS]

  it wasn't a great setup but though [TS]

  they'll fix that next year well this is [TS]

  why it's always been and I maybe we just [TS]

  made a poor choice a little bit higher [TS]

  in mosque on in Presidio the screen is a [TS]

  little bit higher they're like hanging [TS]

  her from the ceiling in Presidio there [TS]

  was never a problem well no they're out [TS]

  of the front screen the front front of [TS]

  the room oh yeah I forget it [TS]

  alright so iOS 11 it had messages [TS]

  improvements I am really stoked about [TS]

  the peer-to-peer Apple pay I don't know [TS]

  how much that's going to blow up but [TS]

  like a lot of my family and friends use [TS]

  iPhones and so for that it'll be super [TS]

  simple I'm curious to see what the [TS]

  extract [TS]

  from Apple pay kind of workflow is you [TS]

  know how clunky is it to get it into [TS]

  your bank do you have to just associate [TS]

  a debit card and then that's just magic [TS]

  and I think that'll be fine [TS]

  yeah by me I'm just curious to see [TS]

  they're competing what they're competing [TS]

  with like Dwolla and square and other [TS]

  companies that have a similar experience [TS]

  so that I don't think they're gonna be [TS]

  worse but it is kind of fragmented the [TS]

  payment equals system now because I'm a [TS]

  guess I've already was fragment if you [TS]

  try to send somebody money you have to [TS]

  go through this little dance first you [TS]

  have square two used wall you're willing [TS]

  to sign it but account for any of these [TS]

  now it's gonna like the Levin though you [TS]

  know yeah do you have Apple pay work it [TS]

  out I mean if you go to this conference [TS]

  next year everyone will be giving each [TS]

  other money for meals on Apple pay so [TS]

  that'll work out fine it'll be pretty [TS]

  nice so series still a thing it is more [TS]

  and more things over time there's new [TS]

  voices which are good translation which [TS]

  does look super cool but what I'm a [TS]

  little concerned with is so I can say in [TS]

  some arbitrary other language you know [TS]

  hey where is the bathroom [TS]

  but what happens when they reply like do [TS]

  I wait wait wait hold on there after [TS]

  that on the App Store right that'll take [TS]

  their text to take their speech and [TS]

  translate it for I guess probably they [TS]

  parted me by Google but like white like [TS]

  yeah that's a good point when I saw the [TS]

  feature oh my god that'll be great for [TS]

  travel I didn't even think about what I [TS]

  do with the response problem like it's [TS]

  I'm not sure I hand on the phone and [TS]

  have them hold the button down right and [TS]

  record their response and then I mean [TS]

  I'm not trying to rain on the parade I'm [TS]

  really not like it's an amazing feature [TS]

  and I'm sure it's gonna be super cool [TS]

  but if it's only one-way communication [TS]

  it only takes you but so far it only [TS]

  takes you one way and that's well we are [TS]

  Americans traveling to places that don't [TS]

  speak English so it is kind of our style [TS]

  to just yell at people not accept not [TS]

  have any kind of transport that is a [TS]

  fair point but there's there's not I [TS]

  don't recall that seeing very much [TS]

  sirikit for you dude was right you were [TS]

  that's really for people to pause on [TS]

  that slide that had all the new and yes [TS]

  on the red did you ever get that info [TS]

  yeah I did there's nothing but there's I [TS]

  mean and this was this is actually a big [TS]

  disappointment for me that that there [TS]

  was no like Siri KITT expansion into [TS]

  audio type services so that I could use [TS]

  her for overcast and people can either [TS]

  for things like Spotify and everything [TS]

  and I think you know last year when when [TS]

  this was not present the theory we came [TS]

  up with was well it's probably because [TS]

  they just didn't get to it but it might [TS]

  to protect and enhance Apple music [TS]

  because that's giving up music a big [TS]

  advantage in in Syria and have an [TS]

  integration that will drive [TS]

  subscriptions to Apple music over the [TS]

  competitors so this year what as another [TS]

  year goes by and it's not there [TS]

  I still think those are the two [TS]

  explanations but just like the rate like [TS]

  the probability shifted a little bit [TS]

  where like they might have still just [TS]

  not gotten to it the thing is they added [TS]

  the list was not very long so maybe they [TS]

  just didn't get to it yet because it is [TS]

  a big job you do to have some kind of [TS]

  way to like you know index the content [TS]

  of the audio service so that they know [TS]

  even what - how to parse things to know [TS]

  what people are talking about so I have [TS]

  to have some kind of you know indexing [TS]

  extension for them to index all the [TS]

  shows and overcast for like in the whole [TS]

  online service and things like that so [TS]

  that is a lot for them to build there's [TS]

  parts of it there already but that's a [TS]

  lot that's a lot to build so maybe they [TS]

  just didn't get to it but they are also [TS]

  are still a really you know Apple music [TS]

  is still in a pretty good place now [TS]

  because it has Siri integration and [TS]

  nothing else does and as they go into [TS]

  things like the home pod it's going to [TS]

  have you know similar effect of like [TS]

  well if you want to use extreme music [TS]

  with this new speaker that you want to [TS]

  buy from Apple you can only use app [TS]

  music with it basically so that is I [TS]

  think again they might have just not [TS]

  gotten to it yet but it as more time [TS]

  goes on that they don't add this fairly [TS]

  obvious feature that a lot of people [TS]

  want I think the answer is going to be [TS]

  much more likely to just be yeah they [TS]

  just want to have that app music only [TS]

  butBut what intense did they add like [TS]

  they might just be doing in priority [TS]

  order obviously your priority is audio [TS]

  but maybe they're doing like the most [TS]

  they think like the most common ones the [TS]

  ones that have the most apps the most [TS]

  users and they're working their way down [TS]

  the list getting to audio eventually [TS]

  right and that's again it's like that's [TS]

  it depends on how long they go before [TS]

  they before it happens like how you how [TS]

  you evaluate this they didn't honestly [TS]

  they didn't add as much as I thought [TS]

  they would this year I thought there [TS]

  would be a large expansion of Sirikit [TS]

  intents and there really wasn't there [TS]

  were like three or four of them and they [TS]

  were you know fairly basic type things [TS]

  so my whole prediction of this being [TS]

  like an all Syria heavy keynote was [TS]

  mostly wrong because they really it [TS]

  really was not as much about Ceres I [TS]

  expected you're right about one thing [TS]

  though like I was totally expecting them [TS]

  especially with the home pod business I [TS]

  was expecting them to say Siri is [TS]

  massively improved like we have made [TS]

  Siri so much better it's smarter and [TS]

  like just call it Siri - or we're like [TS]

  really promoting the idea that Siri it [TS]

  doesn't do things that are silly is it [TS]

  currently does but they didn't and your [TS]

  thigh remember like last week you were [TS]

  like I don't think they're good you know [TS]

  it's gonna be the same old Siri and [TS]

  aside from new capabilities like [TS]

  obviously a whole new vocabulary we're [TS]

  talking about music to work with the [TS]

  Apple music thing right boys right but [TS]

  what about all the other things that we [TS]

  currently ask like before the show [TS]

  people were sharing screenshots of them [TS]

  asking when it when is the the keynote [TS]

  when is the Apple event so on and so [TS]

  forth and I think someone said I was in [TS]

  Italy patel said when is the the the [TS]

  Apple Keynote and it said you know June [TS]

  5th or whatever like what time does it [TS]

  start and said you and fifth and other [TS]

  people said oh you just got to ask it [TS]

  the right way [TS]

  when is the Apple event and it gave all [TS]

  the info down to the time right and then [TS]

  people followed up that with the exact [TS]

  same text asking the Siri the same [TS]

  question Siri going I don't know right [TS]

  and so nothing in here that says we have [TS]

  massively improved Siri they have [TS]

  expanded Siri to be able to do more [TS]

  things by extending its vocabulary [TS]

  adding a few intents and putting it at [TS]

  home pod but it seems like it's the same [TS]

  old Siri they seem to be happy with [TS]

  series understanding of things and I [TS]

  really I really think they need to I [TS]

  mean obviously you can do the marketing [TS]

  push without the tech but I hope they [TS]

  need to improve the tech I would love to [TS]

  have a conversation with Siri I would [TS]

  love to go back and forth to be able to [TS]

  correct Syria to have it learn to have [TS]

  it just just darn be smarter yeah and [TS]

  also to be more reliable to end to be [TS]

  more consistent that's the one thing [TS]

  where you know we'll get to do with home [TS]

  pod later but like they that like that's [TS]

  what area where Siri has always been a [TS]

  little behind competitor just [TS]

  reliability and consistency in the [TS]

  responses and and you know I think [TS]

  getting it right every time that's why [TS]

  people have to supposed to screenshots [TS]

  because as soon as someone has a [TS]

  comeback like oh I asked it and got the [TS]

  thing right someone does immediately [TS]

  file I asked the exact same question and [TS]

  how and we're sitting next to each other [TS]

  in a room it's not like we're in [TS]

  different countries like what very [TS]

  frustrating so make it makes you want to [TS]

  use it less we'll get to that with the [TS]

  home pod stuff we talk about that but we [TS]

  talked about with the cylinders if it [TS]

  doesn't do what you want you stop asking [TS]

  it that question because it's not worth [TS]

  your time and potential [TS]

  self-consciousness to talk to your [TS]

  device and have it come back to you in a [TS]

  way that is not satisfactory to say oh [TS]

  I'm not going through that again so this [TS]

  year was the year of iPads and it was [TS]

  the year of codex because not only is [TS]

  there a TVC like [TS]

  about earlier which is going to be used [TS]

  for iPhone caption videos but hey is [TS]

  what they call you that's what it was [TS]

  now that that's replacing JPEG [TS]

  apparently which aiming of itself like [TS]

  that sounds good especially if you know [TS]

  it's better in every measurable way but [TS]

  it needs to be adopted everywhere like [TS]

  JPEG is and I presume over time it will [TS]

  and they made mention the State of the [TS]

  Union that it's like an ISO standard or [TS]

  something like that it's not it's not [TS]

  the Apple proprietary thing is people [TS]

  worrying it's not something they [TS]

  invented and and I think they had a good [TS]

  story about compatibility like that yeah [TS]

  we're using this internally it takes up [TS]

  the big selling point which they [TS]

  emphasize a little bit is your phone [TS]

  won't fill with videos and photos as [TS]

  fast because they'll be smaller and also [TS]

  by the way they'll be like nicer quality [TS]

  and at the same time they're smaller so [TS]

  that's a great product story because [TS]

  that's a common problem people have or [TS]

  filling their phone up with stuff but [TS]

  then the story is okay well how do I [TS]

  share them and they're they're going to [TS]

  be super conservative [TS]

  if you send your Keefe thing anywhere [TS]

  else if you email it to somebody if you [TS]

  try to import it to another app if you [TS]

  send it in messages anything like that [TS]

  then it converts on the fly the JPEG at [TS]

  that point and you don't get the big win [TS]

  unless everybody switches to Eve but I [TS]

  don't know if they will but even if it's [TS]

  just on device just if he never leaves [TS]

  your device it's just on device and [TS]

  maybe synching with photos that is still [TS]

  a big win for the product please no one [TS]

  else is doing that their phones are [TS]

  going to fill up with photos faster than [TS]

  apples of the same size [TS]

  additionally depth API for those of you [TS]

  who use the preposterous Li oversized [TS]

  ridiculous phone that you shouldn't use [TS]

  so that's kind of exciting it's going to [TS]

  come to our phone this fall yeah but [TS]

  that's kind of cool I'm curious to see [TS]

  all snark aside I think that is one of [TS]

  the more interesting ap is that they've [TS]

  made mention of so far because I think [TS]

  there could be some really cool and [TS]

  clever stuff done with that I don't know [TS]

  exactly what that would be otherwise I [TS]

  would probably be back in writing it [TS]

  right now because that's clearly the way [TS]

  to a billion dollars but but don't I'm [TS]

  really anxious to see you it's happening [TS]

  with depth [TS]

  now with depth but I'm really curious to [TS]

  see kind of where that goes and what [TS]

  what what all of you folks do with it [TS]

  because I think it could be really [TS]

  powerful and really interesting control [TS]

  center is better now it's one page [TS]

  which is so exciting because I cannot [TS]

  tell you we can cheer for that that's [TS]

  cool I cheered for that I cannot tell [TS]

  you the amount of times I will swipe up [TS]

  and then swipe left or right immediately [TS]

  because I feel like anytime I open [TS]

  control center [TS]

  I am inevitably on the wrong page it is [TS]

  like a bool that that's the way it works [TS]

  so that's really cool the biggest [TS]

  problem with control center I would [TS]

  imagine that Apple Apple notice and we [TS]

  don't how many people don't even know [TS]

  there's another screen in control so [TS]

  yeah like and especially if that [TS]

  person's phone somehow gets switched to [TS]

  the other screen and they're like I [TS]

  can't my volume control is gone where [TS]

  did it go like they don't see the little [TS]

  dots I bet that's one of the big reasons [TS]

  why they changed it it's not [TS]

  discoverable and yes what for the people [TS]

  who do know is it's frustrating but [TS]

  having it all in one especially this it [TS]

  doesn't take up your whole screen like [TS]

  they have the room to make it bigger and [TS]

  from what I saw it like you can [TS]

  customize control center and sort of [TS]

  decide what you want on your one screen [TS]

  I'm not sure how much it scales like can [TS]

  you put like all the widgets and your [TS]

  control center fills up the whole screen [TS]

  but anyway that's definitely an [TS]

  improvement yeah underscore David Smith [TS]

  I don't know if he's here somewhere but [TS]

  he put he put the iOS 11 beta on to an [TS]

  iPhone 6 and I got to play with it very [TS]

  briefly and I was mostly playing with [TS]

  control center and it worked really well [TS]

  and they did a really good job of kind [TS]

  of the faux 3d touch or forced touch [TS]

  whatever it's called I forget what it's [TS]

  called this minute but anyway so if you [TS]

  if you tap on like the the panel that [TS]

  has Wi-Fi and Bluetooth and stuff like [TS]

  that if you deep press on that on a more [TS]

  modern iPhone it will immediately snap [TS]

  to you know the expanded blown-up view [TS]

  where it has text in it you there's a [TS]

  few other controls and on an iPhone 6 or [TS]

  you know one of the one of these ones [TS]

  without forced touch then what it will [TS]

  end up doing is if you just tap and hold [TS]

  on that pain I think had a name for it [TS]

  didn't they I forget what they were [TS]

  calling it but anyway if you tap and [TS]

  hold on that it just for a moment it'll [TS]

  blow it up as though you had deep [TS]

  touched it which I thought was really [TS]

  well executed it looks visually it looks [TS]

  good ish like I feel like it's a little [TS]

  haphazard but by and large I'm okay with [TS]

  the design but I am super amped to use [TS]

  it because I think it is way more [TS]

  functional than what we've got and I use [TS]

  control center constantly so I'm really [TS]

  excited it's it's function over form [TS]

  finally because it like the old controls [TS]

  looked more [TS]

  it's like a thin line with a tiny little [TS]

  thing on and even though that the touch [TS]

  area for the tiny little bulb unlike [TS]

  your volume control or like or [TS]

  brightness slider or whatever the hit [TS]

  area that was probably bigger looks [TS]

  small and delicate to look better in [TS]

  screenshots this looks kind of dorky and [TS]

  screenshots but this is the giant bars [TS]

  that you fill right that's that's like [TS]

  the size of your finger it is it's like [TS]

  the Ox oh good grips of control control [TS]

  we don't care how it looks it's like it [TS]

  is a big chunky thing put your thumb in [TS]

  here when you slide it it'll be clear [TS]

  how much white is filling the bar and [TS]

  you can even zoom it to a bigger mode to [TS]

  make the fill your entire screen so I've [TS]

  this you know it doesn't look as nice [TS]

  and screenshots maybe Johnny I was on [TS]

  vacation or a stupid design door handles [TS]

  but it you know you know you options [TS]

  better you are always on vacation in [TS]

  California am i right everyone I mean [TS]

  that's kind of how he lives in England [TS]

  that right I don't know [TS]

  oh thanks all right what was now you [TS]

  have in the audience anyway just a all [TS]

  right that's that sounds likely fight me [TS]

  all right Oh a lock Center and [TS]

  Notification Center are now merged and I [TS]

  don't know what to think about this I [TS]

  did not get a chance to play with that [TS]

  on underscores phone it the way they [TS]

  demoed it it looked pretty good to me [TS]

  but I'm gonna be perturbed if I swipe [TS]

  down to see past notifications and then [TS]

  swipe up to go back to what I was doing [TS]

  and then immediately have to like [TS]

  reauthorize myself and use touch ID [TS]

  again I don't think that's how it works [TS]

  that's the thing I'm not sure showing [TS]

  you the lock screen but you haven't real [TS]

  acht your phone on Maya the promise and [TS]

  fess that I am very bad at dealing with [TS]

  notifications I don't understand where [TS]

  notifications go see them and then go do [TS]

  I say where and and I will like dismiss [TS]

  them or read them and I want to see that [TS]

  notification again I'm hoping what this [TS]

  does is make it so notifications are in [TS]

  a single place and they stay there [TS]

  forever and I can just scroll Scroll [TS]

  scroll and go back through them at any [TS]

  time I'm not sure if that's true but [TS]

  that would be a usability improvement [TS]

  for me because having notifications of [TS]

  multiple places and having them sort of [TS]

  I don't know Auto dismiss themselves or [TS]

  they go off into the cornfield I don't [TS]

  know where I don't know where they go [TS]

  but I can't I can't find them again and [TS]

  it's frustrating yeah I mean it seems [TS]

  like every for the last few iOS releases [TS]

  they've messed with the lockscreen vs. [TS]

  Notification Center because you know [TS]

  ever since touch ID got super fast it [TS]

  got kind of weird and then they tried [TS]

  messing it with another way last year [TS]

  and now this [TS]

  messing with a different way they're [TS]

  just trying to solve the problem of how [TS]

  do you make these things continue to be [TS]

  sensible with hardware advances and new [TS]

  UI trends and as people as these things [TS]

  get more advanced and everything so I [TS]

  think you know this is like the annual [TS]

  messing with the lockscreen type thing [TS]

  and well whatever it is it's probably [TS]

  fine and we're all going to get used to [TS]

  it in like a day there's gonna be a lot [TS]

  of complaining but everyone get used to [TS]

  it so through the magic of iCloud I've [TS]

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  it's laser-cut on a rigid backing and so [TS]

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  so it's not gonna like rip a nail out of [TS]

  your wall or anything like that it's [TS]

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  looks great by itself that's all it is a [TS]

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  people love these things when they see [TS]

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  very much to fracture for sponsoring our [TS]

  show maybe you can bite people into your [TS]

  house and have them stare at you while [TS]

  you do the ad reads the show normally [TS]

  because you just nailed three in a row [TS]

  no three in a row well done sir well [TS]

  done that that does not happen that [TS]

  often so that's super exciting all right [TS]

  we got it we got to pick up the pace [TS]

  because we got a lot more to talk about [TS]

  someone to try to speed run through some [TS]

  stuff live photos has motion smoothing [TS]

  things looping they didn't I don't [TS]

  believe have the like what is that [TS]

  Google app that was super cool he is [TS]

  super cool that will take your motion [TS]

  photo that's kind of bullying it around [TS]

  and kind of lock it I think they [TS]

  actually did that do that yeah does a [TS]

  few different features it does that it [TS]

  does like the the cinemagraph kind of [TS]

  thing where you have like a motion thing [TS]

  that kind of freezes the background and [TS]

  they also had the long exposure thing [TS]

  which kind of looks like that Ben is [TS]

  still version there were a few different [TS]

  improvement though [TS]

  improvement though [TS]

  pretty cool so here's my question about [TS]

  live photos which I don't have an answer [TS]

  to it because it's day one of WotC I [TS]

  think that they're using heap for live [TS]

  photo live photos and that every single [TS]

  frame of it is in HD h.265 compressed [TS]

  thing like that's why you can pick a [TS]

  keyframe you know now we have like a [TS]

  high-res JPEG and then there's really [TS]

  low quality like you know MPEG animation [TS]

  for the live picture animation you would [TS]

  never want to say oh I want to replace [TS]

  my still image with a frame from the [TS]

  crappy low res video in a live picture [TS]

  seems to me that in the new thing that [TS]

  it takes a series of 17 you know or 20 [TS]

  pictures or whatever how long it is and [TS]

  every single one of them is exactly as [TS]

  if you take in a photo from from your [TS]

  camera and that's why you can choose [TS]

  which frame you want it could be they're [TS]

  just letting you choose a keyframe and [TS]

  if you choose that one your thing looks [TS]

  all blurry and gross but I really hope [TS]

  that live photos are now chief [TS]

  containers and every single frame of [TS]

  them is max quality because that would [TS]

  be awesome that would be really nice I [TS]

  mean and that might depend on new [TS]

  hardware to be able to like dump image [TS]

  data off the sensor at that speed at [TS]

  that resolution yeah reliably but if [TS]

  they can do any part of that you know if [TS]

  they can just increase the frame rate or [TS]

  increase the resolution of the video [TS]

  segment on older hardware on current [TS]

  phones or older phones that would be an [TS]

  awesome improvement and they do have [TS]

  they're gonna have hardware support for [TS]

  h.265 on existing phones so they could [TS]

  do the old way which is we'll take one [TS]

  really good JPEG or Heath image at super [TS]

  high res and then taking h.265 video at [TS]

  higher revs because now we can do that [TS]

  just to make you know to make live [TS]

  photos nicer because very often live [TS]

  photos are really cute but the live [TS]

  photo 'part like the animated part is so [TS]

  much lower res and lower quality than [TS]

  the still image it's kind of [TS]

  disappointing yeah so my speed run is [TS]

  going excellently Siri giving you it [TS]

  always does it always does [TS]

  Siri giving is giving you things this is [TS]

  the air-quote series giving you things [TS]

  from other apps and other in other [TS]

  places they use the example of someplace [TS]

  in Iceland that I'm not going to try to [TS]

  pronounce so quote-unquote Siri will see [TS]

  you interacting with like a webpage [TS]

  about Iceland and then when you try to [TS]

  type that same name and an iMessage will [TS]

  Auto suggest it looked cool some machine [TS]

  learning stuff well I also little rat [TS]

  you out to Apple news cuz you're go to [TS]

  Apple knows who'd be like do you want [TS]

  some stories about Iceland's like how do [TS]

  you know I'm interested in Iceland Apple [TS]

  news that was a little creepy I [TS]

  little googly a little aggressive little [TS]

  aggressive all right some Maps has [TS]

  internal maps of malls which aren't [TS]

  going to exist in two years and it also [TS]

  has opening retail stores so they'll be [TS]

  oh yeah yeah it's enough good Apple [TS]

  stores and then internal or Airport maps [TS]

  of the inside of the airport terminal [TS]

  maps that's super fun eyes not my [TS]

  Airport of course not your so of course [TS]

  I do not disturb while driving [TS]

  two thumbs up I think that's yeah well [TS]

  they're gonna be on my default cuz I [TS]

  don't get is yes I mean this is what [TS]

  imagine like that I mean that's yeah [TS]

  genuinely good right so everyone who's [TS]

  applauding it you can alternate on on [TS]

  your phones and like have everyone who [TS]

  texts you get that rude message back [TS]

  that says I'm driving now again you can [TS]

  all send you like oh I I think this is [TS]

  but again it this is kind of like the [TS]

  Apple watch like annoyance of [TS]

  notifications thing like this is the [TS]

  kind of thing that's an awesome thing to [TS]

  do it's I assumes gonna be on by default [TS]

  which is even more awesome the my only [TS]

  hesitation of judging it is like will [TS]

  people leave it on in enough volume to [TS]

  matter and I think we all should you [TS]

  know let's get started with our audience [TS]

  that's a lot of people right there let's [TS]

  get started and let's leave it on okay [TS]

  then like my mom tries to text you and [TS]

  gets this rude message back and thinks [TS]

  you wrote it because there's no [TS]

  indication in the UI that you are [TS]

  literally not typing that and you can [TS]

  say well if you're driving how did you [TS]

  have time to write me this grammatically [TS]

  correct correctly punctuated sentence [TS]

  they should know it's not you because [TS]

  everything is spelled right at it I know [TS]

  you were at a stoplight I was gonna say [TS]

  like is your mom really like that but I [TS]

  thought well actually I don't know your [TS]

  mom but she produced you and so haha [TS]

  there's a chance she sent me a grammar [TS]

  correction for a recess no way you don't [TS]

  say so yeah so we're all going to we're [TS]

  all friends here and we're all going to [TS]

  agree to leave do not disturb while [TS]

  driving on I also thought it it's [TS]

  visually a little bit kind of cheesy and [TS]

  ham-fisted but the thing where you can [TS]

  say you can reply and I guess if you [TS]

  have an urgent message you it'll say hey [TS]

  if you R if this is really urgent reply [TS]

  with the word urgent and the phone will [TS]

  let that bubble through it was let your [TS]

  friends immediately type urgent to tell [TS]

  you I call this new Pokemon it's totally [TS]

  urgent like who's what is urgent really [TS]

  I'm going to tell them how [TS]

  I pass it and then you're gonna look at [TS]

  your phone and see that they caught a [TS]

  new Magikarp and you're gonna crash do I [TS]

  tell them well hopefully your friends [TS]

  are nice enough to know to know that [TS]

  they're taking their your life into [TS]

  their hand your friends sound like jerks [TS]

  right wait that's us [TS]

  Oh God this took a dark turn okay so uh [TS]

  homekit speakers airplay to is a thing [TS]

  kind of kind of telegraphing the end of [TS]

  the keynote there all right well yeah [TS]

  but yeah they have homekit now support [TS]

  so speaker type homekit was not renamed [TS]

  assyria I lost that bet as well I mean I [TS]

  lost all my predictions but yeah they [TS]

  have multi-room audio that's presumably [TS]

  synched up and everything like so knows [TS]

  not the first time they took a dig at [TS]

  Sonos during this keno hook but not not [TS]

  surprising and I mean they actually had [TS]

  multi-room audio with the iTunes share [TS]

  thing forever ago and so yeah that's [TS]

  know pretty nice I'm looking forward to [TS]

  there being the API for that for [TS]

  third-party devs to presumably control [TS]

  that's actually like the only thing on [TS]

  the overcast like to-do list so far [TS]

  things that you'd integrate this summer [TS]

  I was just as they go out of business [TS]

  good job Marco yeah did they have a [TS]

  slide or somebody tweeted something and [TS]

  said they had a list of all the devices [TS]

  that support airplay to write all the [TS]

  manufacturers that are support airplay [TS]

  to so you can use this new better [TS]

  protocol to talk to them and Sonos was [TS]

  not on that list [TS]

  the dozens Ford airplay one either so it [TS]

  to do its onus on an airplane you [TS]

  basically have to like have an airport [TS]

  Express [TS]

  that you have run into the aux jack of a [TS]

  quite pricey so nose bridge product that [TS]

  has an aux input and then the main [TS]

  problem with that is that then airplay [TS]

  has a two-second lag Soto's adds its own [TS]

  lag also for like another second or so [TS]

  so anything it's like moving through [TS]

  maple syrup you like hit pause and then [TS]

  three seconds later it pauses it's not a [TS]

  great experience it's not a sweet [TS]

  solution is it so the ghost of ping is [TS]

  back as that's excited that the cousin [TS]

  of connects is the cat because we didn't [TS]

  we said connect they all connect does [TS]

  not like ping it's I don't I can't keep [TS]

  track of their social yeah connect is [TS]

  like commit or artists and YouTube for [TS]

  artists but neither but both Twitter and [TS]

  YouTube are way more popular than it was [TS]

  and is it is connect still there or do [TS]

  they replace it with whatever this new [TS]

  thing so here's the thing is it will [TS]

  show you what your friends are listening [TS]

  your friends will assume this your [TS]

  friends listing that where is it getting [TS]

  your friends from does Apple have a [TS]

  social graph I mean they have they comp [TS]

  your contacts but I mean that's what I'm [TS]

  saying it is another attempt for Apple [TS]

  to say please create a new social graph [TS]

  on the social network that we Apple are [TS]

  created and it will totally be here six [TS]

  months from now and the people don't [TS]

  want to make a new social grandma it [TS]

  could get them from Twitter it can't [TS]

  really get them from contacts you have [TS]

  family which is used for a lot of things [TS]

  but that's not you don't want to see [TS]

  what your family is listening to so and [TS]

  no one wants to see what I'm listening [TS]

  to [TS]

  no that's that's a sense what what does [TS]

  Marco's news it just fish nothing but [TS]

  fish all day long hard-coded string [TS]

  constant yeah seriously a really good B [TS]

  music hits who developers will have [TS]

  access to Apple music and I Club library [TS]

  which is really cool pretty cool uh I [TS]

  maybe I missed something [TS]

  but phil was really amped about the new [TS]

  app store and I'm really not like I [TS]

  don't yeah we just we just care if the [TS]

  search works and he didn't demo that so [TS]

  we don't know like I guess if you're an [TS]

  app developer it's cool if you get [TS]

  featured right and you have this big [TS]

  thing and your pages look nicer and [TS]

  they'll be there'll be sessions during [TS]

  the week to say here's how you can [TS]

  support more stuff like one of them had [TS]

  like a little award like this little [TS]

  film what do you call it film festival [TS]

  thing with the little ivy leaves or [TS]

  whatever they're supposed to be rather [TS]

  you could say this is it someone in the [TS]

  audience said it but didn't hear it [TS]

  laurels there you thank you there [TS]

  probably is an API to put up the awards [TS]

  or some sort of thing that your app won [TS]

  at the top of your page like wait I [TS]

  create my own awards and put them there [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  alright this that's going to quickly [TS]

  become useless if that's what it is and [TS]

  also by the way that you know they [TS]

  safari blocks Auto playing video but as [TS]

  you scroll through the new App Store app [TS]

  playing video and I'm pretty sure [TS]

  safaris not blocking that one anyway I [TS]

  think it'll be fine you know what was it [TS]

  your prediction was that it would [TS]

  revised the Mac App Store which is a [TS]

  quite a laugh about that alas that was a [TS]

  longshot I said so maybe they did I mean [TS]

  they didn't show a lot of Mac OS High [TS]

  Sierra might have a totally redo they [TS]

  showed me do it hi Sierra I can't [TS]

  believe it's called that did they show [TS]

  it's so bad it's like they had not I'm [TS]

  not used to it yet I don't know if I [TS]

  ever will be that's right really I'm [TS]

  glad they revised the App Store app it's [TS]

  fine it looks it looks better than old [TS]

  one and maybe the search will be better [TS]

  this is the kind of it's like we're not [TS]

  really gonna know how it affects [TS]

  developers until it's out there because [TS]

  it's going to change everything we know [TS]

  that it's going to change things like [TS]

  click-through rates and how effective [TS]

  search is or isn't for us it's going to [TS]

  change purchase rates it's going to [TS]

  change a lot because the entire UI is [TS]

  different the information density is way [TS]

  lower there's way fewer apps on screen [TS]

  at once that's going to be a big effect [TS]

  in some direction the value of being [TS]

  featured is probably going to be way [TS]

  higher because those are fewer at a time [TS]

  and they're it's like a more [TS]

  in-your-face feature I do really like [TS]

  that they separated out games and ads [TS]

  that's that's really nice for both [TS]

  people you know both types of ad makers [TS]

  there because if you're looking for one [TS]

  you're probably not looking for the [TS]

  other at the same time so that should [TS]

  help people browsing both places to have [TS]

  separate charts separate features and [TS]

  not have to worry about like you know [TS]

  seeing the kind of thing you're not [TS]

  looking forward them yeah there were a [TS]

  bunch of other things that that were on [TS]

  this the yo the screen of words where [TS]

  some are white and some are grey the [TS]

  work that yeah the word cloud and like [TS]

  schedule a call that's in trap actually [TS]

  knew like recently moving on from the [TS]

  app store ready because there's one [TS]

  other major features of the new app [TS]

  store app that I mean correct me if I'm [TS]

  wrong but this is new in app purchases [TS]

  are viewable on the App Store is [TS]

  separately purchasable things like [TS]

  they're in app purchases that are not in [TS]

  app this seems like a big deal because [TS]

  the so the theory goes that in that [TS]

  purchases represent a lot of money and [TS]

  you can only see them if you're in the [TS]

  app and [TS]

  if you have resume if you have an app [TS]

  and the app offers an in-app purchase [TS]

  you will see that as a separately [TS]

  purchasable item in the app store that [TS]

  seems like you know a big way to get [TS]

  more money for an app purchases to [TS]

  remind people if they go there oh by the [TS]

  way that app that you haven't launched [TS]

  has an in-app purchase and it might [TS]

  bring you back into the app and make you [TS]

  buy something that seems like a big deal [TS]

  to me yeah so speedruns still going well [TS]

  so speaking of core ml it's a thing [TS]

  sounds cool [TS]

  hey our kid it's a thing sounds quick no [TS]

  no I'm not gonna do that fast come on [TS]

  I'm trying guys I'm trying I mean like [TS]

  this is this is all like this is one of [TS]

  those like we can't wait to see what you [TS]

  do the kind of things where that [TS]

  actually makes sense like most people [TS]

  can't off the top of their head name a [TS]

  cool app that doesn't yet exist that [TS]

  this name makes possible but there are a [TS]

  lot of them and it's the kind of thing [TS]

  we're like you're gonna have some idea [TS]

  or you're gonna hear some idea person's [TS]

  awful idea and you're gonna say oh yeah [TS]

  but that would take like a hundred [TS]

  people staff and two hundred million [TS]

  dollars and it isn't even possible the [TS]

  API wait it is now possible in the API [TS]

  now you gives me the two hundred million [TS]

  dollars in the big staff it'll all work [TS]

  out great oh they had pokey Mongo is a [TS]

  perfect example which was already doing [TS]

  a are a bad job of it you know but not [TS]

  that it's a core part of the game but [TS]

  they would try to make your Pokemon look [TS]

  like he's on the side of aw he's [TS]

  bouncing all over the place now hope you [TS]

  firmly planted on the sidewalk I'm sure [TS]

  they will seriously Pokemon go [TS]

  experience hooray everyone still playing [TS]

  that right yeah totally I also thought [TS]

  the demo was really cool very Firefly [TS]

  asked which of course spoke to me that [TS]

  was pretty exciting but it does look [TS]

  cool but I think we should probably skip [TS]

  forward to the iPad I guess and there is [TS]

  there's a new iPad so moving on I'm just [TS]

  kidding but now there's a new iPad [TS]

  interestingly so the IP the new 10-inch [TS]

  iPad does look really cool and the iPad [TS]

  features of iOS 11 did really appeal to [TS]

  me in this dress some of the dragon [TS]

  drops awful bit which we'll get to in a [TS]

  second looks phenomenal [TS]

  the one thing about the iPad the 10 inch [TS]

  iPad though is that we had all kind of [TS]

  concluded and it was damn Provos that [TS]

  put this together I believe a few months [TS]

  ago that what they would end up doing is [TS]

  making an iPad that was the same [TS]

  resolution if I remember right I might [TS]

  be butchering the details here the same [TS]

  resolution is the 12 point 9 [TS]

  whatever it is iPad pro so you can [TS]

  basically have two iPad minis [TS]

  side-by-side and that's what this [TS]

  10-inch will be and they will get that [TS]

  by shrinking bezels John shrinking [TS]

  bezels and doing all that sorts of magic [TS]

  but it's actually an in-between [TS]

  resolution between the the nine point [TS]

  whatever inch iPad pro then this which [TS]

  is in the middle and the twelve inch [TS]

  iPad pro which is fine it seems like [TS]

  they've kept the the density the same [TS]

  they're just clipping the edge of the [TS]

  screen in a slightly different spot but [TS]

  that seems weird to me like how is that [TS]

  gonna work with size classes this is [TS]

  just a peculiar choice it'll be fine I [TS]

  mean I'm actually kind of glad they did [TS]

  that because I think having the full [TS]

  twelve point nine resolution in that [TS]

  size screen would have made things a [TS]

  little bit small a little bit small [TS]

  touch targets a little bit small text [TS]

  for some people and so I think they [TS]

  probably made the right choice on that [TS]

  but I'm not so very happy to see with [TS]

  this model and with the new twelve nine [TS]

  update which I did not expect to happen [TS]

  that there's now no there's no other [TS]

  like glaring as far as I know yet [TS]

  there's no other like glaring [TS]

  differences between those two sizes like [TS]

  you know last time I was like well the [TS]

  twelve nine had USB 3 and fast charging [TS]

  and the nine seven had the better screen [TS]

  and the true tone and like there were [TS]

  like these these weird differences that [TS]

  they had now they all seem to have the [TS]

  same features just two different sizes [TS]

  of the same features and that's really [TS]

  nice I didn't get to look at the twelve [TS]

  point nine which by the way I'm also [TS]

  glad that they're still doing at 12:09 [TS]

  because now they have a reason to [TS]

  because it is a different res but the [TS]

  ten point five no headphone jack what no [TS]

  in phone Jack that I could find I held [TS]

  it in my hands someone can look on the [TS]

  website now and look it up but I held it [TS]

  in my hands and I wrote it around I did [TS]

  not find a headphone jack maybe I missed [TS]

  it they also moved like the volume [TS]

  control and the power button really [TS]

  close to the corners of the device like [TS]

  they're really up I don't know why they [TS]

  did that to see what the inside of this [TS]

  thing looks like the SIM slot is way [TS]

  down in one of the corners as well but [TS]

  anyway if you're if you're afraid that [TS]

  the 10.5 is going to feel too big if you [TS]

  have a current 9.7 handling it just you [TS]

  know without a case by itself it didn't [TS]

  feel that bad like I think that's the [TS]

  next I guess the size I will buy [TS]

  probably I'm no choice but they're not [TS]

  going to make a nine point seven pro I'm [TS]

  assuming going forward but it is a nice [TS]

  compromise size it is bigger better [TS]

  faster but not it doesn't feel like a [TS]

  lunch tray [TS]

  who knows maybe out maybe I'll miss the [TS]

  9.7 as time goes on and they made the [TS]

  little like I don't that weight wise it [TS]

  felt kind of the same it's really hard [TS]

  to tell but if you're afraid that the [TS]

  ten point five is going to be too huge [TS]

  don't be afraid go to your App Store [TS]

  visit and try it out I think I think it [TS]

  will be extremely popular among the same [TS]

  crowd that bought the 9.7 Pro yeah it's [TS]

  gonna be like this is the new iPad that [TS]

  you should probably get like unless you [TS]

  really want other sizes that you can [TS]

  either get like the old decrepit mini or [TS]

  you can get the massive lunch tray or [TS]

  mini but but if you if you really if you [TS]

  really don't have any like specific need [TS]

  for something super big or super small [TS]

  the new the 10.5 is the one to get o [TS]

  unless you need to be super cheap then [TS]

  you get the chief nine point seven that [TS]

  came out last week or whatever HDR [TS]

  support lots of display related things [TS]

  well yeah 120 Hertz reset or refresh and [TS]

  HDR Zawar which I was really surprised [TS]

  about now HDR support is basically like [TS]

  you can put that label on anything that [TS]

  gets brighter than normal like I don't [TS]

  know if six said like the full range of [TS]

  like double vision HDR is an incredible [TS]

  brightness retina searing brightness [TS]

  this does not reset level but like a lot [TS]

  of HDR monitors for PCs and stuff as [TS]

  long as you go way brighter than normal [TS]

  monitor and you can except HDR input and [TS]

  display it in a nice way you get to call [TS]

  your hell of HDR so I think because it's [TS]

  probably middle the road there but one [TS]

  120 Hertz refresh which is kind of weird [TS]

  because like in the old that the twelve [TS]

  point nine inch the pencil was sampled [TS]

  at 120 Hertz but the screen still [TS]

  refreshed at 60 now they just synched it [TS]

  off it's 120 everywhere and then finally [TS]

  on the refresh rate front they advertise [TS]

  the fact that you can do different [TS]

  refresh breaks for video so if you're [TS]

  watching a 48 you know frames per second [TS]

  or 24 frames per second video the [TS]

  display will refresh at that rate as [TS]

  well which is kind of depressing for me [TS]

  because I want the Apple TV to put out [TS]

  24 frames in so I can watch on my big [TS]

  fancy TV but I won't get the right frame [TS]

  cadence so I guess I'll just watch [TS]

  everything through Plex plex will [TS]

  probably support 24 frames per second [TS]

  cadence before the Apple TV does so I'll [TS]

  just watch everything on my 10.5 inch [TS]

  iPad pro and that will just teach [TS]

  everyone you should be using Plex [TS]

  I actually have I have real-time follow [TS]

  up I am not kidding job it turns out [TS]

  ladies and gentlemen that the ten point [TS]

  five inch does have a headphone jack [TS]

  apparently it is way way way in the [TS]

  corner or so I'm being told so it is [TS]

  supposedly there I could not find it wow [TS]

  that is that is far and the coin isn't [TS]

  on the bottom I don't know but yeah but [TS]

  let's go it's on the top that's why I [TS]

  couldn't find it that's it they always [TS]

  been on top of you I was thinking oh [TS]

  my bad so I'm curious I saw during the [TS]

  keynote when they were talking about the [TS]

  120 Hertz framerate now the new that now [TS]

  but now that the actual display frame it [TS]

  or at least it can be the I noticed a [TS]

  few people who would probably have seen [TS]

  it inside of Apple tweeting about how [TS]

  that is like game-changing and you it's [TS]

  just so amazing to have a 120 Hertz [TS]

  refresh rate when in the hands-on we're [TS]

  able to get an idea of that like how I [TS]

  thought of that how did that see him it [TS]

  did you notice it so I didn't I wasn't [TS]

  using it I was there with Federico and I [TS]

  naturally step back because I don't want [TS]

  to lose an arm but but but I did see [TS]

  Federico scrolling it and I don't know [TS]

  if I would call it like earth-shattering [TS]

  life-changing etc but it definitely [TS]

  would not accomplish Evo effect on a lot [TS]

  of this like it may be new people who [TS]

  are into the video game scene know that [TS]

  the debates about frame rate like a what [TS]

  frame rate can you still see the [TS]

  difference obviously every you know the [TS]

  gamers like I could see 60 and 30s we [TS]

  can all see 60 30 difference once you [TS]

  get up above 60 70 80 90 1 you know [TS]

  can you tell industry 120 in 110 pain [TS]

  tolerance June 16 120 some people say [TS]

  they can but if you double-blind to this [TS]

  I bet a lot of people like 60 is around [TS]

  the limit that most people can't tell [TS]

  any faster not that I'm saying this [TS]

  shouldn't be 120 it totally should [TS]

  because especially since it syncs up [TS]

  with it with the pencil input and it [TS]

  just makes more sense from that [TS]

  perspective but I don't know this is [TS]

  another thing we'll have to research it [TS]

  oh the frame rates over 60 can humans [TS]

  tell the difference or just very special [TS]

  people who have like gold plated audio [TS]

  cables that the oxygen I wonder too like [TS]

  maybe is it the kind of thing where like [TS]

  maybe the framerate you might not be [TS]

  able to tell exactly but maybe because [TS]

  there would just be less latency between [TS]

  when you move your finger and when the [TS]

  screen has it yeah the framed up yeah [TS]

  baby you notice that throughout that [TS]

  number like 20 20 milliseconds that was [TS]

  that post I didn't at this point years [TS]

  ago I thought about yeah but no but [TS]

  about refresh rate like remember that [TS]

  was like a Microsoft Project they were [TS]

  showing a different refresh rates they [TS]

  have [TS]

  calibrate it and say here's 100 [TS]

  millisecond leg looks like and they [TS]

  would crank it down down down to like [TS]

  one millisecond and I think one was the [TS]

  bottom and it was amazingly different [TS]

  than like twenty or fifty or hundred so [TS]

  20 is great but there's still Headroom [TS]

  and yeah if if they're doing a hundred [TS]

  twenty Hertz to get the latency down [TS]

  that is a hundred percent worth it even [TS]

  if nobody can tell the difference in the [TS]

  frame rate because every little bit of [TS]

  latency you will detect and it will feel [TS]

  nicer so the hardware looks great it [TS]

  seems to level the playing field one of [TS]

  you guys had said earlier between the [TS]

  different devices it has the iPhone [TS]

  seven cameras which is great although if [TS]

  you're taking pictures with your iPad [TS]

  you're a big jerk especially the 12-inch [TS]

  even come around on that yet [TS]

  I've now become like you know that's [TS]

  fine you I want to take pictures with [TS]

  your iPad you want a portrait video were [TS]

  you in high sierra earlier anyway so the [TS]

  the capacities have been doubled which [TS]

  is great it's good things all around it [TS]

  looks really awesome and we should talk [TS]

  about the updates in iOS 11 because holy [TS]

  smokes they look great like I just [TS]

  bought a MacBook adorable did I tell you [TS]

  I'm excited [TS]

  I just bought a MacBook adorable because [TS]

  I don't use an iPad anymore but holy [TS]

  crap these things look awesome like this [TS]

  looks super super cool and I don't even [TS]

  know where to begin [TS]

  like the drag-and-drop just seems so [TS]

  well thought-out in so well executed [TS]

  from top to bottom I am genuinely deeply [TS]

  deeply impressed with what they're [TS]

  showing and I hope it works as well as [TS]

  they've been demonstrating so these are [TS]

  all this isn't like pro level features [TS]

  to me which is exactly what we wanted [TS]

  one like the pro level features that [TS]

  that you know people who want to be more [TS]

  productive who are already doing these [TS]

  weird makeshift systems to do the tasks [TS]

  that they can now accomplish much more [TS]

  easily but kind of like drag and drop on [TS]

  the Mac where we take a list for granted [TS]

  I think most people don't do the [TS]

  breath-holding maneuvers you know like [TS]

  any any operation in the UI where you [TS]

  initiate and you have like hold your [TS]

  breath and then you can do other things [TS]

  but you're like holding your holding [TS]

  because if you let go then everything [TS]

  just scatters to the four winds right [TS]

  and so it's like that with drag and drop [TS]

  where if you're if you're experienced [TS]

  you know Mac user and the Mac OS 10 air [TS]

  or you Band select a bunch of files in [TS]

  the finder grab them slam your mouse [TS]

  cursor into the corner to like slide [TS]

  away and like you know or show Mission [TS]

  Control or whatever and hover onto [TS]

  another application and have it move to [TS]

  the [TS]

  fronting move over a window and it pops [TS]

  forward like those type of operations [TS]

  regular people don't do those most of [TS]

  the time like they find another way to [TS]

  do it they do a simple drag from one [TS]

  location but they don't do grab a bunch [TS]

  of stuff and then manipulate manipulate [TS]

  manipulate drop into place because [TS]

  there's so many places things can go [TS]

  wrong and you can accidentally drop it [TS]

  in the wrong place or whatever so these [TS]

  are definitely pro features but almost [TS]

  everything I was trapped by almost [TS]

  everything that they were talking about [TS]

  now look the rest of your UI is [TS]

  responsive and your app gets the events [TS]

  and so on and so forth are things that [TS]

  we've taken for granted on the Mac [TS]

  platform for literally decades yes of [TS]

  course when you're initiating and [TS]

  dragging the drag manager is going of [TS]

  course you can do other things in the US [TS]

  you can alt tab you can go hover over [TS]

  windows and stuff like that and it's [TS]

  kind of like Marco snarkily tweeted it [TS]

  turns out desktop operating systems had [TS]

  a bunch of good ideas after all didn't [TS]

  they yeah it's like this is the future [TS]

  of computing every one thing I've had [TS]

  the future computing well the future [TS]

  computing so far everyone's now [TS]

  celebrating we've got a huge step [TS]

  forward by adding a whole bunch of stuff [TS]

  from the past of computing but they do [TS]

  have I mean the advantage they have now [TS]

  I think and they demoed it again so I [TS]

  was talking about in last show how a [TS]

  sort of a grabber then pop forward stuff [TS]

  is actually better on a big screen you [TS]

  have a second hand whereas you don't [TS]

  have a second mouse that you can grab [TS]

  onto it so now you grab a bunch of [TS]

  things and your second hand can fully [TS]

  manipulate the UI to do whatever you [TS]

  want to do to get to the point where you [TS]

  can drop it so I think it is very [TS]

  impressive and except it's what we were [TS]

  looking for per level features and as [TS]

  Casey said the API I mean this is [TS]

  clearly an API created by a company that [TS]

  has done like three different drag [TS]

  managers over the past several decades [TS]

  like they know what they're doing and [TS]

  building it into all the default classes [TS]

  and especially this most people do use [TS]

  the default classes on iOS instead of [TS]

  rolling their own because the default [TS]

  classes are really good means like they [TS]

  can do that demo like look I can drive [TS]

  this text nip into slack and slack has [TS]

  no idea what the help the drag manager [TS]

  is because they use standard controls it [TS]

  just works it was it was super super [TS]

  impressive and you know we could [TS]

  probably go through every single one of [TS]

  these things line by line but we want to [TS]

  leave here today now the dragon drop [TS]

  looks great I was super impressed by all [TS]

  of it and I'm really excited to try [TS]

  using all this stuff you know I didn't [TS]

  really have time in the hands-on area [TS]

  I'm sure all of you are probably a lot [TS]

  of you anyway are silly enough to run a [TS]

  beta Yvonne what I've had you going to [TS]

  try I have my iPad Mini I was using it [TS]

  all day long thank you very much it's [TS]

  tit can it do a lot of this stuff I [TS]

  honestly don't know but to that end the [TS]

  iOS 11 does support like [TS]

  anyway way back in terms of Hardman [TS]

  which was impressive I'm sure some of [TS]

  the stuff is like pro only or there's [TS]

  limits like maybe you can't do like it [TS]

  probably does have enough RAM to have [TS]

  all the apps on you know I'm sure [TS]

  there's different for a brief second [TS]

  when they said and we're doubling the [TS]

  memory for a brief second I said really [TS]

  they're gonna have eight gigs of RAM oh [TS]

  never seriously so can we get a ruling [TS]

  though again I haven't played with this [TS]

  but it appears as though you can do some [TS]

  sort of like floaty sort of sidebar ii [TS]

  thing in addition to side by side apps [TS]

  are we in windowing at this point like [TS]

  have we crossed that that uncanny valley [TS]

  into windowing or never gonna call it [TS]

  that right but are we there is a CLE a [TS]

  simplified version of window and yeah [TS]

  it's exactly you just can't define this [TS]

  sizes it's a weird limited tiling window [TS]

  manager yeah right which which I think [TS]

  is appropriate for the form factor [TS]

  because people there's no there's no [TS]

  controls on windows there's no way to [TS]

  resize them rearrange them but they're [TS]

  they're are not shying away from there's [TS]

  a rectangle that belongs to another app [TS]

  on top of a rectangle that belongs to a [TS]

  different app and they're you know [TS]

  they're they're embracing that although [TS]

  I'm not quite sure like you mentioned [TS]

  that iOS 11 would be about rounded [TS]

  rectangles floating over things sure [TS]

  enough as a lot of rounded rectangles [TS]

  floating over things in this what [TS]

  benefit do we get I guess they have to [TS]

  show that it is not in split view like [TS]

  they're wasting axles to show you the [TS]

  little border thing around I don't know [TS]

  but I'm sure it will work a lot better [TS]

  than the current system or especially in [TS]

  fact you can go to the multitasking [TS]

  switcher and see all your different I [TS]

  don't know the callings of spaces or [TS]

  whatever that seems like a big [TS]

  improvement over the current terrible [TS]

  multitasking switcher and it's a hard [TS]

  thing to design because iOS apps are [TS]

  designed like there's no window borders [TS]

  in iOS there's no title bars there's no [TS]

  window chrome i OS apps are designed to [TS]

  be fullscreen and so and most of the [TS]

  time in use that's what they are so it [TS]

  to design a feature like this in the OS [TS]

  it's it's actually not trivial to have [TS]

  visual design that makes sense where you [TS]

  where the borders of apps actually look [TS]

  reasonable and are easy to see that they [TS]

  are borders but doesn't look like overly [TS]

  skeuomorphic with big shadows and it's [TS]

  it's it's a hard problem to solve they [TS]

  did it in iOS 9s multitasking they did [TS]

  use like the big border lines they would [TS]

  drag around everything and a days I [TS]

  think they still have a similar one for [TS]

  like the side-by-side but now they have [TS]

  the floatover and they still have [TS]

  picture-in-picture which is a little [TS]

  around [TS]

  things a whole bunch of different [TS]

  options that now that they're it's gonna [TS]

  be a little confusing getting used to [TS]

  all this stuff but the best thing about [TS]

  this like I'm not looking at any of the [TS]

  particular details of this and saying oh [TS]

  that's that's great or that's terrible [TS]

  I'm just glad that they have done [TS]

  something here you know they have all [TS]

  summer to work out the minor kinks and [TS]

  they're going to have the next couple of [TS]

  years hopefully to work out any bigger [TS]

  ones in different updates but the fact [TS]

  that they have finally for iPad people [TS]

  if this is like the biggest final ever [TS]

  like they finally take in the system [TS]

  that they started in a really basic way [TS]

  two years ago and have let basically [TS]

  unchanged since they have finally given [TS]

  it like they flesh it out they've given [TS]

  it more they've indicated not only by [TS]

  you know not only have they add missed [TS]

  features but they now also indicated to [TS]

  iPad pro users that this is this is a [TS]

  kind of thing that we intend to keep [TS]

  moving forward that we're not done that [TS]

  what you got with iOS on isn't it [TS]

  forever like we're going to keep moving [TS]

  this forward and in so many ways they [TS]

  they are making the iPad like a Mac and [TS]

  they're you know they're they're never [TS]

  going to really say that and they're [TS]

  they're doing like you know new edited [TS]

  versions of these features of them with [TS]

  20 years of you know wisdom accumulated [TS]

  and things of that but they're they [TS]

  really are making this more and more Mac [TS]

  like and it seems like for all of iOS [TS]

  users talking about how much they hate [TS]

  using Mac's it seems like what they [TS]

  wanted was the I've had to become more [TS]

  like the Mac okay so we should move on [TS]

  before we go and in so anyway so it does [TS]

  look really great I'm really excited [TS]

  about it there's a bunch of other stuff [TS]

  that we're gonna kind of have to gloss [TS]

  over because I think before we go we [TS]

  should definitely talk about the end of [TS]

  the keynote in music so before we move [TS]

  on are there any other I've had thoughts [TS]

  that we just cannot resist talking about [TS]

  right now okay good [TS]

  quick sing notes and promised thumbs up [TS]

  like notes improvement steel Craig like [TS]

  I'm a big notes user I like notes a lot [TS]

  and as long as it reliably syncs which [TS]

  is about most of the time it is it is [TS]

  wonderful I really enjoy it [TS]

  it's funny that notes has kind of become [TS]

  like the center of Apple sure locking [TS]

  things these days it's like notes I [TS]

  think has the record for like the most [TS]

  app types it has I wonder if s [TS]

  discoverable though like the whole thing [TS]

  you can scan documents [TS]

  one's going to thank the launch notes to [TS]

  do that if you already know it does it [TS]

  it's fine and once you learn maybe but [TS]

  it doesn't seem particularly [TS]

  discoverable because it's not it's not [TS]

  the entry point for yeah it is kind of [TS]

  like a junk drawer of features but if [TS]

  you know they're there it's a really [TS]

  great app and it has a few rough edges [TS]

  but overall it's pretty great so very [TS]

  happy to see that all the handwriting [TS]

  stuff with a pencil like that's that's a [TS]

  lot of major enhancements for both iPad [TS]

  note-taking in general and also just the [TS]

  Notes app itself that's pretty cool that [TS]

  leaves a big thumbs up for me did we [TS]

  ever find out of the pencil can still [TS]

  manipulate the UI all right yes good [TS]

  answer is yes it can well there's a [TS]

  switch I believe it I don't know I don't [TS]

  order it was but there certainly seems [TS]

  to be a switch that lets you either [TS]

  manipulate everything or just drawing [TS]

  weird it's so much feedback oh yeah I [TS]

  know um six week all follow up yeah [TS]

  nobody surprised so just just so you're [TS]

  aware no the iPads look great iOS 11 [TS]

  genuinely genuinely looks awesome I'm [TS]

  really stoked so one last thing not one [TS]

  more thing but one this thing that was a [TS]

  little yeah I think it was respectful I [TS]

  approve it oh okay it's been decided in [TS]

  his been decided all right [TS]

  I'll allow it the best part is one last [TS]

  thing music and the whole crowd goes I [TS]

  don't know why they went up the people [TS]

  who went obviously didn't listen to the [TS]

  last couple episodes of AGB where of [TS]

  course the thing was gonna be about [TS]

  music is just question of what they [TS]

  chose to emphasize I think all the way [TS]

  through the home pod thing people like [TS]

  so this is just music or whatever and at [TS]

  the end they came in with the big slide [TS]

  that said no it's what you think it is [TS]

  though this would be this would be for [TS]

  was even announced like this is like the [TS]

  one more thing and we're all expecting a [TS]

  series speaker and then and they say [TS]

  music well court well how happy never [TS]

  ties the series speaker what are you [TS]

  play on your series speaker podcast I [TS]

  mean that's crazy done merrily done [TS]

  apparently you can because they didn't [TS]

  interfere your app do you know the [TS]

  answer that by the way we were asking [TS]

  that before Marcus why you need to come [TS]

  to the conference with so we can ask you [TS]

  these questions about the home pod can [TS]

  play podcasts can it only played them if [TS]

  you are subscribed to them in the Apple [TS]

  podcast app we don't know at all I don't [TS]

  think anybody knows that yet if that's [TS]

  true so so basic so first of all credit [TS]

  to Apple for as far as I remember not [TS]

  having an awkward music demo this year [TS]

  that's true that's great [TS]

  the times they are a-changin yeah well [TS]

  and also I'm gonna count that thing [TS]

  where they showed the waveforms coming [TS]

  out of the speakers they were supposed [TS]

  to illustrate something to us and always [TS]

  at least no one realized yeah we didn't [TS]

  see Eddy Cue dance we didn't whoever [TS]

  like you know we act like reset all the [TS]

  bets for the shirt button thing like it [TS]

  so overall it nicely omitted from the [TS]

  keynote also I was happy to see in this [TS]

  keynote not a heavy reliance on videos [TS]

  like there were some but I think it was [TS]

  a healthy amount no time no time for [TS]

  videos got to talk fast and they've [TS]

  relied of them a little bit too much in [TS]

  the past that was good to see but one [TS]

  last thing Apple music boba and then [TS]

  okay now Siri speaker and it's called [TS]

  home pod I'm not this listen y'all got [TS]

  on board with MacBook which i think is a [TS]

  worse name than home pod home pod will [TS]

  be fine we will be so used to it in like [TS]

  three months [TS]

  I don't think home pod is bad me I don't [TS]

  know maybe I just don't use to apples [TS]

  bad names for things but this is hi [TS]

  Sierra [TS]

  well see what would you have called it [TS]

  would you call it series speaker that's [TS]

  worse than home pod I don't know I [TS]

  haven't put a lot of thought into it [TS]

  actually maybe I mean there has to be [TS]

  that can't possibly be the best name [TS]

  they could have used I think I think [TS]

  it's okay I think I think it's fine but [TS]

  anyway so they said basically you can [TS]

  have a smart speaker or you can have [TS]

  what was the other thing I was that [TS]

  excellent and that was by the way like [TS]

  shock of to me I think one of the [TS]

  biggest shocks is they actually put a so [TS]

  - and an Amazon echo in the city I erase [TS]

  the word Sonos like sometimes they show [TS]

  a device but erase the branding no no [TS]

  they were ice cold like here's these two [TS]

  products that suck in these ways I was [TS]

  like they were they pulled no punches on [TS]

  that that was that was quite interesting [TS]

  to see yeah and you know and I think [TS]

  that what they were saying was basically [TS]

  the market's opinion of these things [TS]

  because basically as Sonos has great [TS]

  sound but the downsides to it are it's [TS]

  pretty expensive and it doesn't have any [TS]

  kind of voice control and then Amazon [TS]

  echo has crap sound but it's pretty [TS]

  convenient and it has pretty good voice [TS]

  control and doesn't have any multi room [TS]

  stuff like sono stuff and so by them [TS]

  coming in with the home pod and and [TS]

  adding and what they're basically doing [TS]

  is they're basically attacking Sonos [TS]

  head-on with a little bit of Siri or [TS]

  Amazon echo attacking like this is [TS]

  really I think the people at sono should [TS]

  be more upset by this than the people at [TS]

  Amazon because they they're focusing [TS]

  strongly on music for lots of reasons [TS]

  probably right now but they're focusing [TS]

  very strongly on music as far as I can [TS]

  tell I did they say is there going to be [TS]

  any kind of Siri kit integration with it [TS]

  we know that that was another relation [TS]

  where the Siri thing was weird because [TS]

  they so so much emphasis on music which [TS]

  i think is smart to the place to the [TS]

  strengths but so little emphasis on [TS]

  talking to the thing like there was one [TS]

  slide you can talk to it and ask this a [TS]

  bunch of stuff yadda yadda yadda know [TS]

  third it was way better we promise yet [TS]

  wink nope no screen no apps no developer [TS]

  story as far as I could see yeah I was [TS]

  very surprised to see it didn't have a [TS]

  screen like now that we're seeing what's [TS]

  coming out from Amazon and then [TS]

  presumably the next Google air freshener [TS]

  will have one too like there's there's a [TS]

  lot of value I think I mean I haven't [TS]

  tried these things yet with the screen [TS]

  but I think there's a lot of value to [TS]

  having a screen on a device that's like [TS]

  a home assistant thing like if you like [TS]

  if you look at the way you know the the [TS]

  home pod seems to be designed for your [TS]

  living room and in that kind of context [TS]

  I can see a screen being less useful [TS]

  because your obably not gonna be using [TS]

  it as like a timer and stuff but for the [TS]

  kitchen which is where the echo has [TS]

  really shown to be very useful you [TS]

  really a scream would be nice to see [TS]

  things like your timer statuses and the [TS]

  current weather as you're walking by in [TS]

  the morning and stuff like that so to [TS]

  not have that kind of focus and to be [TS]

  coming in at a premium price point [TS]

  coming at 350 dollars that's a pretty [TS]

  pretty healthy price point there they're [TS]

  really attacking Sonos mostly because so [TS]

  no speakers start at about two or three [TS]

  hundred bucks and then they go up you [TS]

  know from there I I don't know how well [TS]

  this is going to sell I think the the [TS]

  tech press is probably going to rake [TS]

  them over the coals for the price [TS]

  compared to your competitors I'm [TS]

  probably going to buy one you're [TS]

  probably gonna make fun of me but I [TS]

  don't know if we're all gonna buy one [TS]

  case I gonna buy one I said why are you [TS]

  so calm being you're right but why are [TS]

  you so confident about this [TS]

  listen I saw that on this grandma you [TS]

  are absolutely like the marketing pitch [TS]

  works on you them pitching and pitching [TS]

  is a music thing you're like well I [TS]

  don't want one of those cylinders do I [TS]

  talk to but this is just an awesome the [TS]

  way to play music and so you're gonna [TS]

  get one but it doesn't have that rich [TS]

  vinyl no nevermind oh wait no it does [TS]

  have that warm that I'm used to you know [TS]

  it does look really good and I probably [TS]

  will buy one to be honest with you no I [TS]

  think it looked awesome I think that I [TS]

  saw one in the hands-on area very [TS]

  briefly we did not hear it but we saw [TS]

  both the black and the white they both [TS]

  look great John made a very funny [TS]

  comment though that there's you know [TS]

  this not insignificant cable coming out [TS]

  of the back of this thing and in the [TS]

  Apple hands-on area there's a hole in [TS]

  the table that it goes through which is [TS]

  super convenient for Apple and so it's [TS]

  not going to be quite so beautiful in [TS]

  into bespoke in it I really think our [TS]

  cable I like the power cable to your Mac [TS]

  like a big like cylindrical thing it's [TS]

  less like just a little you know thing [TS]

  with the wall board or whatever anyway I [TS]

  think it'll be fine it's also a little [TS]

  bit chunkier it is chunkier than me than [TS]

  the Google home like it it looks it [TS]

  looks fat well there's there's no great [TS]

  way to make a tiny speaker sound good so [TS]

  like I don't mind it getting a little [TS]

  bit bigger like the Sonos play:1 they're [TS]

  smaller speaker is chunkier than the [TS]

  echo it's shorter but fatter and I think [TS]

  it's great like this one was play one [TS]

  sounds awesome [TS]

  so if and a lot of Apple's features with [TS]

  measuring the room response and [TS]

  everything else that that's that's a lot [TS]

  of sometimes a playbook for years but [TS]

  it'll know it's probably going to sound [TS]

  great right yeah in it it appears as [TS]

  though it's going to sound phenomenal [TS]

  and I am really anxious to hear one and [TS]

  try one out and I don't know that I [TS]

  necessarily have a place in my home that [TS]

  I am in desperate need of a new speaker [TS]

  but that being said this is appealing [TS]

  enough to me just in principle and I [TS]

  trust Apple 2 of all things understand [TS]

  how to make music sound good [TS]

  that to me I'm like well ok this is an [TS]

  insta boy it's gonna have to happen the [TS]

  same interim price is the iPod high-five [TS]

  to resolve it every 49 it turns out yeah [TS]

  and and honestly like I think it is [TS]

  probably going to be a good product but [TS]

  I do have concerns first of all that is [TS]

  pretty expensive for this market again [TS]

  they're they're really going after Sonos [TS]

  not the echo the echo and [TS]

  we're always going to be cheaper than [TS]

  this and I don't see Apple playing like [TS]

  a race to the bottom price game on this [TS]

  product I see this being a nice profit [TS]

  Center for them and to make high-end [TS]

  stuff only and they by positioning [TS]

  themselves pretty much only against [TS]

  Sonos then they kind of avoid like [TS]

  having to compete in like the super low [TS]

  March and stuff but you know they're [TS]

  going to be better on privacy than [TS]

  Amazon and Google they you know as [TS]

  particular sound quality's gonna be [TS]

  great I think overall many of us are [TS]

  going to have these but it's gonna be [TS]

  market size wise more like the airport [TS]

  extreme than like you know the Apple TV [TS]

  well they kind of like so the marketing [TS]

  push was for music right but if you look [TS]

  at the hardware it's got a whole bunch [TS]

  of microphones in it like it is it is [TS]

  well-equipped hardware wise to do [TS]

  everything that the echo does animate as [TS]

  well I mean it's powered by an iPhone [TS]

  process is not as powerful as a agency [TS]

  like still though so because the [TS]

  hardware is welcome to do that like they [TS]

  didn't emphasize it and we all just [TS]

  assume it will be worse at answering [TS]

  your questions than the echo and the [TS]

  Google things which is that why they're [TS]

  wise not to emphasize it but say many [TS]

  years pass and they get better at that [TS]

  part there's no reason they can't make a [TS]

  cheaper model if they decide to compete [TS]

  on price tone down the speaker's make [TS]

  the one that is focused more on [TS]

  answering your questions and being a [TS]

  voice assistant and less on playing [TS]

  music with high fidelity and then then [TS]

  they're right in that market right it's [TS]

  just a question of like as they listed [TS]

  on that big thing all the things you can [TS]

  do you can set timers have reminders [TS]

  asking questions and just like all the [TS]

  things they said it can do are the [TS]

  things that Google home and Amazon echo [TS]

  do we just all assume that Apple does [TS]

  them worse and them not demoing that at [TS]

  all it doesn't help us get you know like [TS]

  they didn't even try to show off or say [TS]

  like they didn't touch it at all it's [TS]

  you would be forgiven for thinking that [TS]

  this thing doesn't do anything except [TS]

  for play music but it does everything [TS]

  that all the other devices do so I think [TS]

  they have left the door open to come [TS]

  after Google home and Amazon whenever [TS]

  the heck they can get their act together [TS]

  to actually be competitive that and who [TS]

  knows maybe they're already competitive [TS]

  that error we don't know they never even [TS]

  demoed never talked about it was just a [TS]

  word cloud I mean the impression I guess [TS]

  is that this is a this is still in a [TS]

  very early stage of development that [TS]

  like I mean it's not it isn't even [TS]

  coming out until December which raises [TS]

  the question of if the [TS]

  this is a product that has apparently no [TS]

  developer support no thing that anybody [TS]

  can do between now and when it comes out [TS]

  and there's going to be a September [TS]

  event presumably where they announced [TS]

  new iPhone stuff why did they announce [TS]

  this now that's interesting point I [TS]

  didn't think about they should have [TS]

  opened up the hardware saves anything [TS]

  inside there it's just empty shell you [TS]

  can look at the hardware and it had [TS]

  little lights like they do the same [TS]

  thing as a Google home with the colored [TS]

  LEDs on the top showing through with the [TS]

  Siri logo we type thing so it and it [TS]

  looked like good it looked like finished [TS]

  ish hardware yeah but overall let's [TS]

  let's kind of wrap this up impressions [TS]

  of the keynote I thought it was really [TS]

  good I'm a little concerned it's too [TS]

  strong a word but I feel like it it was [TS]

  a lot of catch up or like things that we [TS]

  may be expected to happen a long time [TS]

  ago particularly with like the the iPad [TS]

  productivity enhancements that said it [TS]

  was still a very impressive keynote and [TS]

  we got hardware that I would have told [TS]

  you whereas I think I said to somebody [TS]

  else we're sitting the key no there's no [TS]

  way we're gonna get a whole bunch of [TS]

  hardware today I finally gave Apple a [TS]

  bunch of my money which is really [TS]

  exciting sort of and and so that we got [TS]

  that we got a lot of hardware we got [TS]

  iPads we got Mac's the the playing field [TS]

  has been leveled within each of these [TS]

  lines for the most part you know there's [TS]

  it's a level playing field in the iPad [TS]

  world [TS]

  sorry mini it's a level playing field in [TS]

  the Mac world sorry iPad air and Manny [TS]

  yet and yet I mean it all at all I [TS]

  thought it was pretty good but what did [TS]

  what did the two of you think would [TS]

  start with you John you said it was like [TS]

  a lot of ketchup I would just change the [TS]

  emphasis it was a lot of ketchup like [TS]

  last i show marco was listening all the [TS]

  things that he wanted like they can't do [TS]

  all those things and the emphasis may [TS]

  have been different in the products it [TS]

  but they did almost all those things [TS]

  they should committee revised all the [TS]

  hardware that we thought they could [TS]

  possibly revised all that this is what i [TS]

  thought was great about it i think was a [TS]

  really smart move was the stuff that [TS]

  wasn't ready they announced that anyway [TS]

  cuz what if we you know it's like it's [TS]

  fine it's such a rush to say okay i can [TS]

  order that today but that's going to be [TS]

  december but that's going to be later in [TS]

  the fall it's like you don't care just [TS]

  show me all the cool new things think [TS]

  that was super smart and i came away [TS]

  thinking this was a very impressive [TS]

  keynote where they everything they [TS]

  showed was like met expectations at the [TS]

  very least and [TS]

  I was you know I was excited to see the [TS]

  you know the iMac Pro and stuff like [TS]

  this I don't care when it's shipping and [TS]

  just you know show it to me like some [TS]

  I'm sup what do you think Marco so I [TS]

  think you know Tim Cook opened it by [TS]

  saying this is going to be the biggest [TS]

  and best W of DC ever and I don't think [TS]

  it was I think that was that was setting [TS]

  it a little bit too high I think the one [TS]

  couple years ago when switch was [TS]

  announced was probably the biggest and [TS]

  best abuse he ever there's to date but I [TS]

  do think overall this was pretty packed [TS]

  full of good stuff and a lot of the [TS]

  stuff we you know we're not going to [TS]

  develop an understanding and [TS]

  appreciation of a lot of it until we get [TS]

  to use it for a while or until it [TS]

  launches to the public so you know we [TS]

  all have to actually use the new you [TS]

  know multitasking and productivity and [TS]

  files type things we have to write apps [TS]

  against this stuff we have to wait for [TS]

  the apps that we use to get updated to [TS]

  actually enjoy and use and get to see a [TS]

  lot of the stuff we have to wait for the [TS]

  App Store launch until presumably the [TS]

  fall before we get you know any benefit [TS]

  from that so there's a lot of em we have [TS]

  to wait until quote December but in [TS]

  Apple province that probably means March [TS]

  before you can actually get one so you [TS]

  know we have to wait until next spring [TS]

  presumably before we can actually see [TS]

  the home pod god I still I almost said [TS]

  Series B Goethe it's fine you'll be fine [TS]

  two weeks you'll be fine [TS]

  exactly so like you know we have to wait [TS]

  to see that we have to wait to see the [TS]

  iMac Pro and then later on the Mac Pro [TS]

  so there's a lot of like just wait this [TS]

  is going to be awesome but they've [TS]

  backed it up with enough actual output [TS]

  and you know solid announcements and you [TS]

  know firm commitments to things and [TS]

  actual changes to stuff that overall I [TS]

  think this is pretty cool there are [TS]

  certainly areas that I'm concerned about [TS]

  like the TV and the watch and message is [TS]

  something that like there's areas that [TS]

  are like not as you know have been kind [TS]

  of had slow years and they didn't do [TS]

  everything I wanted them to do in [TS]

  certain things but I like Sirikit but [TS]

  overall I think it's pretty good and I [TS]

  enjoyed the presentation itself as I [TS]

  said earlier like you know the video [TS]

  stuff and the you know the not having [TS]

  Apple music presentation the overall I [TS]

  think pretty good WDC you know it [TS]

  certainly in like the the top half maybe [TS]

  the top quarter if not number one ever [TS]

  yeah I thought it was really well done [TS]

  so at this point I don't know what we're [TS]

  going to [TS]

  because we didn't discuss this in [TS]

  advance because it's the accent one has [TS]

  to do his thing alright thanks a lot to [TS]

  our three sponsors this week Squarespace [TS]

  audible and fracture and we will see you [TS]

  next week [TS]

  gotcha now the show is over [TS]

  they didn't even mean to be here as it [TS]

  was accidental it was accidental [TS]

  John didn't do any research Marco and [TS]

  Casey wouldn't let [TS]

  cuz it was accidental it was accidental [TS]

  but you can find the show notes at 80 [TS]

  feet down and enter Twitter [TS]

  you can fall down MCAS dyo eyah Estevez [TS]

  Casillas MK r 0 a.m. GMT Marco Arment [TS]

  and I are [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  ten [TS]

  Casso [TS]

  well [TS]

  [Applause] [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  I think probably we will probably skip [TS]

  it after show and God knows we're going [TS]

  to do about that was exactly as awkward [TS]

  and awesome as I told me if you had told [TS]

  me back in like 2012 when I'm listening [TS]

  to these two and you told me that not [TS]

  only would I be up on stage with these [TS]

  two but all of you amazing wonderful [TS]

  people would come to see us and sing us [TS]

  our song like what a weird world we live [TS]

  in and I know I speak for the two of [TS]

  these guys that we are so deeply deeply [TS]

  grateful for you guys coming out and it [TS]

  really means a ton to all of us and I [TS]

  hope you enjoy the rest of your week if [TS]

  you're at any of the wonderful [TS]

  conferences including but not limited to [TS]

  all comps so thank you so much to all [TS]

  compher for having us come in can we [TS]

  give them a big round of applause [TS]

  [Applause] [TS]

  as usual with the exception Marco John [TS]

  and I just kind of showed up did our [TS]

  thing and we're going to go sit but not [TS]

  really you guys thank you so much for [TS]

  coming [TS]

  also big nice announcement all con [TS]

  raised a whole bunch of money for app [TS]

  camp for girls over the last couple days [TS]

  [Applause] [TS]

  the concert by james Dempsey and the [TS]

  breakpoints I've seen them it's a really [TS]

  good show highly recommended there's [TS]

  still tickets left and the benefits of [TS]

  that go [TS]

  the proceeds that go to AB camp for [TS]

  girls as you the tickets for this event [TS]

  but they're going to raise way more [TS]

  because they're awesome so please go buy [TS]

  ticket to that if you haven't already [TS]

  they it's tomorrow night right or [TS]

  Wednesday what's Wednesday night [TS]

  Wednesday I highly suggest seen them in [TS]

  person and you cannot pick a better [TS]

  organization to support than AB camp for [TS]

  girls so please go buy those last [TS]

  tickets I want to see that show sold out [TS]

  so thank you everyone for listening [TS]

  anything else before we go I think we're [TS]

  good I gotta pick titles all right so so [TS]

  a deeply embarrassing turn of events I [TS]

  looked earlier about halfway through the [TS]

  show and I think the show boat was down [TS]

  I was wondering if you were even running [TS]

  the show but I well I usually never [TS]

  touch it in everything just magically [TS]

  works just like apples stuff everybody [TS]

  know fill our promise like when we [TS]

  remember record like we were way worse [TS]

  than this yeah we talked all sorts of [TS]

  crazy things and it's lots of diversions [TS]

  and mark and puts it back together this [TS]

  is pretty coherent yeah that we did all [TS]

  right but I apologize we're not giving [TS]

  you the full experience but this well [TS]

  the real reason is that like I'm pretty [TS]

  hungry and so I don't want to have to [TS]

  add the locks at night yeah so here's [TS]

  the thing we didn't have a show bot but [TS]

  I have five title options that I will [TS]

  regroup and then when I am done you can [TS]

  perhaps we will go through again and you [TS]

  can cheer for the one you like most on a [TS]

  democracy no I tried all into the [TS]

  cornfield was option one that's pretty [TS]

  good I can't even read my own damn ham [TS]

  but I was gonna say you can read that [TS]

  what the hell does out of something is [TS]

  of controls on the Good Grips of control [TS]

  so good rip there we go I put it [TS]

  together Oxford good grips of control to [TS]

  trademark Akane that's second one [TS]

  find a third one a conversation with [TS]

  Siri number four practically a point [TS]

  release and number five compromise sighs [TS]

  I think often to the corn gotta be [TS]

  cornfields right no I've clubbed that [TS]

  that's a bits of reference to Twilight [TS]

  Zone episode I don't know enough about [TS]

  to get the right quota on a flub for [TS]

  that this is what we see if you don't [TS]

  listen why this is that this is what [TS]

  happens is every freakin time [TS]

  was it was the other okay I'm so good [TS]

  grips of control conversation it's eerie [TS]

  conversation with Siri is the winner [TS]

  that's not bad all right all right do [TS]

  you all kind of people you guys want to [TS]

  say anything else before we kind of shut [TS]

  this all down and go do our thing cool [TS]

  awesome thanks everybody for this yeah [TS]

  thank you so much would you Justin [TS]

  [Applause] [TS]